1 00:00:04,838 --> 00:00:08,674 This is a notorious serial killer who was not very famous, 2 00:00:08,675 --> 00:00:12,762 but he certainly caused a lot of mayhem and horror. 3 00:00:13,304 --> 00:00:16,348 Police find a body laying in the desert. 4 00:00:16,349 --> 00:00:22,646 There was something carved in her skin on her back. 5 00:00:22,647 --> 00:00:24,940 This is torture. 6 00:00:24,941 --> 00:00:27,568 He already had four victims. 7 00:00:27,569 --> 00:00:31,071 He feels he is not going to be caught. 8 00:00:31,072 --> 00:00:33,575 He had nothing to lose at this point. 9 00:00:33,700 --> 00:00:37,328 She had been corresponding with a killer. 10 00:00:37,329 --> 00:00:39,371 He had a three-day head start, 11 00:00:39,372 --> 00:00:41,416 and we had no idea where he was going. 12 00:00:41,541 --> 00:00:43,167 He was some kind of devil 13 00:00:43,168 --> 00:00:45,378 to do all those things to my mother 14 00:00:45,503 --> 00:00:47,881 and keep her alive while you did it. 15 00:01:08,735 --> 00:01:12,112 The Indio area in the high desert 16 00:01:12,113 --> 00:01:13,989 of Southern California region 17 00:01:13,990 --> 00:01:18,327 was a pretty desolate location 30-plus years ago. 18 00:01:18,328 --> 00:01:21,748 There really wasn't a lot going on out there. 19 00:01:21,873 --> 00:01:25,501 A young lady came into the Indio Police Department 20 00:01:25,502 --> 00:01:27,002 and asked to see an officer. 21 00:01:27,003 --> 00:01:29,505 When she was asked why, 22 00:01:29,506 --> 00:01:33,801 she slid several Polaroid photos of a dead body 23 00:01:33,802 --> 00:01:36,930 to the person at the desk. 24 00:01:38,056 --> 00:01:41,434 She told him she was driving around in the desert area 25 00:01:41,559 --> 00:01:44,728 to clear her mind and to clear her soul, 26 00:01:44,729 --> 00:01:48,357 and she came across this dead body. 27 00:01:48,358 --> 00:01:51,694 The Indio Police Department responded 28 00:01:51,695 --> 00:01:56,031 and my supervisor said, "You're it." 29 00:01:56,032 --> 00:01:58,159 I arrived on the scene. 30 00:01:58,284 --> 00:02:01,996 The nearest home is about 300 yards away. 31 00:02:02,122 --> 00:02:07,127 There was almost a mile until you reached a paved road. 32 00:02:07,252 --> 00:02:10,838 I walked up to the body, and it was female. 33 00:02:10,839 --> 00:02:13,340 She was laying face down. 34 00:02:13,341 --> 00:02:15,676 She was nude except for one shoe. 35 00:02:15,677 --> 00:02:19,054 As we got closer to the body, we could see 36 00:02:19,055 --> 00:02:24,643 that there was something carved in her skin on her back. 37 00:02:24,644 --> 00:02:26,854 And it was "I" 38 00:02:26,855 --> 00:02:29,774 and then the symbol for heart and "Jesus." 39 00:02:31,526 --> 00:02:36,865 It took up from her shoulders to her buttocks. 40 00:02:36,990 --> 00:02:39,366 When I saw that, I didn't know what to think, 41 00:02:39,367 --> 00:02:42,578 it was possibly a signature. 42 00:02:42,579 --> 00:02:45,331 It was just a phenomenon that none of us 43 00:02:45,457 --> 00:02:48,001 had ever witnessed personally. 44 00:02:49,044 --> 00:02:51,462 There's no identification. 45 00:02:51,463 --> 00:02:53,214 There's no way of knowing who this person is. 46 00:02:53,340 --> 00:02:55,342 The coroner arrives. 47 00:02:55,467 --> 00:02:59,094 We turn the body over, and then we see that it appears 48 00:02:59,095 --> 00:03:01,514 that she had been shot in the head. 49 00:03:02,599 --> 00:03:05,642 She was also missing her eyeballs. 50 00:03:05,643 --> 00:03:07,687 She had been stabbed in the throat. 51 00:03:07,812 --> 00:03:12,942 Her ears had been cut off and her nipples had been removed. 52 00:03:14,402 --> 00:03:15,778 Those parts that were missing, 53 00:03:15,779 --> 00:03:17,572 they were not there at the scene. 54 00:03:17,697 --> 00:03:23,662 These appeared to be trophies that were taken from the victim. 55 00:03:23,787 --> 00:03:27,749 It was elevated to a different level of horror. 56 00:03:27,874 --> 00:03:31,795 When a killer mutilates someone, 57 00:03:31,920 --> 00:03:36,423 it's typically fantasy driven or symbolic to them. 58 00:03:36,424 --> 00:03:39,718 So it could mean that it's just something 59 00:03:39,719 --> 00:03:43,222 they were doing that satiated them 60 00:03:43,223 --> 00:03:45,725 and made the killer feel more gratified. 61 00:03:47,644 --> 00:03:51,438 The position of her body looked like she had been dragged 62 00:03:51,439 --> 00:03:53,107 and left at that location. 63 00:03:53,108 --> 00:03:55,777 In fact, we did find drag marks 64 00:03:55,902 --> 00:04:00,949 next to a pair of tire tracks about 15 feet from the body. 65 00:04:01,074 --> 00:04:04,452 We didn't see a lot of blood, so we believed 66 00:04:04,577 --> 00:04:07,454 that the homicide had been committed someplace else. 67 00:04:07,455 --> 00:04:09,665 Police searched the area, 68 00:04:09,666 --> 00:04:11,375 and they found a number of items-- 69 00:04:11,376 --> 00:04:13,460 clothing, hair extensions-- 70 00:04:13,461 --> 00:04:15,463 just items that obviously had belonged to the woman 71 00:04:15,588 --> 00:04:19,133 that whoever did this had either stripped off her, 72 00:04:19,134 --> 00:04:21,761 taken off her, thrown off her. 73 00:04:22,595 --> 00:04:27,058 The very first priority is to get this victim identified. 74 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,020 We began scouring our neighboring agencies 75 00:04:31,021 --> 00:04:33,440 for missing persons. 76 00:04:33,565 --> 00:04:35,442 There's no reports. 77 00:04:35,567 --> 00:04:38,278 Is she from this area? Is she from some other place? 78 00:04:38,403 --> 00:04:41,364 Who is this person? It is a complete mystery. 79 00:04:45,243 --> 00:04:47,870 At the autopsy, the coroner found 80 00:04:47,871 --> 00:04:51,498 that our victim was shot one time in the head. 81 00:04:51,499 --> 00:04:55,210 A .22-caliber bullet recovered from her brain 82 00:04:55,211 --> 00:04:56,629 that did not exit. 83 00:04:56,755 --> 00:04:58,298 Based on her body temperature, 84 00:04:58,423 --> 00:05:00,716 the coroner believed the date and time of death 85 00:05:00,717 --> 00:05:03,178 were the night of the 22nd. 86 00:05:03,303 --> 00:05:09,516 We didn't initially see any indication of sexual abuse 87 00:05:09,517 --> 00:05:11,478 until the coroner found that 88 00:05:11,603 --> 00:05:15,689 she had also been stabbed in the buttocks and her vagina. 89 00:05:15,690 --> 00:05:20,069 She had defensive wounds that would indicate 90 00:05:20,070 --> 00:05:21,862 that she fought back. 91 00:05:21,863 --> 00:05:26,660 This kind of crime horrifies and motivates you. 92 00:05:27,494 --> 00:05:32,582 During the autopsy, they ran her fingerprints and got no matches. 93 00:05:34,542 --> 00:05:38,505 One of the key items on the victim 94 00:05:38,630 --> 00:05:43,176 was that she had a gold tooth in the shape of a clover. 95 00:05:43,301 --> 00:05:45,678 We relayed that immediately to our neighboring stations 96 00:05:45,804 --> 00:05:47,846 and to the local police departments, 97 00:05:47,847 --> 00:05:50,891 and within a couple of hours I had a call 98 00:05:50,892 --> 00:05:53,560 from our neighboring sheriff's station that, 99 00:05:53,561 --> 00:05:54,979 the same day as the autopsy, 100 00:05:54,980 --> 00:05:58,315 their people were taking a missing-persons report 101 00:05:58,316 --> 00:05:59,734 in the city of Rancho Mirage 102 00:05:59,859 --> 00:06:03,070 for a Fathyma Vann who went missing 103 00:06:03,071 --> 00:06:05,365 on the night of the 22nd. 104 00:06:06,032 --> 00:06:08,951 20-year-old Yolanda Vann reports that her mother, 105 00:06:08,952 --> 00:06:12,037 Fathyma Vann, who's 38 years old, is missing 106 00:06:12,038 --> 00:06:15,458 and has been missing for almost two days. 107 00:06:16,751 --> 00:06:21,131 My mother worked at the senior citizens home. 108 00:06:21,673 --> 00:06:25,801 And we were taking night classes at College of the Desert. 109 00:06:25,802 --> 00:06:28,429 Mom took a engine-rebuilding class 110 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:29,805 and a child-development class. 111 00:06:29,806 --> 00:06:30,932 And then I was taking 112 00:06:31,057 --> 00:06:32,850 administrative of justice classes 113 00:06:32,851 --> 00:06:34,561 'cause I wanted to be a judge. 114 00:06:34,686 --> 00:06:37,771 On April 22nd, 115 00:06:37,772 --> 00:06:40,524 I was sick, and I didn't go to school that day 116 00:06:40,525 --> 00:06:41,525 and I stayed home. 117 00:06:41,526 --> 00:06:44,320 Mom went to work. 118 00:06:44,321 --> 00:06:46,948 I'm thinking it's gonna be a regular day for her. 119 00:06:47,073 --> 00:06:51,619 That night, she went to class at 8:00. 120 00:06:51,745 --> 00:06:54,705 That was the last class that she was in at the night. 121 00:06:54,706 --> 00:06:56,749 She was always home by 10:00. 122 00:06:56,750 --> 00:06:58,752 No if, ands, or buts. 123 00:06:58,877 --> 00:07:02,004 So I'm home. I'm looking at the clock. 124 00:07:02,005 --> 00:07:03,797 10:00 hits. 125 00:07:03,798 --> 00:07:05,467 Mom's not walking through that door. 126 00:07:05,592 --> 00:07:08,053 Automatic flags for me. 127 00:07:09,387 --> 00:07:10,805 I get on the phone, call my sister. 128 00:07:10,930 --> 00:07:13,308 "Hey, Mom didn't show up." 129 00:07:13,433 --> 00:07:15,226 She was, "Just give her some time." 130 00:07:15,351 --> 00:07:16,978 I said, "Nuh-unh. 131 00:07:17,103 --> 00:07:18,479 'Cause Mom would have been here." 132 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:20,147 I started calling her friends. 133 00:07:20,148 --> 00:07:23,818 I started calling her job. I started calling people. 134 00:07:23,943 --> 00:07:28,155 I left and went up to the school to see if she was there. 135 00:07:28,156 --> 00:07:29,449 Nothing. 136 00:07:31,618 --> 00:07:34,287 I started calling the police like that night. 137 00:07:35,538 --> 00:07:39,416 The detectives started asking about any tattoos 138 00:07:39,417 --> 00:07:41,628 or anything that could identify her. 139 00:07:41,753 --> 00:07:45,005 And I said that gold four-leaf-clover tooth 140 00:07:45,006 --> 00:07:47,217 she had in her mouth, right in the front. 141 00:07:49,094 --> 00:07:52,639 The clover-shaped gold tooth obviously triggers 142 00:07:52,764 --> 00:07:55,183 a big, big alert to the police. 143 00:07:55,308 --> 00:07:59,562 I knew immediately that it was our victim. 144 00:08:00,897 --> 00:08:03,358 Fathyma had two girls-- Yolanda and Michelle-- 145 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:05,443 and they had all lived together in the same apartment 146 00:08:05,568 --> 00:08:07,403 in Rancho Mirage. 147 00:08:07,404 --> 00:08:09,571 We needed to go and let her know 148 00:08:09,572 --> 00:08:12,951 that her mom was indeed deceased. 149 00:08:14,285 --> 00:08:16,496 And it was an awful feeling. 150 00:08:16,621 --> 00:08:20,249 When I found out my mother was gone, 151 00:08:20,250 --> 00:08:24,086 I tore up everything I could because now life is gone. 152 00:08:24,087 --> 00:08:26,548 Now I'm crying. I can't do anything. 153 00:08:26,673 --> 00:08:30,468 Now it's just me and my sister. 154 00:08:31,136 --> 00:08:35,181 I grew up in Ventura County with two loving parents 155 00:08:35,306 --> 00:08:37,517 and my sister, Michelle. 156 00:08:37,642 --> 00:08:39,351 My parents had their battles and struggles 157 00:08:39,352 --> 00:08:40,894 just like everybody else. 158 00:08:40,895 --> 00:08:44,566 Yes, they separated. My mother was home a lot. 159 00:08:44,691 --> 00:08:47,776 She made sure we had everything we needed. 160 00:08:47,777 --> 00:08:53,033 A very caring, strong, empowered Cherokee woman. 161 00:08:56,578 --> 00:08:59,121 We need to get her some justice. 162 00:08:59,122 --> 00:09:01,665 We need to find who did this to her. 163 00:09:01,666 --> 00:09:04,377 We needed to find out where her mom had been, 164 00:09:04,502 --> 00:09:08,756 where she may have crossed paths with whoever killed her. 165 00:09:08,757 --> 00:09:12,426 And so I asked her a whole lots of questions 166 00:09:12,427 --> 00:09:14,970 about her mom's day. 167 00:09:14,971 --> 00:09:17,848 What was her schedule like? 168 00:09:17,849 --> 00:09:20,684 Mom's car was actually at the school. 169 00:09:20,685 --> 00:09:24,397 She brought it there as a project car 170 00:09:24,522 --> 00:09:25,899 since she wanted to rebuild it. 171 00:09:26,024 --> 00:09:27,734 So that was the project that they used in the class. 172 00:09:27,859 --> 00:09:30,820 So she took the bus to school. 173 00:09:32,030 --> 00:09:34,783 We learned there was a couple of times 174 00:09:34,908 --> 00:09:38,744 when an older white man had given her a ride home. 175 00:09:38,745 --> 00:09:40,162 I met him one evening. 176 00:09:40,163 --> 00:09:42,749 He actually was standing by her and she said, 177 00:09:42,874 --> 00:09:45,752 "This is my daughter, Yolanda." 178 00:09:45,877 --> 00:09:47,921 His vibe was not good at all. 179 00:09:49,089 --> 00:09:51,173 The detectives want to find this guy, 180 00:09:51,174 --> 00:09:54,844 want to talk to this guy to see if he's involved. 181 00:09:55,637 --> 00:09:57,597 At the same time, 182 00:09:57,722 --> 00:10:00,642 we hear a police broadcast by our dispatch 183 00:10:00,767 --> 00:10:03,687 that had come from Indio police. 184 00:10:03,812 --> 00:10:06,689 Indio police is looking for the parolee 185 00:10:06,690 --> 00:10:10,610 for a homicide with some similarities 186 00:10:10,735 --> 00:10:14,822 in Burlingame, California-- Bay Area. 187 00:10:14,823 --> 00:10:17,533 There were definitely similarities. 188 00:10:17,534 --> 00:10:19,284 Two female victims shot 189 00:10:19,285 --> 00:10:22,287 with a small-caliber weapon, probably a .22. 190 00:10:22,288 --> 00:10:24,791 Both of them had had their breasts mutilated. 191 00:10:24,916 --> 00:10:26,292 Two different police agencies 192 00:10:26,418 --> 00:10:29,170 have two different horrific crime scenes, 193 00:10:29,295 --> 00:10:31,922 all within a day and a half of one another. 194 00:10:31,923 --> 00:10:34,717 Is there some connection? Who would do this? 195 00:10:34,718 --> 00:10:37,262 This isn't random. There's no chance. 196 00:10:39,723 --> 00:10:42,350 We are hunting a serial killer. 197 00:10:42,475 --> 00:10:45,937 The detectives see a familiar pattern-- 198 00:10:46,062 --> 00:10:49,399 revenge on women who rejected him. 199 00:10:51,776 --> 00:10:56,613 This tape was being recorded as he would stop at rest stops 200 00:10:56,614 --> 00:10:59,908 and eyeball women going in and out of the ladies' room. 201 00:10:59,909 --> 00:11:04,164 His plan was, was to grab a woman who was there. 202 00:11:14,466 --> 00:11:17,343 While detectives are busy putting together 203 00:11:17,344 --> 00:11:21,681 the Fathyma Vann case and trying to find what happened to her, 204 00:11:21,806 --> 00:11:23,683 there's a whole nother nightmare going on 205 00:11:23,808 --> 00:11:26,352 up in Burlingame, in Northern California. 206 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:31,524 Burlingame is a small city outside San Francisco, 207 00:11:31,649 --> 00:11:32,733 in the suburbs. 208 00:11:32,734 --> 00:11:36,571 We had 30,000 residents and very little crime. 209 00:11:36,696 --> 00:11:38,406 It was a Friday morning. 210 00:11:38,531 --> 00:11:41,950 A retired firefighter goes to the Burlingame Police Department 211 00:11:41,951 --> 00:11:43,703 and requests a welfare check. 212 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,748 He says, "I have two friends 213 00:11:46,873 --> 00:11:49,709 who I meet for coffee three times a week. 214 00:11:49,834 --> 00:11:52,921 72-year-old Eva Petersen and her daughter, 215 00:11:53,046 --> 00:11:56,382 46-year-old Carol Spadoni. 216 00:11:56,383 --> 00:11:59,219 We've met for a long, long time on a regular basis, 217 00:11:59,344 --> 00:12:04,224 and they haven't shown up for two days, which is unusual." 218 00:12:04,349 --> 00:12:06,768 He came by the house 219 00:12:06,893 --> 00:12:09,521 and saw the car in the driveway with some newspapers piled up, 220 00:12:09,646 --> 00:12:11,690 so he thought something was wrong. 221 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,567 Law enforcement went out there 222 00:12:15,568 --> 00:12:17,361 and saw no signs of forced entry. 223 00:12:17,362 --> 00:12:21,031 The door to the garage-- not locked. Open. 224 00:12:21,032 --> 00:12:24,077 They walked into the garage 225 00:12:24,202 --> 00:12:32,168 and saw an older woman sprawled on the entryway into the house. 226 00:12:32,836 --> 00:12:35,839 They could tell right away that she was deceased. 227 00:12:37,090 --> 00:12:38,882 She was naked from the waist down 228 00:12:38,883 --> 00:12:44,263 and had a sweatshirt and bra pulled up over her breasts. 229 00:12:44,264 --> 00:12:48,268 She also had cut marks on her right nipple. 230 00:12:48,810 --> 00:12:50,770 She had a towel stuffed in her mouth, 231 00:12:50,895 --> 00:12:53,273 and there was a bullet fired through that 232 00:12:53,398 --> 00:12:55,275 right into her head. 233 00:12:55,942 --> 00:13:00,321 Probably the towel was used to muffle the sound. 234 00:13:00,322 --> 00:13:02,906 We knew we had a monster on our hands. 235 00:13:02,907 --> 00:13:05,452 This is torture. 236 00:13:08,330 --> 00:13:10,498 I saw drag marks across the floor, 237 00:13:10,623 --> 00:13:14,626 which indicated to me that she had been shot inside the home 238 00:13:14,627 --> 00:13:17,212 and then dragged in the garage. 239 00:13:17,213 --> 00:13:19,214 I then proceeded into the living room, 240 00:13:19,215 --> 00:13:23,470 where I found another younger female. 241 00:13:25,346 --> 00:13:29,641 And she had duct tape completely wrapped around her head, 242 00:13:29,642 --> 00:13:32,312 which covered her mouth and nose, 243 00:13:32,437 --> 00:13:35,857 indicating that she had probably been suffocated. 244 00:13:35,982 --> 00:13:41,070 Her right breast had been cut completely in half 245 00:13:41,071 --> 00:13:43,197 from the bottom side up. 246 00:13:43,198 --> 00:13:46,158 She had a stab mark in the neck, 247 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,619 she had stab mark in her stomach, 248 00:13:48,620 --> 00:13:51,914 and her private parts had also been stabbed. 249 00:13:51,915 --> 00:13:55,210 The violence seemed 250 00:13:55,335 --> 00:13:58,379 very similar to the violence that 251 00:13:58,380 --> 00:14:01,382 we had witnessed with Fathyma Vann. 252 00:14:01,383 --> 00:14:05,178 It appeared that our suspect, whoever it was, 253 00:14:05,303 --> 00:14:06,845 was very methodical 254 00:14:06,846 --> 00:14:12,434 and got personal gratification by being this evil. 255 00:14:12,435 --> 00:14:16,523 It must have been a horrific, horrific death. 256 00:14:18,525 --> 00:14:23,821 They had family show up and identified both of them. 257 00:14:23,822 --> 00:14:25,323 Carol was anorexic. 258 00:14:25,448 --> 00:14:28,535 She weighed about 90 pounds. 259 00:14:28,660 --> 00:14:31,371 And Eva's life was just kind of maintaining 260 00:14:31,496 --> 00:14:35,332 and trying to keep her daughter alive and happy. 261 00:14:35,333 --> 00:14:38,377 They lived a very secluded life, 262 00:14:38,378 --> 00:14:40,380 private life. 263 00:14:40,505 --> 00:14:44,884 The house itself was jam-packed with items purchased 264 00:14:45,009 --> 00:14:46,928 on the shopping network. 265 00:14:47,512 --> 00:14:53,059 Detectives come across a diary that Carol kept, 266 00:14:53,184 --> 00:14:55,270 and the last entry was on April 23rd. 267 00:14:55,395 --> 00:14:57,354 It indicated that this might have happened 268 00:14:57,355 --> 00:14:59,399 three days earlier. 269 00:15:00,775 --> 00:15:02,568 As police go through the home, 270 00:15:02,569 --> 00:15:04,862 they find a stack of letters. 271 00:15:04,863 --> 00:15:07,240 As they're going through the letters, 272 00:15:07,365 --> 00:15:09,116 they notice a big "C" stamp on there, 273 00:15:09,117 --> 00:15:11,452 for, like, "correctional facility." 274 00:15:11,453 --> 00:15:13,079 And that tells detectives 275 00:15:13,204 --> 00:15:15,831 that there's some sort of letter-writing correspondence 276 00:15:15,832 --> 00:15:20,295 going on between this household and someone who's in prison. 277 00:15:20,420 --> 00:15:22,087 The investigators were going through the letters 278 00:15:22,088 --> 00:15:27,051 to see who they were written by and quickly got a name. 279 00:15:27,052 --> 00:15:30,429 Phillip Jablonski. 280 00:15:30,430 --> 00:15:34,683 Why is this inmate writing letters to these people? 281 00:15:34,684 --> 00:15:39,688 We found out from one of the relatives of Carol and Eva 282 00:15:39,689 --> 00:15:45,986 that Carol started a pen pal relationship with Mr. Jablonski. 283 00:15:45,987 --> 00:15:49,491 She was writing to him as a part of a religious program. 284 00:15:50,033 --> 00:15:52,868 I believe that she was thinking that she could help him, 285 00:15:52,869 --> 00:15:57,499 she could help save his soul and make him a better person. 286 00:15:57,624 --> 00:16:00,168 The early letters were very sweet and nice, 287 00:16:00,293 --> 00:16:02,671 and she called him "my big bear." 288 00:16:02,796 --> 00:16:06,215 Carol was sort of a lonely heart of sorts. 289 00:16:06,216 --> 00:16:08,718 She had not been married before. 290 00:16:09,302 --> 00:16:13,764 And she was clearly not a strong personality, easy to manipulate. 291 00:16:13,765 --> 00:16:16,309 You can see in the letters 292 00:16:16,434 --> 00:16:19,354 that he was becoming more attached to her 293 00:16:19,479 --> 00:16:21,188 and more fixated on her. 294 00:16:21,189 --> 00:16:23,483 Her family told us, 295 00:16:23,608 --> 00:16:28,363 in 1982 Carol actually went to San Quentin Prison 296 00:16:28,488 --> 00:16:30,156 and married Mr. Jablonski. 297 00:16:31,825 --> 00:16:34,869 Her family members were appalled when they realized 298 00:16:34,995 --> 00:16:38,247 that she had been corresponding with an inmate 299 00:16:38,248 --> 00:16:42,751 and then marrying him. 300 00:16:42,752 --> 00:16:47,506 I got one of my partners to do a workup about Jablonski. 301 00:16:47,507 --> 00:16:51,511 And they found out that he was a convicted murderer. 302 00:16:51,636 --> 00:16:55,223 Jablonski had been arrested back in 1978 303 00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:59,519 for killing his first wife, Linda Kimball, by strangulation. 304 00:17:00,687 --> 00:17:03,814 He brutalized her. He beat her. 305 00:17:03,815 --> 00:17:08,777 He strangled her with a belt so tight 306 00:17:08,778 --> 00:17:12,072 that they could not undo it. 307 00:17:12,073 --> 00:17:15,200 They had to cut it off at the autopsy. 308 00:17:15,201 --> 00:17:20,415 This is obviously a man out for anger and vengeance. 309 00:17:20,540 --> 00:17:22,916 The next step in the investigation is, 310 00:17:22,917 --> 00:17:25,128 let's find out where is he today. 311 00:17:28,715 --> 00:17:31,468 I immediately called Jablonski's parole officer. 312 00:17:31,593 --> 00:17:36,597 He told me Phillip Jablonski was released in 1990. 313 00:17:36,598 --> 00:17:38,682 He said that his wife, Carol Spadoni, 314 00:17:38,683 --> 00:17:40,769 was afraid of him. 315 00:17:40,894 --> 00:17:43,605 She didn't want him anywhere near her. 316 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:47,651 So he had to be paroled back into Riverside County. 317 00:17:50,653 --> 00:17:53,114 So he is out of prison. 318 00:17:53,239 --> 00:17:57,618 We also found that he had been given a moving citation 319 00:17:57,619 --> 00:18:00,788 by one of our traffic officers in Burlingame 320 00:18:00,789 --> 00:18:06,419 three days earlier, on April 23rd of 1991. 321 00:18:07,212 --> 00:18:11,466 So we knew that Jablonski was at least in town on that date 322 00:18:11,591 --> 00:18:16,179 and could have very well killed Carol and Eva. 323 00:18:17,389 --> 00:18:20,099 The parole agent told me that Jablonski was going 324 00:18:20,100 --> 00:18:23,645 to College of the Desert and taking automotive classes. 325 00:18:24,187 --> 00:18:29,609 Jablonski and Fathyma Vann were in the same class together, 326 00:18:29,734 --> 00:18:34,113 so we had linked Jablonski up with Fathyma Vann. 327 00:18:34,114 --> 00:18:36,198 The parole officer hadn't had any contact 328 00:18:36,199 --> 00:18:38,659 with him since the 23rd. 329 00:18:38,660 --> 00:18:42,705 There was a 500-mile distance between Indio 330 00:18:42,706 --> 00:18:44,290 and the city of Burlingame. 331 00:18:44,416 --> 00:18:46,125 It's very possible that this suspect 332 00:18:46,126 --> 00:18:50,505 could have killed Fathyma Vann April 22nd 333 00:18:50,630 --> 00:18:55,092 and had driven up and killed Carol and Eva 334 00:18:55,093 --> 00:18:57,386 later the next day. 335 00:18:57,387 --> 00:18:59,555 I said to the parole officer, 336 00:18:59,556 --> 00:19:00,973 "Do you have a picture of this guy?" 337 00:19:00,974 --> 00:19:04,685 "Yeah, I do." So I go get that picture. 338 00:19:04,686 --> 00:19:09,898 And I go take it to Yolanda. 339 00:19:09,899 --> 00:19:12,151 When I first seen the picture of him, 340 00:19:12,152 --> 00:19:16,447 I said that was the odd person that had been around us, 341 00:19:16,448 --> 00:19:19,534 that had gave me a bad vibe. 342 00:19:19,659 --> 00:19:22,619 And I told my sister, "That's a mug shot." 343 00:19:22,620 --> 00:19:24,705 He's already done something. 344 00:19:24,706 --> 00:19:29,085 With my intuition, I knew. It had to be him. 345 00:19:29,669 --> 00:19:31,588 The detectives want to find this guy. 346 00:19:33,173 --> 00:19:34,591 Where is he? 347 00:19:37,218 --> 00:19:39,053 The Indio Police Department 348 00:19:39,054 --> 00:19:42,097 are looking into Phillip Carl Jablonski 349 00:19:42,098 --> 00:19:47,937 for the murder and mutilation of Fathyma Vann. 350 00:19:48,063 --> 00:19:49,230 But at the same time, 351 00:19:49,356 --> 00:19:52,817 law enforcement in Burlingame, California, 352 00:19:52,942 --> 00:19:55,319 found correspondence between Carol Spadoni-- 353 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:58,615 one of their victims-- and Phillip Jablonski 354 00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:00,950 while he's in prison. 355 00:20:01,951 --> 00:20:02,993 I would say we've probably found 356 00:20:02,994 --> 00:20:06,330 50 to 60 letters in the house. 357 00:20:06,331 --> 00:20:08,749 Carol must have saved everything. 358 00:20:08,750 --> 00:20:12,545 Their initial correspondence was quite affectionate 359 00:20:12,671 --> 00:20:14,506 and pleasant. 360 00:20:14,631 --> 00:20:20,260 But over time, his writing to her became more sexual. 361 00:20:20,261 --> 00:20:25,224 This scared her, and as she began to reject him, 362 00:20:25,225 --> 00:20:27,684 he became more aggressive 363 00:20:27,685 --> 00:20:31,356 and then eventually sexually aggressive in his letters. 364 00:20:33,108 --> 00:20:35,943 Although they were married, 365 00:20:35,944 --> 00:20:40,824 she rejected about 13 of the conjugal visits. 366 00:20:40,949 --> 00:20:42,617 Jablonski was not happy 367 00:20:42,742 --> 00:20:46,830 when Carol rejected his kind offers to come 368 00:20:46,955 --> 00:20:49,082 for a conjugal visit. 369 00:20:49,207 --> 00:20:52,042 He didn't like rejection, especially from a woman. 370 00:20:52,043 --> 00:20:54,420 It made him furious. 371 00:20:54,421 --> 00:20:57,048 His letters began to get angrier. 372 00:20:57,173 --> 00:21:00,552 And then he started writing her mother, Eva. 373 00:21:02,429 --> 00:21:05,055 And he's talking sexually to her. 374 00:21:05,056 --> 00:21:07,057 I think that's when they both 375 00:21:07,058 --> 00:21:08,685 became really kind of afraid of him. 376 00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:12,814 But they didn't think he was ever gonna get out of prison. 377 00:21:12,939 --> 00:21:17,694 So everything was fine until it came time for him to be paroled. 378 00:21:21,698 --> 00:21:23,324 The investigation continued. 379 00:21:23,325 --> 00:21:26,160 Detectives went to that automotive class 380 00:21:26,161 --> 00:21:29,413 where Fathyma Vann met Phillip Jablonski. 381 00:21:29,414 --> 00:21:32,083 The detective said it was a stipulation of the parole 382 00:21:32,208 --> 00:21:34,752 was he had to take college classes, 383 00:21:34,753 --> 00:21:37,212 and he enrolled three weeks late into the class 384 00:21:37,213 --> 00:21:40,633 and then got teamed up with my mother by the instructor. 385 00:21:41,176 --> 00:21:42,801 Several of the students recalled 386 00:21:42,802 --> 00:21:46,722 that Jablonski had asked Fathyma Vann out on a date. 387 00:21:46,723 --> 00:21:48,850 She never went out with him. 388 00:21:48,975 --> 00:21:51,435 She treated him like he was a classmate, and she was pleasant. 389 00:21:51,436 --> 00:21:53,229 They were in class. It was business. 390 00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:56,274 The detectives see a familiar pattern 391 00:21:56,399 --> 00:21:58,359 with Phillip Jablonski-- 392 00:21:58,360 --> 00:22:01,779 revenge on women who rejected him. 393 00:22:01,780 --> 00:22:03,405 Sexual offenders, 394 00:22:03,406 --> 00:22:05,324 one of the scripts that they may have 395 00:22:05,325 --> 00:22:09,578 is that they are entitled to sexual access to women, 396 00:22:09,579 --> 00:22:11,455 and when they don't experience that, 397 00:22:11,456 --> 00:22:15,042 they can feel a sense of humiliation 398 00:22:15,043 --> 00:22:19,214 and then wanting to regain that power, perhaps by revenge. 399 00:22:20,673 --> 00:22:24,134 At the class, they found a student that saw 400 00:22:24,135 --> 00:22:27,054 Jablonski and Fathyma Vann drive off together 401 00:22:27,055 --> 00:22:29,640 'cause Jablonski was giving her a ride home. 402 00:22:29,641 --> 00:22:35,145 He specifically recalled that it was April 22nd, 403 00:22:35,146 --> 00:22:36,647 the night she died. 404 00:22:36,648 --> 00:22:38,400 Now the police know that Jablonski 405 00:22:38,525 --> 00:22:42,152 is the guy they want to find for the Fathyma Vann murder as well. 406 00:22:42,153 --> 00:22:44,781 This was a whodunit for three days, 407 00:22:44,906 --> 00:22:51,121 and after three days it was a hunt for Phillip Jablonski. 408 00:22:52,580 --> 00:22:56,501 But police aren't really sure where Jablonski is. 409 00:22:58,294 --> 00:23:02,172 He lived at a halfway house with several other parolees. 410 00:23:02,173 --> 00:23:04,467 The investigators see if Jablonski 411 00:23:04,592 --> 00:23:08,095 had driven back to Indio, to his home, 412 00:23:08,096 --> 00:23:11,141 but there was no signs of Jablonski 413 00:23:11,266 --> 00:23:13,143 and no signs of his car. 414 00:23:14,769 --> 00:23:16,228 The manager lets us in. 415 00:23:16,229 --> 00:23:21,275 Inside Philip Jablonski's room was a trove of evidence. 416 00:23:21,276 --> 00:23:24,029 There was bloody clothing, several pieces. 417 00:23:24,154 --> 00:23:28,324 There was letters, an address book. 418 00:23:28,325 --> 00:23:29,909 Lots of pen pals names on it. 419 00:23:30,035 --> 00:23:32,954 There appeared to be a plan to murder, 420 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:35,664 mutilate, and sexually abuse these women. 421 00:23:35,665 --> 00:23:39,376 He's killed four women that we know of. 422 00:23:39,377 --> 00:23:43,547 He killed three in less than 48 hours. 423 00:23:43,548 --> 00:23:47,344 He was on the run, had a three-day head start, 424 00:23:47,469 --> 00:23:50,555 and we had no idea where he was going. 425 00:23:51,306 --> 00:23:52,807 How can we get him quickly? 426 00:23:52,932 --> 00:23:55,894 Because we don't know what sort of a killing spree 427 00:23:56,019 --> 00:23:57,644 he will continue to be on. 428 00:23:57,645 --> 00:24:00,564 We worry about women out there 429 00:24:00,565 --> 00:24:04,277 and what family could possibly lose a loved one 430 00:24:04,402 --> 00:24:06,529 because we're not able to find him yet? 431 00:24:10,659 --> 00:24:13,036 We are hunting a serial killer. 432 00:24:13,161 --> 00:24:15,789 The police know that Jablonski is the guy they want to find 433 00:24:15,914 --> 00:24:18,374 for the murders of Fathyma Vann, 434 00:24:18,375 --> 00:24:20,918 Carol Spadoni, and Eva Petersen. 435 00:24:20,919 --> 00:24:22,921 And because of the traffic violation, 436 00:24:23,046 --> 00:24:25,172 they know what kind of car he has. 437 00:24:25,173 --> 00:24:27,926 It's a 1965 Ford Fairlane. 438 00:24:28,051 --> 00:24:31,845 We were able to put his vehicle 439 00:24:31,846 --> 00:24:35,766 into the national system as a wanted homicide vehicle. 440 00:24:35,767 --> 00:24:39,019 This driver may be armed and dangerous. 441 00:24:39,020 --> 00:24:44,025 Meanwhile, investigators begin to research 442 00:24:44,150 --> 00:24:46,111 Philip Jablonski's life. 443 00:24:47,153 --> 00:24:51,365 Jablonski was born on January 3rd of 1946. 444 00:24:51,366 --> 00:24:55,787 He was the second youngest of six children. 445 00:24:55,912 --> 00:24:58,998 By all accounts, his father abused alcohol 446 00:24:58,999 --> 00:25:01,375 and was an extremely violent man. 447 00:25:01,376 --> 00:25:07,090 He took out his rage and engaged in a lot of violence 448 00:25:07,215 --> 00:25:12,010 towards his wife, but also towards his children. 449 00:25:12,011 --> 00:25:14,346 There were occasions when Jablonski tried to stand up 450 00:25:14,347 --> 00:25:17,057 and defend his mother, but that didn't stop anything. 451 00:25:17,058 --> 00:25:18,809 And in fact, the father would just 452 00:25:18,810 --> 00:25:21,229 beat the hell out of him for doing it. 453 00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:26,608 He was known as a sickly child who was crying all the time. 454 00:25:26,609 --> 00:25:28,445 Clearly problems. 455 00:25:28,570 --> 00:25:30,280 As a teen, it was noted 456 00:25:30,405 --> 00:25:33,449 that Jablonski seemed to be more interested in sex 457 00:25:33,450 --> 00:25:35,869 than his peer group, 458 00:25:35,994 --> 00:25:41,665 and he really felt the need to have his sexual needs met. 459 00:25:41,666 --> 00:25:44,168 There was a belief 460 00:25:44,169 --> 00:25:46,920 that Jablonski was developing sexual deviancy, 461 00:25:46,921 --> 00:25:50,090 that he was coming on to sisters in the family. 462 00:25:50,091 --> 00:25:56,264 This guy has a very sick and twisted relationship with women. 463 00:25:57,557 --> 00:26:02,269 In 1966, Jablonski enlisted in the army. 464 00:26:02,270 --> 00:26:04,272 Jablonski would tell everybody who would listen 465 00:26:04,397 --> 00:26:07,359 that he was in Vietnam, that he was a tunnel rat, 466 00:26:07,484 --> 00:26:09,653 that he had won all these medals, 467 00:26:09,778 --> 00:26:11,195 that he had been a hero. 468 00:26:11,196 --> 00:26:14,699 None of that was true. He never left the States. 469 00:26:16,201 --> 00:26:20,580 It's 1968, and Jablonski gets married to a young woman. 470 00:26:20,705 --> 00:26:22,664 And as would be a pattern throughout his life, 471 00:26:22,665 --> 00:26:24,751 he was abusive to her, hurt her. 472 00:26:24,876 --> 00:26:26,960 And she ultimately said enough's enough, 473 00:26:26,961 --> 00:26:28,128 and she got out of there. 474 00:26:28,129 --> 00:26:31,965 In 1972, we found that Jablonski 475 00:26:31,966 --> 00:26:33,760 had assaulted another woman by knifepoint, 476 00:26:33,885 --> 00:26:35,428 trying to rape her. 477 00:26:35,553 --> 00:26:39,224 He was arrested, and he got three years for that crime. 478 00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:44,437 In February of 1977 Jablonski is out of prison, 479 00:26:44,562 --> 00:26:48,024 and he met Linda Kimball, and they get married. 480 00:26:48,149 --> 00:26:52,820 He brutally killed her because she rejected him, 481 00:26:52,821 --> 00:26:55,322 because she said, "We are done." 482 00:26:55,323 --> 00:26:59,160 Despite the incredible violence of this crime, 483 00:26:59,285 --> 00:27:01,495 he gets a sweetheart plea-bargain deal 484 00:27:01,496 --> 00:27:05,000 to second-degree murder, and he only gets seven years. 485 00:27:05,125 --> 00:27:08,545 When he was in prison for murdering Linda Kimball, 486 00:27:08,670 --> 00:27:10,963 he is writing letters to Carol Spadoni. 487 00:27:10,964 --> 00:27:14,842 He needs a woman. He cannot be by himself. 488 00:27:14,843 --> 00:27:18,012 He's got to have someone to control and be with. 489 00:27:19,597 --> 00:27:21,307 We worked all weekend. 490 00:27:21,433 --> 00:27:26,520 Meanwhile, a Kansas state trooper was on patrol. 491 00:27:26,521 --> 00:27:31,608 He saw a man in a rest stop with California plates, 492 00:27:31,609 --> 00:27:33,903 and the hood was up on the car. 493 00:27:34,654 --> 00:27:38,450 He runs the plates and gets immediate serious hit. 494 00:27:40,326 --> 00:27:46,540 This guy, Phillip Jablonski, is wanted for murder. 495 00:27:46,541 --> 00:27:47,958 He's arrested at the scene. 496 00:27:47,959 --> 00:27:50,795 He doesn't create any problems. 497 00:27:50,920 --> 00:27:53,548 He knows it's up for him. 498 00:27:53,673 --> 00:27:57,051 And he's taken to McPherson County Jail. 499 00:27:57,052 --> 00:28:00,971 When I heard that Phillip was arrested. 500 00:28:00,972 --> 00:28:02,348 I was excited that they caught him. 501 00:28:02,474 --> 00:28:05,143 I celebrated when I heard it. 502 00:28:08,229 --> 00:28:11,148 We still had a lot more investigation to do. 503 00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:16,320 We knew Jablonski had driven from California to Kansas. 504 00:28:16,321 --> 00:28:19,157 We wanted to check and see if there was any other victims. 505 00:28:20,033 --> 00:28:22,993 That's when I got a call 506 00:28:22,994 --> 00:28:26,748 that there is another murder in Utah. 507 00:28:27,290 --> 00:28:30,043 The victim fits with the pattern that he has shown 508 00:28:30,168 --> 00:28:32,712 and fits with his drive across country. 509 00:28:38,093 --> 00:28:40,887 There was a little gas station convenience store 510 00:28:41,012 --> 00:28:42,554 called Rogers Roost 511 00:28:42,555 --> 00:28:47,559 in a small desert town called Thompson Springs, Utah. 512 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,479 And it was run by Margie Rogers. 513 00:28:49,604 --> 00:28:52,856 She was 59 years old. 514 00:28:52,857 --> 00:28:54,274 In the very early morning, 515 00:28:54,275 --> 00:28:57,696 she was found by a customer who came in 516 00:28:57,821 --> 00:28:59,364 and found her dead on the floor. 517 00:29:01,157 --> 00:29:03,992 They discovered that the cash register had been emptied, 518 00:29:03,993 --> 00:29:06,412 and the woman had been shot and killed 519 00:29:06,413 --> 00:29:09,832 with a small-caliber weapon, probably a .22. 520 00:29:09,833 --> 00:29:11,000 And there was some indication 521 00:29:11,126 --> 00:29:13,168 that the suspect, at the very minimum, 522 00:29:13,169 --> 00:29:17,297 had pulled her bra up over her breasts and fondled them. 523 00:29:17,298 --> 00:29:20,801 And they thought, "Maybe this guy Jablonski did this," 524 00:29:20,802 --> 00:29:22,470 because our victims had been killed 525 00:29:22,595 --> 00:29:25,973 with a small-caliber handgun and had been sexually assaulted. 526 00:29:25,974 --> 00:29:29,810 But they knew that he had come through Utah 527 00:29:29,811 --> 00:29:32,814 to get to where he was when he got stopped. 528 00:29:33,565 --> 00:29:37,568 We need to see if he had anything to do with that crime, 529 00:29:37,569 --> 00:29:40,070 and we don't know how many more there's gonna be 530 00:29:40,071 --> 00:29:43,574 or how many others that we don't know about at this point. 531 00:29:43,575 --> 00:29:49,246 Jablonski was doing what he wants to live his fantasies 532 00:29:49,247 --> 00:29:52,750 and to exact revenge onto the women 533 00:29:52,751 --> 00:29:55,420 who he felt humiliated him. 534 00:29:58,089 --> 00:30:02,051 Mark and I flew to Kansas to talk to Jablonski. 535 00:30:02,052 --> 00:30:05,221 We needed more evidence to make sure 536 00:30:05,346 --> 00:30:08,475 that we could get a conviction for these murders. 537 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:10,267 We need to find out, 538 00:30:10,268 --> 00:30:15,898 did he kill Margie Rogers at a convenience store in Utah? 539 00:30:15,899 --> 00:30:19,026 Mark and I both walked into the interview room 540 00:30:19,027 --> 00:30:20,445 where Jablonski was sitting. 541 00:30:22,822 --> 00:30:24,991 He's a big man. Tall. 542 00:30:25,116 --> 00:30:27,868 6'4", 250-plus pounds. 543 00:30:27,869 --> 00:30:30,329 He had big, big, dark eyes. 544 00:30:30,330 --> 00:30:33,165 And they looked right through you. 545 00:30:33,166 --> 00:30:36,961 I found him more revolting than I did intimidating. 546 00:30:38,338 --> 00:30:41,466 We started asking about Fathyma. 547 00:30:47,889 --> 00:30:49,724 He was talkative about anything 548 00:30:49,849 --> 00:30:52,477 that we wanted to talk about, except for the crime scene. 549 00:31:00,443 --> 00:31:04,154 We spent about an hour with him in an interview room. 550 00:31:04,155 --> 00:31:06,700 But every time we got around to 551 00:31:06,825 --> 00:31:08,492 talking anything about the crime, 552 00:31:08,493 --> 00:31:11,287 he would say, "I don't want to talk about it." 553 00:31:11,871 --> 00:31:15,500 It was fruitless as far as evidence is concerned. 554 00:31:15,625 --> 00:31:18,293 We still had a lot of things 555 00:31:18,294 --> 00:31:21,339 to put together before he could be prosecuted. 556 00:31:24,718 --> 00:31:28,345 Our next step after the interview with Philip Jablonski, 557 00:31:28,346 --> 00:31:30,472 we had to look at any evidence 558 00:31:30,473 --> 00:31:34,185 that may link our suspect to other homicides. 559 00:31:34,853 --> 00:31:38,647 The undersheriff showed us what was on Jablonski's person 560 00:31:38,648 --> 00:31:41,775 when he was arrested. 561 00:31:41,776 --> 00:31:44,445 Mark opened his wallet and pulled out 562 00:31:44,446 --> 00:31:47,573 a gasoline credit card in the name of Eva Petersen. 563 00:31:47,574 --> 00:31:50,868 I couldn't believe it. I said, "Oh, my God. 564 00:31:50,869 --> 00:31:52,996 He's got property of one of the victims on him." 565 00:31:54,998 --> 00:31:56,582 We also found an ID 566 00:31:56,583 --> 00:31:58,876 with Fathyma Vann's picture on it. 567 00:31:58,877 --> 00:32:01,296 Perhaps a trophy. 568 00:32:01,421 --> 00:32:03,631 But there was absolutely nothing 569 00:32:03,757 --> 00:32:06,718 that would identify Margie Rogers. 570 00:32:08,011 --> 00:32:09,137 A short time later, 571 00:32:09,262 --> 00:32:11,013 they processed the car from the outside, 572 00:32:11,014 --> 00:32:13,058 and now they opened the doors. 573 00:32:13,183 --> 00:32:16,978 Under the front seat is a loaded ...22-caliber revolver. 574 00:32:17,103 --> 00:32:20,440 A little Saturday night special is what they used to call them. 575 00:32:20,565 --> 00:32:24,736 All of our victims had been killed with .22-caliber bullets. 576 00:32:26,404 --> 00:32:28,448 When we pull the seat forward, 577 00:32:28,573 --> 00:32:32,701 the driver's seat and the seat back itself 578 00:32:32,702 --> 00:32:36,081 had blood stains straight down the seats. 579 00:32:36,581 --> 00:32:38,749 We instantly knew at that point, 580 00:32:38,750 --> 00:32:42,336 oh, man, this is the Fathyma Vann crime scene. 581 00:32:42,337 --> 00:32:44,839 All we had to do was match the blood. 582 00:32:45,465 --> 00:32:47,674 One of the technicians reached in the back 583 00:32:47,675 --> 00:32:50,512 and pulled this belt out that looked like a rattlesnake. 584 00:32:50,637 --> 00:32:52,596 It was obviously handmade. 585 00:32:52,597 --> 00:32:56,892 And on the back there were several names written in ink 586 00:32:56,893 --> 00:32:58,186 with dates of death. 587 00:32:58,311 --> 00:33:01,189 And the names on there were Fathyma Vann, 588 00:33:01,314 --> 00:33:05,610 Carol Spadoni, and Eva Petersen. 589 00:33:05,735 --> 00:33:08,612 In addition to our three California victims 590 00:33:08,613 --> 00:33:10,448 was another name with a date. 591 00:33:10,573 --> 00:33:13,867 The name was "elderly woman," not specified, 592 00:33:13,868 --> 00:33:17,246 and with the date of the 27th. 593 00:33:17,247 --> 00:33:20,082 Margie Rogers had been killed 594 00:33:20,083 --> 00:33:22,043 on the 27th of April... 595 00:33:23,253 --> 00:33:25,171 ...which immediately we said, 596 00:33:25,296 --> 00:33:29,633 oh, my God, he's responsible for the fifth killing in Utah 597 00:33:29,634 --> 00:33:33,555 two days after he killed the women in Burlingame. 598 00:33:35,515 --> 00:33:37,142 And then there's two more names. 599 00:33:37,267 --> 00:33:40,603 There's no month or a day. 600 00:33:41,062 --> 00:33:46,192 Are they next, or were they some that didn't get found? 601 00:33:46,317 --> 00:33:48,736 While the belt is damning information, 602 00:33:48,737 --> 00:33:51,072 while the credit cards are damning information, 603 00:33:51,197 --> 00:33:53,241 while the notebooks with death dates on them 604 00:33:53,366 --> 00:33:56,869 are clear strong evidence, 605 00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:59,788 the best thing of all they find in the car 606 00:33:59,789 --> 00:34:02,167 is a tape recorder and tapes. 607 00:34:02,292 --> 00:34:03,877 We listened to the tape. 608 00:34:04,002 --> 00:34:09,381 It began with, "My first victim was Fathyma Vann. 609 00:34:09,382 --> 00:34:13,470 She was about 5'4", 130 pounds." 610 00:34:13,595 --> 00:34:16,681 On the tape, he describes killing her in the car. 611 00:34:39,913 --> 00:34:43,792 When I heard that tape, it sent chills up my spine. 612 00:34:43,917 --> 00:34:47,961 Jablonski was journaling his latest murder spree. 613 00:34:47,962 --> 00:34:51,466 It clearly showed clarity of thought-- 614 00:34:51,591 --> 00:34:54,343 evil thought, but clarity of it. 615 00:34:54,344 --> 00:34:59,599 This tape was being recorded as we moved along his trip 616 00:34:59,724 --> 00:35:01,393 from Riverside County 617 00:35:01,518 --> 00:35:04,311 all the way through until he got stopped, 618 00:35:04,312 --> 00:35:06,690 where he would stop at rest stops and eyeball women 619 00:35:06,815 --> 00:35:10,193 going in and out of the ladies rooms. 620 00:35:18,243 --> 00:35:21,995 He's describing a rest stop that he stopped at. 621 00:35:21,996 --> 00:35:25,916 And what his plan was, was to grab a woman who was there, 622 00:35:25,917 --> 00:35:28,335 sexually assault her and murder her. 623 00:35:28,336 --> 00:35:31,047 He had the plan for that and was looking right at her. 624 00:35:31,172 --> 00:35:34,926 Who is this person? Is she from the death belt? 625 00:35:41,516 --> 00:35:43,518 But she got away. 626 00:35:43,643 --> 00:35:47,731 She was able to jump in her car and drive off. 627 00:35:47,856 --> 00:35:50,191 But that was clearly the next notch on his belt. 628 00:35:51,443 --> 00:35:57,365 He gave his full details of how he killed a Carol and Eva. 629 00:36:37,447 --> 00:36:39,656 He was tape-recording himself 630 00:36:39,657 --> 00:36:42,242 because that was part of his fantasy. 631 00:36:42,243 --> 00:36:44,286 By listening to that audio recording, 632 00:36:44,287 --> 00:36:47,623 he can continue to relive it. 633 00:36:47,624 --> 00:36:49,876 And then Phillip Jablonski described 634 00:36:50,001 --> 00:36:51,669 how he went into the convenience store 635 00:36:51,670 --> 00:36:53,922 and shot and killed Margie Rogers. 636 00:37:11,940 --> 00:37:14,109 If there was ever any question about, 637 00:37:14,234 --> 00:37:17,696 "Do we really think we have the right guy?" 638 00:37:17,821 --> 00:37:20,864 this tape sent that concern out the window. 639 00:37:20,865 --> 00:37:23,785 The investigation wasn't done. 640 00:37:23,910 --> 00:37:26,913 We have a belt with an unknown name on it. 641 00:37:27,038 --> 00:37:31,001 And Jablonski had other pen pals, not just Carol. 642 00:37:31,126 --> 00:37:32,752 We felt it was important to find out 643 00:37:32,877 --> 00:37:34,754 if these women were indeed still alive. 644 00:37:34,879 --> 00:37:38,299 Our parole agent had gone to Phillip Jablonski's 645 00:37:38,425 --> 00:37:39,843 post office box 646 00:37:39,968 --> 00:37:42,886 and had retrieved a letter from a woman 647 00:37:42,887 --> 00:37:44,638 whose name was on that belt. 648 00:37:44,639 --> 00:37:47,142 The immediate concern was, 649 00:37:47,267 --> 00:37:48,726 has there been contact with them? 650 00:37:48,727 --> 00:37:51,312 And could she already be dead? 651 00:37:54,482 --> 00:37:57,027 While Jablonski was in prison, 652 00:37:57,152 --> 00:37:59,903 he had established additional pen pal relationships 653 00:37:59,904 --> 00:38:03,198 with at least two other women who lived in other states. 654 00:38:03,199 --> 00:38:04,992 So police are now in a frantic state 655 00:38:04,993 --> 00:38:07,287 to, like, find these women. 656 00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:11,373 We sent the local police over there to do a welfare check. 657 00:38:11,374 --> 00:38:13,501 Luckily, both women were alive. 658 00:38:14,461 --> 00:38:16,171 But one of the women said 659 00:38:16,296 --> 00:38:18,213 that she was planning to meet with him, 660 00:38:18,214 --> 00:38:21,009 that he was talking about coming to visit her. 661 00:38:21,134 --> 00:38:25,888 So he was on his way to at least one of them 662 00:38:25,889 --> 00:38:26,973 in Knoxville, Tennessee. 663 00:38:27,098 --> 00:38:30,226 When they found out he was a murderer, 664 00:38:30,351 --> 00:38:32,812 they were flabbergasted. 665 00:38:32,937 --> 00:38:34,605 At that point, 666 00:38:34,606 --> 00:38:36,774 we felt that there was no other victims 667 00:38:36,775 --> 00:38:39,027 because there was no other names on the belt 668 00:38:39,152 --> 00:38:41,612 and no other names on the tape recording 669 00:38:41,613 --> 00:38:44,366 that he was doing as he went along. 670 00:38:46,201 --> 00:38:48,328 The evidence that we collected from the car 671 00:38:48,453 --> 00:38:51,289 was brought back here to our crime lab. 672 00:38:51,414 --> 00:38:54,500 The blood on the side of the driver's seat 673 00:38:54,501 --> 00:38:57,127 came back to match Fathyma Vann's. 674 00:38:57,128 --> 00:39:00,923 Our crime lab compared the .22-caliber handgun 675 00:39:00,924 --> 00:39:02,549 that Jablonski kept in the car 676 00:39:02,550 --> 00:39:08,138 to the bullets that had been fired into our victims, 677 00:39:08,139 --> 00:39:11,683 and it was a perfect match. 678 00:39:11,684 --> 00:39:16,563 Jablonski was indicted on June 4th of 1991. 679 00:39:16,564 --> 00:39:18,358 It was decided 680 00:39:18,483 --> 00:39:20,275 that San Mateo County district attorney 681 00:39:20,276 --> 00:39:24,364 was going to be the first to try Mr. Jablonski 682 00:39:24,489 --> 00:39:29,703 for the murders of Eva Petersen and Carol Spadoni. 683 00:39:29,828 --> 00:39:32,372 We just felt ours was the most straightforward. 684 00:39:32,497 --> 00:39:37,334 His attorneys argued that he was not competent to stand trial. 685 00:39:37,335 --> 00:39:39,337 The defense really keyed on the fact 686 00:39:39,462 --> 00:39:41,714 that he had a severe personality disorder. 687 00:39:41,715 --> 00:39:43,967 And as the prosecutor side of it, 688 00:39:44,092 --> 00:39:48,430 we weren't fighting that he had mental illness or illnesses. 689 00:39:48,555 --> 00:39:49,889 We just said that didn't change 690 00:39:50,014 --> 00:39:51,349 that he knew what he was doing. 691 00:39:51,474 --> 00:39:56,604 And that jury found that he was competent to stand trial. 692 00:39:59,274 --> 00:40:01,943 Jablonski was found guilty of first degree murder 693 00:40:02,068 --> 00:40:03,361 of Carol Spadoni 694 00:40:03,486 --> 00:40:08,658 and a first degree murder of Eva Petersen. 695 00:40:09,284 --> 00:40:12,161 And he was given a death sentence for each one. 696 00:40:18,376 --> 00:40:22,547 When it came time for our case with Fathyma Vann, 697 00:40:22,672 --> 00:40:26,091 there was a conscious decision to have him plead guilty 698 00:40:26,092 --> 00:40:28,720 without the possibility of parole. 699 00:40:29,596 --> 00:40:31,889 And that cemented the fact 700 00:40:31,890 --> 00:40:37,062 that he would never be able to kill another woman again. 701 00:40:37,729 --> 00:40:42,149 My sister Michelle went to one of the court hearings. 702 00:40:42,150 --> 00:40:44,486 She told me she saw him, and he said, 703 00:40:44,611 --> 00:40:46,445 "I thought I killed you." 704 00:40:46,446 --> 00:40:49,032 She looks like my mother. 705 00:40:53,620 --> 00:40:57,748 Since he was given two death sentences in California, 706 00:40:57,749 --> 00:41:00,459 Margie Rogers' family just elected 707 00:41:00,460 --> 00:41:03,254 to leave it where it was. 708 00:41:05,173 --> 00:41:06,507 In December of 2019, 709 00:41:06,508 --> 00:41:09,469 Jablonski once again escapes justice. 710 00:41:09,594 --> 00:41:12,972 He dies in San Quentin of natural causes. 711 00:41:18,061 --> 00:41:19,561 Every once in a while, 712 00:41:19,562 --> 00:41:23,357 I still hear portions of those tapes in my head 713 00:41:23,358 --> 00:41:25,609 or in a dream or something. 714 00:41:25,610 --> 00:41:27,861 I just can't understand how someone 715 00:41:27,862 --> 00:41:34,619 who could appear so ordinary be so evil to the core. 716 00:41:37,789 --> 00:41:40,582 You've taken everything, Phillip. 717 00:41:40,583 --> 00:41:42,627 You've taken everything. 718 00:41:43,211 --> 00:41:45,629 And now you're gone. 719 00:41:45,630 --> 00:41:48,716 What about all of the victims? 720 00:41:48,717 --> 00:41:50,510 What about the blood that's left behind? 721 00:41:50,635 --> 00:41:53,888 We're still bleeding, with no justice. 722 00:41:54,014 --> 00:41:57,099 I miss my mother so much. 723 00:41:57,100 --> 00:41:58,727 I can't talk to her. 724 00:42:01,604 --> 00:42:04,566 It's the destruction that never stops giving. 725 00:42:07,193 --> 00:42:09,820 If I could say something to my mom, 726 00:42:09,821 --> 00:42:12,490 then I would say, "Mom, you raised a good one. 727 00:42:12,615 --> 00:42:15,326 I appreciate you for everything that you've done for me 728 00:42:15,327 --> 00:42:17,453 and all the love that you gave me. 729 00:42:17,454 --> 00:42:20,081 It has helped me get through all of this. 730 00:42:20,206 --> 00:42:21,374 It really has. 731 00:42:21,499 --> 00:42:24,960 And I love you so much."