1 00:00:00,184 --> 00:00:02,251 [applause] 2 00:00:06,007 --> 00:00:10,526 I took them where they needed to be. 3 00:00:10,578 --> 00:00:13,579 I went with ogden, and we stopped by a tree. 4 00:00:13,631 --> 00:00:17,166 We had a whole conversation about it. 5 00:00:17,218 --> 00:00:19,284 That was a hatchet. 6 00:00:19,336 --> 00:00:21,553 I know that they took the weapon out of the house. 7 00:00:21,605 --> 00:00:24,389 That was something that I know was still there. 8 00:00:24,391 --> 00:00:26,041 They took all of our weapons. 9 00:00:26,093 --> 00:00:27,843 I know they have that. 10 00:00:27,895 --> 00:00:29,545 I don't think anything was ever tested. 11 00:00:29,597 --> 00:00:34,750 The only thing that was ever tested was the .22 rifle. 12 00:00:34,802 --> 00:00:38,787 My .22 revolver was never tested. 13 00:00:38,839 --> 00:00:41,757 She admitted that she was supposed to kill 14 00:00:41,809 --> 00:00:43,809 Chris regan rather than jason. 15 00:00:43,861 --> 00:00:46,011 We had to make sure that we had everything we needed 16 00:00:46,063 --> 00:00:47,696 To get a murder conviction. 17 00:00:52,503 --> 00:00:55,020 Reporter: Guilty on all counts in the death 18 00:00:55,072 --> 00:00:58,090 Of 53-year-old christopher regan of iron river. 19 00:01:02,012 --> 00:01:03,345 Man: Why do you need it soon? 20 00:01:03,397 --> 00:01:05,447 Everything's for a reason, detective. 21 00:01:05,499 --> 00:01:07,416 She wanted to make sure that she 22 00:01:07,501 --> 00:01:10,819 Could never be charged with another homicide in indiana. 23 00:01:10,871 --> 00:01:12,921 Woman: There's a bag and a composition book. 24 00:01:12,973 --> 00:01:14,273 You can have that. 25 00:01:14,325 --> 00:01:15,424 They're not here. 26 00:01:15,476 --> 00:01:19,078 It says here that these items were released back to mr. 27 00:01:19,130 --> 00:01:20,429 Cheboygan, kelly's father. 28 00:01:27,772 --> 00:01:31,874 Man: There's a guy that was shot and killed in minnesota 29 00:01:31,926 --> 00:01:33,308 Named jason reuter. 30 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:35,310 Jeremy ogden: Kelly's brother identified 31 00:01:35,362 --> 00:01:38,397 Jason reuter as a possible victim of kelly's. 32 00:01:38,449 --> 00:01:39,865 Would he have gone and met with somebody-- 33 00:01:39,917 --> 00:01:40,666 Yeah. 34 00:01:40,718 --> 00:01:42,417 For, like, a weekend getaway kind of thing? 35 00:01:42,470 --> 00:01:43,268 Yes. 36 00:01:43,270 --> 00:01:45,320 You wouldn't see him for three, four, five days. 37 00:01:45,372 --> 00:01:47,106 Jeremy ogden: If we're going to get anything, 38 00:01:47,158 --> 00:01:48,757 Maybe it's going to be today. 39 00:01:48,809 --> 00:01:51,443 Maybe she's going to give us another piece of the puzzle. 40 00:01:51,495 --> 00:01:52,611 Here we go. 41 00:01:52,663 --> 00:01:54,746 Let's see if she'll talk. 42 00:01:54,799 --> 00:01:58,117 I'm over speaking to them because they never 43 00:01:58,169 --> 00:01:59,718 Went about it the right way. 44 00:01:59,737 --> 00:02:00,569 [car door slams] 45 00:02:00,621 --> 00:02:01,420 It's over. 46 00:02:20,207 --> 00:02:23,759 She said she chooses not to speak with me. 47 00:02:23,811 --> 00:02:27,095 They said, you know, if I didn't have a warrant or a subpoena 48 00:02:27,148 --> 00:02:29,731 To actually interview her, that she could refuse. 49 00:02:32,853 --> 00:02:34,052 I didn't either. 50 00:02:34,104 --> 00:02:36,288 It's exactly what I said to him. 51 00:02:36,340 --> 00:02:37,956 It is frustrating for me. 52 00:02:38,008 --> 00:02:39,942 When it's somebody like this, there's a lot of times you're 53 00:02:39,994 --> 00:02:42,044 Not going to get what you want. 54 00:02:42,096 --> 00:02:44,897 She's going to maintain whatever little bit of control 55 00:02:44,949 --> 00:02:48,050 That she can, and the only thing she can do is say, 56 00:02:48,102 --> 00:02:51,520 I'm not going to do it or I'm not going to talk. 57 00:02:51,572 --> 00:02:54,072 I can't even tell you how frustrating this is. 58 00:02:54,124 --> 00:02:56,842 In 2016, when I was investigating the murders 59 00:02:56,894 --> 00:02:58,977 Of chris regan and jason cochran, 60 00:02:59,029 --> 00:03:01,046 I had all of this information that laura 61 00:03:01,098 --> 00:03:03,298 Had gathered up over a year and 10 62 00:03:03,350 --> 00:03:06,468 Months before she even met me. 63 00:03:06,520 --> 00:03:07,836 I had the upper hand. 64 00:03:15,596 --> 00:03:18,997 And now she's refusing to talk to me when 65 00:03:19,049 --> 00:03:21,850 I have additional information. 66 00:03:21,902 --> 00:03:24,286 Maybe she has the upper hand. 67 00:03:24,338 --> 00:03:26,488 This is not where you want to be with kelly, 68 00:03:26,540 --> 00:03:28,257 Not when you need something from her. 69 00:03:28,309 --> 00:03:30,242 Everything's a game to her. 70 00:03:30,294 --> 00:03:34,463 The entire situation is always about control. 71 00:03:34,515 --> 00:03:36,498 And this is the exact same game that she 72 00:03:36,567 --> 00:03:37,449 Played with her husband. 73 00:03:44,525 --> 00:03:45,457 Can we hear each other? 74 00:03:45,509 --> 00:03:46,475 Jeremy ogden: Can you hear me? 75 00:03:46,527 --> 00:03:47,643 Yeah, I can. 76 00:04:02,660 --> 00:04:05,127 You know, like, the thing with jason, 77 00:04:05,179 --> 00:04:06,912 You know, there was a good time. 78 00:04:06,964 --> 00:04:08,680 And I really did care for him. 79 00:04:08,732 --> 00:04:11,266 You know, I'm pretty sure that I-- 80 00:04:11,318 --> 00:04:12,784 I don't know if it was true love, 81 00:04:12,836 --> 00:04:15,604 But I know I was in love with him. 82 00:04:15,656 --> 00:04:21,042 The last thing that I remember that really showed me him was we 83 00:04:21,044 --> 00:04:24,079 Were in the back doorway of the michigan house, 84 00:04:24,131 --> 00:04:26,265 And he had, like, snapped. 85 00:04:26,317 --> 00:04:28,900 And there was a look in his eyes that it 86 00:04:28,953 --> 00:04:30,352 Was just-- it was hollow. 87 00:04:30,404 --> 00:04:33,388 And that wasn't the man that I had loved. 88 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,458 That wasn't the man I knew all these years. 89 00:04:36,510 --> 00:04:40,228 And I don't know if it was, like, a mental health thing. 90 00:04:40,281 --> 00:04:41,129 I don't know-- 91 00:04:41,181 --> 00:04:42,431 I really don't know. 92 00:04:42,483 --> 00:04:46,368 And that bothers me because, you know, I thought I knew him. 93 00:04:46,420 --> 00:04:47,869 And I don't. 94 00:04:47,921 --> 00:04:51,340 I have so many questions, and I'll never get the answers. 95 00:04:51,392 --> 00:04:55,060 I don't know who he truly was. 96 00:04:55,112 --> 00:04:58,714 Laura frizzo: These video chats that our producer has 97 00:04:58,766 --> 00:05:02,734 Had with kelly in the prison, the way she's presenting herself 98 00:05:02,786 --> 00:05:05,354 To him, this isn't even kelly. 99 00:05:05,406 --> 00:05:07,923 This is, like, whoever kelly is trying to be today. 100 00:05:07,975 --> 00:05:11,543 She wants him to believe that she was innocent. 101 00:05:11,595 --> 00:05:14,296 But we know from the chris regan case 102 00:05:14,348 --> 00:05:18,000 That she and jason worked together. 103 00:05:18,052 --> 00:05:21,069 Jason's victims were her victims. 104 00:05:21,121 --> 00:05:25,390 She's very manipulative, and she's enjoying it. 105 00:05:33,500 --> 00:05:38,220 She lies, and I am supposed to believe her. 106 00:05:38,272 --> 00:05:40,038 How do you trust someone who keeps feeding you 107 00:05:40,090 --> 00:05:41,923 Bullshit as if it were candy? 108 00:05:41,975 --> 00:05:44,876 I got hold of the hard drive from the iron river police 109 00:05:44,928 --> 00:05:47,412 Evidence from that first search warrant and kelly 110 00:05:47,464 --> 00:05:49,698 And jason's house in the upper peninsula. 111 00:05:49,750 --> 00:05:53,368 I've been combing through it to see if I can find any old photos 112 00:05:53,420 --> 00:05:56,038 Or emails, anything that could connect kelly 113 00:05:56,073 --> 00:06:00,042 Or jason to a potential victim. 114 00:06:00,094 --> 00:06:02,861 God, there's a ton of documents in here. 115 00:06:02,913 --> 00:06:04,396 Laura frizzo: Let's see what this is. 116 00:06:04,448 --> 00:06:07,799 But I came across something equally as disturbing. 117 00:06:07,851 --> 00:06:08,834 Journal? 118 00:06:08,886 --> 00:06:12,637 This is jason kind of journaling. 119 00:06:17,061 --> 00:06:18,977 [wind whistling faintly] 120 00:06:19,029 --> 00:06:22,347 Feeling hurt and betrayed. 121 00:06:22,399 --> 00:06:24,249 The pain seems to keep growing. 122 00:06:28,005 --> 00:06:32,491 The nightmares are wonderful and awful at the same time. 123 00:06:32,543 --> 00:06:33,859 Jeremy ogden: Every time I close my eyes, 124 00:06:33,911 --> 00:06:37,295 I picture horrible things that I want to do 125 00:06:37,347 --> 00:06:41,199 To this asshole and his family. 126 00:06:41,251 --> 00:06:43,151 But when I awaken, it's only a dream. 127 00:06:43,203 --> 00:06:44,953 The sadness returns. 128 00:06:45,005 --> 00:06:47,305 A few months into our relationship, the sabotage 129 00:06:47,357 --> 00:06:49,224 Began-- 130 00:06:49,276 --> 00:06:52,694 Talking about her cheating and how it was the worst pain 131 00:06:52,746 --> 00:06:54,763 He could ever experience. 132 00:06:54,815 --> 00:06:57,182 All you see is misery in his writing. 133 00:06:57,234 --> 00:07:01,036 I mean, he's just miserable every day. 134 00:07:01,088 --> 00:07:04,539 I still love my wife. 135 00:07:04,591 --> 00:07:07,826 I feel like she treats me like one of her endless scams 136 00:07:07,878 --> 00:07:08,894 She pulls. 137 00:07:08,946 --> 00:07:11,079 [intense tones] 138 00:07:11,131 --> 00:07:12,581 Laura frizzo: I told my wife that betrayed 139 00:07:12,633 --> 00:07:14,499 Me of what I wanted to do. 140 00:07:14,551 --> 00:07:15,917 I was not going to hurt her. 141 00:07:15,969 --> 00:07:20,088 I was going to hurt those that she used to hurt me. 142 00:07:20,140 --> 00:07:24,176 He goes into detail about pulling his pocket knife out, 143 00:07:24,228 --> 00:07:27,262 Seeing the fear in his eyes starting to show, 144 00:07:27,314 --> 00:07:30,615 Grabbing hold of his hair, and cutting a chunk of his scalp 145 00:07:30,667 --> 00:07:31,399 Off. 146 00:07:31,452 --> 00:07:33,118 He screamed and cried, begging for his life. 147 00:07:33,170 --> 00:07:35,303 All I could do was laugh while dangling his hair 148 00:07:35,355 --> 00:07:37,806 And skin in front of him. 149 00:07:37,858 --> 00:07:40,659 I find it hard to believe that he's able to put together 150 00:07:40,711 --> 00:07:43,094 A story like this with this much detail, 151 00:07:43,147 --> 00:07:45,780 Unless he's truly reflecting on a memory. 152 00:07:45,833 --> 00:07:49,534 I could hear the bones and the teeth break. 153 00:07:49,586 --> 00:07:52,237 I mean, he completely describes the changing 154 00:07:52,289 --> 00:07:54,055 Of color of the washrag in his mouth 155 00:07:54,107 --> 00:07:56,191 Due to the blood pouring out. 156 00:07:56,243 --> 00:07:57,159 And look at this part-- 157 00:07:57,211 --> 00:08:01,379 I held the chunk of hair and flesh up to my head, saying, 158 00:08:01,431 --> 00:08:02,230 What do you think? 159 00:08:02,282 --> 00:08:05,700 Do you like me better with or without hair? 160 00:08:05,752 --> 00:08:08,086 Jeremy ogden: His writings basically indicate that jason 161 00:08:08,138 --> 00:08:10,355 Was a violent killer. 162 00:08:10,407 --> 00:08:13,658 But we know that kelly was in control in that relationship. 163 00:08:13,710 --> 00:08:15,760 Even if jason pulled the trigger, 164 00:08:15,812 --> 00:08:18,580 Kelly was the mastermind behind chris regan's murder 165 00:08:18,632 --> 00:08:21,249 And who knows how many others? 166 00:08:21,301 --> 00:08:22,717 The evidence is there. 167 00:08:28,525 --> 00:08:30,492 [slow dramatic music] 168 00:08:42,272 --> 00:08:44,222 [clacking] 169 00:08:46,677 --> 00:08:49,211 She's already injected him. 170 00:08:49,263 --> 00:08:55,116 Probably within 5 to 10 minutes of that, he's in cardiac arrest. 171 00:08:55,168 --> 00:08:58,670 You know, he's on his way to death at that point, 172 00:08:58,722 --> 00:09:01,189 Incapacitated. 173 00:09:01,241 --> 00:09:04,593 And she starts masturbating on the floor. 174 00:09:08,949 --> 00:09:11,600 And all the while, he was looking at her. 175 00:09:11,668 --> 00:09:13,435 That's the start of his death. 176 00:09:13,487 --> 00:09:19,324 That loud snore, to me, that's so indicative of death. 177 00:09:19,376 --> 00:09:21,927 I mean, I've heard it so many times. 178 00:09:21,979 --> 00:09:23,428 I mean, because I've literally walked 179 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,146 In while people were dying. 180 00:09:25,215 --> 00:09:27,432 I think that's why that video is so short, 181 00:09:27,484 --> 00:09:32,437 Because he's like [grunting] 182 00:09:32,506 --> 00:09:33,471 And that's it. 183 00:09:33,523 --> 00:09:36,007 And it's done. 184 00:09:36,093 --> 00:09:38,777 All she had to do was sit back and let him die, 185 00:09:38,829 --> 00:09:41,429 And we wouldn't even be talking about this today. 186 00:09:41,481 --> 00:09:44,983 But that wasn't within her because she's all 187 00:09:45,035 --> 00:09:46,735 About control and manipulation. 188 00:09:46,787 --> 00:09:52,657 And she wanted him to know that he died at her hands. 189 00:09:52,709 --> 00:09:57,762 And she climbed on top of him and suffocated him. 190 00:09:57,814 --> 00:09:59,130 It's pure evil. 191 00:09:59,182 --> 00:10:01,283 That's what it is. 192 00:10:01,335 --> 00:10:05,220 I mean, it's pure evil. 193 00:10:05,272 --> 00:10:09,474 Anyone who looks at that can see within her the amount 194 00:10:09,526 --> 00:10:12,327 Of absolute control that she exerted 195 00:10:12,379 --> 00:10:14,396 Over him in his last moments. 196 00:10:14,448 --> 00:10:17,666 Laura frizzo: Kelly said, these were jason's victims. 197 00:10:17,718 --> 00:10:19,434 He killed them-- you know, all these people. 198 00:10:19,486 --> 00:10:20,685 He was a monster. 199 00:10:20,737 --> 00:10:23,972 And that doesn't make sense. 200 00:10:24,024 --> 00:10:27,042 They killed together, just like in chris regan's murder. 201 00:10:27,094 --> 00:10:28,827 And she was the mastermind. 202 00:10:34,551 --> 00:10:35,734 Jeremy ogden: You have to think about 203 00:10:35,786 --> 00:10:38,436 What happened on that night, and what she was doing, 204 00:10:38,488 --> 00:10:42,257 And what was going on with him at the same time. 205 00:10:42,309 --> 00:10:43,675 All of the planning came together 206 00:10:43,727 --> 00:10:44,943 Exactly like she wanted. 207 00:10:51,768 --> 00:10:55,220 Laura frizzo: When I worked the chris regan case, 208 00:10:55,272 --> 00:10:56,454 I was obsessed. 209 00:10:56,506 --> 00:11:00,175 There's really no other way to explain it. 210 00:11:00,227 --> 00:11:02,427 And it's only because I knew I was on to something, 211 00:11:02,479 --> 00:11:06,448 And I had to stay focused on it because no one else was. 212 00:11:06,500 --> 00:11:11,486 I think that that level of drive or passion wears on a person 213 00:11:11,538 --> 00:11:12,537 After a while. 214 00:11:12,589 --> 00:11:15,623 And that's when the shit hit the fan. 215 00:11:18,278 --> 00:11:22,364 After the trial, I was diagnosed with severe ptsd. 216 00:11:22,416 --> 00:11:27,802 And I said, no, not me, because I'm a strong person, 217 00:11:27,854 --> 00:11:30,321 So I didn't really believe it. 218 00:11:30,374 --> 00:11:34,409 I think a lot of times that stuff can just stay on a shelf 219 00:11:34,461 --> 00:11:36,761 Until something significant happens. 220 00:11:36,813 --> 00:11:39,564 And it did for me. 221 00:11:39,616 --> 00:11:42,951 I was constantly stressed and losing my temper at work, 222 00:11:43,003 --> 00:11:45,720 And it just kept getting worse. 223 00:11:45,772 --> 00:11:47,722 I just remember after the trial, I 224 00:11:47,774 --> 00:11:50,058 Had actually taken my grandkids to lunch, 225 00:11:50,110 --> 00:11:51,209 And I was in the restaurant. 226 00:11:51,261 --> 00:11:52,444 It was noisy. 227 00:11:52,496 --> 00:11:54,412 [faint chatter] 228 00:11:54,464 --> 00:11:57,182 I'm sitting in the restaurant, I'm listening to kids. 229 00:11:57,234 --> 00:11:58,383 Woman: Hi, kelly. 230 00:11:58,435 --> 00:11:59,267 Woman: Hi. 231 00:11:59,319 --> 00:12:01,853 Laura frizzo: And people and all kinds of sounds. 232 00:12:07,461 --> 00:12:10,361 I felt like I had to get up and get out of there. 233 00:12:10,414 --> 00:12:13,264 I had a hard time managing anything. 234 00:12:20,657 --> 00:12:25,160 So I tried to forget kelly cochran and, you know, 235 00:12:25,212 --> 00:12:26,694 Get a fresh start. 236 00:12:26,747 --> 00:12:30,348 So as I'm living in indiana, and I'm trying to reset myself, 237 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:35,336 And just take a break from all the chaos, all of a sudden, 238 00:12:35,388 --> 00:12:39,574 Jeremy and I receive a letter in the mail from kelly cochran. 239 00:12:39,626 --> 00:12:44,312 It was addressed to both jeremy and I. 240 00:12:44,364 --> 00:12:47,699 I mean, the first letter was a shock. 241 00:12:47,751 --> 00:12:53,521 And from that point, kelly started sending letters to me. 242 00:12:53,573 --> 00:12:57,358 She talked about who she is, why she is, 243 00:12:57,410 --> 00:13:00,862 How she feels and doesn't feel, her relationship with jason, 244 00:13:00,914 --> 00:13:01,946 Her husband. 245 00:13:01,998 --> 00:13:06,651 After a while, I had to stop reading them for my own sanity. 246 00:13:06,703 --> 00:13:09,821 I would take each one and just put it away. 247 00:13:09,873 --> 00:13:10,705 I was done. 248 00:13:23,770 --> 00:13:25,670 [cars whirring] 249 00:13:25,722 --> 00:13:27,288 I found this stuff from iron river 250 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:30,291 And found the letters that kelly had written. 251 00:13:30,343 --> 00:13:33,611 And take a look at this one. 252 00:13:33,663 --> 00:13:41,236 This was February 19, 2019. 253 00:13:41,288 --> 00:13:42,086 Holy crap. 254 00:13:45,475 --> 00:13:49,928 Laura frizzo: It was just one piece of paper that had the name 255 00:13:49,980 --> 00:13:55,049 Jason reuter written on it, his location of hastings, minnesota, 256 00:13:55,101 --> 00:14:00,221 The date of his death, which was June 22, 2014. 257 00:14:00,273 --> 00:14:02,373 This is what-- hope all is well? 258 00:14:02,425 --> 00:14:05,844 Laura frizzo: And then just the initials "st." 259 00:14:05,896 --> 00:14:08,663 And that was it. 260 00:14:08,715 --> 00:14:10,215 St, what does that mean? 261 00:14:10,267 --> 00:14:13,651 Knowing her, it's probably "stay tuned." 262 00:14:13,703 --> 00:14:15,436 Oh, probably. 263 00:14:15,488 --> 00:14:17,088 And it wasn't just one letter. 264 00:14:17,140 --> 00:14:19,173 There were several letters that she mentions him. 265 00:14:19,226 --> 00:14:22,544 In this one, she talks about jason reuter out of minnesota, 266 00:14:22,562 --> 00:14:24,846 And she's added more information. 267 00:14:24,898 --> 00:14:27,682 In most of the letters that she sent me, 268 00:14:27,734 --> 00:14:30,602 She did a lot of talking about jason reuter 269 00:14:30,654 --> 00:14:35,306 And how they met-- that they met on these dating sites online. 270 00:14:35,358 --> 00:14:37,008 Here's another one. 271 00:14:37,060 --> 00:14:39,510 We met on two separate chat dating sites. 272 00:14:39,563 --> 00:14:41,062 He messaged me on both. 273 00:14:41,114 --> 00:14:43,881 He was a perfect fit to my collection. 274 00:14:43,883 --> 00:14:47,635 And she wrote about meeting up and sledding in wisconsin, 275 00:14:47,687 --> 00:14:53,041 The same thing kelly's brother colton told jeremy back in 2016. 276 00:14:53,093 --> 00:14:56,661 Colton said that he had done some research 277 00:14:56,713 --> 00:15:00,515 And found jason reuter's photograph online, 278 00:15:00,567 --> 00:15:05,570 And that he was 90%, 95% certain that it was the same guy that 279 00:15:05,622 --> 00:15:08,656 Was in the photograph that kelly produced and showed 280 00:15:08,708 --> 00:15:14,262 Him saying that she had met him up in madison, wisconsin area. 281 00:15:26,593 --> 00:15:29,394 I think that she was involved in his homicide. 282 00:15:32,048 --> 00:15:35,400 Jeremy ogden: I gave you jason number two, and you did nothing. 283 00:15:35,452 --> 00:15:38,653 I feel like you wanted something more complex. 284 00:15:38,705 --> 00:15:41,806 He was easy, but boring. 285 00:15:41,858 --> 00:15:44,809 As for minnesota goes, I had told jeremy 286 00:15:44,861 --> 00:15:47,362 That something happened there. 287 00:15:47,414 --> 00:15:51,149 I didn't give him many details, but I gave him some. 288 00:15:51,201 --> 00:15:53,351 Then was not the time. 289 00:15:53,403 --> 00:15:54,752 They said I didn't do it. 290 00:15:54,804 --> 00:15:55,553 Case closed. 291 00:15:55,605 --> 00:15:56,420 Ha. 292 00:15:56,422 --> 00:15:59,307 And she just goes on and on and on. 293 00:15:59,359 --> 00:16:01,326 At the time, she was right. 294 00:16:01,378 --> 00:16:04,746 There were things that we missed because we were more focused 295 00:16:04,798 --> 00:16:07,682 On getting the conviction for the chris regan case 296 00:16:07,734 --> 00:16:09,667 And getting jason's case filed. 297 00:16:09,719 --> 00:16:11,669 Laura frizzo: I mean, listen to this one-- 298 00:16:11,721 --> 00:16:14,806 Reuter had some street smarts, but definitely not enough. 299 00:16:14,841 --> 00:16:16,741 Of course, he was no chris. 300 00:16:16,793 --> 00:16:19,327 He had amazing eyes though, right? 301 00:16:19,379 --> 00:16:22,430 Blue is my favorite color. 302 00:16:22,482 --> 00:16:24,849 In kelly's letters, she talks about how 303 00:16:24,901 --> 00:16:28,102 Much she loves blue eyes and blue was her favorite color. 304 00:16:28,154 --> 00:16:31,773 And she says jason reuter had big blue eyes. 305 00:16:31,825 --> 00:16:34,409 And we know chris regan had big blue eyes. 306 00:16:37,313 --> 00:16:39,847 And colton said something to jeremy that we can't ignore. 307 00:16:45,171 --> 00:16:47,171 He had claimed that he wanted to kill me 308 00:16:47,223 --> 00:16:50,224 And whatever man I was messing with. 309 00:16:50,276 --> 00:16:51,542 Laura frizzo: Did kelly have her husband 310 00:16:51,594 --> 00:16:53,828 Murder jason reuter as part of their marriage murder pact? 311 00:16:53,880 --> 00:17:15,416 [gun shot] 312 00:17:15,468 --> 00:17:18,336 I think, given all of this information here and everything, 313 00:17:18,388 --> 00:17:19,904 We need to reach out to family, maybe 314 00:17:19,956 --> 00:17:23,741 See if we can find out whether or not any personal information 315 00:17:23,793 --> 00:17:25,593 That she may have included in here 316 00:17:25,645 --> 00:17:27,929 Is real, some kind of intricate detail 317 00:17:27,981 --> 00:17:31,265 That only the killer would know. 318 00:17:31,317 --> 00:17:33,101 Laura frizzo: The details in these letters 319 00:17:33,186 --> 00:17:35,570 Might be crucial to validate that kelly was 320 00:17:35,622 --> 00:17:37,004 In contact with jason reuter. 321 00:17:50,870 --> 00:17:53,788 Everything with kelly is just a piece to the puzzle-- 322 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,308 Every letter, every interview, every hint that she 323 00:17:57,360 --> 00:17:59,827 Thinks that we didn't catch. 324 00:17:59,879 --> 00:18:02,630 But looking at everything with fresh eyes, 325 00:18:02,682 --> 00:18:04,348 It's kind of all falling into place. 326 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:07,068 We need to go through all of the letters and try to get as many 327 00:18:07,120 --> 00:18:09,470 Of the details that she provided within them, 328 00:18:09,522 --> 00:18:12,273 And then reach out to hastings police department 329 00:18:12,325 --> 00:18:16,410 And see what we can find out through them. 330 00:18:16,463 --> 00:18:19,080 It'll all make sense eventually, right? 331 00:18:19,132 --> 00:18:20,782 One of these days. 332 00:18:20,834 --> 00:18:23,284 [intense music] 333 00:18:28,675 --> 00:18:32,176 Man: There's talk about a second jason. 334 00:18:32,228 --> 00:18:36,247 And it's been brought up about minnesota. 335 00:18:36,299 --> 00:18:38,199 Can you talk about the second jason, anything 336 00:18:38,251 --> 00:18:40,468 That you want to share about him, and/or what that's about? 337 00:19:05,578 --> 00:19:08,079 When kelly gives her story to a producer, 338 00:19:08,131 --> 00:19:11,315 She's in complete control because she's 339 00:19:11,367 --> 00:19:12,950 Able to give vague answers. 340 00:19:13,002 --> 00:19:14,702 Man: Do you know anything about that individual 341 00:19:14,754 --> 00:19:16,120 Or that specific person? 342 00:19:22,345 --> 00:19:24,111 She was referring back to me putting 343 00:19:24,164 --> 00:19:26,814 Jason reuter's picture down in front of her 344 00:19:26,866 --> 00:19:31,385 During the April 26 interview. 345 00:19:31,437 --> 00:19:33,437 [door opens] 346 00:19:35,375 --> 00:19:36,607 You know that guy? 347 00:19:36,659 --> 00:19:40,678 Right after looking at the photo of jeremy reuter, 348 00:19:40,730 --> 00:19:44,148 Something about her disposition changes at that point. 349 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,817 She has a strange reaction to the picture. 350 00:20:01,134 --> 00:20:03,568 Jeremy ogden: But this all starts with colton. 351 00:20:06,739 --> 00:20:10,007 He identified jason reuter as a possible 352 00:20:10,059 --> 00:20:11,893 Victim of jason and kelly's. 353 00:20:30,997 --> 00:20:32,630 Laura frizzo: Kelly's motivations have changed 354 00:20:32,682 --> 00:20:35,182 A lot now that she's in prison. 355 00:20:35,235 --> 00:20:37,518 She's got that plea deal that she could 356 00:20:37,570 --> 00:20:40,187 Never be charged with any other homicides 357 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:41,856 In the state of indiana. 358 00:20:41,908 --> 00:20:44,659 She doesn't want us looking at minnesota. 359 00:20:44,711 --> 00:20:47,511 She doesn't want us finding anything in minnesota. 360 00:20:47,563 --> 00:20:49,013 Her deal's only with indiana. 361 00:20:49,065 --> 00:20:51,349 She has no protection in minnesota. 362 00:20:51,401 --> 00:20:55,202 So I think she sent us those letters about jason reuter 363 00:20:55,255 --> 00:20:57,471 Because she was gloating. 364 00:20:57,490 --> 00:20:59,156 "they said I didn't do it. 365 00:20:59,208 --> 00:21:00,274 Case closed. 366 00:21:00,326 --> 00:21:01,542 Ha." 367 00:21:01,594 --> 00:21:02,877 Laura frizzo: Bragging that she got away 368 00:21:02,929 --> 00:21:05,146 With something in minnesota, and there was 369 00:21:05,198 --> 00:21:07,281 Nothing we could do about it. 370 00:21:07,333 --> 00:21:10,751 She'll play with you, but she's not going to help you. 371 00:21:16,793 --> 00:21:20,161 I keep reminding myself that I used to get very 372 00:21:20,213 --> 00:21:23,948 Frustrated because it was like, you know, like a roller coaster. 373 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:26,534 And there were many times where I was like, fuck it, 374 00:21:26,586 --> 00:21:27,335 I'm giving up. 375 00:21:27,387 --> 00:21:28,235 I can't do it. 376 00:21:28,288 --> 00:21:30,838 And then, you know, then the next day I'm back at it. 377 00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:36,861 We just have to keep that same kind of mentality, you know? 378 00:21:36,913 --> 00:21:39,680 I made first contact with the chief at hastings. 379 00:21:39,732 --> 00:21:41,649 He said that he was very interested 380 00:21:41,701 --> 00:21:44,035 And wanted to put me in contact with the assistant chief. 381 00:21:44,087 --> 00:21:44,735 Laura frizzo: I don't know. Yeah. 382 00:21:44,787 --> 00:21:47,621 And then they were supposed to have an investigator call me, 383 00:21:47,690 --> 00:21:48,606 And I haven't heard from them. 384 00:21:48,658 --> 00:21:50,057 Why are people so passive? 385 00:21:50,109 --> 00:21:53,394 You and I both know, if you had a homicide, especially something 386 00:21:53,446 --> 00:21:55,980 You worked so hard on, and then you hit a wall. 387 00:21:56,032 --> 00:21:59,116 And 10 years later, you have people calling you, saying, 388 00:21:59,168 --> 00:22:01,385 We might have something. 389 00:22:01,437 --> 00:22:03,487 And you sit there thinking, even if it isn't 390 00:22:03,539 --> 00:22:06,340 Anything, at least it's something 391 00:22:06,392 --> 00:22:08,025 To get us to take another look. 392 00:22:08,077 --> 00:22:11,979 It gets to a point where you got to do what you got to do. 393 00:22:12,031 --> 00:22:15,215 I think we need to just like, fucking get in the car 394 00:22:15,218 --> 00:22:18,586 And go drive out there and see jeremy reuter. 395 00:22:24,761 --> 00:22:27,511 We're going to meet with jason reuter's brother jeremy again. 396 00:22:27,563 --> 00:22:30,097 And when we met with him before, we're 397 00:22:30,149 --> 00:22:33,551 Asking jeremy these questions about his brother, 398 00:22:33,603 --> 00:22:36,303 And he says he was on his phone constantly, 399 00:22:36,356 --> 00:22:40,491 Meeting strange women, women he didn't know, going to wisconsin, 400 00:22:40,543 --> 00:22:42,676 Going places that-- 401 00:22:42,678 --> 00:22:44,495 That he just kind of kept secret. 402 00:22:44,547 --> 00:22:48,766 My brother would drive hours to meet girls, you know. 403 00:22:48,818 --> 00:22:49,834 That I do know. I mean-- 404 00:22:49,886 --> 00:22:50,634 Well-- 405 00:22:50,686 --> 00:22:51,435 Through a weekend. 406 00:22:51,487 --> 00:22:53,821 You wouldn't see him for three, four, five days. 407 00:22:53,873 --> 00:22:59,126 That definitely went with what colton gaboyan had 408 00:22:59,178 --> 00:23:00,394 Told jeremy in the interview. 409 00:23:00,446 --> 00:23:03,798 She'd meet these guys, this jason in-- in wisconsin, 410 00:23:03,850 --> 00:23:06,751 And they'd go sledding. 411 00:23:06,803 --> 00:23:10,921 So this time, I want to ask him about our investigation, 412 00:23:10,990 --> 00:23:13,391 Especially these letters. 413 00:23:13,443 --> 00:23:15,993 Kelly wanted to keep throwing out little clues about him, 414 00:23:16,045 --> 00:23:21,165 Like not giving us information as to what happened, 415 00:23:21,217 --> 00:23:24,518 But definitely giving enough information to put herself 416 00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:26,137 In the middle of his homicide. 417 00:23:31,878 --> 00:23:33,227 Jeremy ogden: It's good to see you again. 418 00:23:33,279 --> 00:23:34,161 Thank you. 419 00:23:34,213 --> 00:23:36,147 So good. 420 00:23:36,199 --> 00:23:40,050 So I reached back out to the hastings police department 421 00:23:40,103 --> 00:23:40,868 Again. 422 00:23:40,920 --> 00:23:44,555 Their chief said that he was more than willing to be 423 00:23:44,607 --> 00:23:46,490 Involved and talk to us. 424 00:23:46,542 --> 00:23:47,924 And he told me that he was going to have 425 00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:49,877 The investigator contact me. 426 00:23:49,929 --> 00:23:51,545 They haven't reached out to me yet. 427 00:23:51,547 --> 00:23:55,149 But in the meantime, we're going to show you things that we 428 00:23:55,201 --> 00:23:57,968 Think are important and why this has 429 00:23:58,020 --> 00:23:59,120 Led us to talking to you now. 430 00:23:59,172 --> 00:24:00,471 Ok. Yeah. 431 00:24:00,523 --> 00:24:01,255 Jeremy ogden: Ok. 432 00:24:01,307 --> 00:24:04,859 So this is colton gaboyan. 433 00:24:04,911 --> 00:24:06,610 He's kelly's brother. 434 00:24:06,662 --> 00:24:09,914 And this is the information he came forward with to me, 435 00:24:09,966 --> 00:24:11,382 And this is how this all begins. 436 00:24:11,434 --> 00:24:12,233 Ok. 437 00:25:06,339 --> 00:25:08,672 Oh. 438 00:25:08,724 --> 00:25:11,075 How come no one has reached out to me, you know? 439 00:25:11,127 --> 00:25:11,876 Or-- 440 00:25:11,928 --> 00:25:12,993 Well, initially-- 441 00:25:13,045 --> 00:25:14,612 When you-- anybody heard this? 442 00:25:14,664 --> 00:25:16,881 So we couldn't reach out to you 443 00:25:16,933 --> 00:25:19,383 Because it's an open case being handled 444 00:25:19,435 --> 00:25:21,151 By hastings police department. 445 00:25:21,204 --> 00:25:24,438 So jeremy did the correct thing by contacting 446 00:25:24,490 --> 00:25:28,526 The agency handling the case and saying, 447 00:25:28,578 --> 00:25:30,327 This is the info we have. 448 00:25:30,379 --> 00:25:33,547 I believe hastings sent a detective from michigan 449 00:25:33,599 --> 00:25:34,782 To try and interview her. 450 00:25:38,287 --> 00:25:40,871 But that person they sent didn't have all the ins and outs. 451 00:25:40,923 --> 00:25:43,190 And we watched that interview, and 452 00:25:43,242 --> 00:25:46,360 Unfortunately, I believe they didn't ask the right questions. 453 00:25:52,485 --> 00:25:55,252 Wonder why hastings, or whoever, 454 00:25:55,304 --> 00:25:56,971 Sent somebody up there to interview her, 455 00:25:57,023 --> 00:25:59,506 Didn't let you guys handle it when you guys 456 00:25:59,559 --> 00:26:00,474 Have been working with her. 457 00:26:00,493 --> 00:26:03,127 A girl that can get away with doing something like that to all 458 00:26:03,179 --> 00:26:04,328 These people, you don't think she's 459 00:26:04,380 --> 00:26:05,663 Going to be able to talk circles around? 460 00:26:05,715 --> 00:26:06,463 Right. 461 00:26:06,515 --> 00:26:07,581 He tried to explain that. 462 00:26:07,633 --> 00:26:08,983 Curfew cops? 463 00:26:09,035 --> 00:26:11,802 It's a chess match the entire time with her. 464 00:26:11,854 --> 00:26:14,655 I would understand that you're frustrated that something 465 00:26:14,707 --> 00:26:16,407 More didn't happen back then. 466 00:26:16,459 --> 00:26:19,460 But as an investigator, you-- you 467 00:26:19,512 --> 00:26:21,111 Try to be very professional about how 468 00:26:21,163 --> 00:26:23,314 You handle these things with the other agencies. 469 00:26:23,366 --> 00:26:24,932 And that's exactly what I did. 470 00:26:27,703 --> 00:26:29,520 Laura frizzo: There's something else I want to show you. 471 00:26:29,572 --> 00:26:31,555 Kelly wrote me these letters from prison. 472 00:26:31,607 --> 00:26:32,456 You're all right with that? 473 00:26:32,508 --> 00:26:33,257 Jeremy reuter: Yeah. 474 00:26:33,309 --> 00:26:37,278 Laura frizzo: Jeremy and I got this in the mail 475 00:26:37,330 --> 00:26:38,696 Addressed to both of us. 476 00:26:38,748 --> 00:26:40,664 And this is-- this is all it said. 477 00:26:48,924 --> 00:26:50,708 Jeremy ogden: She mailed that to our home. 478 00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:51,859 Laura frizzo: And as you can see-- 479 00:26:51,911 --> 00:26:52,660 Are you serious? 480 00:26:52,712 --> 00:26:54,295 Laura frizzo: Yeah, here's the date. 481 00:26:54,347 --> 00:26:57,748 It was February 19th of 2019. 482 00:26:57,800 --> 00:26:58,999 "hope all is well"? 483 00:27:02,872 --> 00:27:06,240 "we met on two separate chat dating sites. 484 00:27:06,292 --> 00:27:08,025 He messaged me on both. 485 00:27:08,077 --> 00:27:12,696 He was a perfect fit to my collection. 486 00:27:12,748 --> 00:27:15,899 He had some street smarts, but definitely not enough. 487 00:27:15,951 --> 00:27:17,601 He had amazing eyes though, right? 488 00:27:17,653 --> 00:27:20,204 Blue is my favorite color." 489 00:27:20,256 --> 00:27:22,823 Gosh, she's-- she's a psychopath. 490 00:27:22,875 --> 00:27:25,242 Laura frizzo: Right. 491 00:27:25,294 --> 00:27:28,045 She-- oh. 492 00:27:28,097 --> 00:27:29,063 Laura frizzo: Yeah. 493 00:27:29,115 --> 00:27:33,050 And we were able to establish that jason reuter did utilize 494 00:27:33,102 --> 00:27:34,868 These dating sites frequently. 495 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:36,687 Laura frizzo (voiceover): Jeremy reuter 496 00:27:36,772 --> 00:27:41,175 Told us that his brother would go to wisconsin frequently. 497 00:27:41,227 --> 00:27:44,294 You're telling me he just was, for a while there, just 498 00:27:44,347 --> 00:27:46,880 Meeting, going places, meeting all these people. 499 00:27:46,932 --> 00:27:47,681 Mhm. 500 00:27:47,733 --> 00:27:48,482 Yeah. 501 00:27:48,534 --> 00:27:50,501 Laura frizzo: "I'll eventually validate everything. 502 00:27:50,553 --> 00:27:52,002 That's always been my plan. 503 00:27:52,054 --> 00:27:54,621 Time is very important to me, as is timing. 504 00:27:54,674 --> 00:27:57,157 I want to be done with reuter and hastings. 505 00:27:57,243 --> 00:27:58,525 I gave you something. 506 00:27:58,577 --> 00:28:00,060 You give me something." 507 00:28:00,112 --> 00:28:02,930 Then can't you guys give her something? 508 00:28:02,982 --> 00:28:06,066 Just pretend you're going to give her something. 509 00:28:06,118 --> 00:28:06,867 You know? 510 00:28:06,919 --> 00:28:10,354 I mean, say you're going to give her something. 511 00:28:10,406 --> 00:28:11,138 You know? 512 00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:12,756 Say you're going to give her something, 513 00:28:12,808 --> 00:28:15,092 And then just see what she does, you know? 514 00:28:18,397 --> 00:28:19,196 I mean-- 515 00:28:23,469 --> 00:28:26,236 You understand why we're sitting here with you 516 00:28:26,288 --> 00:28:27,721 Today, based off of what you-- 517 00:28:27,773 --> 00:28:29,573 What you-- what we've showed you? 518 00:28:29,625 --> 00:28:31,775 Jeremy reuter: Yep. 519 00:28:31,827 --> 00:28:33,544 And I feel like there-- 520 00:28:33,596 --> 00:28:37,648 That she really could have something to do with it. 521 00:28:37,700 --> 00:28:39,566 It hurts. 522 00:28:39,618 --> 00:28:41,385 My life was starting to get better-- 523 00:28:41,437 --> 00:28:42,753 Not that I ever forgot about him, 524 00:28:42,805 --> 00:28:47,007 But it was more living with happy memories of my brother. 525 00:28:47,059 --> 00:28:52,062 Now I get to lay in bed at night and think about her, 526 00:28:52,114 --> 00:28:54,231 And what she did, and how she did it. 527 00:28:54,283 --> 00:28:56,333 And you know, that's going through my head. 528 00:28:56,385 --> 00:28:59,136 Jeremy ogden: I think that you have to be very much in control 529 00:28:59,188 --> 00:29:03,957 Of that and understand that there's nothing that you, or I, 530 00:29:04,009 --> 00:29:08,462 Or anyone else can do, anything about her controlling a secret. 531 00:29:08,514 --> 00:29:11,482 We are going to go down the path as much as we can to try 532 00:29:11,534 --> 00:29:12,816 To get resolution in it. 533 00:29:12,868 --> 00:29:14,067 Yeah. 534 00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:15,686 We'll continue to look at everything 535 00:29:15,704 --> 00:29:18,138 And try to provide you and your families, 536 00:29:18,190 --> 00:29:22,292 You know, with the answers that you deserve. 537 00:29:22,344 --> 00:29:26,096 You could see the pain in his face. 538 00:29:26,148 --> 00:29:27,631 I'm glad you reached out to me. 539 00:29:27,683 --> 00:29:28,615 Well, thank you again. 540 00:29:28,667 --> 00:29:29,399 Jeremy reuter: Yeah. 541 00:29:29,468 --> 00:29:31,018 Thank you guys so much. 542 00:29:31,070 --> 00:29:31,819 Thanks. 543 00:29:31,871 --> 00:29:35,789 Jeremy ogden (voiceover): And I don't take any of that lightly. 544 00:29:35,841 --> 00:29:37,858 I feel for the entire family. 545 00:29:40,596 --> 00:29:43,163 Because they want answers. 546 00:29:45,701 --> 00:29:51,221 So I'm glad that we were able to give them the answers. 547 00:30:11,377 --> 00:30:13,460 Producer (on recording): So I'm going to throw as many questions 548 00:30:13,512 --> 00:30:15,779 As I can to you and just see how you can respond. 549 00:30:15,831 --> 00:30:18,999 Jeremy ogden: One of our producers engaged kelly right 550 00:30:19,051 --> 00:30:20,501 At the beginning of this case. 551 00:30:20,553 --> 00:30:23,620 I think that it's great that he's remained in contact 552 00:30:23,672 --> 00:30:27,057 With her and engaged in that dialogue, 553 00:30:27,109 --> 00:30:30,027 Hoping that she'll create a storyline 554 00:30:30,079 --> 00:30:35,782 And make mistakes to do with other victims. 555 00:30:35,835 --> 00:30:38,235 Producer (on recording): In regards to your husband, jason-- 556 00:30:38,287 --> 00:30:41,221 They've been reading a lot of jason's materials-- 557 00:30:41,273 --> 00:30:46,710 And jeremy said, I remember kelly 558 00:30:46,762 --> 00:30:49,363 Telling me a lot of this stuff, and I didn't believe her. 559 00:30:49,415 --> 00:30:51,281 And now I believe her, from reading 560 00:30:51,317 --> 00:30:54,401 All this stuff about jason and what his capabilities are. 561 00:30:54,453 --> 00:30:57,271 Do you feel that jason had the capability to commit 562 00:30:57,323 --> 00:30:59,122 More murders than just chris? 563 00:30:59,174 --> 00:31:01,041 Yeah, he did. 564 00:31:01,093 --> 00:31:04,061 Well, he had actually taken me to deep river 565 00:31:04,113 --> 00:31:07,548 When I had taken ogden there. 566 00:31:07,566 --> 00:31:09,065 I don't remember the date. 567 00:31:09,067 --> 00:31:10,467 We had went out there. 568 00:31:10,519 --> 00:31:12,502 And I said I wanted to show him something. 569 00:31:12,555 --> 00:31:15,672 Well, when me and jason went walking years ago, 570 00:31:15,724 --> 00:31:19,810 We went to deep river and he had showed me an area. 571 00:31:19,862 --> 00:31:21,895 And I had actually said something to him-- 572 00:31:21,947 --> 00:31:24,565 To ogden-- at that point, but I don't think 573 00:31:24,617 --> 00:31:26,166 They ever took it serious. 574 00:31:26,218 --> 00:31:28,485 Producer (on recording): What are they looking for? 575 00:31:28,537 --> 00:31:33,257 Any kind of like, biological evidence of any sort. 576 00:31:33,309 --> 00:31:34,391 Producer (on recording): So you're 577 00:31:34,443 --> 00:31:39,146 Saying deep river is not one of the wild goose chase scenarios? 578 00:31:39,198 --> 00:31:41,949 No, absolutely not. 579 00:31:42,001 --> 00:31:45,686 I just feel like there could have been more accomplished. 580 00:31:45,738 --> 00:31:48,906 But they chose not to-- 581 00:31:48,958 --> 00:31:50,724 I don't know, maybe he chose not to follow 582 00:31:50,743 --> 00:31:54,361 Up because it was a runaround. 583 00:31:54,413 --> 00:31:55,796 I don't know how she criticizes 584 00:31:55,848 --> 00:31:57,281 Not taking her seriously. 585 00:31:57,333 --> 00:32:00,851 I mean, she took me there and jacked me around the first time, 586 00:32:00,903 --> 00:32:04,554 And then I still went back two more times with her after that. 587 00:32:13,916 --> 00:32:16,500 Jeremy ogden: Where are we going? 588 00:32:16,552 --> 00:32:18,352 Jeremy ogden (voiceover): Back in 2016, 589 00:32:18,404 --> 00:32:23,957 Before she was arrested, kelly claimed jason had killed a man 590 00:32:24,009 --> 00:32:30,347 And dismembered him at deep river park in hobart. 591 00:32:30,399 --> 00:32:31,615 Jeremy ogden: Where are we going? 592 00:32:31,667 --> 00:32:34,985 Kelly cochran: The other side, past this little bridge thing. 593 00:32:35,037 --> 00:32:37,270 Jeremy ogden: Right there is where he put him? 594 00:32:37,323 --> 00:32:40,841 Kelly cochran: I'm gonna go see around here. 595 00:32:40,893 --> 00:32:43,460 Right there. 596 00:32:43,512 --> 00:32:44,594 Jeremy ogden: Where at? 597 00:32:48,951 --> 00:32:51,618 Right there? 598 00:32:51,670 --> 00:32:53,971 Jeremy ogden (voiceover): While we were out in the woods 599 00:32:54,023 --> 00:32:58,141 Going through this area, she specifically said, 600 00:32:58,193 --> 00:33:01,311 It's not far from this tree. 601 00:33:01,363 --> 00:33:05,365 Kelly cochran: This is actually, probably, this tree. 602 00:33:05,417 --> 00:33:08,218 Jeremy ogden (voiceover): I kind of let her walk ahead of me, 603 00:33:08,270 --> 00:33:12,339 And I hacked an x into the tree relatively deep. 604 00:33:24,303 --> 00:33:26,053 Initially, I was a little fearful 605 00:33:26,105 --> 00:33:29,723 Because I was very concerned that she was luring 606 00:33:29,775 --> 00:33:32,342 Us into a place of ambush. 607 00:33:32,394 --> 00:33:36,079 Whether or not she would leave a weapon hidden within the woods, 608 00:33:36,131 --> 00:33:37,814 Ultimately take us down to an area 609 00:33:37,866 --> 00:33:39,082 Where something would occur. 610 00:34:24,313 --> 00:34:27,614 Ever since kelly brought me there back in 2016, 611 00:34:27,666 --> 00:34:30,734 I had a strong suspicion about it. 612 00:34:30,786 --> 00:34:33,420 I do think something's in deep river. 613 00:34:33,472 --> 00:34:36,440 Something's buried in that area. 614 00:34:36,492 --> 00:34:38,075 That's why we're going back. 615 00:34:55,828 --> 00:35:00,147 Today, we're going to take out canine teams to deep river park. 616 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:04,017 These dogs are trained in human remains detection. 617 00:35:04,069 --> 00:35:06,086 I don't give very much information 618 00:35:06,138 --> 00:35:08,789 When it comes to anything I'm asking you to do. 619 00:35:08,841 --> 00:35:11,274 I'm just simply going to walk into the wooded area, 620 00:35:11,326 --> 00:35:12,959 And I'm going to let you go to work. 621 00:35:13,011 --> 00:35:16,179 Jeremy ogden: If in fact, we were to get an indication 622 00:35:16,231 --> 00:35:20,650 Or an alert, we very well may be doing some excavation of deep 623 00:35:20,702 --> 00:35:23,653 River park, looking for possibly another 624 00:35:23,705 --> 00:35:24,988 Victim of jason and kelly's. 625 00:35:27,409 --> 00:35:28,208 Are you ready? 626 00:36:01,527 --> 00:36:02,526 Another blow out? 627 00:36:02,578 --> 00:36:03,777 Yep. 628 00:36:03,829 --> 00:36:04,711 That's two. 629 00:36:04,763 --> 00:36:06,179 Jeremy ogden (voiceover): We get to the spot 630 00:36:06,231 --> 00:36:09,633 That I had marked with an x eight years ago, and right away, 631 00:36:09,685 --> 00:36:12,369 Canine rosie, she blew the scent out. 632 00:36:12,421 --> 00:36:14,137 And what they're doing is is they're 633 00:36:14,189 --> 00:36:16,656 Overwhelmed with the odor that's within their nose. 634 00:36:16,708 --> 00:36:18,658 So they blow it out, and they try to get 635 00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:23,063 Back to their indication odor. 636 00:36:23,098 --> 00:36:25,248 These dogs are trained in finding 637 00:36:25,300 --> 00:36:30,687 Human remains or decomposition from blood on murder weapons. 638 00:36:30,739 --> 00:36:34,140 The fact that she is going into odor 639 00:36:34,193 --> 00:36:37,627 Makes me believe that there may be something here. 640 00:36:37,679 --> 00:36:40,113 The first dog was detecting something in the area right 641 00:36:40,165 --> 00:36:41,531 Near the tree that I marked. 642 00:36:41,550 --> 00:36:44,351 But I think we should just see how the-- the next dog works it 643 00:36:44,403 --> 00:36:45,202 Out. 644 00:37:19,488 --> 00:37:20,287 Hmm. 645 00:37:24,042 --> 00:37:24,841 There you go. 646 00:37:30,048 --> 00:37:30,847 Yeah. 647 00:37:37,089 --> 00:37:38,421 Jeremy ogden (voiceover): And the next dog 648 00:37:38,473 --> 00:37:39,389 Behaved the same way. 649 00:37:47,532 --> 00:37:50,100 Every single dog went straight to the-- the mark, 650 00:37:50,152 --> 00:37:51,918 And none of them knew where the mark was. 651 00:37:51,970 --> 00:37:52,769 Right. 652 00:37:56,758 --> 00:38:00,644 When someone buries a victim, the decomposition is occurring. 653 00:38:00,696 --> 00:38:04,514 And throughout time, that odor is just coming up. 654 00:38:04,566 --> 00:38:07,884 And it's actually part of the vegetation and the growth. 655 00:38:07,936 --> 00:38:12,088 The dogs will go in, and they start biting saplings 656 00:38:12,140 --> 00:38:14,357 And they bite them and snap them off. 657 00:38:14,409 --> 00:38:16,293 The dog is releasing the odor that's 658 00:38:16,345 --> 00:38:19,829 Growing up through the sapling into the air. 659 00:38:19,848 --> 00:38:23,550 It's not just simply going to be right at the location 660 00:38:23,602 --> 00:38:26,736 Where the victim is buried. 661 00:38:26,788 --> 00:38:30,407 But all of our dogs worked all the way down to the tree 662 00:38:30,459 --> 00:38:32,092 That I put the x on. 663 00:38:32,144 --> 00:38:34,577 Jeremy ogden (voiceover): This is validation. 664 00:38:34,629 --> 00:38:39,966 There's a body or a murder weapon buried in that area. 665 00:38:40,018 --> 00:38:42,802 I think that we should go back after all the vegetation is 666 00:38:42,854 --> 00:38:46,289 Down, and see if we can get some ground-penetrating radar ran 667 00:38:46,341 --> 00:38:48,358 Over that area. 668 00:38:48,410 --> 00:38:52,128 Other people, other victims are out there. 669 00:38:52,180 --> 00:38:55,432 I mean, I know that. 670 00:38:55,484 --> 00:38:57,784 Laura frizzo (voiceover): From the first time I met kelly-- 671 00:38:57,836 --> 00:38:59,035 - Hi, kelly. - Hi. 672 00:38:59,087 --> 00:39:00,053 Laura frizzo: Hi. 673 00:39:00,105 --> 00:39:02,422 Laura frizzo (voiceover): I knew her goal was to throw us off. 674 00:39:02,474 --> 00:39:05,709 She definitely wasn't going to give anything to us easy. 675 00:39:05,761 --> 00:39:09,312 After chris regan went missing, I had nothing. 676 00:39:09,364 --> 00:39:12,165 But I would never quit. 677 00:39:12,217 --> 00:39:14,150 And I think it's that same kind of endurance 678 00:39:14,202 --> 00:39:18,071 That needs to be had now. 679 00:39:18,073 --> 00:39:19,773 Jeremy ogden: It all comes back to this for me. 680 00:39:19,825 --> 00:39:22,525 I believe that the real names of the victims 681 00:39:22,577 --> 00:39:23,877 Are within all of the names. 682 00:39:23,929 --> 00:39:25,962 Woman: Gary caldwell, dylan from chicago. 683 00:39:26,014 --> 00:39:26,763 Daniel-- 684 00:39:26,815 --> 00:39:29,366 Man: Daniel-- jason-- 685 00:39:29,418 --> 00:39:31,584 Jeremy ogden: And she very well could have this real list right 686 00:39:31,636 --> 00:39:35,221 Here in front of her in mid-air that she can only see, 687 00:39:35,273 --> 00:39:38,475 That has the names, the locations, and the dates. 688 00:39:38,527 --> 00:39:41,177 And she's substituting a bit and a piece 689 00:39:41,229 --> 00:39:44,647 Here or there that she wants me to figure out. 690 00:39:47,452 --> 00:39:50,470 All along she's been playing this game. 691 00:39:50,522 --> 00:39:52,639 But there's more. 692 00:39:52,691 --> 00:39:55,041 We owe it to the families of the victims 693 00:39:55,093 --> 00:39:57,527 To chase down all of these leads, even 694 00:39:57,579 --> 00:40:00,130 The ones that might be lies. 695 00:40:00,182 --> 00:40:02,332 Jeremy ogden: But this is just the beginning. 696 00:40:07,489 --> 00:40:08,721 Kelly cochran: Nobody knows. 697 00:40:08,757 --> 00:40:09,773 And that's fine. 698 00:40:09,825 --> 00:40:11,441 I mean, that's how it's supposed to be. 699 00:40:11,493 --> 00:40:14,144 So I want to tell the story, and I want 700 00:40:14,196 --> 00:40:15,111 To be the one that tells it. 701 00:40:15,163 --> 00:40:16,913 I'm so tired of hearing everybody else. 702 00:40:16,965 --> 00:40:19,999 [tense music]