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29-68. Code two.

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Just advise, repeat.

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911. What is the address of the emergency?

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Somebody got shot!

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Boys, come here.
Y'all boys come here! Come here!

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Come here. Stay over here.

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-You sure she got shot?
-Yes!

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Oh my God! Why did she do this?

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Wake up.

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Okay, they're going
as fast as they can. Where is it?

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Right here! Right here!

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We need medical aid right there.

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She's on the ground!

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Hold on.

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Oh my God!

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I'm in front. I'm in front.

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Sheriff's office.
Come outside with your hands up!

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It's the Marion County Sheriff's Office!
Come outside with your hands up!

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Monday, June 5th, 2023, 9:38 a.m.

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We're out at the incident location.

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Just doing a canvass.

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Okay.

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Sheriff's office.

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Sheriff's office!

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Hello. Good morning.

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I'm good. I'm with
the sheriff's office. I'm the detective.

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We're investigating the incident
that happened on Friday night.

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You mind if I sit?
Well, the chair's broken.

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Let me go get you a chair.

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How long you been living here?

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About three years.

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Has she lived here
the whole time, or something different?

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No, she moved in after we did.

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Maybe two years she's been here.

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-If I'm not mistaken. I'm not sure--
-That's fine.

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So approximately two years.

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But from my understanding,
everybody, all the kids,

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has problems with this lady.

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-What grade ya in?
-Fifth…

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Okay, so you just finished
fifth grade and you're going into sixth.

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I want to discuss
a truth versus a lie, okay?

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I'm going to give you a few
examples here for a second, okay?

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If I were to tell you
that there was a little girl,

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and she came in this room,

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and she colored all the walls red
with a crayon,

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and then she came outside
and told me she didn't do it…

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-Is that the truth or a lie?
-That's a lie.

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Okay. And if she colored them all red,

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then she went outside and said,
"I did that, Detective Pinder…"

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-Would that be the truth?
-Yes.

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Okay. When we talk today,
can we only talk about true things?

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Yes.

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Have you ever seen this lady before?

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Multiple times, yeah.

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Multiple times.

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She doesn't like people playing
around, over where, like, she lives,

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like, in that grass over there.

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Because… she thinks
that it's her property.

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Okay.

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Um, and was she…
Do you remember her saying anything else?

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That I'm going
to report this to the police.

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-Okay.
-Us playing around the area.

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097 in progress.

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What did you call for?

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I called because the lady across the
street on the phone hit me with a sign.

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Her children were walking their dog
on the property.

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It clearly says, "No Trespassing."

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And they're always walking the dog.

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The dog's always taking a crap.

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There's poop on the sidewalk.
All kinds of stuff.

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I said, "Can you keep the dog over there?"

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I was going to take a picture of her dog

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and she said,
"Don't take a picture of my children."

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And I'm like, "Nah."

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And then she just got in my face

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and she picked up the sign
and threw it at me.

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And it hit me in the leg.

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-Your name?
-My name is Susan Lorincz.

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-Susan. Spell that last name.
-L-O-R-I-N-C-Z.

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What was that sign you mentioned?

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Want me to get it?

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I mean, you can see
she really threw it at me.

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She shouldn't have removed the sign.
It's the landlord's sign.

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I was actually going to buy this
apartment. After this, I'm leaving.

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I'm not going to buy the quad.

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I see a smirk
on your face. You already know?

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-That she called the police on me?
-Yes. I see you're on the phone.

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-With that little smirk.
-Because this is… this is…

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It's funny, because
I'm the one that never comes outside

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and says anything to her, but today,
I just happened to feel it.

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First of all, before she moved in,
this big open space right here,

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all the kids, they like to play kickball,
football, in the space.

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She moves in, "I don't want y'all playing
over here, it's private property."

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I told her, "No, you can't tell them,

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technically, if they're not in
your personal, personal space,

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that they can't walk the dog
or even throw their football over here."

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"Oh, but you Black people always just…"

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Okay, all right, whatever.
That doesn't move me.

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She's basically, like,
ramming the sign in my face.

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She went to pick it back up.
I picked the sign up and I threw the sign.

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I literally picked the sign up,
and as I walked off, I threw the sign.

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I said, "I can go and buy a sign too.
It still doesn't mean anything."

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But she did say it was thrown her way.

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-Yeah, I did toss it. I'm not gonna lie.
-But it hit her.

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-I didn't hit her with the sign.
-Not deliberately, yes.

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Do you have your information,
or do you want me to…

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Ma'am, can I talk to you real quick?

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-Me?
-Yes, ma'am.

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Did you see anything?

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No, sir, I didn't.
No, I just came outside.

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Did your daughter tell you
that she saw anything?

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Well, she did tell me
that they were arguing

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and that, I guess she had
picked up a sign and, like, just, like,

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when she picked up the sign,
and she walked away

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and threw it behind her.

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And… But it didn't hit the lady
or anything. But that was it.

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But I will say that that lady…
I didn't see anything.

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But I will say that that lady is
always messing with people's kids.

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She's always--

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She's always trying to record the kids
and always talking crap.

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But I didn't see anything, so I can't say.

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Okay. All righty.

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Pronounce your first name.

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Ajike.

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How's it going?

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Say it, another day.

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-All right, well, just call me.
-Hey, ma'am.

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-Did you see anything?
-Yeah. She didn't touch that lady.

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She just took the thing out the ground,
and that was it.

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-What thing?
-The thing. The no trespassing thing.

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No, she didn't throw it at her leg.

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-She did not throw the damn thing…
-…because I never go.

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-No, she didn't throw it.
-She kind of tossed it.

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Shut up, he's not over here
talking to you.

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She just set it down,
and the lady just happened to be there.

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She didn't throw it at the lady.
She didn't touch the lady or nothing.

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All she did was tell the lady
to stop yelling at her kids.

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That lady yells
at everybody's kids out here.

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Okay. Well, I mean,
I wouldn't go over there anymore.

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She might not like it
because I'm a Black female.

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It's harassing people, like,

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you don't own this.

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You can't tell people…

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The more she says it,

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of course the children don't go
because they know.

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Okay, what does that mean?

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Can't go over there.

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That's fine.
I mean, if it's hers, it's hers.

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It doesn't matter if it's not hers.

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She rents there, just like you rent here.

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You wanted somebody trespassed
from right here,

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you called us,
and we saw them on the property,

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they'd be trespassed, and next time
we came out, they'd go to jail.

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Okay?

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-It's the way that works.
-All right, I mean…

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You have the same right as she does.

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I mean… She doesn't want them over there.

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The landlord put a sign there
for a reason.

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-It is what it is.
-All right.

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-Okay?
-Absolutely.

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I'm sorry.

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Okay. No problem at all.
I understand how you feel.

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Believe me. That's why I got a house.

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This is our last year.
Prayerfully. This is it.

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Case closed!

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I'm gonna write it up as a battery.

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Just no arrests can be made at this time.

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Okay.

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The fact that I didn't actually get her
throwing the sign at me?

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With nobody, and nobody
actually saying that they saw it.

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No independent witnesses
that are credible, so…

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-How convenient.
-All righty?

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-Thank you so much.
-Yes, ma'am.

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You need anything else?

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No, we're just gonna
go on a walk really quick.

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I'm sorry. He's a big baby.

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I love fur babies.

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What's his name? What's that baby's name?

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Cash.

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Cash money.

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We're talking to people.
If anybody heard or saw anything

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or know anything
about the people involved or anything.

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To be honest, sir,
all I know is that lady, the Black lady?

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-She was always with her kids.
-Right.

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She wasn't a threat or anything.

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-Right.
-At all whatsoever.

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She has a little infant,
about two or three years old.

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She's always in the house with him.

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The two little boys and the little girl,

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they are the ones
that's always outside playing.

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I've never heard anything negative
about this lady or anything.

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Ajike, as a mom,
she was like the mom.

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She was a manager for McDonald's.

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You know, Ajike would switch
her schedule around.

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You know, "I can't work this day,
or can't do this, I can't do that"

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just so she can be there for her kids.

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Someone who sacrificed
for the children to have private school,

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football lessons, gymnastics,
dance, everything.

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She would tell me
that there was this white woman

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that lived across the street

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that was always, you know,

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antagonizing the kids
and calling them names.

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Why are they on private property
that they have no means…

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I mean, they don't rent here.

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Well, if those people aren't complaining,

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I can't get them off that property.

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Well, then I'll send
a cease and desist order to them.

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I'll have my lawyer do it.

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There is, in the real estate laws,
you should know this,

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that you have the right to peaceful,
quiet enjoyment of your property.

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You know, that is in the law.

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Well, that's civil, so we don't…
we don't really deal with that.

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I understand,
but those kids shouldn't be over here.

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Okay.

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They shouldn't be screaming
and, you know, running around neither.

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I mean, the parents aren't attending them,
obviously, they're just…

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I understand it's a nuisance,
but I'd rather kids be screaming

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'cause they're out here playing,
have a good time

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than stealing cars and robbing people, so…

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All right. Well, you have a good night.

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What a fucking…

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I own that building next door.
Apartment three.

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Okay.

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I put up a sign,
"Keep off the grass on my property line."

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You put that up?

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Yeah I told her, I says
I can't do any more than my property line.

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And that's a very small portion.

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The majority of the area
belongs to the other quad.

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-Okay.
-That's where they play, mostly.

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I'm having problems
with the neighbors' children.

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They come up to me
and just scream like idiots.

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And I finally lost my nerve today.
I just couldn't take it anymore.

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I called the kids retards.
Then the mother comes screaming at me.

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"Don't call my children retards.
I'm going to put you in a nursing home."

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Um, is there anything I can do
with these people?

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Because they are getting ridiculous.

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I mean, I don't bug anybody.
I'm a single woman.

240
00:13:59,880 --> 00:14:01,924
And I work from home.
You know, I'm peaceful.

241
00:14:02,007 --> 00:14:05,135
I'm like the perfect neighbor.
You barely ever see me.

242
00:14:06,428 --> 00:14:10,015
Number three.
I think one and two is on that side?

243
00:14:32,121 --> 00:14:36,834
Hello, sheriff's office.
What's going on this evening?

244
00:14:36,917 --> 00:14:38,836
Lots of children screaming
their fool heads off,

245
00:14:38,919 --> 00:14:40,087
running around.

246
00:14:40,170 --> 00:14:42,631
I had my truck parked in front of here,

247
00:14:42,715 --> 00:14:44,842
so I didn't have to listen
to the screaming and yelling.

248
00:14:44,925 --> 00:14:47,303
As soon as I moved the truck,
the kids are coming up.

249
00:14:47,386 --> 00:14:48,762
I'm like, guys, stop.

250
00:14:48,846 --> 00:14:51,807
They know they're not supposed to be
here. They've been told a million times.

251
00:14:51,891 --> 00:14:54,059
And the little kid tells me
to shut up to my face.

252
00:14:54,143 --> 00:14:56,478
I said, "Don't be disrespectful to me."

253
00:14:56,562 --> 00:14:58,480
And he's exchanging words back and forth.

254
00:14:58,564 --> 00:15:01,650
I'm like, "Listen, my name is Dr. Lorincz.
Don't tell me to shut up."

255
00:15:01,734 --> 00:15:03,319
And he was calling me names and I'm like,

256
00:15:03,402 --> 00:15:04,904
no, no, no, we're not going to do that.

257
00:15:04,987 --> 00:15:07,323
I'm going to go talk to these kids.

258
00:15:11,535 --> 00:15:13,162
Hello, sheriff's office.

259
00:15:15,122 --> 00:15:16,248
I'm Deputy Heckman.

260
00:15:16,790 --> 00:15:21,086
Were any of you guys over here
messing with this lady?

261
00:15:21,170 --> 00:15:23,547
No. We were playing football.

262
00:15:23,631 --> 00:15:27,384
Hold on. Let me just say
one thing real quick.

263
00:15:27,468 --> 00:15:29,094
Okay.

264
00:15:29,178 --> 00:15:34,683
Because it's an open spot,
all of that is not her property.

265
00:15:34,767 --> 00:15:36,977
So that man that does live right there,

266
00:15:37,061 --> 00:15:38,938
he says that all the kids can play

267
00:15:39,021 --> 00:15:41,815
because they like to play football
over there.

268
00:15:41,899 --> 00:15:44,318
They literally,
they're nowhere near her property.

269
00:15:44,401 --> 00:15:46,946
Y'all can watch her cameras.
They're right over there.

270
00:15:47,029 --> 00:15:49,365
She will come outside, yell at them.

271
00:15:49,448 --> 00:15:54,286
I have yelled at her before
because these are children.

272
00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:57,122
I mean, everyone down this whole block
has yelled at this lady,

273
00:15:57,206 --> 00:15:58,916
because of how she talks to the kids.

274
00:15:58,999 --> 00:16:00,793
When someone,
when an adult says something,

275
00:16:00,876 --> 00:16:02,169
now she wants to call the police.

276
00:16:02,252 --> 00:16:04,672
Kids are just
trying to be kids. I understand.

277
00:16:04,755 --> 00:16:07,174
-I totally understand that.
-Right.

278
00:16:07,257 --> 00:16:08,759
What's going on, y'all?

279
00:16:08,842 --> 00:16:12,346
This is the mom
that went over there and spoke to her.

280
00:16:13,180 --> 00:16:15,224
-Y'all on school break yet?
-Yeah.

281
00:16:15,307 --> 00:16:16,642
When did that start?

282
00:16:16,725 --> 00:16:18,519
Um, like a week ago.

283
00:16:18,602 --> 00:16:21,855
What? I know some people
aren't starting until tomorrow.

284
00:16:23,732 --> 00:16:26,026
Ah, they got
dog doo-doo over here?

285
00:16:26,110 --> 00:16:28,153
Ew, there's so much!

286
00:16:28,237 --> 00:16:30,990
I'm sorry. I want to step a little closer

287
00:16:31,073 --> 00:16:32,866
because I can barely hear you.

288
00:16:33,450 --> 00:16:36,453
I took my son to question
the one whose face that she was in.

289
00:16:37,371 --> 00:16:38,872
And I sent the other two kids inside.

290
00:16:38,956 --> 00:16:41,125
I said that's it, y'all done playing,
come inside.

291
00:16:41,208 --> 00:16:43,961
We go in there and I knock on her door.

292
00:16:44,628 --> 00:16:48,424
And immediately,
"Get the hell off my property."

293
00:16:48,507 --> 00:16:51,135
"You are trespassing.
Get the hell off my property."

294
00:16:51,635 --> 00:16:54,304
So I just said,
"Okay, I'm here with my son,

295
00:16:54,388 --> 00:16:58,892
and I just want to ask you what happened
because I'm not out here."

296
00:16:58,976 --> 00:17:03,063
And there have been times
where kids are going to be kids,

297
00:17:03,147 --> 00:17:06,066
and she'll say something,
and they say something like "Okay, Karen."

298
00:17:06,150 --> 00:17:08,068
-Or somethin' like that.
-Okay, sure.

299
00:17:08,152 --> 00:17:10,195
I've always instructed my kids,

300
00:17:10,279 --> 00:17:12,197
she's still an adult
at the end of the day.

301
00:17:12,281 --> 00:17:14,241
You don't argue with her.
You come and you tell me.

302
00:17:14,324 --> 00:17:15,909
Let me take it up with her.

303
00:17:15,993 --> 00:17:18,662
Whose mom are you? Any of them?

304
00:17:18,746 --> 00:17:20,998
Well, they're all mine. I'm sorry, no.

305
00:17:21,957 --> 00:17:25,169
My kids aren't really here, but
they are always outside playing with them.

306
00:17:25,252 --> 00:17:27,838
So let me just talk to you guys
real quick, okay?

307
00:17:27,921 --> 00:17:33,093
-Um, what kind of names did she call you?
-She calls us retards.

308
00:17:33,177 --> 00:17:36,764
"Retards," the B-word, the P-word.

309
00:17:37,264 --> 00:17:39,683
-She pulls up, she drives that truck.
-Right.

310
00:17:39,767 --> 00:17:41,226
So she'll park it there.

311
00:17:41,310 --> 00:17:43,979
Then she'll set her alarm off from inside.

312
00:17:44,063 --> 00:17:46,356
That's what she said,
that she'll park her truck up here.

313
00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:47,441
Then she'll come over.

314
00:17:47,524 --> 00:17:50,027
"You guys are getting near my truck,
you're touching my truck."

315
00:17:50,110 --> 00:17:52,279
So, the last time she did it,
I told all the kids.

316
00:17:52,362 --> 00:17:53,781
I said… I was out here with my dog,

317
00:17:53,864 --> 00:17:56,075
and I happened to see her pull there,
and they'll tell me,

318
00:17:56,158 --> 00:17:58,994
"Mom, she set the alarm off.
We did not do anything to her truck."

319
00:17:59,078 --> 00:18:01,455
So this particular day,
I told them, I said,

320
00:18:01,538 --> 00:18:03,290
"Everybody come over here
and let's just see."

321
00:18:03,373 --> 00:18:07,503
And sure enough, just randomly,
like every six minutes,

322
00:18:07,586 --> 00:18:10,172
the alarm would go off
and nobody's even over there.

323
00:18:10,255 --> 00:18:12,716
So, I'm like, go back and play.
Then she'll come outside.

324
00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:16,178
"Oh, you guys are near my truck.
This is private property."

325
00:18:16,261 --> 00:18:19,181
Lady, they weren't even over there
and you're setting off the alarm.

326
00:18:19,264 --> 00:18:22,059
-Like, why don't you want kids to be kids?
-Just being mean.

327
00:18:22,142 --> 00:18:24,228
They're not terrorizing the neighborhood.

328
00:18:24,311 --> 00:18:26,480
They're not ringing your doorbell
and running.

329
00:18:26,563 --> 00:18:27,856
They are playing football.

330
00:18:27,940 --> 00:18:30,859
-They're not even messing with her.
-They're playing hide-and-go-seek.

331
00:18:30,943 --> 00:18:32,319
-Like, seriously.
-Yeah.

332
00:18:32,402 --> 00:18:36,156
Yes, ma'am. I'll go let my partner know.

333
00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:38,200
You know what a devil's advocate is,

334
00:18:38,784 --> 00:18:40,744
so that means I play both sides, right?

335
00:18:40,828 --> 00:18:44,623
So I got to think of
both aspects of every situation.

336
00:18:44,706 --> 00:18:46,959
So I was a kid once.
Everyone was a kid once.

337
00:18:47,042 --> 00:18:50,921
We're all loud as kids,
we like to yell and scream and fight.

338
00:18:51,004 --> 00:18:52,005
And so I get it.

339
00:18:52,089 --> 00:18:55,717
But when it's close to someone's house,
sure, it gets a little annoying sometimes.

340
00:18:55,801 --> 00:18:59,221
I won't lie, okay? But if you guys
have permission to be over there,

341
00:18:59,304 --> 00:19:02,432
then, you know, I can't really
get on you guys too much.

342
00:19:02,516 --> 00:19:06,895
But if someone's going on her property,
which is just her porch, it's not okay.

343
00:19:06,979 --> 00:19:09,189
I'm not saying you did.
She's claiming you did.

344
00:19:09,273 --> 00:19:12,818
I wasn't here to see it, so I can't… I
can't go one way or the other, all right?

345
00:19:12,901 --> 00:19:15,279
She did have, like…
she has cameras, she records us.

346
00:19:15,362 --> 00:19:18,198
Yeah, okay. So…

347
00:19:18,282 --> 00:19:22,077
And I want you guys to run around,
hoot and holler all you can,

348
00:19:22,161 --> 00:19:24,371
because I'd rather see you guys
outside playing

349
00:19:24,454 --> 00:19:26,874
than on them TikToks, all right?

350
00:19:28,584 --> 00:19:31,295
If she starts screaming at you guys,
I want you to go tell an adult.

351
00:19:31,378 --> 00:19:33,797
Okay, I don't want you
to antagonize her, okay?

352
00:19:33,881 --> 00:19:37,467
Because what happens is
when you guys antagonize her,

353
00:19:37,551 --> 00:19:39,344
she can make you guys look bad.

354
00:19:39,428 --> 00:19:42,681
And you guys are just
out here playing, right? Okay.

355
00:19:43,265 --> 00:19:46,268
You guys understand everything, you kind
of get where I'm comin' from with that?

356
00:19:46,351 --> 00:19:48,937
I want to make you guys
look like the good guys, okay?

357
00:19:49,021 --> 00:19:50,814
-All righty.
-Thanks.

358
00:19:50,898 --> 00:19:52,357
You're very welcome.

359
00:19:55,569 --> 00:19:59,239
Mom said that
they were over here playing football.

360
00:19:59,323 --> 00:20:01,241
The old man, I guess, lives over here.

361
00:20:01,325 --> 00:20:03,035
They said
he comes out and plays with them.

362
00:20:03,118 --> 00:20:04,536
Yeah. He has no problem with kids.

363
00:20:04,620 --> 00:20:06,663
-She's the only problem.
-Yeah.

364
00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:08,749
'Cause they were saying,
they'll be outside playing.

365
00:20:08,832 --> 00:20:10,375
I was like, I get it, you guys are loud.

366
00:20:10,459 --> 00:20:11,501
Like, yeah, sometimes.

367
00:20:11,585 --> 00:20:13,045
-They're kids.
-Yeah.

368
00:20:13,128 --> 00:20:14,379
They're like, even if we're not,

369
00:20:14,463 --> 00:20:16,673
we'll just be sitting there,
and she'll scream at us.

370
00:20:17,174 --> 00:20:19,927
And that's what Mom's said.
Nobody's even over there.

371
00:20:20,010 --> 00:20:22,471
If the kids are just, like,
hanging out there in the open field,

372
00:20:22,554 --> 00:20:24,306
she'll just set the car alarm off.

373
00:20:24,389 --> 00:20:26,516
So she's just been…

374
00:20:26,600 --> 00:20:29,228
I should get some Pop-Its for
New Year's and bring them back to them.

375
00:20:29,311 --> 00:20:30,812
Right!

376
00:20:31,521 --> 00:20:33,899
-Y'all have a good evening.
-Thank you.

377
00:20:37,778 --> 00:20:39,279
Psycho.

378
00:20:40,697 --> 00:20:42,866
It's an open field for them to go play.

379
00:20:42,950 --> 00:20:47,287
It's not an open field. It's two,
um, parcels that… one belongs to him.

380
00:20:47,371 --> 00:20:49,289
One belongs to the neighbor.
It's not an open lot.

381
00:20:49,373 --> 00:20:52,918
-So it doesn't even belong to you.
-I understand.

382
00:20:53,001 --> 00:20:56,171
Okay, so we've instructed the kids
to not bother you.

383
00:20:56,255 --> 00:20:57,172
Okay.

384
00:20:57,256 --> 00:21:00,050
Or if you come out
and you say something to them,

385
00:21:00,133 --> 00:21:02,344
they're supposed to go get their parents.

386
00:21:02,427 --> 00:21:04,179
What about her threat
that she's going to come

387
00:21:04,263 --> 00:21:05,555
and drag my ass and beat me?

388
00:21:05,639 --> 00:21:09,393
Well, that's not what she said,
according to her.

389
00:21:09,476 --> 00:21:11,520
Oh, no. Honest to God, she said that.

390
00:21:11,603 --> 00:21:14,606
Well, at the end of the day,
it's she said-she said.

391
00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:16,817
On top of what the kids said,
the kids said

392
00:21:16,900 --> 00:21:20,070
that you came out and you were
coming at them in an aggressive manner

393
00:21:20,153 --> 00:21:22,072
and they thought
that you were going to hurt them.

394
00:21:22,155 --> 00:21:23,865
Oh, yeah, sure.

395
00:21:25,325 --> 00:21:27,536
I have to believe you,
but I also have to believe them.

396
00:21:27,619 --> 00:21:29,788
So, like I said,
it's all going to be documented.

397
00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:32,416
If you'd like a copy of the report,

398
00:21:32,499 --> 00:21:35,585
you can call the sheriff's office
and get documentation of it.

399
00:21:35,669 --> 00:21:38,255
All right. Yeah, no, I would never, ever.

400
00:21:38,338 --> 00:21:39,673
Yes, ma'am.

401
00:21:39,756 --> 00:21:41,133
Unbelievable.

402
00:21:41,216 --> 00:21:43,885
So, like I said, if there's
any future problems, just give us a call.

403
00:21:43,969 --> 00:21:45,971
-I instructed them to do the same.
-Okay. Okay.

404
00:21:46,054 --> 00:21:48,181
-Okay?
-Okay. Yeah.

405
00:21:55,939 --> 00:21:58,275
Is there issues with this person? Like…

406
00:21:58,358 --> 00:22:01,236
If you check history
on dispatch from her phone number,

407
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:02,946
this is nonstop.

408
00:22:03,864 --> 00:22:05,907
Then she got an air horn.

409
00:22:06,616 --> 00:22:08,869
And she would open her door
and stand there.

410
00:22:08,952 --> 00:22:11,246
-Scared the hell outta me.
-Yeah.

411
00:22:12,372 --> 00:22:16,251
She would drive her pickup
and just go "Waaah!" Like, in the field.

412
00:22:16,335 --> 00:22:20,297
And I mean, she gunned her engine so hard.

413
00:22:20,380 --> 00:22:22,758
I swear, I thought
one of these kids was hit.

414
00:22:22,841 --> 00:22:24,092
I swear.

415
00:22:24,176 --> 00:22:26,511
And she just kept on
flying out the neighborhood.

416
00:22:56,541 --> 00:22:59,336
He pulls in,
and there's a lady in there ramming…

417
00:22:59,419 --> 00:23:02,422
like, just ramming the gate
back and forth with her truck.

418
00:23:02,506 --> 00:23:04,758
I don't know,
she obviously must've got locked in,

419
00:23:04,841 --> 00:23:08,136
but I don't know what
she was doing back there to begin with,

420
00:23:08,220 --> 00:23:10,847
because this gate's always locked
and there's signs, you know?

421
00:23:10,931 --> 00:23:12,891
One other time a guy got locked in here,

422
00:23:12,974 --> 00:23:16,269
and he called me
and he got let out, you know.

423
00:23:16,353 --> 00:23:18,230
-All right.
-It's that simple.

424
00:23:18,313 --> 00:23:21,942
This isn't open to the public.
You have to register, and…

425
00:23:22,025 --> 00:23:23,944
All right, well, give me one second.

426
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:38,333
2018 Nissan truck, gray. 1054…

427
00:23:38,417 --> 00:23:40,252
Ah, she lives right down the street.

428
00:24:30,302 --> 00:24:34,181
-One minute!
-Jeez.

429
00:24:36,975 --> 00:24:38,685
Sheriff's office.

430
00:24:41,480 --> 00:24:42,481
What do you want?

431
00:24:42,564 --> 00:24:44,107
-Are you Miss Susan?
-Yes, I am.

432
00:24:44,191 --> 00:24:45,942
Can you step out here for a second?

433
00:24:46,026 --> 00:24:48,028
-I was in bed.
-Okay.

434
00:24:54,743 --> 00:24:55,869
-Hello.
-I am in a nightgown.

435
00:24:55,952 --> 00:24:58,330
Okay. I just have a couple of questions.

436
00:24:58,413 --> 00:25:00,916
My name is Deputy Paddock
with the Marion County Sheriff's Office.

437
00:25:00,999 --> 00:25:03,585
-Okay.
-Where were you at today?

438
00:25:04,127 --> 00:25:06,004
Um, here.

439
00:25:06,087 --> 00:25:07,047
-You were here?
-Yeah.

440
00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:08,590
Is that your pickup truck out there?

441
00:25:08,673 --> 00:25:10,091
-Yes, it is.
-Okay.

442
00:25:10,175 --> 00:25:12,886
I just have to read you something
before I ask anything else, okay?

443
00:25:12,969 --> 00:25:13,845
Okay.

444
00:25:13,929 --> 00:25:15,931
Did you let anybody
use your pickup truck today?

445
00:25:16,014 --> 00:25:17,224
-No.
-No?

446
00:25:17,724 --> 00:25:21,394
And by your knowledge,
your pickup truck was here the entire day?

447
00:25:21,478 --> 00:25:23,939
I went out earlier today
because I had a flat.

448
00:25:24,022 --> 00:25:24,856
Okay.

449
00:25:26,816 --> 00:25:29,027
Do you mind just stepping out here
just for a second?

450
00:25:31,863 --> 00:25:33,114
Okay, so I have to read you this

451
00:25:33,198 --> 00:25:35,033
because I have to ask you
very direct questions.

452
00:25:35,116 --> 00:25:36,034
-Okay.
-All right?

453
00:25:36,117 --> 00:25:37,077
You have the right to remain silent.

454
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,371
Anything you say can be used
against you in the court of law.

455
00:25:39,454 --> 00:25:42,541
You have the right to talk to a lawyer
and have him present while questioned.

456
00:25:42,624 --> 00:25:45,544
-If you can't afford to hire--
-Can I get something on? I'm freezing.

457
00:25:45,627 --> 00:25:48,630
No. Come back.
Come back. No, no, no, no, no.

458
00:25:48,713 --> 00:25:50,340
Let me just get something on.

459
00:25:50,882 --> 00:25:53,510
Do you understand each of these rights
as I've explained them to you?

460
00:25:53,593 --> 00:25:54,427
Yes.

461
00:25:54,511 --> 00:25:56,137
Having these rights in mind,
do you wish to talk to me now?

462
00:25:56,221 --> 00:25:57,180
-No.
-What?

463
00:25:57,264 --> 00:25:58,765
-No.
-No?

464
00:26:00,850 --> 00:26:01,810
Okay.

465
00:26:02,811 --> 00:26:05,021
So, since you don't want
to talk to me,

466
00:26:05,105 --> 00:26:08,275
what I'll have to do is
I'll go and find the truck driver

467
00:26:08,358 --> 00:26:09,484
that saw you there.

468
00:26:09,568 --> 00:26:11,027
-Yeah.
-And do a photo lineup.

469
00:26:11,111 --> 00:26:12,904
And then when he identifies you,

470
00:26:12,988 --> 00:26:14,990
the person is willing
to want to press charges.

471
00:26:15,073 --> 00:26:16,700
So I'll come back here.

472
00:26:16,783 --> 00:26:20,537
I've already asked you.
You told me you don't want to talk to me.

473
00:26:20,620 --> 00:26:23,290
Anything else you say
I wouldn't be able to use at all.

474
00:26:23,373 --> 00:26:25,917
So I'm not going to go forward with this.

475
00:26:26,001 --> 00:26:28,545
If you don't want to talk to me,
that's fine. That's your choice.

476
00:26:28,628 --> 00:26:30,380
I didn't realize what it was. I'm sorry.

477
00:26:30,463 --> 00:26:35,135
You realize what it was because you
pretty much started saying it beforehand.

478
00:26:35,218 --> 00:26:37,012
And now you've said that you don't.

479
00:26:37,095 --> 00:26:38,972
I'm not going to do that.

480
00:26:39,055 --> 00:26:42,517
Okay. I was taking medication.
That's why I didn't want to talk.

481
00:26:43,018 --> 00:26:44,311
I'm sorry, I panicked.

482
00:26:44,394 --> 00:26:47,647
And then the guy locked me in there,
I thought…

483
00:26:47,731 --> 00:26:51,026
I'm sorry. I've been previously raped
and beaten.

484
00:26:51,109 --> 00:26:52,777
And so I panicked.

485
00:26:52,861 --> 00:26:54,070
I mean, I really panicked.

486
00:26:54,654 --> 00:26:56,072
And then I thought I was in trouble.

487
00:26:56,156 --> 00:26:57,949
Like, I thought
someone was going to harm me.

488
00:26:58,033 --> 00:27:00,493
Okay. So, here's the issue
that we're going to have.

489
00:27:00,577 --> 00:27:03,371
All right? He wants
somebody to pay for his gate,

490
00:27:03,455 --> 00:27:05,415
because you severely damaged his gate.

491
00:27:05,498 --> 00:27:09,419
I also severely damaged my truck.
I'm not kidding. I just freaked out.

492
00:27:09,502 --> 00:27:11,921
Okay, well, I'll go down there
and talk to him, okay?

493
00:27:12,005 --> 00:27:14,507
-I was trying to get out.
-I getcha.

494
00:27:27,562 --> 00:27:32,359
Susan,
she would come out and scream.

495
00:27:32,442 --> 00:27:36,488
And the language.
Around these little kids!

496
00:27:36,571 --> 00:27:39,240
-That Susan would use?
-Yeah. Oh ho ho!

497
00:27:40,367 --> 00:27:42,369
Describe to me what she was saying.

498
00:27:42,452 --> 00:27:45,121
The F-word. The B-word.

499
00:27:45,622 --> 00:27:47,332
B-word and F-word.

500
00:27:47,916 --> 00:27:49,459
She called them slaves.

501
00:27:49,542 --> 00:27:51,294
She told them
that the field that they were on

502
00:27:51,378 --> 00:27:53,880
wasn't the Underground Railroad.

503
00:27:54,381 --> 00:27:58,134
Calling the little kids "niggers"
and all this and all of that.

504
00:28:05,767 --> 00:28:08,228
Are you guys chasing a dog around here?

505
00:28:08,311 --> 00:28:10,021
Chasing a dog? What color is it?

506
00:28:10,105 --> 00:28:11,147
I don't know.

507
00:28:13,983 --> 00:28:14,984
What color is it?

508
00:28:15,068 --> 00:28:18,238
You guys chasing a dog or trying
to put a dog into a car or something?

509
00:28:18,321 --> 00:28:22,117
-No. The Karen called.
-The Karen called.

510
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,118
She's saying…

511
00:28:23,201 --> 00:28:26,871
I don't know why she keeps
trying to waste her time.

512
00:28:26,955 --> 00:28:28,707
The kids are just playing
around here, right?

513
00:28:28,790 --> 00:28:30,208
Excuse me. He wants to talk to you.

514
00:28:30,291 --> 00:28:33,044
-She came out and started talking smack.
-And she flipped me off.

515
00:28:33,128 --> 00:28:35,380
She's flipped him off,
because this is public space.

516
00:28:37,257 --> 00:28:39,968
I dealt with this before,
let me go talk to this guy.

517
00:28:44,097 --> 00:28:46,015
-I just came outside.
-How you doing, sir?

518
00:28:46,099 --> 00:28:48,017
Nine times out of ten,
that lady probably called.

519
00:28:48,101 --> 00:28:49,018
I know.

520
00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:51,688
You know what I'm sayin'?
The kids always play.

521
00:28:51,771 --> 00:28:55,608
They always play over there. This man
over here say they can play in the grass.

522
00:28:55,692 --> 00:28:58,987
She's… I don't know if she's
schizophrenic, bipolar, I don't know.

523
00:28:59,070 --> 00:29:00,613
Are these rentals or do you buy them?

524
00:29:00,697 --> 00:29:02,407
-Rentals.
-These are rentals?

525
00:29:02,490 --> 00:29:05,452
So you can buy some.
I mean, I think she owns hers.

526
00:29:05,535 --> 00:29:07,662
But it doesn't even come
with property, does it? It's just a house.

527
00:29:07,746 --> 00:29:08,580
I don't think so.

528
00:29:08,663 --> 00:29:11,624
-'Cause if it's a duplex, it wouldn't.
-She does it all the time.

529
00:29:11,708 --> 00:29:13,126
Oh, I know. I've been here.

530
00:29:13,209 --> 00:29:15,628
I've been here when they were
playing tag and "trespassing."

531
00:29:15,712 --> 00:29:18,339
-She do it all the time.
-I'll go talk to her.

532
00:29:23,928 --> 00:29:25,054
I'm gonna go talk to her.

533
00:29:25,138 --> 00:29:26,765
Is she going to yell at us?

534
00:29:26,848 --> 00:29:29,184
She asks…

535
00:29:29,267 --> 00:29:34,689
Every time I walk past, she thinks
we're trying to steal her truck.

536
00:29:34,773 --> 00:29:38,276
-Or by her truck!
-We're not even… We're 11!

537
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:39,319
Okay, yeah.

538
00:29:39,402 --> 00:29:41,070
Do you even know how to drive?

539
00:29:41,154 --> 00:29:42,322
No!

540
00:29:56,753 --> 00:29:58,963
-Hello. How are you?
-Good. Is it Susan?

541
00:29:59,047 --> 00:30:00,799
-Yes.
-Okay. What's going on?

542
00:30:00,882 --> 00:30:04,260
The kid from across the street
and his little buddies,

543
00:30:04,344 --> 00:30:06,679
they are over here,
they're stepping on the signs and stuff.

544
00:30:06,763 --> 00:30:09,849
He brings out a puppy.
He wants to put his puppy in my truck.

545
00:30:11,267 --> 00:30:13,102
-I don't go for that.
-In the bed of your truck?

546
00:30:13,186 --> 00:30:14,270
-Yeah.
-Who?

547
00:30:15,063 --> 00:30:17,106
This little child who posed for me

548
00:30:17,190 --> 00:30:19,400
because he thought
he was being so bloody cute.

549
00:30:22,070 --> 00:30:23,321
That little child.

550
00:30:24,823 --> 00:30:27,450
-He was the one that put the dog in?
-He was trying to.

551
00:30:27,534 --> 00:30:28,701
What kind of dog was it?

552
00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:30,912
-Just a little small dog.
-Okay.

553
00:30:32,831 --> 00:30:34,415
She calls the police every day.

554
00:30:34,499 --> 00:30:36,292
You're acting like a bunch of kids.

555
00:30:36,376 --> 00:30:38,753
-Yeah! 'Cause we are kids.
-I know.

556
00:30:39,254 --> 00:30:40,296
Duh!

557
00:30:40,797 --> 00:30:43,132
That's why we don't worry about it.

558
00:30:44,717 --> 00:30:46,719
His mother has literally attacked me.

559
00:30:46,803 --> 00:30:48,638
Picked up the sign and threw it at me.

560
00:30:49,556 --> 00:30:51,975
I literally don't do anything over here.
I'm quiet.

561
00:30:52,058 --> 00:30:54,769
You know, I expect
my neighbors to be respectful.

562
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:55,895
Okay?

563
00:30:55,979 --> 00:30:58,731
I apologize this happened as well.

564
00:30:59,232 --> 00:31:01,568
-She not come to the door?
-She did.

565
00:31:01,651 --> 00:31:03,111
-I was trying to talk to her.
-Okay.

566
00:31:03,194 --> 00:31:06,155
Did you explain to her that
there doesn't need to be a call

567
00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:09,409
every time a kid's playing
on the road or in the yard?

568
00:31:09,492 --> 00:31:11,703
Well, apparently,
they've been stomping…

569
00:31:11,786 --> 00:31:13,913
That one looks like
it's stomped out, too.

570
00:31:13,997 --> 00:31:16,374
Apparently, they've been
stomping out her signs

571
00:31:16,457 --> 00:31:18,960
and running past her windows
and screaming

572
00:31:19,043 --> 00:31:21,588
and, like, ding-dong ditching her
and are knocking on the door.

573
00:31:21,671 --> 00:31:23,840
There does come a point
where you kind of have to accept

574
00:31:23,923 --> 00:31:25,550
that you live with a bunch of kids.

575
00:31:25,633 --> 00:31:30,972
But she's also the only one
that ever calls.

576
00:31:31,764 --> 00:31:32,682
Yeah.

577
00:31:45,236 --> 00:31:47,113
But this bossy one,
you need to take her to jail!

578
00:31:47,196 --> 00:31:49,574
-I ain't takin' her to jail.
-She's bossy!

579
00:31:49,657 --> 00:31:52,911
We're gonna take off,
but can you guys just do me a favor?

580
00:31:52,994 --> 00:31:53,953
You're bossy! Bossy!

581
00:31:54,037 --> 00:31:56,664
Just keep an eye on your kids
and make sure they don't go over there?

582
00:31:56,748 --> 00:32:00,627
Because I think we all
appreciate not getting a bunch of calls

583
00:32:00,710 --> 00:32:02,712
to come over here
over and over about nothing.

584
00:32:02,795 --> 00:32:05,131
We all kind of know what the deal is.

585
00:32:05,214 --> 00:32:09,677
This is, like, six, seven times.
I think it's like twice a week.

586
00:32:10,678 --> 00:32:11,554
And you know what?

587
00:32:11,638 --> 00:32:16,100
When I was growing up, I was doin' all
the same stuff that these kids were doing.

588
00:32:16,184 --> 00:32:18,227
-Yeah.
-I was probably…

589
00:32:18,728 --> 00:32:21,022
Allegedly. Maybe. I don't know,

590
00:32:21,105 --> 00:32:25,610
I was probably bothering one of my
older neighbors that hated kids, you know?

591
00:32:26,152 --> 00:32:28,571
You know? I'm not saying it's right.

592
00:32:28,655 --> 00:32:29,781
Back in our day, though,

593
00:32:29,864 --> 00:32:32,367
if you were doing that,
they could just come out and threaten you.

594
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:35,328
-Yeah.
-Come out with the belt, you know?

595
00:32:35,411 --> 00:32:38,456
Yeah. Yeah.
But then you know what? You ran like hell.

596
00:32:38,539 --> 00:32:41,501
I come from the era
where your parents are so cool,

597
00:32:41,584 --> 00:32:44,045
and you got your ass whooped there,
and then you got…

598
00:32:44,128 --> 00:32:45,964
-Really?
-Yeah. Yeah, me too.

599
00:32:46,047 --> 00:32:50,051
I get it. I understand.
Like, they're kids.

600
00:32:50,134 --> 00:32:54,931
And that's why we don't… we don't
come out acting all crazy about it.

601
00:32:55,014 --> 00:32:57,850
We all… All the parents are cool.

602
00:32:59,102 --> 00:33:02,146
I look out for them
just like I look out for my own.

603
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:04,941
Do you know what
that kid in the red shirt's name is?

604
00:33:05,024 --> 00:33:06,693
-Which one?
-The one right there.

605
00:33:06,776 --> 00:33:09,529
-The little short one?
-Yeah.

606
00:33:09,612 --> 00:33:10,571
Ahh. Nope.

607
00:33:10,655 --> 00:33:15,535
What's your… Afrika? Afrika?
What's your brother name?

608
00:33:15,618 --> 00:33:18,454
My big brother? Isaac.

609
00:33:20,039 --> 00:33:22,792
Red shirt? Izzy.

610
00:33:22,875 --> 00:33:24,711
Does he have a little puppy?

611
00:33:24,794 --> 00:33:26,295
-Nah.
-Yes.

612
00:33:26,379 --> 00:33:29,048
She's saying he was trying to put the dog
in the back of the truck.

613
00:33:31,676 --> 00:33:35,138
-In the back of the truck?
-You think he can even lift that dog?

614
00:33:35,221 --> 00:33:36,848
That dog is bigger than him.

615
00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:41,352
The poodle is bigger than him.
Literally. Like, that dog is…

616
00:33:41,436 --> 00:33:44,147
That dog stands this tall,
about this wide around.

617
00:33:45,398 --> 00:33:48,359
-He can't lift that dog.
-He can try.

618
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:54,407
Well, y'all need anything from us,
or are we good? Okay.

619
00:33:58,953 --> 00:34:00,496
See you guys.

620
00:34:01,914 --> 00:34:02,874
Bye!

621
00:34:05,793 --> 00:34:07,795
All right, y'all have fun.

622
00:34:15,845 --> 00:34:18,765
The neighbors and I would
all talk about well, why didn't she move?

623
00:34:18,848 --> 00:34:22,185
I said, when I moved in here,
she told me she was moving out.

624
00:34:24,187 --> 00:34:25,855
She kept saying she was moving.

625
00:34:25,938 --> 00:34:28,399
In March, in February,
and I was just wondering

626
00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:30,109
why she ain't never got out of here yet.

627
00:34:36,574 --> 00:34:39,869
They just keep…
They're trespassing, trespassing.

628
00:34:40,411 --> 00:34:42,705
Called an officer out last night,
nobody shows up.

629
00:34:42,789 --> 00:34:47,752
I guess the mother of the children
may have interceded.

630
00:34:47,835 --> 00:34:49,295
She was out there waiting.

631
00:34:50,505 --> 00:34:53,049
I mean, I just have
the burnt sign that they threw.

632
00:34:53,132 --> 00:34:55,343
I'm like, all right,
you're sending me a message.

633
00:34:55,426 --> 00:34:56,677
Thank you so much.

634
00:34:57,804 --> 00:35:02,141
You want to see them go to jail,
or do some sort of recourse for it?

635
00:35:02,225 --> 00:35:04,685
Yes, absolutely.

636
00:35:04,769 --> 00:35:06,270
I like being honest with everybody

637
00:35:06,354 --> 00:35:09,398
so they know exactly
what's set down and done for them.

638
00:35:10,274 --> 00:35:12,985
This is basically just gonna be
an official police document

639
00:35:13,069 --> 00:35:16,572
because you don't have video proof…

640
00:35:16,656 --> 00:35:17,615
I know.

641
00:35:17,698 --> 00:35:19,617
…of the arson and the criminal mischief.

642
00:35:19,700 --> 00:35:23,788
So it will just be a police document,
more or less.

643
00:35:28,584 --> 00:35:31,462
Another day happened that

644
00:35:31,546 --> 00:35:35,633
my friend told me that the lady over there

645
00:35:36,759 --> 00:35:39,554
showed the kids that she had a gun.

646
00:35:41,806 --> 00:35:43,391
We were just playing over there,

647
00:35:43,474 --> 00:35:46,269
and then she was waving her gun
and Isaac and all of them were like, run!

648
00:35:46,352 --> 00:35:48,521
And we were hiding
behind this car right here.

649
00:35:49,438 --> 00:35:51,732
And every time
the basketball would go up there,

650
00:35:51,816 --> 00:35:53,151
I would be on my P's and Q's.

651
00:35:53,234 --> 00:35:56,779
Like, 'cause I ain't trying to get shot
just for going on her driveway type shit.

652
00:35:58,281 --> 00:36:00,491
Maybe, like, two days before that?

653
00:36:00,992 --> 00:36:03,619
About two days before she showed this gun?

654
00:36:03,703 --> 00:36:04,745
Yes.

655
00:36:06,873 --> 00:36:08,499
What were you doing that day

656
00:36:08,583 --> 00:36:10,835
during the daytime hours
when the sun was out on Friday?

657
00:36:10,918 --> 00:36:16,549
Well, me and my dad
and my friends were playing a game.

658
00:36:16,632 --> 00:36:19,302
She was taking pictures of us playing.

659
00:36:19,385 --> 00:36:22,180
Why is she recording us?

660
00:36:22,263 --> 00:36:24,515
There's nothing to record!

661
00:36:32,190 --> 00:36:33,733
Line up, let's go!

662
00:36:35,651 --> 00:36:36,777
My little brother,

663
00:36:36,861 --> 00:36:40,072
he came and got me,
and he said the old, no offense,

664
00:36:40,156 --> 00:36:42,783
but he said the old white lady outside is
acting crazy.

665
00:36:42,867 --> 00:36:46,078
So I'm like, oh, damn. I'm like,
let me come see what that's about.

666
00:36:58,507 --> 00:37:00,676
So I was outside playing basketball,

667
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,931
and I just see a pair of roller skates
flying at Izzy.

668
00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:09,477
So me and then Izzy came over here.
He said the woman had a tablet.

669
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:12,355
I guess the woman took it
and he came over there and said

670
00:37:12,438 --> 00:37:14,815
she threw roller skates at him.

671
00:37:14,899 --> 00:37:17,235
So me and Isaac went over there.

672
00:37:17,318 --> 00:37:21,197
And then she came out
and with the umbrella

673
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,742
and started swinging it,
and called us a jack A-S-S.

674
00:37:24,825 --> 00:37:28,704
Next thing I heard him say
was, "Izzy, go get Mom."

675
00:37:39,882 --> 00:37:42,343
911. What is the address
of your emergency?

676
00:37:42,426 --> 00:37:45,930
We got kids trespassing, standing
there, leaving all the toys around,

677
00:37:46,013 --> 00:37:49,934
just screaming, yelling,
just being absolutely obnoxious.

678
00:37:50,017 --> 00:37:52,979
I went and threw the roller skates
over to the other side.

679
00:37:53,062 --> 00:37:55,147
The kid says,
"I'm going to beat you up for that."

680
00:37:55,231 --> 00:37:56,857
Is he out there right now?

681
00:37:56,941 --> 00:37:58,943
Yeah, there are
several kids out there now.

682
00:37:59,026 --> 00:38:00,444
I'm fearing for my life.

683
00:38:01,028 --> 00:38:02,321
I'm very scared.

684
00:38:04,115 --> 00:38:06,117
Were there any weapons involved?

685
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,326
No.

686
00:38:07,410 --> 00:38:09,453
And the kid's saying I took his iPad

687
00:38:09,537 --> 00:38:12,123
and all this other shady shit
that isn't true.

688
00:38:12,623 --> 00:38:15,001
I don't like the kids threatening
me that they'll beat me up,

689
00:38:15,084 --> 00:38:17,128
that they're going to get
someone else to kill me.

690
00:38:17,628 --> 00:38:19,213
This is just ridiculous.

691
00:38:19,297 --> 00:38:21,632
They just keep badgering me
and badgering me.

692
00:38:21,716 --> 00:38:23,467
I'm just sick of these children.

693
00:38:23,968 --> 00:38:26,762
Now that they're home from school,
it's like, you know,

694
00:38:27,763 --> 00:38:28,931
craziness.

695
00:38:30,182 --> 00:38:32,643
All right,
we do want you to avoid that person

696
00:38:32,727 --> 00:38:34,603
and then keep your doors
and windows locked.

697
00:38:34,687 --> 00:38:37,315
An officer will be dispatched
as soon as possible.

698
00:38:37,398 --> 00:38:39,734
Do you want the officer to contact you?

699
00:38:39,817 --> 00:38:40,693
Please. Yes.

700
00:38:40,776 --> 00:38:42,278
All right.

701
00:38:42,361 --> 00:38:43,988
Because what's going to happen is,

702
00:38:44,071 --> 00:38:45,740
his mom's gonna go
and wait for the officer,

703
00:38:45,823 --> 00:38:48,075
and run and say,
"Oh my God," I was threatening her kid.

704
00:38:48,159 --> 00:38:49,827
Which just isn't true.

705
00:38:49,910 --> 00:38:52,288
All right.
I'm going to go ahead and let you go,

706
00:38:52,371 --> 00:38:54,373
but please call us back
if anything changes

707
00:38:54,457 --> 00:38:57,793
or if you get any further information
or if they do leave, okay?

708
00:38:57,877 --> 00:38:59,128
Okay, thanks.

709
00:39:02,423 --> 00:39:04,967
Izzy's mom came outside,

710
00:39:05,509 --> 00:39:07,720
and then she started all mad,

711
00:39:07,803 --> 00:39:11,265
she started walking to,
to the lady's house,

712
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:16,103
and then she started banging on her,

713
00:39:16,187 --> 00:39:20,775
like, slide open door,
and then regular door.

714
00:39:21,317 --> 00:39:23,235
And it's not like

715
00:39:23,319 --> 00:39:25,488
somebody's throwing their body
against the door

716
00:39:25,571 --> 00:39:27,865
trying to open it and just pounding on it.

717
00:39:28,366 --> 00:39:30,117
Like I said, let me in.

718
00:39:30,618 --> 00:39:33,037
I hear knocking like dun, dun, dun.

719
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,040
And then she didn't answer,
and then I hear her knocking again,

720
00:39:36,123 --> 00:39:38,959
but this time louder, like dun, dun, dun.

721
00:39:39,043 --> 00:39:43,756
Thud, thud, thud.
And as the thudding was going on,

722
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:47,718
a woman was screaming
like at the top of her lungs.

723
00:39:47,802 --> 00:39:49,053
In a, like, mad voice.

724
00:39:49,136 --> 00:39:51,931
She said,
"Why did you take my son's tablet?"

725
00:39:52,014 --> 00:39:55,518
She said, "Come outside,
bitch," or something like that.

726
00:39:55,601 --> 00:39:58,020
"I know you hear me outside, bitch."
Something like that.

727
00:39:58,104 --> 00:40:00,898
Where was the lady at,
the woman with the blonde hair?

728
00:40:00,981 --> 00:40:02,149
Where did she go?

729
00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:04,193
She was inside her house.

730
00:40:04,276 --> 00:40:07,863
Did you hear
the blonde woman say anything at all?

731
00:40:07,947 --> 00:40:08,906
No.

732
00:40:08,989 --> 00:40:11,200
Did this…
This one, two, three?

733
00:40:11,283 --> 00:40:12,868
Was this over a long or a short period?

734
00:40:12,952 --> 00:40:14,912
It was just those literally two knocks.

735
00:40:14,995 --> 00:40:16,747
That's all she got was two knocks.

736
00:40:16,831 --> 00:40:18,457
And then bang!

737
00:40:23,879 --> 00:40:25,256
Call 911!

738
00:40:34,181 --> 00:40:36,142
Hey, call 911!

739
00:40:45,651 --> 00:40:47,278
Please!

740
00:40:48,154 --> 00:40:49,447
She shot my mom!

741
00:40:50,781 --> 00:40:52,575
-Who shot your mom?
-The Karen!

742
00:40:52,658 --> 00:40:54,118
With a freaking gun!

743
00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:58,205
911, what is the address of the emergency?

744
00:40:58,289 --> 00:41:00,332
I think somebody just got shot.

745
00:41:00,833 --> 00:41:04,587
I heard one shot and everybody screaming
"Call the police, call the police."

746
00:41:04,670 --> 00:41:08,048
I think somebody got shot.
Y'all boys stay over here!

747
00:41:08,716 --> 00:41:11,177
Somebody call 911!

748
00:41:11,260 --> 00:41:15,764
My neighbor has been
screaming at the kids outside.

749
00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:20,728
And all of a sudden, I heard
what to me sounded like a gunshot.

750
00:41:20,811 --> 00:41:23,564
It's the old lady
that always calls the cops over here.

751
00:41:23,647 --> 00:41:26,233
It looks like
we're receiving multiple calls

752
00:41:26,317 --> 00:41:27,985
in reference to this also.

753
00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:31,405
-911, what is the address?
-His mom got shot.

754
00:41:31,489 --> 00:41:34,116
His mom got shot!
Hey, is your mom laying in the ground?

755
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:35,576
Yes!

756
00:41:47,838 --> 00:41:50,049
911, what's the address of the emergency?

757
00:41:50,132 --> 00:41:53,636
1662 Southwest 107th Lane.

758
00:41:54,678 --> 00:41:57,306
Oh my God, this lady just tried
to break down my door.

759
00:41:57,932 --> 00:42:00,309
I shot through the door.

760
00:42:00,392 --> 00:42:01,852
Oh my God!

761
00:42:04,146 --> 00:42:06,065
Okay, what is your name?

762
00:42:06,148 --> 00:42:07,983
Susan Lorincz.

763
00:42:09,235 --> 00:42:11,946
Okay,
take a deep breath for me, calm down.

764
00:42:12,029 --> 00:42:16,283
I didn't know what to do.
I grabbed my gun and I shot at the door

765
00:42:16,367 --> 00:42:18,494
and I thought she was gonna kill me.

766
00:42:22,831 --> 00:42:24,375
Did you know her?

767
00:42:24,458 --> 00:42:27,545
Yes. She's come after me several times

768
00:42:27,628 --> 00:42:30,464
because of her children,
her children keep trespassing over here.

769
00:42:30,548 --> 00:42:33,717
They're bothering me and bothering me.
They won't fucking stop.

770
00:42:34,510 --> 00:42:38,347
Do you see the male
subject, or you just see the female?

771
00:42:39,181 --> 00:42:40,683
Her boys were here earlier.

772
00:42:40,766 --> 00:42:43,519
They keep leaving their garbage
all around the house.

773
00:42:43,602 --> 00:42:45,563
And then I told them
to take the crap away,

774
00:42:45,646 --> 00:42:47,398
get the fuck outta here.

775
00:42:55,739 --> 00:42:57,866
Wake up. Hey, wake up.

776
00:42:57,950 --> 00:43:00,995
Wake up, wake up, wake up.

777
00:43:01,704 --> 00:43:03,539
Come on, come on. Come on.

778
00:43:05,666 --> 00:43:07,918
-Wake up. Hey, wake up.
-Please!

779
00:43:08,002 --> 00:43:10,254
-What's going on?
-Please hurry and get here.

780
00:43:10,337 --> 00:43:12,381
Right here! Right here! Right here!

781
00:43:13,048 --> 00:43:16,010
-And where--
-Right here! Right here!

782
00:43:20,931 --> 00:43:22,558
She's on the ground.

783
00:43:22,641 --> 00:43:25,853
Code one, Marion Primary.

784
00:43:33,444 --> 00:43:34,653
Hold on.

785
00:43:35,195 --> 00:43:36,655
Oh my God!

786
00:43:38,907 --> 00:43:41,910
-She got pulse. She said she's got pulse.
-Very faint. Very faint.

787
00:43:43,787 --> 00:43:46,498
This lady's been planning
to do this for the longest time, bro!

788
00:43:47,750 --> 00:43:49,668
-No exit.
-Baby, wake up!

789
00:43:49,752 --> 00:43:51,295
Still someone with a gun.

790
00:43:53,589 --> 00:43:55,591
I have one down.

791
00:43:55,674 --> 00:43:58,927
I have one elderly female barricaded
in the house with a single zero.

792
00:44:00,012 --> 00:44:02,389
Wake up! Baby, wake up!

793
00:44:02,473 --> 00:44:04,600
I'm up front. I'm up front.

794
00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:08,103
Sheriff's office!
Come outside with your hands up!

795
00:44:09,563 --> 00:44:11,190
This is the Marion County
Sheriff's Office!

796
00:44:11,273 --> 00:44:13,025
Come outside with your hands up!

797
00:44:18,989 --> 00:44:21,950
Show me your hands.
Show me your hands. Turn around.

798
00:44:22,701 --> 00:44:24,662
Turn around. Where's your gun at?

799
00:44:24,745 --> 00:44:26,413
It's in my bedroom.

800
00:44:26,497 --> 00:44:28,666
I don't know what's going on.
You'll be detained for now.

801
00:44:28,749 --> 00:44:30,626
Is there anybody else in the house?

802
00:44:31,752 --> 00:44:35,464
-Can I just get--
-No. Not right now.

803
00:44:35,547 --> 00:44:38,384
You're not under arrest.
You're being detained.

804
00:44:39,009 --> 00:44:40,010
Come over here.

805
00:44:40,094 --> 00:44:43,013
I'd like him to close the door.
I have two cats inside.

806
00:44:43,097 --> 00:44:45,182
Female's detained. I need medics.

807
00:44:45,265 --> 00:44:47,184
Suspect's detained.

808
00:44:54,983 --> 00:44:58,529
Hey, med bag, get my med bag.
Start giving first aid.

809
00:45:07,454 --> 00:45:09,415
Mom!

810
00:45:10,457 --> 00:45:12,918
She needs medical aid. Over there.

811
00:45:13,919 --> 00:45:15,379
It should be in the big black thing.

812
00:45:23,846 --> 00:45:25,347
I said I gave my iPad to her…

813
00:45:25,431 --> 00:45:27,182
If y'all were here when it happened,

814
00:45:27,266 --> 00:45:28,809
just stand right here so I know
who was out here when it happened.

815
00:45:28,892 --> 00:45:30,728
She tried to throw skates at me.

816
00:45:30,811 --> 00:45:33,897
All right, bud. Give me a minute.
Just hang out by my car, okay?

817
00:45:38,902 --> 00:45:44,533
-Where's she shot at?
-Right side of the chest.

818
00:45:46,452 --> 00:45:49,997
Have we been advised
if there's anybody else in the house?

819
00:45:51,165 --> 00:45:53,667
We have a critical here,
we were advised…

820
00:45:55,127 --> 00:45:58,589
She's got a gunshot wound
to her right shoulder area.

821
00:46:09,558 --> 00:46:10,684
You ready?

822
00:46:12,770 --> 00:46:16,523
Marion County Sheriff's Office!
If you're inside, make it known now!

823
00:46:20,444 --> 00:46:22,154
All right, we got three open doors.

824
00:46:22,237 --> 00:46:23,906
I'm going to clear the bathroom first.

825
00:46:24,406 --> 00:46:25,741
I have her kids.

826
00:46:30,454 --> 00:46:31,955
Why would you shoot her?

827
00:46:32,039 --> 00:46:34,958
Hey, bitch! Hello?

828
00:46:35,042 --> 00:46:36,251
Why would you shoot her?

829
00:46:36,335 --> 00:46:38,003
Because she was threatening me.

830
00:46:38,837 --> 00:46:39,797
Clear in here.

831
00:46:41,590 --> 00:46:42,758
Clear in here.

832
00:46:44,927 --> 00:46:46,261
Safety sweep.

833
00:46:46,804 --> 00:46:48,138
Back in the street.

834
00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:50,474
Everybody off the property,
onto the roadway.

835
00:47:04,738 --> 00:47:06,615
Hey, there's a little boy by my car.

836
00:47:06,698 --> 00:47:08,325
He's the one that was the primary witness.

837
00:47:08,408 --> 00:47:09,326
Okay.

838
00:47:10,494 --> 00:47:12,996
-She should have been in jail.
-She should have.

839
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,082
Get yo ass in this house now. Let's go.

840
00:47:15,165 --> 00:47:15,999
Did you see him?

841
00:47:16,083 --> 00:47:18,293
I didn't see him.
There's a little Black male.

842
00:47:18,377 --> 00:47:20,295
His mom is the one that got shot.

843
00:47:20,379 --> 00:47:23,006
I think he's over there.
Double check on that.

844
00:47:24,591 --> 00:47:26,552
This is supposed to be
one of the kids that saw it?

845
00:47:26,635 --> 00:47:28,345
I didn't see it, but I have her kids.

846
00:47:28,846 --> 00:47:29,680
Yeah.

847
00:47:29,763 --> 00:47:31,974
-Where's Israel?
-Izzy, come here, baby.

848
00:47:32,057 --> 00:47:35,227
Hi, Izzy. Come here, buddy.

849
00:47:35,310 --> 00:47:38,188
Is she all right? Is she all right?

850
00:47:38,272 --> 00:47:40,774
They're doing everything they can.

851
00:47:40,858 --> 00:47:43,318
Is she moving?

852
00:47:43,402 --> 00:47:44,695
Is she moving?

853
00:47:44,778 --> 00:47:48,699
-Yes, she's moving.
-I want to see.

854
00:47:48,782 --> 00:47:50,492
She's going to the hospital.

855
00:47:50,576 --> 00:47:54,121
So that way they can take better care
of her than what I can do here, okay?

856
00:47:54,204 --> 00:47:56,164
At the hospital, they have
all the fancy machines

857
00:47:56,248 --> 00:47:58,292
and equipment
that we don't get in the field.

858
00:47:58,375 --> 00:48:00,127
All right? So you can't see her right now,

859
00:48:00,210 --> 00:48:02,963
but as soon as we can,
we'll try to make that happen, okay?

860
00:48:05,632 --> 00:48:08,260
You're being so strong.
Very proud of you.

861
00:48:09,052 --> 00:48:10,971
So can you tell me what happened?

862
00:48:11,054 --> 00:48:14,433
So I was going to get my tablet
from over there

863
00:48:14,516 --> 00:48:16,268
because we was playing a game.

864
00:48:16,768 --> 00:48:19,062
She had my tablet.
I said, "Put down my tablet."

865
00:48:19,146 --> 00:48:21,023
The lady in apartment three?

866
00:48:21,106 --> 00:48:25,402
Yeah, she put it down and then
tried to throw the roller skates at me

867
00:48:25,485 --> 00:48:27,112
and then I got my brother.

868
00:48:27,195 --> 00:48:30,198
He said, "Throw the stuff at me,
throw the stuff at me."

869
00:48:30,282 --> 00:48:32,993
And then she called both of us
a jack A-word.

870
00:48:33,076 --> 00:48:37,456
And so I got my mother, she
kept on banging on the door, she shot her.

871
00:48:39,666 --> 00:48:41,293
All right. Are you hurt?

872
00:48:41,877 --> 00:48:44,922
-No. But my heart is broken.
-I know.

873
00:48:45,005 --> 00:48:47,716
-I know, sweetheart.
-It's okay, baby.

874
00:48:48,258 --> 00:48:49,801
It's going to be okay.

875
00:48:51,094 --> 00:48:52,512
She's going to be okay.

876
00:48:55,182 --> 00:48:58,393
Hey, this is Deputy Stringer
of the Marion County Sheriff's Office.

877
00:48:58,477 --> 00:49:02,022
Is there any way you can come over here
to your ex's house with your children?

878
00:49:02,105 --> 00:49:03,774
'Cause they need somebody right now.

879
00:49:06,318 --> 00:49:07,611
Izzy, you good?

880
00:49:19,957 --> 00:49:21,166
It's okay, honey.

881
00:49:31,593 --> 00:49:33,261
Hey, okay.

882
00:49:34,680 --> 00:49:38,558
It's okay. It's all right.

883
00:49:38,642 --> 00:49:41,895
Daddy's here.
All right. Come here, Afrika.

884
00:49:46,483 --> 00:49:47,985
It's okay.

885
00:49:49,569 --> 00:49:50,904
The victim's children.

886
00:49:52,322 --> 00:49:54,116
Where's Titus?

887
00:49:54,783 --> 00:49:58,412
I haven't got any of that.
I was getting Afrika's information.

888
00:50:00,414 --> 00:50:03,959
Hey, sir. I just need to get your
information and stuff real quick, okay?

889
00:50:58,764 --> 00:51:00,307
Did y'all arrest the lady?

890
00:51:00,807 --> 00:51:02,851
She was arrested. Yes, sir.

891
00:51:09,274 --> 00:51:11,693
I'm gonna tell them. I'll tell them.

892
00:51:17,199 --> 00:51:19,910
How are you going to tell that lady,
her mom?

893
00:51:19,993 --> 00:51:21,328
I don't know.

894
00:51:21,411 --> 00:51:25,457
We'll just take it one step at a time.
You guys are all first, then we'll…

895
00:51:32,214 --> 00:51:33,924
That's Israel.

896
00:51:34,007 --> 00:51:37,177
-Here is, uh, Izzy.
-Are you taking me?

897
00:51:37,260 --> 00:51:40,180
I'm going to take you somewhere.

898
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:42,891
-Come on, Isaac.
-I'm sorry.

899
00:51:49,815 --> 00:51:53,527
-Y'all got the baby.
-Yeah, the baby. He is right here.

900
00:51:53,610 --> 00:51:55,445
Just hold him one second.

901
00:51:55,529 --> 00:51:57,322
Okay. All right.

902
00:52:13,046 --> 00:52:16,424
Today has been a very bad day.

903
00:52:17,884 --> 00:52:19,928
Yes, something bad has happened.

904
00:52:20,679 --> 00:52:23,598
And all y'all seen it.
Y'all understand it.

905
00:52:23,682 --> 00:52:25,350
You all experienced it, right?

906
00:52:25,934 --> 00:52:28,770
Okay. Y'all love me.

907
00:52:29,729 --> 00:52:31,439
Okay. We all love Mom.

908
00:52:32,065 --> 00:52:33,316
All right.

909
00:52:33,400 --> 00:52:36,236
Well, I got some bad news to tell you.

910
00:52:36,736 --> 00:52:38,905
Mom's not coming back anymore.

911
00:52:39,406 --> 00:52:41,449
Come. Uh-uh. Come, come, come.

912
00:52:41,533 --> 00:52:43,994
No, no, no. Come here.

913
00:52:44,077 --> 00:52:49,166
Come over here. Listen to me.
No, no. I know.

914
00:52:49,249 --> 00:52:52,210
Okay. It's okay. I know.

915
00:52:52,752 --> 00:52:56,631
It's okay. I know. I'm sorry to tell you.

916
00:52:57,883 --> 00:52:59,843
I'm sorry.

917
00:53:00,886 --> 00:53:05,473
I'm so sorry. I'm sorry. I'm so sorry.

918
00:53:05,557 --> 00:53:07,142
She can't go!

919
00:53:14,524 --> 00:53:16,902
It's all right.
You guys going to be okay.

920
00:53:19,821 --> 00:53:20,989
It's all right.

921
00:53:23,033 --> 00:53:24,409
You guys are all right.

922
00:53:32,250 --> 00:53:35,962
Israel, I love you. I love you, baby.

923
00:53:36,755 --> 00:53:38,256
I'm so sorry, baby.

924
00:53:42,552 --> 00:53:45,722
I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, baby.

925
00:53:46,598 --> 00:53:49,017
Come here, Izzy.

926
00:53:49,100 --> 00:53:51,436
I love you. I'm sorry, my man.

927
00:54:05,992 --> 00:54:07,327
Why?

928
00:54:11,498 --> 00:54:14,417
Oh my God.

929
00:54:15,168 --> 00:54:16,419
It's her mom.

930
00:54:19,130 --> 00:54:20,590
Just relax, Pam.

931
00:54:21,883 --> 00:54:23,969
At this point, there's nothing we can do.

932
00:54:41,236 --> 00:54:42,404
I'm sorry.

933
00:54:44,322 --> 00:54:45,907
I'm sorry.

934
00:54:53,540 --> 00:54:56,334
-She didn't make it.
-Shut the fuck up.

935
00:54:59,754 --> 00:55:00,964
Hold on.

936
00:55:01,047 --> 00:55:02,841
She didn't make it.

937
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,763
Kingston, come here. She didn't make it.

938
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:17,105
It's okay, baby.

939
00:55:21,818 --> 00:55:23,111
I'm sorry, Isaac.

940
00:55:29,826 --> 00:55:33,997
Football. That's what
they play over there. Football.

941
00:56:20,251 --> 00:56:22,545
I'm sorry. I'm sitting here
'cause I was freezing.

942
00:56:22,629 --> 00:56:24,756
Oh, it is chilly in here, isn't it?

943
00:56:24,839 --> 00:56:25,924
-Susan?
-Yes.

944
00:56:26,007 --> 00:56:28,760
I'm Detective Stith.
This is Detective Peterson.

945
00:56:30,387 --> 00:56:33,681
I'm trying to clarify all the events
that happened tonight

946
00:56:33,765 --> 00:56:37,143
and to try to,
because really I only have,

947
00:56:37,644 --> 00:56:41,356
you know, statements from people
that were out there.

948
00:56:41,439 --> 00:56:43,733
And I would like
to get your side of things

949
00:56:43,817 --> 00:56:46,194
and try to understand
what exactly happened tonight,

950
00:56:46,277 --> 00:56:48,071
or last night now, I guess it is.

951
00:56:48,154 --> 00:56:50,281
Good gravy.

952
00:56:50,365 --> 00:56:54,577
Basically, the neighbors
were out there screaming, yelling.

953
00:56:54,661 --> 00:56:58,081
The kids were running back and forth.
I had a miserable headache.

954
00:56:58,164 --> 00:57:01,918
Went inside, laid down,
it finally got quiet.

955
00:57:02,001 --> 00:57:04,212
I came outside
and the three boys were there.

956
00:57:04,295 --> 00:57:06,798
I went, "Guys, you're trespassing,
come on, outta here."

957
00:57:06,881 --> 00:57:09,134
And they were like,
"I'm going to tell my mom," you know.

958
00:57:09,217 --> 00:57:12,053
Go tell your mom.
I don't care, you know?

959
00:57:12,137 --> 00:57:15,056
-Have you had problems with them before?
-Oh my God, yes.

960
00:57:15,140 --> 00:57:17,559
So, they go home,
and then all of a sudden, she comes out,

961
00:57:17,642 --> 00:57:20,603
and she is banging on my door
like, go away.

962
00:57:20,687 --> 00:57:23,148
I'm not dealing with you tonight.

963
00:57:23,231 --> 00:57:26,526
And then she started banging so hard,
everything started shaking.

964
00:57:26,609 --> 00:57:28,278
I'm like, "You really need to leave."

965
00:57:28,361 --> 00:57:30,238
And she's,
"I'm going to fucking kill you."

966
00:57:30,321 --> 00:57:34,534
And she's just banging away, banging away,
you know, and like …

967
00:57:34,617 --> 00:57:36,828
And since she has actually harmed me.

968
00:57:36,911 --> 00:57:40,665
It just keeps gettin' worse and worse.
I don't know what to do with her.

969
00:57:40,748 --> 00:57:43,501
She banged so hard, it looked like
my door is going to fly off.

970
00:57:43,585 --> 00:57:45,879
And that's, I just,
I panicked, and I was like,

971
00:57:45,962 --> 00:57:48,548
"Oh my gosh, she's really going
to kill me this time," you know?

972
00:57:48,631 --> 00:57:51,509
And so… I don't even actually
remember picking up the gun.

973
00:57:51,593 --> 00:57:53,052
I just remember shooting.

974
00:57:53,136 --> 00:57:55,972
How long do you think
she was hitting the door?

975
00:57:56,055 --> 00:57:59,017
I don't know. I can't even speculate
'cause it could've been seconds.

976
00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:02,228
It could have been… You know, when
you get that fear response and you know…

977
00:58:02,312 --> 00:58:04,063
She banged on it. I was in the bathroom,

978
00:58:04,147 --> 00:58:06,357
came out of the bathroom,
and she was still banging on it.

979
00:58:06,441 --> 00:58:08,151
So, I don't know, maybe a minute or two.

980
00:58:10,487 --> 00:58:12,614
And you didn't try to call 911
back at that time?

981
00:58:12,697 --> 00:58:15,408
My phone wasn't there.
I didn't know where I put my phone.

982
00:58:15,492 --> 00:58:17,202
You don't remember
where you put your phone?

983
00:58:17,285 --> 00:58:19,621
No. I was like,
crap, I can't find my phone.

984
00:58:19,704 --> 00:58:22,916
Okay. So, but you had
already contacted 911.

985
00:58:22,999 --> 00:58:25,668
Did they advise you that
someone was responding?

986
00:58:25,752 --> 00:58:28,171
-An officer was responding?
-Yes. They said someone was coming.

987
00:58:28,254 --> 00:58:30,298
They said, "Lock the doors.
Don't go outside."

988
00:58:30,381 --> 00:58:32,675
I was like, okay, you know, usual.

989
00:58:32,759 --> 00:58:35,386
Okay. What was the deal
with the roller skates?

990
00:58:35,470 --> 00:58:36,888
Because
we talked to a lot of people

991
00:58:36,971 --> 00:58:38,890
who were outside
and witnessed some of this.

992
00:58:38,973 --> 00:58:41,017
Oh, they keep leaving
all their toys around.

993
00:58:41,100 --> 00:58:43,102
The other day,
I almost killed myself going out.

994
00:58:43,186 --> 00:58:45,355
I had an early morning
doctor's appointment

995
00:58:45,438 --> 00:58:46,981
and I didn't see the roller skate.

996
00:58:47,065 --> 00:58:50,276
And I almost killed myself and
I'm like, guys, you know, stop already.

997
00:58:50,360 --> 00:58:54,155
This is not your garbage yard, you know,
and the kid's got his roller skates there.

998
00:58:54,239 --> 00:58:55,990
And I'm like, really,
take your roller skates.

999
00:58:56,074 --> 00:58:58,201
And I threw the roller skates
like, go fetch 'em.

1000
00:58:58,284 --> 00:59:01,871
-You know, just, enough, because…
-Did you throw it at them?

1001
00:59:01,955 --> 00:59:03,289
-Oh God, no.
-Okay.

1002
00:59:03,373 --> 00:59:07,210
Now what is the thing about the umbrella?
You had an umbrella?

1003
00:59:07,710 --> 00:59:09,921
I thought it was raining
before and I walked out.

1004
00:59:10,004 --> 00:59:12,382
And it wasn't raining.
I'm like, okay, so…

1005
00:59:12,465 --> 00:59:16,427
Okay. And you, like, swung it at them
or something, or one of them?

1006
00:59:16,511 --> 00:59:20,181
It wasn't even close.
I was still inside the vestibule.

1007
00:59:20,265 --> 00:59:21,683
How can we explain that then?

1008
00:59:21,766 --> 00:59:26,271
With people saying, like, multiple people
that weren't like talking to each other,

1009
00:59:26,354 --> 00:59:30,733
that if they were saying that
that's what they saw.

1010
00:59:31,234 --> 00:59:32,318
I don't know.

1011
00:59:32,402 --> 00:59:35,071
Maybe I did step out,
and I'm like, guys, go away, go away.

1012
00:59:35,154 --> 00:59:37,865
-But I would never touch 'em.
-Okay.

1013
00:59:37,949 --> 00:59:40,076
Like, swat at them with it, but not…

1014
00:59:40,159 --> 00:59:42,912
Exactly. If I did,
it was probably because I was just so,

1015
00:59:42,996 --> 00:59:44,455
you know, like, come on!

1016
00:59:44,539 --> 00:59:47,542
But I know if… if you did,
but is that what happened?

1017
00:59:47,625 --> 00:59:49,877
I mean, we've got to
kind of get specific about this.

1018
00:59:49,961 --> 00:59:52,589
-Because it's a big deal.
-I understand.

1019
00:59:52,672 --> 00:59:55,383
-Someone's dead.
-Jesus Christ.

1020
01:00:05,143 --> 01:00:06,561
So that's why I say it's important

1021
01:00:06,644 --> 01:00:11,065
to be specific and honest
about, about, about everything.

1022
01:00:14,986 --> 01:00:17,155
As far as our training,
when we have to go through

1023
01:00:17,238 --> 01:00:18,781
making a judgment decision

1024
01:00:18,865 --> 01:00:22,035
where we have to…
might have to pull the trigger.

1025
01:00:22,118 --> 01:00:25,163
We have to know what we're firing at

1026
01:00:25,246 --> 01:00:28,958
is a deadly threat or what
we recognize as a deadly threat.

1027
01:00:29,042 --> 01:00:34,297
So, my question is,
how do you know what you're firing at

1028
01:00:34,380 --> 01:00:37,634
when you're firing through a door
that you can't see through,

1029
01:00:37,717 --> 01:00:43,014
when you don't know if there's
also a child outside standing there?

1030
01:00:43,097 --> 01:00:45,767
Or, I mean, basically, I'm asking you,
what were you aiming at

1031
01:00:45,850 --> 01:00:49,187
and what were you intending to do
when you fired that gun?

1032
01:00:49,270 --> 01:00:54,442
I was just fearful of my life.
I was just like, go away, go away.

1033
01:00:54,525 --> 01:00:57,028
That's all I could think of, was just
get out of the situation,

1034
01:00:57,111 --> 01:00:58,988
you know, just go away already.

1035
01:01:00,782 --> 01:01:02,700
Is there anything else
that you can think of

1036
01:01:02,784 --> 01:01:07,288
that I didn't ask or that might be helpful
for figuring this all out?

1037
01:01:07,372 --> 01:01:11,000
I've never been in this situation before.

1038
01:01:11,084 --> 01:01:13,586
This is all new,
and it's… it's killing me.

1039
01:01:17,256 --> 01:01:19,425
Okay. All right, Susan,
give me just a minute.

1040
01:01:19,509 --> 01:01:21,094
And I'll be right with you, okay?

1041
01:01:51,457 --> 01:01:52,542
Susan.

1042
01:01:53,126 --> 01:01:57,213
All right, I talked to the State Attorney,

1043
01:01:57,296 --> 01:01:59,882
the prosecutor
for the State Attorney's office.

1044
01:01:59,966 --> 01:02:03,970
They are along the same lines
of what we're thinking.

1045
01:02:04,053 --> 01:02:06,597
We're going to continue the investigation.

1046
01:02:08,516 --> 01:02:12,061
I don't think it's safe
for you to go back to that house.

1047
01:02:12,145 --> 01:02:13,896
I don't think so either.

1048
01:02:13,980 --> 01:02:19,902
But what we can do
is provide you with a ride back there.

1049
01:02:28,161 --> 01:02:31,497
You're going to gather
some of your things and go to a hotel.

1050
01:02:31,581 --> 01:02:32,749
-Is that correct?
-Yes.

1051
01:02:34,208 --> 01:02:35,084
Thank you.

1052
01:02:41,466 --> 01:02:43,968
Several days after
the mother was shot and killed

1053
01:02:44,051 --> 01:02:45,386
in front of her young children,

1054
01:02:45,470 --> 01:02:49,140
her family is demanding
the shooter be arrested and charged.

1055
01:02:49,223 --> 01:02:50,516
This, while the sheriff says

1056
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,352
he's dedicated
his best detectives to the case,

1057
01:02:53,436 --> 01:02:54,937
adding he, too, would be upset

1058
01:02:55,021 --> 01:02:58,149
if someone threw an object
at or towards his kids.

1059
01:02:58,232 --> 01:03:02,320
Somebody threw something
at my child, I'd be pissed off.

1060
01:03:03,154 --> 01:03:04,947
Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods,

1061
01:03:05,031 --> 01:03:06,240
saying his detectives are still

1062
01:03:06,324 --> 01:03:08,993
in the early stages
of conducting interviews.

1063
01:03:09,911 --> 01:03:12,330
Are you aware that someone was shot?

1064
01:03:12,413 --> 01:03:14,957
Yeah, yeah. And that…

1065
01:03:16,292 --> 01:03:21,547
I never expected that but it doesn't
surprise me because she was a live wire.

1066
01:03:21,631 --> 01:03:23,424
-Who is that?
-Susan.

1067
01:03:25,343 --> 01:03:28,679
The lady that was shot,
was she a Black lady?

1068
01:03:30,681 --> 01:03:32,600
She lived right across the street.

1069
01:03:33,226 --> 01:03:36,270
She was always very nice to me.
Is she okay?

1070
01:03:36,813 --> 01:03:39,774
-Or did she pass?
-I can't really say.

1071
01:03:39,857 --> 01:03:43,945
I could tell by your eyes.
And she's got little kids.

1072
01:03:45,530 --> 01:03:48,533
Knowing that your friend is gone for life.

1073
01:03:48,616 --> 01:03:52,620
Knowing her babies won't
kiss her at night, that hurts.

1074
01:03:53,621 --> 01:03:55,748
Oldest two boys, they feel guilty.

1075
01:03:55,832 --> 01:03:59,836
I mean, one stated that
if he had never left his tablet behind,

1076
01:03:59,919 --> 01:04:02,505
that his mother would still be here.

1077
01:04:03,130 --> 01:04:08,594
First oldest feels guilty because he
wasn't able to perform CPR on his mom.

1078
01:04:08,678 --> 01:04:10,555
You know,
no child should feel like, you know,

1079
01:04:10,638 --> 01:04:14,725
I couldn't save someone,
let alone their mom.

1080
01:04:17,186 --> 01:04:23,818
I'm just hurt and, like,
almost feeling a little guilt.

1081
01:04:23,901 --> 01:04:29,824
And I'm telling her to just leave it alone
when it's just festering

1082
01:04:29,907 --> 01:04:34,412
and building with this woman
or giving her more time

1083
01:04:34,495 --> 01:04:38,833
and, you know, opportunity
to do what she did.

1084
01:04:39,500 --> 01:04:40,626
Family members say

1085
01:04:40,710 --> 01:04:43,713
Owens' neighbor who fired the gun
should be arrested for murder.

1086
01:04:43,796 --> 01:04:49,302
As a mother,
the protector of her children,

1087
01:04:50,845 --> 01:04:53,639
she wanted to know why this happened.

1088
01:04:56,475 --> 01:04:59,270
All right, Susan, I put
all those items in your purse, okay?

1089
01:04:59,353 --> 01:05:00,229
Okay.

1090
01:05:00,313 --> 01:05:01,522
They're on the hood of the car.

1091
01:05:01,606 --> 01:05:02,523
Okay.

1092
01:05:05,776 --> 01:05:08,279
Again, we're just trying
to make sure you're safe and everything.

1093
01:05:08,362 --> 01:05:10,781
-Understood.
-But just please call…

1094
01:05:10,865 --> 01:05:12,825
I'm going to give you a key to my house.

1095
01:05:12,909 --> 01:05:14,160
And it's a spare that I have.

1096
01:05:14,243 --> 01:05:17,663
Will you please lock
both top and bottom, all right?

1097
01:05:32,219 --> 01:05:34,180
-No justice…
-No peace!

1098
01:05:40,144 --> 01:05:44,857
A mother has lost her life
for being a mother.

1099
01:05:44,941 --> 01:05:46,692
Where is the justice in that?

1100
01:05:46,776 --> 01:05:47,985
No peace!

1101
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:49,028
Nothing changes!

1102
01:05:49,987 --> 01:05:52,949
Marion County
has become a national focus tonight

1103
01:05:53,032 --> 01:05:56,786
after the shooting of a Black woman
by her white neighbor last Friday.

1104
01:05:56,869 --> 01:05:58,245
Many people today protested

1105
01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:01,582
the lack of an arrest
in the shooting of Ajike Owens.

1106
01:06:16,931 --> 01:06:19,976
Everybody should watch out for glass.

1107
01:06:20,601 --> 01:06:23,229
It's dangerous in Aunt Susie's house.

1108
01:06:23,896 --> 01:06:26,524
Yeah, this doesn't mean
they get to break her shit.

1109
01:06:27,024 --> 01:06:29,944
No, but I also can't prove who did it.

1110
01:06:30,027 --> 01:06:32,279
Which is kind of the problem.

1111
01:06:35,116 --> 01:06:37,618
Sorry. One cat to go and then I'm done.

1112
01:06:41,080 --> 01:06:44,208
Guns are very dangerous.

1113
01:06:45,459 --> 01:06:48,295
Well, yeah, sadly, they made quite a mess.

1114
01:06:48,379 --> 01:06:50,881
And I…

1115
01:06:52,717 --> 01:06:56,012
I cleaned it up the best I could.

1116
01:06:58,764 --> 01:07:01,434
Sorry. I just need to get him
and we can leave.

1117
01:07:02,435 --> 01:07:04,395
Thank you so much for doing this.

1118
01:07:04,478 --> 01:07:05,938
Yeah. Of course.

1119
01:07:09,358 --> 01:07:11,068
Y'all drive safe.

1120
01:07:17,783 --> 01:07:21,328
Justice for AJ! Justice for AJ!

1121
01:07:21,412 --> 01:07:23,664
Justice for her children!

1122
01:07:23,748 --> 01:07:26,042
Justice for her community!

1123
01:07:26,125 --> 01:07:27,793
Marion County Sheriff Billy Woods

1124
01:07:27,877 --> 01:07:29,754
has said he cannot make an arrest

1125
01:07:29,837 --> 01:07:32,214
while the sheriff's department
investigates whether this meets

1126
01:07:32,298 --> 01:07:34,467
the criteria of Florida's
Stand Your Ground law.

1127
01:07:34,550 --> 01:07:35,926
Florida has a Stand Your Ground law

1128
01:07:36,010 --> 01:07:39,722
that permits the use of deadly force
if there is a presumption of fear.

1129
01:07:39,805 --> 01:07:42,141
When is it okay in America

1130
01:07:42,224 --> 01:07:44,685
to shoot someone behind a locked door?

1131
01:07:45,770 --> 01:07:49,565
We need answers. We need an arrest.

1132
01:07:49,648 --> 01:07:51,734
There's evidence that's being gathered.

1133
01:07:51,817 --> 01:07:54,737
There are things being looked at.
There are warrants being executed.

1134
01:07:54,820 --> 01:07:56,572
She's supposed to be in jail.

1135
01:07:56,655 --> 01:07:58,908
It's important to wait
for the evidence to come back.

1136
01:07:58,991 --> 01:08:02,078
We understand that process, but why
isn't she in jail while this process…

1137
01:08:02,161 --> 01:08:06,999
Because if it was us, we would be in jail
while y'all doing this process.

1138
01:08:07,583 --> 01:08:11,128
They got to my dishes. Nice.

1139
01:08:12,129 --> 01:08:16,050
-They're screaming over there.
-I know. I can hear 'em.

1140
01:08:16,133 --> 01:08:18,302
Treat that little boy
the way you treat our kids.

1141
01:08:18,385 --> 01:08:20,596
I'm going to go talk to them.
Can y'all stay over there?

1142
01:08:22,473 --> 01:08:25,101
Just don't talk to them.

1143
01:08:25,184 --> 01:08:27,269
-I know you're upset, okay?
-Everybody's upset.

1144
01:08:27,353 --> 01:08:30,773
She's going to end up in jail,
so it don't matter, but everybody's upset.

1145
01:08:30,856 --> 01:08:32,066
Listen, I'm going to be honest.

1146
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:34,610
She shouldn't even be in the street.
She murdered this lady.

1147
01:08:34,693 --> 01:08:36,195
Okay, listen. I'll be honest with you.

1148
01:08:36,278 --> 01:08:39,365
I'm here because she called me up.

1149
01:08:39,448 --> 01:08:41,617
Because she knows better
than to be out here alone.

1150
01:08:41,700 --> 01:08:45,079
That's why she gots people with her.
Because she knows.

1151
01:08:45,162 --> 01:08:46,539
Okay, but listen. Listen to me.

1152
01:08:46,622 --> 01:08:48,249
See what happened to the lady house?

1153
01:08:48,332 --> 01:08:50,417
Just make my life
a little bit easier, okay?

1154
01:08:50,501 --> 01:08:52,211
-Your life easier?
-I'm not--

1155
01:08:52,294 --> 01:08:55,381
Make your life easier?
You fucking kidding me?

1156
01:08:55,464 --> 01:08:58,342
I'm not here to start anything with you,
or to start anything with her.

1157
01:08:58,425 --> 01:09:00,594
Okay? You guys don't need to be
arguing in the street.

1158
01:09:01,929 --> 01:09:05,266
She ain't gonna come to the street!

1159
01:09:05,349 --> 01:09:09,770
Sat in her fucking house, didn't even
open the door and shot through it!

1160
01:09:14,525 --> 01:09:15,609
You're disgusting!

1161
01:09:21,323 --> 01:09:23,367
-You up?
-Yeah, I am.

1162
01:09:23,450 --> 01:09:25,452
Mine's turned off,
I should probably turn it on.

1163
01:09:32,626 --> 01:09:34,128
They were here earlier.

1164
01:09:37,131 --> 01:09:40,217
Dumb fucking bitch! Look at that bitch.

1165
01:09:50,686 --> 01:09:51,812
She gets to fucking--

1166
01:10:01,238 --> 01:10:03,115
It's just as cold in here.

1167
01:10:03,741 --> 01:10:05,910
-All right. Give us just a couple minutes.
-Okay.

1168
01:10:07,286 --> 01:10:08,662
Detective Ryan Stith,

1169
01:10:08,746 --> 01:10:11,624
the date is Tuesday, June 6, 2023,
at 8:31 p.m.

1170
01:10:11,707 --> 01:10:15,419
I'm gonna attempt an interview
at the Marion County Sheriff's Office

1171
01:10:15,920 --> 01:10:19,256
Central Operations Complex
with Susan Lorincz.

1172
01:10:28,182 --> 01:10:29,433
Okey dokey.

1173
01:10:31,435 --> 01:10:37,191
Susan, I appreciate
you coming back in and talking with us.

1174
01:10:38,192 --> 01:10:41,070
Some of the things, like I said,
we're just trying to clarify.

1175
01:10:41,153 --> 01:10:41,987
That's fine.

1176
01:10:43,155 --> 01:10:45,115
Has anything like this ever
happened to you before,

1177
01:10:45,199 --> 01:10:48,953
where someone was trying to break
into the house and hurt you or something?

1178
01:10:49,036 --> 01:10:51,455
-No, not like this.
-No, nothing like that.

1179
01:10:51,538 --> 01:10:53,582
Nothing like that's
ever happened to you before.

1180
01:10:53,666 --> 01:10:55,751
I just wanted to see
if there was a similar experience.

1181
01:10:55,834 --> 01:10:57,711
We talked about unreported sexual abuse.

1182
01:10:57,795 --> 01:10:59,255
We talked about domestic violence.

1183
01:10:59,338 --> 01:11:02,925
We talked about whenever you were robbed
once of something by some men.

1184
01:11:03,008 --> 01:11:05,511
But then we're talking about
what happened there today.

1185
01:11:05,594 --> 01:11:09,265
And this woman, that…
that she passed away.

1186
01:11:09,348 --> 01:11:12,017
You said that she had…
you guys had yelled at each other

1187
01:11:12,101 --> 01:11:14,603
three or four times in about
a year and a half to two years.

1188
01:11:14,687 --> 01:11:15,604
-Is that right?
-Yes.

1189
01:11:16,188 --> 01:11:19,692
Is there any reason why anybody
would have any video or anything like that

1190
01:11:19,775 --> 01:11:22,736
of you saying, like, the N-word?

1191
01:11:22,820 --> 01:11:24,822
Or is there any reason
why someone would have that?

1192
01:11:24,905 --> 01:11:27,700
I have no idea.
And if I did let it go, I'm sorry.

1193
01:11:27,783 --> 01:11:29,785
I mean, it could have slipped out.

1194
01:11:30,869 --> 01:11:36,000
What… be honest. What context
would it slip out, you think?

1195
01:11:36,083 --> 01:11:38,627
I mean, what would happen
for you to say something like that?

1196
01:11:38,711 --> 01:11:42,548
Um, if they were being extraordinarily
rude, or if they were just…

1197
01:11:42,631 --> 01:11:45,217
I was always taught
the N-word meant that

1198
01:11:45,301 --> 01:11:50,222
you were just being unlawful,
you know, dirty.

1199
01:11:50,723 --> 01:11:53,809
I don't know,
generally not being pleasant.

1200
01:11:54,727 --> 01:11:58,230
When Ajike was at the door,
how many times did she…

1201
01:11:58,314 --> 01:12:03,110
-Was it just like, one, or was it several…
-No, it was bang, bang, bang.

1202
01:12:03,193 --> 01:12:05,779
Okay. All right. And then you said…

1203
01:12:05,863 --> 01:12:09,533
You said you asked her, who's there?
Okay. And what was said then?

1204
01:12:10,951 --> 01:12:14,705
Good gravy, I think she said, "Why do you
speak to my children this way?"

1205
01:12:14,788 --> 01:12:18,250
And I said, "Listen,
I'm not going to speak to you, go away."

1206
01:12:18,334 --> 01:12:21,003
You know, if she had a problem,
she should have called you guys.

1207
01:12:21,086 --> 01:12:24,590
Honestly, I mean, if she really thought
there was something seriously wrong,

1208
01:12:24,673 --> 01:12:26,508
I don't understand why she just came over

1209
01:12:26,592 --> 01:12:30,554
and just started pounding on my door
and, you know, screaming and yelling.

1210
01:12:30,637 --> 01:12:33,599
And then what happened,
after you said to go away?

1211
01:12:33,682 --> 01:12:35,601
Go away, and then it got quiet for a bit.

1212
01:12:35,684 --> 01:12:39,104
And then she started really banging,
you know, just pounding on that door.

1213
01:12:39,188 --> 01:12:40,064
She was relentless.

1214
01:12:40,147 --> 01:12:44,735
How long is a bit, would you say?
Like, five or ten seconds or two minutes?

1215
01:12:44,818 --> 01:12:47,321
It was a…
it was an extended period of time.

1216
01:12:47,404 --> 01:12:49,865
-Probably 20 to 30 seconds, easily.
-Okay.

1217
01:12:50,366 --> 01:12:53,077
All right. And then when it became silent,

1218
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,372
at that first round
of beating on your door,

1219
01:12:56,455 --> 01:12:58,540
where did, where were you at then?

1220
01:12:58,624 --> 01:13:03,170
-Did you go…
-I went to wash my hands, honestly.

1221
01:13:03,253 --> 01:13:05,756
Because I didn't know who was at the door
and I wanted to know.

1222
01:13:05,839 --> 01:13:07,466
-And then I was…
-Okay.

1223
01:13:07,549 --> 01:13:09,760
-So I went back and washed my hands.
-Okay.

1224
01:13:09,843 --> 01:13:12,304
So that's during the time
where it was kind of quiet,

1225
01:13:12,388 --> 01:13:14,098
you thought that maybe she went away.

1226
01:13:14,181 --> 01:13:15,057
Okay.

1227
01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:17,559
You were washing your hands
in the bathroom,

1228
01:13:17,643 --> 01:13:19,645
and then the pounding
and the yelling started again,

1229
01:13:19,728 --> 01:13:22,231
and you went to the kitchen,
what were you doing in the kitchen?

1230
01:13:22,314 --> 01:13:24,024
I was looking for my phone.

1231
01:13:24,108 --> 01:13:27,111
I put my phone down somewhere,
and I started panicking.

1232
01:13:27,194 --> 01:13:28,862
I started searching for the phone,

1233
01:13:28,946 --> 01:13:30,781
and then she just kept
banging and banging.

1234
01:13:30,864 --> 01:13:33,200
"I'm gonna kill you."
You know, "Get out of here!"

1235
01:13:33,283 --> 01:13:35,411
You know, like… I have nowhere to go.

1236
01:13:35,494 --> 01:13:38,163
I mean, I was in the kitchen,
there was the sliders,

1237
01:13:38,247 --> 01:13:41,458
and the sliders are always locked
and just that one door.

1238
01:13:41,542 --> 01:13:43,127
So there's no escape. I couldn't leave.

1239
01:13:43,210 --> 01:13:45,254
I couldn't get out of there.
I was like, Jesus Christ.

1240
01:13:45,337 --> 01:13:48,424
And she was pounding so hard,
the mirror on my wall was shaking.

1241
01:13:48,507 --> 01:13:50,801
Okay, when she started
pounding on the door again

1242
01:13:50,884 --> 01:13:54,763
and saying all that stuff
to the point where you fired the gun,

1243
01:13:54,847 --> 01:13:57,057
how long do you think that that lasted?

1244
01:13:57,683 --> 01:14:00,519
-Two to five minutes.
-Two to five minutes.

1245
01:14:00,602 --> 01:14:02,938
Everything's kind of… it was a while.
I mean, it was a while.

1246
01:14:03,021 --> 01:14:05,023
I kept thinking, okay,
you guys are going to show up,

1247
01:14:05,107 --> 01:14:07,776
you know, because I called earlier
and no one was coming.

1248
01:14:07,860 --> 01:14:10,320
No one was coming. I'm like, shit.
Couldn't find my phone.

1249
01:14:10,404 --> 01:14:12,906
And she was just banging and banging,
screaming at me.

1250
01:14:12,990 --> 01:14:14,450
Telling me, "I'm gonna kill you."

1251
01:14:14,533 --> 01:14:17,536
I'm like, she's really going to kill me
this time. That's all I kept thinking,

1252
01:14:17,619 --> 01:14:20,164
she's literally going
to come in this house and kill me.

1253
01:14:20,247 --> 01:14:21,290
Let me ask you this.

1254
01:14:21,373 --> 01:14:24,209
Maybe this can kind of help us
get a better time frame.

1255
01:14:24,293 --> 01:14:26,128
From the time that you called 911,

1256
01:14:26,211 --> 01:14:30,174
"These kids are on my property again.
They are yelling." You know…

1257
01:14:30,257 --> 01:14:34,303
What happened that first 911 call,
that time that you hung up with 911?

1258
01:14:34,386 --> 01:14:38,307
How long before she showed up and she was
pounding on the door after you hung up?

1259
01:14:38,390 --> 01:14:41,351
-Ten minutes.
-Ten minutes? Okay.

1260
01:14:41,852 --> 01:14:44,062
So about ten minutes
after you disconnected,

1261
01:14:44,146 --> 01:14:47,107
and they said,
"Hey, we have deputies on the way…"

1262
01:14:47,191 --> 01:14:51,028
Ten minutes after that is when
she started pounding on your door.

1263
01:14:51,695 --> 01:14:54,907
If we were to look through
everything in your phone,

1264
01:14:54,990 --> 01:14:58,118
or your home desktop computer,
is there anything,

1265
01:14:58,202 --> 01:15:00,829
kind of research
on your internet history that would show

1266
01:15:00,913 --> 01:15:02,706
that you've done research
on like self-defense?

1267
01:15:02,789 --> 01:15:05,125
-Ever heard the term Stand Your Ground?
-Yes.

1268
01:15:05,209 --> 01:15:07,503
Have you ever done
any kind of research on that?

1269
01:15:07,586 --> 01:15:09,963
Yes, when it was mentioned on--

1270
01:15:10,047 --> 01:15:14,968
Some guy shot someone
at a convenience store,

1271
01:15:15,052 --> 01:15:18,138
and they said Stand Your Ground laws.

1272
01:15:18,222 --> 01:15:19,848
-Was that like a Florida situation?
-Yes.

1273
01:15:19,932 --> 01:15:22,100
'Cause I know every state
has kind of different laws.

1274
01:15:22,184 --> 01:15:24,853
-I think it was Florida.
-Okay.

1275
01:15:24,937 --> 01:15:26,939
-And when was that?
-God, years ago.

1276
01:15:27,022 --> 01:15:29,191
-That was years ago?
-Yeah, that was years ago.

1277
01:15:29,274 --> 01:15:32,736
So, nothing recent that would be
on like your internet browser history?

1278
01:15:32,819 --> 01:15:34,738
-I looked at it today.
-You looked at it today?

1279
01:15:34,821 --> 01:15:37,449
'Cause that's when I was on Facebook.

1280
01:15:37,991 --> 01:15:41,119
Just some things that,
they had it up on Facebook.

1281
01:15:41,203 --> 01:15:44,790
Susan, I think you know
the reason why I'm asking that question.

1282
01:15:44,873 --> 01:15:47,292
You're smart, okay?

1283
01:15:47,376 --> 01:15:49,378
-And the reason is--
-Oh, hell no.

1284
01:15:49,461 --> 01:15:51,547
No, absolutely.
I know what you're thinking.

1285
01:15:51,630 --> 01:15:54,049
Did I look up the laws
so I could do something?

1286
01:15:54,132 --> 01:15:54,967
No. Absolutely not.

1287
01:15:55,050 --> 01:15:57,386
This is not a situation
where you set something up

1288
01:15:57,469 --> 01:15:59,429
because you were tired of this person?

1289
01:15:59,513 --> 01:16:02,182
You were tired of the situation
that they had put you in.

1290
01:16:02,266 --> 01:16:04,017
We kind of went through
your first interview,

1291
01:16:04,101 --> 01:16:06,395
and in that first interview,
you had even said to the kids,

1292
01:16:06,478 --> 01:16:09,606
-"You know what? Go get your mom."
-No, I didn't.

1293
01:16:10,190 --> 01:16:11,942
You said something along the lines of

1294
01:16:12,025 --> 01:16:13,735
when they said,
"I'm going to go get my mom…"

1295
01:16:13,819 --> 01:16:16,071
-You said, "Go get her."
-"Go get her."

1296
01:16:16,154 --> 01:16:17,990
Which is fine.
I'd want to talk to an adult too.

1297
01:16:18,073 --> 01:16:20,075
I don't want to talk to a kid.

1298
01:16:20,158 --> 01:16:21,410
I don't remember saying that.

1299
01:16:21,493 --> 01:16:23,120
So when someone calls 911,

1300
01:16:23,203 --> 01:16:26,832
as soon as that call goes
to our communication center, it logs it.

1301
01:16:26,915 --> 01:16:29,918
Gives us a time stamp.
Hour, minute, second

1302
01:16:30,002 --> 01:16:32,879
from the very first time
that call was received

1303
01:16:32,963 --> 01:16:34,965
to the time it's disconnected, okay?

1304
01:16:35,048 --> 01:16:37,384
And that's for every single time
someone calls.

1305
01:16:37,467 --> 01:16:38,969
So the first time when you called 911

1306
01:16:39,052 --> 01:16:42,681
talking about the boys out there
trespassing and things of that…

1307
01:16:42,764 --> 01:16:45,684
-So, that call started at 8:54 p.m.
-Mm-hm.

1308
01:16:45,767 --> 01:16:47,060
Does that sound about right?

1309
01:16:47,144 --> 01:16:49,938
Yes. I really wasn't looking at the clock.

1310
01:16:50,022 --> 01:16:51,315
I just remember calling.

1311
01:16:51,398 --> 01:16:53,400
That's what time it says
on our call center.

1312
01:16:53,483 --> 01:16:58,655
And the call lasted for five minutes
and it disconnected at 8:59.

1313
01:16:58,739 --> 01:17:01,158
Deputies were on the way. Okay.

1314
01:17:01,241 --> 01:17:02,576
Now, you estimated

1315
01:17:02,659 --> 01:17:06,246
that it was approximately ten minutes
after you disconnected

1316
01:17:06,330 --> 01:17:09,291
until AJ started pounding on your door.

1317
01:17:09,374 --> 01:17:11,168
Is that correct? Is that right? Okay.

1318
01:17:11,251 --> 01:17:16,256
So, the second 911 call where you called,
"Lady was banging on my door."

1319
01:17:16,340 --> 01:17:19,676
"I shot her through the door."
That call came into our call center.

1320
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,971
It was received at 9:01,
which is two minutes after you hung up

1321
01:17:23,055 --> 01:17:25,974
with the communication center
the first time.

1322
01:17:26,058 --> 01:17:28,101
So that's two minutes
that all these things

1323
01:17:28,185 --> 01:17:30,520
that you say occurred
happened at your front door.

1324
01:17:30,604 --> 01:17:34,775
From pounding and pounding and pounding,
"I'm going to kill you," all these things,

1325
01:17:34,858 --> 01:17:39,363
within two minutes,
she showed up at your front door,

1326
01:17:39,446 --> 01:17:42,908
and did all these things
to the time that you pulled the trigger,

1327
01:17:42,991 --> 01:17:45,827
went and found your phone
and then called 911.

1328
01:17:45,911 --> 01:17:48,455
So… and that's why I'm trying to get…

1329
01:17:48,538 --> 01:17:50,332
To me, it seemed like that amount of time.

1330
01:17:50,415 --> 01:17:52,334
That's why I thought
it was that amount of time.

1331
01:17:52,417 --> 01:17:53,794
Well, so clearly, we've established

1332
01:17:53,877 --> 01:17:56,171
that that was not true,
that that's not the case.

1333
01:17:56,254 --> 01:17:58,215
But that's what you felt it was.

1334
01:17:58,298 --> 01:18:01,343
So you also told me that
that's what you heard,

1335
01:18:01,426 --> 01:18:03,095
that she was going to kill you.

1336
01:18:03,178 --> 01:18:05,597
Is it possible that she did not say that,

1337
01:18:05,681 --> 01:18:07,599
and that's what you heard or you believe,

1338
01:18:07,683 --> 01:18:10,435
just like you believed there was
ten minutes between those calls?

1339
01:18:10,519 --> 01:18:13,605
I just thought she said,
"I'm going to kill you."

1340
01:18:13,689 --> 01:18:14,731
Are you the Susan

1341
01:18:14,815 --> 01:18:17,401
that has done research on
Stand Your Ground

1342
01:18:17,484 --> 01:18:20,737
and has planned for this to happen,
was planning for this to happen?

1343
01:18:20,821 --> 01:18:23,740
There's a spectrum here.
Is this the Susan over here?

1344
01:18:23,824 --> 01:18:26,535
And then there's also…
could be a Susan over here

1345
01:18:26,618 --> 01:18:32,332
that was, "I have a gun in the house,
I'm scared,

1346
01:18:32,416 --> 01:18:36,211
someone is knocking on the door,
I'd like them to go away."

1347
01:18:36,294 --> 01:18:39,297
"I'm just going to… Oh, I picked up
the gun and I accidentally shot the gun."

1348
01:18:39,381 --> 01:18:41,299
There's a Susan
somewhere in the world like that.

1349
01:18:41,383 --> 01:18:43,260
You've somehow found a spot in the middle

1350
01:18:43,343 --> 01:18:47,055
where you're trying to explain this,
but it doesn't actually make any sense.

1351
01:18:47,139 --> 01:18:50,308
So this is your opportunity
to actually tell us

1352
01:18:50,392 --> 01:18:51,810
that something that does make sense.

1353
01:18:51,893 --> 01:18:54,938
I'm not going to hold it against you.
I'm not going to get mad.

1354
01:18:55,021 --> 01:18:59,443
But whenever AJ was coming over
that evening…

1355
01:18:59,526 --> 01:19:01,945
What… what happened? What happened?

1356
01:19:02,028 --> 01:19:04,698
Bring me to that moment
when you had the gun in your hand.

1357
01:19:04,781 --> 01:19:06,283
What were you thinking?

1358
01:19:06,366 --> 01:19:08,118
All I wanted her… was to go away.

1359
01:19:08,201 --> 01:19:11,621
I just, you know, I felt she was gonna
come through that door and kill me.

1360
01:19:11,705 --> 01:19:13,540
I'm sorry. That's what I felt.

1361
01:19:13,623 --> 01:19:17,002
I just felt she was going to come
through the door and kill me.

1362
01:19:17,085 --> 01:19:19,463
It was a tremendous fear.

1363
01:19:19,546 --> 01:19:22,215
-Do you feel bad for what happened?
-Oh, Christ, yes.

1364
01:19:22,299 --> 01:19:26,428
Let me ask you this.
You said that you went on Facebook today.

1365
01:19:27,095 --> 01:19:29,723
I can only imagine that
at some point you may have seen

1366
01:19:29,806 --> 01:19:32,809
some of the news
dealing with this case and this story.

1367
01:19:32,893 --> 01:19:35,437
-Yes.
-Okay. What kind of stuff did you see?

1368
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:37,105
I threw a tablet at the child.

1369
01:19:37,189 --> 01:19:40,692
I said all kinds of things
that I never said.

1370
01:19:41,193 --> 01:19:42,402
You know what I saw?

1371
01:19:42,486 --> 01:19:45,655
I saw four kids
that no longer have a mother.

1372
01:19:47,324 --> 01:19:52,746
And… I'm not taking away
how you were treated.

1373
01:19:53,830 --> 01:19:57,042
But those are children nonetheless, right?

1374
01:19:57,542 --> 01:20:00,045
And now they don't have a mother
to go home to.

1375
01:20:01,963 --> 01:20:05,467
And I think you know
what you did was wrong.

1376
01:20:06,343 --> 01:20:12,098
I think you know that there were already
deputies on the way.

1377
01:20:13,517 --> 01:20:16,436
But there were times I called
and deputies never showed up.

1378
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:18,939
I understand. It's been two minutes, so…

1379
01:20:19,022 --> 01:20:20,357
To me, it wasn't two minutes.

1380
01:20:20,440 --> 01:20:23,276
To me, it was much longer.
In my mind, it just felt like…

1381
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:27,906
But there's only one reality
where time exists,

1382
01:20:27,989 --> 01:20:31,493
and I understand perception of time
can be different for different people.

1383
01:20:31,576 --> 01:20:34,830
But in the reality of things,
you had just disconnected.

1384
01:20:36,373 --> 01:20:39,125
Within two minutes,
a shot was fired through that door.

1385
01:20:39,209 --> 01:20:43,964
There's no way
to justify that in my mind.

1386
01:20:44,047 --> 01:20:46,508
I don't think in Detective Pinder's mind

1387
01:20:46,591 --> 01:20:49,719
and clearly in other people's minds
that we discussed this case with,

1388
01:20:49,803 --> 01:20:52,472
the State Attorney, our legal counsel,
and things like that.

1389
01:20:52,556 --> 01:20:54,641
So, I mean…

1390
01:20:56,518 --> 01:20:58,562
At this point,
we've discussed it with the state

1391
01:20:58,645 --> 01:21:02,107
and they are on the same terms

1392
01:21:02,190 --> 01:21:05,068
as far as charging you with manslaughter.

1393
01:21:05,151 --> 01:21:06,653
-Okay?
-Okay.

1394
01:21:07,153 --> 01:21:10,657
I don't know what to say,
just… I was in fear for my life.

1395
01:21:10,740 --> 01:21:13,994
I mean, honest to God, I just feared
she was going to come through that door.

1396
01:21:14,077 --> 01:21:15,954
I'm sorry. That's how I felt.

1397
01:21:16,454 --> 01:21:20,917
I can't change the way I felt.
I mean, it was sheer terror on my part.

1398
01:21:21,001 --> 01:21:23,712
I mean, honest to God,
I was like, I was shaking.

1399
01:21:25,213 --> 01:21:27,340
So, one of the things I want to ask,

1400
01:21:27,424 --> 01:21:31,720
because at the point where I did let you
know and informed you, you know, what…

1401
01:21:31,803 --> 01:21:35,390
what had ultimately happened to AJ
after that shooting,

1402
01:21:35,473 --> 01:21:37,058
you know, that she had passed away.

1403
01:21:37,142 --> 01:21:39,978
And obviously, she has four kids.

1404
01:21:41,354 --> 01:21:44,232
And, you know,
I was observing the interviews

1405
01:21:44,316 --> 01:21:46,151
that were conducted with them

1406
01:21:46,234 --> 01:21:48,653
and the emotions
that they were going through.

1407
01:21:48,737 --> 01:21:51,406
And you shared
some of those same emotions

1408
01:21:51,489 --> 01:21:54,451
at points through
the conversations that we had.

1409
01:21:54,534 --> 01:21:58,246
And I just want to, like,
obviously, I can't let you talk to them

1410
01:21:58,330 --> 01:22:02,375
or give a message to them,
like, face-to-face.

1411
01:22:02,459 --> 01:22:06,630
But I would like, it's up to you
if you would like to write them a letter

1412
01:22:06,713 --> 01:22:12,552
or something to kind of, you know,
whatever's on your mind or in your heart.

1413
01:22:12,636 --> 01:22:13,553
You don't have to.

1414
01:22:13,637 --> 01:22:15,931
We're just going to
leave a notepad and a pen in the room.

1415
01:22:16,014 --> 01:22:17,641
Obviously, we have some paperwork to do,

1416
01:22:17,724 --> 01:22:20,101
so we're going to have
to step out for, to do that,

1417
01:22:20,185 --> 01:22:22,562
and obviously talk to our boss.

1418
01:22:24,147 --> 01:22:29,235
I offer it to everybody,
that we can't let them talk to.

1419
01:22:29,319 --> 01:22:32,072
-So it's just something we do.
-I understand.

1420
01:22:32,572 --> 01:22:34,240
So, if you'd like to do that.

1421
01:22:34,324 --> 01:22:37,202
We're going to get
that paperwork going like he said.

1422
01:22:37,285 --> 01:22:39,788
But that's where the state's at right now,
that's where we're at.

1423
01:22:39,871 --> 01:22:42,332
I'll talk to you a little bit more
about that in just a minute.

1424
01:22:42,415 --> 01:22:46,336
But if you'd like to write on something,
it's right there, okay?

1425
01:24:14,466 --> 01:24:18,845
All right, Susan. All right, we're going
to have you go with this deputy here.

1426
01:24:19,679 --> 01:24:21,473
-No.
-I'm sorry?

1427
01:24:21,556 --> 01:24:22,515
-No.
-No, what?

1428
01:24:22,599 --> 01:24:24,642
-I can't.
-What's wrong? What's goin' on?

1429
01:24:24,726 --> 01:24:27,604
I just can't. I'm sorry. I can't do this.

1430
01:24:31,149 --> 01:24:33,568
I mean, we're, unfortunately,

1431
01:24:33,651 --> 01:24:37,530
we're to that point where
that's what's going to happen.

1432
01:24:37,614 --> 01:24:41,201
Obviously, this isn't a conviction.

1433
01:24:41,284 --> 01:24:42,952
This is you being charged,

1434
01:24:43,036 --> 01:24:45,413
and then you're going
to have your day in court

1435
01:24:45,497 --> 01:24:48,792
to present your side of the story.

1436
01:24:50,418 --> 01:24:52,170
Okay, so you're
going to go with this deputy.

1437
01:24:52,253 --> 01:24:53,129
No, I'm not.

1438
01:24:53,213 --> 01:24:54,923
-You're going to be booked in.
-No, I'm not.

1439
01:24:55,006 --> 01:24:57,092
-And fingerprinted.
-No.

1440
01:24:57,175 --> 01:24:59,052
They're going to take your pictures

1441
01:24:59,135 --> 01:25:02,263
and then you will have
an arraignment in the morning.

1442
01:25:03,681 --> 01:25:05,391
I'm not going. I'm sorry.

1443
01:25:06,059 --> 01:25:07,143
There's a phone down there.

1444
01:25:07,227 --> 01:25:09,062
You'll be able
to call whoever you need to call.

1445
01:25:09,145 --> 01:25:10,897
-Right there in booking.
-I'm not going.

1446
01:25:10,980 --> 01:25:15,527
But, um… Susan, you… we are going.

1447
01:25:15,610 --> 01:25:19,072
There's no changing that now.
You're under arrest.

1448
01:25:19,155 --> 01:25:21,991
In fact, we can probably go ahead
and put handcuffs on her.

1449
01:25:22,075 --> 01:25:23,827
Let's get you handcuffed.

1450
01:25:23,910 --> 01:25:26,121
-Stand up.
-No. Don't touch me.

1451
01:25:26,204 --> 01:25:28,540
-Stand up, Susan.
-No. No. Sorry, I can't.

1452
01:25:28,623 --> 01:25:32,043
It can go one of two ways. It can go
an easy way or a really hard way.

1453
01:25:32,127 --> 01:25:34,003
-I'm sorry.
-We don't want it to go the hard way.

1454
01:25:34,087 --> 01:25:36,339
-I'm so sorry.
-Susan, put yourself in our position.

1455
01:25:36,422 --> 01:25:39,050
There's no choice in this.
You're going over there.

1456
01:25:39,134 --> 01:25:41,177
I'm sorry. I can't do this.

1457
01:25:42,053 --> 01:25:43,596
Susan, you understand that

1458
01:25:43,680 --> 01:25:47,100
from the point
of the story that you've given us,

1459
01:25:47,183 --> 01:25:54,065
that by refusing and resisting,
that it's making you look bad, okay?

1460
01:25:54,149 --> 01:25:57,277
I'm sorry. I don't feel good.
I can't do this.

1461
01:25:57,360 --> 01:25:59,529
Okay, well, they have
medical staff over there.

1462
01:25:59,612 --> 01:26:01,990
-So they can assist you.
-There is a nurse right in the front.

1463
01:26:02,073 --> 01:26:04,742
You give them the prescription medications
that you're taking,

1464
01:26:04,826 --> 01:26:06,327
all of that, they will assist you

1465
01:26:06,411 --> 01:26:08,413
in making sure that
you get the care you need.

1466
01:26:08,496 --> 01:26:10,498
-No, I can't do this.
-We're going over there, okay?

1467
01:26:10,582 --> 01:26:12,625
-You're going to go over there.
-I just can't do this.

1468
01:26:12,709 --> 01:26:15,044
-Okay, well…
-Come on, Susan, stand up.

1469
01:26:15,128 --> 01:26:17,130
-We don't have time to debate.
-I can't do this.

1470
01:26:17,213 --> 01:26:19,757
Okay, but you understand
that you're under arrest

1471
01:26:19,841 --> 01:26:22,385
and you're going to be taken
to the jail one way or another, okay?

1472
01:26:22,468 --> 01:26:23,803
-I don't care.
-Susan.

1473
01:26:23,887 --> 01:26:26,055
I just can't do this. I'm sorry.

1474
01:26:26,639 --> 01:26:30,685
What you're saying
and doing right now is not reasonable.

1475
01:26:30,768 --> 01:26:31,644
I know it's not.

1476
01:26:31,728 --> 01:26:33,938
-There's been people…
-I just can't do this.

1477
01:26:34,022 --> 01:26:37,817
When you say you know it's not reasonable,
that doesn't make sense to me.

1478
01:26:37,901 --> 01:26:40,445
I understand.
I just can't do this. I'm sorry.

1479
01:26:40,528 --> 01:26:42,739
Okay, then this is why
we're in this position here, Susan,

1480
01:26:42,822 --> 01:26:46,201
is because the decisions you make
are not reasonable.

1481
01:26:46,284 --> 01:26:48,786
Just like what
we're experiencing right now.

1482
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:51,039
I just can't do this. I can't do this.

1483
01:26:51,122 --> 01:26:54,292
I've had people sit in this chair
that have done things,

1484
01:26:54,375 --> 01:26:56,628
and they get up,
they walk out on their own accord.

1485
01:26:56,711 --> 01:26:58,796
They've done some really bad things.

1486
01:26:58,880 --> 01:27:00,965
Okay? You're not the only person,
but I need you to--

1487
01:27:01,049 --> 01:27:02,759
I just feel horrible. I can't do this.

1488
01:27:02,842 --> 01:27:05,303
Okay. Well, we're going to go to the jail.

1489
01:27:05,386 --> 01:27:08,306
There's no changing this.
There's no stopping it.

1490
01:27:08,389 --> 01:27:09,849
I don't care. Kill me.

1491
01:27:10,350 --> 01:27:15,063
We're not going to kill anybody.
We're going to take you to the jail.

1492
01:27:15,146 --> 01:27:17,774
We'd rather you walk on your own,
we rather you just walk down there.

1493
01:27:17,857 --> 01:27:20,526
It'd be so much better for everybody
if we could just walk down there.

1494
01:27:20,610 --> 01:27:22,528
-Can you just stand up for me?
-No.

1495
01:27:22,612 --> 01:27:24,989
So what, do you plan on
sitting here the rest of the night?

1496
01:27:25,073 --> 01:27:27,992
I don't know what I'm going to do.
Probably going to die of a heart attack.

1497
01:27:28,576 --> 01:27:31,579
Like I said, they have medical staff.
We want to be able to get you over there.

1498
01:27:31,663 --> 01:27:33,122
The quicker we get you over there,

1499
01:27:33,206 --> 01:27:35,833
the quicker someone over there
that's in medical can see you.

1500
01:27:35,917 --> 01:27:36,834
I just can't do this.

1501
01:27:36,918 --> 01:27:39,796
Susan, this is what's going to happen.
We're going to put you in handcuffs.

1502
01:27:39,879 --> 01:27:42,674
And if we have
to forcefully bring you out there,

1503
01:27:42,757 --> 01:27:44,801
that's what we have to do,
because we're obligated

1504
01:27:44,884 --> 01:27:46,803
to take you to the jail now, okay?

1505
01:27:46,886 --> 01:27:48,680
-Thank you for standing up.
-I'm sorry, I just…

1506
01:27:48,763 --> 01:27:49,889
I understand that.

1507
01:27:49,973 --> 01:27:51,683
So put your hands behind your back for me.

1508
01:27:59,065 --> 01:28:00,441
Thank you, Susan.

1509
01:28:00,525 --> 01:28:03,278
I didn't do this on purpose.
This wasn't a purposeful act.

1510
01:28:03,361 --> 01:28:06,155
I did not premeditate it.
I didn't do anything like that.

1511
01:28:06,239 --> 01:28:07,657
This is ridiculous.

1512
01:28:16,374 --> 01:28:18,001
We're going to go out this way…

1513
01:29:18,144 --> 01:29:23,191
"I am so sorry for your loss.
I never meant to kill your mother."

1514
01:29:23,274 --> 01:29:28,029
"I was terrified
your mom was going to kill me."

1515
01:29:28,112 --> 01:29:30,073
"I shot…

1516
01:29:31,366 --> 01:29:34,452
out of fear."

1517
01:29:51,636 --> 01:29:53,304
This is Sheriff Woods.

1518
01:29:53,388 --> 01:29:55,473
And although I haven't spoke
to y'all directly,

1519
01:29:55,556 --> 01:29:57,266
I have made y'all a promise.

1520
01:29:57,350 --> 01:29:58,726
And I'm here to make the phone call

1521
01:29:58,810 --> 01:30:02,814
that we have arrested,
the lady, the shooter.

1522
01:30:02,897 --> 01:30:05,274
She is in custody.

1523
01:30:05,358 --> 01:30:07,485
I am Ajike's mother.

1524
01:30:08,611 --> 01:30:12,740
You may look at her
and say she didn't have much.

1525
01:30:13,950 --> 01:30:15,618
She had it all.

1526
01:30:16,953 --> 01:30:21,582
She had love. She had compassion.

1527
01:30:24,085 --> 01:30:28,548
She had four beautiful children.

1528
01:30:29,090 --> 01:30:32,009
Don't grow up feelin' guilty.

1529
01:30:32,093 --> 01:30:34,679
Don't say Mama wouldn't
have died if it wasn't for me, no.

1530
01:30:34,762 --> 01:30:39,684
Mama chose to stand up for you.
Because Mama knew

1531
01:30:39,767 --> 01:30:44,856
if she allowed people to degrade you
and she'd not stand up for you,

1532
01:30:45,356 --> 01:30:52,113
that you'd grow up with a feeling that
you were something that could be degraded.

1533
01:30:52,196 --> 01:30:55,283
She chose you over her.

1534
01:30:56,617 --> 01:30:58,870
That's what mothers do.

1535
01:31:00,621 --> 01:31:06,377
I want you to go
and be everything she wanted you to be.

1536
01:31:16,179 --> 01:31:19,932
The night that it happened,

1537
01:31:20,683 --> 01:31:23,311
I fell asleep in my auntie's car.

1538
01:31:25,104 --> 01:31:29,609
And when I was dreaming,
she appeared as an angel.

1539
01:31:55,259 --> 01:31:56,636
Members of the jury,

1540
01:31:56,719 --> 01:32:00,389
you have been selected and sworn
as a jury to try the case

1541
01:32:00,473 --> 01:32:04,227
The State of Florida
versus Susan Louise Lorincz.

1542
01:32:04,310 --> 01:32:08,314
Susan Lorincz is charged
with manslaughter by use of a firearm.

1543
01:32:21,744 --> 01:32:25,498
Did you ever see Isaac
and Izzy's mom reach for the door handle?

1544
01:32:25,581 --> 01:32:26,582
No.

1545
01:32:26,666 --> 01:32:31,337
Did you ever hear Isaac and Izzy's mom
say, "I'm going to kill you"?

1546
01:32:31,921 --> 01:32:33,005
No.

1547
01:32:33,089 --> 01:32:36,717
At any time, did you ever hear

1548
01:32:36,801 --> 01:32:40,680
Isaac and Izzy's mom say,
"I'm going to kill you"?

1549
01:32:40,763 --> 01:32:41,889
No, sir.

1550
01:32:42,723 --> 01:32:45,393
There have been shootings
in that neighborhood before?

1551
01:32:45,476 --> 01:32:47,228
-Objection. Irrelevance.
-Yes.

1552
01:32:47,311 --> 01:32:48,479
Sustained.

1553
01:32:49,146 --> 01:32:51,941
It's like a plastic-looking sign,
it's not really cardboard,

1554
01:32:52,024 --> 01:32:55,069
that you buy at the store
with a metal stake.

1555
01:32:57,071 --> 01:33:01,409
And Miss Owens told you
that she said to Susan on that night,

1556
01:33:01,909 --> 01:33:03,578
"The next time you walk up on my kids,

1557
01:33:03,661 --> 01:33:06,497
you're going to have
to take it up with me," right?

1558
01:33:06,581 --> 01:33:07,707
Correct.

1559
01:33:07,790 --> 01:33:10,459
Have you ever
personally told any of those children

1560
01:33:10,543 --> 01:33:12,169
they weren't allowed to do that?

1561
01:33:12,253 --> 01:33:13,254
I have not.

1562
01:33:13,337 --> 01:33:15,464
And why wouldn't you be able to do that?

1563
01:33:15,548 --> 01:33:17,550
-It's not my property.
-Okay.

1564
01:33:18,342 --> 01:33:21,137
The photograph 12
Is just a close-up of those two skates.

1565
01:33:21,220 --> 01:33:22,096
Yes, it is.

1566
01:33:33,149 --> 01:33:34,984
I don't know where she is.

1567
01:33:35,067 --> 01:33:37,320
I'm still in my house.
I didn't open my door to her.

1568
01:33:39,280 --> 01:33:41,240
When I arrived on scene,

1569
01:33:41,324 --> 01:33:43,326
it was complete chaos.

1570
01:33:43,409 --> 01:33:45,953
I saw the victim laying on the ground,

1571
01:33:46,037 --> 01:33:48,623
and several people
were stating that she was shot.

1572
01:33:48,706 --> 01:33:50,958
Did you look
to see if there was any damage

1573
01:33:51,042 --> 01:33:53,669
to the exterior of the door itself
besides the bullet hole?

1574
01:33:53,753 --> 01:33:55,755
I did not see anything of significance.

1575
01:33:55,838 --> 01:33:58,591
Did you locate anything
of significance in that trash can

1576
01:33:58,674 --> 01:34:00,301
underneath the marker number three?

1577
01:34:00,384 --> 01:34:02,803
There were two firearms.

1578
01:34:03,512 --> 01:34:05,431
This is the firearm.

1579
01:34:08,476 --> 01:34:10,561
If the evidence shows something different

1580
01:34:10,645 --> 01:34:13,648
than what you're saying,
it doesn't look good.

1581
01:34:14,649 --> 01:34:16,984
Did you force her
or threaten her in any way

1582
01:34:17,068 --> 01:34:19,570
to get her to talk to you
the second time on June 6th?

1583
01:34:19,654 --> 01:34:20,571
No, sir.

1584
01:34:20,655 --> 01:34:22,740
Which is two minutes after you hung up

1585
01:34:22,823 --> 01:34:25,242
with the communication center
the first time.

1586
01:34:25,326 --> 01:34:27,703
So that's two minutes
that all these things

1587
01:34:27,787 --> 01:34:30,247
that you say occurred
happened at your front door.

1588
01:34:31,415 --> 01:34:32,416
This case

1589
01:34:32,500 --> 01:34:34,502
basically requires you as a jury

1590
01:34:34,585 --> 01:34:36,212
to answer one question.

1591
01:34:36,879 --> 01:34:39,590
Was it reasonable to shoot through

1592
01:34:39,674 --> 01:34:44,470
a closed, locked, dead-bolted metal door

1593
01:34:44,553 --> 01:34:47,473
at someone who was banging
and yelling on the other side?

1594
01:34:47,973 --> 01:34:49,600
That's the ultimate question in this case.

1595
01:34:50,893 --> 01:34:54,105
If you are anywhere along this chart

1596
01:34:54,188 --> 01:34:56,065
other than the red part at the bottom,

1597
01:34:56,148 --> 01:34:58,859
you have to find Susan Lorincz not guilty.

1598
01:35:01,529 --> 01:35:04,198
I'm gonna have the clerk read the verdict.

1599
01:35:08,202 --> 01:35:09,662
The verdict as in count one.

1600
01:35:09,745 --> 01:35:13,833
We the jury find
as to count one of the charge

1601
01:35:13,916 --> 01:35:16,210
the defendant is guilty of manslaughter.

1602
01:35:16,293 --> 01:35:18,879
Did the state prove
beyond a reasonable doubt that

1603
01:35:18,963 --> 01:35:23,300
during the commission of the offense,
the defendant personally used a firearm?

1604
01:35:23,384 --> 01:35:27,972
Yes. So say we all,
dated the 16th day of August, 2024.

1605
01:35:28,681 --> 01:35:33,728
Miss Lorincz, the jury has found
you guilty of manslaughter with a firearm.

1606
01:35:33,811 --> 01:35:36,897
You're going to be held in custody
at the Marion County jail without bond.

1607
01:35:36,981 --> 01:35:39,817
Okay? Thank you and good luck to you.

1608
01:35:39,900 --> 01:35:41,569
Thank you, Judge. May we be excused?

1609
01:35:41,652 --> 01:35:43,154
-Yes, ma'am.
-Thank you.

1610
01:35:48,909 --> 01:35:51,370
My baby! Thank you, Jesus!