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["Ventilator Blues"
by The Rolling Stones playing]
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[interviewer] Hollywood measures success
by box office and Academy Awards.
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How do you measure success?
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All right, so you're not
box office and you've never...
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I don't know what to say.
Never got an Academy Award.
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- How do you measure success?
- Um...
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The value of the work.
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[song continues]
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[Scorsese on set] Action!
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By the time 1998 came around,
again, I was at a low ebb.
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{\an8}I was on the outside of the American
film industry, so to speak.
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{\an8}The last film that
had got any real recognition,
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and that made some money
at least, was Casino.
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- [grunting]
- Yeah, and give him a couple of kicks.
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They weren't considering me for anything
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and there were certain projects
I wanted to make.
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[song continues]
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{\an8}[Paul Schrader] Marty and I had just done
Bringing Out The Dead.
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{\an8}Marty, at that time, was looking to do
bigger and bigger budget films.
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He saw himself as,
he said, a fresco painter,
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doing bigger and bigger canvases.
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[Martin Scorsese] But I had
to find some money.
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And to get the financing to do that,
I needed a lifesaver.
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{\an8}And that's when Mike Ovitz came in.
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{\an8}And he had started his new company
and he came to me and said,
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"We have this young actor in it,
Leo DiCaprio. You should meet him,"
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and I knew him through Bob De Niro.
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{\an8}I said, "Watch this kid.
He's... He's interesting."
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- Leonardo, right here, please!
- Leonardo!
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[interviewer] How do you feel about being
a sex symbol, as it were?
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Am I a sex symbol?
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{\an8}The nominees for
Actor in a Supporting Role are
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{\an8}Leonardo DiCaprio in
What's Eating Gilbert Grape?
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[Rebecca Miller] When did you first see
one of Marty's films?
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{\an8}I had done This Boy's Life
with Robert De Niro,
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and I decided to watch
Marty's entire catalogue of movies.
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Certainly, all the ones De Niro was in.
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I was kicking back on my couch
watching VHS tapes...
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Believe me, Jerry, I'm very good.
I'm really good. I'm dynamite.
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[Leonardo DiCaprio] These films
affected me profoundly, at a young age.
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And then after Titanic,
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I was no longer
this indie, sort of, actor.
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[girls screaming]
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I then became somebody
that could finance my own projects.
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So it was, "Okay, what do you wanna do?"
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I said, "I wanna work with
Martin Scorsese. What does he have?"
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["House of the Ancestors"
by Afro Celt Sound System playing]
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[Rick Yorn] We put Leo and Marty together.
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{\an8}I'd met Marty, but "Hi" and "Bye", right?
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{\an8}But an official meeting.
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He said he always wanted
to do Gangs of New York, right?
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I was like, "Tell him I'll do it.
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I don't care what the script is.
Let's do it."
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- [Miller] First time you found the book?
- [Scorsese] January 1st, 1970.
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This was before you made Mean Streets.
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When I finished Raging Bull,
I tried to get it financed
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and we almost did, but couldn't
get it financed. It was too expensive.
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{\an8}[Miller] He wanted to make the film
for such a long time.
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{\an8}I mean, it's the origin story, isn't it?
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{\an8}[Scorsese] The history of the city
was fascinating to me,
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{\an8}and the stories of the gangs.
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My father would talk about the 40 Thieves.
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[traditional Irish music playing]
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In effect, the society was being
worked out in the streets.
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{\an8}Particularly, the Five Points,
which was termed
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{\an8}the worst slum in the world,
at the time, in the 1850s.
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I thought I wanted to create that world
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that nobody's really
ever seen before in film.
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{\an8}In my neighborhood, I'd heard stories
about all of this, for years.
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{\an8}I always thought
what a great film it would make,
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and then I found out
more and more about it.
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[Scorsese] It wasn't really a city.
It was a warring state.
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On my challenge...
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by the ancient laws of combat...
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[Scorsese] I remember meeting with Daniel,
and I had these images of the period.
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And as I opened the book,
there's Bill the Butcher
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and it looks just like him.
I said, "Look at that.
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How could you not do this?
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All you need is the mustache,
look, it's a classic."
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The historical figure was regarded
as a genuine hero in the community.
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[Scorsese] Bill "The Butcher" Poole
lived in the Five Points
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and had a running battle
with every Irishman he could find.
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...who holds sway over the Five Points.
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Us natives, born right-wise
to this fine land?
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- Or the foreign hordes defiling it?
- [men yell, blades ring]
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It was so prophetic, in a way,
the telling of that story,
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because this...
this ludicrous notion of nativism.
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You mother whoring Irish nigger,
whose man are you?
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We speak English in this country.
Whose man are you? You see this knife?
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I'm going to teach you to speak English
with this fucking knife.
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[Scorsese] I come from an immigrant group.
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I learned more and more about the...
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the welcome
that the immigrants received...
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[man] Go back to Ireland, you dumb mick.
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...starting with the Irish, you know.
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The Irish learned how to handle all this.
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They dealt with it,
but they had to fight back.
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Fighting against
the Know-Nothings and the Wide-Awakes.
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Which are names like now The Proud Boys.
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- [mob shouting]
- [explosion]
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[Scorsese] The Irish
had to fight for their place.
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Archbishop Hughes, the firebrand,
he said, "You burn one Catholic church,
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we're gonna burn the Protestant churches."
They had to fight back.
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They fought along the brick wall
between Mulberry and Mott.
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{\an8}Growing up, we were
hanging out on their gravestones.
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So, this was the ancient world to us.
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[laughs]
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It looks like New York. It's great.
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[Scorsese] It was like
science fiction in reverse.
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- [man] This is Five Points.
- This is it. The Five Points.
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[Scorsese] Our vision was to create all
of downtown New York at Cinecittà Studios,
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{\an8}because of the Fellini films and
Pasolini films that were made there.
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That meant so much to me. And I remember
George Lucas coming down to see me.
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And he said, "No one will ever
make a picture like this again.
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This set will never be built
like this again. These sets."
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[DiCaprio] You know, this was
a multi-million-dollar epic
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where they recreated
turn-of-the-century New York.
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The sheer responsibility of that
is like, "Oh my God.
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Be careful what you wish for.
This is an intimidating experience."
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This is the liver.
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The kidneys.
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The heart.
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[DiCaprio] Daniel and Marty had
worked together beforehand.
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I remember walking
in the first day on set
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and they were discussing
how to cut the meat.
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And Daniel had a real butcher with him,
and they spent quite a few hours
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while the whole set
[laughs] was sitting there,
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talking about whether
it would be chop or loin.
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This is a kill.
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This is a kill.
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Main artery. This is a kill.
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You try.
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That actor/director intense collaboration,
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I had never seen
to that degree before in my life.
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[Daniel Day-Lewis] Martin is searching.
And if you want to go further,
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he will always encourage you
to go further.
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He's just so full of glee,
so full of encouragement,
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just to see how far you can take a thing.
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- [thud]
- [audience gasps]
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- Whoopsie daisy!
- [laughter]
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[Miller] And didn't you... Isn't that
the time you broke your nose?
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Yeah.
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[roars]
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[Day-Lewis] There was
so much blood all over my face
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that you couldn't really tell
that most of it was mine. [chuckles]
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It was all my idea. It was my own fault.
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[laughing] So I paid the price for it,
I suppose.
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What'll it be then?
Rib or chop? Loin or shank?
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- [man] The liver!
- [man 2] The spleen!
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[cleaver whooshes]
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[audience gasps and shouts]
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[Scorsese] I had been so obsessed
with that project for so many years,
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that I put everything into it.
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And that meant going toe-to-toe
with Harvey Weinstein.
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{\an8}[Jay Cocks] Harvey was a salesman
and a thug. He's not an artist.
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But he wanted
to be invited to the artists' table,
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and this was his way in.
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[Brian De Palma] But Marty,
he is so committed to getting it done,
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{\an8}he's been able to work
with these very difficult producers.
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And that's a great talent.
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Because you can't make these big movies
unless you have that kind of financing.
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[Scorsese] He loved cinema,
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and he wanted to make it spectacular
in the style of the '50s and '60s
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in terms of David Lean or Metzger.
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So did I, to a certain extent,
but I do it my own way.
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Ya-da-da. And he goes out of frame.
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[Scorsese] I wanted to make, uh, something
that had as much authenticity as possible
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from what I could understand
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and what I had been studying
over the years and researching.
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He also needed to sell a picture.
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And the worst thing for him were the hats.
He didn't want anybody wearing hats.
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I said, "Everybody wore hats.
Everybody wore hats.
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What do you want from me?
Everybody wore hats."
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- [man] Hey.
- I just want to see your face, son.
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No harm intended.
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[Scorsese] But at the same time,
he didn't want to turn off the audience
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to something that looked alien. Um...
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- [Miller] Or not beautiful?
- Yeah. Exactly.
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You've got a beautiful man,
you've got beautiful women in there.
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You want people to see them.
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[gasps]
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You have to work with it.
You're making a film together.
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And also,
they're going to give you the money.
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It's bartering. It's bartering.
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Because it's either that
or not get the film made.
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[Day-Lewis] When you go into this work,
you give birth to yourself
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into a world of conflict and corruption.
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There will always be that opposition
between money, where the power is,
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and the creative people
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who are trying to tell stories
with that money. [laughs]
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[Scorsese] I was shooting it
a certain way,
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according to the way I made my drawings,
so it took me a little longer.
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So, Harvey got furious.
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Said, "It's costing too much."
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And the studio,
they didn't want to pay for some of it.
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So I had to really focus on
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what I wanted to shoot,
what I thought was important,
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in order to get control of what
was remaining of the production.
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The pressure was so strong.
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[Day-Lewis] But Martin's a cage fighter.
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He'll be the last one standing.
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- [blades swishing]
- [men grunting]
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[Scorsese] I fought to get what I needed,
but I had a weakness.
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Which was I kept changing the script.
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To this day, I don't have the story down.
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There was a lot of discussion of...
about the screenplay.
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It definitely continued to evolve.
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In some cases,
making it up as we went along.
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In which case, that meant, you know...
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People in charge would come in
and say, "What are you doing?"
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[Day-Lewis] There were a few writers
drifting around.
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One of them was a spy...
for the Weinstein camp.
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And he was sp-- [laughs] He was spying.
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Reporting back all our, sort of,
misdemeanors and everything and...
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But, anyhow, Martin lost it at one point,
and threw his desk out of the window.
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It was on the third floor,
as I remember it.
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I go in, I see these desks
and there was the producer
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and I took the desk and tossed it over.
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[laughing] And it was my...
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The other associate with me,
he said, "That's not his desk."
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[Scorsese continues laughing]
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It was just volatile.
You know, everybody was, um...
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It was tough.
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[fans screaming]
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[reporter] Martin Scorsese's
long-anticipated epic,
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Gangs of New York,
opens all across the country.
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- [reporter] Hello.
- Hello.
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[Scorsese] The film went way over budget.
I did have everything on the line.
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So, I really did everything I could
to get the publicity out there.
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[reporter 2] Now, of course,
the real reason Marty's here
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is to try and make
some of that precious money back.
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Now, I don't even know
what really sells a film.
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Apparently, being on television,
talking about the picture,
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uh, seeing that you're,
you know, friendly. [laughs]
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- Yeah, yeah, yeah. [laughs]
- [laughing]
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Gangs of New York opens next Friday.
Please welcome Martin Scorsese.
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[applause]
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{\an8}[Scorsese] Luckily, it did very well.
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{\an8}This was a big movie,
in terms of box office.
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And the critics, they loved it.
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But Gangs was something...
It was an obsession.
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And it was something that, uh,
even if I got it done,
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it's never done.
It just isn't done. It still isn't done.
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So, as far as I'm concerned,
you know what, let's...
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I got it out, as best I could
under these circumstances.
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Put it to rest, take a deep breath.
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And that's what I finally was able to do.
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Because at that point in time, in my life,
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I found a kind of steadiness,
and that was Helen.
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{\an8}Helen made contact with me,
before we ever met.
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She gave me this... sent me this book,
this prayer book.
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There's a letter in it.
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I didn't know her. It was sort of a fan.
And I was... I said, "Isn't that amazing?"
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Because a year later, we met, you know?
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And then a year after that,
we met even more.
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I met Helen working on a book
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about the great British director
Michael Powell.
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[Nicholas Pileggi] I knew Helen
when she was an editor at Random House.
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{\an8}Helen was one of the great
Random House editors.
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{\an8}...a young poet who lives in a society
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{\an8}that's been totally taken over
by money and technology.
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{\an8}And Helen is, you know,
worlds away from where Marty grew up.
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Her great, great, great grandfather signed
the Declaration of Independence.
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She's from that world.
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So, it was a different world
and it was sort of a fabulous union.
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- [woman] There you go, good girl.
- Hitchcock angle.
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[Scorsese] Out of that came Francesca
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on November 16th, 1999.
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She was quite early.
Like, I think five weeks early.
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- [Miller] Oh, my gosh.
- Yeah. Yeah.
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Well, we almost lost both of them, um...
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at four in the morning.
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[Francesca Scorsese] She had me
at, like, 52.
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It was a very difficult pregnancy.
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{\an8}And so I was, sort of like...
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{\an8}They called me their miracle baby.
[chuckles]
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What a big girl.
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What a big, grumpy girl.
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[Scorsese] Everything changed.
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[chuckles in home video]
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[Francesca] My dad was just
always, like, there for me.
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I remember him reading all of these books
to me when I was younger.
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He read me the Bible.
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Every night, we'd go up,
and read more and more.
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When he was younger,
I think that he was just very impulsive.
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He was just trying to find his way,
and I think he found that with my mom,
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but it took him a minute. [chuckles]
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[Scorsese] After going through
the purgatory of Gangs of New York,
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I said, "I want to make a movie now."
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I wanna do something and feel free
and make something spectacular, in a way.
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{\an8}Start 'em up!
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{\an8}And that's when the script
of Aviator landed in my lap.
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{\an8}Leo had read this Howard Hughes book.
We had a really good script.
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It was about filmmaking and the aviation,
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and a love story between
Katharine Hepburn and him.
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And I thought, "Wow, Hollywood
of the '20s and '30s, my God."
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The airplane sequences, action filmmaking.
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[straining] God damn it!
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[Scorsese] The Aviator would be like,
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if I could be a director
who just came in and did something,
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but it has all these elements that I like
and that I could identify with.
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Why the hell do they look so slow?
This isn't what it was like.
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They look like a bunch of goddamn models.
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- [Hughes sighs]
- [projector whirring]
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[Cate Blanchett] You could feel
an affinity
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that Marty had
with the character of Howard Hughes.
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[Hughes] Son of a bitch.
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{\an8}He deeply understood...
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{\an8}the scale of his ambition.
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{\an8}- [Hughes] Don't tell me it can't be done.
- The gyro forces are too much.
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You send these planes into barrel rolls,
they won't make it.
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It's the goddamn climax of the picture,
Frank. You make it work.
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[young DiCaprio] When he opened the script
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and there's the movie Hell's Angels
that Howard is directing,
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{\an8}it says, "Year three." I think he said,
"Oh, wow, this is my kind of guy."
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He would not stop
until he got everything perfect.
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[reporter] Howard Hughes is now editing
some 25 miles of film.
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He's as obsessive as Howard Hughes.
Marty is incredibly obsessive.
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Very meticulous.
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Not enough. Not enough.
These rivets have to be completely flush.
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I want every screw and joint countersunk.
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[DiCaprio] He has these storyboards
in his mind.
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Sometimes they're insanely elaborate
where there's a certain scene
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that he is attached to shooting
from every possible angle.
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I remember on The Aviator, flying
the Spruce Goose for the first time.
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Hand on lever, face.
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Then hand on lever, right eyeball.
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Hand on lever, left eyeball.
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[chuckles] Acute close-up on my eyeballs.
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Above the head, wide shot.
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And it'd just be "power
coming up" for two days.
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{\an8}To the point where
I almost felt like I was losing my mind.
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{\an8}[DiCaprio as Hughes]
Oh, God. I'm going crazy.
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{\an8}[Scorsese] Howard Hughes
is a megalomaniac,
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and also a genius at what he did.
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And he has this little flaw in him,
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which takes him down.
It was a lot to do with control.
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Right there, Bob.
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[Scorsese] And in controlling...
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You missed it. Right there.
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...how far do you go with control?
Can you control everything?
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[Miller] Do you get a sense that you might
make more movies with Leo yet?
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[Scorsese] Yeah, because we went through
a long journey on that one.
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You learn how to work with each other.
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{\an8}[DiCaprio] On Gangs of New York,
I just remember there was like,
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{\an8}"Okay, this is our first time
working together."
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At that age, I think I was really
possibly annoying with my questioning.
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I was asking about the ending,
what my character's motivation was.
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Or we can kind just go bump
instead of like a boom to the floor.
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There was this point and
this look in his eye where he's like,
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"Uh-huh. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Oh, okay. Okay. I got it. I got it."
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Then it took me a while
after Gangs to realize
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he's letting you
find these things for yourself.
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[Hughes] I...
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I like the desert.
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[DiCaprio] I remember one specific scene.
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My character, who has OCD,
is locked away in his screening room.
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{\an8}[Scorsese] People want to get him out
of the screening room
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{\an8}and they send Katharine Hepburn
to talk to him.
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Howard, unlock this door immediately.
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[breathing shakily]
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[DiCaprio] But he can't see her,
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he can't let her in, because of these
imaginary germs that exist.
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I can't, sweetie.
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[DiCaprio] I remember I'd done
ten, twenty, maybe thirty takes.
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[Scorsese] Something was dreadfully wrong.
I don't know what it was.
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[DiCaprio] He just had
this look on his face.
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He didn't want to tell me
what to do, but it was...
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He basically said, "Something's wrong
here, and this is not working."
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[Scorsese] He kept playing on,
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"Oh, please, I need you.
Oh, please, I'm suffering so much."
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"Do you want her to come in?" "No."
I said, "Then don't-- Then..." you know?
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I can hear you, Katie.
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I could always hear you,
even in the cockpit with the engines on.
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[laughs softly] Well,
that's because I'm so goddamn loud.
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[DiCaprio] And I realized, "Oh.
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Right, this is about becoming a man."
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[Hughes] I'm glad for you. Kate.
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Go away now. Would you do that?
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[DiCaprio] "I do care about you, I do love
you, but just not right now, sweetheart."
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Go away, just for now. I'll see you soon.
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[DiCaprio] I was like,
"Wow, that had never occurred to me."
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But it wasn't something
that he told me to do.
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It was something that
he knew instinctively was wrong.
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But he didn't want to tell me
how to play it.
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He wanted me to find it for myself.
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[Scorsese] It was a good shoot
and people really liked it.
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It was nominated for these...
for the Oscars.
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- We got 11 Academy Award nominations.
- [Jay Leno] Yeah, it doesn't beat that.
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- It's amazing.
- [applause]
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[Yorn] We got a gaudy number
of nominations.
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{\an8}And there was a light shined on
the fact that Marty never won.
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{\an8}[TV host] Martin Scorsese
is an American master
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{\an8}who has never won
an Oscar for Best Director.
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Taxi Driver, Raging Bull, Goodfellas,
the list goes on and on, and no Oscar.
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- I noticed that, yeah.
- [laughter]
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[Scorsese] Mean Streets,
it was completely ignored by Hollywood.
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Taxi Driver was even worse.
It was very, very nasty.
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Schrader wasn't nominated, nor was I.
Raging Bull was different.
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{\an8}[Yorn] Everyone thought Marty
was going to win for Raging Bull,
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{\an8}so that's why they had King Vidor
come out to give it to him,
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{\an8}because they knew
he was like a mentor to Marty.
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{\an8}- And the winner is Robert Redford...
- [applause]
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{\an8}[Winkler] He should have had
a bundle of Best Director awards.
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{\an8}He got quite a few nominations.
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{\an8}- Barry Levinson for Rain Man.
- [applause]
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{\an8}- Kevin Costner for Dances With Wolves.
- [applause]
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Gangs was wonderful because we had
11 nominations. We lost all of them.
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{\an8}- [Harrison Ford] ...to Roman Polanski.
- [applause]
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{\an8}[Scorsese] With Aviator, I thought, "Maybe
this time, they'll give me an Oscar."
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{\an8}[reporter] Are you looking forward
to the Oscars?
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Uh, I... You know,
looking forward to it, with trepidation.
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[young Scorsese] Let's face it,
this is a big picture.
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{\an8}It's the kind of picture that the Academy
hopefully will recognize.
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{\an8}There's no doubt about that.
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{\an8}If it were to come now, um, that would be
really something very special.
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{\an8}[Christopher Donnelly] It was the first
Academy Awards I'd ever gone to,
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{\an8}and I was sitting right behind him.
I remember it was, like...
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{\an8}Cate Blanchett wins.
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{\an8}- Cate Blanchett in The Aviator.
- [cheering and applause]
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{\an8}[Donnelly] Thelma Schoonmaker wins.
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{\an8}This is really... as much yours
as it is mine, Marty.
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[Donnelly] Costume wins, right?
Everything's winning, winning, winning.
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And the Oscar goes to...
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{\an8}- Clint Eastwood for Million Dollar Baby.
- [applause]
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{\an8}[interviewer] How badly do you want
to get an Oscar for director?
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Me, personally...
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The time has gone, I think.
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{\an8}[Thelma Schoonmaker] I think
it's partially because of violence,
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{\an8}but also because he's very much...
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{\an8}against hitting anything on the nose.
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He doesn't want to tell you what to think,
which a lot of movies do.
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A lot of movies tell you what to think.
He doesn't want to do that.
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{\an8}He wants you to feel it.
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{\an8}[Jodie Foster] Lack of moral closure
is his signature as a filmmaker.
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{\an8}He's not really interested in...
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{\an8}...telling you the moral of the story.
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[Steven Spielberg] His movies are about
the stuff, without analysis,
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{\an8}that we will never understand
about ourselves,
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{\an8}but he puts it out there.
He just says, "This is how I feel.
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{\an8}This is what I'm feeling right now."
And he puts these characters out there,
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{\an8}and we get to sort it out.
We get to make sense of it.
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{\an8}[Scorsese] It's like,
I remember with New York, New York
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{\an8}when I was doing the ending,
I had them walk away from each other.
445
00:23:25,072 --> 00:23:26,073
George Lucas said,
446
00:23:26,156 --> 00:23:29,826
"There's another $10 million
at the box office if they're together."
447
00:23:29,910 --> 00:23:31,078
He's right.
448
00:23:31,787 --> 00:23:33,121
He's dead right.
449
00:23:33,622 --> 00:23:38,043
But I can't... say that, "I'll give you
a happy ending." I don't know.
450
00:23:39,127 --> 00:23:42,172
And so, you know, Hollywood,
I don't belong there.
451
00:23:42,256 --> 00:23:44,091
I don't have that mindset.
452
00:23:44,883 --> 00:23:48,387
As much as I admire it, there's so much
a part of me that wanted to be that,
453
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:51,974
but I don't come from that sort of thing.
I don't know what the hell I... you know.
454
00:23:52,057 --> 00:23:53,267
I do what I do.
455
00:23:53,350 --> 00:23:55,269
{\an8}[Scorsese on set] Yeah, go ahead, anytime.
456
00:23:55,644 --> 00:23:57,312
{\an8}[crew] Ready and action.
457
00:23:57,729 --> 00:23:59,356
[Scorsese on set] That's good, kids.
That's very good, kids.
458
00:23:59,439 --> 00:24:00,274
Okay.
459
00:24:00,941 --> 00:24:03,610
- [explosion]
- [kids shouting]
460
00:24:04,653 --> 00:24:06,905
That's good, that's good.
All right, good, okay.
461
00:24:07,406 --> 00:24:09,616
[Scorsese] I got this script,
and it really got me.
462
00:24:09,700 --> 00:24:11,827
It was this crazy gangster thing,
The Departed.
463
00:24:11,910 --> 00:24:15,414
{\an8}And it's about, um... It's about informers
464
00:24:15,497 --> 00:24:21,628
{\an8}based in the world of Boston police
and Boston underworld.
465
00:24:21,712 --> 00:24:24,923
{\an8}- Jack Nicholson plays the head gangster.
- [Jonas Mekas] Mm-hmm.
466
00:24:25,424 --> 00:24:30,429
And it's, uh... I guess it's like
the other movies I've made. [laughs]
467
00:24:31,138 --> 00:24:34,558
{\an8}And Jack, I knew him over the years,
but we never worked together.
468
00:24:34,641 --> 00:24:38,103
{\an8}When I gave him the script,
uh, he called me back, he said...
469
00:24:38,187 --> 00:24:40,856
First thing he said was,
"Give me something to play."
470
00:24:41,398 --> 00:24:44,359
{\an8}And I realized, of course,
the character, the way it was written
471
00:24:44,443 --> 00:24:46,904
{\an8}was pretty much, "I'm the boss."
472
00:24:46,987 --> 00:24:49,281
{\an8}First thing it would say,
"Oh, he'd be elegantly dressed."
473
00:24:49,364 --> 00:24:51,283
Well, not. Let's not go there.
474
00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:52,993
Let's make him bearish.
475
00:24:53,076 --> 00:24:58,207
A man could look at anything
and make somethin' out of it.
476
00:24:58,290 --> 00:25:00,959
[Scorsese] Departed has a lot to do
with moral conflicts,
477
00:25:01,043 --> 00:25:03,128
and sense of trust and who you can trust.
478
00:25:03,212 --> 00:25:08,509
Because by that point, we had gone
to war on the basis of trumped up charges.
479
00:25:09,134 --> 00:25:12,971
{\an8}The Iraqi regime
has plotted to develop anthrax...
480
00:25:13,055 --> 00:25:15,015
[Scorsese] I call it a moral ground zero.
481
00:25:15,098 --> 00:25:16,308
...and nuclear weapons.
482
00:25:16,391 --> 00:25:20,604
And Departed reflects that.
Everybody's informing on each other.
483
00:25:20,687 --> 00:25:23,899
He is giving information to the FBI.
484
00:25:23,982 --> 00:25:26,902
Of course I talked to the FBI. [laughs]
485
00:25:27,319 --> 00:25:28,529
Do they know who I am?
486
00:25:28,946 --> 00:25:32,032
Casino, I think they have enough morality
to know they're immoral.
487
00:25:32,991 --> 00:25:34,326
In Departed...
488
00:25:35,911 --> 00:25:37,412
it's even beyond amoral.
489
00:25:40,707 --> 00:25:42,835
[Yorn] We had the test screening
in Chicago.
490
00:25:42,918 --> 00:25:44,878
It couldn't have gone better.
It was like a rock concert.
491
00:25:44,962 --> 00:25:47,965
Laughing in the right places,
screaming in the right places.
492
00:25:48,048 --> 00:25:49,216
[heavy thud, splatter]
493
00:25:51,385 --> 00:25:55,472
It was one of the great experiences
of my life, that one night.
494
00:25:57,140 --> 00:25:59,393
But then the studio came in.
They didn't like it.
495
00:26:00,394 --> 00:26:02,604
They really wanted one of them to live.
496
00:26:03,730 --> 00:26:04,606
Yeah.
497
00:26:04,690 --> 00:26:08,026
They felt that Billy,
Leo's character, should live.
498
00:26:08,110 --> 00:26:10,195
Marty was adamant that could not happen.
499
00:26:10,279 --> 00:26:13,657
I said, "Why would they want one to live?"
He said, "They have a franchise."
500
00:26:13,740 --> 00:26:16,201
That didn't go well. That didn't go well.
501
00:26:16,285 --> 00:26:17,160
{\an8}Marty just said...
502
00:26:18,245 --> 00:26:22,416
{\an8}..."You don't want them to die at the end.
Well, you know, when I read this script,
503
00:26:22,499 --> 00:26:26,378
that's what I really loved most about it.
They all die. I thought that was great.
504
00:26:26,461 --> 00:26:30,382
And I thought, 'I want to make
this movie.' Me, Marty, Marty Scorsese.
505
00:26:30,465 --> 00:26:33,594
Are you sure that you want
Marty Scorsese to make this movie?"
506
00:26:33,677 --> 00:26:38,515
Everybody was laughing by that time.
Point won, and he got his ending.
507
00:26:39,183 --> 00:26:40,893
Just fucking kill me.
508
00:26:42,269 --> 00:26:44,354
[Scorsese] It isn't like,
"Oh, we won. We beat you."
509
00:26:44,438 --> 00:26:46,732
It wasn't that. I was just sad.
510
00:26:47,441 --> 00:26:48,609
I am killing you.
511
00:26:48,692 --> 00:26:51,528
[Scorsese] The studio just
didn't like the picture at all.
512
00:26:52,487 --> 00:26:55,073
They wanted the franchise.
I get it. I get it. I get it.
513
00:26:56,658 --> 00:26:59,494
And I couldn't give it to them,
and I wouldn't give it to them
514
00:26:59,578 --> 00:27:02,456
and they really were mad at me,
and I felt terrible about all that.
515
00:27:02,539 --> 00:27:05,834
{\an8}I realized, "Look, there's no way
I can make films with studios anymore."
516
00:27:06,543 --> 00:27:09,087
{\an8}But we were nominated for the Oscars.
517
00:27:10,339 --> 00:27:14,927
I was surprised because
it's a tough, crazy, nasty movie.
518
00:27:15,886 --> 00:27:19,181
{\an8}The three of us are here because
we know what a great feeling it is
519
00:27:19,264 --> 00:27:21,391
{\an8}to win an Academy Award for directing.
520
00:27:21,892 --> 00:27:25,270
{\an8}[Yorn] Oscar night of The Departed,
you know...
521
00:27:25,354 --> 00:27:27,731
You have Francis and
Steven and George Lucas,
522
00:27:27,814 --> 00:27:30,984
who he grew up with in the business,
presenting the award.
523
00:27:31,068 --> 00:27:32,110
I'm like, "What's going on?"
524
00:27:32,194 --> 00:27:33,904
And the Oscar goes to...
525
00:27:34,738 --> 00:27:37,533
- Martin Scorsese.
- [cheering and applause]
526
00:27:38,617 --> 00:27:41,870
[whistling and cheering]
527
00:27:45,666 --> 00:27:48,293
[whistling and cheering continues]
528
00:27:52,256 --> 00:27:53,924
- Thank you!
- [cheering]
529
00:27:56,552 --> 00:27:57,761
Thank you.
530
00:27:59,346 --> 00:28:01,223
- Thank you. Thank you.
- [applause continues]
531
00:28:01,306 --> 00:28:04,601
Thank you. Please. Please.
Thank you. Thank you.
532
00:28:05,060 --> 00:28:08,605
- Could you double-check the envelope?
- [audience laughs]
533
00:28:08,689 --> 00:28:09,773
[laughs] Thank you, so--
534
00:28:09,857 --> 00:28:13,902
I mean, I'm overwhelmed, um,
with this honor with the Academy...
535
00:28:14,486 --> 00:28:18,782
[Scorsese] I was totally surprised
by the acceptance of that particular film.
536
00:28:18,866 --> 00:28:20,742
But the problem was I kept showing up.
537
00:28:21,702 --> 00:28:23,829
And... Where's the wood around here?
538
00:28:23,912 --> 00:28:25,998
They kept looking around saying,
"He's here again. What the--?"
539
00:28:26,081 --> 00:28:28,458
So many people over the years have
been wishing this for me.
540
00:28:28,542 --> 00:28:31,044
Strangers, you know, I go walking
in the street, people say something.
541
00:28:31,128 --> 00:28:35,090
I go in a doctor's office, whatever,
elevators, people saying,
542
00:28:35,174 --> 00:28:37,759
"You should win."
I go for an X-ray, "You should win one."
543
00:28:37,843 --> 00:28:39,511
- [audience laughs]
- And, um... I'm saying thank you.
544
00:28:39,595 --> 00:28:43,140
[Scorsese] I don't know what happened,
quite honestly. I really don't know.
545
00:28:43,223 --> 00:28:44,892
Uh, but it happened.
546
00:28:44,975 --> 00:28:47,936
[reporter] When your name was called,
547
00:28:48,020 --> 00:28:52,482
was... is the word "finally"
what popped into your mind?
548
00:28:52,566 --> 00:28:53,859
It's a good question.
549
00:28:53,942 --> 00:28:56,445
In a funny way, I thank God
I hadn't received it earlier
550
00:28:56,528 --> 00:29:01,408
because I think my own weakness of hubris
would've come into-- kicked in.
551
00:29:01,491 --> 00:29:04,786
I don't know if I was strong enough
if I had gotten it before, quite honestly.
552
00:29:04,870 --> 00:29:06,580
You know, and I'm glad
that it went this way.
553
00:29:06,663 --> 00:29:10,000
And when I saw that smile on his face,
Steven's face,
554
00:29:10,083 --> 00:29:13,629
I said, "Oh, you know...
[laughs] Something's up."
555
00:29:13,712 --> 00:29:18,050
You know, but I'm glad, I'm glad
it's taken this long. It's been worth it.
556
00:29:18,675 --> 00:29:20,260
[people shouting]
557
00:29:20,344 --> 00:29:23,430
[Cocks] Formally, with The Departed,
558
00:29:23,514 --> 00:29:27,184
the movie business,
in a sense, came to him.
559
00:29:29,144 --> 00:29:31,980
He's making these movies
that keep him going,
560
00:29:32,064 --> 00:29:35,442
and Leo has...
561
00:29:35,526 --> 00:29:41,406
this lucky confluence
of talent and commercial viability
562
00:29:41,490 --> 00:29:45,369
that gave Marty a commercial foothold
563
00:29:46,703 --> 00:29:48,121
that he'd never really had.
564
00:29:48,205 --> 00:29:49,498
[indistinct chatter]
565
00:29:49,581 --> 00:29:53,585
[Cocks] It's a rare thing, to have
somebody who's this popular and this good.
566
00:29:53,669 --> 00:29:55,754
- [laughs]
- You could possibly say...
567
00:29:55,838 --> 00:29:57,673
[indistinct dialogue]
568
00:29:58,090 --> 00:30:01,927
He wasn't afraid. He just kept going
into these areas, you know?
569
00:30:02,803 --> 00:30:04,972
And he had no limit that way.
570
00:30:05,889 --> 00:30:11,103
The emotional nature of what developed
in Departed, that was a key.
571
00:30:11,186 --> 00:30:15,107
And having done that, we decided we wanted
to do one more picture together.
572
00:30:17,818 --> 00:30:20,529
{\an8}[DiCaprio] It was a tough screenplay
to crack
573
00:30:20,612 --> 00:30:24,116
because it was existential
and it had to do with dreams.
574
00:30:24,199 --> 00:30:25,617
{\an8}[woman] It's okay.
575
00:30:29,329 --> 00:30:31,248
{\an8}[DiCaprio] And one's own nightmares
576
00:30:31,331 --> 00:30:34,209
{\an8}entering the mind of somebody
that was clinically insane,
577
00:30:34,293 --> 00:30:35,919
but the audience didn't know it.
578
00:30:37,004 --> 00:30:41,800
It was this insane collage
of different things that were happening
579
00:30:41,884 --> 00:30:43,927
and different characters
coming in and out.
580
00:30:44,011 --> 00:30:45,596
Tell me how they got you here.
581
00:30:45,679 --> 00:30:47,514
[voice echoing] They knew!
582
00:30:47,598 --> 00:30:49,016
[quietly] Don't you get it?
583
00:30:49,099 --> 00:30:52,394
Everything you were up to,
your whole plan.
584
00:30:52,477 --> 00:30:56,481
This is a game. All of this... is for you.
585
00:30:57,024 --> 00:30:58,859
You're not investigating anything.
586
00:30:59,318 --> 00:31:01,737
You're a fucking rat in a maze.
587
00:31:02,779 --> 00:31:04,990
[Scorsese] It was
a very disturbing movie to make.
588
00:31:05,073 --> 00:31:07,117
We didn't know whether we were telling...
589
00:31:07,201 --> 00:31:10,162
the truth of the story,
or was it imagination?
590
00:31:10,245 --> 00:31:11,538
Was it a fantasy?
591
00:31:11,622 --> 00:31:13,957
Was it an illusion of his?
We didn't know anymore.
592
00:31:15,459 --> 00:31:18,086
As the actors went through their dialogue
and we realized,
593
00:31:18,170 --> 00:31:20,839
"Wait a minute, this line can mean
three different things."
594
00:31:22,674 --> 00:31:24,051
It just made me...
595
00:31:24,510 --> 00:31:26,720
I had a... [laughs]
596
00:31:26,803 --> 00:31:29,848
I had a kind of...
um, prolonged panic attack.
597
00:31:29,932 --> 00:31:31,558
[heavy clanking]
598
00:31:31,642 --> 00:31:32,559
Come on.
599
00:31:33,393 --> 00:31:37,523
[Scorsese] I could not take a shirt
off a hanger to put it on.
600
00:31:37,606 --> 00:31:40,317
I'd start to feel
as if I was gonna get a heart attack.
601
00:31:41,026 --> 00:31:42,945
And then I sat down
and you feel you're gonna--
602
00:31:43,028 --> 00:31:44,780
You can't breathe and you can't--
603
00:31:45,614 --> 00:31:46,990
And it would happen...
604
00:31:48,283 --> 00:31:49,409
um...
605
00:31:50,536 --> 00:31:55,123
oh, many times during the day,
and you weren't able to work.
606
00:31:56,667 --> 00:32:03,090
It was like a semi-breakdown of some kind
because of the world it put me in.
607
00:32:03,632 --> 00:32:05,259
I wanted to get out of there.
608
00:32:07,177 --> 00:32:10,889
[DiCaprio] I do remember his mood
shifting dramatically.
609
00:32:10,973 --> 00:32:11,932
It was almost
610
00:32:12,015 --> 00:32:15,394
like one of those Peanuts characters
where they have a rain cloud over them.
611
00:32:15,477 --> 00:32:19,106
I understand it very well. It's a very
isolating experience making a movie.
612
00:32:19,189 --> 00:32:21,400
You're in your own head,
613
00:32:21,483 --> 00:32:26,947
thinking about, you know,
one single project, day in and day out.
614
00:32:27,531 --> 00:32:30,617
[Schoonmaker] That's why he's such
a good director. Because he's living it.
615
00:32:30,701 --> 00:32:35,330
He's feeling the pain,
and, um... very intensely.
616
00:32:36,707 --> 00:32:40,961
[Josh Safdie] You can tell that he gets
so wrapped up in these movies.
617
00:32:41,044 --> 00:32:44,506
{\an8}You know, you can see he's almost like
a method director in that regard.
618
00:32:45,340 --> 00:32:48,760
I've seen pictures of him
on the set of Goodfellas or Casino
619
00:32:48,844 --> 00:32:51,138
where he's dressed up like a gangster.
620
00:32:51,805 --> 00:32:54,391
You know, I've seen pictures of him
on the set of Alice,
621
00:32:54,474 --> 00:32:57,144
and he's dressed in, like, a cowboy shirt.
622
00:32:57,853 --> 00:32:59,980
You see that in almost every movie.
623
00:33:01,523 --> 00:33:04,985
He's aligning himself with the work,
and it's dangerous to do that.
624
00:33:05,068 --> 00:33:06,695
It's totally dangerous.
625
00:33:07,946 --> 00:33:11,116
[Scorsese] When we did Shutter,
that one went deeper for some reason.
626
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:14,578
I don't know if it's a good or bad movie.
I'm just saying it went deeper.
627
00:33:14,661 --> 00:33:19,291
And maybe... things in my personal life
were working a certain way, too.
628
00:33:19,374 --> 00:33:20,292
Uh...
629
00:33:20,375 --> 00:33:22,002
You know, people are sick.
630
00:33:22,085 --> 00:33:24,880
Your child is growing.
You're getting older.
631
00:33:24,963 --> 00:33:29,676
There's responsibilities now of a certain
kind that you hadn't thought about.
632
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:32,888
Um, all of this coming together
at that--
633
00:33:34,681 --> 00:33:35,891
You know...
634
00:33:35,974 --> 00:33:39,186
A fear takes over and grabs at you.
635
00:33:39,269 --> 00:33:41,730
And so that really did something.
636
00:33:41,813 --> 00:33:43,440
Finally, got out of it.
637
00:33:44,066 --> 00:33:45,192
I finally got out of it.
638
00:33:45,275 --> 00:33:47,861
- [Miller] How did you get out of it?
- We finished it.
639
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:50,906
[DiCaprio] Working with him
on a number of different films,
640
00:33:50,989 --> 00:33:52,783
I don't take any of it personally.
641
00:33:53,408 --> 00:33:55,035
But yeah, he was in, uh...
642
00:33:55,744 --> 00:33:58,247
He was in the worst mood
doing that movie,
643
00:33:58,330 --> 00:34:00,749
and then the best mood
doing Wolf of Wall Street.
644
00:34:01,166 --> 00:34:04,086
{\an8}[all] One, two...
645
00:34:04,503 --> 00:34:06,338
{\an8}...three.
646
00:34:06,421 --> 00:34:08,422
[narrating] My name is Jordan Belfort.
647
00:34:08,507 --> 00:34:09,842
Not him.
648
00:34:09,925 --> 00:34:11,051
Me. That's right.
649
00:34:11,134 --> 00:34:13,971
[DiCaprio] For the first time,
we were given the opportunity
650
00:34:14,054 --> 00:34:18,433
to do a large-scale film
about debauchery and excess.
651
00:34:18,851 --> 00:34:21,978
This time period, the late eighties,
early nineties, Wall Street,
652
00:34:22,062 --> 00:34:25,274
it was like a Roman Empire gone awry.
653
00:34:25,357 --> 00:34:28,610
It was almost like
a modern-day Caligula.
654
00:34:28,694 --> 00:34:30,737
It's about these types of people
655
00:34:30,821 --> 00:34:35,576
that are completely focused
on capitalism and making more money.
656
00:34:36,409 --> 00:34:38,704
[Belfort] Money doesn't just buy you
a better life,
657
00:34:38,786 --> 00:34:41,164
better food, better cars, better pussy.
658
00:34:41,248 --> 00:34:43,417
It also makes you a better person.
659
00:34:43,958 --> 00:34:46,170
[Scorsese] And it was real, a real person.
660
00:34:47,588 --> 00:34:49,214
He's showing you his house
661
00:34:49,297 --> 00:34:52,926
and he comes out, he has
a glass of orange juice or whatever.
662
00:34:53,010 --> 00:34:57,097
I take Quaaludes
10 to 15 times a day for my "back pain".
663
00:34:57,181 --> 00:34:59,892
[Scorsese] He asked, "What do I do
with the orange juice?"
664
00:34:59,975 --> 00:35:01,977
- I said, "Toss it away."
- [Miller laughs]
665
00:35:02,978 --> 00:35:04,855
"You don't care about the orange juice."
666
00:35:05,772 --> 00:35:07,524
[Yorn] We pitched it to every studio.
667
00:35:08,942 --> 00:35:11,987
{\an8}No one could agree on the version
that Leo and Marty wanted to make.
668
00:35:12,070 --> 00:35:13,947
They were passing on it,
for whatever reason.
669
00:35:14,031 --> 00:35:15,782
I think it had something to do with the...
670
00:35:16,950 --> 00:35:19,453
you know, some of the content,
671
00:35:19,536 --> 00:35:22,539
but, uh, everyone looked at us like
we were crazy.
672
00:35:22,623 --> 00:35:26,418
[Scorsese] But Leo was able
to get it financed independently.
673
00:35:26,502 --> 00:35:28,921
And so we were unencumbered...
674
00:35:30,339 --> 00:35:33,967
by major studio issues, uh,
675
00:35:34,051 --> 00:35:38,138
executives that just don't like what
you're doing, from the very beginning.
676
00:35:38,222 --> 00:35:41,391
[DiCaprio] I said, "They're giving us
this opportunity to do whatever we want.
677
00:35:41,475 --> 00:35:44,269
Let's go for it."
He's like, "Absolutely, kid. Let's do it.
678
00:35:44,353 --> 00:35:46,021
Let's roll the dice."
679
00:35:46,104 --> 00:35:48,232
- [Miller] Can you give one example?
- I mean...
680
00:35:48,315 --> 00:35:50,275
Yeah, I mean, the opening sequence.
681
00:35:50,359 --> 00:35:54,154
It's, uh, you know...
It's a woman's buttocks and...
682
00:35:54,238 --> 00:35:55,989
I have cocaine and I'm...
683
00:35:56,949 --> 00:36:00,077
- Oh, yeah. You like it?
- Yeah.
684
00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:05,082
We wanted to push the boundaries almost
to the point of being absurd at times.
685
00:36:05,165 --> 00:36:06,542
[Margot Robbie] You would come into work
686
00:36:06,625 --> 00:36:07,835
and there would be
a monkey on roller skates
687
00:36:07,918 --> 00:36:12,130
{\an8}or there would be a naked marching band,
just insanity all around you.
688
00:36:12,214 --> 00:36:15,300
It was crazy and chaotic and
fun and debaucherous.
689
00:36:15,384 --> 00:36:17,135
- [high-pitched bark]
- Oh, God.
690
00:36:17,219 --> 00:36:18,387
[woman] Fuck off, Rocky.
691
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:20,180
Definitely amongst the cast,
the feeling of, like,
692
00:36:20,264 --> 00:36:21,807
everyone was trying to one-up each other.
693
00:36:21,890 --> 00:36:25,185
You know, someone would be like, "I heard
Jonah just ate a goldfish in his scene."
694
00:36:25,269 --> 00:36:27,604
[men groaning and gagging]
695
00:36:27,688 --> 00:36:30,065
[Robbie] Then you'd see someone
be like, "He did?"
696
00:36:30,148 --> 00:36:33,026
You could see their brain ticking over.
"I'm gonna do something crazier."
697
00:36:33,110 --> 00:36:35,529
[men chanting] Scalp! Scalp! Scalp!
698
00:36:35,988 --> 00:36:39,074
{\an8}It was that sense of anything goes.
699
00:36:39,157 --> 00:36:41,368
Once, Leo comes in and he tells Marty,
700
00:36:41,451 --> 00:36:44,788
"Hey, remember one time
Jordan Belfort told me
701
00:36:44,872 --> 00:36:47,875
a prostitute stuck a candle up his ass."
702
00:36:47,958 --> 00:36:50,919
And I'm like, "Oh, that's funny.
Very funny. Wow. Yeah."
703
00:36:51,003 --> 00:36:54,131
And then I realize
he's actually proposing to do this.
704
00:36:56,008 --> 00:37:00,762
There's Leo and I'm lining up a shot
of Leo's butt with a candle. [laughs]
705
00:37:01,221 --> 00:37:03,515
Owie, owie, ah!
706
00:37:03,599 --> 00:37:06,226
All you'd hear is this... [cackles loudly]
707
00:37:06,310 --> 00:37:08,687
...off camera, all day long.
708
00:37:08,770 --> 00:37:12,024
- [Scorsese cackles]
- Wait, where are you eating sushi?
709
00:37:12,107 --> 00:37:14,318
[Robbie] He was 70 when we did
Wolf of Wall Street,
710
00:37:14,401 --> 00:37:17,446
and we were doing
sometimes, like, 20-hour days.
711
00:37:17,529 --> 00:37:22,409
He just goes and goes and goes,
and he's laughing, and he's so free.
712
00:37:23,535 --> 00:37:26,079
If you're passionate about a way
to play a scene
713
00:37:26,163 --> 00:37:29,291
or a different direction
in which the movie should go.
714
00:37:29,374 --> 00:37:31,543
I'm like,
"Let's change this entire scene."
715
00:37:31,627 --> 00:37:33,712
He's like, "Okay, let's give it a try."
716
00:37:33,795 --> 00:37:37,049
[Robbie] He and Leo are just
incredible collaborators,
717
00:37:37,132 --> 00:37:39,384
but I never felt excluded from it.
718
00:37:39,468 --> 00:37:42,846
I remember this big sequence,
we, like, rewrote it the night before.
719
00:37:42,930 --> 00:37:46,141
Leo, Marty and me went into a room
and, um...
720
00:37:46,225 --> 00:37:48,769
you know, like,
"Oh, we're shooting that scene tomorrow
721
00:37:48,852 --> 00:37:51,855
where my character comes in
and asks for a divorce and, like...
722
00:37:51,939 --> 00:37:55,234
it feels a bit... It doesn't feel right
now, that she just comes in,
723
00:37:55,317 --> 00:37:57,778
asks for a divorce and
then disappears from the movie."
724
00:37:57,861 --> 00:38:00,447
We pulled the books out and
all that kind of stuff. And...
725
00:38:00,531 --> 00:38:03,825
"Okay, what if this happened?"
We did that till 3:00 in the morning.
726
00:38:03,909 --> 00:38:06,161
What happened
in the script originally, I think,
727
00:38:06,245 --> 00:38:09,164
I came in, put down divorce papers
and said, "I want a divorce."
728
00:38:09,248 --> 00:38:12,000
And then that was kind of it.
And what it ended up being
729
00:38:12,084 --> 00:38:14,378
is that, uh, we...
730
00:38:15,462 --> 00:38:19,258
Oh, God. Oh-oh-oh, God.
731
00:38:19,341 --> 00:38:22,010
Oh, God. [exhales vocally]
732
00:38:22,094 --> 00:38:23,846
[Robbie] Jordan and Naomi are on the bed.
733
00:38:23,929 --> 00:38:27,099
They end up having this, like,
really strange sex.
734
00:38:27,182 --> 00:38:30,060
[laughs] Oh, baby.
735
00:38:30,143 --> 00:38:33,564
[laughing] That was so fucking great.
Oh, God.
736
00:38:33,647 --> 00:38:36,275
[Robbie] They finish,
and she's just, like, hating him.
737
00:38:36,358 --> 00:38:37,901
That was the last time.
738
00:38:38,902 --> 00:38:40,362
What do you mean, baby?
739
00:38:40,988 --> 00:38:43,615
I mean, that was the last time
we ever have sex. I'm...
740
00:38:44,533 --> 00:38:46,952
She's like, "I want a divorce."
And he's like, "What?"
741
00:38:47,035 --> 00:38:48,704
And they get into a massive fight.
742
00:38:48,787 --> 00:38:51,498
I got news for you.
You're not fucking taking my children...
743
00:38:51,582 --> 00:38:54,042
- Yes, I am, Jordan.
- ...you vicious fucking cunt.
744
00:38:54,126 --> 00:38:55,627
Fuck you, you fucking bitch!
745
00:38:55,711 --> 00:39:01,341
We were not afraid to do certain things
in that film, including domestic violence.
746
00:39:02,092 --> 00:39:04,094
Which everyone said, "Don't do it."
747
00:39:04,178 --> 00:39:06,430
No, we're gonna go all the way
with this guy.
748
00:39:06,513 --> 00:39:09,308
It's what happens.
She gets in the way, he punches her.
749
00:39:09,391 --> 00:39:11,143
Don't you fucking touch me!
750
00:39:11,226 --> 00:39:12,853
[door bangs]
751
00:39:12,936 --> 00:39:16,064
Sweetheart, you're coming on a trip
with Daddy, all right?
752
00:39:16,148 --> 00:39:19,484
[Robbie] He's now in a coke rage.
He runs out, goes to grab our daughter.
753
00:39:19,568 --> 00:39:21,862
Grabs her, I'm chasing after.
754
00:39:21,945 --> 00:39:23,071
[Naomi] Get the fuck--
755
00:39:23,155 --> 00:39:24,990
[Robbie] I'm banging down the door...
756
00:39:25,741 --> 00:39:27,159
and then he starts the car.
757
00:39:28,869 --> 00:39:30,954
I get a crowbar, smash that.
758
00:39:34,499 --> 00:39:35,834
[engine revving loudly]
759
00:39:37,544 --> 00:39:39,213
- [handbrake grinds]
- [tires screech]
760
00:39:39,630 --> 00:39:40,672
[woman] Oh, my.
761
00:39:40,756 --> 00:39:42,799
- [Belfort] Oh!
- Oh, my. Help. Get the baby.
762
00:39:42,883 --> 00:39:44,051
Skylar!
763
00:39:44,134 --> 00:39:45,969
[Robbie] And so, yeah, slightly different
764
00:39:46,053 --> 00:39:48,889
[laughing] than what it was originally
gonna be.
765
00:39:48,972 --> 00:39:51,183
And that was the night before.
766
00:39:51,266 --> 00:39:54,645
[laughs] It's just... Yeah, it was crazy.
767
00:39:55,229 --> 00:39:57,356
[woman] Is she all right?
Is she all right?
768
00:39:57,439 --> 00:40:00,067
[DiCaprio] The way he was able
to portray these characters
769
00:40:00,150 --> 00:40:03,654
and be so honest about
the dark side of the human condition.
770
00:40:05,155 --> 00:40:08,450
Marty thinks that there's
those parts to all of us.
771
00:40:09,743 --> 00:40:11,745
And I don't think he judges them.
772
00:40:12,746 --> 00:40:17,251
And he has no fear when it comes
to exploring that dark side.
773
00:40:25,217 --> 00:40:28,595
It's meant to be provocative. I'm sorry,
it just is. It's meant to be provocative.
774
00:40:28,679 --> 00:40:31,390
Because all we care about
is getting fucking rich.
775
00:40:31,473 --> 00:40:35,644
[Scorsese] Because that's who we are.
That is who we really could be.
776
00:40:35,727 --> 00:40:38,063
We have to accept
that part of human nature
777
00:40:38,146 --> 00:40:41,483
is to take what the other person has
instead of sharing.
778
00:40:41,567 --> 00:40:46,446
Name of the game, move the money from
your client's pocket into your pocket.
779
00:40:46,530 --> 00:40:49,491
Right. But if you can make
the clients money at the same time,
780
00:40:49,575 --> 00:40:51,910
it's advantageous to everyone. Correct?
781
00:40:52,536 --> 00:40:53,495
No.
782
00:40:53,579 --> 00:40:57,291
[Scorsese] The problem is the glamour
of being able to do anything you want
783
00:40:57,374 --> 00:40:59,751
because you know
how to screw people over for money.
784
00:40:59,835 --> 00:41:01,211
[howls]
785
00:41:02,796 --> 00:41:05,299
[Scorsese] But it's not about money.
It's not about sex.
786
00:41:06,008 --> 00:41:10,095
And it isn't about what the woman wants.
It's what the man wants and his power.
787
00:41:10,637 --> 00:41:12,598
It's about power. It's always about power.
788
00:41:15,809 --> 00:41:18,645
[Mark Harris] The Wolf of Wall Street
controversy happened
789
00:41:18,729 --> 00:41:21,106
in the social media era.
790
00:41:21,190 --> 00:41:24,234
It was argued out minute by minute online.
791
00:41:24,318 --> 00:41:27,112
{\an8}But by the time the movie came out
792
00:41:27,196 --> 00:41:30,866
{\an8}and played its run,
a lot of people went.
793
00:41:30,949 --> 00:41:33,410
["Stoned and Starving"
by Parquet Courts playing]
794
00:41:33,493 --> 00:41:36,705
There's such an indecency
about the way they behaved about money
795
00:41:36,788 --> 00:41:38,207
and what they've done to people.
796
00:41:38,290 --> 00:41:41,168
The film should be that way.
It should reflect that state of mind.
797
00:41:41,251 --> 00:41:42,628
- We wanted to make...
- Leo! Leo!
798
00:41:42,711 --> 00:41:44,296
- ...make a portrait of, uh...
- Leo! Leo!
799
00:41:44,379 --> 00:41:45,714
...you know, our culture today.
800
00:41:47,424 --> 00:41:49,635
[Miller] But Wolf of Wall Street
was a huge hit.
801
00:41:49,718 --> 00:41:51,345
[Scorsese] Yes, it was. Yeah.
802
00:41:51,428 --> 00:41:55,516
{\an8}Somehow we understood
how screwed up everything was.
803
00:41:56,141 --> 00:41:58,101
We were just watching this unfold.
804
00:41:58,185 --> 00:42:04,024
A lot of these people who decimated our
economy ultimately got bonuses, you know.
805
00:42:04,107 --> 00:42:07,069
Into the fucking stratosphere!
806
00:42:07,152 --> 00:42:10,322
[Yorn] Shortly after it came out,
Leo and I had to go to Paris.
807
00:42:10,405 --> 00:42:13,742
These young kids are walking by him
doing the McConaughey.
808
00:42:15,536 --> 00:42:16,995
We were so blown away.
809
00:42:17,079 --> 00:42:21,083
That movie did so well in France.
It was Leo's biggest movie ever in France.
810
00:42:21,166 --> 00:42:23,085
{\an8}So think about that. Bigger than Titanic
811
00:42:23,168 --> 00:42:26,922
{\an8}and bigger than Inception,
which were massive commercial movies.
812
00:42:27,005 --> 00:42:30,133
{\an8}To this day, box office-wise,
it's Marty's most successful movie.
813
00:42:30,801 --> 00:42:33,178
[Francesca] Wolf of Wall Street
is something...
814
00:42:33,262 --> 00:42:37,015
{\an8}like, people in my generation
will literally have no idea who he is,
815
00:42:37,099 --> 00:42:39,101
{\an8}but if you're, like,
"He directed Wolf of Wall Street."
816
00:42:39,184 --> 00:42:41,311
{\an8}"Oh, he's the director
of Wolf of Wall Street."
817
00:42:41,395 --> 00:42:44,731
Like, that sort of thing.
Then was when it got a bit crazier.
818
00:42:44,815 --> 00:42:46,441
{\an8}[Jon Stewart] Please welcome
Martin Scorsese.
819
00:42:46,525 --> 00:42:48,735
{\an8}[audience cheering, whistling]
820
00:42:49,653 --> 00:42:51,655
{\an8}[cheering continues]
821
00:42:52,197 --> 00:42:53,866
{\an8}- Wow.
- [Stewart] Enjoy yourself.
822
00:42:54,825 --> 00:42:57,661
{\an8}- [cheering continues]
- [inaudible dialogue]
823
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:03,500
[Francesca] He doesn't like
to get noticed, usually.
824
00:43:03,584 --> 00:43:07,588
Like, we stopped going out to dinners
'cause people would just come up to us
825
00:43:07,671 --> 00:43:09,089
in the middle of dinner.
826
00:43:09,173 --> 00:43:11,425
But there was one time
when he came out with me
827
00:43:11,508 --> 00:43:14,553
and we just walked across the street
and got pizza
828
00:43:14,636 --> 00:43:18,599
and I've never forgotten it,
and it was the highlight of my life.
829
00:43:18,682 --> 00:43:21,185
And I will always remember
just sitting there.
830
00:43:21,268 --> 00:43:24,021
Eating our pizza. Nobody bothered us.
831
00:43:24,104 --> 00:43:27,941
And I took a picture of him
with his little hat and it was great.
832
00:43:29,026 --> 00:43:30,819
But yeah, there was really no privacy,
833
00:43:30,903 --> 00:43:35,073
and so, I think sort of like home
or the office or work.
834
00:43:41,580 --> 00:43:43,624
[Cathy Scorsese] He's always doing
something.
835
00:43:43,707 --> 00:43:46,168
He's never not doing something.
836
00:43:46,251 --> 00:43:49,129
{\an8}Even when he says he's doing nothing,
that's not true.
837
00:43:49,213 --> 00:43:52,341
{\an8}- We have to talk later.
- I need three minutes with you to just...
838
00:43:52,424 --> 00:43:54,885
{\an8}So this is the first draft
of the boards, very rough.
839
00:43:54,968 --> 00:43:58,847
Get any revisions, and then we'll
polish it and then turn them around.
840
00:43:58,931 --> 00:44:01,058
[Donnelly] He's producing an enormous
amount of things.
841
00:44:01,141 --> 00:44:05,145
Filmmakers that he's found and likes
and wants to help, friends of his.
842
00:44:05,229 --> 00:44:09,983
{\an8}We've got anywhere from 20 to 40 projects
that Marty is also producing,
843
00:44:10,067 --> 00:44:11,068
exec producing.
844
00:44:11,151 --> 00:44:12,152
That's interesting.
845
00:44:12,236 --> 00:44:14,363
[Donnelly] And then
there's the Film Foundation.
846
00:44:14,446 --> 00:44:17,824
{\an8}There was never a time that Marty
wasn't advocating for film.
847
00:44:18,742 --> 00:44:22,829
{\an8}He will always be thinking about
what films need to be restored
848
00:44:22,913 --> 00:44:26,875
{\an8}and it's not like work for him.
It's just, you know, a second nature.
849
00:44:27,501 --> 00:44:30,504
{\an8}Marty saved Powell Pressburger films
from extinction.
850
00:44:30,587 --> 00:44:33,423
{\an8}Dedicated himself to it.
He's still doing it today.
851
00:44:33,799 --> 00:44:37,678
{\an8}[Scorsese] Film Foundation has been
a part of at least 900 films so far.
852
00:44:37,761 --> 00:44:39,346
{\an8}There's also the World Cinema Project
853
00:44:39,429 --> 00:44:43,851
{\an8}which is a similar thing, only for films
made in countries around the world
854
00:44:43,934 --> 00:44:46,019
{\an8}that don't have access or have the ability
855
00:44:46,103 --> 00:44:48,272
{\an8}to restore, preserve,
and that sort of thing.
856
00:44:49,147 --> 00:44:50,691
{\an8}[DiCaprio] It's like imagining
857
00:44:50,774 --> 00:44:54,111
lost paintings that just disappear
that nobody kept.
858
00:44:54,194 --> 00:44:56,697
Nobody put up on the wall.
They just disappear for all time.
859
00:44:56,780 --> 00:45:00,200
{\an8}And his life's work, as well as
making movies, is about
860
00:45:00,284 --> 00:45:03,996
{\an8}making the next generation
truly understand
861
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,165
{\an8}what an important art form cinema is.
862
00:45:07,875 --> 00:45:11,712
Um, we also need to coordinate
with George Lucas' office.
863
00:45:12,296 --> 00:45:14,089
[Lisa Frechette] We've got
the Film Foundation.
864
00:45:14,173 --> 00:45:16,258
{\an8}There's feature films,
there's documentaries.
865
00:45:16,341 --> 00:45:19,094
{\an8}We're now working on commercials.
There's travel.
866
00:45:19,178 --> 00:45:21,513
Ah! And that dentist.
867
00:45:22,389 --> 00:45:25,184
- You love the dentist.
- I know. I like him. He's a nice man.
868
00:45:25,267 --> 00:45:27,227
It's the only place I get some rest.
869
00:45:28,437 --> 00:45:30,731
- Give me a root canal, will you please?
- [laughs]
870
00:45:30,814 --> 00:45:34,151
Seriously, you can't do anything.
Root canal, you're in a chair and they...
871
00:45:34,234 --> 00:45:37,154
Well, they numb it and everything.
That's a pain in the neck. But...
872
00:45:37,237 --> 00:45:40,073
[sighs] You're just,
for an hour and a half, it's like...
873
00:45:40,991 --> 00:45:42,701
- That's it. I'm out of here.
- [laughs]
874
00:45:42,784 --> 00:45:46,330
[Margaret Bodde] When I first started
working for Marty as his assistant,
875
00:45:46,955 --> 00:45:51,919
I mean, he had a temper, right?
I mean, he would get really frustrated.
876
00:45:52,002 --> 00:45:54,338
[interviewer] You used to get so angry
in the making of a movie
877
00:45:54,421 --> 00:45:56,715
- that you would smash telephones.
- It's kind of satisfying.
878
00:45:56,798 --> 00:45:58,759
What do you do?
Just smash them and break them?
879
00:45:58,842 --> 00:46:00,844
Years ago,
I used to do it a lot, because--
880
00:46:00,928 --> 00:46:03,472
But then it was ridiculous
because I needed to use the phone.
881
00:46:03,555 --> 00:46:05,474
- [interviewer laughs]
- Quite honestly.
882
00:46:07,059 --> 00:46:09,394
[Bodde] It was
not a happy place sometimes,
883
00:46:09,478 --> 00:46:14,441
especially mornings, when the car
didn't show up and he was late, and...
884
00:46:14,525 --> 00:46:19,071
You know, I mean, it was kind of...
It could be very tense.
885
00:46:20,781 --> 00:46:22,866
But the evolution
886
00:46:22,950 --> 00:46:25,452
was when we were working on
Living in the Material World.
887
00:46:25,536 --> 00:46:28,163
{\an8}People always say
I'm the Beatle who changed the most.
888
00:46:28,247 --> 00:46:31,041
{\an8}But really
that's what I see life is about.
889
00:46:31,124 --> 00:46:32,626
{\an8}The point is...
890
00:46:33,293 --> 00:46:38,382
unless you're God-conscious,
then you have to change, because...
891
00:46:38,465 --> 00:46:42,719
[Scorsese] I learned about meditation when
we were doing the George Harrison film.
892
00:46:43,178 --> 00:46:47,391
Pulling back and quieting the anger.
893
00:46:47,474 --> 00:46:49,476
Quieting it.
The anger is still gonna be there,
894
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:52,396
but keep the shouting down
in the back of your head.
895
00:46:53,522 --> 00:46:56,191
Say, "Okay, okay. We're going to do this."
You know?
896
00:46:58,402 --> 00:47:00,654
And of course,
through love, that's the key.
897
00:47:00,737 --> 00:47:01,613
[guffaws]
898
00:47:01,697 --> 00:47:04,741
- Look at this little chicken.
- It's definitely a gecko.
899
00:47:04,825 --> 00:47:07,578
[Domenica Cameron-Scorsese]
Cathy, Francesca and I,
900
00:47:07,661 --> 00:47:09,580
we each had a different dad.
901
00:47:10,622 --> 00:47:15,294
Just based in terms
of where he was in his life.
902
00:47:15,377 --> 00:47:18,672
When I was little, he had this beard.
903
00:47:19,173 --> 00:47:21,258
{\an8}The big scary beard, and the inten--
904
00:47:21,341 --> 00:47:26,638
{\an8}And he would roll his eyebrows,
sort of the angry, like, "Here I am."
905
00:47:26,722 --> 00:47:30,350
And he's still got that.
You know, anger feeds the work.
906
00:47:30,767 --> 00:47:32,811
{\an8}But now there's more...
907
00:47:34,521 --> 00:47:35,981
{\an8}...he's more here.
908
00:47:36,773 --> 00:47:39,359
{\an8}- Get those hearts away from my head.
- [laughs]
909
00:47:39,443 --> 00:47:40,986
So I've only...
910
00:47:41,069 --> 00:47:44,239
- [man laughs] Yeah.
- There you go. You're good.
911
00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:47,242
[Francesca] You know he tries,
like, during family dinner,
912
00:47:47,326 --> 00:47:49,494
he tries to just, like, be more present
913
00:47:49,578 --> 00:47:52,206
and, you know, family dinner
for us is really important.
914
00:47:52,289 --> 00:47:54,041
[all laughing]
915
00:47:54,124 --> 00:47:56,043
Mom! We have to hide you, quick.
916
00:47:56,126 --> 00:47:58,086
- No, no don't hide her, give it to her.
- Get in the closet.
917
00:47:58,170 --> 00:47:59,588
[Francesca] And then we'd go
in our family room.
918
00:47:59,671 --> 00:48:01,256
Like, for a couple of hours after that,
919
00:48:01,340 --> 00:48:03,759
maybe watch a movie or just talk
and spend time together.
920
00:48:04,593 --> 00:48:05,677
[Francesca] Yeah.
921
00:48:06,303 --> 00:48:07,638
Would you wanna be a vampire?
922
00:48:07,721 --> 00:48:10,599
[man, on recording] It may be
that I am doomed to be one of them.
923
00:48:10,682 --> 00:48:11,517
You hear that?
924
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:12,768
[indistinct chatter]
925
00:48:12,851 --> 00:48:14,144
[chuckles] Ow!
926
00:48:14,895 --> 00:48:16,396
- [indistinct dialogue]
- [laughter]
927
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:20,150
The anger could consume you,
and it had, over the years. It has.
928
00:48:20,234 --> 00:48:24,279
It has. I just-- Some miracle I came out
of it. You can't live with yourself.
929
00:48:24,363 --> 00:48:27,241
So the thing is, you're gonna to have
to live with yourself if you want to live.
930
00:48:29,034 --> 00:48:32,496
[Francesca] He's gotten a lot calmer...
[chuckles] as he's gotten older.
931
00:48:32,579 --> 00:48:33,413
But...
932
00:48:33,497 --> 00:48:35,332
he worries a lot about me,
933
00:48:35,415 --> 00:48:38,752
and I think that he also is
just prone to worrying a bit
934
00:48:38,836 --> 00:48:40,045
because of my mom.
935
00:48:41,004 --> 00:48:42,631
I'm gonna go to bed. Night, hon.
936
00:48:42,714 --> 00:48:45,717
[Francesca] Not many people know
that my mom is sick.
937
00:48:46,468 --> 00:48:49,429
She did get Parkinson's
when she was 30, I think.
938
00:48:49,513 --> 00:48:51,932
[swallows] So she had
early onset Parkinson's.
939
00:48:52,015 --> 00:48:54,268
That was before she met my dad.
940
00:48:54,768 --> 00:48:57,229
You would be around that office, right?
941
00:48:57,312 --> 00:49:02,568
And then at one point you, I think,
told me that you had sent... sort of a...
942
00:49:02,651 --> 00:49:04,319
I won't say a fan letter...
943
00:49:04,903 --> 00:49:07,781
But, come on. It's obviously what it is.
944
00:49:07,865 --> 00:49:08,991
[slowly] You were...
945
00:49:09,825 --> 00:49:13,579
chasing me around your office.
946
00:49:13,662 --> 00:49:16,832
I was not chasing you around, damn it.
No, no. It's true.
947
00:49:16,915 --> 00:49:18,917
You were, like, in the way, man.
948
00:49:19,001 --> 00:49:20,836
- I was trying to make a film.
- [laughs]
949
00:49:20,919 --> 00:49:22,421
We're making films here.
950
00:49:22,504 --> 00:49:23,797
People see...
951
00:49:24,965 --> 00:49:28,635
I mean, they look at him
and they see, like, his films
952
00:49:28,719 --> 00:49:31,763
and they see awards and whatever, but...
953
00:49:31,847 --> 00:49:33,974
my mom's a big part of his life.
954
00:49:36,018 --> 00:49:37,186
One more.
955
00:49:38,437 --> 00:49:41,565
[Francesca] When I was younger,
it wasn't really progressed.
956
00:49:41,648 --> 00:49:44,735
And then as I got older,
it just got a lot worse,
957
00:49:44,818 --> 00:49:46,987
and like, you know,
she couldn't really walk.
958
00:49:48,363 --> 00:49:51,408
I mean, there's been moments
where he was on set and, like... [sighs]
959
00:49:51,491 --> 00:49:54,995
she'd fall and he would have to stop
shooting and go to the hospital.
960
00:49:57,748 --> 00:49:59,917
{\an8}He would get so hopeless.
961
00:50:04,296 --> 00:50:05,923
They're so close.
962
00:50:06,590 --> 00:50:08,634
- [Helen] Mmm.
- What do you need?
963
00:50:08,717 --> 00:50:12,471
I wanted the...
964
00:50:14,306 --> 00:50:15,682
- What is that?
- Mmm.
965
00:50:16,934 --> 00:50:18,936
The-- The... ca--
966
00:50:21,104 --> 00:50:21,939
The calendar?
967
00:50:22,022 --> 00:50:27,861
[enunciating slowly] The catalogue.
968
00:50:29,071 --> 00:50:34,326
[enunciating slowly] The catalogue.
969
00:50:34,409 --> 00:50:35,744
- Oh, the catalogue.
- Yeah.
970
00:50:35,827 --> 00:50:38,580
But... [chuckles]
do you have it here in this room?
971
00:50:38,664 --> 00:50:41,875
[Cocks] That goddamn disease
is so hard, you know?
972
00:50:41,959 --> 00:50:44,795
But... he doesn't act like it's hard.
973
00:50:45,712 --> 00:50:47,631
He seems to take it in stride.
974
00:50:48,882 --> 00:50:50,509
I think it would be fair to say
975
00:50:50,592 --> 00:50:55,222
that if Marty hadn't gone
through all that, back in the day,
976
00:50:55,305 --> 00:50:59,560
he wouldn't be able to be present
in this way and so fully.
977
00:50:59,643 --> 00:51:05,482
And he learned... that an artist
can be selfish about his art,
978
00:51:06,775 --> 00:51:10,028
but doesn't have to be selfish
necessarily in his life.
979
00:51:12,364 --> 00:51:16,201
[Scorsese] After Last Temptation
of Christ, I had to go deeper.
980
00:51:16,285 --> 00:51:20,038
I read Silence in September of '89,
I said, "I've got to make this."
981
00:51:21,498 --> 00:51:26,336
Questions the whole idea of what is
the essence of this revolutionary, uh...
982
00:51:27,504 --> 00:51:29,756
thinking, of Christianity.
983
00:51:30,757 --> 00:51:34,344
{\an8}It's a true story
about the 17th century in southern Japan.
984
00:51:34,428 --> 00:51:35,554
{\an8}[speaks Japanese]
985
00:51:36,471 --> 00:51:39,433
[Scorsese] Where there was a great
conflict between Catholic missionaries
986
00:51:39,516 --> 00:51:40,809
and the Japanese government.
987
00:51:40,893 --> 00:51:45,439
Resulting in maybe 35,000 martyrs,
people killed, ultimately.
988
00:51:52,154 --> 00:51:57,034
What happens with, uh, Rodrigues,
a missionary, is something else.
989
00:51:57,826 --> 00:51:59,786
{\an8}And I was interested in the way
990
00:51:59,870 --> 00:52:03,207
{\an8}that some of the main missionaries
that went there originally apostatized.
991
00:52:03,290 --> 00:52:05,542
Which meant that they
gave up their religion.
992
00:52:06,084 --> 00:52:10,797
If you don't apostatize,
the prisoners will be hung over the pit
993
00:52:10,881 --> 00:52:12,257
until you do.
994
00:52:12,341 --> 00:52:15,344
Their lives bleeding away, drop by drop.
995
00:52:15,427 --> 00:52:18,347
[Ari Aster] Silence, more than
just about, like, any film
996
00:52:18,430 --> 00:52:19,973
{\an8}wrestles with the question
of what it...
997
00:52:21,058 --> 00:52:22,976
{\an8}...truly means to be Christian.
998
00:52:23,060 --> 00:52:25,646
As long as you don't apostatize
they cannot be saved.
999
00:52:25,729 --> 00:52:27,773
[Aster] Our main character,
who's very arrogant,
1000
00:52:27,856 --> 00:52:30,984
insisted that he would never apostatize.
1001
00:52:31,068 --> 00:52:33,862
But he did it to save other people.
1002
00:52:33,946 --> 00:52:39,409
The only Christ-like gesture
that character makes in the entire film,
1003
00:52:39,493 --> 00:52:41,036
is to apostatize.
1004
00:52:41,662 --> 00:52:45,916
[Scorsese] I think he realizes the depth
of what Jesus is asking for.
1005
00:52:46,416 --> 00:52:49,920
Asking him to do...
uh, to be, who he's gonna be.
1006
00:52:50,796 --> 00:52:53,257
Here's a story where a guy
by the end of the story
1007
00:52:53,340 --> 00:52:55,759
denies the Christianity he is preaching.
1008
00:52:55,843 --> 00:52:59,304
And in so doing,
he finds the real Christianity.
1009
00:52:59,972 --> 00:53:01,390
So what is that?
1010
00:53:02,307 --> 00:53:04,518
[Miller] It's also the loss of his pride,
isn't it?
1011
00:53:04,601 --> 00:53:08,021
Oh, the whole key is ultimately humility.
1012
00:53:08,814 --> 00:53:10,983
- That's-- The learning of humility.
- [Miller] Yes.
1013
00:53:11,066 --> 00:53:13,777
[Scorsese] That's the beauty
of that story.
1014
00:53:14,570 --> 00:53:18,365
[Aster] One thing that I think is really
notable about the film is the epilogue.
1015
00:53:18,448 --> 00:53:22,870
The film ends as this, like, love story
1016
00:53:22,953 --> 00:53:25,998
{\an8}between the priest and Kichijiro,
who's this wretch.
1017
00:53:26,081 --> 00:53:27,791
[rowdy chatter]
1018
00:53:27,875 --> 00:53:30,002
- [shouts in Japanese]
- [crockery smashes]
1019
00:53:30,919 --> 00:53:36,133
{\an8}He does terrible things.
He's a traitor, right? And, um, selfish.
1020
00:53:36,216 --> 00:53:37,801
[shouts in Japanese]
1021
00:53:40,804 --> 00:53:44,892
This guy keeps doing the same thing
over and over again, you know.
1022
00:53:46,143 --> 00:53:51,523
Keeps, uh, wanting to be out there
and to be a Christian
1023
00:53:51,607 --> 00:53:54,776
and then rats on everybody,
including the priest.
1024
00:53:58,739 --> 00:54:02,492
[Miller] And it's also the Johnny Boy,
kind of, character, right?
1025
00:54:02,576 --> 00:54:04,786
Yeah. Well, that's Judas, too,
the Johnny Boy.
1026
00:54:04,870 --> 00:54:06,788
You know, Kichijiro, Johnny Boy.
1027
00:54:06,872 --> 00:54:08,540
- He's the sinner.
- Yeah.
1028
00:54:08,624 --> 00:54:13,504
I am sorry for being so weak.
1029
00:54:13,587 --> 00:54:16,632
[Aster] I think Marty identifies
with Kichijiro
1030
00:54:16,715 --> 00:54:18,550
more than with the other characters
in the film.
1031
00:54:18,634 --> 00:54:21,929
Help me, Padre. Take away the sin.
1032
00:54:22,012 --> 00:54:23,013
[Scorsese] Jesus said,
1033
00:54:23,096 --> 00:54:26,475
"Why should I be hanging out with the high
priests and everybody? They're all fine.
1034
00:54:26,558 --> 00:54:28,644
The ones who really need the help
are the sinners."
1035
00:54:30,145 --> 00:54:33,148
{\an8}[Aster] You see it in Mean Streets.
You see it in Raging Bull.
1036
00:54:34,066 --> 00:54:35,734
{\an8}You see it in Goodfellas.
1037
00:54:35,817 --> 00:54:39,988
{\an8}And I think it reaches
a sort of apogee with Silence
1038
00:54:40,781 --> 00:54:44,826
of extending that kind of sympathy
on such a wretched person.
1039
00:54:45,869 --> 00:54:48,497
Kichijiro, he's the one who teaches.
1040
00:54:48,914 --> 00:54:51,834
Because, uh, by the end...
1041
00:54:53,544 --> 00:54:57,631
it's almost as if, um,
Jesus works through him
1042
00:54:57,714 --> 00:55:04,513
to teach Rodrigues of what love really is
and forgiveness and compassion.
1043
00:55:11,895 --> 00:55:14,982
[Miller] Do you still think of yourself
as a Christian?
1044
00:55:15,065 --> 00:55:16,608
Yes, I think so.
1045
00:55:16,692 --> 00:55:17,901
I really believe so, yeah.
1046
00:55:19,111 --> 00:55:23,198
I had to reject it, find it,
reject it again, try to find it,
1047
00:55:23,282 --> 00:55:27,536
and then finally find
some kind of comfort with it.
1048
00:55:30,330 --> 00:55:33,000
I think we will all have doubt, fear...
1049
00:55:33,709 --> 00:55:37,129
But by the time you understand your faith,
you'll be dead.
1050
00:55:38,172 --> 00:55:39,923
So really, it's... it's...
1051
00:55:40,632 --> 00:55:44,970
It's moving around a room and touching
and trying to find-- In the dark.
1052
00:55:45,721 --> 00:55:48,432
The only thing is
you keep making progress.
1053
00:55:52,686 --> 00:55:56,023
{\an8}[Aster] More and more,
his films feel really haunted to me.
1054
00:55:56,106 --> 00:55:58,233
I mean, especially The Irishman.
1055
00:55:59,193 --> 00:56:03,447
I hadn't worked with De Niro from Casino
to The Irishman, it's a long time.
1056
00:56:04,031 --> 00:56:07,784
But Casino was the last of that type
of thing, 'cause Irishman is different.
1057
00:56:08,744 --> 00:56:10,454
Even if the milieu is similar.
1058
00:56:11,371 --> 00:56:12,623
[patrons scream]
1059
00:56:12,706 --> 00:56:14,583
[man] Fuck. Shit.
1060
00:56:14,666 --> 00:56:15,834
[Scorsese] It's a different thing.
1061
00:56:17,002 --> 00:56:21,715
[Pileggi] Marty looks for material that
allows him to bring all of himself to it,
1062
00:56:21,798 --> 00:56:23,717
and you could see it with The Irishman
1063
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:29,223
as the... this outsider,
retiring and about to die.
1064
00:56:30,849 --> 00:56:35,062
The most memorable stuff
is Bob seeing his kids abandon him.
1065
00:56:35,896 --> 00:56:39,775
Peggy, Peggy. I just want to talk. Pe--
1066
00:56:40,234 --> 00:56:44,696
[Pileggi] I mean, the price you pay
for that idiotic vainglorious life
1067
00:56:44,780 --> 00:56:46,532
that he thought he was living.
1068
00:56:50,619 --> 00:56:53,247
[Schoonmaker] And there, you see the toll.
1069
00:56:53,330 --> 00:56:56,708
Bob De Niro all by himself,
alone in an old age home.
1070
00:56:58,085 --> 00:57:02,464
{\an8}Doesn't even know
when Christmas is. He's alone.
1071
00:57:02,548 --> 00:57:03,715
And he's paid for it.
1072
00:57:03,799 --> 00:57:06,885
- His mercy endures forever.
- His mercy endures forever.
1073
00:57:06,969 --> 00:57:09,429
All right, Frank.
I'm going to be back to visit. Okay?
1074
00:57:09,513 --> 00:57:12,432
Very soon,
probably after the Christmas holiday.
1075
00:57:12,516 --> 00:57:15,686
- Oh. Oh, okay.
- Frank, God bless you.
1076
00:57:15,769 --> 00:57:17,187
You too. Thank you.
1077
00:57:19,439 --> 00:57:20,899
It's Christmas?
1078
00:57:21,692 --> 00:57:22,943
Almost.
1079
00:57:23,318 --> 00:57:25,195
Oh, I ain't going nowhere.
1080
00:57:25,279 --> 00:57:29,283
When Bob first gave me the book,
he sort of broke down and cried.
1081
00:57:29,366 --> 00:57:31,910
People getting older.
That's what the book had in it.
1082
00:57:31,994 --> 00:57:32,995
I said, you know...
1083
00:57:34,037 --> 00:57:36,748
[Scorsese] That all this,
all they went through,
1084
00:57:36,832 --> 00:57:39,042
ultimately we all have to face
the same thing.
1085
00:57:39,126 --> 00:57:41,670
We have to face our extinction.
1086
00:57:42,337 --> 00:57:46,925
[intro to "Gimme Shelter" by
The Rolling Stones playing]
1087
00:57:47,009 --> 00:57:49,928
[Day-Lewis] The Irishman was working on me
1088
00:57:50,012 --> 00:57:53,265
in sort of a parallel theme
the whole time.
1089
00:57:54,391 --> 00:57:57,728
You see these wonderful people
1090
00:57:57,811 --> 00:58:01,523
after all these years
doing this work together.
1091
00:58:02,816 --> 00:58:07,988
[De Niro] The things we've done together,
I'm so grateful that we happened to be...
1092
00:58:08,071 --> 00:58:10,032
When you think about it,
1093
00:58:10,115 --> 00:58:13,410
we were two kids who kind of were aware
of each other downtown.
1094
00:58:13,493 --> 00:58:16,538
And all of a sudden,
this whole thing happened.
1095
00:58:16,622 --> 00:58:18,749
It's kind of... amazing.
1096
00:58:18,832 --> 00:58:21,960
♪ Ooh, a storm is threatening ♪
1097
00:58:22,544 --> 00:58:25,964
♪ My very life today... ♪
1098
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:31,386
I think Marty just has a real commitment
to that... to what he's doing.
1099
00:58:31,470 --> 00:58:34,431
It's not going to change for him.
God bless him.
1100
00:58:34,515 --> 00:58:38,310
♪ War, children ♪
1101
00:58:38,393 --> 00:58:41,480
♪ It's just a shot away
It's just a shot away... ♪
1102
00:58:41,563 --> 00:58:44,191
[DiCaprio] There's
a lot of great filmmakers out there
1103
00:58:44,274 --> 00:58:48,111
but I think he would do it for free,
you know?
1104
00:58:48,195 --> 00:58:51,490
[chuckles] I think he would
be a filmmaker no matter what.
1105
00:58:52,783 --> 00:58:57,162
Cinema consumed him at such an early age
and it never left him.
1106
00:58:59,039 --> 00:59:02,918
{\an8}♪ Burns like a red coal carpet ♪
1107
00:59:03,001 --> 00:59:06,672
{\an8}♪ Mad bull lost your way ♪
1108
00:59:07,172 --> 00:59:10,717
♪ War, children ♪
1109
00:59:10,801 --> 00:59:14,763
♪ It's just a shot away
It's just a shot away... ♪
1110
00:59:14,847 --> 00:59:19,726
[Miller] Do you feel like,
now, that each film has a different...
1111
00:59:20,811 --> 00:59:24,690
Um, you know, you can't give all
of yourself to every film, sort of...
1112
00:59:24,773 --> 00:59:27,276
in the same way, or you would probably...
1113
00:59:27,359 --> 00:59:29,903
- Well, that's what my doctor told me.
- ...die.
1114
00:59:29,987 --> 00:59:33,240
Dr. Klein, yeah.
He told me that 20 years ago.
1115
00:59:34,283 --> 00:59:37,870
He said, "Marty, you can't do that
every time. You won't survive it."
1116
00:59:37,953 --> 00:59:40,789
{\an8}We're going to move it
according to the drone, the whole unit.
1117
00:59:42,374 --> 00:59:45,752
{\an8}[Scorsese] I found it very difficult to be
without directing
1118
00:59:45,836 --> 00:59:48,797
or without creating
a movie for long periods of time.
1119
00:59:48,881 --> 00:59:52,551
Three, then... two, one,
and then two, we got it all.
1120
00:59:52,634 --> 00:59:54,636
Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, that was great.
1121
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:56,388
[song continues]
1122
00:59:56,471 --> 00:59:59,266
[Scorsese on set] Where are we going?
From the same place?
1123
00:59:59,349 --> 01:00:01,101
Do you want to go from
"Ernest Burkhart..."?
1124
01:00:01,185 --> 01:00:02,936
Sure. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Okay.
1125
01:00:05,105 --> 01:00:05,981
What's happening?
1126
01:00:06,565 --> 01:00:08,358
- You ready?
- [crew] Cameras are set.
1127
01:00:08,442 --> 01:00:09,693
Okay, and action!
1128
01:00:11,862 --> 01:00:15,407
♪ Rape, murder ♪
1129
01:00:15,490 --> 01:00:19,870
♪ It's just a shot away
It's just a shot away ♪
1130
01:00:19,953 --> 01:00:23,332
♪ Rape, murder ♪
1131
01:00:23,415 --> 01:00:30,130
♪ It's just a shot away
It's just a shot away ♪
1132
01:00:35,886 --> 01:00:39,723
♪ Mmm, a flood is threatening ♪
1133
01:00:39,806 --> 01:00:43,227
♪ My very life today ♪
1134
01:00:44,019 --> 01:00:47,439
♪ Gimme, gimme shelter ♪
1135
01:00:47,856 --> 01:00:51,109
♪ Or I'm gonna fade away ♪
1136
01:00:51,902 --> 01:00:55,531
♪ War, children ♪
1137
01:00:55,614 --> 01:00:57,115
♪ It's just a shot away ♪
1138
01:00:57,199 --> 01:00:59,701
♪ It's just a shot away ♪
1139
01:00:59,785 --> 01:01:01,578
♪ It's just a shot away ♪
1140
01:01:01,662 --> 01:01:03,539
♪ It's just a shot away ♪
1141
01:01:03,622 --> 01:01:05,791
♪ It's just a shot away ♪
1142
01:01:06,708 --> 01:01:11,630
♪ I tell you love, sister ♪
1143
01:01:11,713 --> 01:01:13,674
♪ It's just a kiss away ♪
1144
01:01:13,757 --> 01:01:15,717
♪ It's just a kiss away ♪
1145
01:01:15,801 --> 01:01:17,761
♪ It's just a kiss away ♪
1146
01:01:17,845 --> 01:01:19,721
♪ It's just a kiss away ♪
1147
01:01:19,805 --> 01:01:25,185
♪ It's just a kiss away
Kiss away, kiss away ♪
1148
01:01:41,034 --> 01:01:43,036
[song fades]