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[dramatic note plays]

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[woman] February of 2005.
I will never forget that day.

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I was 26, and I was so sick of the snow
and the ice in Michigan.

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I was substitute teaching.

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I didn't like driving in the snow,
so I'd stayed home.

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Like around noon,
I'm just kind of waking up,

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and I looked outside my blinds,

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and there's this odd car
parked behind the apartment.

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And it wouldn't leave.

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All of a sudden,
there was a knock at my door.

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[knocking echoes]

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Dad had ingrained in me "stranger danger."

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Make them prove to you who they are.

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[door opens]

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And so I cracked the door,
and I put my foot in it.

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I'm like, "Well, maybe I can
stop him from coming in."

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He's like, "I need to question you."

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So I'm like, "What is going on?"

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He's like, "Have you heard of BTK?"

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[intense music playing]

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An individual who has
the uncontrollable desire to kill.

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[anchor]
A community in shock over the arrest

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of the suspected so-called BTK killer.

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[man] BTK. Bind, torture, and kill.

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And then he goes, "Your dad is BTK."

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-[anchor 1] Dennis Rader.
-[anchor 2] Dennis Rader.

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[man] Dennis L. Rader.

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[reporter 1] 59 years old,
Rader is married with two children.

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He was an active member of
Christ Lutheran Church, a Scout leader,

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and worked for the suburban community
of Park City as a compliance officer.

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[reporter 2] The seemingly ordinary
family man who's accused of killing

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at least ten people
over the last three decades.

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[reporter 3] For years, police in Wichita,
Kansas, say Dennis Rader lived and killed

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among his friends and neighbors.

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He was doing all the things
that every other dad was doing.

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A sexual sadist.

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To kill was the thrill.

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Can you imagine
finding out that your father

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is one of the most evil people on Earth?

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[woman] I don't know who my father is,
what he was hiding.

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Was he using my family to hide?

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Was he using us that whole time?

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It's hard to know who I am
if every moment in my life was a lie.

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[somber music playing]

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[woman] I would have sworn a year ago

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that my father
had just murdered ten people.

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I'd been told from the get-go
by the FBI, the detectives,

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"Oh, just the ten. Just the ten.
It was just the ten."

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We've got a possible twist in the case
involving the notorious BTK killer.

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[reporter 2] This morning, authorities say
the notorious BTK killer

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who terrorized people in Kansas
during the 1970s

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could be linked to two more
unsolved cases in other states.

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And I was like, "What is going on?"

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And the next thing I know,

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the police called me to talk about it.

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I know him better than anyone
probably in the world.

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Investigators can go in with all their
knowledge and all their evidence,

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but I'm the one that can, like,
crack his codes and crack him.

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If my father has committed more murders,

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it's important to know,

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because it gives answers to the families
that have been waiting for decades.

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Those families deserve answers,
and the truth is the truth.

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But the counterargument is…
like, my life has value too,

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and to what level do I sacrifice?

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And what level do I put myself
through trauma to try to help?

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[intriguing music playing]

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My father was arrested in '05,
and I was 26.

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We had everybody from Oprah to Larry King
trying to interview us, Diane Sawyer,

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and my family just said no.

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So we had declined everything.

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I'm checking all the boxes right.
I'm cooking, I'm raising kids,

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stay-at-home mom,
leading women's ministry.

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You would say, "Hey, she's doing great."

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But the truth was that I was dying inside.
They just didn't know I was hiding.

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I spent almost ten years
rotting inside after he was arrested,

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not being able to speak, not thinking
I was allowed to speak, you know,

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the Midwest code, you don't ever
air your dirty laundry publicly.

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You just keep it inside,
and you look appropriate on the outside.

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That's how I was raised.

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And then in September of '14,
I was headed to bed,

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and Darian, my husband at the time,

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he goes, "Hey, Stephen King was on,
like, a morning TV show."

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"He was talking about your parents

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because he wrote a short story and
made a movie called The Good Marriage."

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-Tell us about this. I mean, Dennis Rader…
-[King] Mm-hmm.

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…the guy who's
this real-life sort of model.

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He was a prototype for,
uh, the guy in my… in my story,

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and, uh, he murdered ten people,
two of them were children,

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and he had a long marriage,
two kids of his own, and his wife said,

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after he was caught,

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uh, that she… she never knew.

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And I'm sitting up in bed,
I'm upset, I'm crying, I'm out of the bed,

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walking back and forth,
you know, just really upset.

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Like, even upset at my husband
and upset at Stephen King and just, like,

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wishing none of this was happening.

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I had been silent for so long,

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and there was so much stuff
that needed to come out.

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My first interview ever, you know, I just
spilled my guts for, like, 40 minutes

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about who I was… who my dad was…

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my mom, my life married,
what the last ten years have been like.

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And I was headline news,
like, by that night,

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and then international news
by the next day.

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[man] Kerri, thank you for taking
some time to come on the program.

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Thank you for having me.

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When the FBI agent notified me,
I was, like, holding onto the wall.

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Everything I cared for was gone.

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I was killing myself internalizing this
and not talking about it.

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I wasn't thinking
it was that big of a deal.

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I wasn't watching my mouth.

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I had upset a lot of people
with the words just… coming out of me.

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And I just was, like, upset that

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he had decided to use our…
my parents for inspiration.

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I'm going to always love my dad.
I mean, he's my dad.

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But I hadn't really gotten into

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what my father had done as BTK.
I hadn't gone into the crimes.

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And I was in therapy,
and it was getting all really mixed up.

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Was he using my family to hide?
Did he really love my mom?

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Did he really love us,
or was he using us that whole time?

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I kind of went and grabbed everything
and researched my own life

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and researched my dad's life
to be able to talk about it.

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It was all just a big, jumbled mess.

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[disturbing music playing]

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[police siren wailing]

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In 1974, my dad destroyed four members
of a seven-member family.

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A few months before that,
he had been laid off from Cessna.

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And he really liked that job.

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And so he said when he got laid off
in the fall of 1973, he got depressed.

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And moody and bored.

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And he said, you know,
"Idle hands make for devil's work."

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And he started thinking about bad things
and putting those into action.

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[Richard LaMunyon] In 1974,
I was a bureau captain

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for the Wichita Police Department.

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Our police chief retired,
and there was a nationwide search

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for a new police chief.

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And I thought, "Well, what the heck.
I think I'll put in for it."

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"I won't get it, but I'll put in for it."

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[suspenseful music playing]

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I think there was
110 applicants or something.

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I ended up with the job.

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[Larry Hatteberg]
Wichita was a very calm, Midwestern city.

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People go about their business.

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And Wichita, at that time,

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you didn't lock your doors,
you didn't lock your car.

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It was just a very calm,
wonderful place to live.

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[LaMunyon] Some of the things that I did
when I first became the chief,

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there were some major cases that were
going on that had happened in the past.

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Of course, when I became chief,

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the possibility of a serial killer
didn't enter my mind.

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-[indistinct chatter on police radio]
-[sirens wailing]

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[reporter] The bodies of Joseph Otero,
his wife Julie, their daughter Josephine,

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and their son Joseph II were discovered
in their East Wichita home.

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[Hatteberg] In 1974, I was just
a photojournalist at KAKE Television,

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and I was sent to a house.

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We knew that
there had been a homicide there.

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We didn't know how many.
We didn't have details on it.

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I noticed that nobody was talking.

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The detectives had clammed up.

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[LaMunyon] Older boy, Charlie,
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and he walked in
and found this horrendous scene.

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His parents murdered,
his brother and sister murdered,

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and he completely lost it.

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He tried to untie them,

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and then he ran next door to seek help.

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Traumatic… for him.
It would have been for anyone.

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[man] This is a very bizarre case
for this area of the country.

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I think it's the worst one that I've seen

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in the 30 years that
I've been involved in homicide work.

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And we're not going to give up on it.

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It was just a horrible, terrible murder.

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How could anybody… anybody kill a child?

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That didn't happen here.

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[sirens, police radio chatter]

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[LaMunyon] I was briefed in the Otero case

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from the command staff in investigations.

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The direction that they were taking was
that because of the nature of the crime,

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they thought it was
some kind of a revenge crime,

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or perhaps some kind of
a drug-related thing.

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But then again, the other investigators
were looking at the sexual aspect of it.

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Keep in mind, there's not just
one or two investigators on this.

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There are several, and they're going
in several different directions

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to try to solve this thing.

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[turn signal clicking]

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[Rawson sighs dejectedly]

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It's depressing to see Wichita
just run down in places.

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You know, like it's just…
It's always been run down in places,

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but it's just depressing as hell.

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It is not pleasant to go to Wichita.

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I mean, it is high levels of PTSD.

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Something will instantly hit me,
and I'll go…

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I will… go into trauma world.

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I totally forgot that
I used to hike, ride bikes,

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and, um, hike along this ditch with Dad.

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Dad taught me the back roads,

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and how to drive those
instead of the highway.

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He actually had more patience and was
calmer and cooler about it than my mom.

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My mom would, like, freak out.

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He was pretty fun to hang out with,
because he would let you, like,

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do what you wanted, and get into trouble,

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and get dirty, and he didn't care.

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This is Christ Lutheran Church,
here at 53rd and Hillside.

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Mom and Dad met at church
in August of '70.

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It was like love at first sight
for both of them.

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And they got married,
like, nine months later.

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Probably my earliest memories
are when I was, like, two or three.

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My house was a three-bedroom house.
We had a big garden growing up.

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Dad built us
this massive treehouse on stilts.

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We used to camp out in the treehouse.

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We helped with yard work.
He taught me how to garden,

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how to plant flowers.

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He took me to the hardware store

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every Saturday to get stuff
when we were building the treehouse.

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My dad never treated me like a girl.

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He treated me like a tomboy
and let me do whatever he was doing.

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So as soon as I was walking,
I was right there by him.

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[Andrea Rogers]
Kerri and I are the same age,

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so we went through school together.

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She was from the same neighborhood.

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So we did Halloweens together.
We did soccer team together.

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We did everything.

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It was a very small community,
small town, so you knew everybody.

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Growing up with the Raders,
they were like every other family.

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I mean, he did all the things
that all the dads did.

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We called him the dogcatcher of Park City.

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[pensive music playing]

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[Rader] We've been tracking 'em down.

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The dogs are somewhat territorial
as well as vicious,

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and we've been trying to round them up
and corral them as best as we can,

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working with the reporting parties
of where the sheep were killed.

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[Rogers] He didn't just do dog catching.

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He also did, like, violations for
if your weeds are too high or whatever.

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If somebody got a violation in Park City,
we would always make a joke like, "Oh,

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Dennis had his little ruler out again."

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[Rawson] My father, on the outside,

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looked like a very well-behaved,
mild-mannered man.

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But there's these moments of Dad.

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Something will trigger him,
and he can flip on a dime,

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and it can be dangerous.

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And as a kid, you just knew,

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"I better not have my shoes out because
I'm gonna get yelled at about my shoes."

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So you just knew not to sit
in Dad's chair at the kitchen table.

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You knew to let him get lunch first.

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You let him choose
what activities you were gonna do,

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what movies, where you were going…

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Like, a lot of control, right?

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And now you realize, like,
who my father is, what he was hiding…

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-[intriguing music playing]
-[traffic passing]

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[typing, office chatter]

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[Bill Hirschman] The Wichita Eagle
was a daily newspaper.

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We had about 125 people
working in the newsroom.

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That would include photojournalists,
that would include

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sports, business, whatever.

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Virtually everybody.

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It was exciting.

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Otero was talked about
for a long time, because

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you didn't have four people killed,
including children, before.

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I should point out that
there's a lot of stuff about this

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that wasn't known until later.

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The police would say, "This was vicious,"

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or "This is what they did,"
or "They tied this one up."

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But there's so much that was not known.

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We knew it was horrible,
but we didn't know how horrible.

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[LaMunyon] We had to keep certain things
in the investigation secret.

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In other words, we didn't want
the community to know some of the details.

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And then, in October of '74,

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the department arrested
the Sebring brothers.

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These guys were pedophiles,
is what they were.

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They admitted, once they got in,
that they had killed the Otero family.

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Well, of course, this was major news,

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and it was drawing a lot of attention
from the news media.

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And that prompted the letter.

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[dramatic music playing]

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[Hatteberg]
The Wichita Eagle gets this letter.

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Someone came forward and says, "Hey."

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"The three guys in jail
you have didn't do it."

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"And the reason I know is…"

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Basically, "I did it."

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[LaMunyon] The details
that were depicted in that

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clearly indicated

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that the person that wrote the letter
was the person that committed the crime.

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At the time, he was seeking identity.

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The letter said, and I quote,

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"I write this letter to you for the sake
of the taxpayer, as well as your time."

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"Those three dudes you have in custody,

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they know nothing at all.
I did it all by myself."

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And then he starts to talk about
each person he killed.

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"Bondage, hand-tied with blind cord."

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"Feet and lower knees, upper knees,
and waist with a clothesline cord,

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all one length."

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"Death, strangulation."

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The police department
had to have cold chills

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because they have pictures
of what it was like.

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He's describing it totally,
100% accurately.

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He added a PS to his note.

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"PS. Since sex criminals do not change
their MO or by nature cannot do so,

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I will not change mine."

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"The code words for me will be

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bind them, torture them, kill them."

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"B.T.K. You'll see he's at it again."

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"They will be on the next victim."

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[music intensifies]

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Of course, keep in mind you're not dealing
with a, quote, "normal" criminal.

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You're dealing with a person
who is perverted, a person that is sick.

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And with all probability,
assuming that the person is still alive,

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that person is gonna kill again.

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We had profilers from the FBI
that was providing us information.

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And what we were being told was,
"If he's not killing here,

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he's killing someone else…
somewhere else."

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And so we put out
an alert to other departments

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and we sent detectives
to several different places

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to see if we had some kind of a killer
that was hitting other places.

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And we could never
put those together at all.

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And our conclusion was that the reason
we couldn't find this individual

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is that he's one of us.

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[indistinct chatter on radio]

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Now we have someone, locally,
that we need to concentrate on

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and we need to identify.

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Shirley Vian was a single mother.

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She had three children.

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She was home ill at the time
and was not feeling well.

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So Shirley had sent
her six-year-old out to the store.

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And then on his way back,
he's confronted with this man

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with a briefcase,

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and a discussion between them took place.

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And as a result of that discussion,
whatever that was,

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the man gained entry into the house.

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The assailant locks the three children
in the bathroom.

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They recognized that he's doing
something terrible to their mother.

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So as a result of that,
they're able to escape

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through the window of the bathroom

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in order to scream and seek for help.

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Once the assailant ran out of the house,

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the kids go back in and, of course,
they find their mother dead on the bed.

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[somber music playing]

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[indistinct chatter over police radio]

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When this case came in,
the investigators informed me

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that after viewing the scene,
that they believed

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that this could be connected
to the Otero case

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because of the way the scene was left.

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[man] Twenty-six-year-old Shirley Vian
was found with a plastic bag over her head

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and a cord looped around her neck.

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Her children, who were locked
in a bathroom, told police

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the attacker was a dark-haired man
in his late thirties or forties.

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At the time, it was decided not to make
a direct correlation between them

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until it could be determined for sure.

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[suspenseful music playing]

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[man on phone] You will find a homicide
at… [static] …South Pershing.

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Nancy Fox.

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[operator] 43 South Pershing?

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[man] That is correct.

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[reporter] 25-year-old Nancy Jo Fox

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was found dead
in her Pershing Street apartment.

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She had been bound and strangled.

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The slaying was reported
by a man in a phone booth.

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Police theorized the caller
was the murderer.

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[announcer] If you recognize that voice,
call 268-4156.

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[LaMunyon] With the Nancy Fox case,
the phone line had been cut,

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similar to the Otero case.

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Based on the evidence that we had,
it was clear in our mind, at that point,

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that the Otero case,
the Shirley Vian case,

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and the Nancy Fox case

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were a result of the same individual.

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And that set the investigation off

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for a serial killer.

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[gloomy music playing]

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[LaMunyon] On February 10th, 1978,

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I received a call from Larry Hatteberg
asking me to come over

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and look at a letter
that they'd received at KAKE Television.

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[Hatteberg] The receptionist
who sorted our mail

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found this letter from BTK.

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And she brought it back into the newsroom
and she handed it to me.

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I opened it, I looked at it,

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and I thought, "Oh my God, here we go."

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We confront the chief of police.

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We say, "We've got this letter."

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"And here's the letter."

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"In return, we would like you
to come and be on our newscast tonight."

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And I thought he was going to say no.

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And he called in the chief of detectives.

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They conversed for about 20 minutes.

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And then they come out, and he says,

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"Okay, I will be on
your newscast tonight."

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With us right now is
Chief of Police Richard LaMunyon.

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I have a couple of questions, Chief.

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How can you be sure
that the BTK letter is authentic?

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There's absolutely no question
that the only person

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who would have the type of information
that was included in the letter

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would have to be the killer himself.

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[anchor] BTK began
today's letter with a question.

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"How many do I have to kill
before I get a name in the paper

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or some national attention?"

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BTK claims to have strangled
a total of seven women.

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He provided a list of his victims,
beginning with the number five,

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where he wrote,
"You guess the motive and the victim."

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This was the first time that anyone
outside the police department

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was made aware that there was a connection

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between the Otero murders,
the Vian murder, and the Fox murders,

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and a seventh murder
that hadn't been identified.

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[LaMunyon] We have
an obligation to the community

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to figure out who this new victim was.

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Any way that we could keep him
communicating with us,

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hopefully, would give us
the opportunity to put together

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enough evidence to get some answers
and find out who this individual was.

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[Hatteberg] I always felt
that Richard LaMunyon

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was the finest police chief
that Wichita had ever had.

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Richard LaMunyon was
one of those police chiefs who,

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when he got on a mission
to find a criminal, he didn't let go.

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He was like a dog, and he had
the information in his teeth,

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and he wasn't gonna let anybody else
derail him from his mission.

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[anchor] This morning,
Police Chief Richard LaMunyon

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met with detectives working on the case.

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Police frankly admit
that they have lots of tips to check,

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but nothing to indicate
a major break in the case.

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Tonight, LaMunyon will gather
with a group of experts to study

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all the available evidence
in the investigation.

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[man] In the letter to KAKE,
BTK talked about killing seven people,

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but he did not name one of his victims.

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There have been many
unsolved homicides over the years,

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and police aren't sure
who the seventh BTK victim was.

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Several sources in the department,
however, think it was Kathryn Bright.

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[LaMunyon] In April 1978,

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a man named Kevin Bright

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was shot in the head, and ran outside,

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yelling that there was a man in the house

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that had shot him, and that
his sister, Kathryn, was in there,

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and that he had come in to rob them.

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Kathryn Bright's brother, Kevin,
had witnessed part of the murder,

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and he was able to tell police,
to some degree, what happened.

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[LaMunyon] We found Kathryn Bright,
stabbed, in her house.

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Kathryn was a college student
at Wichita State University.

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She normally came home alone.

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In this particular case,
she came home with her brother, Kevin,

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in the middle of the day.

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The assailant was in the house,
already waiting on her.

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Based on what Kevin told us,

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once they entered the house,

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the person in there had a gun on Kevin

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and instructed him
to tie his sister, Kathryn, up.

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He did so…

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And then Kevin was taken to another room.

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And he attempted to put
a nylon on Kevin's neck,

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and that's when a fight ensued,
and Kevin was shot.

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He fell to the floor and played dead.

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Kevin was taken to the hospital
with head wounds.

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We worked with him in an effort
to identify the assailant.

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Kevin's description was pretty generic.

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He was a Caucasian male,
perhaps around 30,

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normal, 180 pounds…

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Basically, he just couldn't help us.

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[Hirschman] Remember that it was only
until BTK said, "Yes, I did all these,"

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that the demand that
something get done about it,

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you know, quintupled.

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And the feeling that he is still here,

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and that he is still working,
and for all I know, he lives next door…

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Which, as it turned out, he did.

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Man, this street is beat up.

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My best friend lived there.

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I'd babysit people there.

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My babysitter lived on the other side,
there, so this is it.

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This is where I grew up.

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They leveled it,
so it wouldn't be torn apart

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by people selling it on eBay
piece by piece.

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There was just a lot that happened when I…
after I spoke up in the media,

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and it was like Wichita
kind of became this enemy territory.

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So the first time I had gone
back to my yard was in '15.

468
00:28:43,388 --> 00:28:47,308
I mean, I hadn't been in my yard
in that lot in ten years.

469
00:28:47,392 --> 00:28:50,228
I mean, on one hand,
I can tell you like a million memories,

470
00:28:50,311 --> 00:28:53,106
and what I did in this tree,
and what I did in that tree.

471
00:28:54,524 --> 00:28:57,569
So this is where
Dad and I gardened all the time.

472
00:28:57,652 --> 00:29:01,698
He had every kind of vegetable.
Then there was a flower garden here.

473
00:29:05,785 --> 00:29:08,288
So all of this to here was garden.

474
00:29:08,913 --> 00:29:11,040
There was a path here that came up.

475
00:29:11,833 --> 00:29:13,960
There was a walking path back here.

476
00:29:14,627 --> 00:29:18,631
And Dad planted grapes in here,
which was crazy.

477
00:29:18,715 --> 00:29:20,550
They were gross and sour.

478
00:29:20,633 --> 00:29:24,387
You almost can see… I think you can see
some of the vines still in there.

479
00:29:24,471 --> 00:29:27,348
The grapes was one of his crazier ideas.

480
00:29:29,058 --> 00:29:31,269
Um… Oh, is she taking photos?

481
00:29:31,352 --> 00:29:33,354
[uneasy music playing]

482
00:29:35,565 --> 00:29:37,358
Can somebody tell me
if she's taking photos?

483
00:29:37,442 --> 00:29:38,485
[producer] No, she is not.

484
00:29:41,404 --> 00:29:43,823
[Rawson] It's really hard
to be there because it…

485
00:29:44,616 --> 00:29:47,577
Like, it takes me back
to those places, right?

486
00:29:47,660 --> 00:29:50,830
So even if everything was good
in my yard, you're still right there

487
00:29:50,914 --> 00:29:53,333
by that house where everything
wasn't always good,

488
00:29:53,416 --> 00:29:55,460
where you're right there where Dad was.

489
00:29:56,461 --> 00:29:58,880
I mean, even today I can talk about it

490
00:29:58,963 --> 00:30:01,841
down to the detail
of what my father has done.

491
00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:04,135
My father has done what we know.

492
00:30:04,677 --> 00:30:08,264
But to actually believe it,
it still goes in and out now.

493
00:30:08,348 --> 00:30:11,017
Like, it's like, "Dad is BTK."

494
00:30:11,100 --> 00:30:12,560
"Oh, what? Huh?"

495
00:30:12,644 --> 00:30:15,313
It's like it doesn't come
all the way home still.

496
00:30:17,106 --> 00:30:20,485
That's another thing. People push back
on it, they're like, "Wait."

497
00:30:20,568 --> 00:30:22,946
Like, "Why is she saying in one moment,

498
00:30:23,029 --> 00:30:26,115
like, she's a victim,
and then why is she crying,

499
00:30:26,199 --> 00:30:27,534
or why is she upset?"

500
00:30:28,117 --> 00:30:31,913
"And then the next minute she's talking
about how great life is." And I'm like,

501
00:30:32,413 --> 00:30:34,082
because that's what my life was.

502
00:30:34,165 --> 00:30:36,626
Like, it was mainly good,

503
00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:40,004
with, like, these flashes of bad.

504
00:30:40,588 --> 00:30:42,924
You know, and we just,
we didn't understand,

505
00:30:43,007 --> 00:30:47,303
like, underneath that flash
was this whole iceberg of bad.

506
00:30:58,773 --> 00:31:02,819
I mean, if you look at it, it's abandoned.
It's like, "What happened to my family?"

507
00:31:02,902 --> 00:31:05,905
Like, the fence is all rotted
and torn down.

508
00:31:05,989 --> 00:31:08,408
I don't even know why it's back there.

509
00:31:08,491 --> 00:31:10,618
It's just all decayed and gross.

510
00:31:13,329 --> 00:31:15,164
Our family, um, imploded.

511
00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:17,250
You know, it took a long time.

512
00:31:17,959 --> 00:31:21,546
But the, um, trauma
of my father imploded us,

513
00:31:21,629 --> 00:31:23,631
and so here we are.

514
00:31:24,966 --> 00:31:26,968
[somber music playing]

515
00:31:29,762 --> 00:31:33,182
[woman] You guys don't have any respect
for other people's privacy.

516
00:31:33,266 --> 00:31:35,018
She don't live here no more.

517
00:31:36,060 --> 00:31:39,397
She doesn't have to go through this
on a daily basis.

518
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:41,024
You understand that?

519
00:31:45,653 --> 00:31:49,365
[Hatteberg] Kerri Rawson got a gig
she didn't sign up for.

520
00:31:51,534 --> 00:31:56,289
Everywhere she goes, when people
understand that BTK was her father,

521
00:31:56,372 --> 00:31:58,917
then she becomes BTK's daughter.

522
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:00,543
How do you outlive that?

523
00:32:03,713 --> 00:32:08,676
I've been hiding everything about
my father, my life, the abuse, the trauma,

524
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,597
because some public will absolutely,

525
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,309
like, treat you terrible
for being the kid of a serial killer.

526
00:32:16,392 --> 00:32:19,562
Like, "What were you hiding?
Why didn't you know?"

527
00:32:19,646 --> 00:32:22,357
"Why didn't you expose him to the world?"

528
00:32:22,857 --> 00:32:25,777
I was waiting, really,
for somebody to come along

529
00:32:25,860 --> 00:32:28,154
and give me a chance to help or talk.

530
00:32:30,365 --> 00:32:34,702
Like, Osage County is having me
consult on this investigation.

531
00:32:37,038 --> 00:32:38,873
It's not like I've chosen this.

532
00:32:39,540 --> 00:32:42,794
Like, it's what I have been given.
It's my life.

533
00:32:42,877 --> 00:32:45,380
And you have to choose what to do with it.

534
00:32:50,218 --> 00:32:52,470
You ready to dig into this stuff?

535
00:32:52,553 --> 00:32:54,055
Uh, always, never.

536
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,768
I think one of the things that's gonna
help with some of these answers

537
00:32:58,851 --> 00:33:01,813
is getting you back up in this area

538
00:33:01,896 --> 00:33:03,690
to see what your memories are.

539
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:06,359
And that helps us understand

540
00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:09,737
and clarify the picture
of where your dad may have been

541
00:33:09,821 --> 00:33:13,616
or where he really didn't have
any activity that you're aware of.

542
00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:16,703
[quiet, tense music playing]

543
00:33:17,328 --> 00:33:22,709
[Rawson] So, in the public,
from '74 through '79,

544
00:33:23,793 --> 00:33:27,588
there were these communications
being dropped in Wichita from BTK,

545
00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:30,466
um, to the newspaper and the police,

546
00:33:30,550 --> 00:33:31,801
news stations.

547
00:33:32,552 --> 00:33:34,470
Weird letters, poems,

548
00:33:35,179 --> 00:33:37,974
somebody claiming
to have murdered seven people.

549
00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:44,981
This was all happening, really, before
I was born or right when I was little.

550
00:33:45,773 --> 00:33:48,818
So, the last letter was sent in '79.

551
00:33:48,901 --> 00:33:52,447
Later, I found out it was
the night of my first birthday.

552
00:33:52,530 --> 00:33:55,241
My dad had a first birthday party for me

553
00:33:55,324 --> 00:33:58,786
and then went out in the summer
in a jean jacket and sent a communication.

554
00:33:59,871 --> 00:34:03,541
And that was the last
BTK communication for a long time.

555
00:34:06,377 --> 00:34:11,716
He said later on that
having kids slowed down his murders.

556
00:34:11,799 --> 00:34:15,928
Dad said he got busy raising kids.
Well, I think he got busy chasing me.

557
00:34:16,012 --> 00:34:19,098
[sinister music playing]

558
00:34:27,815 --> 00:34:32,737
So, I have photos here,
and it's all, like, just a mix of years.

559
00:34:33,529 --> 00:34:37,950
Like, one of the things I really enjoyed
with my dad was going to the Grand Canyon,

560
00:34:38,034 --> 00:34:41,454
and so we went in '86, just the rim,

561
00:34:41,537 --> 00:34:45,333
and then in '95,
we spent a week on the rim.

562
00:34:45,416 --> 00:34:47,376
It was snowing, and it was cold,

563
00:34:47,460 --> 00:34:50,922
and I actually slept in a tent
next to my dad because I was cold.

564
00:34:51,005 --> 00:34:53,299
I was glad to have him
because he was warm.

565
00:34:57,512 --> 00:34:59,889
We took these amazing family vacations.

566
00:35:01,682 --> 00:35:03,309
We camped and hiked a ton,

567
00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:06,062
did a lot of fishing
and camping in Kansas,

568
00:35:06,145 --> 00:35:10,733
hiked up in Colorado, up around Durango.
The reservoir's up there.

569
00:35:10,817 --> 00:35:14,445
We would do day hikes,
and we would fish for trout,

570
00:35:14,529 --> 00:35:17,949
and we did traveling in, like, Yellowstone

571
00:35:18,032 --> 00:35:20,326
and the Tetons, and all of that.

572
00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:24,914
I mean, when you're looking
at these photos,

573
00:35:24,997 --> 00:35:27,250
like, you just see a normal family, right?

574
00:35:29,544 --> 00:35:32,380
My father just flew under the radar.

575
00:35:33,381 --> 00:35:34,966
And they didn't find him for 31 years

576
00:35:35,049 --> 00:35:37,760
because he was
literally right under their noses.

577
00:35:39,512 --> 00:35:41,931
They weren't looking for
somebody like my father,

578
00:35:42,014 --> 00:35:44,767
the everyday man
that actually does have a family.

579
00:35:48,604 --> 00:35:50,898
[Hatteberg] The Otero murder was in 1974.

580
00:35:51,482 --> 00:35:55,153
There was the Otero murder,
then another murder, then another murder,

581
00:35:55,236 --> 00:36:00,116
then some other murders, and,
I mean, it was just… building onto itself.

582
00:36:01,534 --> 00:36:03,703
And then… nothing.

583
00:36:03,786 --> 00:36:06,956
[unsettling music playing]

584
00:36:08,332 --> 00:36:13,379
[man] Thirty years ago today, 15-year-old
Charlie Otero comes home from school

585
00:36:13,462 --> 00:36:17,800
to find his entire family murdered,
and so begins the most infamous

586
00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:21,220
unsolved serial killing spree
in Wichita history.

587
00:36:23,347 --> 00:36:25,933
[Hatteberg] The newspaper did
a 30th anniversary story.

588
00:36:26,017 --> 00:36:28,436
Thirty years ago,
the Otero family was killed,

589
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:30,771
then subsequent killings over that.

590
00:36:30,855 --> 00:36:33,399
But we haven't heard from BTK since then.

591
00:36:34,775 --> 00:36:36,485
No one knew what had happened to him.

592
00:36:36,569 --> 00:36:39,405
There were lots of theories,
and I remember the theories were

593
00:36:39,488 --> 00:36:42,533
that A, he was incarcerated
for another crime,

594
00:36:42,617 --> 00:36:44,243
B, he had died,

595
00:36:44,327 --> 00:36:48,915
or he had just left the country,
or left the area, never to be seen again.

596
00:36:50,124 --> 00:36:52,960
When I first started here
in the Wichita market

597
00:36:53,044 --> 00:36:54,921
in 1984 as an anchor,

598
00:36:55,004 --> 00:36:59,467
BTK was like this, "Oh, by the way,
there's this thing called BTK."

599
00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:03,888
"He killed in the '70s,
and everything's all right now."

600
00:37:03,971 --> 00:37:06,349
"And he's either dead or in prison."

601
00:37:06,432 --> 00:37:09,393
And… that's what it was, a legend.

602
00:37:10,311 --> 00:37:12,688
No one thought twice about BTK.

603
00:37:12,772 --> 00:37:14,690
He wasn't on anyone's lips.

604
00:37:15,274 --> 00:37:18,236
And that's the reason why he reappeared.

605
00:37:18,319 --> 00:37:21,656
[man] This is a breaking news alert
from KAKE On Your Side.

606
00:37:21,739 --> 00:37:25,534
Good evening, everyone. The serial killer
who terrorized Wichita for years

607
00:37:25,618 --> 00:37:27,370
is causing new fears tonight.

608
00:37:27,453 --> 00:37:30,790
Police now say it appears
BTK is back in Wichita.

609
00:37:32,041 --> 00:37:34,085
[Peters] And the way he reappeared

610
00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:38,881
was so incredibly shocking.

611
00:37:39,382 --> 00:37:42,260
He sent the Wichita newspaper

612
00:37:43,052 --> 00:37:46,347
a driver's license from a killing

613
00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:50,643
that nobody even knew he was a part of.

614
00:37:51,644 --> 00:37:53,396
[police siren wailing]

615
00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:56,399
[Ken Landwehr] A letter received
by KAKE TV was turned over to us

616
00:37:56,482 --> 00:37:57,608
last Wednesday.

617
00:37:57,692 --> 00:38:01,112
We're proceeding on the possibility
that this letter is from BTK,

618
00:38:01,195 --> 00:38:04,573
and we have turned this letter over
to the Federal Bureau of Investigation.

619
00:38:05,616 --> 00:38:09,078
After BTK sent that letter,
my boss came to me and said,

620
00:38:09,161 --> 00:38:13,332
"Hey, we've been invited to participate.
You want to go?"

621
00:38:13,416 --> 00:38:15,334
And I said,
"Well, absolutely, absolutely."

622
00:38:16,836 --> 00:38:18,587
[reporter] BTK claims in the letter that

623
00:38:18,671 --> 00:38:21,132
Vicki Wegerle was his eighth victim.

624
00:38:21,215 --> 00:38:24,635
She was found strangled
in her home in September 1986,

625
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:28,014
years after BTK's last known contact.

626
00:38:29,807 --> 00:38:34,228
[Lundin] That letter included
photographs taken at a crime scene.

627
00:38:34,312 --> 00:38:37,481
The crime scene was
of the victim, Vicki Wegerle.

628
00:38:38,524 --> 00:38:40,651
And she was murdered in her home.

629
00:38:42,361 --> 00:38:47,825
The thing about her murder is that
when the emergency services crew arrived,

630
00:38:47,908 --> 00:38:52,413
the ambulance transported her from there
in an attempt to save her life

631
00:38:52,496 --> 00:38:54,957
before any police detectives

632
00:38:55,041 --> 00:38:57,501
or any photographs could be taken
at the crime scene.

633
00:38:57,585 --> 00:39:01,380
There were no police photographs
of that crime scene.

634
00:39:02,340 --> 00:39:05,301
But these photographs BTK sent us

635
00:39:05,384 --> 00:39:08,179
clearly show that victim

636
00:39:08,262 --> 00:39:11,349
in her home, basically dead.

637
00:39:12,266 --> 00:39:16,145
And so we knew, whoever this was,
he was the real deal.

638
00:39:16,228 --> 00:39:17,855
He was, in fact, BTK.

639
00:39:20,024 --> 00:39:22,068
Can you imagine

640
00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:26,280
how he was overjoyed by this headline?

641
00:39:29,033 --> 00:39:32,078
That was his goal, to get the publicity.

642
00:39:32,870 --> 00:39:33,871
He got it.

643
00:39:33,954 --> 00:39:36,665
[tense music playing]

644
00:39:36,749 --> 00:39:41,420
We were just as much in shock

645
00:39:41,504 --> 00:39:45,174
as the average person on the street.

646
00:39:45,758 --> 00:39:47,885
Everyone in the media,

647
00:39:47,968 --> 00:39:52,765
and to a certain extent,
police officers, were like, "What?"

648
00:39:52,848 --> 00:39:54,517
Just as everyone in Wichita,

649
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:59,772
KAKE employees were hoping
BTK was an old story, just an old case.

650
00:39:59,855 --> 00:40:04,235
But now that police say BTK is back,
old fears return.

651
00:40:04,318 --> 00:40:07,988
Stephen Relford was five years old
when BTK murdered his mother,

652
00:40:08,072 --> 00:40:12,284
but what may be worse is that he
and his two siblings had to hear it all.

653
00:40:12,368 --> 00:40:14,036
I still go through it today.

654
00:40:14,537 --> 00:40:16,288
-[Peters] You do?
-Yes, ma'am.

655
00:40:16,372 --> 00:40:18,124
[Peters] What do you go through?

656
00:40:18,207 --> 00:40:21,335
I'm the one that
opened the door to some [bleep].

657
00:40:22,878 --> 00:40:24,630
Let him in, you know.

658
00:40:25,297 --> 00:40:26,715
You never forget that.

659
00:40:28,384 --> 00:40:32,596
It was one of the most shocking
revelations of my career.

660
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:34,765
And the worst part was

661
00:40:36,434 --> 00:40:39,478
what was he gonna do next
to get publicity?

662
00:40:43,899 --> 00:40:46,402
[Lundin] As soon as
this started to hit the media,

663
00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:48,654
the phone was ringing off the hook,

664
00:40:48,737 --> 00:40:50,614
emails were coming in.

665
00:40:50,698 --> 00:40:52,700
There were leads coming in,

666
00:40:52,783 --> 00:40:55,953
people suggesting
who they believe BTK might be,

667
00:40:56,036 --> 00:40:57,955
or whatever kind of tips.

668
00:40:58,914 --> 00:41:00,624
And you can't work all those.

669
00:41:00,708 --> 00:41:02,960
I mean, you can't handle
each and every one.

670
00:41:04,336 --> 00:41:08,466
But which one do you decide not to work?
Is that the one that's gonna be the one?

671
00:41:08,549 --> 00:41:10,426
It's very, very difficult.

672
00:41:10,509 --> 00:41:12,470
[Glen Horn] Well,
let me tell you what we got here.

673
00:41:12,553 --> 00:41:15,139
Let's see. We got a very suspicious letter
that was sent to us.

674
00:41:15,222 --> 00:41:17,558
The outside from a Thomas B. King.

675
00:41:19,351 --> 00:41:25,107
The second communication he sent,
after he resurfaced, was to KAKE TV.

676
00:41:25,191 --> 00:41:26,567
Yes, I'm Mr. Glen Horn.

677
00:41:26,650 --> 00:41:29,945
[Peters] And it was "The BTK Story,"

678
00:41:30,029 --> 00:41:33,949
the book he wanted to write about himself.

679
00:41:34,033 --> 00:41:37,912
And then it said, "Chapter one,
chapter two, chapter three, chapter four."

680
00:41:38,662 --> 00:41:42,750
[Horn] "The BTK story. A serial killer
is born. Dawn. Fetish. Fantasy world."

681
00:41:42,833 --> 00:41:47,588
"The search begins. BTK's haunts. PJs.
MO-ID-RUSE. Hits. Treasured memories."

682
00:41:47,671 --> 00:41:50,382
"Final curtain call. Dusk.
Will there be more?"

683
00:41:51,300 --> 00:41:53,219
[Peters] The 13th chapter.

684
00:41:54,136 --> 00:41:55,888
"Will there be more?"

685
00:41:58,974 --> 00:42:04,230
Nobody knew whether
he wanted publicity that badly

686
00:42:05,189 --> 00:42:06,732
that he would kill again.

687
00:42:07,316 --> 00:42:08,776
[dramatic music playing]

688
00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:11,070
[Lundin] The FBI,
the Behavioral Sciences Unit,

689
00:42:11,153 --> 00:42:13,906
gave us instruction
right from the start. They said,

690
00:42:13,989 --> 00:42:18,160
"Your best chances of catching BTK are
if you can keep him communicating."

691
00:42:18,244 --> 00:42:21,163
"Make him… feel comfortable

692
00:42:21,247 --> 00:42:23,040
in communicating with you."

693
00:42:23,123 --> 00:42:27,920
And after that, we began to receive
communications about every month

694
00:42:28,003 --> 00:42:29,171
or six weeks.

695
00:42:29,255 --> 00:42:30,422
[reporter] Just last week,

696
00:42:30,506 --> 00:42:33,968
three packages were sent
to a local TV station containing jewelry,

697
00:42:34,051 --> 00:42:35,928
perhaps from a victim.

698
00:42:36,011 --> 00:42:37,763
[woman] It was in the UPS box.

699
00:42:37,846 --> 00:42:41,308
The UPS man opened an envelope
that contained pictures

700
00:42:41,392 --> 00:42:42,893
and a letter from BTK.

701
00:42:43,978 --> 00:42:46,564
[reporter] Now he seemed
to dare them to come find him,

702
00:42:46,647 --> 00:42:50,776
teasing them with cryptic clues
that may be true or may be not.

703
00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:00,786
We knew he was watching us
because he would write things

704
00:43:00,869 --> 00:43:04,748
that indicated that he was watching us
on a nightly basis.

705
00:43:04,832 --> 00:43:08,002
I had mentioned,
during the ten o'clock news,

706
00:43:08,502 --> 00:43:10,254
Jeff and I both have a cold.

707
00:43:10,838 --> 00:43:12,673
We got the crud or something.

708
00:43:12,756 --> 00:43:15,593
Two days later, we get a letter

709
00:43:15,676 --> 00:43:19,388
and it said, "I hope
Susan's and Jeff's cold gets better."

710
00:43:21,223 --> 00:43:22,433
I still

711
00:43:23,642 --> 00:43:25,477
get the same…

712
00:43:26,895 --> 00:43:31,066
complete feeling of fear in my body

713
00:43:31,150 --> 00:43:32,735
when I talk about it.

714
00:43:33,235 --> 00:43:38,699
This is one of the most challenging cases
that I've ever been involved with.

715
00:43:39,783 --> 00:43:44,788
Uh, and I find that the individual doing
this would be interesting to talk to.

716
00:43:53,672 --> 00:43:58,844
[indistinct office chatter]

717
00:44:02,014 --> 00:44:04,350
[man] This one is a postcard,
not a letter.

718
00:44:04,933 --> 00:44:06,268
[Horn] It says…

719
00:44:06,352 --> 00:44:11,815
"Between 69th North
and 77th North on Seneca."

720
00:44:11,899 --> 00:44:14,401
"Contents Post Toasties box."

721
00:44:14,485 --> 00:44:16,737
"PJ Little Mex and Doll."

722
00:44:17,696 --> 00:44:20,991
"Let me know somehow
if you or Wichita PD receive this."

723
00:44:21,742 --> 00:44:23,869
[Peters] So in this
particular communication,

724
00:44:23,952 --> 00:44:26,664
he gives another clue
to the police department.

725
00:44:26,747 --> 00:44:30,542
There's a Post Toasties box
on this corner.

726
00:44:32,294 --> 00:44:35,297
Right away, we sent a reporter
and a photographer out there.

727
00:44:36,799 --> 00:44:39,677
It was way out on a country road
under a stop sign.

728
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,262
And we got all kinds of footage.

729
00:44:44,181 --> 00:44:46,934
[reporter] Lieutenant Ken Landwehr
and Detective Kelly Otis arrive

730
00:44:47,017 --> 00:44:50,813
a short time later, and investigators
spend hours at the scene.

731
00:44:50,896 --> 00:44:53,357
Police have asked us
not to reveal the location

732
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,734
until they have time to investigate.

733
00:44:56,944 --> 00:44:59,238
[Peters] The police came
and got the cereal box.

734
00:44:59,321 --> 00:45:01,281
They're the ones who opened it up.

735
00:45:01,865 --> 00:45:04,410
And inside was a Barbie doll

736
00:45:05,327 --> 00:45:07,037
with a noose around its neck.

737
00:45:10,833 --> 00:45:13,711
[Lundin]
Through his cereal box communications,

738
00:45:13,794 --> 00:45:17,798
he expressed his desire to communicate
with us through floppy disks.

739
00:45:17,881 --> 00:45:22,928
And, uh, he was concerned that
we might be able to track him down.

740
00:45:23,011 --> 00:45:25,806
And he said, "Will it identify me?"

741
00:45:25,889 --> 00:45:29,810
And then he said something
very interesting. He said, "Be honest."

742
00:45:32,938 --> 00:45:37,943
And then after that, he directed us
to make our reply through the newspaper,

743
00:45:38,026 --> 00:45:40,320
and say, "Rex, it will be okay."

744
00:45:41,113 --> 00:45:44,575
Kenny Landwehr placed the ad,
just like BTK had asked.

745
00:45:44,658 --> 00:45:46,910
And he followed up and sent us a disk.

746
00:45:48,537 --> 00:45:53,834
The metadata indicated it had been used
at the Park City Public Library,

747
00:45:53,917 --> 00:45:55,461
Christ Lutheran Church…

748
00:45:55,544 --> 00:45:57,212
And then a username.

749
00:45:57,296 --> 00:45:59,548
And the name was simply "Dennis."

750
00:46:00,632 --> 00:46:05,053
Within minutes, cross-checking
the two organizations that was listed

751
00:46:05,137 --> 00:46:07,973
showed that a person
by the name of Dennis Rader

752
00:46:08,056 --> 00:46:12,060
was the Congregational President
of Christ Lutheran Church.

753
00:46:14,438 --> 00:46:18,692
The IT people of Wichita PD were just,
you know, they were thrilled.

754
00:46:19,443 --> 00:46:20,736
[intriguing music playing]

755
00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:23,864
And eventually, they came up
with an address in Park City,

756
00:46:23,947 --> 00:46:25,407
just outside of Wichita.

757
00:46:26,408 --> 00:46:29,495
I was ready. I was like,
"This is it. Let's go get him."

758
00:46:29,578 --> 00:46:33,707
But Kenny Landwehr said, "We need
to know absolutely that this is BTK."

759
00:46:33,791 --> 00:46:35,167
"We need to get his DNA."

760
00:46:36,627 --> 00:46:40,464
I noticed that his daughter
had attended Kansas State University.

761
00:46:40,547 --> 00:46:43,467
And I knew from
having attended the university,

762
00:46:43,550 --> 00:46:47,805
that, if you're a student there,
and you have any kind of medical issue,

763
00:46:47,888 --> 00:46:50,307
you're gonna go through
Lafine Student Health Center.

764
00:46:50,390 --> 00:46:53,560
And I said, "I'm gonna stop in
and see if they have anything."

765
00:46:54,269 --> 00:46:57,898
Records indicate while she was a student
here, she had a pap smear.

766
00:46:57,981 --> 00:46:59,858
They surrendered the sample to me.

767
00:46:59,942 --> 00:47:02,444
I submitted it for DNA analysis.

768
00:47:02,528 --> 00:47:04,905
And eventually, I got a phone call.

769
00:47:04,988 --> 00:47:08,242
"It is the offspring of your BTK."

770
00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:12,204
So the first phone call I made
was to Kenny Landwehr.

771
00:47:12,287 --> 00:47:13,413
"Kenny, it's him."

772
00:47:13,914 --> 00:47:16,792
"Oh. All right. We'll see you
first thing in the morning."

773
00:47:17,793 --> 00:47:19,795
[suspenseful music playing]

774
00:47:24,842 --> 00:47:28,262
[indistinct chatter on police radio]

775
00:47:30,764 --> 00:47:34,643
That morning, the newsroom
started picking up monitor traffic

776
00:47:34,726 --> 00:47:38,105
from the police department,
and our assignment folks said,

777
00:47:38,188 --> 00:47:40,482
"Something's going down in Park City."

778
00:47:40,566 --> 00:47:43,652
"Don't know what,
but somebody needs to get up there."

779
00:47:43,735 --> 00:47:45,946
[man on radio]
Cab 6, this is checkmate 1-6, over.

780
00:47:46,029 --> 00:47:48,824
[Lundin] We knew that Dennis Rader
worked for the city of Park City

781
00:47:48,907 --> 00:47:51,910
and that he leaves
and goes home for lunch every day.

782
00:47:51,994 --> 00:47:56,540
And so we set up
on a road adjacent to his home

783
00:47:56,623 --> 00:47:59,084
and waited for him to drive around.

784
00:48:01,962 --> 00:48:05,674
When he went by us,
the marked car pulled out behind him,

785
00:48:05,757 --> 00:48:09,136
flipped on his emergency lights,
and got him to pull over.

786
00:48:09,219 --> 00:48:11,388
[siren wailing]

787
00:48:11,471 --> 00:48:14,725
In my mind, I was thinking,
"He's going to know this is the end."

788
00:48:14,808 --> 00:48:17,477
"And I think he's gonna
want to go out in a blaze of glory."

789
00:48:17,561 --> 00:48:19,104
And I didn't want that.

790
00:48:20,188 --> 00:48:23,483
And I pulled up by the uniform marked car,

791
00:48:23,567 --> 00:48:28,113
and I got to Dennis Rader's truck
just at the time he was opening the door

792
00:48:28,196 --> 00:48:30,073
and starting to get out.

793
00:48:30,157 --> 00:48:32,159
I just grabbed him and…

794
00:48:32,242 --> 00:48:35,412
just spun him around,
took him straight down to the concrete.

795
00:48:39,207 --> 00:48:43,503
At that point, I was joined by
several other members of the task force.

796
00:48:43,587 --> 00:48:47,007
-[helicopter blades whirring]
-[sirens blaring]

797
00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:49,426
And we get him handcuffed, pick him up,

798
00:48:49,509 --> 00:48:52,471
and I'm standing there,
still got a hold of him,

799
00:48:52,554 --> 00:48:55,432
and he turns to me
and looks at me and says,

800
00:48:55,515 --> 00:48:58,852
"Would you mind telling my wife
I won't be home for lunch?"

801
00:48:58,936 --> 00:49:00,479
"I assume you know where I live."

802
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,857
[siren wails]

803
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:10,906
[Rawson] My father was arrested in '05,
and I was 26.

804
00:49:10,989 --> 00:49:14,701
And, you know, the whole world
just upended on me and my husband.

805
00:49:14,785 --> 00:49:16,161
We had been married 18 months.

806
00:49:16,244 --> 00:49:19,414
We were really just kids
living in Michigan, alone, no family.

807
00:49:20,123 --> 00:49:23,418
And we had one interview
with the FBI that first weekend,

808
00:49:23,502 --> 00:49:27,172
and then it was like…
"See you later. You're on your own."

809
00:49:30,050 --> 00:49:33,136
I was extremely mad.
I was mad about the DNA.

810
00:49:33,220 --> 00:49:35,263
I thought it was
an invasion of my privacy.

811
00:49:35,347 --> 00:49:37,557
I was embarrassed about the pap smear.

812
00:49:37,641 --> 00:49:42,020
Like, I was already mad at the police.
I was mad at the FBI.

813
00:49:42,104 --> 00:49:43,730
I was mad at everybody.

814
00:49:43,814 --> 00:49:45,607
It was just… Our lives were just gone.

815
00:49:45,691 --> 00:49:48,235
Upheaval, totally insane.
I was just mad at everybody.

816
00:49:50,195 --> 00:49:54,324
[Lundin] After the arrest, I got assigned
to execute the search warrant

817
00:49:54,408 --> 00:49:57,744
of the house that Dennis Rader
lived in with his wife.

818
00:49:58,328 --> 00:50:01,289
When I walked in the door,
the first thing I was confronted with

819
00:50:01,373 --> 00:50:04,793
was pictures on the wall, above the couch,

820
00:50:04,876 --> 00:50:09,840
that showed him and the family
attending K-State functions,

821
00:50:09,923 --> 00:50:13,468
KSU functions, football games, whatever.
All kinds of things.

822
00:50:13,552 --> 00:50:16,388
And I was like… And I was like, "Oh wow."

823
00:50:17,055 --> 00:50:19,182
The stuff that we found in the house

824
00:50:19,266 --> 00:50:22,144
just kind of created
more questions in my mind.

825
00:50:23,103 --> 00:50:25,605
For example, as you enter the front door,

826
00:50:26,148 --> 00:50:27,774
is a… like a coat closet.

827
00:50:28,525 --> 00:50:30,485
But on the… on the shelf,

828
00:50:30,569 --> 00:50:33,113
right above the coats, was a kill kit.

829
00:50:34,156 --> 00:50:38,326
It was a little bag that had
pre-knotted ropes, uh, a bandana.

830
00:50:38,410 --> 00:50:42,080
There were handcuffs, a .32 auto pistol.

831
00:50:43,040 --> 00:50:44,708
[indistinct police radio chatter]

832
00:50:44,791 --> 00:50:48,045
The shed out back had
some interesting things in there.

833
00:50:48,128 --> 00:50:52,340
Some trophies, jewelry.
Things that had touched their skin.

834
00:50:52,424 --> 00:50:54,718
Clothing, underwear in particular.

835
00:50:54,801 --> 00:50:56,178
He kept all of it.

836
00:50:57,429 --> 00:51:00,640
Stuff that obviously could have been used,

837
00:51:00,724 --> 00:51:04,019
might have been used
in torturing some of his victims.

838
00:51:10,567 --> 00:51:13,445
As an investigator,
I found it very, very disturbing.

839
00:51:13,528 --> 00:51:17,657
And I thought, "Boy, this is
really giving us a look at his mind."

840
00:51:18,867 --> 00:51:21,620
This is the hot spot,
drawing hundreds out here

841
00:51:21,703 --> 00:51:23,705
just to come by and see the scene.

842
00:51:23,789 --> 00:51:27,167
Park City, a small community
where everyone knows everyone else,

843
00:51:27,250 --> 00:51:28,710
or so they thought.

844
00:51:31,379 --> 00:51:35,592
[Lundin] I talked to his wife,
and she was in absolute denial.

845
00:51:35,675 --> 00:51:36,635
She said, "Oh no."

846
00:51:36,718 --> 00:51:39,513
She was very nice, very cordial.
She didn't scream at us.

847
00:51:39,596 --> 00:51:41,890
She said, "Oh no.
You've got the wrong person."

848
00:51:41,973 --> 00:51:45,477
And while we were talking with her,
Kerri called in.

849
00:51:46,436 --> 00:51:49,564
We didn't get a hold of my mom
until later that day.

850
00:51:50,107 --> 00:51:52,317
And she was a mess. She was like me.

851
00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:54,736
Her and I just couldn't compute together.

852
00:51:55,320 --> 00:51:57,656
She told Kerri, she said,
"You know your father."

853
00:51:57,739 --> 00:52:01,576
"You know this is not right. This is a…
This has been a horrible mistake."

854
00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:04,246
"That is… He is not a killer."

855
00:52:04,329 --> 00:52:05,455
"This is not him."

856
00:52:07,666 --> 00:52:10,168
I didn't think I was gonna
make it through that night.

857
00:52:13,505 --> 00:52:15,507
I mean, you're two people

858
00:52:16,258 --> 00:52:19,302
who live together, interact together,

859
00:52:19,845 --> 00:52:22,681
share a lot of things in common.

860
00:52:22,764 --> 00:52:25,183
Do I think she… she knew anything?

861
00:52:25,767 --> 00:52:28,019
No. Um…

862
00:52:28,103 --> 00:52:30,397
Probably as close as she ever came

863
00:52:31,231 --> 00:52:32,149
was…

864
00:52:32,232 --> 00:52:35,193
They were sitting watching television,

865
00:52:35,277 --> 00:52:37,195
and one of the media outlets

866
00:52:37,279 --> 00:52:39,614
was reading one of the communications.

867
00:52:39,698 --> 00:52:43,743
And after the news feature was over,

868
00:52:43,827 --> 00:52:46,079
she said, "That BTK guy,

869
00:52:46,663 --> 00:52:48,623
he writes just like you do."

870
00:52:49,541 --> 00:52:51,543
And he…

871
00:52:52,627 --> 00:52:54,880
He did not say anything,

872
00:52:54,963 --> 00:52:58,758
but I got the distinct impression
down deep in my gut,

873
00:52:58,842 --> 00:53:00,343
had she pursued that,

874
00:53:01,970 --> 00:53:03,638
he'd have gotten rid of her.

875
00:53:08,268 --> 00:53:10,604
-[man] Dennis, I have a question to ask.
-[Rader] Mm-hmm?

876
00:53:10,687 --> 00:53:13,190
[man] How do you think
we came to come to talk to you?

877
00:53:14,399 --> 00:53:15,567
Well, I don't know.

878
00:53:16,943 --> 00:53:20,238
Well, as a suspect,
I assume you have something on me.

879
00:53:20,322 --> 00:53:21,823
[man] Aren't you curious what it is?

880
00:53:21,907 --> 00:53:22,908
Well, yeah.

881
00:53:24,868 --> 00:53:26,536
[man] Want us to share that with you?

882
00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:29,331
[Lundin] His initial interview
was with Kenny Landwehr

883
00:53:29,414 --> 00:53:32,626
and one of the behavioral scientists
from the FBI.

884
00:53:33,793 --> 00:53:36,087
Kenny basically laid out,

885
00:53:36,171 --> 00:53:39,674
you know, all the damning evidence
that we had against him.

886
00:53:40,258 --> 00:53:42,469
-[Landwehr] Do you know what that is?
-A floppy.

887
00:53:42,552 --> 00:53:43,678
[Landwehr] Yeah.

888
00:53:43,762 --> 00:53:48,308
And I mean the reasons why there are
a whole… a whole lot of money

889
00:53:48,391 --> 00:53:51,645
used on computer forensic people
is for kiddie porn.

890
00:53:51,728 --> 00:53:53,772
-Pardon? No, no.
-[Landwehr] It's kiddie porn.

891
00:53:53,855 --> 00:53:57,025
And so the FBI and locals

892
00:53:57,817 --> 00:53:59,152
got really good

893
00:53:59,236 --> 00:54:01,029
at looking at people's disks

894
00:54:01,112 --> 00:54:03,490
and being able to track those down.

895
00:54:03,573 --> 00:54:05,659
-That's interesting.
-So if we get…

896
00:54:05,742 --> 00:54:10,205
So if we receive something like that,
then we can go in there

897
00:54:10,288 --> 00:54:15,377
and we can find that it came
from Christ Lutheran Church.

898
00:54:15,460 --> 00:54:18,505
Then we can go to some
of those computers and find out

899
00:54:18,588 --> 00:54:21,758
that the person that was
logged onto that would be Dennis.

900
00:54:22,550 --> 00:54:25,679
[Lundin] And when it came to the DNA,
he knew that was it.

901
00:54:25,762 --> 00:54:27,681
Kenny Landwehr told him,
you know, he said,

902
00:54:27,764 --> 00:54:30,267
"We got your DNA match
through your daughter."

903
00:54:30,350 --> 00:54:33,019
[Landwehr] Things have occurred
medically with your children.

904
00:54:33,103 --> 00:54:35,897
And I can take those samples.
I can test those.

905
00:54:35,981 --> 00:54:39,901
And I know that BTK
is the father of your children.

906
00:54:39,985 --> 00:54:41,695
That's what brings me to you.

907
00:54:41,778 --> 00:54:42,862
[Rader] Wow.

908
00:54:42,946 --> 00:54:45,824
And I think that just…
That really sunk him.

909
00:54:45,907 --> 00:54:46,908
You could tell.

910
00:54:46,992 --> 00:54:50,745
He said, "Dennis."
He said, "Tell us, tell us who you are."

911
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:52,497
[man] Why don't you just say it?

912
00:54:53,081 --> 00:54:54,541
Guess you guys know…

913
00:54:55,083 --> 00:54:57,252
-[Landwehr] What else?
-[man] Say it, say who you are.

914
00:54:57,335 --> 00:54:58,295
BTK.

915
00:54:58,378 --> 00:54:59,462
[man] You're BTK.

916
00:55:03,133 --> 00:55:06,678
Once he was able to say that,
to law enforcement,

917
00:55:06,761 --> 00:55:10,724
I mean, the floodgates just opened,
and he talked about every crime.

918
00:55:10,807 --> 00:55:12,517
Two crimes that we

919
00:55:13,476 --> 00:55:15,854
hadn't previously linked to him.

920
00:55:16,646 --> 00:55:18,315
That was project "Dogside."

921
00:55:19,441 --> 00:55:21,359
That's the code name for her.

922
00:55:21,943 --> 00:55:25,196
I basically had some free time
in the evening.

923
00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,407
I killed her on a Friday night.

924
00:55:28,742 --> 00:55:34,372
[reporter] January 19th, 1991.
Dolores D. Davis abducted from her home.

925
00:55:34,456 --> 00:55:36,666
Her body was found 13 days later

926
00:55:36,750 --> 00:55:39,336
under a bridge
in Northern Sedgwick County.

927
00:55:40,754 --> 00:55:42,380
Well, I proceeded to tie her up,

928
00:55:42,464 --> 00:55:45,300
and then I think she realized that
that was gonna go bad.

929
00:55:45,383 --> 00:55:47,052
She said, "Don't kill me, don't kill me."

930
00:55:47,135 --> 00:55:49,971
And I slipped the pantyhose
over her head and strangled her.

931
00:55:51,389 --> 00:55:54,100
Took her up there, dropped her off

932
00:55:55,226 --> 00:55:56,353
under the bridge.

933
00:55:58,229 --> 00:55:59,939
[Rawson] January of '91…

934
00:56:00,899 --> 00:56:04,778
Now my mom is really sick,
and she's in the hospital

935
00:56:04,861 --> 00:56:07,238
for like ten or 12 days with pneumonia.

936
00:56:07,322 --> 00:56:10,700
And Dad's all stressed out
because he's out of work.

937
00:56:11,534 --> 00:56:13,953
We don't have enough money.
He's trying to cook for us.

938
00:56:15,622 --> 00:56:17,874
He couldn't cook. He made weird eggs.

939
00:56:21,753 --> 00:56:24,339
Not long after that,
he murdered Mrs. Davis.

940
00:56:28,385 --> 00:56:31,221
He put her body
in the back of our station wagon.

941
00:56:34,057 --> 00:56:37,644
He then gave me that station wagon
to drive in high school.

942
00:56:39,771 --> 00:56:42,399
I just… I was like, "No, that's not okay."

943
00:56:42,482 --> 00:56:43,400
[chuckles ruefully]

944
00:56:43,483 --> 00:56:46,403
Thinking that Mrs. Davis
had been in that vehicle.

945
00:56:49,489 --> 00:56:52,700
[Landwehr] I have been assigned
the investigation of Marine Hedge.

946
00:56:53,410 --> 00:56:54,661
And, uh…

947
00:56:55,912 --> 00:56:59,999
I'd kinda like to know…
how did you get drawn to her?

948
00:57:00,708 --> 00:57:02,502
[Rader] Well, as I explained
to the other guys,

949
00:57:02,585 --> 00:57:04,879
I had a whole bunch of these
going on all the time.

950
00:57:04,963 --> 00:57:07,632
I call them projects.
She was "Project Flower."

951
00:57:07,715 --> 00:57:09,384
No, cookie, "Project Cookie."

952
00:57:10,885 --> 00:57:13,430
[ominous music playing]

953
00:57:15,390 --> 00:57:17,058
[Rawson] I remember when I was six,

954
00:57:17,142 --> 00:57:19,769
our neighbor, Mrs. Hedge,
had gone missing.

955
00:57:20,520 --> 00:57:24,899
They found her body a couple weeks later,
and that she was found strangled.

956
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,901
[Rader] Uh, I did this

957
00:57:27,402 --> 00:57:29,070
on a Scout thing.

958
00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:31,281
It's a good cover for a guy like me.

959
00:57:31,364 --> 00:57:34,200
You go out and camp out and slip away.

960
00:57:34,284 --> 00:57:36,786
I parked my car at the bowling alley.

961
00:57:37,996 --> 00:57:41,374
I got my bowling bag, and I buy a beer.

962
00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:44,544
I cut the phone lines,
pop this real quiet like,

963
00:57:44,627 --> 00:57:45,962
and creep in here.

964
00:57:48,381 --> 00:57:50,967
[Rawson] My dad's hit kit
from Hedge's murder,

965
00:57:51,050 --> 00:57:54,429
it was a maroon bowling bag,
old with a white stripe.

966
00:57:55,722 --> 00:57:58,641
Dad didn't bowl.
We only went bowling a few times.

967
00:57:59,225 --> 00:58:02,061
You know, why is my mom
not being… like, saying,

968
00:58:02,145 --> 00:58:04,939
"Hey, why do you have
a bowling bag all of a sudden?"

969
00:58:06,649 --> 00:58:11,571
But where it gets crazy is that after
he murdered Mrs. Hedge in her bed,

970
00:58:12,530 --> 00:58:14,657
he carried her out in a blanket,

971
00:58:15,241 --> 00:58:18,369
put her in her car, in the trunk,

972
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:23,541
took her to Christ Lutheran Church,
where we go to church.

973
00:58:23,625 --> 00:58:26,419
And then he undresses her,
changes her clothes,

974
00:58:27,504 --> 00:58:32,050
and he takes photographs while
he does bondage on her dead body.

975
00:58:33,468 --> 00:58:36,971
[man] So you'd already decided that
you wanted to take her to the church.

976
00:58:37,055 --> 00:58:40,600
Whether alive or dead,
she was going to that church.

977
00:58:41,351 --> 00:58:45,688
Basically, I was trying
to work toward the BTK lair,

978
00:58:45,772 --> 00:58:48,316
the home, the torture chamber thing.

979
00:58:48,942 --> 00:58:52,111
That's what I was working towards
in my fantasy world.

980
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:58,243
[Rawson] When I was a kid,
I remember one Sunday,

981
00:58:58,326 --> 00:59:00,620
I'm at Christ Lutheran Church,

982
00:59:00,703 --> 00:59:03,164
and I'm climbing these really tall,

983
00:59:03,248 --> 00:59:06,626
narrow pine trees
that I always climbed at church.

984
00:59:09,420 --> 00:59:12,257
When they found Mrs. Hedge
a few weeks later,

985
00:59:12,340 --> 00:59:15,718
they found some weird,
long pine needles next to her body.

986
00:59:16,469 --> 00:59:20,265
And they didn't know where they came from,
because pines are pretty rare in Kansas.

987
00:59:20,348 --> 00:59:22,850
To have a pine tree here,
you've had to plant it.

988
00:59:25,019 --> 00:59:28,856
Those pine needles came from
those pine trees I climbed at church.

989
00:59:37,031 --> 00:59:41,661
[Lundin] It was clear to me
that he was very proud of these killings.

990
00:59:41,744 --> 00:59:43,162
He wished…

991
00:59:43,746 --> 00:59:47,125
He wished out loud to us
that there were more.

992
00:59:48,001 --> 00:59:51,713
He told us.
He said, "If I was a lone wolf,

993
00:59:51,796 --> 00:59:56,718
without all my social obligations,
family, church, work…"

994
00:59:57,260 --> 00:59:59,387
He said, "If I didn't have to do all that,

995
01:00:00,305 --> 01:00:02,557
there would have been a lot more murders."

996
01:00:06,102 --> 01:00:07,979
The national media
is starting to gather here,

997
01:00:08,062 --> 01:00:10,398
and we're getting people
from Good Morning America,

998
01:00:10,481 --> 01:00:12,025
from CNN, Dateline, Primetime Live.

999
01:00:12,108 --> 01:00:15,653
They will all be converging
on Wichita as the day progresses,

1000
01:00:15,737 --> 01:00:19,240
because this story is
a story of national proportions.

1001
01:00:19,324 --> 01:00:21,618
[people murmuring]

1002
01:00:21,701 --> 01:00:23,953
[applause]

1003
01:00:24,037 --> 01:00:29,917
Of course, everyone's covering it live,
and the Wichita police chief says…

1004
01:00:30,585 --> 01:00:33,963
The bottom line… BTK is arrested.

1005
01:00:34,464 --> 01:00:37,425
[cheers and applause]

1006
01:00:38,843 --> 01:00:40,595
[Peters] A cheer went up in the crowd.

1007
01:00:40,678 --> 01:00:43,514
There was a crowd there
at that news conference.

1008
01:00:45,975 --> 01:00:50,188
And the national media was there going,
"Who are these people cheering?"

1009
01:00:50,271 --> 01:00:54,025
But they didn't understand
the relief we felt

1010
01:00:54,108 --> 01:00:56,444
that he was finally captured.

1011
01:00:57,528 --> 01:01:00,990
[reporter] For the city of Wichita,
its police and its victims,

1012
01:01:01,074 --> 01:01:05,453
relief today after authorities
arrested 59-year-old Dennis Rader.

1013
01:01:05,536 --> 01:01:08,539
It's kind of unbelievable,
but it's good. It's good.

1014
01:01:09,248 --> 01:01:11,209
So we'll get rid of it all.

1015
01:01:11,292 --> 01:01:14,712
It'll all come out in the end,
and he'll get… what's due him.

1016
01:01:14,796 --> 01:01:16,506
[man] It was
a law enforcement team effort.

1017
01:01:16,589 --> 01:01:18,508
[Peters] What do you think
about the fact that

1018
01:01:18,591 --> 01:01:21,427
he's lived in this community
for all these years?

1019
01:01:23,179 --> 01:01:25,139
Living, breathing, working.

1020
01:01:26,933 --> 01:01:29,310
He's a smart, stupid son of a bitch.

1021
01:01:30,812 --> 01:01:31,896
It's all right.

1022
01:01:33,731 --> 01:01:36,984
I remember my brother calling me, um,
the morning of the press conference.

1023
01:01:37,068 --> 01:01:41,114
He said, "They're saying that
it's the Park City dogcatcher."

1024
01:01:41,197 --> 01:01:44,742
And I remember going, "What?"

1025
01:01:44,826 --> 01:01:49,038
I mean, "Park City dogcatcher"?
There's only one Park City dogcatcher.

1026
01:01:50,331 --> 01:01:51,874
That's Kerri's dad.

1027
01:01:54,460 --> 01:01:57,672
I'll never forget my dad going,
"There's no way it was Dennis."

1028
01:01:57,755 --> 01:01:59,966
And then I was glued to the television.

1029
01:02:00,758 --> 01:02:03,553
[Peters] Neighbors who I've talked to
remember the people

1030
01:02:03,636 --> 01:02:06,514
who lived at the house
where the police converged on.

1031
01:02:06,597 --> 01:02:11,269
It's terrifying. My parents called me.
My dad was just about in tears.

1032
01:02:11,352 --> 01:02:14,856
Just the thought that… I'm a single mom
with my two kids in this house,

1033
01:02:14,939 --> 01:02:16,983
and this man's been in my house
several times.

1034
01:02:17,066 --> 01:02:19,736
I was totally, totally, totally shocked

1035
01:02:19,819 --> 01:02:21,612
that it could be anyone
from this congregation

1036
01:02:21,696 --> 01:02:22,947
or anyone that I knew.

1037
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:27,410
During the time that I have known Dennis,
I can say that there is nothing

1038
01:02:27,493 --> 01:02:32,123
in our conversations that would even
tend to lead to these accusations.

1039
01:02:32,665 --> 01:02:34,250
He was a great Scout leader.

1040
01:02:34,751 --> 01:02:38,045
You know, it's just as he got older
and his kids got older and moved out,

1041
01:02:38,129 --> 01:02:40,006
he'd just kind of gotten a little weird.

1042
01:02:40,548 --> 01:02:45,595
I think the biggest shock for Wichita
was that he was just a regular guy.

1043
01:02:45,678 --> 01:02:48,389
Had a job, you know,
went to his work every day.

1044
01:02:48,473 --> 01:02:51,100
He had a family, had a wife,
he had two kids.

1045
01:02:51,809 --> 01:02:53,603
And he's a serial killer?

1046
01:02:53,686 --> 01:02:57,190
Everybody wanted an interview
with Paula or Kerri or her brother.

1047
01:02:57,273 --> 01:02:58,858
Everybody wanted that.

1048
01:03:01,903 --> 01:03:03,196
Of course, they're saying,

1049
01:03:03,279 --> 01:03:05,615
"How did you not know?
How did they not know?"

1050
01:03:05,698 --> 01:03:08,409
And I remember being
very, very protective of them,

1051
01:03:08,493 --> 01:03:10,453
that… they didn't know.

1052
01:03:10,536 --> 01:03:11,704
None of us knew.

1053
01:03:12,955 --> 01:03:15,500
He didn't just fool his family.

1054
01:03:15,583 --> 01:03:17,293
He fooled a church.

1055
01:03:18,336 --> 01:03:20,546
He fooled an entire city.

1056
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:23,132
He literally fooled everybody.

1057
01:03:25,468 --> 01:03:30,473
[solemn music playing]

1058
01:03:32,266 --> 01:03:33,309
[igniter clicks]

1059
01:03:38,231 --> 01:03:42,819
[Rawson] That first weekend,
after my, um… father was arrested,

1060
01:03:43,486 --> 01:03:46,697
you know… like,
my mom was not well at all.

1061
01:03:46,781 --> 01:03:48,407
She was in shock. I was in shock.

1062
01:03:48,491 --> 01:03:50,535
Um, my grandparents were there.

1063
01:03:50,618 --> 01:03:52,161
My cousins were there.

1064
01:03:52,829 --> 01:03:55,957
My aunt ran out
and got Kentucky Fried Chicken,

1065
01:03:56,040 --> 01:03:58,292
like, with all the fixings.

1066
01:03:58,793 --> 01:04:00,628
And we all just, like, sat around and ate.

1067
01:04:00,711 --> 01:04:03,172
And to me,
it felt like being at a funeral.

1068
01:04:03,756 --> 01:04:05,758
[eerie music playing]

1069
01:04:06,759 --> 01:04:09,470
And you're just sitting down,
and you're just having a meal.

1070
01:04:09,554 --> 01:04:12,348
And, like, even in that moment,
you're laughing a little bit,

1071
01:04:12,431 --> 01:04:14,433
or you're crying at the same time.

1072
01:04:14,517 --> 01:04:15,977
You're sharing stories.

1073
01:04:16,561 --> 01:04:21,315
You know, and my mom said,
really quickly then, she goes,

1074
01:04:21,399 --> 01:04:24,944
"It feels like your father has died
and that we're gathered here

1075
01:04:25,027 --> 01:04:26,445
after his funeral."

1076
01:04:27,071 --> 01:04:28,865
And I said, "Yeah, I know, Mom."

1077
01:04:29,949 --> 01:04:32,285
[melancholy music playing]

1078
01:04:32,368 --> 01:04:34,579
And then my mom, the first night,

1079
01:04:34,662 --> 01:04:37,498
she was, like, crying,
and she wanted me to sleep in her bed.

1080
01:04:37,582 --> 01:04:40,501
And I was like, I couldn't.
I couldn't handle it. It was too much.

1081
01:04:41,043 --> 01:04:43,796
I was still shaking
and still completely severed.

1082
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,674
And I just… it was too much.
I could not. And I, like…

1083
01:04:47,592 --> 01:04:50,636
literally had to leave my mom, alone.

1084
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,265
I just… I just… It was too much.
I just couldn't do it.

1085
01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:03,733
The relationship with my mother
is not existent at this moment.

1086
01:05:03,816 --> 01:05:05,318
It is estranged.

1087
01:05:05,985 --> 01:05:09,071
Um, we were good growing up,

1088
01:05:09,155 --> 01:05:13,743
and, um… good after the arrest.

1089
01:05:15,161 --> 01:05:16,412
But I toed the line.

1090
01:05:18,831 --> 01:05:22,835
You don't talk about it.
You just pull yourself up and go to work.

1091
01:05:23,753 --> 01:05:25,087
You don't tell people.

1092
01:05:28,215 --> 01:05:30,384
I'm the only one
that's public of my family.

1093
01:05:33,304 --> 01:05:37,058
I don't know.
It's frustrating as hell because,

1094
01:05:38,351 --> 01:05:41,646
like, Dad is still alive.
He's still my father, right?

1095
01:05:41,729 --> 01:05:45,024
So for my mom, she can divorce him.

1096
01:05:45,107 --> 01:05:47,318
She can cut him off. She has that power.

1097
01:05:47,401 --> 01:05:49,278
Separate her life, try to move on.

1098
01:05:49,862 --> 01:05:52,281
For me and my brother, we don't have that.

1099
01:05:52,365 --> 01:05:54,867
He's always my dad, right?
I look like him.

1100
01:05:55,534 --> 01:05:56,744
So for me,

1101
01:05:56,827 --> 01:05:58,913
I never thought of my dad as dead.

1102
01:06:03,250 --> 01:06:06,295
Early on, I… The pastor said
he thought it would help

1103
01:06:06,379 --> 01:06:09,465
if we would write my dad
and say what we needed to say.

1104
01:06:10,841 --> 01:06:15,096
So I started writing letters to my father
in March of '05.

1105
01:06:15,805 --> 01:06:18,599
"Dad, hello. I am physically doing okay."

1106
01:06:18,683 --> 01:06:20,643
"I am safe and home in Michigan."

1107
01:06:21,394 --> 01:06:23,688
"The media was reporting I turned you in."

1108
01:06:23,771 --> 01:06:24,855
"That's not true."

1109
01:06:24,939 --> 01:06:29,193
"I didn't know anything like everyone else
until the FBI knocked on my door."

1110
01:06:29,777 --> 01:06:32,363
"I tried to tell them
what a great man you are,

1111
01:06:32,446 --> 01:06:33,906
what a wonderful dad you are,

1112
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:36,951
how they totally had screwed up
and arrested the wrong guy."

1113
01:06:37,034 --> 01:06:39,829
"I tried. We all did,
but they didn't listen."

1114
01:06:40,746 --> 01:06:43,290
"We don't know who that other man is,

1115
01:06:43,374 --> 01:06:47,044
but we love the husband and father
and man we know with all our hearts."

1116
01:06:48,212 --> 01:06:50,631
"I was wondering if something
happened to you as a boy

1117
01:06:50,715 --> 01:06:52,842
and if you wanted to open up
and talk about it."

1118
01:06:52,925 --> 01:06:55,594
"I'm so sorry
if something did happen to you."

1119
01:06:55,678 --> 01:06:59,432
"You should know it's not your fault if
something happened when you were little."

1120
01:06:59,515 --> 01:07:03,728
"Someday we would like answers if you're
able to give them or have them yourself."

1121
01:07:04,687 --> 01:07:09,233
I was trying to be really careful
in my letter, and not express anger,

1122
01:07:09,316 --> 01:07:12,903
not express too much emotion,
let him know I still loved him.

1123
01:07:15,573 --> 01:07:18,701
He returned my letter March 26, 2005.

1124
01:07:19,326 --> 01:07:22,538
"Dear Kerri, happy belated Easter wish."

1125
01:07:22,621 --> 01:07:24,290
"Thank you so much for your letter."

1126
01:07:24,373 --> 01:07:26,751
"I was overjoyed
with emotions and happiness."

1127
01:07:26,834 --> 01:07:28,002
"I was beginning to think

1128
01:07:28,085 --> 01:07:30,379
no family members
were going to write to me."

1129
01:07:31,172 --> 01:07:32,548
"Your letter was very sincere,

1130
01:07:32,631 --> 01:07:35,885
and I can tell it came from a very loving
and understanding daughter."

1131
01:07:35,968 --> 01:07:38,095
"Arraignment is on April 19."

1132
01:07:38,179 --> 01:07:41,682
"We talked about a plea for insanity,
but I don't know whether

1133
01:07:41,766 --> 01:07:46,145
the state hospital or the prison
will be the best in the long run."

1134
01:07:48,606 --> 01:07:50,733
He was wavering back and forth,

1135
01:07:50,816 --> 01:07:52,985
and we didn't understand
what was going on.

1136
01:07:53,069 --> 01:07:55,404
Like, you know what they have on you.

1137
01:07:55,488 --> 01:07:57,615
You did it. Just, you know, man up.

1138
01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:00,534
You know, it was frustrating,
so frustrating.

1139
01:08:01,410 --> 01:08:03,454
We didn't want to go through trial.

1140
01:08:04,330 --> 01:08:08,959
But then in June of '05,
my dad pled guilty,

1141
01:08:09,585 --> 01:08:14,131
and that was the first time
we had addressed it square in the face.

1142
01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:19,095
[reporter] It's difficult to believe
that this is the man who authorities say

1143
01:08:19,178 --> 01:08:23,516
terrorized the city of Wichita, Kansas,
since 1974.

1144
01:08:23,599 --> 01:08:26,393
But Rader is charged
with ten counts of murder

1145
01:08:26,477 --> 01:08:30,022
in the cases that have
come to be known as BTK.

1146
01:08:30,898 --> 01:08:33,984
[reporter 2] In the courtroom,
families of some of BTK's victims

1147
01:08:34,068 --> 01:08:38,697
got their first real look at the man
police believe killed their loved ones.

1148
01:08:39,198 --> 01:08:40,407
[bailiff] Please rise.

1149
01:08:42,993 --> 01:08:47,706
[Peters] Dennis Rader's
preliminary hearing was in June of 2005.

1150
01:08:48,374 --> 01:08:51,544
And he pled guilty. We go,
"Okay, good, now we can go home."

1151
01:08:51,627 --> 01:08:52,920
No way.

1152
01:08:55,172 --> 01:08:59,093
Dennis Rader went into detail

1153
01:08:59,176 --> 01:09:01,720
of each murder.

1154
01:09:01,804 --> 01:09:06,517
[judge] I want you to tell me in your
own words why you believe you're guilty.

1155
01:09:07,184 --> 01:09:09,228
We will start off with count number one.

1156
01:09:09,979 --> 01:09:12,439
I had never strangled anyone before,

1157
01:09:12,523 --> 01:09:15,359
so I didn't know how much pressure
you had to put on a person

1158
01:09:15,442 --> 01:09:16,819
or how long it would take.

1159
01:09:16,902 --> 01:09:20,030
She was fighting.
I was basically losing control.

1160
01:09:20,114 --> 01:09:24,493
The strangulation wasn't working on her,
and I used a knife on her.

1161
01:09:24,577 --> 01:09:27,621
Got her a glass of water,
comforted her a little bit,

1162
01:09:27,705 --> 01:09:30,457
and then I went ahead
and tied her up, and then,

1163
01:09:30,541 --> 01:09:33,043
put a bag over her head and strangled her.

1164
01:09:33,127 --> 01:09:36,338
[reporter] It was like this
for 45 terrible minutes.

1165
01:09:36,422 --> 01:09:38,716
60-year-old Dennis Rader calmly,

1166
01:09:38,799 --> 01:09:42,887
even clinically, detailing
the ten murders he says he committed.

1167
01:09:43,762 --> 01:09:46,557
We stayed away from court.
We didn't want to be in there.

1168
01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:48,309
We couldn't handle the media.

1169
01:09:48,392 --> 01:09:51,437
We wanted the families
to have that time in court.

1170
01:09:51,520 --> 01:09:55,441
We didn't want to cause a disruption.
We just really could not handle it.

1171
01:09:56,692 --> 01:10:00,863
It was really, really hard
to hear him take a guilty,

1172
01:10:00,946 --> 01:10:02,865
and hearing it in his own words.

1173
01:10:02,948 --> 01:10:04,783
If you read much about serial killers,

1174
01:10:04,867 --> 01:10:07,578
they go through
what they call different phases.

1175
01:10:07,661 --> 01:10:10,789
That's one of the phases they go through
as a trolling stage.

1176
01:10:10,873 --> 01:10:13,209
Basically, you're looking for
a victim at that time.

1177
01:10:13,292 --> 01:10:16,587
But once you lock in on a certain person,
then you become a stalking,

1178
01:10:16,670 --> 01:10:20,132
and that might be several of them,
but you really home in on that person.

1179
01:10:20,716 --> 01:10:22,051
That's… That's the victim.

1180
01:10:22,968 --> 01:10:24,970
[judge] All right, is that correct?

1181
01:10:25,554 --> 01:10:28,432
All of these incidents, these ten counts,

1182
01:10:28,515 --> 01:10:32,811
occurred because you wanted to satisfy
a sexual fantasy, is that correct?

1183
01:10:33,437 --> 01:10:34,855
Yes. Mm-hmm.

1184
01:10:35,439 --> 01:10:37,858
All right, you may be seated, Mr. Rader.

1185
01:10:40,361 --> 01:10:43,906
That's Dennis Rader
describing ten brutal homicides

1186
01:10:43,989 --> 01:10:45,574
like it was a job.

1187
01:10:45,658 --> 01:10:48,327
You're right. It was like
it was just a job for him,

1188
01:10:48,410 --> 01:10:51,330
and he was just going
through the motions of his job.

1189
01:10:51,413 --> 01:10:54,083
My co-anchor and I were like,

1190
01:10:54,792 --> 01:10:56,502
"This is not happening."

1191
01:10:56,585 --> 01:11:00,172
Can you imagine being
his daughter or son or wife that day?

1192
01:11:01,882 --> 01:11:05,511
[Rawson] A lot of the stuff that came out,
I disassociated from it.

1193
01:11:06,595 --> 01:11:09,098
It was a disaster. It was… There was just…

1194
01:11:09,682 --> 01:11:13,060
I could not handle it.
You know, I just could not handle it.

1195
01:11:14,103 --> 01:11:15,145
[bailiff] All rise.

1196
01:11:15,896 --> 01:11:19,692
[Peters] It promises to be an emotional
few days in a Kansas courtroom.

1197
01:11:19,775 --> 01:11:22,027
Formal sentencing
gets underway this morning

1198
01:11:22,111 --> 01:11:23,946
for serial killer Dennis Rader.

1199
01:11:24,029 --> 01:11:28,117
[reporter] The proceedings have
blanketed Wichita, a town of 350,000,

1200
01:11:28,200 --> 01:11:31,412
where many have never
known life without BTK.

1201
01:11:31,996 --> 01:11:34,373
[Peters] The district attorney,
Nola Foulston,

1202
01:11:34,456 --> 01:11:37,501
had every intention
during that sentencing hearing

1203
01:11:37,584 --> 01:11:42,840
to humiliate Dennis Rader
to the nth degree.

1204
01:11:42,923 --> 01:11:44,258
[Foulston] What is that, sir?

1205
01:11:44,341 --> 01:11:47,886
This is a plastic, uh, mask.

1206
01:11:48,470 --> 01:11:52,224
[Lundin] Several search warrants were
executed around the city of Wichita.

1207
01:11:52,308 --> 01:11:55,686
Dennis Rader said,
"You'll find the mother lode in my office,

1208
01:11:55,769 --> 01:11:57,187
in my file cabinet."

1209
01:11:57,771 --> 01:12:01,942
It was an unlocked file cabinet,
so he felt obviously very secure

1210
01:12:02,026 --> 01:12:04,153
in maintaining these things here.

1211
01:12:04,236 --> 01:12:06,322
There was a lot of photography,

1212
01:12:06,405 --> 01:12:10,326
pictures that he had taken
over a span of time,

1213
01:12:10,409 --> 01:12:11,952
and a lot of drawings.

1214
01:12:13,329 --> 01:12:17,666
He had everything identified,
dates, alphabetized.

1215
01:12:17,750 --> 01:12:20,669
There was a cross-reference
so he could find stuff easily.

1216
01:12:20,753 --> 01:12:24,923
He basically created kind of a worksheet

1217
01:12:25,007 --> 01:12:26,967
of his projects.

1218
01:12:27,051 --> 01:12:29,803
[man] These are devices
that he took photos of.

1219
01:12:30,387 --> 01:12:34,058
[Rawson] When I was writing my dad,
Dad told us worse stuff was coming,

1220
01:12:34,141 --> 01:12:36,518
and I was like,
"What could be worse than murder?"

1221
01:12:36,602 --> 01:12:38,103
[Foulston] Oh, there are more of these?

1222
01:12:38,187 --> 01:12:40,189
He had hundreds,
if not thousands of those.

1223
01:12:40,272 --> 01:12:43,609
[Peters] The district attorney
showed pictures of Dennis Rader

1224
01:12:43,692 --> 01:12:46,612
with nylon stocking over his own head,

1225
01:12:46,695 --> 01:12:51,533
and she wanted to show the world
what a sick human being this was.

1226
01:12:52,618 --> 01:12:55,954
All of a sudden, it's coming out
about my dad in bondage

1227
01:12:56,038 --> 01:13:00,250
and naked in my grandparents' basement,
dressed up in victim's clothing.

1228
01:13:00,751 --> 01:13:03,670
And it's just like
a never-ending show of hell.

1229
01:13:12,388 --> 01:13:15,349
[Peters] The prosecutors are laying out
the horrifying details.

1230
01:13:15,432 --> 01:13:18,685
Some of the victim's families are right
there in court reliving the nightmare,

1231
01:13:18,769 --> 01:13:22,272
and today those families
will get to confront Rader himself.

1232
01:13:26,985 --> 01:13:30,614
Despite Dennis Rader's efforts
to destroy my family, we survived,

1233
01:13:30,697 --> 01:13:33,033
stronger and closer now more than ever.

1234
01:13:33,117 --> 01:13:35,953
Our love for each other
was forged with pain and loss.

1235
01:13:36,036 --> 01:13:38,956
As far as I'm concerned,
when it is all done,

1236
01:13:39,039 --> 01:13:42,126
Dennis Rader has failed
in his effort to kill the Oteros.

1237
01:13:42,835 --> 01:13:46,547
Although we have never met,
you have seen my face before.

1238
01:13:47,172 --> 01:13:50,134
It is the same face you murdered
over 30 years ago,

1239
01:13:50,217 --> 01:13:52,803
the face of my mother, Julia Otero.

1240
01:13:53,762 --> 01:13:57,099
The pain and suffering
that he has caused our family

1241
01:13:57,182 --> 01:14:00,602
and the loss of such a beautiful
young lady at 21,

1242
01:14:01,311 --> 01:14:04,398
he's got to go on and live his life,
31 years now,

1243
01:14:04,481 --> 01:14:07,067
with raising a family and children.

1244
01:14:08,569 --> 01:14:11,238
I cannot begin to explain to you.

1245
01:14:11,321 --> 01:14:15,492
There are not words to make you
understand what losing Nancy…

1246
01:14:15,576 --> 01:14:18,245
[sobbing] …has meant to me and my family.

1247
01:14:19,496 --> 01:14:22,875
I lost a friend, a confidant.

1248
01:14:23,500 --> 01:14:26,170
My children will never have an aunt,

1249
01:14:26,253 --> 01:14:28,255
and I'll never have another sister.

1250
01:14:28,338 --> 01:14:31,842
It's been almost 19 years now
that my brother and I

1251
01:14:31,925 --> 01:14:34,761
had the most important woman
in our lives taken from us.

1252
01:14:34,845 --> 01:14:36,680
[sniffles]

1253
01:14:36,763 --> 01:14:40,684
It's not fair that
we had so little time with her.

1254
01:14:43,061 --> 01:14:47,733
[Rodney Hook] Uh… I would only ask that
the court provide the maximum sentence

1255
01:14:48,233 --> 01:14:51,570
allowed by law to this monster.

1256
01:14:53,155 --> 01:14:55,407
I haven't… Um…

1257
01:14:58,619 --> 01:15:00,621
prepared for this statement, but…

1258
01:15:01,955 --> 01:15:03,290
you know,

1259
01:15:03,373 --> 01:15:07,503
I'd just like for him
to suffer for the rest of his life.

1260
01:15:09,505 --> 01:15:10,589
And,

1261
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,050
you know, I don't…

1262
01:15:17,179 --> 01:15:18,805
Uh, that's all.

1263
01:15:18,889 --> 01:15:20,891
[emotional music playing]

1264
01:15:22,142 --> 01:15:25,437
Speaking for my mother with us in spirit,
for my own family,

1265
01:15:25,521 --> 01:15:28,524
and I hope for the entire family
of survivors here today,

1266
01:15:28,607 --> 01:15:32,277
we dedicate this day to the memories
of those who cannot be with us.

1267
01:15:32,361 --> 01:15:35,697
Today we will each
silently remember a father,

1268
01:15:35,781 --> 01:15:37,449
a brother,

1269
01:15:37,533 --> 01:15:38,617
a wife,

1270
01:15:39,368 --> 01:15:40,827
a mother,

1271
01:15:40,911 --> 01:15:42,037
a sister,

1272
01:15:43,121 --> 01:15:45,707
a daughter, a grandmother.

1273
01:15:47,125 --> 01:15:49,753
While you agonize over the reality

1274
01:15:49,836 --> 01:15:53,423
that your last victims were
ironically your own family,

1275
01:15:54,049 --> 01:15:56,385
we will embrace
the new family we now have,

1276
01:15:56,468 --> 01:15:59,054
with whom we will always share
a common bond

1277
01:15:59,137 --> 01:16:01,640
forged from the pain
of adversity and loss.

1278
01:16:04,434 --> 01:16:07,813
[Peters] The victims' families
were incredible.

1279
01:16:07,896 --> 01:16:11,191
When the judge gave
Dennis Rader a chance to talk,

1280
01:16:11,275 --> 01:16:16,321
they did not want to make
Dennis Rader feel like he won.

1281
01:16:16,405 --> 01:16:19,992
Mr. Rader, do you desire
to say anything on your own behalf,

1282
01:16:20,075 --> 01:16:22,369
in mitigation of punishment?

1283
01:16:22,452 --> 01:16:25,914
And so, the victims' families
walked out of the courtroom.

1284
01:16:28,375 --> 01:16:31,670
[Rader] Your Honor,
Sedgwick County, the victims.

1285
01:16:32,754 --> 01:16:35,299
I do realize that
the crimes I've committed…

1286
01:16:38,885 --> 01:16:40,637
Should I continue, or…

1287
01:16:40,721 --> 01:16:41,597
Okay.

1288
01:16:42,889 --> 01:16:46,184
[Rawson] After the victims' statements,
they let him talk.

1289
01:16:46,268 --> 01:16:48,437
He's now got a shot to apologize

1290
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:52,899
or say something meaningful or, you know,
say that he regretted everything.

1291
01:16:52,983 --> 01:16:55,527
And instead he gets up,
and he thanks everybody.

1292
01:16:55,611 --> 01:16:57,696
So he thanks the police, he thanks the DA,

1293
01:16:57,779 --> 01:17:00,866
he thanks the victims' families,
he thanks the judge.

1294
01:17:00,949 --> 01:17:03,201
It's, like, the most bizarre thing.

1295
01:17:03,785 --> 01:17:05,954
[judge] Mr. Rader, would you please stand?

1296
01:17:08,790 --> 01:17:10,334
Sir, based upon your plea,

1297
01:17:10,417 --> 01:17:14,630
which occurred on the 27th day
of June 2005 before this court,

1298
01:17:14,713 --> 01:17:17,215
I once again adjudge you guilty.

1299
01:17:18,091 --> 01:17:21,928
[Rawson] The judge sentenced him
to 175 years in prison,

1300
01:17:22,012 --> 01:17:26,016
and that is the last time
that man has been outside of walls.

1301
01:17:36,777 --> 01:17:39,029
[vehicle approaching]

1302
01:17:44,910 --> 01:17:46,995
[intriguing music playing]

1303
01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:50,791
After my dad was arrested,
I hadn't talked about any of this stuff.

1304
01:17:50,874 --> 01:17:55,462
I hadn't… I hadn't addressed any of it
for, like, ten years almost.

1305
01:17:56,880 --> 01:17:59,966
When people were like,
"Tell me about your life or your father,"

1306
01:18:00,050 --> 01:18:02,427
or, you know, just in casual conversation,

1307
01:18:02,511 --> 01:18:06,390
I would say I'm estranged from my father,
or at the most I'd say my dad is in jail.

1308
01:18:06,473 --> 01:18:09,935
I was following the Midwest code.
Don't talk about the bad things.

1309
01:18:10,018 --> 01:18:12,979
And then that night
I found out about Stephen King…

1310
01:18:13,647 --> 01:18:18,110
Like, when I… when that reporter
called me from the Eagle,

1311
01:18:18,944 --> 01:18:21,279
it was like the first time
somebody had given me permission

1312
01:18:21,363 --> 01:18:23,156
to just talk, to just let it out.

1313
01:18:23,240 --> 01:18:26,660
And as soon as somebody said,
"No, it's okay, you can talk about it,"

1314
01:18:26,743 --> 01:18:30,247
it was like I let it… it got out of me,
and then I started healing.

1315
01:18:31,748 --> 01:18:34,251
In 2015, I started learning how to write.

1316
01:18:34,751 --> 01:18:37,087
It took me four years
to write my first book,

1317
01:18:37,170 --> 01:18:42,259
and then it became
a national bestseller in, um, 2019.

1318
01:18:42,801 --> 01:18:46,471
You are an incredibly courageous person
for writing this, for getting out there.

1319
01:18:46,555 --> 01:18:50,225
I've been through hell and I'm still here.
So my message is hold on.

1320
01:18:50,308 --> 01:18:53,019
Hope's just around the corner.
Don't ever give up.

1321
01:18:55,063 --> 01:18:57,899
When I'm sitting, like, here…

1322
01:18:58,817 --> 01:18:59,693
[exhales]

1323
01:19:00,694 --> 01:19:03,530
like, I'm surrounded by stuff like my dad,

1324
01:19:03,613 --> 01:19:07,033
like, photos of my dad,
my book with my dad.

1325
01:19:07,826 --> 01:19:10,203
I mean, a lot of who I am now,

1326
01:19:10,287 --> 01:19:14,499
and my identity, is unfortunately
wrapped into my father.

1327
01:19:15,834 --> 01:19:21,798
I've had some problems on Facebook,
and I've had, like, people email me

1328
01:19:21,882 --> 01:19:25,010
and Instagram message me, text me,

1329
01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:27,888
stalk me, threaten to kill me,

1330
01:19:27,971 --> 01:19:32,267
say things like they wish my dad
had left an 11th victim, which is me.

1331
01:19:33,894 --> 01:19:36,354
My trauma therapist said, recently, like,

1332
01:19:36,438 --> 01:19:39,816
"What would happen
if you just walked away from all of this?"

1333
01:19:39,900 --> 01:19:42,736
And I said it would be peaceful.

1334
01:19:43,820 --> 01:19:48,158
But, like, my reality is
my career is now tied into all of this.

1335
01:19:58,084 --> 01:19:59,961
[Reed] If you look at this
and look at that,

1336
01:20:00,045 --> 01:20:02,798
that's, you know, this pertains
to an unsolved homicide.

1337
01:20:02,881 --> 01:20:03,924
Um…

1338
01:20:05,467 --> 01:20:07,677
That's why I wanted
to visit with him about that.

1339
01:20:08,178 --> 01:20:10,555
[Rawson] "26-year-old mother
who disappeared Saturday

1340
01:20:10,639 --> 01:20:13,600
while out to dry her laundry
may have fallen victim to foul play."

1341
01:20:14,392 --> 01:20:16,436
Uh, "Denise Rathburn, 25,

1342
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:20,023
left her home between 3 p.m.
and 8:30 p.m. Saturday,

1343
01:20:20,106 --> 01:20:22,484
pushing a baby carriage
full of wet laundry."

1344
01:20:22,567 --> 01:20:23,819
"She did not return."

1345
01:20:26,029 --> 01:20:28,073
How are you feeling about this area?

1346
01:20:28,156 --> 01:20:30,200
We used to drive bikes over there.

1347
01:20:30,283 --> 01:20:31,701
We would ride bikes over there.

1348
01:20:31,785 --> 01:20:34,120
-So we can go look and all of that.
-Mm-hmm.

1349
01:20:34,871 --> 01:20:37,666
We had a sit-down.
I got in my dad's records.

1350
01:20:37,749 --> 01:20:40,710
He had these little spiral notebooks,
and he would recreate notes,

1351
01:20:40,794 --> 01:20:44,756
and his projects, which were, like,
stalkings and sometimes murders

1352
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:48,134
and breakings and enterings.
He's got, like, at least 70 or 80 of them.

1353
01:20:48,218 --> 01:20:51,346
And they're just… they just let me go.

1354
01:20:51,429 --> 01:20:55,225
Like, that stuff had been
in existence in evidence since '05,

1355
01:20:55,308 --> 01:20:57,644
but nobody had ever let me in, right?

1356
01:20:57,727 --> 01:21:02,357
Specific location things where we can
actually drive and physically look.

1357
01:21:02,440 --> 01:21:05,861
[Rawson] I'm reading through
my dad's notes, and he has a notation,

1358
01:21:05,944 --> 01:21:07,863
'81 for the year 1981.

1359
01:21:07,946 --> 01:21:10,866
I would have been… two, three.

1360
01:21:10,949 --> 01:21:17,038
In all caps, he has "Kerri/B and D,"
which is bondage/game.

1361
01:21:18,081 --> 01:21:21,293
And I see that, and I'm like,
"What the holy crap?"

1362
01:21:22,419 --> 01:21:26,423
And then there's another one…
right after that

1363
01:21:26,506 --> 01:21:29,843
that says, "Kids/bath/S,"

1364
01:21:29,926 --> 01:21:31,761
and that's for sex for my dad.

1365
01:21:32,596 --> 01:21:37,309
So I'm like, "Did dad molest me
in the bath when I was, like, three?"

1366
01:21:38,268 --> 01:21:41,688
And what is… why…
Why is my name on a bondage game?

1367
01:21:42,856 --> 01:21:48,194
And so I am, like, just full spinning
at this point. Really, really confused.

1368
01:21:50,113 --> 01:21:52,657
Maybe dad had been practicing in my room.

1369
01:21:52,741 --> 01:21:54,409
Was he practicing on me?

1370
01:21:57,120 --> 01:22:00,415
I had night terrors and issues
in my bedroom growing up.

1371
01:22:05,795 --> 01:22:08,465
Part of that night terror stuff,

1372
01:22:09,132 --> 01:22:13,845
wetting the bed,
scared of the dark, terrified in my bed,

1373
01:22:13,929 --> 01:22:17,015
had to do with something with,
like, a bad man in the house.

1374
01:22:17,933 --> 01:22:20,060
But it was like a home invasion thing.

1375
01:22:21,519 --> 01:22:23,313
That's what he did to victims.

1376
01:22:23,980 --> 01:22:26,316
I never knew where that came from.

1377
01:22:28,944 --> 01:22:30,737
I think my subconscious was trying

1378
01:22:30,820 --> 01:22:33,281
to get it out of me
since I was a little girl.

1379
01:22:35,825 --> 01:22:38,453
Saying, "Hey, there's
a bad man in my house."

1380
01:22:42,624 --> 01:22:47,754
Seeing my name in his own handwriting,
in his project notes, it's just a lot.

1381
01:22:47,837 --> 01:22:50,048
The only person talking to me, really…

1382
01:22:50,840 --> 01:22:53,218
or the only people talking to me
is Osage County.

1383
01:22:53,927 --> 01:22:57,055
So of course I'm going to get
pulled into their narratives, right?

1384
01:22:57,931 --> 01:23:00,058
We're trying to figure out,
"Did he do any more?"

1385
01:23:00,141 --> 01:23:02,268
I… I don't know if he did any more.

1386
01:23:06,606 --> 01:23:09,401
Everybody and their dog
wants a piece of me.

1387
01:23:09,484 --> 01:23:13,863
"Can we write your dad?
Can you get us in to your dad?"

1388
01:23:14,406 --> 01:23:18,910
There's very few people I can trust
at this point that want to get to know me

1389
01:23:19,661 --> 01:23:23,039
because it's all… It's all around my dad.

1390
01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:25,208
Then I get trolled on Twitter,

1391
01:23:25,291 --> 01:23:27,794
and people are like,
"You're nothing without your dad."

1392
01:23:27,877 --> 01:23:30,088
"You have no life and no career."

1393
01:23:30,672 --> 01:23:32,465
So I'm upset today.

1394
01:23:33,425 --> 01:23:36,720
Like, frustrated and angry and sad,

1395
01:23:36,803 --> 01:23:38,596
and wanting to give up,

1396
01:23:39,264 --> 01:23:42,058
and just… run away.

1397
01:23:44,519 --> 01:23:47,647
I was feeling really bad about
all of this, and my therapist said,

1398
01:23:47,731 --> 01:23:50,191
"You know what, law enforcement's
just looking into things,

1399
01:23:50,275 --> 01:23:52,402
and they're asking questions,
and that's okay."

1400
01:23:52,485 --> 01:23:54,612
Like, "That's their job. It's okay."

1401
01:23:54,696 --> 01:23:57,282
It really helps me
when somebody says it's okay.

1402
01:24:02,203 --> 01:24:06,416
They asked for me to go in
and see my dad in prison to find out,

1403
01:24:07,292 --> 01:24:10,128
did he commit any more crimes?
Are there any more murders?

1404
01:24:11,129 --> 01:24:13,173
If my father has committed more murders,

1405
01:24:13,256 --> 01:24:15,467
then we really do need to get
to the bottom of the truth,

1406
01:24:15,550 --> 01:24:18,303
and we need to get to it
before my father passes away.

1407
01:24:19,763 --> 01:24:21,431
They could tell I was anxious.

1408
01:24:21,514 --> 01:24:23,975
I mean, I hadn't seen him
for 18 and a half years,

1409
01:24:24,059 --> 01:24:26,853
but they're not getting in
to see my father without me.

1410
01:24:27,645 --> 01:24:30,565
So… no, I was not done with Dad.

1411
01:24:36,780 --> 01:24:39,908
I had worked for days
for things to talk to my dad about.

1412
01:24:39,991 --> 01:24:41,326
Law enforcement was with me.

1413
01:24:41,409 --> 01:24:43,620
They said, "You can't bring
the sexual abuse up."

1414
01:24:44,579 --> 01:24:46,623
"It's gonna cause him to shut down."

1415
01:24:49,292 --> 01:24:51,211
When we got to the prison,

1416
01:24:51,294 --> 01:24:53,963
you have to go by,
like, this inner watchtower,

1417
01:24:54,047 --> 01:24:58,468
and you go through
a series of, like, locked doors.

1418
01:24:59,010 --> 01:25:02,430
And I go in with two investigators,
a male and a female.

1419
01:25:05,016 --> 01:25:06,810
You know, he's frail.

1420
01:25:06,893 --> 01:25:08,603
He's in a wheelchair.

1421
01:25:08,686 --> 01:25:12,232
And he was literally, like, crying,
so happy to see me.

1422
01:25:12,774 --> 01:25:15,652
Like, just over the moon
to get to see his kid.

1423
01:25:16,486 --> 01:25:20,115
He's only, like, three or four feet
across from me at a table.

1424
01:25:20,824 --> 01:25:24,119
And then I'm in there
for a couple… two, three hours,

1425
01:25:24,202 --> 01:25:28,289
asking him questions
about everything that's going on.

1426
01:25:30,583 --> 01:25:32,585
I said,
"There's a series of missing women."

1427
01:25:32,669 --> 01:25:35,296
"There's these cases
that look like they could be you."

1428
01:25:35,380 --> 01:25:39,134
"They match your MO, or they're
close enough to it, or timeframes."

1429
01:25:39,217 --> 01:25:41,261
And he goes, "What are you talking about?"

1430
01:25:41,845 --> 01:25:43,638
And he said, "Can't we just reminisce?"

1431
01:25:43,721 --> 01:25:47,183
"Can't we just have a father-daughter?
Can't we just have memories?"

1432
01:25:47,267 --> 01:25:49,352
And I was like,
"Dad, that's not why I'm here."

1433
01:25:51,312 --> 01:25:53,565
He's dodging things,
saying he's forgetting things,

1434
01:25:53,648 --> 01:25:55,233
but then he has this really sharp memory.

1435
01:25:55,316 --> 01:25:56,901
Deny, deny, deny.

1436
01:25:56,985 --> 01:25:58,486
He's completely innocent,

1437
01:25:58,570 --> 01:26:01,239
that he's a saint, other than
for all the other things he did.

1438
01:26:03,158 --> 01:26:05,827
He said, "Oh, you know,
I just… It was just the ten."

1439
01:26:06,703 --> 01:26:08,872
And he turned on a dime.

1440
01:26:09,581 --> 01:26:11,875
He was angry about the investigation.

1441
01:26:11,958 --> 01:26:15,128
He was angry about the media.
He thought things were wrapping up.

1442
01:26:15,211 --> 01:26:16,671
You know, he was just angry.

1443
01:26:18,298 --> 01:26:22,093
So I shouldn't have done this.
I ended up asking my dad

1444
01:26:22,177 --> 01:26:24,262
about the notation in his journal.

1445
01:26:24,345 --> 01:26:27,640
I said, "Dad, what does
'Kerri Bondage game' mean?"

1446
01:26:27,724 --> 01:26:31,227
And my dad goes, "That was just a fantasy.
I never touched the family."

1447
01:26:32,312 --> 01:26:36,691
He goes, "You're just making stuff up
about me now to be, like, famous."

1448
01:26:36,774 --> 01:26:38,318
My PTSD just went…

1449
01:26:38,401 --> 01:26:39,444
[imitates explosion]

1450
01:26:42,197 --> 01:26:43,573
-[dog barks]
-Everything closed in.

1451
01:26:43,656 --> 01:26:45,366
I couldn't see. I couldn't think.

1452
01:26:45,450 --> 01:26:47,577
I was like, "That's it.
I'm done. I don't care."

1453
01:26:47,660 --> 01:26:51,206
And it was just, like,
a blast of, like, 45 years of anger

1454
01:26:51,289 --> 01:26:52,999
and everything at my dad.

1455
01:26:55,001 --> 01:26:57,503
I'm just, like, completely off script.

1456
01:26:57,587 --> 01:27:00,590
And I just nail him about everything,
about Mrs. Hedge,

1457
01:27:00,673 --> 01:27:03,009
the pine needles, about being six

1458
01:27:03,092 --> 01:27:05,553
and putting me in the back
of that Oldsmobile

1459
01:27:05,637 --> 01:27:07,639
that later he put Mrs. Davis's body in.

1460
01:27:08,389 --> 01:27:11,309
I'm just nailing him with all this stuff
that had been inside me.

1461
01:27:12,477 --> 01:27:16,356
It's just a big, huge ball of trauma,
and I'm just ramming him with it.

1462
01:27:17,732 --> 01:27:20,860
It was like I was back in my house
with that man coming home,

1463
01:27:20,944 --> 01:27:23,738
walking in that door, and you didn't know
who was coming home.

1464
01:27:23,821 --> 01:27:26,908
Is Dad coming home?
Is angry man coming home?

1465
01:27:26,991 --> 01:27:29,202
[unsettling music playing]

1466
01:27:31,829 --> 01:27:35,166
I was upset, and he's like, "Kerri,
Kerri, you brought this on yourself."

1467
01:27:35,250 --> 01:27:37,669
[thunder crashing]

1468
01:27:40,088 --> 01:27:44,550
And he was literally, like,
gaslighting me, manipulating me,

1469
01:27:44,634 --> 01:27:47,762
lying to me, five feet from me.

1470
01:27:50,348 --> 01:27:52,141
It was like I wasn't talking to my dad.

1471
01:27:52,225 --> 01:27:54,811
It was like I was talking to,
like, a subhuman.

1472
01:27:55,979 --> 01:27:58,731
And so when everybody talks
about him being a psychopath

1473
01:27:58,815 --> 01:28:01,734
and a narcissist
and not wanting to be around him,

1474
01:28:02,735 --> 01:28:06,948
I had still been able to find humanity
in him, and then I wasn't able to.

1475
01:28:10,201 --> 01:28:13,830
I don't ever want to go
anywhere near that person again.

1476
01:28:13,913 --> 01:28:16,332
That's not my dad.
I don't know who that is.

1477
01:28:22,130 --> 01:28:25,258
[somber music playing]

1478
01:28:38,187 --> 01:28:41,691
I'll grieve those memories
and that girl and that family.

1479
01:28:42,442 --> 01:28:43,901
I lost all of it.

1480
01:28:44,902 --> 01:28:48,906
But I just didn't really want
to give him any of me anymore,

1481
01:28:48,990 --> 01:28:52,076
and I really didn't want
any of it in my life.

1482
01:28:55,788 --> 01:28:59,500
I started building space
between me and this really…

1483
01:28:59,584 --> 01:29:02,920
nastiness right over here in my father.

1484
01:29:03,421 --> 01:29:08,676
It was a decision to separate myself
from, you know, vileness.

1485
01:29:10,053 --> 01:29:11,804
How many years has it been since?

1486
01:29:11,888 --> 01:29:14,223
-What is that? Since high school.
-Twent… twen…

1487
01:29:14,307 --> 01:29:15,767
-[Rawson] Ninety-six?
-I can't math.

1488
01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:16,809
I can't either.

1489
01:29:16,893 --> 01:29:19,228
[Sheffield] I know.
I remember it's been, like, 25…

1490
01:29:19,312 --> 01:29:20,521
[Rawson] Twenty-seven.

1491
01:29:20,605 --> 01:29:21,689
[Rogers] No!

1492
01:29:21,773 --> 01:29:25,485
Twenty-seven since high school,
and 26 since our freshman year.

1493
01:29:25,568 --> 01:29:26,402
[laughs]

1494
01:29:26,486 --> 01:29:28,321
Yeah, it's bad. It's really bad.

1495
01:29:28,404 --> 01:29:31,908
Because then you add that to
how old you were, and you're like, "No."

1496
01:29:31,991 --> 01:29:33,910
[Rogers] You didn't make it
to the reunion.

1497
01:29:33,993 --> 01:29:37,121
Oh God, I'm not going to no reunion.
Are you kidding me?

1498
01:29:37,205 --> 01:29:40,208
They'd be, "What was it like
growing up with him? You look like him."

1499
01:29:40,291 --> 01:29:43,961
-You guys know my mom. I look like my mom.
-[Sheffield] That's what I would've said.

1500
01:29:44,045 --> 01:29:47,799
And nobody knows what my mom looks like,
so I'm like, "I look like my mom. Stop."

1501
01:29:47,882 --> 01:29:49,926
Anybody that knows me

1502
01:29:50,009 --> 01:29:53,888
before Dad's arrest know me
as Kerri and my family that way.

1503
01:29:53,971 --> 01:29:55,390
Right? And they respect that.

1504
01:29:56,891 --> 01:30:01,229
Andrea, I've known her since kindergarten.

1505
01:30:01,938 --> 01:30:04,899
Rita I've known since middle school.

1506
01:30:06,109 --> 01:30:08,903
And they still just see me as who I am.

1507
01:30:09,529 --> 01:30:12,949
[Rogers] I was talking to my husband
the other day, and I said,

1508
01:30:13,032 --> 01:30:15,701
"At the end of the day,
what I wish for Kerri

1509
01:30:15,785 --> 01:30:18,579
is that you find peace,

1510
01:30:18,663 --> 01:30:21,624
but able to live your life
without this black cloud."

1511
01:30:21,707 --> 01:30:23,501
-[Sheffield] You deserve it.
-Yeah, you do.

1512
01:30:23,584 --> 01:30:24,752
You absolutely do.

1513
01:30:24,836 --> 01:30:25,753
I know.

1514
01:30:27,004 --> 01:30:30,258
I've learned to build boundaries.
I've learned to speak up.

1515
01:30:30,341 --> 01:30:34,303
I've become a public figure, you know,
to advocate for crime victims

1516
01:30:34,387 --> 01:30:37,306
and trauma victims and survivors,

1517
01:30:37,390 --> 01:30:42,311
and lend my voice, you know, not just for
people that have been through what I have,

1518
01:30:42,395 --> 01:30:44,397
but families like mine and…

1519
01:30:45,231 --> 01:30:46,816
you know, other victims.

1520
01:30:47,650 --> 01:30:50,987
I'm just going to keep
trying to use my voice and speak up,

1521
01:30:51,070 --> 01:30:54,157
advocate for other families when needed.

1522
01:30:54,240 --> 01:30:56,868
[indistinct affectionate muttering]

1523
01:30:57,577 --> 01:31:01,038
Every freaking headline
for the last ten years has said,

1524
01:31:01,122 --> 01:31:03,082
"BTK's daughter, BTK's daughter."

1525
01:31:03,166 --> 01:31:08,796
One got it right and said, "Kerri Rawson,
daughter of Dennis Rader, the BTK killer."

1526
01:31:10,173 --> 01:31:14,552
I want to be identified
like… Kerri Rawson.

1527
01:31:17,346 --> 01:31:20,850
On a bigger level,
I guess that that's how I'm identified,

1528
01:31:20,933 --> 01:31:22,768
but I'm so much more than that.

1529
01:31:22,852 --> 01:31:24,854
Good girl. That's a good girl.

1530
01:31:24,937 --> 01:31:28,900
I'm a mom, so I spend time with my kids
and we go to the beach.

1531
01:31:28,983 --> 01:31:32,236
I like to read and watch TV
and… like anybody,

1532
01:31:32,320 --> 01:31:35,448
and just chill out,
so I'm just a normal person.

1533
01:31:37,492 --> 01:31:41,078
And most days, I don't even really think
about who my dad is.

1534
01:31:41,162 --> 01:31:42,580
I don't think about him.

1535
01:31:43,164 --> 01:31:46,000
Come on, let's go get a drink. Good girl.

1536
01:31:48,169 --> 01:31:49,212
I'm just me.

1537
01:31:50,922 --> 01:31:52,924
[quiet, bittersweet music playing]

1538
01:33:10,668 --> 01:33:12,670
[music ends]