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Hello, and welcome to the Celebrity
Traitors: Uncloaked, Episode Two.

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This is your official
video companion podcast with me...

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There's going to be a truckload
of spoilers for the second episode

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of the new series,

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so make sure you've watched that
on BBC iPlayer before this.

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Amol Rajan is here to give us his
reaction to being the first player

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to leave the game
in that shocking chapel twist.

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We'll discuss that dramatic
Round Table cliff-hanger,

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and make our predictions on which
celebrity will be banished first.

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Plus, we have some former players
joining us -

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Celebrity Traitors Series One
star Tameka Empson,

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along with Harriet from Series Four,

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and Jake from Series Three!

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{\an8}CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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So nice to have you all here.

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Tameka, Harriet, Jake,
thank you very much for joining me.

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A lot of stuff to talk about.

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A lot has happened
in these first two episodes.

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Tameka, what are you thinking
of the second series

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of Celebrity Traitors so far?

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<font color="#ffff00">Ah!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Ahhh!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I'm loving it.</font>
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<font color="#ffff00">I'm really loving it.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">But, my God, it takes me right back.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And that Round Table...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Oh, my gosh, there's so much to say!</font>

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Harriet, I know you feel the same.
<font color="#00ffff">Yes.</font>

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You're very happy that
we're onto a new series cycle now.

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<font color="#00ffff">I'm so, so happy to be moving</font>
<font color="#00ffff">into the spectator role.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I mean, watching it,</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">it's amazing so far.</font> <font color="#ffff00">Mm-hm.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I mean, I knew, from the moment</font>
<font color="#00ffff">the cast was announced,</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">quite how incredible it would be,</font>
<font color="#00ffff">and it is totally delivering.</font>

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And, obviously, you're known as
a bit of a Traitor hunter.

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As you are, Jake, as well.

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Harriet, who do you think
has what it takes

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to sniff out the Traitors in there?

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<font color="#00ffff">I think Julie has got</font>
<font color="#00ffff">a very, very sharp eye</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">for what's going on.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I was really impressed</font>
<font color="#00ffff">with how she was speaking</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">at the Round Table as well.</font>
<font color="#00ffff">I think that she will be very good.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">But she's going to need to make sure</font>
<font color="#00ffff">she keeps a lid on it,</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">so that people aren't too kind of</font>
<font color="#00ffff">suspicious of her suspicions.</font>

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Jake, as a former Faithful winner...
<font color="#00ff00">Yeah.</font>

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..out of Team Faithful this year,

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who do you think's got what it takes
to go all the way?

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<font color="#00ff00">Ooh... I do agree with Harriet -</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">I think Julie's got probably</font>
<font color="#00ff00">the best logic so far.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">I also like James Blunt.</font>
<font color="#00ff00">I think he comes...</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">I like what he said about sometimes</font>
<font color="#00ff00">the most obvious thing</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">is the most simple thing.</font> Yeah.

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<font color="#00ff00">Cos people like to just</font>
<font color="#00ff00">overcomplicate it too much,</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">where he thinks very logical.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">So I do think, if he can stay</font>
<font color="#00ff00">under the radar, he could go far.</font>

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I do like that he said that
at the Round Table -

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"Sometimes the most obvious,
simple thing

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"is the thing
that we should go for."<font color="#00ff00">Yeah.</font>

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But he wasn't talking about Richard
E Grant saying he was a Traitor.

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THEY LAUGH
<font color="#00ff00">No.</font>

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Which is surely
the most simple thing

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that's happened on the show so far.

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<font color="#00ffff">I mean, it's there on a plate,</font>
<font color="#00ffff">delivered.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Oh...</font>

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Look, we're only two episodes in.

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We've already had a recruitment,
a murder, graves, coffins,

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and a huge Round Table cliff-hanger.

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Tameka, let's talk
about recruitment.

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What do you think
of the latest Traitor recruitment?

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<font color="#ffff00">Well, the way they went about it</font>
<font color="#ffff00">weren't great.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Oh, I would have hated</font>
<font color="#ffff00">to have been in that room.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">James - he was so adamant</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and he was so after Richard.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And now that he's been recruited,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">it'll been very interesting to see</font>
<font color="#ffff00">how he's going to downplay that.</font>

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Yeah.<font color="#00ff00">But I don't think he should.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">I think he should stick just</font>
<font color="#00ff00">at Richard.</font> Yeah.

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<font color="#00ff00">Because it'd be harder</font>
<font color="#00ff00">for him to switch back</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">and be like, "Oh,</font>
<font color="#00ff00">it's not Richard any more."</font> <font color="#00ffff">Agreed.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">It's too complicated now to be like,</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">"Oh, yeah, you know what I said</font>
<font color="#00ff00">yesterday? Scrap that."</font> Yeah.

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<font color="#00ff00">Just doesn't work.</font>

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Do you think there's any chance
for Richard at this point?<font color="#00ff00">No.</font> <font color="#00ffff">No.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">There's so little to go on</font>
<font color="#00ffff">for the first Round Table.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I mean, you know, you're looking</font>
<font color="#00ffff">for people switching mood...</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">You're clutching at straws,</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">and you've just been given</font>
<font color="#00ffff">a massive great hay bale of them.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font> <font color="#00ffff">I think he's doomed.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">And if he isn't doomed, the Faithful</font>
<font color="#00ffff">do not deserve any kind of victory.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Wow.</font> <font color="#00ffff">I'm sorry.</font> <font color="#00ff00">Yeah.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Wait till we see it, babe!</font>
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<font color="#ffff00">You know what I mean?</font>
You've called it very early.

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<font color="#00ff00">Episode Two -</font>
<font color="#00ff00">"Faithfuls are doomed!"</font>

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"If they mess this up,
they do not deserve a win."

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<font color="#00ffff">I'm just saying how I see it.</font>
Yeah.<font color="#00ffff">Sorry.</font>

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So it wasn't all focused on Richard
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Obviously, we had some heat
on Leigh-Anne, Tameka.<font color="#ffff00">Yes.</font>

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Joanne's theory -
it's actually Hannah's theory

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that that Joanne then went,
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"I'm bringing that up
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that she put on make-up
very late in the evening.

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<font color="#ffff00">Well, one wants to touch up</font>
<font color="#ffff00">every so often.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Do you know what I mean?</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I don't see that as a big thing.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I hope Leigh-Anne can really defend</font>
<font color="#ffff00">herself on that one, though.</font> Yeah.

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<font color="#ffff00">Because I just think that...</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I mean, I suppose</font>
<font color="#ffff00">you are clutching at straws.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">It's, like, the first Round Table.</font>
Yeah.<font color="#ffff00">What do you have to go on?</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">I think it's in</font>
<font color="#00ff00">the top five worst ever,</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">like, in terms of, like, theories</font>
<font color="#00ff00">I've ever heard.</font> <font color="#ffff00">Yeah!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">She's touching up, a little</font>
<font color="#ffff00">touch-up.</font> <font color="#00ffff">Put on some lip gloss.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">You're on TV.</font>
<font color="#00ff00">She wants to look nice.</font> Yeah.

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<font color="#00ff00">You've got someone in the castle</font>
<font color="#00ff00">saying, "I am a Traitor."</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">"Nah. No. They put lip gloss on!"</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">And this girl put on lip gloss?</font>
<font color="#00ffff">"Absolutely." Yeah.</font>

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Kenny also got straight in
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The first thing that happened.
<font color="#ffff00">Ha! Kenny!</font>

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Richard E Grant has said
he's a Traitor,

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and you would have thought maybe
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maybe bring that up.

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He's straight in after Julie,

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because she was voted most
trustworthy at the church.<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">But, also, did you notice</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that when they were buried together,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">he's like, "Look, it's just me</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and you in here..."</font>

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THEY LAUGH
<font color="#ffff00">"Are you a Traitor?"</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I said, "Ken, man..."</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">You know, there's a camera here.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">But I love what he's doing.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I love what he's doing</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and how he's playing it.</font>

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But he's gone after Julie.

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So this is all based on this thing

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that happened in the church
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that Shields were handed out
to the most trustworthy.<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font>

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And then Julie got a chance
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and she gave it to Joe Lycett.

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This seems to have already had
a massive effect on the game.

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There's theories that that was them
selecting the Traitors.

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<font color="#ffff00">I know!</font> <font color="#00ff00">Again,</font>
<font color="#00ff00">another top five contender.</font>

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Yeah.<font color="#00ff00">It's just wild.</font>

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So you're saying, in one episode,
we've had two of the worst theories

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ever on Traitors?
<font color="#00ff00">All-time. Yeah, yeah.</font> <font color="#00ffff">Yeah.</font>

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So James Blunt's theory...<font color="#ffff00">Oh, yeah.</font>

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..which he said, "We've got
to look at the simple things,"

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that Amol was killed
cos he was a threat.<font color="#ffff00">Mm-hm.</font>

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But then the next biggest threat
is Hannah Fry.

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<font color="#ffff00">Sorry!</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">I thought he was going to say</font>
<font color="#00ff00">James Acaster.</font> <font color="#00ffff">I love that.</font>

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So Hannah must have been recruited.

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<font color="#00ffff">It was beautiful.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">That was hilarious.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">It was beautiful.</font> <font color="#ffff00">Hilarious.</font>

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Do you think people
are going to catch on to this?

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Do you think people are
going to start going after Hannah

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because of this?

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Cos she's obviously known as an
incredibly intelligent woman.<font color="#00ff00">Yeah.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I think it would be smart</font>
<font color="#00ffff">not to murder her.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I had thought she would be likely</font>
<font color="#00ffff">to be murdered next.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">But, actually, I'm wondering</font>
<font color="#00ffff">if it will be Jerry, just to...</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">The more people you can have in the</font>
<font color="#00ffff">mix to be thrown under suspicion,</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">the better.</font> <font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font>
<font color="#00ffff">I mean, just look at Ross.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">Just look at Ross and his...</font>
<font color="#00ffff">the hyper twitchiness.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">"She touched me on... Oh, my..."</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I was like...</font>

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That's one of my favourite moments
on Traitors ever.

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<font color="#00ffff">I love it. Love it so much.</font>

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It's the hat, and then the arm.
It's walking through...

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<font color="#ffff00">No, but it was the arm for me!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">But he actually was going one way,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and stopped,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">and gave her a look.</font>

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Full rotation.<font color="#ffff00">Mate!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I thought he was</font>
<font color="#ffff00">going to take her out.</font>

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THEY LAUGH

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<font color="#ffff00">But you know what I love about him</font>
<font color="#ffff00">as well? He's a team player.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">Oh!</font> <font color="#00ff00">Oh...</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">You want him on your team.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">That mission?</font> Yeah.
<font color="#00ff00">Oh, my God.</font> <font color="#00ffff">That man can dig.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">I loved the fact that they got</font>
<font color="#00ffff">everybody out. I thought that was...</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And his mentality, as well.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Because he's not playing it</font>
<font color="#ffff00">just for himself.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">He's like, "Get everybody out."</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Cos you need somebody like that.</font>
Yeah.

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<font color="#ffff00">You need somebody who's in control.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I mean, he's somebody</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that you want to stay in.</font>

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He's a machine, that man.
<font color="#ffff00">He's a machine.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">He's going to make sure</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that you get the money.</font>

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Tameka, have you worked with Ross
on EastEnders?

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Did you cross paths?
<font color="#ffff00">Yes, we have.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">We have crossed paths.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">He took me out of the Vic</font>
<font color="#ffff00">when it was burning down.</font>

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Oh, wow.<font color="#ffff00">So he saved Kim's life.</font>

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That's pretty intense.
<font color="#00ffff">He saved your life?</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Yeah, he saved my life.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I've been lifted by Ross.</font>

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And was he supposed to be there
that day, or did he just turn up?

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<font color="#00ffff">He heard...</font> <font color="#ffff00">You mean you don't</font>
<font color="#ffff00">watch EastEnders?</font>

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"We got to get people out of
this fire!"<font color="#00ffff">There was the Bat-Call.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Yeah! I felt...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I knew I was going to live.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I knew I was going to survive</font>
<font color="#ffff00">because he was there.</font> <font color="#00ffff">Yeah.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And he took me up.</font>

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And he loves me a mission, baby.

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<font color="#ffff00">Oh, yeah, he loves a mission.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Team Kemp!</font>

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Can we also take a moment
for Rob Beckett's running commentary

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on the players' fashion sense?

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{\an8}<font color="#00ff00">You can't sit like that with</font>
<font color="#00ff00">that jacket on.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#00ff00">You look like...</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#00ff00">You look like</font>
<font color="#00ff00">the Honey Monster's lost his head.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#00ff00">Mission time, James.</font>

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{\an8}<font color="#00ffff">Who are you with?</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">James Blunt, the bloke</font>
<font color="#00ff00">in the fighter pilot's outfit.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">Top Gun.</font> <font color="#ffff00">Tom Cruise!</font> <font color="#00ffff">Tom Cruise!</font>
Yeah.

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Also, shout out for Rob
in Episode One

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saying that Julie
looked like a cardinal.

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<font color="#00ffff">I've never seen anyone</font>
<font color="#00ffff">wear a Shield better.</font>

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Yeah, wear a Shield with the red.

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<font color="#00ffff">The Shield with the red</font>
<font color="#00ffff">was just perfection.</font> <font color="#ffff00">Oh...!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Whoa, man.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Oh, my... It's a funny series, mate.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">It's a funny series!</font> <font color="#00ffff">Very funny.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">I also love the fact that Rob</font>
<font color="#00ff00">and Romesh are both Faithfuls.</font> <font color="#00ffff">Yes.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">Cos I just feel like</font>
<font color="#00ff00">they're going to go at each other.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">If they're the last ones...</font>

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There was a moment in Episode One
where they took a moment,

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just them afterwards, and just went,
"Is it you?" "Is it you?"

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I think they know each other
so well.<font color="#00ff00">Yeah.</font> <font color="#ffff00">Yeah, yeah...</font>

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Surely they'll be able
to trust each other.

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<font color="#ffff00">Oh, that's a great partnership.</font>
<font color="#00ff00">You say that, though.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">But then after, like, a week...</font>
Yeah.

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<font color="#00ff00">..I reckon</font>
<font color="#00ff00">they'll start to doubt each other.</font>

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Cos, also, I think
that's what I would have expected,

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that one of them would have
been made a Traitor.<font color="#00ff00">Yeah.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">This is much cleverer.</font> Yeah.<font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font>

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Cos you just let the paranoia
happen.<font color="#00ffff">So much more fun.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">See how they play</font>
<font color="#ffff00">against each other.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Oh, it's a good series, guys.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Keep watching.</font> <font color="#00ffff">Yeah, yeah.</font>

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You heard! Tameka's told you now.
<font color="#ffff00">It's a good series.</font>

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You've got to keep watching, guys.
<font color="#ffff00">Keep watching, guys. Keep watching.</font>

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Now, tonight,
the Traitors had to pick

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between James Acaster
and Amol Rajan.

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One would be recruited,
the other murdered.

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They chose to send Amol
to his grave.

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So here's what he had to say just
moments after being murdered

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face-to-face up in Scotland.

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CHEERING

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Come on, soak it up, soak it up.

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Hi, Amol.<font color="#ffff00">Great to see you, brother.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">How are you?</font> Take a seat.

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Take a seat.<font color="#ffff00">How are you?</font>
How am I? How are you, more like?

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<font color="#ffff00">I wish I wasn't here, to be honest.</font>

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No-one wants to be
the first person out.

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But what a way to go.

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If you're going to be
the first murdered,

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to be in a coffin
and have the lid slammed on you,

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that's a pretty outrageous
and fun way to go.

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<font color="#ffff00">Tell me about that,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">because I've been...</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Honestly, I'm still making sense</font>
<font color="#ffff00">of what happened last night.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">It was crazy, one of the most</font>
<font color="#ffff00">intense experiences of my life.</font>

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Let's talk through the whole evening
for you, because...

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<font color="#ffff00">Thank you very much</font>
<font color="#ffff00">for making me relive this trauma.</font>

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Bit by bit, second by second,
we'll take you back through it.

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Maya and Richard - our Traitors, of
course - invited you to the chapel.

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But you didn't know this going in
when you saw the envelope.

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What's going through your head?

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<font color="#ffff00">So I see the envelope,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and I open it and I think,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">"Oh, God, here we go.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">This has been so much fun."</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And I read it, and it just doesn't</font>
<font color="#ffff00">say, "By the order of..."</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">It says, you know, "You're invited</font>
<font color="#ffff00">to this secret meeting."</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And in a way that I may almost</font>
<font color="#ffff00">certainly come to regret,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I believed - foolishly and naively,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and slightly too eagerly -</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">that I'm not going to die.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I'm possibly being recruited.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I got excited. I got my hopes up.</font>

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And you know what? I think everyone
would feel that in your situation.

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<font color="#ffff00">Thank you very much.</font>

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And I don't want you to think, Amol,
that, you know,

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I was sat there watching it,
rooting for James,

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and wanting you to be killed,
because it was win-win for me.

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I want my friend to get further

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and have the experience of
being a Traitor. That's wonderful.

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But do you have any idea
how funny it would have been

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if he was the first one murdered?

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So, look, your experience
might have been short, Amol,

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but could you sum the experience up
for us in three words?

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<font color="#ffff00">Blessed.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Brutal.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And unforgettable.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">Aww.</font> And we've dug him up.

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Fresh from his coffin,

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it's Amol Rajan!

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Welcome, Amol.

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CHEERING

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<font color="#00ffff">Whoa!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Hey, I survived, man.</font>

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You survived, you're here.<font color="#ffff00">I'm</font>
<font color="#ffff00">a real person. I'm actually here.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I got out of the coffin,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that's all that matters.</font> Yeah.

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Look, now some time has passed,
how are you feeling?

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<font color="#ffff00">It's hard not to watch it</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and think I...</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Obviously with 20/20 hindsight,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I played the wrong game.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">That was a crazy, crazy,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">once-in-a-lifetime thing.</font>

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Well, I do want to say, I think
you're being too down on yourself.

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You're being too hard on yourself,
saying you played the wrong game.

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Because I think
you didn't have a chance

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to really, like,
establish the game.

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Like, you asked Richard
some questions,

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which anyone
should have been asking,

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because he said he was a Traitor.

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<font color="#ffff00">But I knew...</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">If I'm honest, Ed, I knew fame</font>
<font color="#ffff00">is this kind of mask</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">that you kind of go in with.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And people think they know you,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">cos they might know your character,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">but, actually, they don't.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And I knew that the character</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that I was going in as</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">was the journalist</font>
<font color="#ffff00">who asks awkward questions.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">So I was...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">A bit like from Episode Two -</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">it's clear that Hannah is someone</font>
<font color="#ffff00">who's a target straight away.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And I told myself in advance,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">"Just shut up.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">"Shut up. Just don't...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Just shut up, man."</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">I do think you've just been</font>
<font color="#00ff00">a bit unfortunate, though.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">Because I went straight for Linda,</font>
<font color="#00ff00">and I survived.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">So there's no right or wrong.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Oh, cheers, mate.</font>

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THEY LAUGH

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<font color="#00ff00">What I'm trying to say is, though...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Are you here to make me feel better?</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">You sit me next to a former winner,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">as well.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">Just to show you the difference</font>
<font color="#ffff00">between someone gets to the end</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">and someone who gets knocked out.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">I'm trying to show you that, like,</font>
<font color="#00ff00">it's just unfortunate timing.</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">I believe if it wasn't for</font>
<font color="#00ff00">that recruitment,</font>

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<font color="#00ff00">you would have been all right.</font>
<font color="#00ffff">Yeah, I agree.</font>

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Yeah, because the Traitors
wouldn't normally murder someone

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who was immediately onto them.
<font color="#00ff00">No.</font> <font color="#00ffff">No.</font>

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Because that feels like an easy way
of putting a red flag up.

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But then Richard had already
put up the biggest flag

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we've ever seen
in the history of Traitors.

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<font color="#ffff00">What was that about?</font> Yeah.

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THEY LAUGH

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<font color="#ffff00">I mean, no-one's ever</font>
<font color="#ffff00">done that before.</font> <font color="#00ffff">No, no.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And, I mean, who knows what...</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">I think the one tactic</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that you should try to abide by</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">is to keep a little bit, you know,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">fly under the radar a little bit.</font>

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For the first few days.

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<font color="#ffff00">You just shut up</font>
<font color="#ffff00">for the first few shows.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And I just...I just...</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">But do you know what?</font>
<font color="#00ffff">Maybe you're just passionate.</font> Yes.

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<font color="#00ffff">And you can't help but be you.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Oh, thanks.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">Do you know what I mean?</font>
<font color="#00ffff">And I think that's what happened.</font>

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You didn't get where you are today
by shutting up.<font color="#00ffff">Yeah!</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">This has turned into therapy,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I love it.</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">Lie down on the couch. Move over.</font>
THEY LAUGH

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<font color="#00ffff">Move over. Lie down.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">You want me to tell you</font>
<font color="#ffff00">all about my mother?</font>

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How was it,
watching the chapel experience back?

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Did it remind you of
what was going through your head?

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<font color="#ffff00">So it was absolutely terrifying</font>
<font color="#ffff00">watching it back.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And I don't know about you guys,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">but I don't go to chapels</font>
<font color="#ffff00">very often.</font>

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THEY LAUGH

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<font color="#ffff00">And when I do,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I don't see Traitors,</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">and I don't see James Acaster</font>
<font color="#ffff00">looking baffled.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And I'm thinking,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">"What?! What is it?"</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And I've been on</font>
<font color="#ffff00">this mad roller-coaster until then.</font>

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<font color="#ffff00">And then Claudia comes out.</font>

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Harriet, you had your own chapel
moment in your series, of course.

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<font color="#00ffff">Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.</font>

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So that obviously brought back
some memories, watching that.

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<font color="#00ffff">That was triggering. It's-it's...</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">What you were saying earlier</font>
<font color="#00ffff">about the fear of it,</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">honestly, that was the most</font>
<font color="#00ffff">terrifying experience of my life,</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">walking into the chapel</font>
<font color="#00ffff">knowing that there were...</font>

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<font color="#00ffff">Well, I mean, I thought</font>
<font color="#00ffff">there were, what, five Traitors</font>

363
00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:21,960
<font color="#00ffff">behind the confessional screen.</font>
<font color="#00ffff">But it's so atmospheric.</font>

364
00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,040
<font color="#ffff00">There's so much going on.</font>

365
00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:25,680
<font color="#ffff00">You've been on</font>
<font color="#ffff00">such a kind of roller-coaster -</font>

366
00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:27,160
<font color="#ffff00">"Am I going to be the first out?</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Am I not?</font>

367
00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,080
<font color="#ffff00">"Am I getting recruited or...?"</font>
<font color="#ffff00">It was only when Claudia said,</font>

368
00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:32,560
<font color="#ffff00">"You're going to have to plead,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and face-to-face,"</font>

369
00:14:32,600 --> 00:14:34,320
<font color="#ffff00">I think that's where I just</font>
<font color="#ffff00">sort of, like, crumbled</font>

370
00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:35,960
<font color="#ffff00">and I'm like, "Oh, this is just..."</font>

371
00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,640
<font color="#00ff00">No, what made me laugh was,</font>
<font color="#00ff00">"After you, James..."!</font>

372
00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,600
<font color="#ffff00">"After you, James!"</font> <font color="#00ff00">Oh, yeah...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">"After you, James."</font>

373
00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,600
<font color="#00ffff">Yeah, was that to try</font>
<font color="#00ffff">and get to see what he said first</font>

374
00:14:44,640 --> 00:14:47,400
<font color="#00ffff">so you could beat it?</font>
<font color="#00ffff">Was that your thought process?</font>

375
00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,400
<font color="#ffff00">To be honest, I was buying time.</font>

376
00:14:49,440 --> 00:14:53,360
Do you do you regret that decision
now, going second?

377
00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,560
Cos obviously he made his plea,

378
00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,600
and then you followed up
with your plea,

379
00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:00,040
and I think you had
some similar points to his plea,

380
00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:02,640
and whether that may have damaged
your chances of being recruited.

381
00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,280
<font color="#ffff00">And it's interesting, Richard said,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">didn't he, in Episode Two,</font>

382
00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:07,880
<font color="#ffff00">that he was quite persuaded</font>
<font color="#ffff00">by one of James's points</font>

383
00:15:07,920 --> 00:15:09,720
<font color="#ffff00">about how he could deflect.</font> Yeah.

384
00:15:09,760 --> 00:15:12,480
<font color="#ffff00">And obviously that word "deflect"</font>
<font color="#ffff00">helped Richard an awful lot.</font>

385
00:15:12,520 --> 00:15:14,960
<font color="#ffff00">I don't think I would have done</font>
<font color="#ffff00">a better job going first.</font> Yeah.

386
00:15:15,000 --> 00:15:17,160
<font color="#ffff00">But when you're lying down</font>
<font color="#ffff00">in that coffin...</font>

387
00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,400
<font color="#ffff00">..you want one thing so much,</font>

388
00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:23,640
<font color="#ffff00">which is to be recruited,</font>

389
00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:26,680
<font color="#ffff00">and you want the other thing</font>
<font color="#ffff00">so little.</font>

390
00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:28,440
<font color="#ffff00">Like, obviously I wish</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I'd been chosen</font>

391
00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:29,920
<font color="#ffff00">and I wish I'd been a Traitor.</font>

392
00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,760
<font color="#ffff00">I can say, hand on heart,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that if I'd been chosen</font>

393
00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,560
<font color="#ffff00">as a Traitor in the first -</font>
<font color="#ffff00">when Maya and Richard were -</font>

394
00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:39,280
<font color="#ffff00">if I'd got the nod at the, er...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">or the tap at the Round Table,</font>

395
00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:40,680
<font color="#ffff00">I think it would have</font>
<font color="#ffff00">thrown me a bit.</font>

396
00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:42,480
<font color="#ffff00">I'd be like, "What am I doing?</font>
<font color="#ffff00">What's going...?"</font>

397
00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,960
<font color="#ffff00">Having genuinely</font>
<font color="#ffff00">spent a day as a Faithful,</font>

398
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,680
<font color="#ffff00">if I'd then been recruited,</font>

399
00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,600
<font color="#ffff00">I think I would have been</font>
<font color="#ffff00">quite a good Traitor</font>

400
00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:52,160
<font color="#ffff00">because I'd actually known</font>
<font color="#ffff00">what it was like to be a Faithful.</font>

401
00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:54,000
Yeah.<font color="#00ffff">Yeah.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I know it sounds a bit weird,</font>

402
00:15:54,040 --> 00:15:55,880
<font color="#ffff00">but if I'd been recruited</font>
<font color="#ffff00">as a Traitor,</font>

403
00:15:55,920 --> 00:15:59,080
<font color="#ffff00">I sort of had learnt the script...</font>
Yeah.<font color="#ffff00">..for a day about saying,</font>

404
00:15:59,120 --> 00:16:01,160
<font color="#ffff00">"Look, guys, I'm a Faithful</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and I'm telling you,</font>

405
00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:02,840
<font color="#ffff00">"this is what you need to know."</font>
<font color="#ffff00">So I think...</font>

406
00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:05,360
<font color="#ffff00">Doesn't everyone think they would</font>
<font color="#ffff00">have been a great Traitor, though?</font>

407
00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:06,720
<font color="#00ffff">No, but I do, I can see it,</font>

408
00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:08,840
<font color="#00ffff">I could see you've got</font>
<font color="#00ffff">the right sort of mindset</font>

409
00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,680
<font color="#00ffff">that you're...you're ruthless enough</font>
<font color="#00ffff">to be a Traitor.</font>

410
00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:12,920
<font color="#00ffff">Cos I think being a Traitor</font>

411
00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:16,080
<font color="#00ffff">isn't just about,</font>
<font color="#00ffff">um, obviously murdering people -</font>

412
00:16:16,120 --> 00:16:18,760
<font color="#00ffff">you've got to be ruthless enough</font>
<font color="#00ffff">to not have too many connections.</font>

413
00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:20,120
<font color="#00ffff">Cos people get too emotional,</font>

414
00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,040
<font color="#00ffff">and I think quite often</font>
<font color="#00ffff">a Traitor's downfall</font>

415
00:16:22,080 --> 00:16:24,080
<font color="#00ffff">is they get too connected</font>
<font color="#00ffff">to the Faithfuls</font>

416
00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,480
<font color="#00ffff">because I think you...</font>
<font color="#00ffff">I don't know you very well,</font>

417
00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,920
<font color="#00ffff">but I think you'd have</font>
<font color="#00ffff">that kind of distinct, like,</font>

418
00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:32,400
<font color="#00ffff">"Now I'm going to be a Traitor.</font>
<font color="#00ffff">I can be a friend during the day,</font>

419
00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:33,680
<font color="#00ffff">"but I can be a killer</font>
<font color="#00ffff">at night-time."</font>

420
00:16:33,720 --> 00:16:34,720
<font color="#00ffff">Do you know what I mean?</font>

421
00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,240
<font color="#ffff00">I feel like</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I've known you for years, mate.</font>

422
00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,080
<font color="#00ffff">And that's a compliment, I think.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah!</font>

423
00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:40,840
What you said to Richard was,

424
00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,240
"I can help deflect
all the heat away from you."

425
00:16:44,280 --> 00:16:46,160
Did you mean that in your plea?

426
00:16:46,200 --> 00:16:49,520
<font color="#ffff00">Well, no, because I was hating</font>
<font color="#ffff00">on him quite a lot at the time.</font>

427
00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:51,480
<font color="#ffff00">I was thinking...</font> Would you
have gone in the next day,

428
00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:53,800
had you been recruited, and tried
to get the heat off Richard's back,

429
00:16:53,840 --> 00:16:56,080
or would you have played it exactly
as you had done the previous day?

430
00:16:56,120 --> 00:16:57,960
<font color="#ffff00">Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">No, if you're in there...</font>

431
00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,840
<font color="#ffff00">If you're on the team,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">you're on the team, you know?</font>

432
00:16:59,880 --> 00:17:01,040
<font color="#ffff00">And, um...if I'd been...</font>

433
00:17:01,080 --> 00:17:04,640
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah, watching Episode Two</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and the Round Table,</font>

434
00:17:04,680 --> 00:17:06,080
<font color="#ffff00">I was wondering whether or not</font>

435
00:17:06,120 --> 00:17:09,640
<font color="#ffff00">Maya was going to come to</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Richard's defence a little bit more.</font>

436
00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:13,440
<font color="#ffff00">And I like that decoy thing of like,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">where you kind of...</font>

437
00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,120
<font color="#ffff00">If I'd been Maya,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I'd have been like,</font>

438
00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:17,320
<font color="#ffff00">"Richard, obviously</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I'm looking at you as well,</font>

439
00:17:17,360 --> 00:17:18,360
<font color="#ffff00">"but I actually think X..."</font>

440
00:17:18,400 --> 00:17:20,920
<font color="#ffff00">Like, I would have tried to be</font>
<font color="#ffff00">slightly too clever about it.</font>

441
00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:22,440
<font color="#ffff00">But I would have</font>
<font color="#ffff00">come to Richard's...</font>

442
00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,040
<font color="#ffff00">I would have come</font>
<font color="#ffff00">to Richard's defence.</font>

443
00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,040
Because this is why
Richard decided to recruit James,

444
00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:27,760
so he could defend him
at the Round Table.

445
00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:30,040
And James said nothing.<font color="#00ff00">Nothing!</font>

446
00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,640
<font color="#00ff00">He ain't got the heart for it.</font>

447
00:17:31,680 --> 00:17:33,720
So you feel like part
of your downfall

448
00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,960
was the, er...
the going after Richard so quickly.

449
00:17:37,000 --> 00:17:40,200
Um, you wasted no time confronting
Richard in the billiard room.

450
00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,880
Let's see how that played out.
<font color="#ffff00">Oh, dear.</font>

451
00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:46,440
<font color="#ffff00">I'm feeling very excited</font>
<font color="#ffff00">to chat to you.</font>

452
00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:48,280
<font color="#00ffff">OK.</font>

453
00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,280
<font color="#ffff00">What happened last night?</font>

454
00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,160
<font color="#ffff00">You are the lord of chaos.</font>
<font color="#00ffff">Well, the game had actually started.</font>

455
00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,040
<font color="#00ffff">I was so relieved that it started</font>

456
00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,440
<font color="#00ffff">because I had been</font>
<font color="#00ffff">so blatant about saying</font>

457
00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,400
<font color="#00ffff">that I came into this thing,</font>
<font color="#00ffff">and it's called Traitors,</font>

458
00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:05,200
<font color="#00ffff">because I wanted to be a Traitor.</font>

459
00:18:05,240 --> 00:18:07,440
<font color="#00ffff">So when I walked into the bar</font>
<font color="#00ffff">and somebody said,</font>

460
00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:08,720
<font color="#00ffff">"So are you a Faithful</font>
<font color="#00ffff">or a Traitor?"</font>

461
00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:11,040
<font color="#00ffff">I said, "I'm a Traitor, of course!"</font>

462
00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:12,360
THEY LAUGH

463
00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,800
<font color="#00ff00">Ha-ha!</font>

464
00:18:13,840 --> 00:18:15,720
What do we think of Richard's
defence there?

465
00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,160
At the time, did you think
that was a cogent defence?

466
00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,280
<font color="#ffff00">I'm just so annoyed at myself,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">watching that back.</font> <font color="#00ff00">Aw!</font>

467
00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:22,840
<font color="#ffff00">It's just so obvious. It's all ju...</font>

468
00:18:22,880 --> 00:18:26,080
<font color="#ffff00">In hindsight it's just all</font>
<font color="#ffff00">so obvious now, I mean... Oh!</font>

469
00:18:26,120 --> 00:18:27,960
<font color="#ffff00">No, Richard...</font>

470
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,080
<font color="#ffff00">..is very, very hard</font>
<font color="#ffff00">cos he's a brilliant actor.</font> Mm.

471
00:18:31,120 --> 00:18:33,000
<font color="#ffff00">He's a brilliant actor.</font>

472
00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,120
<font color="#ffff00">And Traitors is a game</font>
<font color="#ffff00">where you act.</font>

473
00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:37,720
<font color="#ffff00">And he's a very, very unusual guy.</font>

474
00:18:37,760 --> 00:18:40,600
<font color="#ffff00">He's a very... He's a very...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">He looks extraordinary,</font>

475
00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:42,960
<font color="#ffff00">he's got this amazing voice,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">he projects.</font>

476
00:18:43,000 --> 00:18:45,720
<font color="#ffff00">He dresses in this kind</font>
<font color="#ffff00">of flamboyant sort of way.</font>

477
00:18:45,760 --> 00:18:48,040
<font color="#ffff00">He's very...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Like, he is this lord of chaos.</font>

478
00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,440
<font color="#ffff00">He's this... There's this kind</font>
<font color="#ffff00">of whirlwind going through...</font>

479
00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:52,320
<font color="#ffff00">..and it's, like,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">called Richard E Grant.</font>

480
00:18:52,360 --> 00:18:54,520
<font color="#ffff00">If, you know,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I hadn't gone into the chapel,</font>

481
00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,720
<font color="#ffff00">I remember thinking at the time,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">"When it comes to the Round Table,</font>

482
00:18:57,760 --> 00:19:00,000
<font color="#ffff00">"I've got such little information,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I'm going to go after Richard."</font>

483
00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,800
Yeah.<font color="#ffff00">That was... So that was...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">That was what I was thinking.</font>

484
00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,120
<font color="#ffff00">I was like, my... He was</font>
<font color="#ffff00">definitely in my kind of suspicions</font>

485
00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,480
<font color="#ffff00">even after that. But you know,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">watching that back,</font>

486
00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,240
<font color="#ffff00">I just think,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">"Why didn't I just...</font>

487
00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:12,800
<font color="#ffff00">"..follow the game plan?</font>
<font color="#ffff00">You know, just shut up."</font>

488
00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,200
<font color="#00ff00">You were true to yourself.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I don't want to...</font>

489
00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,440
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah, but you're not meant to be</font>
<font color="#ffff00">true to yourself!</font>

490
00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,640
<font color="#ffff00">Literally! Literally,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">this is where...</font> <font color="#00ffff">Rule one.</font>

491
00:19:20,680 --> 00:19:22,360
<font color="#ffff00">Rule one - lie.</font>

492
00:19:22,400 --> 00:19:25,800
<font color="#ffff00">Lie to everyone about everything</font>
<font color="#ffff00">all the time,</font>

493
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,120
<font color="#ffff00">especially yourself.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Like, just like, play the game.</font>

494
00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:30,160
<font color="#ffff00">And I know... It's funny,</font>

495
00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:31,840
<font color="#ffff00">I'm interested to see</font>
<font color="#ffff00">how it all plays out.</font>

496
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:33,200
Amol, did you have any suspicions

497
00:19:33,240 --> 00:19:35,280
on other people
before you went into the chapel?

498
00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:37,960
Had you sniffed out any other
sort of lies or suspicions?

499
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,880
<font color="#ffff00">I'd love to pretend I had.</font>

500
00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:41,480
<font color="#ffff00">I've got to say there was... I mean,</font>

501
00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:45,400
<font color="#ffff00">Ross Kemp is this, like, walking,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">talking festival of paranoia.</font>

502
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,760
<font color="#ffff00">And I think that if you spent</font>
<font color="#ffff00">enough time in war zones,</font>

503
00:19:47,800 --> 00:19:49,040
<font color="#ffff00">as he has done,</font>

504
00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,880
<font color="#ffff00">and you spent enough time sort of</font>
<font color="#ffff00">with hard nuts, as he has done,</font>

505
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:54,400
<font color="#ffff00">you can see why everyone's</font>
<font color="#ffff00">trying to kill you all the time.</font> Mm.

506
00:19:54,440 --> 00:19:56,360
<font color="#ffff00">But in retrospect,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">it's just so funny.</font>

507
00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,480
<font color="#ffff00">Let's see what happens.</font>

508
00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:58,560
<font color="#ffff00">But I just want people to know,</font>

509
00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,480
<font color="#ffff00">Ross Kemp would not shut up</font>
<font color="#ffff00">about being murdered in plain sight.</font>

510
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:04,800
<font color="#ffff00">And there's two chapters.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">First of all, there was Bella.</font>

511
00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:07,080
<font color="#ffff00">"Why has that hat got on me?</font>
<font color="#ffff00">What...?"</font>

512
00:20:07,120 --> 00:20:09,040
<font color="#ffff00">"I just got a hat put on me</font>
<font color="#ffff00">out of nowhere."</font>

513
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,120
<font color="#ffff00">And then the arm and it was, like,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">"Oh, my God, Ross," and he was...</font>

514
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,720
<font color="#ffff00">So I thought Ross might have been</font>
<font color="#ffff00">playing a clever, clever game.</font>

515
00:20:14,760 --> 00:20:17,400
My favourite moment, that,
cos I've watched it a few times now,

516
00:20:17,440 --> 00:20:19,880
cos it's one of my favourite things
that's ever happened on Traitors,

517
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:21,720
I think. The hat is incredible,

518
00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,280
the rub on the arm and the full turn
to look at Leigh-Anne.<font color="#00ff00">Full turn.</font>

519
00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,120
But then it's
when he walks into the room

520
00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:28,280
and he goes,
"Oh, lads, it's happened again."

521
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,480
THEY LAUGH

522
00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:32,920
So, what, you think
you've been murdered twice now?

523
00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,400
<font color="#00ffff">He's still alive!</font> <font color="#ffff00">Yeah, yeah, yeah,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">exactly, yeah, exactly.</font>

524
00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:37,560
You think they've double killed you?
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah, exactly.</font>

525
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,880
<font color="#ffff00">He kept... He was so funny. He was</font>
<font color="#ffff00">like, "Why would she do that?"</font>

526
00:20:40,920 --> 00:20:42,000
We talked a lot about Richard,

527
00:20:42,040 --> 00:20:44,920
but we should talk about Maya
as a Traitor and how she's doing.

528
00:20:44,960 --> 00:20:47,040
Amol, how do you think Maya's doing?

529
00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:49,240
Because you seemed surprised
to see her under that hood.

530
00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:52,760
<font color="#ffff00">I really liked Maya,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and we were getting on so well.</font>

531
00:20:52,800 --> 00:20:56,080
<font color="#ffff00">And when she came forth in</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that chapel and she took the hood,</font>

532
00:20:56,120 --> 00:20:58,000
<font color="#ffff00">I actually felt</font>
<font color="#ffff00">a little bit let down,</font>

533
00:20:58,040 --> 00:20:59,640
<font color="#ffff00">and I felt a little bit like,</font>

534
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:02,160
<font color="#ffff00">"But what happened</font>
<font color="#ffff00">to our budding relationship?"</font>

535
00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,520
<font color="#ffff00">I don't mean that in a... We were,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">like, getting on really well.</font>

536
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:06,440
"Was anything real?"<font color="#ffff00">Exactly!</font>

537
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:10,160
<font color="#ffff00">I kind of like, I was just like...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">She was...</font>

538
00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:12,600
<font color="#ffff00">She was in the zone!</font> Yeah, yeah.

539
00:21:12,640 --> 00:21:15,920
<font color="#ffff00">She was in the zone.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">She was like, focused,</font>

540
00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:19,040
<font color="#ffff00">absolute straight-faced. There</font>
<font color="#ffff00">was...she was giving nothing away.</font>

541
00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,800
<font color="#ffff00">So I was a little bit like,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">"Wow, you are evil."</font>

542
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,480
Why do you think
that Maya and Richard

543
00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,240
chose to murder Amol in the end,
and not James Acaster?

544
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,120
That's a question
to all three of you.

545
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:30,840
<font color="#00ffff">I think you were the bigger threat.</font>

546
00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,320
<font color="#00ffff">I think that's what the reason was.</font>
<font color="#00ffff">I think James,</font>

547
00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:36,080
<font color="#00ffff">maybe they could manipulate more</font>
<font color="#00ffff">and kind of get him onside,</font>

548
00:21:36,120 --> 00:21:38,280
<font color="#00ffff">whereas I think they'd seen you</font>
<font color="#00ffff">as more of a threat.</font>

549
00:21:38,320 --> 00:21:40,480
<font color="#00ffff">Maybe they didn't believe</font>
<font color="#00ffff">that you would deflect.</font>

550
00:21:40,520 --> 00:21:42,720
<font color="#00ffff">I think maybe they thought</font>
<font color="#00ffff">there's a higher chance</font>

551
00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,280
<font color="#00ffff">that Richard would get banished</font>
<font color="#00ffff">if you were to stick around.</font>

552
00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:47,520
<font color="#00ffff">That's my thought process.</font>

553
00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:51,520
<font color="#00ff00">Everything that he said.</font> Yeah?
<font color="#00ff00">Yeah. No, I do think so.</font>

554
00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:53,880
<font color="#00ff00">I think that as well,</font>
<font color="#00ff00">because I think...</font>

555
00:21:53,920 --> 00:21:57,840
<font color="#00ff00">Maybe it's because of your job,</font>
<font color="#00ff00">that you wouldn't let it go,</font>

556
00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:02,800
<font color="#00ff00">do you know? And I think that,</font>
<font color="#00ff00">again, if they were to recruit you,</font>

557
00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,360
<font color="#00ff00">how faithful would you be</font>
<font color="#00ff00">to the Traitors?</font>

558
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:10,280
<font color="#00ff00">Do you know what I mean? Would you</font>
<font color="#00ff00">really be a team player as well?</font>

559
00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,480
<font color="#ffff00">I think it would...</font>

560
00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:17,040
<font color="#ffff00">Everybody knows you're</font>
<font color="#ffff00">a journalist with great tenacity.</font>

561
00:22:17,080 --> 00:22:19,440
<font color="#ffff00">For you to have done</font>
<font color="#ffff00">a switch overnight,</font>

562
00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:22,960
<font color="#ffff00">not to be going after Richard,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">would have been...</font>

563
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:24,560
<font color="#ffff00">It would have been impossible.</font>

564
00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,360
<font color="#ffff00">And I think Richard would have known</font>

565
00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,960
<font color="#ffff00">that you were going to have to keep</font>
<font color="#ffff00">going at him for your own survival.</font>

566
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:32,360
<font color="#ffff00">And it really was</font>
<font color="#ffff00">between him and you.</font>

567
00:22:32,400 --> 00:22:35,200
<font color="#ffff00">I mean, it's a compliment, really...</font>
<font color="#00ffff">You're basically too smart.</font>

568
00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,840
<font color="#ffff00">..to be the first to go</font>
<font color="#ffff00">in this situation.</font>

569
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,400
<font color="#00ff00">Yeah, you're too good, man.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">You know, you did too well.</font>

570
00:22:39,440 --> 00:22:42,640
<font color="#00ffff">You should have got on your hands</font>
<font color="#00ffff">and knees and begged.</font> <font color="#ffff00">Yeah.</font>

571
00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,160
<font color="#00ffff">That's what you should have done.</font>

572
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,760
<font color="#ffff00">Yeah. That's all...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">That's very, very nice of you guys.</font>

573
00:22:46,800 --> 00:22:49,320
Would you...? What would your game
plan as a Traitor have been?

574
00:22:49,360 --> 00:22:52,080
Do you have an idea of who you would
have wanted to murder first?

575
00:22:52,120 --> 00:22:55,440
<font color="#ffff00">I really love the thing that...</font>

576
00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,120
<font color="#ffff00">In the Stephen and Rachel series,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">um,</font>

577
00:22:58,160 --> 00:23:00,320
<font color="#ffff00">where it was just like</font>
<font color="#ffff00">doing something completely random,</font>

578
00:23:00,360 --> 00:23:02,280
<font color="#ffff00">just like, they'll be...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Everyone's going to...</font>

579
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,440
<font color="#ffff00">Do something that throws them off,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that makes them think...</font>

580
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,200
<font color="#ffff00">So I'd have chosen random people</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that you couldn't explain.</font>

581
00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:10,160
<font color="#ffff00">So, I mean, Hannah Fry,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">who's, er...not for nothing,</font>

582
00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:12,040
<font color="#ffff00">a professor and one of</font>
<font color="#ffff00">the smartest people in Britain,</font>

583
00:23:12,080 --> 00:23:14,840
<font color="#ffff00">and one of the nicest, had that</font>
<font color="#ffff00">lovely moment in the Round Table</font>

584
00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:17,360
<font color="#ffff00">where I thought</font>
<font color="#ffff00">she was clever in her saying,</font>

585
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:19,280
<font color="#ffff00">"These Traitors are not confident,</font>

586
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:21,560
<font color="#ffff00">"because they've picked off someone</font>
<font color="#ffff00">who they see as a threat.</font>

587
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:23,600
<font color="#ffff00">"That's not a confident move."</font> <font color="#00ffff">Mm.</font>

588
00:23:23,640 --> 00:23:25,880
<font color="#ffff00">And I think... I mean, we'll see</font>
<font color="#ffff00">what happens with Hannah,</font>

589
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,840
<font color="#ffff00">but I think there is a thing</font>
<font color="#ffff00">where, if you do the obvious thing,</font>

590
00:23:29,880 --> 00:23:32,160
<font color="#ffff00">everyone...</font>
<font color="#ffff00">you're giving, leaving information.</font>

591
00:23:32,200 --> 00:23:33,960
<font color="#ffff00">If you do something</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that's not obvious...</font>

592
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:36,440
<font color="#ffff00">So I'd have targeted</font>
<font color="#ffff00">someone literally quite random.</font>

593
00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:37,960
<font color="#ffff00">I'd have ta... I'd have...</font>

594
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:40,360
<font color="#ffff00">If I'd been a Traitor,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I'd have gone, "OK, Bash..."</font>

595
00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:43,360
<font color="#ffff00">So Bash - incredibly</font>
<font color="#ffff00">interesting player, right?</font>

596
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:44,840
<font color="#ffff00">Um, he says in one of the episodes</font>

597
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,240
<font color="#ffff00">that he's, you know,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">he's really, really into the game.</font>

598
00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:50,720
<font color="#ffff00">He mastered the lie-low.</font> <font color="#00ff00">Yes.</font>
<font color="#ffff00">Right?</font>

599
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,960
<font color="#ffff00">Bash and Sharon are the ones</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that just seem to be,</font>

600
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,800
<font color="#ffff00">like, just taking it all in,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">gathering information.</font>

601
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,160
<font color="#ffff00">And had I been a Traitor,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I would have thought,</font>

602
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:02,400
<font color="#ffff00">"Let's just confuse people</font>
<font color="#ffff00">by going after</font>

603
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:05,760
<font color="#ffff00">"and just murdering someone</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that they just don't understand."</font>

604
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,200
Amol, do you think
that the Faithful will cotton on

605
00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:11,800
to James Acaster as a Traitor?

606
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,120
Because obviously
the comedian theories flying around,

607
00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,200
do you think they're going
to start picking up on something?

608
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:20,040
<font color="#ffff00">I think James's, um, awkwardness,</font>

609
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,360
<font color="#ffff00">because of that,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">he's liable to leave very few clues.</font>

610
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,040
<font color="#ffff00">So I don't think</font>
<font color="#ffff00">that he's an obvious candidate.</font>

611
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:29,960
<font color="#ffff00">It's people like Ross</font>
<font color="#ffff00">who are just...</font>

612
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,320
<font color="#ffff00">At the moment it's all about Ross,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">do you know what I mean?</font> Yeah.

613
00:24:32,360 --> 00:24:34,640
<font color="#ffff00">Ross had a thing put on his head,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">he got rubbed on the arm,</font>

614
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,400
<font color="#ffff00">he's got this theory,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">he's the one that saved Romesh.</font>

615
00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,440
<font color="#ffff00">Obviously with all these theories,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">you can always flip it</font>

616
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:44,040
<font color="#ffff00">and say the truth about Traitors</font>
<font color="#ffff00">is that they are silent but violent,</font>

617
00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,120
<font color="#ffff00">and that maybe their silence</font>
<font color="#ffff00">is the...is the clue.</font>

618
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,560
<font color="#ffff00">But, no, I think James</font>
<font color="#ffff00">is a very effective Traitor</font>

619
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,760
<font color="#ffff00">because he's not worked out</font>
<font color="#ffff00">how he wants to play it.</font>

620
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:57,000
Was your experience in the game
harder or easier than you imagined?

621
00:24:57,040 --> 00:24:58,720
<font color="#ffff00">I would just say it was...</font>

622
00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:01,080
<font color="#ffff00">Not to sound like</font>
<font color="#ffff00">a deflecting politician,</font>

623
00:25:01,120 --> 00:25:02,320
<font color="#ffff00">but it was kind of both.</font>

624
00:25:02,360 --> 00:25:06,040
<font color="#ffff00">I will treasure for the rest</font>
<font color="#ffff00">of my days being in a wet suit,</font>

625
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,520
<font color="#ffff00">being driven in a Land Rover</font>
<font color="#ffff00">with blacked-out windows,</font>

626
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,320
<font color="#ffff00">to somewhere that I've never been</font>
<font color="#ffff00">before or will ever go again.</font>

627
00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,400
<font color="#ffff00">And it's a loch. And people need</font>
<font color="#ffff00">to understand this is loch country.</font>

628
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,040
<font color="#ffff00">It's so far north, right?</font> Yeah.

629
00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,560
<font color="#ffff00">And it looks like</font>
<font color="#ffff00">the Game of Thrones,</font>

630
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:21,360
<font color="#ffff00">these incredible inky panoramas.</font>

631
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,960
<font color="#ffff00">And then you walk down</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and there's a shipwreck</font>

632
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,120
<font color="#ffff00">and there's Claudia</font>
<font color="#ffff00">in a tartan dress,</font>

633
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:28,200
<font color="#ffff00">and, like, Jerry Hall</font>
<font color="#ffff00">is standing next to you,</font>

634
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,760
<font color="#ffff00">saying that she's going to use</font>
<font color="#ffff00">a crowbar cos she used one...</font>

635
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:33,360
<font color="#ffff00">But you're like, "What is my life?!"</font>
<font color="#ffff00">And because life is for living,</font>

636
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:35,440
<font color="#ffff00">that makes it something</font>
<font color="#ffff00">you'll treasure forever.</font>

637
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,680
Before we go, Amol, what are you
going to say to James Acaster

638
00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,800
next time you see him?

639
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,040
<font color="#ffff00">I hate you, James.</font>

640
00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:43,400
THEY LAUGH

641
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:45,200
<font color="#ffff00">I didn't know James well before.</font>

642
00:25:45,240 --> 00:25:47,080
<font color="#ffff00">I genuinely think</font>
<font color="#ffff00">he's one of the most talented,</font>

643
00:25:47,120 --> 00:25:49,080
<font color="#ffff00">clever, brilliant human beings</font>
<font color="#ffff00">I've ever come across.</font>

644
00:25:49,120 --> 00:25:51,240
<font color="#ffff00">He's like... His stand-up is just...</font>
Yeah.<font color="#ffff00">..it's just...</font>

645
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,600
<font color="#ffff00">He's an all-time great,</font>
<font color="#ffff00">and he's just a really lovely guy.</font>

646
00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:55,160
Well, the chat doesn't stop here.

647
00:25:55,200 --> 00:25:57,400
I'll be getting more
of our guests' thoughts and insights

648
00:25:57,440 --> 00:25:59,800
on how things are shaping up
in the castle.

649
00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:02,560
Listen only on BBC Sounds
to hear bonus episodes

650
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:05,520
of the Celebrity Traitors: Uncloaked
right after this.

651
00:26:05,560 --> 00:26:06,920
And we've made it very easy for you.

652
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,480
All you need to do is scan
the QR code on the screen.

653
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:11,320
We'll be back
on the 8th of October,

654
00:26:11,360 --> 00:26:14,080
straight after Episode Three,
with our first banished player.

655
00:26:14,120 --> 00:26:16,400
We'll also have Celebrity Faithful
Charlotte Church

656
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:18,600
and Frankie from Series Three
here on the sofa

657
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,320
to unpack all the latest
goings-on from the castle.

658
00:26:21,360 --> 00:26:23,240
Big thanks to
Tameka, Harriet and Jake,

659
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:25,160
and, of course,
Amol Rajan for joining me,

660
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:28,120
and to you for watching.
I'm Ed Gamble. Stay Faithful.

661
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,960
<font color="#00ff00">Yeah!</font>
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE