[Robert] A 16-year-old girl is missing,
and Bigfoot might be to blame.
The fact that Bigfoot is a suspect
in a missing person's case,
blows my mind.
[woman] She's just happy, simple.
If someone wanted to manipulate her, they probably could.
Very trusting?
-[woman] Very trusting. -Okay.
[Robert] There is no answer
to really what happened to Theresa that day.
[man] If you guys are going to go deeper into this,
it's gonna get weird.
What were your thoughts when you heard that Theresa went missing?
That son of a bitch killed her.
[Jessica] Who was the real Skip?
[woman] I know my dad didn't hurt her at all.
I know he was only trying to help her,
and it just went bad, somehow.
Theresa Bier is one of the possible victims
of the Speed Freak Killers.
[Jessica] Wait. What?
[Robert] Why is Theresa's name
on this Speed Freak Killers' list?
That's what we have to find out.
[theme music playing]
[eerie music playing]
Theresa's name shows up as a person
that might have been a victim of the Speed Freak Killers.
At this point in the investigation,
looking at Theresa Bier's disappearance,
it's really hard to know what to believe.
That's why it's important we sit down with Rob Dick.
He's the private investigator that has put Theresa's name
on a list of potential victims of the Speed Freak Killers.
And I wanna know why.
Have you ever talked with these guys about the Theresa Bier case?
Yeah, I actually have a recording of Shermantine, one of the two.
Can we listen? Can we hear it?
Yeah, I can play.
[Robert] We've gone down so many avenues
looking for some kind of justice for Theresa Bier.
So many different twists and turns,
it's taken us everywhere.
But the Speed Freak Killers is the biggest curveball that we did not expect.
It is mind blowing.
And Rob Dick agreed to provide a recording.
When he spoke to Shermantine, he recorded an interview with him.
[Shermantine laughing]
I mean, that's somethin'.
-[Robert] Yeah. -Yeah.
[Robert] That's interesting. That's really interesting.
It's, kind of, surreal when you hear...
-hear the voice of a... murder suspect or murderer. -Uh, yeah.
It just, kind of, shakes you to your core a little bit.
Yeah.
Considering how many people Shermantine has killed,
it was legitimately unnerving to hear his voice over the phone.
He turned it around and pointed the finger back at Skip.
But how can you believe a serial killer?
[eerie music playing]
[Robert] Rob Dick playing that recording,
it sent chills down my spine.
But you learned, basically, where they operated.
It seemed like it stretched from Northern California
-down to LA and out to Utah. - [Jessica] Yeah.
[Robert] That was big. I never knew that.
-The time... -[Robert] Mmm-hmm.
-...the place... -[Robert] Right.
...it all lines up.
This could be a real possibility
that the Speed Freak Killers were involved.
[suspenseful music playing]
[Jessica] I gotta tell ya,
all of these deep conversations and talking to serial killers,
I am in need of a beer...
-[Robert] That sounds good. -...badly.
[Robert] It's just heavy.
I mean, it's just... It weighs on me
-just like you. -[Jessica] Yeah.
[suspenseful music continues playing]
[Jessica] All right, here we go.
[indistinct]
-There you go. -Thank you, ma'am.
Very good. Thank you. You wanna play some pool?
[Robert] Yeah. Let's do it.
So where do you think we're at right now?
Well, I figured... Speed Freak Killers could also be a possibility.
They were active around that time and...
potentially in this area.
[Robert] It is a possibility.
You know what? She might have ran off...
-I'm not... I'm-- -...right out to the road,
and these guys were on these back roads.
I think it's a real, real, real slim chance
that she ran into them.
I'm still leaning towards Skip.
[Robert] I feel the same way.
-I still fall back to Skip as the main suspect. -Yeah.
[Robert] It would have been a hell of a coincidence
if Speed Freak Killers were down here in this area
when Theresa was up there in the mountains.
You can never rule out anything,
but as an investigator,
I always go back to the person she was last seen with,
and that is Skip.
[sighing] Okay.
[Robert] Going over the police report here.
Check this out. It says right here,
"At 0900 hours, I received a phone call from James Welch,
which is the nephew of Skip."
He stated that he told Skip
that he knew that the girl was dead.
[sinister music playing]
[Robert] To this, Skip responded back,
"You're [bleep] things up."
More and more I look at this investigation and I read through the report,
I mean, I'm seeing some wild statements
from James Welch.
You know what?
-Give him a ring. -[Robert] I'm gonna go outside and give him a call.
[cell phone ringing]
[Robert] I am really interested in talking to James Welch,
because it seemed like he really knew what was going on with Skip.
He said some pretty compelling things in the police report
when he was interviewed.
He knew something about Skip
and I really wanna know what he knew.
[cell phone ringing]
[James speaking]
[Robert] Hello, James.
[James speaking]
Hi, this is Robert Collier.
I'm, uh...
with Jessica Chobot here.
We're reinvestigating the Theresa Bier case.
[James speaking]
Robert Collier, uh, reinvestigating the Theresa Bier case.
[James speaking]
[Robert] We're just .opening this case, and we're taking a look at it.
Looking into all the leads.
I was wondering if we can speak to you about that
and meet with you and sit down and talk about it.
-[James speaking] -Yeah?
[James speaking]
Well, of course it is. But I think you can really, uh...
you know, help us out here.
I think it's very important that we hear your side of the story.
[James speaking]
[line disconnects]
[indistinct chatter]
-[Robert] Jess. -[Jessica] Hey. Hey.
Yeah, I got a hold of him,
and he doesn't want anything to do with this.
But I'm not giving up on James Welch.
I think he's very important to this case.
Yeah.
[Robert] We tried to call James Welch once,
and that was a no-go.
And now, I'm just gonna keep on trying him
until he wants to talk.
Before we go, I wanna tell you I was looking at videos
that people covered about the case,
and I found this YouTube video.
So this is Devon Welch.
She is the great niece of Skip.
A couple of years ago,
my dad decides to go ahead and lay out all the dirty laundry
of our family's past.
And one of them was that I am related to Russell "Skip" Welch.
He is my great uncle on my father's side.
So she's under the impression that Theresa got killed, somehow.
He freaks out,
drives to his mom's house immediately afterward,
and then hides out there.
Devon's video was eye opening and insightful.
I mean, she is definitely somebody
that I wanna talk to right away.
So why don't we head out
-and then I'll give her a call while we're on the road? -Yeah, sounds good.
-All right. -Let's do it.
Devon seems like a really important witness
because she's part of the family,
and so she has maybe family stories
and things that she can share with us.
She's also young enough and far-removed enough
that she's able to look at it from a very distinctive, unique point of view.
Her emotions aren't mixed up, necessarily,
in what happened.
[suspenseful music playing]
All right. I'm gonna give Devon a call.
-[Robert] Okay. -[cell phone ringing]
[cell phone ringing]
-[Jessica] Hi. Is this Devon? -[Devon speaking]
Hi, Devon. My name is Jessica Chobot.
I'm with Robert Collier.
We're reinvestigating the Theresa Bier case,
and we wanted to ask you some questions about the family, actually.
[Devon speaking]
[Jessica] Awesome. You know what?
Just pull over. Pull over and park,
-and that way I can just sit. -[Robert] Okay.
[Jessica] Perfect, Um, I saw your video on YouTube
talking about how you were related to Skip,
and I just wanted to know
what got you involved in doing the researching of this particular case.
[Devon speaking]
Mmm-hmm.
[Devon speaking]
[Jessica] So knowing that, what were some of the highlights
that you thought were important in regards to the case?
[Devon] Uh...
[eerie music playing]
[Devon speaking]
Got it. Okay.
[Devon speaking]
-Oh, my God. -That's huge.
[Robert] That's incredible.
That's huge.
Is it your theory that...
there's the potential that Theresa's buried in that yard somewhere?
[Devon speaking]
-[Jessica] Oh, my God. -Wow.
[eerie music playing]
[Jessica] Is it your theory that...
there's the potential that Theresa's buried in that backyard somewhere?
[Devon speaking]
-[Robert] I know, right? -[mouthing] Oh, my God.
-That's huge -That's incredible.
[Jessica] That's huge.
What Devon told me shocked me to my core.
Theresa's body has never been found.
Could Skip have taken Theresa's body
and buried her at his mom's house?
Do you happen to know in your research then,
did the police ever search that yard or that house?
[Devon speaking]
[Jessica] That's the first time
that we've ever heard anything about that yard.
I mean, that could, potentially, solve the case
if we could find a body.
Devon, thank you
because we have truly not heard
-one person mention this at all. -[Robert] Yeah.
You are the absolute first person.
And the fact that they haven't found her body,
and that's, kind of, the only thing
-that kept Skip from going to prison for this. -[Robert] Yeah.
[Devon speaking]
[Jessica] This is incredibly helpful.
-[Robert] Incredibly. -Thank you so much for sharing that information.
We're gonna see if we can go out to the house
and search it one way or the other...
-Yeah. -...and possibly find Theresa
and any other additional clues.
We'll let you know.
-Thank you, Devon. -[Devon speaking]
-[Jessica] Thanks. Bye-bye. -[Robert] Take care.
Oh, my God. Are you serious?
She might be buried there.
She might be.
[Jessica] This is a nearly 40-year-old mystery at this point,
and we have had the odds against us from the start.
Suspects have died,
clues have dried up, trail's gone cold.
Sometimes, you just need a stroke of luck,
and I think we just got it.
Okay. Here it is. Here we go.
There's the house.
It just looks like a nice,
-normal, suburban house. -[Robert] Normal, suburban house, yeah.
-[Jessica] Yeah. -[Robert] You know what?
We get a dog out there, search the whole damn property.
Yeah. No, I agree.
Okay. So here's the thing, though.
I want a cadaver dog, canine search out there at his mom's old home,
you know, and get that done,
just to check that off the list.
-If there is a body on that property... -[Jessica] Mmm-hmm.
...this could be closure for our case,
but it reopens the investigation
for that law enforcement agency.
Yeah, it does.
-All right. -Whoo!
All right, let's do this.
[Robert] This is a huge lead.
I mean, if Theresa is buried there at his mother's house,
I mean, this could blow the case wide open.
[suspenseful music playing]
[eerie music playing]
[cell phone ringing]
Hello? Is this the Fresno Sheriff's Department?
Hi, this is Robert Collier.
I'm here with Jessica Chobot.
We're re-examining
the Theresa Bier missing person's case from 1987,
and we've come across some information,
and that information has led us to a house in Fresno
that, potentially, Theresa Bier might be buried at.
If we were able to get a cadaver dog out here
to do the search of the residence
and Theresa's body is buried there,
we can actually, probably, you know, solve this case.
[suspenseful music playing]
Okay. Well, we can do that.
Thank you.
-How'd it go? -They're on board.
-They said... -Oh, good.
...all we need to do is we need to go over there
and get permission from the homeowners.
The Fresno County Sheriff's are willing to help.
They just wanted us to make sure
that we had the current homeowner's permission
to search the property.
[Jessica] So how do you wanna tackle talking to a complete stranger
and trying to convince them to let us in their house
'cause they have a dead body, possibly, buried in their yard?
[Robert] You know what, from an investigator's standpoint,
I think honesty is the best policy on that.
[Jessica] We got to get in there somehow
because this is the key to the case
if we're able to find...
a body.
[Robert] I think this is the neighborhood.
-Right? -[Jessica] Yep.
No. We're in the right neighborhood.
[Robert] It's gonna be on your side.
[Jessica] I think it will be on my side.
There's two palm trees in the front...
-[Robert] Yeah. -...kind of, short, green trim,
white garage.
-This is it, right here. -[Robert] Okay.
[Jessica] Oh, yeah. Absolutely.
-That's us. -[Robert] All right.
[Jessica] This is the house.
[grunts]
[keys jingling]
All right. So...
-[Robert] Yeah. -...straightforward,
honest, matter of fact.
[Robert] That's all we can do.
[knocking at door]
-Hi. -[woman] Yes.
-[Jessica] Hi. -Hi. How are you, ma'am?
Yes. My name is Robert.
-This is Jessica. -[Jessica] Hi, I'm Jessica.
[Robert] Are you okay if we film you?
We have a film crew with us.
We're doing a missing person investigation,
and they are accompanying us while we do this investigation.
I... Is it okay for them to film you?
-Yeah. Okay. -You're okay with that?
Okay. I'm a little speak English.
-Okay. -But, I...
-Can I talk to my daughter... -Yeah, please.
-Oh, yeah, yeah. We'll wait here. -You can get her, yeah.
-Okay. -[Robert and Jessica] Thank you.
-At least she was receptive. -[Jessica] Okay. Yeah.
-She's my daughter. -Hi.
-I'm Robert. -Hi. I'm Riley.
-Hi, Jessica. Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you.
We're investigating the Theresa Bier missing case from 1987.
-Okay. -[Robert] This is the girl. Her name is Theresa Bier.
She went missing.
And this is Skip, who used to live here.
This... Your house, actually, used to be his mom's house.
Oh, okay.
[Robert] So we spoke to a family member,
and she told us that...
he might have buried a body here on your property.
If it's okay with you, we'd like to have a cadaver dog
search your property.
We've already contacted law enforcement,
and they said, as long as we got permission from you,
they will help facilitate to search your property.
If you have a human body buried on your property,
you probably wanna know that.
[both] Yeah.
When would you guys wanna come out and search?
As soon as we can.
We just have to get you're okay with that.
Yeah. Okay.
[Robert] Okay. That's great.
[speaking Spanish]
[Riley] She's saying that she wants to do it for the family.
-She's like, "If I lost you... -[Robert] All right.
...I would want to know what happened."
[Jessica] As uncomfortable as I was
going to that front door and knocking on it,
I was so pleasantly surprised
once we told them we think there are clues, potentially, in their yard,
they're willing to let us do this.
They truly do wanna help Theresa.
Is there anywhere else that you recommend
that we do a search?
We have a basement...
-[Jessica] You got a basement? -...under our house.
My dad, um...
he went in the basement when we had moved in...
-[Robert and Jessica] Mmm-hmm. -...and found fragments of old clothes.
-[Jessica] Down in the... -Crawl space.
-[Robert] Down in the crawl space? -[both] Yeah.
Oh, okay. Interesting.
[Robert] That's very, very interesting.
[Jessica] I would love to be able to get down there
if that's okay with you guys.
-If you want to. -[Robert] Okay, that's great.
That's great.
The fact that the homeowners actually found
piles of old clothes stuffed into the crawlspace
as if somebody was trying to hide it,
oh, my gosh.
Like, what else could be down there?
No one has searched that yard, yet, or the house.
This is our best bet at finding Theresa.
[suspenseful music playing]
[Robert] I feel very uneasy today.
Reflecting back when you and I started all this...
-Yeah. -...I've actually laid awake thinking about Theresa.
It weighs on you mentally.
Going into this cadaver search,
I, honestly, I'm on, kind of, pins and needles.
I wanna know what's there on the property. I'm anxious.
It's the, "What if,"
and, "What are you gonna find?"
That's what goes through your mind.
I've been pretty much thinking constantly
about the fact that we might actually have a chance
to blow the lid off this case
if we find a body in the yard.
[Robert] That is a possibility,
and it weighs heavy.
It weighs really heavy.
It's this weird feeling of excitement,
but guilt
because you're excited to...
be moving forward, possibly, with the case.
The flip side to that is,
you remember what you're looking for
and why you're looking for it.
It's a really sad situation.
[tense music playing]
[Robert] There it is. There's the house.
Looks like the Sheriff's already here.
Let's do this.
-Hello. -How are you?
-Jessica. Nice to meet you. -Nice to meet you.
Today, we're working with the Fresno County Sheriff's Department.
There's Deputy Colleen Santos
and canine handler Kris Black and her dog, Annie.
I've worked with cadaver dogs before.
Their specialty is locating bodies,
either recent or from a long time ago.
This dog is well capable of locating the buried body.
[Kris] This is Annie.
She's a human-remains detection canine
also known as a cadaver dog.
If Annie gets into odor,
you'll see very distinctive body changes.
Her trained final response is a down.
-Is a down. Okay. -Yes.
And so then when she goes down,
what's the next step?
[Deputy Santos] Once we determine
that this could be something,
then there'll be further investigation.
Then we'll move forward from there.
[Jessica] Got it.
[Deputy Santos] While we're doing this search,
we're going to be behind her
she's leading the way. Okay?
And if she has interest on something,
then we're gonna stop what we're doing.
We're gonna go off their lead.
-Perfect. -Perfect.
-Let's do it. -All right. Lead the way.
[Kris] Let's do it.
[ominous music playing]
[Kris clicks tongue]
[sniffing]
[Kris] This way.
[Deputy Santos] So what we're doing right now
is she's very independent.
She's doing a perimeter.
[Jessica] Mmm-hmm.
[sniffing]
So just kind of getting the lay of the land.
[Deputy Santos] Yes.
[Kris] Nice work, Annie.
The search started off in the backyard.
She basically broke it down into like a grid.
And she was going back and forth.
[Jessica] If she hits on something,
I honestly don't know how I will process that.
If that actually happens.
[Robert] Well, we shall see, right?
[Jessica] Yeah.
She's thorough.
She's going everywhere.
[Kris] Come on, Annie.
[Jessica] It was really impressive to see the dog
and her handler at work.
You can truly see why
it is such an important investigation tool.
Good girl. Here.
[Robert] She did not locate anything?
-[Kris] I did not see any behaviors. -Okay.
-All right. Great. -Okay
[Robert] You want to go inside after this?
[Kris] Yes.
We'll do the house next.
[Jessica] There was an area inside the house
that the homeowner actually alerted us to,
which was this crawlspace area
within one of the bedrooms underneath the house.
The owners had mentioned that they had found
some discarded clothing that had been stuffed into the crawlspace.
So we absolutely need to investigate that area.
All right.
I'm gonna go ahead and take a look.
[Robert] Okay?
[Kris coughs]
Good girl. What is it?
Here. Down.
Good girl.
There's a lot of insulation that's hanging down there.
[Jessica] Yeah.
I'd rather not send her in there.
I'm afraid she might get stuck.
There's a lot of sharp little edges...
-Yeah. Yeah. -...of material down there.
[Jessica] Yeah. Yeah.
Um...
I mean, I can go in there.
There's no way we've come this far
for Theresa to stop.
Only because the crawl space was hard to access.
I was not having that.
Okay, let's see.
Tuck this in.
[Robert] Are you sure you want to do this?
[Jessica] I've been in much worse places.
Just be careful. Please.
Watch your head, Jess.
[Jessica] I'm watching it.
[breathing heavily]
[Jessica] Okay.
I'm crawling underneath Skip's old house.
It's very tight, very narrow.
I'm gonna look around.
See if I find anything.
If I do, call up top [strains] and then
um, and then the cops takeover.
It was like being in a cave,
very small, it's very tiny.
There was just enough light to see things,
but not so well that you could really get your bearings.
[Robert] Jess, you good down there?
[Jessica] I'm good!
When you think about it, I could be [panting]
in the basement
with Theresa right now.
[sighing in exhaustion]
Which [panting] I think I just freaked myself out.
What the [bleep] is that.
[bleep] It's bad.
[panting]
Oh, what the [bleep]
Jess, do you see something?
[Jessica] Nothing yet.
It's just a lot bigger.
It actually goes a lot further back than I was expecting.
Okay.
[Jessica] I'm gonna try to get back into the corners,
because if you're gonna hide something,
you're gonna hide it well.
-[Robert] All right. -[Jessica straining]
Please be careful.
[Jessica] Oh, man. I want to go down there.
[grunts]
[panting] Let's see.
This is...
I think this is all just cement.
Stones.
Holy! [bleep]
What?
[Jessica] I found bones.
[Jessica] I think this is all just cement.
Holy! [bleep]
What?
[Jessica] I found bones.
That looks like it might whole teeth.
This looks like a small rib bone.
It would be quite a few years
since she would have been put down here
so things could have broken up
[panting]
over time, and all we're left is with small fragments.
It's a possibility.
[Robert] Hand me the camera, Jess.
[Jessica] Here you go.
[panting]
[exhales]
-[Robert] Whoa! -[Jessica] It's... uh...
something else in there. Ooh!
Oh! It's hot.
[Robert] So we have a video of the bones.
[Jessica] Yeah.
Oh, that's them right there.
Okay, hold on.
So that's what I thought looked like a bit of a jawbone.
That was the biggest piece.
There was another piece that I'll rewind and...
That to me looked like a vertebrae.
Let's just take a picture of each.
That one right there looked like a small rib bone.
[Deputy Santos] Let's go. Notify my lieutenant.
All right.
-Oh. [sighs] -[Robert] Yeah.
[Jessica] I need a hose.
[Robert] Dirty job.
One of the bones. It just looked to human.
The vertebrae.
It looked like a vertebrae.
The size fit.
This might be a human bone.
[Jessica] All right, so here are those photos.
Okay, so here's this one.
[Jessica] I brought the picture to the sheriff.
I showed her.
And she did kind of get wide eyed
and seemed a little shocked that we found anything at all.
I'm gonna give those photographs to our coroner's office.
We have doctors there,
the medical examiners, they will determine
whether or not the images look like they are likely human.
Or likely animals.
If one of the doctors says it looks like it could possibly be human,
then we'll come back and we'll actually physically collect it
and they'll do a physical examination.
[Jessica] Got it.
If the coroner comes back
and says that this could be human remains,
that could be Theresa.
I'm just really shocked.
We found something that
actually might be a human skeleton.
I did not expect to stumble upon a bone
that, to me at least, that one looked so...
Yeah, like a vertebrae.
-[Robert] Yeah, like-- -Like a possible human vertebrae.
Looked like a vertebrae to me.
[Jessica] What if we found Theresa?
[cell phone ringing]
[Robert] Jess, I think that's the sheriff calling me.
-[Jessica] Seriously? -[Robert] Yes,
Hello.
I'm here with Robert Collier.
What's going on?
Uh-huh.
Okay.
What does that mean?
The coroner looked at the photographs,
and they think that they're animal bones. Is that right?
Hmm.
All right. Yeah.
No, I understand.
Thank you very much for looking into it for us,
and we really appreciate it.
Bye.
-Really? -[Jessica] Animal bone.
Obviously, I'm very disappointed.
And now what are we left with?
I mean, it could be anything.
I mean, maybe it's not Skip, after all.
I mean, at this point, I don't even know.
I still think it's Skip his bizarre behavior.
His actions, taking this 16-year-old girl up to the mountains.
I think Skip is still the main suspect in this,
and there's got to be a smoking gun.
[Jessica] So what's next? Like, what do we do?
[Robert] I think our next best step
is another run at James Welch.
He had some pretty damning stuff
to say about his uncle Skip.
-In the police report. -[Jessica] Yeah, but he said no.
Even though he hung up on me last time,
I think we should give him another try.
I think he's our last hope.
[phone ringing]
Hey, James.
[in English]
Hey, this is Rob Collier. I'm here with Jessica Chobot.
I know this could be painful.
As you expressed before,
but we really think you could be a pivotal
point in this investigation.
This could be after 40 years,
a huge weight off your chest.
We're trying to get to the bottom
of what happened to this 16-year-old girl.
We really think that you can really help us
and be pivotal in finding out what happened to Theresa.
[James speaking]
[Robert] Great. That's great.
We'll meet you at five. Thanks.
I am really interested in talking to James Welch
because I think he'll paint another side
to what we've heard about Skip.
I'm sure he can give us a lot of information.
Just here we are Miller's landing.
-[Jessica] Ready? -[Robert] Yeah.
Supposed to be here.
[Jessica] All right. Fingers crossed.
So right here or at the far end?
[Robert] I don't know. Let's go down the dock.
-[Jessica] It's just to check. -[Robert] Down here.
I don't see anybody standing around here.
Nope.
[Robert] He said he was going to be over here.
Come on, man.
[Robert sighs]
I don't think this guy's gonna show.
[Jessica] All right, a couple more minutes.
-[Robert] Yup. -[Jessica sighs] Okay
Oh, hey, I think this is him.
[Robert] Might be.
-James? -[Jessica] Hi.
Hi.
[Robert] James. Right?
-Correct. -All right.
-Nice to meet you. Robert. -[James] Nice to meet you.
-Nice to meet you. -Hi, Jessica.
Nice to meet you.
Thanks for--
Thanks for meeting us today. I appreciate that.
Hey, whatever I can do to help
[Robert] Jessica and I, we're looking into
the Theresa Bier missing case,
and we know that you were
-a nephew of Skip. -Yeah.
What was your relationship with Skip?
Did he take you to the mountains a lot?
I mean, did you do things together a lot?
Uh, we went to a place called Ghost Canyon.
Went there a few times.
[Jessica] We know that he was really into Bigfoot.
Is that why you guys went camping up there?
He took me up there for that.
-It's Indian burial ground. -[Jessica] Mmm-hmm.
-There's carvings all over the place. -[Robert] Mmm-hmm.
I don't know why, but he confided in me
-about everything he did. -[Robert] Right.
I don't understand why,
but he told me and then nobody else.
He started telling me about the way
he would take young girls up there
that were on the streets.
Because if he didn't do that,
then Bigfoot would chase him off the mountain.
[Jessica] So the girls were kind of an offering
to the Bigfoot that were in that area.
[James] That is what he told me, yes.
[Robert] When James told us that his Uncle Skip
took young girls up to the mountains
as an offering to Bigfoot.
That is so explosive in an investigation like this,
because that to me as an investigator
that pinpoints that Skip he has done this before,
and he took Theresa up there to do the same thing.
[James] He's told me he's taking women up there.
It was in Strawberry Tungsten mines.
He could throw a body off into a mine
a thousand feet deep.
He told me he buried a girl when the creek got low.
He freaking dug all the rocks out
and put them on top of her.
And then nobody could see it
because it was in the cold water.
He told you that he buried a girl there before?
-[James] Yeah. -[Jessica] Interesting. Okay.
[Robert] Did he say Theresa, maybe.
-Did he ever tell you who it was? -No, this is--
This is way before her.
He always picks young girls that are on the street,
the ones that like takeoff and do drugs,
and because nobody gives a [bleep] about 'em.
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[Jessica] Listening to James talk about Skip.
He truly believes that essentially,
Skip is a serial killer.
This investigation has taken a a very dark turn.
If what he's telling us is the truth.
Do we know this girl's name?
No, there's a map.
It has initials on it.
There's like seven of them.
Okay.
[James] He told me that this is where he put them.
But he was also the kind of person
who would tell you one thing.
And stick 'em totally somewhere else.
-[Jessica] Got it? -[Robert] Okay.
That's the way he worked.
[Jessica] If there are other victims up there
that also did not get justice.
Obviously, it's really sad,
but it's also really frustrating
that Skip got away with it.
Did you tell the police that he possibly has buried
some other girl up there in the stream
-and put rocks on her? -[James] Yeah.
They took a helicopter.
They went over with infrared.
They came to find nothing.
[Jessica] Hmm.
Did he ever mention that he was taking Theresa up there?
Yeah.
When I met Theresa, they came to my house.
He told me, "We're going to go to Ghost Canyon
and we're going to fight the devil.
Either we win and we come back
or we lose we won't."
-Mmm-hmm. -So-- So that day
that he picked up Theresa, you saw her?
[James] Yeah.
He came to my house, told me, "Get in the car
We're going to Ghost Canyon."
She was in the car.
He wanted you to go with him.
Yeah, because I knew too much information.
And I think he wanted to get rid of me.
You think he was gonna try and get rid of you as well?
-Yeah, -[Jessica] So you knew too much information
about the other girls that he was bringing up there
and things of that nature sacrificing them
and that because of that now,
-he wanted to also kill you, too. -Yeah.
I went out she was sitting in the truck
and I told her to get the hell out of the truck.
And she's like, "No, I want to go."
I said "No. Get the hell out of the truck!"
[Jessica] Mmm-hmm.
I should have grabbed her up by hair.
Sorry, and yanked her ass out.
Mmm-hmm.
That was the only time I've ever seen her.
And three days later, nobody ever seen her again.
Do you think he actually killed Theresa up by Ghost Canyon?
Or do you think he took her somewhere else
even before that and killed her off?
He said that he took her there.
And a bunch of bikers showed up.
And she went with them.
And she was never seen again.
He don't know.
-Do you believe that statement? -[Robert] No!
What do you believe happened up in Ghost Canyon?
[James] I believe he took her up there with drugs.
I think he OD'd her.
And he had his way with her.
And then he dumped her.
The man was evil.
Period,
[Robert] Right.
Um... his whole family knew it.
Do you know where he went after you know Theresa--
He came back and said that
she was taken by a bunch of bikers.
and he acted like he was normal.
-[Robert] So that was the story to you. -[James] Yeah.
But he, did he ever mention Bigfoot took-- taken her.
Uh, no.
So the story, you know he's sticking by that
while they were up there
she was end up talking to some bikers,
and that's the last time he saw her.
-[James] Yeah. -[Robert] That's bull crap.
That's bull crap
Yeah, in my eyes. yeah.
-I think he just made up a story. -[Jessica] Mmm-hmm.
And blamed it on somebody else.
And thought he was gonna get away with it.
-[Jessica] Yeah. -[Robert] Right.
[James] He's kind of a genius.
I should have opened up the damn door
and grabbed her out forcefully.
And made her get out of that damn car.
And have her either go into my house
or take her wherever she needs to go.
That I felt I should have did was something I didn't do because,
hell, I could have went to jail for it.
You know, forcefully pulling her out of the car.
I didn't know what else to do.
She totally refused.
James, you can't blame yourself because you know what?
You didn't know what was really going to happen.
You know, you can't blame that.
[Jessica] Plus, you were a kid at the same time too.
You were a kid, and that's too much responsibility
-for a kid. -Yeah.
Well...
Just feel bad.
-James, thanks for coming. -[James] Yeah.
-[Robert] Appreciate it. -[James] I hope that helps you guys some way.
-Yeah, thank you. -Thank you.
-Take care. -Have a good one.
[James] Have a good day.
[Robert] James Welch had in depth knowledge
on his uncle's activities.
James actually witnessed Theresa in Skip's car.
That was huge.
It puts a whole new twist on the investigation.
[Jessica] Hearing all this come out of James's mouth,
it's really painting a very dark picture of Skip
I had no idea about supposedly the additional girls
that he murdered and buried up there.
[Robert] I know that blew me away.
He said his uncle was a serial killer.
How dark
and I mean, morbid and scary is that.
[Jessica] In my opinion,
the only reason he never got arrested
for Theresa's disappearance
is they just didn't have a body.
After hearing James, I think we need to start
ruling out some suspects here.
Like the Speed Freak killers,
I find it highly unlikely
for them to be up there at the same time.
Theresa fit their victimology,
but it would be an incredible coincidence.
I agree with you.
Shermantine was asked point blank
if he had ever killed
a 16-year-old girl in this area.
He said, "Absolutely not."
He has nothing to lose.
He has admitted to his other crimes.
-Right. -[Jessica] Why would he randomly lie about her?
And then there's blind Johnny.
He was an awful guardian.
He was doing drugs.
He was selling drugs.
But there's no evidence linking him to the crime.
I agree with you about blind Johnny
he let Theresa down in today's system,
she would not have been in that home.
But at the end of the day,
he did not go up to the mountains
with Skip and Theresa
and he was not a part of the crime.
You know, I'll suggest we got a look at Bigfoot.
Bigfoot was plastered all over this case,
but that was only in Skip's mind.
It was a weak alibi Skip was trying to use.
But I hate to say it it worked.
[Jessica] Because of the belief in Bigfoot
specifically here,
it became less about Theresa
and more about this sensationalist headline.
And I feel like Skip he got away with it.
[Robert] He got away with it.
We will never know for sure what happened to Theresa Bier.
But most likely Skip took her up to Ghost Canyon.
He used a hook.
Let's go see Bigfoot.
He probably took advantage of Theresa, murdered her,
and then dumped her body somewhere.
In my experience in law enforcement,
humans are always the real monsters.
The system associated with Theresa
in this case failed her.
The social services failed her
the media failed her.
And unfortunately, she never had a chance.
I hope that we were able to bring and shed
some light on this case on her behalf.
And I hope that does some good
for everybody that was involved in this case.
All those people that are still missing.
I will continue on trying to find answers
to some of the questions.
I don't want to stop investigating
until there's some kind of justice served.
But I will never forget Theresa Bier and this case,
[Jessica] It all boils down to the fact that she mattered.
Theresa Bier matters just as much today
as she did almost 40 years ago when she disappeared.
Theresa got lost in all of this.
But at the end of the day,
she's still a young girl that went missing.
That didn't get the justice she deserved.
We still don't know exactly what happened to her,
but you cannot tell me at this point.
After talking with James, that Skip isn't responsible
for Theresa's disappearance,
on top of potentially responsible for many
other women's disappearances.
There's no doubt in my mind that Skip is responsible.
For whatever happened to Theresa,
I think that is well within Skip's wheelhouse.
At the end of the day,
I really hope we've done Theresa justice
in making this a story about Theresa
and not necessarily a story about Bigfoot.