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-[wood creaking]
-[dog barking in background]

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Official YIFY movies site:
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[insects chirping]

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-[door squeaking]
-[suspenseful music]

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[Mike groaning]

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[suspenseful music builds]

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[suspenseful music crescendos]

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[reporter] So strange
and in some ways incredible

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might be an understatement
for this story.

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[reporter #2] It's just always
a family legend or lore.

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[reporter #3] For decades,
they were haunted by hunches,

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[Mike] 60 years of speculation,
and we're still speculating.

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[sirens wailing]

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[bird screeching]

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[soft pensive music playing]

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[man speaking]

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Hey, guys.
What's goin' on over there?

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My name is Mike Carroll.

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You want to take a tour, guys?

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I've lived in this house
all my life, 63 years.

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This is where I grew up.

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You know, we played
uh, wiffle ball

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and all kinds of crap.

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-[dog barking in background]
-[birds chirping]

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I just wanna let you know
I'm in "Q."

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I am a "QAnon."

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I am a patriot.

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I'm a crazy bastard.

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[Mike laughing]

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For people to understand me,

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they have to wait it out,

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and they don't have
the time for it.

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[clock ticking faintly]

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Everybody around me, I know
they're talking,

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saying, "You're crazy."

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[music box softly playing]

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And I don't care because
I believe what I'm saying.

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My family would say
"He's a hoarder."

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OK, I am a collector.

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I don't believe on throwing
things out because you're gonna

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need it, like, ten years
down the road.

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That screw that doesn't go
anywhere, it has to go

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somewhere down the road, right?

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-[armchair creaks]
-[Mike groans]

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[Chris] I feel
very protective of my dad.

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Growing up, he was my hero,

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and I feel I feel like now,

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kind of the roles are
starting to reverse.

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All right, let's see
what we have.

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My father definitely
has very abstract,

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that's a good way
of putting it, beliefs.

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-[Michael] Sir?
-[Mike] Hey.

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-[Chris] Hey, what's up?
-[Michael] There he is.

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[Mike] Guys, what's up?

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[Michael]
What are you doing over here?

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[Chris]
You know, playing Scrabble.

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[Mike] Yeah, kicking ass.
I'm kicking ass, man.

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[Michael]
Listen, you better be winning.

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That's all I do is win.
I only win.

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[Michael] Me and him definitely
don't share the same beliefs,

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for the most part,

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in that area,
but love him to death.

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[Mike] All right, this bucket
has to go upstairs.

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I don't know what's in it,

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but it's got
an oxygen tank in it.

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[Michael]
Well, there is a bent...

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[Mike] Believe it
or not, it still works.

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[Chris] I've been over
his house many times

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trying to help him clean up.

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Usually, it stays that way
for, like, a couple weeks,

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and then it just kinda goes
back to its original state.

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Here we go.

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This looks like some
home videos.

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[Mike] Channel 12 --
Channel 12 camera.

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Yeah.

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Oh, cool.

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Something good.

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It's a reel-to-reels.

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[camera whirring]

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[peaceful classical music]

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[Mike]
I grew up in what I thought
was a pretty normal family.

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Two-parent home,
nice neighborhood,

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brother and sisters.

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I was the youngest of the four.

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My mom's name was Dorothy,

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but everybody called her Dottie.

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I had a sister named Jean,
a brother named Steve,

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a sister named Pat.

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She's a little complicated,

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but that's -- that's
a different story.

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And then there was Richard.

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In the beginning of my life,
I thought this guy was my dad.

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But then it came to light
that my real father

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walked out on us.

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[projector whirring]

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[ominous music]

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[lighter clicks]

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[cigarette sizzling]

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[Jean]
My brother, Mike, is seven years
younger than me.

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He doesn't remember my dad.

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I do.

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-[projector whirring]
-[tense music playing]

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I remember him around me
all the time.

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I know I was daddy's girl.

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You know, my dad was there,

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and then all of a sudden
my dad wasn't there.

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This is a picture of me
on my dad's motorcycle.

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I believe at the time
he had a Harley.

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[hinge squeaking]

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[Steve] My memories of my dad,
George Carroll,

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they, unfortunately,
they're starting to get

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a little fuzzy.

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[motorcycle revving]

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I know that he served
this country in Korea,

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and, apparently,
he loved his kids.

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I do not remember my father
actually leaving.

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[cars whooshing]

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So there wasn't, like,
this very distinct moment.

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[Jean] My mother would say to us
that Dad went out to the store

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to get a pack of cigarettes,
and he never came back.

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He kind of disappeared off
the face of the earth

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all of a sudden, and nobody
really knew where he went.

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[Mike] Over the years, there
were many rumors, many rumors,

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and many discussions about,

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"Ah, what happened
to Dad," you know?

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[Steve]
We would talk to people.

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Then they would give us
their theory, and they'd say,

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"Well, maybe he was involved
with organized crime."

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He could've met a woman
in Korea, when he was in Korea

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and decided to go back.

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-[suspenseful music builds]
-[clock ticking faintly]

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[Mike] Some people
that knew my dad, said,

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"He's a bit of a troubled guy."

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[projector whirring]

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My mother made it very
abundantly clear how she felt.

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And she said,
"Don't even think about him,

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he was not a good guy."

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[Mike] In my mind, he obviously
didn't love us anymore.

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And he loved whatever
he left us for more.

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In the '60s, '70s,
most women didn't work.

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So for my mother, when my dad
left, how was she gonna

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survive through that time
with no income coming in?

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My mom had to do
what she had to do.

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And um, and that's how
the relationship between

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my mother
and Mr. Darress developed.

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[Mike] Richard was just a guy
from the neighborhood.

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He was nobody.

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I think it was convenient.

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The guy wasn't ugly,

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and he had arms and legs,
and he could work.

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My mom said, "I'll take him."

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He moved in.
He became my dad.

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[camera snapping]

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[Steve] It seemed like it was
almost seamless.

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He basically...

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replaced my father.

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[projector whirring]

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[Mike] I'd like to say he was
a good guy, but I can't say it.

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He was mean.

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[chokes back sob]

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[sniffs]

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[faint crying]

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You guys can keep talking.

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I don't want to cry
on this thing.

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[projector whirring]

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As a kid, I -- I just said
to myself, I'm like,

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"Boy, I really hope
that my dad comes back.

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I think it was it would be like
the best day of my life."

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[projector whirring]

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But I know I wasn't gonna
get what I wanted.

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The guy left us.
We're done.

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He's done.

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After a while, you say,

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"I just gotta move on."

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[rock music playing]

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[Mike] I had a paper route
when I was a kid.

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It was my first real job.

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It was pretty cool.

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You know, you got recognition
for being a paperboy.

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I knew all the streets.
I knew people.

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And there were certain houses
in the neighborhood

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that actually stuck out
because they were really nice.

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One of them was
this yellow house.

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It had a pool with white fence
and a big, big frickin' yard.

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It was a very pretty yard.
It -- it stuck out, OK?

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[projector whirring]

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I said, "They got money."

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Mr. Yagel, who owned
that house,

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he gave the worst tips, man.

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One day, when I was older,
the big picture window

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in the living room, and I was
sitting in the window.

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[rocking chair creaks]

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And I look out the window,

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and you won't believe
what I see.

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I see Mr. Yagel walking up
the sidewalk.

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And I'm like,
"What's he doing here?

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He's one of
my paper route guys."

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He comes up the sidewalks,
and he knocks on the door,

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and my mother answers the door.

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And like, "What the heck's
that all about?"

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I've never seen the guy
ever leave his house.

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But he left his house that day
to hand my mother a box.

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[fan blades whirring softly]

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I'm, like, looking
through the window,

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and there's my mom
taking the box.

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And they talk
for a couple minutes.

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[projector whirring]

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There was anger.

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She comes in.
I said, "What's that?

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Why was he here?"

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She said,
"That's your father's stuff."

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[ominous music playing]

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There was, like, bonds from,
like, a really long time ago.

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And then, that's when
the questions came,

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like, you know, "Mom, why would
he have anything of Dad's?"

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"Why would my father's stuff
be with him?"

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[projector whirring]

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She just kind of downplayed it,
like, and she said,

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"He was married
to your dad's mother."

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[projector whirring]

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And she died.

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[projector whirring]

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It was like something
that just, like, punches you

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in your nose.

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I collected from
that house for years.

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And my grandmother was there?
And she never said hello?

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Why didn't my mother say,
"You know, you got the Yagels

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on your route?
Guess who that is?"

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That would've been nice, right?

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[projector whirring]

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And I said to myself,
"What happened here?"

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Like, you know,

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something happened to Dad.

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There's something drastically
wrong with this story.

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And -- and somebody's lying.

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[suspenseful music playing]

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[dogs barking]

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[projector whirring]

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[Steve] When we were young,

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everything my mother
said was gospel.

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So, once she said
that he left, he left.

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[projector whirring]

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And that's all I believed
for a long time.

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But there was a point
where we started to think,

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"Where did he go?
Where is he?"

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[Mike] Now I'm getting
older, and we're starting

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to ask better questions,

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and they're getting
harder to answer.

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As time went on, little bits
and pieces were coming up.

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00:13:54,133 --> 00:13:57,667
There was no police report.
Nobody reported him missing.

252
00:13:59,100 --> 00:14:00,800
[Steve] He left,

253
00:14:01,834 --> 00:14:04,266
but the car was there,
and his wallet was there.

254
00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:05,567
And then later on,
we found out

255
00:14:06,400 --> 00:14:07,200
he never picked up
his last paycheck.

256
00:14:08,467 --> 00:14:10,467
I think everybody thought
that that was strange.

257
00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:16,600
[Mike] I would often ask my mom,
"Where is Dad?

258
00:14:17,066 --> 00:14:17,767
Where's my dad?"

259
00:14:18,734 --> 00:14:20,767
And I always got a weird
response, weird look.

260
00:14:21,533 --> 00:14:22,000
One time, she even
yelled at me.

261
00:14:23,467 --> 00:14:26,200
I'm like -- like this is crazy,

262
00:14:26,934 --> 00:14:27,467
and I don't want any part of it.

263
00:14:29,900 --> 00:14:33,000
So, you know, I started thinking
about maybe moving on,

264
00:14:34,567 --> 00:14:35,767
gettin' out of here.

265
00:14:36,400 --> 00:14:37,467
[rocking chair squeaking]

266
00:14:39,567 --> 00:14:40,667
[young Mike]
There he is.

267
00:14:41,300 --> 00:14:42,100
[Mike]
I graduated at 18.

268
00:14:43,367 --> 00:14:45,166
I was the first person
to go to college

269
00:14:45,633 --> 00:14:46,900
in this family.

270
00:14:47,767 --> 00:14:49,066
I ended up being
a respiratory therapist,

271
00:14:49,633 --> 00:14:50,600
working critical care.

272
00:14:52,100 --> 00:14:53,266
Now I'm making money.

273
00:14:55,166 --> 00:14:56,266
I was living my life.

274
00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,967
Around that time, my mother

275
00:15:00,734 --> 00:15:01,667
and Mr. Darress got a divorce.

276
00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,266
He was cheating.

277
00:15:06,367 --> 00:15:07,667
She took a suitcase
and threw it out the front door.

278
00:15:08,767 --> 00:15:10,200
That was a good day.
It was a good day.

279
00:15:12,100 --> 00:15:16,567
[Jean]
After Mr. Darress had left,
it was a whole different scene.

280
00:15:17,100 --> 00:15:18,867
Everybody was free.

281
00:15:19,567 --> 00:15:20,400
I'm the queen
of this place.

282
00:15:21,567 --> 00:15:23,667
-Stay there.
-[Jean] My mother was different.

283
00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:26,600
She was like a person
that just came out.

284
00:15:27,100 --> 00:15:27,900
[Dorothy laughing]

285
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,767
-I had a wonderful time.
-Oh, I don't want to go home.

286
00:15:33,300 --> 00:15:36,467
[Jean]
She, you know, would open up
more and get the fun

287
00:15:37,700 --> 00:15:40,867
back in again, and that's when
the skit nights were starting.

288
00:15:42,667 --> 00:15:44,100
Skit night's frickin'
awesome, man.

289
00:15:44,667 --> 00:15:45,100
It started in this --

290
00:15:45,967 --> 00:15:47,200
This room, this was
a four-car garage.

291
00:15:48,233 --> 00:15:49,367
It was a frickin' auditorium
with seats and shit.

292
00:15:49,734 --> 00:15:50,467
[laughter]

293
00:15:51,166 --> 00:15:52,567
[young Mike] Let me come back.

294
00:15:53,400 --> 00:15:55,300
My mom, she was
the queen of the night

295
00:15:56,133 --> 00:15:57,266
because she was
a frustrated actress.

296
00:15:57,967 --> 00:16:00,367
-[laughter]
-[vocalizations]

297
00:16:01,333 --> 00:16:02,967
[Steve]
I have very little to say
that's not

298
00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,467
putting her on a pedestal.

299
00:16:05,667 --> 00:16:06,800
[all laughing]

300
00:16:08,166 --> 00:16:10,266
[Dorothy]
Eins, zwei, drei.

301
00:16:11,367 --> 00:16:13,100
When I first met the Carrolls,
Dottie was having one

302
00:16:13,633 --> 00:16:14,400
of her skit nights.

303
00:16:15,500 --> 00:16:17,000
It was a lot of fun,

304
00:16:18,033 --> 00:16:20,000
but I wouldn't participate
'cause I was too shy.

305
00:16:21,100 --> 00:16:23,166
-[Dorothy speaking]
-[all laughing]

306
00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:26,200
[Mike]
And then, next thing you know...

307
00:16:26,767 --> 00:16:28,066
[organ music playing]

308
00:16:28,934 --> 00:16:31,867
[Debbi]
We got married July 23rd, 1989.

309
00:16:33,867 --> 00:16:37,166
I got pregnant three months
after we got married.

310
00:16:38,600 --> 00:16:42,000
♪ Ave Maria ♪

311
00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:45,400
[Mike] I looked at my kids
in the hospital.

312
00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:48,100
I'm like, "Wow, like, I can't
believe this is happening."

313
00:16:49,166 --> 00:16:51,100
♪ Gratia plena ♪

314
00:16:52,066 --> 00:16:53,567
They're innocent,
beautiful little children,

315
00:16:54,066 --> 00:16:54,900
and they're mine.

316
00:16:55,734 --> 00:16:57,800
["Ave Marie" continues
in background]

317
00:16:58,300 --> 00:16:58,867
And that was life.

318
00:16:59,633 --> 00:17:00,667
It was just, like,
totally cool.

319
00:17:01,967 --> 00:17:03,000
-["Ave Maria" playing]
-[Mike] There ain't
[indistinct] country

320
00:17:04,300 --> 00:17:06,100
Time's up!

321
00:17:07,233 --> 00:17:08,900
[Mike] And then I learned
that my mom was struggling.

322
00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:10,667
-[man] C'mon in Gary, time's up.

323
00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,100
She was having a hard time,
you know, paying the cable

324
00:17:14,066 --> 00:17:15,667
and, you know, the little stuff
that goes on.

325
00:17:16,567 --> 00:17:16,900
'Cause I think she thought
she was gonna

326
00:17:17,734 --> 00:17:18,200
lose the house.
-[Dorothy] Thank you.

327
00:17:18,934 --> 00:17:20,000
Give me a hug.
Come on, up, up.

328
00:17:20,900 --> 00:17:21,900
[Chris] She wanted
to stay in that house.

329
00:17:22,700 --> 00:17:25,166
She was there
for 50 years or so.

330
00:17:26,066 --> 00:17:27,767
She was very, very attached
to the home.

331
00:17:28,834 --> 00:17:30,667
[Mike]
Listen, mom, I'm working now.

332
00:17:31,834 --> 00:17:32,667
I can buy your house from you,
and you don't have to pay

333
00:17:33,567 --> 00:17:34,000
another bill for the rest
of your life.

334
00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:39,867
We moved into the upstairs.
She was downstairs.

335
00:17:40,834 --> 00:17:41,066
[Debbi]
The other way Mikey,
the other way.

336
00:17:42,066 --> 00:17:42,567
[Mike] It was tough.
It was not easy.

337
00:17:45,767 --> 00:17:49,467
One day, Debbi told me
she was unhappy.

338
00:17:50,300 --> 00:17:51,700
And I said, "I can't
make you happy."

339
00:17:53,967 --> 00:17:55,567
I was divorced in '95.

340
00:17:58,367 --> 00:17:59,667
Not long after that,

341
00:18:00,767 --> 00:18:02,266
we found out my mom had cancer.

342
00:18:02,834 --> 00:18:04,400
[somber music playing]

343
00:18:08,166 --> 00:18:10,100
Well, she begged me, "Do not
let me die in the hospital."

344
00:18:11,066 --> 00:18:12,166
I'm like, "All right,
I'll make it happen."

345
00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:15,667
[all singing]
Happy birthday to you.

346
00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,467
[cheering and clapping]

347
00:18:20,166 --> 00:18:21,400
[Mike]
When she was sick,

348
00:18:22,367 --> 00:18:23,567
but my dad was always
something on her mind.

349
00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:25,200
[projector whirring]

350
00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:29,967
On her deathbed,
I asked her,

351
00:18:30,900 --> 00:18:32,266
"Mom, can you tell me
anything about Dad?

352
00:18:33,367 --> 00:18:35,900
Can you tell me anything about
Dad before you leave?"

353
00:18:41,266 --> 00:18:44,200
April 17th, I remember, 1998.

354
00:18:49,100 --> 00:18:50,767
My mother literally
turned her head...

355
00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:53,100
winked at me...

356
00:18:54,467 --> 00:18:56,767
never said a word,
and then passed away.

357
00:19:06,166 --> 00:19:07,400
Whatever secret she had,

358
00:19:08,100 --> 00:19:09,066
she went to her grave with that.

359
00:19:13,900 --> 00:19:15,367
[exhales heavily]

360
00:19:25,467 --> 00:19:26,700
[Mike groans]

361
00:19:39,166 --> 00:19:42,667
[Chris] When she passed away,
it just kind of devastated him.

362
00:19:43,100 --> 00:19:44,867
[pills clinking]

363
00:19:48,767 --> 00:19:51,266
That's when he kind of started
with the hoarding and stuff.

364
00:19:56,367 --> 00:19:58,667
[Mike] All right, so we got
a lot of stuff in here.

365
00:20:01,767 --> 00:20:03,667
Oh, let's see.

366
00:20:04,533 --> 00:20:05,367
Now, this is a peanut jar
my mom had.

367
00:20:06,433 --> 00:20:08,367
It's like, really -- like, it's
like 100 years old.

368
00:20:09,066 --> 00:20:09,600
It still has the peanuts in it.

369
00:20:17,467 --> 00:20:19,700
After my mom passed away,

370
00:20:20,500 --> 00:20:22,000
I figured finding
my dad was over.

371
00:20:26,066 --> 00:20:27,166
I had to let it go.

372
00:20:31,266 --> 00:20:33,100
Until couple of years later,

373
00:20:34,867 --> 00:20:37,266
I got called into work around
3 o'clock in the morning.

374
00:20:42,767 --> 00:20:44,000
3 o'clock in the morning is,
kind of like,

375
00:20:44,834 --> 00:20:45,367
the beginning
of the witching hour.

376
00:20:46,567 --> 00:20:48,000
I don't know if you know what
I'm talking about, but 3, 4,

377
00:20:49,066 --> 00:20:50,500
5 in the morning, you start
to get a little weird.

378
00:20:50,934 --> 00:20:52,000
[sirens wailing]

379
00:20:53,567 --> 00:20:55,467
I go down
to the emergency room.

380
00:20:56,400 --> 00:20:57,667
-[tense music playing]
-[footsteps tapping]

381
00:20:59,367 --> 00:21:02,400
And they said, "Can you get
a blood gas on bed 3?"

382
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:03,700
I'm like, "Yeah, sure."

383
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:06,900
So I go to bed 3.

384
00:21:08,033 --> 00:21:09,367
And I have to check the armband
before I do the blood

385
00:21:10,233 --> 00:21:11,100
to make sure you got
the right patient.

386
00:21:12,567 --> 00:21:14,767
I check his band and it says
"Yagel" on it.

387
00:21:15,700 --> 00:21:16,066
And I'm like,
"Something hits the button."

388
00:21:16,567 --> 00:21:17,166
I'm like, "Whoa."

389
00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:18,967
[tape rewinding]

390
00:21:19,500 --> 00:21:20,100
[projector whirring]

391
00:21:21,166 --> 00:21:23,266
That's the same name as the guy
that brought the box

392
00:21:24,266 --> 00:21:25,867
to my mother's house
with my dad's stuff in it.

393
00:21:28,367 --> 00:21:29,600
I'm like, "What the heck's
going on?"

394
00:21:30,500 --> 00:21:33,767
So I go, "Did you live
around 'konkoma?"

395
00:21:34,467 --> 00:21:35,367
He goes, "No, my parents did."

396
00:21:35,900 --> 00:21:37,767
[projector whirring]

397
00:21:38,867 --> 00:21:40,266
[Mike]
I said, "Well, I think I
was your paper boy."

398
00:21:41,467 --> 00:21:42,567
And he's like, "Really?"

399
00:21:43,567 --> 00:21:44,667
And he goes,
"What's your name?"

400
00:21:45,266 --> 00:21:45,667
I said, "Mike Carroll."

401
00:21:46,533 --> 00:21:47,367
And the guy looked
at me like, "What?"

402
00:21:49,667 --> 00:21:50,900
He started flipping out.

403
00:21:51,934 --> 00:21:54,266
He was like, "Oh my gosh,
I can't believe this.

404
00:21:54,834 --> 00:21:55,767
I'm your dad's brother."

405
00:21:57,166 --> 00:21:58,667
Like, what the hell?

406
00:21:59,500 --> 00:22:00,100
I didn't even know
he had a brother.

407
00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:05,100
And I said,
"Tell me about my dad."

408
00:22:06,166 --> 00:22:07,500
And he goes, "He would have
never left four kids."

409
00:22:10,367 --> 00:22:14,166
We have suspicion that
something weird happened.

410
00:22:15,300 --> 00:22:16,500
He said there was construction
being done at the time,

411
00:22:17,900 --> 00:22:21,500
and we believe because
that the opportunity was there

412
00:22:22,500 --> 00:22:24,266
that he was actually buried
under your house.

413
00:22:24,900 --> 00:22:26,500
[suspenseful chord strike]

414
00:22:32,500 --> 00:22:34,767
[Mike]
What's the chance of me getting
called to the emergency room

415
00:22:35,934 --> 00:22:37,600
at that time in the morning
to take blood from somebody

416
00:22:38,500 --> 00:22:39,500
and it winds up being
my dad's brother?

417
00:22:40,800 --> 00:22:42,000
It's unbelievable.

418
00:22:44,266 --> 00:22:45,266
-All of a sudden...
-[clock ticking]

419
00:22:46,033 --> 00:22:46,667
-[machine beeping]
-[IV dripping]

420
00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,800
I realized why we were
estranged from my dad's family.

421
00:22:51,333 --> 00:22:52,867
[projector whirring]

422
00:22:54,467 --> 00:22:55,967
But then he starts talking
about my mother.

423
00:22:57,100 --> 00:22:58,467
He got negative on my mother,

424
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,600
and that's when I decided
to shut the conversation down.

425
00:23:04,800 --> 00:23:06,867
[Jean] Mike didn't -- didn't
like him from that moment on.

426
00:23:08,066 --> 00:23:09,667
He didn't want to hear nothing,
didn't want to know nothing.

427
00:23:10,467 --> 00:23:11,300
-[insects chirping]
-[soft thuds]

428
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:12,667
When you say anything about...

429
00:23:13,667 --> 00:23:14,767
his mother.

430
00:23:15,667 --> 00:23:16,767
He's not gonna like you.

431
00:23:18,367 --> 00:23:19,767
That's the way
my brother Mike is.

432
00:23:20,300 --> 00:23:21,000
And, well, I am too.

433
00:23:25,467 --> 00:23:27,700
[objects thudding]

434
00:23:28,934 --> 00:23:30,200
[Jean]
Mike didn't do anything
for a long time after that.

435
00:23:31,266 --> 00:23:33,066
He just kind of handed
it over to me.

436
00:23:35,900 --> 00:23:37,367
[log clattering]

437
00:23:41,467 --> 00:23:44,300
[Jean]
All my life I was a little girl

438
00:23:44,834 --> 00:23:45,667
looking for my dad.

439
00:23:49,166 --> 00:23:52,467
I was 17 years old
when I left the house.

440
00:23:53,767 --> 00:23:54,900
I had to get away from it.

441
00:23:56,300 --> 00:23:58,166
My sister left even earlier
than me.

442
00:24:04,767 --> 00:24:07,367
I often wondered what it
would have been like

443
00:24:08,033 --> 00:24:09,300
if my dad was still around.

444
00:24:12,166 --> 00:24:15,400
Deep down inside,
I was the detective.

445
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:16,900
I was the investigator.

446
00:24:20,667 --> 00:24:22,100
I was gonna find this man,

447
00:24:23,266 --> 00:24:24,667
and nothing was gonna stop me.

448
00:24:31,867 --> 00:24:34,166
I wanted more information.

449
00:24:37,100 --> 00:24:39,600
That's when I asked Mike
to come to the psychic with me.

450
00:24:43,300 --> 00:24:47,600
I consider a medium
my telephone call to my mom.

451
00:24:48,734 --> 00:24:51,467
I wanted to know if he was able
to give us anything more

452
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:52,900
that we didn't know.

453
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:59,400
Some new fact
or some new evidence.

454
00:24:59,934 --> 00:25:00,467
[cashier] Hey, Mike.

455
00:25:01,333 --> 00:25:02,100
[Mike] How you doing?
How's it going?

456
00:25:04,900 --> 00:25:08,166
So after the Yagel thing,
my sister asked me if I'd like

457
00:25:08,934 --> 00:25:09,467
to come to the psychic
with her.

458
00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:11,700
And I said,

459
00:25:12,500 --> 00:25:13,567
"Yeah, but you know,
I don't know."

460
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:15,166
-[cashier] Thank you very much
-[Mike] I'll talk to you soon.

461
00:25:15,967 --> 00:25:16,567
-All right.
-Stay out of trouble.

462
00:25:18,266 --> 00:25:20,200
When Jean started to see
psychics and look

463
00:25:21,300 --> 00:25:23,867
into psychics, OK, it wasn't
a popular thing with us.

464
00:25:24,633 --> 00:25:25,567
No, I don't believe
in psychics.

465
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,166
I thought she was wasting
her money

466
00:25:27,867 --> 00:25:28,667
when she went to the psychics.

467
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,767
I'm not supposed to like them
because I'm a Christian.

468
00:25:32,667 --> 00:25:33,567
I don't really like
the word "psychics"

469
00:25:34,266 --> 00:25:34,967
because they could be anybody.

470
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,200
They're more scammers
than anything.

471
00:25:38,367 --> 00:25:41,200
-I'd rather talk to a medium.
-I think it's interesting.

472
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:43,300
I don't personally believe
that it's possible.

473
00:25:46,767 --> 00:25:50,266
Jean probably pled
with him and said, you know,

474
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,400
"Please go with me."

475
00:25:53,000 --> 00:25:56,066
[Mike] I have to admit
that psychics are intriguing.

476
00:25:56,867 --> 00:25:58,100
And Jean's,
you know, passionate.

477
00:25:59,066 --> 00:26:01,300
So, I said,
"Sure, I'll go to the psychic."

478
00:26:02,300 --> 00:26:03,266
And then, that's when we went
to Revered Heil.

479
00:26:13,066 --> 00:26:14,567
I was expecting nothing.

480
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:19,500
She did a full hour,

481
00:26:20,467 --> 00:26:22,100
and we thought we were
gonna talk to my mom.

482
00:26:23,867 --> 00:26:25,100
And she didn't come through.

483
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,667
Like, she was being
stubborn, you know.

484
00:26:28,567 --> 00:26:29,567
But there was a lot
of discussion about

485
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:32,867
Jean's daughter having a kid,
blah, blah, blah,

486
00:26:33,367 --> 00:26:34,867
for a whole hour.

487
00:26:35,967 --> 00:26:38,300
And I said to myself,
"This is bull crap," you know.

488
00:26:38,934 --> 00:26:40,266
"This is a bunch of crap."

489
00:26:41,066 --> 00:26:42,667
So the lady looks
at me and goes,

490
00:26:43,333 --> 00:26:43,767
"Did you like the reading?"

491
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,100
And I go, "No."

492
00:26:46,166 --> 00:26:47,867
She goes, "Why?"

493
00:26:48,867 --> 00:26:49,400
"'Cause I just I wanna know
where my dad is."

494
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,100
She goes, "Oh."

495
00:26:53,567 --> 00:26:57,567
When it comes to the "M" word,
you normally don't say anything

496
00:26:58,500 --> 00:27:00,100
until you give me
the permission to do it.

497
00:27:01,166 --> 00:27:02,000
I said, "What's the 'M' word?"
She goes, "Murder."

498
00:27:02,633 --> 00:27:04,000
[suspenseful chord strike]

499
00:27:06,367 --> 00:27:07,467
[Mike] Wow.

500
00:27:08,300 --> 00:27:10,300
I go, "OK.
Now you got my attention."

501
00:27:11,667 --> 00:27:13,166
She goes, "I'll give
you another hour for free."

502
00:27:15,266 --> 00:27:16,400
I said, "So, where is he?"

503
00:27:21,100 --> 00:27:23,400
And she said,
"He is in the basement."

504
00:27:28,066 --> 00:27:30,800
She goes, "He's down
to the left, to the rear,

505
00:27:32,667 --> 00:27:33,867
underneath the target."

506
00:27:35,700 --> 00:27:38,600
I went, "Holy shit!"

507
00:27:39,533 --> 00:27:41,000
I didn't know what she meant
by the target,

508
00:27:42,033 --> 00:27:44,100
but Mike understood
what she was talking about.

509
00:27:45,066 --> 00:27:46,967
[Mike] I realized when I was
four years old,

510
00:27:47,834 --> 00:27:49,000
there was a gun range
in my basement.

511
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:55,166
There was a target for shooting
bullets down there, pellets.

512
00:27:58,667 --> 00:28:00,066
The target was on the wall.

513
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,600
[Mike]
It was taken out of there,
like when I was very young.

514
00:28:06,100 --> 00:28:10,667
So she knew something that was
like 55, 60 years ago,

515
00:28:11,700 --> 00:28:12,900
that nobody knew about,
and that was impressive.

516
00:28:19,367 --> 00:28:20,467
And then, of course, I asked,

517
00:28:21,567 --> 00:28:22,567
"So who did it?"

518
00:28:23,100 --> 00:28:24,400
[projector whirring]

519
00:28:25,967 --> 00:28:27,066
And she said,

520
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:29,100
"Richard."

521
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,300
[Steve huffing]

522
00:28:44,066 --> 00:28:45,166
[grunting]

523
00:28:49,467 --> 00:28:52,867
It was late at night.
I received a call from Mike.

524
00:28:53,300 --> 00:28:54,300
[phone ringing]

525
00:28:56,367 --> 00:28:57,467
[groans with exertion]

526
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,767
[Steve] And he said,
"Are you sitting down?"

527
00:29:01,567 --> 00:29:03,200
and he recounted
the whole session.

528
00:29:04,433 --> 00:29:06,000
[Mike, over phone]
He says "And I'll tell you
one thing..."

529
00:29:06,900 --> 00:29:08,266
[Steve] It was incredible
what she said.

530
00:29:09,066 --> 00:29:11,800
She named things,
described things

531
00:29:12,367 --> 00:29:13,867
that I knew were true.

532
00:29:15,767 --> 00:29:22,166
But I was skeptical because
it's my nature not to deal

533
00:29:23,100 --> 00:29:25,967
with stuff I can't see
and touch, you know?

534
00:29:26,867 --> 00:29:29,266
And uh, yeah,
I was worried about Richie

535
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,667
because I didn't want
to have to even say

536
00:29:32,467 --> 00:29:33,100
that I thought it was
his father.

537
00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:34,500
I didn't even want to go there.

538
00:29:37,867 --> 00:29:40,567
When I was 10 years old,
my mom had my brother, Richie.

539
00:29:43,500 --> 00:29:44,567
My name is Rich Darress.

540
00:29:44,900 --> 00:29:45,567
Come on.

541
00:29:45,934 --> 00:29:46,667
[grunting]

542
00:29:47,700 --> 00:29:48,900
I got you, buddy.
I got you.

543
00:29:49,867 --> 00:29:51,367
I got you.

544
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,567
I am the half-brother of Jean,
Pat, Steve, and Mike Carroll.

545
00:29:56,633 --> 00:29:58,166
I'm kind of an outsider
a little bit.

546
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:02,266
You know, I feel like
I'm the Darress sometimes.

547
00:30:02,767 --> 00:30:03,367
I'm not a Carroll.

548
00:30:04,433 --> 00:30:06,867
I don't feel like I'm part
of the Carrolls so much.

549
00:30:07,667 --> 00:30:08,300
They don't want
to tell me anything,

550
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,967
so I find out things much later.

551
00:30:12,266 --> 00:30:15,066
[Mike]
Nobody saw Richie differently.

552
00:30:15,767 --> 00:30:17,467
The only thing is that he does

553
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,567
carry a little defense
about his father.

554
00:30:25,367 --> 00:30:27,467
[Richard] When they come back
from the psychic and say,

555
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:30,100
"The psychic said
our father was murdered

556
00:30:31,066 --> 00:30:33,000
and it was by a Richard."
I'm a Richard Jr.

557
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:35,400
I have a Richard Sr.
as my father.

558
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:36,867
So they're
insinuating right there

559
00:30:37,767 --> 00:30:40,000
that my father has
murdered their father.

560
00:30:41,367 --> 00:30:44,266
Having my four siblings think
that my father did that,

561
00:30:45,767 --> 00:30:46,800
that's horrible.

562
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:51,166
That's a big, you know, an
animal to take on at that point.

563
00:30:54,367 --> 00:30:56,367
Is it possible?
Sure, it is.

564
00:30:58,467 --> 00:30:59,700
Is it likely?

565
00:31:03,100 --> 00:31:04,166
Probably not.

566
00:31:07,667 --> 00:31:10,400
[all cheering]

567
00:31:11,533 --> 00:31:14,200
[Jean] Richie and Steve,
they didn't believe in mediums.

568
00:31:15,166 --> 00:31:17,400
They just felt that
they were frauds, scams.

569
00:31:18,066 --> 00:31:18,467
"You're gonna believe them?"

570
00:31:19,266 --> 00:31:20,667
-[ducks quacking]
-[car whooshing]

571
00:31:21,700 --> 00:31:23,066
[ducks quacking]

572
00:31:25,767 --> 00:31:29,567
[Jean] But I remember things
that they didn't understand

573
00:31:30,767 --> 00:31:31,867
because I was older.

574
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:43,867
Before my father went missing,

575
00:31:44,934 --> 00:31:50,100
I was, I would say,
around seven, eight years old.

576
00:31:50,900 --> 00:31:52,500
I remember getting up
one morning,

577
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:53,867
getting dressed to go to school,

578
00:31:55,367 --> 00:32:01,266
and I saw this man sleeping
on the couch in the living room.

579
00:32:03,166 --> 00:32:04,367
I didn't know who he was.

580
00:32:05,433 --> 00:32:07,867
And the next day,
it was told to me

581
00:32:08,667 --> 00:32:11,100
that his name
was Richard Darress.

582
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,400
He had just gotten out of jail.

583
00:32:15,533 --> 00:32:18,166
And my dad said, "Come home
with me, and I'll give you

584
00:32:18,734 --> 00:32:19,867
"a place to sleep until,

585
00:32:22,100 --> 00:32:23,700
you know, you can get
on your own."

586
00:32:28,567 --> 00:32:31,467
[Richard] I never knew my father
and George Carroll

587
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:33,266
knew each other

588
00:32:33,900 --> 00:32:34,567
until much later in life.

589
00:32:36,967 --> 00:32:38,266
I'm in my 20s,
and I called him.

590
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:40,467
I said, "When were you
gonna tell me this?"

591
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:43,567
And he told me the whole story.

592
00:32:46,066 --> 00:32:50,200
The version I've heard is that
my father, he was a teenager,

593
00:32:51,233 --> 00:32:52,800
and for whatever reason,
he stole some equipment,

594
00:32:53,500 --> 00:32:54,166
ham radio equipment, you know,

595
00:32:55,066 --> 00:32:57,166
from the federal government.
Stupid move.

596
00:32:59,300 --> 00:33:01,467
He went to prison
for a year and a half.

597
00:33:01,900 --> 00:33:02,667
Does his time.

598
00:33:04,867 --> 00:33:08,400
I was told that his parents
were embarrassed.

599
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:10,467
"You can't live
with us anymore."

600
00:33:11,467 --> 00:33:13,800
So he went to a bar one day
with all his woes.

601
00:33:14,934 --> 00:33:16,800
And he's sitting at the bar,
talking to a guy, saying,

602
00:33:18,033 --> 00:33:20,266
"Hey, I need a place to stay."
And that guy he was talking to

603
00:33:21,300 --> 00:33:22,367
said, "Hey, I'm doing
construction on my house.

604
00:33:25,300 --> 00:33:27,867
If you help me build the house,
you can sleep on the couch."

605
00:33:29,467 --> 00:33:31,467
That person he was talking
to was George Carroll.

606
00:33:36,667 --> 00:33:40,867
They were working on putting
another extension,

607
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:43,700
a dormer,

608
00:33:44,166 --> 00:33:45,500
onto the house.

609
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,200
He's in the house.

610
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:50,266
He's living in the house,
working at the house

611
00:33:50,934 --> 00:33:51,700
when my father disappeared.

612
00:33:54,667 --> 00:33:56,967
[Mike]
Somewhere along the line, my mom

613
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:00,467
starts talking to him,
he starts talking to her,

614
00:34:01,233 --> 00:34:02,066
and somehow
something blossomed.

615
00:34:03,767 --> 00:34:05,667
[Richard] You don't know
the order of operation.

616
00:34:06,700 --> 00:34:08,667
Did they have an affair?
There's no facts there.

617
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,300
Maybe she fell out of love
with my father,

618
00:34:11,934 --> 00:34:13,467
fell in love with Darress.

619
00:34:14,266 --> 00:34:15,200
You know, it kind
of makes sense.

620
00:34:16,667 --> 00:34:20,166
You know, Darress was there.
He was the common denominator.

621
00:34:21,567 --> 00:34:23,266
[Richard]
Just the fact that my father
was there working on the house

622
00:34:24,500 --> 00:34:26,367
and sleeping on the couch does
not mean he has anything to do

623
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:28,000
with George going missing.

624
00:34:30,900 --> 00:34:34,200
These are a box of
photos from my dad.

625
00:34:35,300 --> 00:34:37,867
He was a photographer
for a local county newspaper.

626
00:34:43,900 --> 00:34:45,166
I loved my father.

627
00:34:47,100 --> 00:34:48,166
I learned a lot from him.

628
00:34:50,567 --> 00:34:51,667
This is me and my mom.

629
00:34:52,467 --> 00:34:53,767
It says
I'm three months old here.

630
00:34:54,300 --> 00:34:54,900
It's a wild picture.

631
00:35:01,467 --> 00:35:03,667
Yeah, this is a -- the summer
vacation cabin

632
00:35:04,166 --> 00:35:05,300
we used to go to.

633
00:35:06,433 --> 00:35:08,767
A lot of good times with
my family, my father, my mother.

634
00:35:12,767 --> 00:35:14,567
[Jean]
When I look at this picture,

635
00:35:16,266 --> 00:35:19,400
it takes me to a dark time.

636
00:35:22,100 --> 00:35:24,700
I felt very, very uncomfortable

637
00:35:25,233 --> 00:35:26,600
of all the pictures

638
00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:28,767
that he would take.

639
00:35:29,867 --> 00:35:31,700
I'm looking...

640
00:35:32,367 --> 00:35:34,600
at my brother Steve's face,

641
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:35,867
Mike's face,

642
00:35:38,100 --> 00:35:39,300
I actually...

643
00:35:41,100 --> 00:35:44,266
feel...disturbance

644
00:35:45,567 --> 00:35:47,367
inside me.

645
00:35:48,033 --> 00:35:49,300
I feel that that was like...

646
00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,800
it was disturbance.
I could see it on their face.

647
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:57,567
[Mike] My sister Jean,

648
00:35:58,467 --> 00:35:59,600
I said, "She's going crazy."

649
00:36:03,767 --> 00:36:05,867
That's when I made the decision
to start doing it.

650
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:11,867
I didn't do it for the family.
I didn't do it for me.

651
00:36:12,367 --> 00:36:13,000
I did it for Jean.

652
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:18,100
I said, "I'm gonna go
find him.

653
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,300
I'm gonna dig."

654
00:36:27,266 --> 00:36:29,166
[Mike] People at my job,
they looked at me like,

655
00:36:30,066 --> 00:36:31,867
"You're crazy."
My family, "You're crazy."

656
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,667
The only person that was
with me was Jean.

657
00:36:37,867 --> 00:36:39,967
Just about everything
I do in my life

658
00:36:40,633 --> 00:36:41,567
has always been questioned.

659
00:36:45,266 --> 00:36:46,400
And you know
what the bottom line is?

660
00:36:47,467 --> 00:36:48,667
I always win.

661
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:57,000
I started digging and sifting
the dirt into a garbage can

662
00:36:57,900 --> 00:36:59,100
and looking for bones
on a screen to see

663
00:36:59,900 --> 00:37:00,567
if there was anything
like a bone.

664
00:37:04,967 --> 00:37:08,066
All I had to do was find one
bone, and that job was over.

665
00:37:10,667 --> 00:37:12,266
I was digging for like
a year and a half.

666
00:37:14,266 --> 00:37:16,600
Nobody else helped.
Nobody else offered to help.

667
00:37:17,700 --> 00:37:20,166
I couldn't give it up.
I couldn't stop.

668
00:37:21,667 --> 00:37:24,667
One day, I go to his house,
and there's a six-foot

669
00:37:25,367 --> 00:37:26,667
pile of dirt
in the basement.

670
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:30,900
He was actually starting to cut
through the foundation,

671
00:37:31,567 --> 00:37:32,100
the house was gonna cave in.

672
00:37:33,700 --> 00:37:35,367
Oh, my God.

673
00:37:36,166 --> 00:37:37,166
"You gotta stop doing
this, Mike.

674
00:37:37,867 --> 00:37:39,700
You're gonna wreck your house."

675
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,166
[Mike] I had to stop.

676
00:37:49,567 --> 00:37:51,266
I didn't find anything,

677
00:37:52,100 --> 00:37:53,867
and it was
very disappointing to me.

678
00:37:54,633 --> 00:37:55,367
I really wanted
to find something.

679
00:37:57,567 --> 00:38:00,100
[mouse clicking]

680
00:38:00,967 --> 00:38:03,066
[faint indistinct voices
from computer]

681
00:38:07,166 --> 00:38:10,367
[Chris]
I felt bad for my dad 'cause
he spent a lot of time talking

682
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:14,100
about it, and then he doesn't
find what he was looking for.

683
00:38:15,700 --> 00:38:18,166
And I think it kind of took
a little bit of a toll on him.

684
00:38:20,867 --> 00:38:22,700
I think he started to become
a little bit,

685
00:38:23,967 --> 00:38:25,066
I guess, like, depressed.

686
00:38:26,233 --> 00:38:28,667
[indistinct voices continue
from computer]

687
00:38:37,166 --> 00:38:39,100
[Chris] On top of it,
me and my brother,

688
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,767
we went away to college, so...

689
00:38:42,767 --> 00:38:45,567
I feel like, in a way,
he kind of felt a little

690
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:46,667
abandoned by us.

691
00:38:48,667 --> 00:38:50,400
[cabinet clicks]

692
00:38:51,533 --> 00:38:53,500
[Chris]
My dad gradually started
to just stop caring

693
00:38:54,066 --> 00:38:54,800
about the house as much.

694
00:38:55,633 --> 00:38:56,266
And, you know, there would
be a leak.

695
00:38:56,700 --> 00:38:57,500
He doesn't care.

696
00:38:58,734 --> 00:39:00,066
It's just dripping
into a garbage pail
in the living room.

697
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:04,900
At the time, we had many
conversations with my dad,

698
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:06,800
my brother and I,

699
00:39:07,433 --> 00:39:07,967
about potentially moving.

700
00:39:11,667 --> 00:39:14,567
[Chris] He told me that he will
never leave that house

701
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:17,867
unless he found if his dad
was in that basement.

702
00:39:18,433 --> 00:39:19,567
[CPAP machine whirring]

703
00:39:22,100 --> 00:39:24,467
[Mike] I think down deep inside,
I had a mission.

704
00:39:26,367 --> 00:39:28,266
And I wasn't gonna leave
here until I tried.

705
00:39:29,567 --> 00:39:31,166
[baby babbling]

706
00:39:31,734 --> 00:39:32,900
[faint noise from TV]

707
00:39:34,166 --> 00:39:36,166
[Chris]
If I was going to get my dad
to move out of that house,

708
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:38,800
I knew that I was
gonna have to dig.

709
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,166
The problem was we didn't know
where to dig.

710
00:39:47,900 --> 00:39:51,000
I started googling ground
penetrating radar companies.

711
00:39:52,467 --> 00:39:54,266
Ground penetrating radar
is usually used

712
00:39:55,233 --> 00:39:57,967
in commercial applications
to find electrical

713
00:39:58,867 --> 00:39:59,967
and plumbing pipes
underneath the ground.

714
00:40:01,467 --> 00:40:03,467
So I thought, if it could pick
up those kind of things,

715
00:40:04,667 --> 00:40:06,000
maybe it could pick up a body.

716
00:40:11,767 --> 00:40:14,467
The real obstacle was
my dad's basement.

717
00:40:14,967 --> 00:40:15,567
So full of stuff.

718
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:20,300
Dumbbells, barbells,
weightlifting equipment.

719
00:40:20,767 --> 00:40:22,600
[metal scraping]

720
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,066
[Chris]
All of that stuff had to come
all the way out of his basement

721
00:40:26,734 --> 00:40:28,300
to be able to use the radar.

722
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,567
All my nieces and nephews
were there, handing stuff

723
00:40:31,266 --> 00:40:31,967
from the basement to the yard.

724
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:33,367
[hinge creaking]

725
00:40:34,567 --> 00:40:35,667
It took the whole day.

726
00:40:36,834 --> 00:40:41,266
I was so happy because I knew
now we're gonna get going.

727
00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:45,100
[radar beeping]

728
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:48,166
The radar team is two men.

729
00:40:50,266 --> 00:40:51,367
Took them several hours.

730
00:40:53,367 --> 00:40:55,900
I was kind of expecting there
to just be nothing.

731
00:40:56,700 --> 00:40:57,467
And it's like, OK,
there's nothing

732
00:40:57,900 --> 00:40:58,700
under the floor.

733
00:40:59,533 --> 00:41:00,266
Like, now we gotta
move on from this.

734
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,100
[radar bleeping softly]

735
00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:11,567
Eventually, they call us down
to the basement.

736
00:41:13,967 --> 00:41:16,767
Walk down the stairs,
you see big squares.

737
00:41:17,700 --> 00:41:19,166
It's more like
a five-by-five foot square.

738
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,400
[Chris] There was
a disturbance in the ground.

739
00:41:27,467 --> 00:41:29,400
The perfect size for there
to be a body under there.

740
00:41:30,867 --> 00:41:32,700
Oh, my God,
they have something.

741
00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:35,767
There's an anomaly here,
and this could all be true.

742
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:40,500
All that was left to do
now was to do the digging.

743
00:41:41,166 --> 00:41:42,667
[sirens wailing in distance]

744
00:41:44,166 --> 00:41:46,667
-[sirens wailing]
-[ambulance rumbling]

745
00:41:51,166 --> 00:41:53,166
[Mike] But then, um,
I had a stroke.

746
00:41:56,266 --> 00:41:58,567
-[muffled dinging]
-[labored breathing]

747
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,300
[Chris]
I'm used to seeing my dad
as being a strong guy.

748
00:42:10,767 --> 00:42:13,266
He was a little bit messed up.
He couldn't really walk good.

749
00:42:17,567 --> 00:42:19,300
I realized I couldn't
dig anymore,

750
00:42:20,133 --> 00:42:21,266
so I just felt
that the job was done.

751
00:42:24,567 --> 00:42:26,967
I realized that I was probably
never gonna find my dad.

752
00:42:29,900 --> 00:42:31,867
But then I...

753
00:42:32,967 --> 00:42:34,667
had a talk with the boys,
and they said that, uh --

754
00:42:35,667 --> 00:42:36,266
"Well, then don't worry
about it, we'll do it."

755
00:42:40,367 --> 00:42:42,000
[Chris] You know,
he's my dad, I love him.

756
00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:44,500
And I would do
anything for my dad.

757
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,266
So, of course, I'm gonna try
to help him.

758
00:42:47,967 --> 00:42:48,667
I -- I told him this many times.

759
00:42:49,667 --> 00:42:51,667
He was my hero, growing up,
in a lot of ways.

760
00:42:52,567 --> 00:42:53,667
So...

761
00:42:54,867 --> 00:42:55,967
[Mike] I have to tell you...

762
00:42:58,567 --> 00:42:59,800
I'm blessed...

763
00:43:00,867 --> 00:43:02,100
in so many ways.

764
00:43:03,700 --> 00:43:06,567
I think my stroke, uh, told
my kids, like, you know,

765
00:43:07,233 --> 00:43:07,600
you're gonna lose your dad.

766
00:43:08,266 --> 00:43:09,100
You might wanna tell him now

767
00:43:09,900 --> 00:43:10,867
how important
he was in your life.

768
00:43:12,066 --> 00:43:14,667
And I think that's what
they did by stepping up

769
00:43:15,767 --> 00:43:18,800
and promised me to dig,
promised me to find my dad,

770
00:43:19,533 --> 00:43:20,667
promised me I was
gonna be OK,

771
00:43:21,533 --> 00:43:22,600
promised me they were
gonna be there.

772
00:43:23,600 --> 00:43:25,700
That's, like, a gift
a lot of people don't get

773
00:43:26,700 --> 00:43:27,767
in their lifetime.
I'm very grateful for that.

774
00:43:30,467 --> 00:43:32,000
[loud thud]

775
00:43:33,233 --> 00:43:34,967
[Chris] I just went down there
with a hammer and I found like

776
00:43:35,667 --> 00:43:37,867
a little like chisel-type thing

777
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:39,500
and I just started
chipping it away.

778
00:43:39,934 --> 00:43:42,066
[metal clanking]

779
00:43:43,033 --> 00:43:44,266
Before you know it,
they were digging, like,

780
00:43:45,066 --> 00:43:46,500
twice a week,
three times a week,

781
00:43:47,500 --> 00:43:48,767
'till 10 o'clock at night.
And I'm like, "Wow."

782
00:43:49,133 --> 00:43:49,867
[clanging]

783
00:43:50,767 --> 00:43:51,967
They were doing it.

784
00:43:52,467 --> 00:43:53,300
[shovel scraping]

785
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:55,667
[Chris] We didn't have,
like, professional equipment.

786
00:43:56,567 --> 00:43:57,967
[shovel scraping]

787
00:43:58,900 --> 00:44:00,900
My brother did a lot
of the heavy lifting.

788
00:44:01,433 --> 00:44:02,066
He's the muscle man.

789
00:44:03,166 --> 00:44:06,100
[Chris] Mike, he kinda takes
a back seat a little bit

790
00:44:06,667 --> 00:44:07,100
with the physical stuff.

791
00:44:07,533 --> 00:44:08,300
[Chris speaking]

792
00:44:09,333 --> 00:44:09,767
[Michael] I feel like I'm gonna
go down with you.

793
00:44:10,633 --> 00:44:12,166
I did help with the digging,
of course.

794
00:44:13,033 --> 00:44:15,100
but my role was
more the documentarian.

795
00:44:15,533 --> 00:44:17,000
[Chris speaking]

796
00:44:17,967 --> 00:44:18,667
[Michael] I thought
if we do find something,

797
00:44:19,333 --> 00:44:20,367
the police need to see this.

798
00:44:21,567 --> 00:44:22,667
[indistinct]

799
00:44:26,467 --> 00:44:27,967
[Chris speaking]

800
00:44:28,834 --> 00:44:29,800
[Michael]
We were digging for months.

801
00:44:30,834 --> 00:44:33,800
They said it was six feet down.
We dug eight feet.

802
00:44:34,834 --> 00:44:36,767
We dug way bit more past,
and there was nothing.

803
00:44:37,867 --> 00:44:40,967
[metal detector beeping]

804
00:44:41,700 --> 00:44:43,367
We found a wrench at one point.

805
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,000
but it was just
scrap pieces of metal.

806
00:44:50,166 --> 00:44:53,166
But in the process of digging,
there was a cinder block wall

807
00:44:53,967 --> 00:44:55,000
that got exposed right
on the edge

808
00:44:55,834 --> 00:44:58,266
of the chalked-out area
of the radar.

809
00:45:00,867 --> 00:45:04,100
My son came up and said,
"There's a wall underground."

810
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:08,266
I'm like, "What's a wall doing
under the ground?"

811
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:10,467
I said, "You need to go
break that wall."

812
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:13,300
-[clanging]
-[rock crumbling]

813
00:45:14,700 --> 00:45:17,667
[Chris] I just broke through
sideways and I saw a cavity.

814
00:45:18,633 --> 00:45:22,000
And I said, "That's not right.
It's a vault."

815
00:45:22,967 --> 00:45:24,266
[metal clanging]

816
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:25,367
[Michael indistinct]

817
00:45:26,467 --> 00:45:27,900
[Chris] But I don't wanna mess
things up in the hole.

818
00:45:28,834 --> 00:45:29,967
So right away, I thought
that was suspicious.

819
00:45:31,066 --> 00:45:33,000
And also the dirt was, like,
it was like a wet dirt.

820
00:45:34,200 --> 00:45:35,567
It was a lot different than,
like, the sandy dirt outside.

821
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,100
I felt like I was
onto something

822
00:45:40,900 --> 00:45:42,066
and I felt like
I was very close.

823
00:45:47,500 --> 00:45:49,467
I couldn't sleep
that whole night.

824
00:45:51,467 --> 00:45:53,000
[ducks quacking]

825
00:45:54,133 --> 00:45:56,100
[Chris] The next day, it was
the day before Halloween.

826
00:45:56,667 --> 00:45:57,900
[sprinkler shuttering]

827
00:46:02,266 --> 00:46:03,867
[Chris] I was digging
there by myself.

828
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:11,567
All of a sudden, I came across
this like, very decomposed

829
00:46:12,033 --> 00:46:12,700
type of fabric.

830
00:46:13,667 --> 00:46:14,667
I started pulling it.

831
00:46:15,467 --> 00:46:17,467
It was just ripping
like threads.

832
00:46:18,700 --> 00:46:21,867
It was just basically tearing
apart as soon as I touched it.

833
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:24,467
The first thing I thought is,

834
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:26,600
this has to be
some sort of clothing.

835
00:46:30,266 --> 00:46:32,166
All of a sudden, I hit
something with the shovel.

836
00:46:33,266 --> 00:46:34,567
Right where that fabric was,

837
00:46:35,367 --> 00:46:35,900
I was just hitting
something hard.

838
00:46:39,700 --> 00:46:40,967
And I just stopped right there,

839
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,100
and I'm like,
that's -- that's him.

840
00:46:44,500 --> 00:46:45,200
I found him.

841
00:46:47,767 --> 00:46:49,200
[Mike] I was sitting up here,
and Chris comes up, you know?

842
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,800
You know how tough
Chris is, right?

843
00:46:51,633 --> 00:46:53,567
He's as white
as toothpaste, right?

844
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:56,800
I mean, I never seen him looked
that freaked out.

845
00:46:57,900 --> 00:46:59,266
I told him, "You need to come
down here right now."

846
00:47:00,166 --> 00:47:01,066
I said, "All right
I'm coming down."

847
00:47:02,166 --> 00:47:03,467
[heavy breathing]

848
00:47:05,600 --> 00:47:07,066
I get down there,
and I'm standing

849
00:47:07,667 --> 00:47:08,467
at the hole, looking in.

850
00:47:09,233 --> 00:47:09,767
And I said, "I can't
see nothing.

851
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:10,967
I got to get in the hole."

852
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:13,500
And I got down on my knees
and crawled into the tunnel.

853
00:47:14,500 --> 00:47:15,600
He's a healthcare professional,

854
00:47:16,166 --> 00:47:17,200
so he knows the body.

855
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:19,567
And he's like,
"That's not a bone."

856
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:21,200
And I'm like,

857
00:47:22,166 --> 00:47:23,467
"Yeah, it is."
I mean, what else could it be?

858
00:47:24,533 --> 00:47:25,166
"Chris, can you come down
here again and just dig

859
00:47:25,834 --> 00:47:26,400
with your hands around it?"

860
00:47:27,467 --> 00:47:28,567
And he did that.

861
00:47:35,200 --> 00:47:39,000
He just sat there for a minute.
And he took, like, a deep sigh.

862
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:40,900
And then I realized I was
looking at a pelvis.

863
00:47:42,100 --> 00:47:45,200
And he's like,
"Boys, this is a bone."

864
00:47:46,100 --> 00:47:47,000
He's like,
"This is, like, a human bone."

865
00:47:47,900 --> 00:47:48,767
I put my hand right
on the dirty bones.

866
00:47:50,767 --> 00:47:52,500
"Dad, we got you.

867
00:47:53,233 --> 00:47:53,867
We got you, Dad.
We found you."

868
00:47:59,066 --> 00:48:00,300
[Chris]
And he just started crying.

869
00:48:02,367 --> 00:48:03,867
And he hugged us,
he thanked us,

870
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:08,100
and he said he always believed
that this was the case,

871
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:09,867
and finally he's proven true.

872
00:48:12,100 --> 00:48:13,200
[Mike] Yeah, it was crazy.

873
00:48:14,867 --> 00:48:16,000
[sighs]

874
00:48:19,367 --> 00:48:20,467
It was crazy.

875
00:48:21,567 --> 00:48:22,667
Felt good.

876
00:48:24,066 --> 00:48:25,767
Not only would that I found
my dad, but I was...

877
00:48:27,867 --> 00:48:29,000
validated.

878
00:48:29,867 --> 00:48:31,500
Everybody said,
"I was wrong," right?

879
00:48:33,567 --> 00:48:34,667
Payday.

880
00:48:36,667 --> 00:48:38,367
I win.

881
00:48:38,767 --> 00:48:39,500
I always do.

882
00:48:40,633 --> 00:48:41,567
["What A Wonderful World"
by Louis Armstrong playing]

883
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:42,867
♪ I see trees of green ♪

884
00:48:44,900 --> 00:48:46,967
♪ Red roses too♪

885
00:48:47,734 --> 00:48:49,667
[Jean]
I couldn't contain myself.

886
00:48:50,367 --> 00:48:53,767
I was hysterical, hysterical.

887
00:48:57,300 --> 00:48:58,667
[Steve, sighing] Uh...

888
00:48:59,700 --> 00:49:03,200
I thought it was
a freaking miracle.

889
00:49:04,100 --> 00:49:05,667
It was just a miracle,
you know, with all

890
00:49:06,767 --> 00:49:08,266
of the discussions,
and the stories, and the rumors

891
00:49:09,033 --> 00:49:09,767
and the theories
and all that stuff

892
00:49:10,467 --> 00:49:12,100
that we talked about for years.

893
00:49:13,100 --> 00:49:14,700
And here we are, looking
at my father's remains.

894
00:49:15,500 --> 00:49:17,100
[partygoers chatting
in background]

895
00:49:20,467 --> 00:49:23,100
[Richard] I was on a business
trip, and I'm in Chicago.

896
00:49:24,100 --> 00:49:26,467
I got the call
from Christopher.

897
00:49:26,867 --> 00:49:27,667
That was...

898
00:49:29,667 --> 00:49:31,767
probably the most emotional day
of my life.

899
00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:35,600
Your whole body turns numb.

900
00:49:36,767 --> 00:49:38,867
You start reflecting on
your entire life, a little bit,

901
00:49:39,767 --> 00:49:40,667
not just who did it --
was it my father?

902
00:49:41,567 --> 00:49:42,100
Was it my mother,
or anything like that,

903
00:49:42,867 --> 00:49:44,667
it was, "Oh, my god,
my siblings.

904
00:49:45,667 --> 00:49:47,367
What did they just endure
their entire lives?"

905
00:49:48,100 --> 00:49:49,100
I said, "I have
to get to them.

906
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:50,567
I have to be there for them."

907
00:50:37,100 --> 00:50:39,367
I think it was 12 o'clock.
We all decided that tomorrow

908
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:40,567
we're gonna call the cops.

909
00:50:41,333 --> 00:50:41,800
I'm not gonna call
them tonight.

910
00:50:42,433 --> 00:50:42,867
There's no reason for it.

911
00:50:43,867 --> 00:50:44,567
He's been in the ground
for 60-something years.

912
00:50:45,867 --> 00:50:48,767
And besides, we wanted
everybody to be together.

913
00:50:49,834 --> 00:50:50,166
[Mike, in background]
And then he uncovered the --

914
00:50:51,100 --> 00:50:53,166
[people talking and chatting
in background]

915
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:03,800
[Richard] I was home by 8,
8:30 the next morning

916
00:51:04,500 --> 00:51:06,266
from Chicago
at Mike's house

917
00:51:07,300 --> 00:51:08,467
in the hole.

918
00:51:09,967 --> 00:51:11,066
We report the body.

919
00:51:12,467 --> 00:51:14,900
They don't respond.
We report the body.

920
00:51:15,333 --> 00:51:16,000
They don't...

921
00:51:16,734 --> 00:51:19,100
Nobody responds.
What's going on?

922
00:51:19,367 --> 00:51:20,100
Why?

923
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:22,266
[children yelling]

924
00:51:23,433 --> 00:51:26,900
The day we reported it was
Halloween 2018, October 31st.

925
00:51:27,734 --> 00:51:28,500
They find a skeleton
in the basement.

926
00:51:29,367 --> 00:51:30,500
Yeah, right.
There's no way we're gonna

927
00:51:31,433 --> 00:51:32,200
waste our time, we're getting
prank calls

928
00:51:32,900 --> 00:51:34,667
all over
the place for bodies.

929
00:51:35,233 --> 00:51:36,367
So they didn't show up.

930
00:51:37,500 --> 00:51:38,467
And then finally, you get
a couple of "Keystone Cops"

931
00:51:39,166 --> 00:51:40,166
with their coffees walking in.

932
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:41,233
"Hey, come on down
to the basement."

933
00:51:42,433 --> 00:51:42,867
"Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll come
in the basement."

934
00:51:43,533 --> 00:51:44,100
And then, like,
their jaws,

935
00:51:45,200 --> 00:51:48,667
they dropped their coffees.
"Holy shit, we got one".

936
00:51:49,333 --> 00:51:49,900
They called their superior,

937
00:51:50,734 --> 00:51:52,000
their superior called
his superior.

938
00:51:53,033 --> 00:51:53,767
Before you know it,
the archaeologist was there,

939
00:51:54,433 --> 00:51:55,000
the forensics team was here.

940
00:51:55,433 --> 00:51:56,367
[sirens wailing]

941
00:51:58,767 --> 00:52:00,200
[officer] If you can just hang
out for a second.

942
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,900
[indistinct]

943
00:52:04,900 --> 00:52:06,266
[Richard]
It was the craziest scene

944
00:52:07,033 --> 00:52:08,000
I've ever seen
in my entire life.

945
00:52:08,834 --> 00:52:10,000
[Chris]
Every street was blocked off.

946
00:52:10,767 --> 00:52:11,467
There were hundreds
of cop cars.

947
00:52:11,900 --> 00:52:12,667
It was crazy.

948
00:52:13,834 --> 00:52:15,266
I remember going outside.
I look up, and then I'm like,

949
00:52:16,100 --> 00:52:16,767
"I can't believe this."
I look down...

950
00:52:17,934 --> 00:52:22,700
there's a seven-foot T-rex,
Mario, and Luigi

951
00:52:23,567 --> 00:52:24,700
in the crime scene.
Trick or treating.

952
00:52:25,600 --> 00:52:27,600
It was just, everything was
so surreal.

953
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:30,800
They brought
this giant crime lab,

954
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:33,967
and they had all these people
in hazmat suits.

955
00:52:34,767 --> 00:52:35,166
[Mike]
I wasn't allowed downstairs.

956
00:52:36,133 --> 00:52:37,767
I'm like, "Wait a minute,
I didn't kill him.

957
00:52:38,767 --> 00:52:40,367
I was one and a half years old.
I didn't do it."

958
00:52:41,433 --> 00:52:43,967
They don't know
if this is a fresh death

959
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:46,000
or a 60 year-old-death
at that point,

960
00:52:46,834 --> 00:52:47,367
so they're putting
everything on it.

961
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:49,266
[siren wailing]

962
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:52,667
[Chris]
There was a lot of press.

963
00:52:53,467 --> 00:52:53,767
They were trying
to get interviews.

964
00:52:54,467 --> 00:52:55,266
They were trying to talk to me.

965
00:52:56,700 --> 00:52:58,667
[reporter]
The investigation is expected
to continue through the night.

966
00:52:59,667 --> 00:53:00,100
[Mike] I don't know
who called them, but boy,

967
00:53:00,734 --> 00:53:01,767
did they come like rats --

968
00:53:02,734 --> 00:53:04,667
little roaches running
with their microphones

969
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:06,266
and their booms and shit.

970
00:53:06,834 --> 00:53:07,700
The press is everywhere.

971
00:53:08,667 --> 00:53:09,400
They're trying to find out
who the bad guy is

972
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:11,600
from every camera crew.
Microphones everywhere.

973
00:53:12,967 --> 00:53:14,266
[reporter #2]
...with the family and is
there tonight with more...

974
00:53:15,133 --> 00:53:16,166
A Long Island family
may have literally

975
00:53:16,967 --> 00:53:17,600
unearthed the answer
to a mystery.

976
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:19,800
There was no record of a death
investigation at that time.

977
00:53:20,834 --> 00:53:22,100
Two daughters and two sons,
the oldest was nine.

978
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:23,567
[reporter #3] A mystery is
unfolding on Long Island.

979
00:53:24,333 --> 00:53:25,367
Looks to be
apparently a murder.

980
00:53:26,500 --> 00:53:28,367
[Richard] Who did it, you know,
was one of the questions

981
00:53:29,467 --> 00:53:30,467
you would hear all the time.
"Who killed your father?

982
00:53:31,100 --> 00:53:31,667
Who put him in that hole?"

983
00:53:33,166 --> 00:53:35,700
They don't care who they hurt
or what it's doing

984
00:53:36,533 --> 00:53:37,767
to the family inside,
our siblings,

985
00:53:38,900 --> 00:53:40,367
the Carrolls, the Darresses.
They just want the story.

986
00:53:41,300 --> 00:53:42,100
They want to find --
they want the villain.

987
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:47,467
And for the -- my siblings,
the bad guy in this story

988
00:53:48,000 --> 00:53:48,967
is Richard Darress.

989
00:53:49,633 --> 00:53:51,266
[suspenseful music playing]

990
00:54:00,300 --> 00:54:01,400
[Mike] When we found my dad,

991
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:05,266
you know, it was kind of like
we answered one question,

992
00:54:06,033 --> 00:54:08,900
but we got 100,000
new questions.

993
00:54:13,100 --> 00:54:15,000
[Chris] They were able
to determine the cause of death,

994
00:54:16,166 --> 00:54:18,100
which was blunt force trauma
to the head.

995
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,000
[Mike]
That was the biggest find.

996
00:54:24,166 --> 00:54:27,100
And then never heard
from them again after that.

997
00:54:29,100 --> 00:54:30,900
[plastic crinkling]

998
00:54:31,934 --> 00:54:34,367
It seemed like the police
decided it was so old

999
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:36,300
that it's not really
worth pursuing.

1000
00:54:36,734 --> 00:54:38,800
[Steve speaking]

1001
00:54:45,467 --> 00:54:47,100
...in 1963.

1002
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,800
So, Mike, can you take
them off the list?

1003
00:54:50,567 --> 00:54:51,767
[Jean]
Richie was always foremost

1004
00:54:53,867 --> 00:54:55,400
on my mind.

1005
00:54:56,333 --> 00:54:58,600
You know, here's
my father being murdered,

1006
00:54:59,367 --> 00:55:01,066
and his father
possibly being...

1007
00:55:03,066 --> 00:55:04,166
you know, the murderer.

1008
00:55:07,667 --> 00:55:11,467
[Richard]
I've heard over and over
again from my siblings that,

1009
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,200
"We know your father did this."

1010
00:55:15,367 --> 00:55:18,467
But the fact that he was very
poor to them, all of them,

1011
00:55:19,533 --> 00:55:22,066
it's a very low hanging fruit,
very easy target to,

1012
00:55:22,867 --> 00:55:24,100
you know,
put this murder on him.

1013
00:55:27,066 --> 00:55:29,000
There's been a lot
of protecting of Richie

1014
00:55:29,467 --> 00:55:30,367
for a long time.

1015
00:55:31,533 --> 00:55:34,266
But when we look
at the basement and we have

1016
00:55:35,333 --> 00:55:37,066
any kind of theory about,
you know, what happened,

1017
00:55:37,700 --> 00:55:39,467
it all points to Darress.

1018
00:55:40,033 --> 00:55:41,467
[ominous music playing]

1019
00:55:54,567 --> 00:55:58,266
[Steve]
There was a rectangular
opening in the basement floor

1020
00:55:58,900 --> 00:55:59,467
where the water pump was.

1021
00:56:00,500 --> 00:56:01,266
And every house back then
had a water pump,

1022
00:56:02,333 --> 00:56:05,000
we didn't have city water.
And that's where he was.

1023
00:56:05,633 --> 00:56:06,166
That's where we found him.

1024
00:56:07,266 --> 00:56:08,700
-[Chris] This is
the end of like, soil.
-[Steve] Yeah.

1025
00:56:09,467 --> 00:56:10,567
[Steve]
Darress was in the house.

1026
00:56:11,133 --> 00:56:12,367
He was intimate with...

1027
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:14,367
pouring cement.

1028
00:56:15,300 --> 00:56:16,900
The opening to the floor was
there already.

1029
00:56:18,100 --> 00:56:19,367
The dirt was there.

1030
00:56:20,266 --> 00:56:22,367
The concrete, the mixer was
right there.

1031
00:56:23,266 --> 00:56:25,567
It was so easy.
Everything points to him.

1032
00:56:28,667 --> 00:56:30,300
[Richard] We may never
find out what happened,

1033
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:31,967
if he was murdered, whatever,

1034
00:56:32,734 --> 00:56:33,266
this could have
been an accident.

1035
00:56:34,467 --> 00:56:37,166
Like, did he trip in the hole,
hit his head on the cement,

1036
00:56:37,600 --> 00:56:38,367
and now he's...

1037
00:56:39,367 --> 00:56:41,667
You know, I'm just...

1038
00:56:42,333 --> 00:56:42,800
There's other possibilities.

1039
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:44,467
But when I talk to my siblings,

1040
00:56:45,433 --> 00:56:46,266
we have to look at all
the different stories.

1041
00:56:47,333 --> 00:56:48,467
[reporter]...remove
the remains and are now trying

1042
00:56:49,166 --> 00:56:49,867
to determine the cause of death.

1043
00:56:51,133 --> 00:56:52,100
[reporter #2] Steven Carroll was
just five when his dad, George,

1044
00:56:52,667 --> 00:56:53,300
went missing in 1961.

1045
00:56:54,367 --> 00:56:54,767
[reporter #3] No paper trail
as to what happened...

1046
00:56:55,600 --> 00:56:56,667
[Jean]
I spoke to Richie and I said,

1047
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,266
"I know this is very sensitive
and very hard for you."

1048
00:57:01,166 --> 00:57:02,767
-[cameras clicking]
-[reporters talking]

1049
00:57:03,934 --> 00:57:05,767
[Richard] It's a tough spot
for my siblings.

1050
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,867
They want to say who did it
or who they believe that did it,

1051
00:57:10,834 --> 00:57:12,500
but they don't wanna hurt
me and my family.

1052
00:57:13,700 --> 00:57:15,200
[reporter #4] The other half
of the mystery, who buried him

1053
00:57:15,767 --> 00:57:16,967
in the family basement?

1054
00:57:18,066 --> 00:57:19,800
The brothers won't publicly
speculate, but they say

1055
00:57:20,834 --> 00:57:23,567
they have theories and hint
at domestic discord.

1056
00:57:24,567 --> 00:57:26,467
There was a lot of talk
about trying not to use

1057
00:57:26,967 --> 00:57:27,500
the Darress name.

1058
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,467
-[cameras clicking]
-[reporters talking]

1059
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:30,800
[Richard] I think
at one point they said,

1060
00:57:31,600 --> 00:57:32,000
"We're not gonna
talk to the media,"

1061
00:57:32,834 --> 00:57:34,000
but how do you
not talk to the media?

1062
00:57:34,967 --> 00:57:36,066
You know, when
they're lined up out the door.

1063
00:57:37,066 --> 00:57:38,567
They're not going away.
You gotta say something.

1064
00:57:39,700 --> 00:57:41,300
[reporter #5] You have no idea
who may have done this?

1065
00:57:42,367 --> 00:57:43,867
I do.

1066
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:46,367
[reporter #5] Mike Carroll
wouldn't elaborate on that.

1067
00:57:47,500 --> 00:57:49,667
He would only say that
the last person who likely knew

1068
00:57:50,767 --> 00:57:53,400
what happened to his father died
over three months ago.

1069
00:57:54,734 --> 00:57:57,500
[Richard]
When Mike started digging,
my brother Steve, I believe,

1070
00:57:58,633 --> 00:58:00,266
came to me and said, "I want to
go talk to your father."

1071
00:58:01,233 --> 00:58:02,800
And I'm like, "Maybe
that's not a bad idea."

1072
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:04,400
So then we made
arrangements to go.

1073
00:58:05,300 --> 00:58:06,200
We were gonna leave
on a Monday morning

1074
00:58:07,233 --> 00:58:08,100
and fly out there and then
come right back home.

1075
00:58:09,467 --> 00:58:11,600
I called him Sunday night,
he had passed away.

1076
00:58:14,066 --> 00:58:15,166
We lost the shot.

1077
00:58:18,700 --> 00:58:21,767
Anybody that would have had
this intimate secret,

1078
00:58:22,834 --> 00:58:24,967
if there was one to be told,
they've all passed on.

1079
00:58:27,500 --> 00:58:30,000
But what if
there's another story there?

1080
00:58:30,467 --> 00:58:32,000
[tape rewinding]

1081
00:58:34,667 --> 00:58:36,467
[Richard]
I've heard stories
about George Carroll.

1082
00:58:37,333 --> 00:58:38,667
He wasn't, you know,
the best husband.

1083
00:58:42,100 --> 00:58:43,567
I've heard the term
"heavy hands."

1084
00:58:45,100 --> 00:58:48,100
There were comments
by my mother early on

1085
00:58:48,767 --> 00:58:50,100
that my father was abusive.

1086
00:58:51,200 --> 00:58:56,000
I want to believe that it was
post-traumatic stress

1087
00:58:56,400 --> 00:58:58,467
from Korea.

1088
00:58:59,700 --> 00:59:00,500
[Mike] When he came back from
Korea, he was rough with her.

1089
00:59:02,967 --> 00:59:05,767
[Richard] I know my mother had
scars and stuff like that.

1090
00:59:10,367 --> 00:59:13,467
Just recently, Steve
said he did reach out

1091
00:59:14,233 --> 00:59:15,767
to my father's brother,
my uncle.

1092
00:59:18,500 --> 00:59:19,800
I said, "What do
you think happened?"

1093
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,100
And he said, word for word,
"I have no doubt

1094
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,867
"that my brother was involved,

1095
00:59:28,967 --> 00:59:30,367
but I do believe that he was
defending your mother."

1096
00:59:31,467 --> 00:59:34,667
[tense music playing]

1097
00:59:35,467 --> 00:59:36,500
[Richard]
So paint this picture --

1098
00:59:37,700 --> 00:59:42,467
Mom is getting physically
abused to no end

1099
00:59:43,066 --> 00:59:44,100
by your father, George.

1100
00:59:44,934 --> 00:59:46,500
And my father's working
on the house.

1101
00:59:47,700 --> 00:59:50,166
And he walks into the room,
and she is getting beaten up.

1102
00:59:51,367 --> 00:59:54,467
And my father has to get
involved to save Mom.

1103
00:59:55,800 --> 00:59:59,967
So maybe my father becomes
my mother's hero

1104
01:00:01,100 --> 01:00:03,400
and saves her from getting
beaten up by George Carroll.

1105
01:00:04,133 --> 01:00:05,266
Is that possible?
Sure it is.

1106
01:00:06,166 --> 01:00:07,467
Is it likely?
Maybe.

1107
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,867
[Jean]
My mother was a good woman.

1108
01:00:14,800 --> 01:00:17,667
I'm not gonna try to make
more out of it.

1109
01:00:18,900 --> 01:00:22,467
And on the other hand, I know
how and what kind of evil man

1110
01:00:22,900 --> 01:00:23,667
Mr. Darress was.

1111
01:00:26,166 --> 01:00:29,000
To be honest with you, I never
really felt my mother

1112
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:30,266
knew anything about it.

1113
01:00:31,433 --> 01:00:33,800
I thought it was all him.
I thought it was Mr. Darress.

1114
01:00:36,500 --> 01:00:39,166
[Richard]
Human nature is, you know,

1115
01:00:39,934 --> 01:00:40,467
you're not gonna
point it at Mom.

1116
01:00:41,567 --> 01:00:43,266
You're gonna point it
at the bad guy.

1117
01:00:45,100 --> 01:00:47,967
But how does my mother
not know about this?

1118
01:00:49,033 --> 01:00:50,900
With everything that we know
today, her not filing

1119
01:00:51,900 --> 01:00:54,667
a missing person report,
her not showing her kids

1120
01:00:55,834 --> 01:00:57,600
to the grandparents and keeping
them apart, and the Yagels

1121
01:00:58,467 --> 01:00:59,767
and everybody involved,
she had to know.

1122
01:01:02,867 --> 01:01:05,767
But if she happened to be
involved with any of this.

1123
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:08,100
She had a reason.

1124
01:01:15,667 --> 01:01:17,166
[Chris]
I think the truth matters.

1125
01:01:17,600 --> 01:01:19,367
[grill sizzling]

1126
01:01:20,467 --> 01:01:22,867
[Chris]
I'm not content with
just, OK, we found him,

1127
01:01:23,800 --> 01:01:25,400
but now we don't know
100% what happened.

1128
01:01:25,834 --> 01:01:26,667
Just move on.

1129
01:01:33,500 --> 01:01:37,166
So I kind of felt the need
to start looking for myself

1130
01:01:38,333 --> 01:01:39,667
and finding certain things
the police might have missed.

1131
01:01:43,900 --> 01:01:45,834
Around that time,

1132
01:01:46,700 --> 01:01:47,767
my aunt Pat was diagnosed
with cancer.

1133
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,900
At that point, she
really was, kind of,

1134
01:01:53,500 --> 01:01:54,667
estranged to the family.

1135
01:01:56,300 --> 01:01:58,767
But she decided she
wanted to tell her story,

1136
01:01:59,500 --> 01:02:01,066
and she wanted to tell it to me.

1137
01:02:03,667 --> 01:02:06,834
[Jean] My sister was very,
very complicated girl.

1138
01:02:10,567 --> 01:02:12,834
She was more of a wild child.

1139
01:02:16,300 --> 01:02:19,400
[Steve]
Pat just made decisions
early on in life

1140
01:02:20,500 --> 01:02:22,166
that were just different than
what we would've done.

1141
01:02:25,266 --> 01:02:27,000
[Mike] She's considered
the black sheep.

1142
01:02:27,600 --> 01:02:28,266
She was on her own path.

1143
01:02:29,600 --> 01:02:32,467
Pat ran away when she was 15.
She literally ran away.

1144
01:02:33,867 --> 01:02:36,400
And the guy she was
staying with was 25.

1145
01:02:37,367 --> 01:02:38,767
So you got a lot
going on here that's wrong.

1146
01:02:41,567 --> 01:02:42,867
She hurt Mom really bad,

1147
01:02:43,834 --> 01:02:45,000
and I don't like that.

1148
01:02:50,300 --> 01:02:52,066
But then I learned something
down the road.

1149
01:02:56,400 --> 01:03:00,100
[Chris] My aunt Pat confided
in me about a lot of the abuse

1150
01:03:00,734 --> 01:03:02,367
that she got from Richard.

1151
01:03:03,066 --> 01:03:04,867
How he molested and raped her,

1152
01:03:05,900 --> 01:03:08,300
and was able to get
away with it.

1153
01:03:10,667 --> 01:03:12,166
Nobody would listen to her.

1154
01:03:13,266 --> 01:03:15,867
Even her mom refused
to acknowledge it.

1155
01:03:19,266 --> 01:03:23,467
Darress was able to manipulate
the situation to make Pat seem

1156
01:03:24,500 --> 01:03:25,767
like she was just a troubled
kid making up lies.

1157
01:03:27,567 --> 01:03:30,266
And because Pat felt
so abandoned,

1158
01:03:31,066 --> 01:03:31,567
and that she wouldn't
be believed,

1159
01:03:32,133 --> 01:03:32,900
she ran away for years.

1160
01:03:35,300 --> 01:03:37,266
I never believed
my sister's story.

1161
01:03:39,367 --> 01:03:40,567
How do I put that?

1162
01:03:45,734 --> 01:03:47,600
OK, I'm having a tough time
with that one.

1163
01:03:48,967 --> 01:03:50,734
For a moment, I have to think.

1164
01:03:52,734 --> 01:03:53,900
Can we take a two-minute break?

1165
01:03:55,367 --> 01:03:59,900
A lot of what my mother said
to me about her made me believe

1166
01:04:00,633 --> 01:04:02,266
that she wasn't believable.

1167
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:05,166
Pat, you know, was a bit,
I think she stretched

1168
01:04:05,867 --> 01:04:07,000
the truth about a lot of things.

1169
01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:12,066
[Jean] You know, when I look
back, I just felt that she knew

1170
01:04:13,100 --> 01:04:14,834
it was happening to me,
and it was her way out.

1171
01:04:16,100 --> 01:04:18,367
[ticking]

1172
01:04:19,433 --> 01:04:21,900
The abuse started when I was
about eight years old.

1173
01:04:24,834 --> 01:04:28,000
It was just all wrong.
It felt all wrong.

1174
01:04:30,667 --> 01:04:33,166
All you know is
that something is being done

1175
01:04:34,066 --> 01:04:36,567
that you don't like.
and you tend to just

1176
01:04:37,734 --> 01:04:41,767
take yourself somewhere else
and think of something else

1177
01:04:42,333 --> 01:04:42,867
just to get through it.

1178
01:04:46,066 --> 01:04:47,166
He just...

1179
01:04:48,200 --> 01:04:50,667
would just touch
me inappropriately.

1180
01:04:50,967 --> 01:04:51,834
And...

1181
01:04:52,867 --> 01:04:55,166
it was terrible.
Absolutely terrible.

1182
01:04:56,367 --> 01:04:57,767
I think I'll just
leave it at that.

1183
01:05:03,667 --> 01:05:05,367
I kept that a secret
for a long time.

1184
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:11,734
It was just the times then.

1185
01:05:14,000 --> 01:05:17,467
[Darress]
The best thing you can do,
no matter what happens,

1186
01:05:18,533 --> 01:05:22,667
at the end of the evening,
every day of every year

1187
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:24,667
of your life,

1188
01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:28,300
say "I love you,"
no matter what happens.

1189
01:05:29,300 --> 01:05:31,367
I found out all of this
about the abuse to Mike,

1190
01:05:32,433 --> 01:05:35,300
Jean, the stories I heard
about Pat, all came out

1191
01:05:35,834 --> 01:05:36,900
after I got married.

1192
01:05:40,967 --> 01:05:42,200
Do you know what?

1193
01:05:43,066 --> 01:05:44,166
She was more my family
than my father.

1194
01:05:44,734 --> 01:05:45,367
She was there every day.

1195
01:05:47,200 --> 01:05:49,367
If I knew what I knew today,

1196
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:50,867
he wouldn't have been
at my wedding.

1197
01:05:51,734 --> 01:05:52,567
I wouldn't have put
them through that.

1198
01:05:53,767 --> 01:05:55,000
He wouldn't have been invited.

1199
01:05:55,533 --> 01:05:57,266
[solemn piano notes]

1200
01:06:13,967 --> 01:06:15,567
[Mike] This is all what's left
of my sister.

1201
01:06:16,900 --> 01:06:19,166
I'm not too sure
what to think of that.

1202
01:06:20,033 --> 01:06:21,600
Her daughter left all
this stuff here,

1203
01:06:22,367 --> 01:06:23,567
and she never
came back for it.

1204
01:06:26,467 --> 01:06:27,967
[Mike] I don't think these
are worth anything.

1205
01:06:33,367 --> 01:06:35,567
I believe it 110%.

1206
01:06:37,400 --> 01:06:39,100
And I --

1207
01:06:40,100 --> 01:06:41,900
And I won't even come down
a notch on that one.

1208
01:06:46,166 --> 01:06:49,767
Because what 15-year-old runs
away from a safe place?

1209
01:06:52,166 --> 01:06:54,767
[wasp buzzing]

1210
01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:58,467
[Mike]
This is embarrassing,
a little bit.

1211
01:06:59,633 --> 01:07:02,166
But as a five-year-old kid,
like, I'm scared every day.

1212
01:07:07,467 --> 01:07:10,000
I remember being
pretty young, and...

1213
01:07:10,967 --> 01:07:13,066
remember getting the strap,
and I'm saying,

1214
01:07:13,633 --> 01:07:14,400
you know, "That hurts."

1215
01:07:17,567 --> 01:07:18,867
We had to be totally naked.

1216
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:22,567
I'm like, "Why?
It hurts enough."

1217
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:30,567
I came up with a technique
that if I went to sleep,

1218
01:07:30,967 --> 01:07:32,200
I would rock

1219
01:07:33,367 --> 01:07:35,967
like an idiot so violently
that Darress couldn't grab me

1220
01:07:36,734 --> 01:07:38,200
and strangle me.
I'd have a chance.

1221
01:07:39,734 --> 01:07:41,000
I love my mother,

1222
01:07:42,066 --> 01:07:44,266
but for her to allow that,

1223
01:07:45,667 --> 01:07:47,266
there's a big giant
question mark.

1224
01:07:51,000 --> 01:07:53,567
[Jean] My mother was controlled
by him the whole time.

1225
01:07:57,734 --> 01:07:59,367
I don't know what
my mother knew,

1226
01:08:00,300 --> 01:08:03,867
but when my mother was
dying of cancer,

1227
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:07,066
she actually approached me
before she died.

1228
01:08:08,500 --> 01:08:10,200
And she asked me,

1229
01:08:13,066 --> 01:08:14,667
"Was I in love with him?"

1230
01:08:15,767 --> 01:08:17,367
My mother actually
asked me that,

1231
01:08:18,000 --> 01:08:19,066
if I was in love with him.

1232
01:08:19,834 --> 01:08:20,734
And I said,
"You know what, Mom?

1233
01:08:23,166 --> 01:08:24,467
I couldn't stand the man."

1234
01:08:25,834 --> 01:08:28,066
[muffled voices from TV]

1235
01:08:31,767 --> 01:08:35,734
[Jean]
This is how great this man
was a manipulator.

1236
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:42,000
He would gaslight her
and change the story around

1237
01:08:42,900 --> 01:08:45,166
to make me look
like I was the bad person.

1238
01:08:47,900 --> 01:08:51,667
[Mike] My mom can't say
that she didn't know something.

1239
01:08:52,867 --> 01:08:54,000
There must have been things
like, you know, him waking up

1240
01:08:55,100 --> 01:08:56,166
at 2 o'clock in the morning
and sneaking downstairs

1241
01:08:56,867 --> 01:08:57,367
or sneaking into the bedrooms.

1242
01:09:00,467 --> 01:09:02,066
I just don't think she knew
how to handle it.

1243
01:09:03,567 --> 01:09:06,367
Which leaves me questioning,
like, what the heck?

1244
01:09:10,400 --> 01:09:11,667
[Jean]
I forgive my mom.

1245
01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:18,567
I understand that she
probably -- she went through...

1246
01:09:19,266 --> 01:09:19,767
She probably went through hell.

1247
01:09:21,400 --> 01:09:23,567
She deserved, really,
a whole lot more,

1248
01:09:26,166 --> 01:09:27,467
because she was a good person.

1249
01:09:30,266 --> 01:09:32,867
[Mike] My mom and Jean
were super close,

1250
01:09:33,967 --> 01:09:36,300
regardless of the stuff
that went on in this house.

1251
01:09:37,266 --> 01:09:38,567
Jean never gave up on my mom,

1252
01:09:39,333 --> 01:09:41,100
and my mom never
gave up on Jean.

1253
01:09:41,967 --> 01:09:43,900
I understand that it
was not my fault.

1254
01:09:44,667 --> 01:09:47,867
I know that he was
a sick person.

1255
01:09:48,433 --> 01:09:49,834
I've learned that now.

1256
01:09:50,834 --> 01:09:51,867
After all of these years,
I learned that now.

1257
01:09:55,467 --> 01:09:58,767
It turned out that there was
a lot of families

1258
01:09:59,333 --> 01:10:00,000
that had that secret.

1259
01:10:01,266 --> 01:10:02,667
I was not the only one.

1260
01:10:04,467 --> 01:10:07,834
Mr. Darress was a predator
everywhere he went.

1261
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:11,900
[sinister music playing]

1262
01:10:25,667 --> 01:10:27,967
[Chris] As I started doing
more research,

1263
01:10:29,467 --> 01:10:32,467
I found Richard Darress had
a pattern of abuse.

1264
01:10:33,934 --> 01:10:36,934
He went to a new family.
He did the same thing there.

1265
01:10:37,834 --> 01:10:39,967
He was sexually harassing
the daughter.

1266
01:10:41,200 --> 01:10:43,967
So it shows what kind of person
he is, and that he repeatedly

1267
01:10:44,533 --> 01:10:45,100
showed this behavior.

1268
01:10:47,166 --> 01:10:49,300
He's a predator.
That's the bottom line.

1269
01:10:50,266 --> 01:10:52,567
Don't be fooled by the words
and the bullshit

1270
01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:55,734
that he's gonna sell you.
He's a predator,

1271
01:10:56,433 --> 01:10:57,834
child molester.
That we know.

1272
01:10:58,800 --> 01:11:01,834
[Steve] I had a conversation
with my cousin.

1273
01:11:02,900 --> 01:11:06,867
She told me, my aunt,
told my father that Darress

1274
01:11:07,400 --> 01:11:08,567
was exposing himself

1275
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:10,734
at the house.

1276
01:11:11,800 --> 01:11:14,266
He was exposing himself
to the girls.

1277
01:11:15,266 --> 01:11:18,166
So this is when he had just
moved in, I guess.

1278
01:11:19,867 --> 01:11:25,000
And I wonder, to this day,
if that was the day

1279
01:11:25,533 --> 01:11:26,667
that my father died.

1280
01:11:27,767 --> 01:11:30,367
Was that the day that he went
home and he confronted

1281
01:11:31,467 --> 01:11:33,867
either Darress or my mother,
and then Darress got up

1282
01:11:34,834 --> 01:11:35,767
behind him and hit
him with the pipe wrench?

1283
01:11:40,667 --> 01:11:42,967
[Mike] I think he stood up
to him, told him to get out.

1284
01:11:44,834 --> 01:11:46,967
But the thing is, let's assume
it's true that,

1285
01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:48,367
you know, that did happen.

1286
01:11:50,934 --> 01:11:53,467
Then my mom is
the question mark.

1287
01:11:56,767 --> 01:12:00,567
She knew that this guy was
in my house, our house,

1288
01:12:01,367 --> 01:12:02,667
and he was unbalanced
and unsafe.

1289
01:12:03,867 --> 01:12:06,266
And my question is, why would
you allow him to stay here?

1290
01:12:10,266 --> 01:12:13,767
As a man, as a father,

1291
01:12:14,934 --> 01:12:19,500
I don't understand how somebody
could just not acknowledge

1292
01:12:20,367 --> 01:12:22,266
the crimes against
your kids like that.

1293
01:12:22,834 --> 01:12:23,467
That leaves me hanging.

1294
01:12:27,166 --> 01:12:29,100
[Chris] I've kind of been
thinking about how

1295
01:12:30,300 --> 01:12:33,166
all the abuse that she let
happen to her kids

1296
01:12:34,100 --> 01:12:36,266
that no mother could ever allow

1297
01:12:37,066 --> 01:12:38,166
kind of plays
a role in the story.

1298
01:12:39,266 --> 01:12:42,667
And I thought maybe
it's possible that

1299
01:12:43,834 --> 01:12:46,166
there was some sort of blackmail
type of situation where

1300
01:12:47,400 --> 01:12:49,734
Darress and my grandma were
having an affair,

1301
01:12:51,166 --> 01:12:54,567
and he said, "Don't worry,
I'll take care of this.

1302
01:12:55,333 --> 01:12:55,834
You won't have
to know anything."

1303
01:12:56,734 --> 01:12:57,867
And maybe...

1304
01:12:59,667 --> 01:13:03,166
Darress buried him,
and from that day forward,

1305
01:13:04,233 --> 01:13:06,200
he has that over her,
and maybe she was too scared

1306
01:13:07,367 --> 01:13:10,266
to say anything about the abuse
because he would just say

1307
01:13:10,967 --> 01:13:13,066
that she murdered my grandpa.

1308
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,867
If my mother did tell
the authorities about

1309
01:13:20,967 --> 01:13:22,367
the situation between Jean
and my father, it's gonna

1310
01:13:23,500 --> 01:13:25,467
open up the can of worms
of the death of George Carroll,

1311
01:13:26,767 --> 01:13:30,367
and then they lose now
both parents and their home

1312
01:13:31,300 --> 01:13:32,467
and their whole livelihood.

1313
01:13:33,767 --> 01:13:35,867
It's a big bind.
It's a big bind to be in.

1314
01:13:37,200 --> 01:13:39,166
I'm not happy the way
I'm thinking about this,

1315
01:13:39,734 --> 01:13:40,467
to be honest with you.

1316
01:13:42,367 --> 01:13:46,867
I believe my mother just was
making sure that she took care

1317
01:13:48,000 --> 01:13:49,266
of her children, and that was
the number one priority

1318
01:13:49,700 --> 01:13:50,600
to my mother.

1319
01:13:54,500 --> 01:13:56,200
No.
Mom did not know

1320
01:13:56,767 --> 01:13:57,367
he was under the house.

1321
01:13:59,367 --> 01:14:01,767
There's nothing you can tell me

1322
01:14:02,834 --> 01:14:06,100
that indicates my mother
was a willing participant

1323
01:14:06,667 --> 01:14:07,367
in the murder of my dad.

1324
01:14:08,867 --> 01:14:11,266
Mom was afraid.
She was scared.

1325
01:14:12,200 --> 01:14:13,367
She was abused, just like
everybody else.

1326
01:14:14,333 --> 01:14:15,166
[Dorothy]
I'm the queen of
the whole place.

1327
01:14:16,734 --> 01:14:19,400
[Steve]
I have often thought,
"Why, if my mother knew,

1328
01:14:20,734 --> 01:14:25,166
why didn't she ultimately tell
us when she was sick?"

1329
01:14:27,467 --> 01:14:29,567
But now I think about it, I go,
"I don't think I would have

1330
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:31,200
told my kids."

1331
01:14:31,734 --> 01:14:32,567
I think if my mother

1332
01:14:33,667 --> 01:14:35,600
contemplated...

1333
01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,467
telling us what
actually happened,

1334
01:14:39,367 --> 01:14:40,867
it would tarnish the way
we thought of her.

1335
01:14:41,867 --> 01:14:43,367
And we thought very highly
of her.

1336
01:14:45,467 --> 01:14:46,567
We loved her.

1337
01:14:53,100 --> 01:14:56,166
I'm gonna tell you
one very interesting

1338
01:14:56,734 --> 01:14:57,734
moment of my wedding.

1339
01:15:01,667 --> 01:15:04,266
My mother and my father
were on the dance floor.

1340
01:15:05,400 --> 01:15:07,567
My mother was looking up
at my father, nodding her head,

1341
01:15:08,467 --> 01:15:09,767
and my father was just
crying hysterical.

1342
01:15:11,667 --> 01:15:12,867
What were they saying?

1343
01:15:18,734 --> 01:15:21,100
I get emotional because
they're just talking about me,

1344
01:15:21,633 --> 01:15:23,100
how I've I grew up.

1345
01:15:23,667 --> 01:15:25,066
"We raised a good kid."

1346
01:15:25,834 --> 01:15:27,066
You know, good life,
good family,

1347
01:15:27,867 --> 01:15:28,667
or were they talking about,
"Hey,

1348
01:15:29,734 --> 01:15:32,266
we potentially got away
with murder at this point."

1349
01:15:38,100 --> 01:15:39,867
You got it, buddy.
You ready?

1350
01:15:40,533 --> 01:15:41,100
You ready?
[Richard grunts]

1351
01:15:41,800 --> 01:15:43,166
[excited panting and whining]

1352
01:15:44,767 --> 01:15:45,867
Let's go.

1353
01:15:46,767 --> 01:15:47,867
Let's go.

1354
01:15:48,300 --> 01:15:49,600
The truth is,

1355
01:15:50,166 --> 01:15:51,100
we're never gonna know.

1356
01:15:51,533 --> 01:15:52,667
[engine roars]

1357
01:15:56,734 --> 01:15:59,767
[Mike] You know, Richie,
he volunteered to come

1358
01:16:00,734 --> 01:16:02,367
and help me put the dirt
back in the hole.

1359
01:16:03,767 --> 01:16:07,000
I'm so glad it was him,
because it needed to be him.

1360
01:16:08,100 --> 01:16:09,767
That's how I felt.

1361
01:16:10,367 --> 01:16:11,000
And we did it together.

1362
01:16:12,500 --> 01:16:13,767
I do feel...

1363
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:16,100
that...

1364
01:16:17,066 --> 01:16:18,667
as incomplete as this is...,

1365
01:16:20,867 --> 01:16:23,367
it's the closest
I've ever been to...

1366
01:16:25,367 --> 01:16:27,000
following through with love.

1367
01:16:29,867 --> 01:16:31,667
The truth is,

1368
01:16:32,033 --> 01:16:33,100
[sniffles]

1369
01:16:34,300 --> 01:16:35,667
this whole thing is about
loving something that we didn't

1370
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:39,567
know was there.
We have faith in it, though.

1371
01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,100
And that's pretty damn
cool, you know?

1372
01:16:43,767 --> 01:16:44,266
Like, you have faith in it.

1373
01:16:46,734 --> 01:16:48,400
My mission was to find my dad.

1374
01:16:49,467 --> 01:16:50,934
And that mission is completed.

1375
01:16:57,400 --> 01:16:59,767
I have my dad with me
at all times.

1376
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,667
I think of him every day.
I talk to him every day.

1377
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:09,166
It just feels great to have
him with me at all times.

1378
01:17:10,867 --> 01:17:13,767
I'm sorry he's in
a wonton soup container.

1379
01:17:15,166 --> 01:17:16,500
I hope he liked wonton.

1380
01:17:16,867 --> 01:17:18,500
[chuckles]

1381
01:17:27,467 --> 01:17:28,567
[Steve]
Well, there wasn't much

1382
01:17:30,033 --> 01:17:34,500
that I ever had that my father
actually owned or gave to me.

1383
01:17:37,667 --> 01:17:41,467
I guess the shoes just kind
of give me some connection.

1384
01:17:42,867 --> 01:17:44,266
This is all I have.

1385
01:17:46,467 --> 01:17:48,667
But the thought of him wearing
these shoes when he was

1386
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:50,166
in that hole, and they were
in the ground

1387
01:17:50,734 --> 01:17:52,934
for 55 years, it's just,

1388
01:17:53,867 --> 01:17:55,266
it's kinda hard to wrap
my brain around it.

1389
01:17:59,567 --> 01:18:01,834
-[Jean] I love that smell.
-[medium] Thank you.

1390
01:18:02,133 --> 01:18:02,934
Hold on.

1391
01:18:04,300 --> 01:18:06,100
[Jean]
Feels like a whole new
beginning when you spray

1392
01:18:07,066 --> 01:18:07,667
that, right?
-[medium] That's what it's for.

1393
01:18:08,633 --> 01:18:09,500
-Exactly -- It clears the air.
-[Jean] Yeah.

1394
01:18:11,467 --> 01:18:15,066
[medium]
So we have no negative vibes
when I start channeling.

1395
01:18:16,300 --> 01:18:17,400
So.

1396
01:18:19,867 --> 01:18:20,967
My little...

1397
01:18:23,767 --> 01:18:24,967
space.

1398
01:18:27,967 --> 01:18:31,166
Actually, both your mother
and father are coming in.

1399
01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,567
To answer a question
that's been on your mind,

1400
01:18:36,333 --> 01:18:38,066
he said,
"Nobody else was there."

1401
01:18:39,100 --> 01:18:40,934
It was just him and his friend
when it happened.

1402
01:18:42,266 --> 01:18:43,266
Do you understand
what I'm saying?

1403
01:18:43,767 --> 01:18:44,667
[Jean] Yes, I do.

1404
01:18:45,834 --> 01:18:47,100
[medium]
Your mother just ran over
and gave you a big hug

1405
01:18:47,667 --> 01:18:48,867
and a kiss, and she...

1406
01:18:51,166 --> 01:18:53,867
She's literally apologizing
to you for the...

1407
01:18:55,166 --> 01:18:56,667
more than abuse.

1408
01:18:57,433 --> 01:18:58,100
-Do you understand that?
-Mm-hmm.

1409
01:19:01,000 --> 01:19:03,367
[medium] She didn't, she
went like this, I didn't see.

1410
01:19:04,133 --> 01:19:06,567
I didn't see.
But she does know.

1411
01:19:07,133 --> 01:19:07,834
And she does see now.

1412
01:19:09,367 --> 01:19:10,667
She's very emotional.

1413
01:19:13,300 --> 01:19:15,600
She said, "Can you please
tell her I love her?"

1414
01:19:17,667 --> 01:19:20,300
You could tell her that.
Well, I could tell her.

1415
01:19:21,533 --> 01:19:22,667
-[medium] Yeah,
she's right here.
-That I still love her.

1416
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:24,734
I always did.
No matter what.

1417
01:19:32,767 --> 01:19:36,600
I really wish that when
my mom was dying

1418
01:19:37,266 --> 01:19:39,100
that she told me the truth.

1419
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:41,467
I wish, but that didn't happen.

1420
01:19:43,367 --> 01:19:44,767
Come on, let's do it.

1421
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:47,000
[Michael] Listen, buster,
I make the rules here.

1422
01:19:47,367 --> 01:19:48,000
[Mike] OK.

1423
01:19:48,667 --> 01:19:49,767
You know, it's a conundrum.

1424
01:19:50,767 --> 01:19:52,266
I don't have answers,
but ignorance is bliss.

1425
01:19:55,000 --> 01:19:57,000
I guess that's what you do.
You don't blame your mom.

1426
01:19:59,066 --> 01:20:00,266
I don't wanna blame my mom.

1427
01:20:07,967 --> 01:20:09,000
[quiet piano notes]

1428
01:20:09,667 --> 01:20:10,266
[Michael] Well, that's out.

1429
01:20:11,166 --> 01:20:12,567
I think that's a little
off-key there, OK.

1430
01:20:13,133 --> 01:20:15,500
[off-key piano notes]

1431
01:20:16,000 --> 01:20:16,667
[Michael]
Nope.

1432
01:20:17,233 --> 01:20:19,266
[piano notes continue]

1433
01:20:20,667 --> 01:20:23,166
[Mike] There's nothing we can
do about the past.

1434
01:20:24,667 --> 01:20:27,567
So, we're not gonna delve
on the past.

1435
01:20:28,233 --> 01:20:28,600
You gotta stand up and bow.

1436
01:20:29,367 --> 01:20:30,734
["Moonlight Sonata" by
Beethoven]

1437
01:20:31,367 --> 01:20:32,767
Thank you very much there.

1438
01:20:33,266 --> 01:20:34,367
Look at this guy.

1439
01:20:35,266 --> 01:20:37,500
Holy crap.
These are my boys doing that.

1440
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:42,734
I just gotta move on.

1441
01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:47,767
Well, another era gone.

1442
01:20:48,867 --> 01:20:49,867
What do you think, baby?

1443
01:20:50,700 --> 01:20:50,934
[Michael]
Good job on the left hand.

1444
01:20:51,900 --> 01:20:52,767
-What?
-Good job on the left hand.

1445
01:20:53,867 --> 01:20:54,834
-[Chris] Good job, Mike.
-[Mike] You guys are awesome.

1446
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:57,467
All right, time
for Captain Crunch.

1447
01:20:57,834 --> 01:20:58,567
Let's go.

1448
01:21:03,166 --> 01:21:04,500
[Mike] Oh, gosh.

1449
01:21:08,467 --> 01:21:10,000
Change is good.

1450
01:21:10,433 --> 01:21:11,166
Change is good.

1451
01:21:16,266 --> 01:21:17,467
Beautiful day out today.

1452
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,400
["So Alive" by
Love and Rockets playing]

1453
01:21:38,600 --> 01:21:41,467
[all cheering]

1454
01:21:46,967 --> 01:21:50,567
♪ But your hair is
long and brown ♪

1455
01:21:52,500 --> 01:21:55,600
♪ Your legs are strong,
and they're so, so long ♪

1456
01:21:56,500 --> 01:21:58,734
♪ And you don't come
from this town ♪

1457
01:22:00,266 --> 01:22:03,867
♪ My head is full
of magic, baby ♪

1458
01:22:04,734 --> 01:22:07,000
♪ And I can't share this
with you ♪

1459
01:22:08,367 --> 01:22:12,066
♪ Feel I'm on a cross
again lately ♪

1460
01:22:12,967 --> 01:22:15,867
♪ But there's nothing
to do with you ♪

1461
01:22:16,667 --> 01:22:21,266
♪ I'm alive
huh, huh, so alive ♪

1462
01:22:24,166 --> 01:22:30,300
♪ I'm alive,
huh, huh, so alive ♪

1463
01:22:32,467 --> 01:22:37,200
♪ I feel I'm on top -- on top --
on top -- on top ♪

1464
01:22:38,133 --> 01:22:40,734
-[tape continues skipping]
-[all laughing]

1465
01:22:41,400 --> 01:22:43,867
-[music resumes]
-[cheering]

1466
01:22:56,166 --> 01:22:58,767
-[cheering]
-[clapping]