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Hello and welcome to The Celebrity
Traitors: Uncloaked, the official

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video podcast hosted by me,
Ed Gamble.

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This episode is full of spoilers

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from episode three of
The Celebrity Traitors.

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It would be a real shame
if we ruined it for you.

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So head to BBC iPlayer
now to catch up,

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then come back here to join us.
Now we've got that out of the way,

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I can safely say that I didn't

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think we'd be playing this
so soon into the series.

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SIREN BLARES

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You heard it right -
that's the Traitors siren -

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and that's because our first
Traitor has been caught.

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Richard has made
UK Traitors history

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by being banished at
the first Round Table,

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and I cannot wait to chat to him
all about that.

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Coming up...

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Celebrity Faithful Charlotte Church
and Frankie

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from series three are here
to unpack everything

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from this jam-packed episode.

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Our first Traitor of the series,
Richard E Grant,

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will be with us in the studio,

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and Faithful Myha'la will be here

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to discuss her banishment
and her time playing the game.

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Plus, we'll see the moment she
found out who the Traitors were!

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APPLAUSE AND CHEERING

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Here we are.
Richard, Charlotte, Frankie,

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welcome to the show. Now, Richard,
we've got a lot to talk about.

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First of all, congratulations.
You've made UK Traitors history

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by being banished at
the first Round Table as a Traitor.

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How are you feeling now
some time has passed?

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<font color="#ffff00">Well, Joseph Stalin</font>
<font color="#ffff00">also made history.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Pre-empt what people</font>
<font color="#ffff00">are going to be saying to me.</font>

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But it was so iconic, Richard.
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the reaction to it has been amazing.

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I think people absolutely
loved you in the castle.

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<font color="#ffff00">OK, Ed. Whatever you say.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I was just really hoping</font>
<font color="#00ffff">you were going to get away with it.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">And it seemed like you</font>
<font color="#00ffff">were about to.</font> <font color="#ffff00">Bless you, Frankie.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">It really did.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">And then your defence</font>
<font color="#00ffff">wasn't great, was it?</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">And then...</font> <font color="#ffff00">There was no defence</font>
<font color="#ffff00">whatsoever!</font> <font color="#00ffff">I was like, "Oh!"</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">When I walked into the bar, I was</font>
<font color="#ffff00">in such a state of genuine shock</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">that I had no memory</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that it was Joe Lycett</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">who had asked me that question.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">And, you know, when he asked me,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I thought it was like that</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I, Spartacus moment</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">when somebody says, "Are you</font>
<font color="#ffff00">a Traitor?" And you say,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">"Well, yeah, of course I am."</font>

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We could play that out for you
now, Richard, if you want.

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If you say you're a Traitor,
then we'll all join in

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and say that we're Traitors as well.

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<font color="#ffff00">Are you a Traitor?</font>
Yes, I'm a Traitor.

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<font color="#ffff00">Are you a Traitor?</font>
<font color="#00ffff">Yes, I'm a Traitor.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">I am a Traitor, Richard.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I am a Traitor!</font> <font color="#00ffff">I am a Traitor!</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">That's the only time I</font>
<font color="#00ffff">got to say it!</font> Oh, that's

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how it should have gone.
<font color="#ffff00">That's how it should have gone.</font>

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It was a very bold tactic,

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admitting that you were a Traitor
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<font color="#ffff00">Ed, you brought up the word tactic.</font>
Yes.<font color="#ffff00">There was no tactic.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">It was my 69th birthday present.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And when Claudia tapped me on</font>
<font color="#ffff00">the shoulder,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I thought, "Yes, I've won</font>
<font color="#ffff00">the best birthday present of all!"</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Until the bingo thing of everybody</font>
<font color="#ffff00">writes your name down.</font>

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Talk us through that moment,
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"Yes, I am a Traitor."

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And then when asked again,
you said, "I'm a Traitor."

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<font color="#00ffff">What are you?</font> <font color="#ffff00">A Traitor.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">You're what?</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">A Traitor.</font> <font color="#00ff00">He's a Traitor.</font>
<font color="#00ffff">Are you?</font> <font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">Right.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">What's the point of being</font>
<font color="#ffff00">in the game if you're not, you know?</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">Right. OK.</font>
<font color="#00ff00">It's an interesting angle.</font> <font color="#00ffff">Yeah.</font>

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What was happening in your brain
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<font color="#ffff00">OK. You will know from being on it,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that the Round Table bit,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">by the time that Claudia</font>
<font color="#ffff00">has walked round four times,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">you think, "Well, by that point,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">there's no chance now."</font> <font color="#00ffff">Mm.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">So I was really feeling like,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">"Oh, what have I done?"</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">You know, "I'm going to</font>
<font color="#ffff00">have to be a Faithful."</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And when she tapped me on</font>
<font color="#ffff00">the shoulder,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I thought, "Don't show any emotion</font>
<font color="#ffff00">at all whatsoever."</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">Yeah.</font> <font color="#ffff00">And, you know,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">you try your best not to.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">But, of course, Miranda Hart</font>
<font color="#ffff00">sitting Miss Marple-ing</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">right next to me.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I think she said she</font>
<font color="#ffff00">immediately could feel</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">the vibrations of joy</font>
<font color="#ffff00">coming out of the blindfold.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">You know, I have no idea.</font>
<font color="#00ff00">I found watching it,</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">it was like...</font>
<font color="#00ff00">It was like you were so childlike</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">and joyful that actually you just</font>
<font color="#00ff00">couldn't contain it.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">You couldn't stop smiling.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">You were like the cat</font>
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Yeah.<font color="#00ff00">The joy was literally</font>
<font color="#00ff00">just, like, emanating.</font>

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Just straight after the Round Table,
the broadest smile.<font color="#ffff00">I was happy.</font>

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Even after you'd said it
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for the first time...
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font> ..there's a moment

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where you are bolt upright
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Just pure excitement.

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It's amazing.<font color="#ffff00">Poor Maya. You know,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">she had to contend with this.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And of course she stabbed me</font>
<font color="#ffff00">right... You know,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">hung, drawn and quartered.</font> <font color="#00ff00">Aw!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And I stupidly thought</font>
<font color="#ffff00">when we chose James Acaster -</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">because I thought his</font>
<font color="#ffff00">coffin statement</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">where he was saying he was really</font>
<font color="#ffff00">going to stand by me - of course,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">it never crossed my mind</font>
<font color="#ffff00">at this moment</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">of sheer panic</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that he would be the last person</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">that would say anything</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">to support me whatsoever,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">because it would dob himself in.</font>

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Yeah.<font color="#ffff00">Of course he didn't.</font>

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It's one of my favourite moments
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when you've admitted that
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and Joe and Rob
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"We should share this with
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everything happen and just goes,
"Share what?"

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AMERICAN ACCENT:<font color="#00ff00">Share what?</font>
<font color="#00ffff">But he just really wanted to be one!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Oh, my favourite is when Jerry said</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that she was very competitive</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">and she won the teenage</font>
<font color="#ffff00">leg-wrestling competition</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">of Texas.</font> <font color="#00ff00">That was amazing!</font>
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the missions are going to be
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Maybe there'll be some
leg wrestling happening.<font color="#00ff00">Mm!</font>

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Now, Richard, very intense
Round Table,

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but you kept the group
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<font color="#ffff00">Thank you for having me and for</font>
<font color="#ffff00">giving me an almost bingo</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">full house of votes.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I have always wanted</font>
<font color="#ffff00">to be a Traitor, as you know.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And sometimes in life,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">your dreams do come true.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And sometimes they don't.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I am...</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">..a...</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">..unfaithful Traitor.</font>

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CHEERING

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<font color="#00ffff">Knew it!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Thanks, Maya.</font>

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LAUGHTER

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<font color="#ffff00">Put her on there.</font>
It's such a wonderful moment,

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because normally, in that moment
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"Oh, God, I hope we're right.
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Every single face there is like,

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"Yeah, we know he is."
Like, there's no...

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<font color="#ffff00">Well, when the plonker gives them</font>
<font color="#ffff00">the information</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">right up front, you know.</font>
Frankie, everyone voted

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for Richard apart from
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which is Joanne,
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Did you expect so many people
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<font color="#00ffff">No, because I think I probably just</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">would have wanted you just</font>
<font color="#00ffff">to stay in.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I was surprised.</font> There could have
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"Look, we know it's Richard.
He said it's him.

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"So let's just keep him
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<font color="#00ffff">Yes, maybe kind of like,</font>
<font color="#00ffff">"We've got one in the bag."</font>

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Yeah, we've got one...
<font color="#00ffff">Let him have... You know,</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">let's focus on some others</font>
<font color="#00ffff">for a bit.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">Yeah.</font> So we've discussed it,
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your fellow Traitors,
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Were you surprised by
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or did you think it was inevitable?

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<font color="#ffff00">I thought that Maya</font>
<font color="#ffff00">would definitely stab me,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">because I'd put her in an</font>
<font color="#ffff00">absolutely untenable position.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">So I perfectly understood,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">because I would do that.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">But I was so convinced by</font>
<font color="#ffff00">James Acaster's determination</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">not to kill me off</font>
<font color="#ffff00">when he gave his big plea</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">in the church, after Amol,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that I naively thought,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">"Oh, well, you know, maybe James,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">because he's so trustworthy,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">"he would come through for me."</font>
<font color="#ffff00">And then, of course,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">when I watched it, not one</font>
<font color="#ffff00">word came out of James's mouth</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">to support me.</font>

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When I watched him give that plea
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"Oh, I'm going to defend you,
Richard..."<font color="#ffff00">You knew.</font>

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Oh, there was not
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that thought he's going to do that.

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<font color="#ffff00">Did you think Amol had</font>
<font color="#ffff00">a better argument?</font>

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They both had similar arguments.
<font color="#00ff00">Yeah.</font>

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But I think Amol might
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to have actually gone in
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and get in amongst it.<font color="#00ffff">I do.</font> No, I
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is very hot on playing this game
of, he's been recruited,

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so he has to keep playing the same

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game that he was playing
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now that he's a Traitor.<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font>

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And the game he was playing
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down opposite you
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and just looking at you,
saying you're a Traitor.

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So I don't think there was any way
he could change up.

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<font color="#00ff00">But also,</font>
<font color="#00ff00">Amol wanted to be a Traitor.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">And I think that is quite</font>
<font color="#00ff00">an interesting</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">juxtaposition for James,</font>
<font color="#00ff00">because, like,</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">I know that when I went in, I really</font>
<font color="#00ff00">did not want to be a Traitor.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Are you serious?</font> <font color="#00ff00">Yeah, absolutely.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Did you not want to be a Traitor?</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">No.</font> <font color="#00ff00">No.</font> <font color="#00ffff">And I was terrified</font>
<font color="#00ffff">I'd be recruited.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I thought I'd have to say no.</font>
<font color="#00ff00">Yeah.</font> <font color="#ffff00">Yeah, but you have</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">no control over anything</font>
<font color="#ffff00">if you're a Faithful.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">But that's sort of the challenge.</font>
I think, for that...

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<font color="#ffff00">Well, you both lasted longer</font>
<font color="#ffff00">than I did.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Ed Gamble's still got his job,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">so... Taxi!</font>

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I do want to know what a Faithful
Richard E Grant

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would have been like.
How would you have approached

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the game were you not selected
by Claudia?

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<font color="#ffff00">I think it would have</font>
<font color="#ffff00">been much easier,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">because then you're not trying</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">to second guess everything</font>
<font color="#ffff00">all the time.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">But you are. But you are</font>
<font color="#00ff00">as a Faithful, as well,</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">because you're also</font>
<font color="#00ff00">having to play the game</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">where you're watching</font>
<font color="#00ff00">everything that you say.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">Because there's still</font>
<font color="#00ff00">suspicion on everybody.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Yeah. But there's that thing</font>
<font color="#ffff00">where if you know</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">that you are a Faithful,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">then surely you feel</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">that your truth-o-meter is going</font>
<font color="#ffff00">to somehow get you through.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Whereas if you're a liar</font>
<font color="#ffff00">pants-on-fire, like I was,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">you're just... My brain was like,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">"Brr-lrr", as you saw.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I reckon you would have said</font>
<font color="#00ffff">you're a Traitor anyway,</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">even if you'd been Faithful.</font>
Yeah, that's a good point.

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<font color="#ffff00">I think that's absolutely right.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I think you wanted to be it</font>
<font color="#00ffff">so badly,</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">you would have just pretended you</font>
<font color="#00ffff">were.</font> <font color="#ffff00">That's absolutely...</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">That's true.</font> So the game would have
gone exactly the same.<font color="#00ffff">Either way.</font>

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Yeah.<font color="#ffff00">Oh, that would have been</font>
<font color="#ffff00">very satisfying if</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I stood up at the end and said,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">"I am a traitorous Faithful."</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">That would have been a good way!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Then there would have</font>
<font color="#ffff00">been tears into their cocoa.</font>

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That would have been
even more iconic

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if you just claimed
to be a Traitor publicly.

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<font color="#ffff00">Shall we go back?</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I think that's what</font>
<font color="#00ffff">he would have done.</font>

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OK, now this third episode included
two Round Table banishments,

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and we'll be bringing
Myha'la out shortly.

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But before that, there's been
a recruitment

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and Hannah is now a Traitor.

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<font color="#ffff00">Tomorrow is a fresh start</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and a bit of a reset.</font> <font color="#00ff00">Mm, yeah.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">Yeah.</font> <font color="#00ff00">Exciting, though.</font>
<font color="#00ff00">New generation.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#00ffff">It is.</font> <font color="#ffff00">It is. It's changing a lot,</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">this Traitors,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">it's like the Sugababes.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">But we've got you back.</font>
<font color="#00ffff">OK.</font> <font color="#00ff00">Good luck.</font>

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What do we think of the decision
to recruit Hannah, Frankie?

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<font color="#00ffff">I think they've obviously done it</font>
<font color="#00ffff">because there's been</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">a bit of heat on her,</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">and so I fear she might be thrown</font>
<font color="#00ffff">under the bus a little bit.</font>

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That's not the impression I got as
to why they wanted to recruit her.

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<font color="#00ffff">No, they didn't say that at all.</font>
Yeah.

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<font color="#00ffff">But I think they might</font>
<font color="#00ffff">potentially use that.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">But on the other hand,</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">she's clearly a brilliant brain...</font>

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Mm-hm.<font color="#00ffff">..and therefore it's...</font>
<font color="#00ffff">You know, I think her tactics</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">as a Traitor...</font> Yeah.
<font color="#00ffff">..could be exceptional.</font>

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The difficult thing is
she is someone else

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who, in the chat with Claudia
at the beginning of the game,

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said she wanted to be Faithful.

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<font color="#00ffff">Mm.</font> <font color="#00ff00">Yeah.</font> So, this is another
Traitor in the Turret...

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<font color="#00ffff">Interesting.</font> ..along with James
Acaster, who wanted to be Faithful.

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<font color="#00ffff">Yes.</font> <font color="#00ff00">Yes, who's now a Traitor.</font>
So, do you think that's something

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that maybe Maya and James
should have considered when

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they chose to recruit Hannah?<font color="#00ffff">Yes.</font>
Because they could have recruited

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from anyone. It wasn't just
the choice between Hannah and Jerry.

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It could have been anyone, and there
still would have been no murder

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and there still would have been
that suspicion.

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<font color="#ffff00">Who do you think they should have</font>
<font color="#ffff00">recruited?</font> Well, someone who really

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WANTED to be a Traitor. Someone
like... I mean, everyone else,

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really, isn't it?<font color="#ffff00">Like Myha'la.</font>
<font color="#00ff00">Hannah obviously makes loads of</font>

258
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<font color="#00ff00">sense because she is the biggest</font>
<font color="#00ff00">strategic brain in there.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">So, you know, she's gaming</font>
<font color="#00ff00">the maths and the probabilities.</font>

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Yeah. I think you go Bella,
you go...<font color="#00ff00">Yeah.</font>

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You go Julie.
Julie's got heat on her anyway

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because of this
most-trustworthy thing.

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<font color="#00ffff">And Hannah looked quite nervous</font>
<font color="#00ffff">at breakfast, I thought.</font> Yeah.

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The thing with Hannah,
as well, is Hannah has already,

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before she was recruited...<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font>

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..shared loads
of these statistical theories

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and all of the things that
she's doing as a Faithful -

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her spreadsheets,

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you know, whether she sees groups
of people together,

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whether they're Traitors or not.

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She'll have to maintain that
as a Traitor, surely. She'll have

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to keep bringing these
statistical theories.

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<font color="#00ff00">But it could be brilliant.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">If she can just evade the heat</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">that will come over the next</font>
<font color="#00ff00">couple of days,</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">then she could be really well</font>
<font color="#00ff00">placed...</font> Yeah.<font color="#00ff00">..to see it through.</font>

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I think people are rapidly finding
out that, really, the only way

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to find Traitors is if the Traitor
announces they are a Traitor

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in the bar.<font color="#00ffff">Yeah.</font> <font color="#ffff00">I tend</font>
<font color="#ffff00">to agree with you on that, Ed!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I think you could be on</font>
<font color="#ffff00">to something.</font>

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And I want to thank you,
Richard, for proving that point.

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Well, let's see how Hannah gets on
in tomorrow's episode.

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But for now, I think
you've waited long enough.

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Myha'la will be here
right after we see the moment

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she discovered
the identities of the Traitors.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Welcome, welcome, Myha'la.
<font color="#ffff00">Thank you.</font> Squeeze yourself in.

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<font color="#ffff00">Sliding in.</font>

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Thank you so much
for joining us on Uncloaked.

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<font color="#ffff00">Thank you for having me.</font>

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Sorry to see you leave so early,
of course.<font color="#ffff00">Me, too.</font>

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The second player to be banished.
<font color="#ffff00">Horrible.</font>

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The first Faithful to be banished...
<font color="#ffff00">Ridiculous.</font> ..this series.

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Absolutely ridiculous.
How are you feeling right now?

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<font color="#ffff00">Grateful, most of all.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Grateful to have been on the show.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Pissed...</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">..that I'm not in that castle!</font>

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Now, Myha'la, big moment.

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You're about to find out
who the Traitors actually are.

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But before I put you
out your misery,

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I do want to know,
who are you thinking?

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Who do you think it is and why?

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<font color="#ffff00">I thought, from the beginning,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">the Traitors could be...</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">..Julie, Rob</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">and, randomly, Sharon.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">And then pretty soon after,</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">I thought it could be Bella.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">And after, surely, the recruitment,</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">I thought it was Jerry.</font>

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And who are your definite Faithfuls?

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">I think Maya's Faithful,</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">just cos she's so pretty and cute.</font>
ED LAUGHS

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">I think Kenny's Faithful.</font> Yeah?

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">He just has a faithful face,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">you know? Um...</font>

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I love doing it based on prettiness
and face, as well.<font color="#ffff00">Listen...</font>

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That's so funny.<font color="#ffff00">Listen, what</font>
<font color="#ffff00">else have we got at this stage?</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Nada.</font> Look, let's
put you out your misery.

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Let's find out who the Traitors are.

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<font color="#ffff00">OK.</font> I've got the scroll
for you right here.

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How are you feeling,
before I hand this over?

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<font color="#ffff00">Sick.</font> You almost don't want
to take this off me,

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I can see it in your face.
<font color="#ffff00">Not really. Can you do it?</font>

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No. Absolutely not! There you go.
This is your moment.

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SHE SIGHS

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<font color="#ffff00">James A.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">Oh, my God. It's so good.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">It's so good.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">Oh, it's SO good.</font>

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{\an8}How are you feeling?

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">Oh, bless him. I hope he wins.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">I hope he wins.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">I think he might win.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">He could really win.</font>

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{\an8}So, he's doing a good job,
from your perspective?

335
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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">Heck, yeah, he's doing a good job.</font>

336
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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">He's coming off as so noble.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">Oh, it's genius.</font> Right.

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{\an8}Unfold the next bit, please.

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<font color="#ffff00">Very, very scared.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Hannah? Yeah. Duh.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">She's playing an incredible game.</font>

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She's a very smart lady.

343
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<font color="#ffff00">She's the smartest person</font>
<font color="#ffff00">in the room.</font>

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Well, you may notice there's
another name to be revealed.

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SHE SQUEALS

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">Am I going to cry?</font>

347
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<font color="#ffff00">I can't breathe.</font>

348
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<font color="#ffff00">Oh...my...God.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">It's Maya, damn it!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Oh, Maya and Hannah and James A.</font>

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Clearly not too pretty
to be a Traitor.

352
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<font color="#ffff00">No, of course not.</font>

353
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<font color="#ffff00">They're going to win, you know.</font>

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You think it's a Traitors
victory this series?

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">Yeah. Oh, now I'm</font>
<font color="#ffff00">thinking back, thinking,</font>

356
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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">what could it have been?</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Who got recruited?</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">Who got this? Who got that?</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I'm thinking...</font>

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{\an8}Yeah. We've lost you now.

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">Yeah, I'm out of the room,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">actually. I'm somewhere else.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">I'm in the castle.</font>

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{\an8}If you could summarise your time

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{\an8}in the castle in three words,
what would you say?

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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">Oh, my God.</font>

364
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{\an8}<font color="#ffff00">Oh, my God.</font> Perfect.

365
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{\an8}Absolutely perfect.

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And joining us
in the studio now, it's Myha'la!

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

368
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<font color="#ffff00">Thanks for having me!</font> Welcome.

369
00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:06,840
Myha'la, of course,
reunited with Richard...

370
00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,320
<font color="#ffff00">I know, thank God.</font> ..who you
were sure was a Faithful,

371
00:16:09,360 --> 00:16:11,720
seeing him for the first time since
you found out he was a Traitor -

372
00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:13,040
how does that feel?

373
00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:14,960
<font color="#ffff00">I was so excited to see you.</font>

374
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,840
<font color="#ffff00">I was so happy.</font> <font color="#00ffff">Ditto.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">It was amazing. I was like,</font>

375
00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:19,200
<font color="#ffff00">"Oh, my God! My best friend!"</font>
<font color="#ffff00">And then I was like...</font>

376
00:16:19,240 --> 00:16:21,000
<font color="#ffff00">I remembered in the midst -</font>

377
00:16:21,040 --> 00:16:24,280
<font color="#ffff00">I was like, "You little so-and-so!"</font>

378
00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:27,720
<font color="#00ffff">I know.</font> <font color="#ffff00">But I don't blame you...</font>
<font color="#00ffff">Good.</font> <font color="#ffff00">..at all, cos, like...</font>

379
00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,200
<font color="#00ffff">I don't blame you for voting for me.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">..I would have done the same.</font>

380
00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:33,480
Well, I think it surprised me
when you voted for Richard...

381
00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:35,600
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font> ..cos you were
so defensive of him...

382
00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:37,320
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font> ..at that very Round Table.

383
00:16:37,360 --> 00:16:40,400
<font color="#00ffff">Myha'la had no choice.</font> I think
you perhaps could have voted for

384
00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,480
someone else cos that would have
been consistent with

385
00:16:42,520 --> 00:16:43,640
what you were talking about...

386
00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:45,480
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font> ..cos it was part
of your downfall...

387
00:16:45,520 --> 00:16:48,000
<font color="#ffff00">100%.</font> ..along with the big wink.

388
00:16:48,040 --> 00:16:49,040
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font>

389
00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,880
<font color="#00ffff">The...</font> <font color="#ffff00">Yeah, the big wink.</font>
<font color="#00ffff">It was really subtle.</font>

390
00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,160
<font color="#ffff00">Super-duper subtle.</font>

391
00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,880
<font color="#ffff00">No, the switch of the vote</font>
<font color="#ffff00">was 100%...</font>

392
00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:04,120
<font color="#ffff00">..me literally anticipating being</font>

393
00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,000
<font color="#ffff00">THAT wrong...</font> Mm-hm.
<font color="#ffff00">..because I was SO convinced.</font>

394
00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,680
<font color="#ffff00">I was like, "There's no way</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that he's a Traitor and I'm not.</font>

395
00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:12,800
<font color="#ffff00">"That wouldn't be fair."</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I was like,</font>

396
00:17:12,840 --> 00:17:16,920
<font color="#ffff00">"If he really is a Traitor</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and he's duped me this crazy,</font>

397
00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,920
<font color="#ffff00">"I will hate myself</font>
<font color="#ffff00">for the rest of my life."</font>

398
00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,160
<font color="#ffff00">It's like, how dare you be</font>
<font color="#ffff00">a Traitor!</font>

399
00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:24,480
Now, Myha'la, obviously,
you winked at Richard

400
00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:28,320
and a few people picked up on this,
especially Julie.

401
00:17:28,360 --> 00:17:31,160
<font color="#00ff00">Myha'la winked at him</font>

402
00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:33,400
<font color="#00ff00">as she put her thing up.</font>

403
00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:34,400
{\an8}CLAUDIA:<font color="#00ffff">Myha'la.</font>

404
00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,320
{\an8}<font color="#00ff00">It was Traitor on Traitor.</font>

405
00:17:39,360 --> 00:17:41,680
{\an8}<font color="#00ff00">I've had to do this to save my skin.</font>

406
00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:44,080
{\an8}<font color="#00ff00">I saw it. I don't know</font>
<font color="#00ff00">if anybody else saw it.</font>

407
00:17:44,120 --> 00:17:47,760
{\an8}<font color="#00ff00">It was a wink of, "I've tried</font>
<font color="#00ff00">my best to defend you,</font>

408
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:51,040
{\an8}<font color="#00ff00">"but I have to throw you under</font>
<font color="#00ff00">the bus in order to survive."</font>

409
00:17:51,080 --> 00:17:53,680
<font color="#00ff00">And I am so, so excited</font>

410
00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:57,160
<font color="#00ff00">because I truly believe</font>
<font color="#00ff00">we can get two in a row.</font>

411
00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:00,520
Julie's come to play this game.
<font color="#00ff00">Yeah.</font> <font color="#ffff00">Mm.</font>

412
00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:03,000
<font color="#00ff00">Yeah, she's committed.</font>
Julie's going at 100mph.

413
00:18:03,040 --> 00:18:05,720
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font> <font color="#00ffff">I can't wait</font>
<font color="#00ffff">for her to be killed.</font>

414
00:18:09,040 --> 00:18:10,320
She was right in the sense

415
00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,640
that you winked at Richard
and you WERE saying,

416
00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:14,400
"I've tried to defend you
at this Round Table,

417
00:18:14,440 --> 00:18:15,960
"but I'm going to
have to vote for you."

418
00:18:16,000 --> 00:18:19,160
But you were doing that from
the perspective of a Faithful.

419
00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:23,920
<font color="#ffff00">That wink was, honest to God,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">outside of the game.</font>

420
00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:25,800
<font color="#ffff00">That was just for Richard.</font>

421
00:18:25,840 --> 00:18:30,080
<font color="#ffff00">It was like a kindred spirit.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Like, I see you.</font> Yeah.

422
00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:33,400
<font color="#ffff00">This has been really fun.</font> <font color="#00ff00">Oh!</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I have loved playing with you.</font>

423
00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:35,120
<font color="#ffff00">I know you're about to be gone</font>

424
00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,360
<font color="#ffff00">and I'll see you on the other side,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">is what that was.</font>

425
00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:38,520
<font color="#ffff00">I don't know if you got it,</font>

426
00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:41,440
<font color="#ffff00">but that's what it was meant</font>
<font color="#ffff00">to be, just for him.</font>

427
00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:43,000
That's lovely.
But, yeah, like you say,

428
00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:45,360
in a room full of people
and cameras...<font color="#ffff00">Yeah. Right.</font>

429
00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,400
..you can't...<font color="#00ffff">And 19 people.</font>
Before you wink, you need

430
00:18:47,440 --> 00:18:50,280
to say, "This is a non-game wink."
<font color="#ffff00">Right. Yeah.</font>

431
00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,080
<font color="#00ff00">I'm just going to wink,</font>
<font color="#00ff00">but it doesn't mean anything.</font>

432
00:18:52,120 --> 00:18:54,520
<font color="#ffff00">Everyone ignore this.</font> <font color="#00ff00">Yeah.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Everyone ignore this.</font>

433
00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:56,520
<font color="#00ffff">Send it as a Post-it.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah, I should have.</font>

434
00:18:56,560 --> 00:18:57,800
Charlotte, in the castle,

435
00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,160
do you automatically think anything
like a wink is suspicious?

436
00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:01,240
<font color="#00ff00">I mean, of course.</font>

437
00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:04,040
<font color="#00ff00">Like, as soon as you did it,</font>
<font color="#00ff00">I was just like, "Oh, no!</font>

438
00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:05,680
<font color="#00ff00">"What are you doing, babes?!"</font>

439
00:19:05,720 --> 00:19:08,000
<font color="#00ffff">Can you imagine if Ross</font>
<font color="#00ffff">had been winked at?</font>

440
00:19:08,040 --> 00:19:11,560
<font color="#ffff00">Oh, he would have fell off his</font>
<font color="#ffff00">chair.</font> <font color="#00ffff">He would have been a jelly.</font>

441
00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,560
<font color="#ffff00">Oh, my God.</font> He would have left.
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font>

442
00:19:13,600 --> 00:19:16,480
He would have got up and left.
<font color="#00ffff">"She winked at me!</font>

443
00:19:16,520 --> 00:19:18,200
<font color="#00ffff">"She winked at me."</font>
<font color="#00ff00">What does it mean?!</font>

444
00:19:18,240 --> 00:19:20,880
<font color="#00ff00">He would have literally thought it</font>
<font color="#00ff00">was wink-murder and keeled over.</font>

445
00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:23,600
<font color="#ffff00">He would have dropped dead,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">bless his heart.</font> Oh, man.

446
00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,600
Did you pick up on
the wink, Richard?

447
00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,520
Did you get...<font color="#00ffff">Of course I did.</font>
..all of the emotion in that wink?

448
00:19:27,560 --> 00:19:31,040
<font color="#00ffff">Yeah, I did. Because we were twinned</font>
<font color="#00ffff">instantly, the moment we met.</font>

449
00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,120
<font color="#ffff00">Like, we're homies. Like...</font>
<font color="#00ffff">Yeah, yeah.</font> <font color="#ffff00">..we get each other.</font>

450
00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:36,200
This is obviously a game
of relationships

451
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,920
when you get in there,
forming relationships,

452
00:19:37,960 --> 00:19:41,160
but also pre-existing relationships,
certainly with the celebrity game.

453
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:45,360
Did either of you two know anyone
else before you went in there?

454
00:19:45,400 --> 00:19:47,160
<font color="#ffff00">I didn't.</font> <font color="#00ffff">You didn't know anybody?</font>

455
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:50,320
<font color="#ffff00">I knew OF Bella</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and obviously I knew OF you.</font>

456
00:19:50,360 --> 00:19:52,800
What about you, Richard? We know,
obviously, you knew Jerry before

457
00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:54,600
going in.<font color="#00ffff">I knew Jerry.</font>
<font color="#00ffff">I'd met James Blunt.</font>

458
00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:56,880
<font color="#00ffff">I'd met Michael Sheen and...</font>

459
00:19:58,520 --> 00:20:03,200
<font color="#00ffff">..I had obviously watched Myha'la</font>
<font color="#00ffff">in Industry a lot, so...</font>

460
00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:06,960
<font color="#00ffff">And I'd been on James Acaster</font>
<font color="#00ffff">and Romesh's podcast.</font>

461
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:08,760
It's MY podcast, actually, Richard.

462
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:10,520
<font color="#ffff00">Oh!</font> <font color="#00ffff">Sorry. Your podcast.</font>

463
00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,480
I mean, it's not often I'm mistaken
for Romesh Ranganathan.

464
00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:19,800
How do you reflect on your time
playing the game, Myha'la?

465
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,520
<font color="#ffff00">I'm really glad I met Richard,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">made a new friend.</font>

466
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:24,120
<font color="#ffff00">I made so many friends.</font>

467
00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:30,000
<font color="#ffff00">It was like...one of the most</font>
<font color="#ffff00">difficult things I've ever done</font>

468
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,240
<font color="#ffff00">and I would do it again</font>
<font color="#ffff00">in a heartbeat.</font>

469
00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:34,480
And, Richard,
despite your early exit,

470
00:20:34,520 --> 00:20:37,520
you got to play your dream role
of being a Traitor.

471
00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:40,080
How did you find
that experience?<font color="#00ffff">Unique.</font>

472
00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:47,920
I love that now is the time

473
00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:51,960
you've chosen to say very little.
<font color="#00ff00">Yes! Few words.</font>

474
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,320
Well, we've run out of time here,
but the chat continues

475
00:20:54,360 --> 00:20:56,800
on BBC Sounds
in our extra bonus episode.

476
00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:58,920
We've got so much more to get into,
including Richard's

477
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:00,960
thoughts on his replacement
in the Turret, Hannah.

478
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,640
It's all in the bonus episode of
The Celebrity Traitors: Uncloaked

479
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,600
in your BBC Sounds app right now.

480
00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:09,440
You can find that in your app store
or scan the QR code on screen now.

481
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,640
We'll be back again tomorrow
night after episode four,

482
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,680
where I'll be joined
by Celebrity Traitor hunter

483
00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:16,360
Joe Marler and Traitor Wilf,
from series one, to unpack

484
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,360
all the latest goings-on
in the castle.

485
00:21:18,400 --> 00:21:20,840
Plus, we'll hear from either
Bash, Bella or James Blunt -

486
00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:24,000
whoever the Traitors decide to
murder from their current shortlist.

487
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:26,360
A massive thanks to Charlotte,
Frankie, Myha'la and Richard

488
00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,040
for joining me.
I'm Ed Gamble. Stay faithful.

489
00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,560
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE