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Before we get into the deep stuff, let's just talk,
let's give some basics.
Remember, when you're answering these questions,
I'm not in the shot
and they're never gonna hear my voice.
Oh, boy. OK.
The first word that I would use to describe Jeffrey Epstein
other than a predator is 'mysterious'.
How did he become so wealthy?
How did he ingratiate himself into the exact right social circles?
How did he get away without being caught for so long?
I never could have anticipated
how diabolical Jeffrey Epstein was.
There's something deeply fucked up with you.
At least something.
We know there are things deeply fucked up
you will get through in this film, right?
Where I come from you don't kill my brother
and walk away from that.
What are the Epstein files?
The Epstein files are all the information that the government has
regarding Jeffrey Epstein and his co-conspirators.
Photographic evidence, interviews of victims.
Emails written to him,
text messages.
Court documents, FBI reports.
And it is much more expansive than you had ever even imagined.
People want to see names.
They want to know who the sex traffickers are.
They want to know who the paedophiles are
and they want vengeance.
Do you know the names of powerful people
who have not yet been named publicly?
Yes.
Congressman Khanna! Hello, I'm Grace Tobin...
Nice to see you. ...from Australia.
Why do you think it's a fight that has united
a very divided political spectrum here?
You can't rape underage girls.
You can't cover that up.
Trump opened up Pandora's box.
He thought that he could crack it open slightly and shut it.
But the curse is not going back into the box.
I don't understand why the President fought it so hard.
Releasing the Epstein files is about revealing
all of that dirty, nasty, horrible things that happened.
Why would he cover this up?
I think he's protecting rich and powerful men
who participated in sex trafficking.
3 million pages,
180,000 images.
The latest dump from the Epstein files
after weeks of political pressure.
That moment created global shock waves.
A day of extreme jeopardy for Sir Keir Starmer.
Norway's Crown Princess is facing intense scrutiny.
Extraordinary news out of the UK.
The former Prince Andrew has been arrested.
The Epstein files are part of the Epstein story.
You have to understand how the Epstein files fit in
to what Epstein was doing,
and the failures of the US government in doing their job.
The Epstein story has one man at its centre,
one spider in the centre of the web.
But that web could not have been constructed
without complicity.
Do you think you're the devil himself?
No. But I do have a good mirror.
We are going to turn now to the debate in Washington
over the release of the Jeffrey Epstein files.
Today, a group of survivors of the Epstein controversy
will be here on Capitol Hill.
Urgent new calls for transparency from Epstein survivors,
24 of whom are now re-upping their demand
that Congress release all of the Epstein files.
It's an honour to stand here
for something America is finally united on -
the immediate release of the entire Epstein files.
There's approximately 1,200 women that were victims of Jeffrey Epstein
and they say other men.
They've wanted justice and they fought very hard for it.
We are more than victims.
We are mothers, daughters, sisters, friends.
And we will not be erased.
Some of these women have been at this 20 years.
Some of them had, I believe, almost given up.
But the fact that they were invited to the capital of the United States
to speak truth to power,
and that every media outlet,
you know, showed up, they're renewed in their efforts.
This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein in 1991.
This is me when I met Jeffrey Epstein.
A lot of us, it was the first time that we had spoken publicly.
My name is Dani Bensky. This was me at 17 years old.
So we were just kind of standing in solidarity with each other
and saying to the world,
like, "There's more of us than you thought."
My name is Marina Lacerda. I was minor victim one.
My name is Gena-Lisa Jones and I was only 14 years old.
My name is Chauntae Davis.
My name is Laura Bloom McGee.
My name is Haley Robson. My name is Anoushka De Georgiou.
My name is Courtney Wild. My name is Lisa Phillips.
My name is Ashley Rubright
and I am a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell.
When you're a survivor of abuse from a serial predator,
you just have this bond with the other survivors.
We understand each other like nobody else can.
It's been a tremendous mountain to move to get here.
It took an incredible outcry from the public,
huge political will,
and it took the blood, sweat and tears of the survivors.
And that's many, many tears from the survivors to get here.
So we're just heading in to meet with Ashley Rubright,
who is a survivor of Jeffrey Epstein.
And she's only just started speaking out publicly
about what happened to her.
We're this house here.
Hi, Ashley. How are you? Good. How are you?
It's nice to meet you. So nice to meet you. Come in.
Thank you so much for having us. Of course.
Oh, it's still very Christmassy in here, isn't it?
Yes.
When did you meet Jeffrey Epstein?
So it was about 2002 to 2003
and I would have been... about 15.
I was going to Summit Christian School.
I was a cheerleader.
I was in dance, like jazz, hip-hop, ballet.
Um, I was working at a barbecue restaurant
and one of my coworkers,
he asked me one day in the restaurant
if I would like to give a man a massage for $200.
I thought about it for a second and said, "Sure."
I just remember pulling into his house in Palm Beach.
And we were led into the kitchen.
And then Sarah Kellen came in, his assistant.
Said it was time.
Then Sarah, she's the one that led me upstairs.
I didn't look around. I was just looking down.
So all I remember was the pink carpet on the spiral staircase.
And she opened the door and said, "Alright, I'll be back in an hour."
I was shocked when I walked into the bathroom.
But then I calmed myself down, thinking,
"Of course, he's naked because that's how people get massages
"and I should just not be so shocked."
He just kind of laid on the table.
And then he told me how to massage him.
Then he flipped over.
And...
That's... Things got...
...really way more inappropriate there.
And he asked me to...
...to take off my bra and...
...to pull up my skirt
and...
He was touching himself the whole time.
I was just trying not to look.
And he would grab me,
grab my behind and...
I was just trying to not be there, you know,
at that time.
And...
...he finished and hopped up.
And...
...then Sarah came in and led me back downstairs.
I felt shocked.
And then I remember...
...trying to rationalise it.
It had to have just been like a fluke, a one time...
...thing that he just couldn't control.
I did go back one more time.
The second time, it escalated.
I just remembered Jeffrey bringing over a basket
and asking me to pick one and asking me if I knew how to use it.
And...
...he had me sit on the bathroom floor
and he sat on the edge of the massage table.
And I remember what happened.
A basket of sex toys? Yes.
Thank you for saying that. Yeah. That's OK.
So this was 2000.
And these are all just, like, happy messages.
I read some of my yearbooks
and it was such a drastic change.
Right after Jeffrey,
the messages, even my face.
Everything had started to just look darker.
This one says, "We had fun when you're not so mad."
or, "You're sweet when you're not mad." Yeah.
I was angry, and I...
...I didn't care who got the brunt of it, at all.
Yeah.
I stopped cheerleading, I stopped dance.
And I kind of went from, like...
...trying to do good to just not caring.
Did you tell anyone what happened to you?
Just my friend Sean
but nobody else.
I didn't think there was a story to tell, really, you know?
Mr Epstein, is it true you were born January 20th, 1953?
Yes.
Where? New York.
Where in New York. Brooklyn.
Hey, Adam. Hi, Grace.
How are you? Pleasure to meet you.
Nice to meet you too. Thanks so much for doing this with us.
My pleasure, my pleasure.
Adam, can you tell me a bit about yourself?
Well, I've been a legal journalist for close to two decades now,
and the Southern District of New York was my long-time beat.
So you see a lot of cases
of national and international significance going into that court.
And one of them just happened to be Epstein's.
We are in Coney Island.
Coney Island, Brooklyn.
We're right near where Jeffrey Epstein grew up.
And this is actually the Sea Gate community
in the distance right there,
Jeffrey Epstein's childhood home.
Jeffrey Epstein had a modest upbringing
in an immigrant community in Brooklyn.
His father worked at the New York City Parks Department.
His mother worked at a school.
And he had a younger brother, Mark.
He had a lifelong fascination with math
and by all accounts, was pretty good at it.
This is The Dalton Prep School.
It is where he got his first job.
Even though he was a college dropout,
his first job was at a very prestigious school
where he was a math teacher.
One of the parents of a student
introduced him to the CEO of Bear Stearns,
a man named Ace Greenberg,
where he got his first job on Wall Street.
We are on Wall Street,
where Jeffrey Epstein made his fortune.
He was, by all accounts, very charming.
Jeffrey Epstein tried to, throughout his life,
make connections with people with money and power.
He was able to get people to trust him very quickly.
He won the trust of billionaires like Leslie Wexner,
who gave him power of attorney.
He won the trust of Leon Black,
who paid him hundreds of millions of dollars,
far above the market rate.
And from there, uh, there is a lot of mystery,
but we're getting a picture more and more
of him finagling people,
uh, wheeling and dealing,
and ultimately became fabulously wealthy.
This is Jeffrey Epstein's Upper East Side townhouse mansion
and the famous, uh, lantern over the door.
He had a massage room in there.
He had the dining room, where he entertained.
I mean, the photos really do tell the story.
Jeffrey Epstein met Ghislaine Maxwell in the early 1990s.
As the daughter of a media tycoon, with a British accent,
she brought something that Jeffrey Epstein didn't have -
access to the elite.
Have you got drinks?
They socialised with politicians
with big names in academia, finance, you name it.
Whether it was the man known at the time as Prince Andrew.
Or whether it was former president Bill Clinton.
He had his private island in the US Virgin Islands,
a ranch outside of Santa Fe,
property in Palm Beach
and in Paris.
He was flaunting his jet-setting lifestyle and his massive wealth.
Look at me like you love me.
I can't wait.
OK, so now I'm walking towards
the lily pond.
I'm here on the beach by myself.
This is my swimming pool - my beach.
No-one's allowed to dock here.
The luncheon place.
The nursery.
At the point there is the library.
It's an honour to stand here again
for something America is finally united on.
The immediate release of the entire Epstein files.
So these are just my modelling pictures.
Mm-hm. Like, when I started out.
This is when I was 17.
I would send these to modelling agencies to get started.
I was a fashion model in New York,
had worked my way up since I was 15 or 16 years old.
So this was from the actual week I met Jeffrey.
Ah.
The year 2000 and I had booked, like, a really big job.
Our agent at the time, Jeff, sent us to Tortola
on the Caribbean Sea.
Tortola was a small island.
There was really not that much to do there.
So the other model was like, "You know, we have a free day tomorrow."
She suggested we go see her friend, you know, Jeffrey Epstein,
that owned an island nearby.
Yeah, we were both, like maybe 22 years old.
Spent the day just, like, playing in the pool, in the ocean.
And there I met two other young blonde girls.
Went to dinner that evening, and I met Jeffrey Epstein.
He was laser focused on me
and asking so many questions about my childhood
and my dreams and aspirations.
I had told him in that time that we had shared on the island
that I wanted to be a Ford model,
and I kind of built up this trust with this man.
Getting ready to go to sleep, there just was a knock at the door,
and one of the other young girls poked her head in and was like,
"Jeffrey's ready for his massage now."
And I'm just like, "OK, well, you go ahead, I'm going to bed."
And she was just like, "No, he said for you to give the massage."
Long story short, like, I just had to go.
And so I experienced, you know, sexual abuse that evening, um,
from Jeffrey and the other girl that was there.
I think when you're younger, you always blame yourself.
Like, "What did I do? Was I flirting with this guy?"
Like, I went home and I wanted nothing to do with him after that.
And a few months had passed and he called me.
A lot of my modelling castings would be here in Soho.
Right up here, when I was walking, right up here
was where I got the call from Jeffrey.
He was very brief and to the point that he had remembered,
you know, my goals and ambitions that I told him on the island -
that I wanted to be a Ford model, big dream of mine,
and that he knew the owner of the Ford Modelling Agency
and for me to go over there and meet with her.
And I was just thinking,
whatever happened to me on the island wasn't good,
but maybe he was trying to make up for it,
you know, by saying, "I remember your goal,
"well, I can help you out."
During that time,
were you ever abused by Epstein again
or any men in his orbit?
So, yeah, I was abused by him again.
And through his connections
where he would sent me on auditions and things.
But back then, I wasn't aware that I was trafficked.
Can you explain a bit more about how the trafficking operation worked?
Well, auditions are castings by Epstein.
So it's like, "Oh, let me just send you.
"My friend is casting a really big film right now."
And you're sent somewhere
where all of a sudden you're propositioned for sex
and the people around you are enforcing it.
Just thought it was the business.
Just thought I was going to a casting and audition, working,
and that's kind of how some of the older men were, just creepy.
And I never connected it to a more nefarious ring
that involved modelling agencies and Epstein.
There were hundreds of girls from these Eastern European countries
sent to Paris, sent to New York.
You know, they were doing quite abusive things to these models.
It was like a well-oiled machine.
Fast forward a few years later,
I had a girlfriend who was also involved in this Epstein world.
She had came to me one evening and said that
Jeffrey had made her go into a room,
made to go have sex with somebody
and so she at that time was scared.
I became scared, and we kind of...
...both kind of moved out of New York at that time
and I never saw him again after that 'cause I was scared.
Jeffrey Epstein's trail of sexual abuse happened globally.
However, Palm Beach was the centre, in many ways, of the sexual abuse
and where his crimes were originally investigated.
Hey there. We're just driving around Palm Beach.
Is there any way to get through or no?
No, not... Is this closed?
Yeah. OK. Alright. Just wanted to check.
Why is it closed?
Because Trump's in town.
So I'm Holly Baltz.
I'm a retired investigations editor from the Palm Beach Post.
Just newly retired.
We, as in the Post, covered Epstein from the very beginning.
I never could have anticipated how big this case got to be.
Palm Beach Police first started investigating Jeffrey Epstein
when the stepmother of a ninth grader
at Royal Palm Beach High School reported
that a wealthy man had molested her daughter in March of 2005.
This is the east/west route
that goes past Royal Palm Beach High School.
You know, it wasn't just the one girl.
Police found that a number of victims were recruited here.
They started interviewing more girls,
and every time they did, it was like peeling back an onion.
Not only were the girls getting sexually abused themselves,
but he also offered to pay them if they'd bring their friends.
Um, and these were girls who didn't have a lot of money.
During Jeffrey Epstein's first criminal investigation,
many of the survivors started finding lawyers
who were willing to bring their stories forward and file lawsuits.
I first got involved in the Epstein matter back in about 2006.
I was working at a litigation firm here in Palm Beach County
and a young girl walked into our office with her parents
and told a crazy story about a rich man on Palm Beach Island
that had paid her about $200
to go to the home and give him a massage
that turned into a sexually explicit and inappropriate massage.
Initially, I didn't quite believe her,
to be perfectly honest, it sounded pretty incredible.
But once I interviewed the police detective
that was conducting the investigation,
I realised that this was real.
Michael Reiter was the chief of police back at the time.
And Joe Recarey was the lead investigator.
Correct?
OK. You were like the houseman?
What can you tell me about that?
So he can massage in the morning, massage in the afternoon.
And besides that...
OK.
And actually...
As police officers gathered the evidence,
Epstein put together a huge team of...
It was like a dream team.
All really well-known attorneys
and attorneys who, uh, were very aggressive.
It is widely reported that Jeffrey Epstein and his legal team
had some of the victims followed by blacked-out SUVs,
uh, you know, showed... showing up at their houses.
But they were also investigating the lead investigator, Joe.
And I asked to meet him.
So he picked a Starbucks in downtown West Palm Beach.
And when I sat down and I started talking to him,
his head was on a swivel and he kept looking around.
And I said, "What are you... what are you doing?"
And I'll never forget, he looks at me and he says,
"You have no idea what they're doing to me."
They had been digging through his personal trash,
and he said to me,
"I've never seen this kind of an operation before."
But Palm Beach Police, they were very dogged in pursuing Epstein.
We're police officers of Palm Beach County, Florida.
They kept amassing victims.
The premises occupied or under the control of Jeffrey Epstein.
White male. Date of birth 1/20/53.
When the first criminal investigation of Jeffrey Epstein
was going on,
it had originally seemed like something that could sustain
an indictment with dozens of counts,
that Palm Beach Police were building a very strong case.
But when the entire case was packaged up
and given to the state attorney...
...the state attorney here in Palm Beach at the time
decided not to file charges.
Chief of Police Michael Reiter was so upset at the lack of prosecution
on the state level
that he elevated this to the federal level.
The FBI was keen to prosecute in the beginning, for sure.
And they found very much similar things as Palm Beach Police,
but new victims.
And what came of that was a draft indictment, 60 counts.
However, this giant case that Palm Beach Police
spent so much time investigating
pleaded down to a slap-on-the-wrist plea deal
after intense lobbying by Jeffrey Epstein's lawyers.
The charges that they ended up bringing
were solicitation for prostitution of a minor.
It's basically calling these victims prostitutes.
The deal was approved by then US attorney Alex Acosta
and then kept secret from the victims.
And I think that the sweetheart plea deal
was, in many ways, the original sin of this.
It was one of the most awful deals I've ever seen.
There isn't a plea deal before or since that I've ever seen like this.
It gave complete immunity to not just Epstein,
but it included and not limited to
potential co-conspirators Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross,
Lesley Groff, and Nadia Marcinkova.
And so these are some of the women who helped recruit other girls?
Yeah, in the sexual pyramid scheme,
these were the people that were really at the third level,
right below Ghislaine Maxwell.
Jeffrey Epstein went to jail just before 10:00 this morning.
He pleaded guilty in open court.
He agreed to serve a total of 18 months
in a Palm Beach detention facility.
People who commit sex crimes against minors
go to prison for a very long time.
Not Jeffrey Epstein.
He was sentenced to 18 months in jail.
He could get work release for 12 hours a day, six days a week.
He wound up being in a cushy jail
where he was the only person in that wing.
He could go out, go to his office, take a walk on the beach,
do whatever he wanted during the day.
That's no kind of punishment.
We had been litigating against Epstein
on behalf of one of my clients.
He was being allowed out during days.
So we noticed Epstein for deposition.
Could you please give us your name? Jeffrey Epstein.
So I wanted him to realise I didn't care who he was,
what his power was, what his status was,
I was gonna ask him the most embarrassing possible thing I could.
Is it true, sir, that, um...
...you have what's been described as an egg-shaped penis?
He hears me ask the question, watch him look at his lawyers,
like, "Can you believe he's asking me this?"
And I'm going to give you the first warning, Mr Kuvin.
I had been the first lawyer to ask him any questions
in the cases that had been filed.
One witness described your penis as oval-shaped,
thin and small towards the head portion.
See, he's angry. He's ready to walk out the door.
And then he sees that the attorneys are gonna talk.
That serves no other purpose other than embarrass Mr Epstein.
It's just totally unethical. It's improper.
The purpose of that question is
how could a 14-year-old know what his private part looked like?
That question was directly relevant to the claims in the case.
The deposition is terminated at this point.
OK. Thanks a lot. I appreciate it. Thank you.
Shortest deposition I've ever taken.
Ever. Ever.
Wow. So he probably is feeling pretty confident at this point
that he's gotten away with this. Pretty much. Yeah.
I mean, he had done his deal,
and now he was just getting through the civil cases,
thinking that it was all over and all done.
A few steps, a smile and a wave to the deputy at the door.
We watched Jeffrey Epstein walk out of jail.
Epstein served 13 months of an 18-month sentence.
He's very happy that his jail sentence is over
and he can begin a new chapter in his life.
When Jeffrey Epstein got out of jail,
the fact that he was prosecuted,
the fact that he was a registered sex offender
didn't seem to stand in the way
of his re-entry into high society, wealth and power.
The power and influence he had convinced a lot of people
to look the other way.
Prince Andrew looked the other way.
We also saw Bill Gates meeting with Epstein, despite his past.
He was some sort of soothsayer, apparently,
to a lot of these men that were asking him for advice.
I think that a lot of people probably knew
that everything was not on the up and up,
but for whatever reason, they wanted to be a part of his inner circle.
I had a reporter who was covering Epstein every step of the way.
It was difficult to get people to pay attention.
They felt like he had served his time and there you go.
Epstein's conviction wasn't even a speed bump.
I've been researching and writing about child trafficking
since 2002, 2003,
and I had this intuition that Jeffrey Epstein
was very similar to the network that I'd investigated,
and I just felt that something was seriously wrong.
So in 2012, I went down to Florida
and I had the good fortune of getting the black book.
The black book is just a list of Jeffrey Epstein's contacts.
It has billionaires,
some people in showbiz,
captains of industry.
Um, and multiple girls were in the black book.
I started talking to some of the girls,
and they told me that they'd been flown here or flown there
and then one told me that she'd been flown to an island.
So in 2012,
I believed Jeffrey Epstein was running a network.
And I also had the flight logs.
So were these the flight logs just for his private plane, then?
Yes.
Bill Clinton, Alan Dershowitz,
Kevin Spacey, Larry Summers.
I mean, there were a number of very powerful people
that were flying with Jeffrey Epstein.
And there were a number of girls on the flight logs,
and I assumed that some of them were minors.
I worked on getting that story published for three years,
and finally Gawker stepped up and published my work.
The mainstream media just didn't want to embrace it.
After that point, we would get glimpses of information.
Virginia Giuffre, one of the Epstein survivors from Palm Beach,
had moved to Australia after escaping Jeffrey Epstein.
She claimed that she was trafficked to then-Prince Andrew
when she was a minor.
She was 17 at the time.
Can you tell me about the photo that she provided
to a newspaper in 2011?
Virginia Giuffre had produced a now infamous photograph
of her, then-Prince Andrew
and Ghislaine Maxwell.
Andrew claimed that it was a fake
and denied criminal wrongdoing.
Thing about Virginia is
she'd been with Epstein for a couple of years
and he had taken her everyplace.
So she was pretty knowledgeable about his network
and she was launching civil suits,
and she named Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell as perpetrators
who trafficked her
to his rich and powerful cronies.
But she wasn't being taken seriously by the media.
Jeffrey Epstein very aggressively bullied media organisations
that tried to look under that rock.
Things remained kind of dormant for a number of years,
until another story came out of the Miami Herald
and a reporter that went back and looked at some of the deals
that were struck with Jeffrey Epstein.
Julie Brown, her reporting really opened up the case.
One second.
Oh, you're calling Julie?
Good morning. How are you? I'm wonderful.
I have a very pleasant Australian reporter here in my office
uh, that would like to chat with you
if you could give her time.
Hang on. OK.
Hi, Julie.
I've been contacted by a lot of people...
Yeah, I can imagine. ..hard to keep it straight but...
Yeah.
Yeah, give me a call. But this week is not a good week.
So we can talk about it later. OK. Yeah, sure.
Hey, Julie. I'm so glad we could make this happen.
Yes.
Persistence pays off, right? Yep. It's OK.
Especially since you were willing to come all the way to Philadelphia.
I thought, "Oh, my God. This girl's never gonna give up.
"I might as well just get it over with."
Tell me how you came to investigate Jeffrey Epstein.
Well, I started investigating it right before the election in 2016.
Most journalists in America knew, you know,
something about the Jeffrey Epstein case,
especially Epstein's sweetheart deal.
Very lenient plea deal.
And there was a lot of stories about,
"How did he get this deal? This doesn't make any sense."
But nothing that I could find really showed me
how he got away with this crime.
And so I just started requesting the records,
not knowing where it was going to lead me.
Somehow, I got a list of almost a hundred victims.
In the end, I had like four victims that were willing to go and talk.
And in the middle when I was doing that,
Trump nominated Alexander Acosta to be Labor secretary.
I want to thank President Trump for the privilege of serving.
Acosta was the US Attorney in Miami
that signed off on Epstein's sweetheart deal.
I, Alexander Acosta, do solemnly swear...
So then I pitched a story that we would go to the victims
and ask them, you know, what they think about the man
that let their predator off the hook,
who is now, by the way, in charge
of one of the largest government agencies in the country
with oversight of human trafficking.
It was a high pressure story
because it involved a lot of important people.
It was going to be put online very early in the morning,
so we sort of braced ourselves, I guess you could say.
And at the time that morning, there was a funny story
that was at the top of our leaderboard.
My story was at the very bottom.
And so I packed everything up. I thought, "That's it for the day.
"You know, I'm going to take the day off."
And I was getting all ready and another reporter said to me,
"Julie, look at this story."
And it was going boom, boom, boom.
We are going to begin with a much closer look
at the disturbing case of Jeffrey Epstein.
Joining me this morning is Julie Brown of the Miami Herald.
Investigative reporter behind the Miami Herald expose...
Julie Brown, let me ask you, set the scene for us.
This story uncovered this underbelly of society,
of the rich and powerful
and what they were doing to people who were less powerful.
The Miami Herald series
drops in November 2018.
It had such an impact that by July of the following year,
Jeffrey Epstein is arrested and charged with sex trafficking.
Billionaire Jeffrey Epstein has been arrested
for alleged sex trafficking of young girls,
and agents have been coming in and out of his Manhattan mansion
all morning.
Epstein is charged in a two-count indictment.
First - conspiracy to commit sex trafficking
and second, sex trafficking of underage girls,
beginning in at least 2002 and continuing until 2005
at his mansion in New York and in Palm Beach, Florida.
I'm not going into any dealings with main justice,
I will say that we were assisted
from some excellent investigative journalism.
I just got a call from the news desk saying,
"We just got something over the wire
"that said that Epstein's been arrested."
I was like, oh, you know, it was incredible.
I was just... I couldn't believe it.
Hi, Mark. It's Grace Tobin.
Thanks so much for taking the time to talk to me today.
Sure.
When your brother was arrested,
can you tell me what that was like, that moment?
Jeffrey gets arrested, you know, we spoke the night before.
He called me from Paris.
Just a normal, you know, "What's new? How you doing?" call.
And then he flies home the next day and he gets arrested.
I wanted to be at his first court appearance the next day.
He looked like such a small man.
You know, small, frail, you know, human being.
Um, just looked lost, quite frankly.
I don't think he ever thought he was going to be rearrested.
Now, yesterday, we were there in court.
His attorneys are arguing that Epstein struck a deal
with federal prosecutors in Florida over similar crimes,
granting him immunity after he pleaded guilty
to a lesser charge.
The US attorney who struck that deal is Alexander Acosta.
At that point, the media started in Washington asking Trump,
"What's going to happen with Alexander Acosta?"
Good afternoon.
And I remember that Acosta did have a press conference.
We believe that we proceeded appropriately.
There was value to getting a guilty plea and having him registered.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
And I just remember listening to him,
thinking, "These are all excuses.
"They don't work anymore."
And apparently it didn't work
because he then, um, you know, resigned.
And so I called the President this morning.
I told him that I thought the right thing was to step aside.
Finally, it seemed like the government
was actually taking this seriously
by charging Epstein with serious crimes,
sex trafficking.
And after that, other victims started to realise, "I'm not alone."
When he was arrested, a lot of us were happy
that there was a second chance for possibly some actual justice,
because what happened in 2008 wasn't justice
or him being held accountable.
And at that point,
I reached out to the FBI and I was like, uh...
..."Here's another one of us," you know?
Um, "And I-I want to be a part of bringing him down."
Jeffrey Epstein was staying at
the rather notorious prison
where people await trial on serious offences
in the Southern District of New York.
The Metropolitan Correctional Centre in Manhattan
is an environment completely foreign to Jeffrey Epstein.
The conditions were filthy.
Rodents, cockroaches all over the place.
I agreed to represent him
and I met with him.
But just before that, there was this incident
in which there was a suggestion
that he tried to commit suicide.
The multi-millionaire and convicted sex offender
is now on suicide watch after he was found injured in his jail cell.
I met with Jeffrey Epstein on August 1st
for about five or six hours.
He denied that he had tried to commit suicide.
The story that he told about what had happened
was that the cellmate he had
forced him to put a rope around his neck,
something, and pulled it, um,
just to see the reaction Epstein would have.
But he told the correctional officers
that he couldn't remember what had happened
because he was afraid if he got that guy in trouble,
that he would have trouble himself.
How was Jeffrey Epstein's mood that day when you look back?
Good. I mean, he, again, he didn't like being in the jail.
Um, but he was adamant about wanting to fight the case,
and he was energised by our meeting.
I think he thought he had a strong legal argument,
for example, on the agreement that he had made
that he felt would have barred his prosecution.
But nine days later,
the last thing I would have imagined at the time happened.
NBC News has learned
that disgraced financier Jeffrey Epstein is dead.
Sources telling ABC News
that accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein has died by suicide.
It appeared that he had hung himself
We're trying to figure out if he was still on suicide watch.
It was astonishing.
This is someone who is being prosecuted for historic crimes.
The world's attention is on this.
How is this man allowed to turn up dead?
And then the next thing I know, I hear on the news
that Jeffrey was found dead from an apparent suicide.
And at first, I had... I had no reason to doubt it,
because, you know, he was in jail
and was facing a long time in jail, potentially.
And I knew he wouldn't want to live that way in jail.
So, I had no reason to doubt it
and I accepted that he committed suicide.
Anyway, the next day, I had to come back to New York
to identify his body.
As a family member, I had the right
to have my own pathologist at the autopsy.
You know, just to see everything was done right.
I spoke to his brother, I insisted that the person I consider to be
the top forensic pathologist in the world
participate in an independent autopsy.
So, his name is Michael Baden.
I was medical examiner for the New York State Police for 25 years
and did more than 20,000 autopsies.
In this instance, I was asked to attend the autopsy
that was going to be done the next day.
The history was that he was found having committed suicide
by hanging in his jail cell.
When looking at the body, there was
a little odd situation there because the ligature furrow
around the neck was horizontal.
In a suicidal hanging,
the ligature mark is usually
up the high part of the neck and goes upwards.
And then the moment of surprise,
there were three fractures -
two of the thyroid cartilage,
which is the Adam's apple,
and one of the hyoid bone.
In 50 years of doing this, I've never seen that.
That's much more common,
a crushing injury, in a homicidal strangulation.
So, I think, at that point,
there was concern as to whether it was suicide as thought or not.
So, the medical examiner of New York City, who conducted it,
she said that it was inconclusive -
she couldn't say it was suicide.
But then her boss, three or four days later,
changed it to suicide.
And then, OK, now all kinds of questions start coming up
and wheels start turning.
Barbara Sampson, the chief medical examiner -
and she was not at the autopsy -
and so she comes up with the conclusion of suicide based on what?
Tonight, Jeffrey Epstein's attorneys questioning
whether his death was a suicide, saying they will even
pursue, quote:
And it turned out somehow, magically,
the cameras malfunctioned that day
or was in a place where the camera didn't reach.
So, this is now a correctional officer taking an inmate down.
This is supposed to be Jeffrey Epstein now.
You're talking about August 9th, at almost 8:00 in the evening.
August 10th is when he was dead.
Do you think it's suspicious
that there's only this one camera angle available?
That that's the only image?
If that's accurate, yes, I do, I think it's suspicious.
And, um, you might say coincidental that the cameras are malfunctioning,
you know, around that time, but pretty unbelievable.
There were so many anomalies that night.
His cellmate had been taken out,
the guards were sleeping,
the cameras were down.
All of these mysterious things fuelled a lot of conspiracy theories.
There's just no way you can hang yourself
off of a bunk bed at that height.
I think we have found Jeffrey Epstein's killer.
And it's the most secure federal lockup in the United States,
and he got murdered in it.
Who has the power to do that?
I've been studying conspiracy theories for 15 years.
When I polled Americans asking them what they thought about his death,
half the country thought it was a conspiracy,
that he was killed by people
who were trying to cover up their involvement with him.
And you don't normally get,
uh, conspiracy theories getting half the country to buy in.
Yeah, I don't believe any conspiracy theory,
but the fact that he wanted to fight this case,
uh, until the day before he died,
um, says to me that it's unlikely he committed suicide.
I believe he was murdered.
And if they do a real investigation and they talk to the right people,
they could figure out what actually took place.
Do you believe that Epstein committed suicide?
No. No, I just don't believe it.
Um... no.
He had only been there for a month.
I just think it was too soon for him to throw in the towel.
From the Jeffrey Epstein that I knew,
no, I don't think he killed himself, I just don't.
And I believe he always thought he was going to get out of it.
He knew that he wasn't going to get the slap on the wrist this time.
Uh, very damaging documents in the case came out,
two days before, he changed his will.
A lot of people think he might have been killed,
others think he killed himself.
I really think he decided to take his life.
That was the last bit of control that he had.
When I heard about that,
I just... I was heartbroken for these girls.
A federal judge has officially dismissed
the criminal case against Jeffrey Epstein.
They have never gotten justice,
and, you know, they didn't deserve this.
I was going through my own feelings in 2019 when he died.
Uh, he was kind of a mentor to me,
but he was also my abuser.
Um, so, it was a very confusing time for me,
and I wanted to know answers about my life.
So I reached out at that time to other survivors
and called Virginia.
I had my first conversation with her.
There's just something that she had in her
that I looked up to
and I really thought was very brave.
We are here in Loxahatchee Groves,
which is a rural part of Palm Beach County,
in which Virginia Roberts Giuffre grew up.
Not terribly affluent.
I was recruited at a very young age
from Mar-a-Lago and entrapped in a world that I didn't understand,
and I've been fighting that very world to this day.
And I won't stop fighting. I will never be silenced.
And here we have Mar-a-Lago, President Trump's, uh, private club.
Virginia Giuffre was a spa attendant at Mar-a-Lago,
and Ghislaine Maxwell used to go there for massages.
Ghislaine Maxwell asked her if she wanted to learn to be a masseuse
and to come to Epstein's house,
and that was where she suffered the first abuse.
Do you know Virginia Roberts?
So, she's... Say again, who?
Virginia Roberts.
Can you spell it?
Common spelling. Can you spell it for me, please?
R-O-B-E-R-T-S.
And, just for the record, I can only spell it the way that it was spelled
in your flight logs from your airplane.
Virginia Roberts Giuffre was instrumental
in this story coming forward.
She is the reason, to a very large extent,
that Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell
were even prosecuted,
because of the trail, of the public record
that she left in her civil lawsuits.
Virginia Giuffre was not only key in exposing Jeffrey Epstein,
you know, she named names of other people,
such as Prince Andrew.
Abuse allegations that have been plaguing the Prince
for years now laid bare on prime-time TV.
Virginia Roberts Giuffre alleges Prince Andrew
first sexually abused her at Ms Maxwell's London home.
Ghislaine woke me up in the morning and said,
"You're gonna meet a prince today."
I didn't know at that point
that I was going to be trafficked to that prince.
And Ghislaine said, "He's coming back to the house,
"and I want you to do for him what you do for Epstein."
One of Epstein's accusers, Virginia Roberts...
Yeah. ..has made allegations against you.
It's been six years now... Yeah.
...since that famous, infamous interview with Prince Andrew.
Did you ever think that you would still be talking about it now?
In a way, I wish the whole conversation had started earlier.
You know, we knew when we did it that it had to be a document,
a public record, in case it was ever useful.
He was in the room when I arrived.
He looked ready for it.
He looked like a man who had waited a long time
to kind of get it off his chest, frankly.
There is no good time to talk about Mr Epstein.
My sense is that he thought he was his own best weapon
in terms of killing the story dead.
She says she met you in 2001,
and she went on to have sex with you
in a house in Belgravia belonging to Ghislaine Maxwell.
Didn't happen.
Do you remember her?
No.
He tried to tell me that it was a fake photo.
We can't be certain as to whether or not that's my hand on-on-on her,
uh, whatever it is, left... left side.
He'd worked out his, um, alibi.
I'd taken Beatrice to a PizzaExpress in Woking.
His team had thought it had gone pretty well.
Britain's Prince Andrew is facing backlash
after a widely criticised television interview.
One UK paper calling the Prince entitled and obtuse.
Four days after Newsnight broadcast
its interview with Prince Andrew, he's made this announcement.
"I have asked Her Majesty if I may step back from
"public duties for the foreseeable future,
"and she has given her permission."
The interview that he gave the BBC,
that was beyond disingenuous.
He started his slow decline
to ultimately being stripped of his princehood.
And I think that that was the beginning of the end.
It's... it's an eye for an eye, a scar for a scar.
No matter how much I go through therapy,
I'm embedded with scars that will never leave me, ever.
Virginia Giuffre was also instrumental to
the downfall of the other person in that photograph - Ghislaine Maxwell.
In 2022, Ghislaine Maxwell was sentenced to 20 years in prison
for sex trafficking and other crimes.
But there was a growing public outrage
that she was the only person to face consequences in the Epstein scandal.
People were asking, "What about the men?"
No-one had brought charges,
and this was across Republican and Democratic administrations.
When and how did concerns about Epstein's crimes
start spilling over into the territory of the public
really wanting to see the files?
Donald Trump really was the one who prompted that.
Then he got to be embroiled in it himself.
Donald Trump's name
is all over these files.
Flight logs show Trump travelled on Epstein's
private jet many more times than prosecutors were aware.
Have you ever had a personal relationship with Donald Trump?
What do you mean by "personal relationship", sir?
Have you socialised with him? Yes, sir.
Yes? Yes, sir.
Have you ever socialised with Donald Trump
in the presence of females under the age of 18?
Though I'd like to answer that question, at least today,
I'm going to have to assert my
Fifth, Sixth and Fourteenth Amendment rights, sir.
It's indisputable that Trump had
a long-term friendship with Epstein.
He told the world about it.
Do you still think Jeffrey Epstein is a terrific guy?
Well, I knew him, like everybody in Palm Beach knew him.
I mean, people in Palm Beach knew him.
He was a fixture in Palm Beach.
There was the infamous interview
where he called Epstein a great guy,
likes women "on the younger side".
Jeffrey Epstein's 50th birthday book in 2003
has a drawing of a nude female figure
with Trump's name on it.
He denies that it's his signature,
we have multiple handwriting experts
saying that it is.
I don't do drawings.
I'm not a drawing person.
The fact that he had such a long,
personal friendship with Epstein
raises questions about
what he knew about Epstein's behaviour.
I had a falling out with him a long time ago.
I don't think I've spoken to him for 15 years. I wasn't a fan.
When do you think it was that the Epstein files
actually started becoming a big problem for President Trump?
I think it became a problem soon after he assumed office again.
We are going to drain the swamp,
and we're going to do it once and for all.
Prior to his re-election, he had been asked point-blank,
would you support releasing the files?
Would you declassify the Epstein files?
Yeah. Yeah, I would.
And many of the people around him, they said yes.
Seriously, we need to release the Epstein list.
That is an important thing.
How is it that my father can be convicted of 34 crimes,
but no-one on Epstein's list has even been brought to light.
So, this was a campaign promise
that they had made to their supporters.
Ghislaine. Look into her father, Robert Maxwell.
All the answers are right there. Yeah. Because he was a spy.
Trump built a coalition of followers
who are very conspiratorial in their world views
and were already Epstein conspiracy theorists.
You don't know that she's 16, and she takes you in a room
and that room is filled with cameras, that's...
Blackmail. Yeah.
So, there were fantasies about massive sex-trafficking rings,
views about blackmail rings,
and that Epstein was controlling
all sorts of rich and powerful people.
I believe very strongly he was a spy, yes.
And who do you think he was working for?
The Israelis.
Trump cosied up to QAnon, and it created a lore around him
that he was bringing down these evil, powerful people,
'cause the establishment was entirely corrupt
and he was the outsider who was going to come in
and drain the swamp.
So, early in Trump's second term,
he appoints Pam Bondi as Attorney-General,
and she runs with the Epstein story almost immediately.
This is something Donald Trump has talked about.
The DOJ may be releasing the list of Jeffrey Epstein's clients?
In February of 2025,
Bondi goes out and says
that she has the Epstein files and the client list on her desk.
It's sitting on my desk right now, to review.
That's been a directive by President Trump.
Then there's a 180-degree reversal.
There's the release of the July memo
from the FBI and the Department of Justice.
And the July memo says an extraordinary thing.
It says that there are more than
a thousand survivors of Jeffrey Epstein's abuse,
and then says there's nothing to investigate,
there's nothing to release,
turn the other way.
There was, quote, "No client list
"or evidence that he blackmailed prominent figures,"
according to a memo detailing the findings.
The review also concluded that Epstein died by suicide
while in custody at a Manhattan correctional facility.
That memo just sent shock waves throughout the American ether,
especially with the MAGA base who was so invested.
All those videos are saying, "Yeah, she's seen the videos,
"it's all coming out."
And then now it doesn't exist. I mean, what? What?!
Joe, wanna check the tweet that Elon just put out?
"Time to drop the really big bomb.
"Donald Trump is in the Epstein files.
"That's the real reason they have not been made public."
The Jeffrey Epstein case has caused backlash
within President Trump's base,
fuelling conspiracy theories that more details exist
but are being hidden from the public.
I'm not gonna play with these anymore.
MAGA hats are off.
Burn, baby, burn.
And this is a great representation of what's left of MAGA.
I think the President always felt like he could control his MAGA base,
but it's the influencers
who have also really kept this story alive
and have been very critical of him.
We voted for Trump because we wanted justice,
and justice involves actually holding accountable
the people who committed that wrongdoing.
It just continued and continued,
and the President himself kept calling it a hoax.
Well, I haven't been overly interested in it.
You know, it's something...
It's a hoax that's been built up way beyond proportion.
I know it's a hoax. It's started by Democrats.
When you call something a hoax,
and yet people know that there's a tremendous amount of evidence
out there that it's not a hoax,
it makes them only want to know more about it.
The President writing on social media:
Some stupid Republicans
and foolish Republicans fall into the net.
I call it the Epstein hoax.
Hello? Hi. Come on in. Hi.
Marjorie. Yes, hello.
Hi, I'm Grace Tobin. Nice to meet you.
Nice to meet you, too. Grab a seat under this big ball light.
Yeah, that's quite a light. I know, isn't it?
Oh, my gosh. Yeah.
Do you think that these supporters are losing heart and losing trust
in President Trump now because of the Epstein files?
Many of them, yes.
It was a line in the sand for them.
They couldn't understand it the same way I couldn't understand it.
Why would he cover this up?
And that was, um...
That was something that none of us ever expected from President Trump.
I'm Rick Frazier, and I presently live in St Marys, Ohio.
Mmm. It's good.
Mm. Strong? Good coffee.
I'm a front-row Joe, and I'd show up five, six days ahead of time
to one of his rallies.
It's very quick, but it's brutal.
I still worked hard to help Trump, you know, get elected.
But, to be honest with you, it pisses me off that -
if I can use that language -
that on one hand,
we were promised by the President that this is gonna happen.
Then, on the other hand,
he turns around and it didn't happen.
I can't see why he... who he's protecting.
I honestly, in my mind, don't think he's involved.
You can be in pictures with anyone,
but until we got transparency, how do we know?
There is new pressure on the Trump Administration
from Republicans looking into the Jeffrey Epstein case.
Donald Trump is aimed at one of his own,
Republican congressman Thomas Massie.
This moron Thomas Massie,
there's something wrong with him.
When did you first start becoming concerned
about what's now known as the Epstein files?
So, it started a couple years ago for me,
and it really came to the forefront
when President Trump and people in his Cabinet
promised that they were going to release these files.
But none of them followed through on their promise,
which became suspicious to me.
My Democrat colleague Ro Khanna, from California,
cares about the victims,
and so I reached out to him and said,
"Ro, um, if I do a discharge petition,
"do you think you could get every single Democrat to sign it?"
And he did deliver on that promise.
Democrat Ro Khanna and Republican Thomas Massie
are leading a bipartisan push in the House
for the release of the Epstein files.
People feel that the rich and the powerful
have been not held accountable,
that they have a different set of rules,
and that there may be government officials involved.
Thomas Massie just filed a discharge petition
to force this vote on releasing the files.
That's something that Speaker Mike Johnson
has really been trying to avoid.
The White House has warned Republicans
not to side with Massie.
Even a White House official telling reporters last night
that this would be viewed as an act of hostility.
Well, I have a 98% voting record with the President,
was one of his most loyal defenders.
Marjorie Taylor Greene, please come up. Come.
MTG! MTG!
Thank you, Mr President.
Alright, Georgia, we know what we're going to do in 2024.
He was angry at me for siding with Thomas Massie
and signing on the discharge petition.
To me, it was a matter of right and wrong
and standing up for these women.
The greatest president in United States history,
Donald J. Trump, right, Georgia?
Marjorie Taylor Greene,
she's the female version of Donald Trump.
She was full-blood MAGA.
So, for her to be one of the people to stand up against him
is very significant in American politics.
He was losing control of the situation.
When you sign that discharge petition,
afterwards you took a phone call with President Trump.
He said that it was going to hurt people that he knew.
What people?
I don't know. I still don't know that to this day.
But the way he treated me and the names that he called me,
sent death threats upon me and then my children.
This is my fifth year in Congress
and this is the largest press conference
that I've seen since I've been here.
As people like Marjorie Taylor Greene
started getting involved, the snowball started rolling.
This is not about politics,
this is a boiling point in American history.
We see some very effective advocacy
on behalf of the victims themselves.
Why did he get away with it in 2008?
Why was Jeffrey Epstein so protected?
Why was Maxwell the only one held accountable
when so many others played a role?
Let the public know the truth.
I speak today not only in service of my own recovery,
but to honour the lives, the courage and sacrifices
of Virginia Giuffre
and others who could not continue.
Victims of the convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein
have paid tribute to Virginia Giuffre
at a rally in Washington, DC.
She took her own life in April this year.
It made me very sad when she passed.
This sort of damage, you can stuff it down for years and years,
but the effects will always catch up.
Virginia said it best, and I quote,
"They say time can heal, but this won't.
"Not until the justice system makes an example out of these people
"with so-called privileges.
"I just call it money."
People believe her now.
I mean, she won...
...in a sad way.
So we gather here on the steps of the Capitol
to confront these corrupt forces.
We know we have 212 Democrats and we have four Republicans,
courageous Republicans.
The only supporters that I got from my discharge petition
on the Republican side of the aisle were all women.
Marjorie Taylor Greene,
Lauren Boebert and Nancy Mace.
They were woken up at 5am in the morning with the President saying,
"F this, F that.
"Get your effing name off of this thing."
But, to their credit, all three of those women stayed strong.
There was a time when few believed
that they would actually be able to get the passage of these files.
And it was only after it became very clear
that Trump was going to lose on this vote,
then finally he claimed to support it.
We've done a great job, and I hate to see that,
uh, deflect from the great job we've done.
So I'm all for it.
What eventually happened was a nearly unanimous vote.
The yeas are 427, the nays are one.
The bill is passed,
and without objection, the motion to reconsider is laid on the table.
Mr Speaker, today is an extraordinary day in this chamber.
This is about the powerless
taking power away from the very powerful.
When Trump backflipped on it,
the survivors won.
The Senate has passed the bill under unanimous consent!
The bill forces the Justice Department
to release Epstein file documents within 30 days.
Once the Epstein Files Transparency Act became law,
there was a deadline - December 19th -
for the release of everything.
Deputy Attorney-General Todd Blanche says, however,
several hundred thousand pages of records will be made public,
with more to come in the coming weeks.
Hundreds of thousands...
I could sit at home
and just stay on the couch and not be involved,
but being here is historic.
We got a few hours till we find out.
But we're talking about a tonnage of information
that may take some time just to process.
The Justice Department has now begun
the release of the Epstein files.
The first release was a blip on the radar, not even that.
There was a picture of Bill Clinton.
There was very little about Donald Trump.
It was widely regarded to have few major revelations.
At least 550 pages were fully redacted.
We have just a fraction right now
of what is believed to exist.
It failed, in our book.
We haven't received full transparency,
and it's an incomplete release of the files.
That must be his... his prison cell.
I'm pretty disappointed since we were told transparency,
and we're not really seeing it.
And if that's the best they're gonna do,
I don't think we're ever gonna get to the truth.
This was a slap in the face of survivors.
They're flouting the spirit and the letter of the law.
People kept trying to push for the release of the files,
and six weeks later, all of a sudden,
3.5 million documents hit the public.
3 million pages of documents,
180,000 images and 2,000 videos.
The latest release of files related to
the paedophile Jeffrey Epstein is shocking
in its size and its content.
Of the 180,000 images released,
these pictures of the King's brother
seem to be what everyone is talking about.
Police are assessing claims Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor
shared confidential reports with Jeffrey Epstein.
All of a sudden, there are global investigations in Europe.
Active investigations are now under way
in at least 10 countries.
Poland has launched a probe into the Epstein files
in a search of any potential victims from that country.
In Europe, the former prime minister of Norway
has been charged with gross corruption.
Poland's prime minister also says his country
would investigate possible links between
the convicted sex offender
and Russian intelligence services.
The people who maintained a friendship with Epstein,
communications that they thought were private
are now filling the pages of newspapers internationally.
My gosh, was this embarrassing?
Can we start with Peter Attia?
Good Lord, another very prominent person
caught up in all this is Bill Gates, of course.
Claims that he picked up
a sexually transmitted disease from a Russian woman.
He's denied that publicly.
We have this footage where Steve Bannon
is interviewing Epstein to try to rehabilitate Epstein's image.
At the same time, people are making sense
of the 3.5 million files,
there's Congress, who is continuing to investigate this
and continuing to call witnesses,
including the Attorney-General.
Alright, getting back to our breaking news,
Attorney-General Pam Bondi is set to testify
before the House Judiciary Committee at any moment now.
Survivors say their identities were exposed
because of inadequate redaction.
Well, right now, we're heading over to the Capitol.
I have a meeting with Congressman Lou Correa.
After that, we'll be heading over to Pam Bondi's hearing.
We have Congress working on our side,
and, you know, they want answers just as much as we do.
Hi. Nice to meet you. Hi.
Hi. Lisa. Nice to meet you. Pleasure meeting you.
Come on in. We have a camera guy following us.
Oh, my, I should have put my tie on.
I wanna take a moment to acknowledge
the Epstein survivors who are here today.
I am deeply sorry for what any victim,
any victim has been through.
Attorney-General Bondi, will you turn to them now and apologise
for what your Department of Justice has put them through
with the absolutely unacceptable release of
the Epstein files and their information.
I was pretty shocked that she just didn't even turn her head,
just not even just a little bit just to acknowledge.
It doesn't even have to be an apology,
but to acknowledge that we were there
and that we represent 1,200 survivors.
To my right is an email
that was sent by the victims' lawyers to the DOJ.
It was a list of names not to release.
They released this email!
Literally the worst thing you could do to the survivors, you did.
And we know you touched the document
because you redacted the lawyer's name,
but you left the survivor's name there.
So, I really have just one question for you.
How many of Epstein's co-conspirators have you indicted?
How many perpetrators are you even investigating?
First, you showed a...
I find it... How many have you indicted?
Excuse me, I'm gonna answer the question.
Answer my question.
No, I'm gonna answer the question
the way I want to answer the question.
No, you can answer the question... Your theatrics are ridiculous.
...the way I asked it.
I really got to see, like, in the flesh, in person,
like, wow...
...they really are turning a blind eye to this for whatever reason.
And it only makes you think that there's got to be a real reason why,
right?
Madam Attorney-General, will you meet with survivors after this?
You're a disgrace to the legal profession and to women.
What a shame you are! Shameful person!
Are you looking at the reaction
in Europe and the UK and other parts of the world
and scratching your head with what's going on here?
Yes. And I see a different attitude overseas.
The untouchables are touchable now.
Breaking news about Andrew Mountbatten-Windsor.
The BBC understands that he has been arrested on suspicion
of misconduct in public office.
It comes weeks after the Justice Department
released emails Andrew allegedly sent to
the late sex offender Jeffrey Epstein, in 2010.
I think for several years
we'd always imagined that it could come to this place
and he was arrested,
and I still found myself absolutely speechless
for the first couple of hours.
Andrew was serving as a UK trade envoy at the time,
and appears to have forwarded Epstein
British government documents on trade policy.
But this wasn't the story that we were following at all,
this was something completely different.
Now Peter Mandelson, who was the UK ambassador to the US,
has also now been arrested.
And, you know, it's fascinating to see how far this chain will go.
We are probably only at the very beginning.
Over two dozen people have resigned -
CEOs, members of government worldwide -
but I haven't seen any arrests or investigations
here in the United States from this Department of Justice.
As an American journalist looking at everything happening in Europe,
this is how sophisticated democracies react
to alarming information -
they investigate.
I have nothing to hide. I've been exonerated.
I have nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein.
What we're seeing in the United States is
Trump's Justice Department trying to say
that there is nothing to see here.
Is there evidence that Jeffrey Epstein
was trafficking girls to other powerful men?
According to the Associated Press's review of the files,
the FBI says no.
In regards to the sex trafficking and the abuse,
do you personally know of evidence
that exists within the Department of Justice,
within the FBI, that has not come out yet?
I do. I do.
You know, when you have different girls
telling the same stories, corroborating each other...
...that's powerful, really powerful.
So, and again,
I think we have to believe victims and survivors of this sort of thing.
I know of people that girls were traded out to
that have not come out.
I tend to believe that
this story is going to outlive me
because it's filled with so many mysteries,
things people don't know.
We don't know the depth of the cover-up yet,
but I think this will eventually rank up there with, uh, Watergate.
Hopefully the American public's
going to continue to care about this story
and continue to demand that we get all of the answers.
We're done laying down and being quiet.
Now we're screaming in public.
It's a serious question. Oh, sorry.
Do you think you're the devil himself?
I don't know. Why would you say that?
Because you have all the attributes. You're incredibly smart.
You remember, the devil... Is the devil smart?
The devil's brilliant.
Jeffrey Epstein was the true epitome of evil.
Very polished, wealthy, well-spoken, very intelligent man.
And he used all of that for evil.
We do not do this story justice
if we think it starts and ends with Epstein.
Of course it doesn't.
There is so much further to go.
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