1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.BZ 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.BZ 3 00:00:12,278 --> 00:00:14,447 Darcy Weir is an independent researcher 4 00:00:14,447 --> 00:00:16,649 and filmmaker who has traveled around the world 5 00:00:16,649 --> 00:00:18,084 to study the UFO phenomenon. 6 00:00:20,520 --> 00:00:23,690 Back in August of 2020, under a shroud 7 00:00:23,690 --> 00:00:28,128 of secrecy, the UAP task force was clandestinely brought 8 00:00:28,128 --> 00:00:30,530 into existence within the shadows 9 00:00:30,530 --> 00:00:34,467 of the enigmatic US Department of Defense. 10 00:00:34,467 --> 00:00:37,303 The purpose of the UAP task force, 11 00:00:37,303 --> 00:00:40,507 to delve into the enigma surrounding reports 12 00:00:40,507 --> 00:00:43,676 of unidentified aerial phenomenon. 13 00:00:43,676 --> 00:00:46,780 Those elusive apparition like flying objects, 14 00:00:46,780 --> 00:00:51,217 more colloquially dubbed as UFOs. 15 00:00:51,217 --> 00:00:55,121 Surprisingly, rumors were abuzz 16 00:00:55,121 --> 00:00:58,725 in the intelligence community of military encounters 17 00:00:58,725 --> 00:01:03,596 with craft that demonstrated transmedium capabilities. 18 00:01:03,596 --> 00:01:08,334 In 2021, the intelligence community had a widely circulated 19 00:01:08,868 --> 00:01:13,139 report of UAPs that were photographed in years prior. 20 00:01:13,139 --> 00:01:15,608 One said object that was included 21 00:01:15,608 --> 00:01:19,879 in the report was photographed in 2019 22 00:01:19,879 --> 00:01:22,982 by an F-18 fighter pilot and described 23 00:01:22,982 --> 00:01:25,752 as a large equilateral triangle 24 00:01:25,752 --> 00:01:28,721 with rounded or blunted edges 25 00:01:28,721 --> 00:01:33,526 and large perfectly spherical white lights in each corner. 26 00:01:33,526 --> 00:01:37,397 This triangular craft was said to emerge from the ocean 27 00:01:37,397 --> 00:01:40,133 and then began to ascend straight upwards 28 00:01:40,133 --> 00:01:42,469 at a 90 degree angle. 29 00:01:42,469 --> 00:01:45,672 UAP that have originated in the ocean, 30 00:01:45,672 --> 00:01:49,509 that have been described by navy submarines 31 00:01:49,509 --> 00:01:52,846 and other personnel within the military have been described 32 00:01:52,846 --> 00:01:55,548 by the UFO community for decades 33 00:01:55,548 --> 00:01:59,986 as USOs, unidentified submerged objects. 34 00:01:59,986 --> 00:02:01,354 You know, that the fact 35 00:02:01,354 --> 00:02:05,725 of an object not seemingly being affected by going 36 00:02:05,725 --> 00:02:08,661 from one medium, air to another medium, water. 37 00:02:11,397 --> 00:02:14,734 There are cases of these objects entering without a splash. 38 00:02:16,236 --> 00:02:18,738 Sometimes there is a splash, sometimes there isn't. 39 00:02:18,738 --> 00:02:21,407 It could be whether a certain field is on or not though, 40 00:02:23,309 --> 00:02:26,746 and not necessarily slowing down at all 41 00:02:26,746 --> 00:02:28,815 when they enter the water. 42 00:02:28,815 --> 00:02:33,353 The United States Navy secretly classifis USOs 43 00:02:33,887 --> 00:02:38,224 as fast movers, which display remarkable speeds 44 00:02:38,224 --> 00:02:41,127 and agility beyond the capabilities 45 00:02:41,127 --> 00:02:44,464 of known human made submersibles. 46 00:02:45,064 --> 00:02:47,901 These sightings and detections have peaked the interest 47 00:02:47,901 --> 00:02:50,570 of the UAP task force, 48 00:02:50,570 --> 00:02:54,040 and it seems they have been cataloging the transmedium 49 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,509 capabilities of these objects 50 00:02:56,509 --> 00:02:58,244 for the intelligence community and the DoD. 51 00:03:13,560 --> 00:03:16,162 The story begins with the GoFast UAP video and NASA's- 52 00:03:16,162 --> 00:03:18,932 UAP evidence. 53 00:03:18,932 --> 00:03:20,600 But part of our statement of task is 54 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,803 to assess the scientific analysis techniques 55 00:03:23,803 --> 00:03:26,306 that are available and how we might use them 56 00:03:26,306 --> 00:03:27,939 to determine physical constraints on UAP. 57 00:03:30,877 --> 00:03:32,445 You know, the UAP reports 58 00:03:32,445 --> 00:03:35,114 with the most detailed contextual information are the ones 59 00:03:35,114 --> 00:03:37,350 from the Navy aviators with known separation 60 00:03:37,350 --> 00:03:39,886 in time, you can figure out how far it moved. 61 00:03:39,886 --> 00:03:42,689 And in this case, this object moved about 390 meters 62 00:03:42,689 --> 00:03:46,559 in 22 seconds, and that corresponds 63 00:03:46,559 --> 00:03:49,562 to a velocity of just 40 miles per hour. 64 00:03:49,562 --> 00:03:51,497 This is a parallax effect case. 65 00:03:54,801 --> 00:03:55,768 Thank you. 66 00:03:55,768 --> 00:03:58,438 My questions regarding this phenomena led me 67 00:03:58,438 --> 00:04:00,673 to American Oceanographer 68 00:04:00,673 --> 00:04:04,510 and retired rear Admiral, Tim Gallaudet. 69 00:04:04,510 --> 00:04:08,581 How long did you serve for the Navy and worked for NOAA? 70 00:04:08,581 --> 00:04:10,416 I served in the Navy for 32 years, 71 00:04:10,416 --> 00:04:12,819 and I then worked for NOAA 72 00:04:12,819 --> 00:04:15,888 after that for about three and a half years. 73 00:04:15,888 --> 00:04:20,393 While you were serving in the Navy, you had an encounter, 74 00:04:20,393 --> 00:04:26,699 well, you witnessed something while aboard a ship 75 00:04:26,899 --> 00:04:30,737 or while were you at, you know, a Navy office 76 00:04:30,737 --> 00:04:32,472 when you saw this video? 77 00:04:32,472 --> 00:04:34,774 Right, so I was in my office 78 00:04:34,774 --> 00:04:38,745 and the situation was, I was the commander 79 00:04:38,745 --> 00:04:42,248 of all the US Navy's meteorologists and oceanographers. 80 00:04:42,248 --> 00:04:45,018 And so my job was to oversee them 81 00:04:45,018 --> 00:04:48,021 and they deployed on various ships for training 82 00:04:48,021 --> 00:04:50,523 and for operations. 83 00:04:50,523 --> 00:04:54,560 And during 2015, the Navy was conducting a large exercise 84 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,831 off the US East Coast involving the USS Theodore Roosevelt. 85 00:04:58,831 --> 00:05:02,535 And I received an email on the Navy's secret network, 86 00:05:03,836 --> 00:05:07,874 and it was from my boss at US Fleet Forces Command, 87 00:05:08,908 --> 00:05:11,878 the operations officer that worked for him, 88 00:05:11,878 --> 00:05:14,247 two star Admiral, overseeing this exercise 89 00:05:14,247 --> 00:05:15,815 and the title 90 00:05:15,815 --> 00:05:19,819 of the email was "Urgent Safety Of Flight Issue." 91 00:05:19,819 --> 00:05:22,455 And in the body of the email, he was very brief 92 00:05:22,455 --> 00:05:25,558 and said, "If any of you," 93 00:05:25,558 --> 00:05:27,126 and there were about 20 other admirals, 94 00:05:27,126 --> 00:05:29,262 and one and two stars addressed 95 00:05:29,262 --> 00:05:32,665 that were under the US Fleet Forces command, 96 00:05:32,665 --> 00:05:37,003 "If any of you know what these are, tell me ASAP 97 00:05:37,003 --> 00:05:40,640 because we're having numerous near mid-air collisions 98 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,076 and we might have to cancel the exercise." 99 00:05:43,076 --> 00:05:46,746 And attached was the now famous and leaked GoFast video. 100 00:05:59,058 --> 00:06:00,736 Tango, six one, Tango, object (indistinct). 101 00:06:00,736 --> 00:06:04,630 Oh, got it! 102 00:06:04,630 --> 00:06:08,801 Roger, there's trouble shooting . 103 00:06:08,801 --> 00:06:11,671 You got smoking target. 104 00:06:11,671 --> 00:06:13,224 - No, I took an auto track. - Oh, okay. 105 00:06:14,307 --> 00:06:16,909 Oh my gosh, dude. Wow. 106 00:06:16,909 --> 00:06:20,279 What is that, man? Look at it fly. 107 00:06:20,947 --> 00:06:25,952 Of course I was surprised, but I knew then and there 108 00:06:25,952 --> 00:06:27,830 that we didn't have technology that could do that. 109 00:06:27,830 --> 00:06:32,625 And I knew it wasn't an adversary's capability 110 00:06:32,625 --> 00:06:35,061 because that was a US training range, 111 00:06:35,061 --> 00:06:37,029 which is strictly controlled 112 00:06:37,029 --> 00:06:41,567 and we would not have allowed any ship, foreign ship 113 00:06:41,567 --> 00:06:43,870 to deploy something like that. 114 00:06:43,870 --> 00:06:47,707 And so we had monitored that range very strictly. 115 00:06:47,707 --> 00:06:50,777 And so I received that email and I knew then 116 00:06:50,777 --> 00:06:53,880 that this was likely extraterrestrial origin 117 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:56,849 that people have long speculated about. 118 00:06:56,849 --> 00:06:59,752 And I called in my deputy, he was a senior civilian, 119 00:06:59,752 --> 00:07:02,755 and he and I spoke at length about this, 120 00:07:02,755 --> 00:07:05,425 and we were surprised, but a little bit not surprised 121 00:07:05,425 --> 00:07:07,827 because of all that's been coming out. 122 00:07:07,827 --> 00:07:12,198 And the more interesting thing is the next day it was wiped 123 00:07:12,432 --> 00:07:15,401 from my computer and my deputy's 124 00:07:15,401 --> 00:07:18,538 and everybody else who was on the email. 125 00:07:18,538 --> 00:07:21,941 And so I knew then that I surmised 126 00:07:21,941 --> 00:07:23,252 that this must have been in some kind 127 00:07:23,252 --> 00:07:25,845 of compartmented program 128 00:07:25,845 --> 00:07:27,780 and that this two star admiral had sent it 129 00:07:27,780 --> 00:07:30,283 to us, he didn't know about it 130 00:07:30,283 --> 00:07:34,187 and then whoever was in control of this program found out, 131 00:07:34,187 --> 00:07:37,323 and they of course withdrew all the information. 132 00:07:37,323 --> 00:07:39,325 And what was interesting 133 00:07:39,325 --> 00:07:42,562 to me though is I was the chief meteorologist in the Navy, 134 00:07:42,562 --> 00:07:44,997 and my job was safety of flight 135 00:07:44,997 --> 00:07:48,067 for whenever air operations are going on 136 00:07:48,067 --> 00:07:50,837 that my meteorologists were forecasting for those. 137 00:07:50,837 --> 00:07:52,114 And so this was a real top priority for me. 138 00:07:52,114 --> 00:07:53,673 And I could not- 139 00:07:53,673 --> 00:07:55,517 Like flights off of aircraft carriers, 140 00:07:55,517 --> 00:07:57,743 flights off of whatever. 141 00:07:57,743 --> 00:08:00,112 Airfield off the land airfield training 142 00:08:00,112 --> 00:08:03,483 or aircraft carriers, both in training events like this one 143 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:05,952 or deployed overseas, which I have done. 144 00:08:05,952 --> 00:08:07,820 I've served on a Navy aircraft carrier. 145 00:08:07,820 --> 00:08:11,858 And so what what was surprising is 146 00:08:11,858 --> 00:08:14,794 that I met with my commander and his staff 147 00:08:14,794 --> 00:08:16,462 and all the other subordinate commanders 148 00:08:16,462 --> 00:08:19,365 that were on this email thread every month. 149 00:08:19,365 --> 00:08:21,534 And the next meeting and the next, the next, 150 00:08:21,534 --> 00:08:23,636 none of this was ever talked about. 151 00:08:23,636 --> 00:08:26,706 I mean, we almost canceled a major exercise required 152 00:08:26,706 --> 00:08:30,142 to deploy overseas to the fifth fleet. 153 00:08:30,142 --> 00:08:33,813 And these are so structured and the timing is so compressed 154 00:08:34,914 --> 00:08:37,917 that to do so is a real major deal. 155 00:08:37,917 --> 00:08:39,986 The four star knew for sure. 156 00:08:39,986 --> 00:08:41,930 He probably reported to the chief of naval operations 157 00:08:41,930 --> 00:08:44,490 and no one ever talked about it. 158 00:08:44,490 --> 00:08:45,491 I couldn't believe it. 159 00:08:45,491 --> 00:08:47,627 But again, I figured it was 160 00:08:47,627 --> 00:08:50,096 in some intelligence communities black program 161 00:08:50,096 --> 00:08:52,465 and that's why no one talked about it. 162 00:08:52,465 --> 00:08:55,801 But then, you know, after I got outta the Navy 163 00:08:55,801 --> 00:08:58,046 and the government, that's when I began speaking up about it 164 00:08:58,046 --> 00:09:00,840 and it had already been leaked in the New York Times. 165 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:03,342 Okay, so this was 2015, you saw this. 166 00:09:03,342 --> 00:09:06,012 You were in service. 167 00:09:06,012 --> 00:09:10,783 Do you think the gentleman within the Navy who shared 168 00:09:10,783 --> 00:09:14,820 that email got reprimanded for doing so? 169 00:09:14,820 --> 00:09:16,656 Oh, I have no way of knowing. I doubt it. 170 00:09:16,656 --> 00:09:20,293 This is a real fine officer with impeccable integrity. 171 00:09:20,293 --> 00:09:21,961 He was just doing his job 172 00:09:21,961 --> 00:09:24,864 and well, I mean, so I would not know. 173 00:09:24,864 --> 00:09:28,801 But his boss was a very, I won't name names, 174 00:09:28,801 --> 00:09:30,736 but the four star who was his boss, 175 00:09:30,736 --> 00:09:36,175 US Fleet Forces commander, no matter 176 00:09:36,175 --> 00:09:38,344 what intelligence community official, he woulde stood 177 00:09:38,344 --> 00:09:40,379 by his people. 178 00:09:40,379 --> 00:09:44,016 He was a great leader. I highly doubt it. 179 00:09:44,016 --> 00:09:45,952 Because, I mean, his boss, the four star, 180 00:09:45,952 --> 00:09:47,796 he would never reprimand him for something like that. 181 00:09:47,796 --> 00:09:50,256 That's doing his job, safety of flight. 182 00:09:50,256 --> 00:09:54,660 But you knew that it's in the middle of the ocean. 183 00:09:54,660 --> 00:09:58,564 It's not a drone because drones need more fuel 184 00:09:58,564 --> 00:10:01,400 and more, let's say battery. 185 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:04,270 Well, it was a small circular object. 186 00:10:04,270 --> 00:10:06,248 It had none of the features of any of the drones operating 187 00:10:06,248 --> 00:10:08,741 in the US inventory or any of our adversaries. 188 00:10:08,741 --> 00:10:11,410 So it's definitely not a human made drone 189 00:10:11,410 --> 00:10:13,813 in the appearance of it. 190 00:10:13,813 --> 00:10:16,148 Yeah, could have been a non-human intelligence drone 191 00:10:16,148 --> 00:10:17,617 though, for all we know. 192 00:10:17,617 --> 00:10:20,920 Well, now we know after this historic hearing. 193 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:24,056 Yes, in all likelihood, it was. 194 00:10:24,056 --> 00:10:26,559 I'll now recognize Mr. Graves for five minutes 195 00:10:26,559 --> 00:10:29,028 for your opening statement. 196 00:10:29,028 --> 00:10:32,798 Thank you, Chairman Grothman, ranking member Garcia, 197 00:10:32,798 --> 00:10:35,267 distinguished members of the House Oversight Subcommittee 198 00:10:35,267 --> 00:10:37,870 on National Security, Representative Burchett and Luna. 199 00:10:38,604 --> 00:10:40,272 My name is Ryan FOBS Graves, 200 00:10:40,272 --> 00:10:41,841 and I'm a former F-18 pilot 201 00:10:41,841 --> 00:10:43,542 with a decade of service in the US Navy, 202 00:10:43,542 --> 00:10:44,710 including two deployments 203 00:10:44,710 --> 00:10:46,078 in Operation Enduring Freedom 204 00:10:46,078 --> 00:10:48,214 and Operation Inherent Resolve. 205 00:10:48,214 --> 00:10:50,416 I have experienced advanced UAP firsthand, 206 00:10:50,416 --> 00:10:52,151 and I'm here to voice the concerns 207 00:10:52,151 --> 00:10:54,396 of more than 30 commercial air crew and military veterans 208 00:10:54,396 --> 00:10:56,922 who have confided their similar encounters with me. 209 00:10:56,922 --> 00:11:00,126 In 2014, I was an F-18 Foxtrot pilot 210 00:11:00,126 --> 00:11:04,130 in the Navy Fighter Attack Squadron 11, the Red Rippers, 211 00:11:04,130 --> 00:11:07,733 and I was stationed at NAS Oceana in Virginia Beach. 212 00:11:07,733 --> 00:11:09,902 After upgrades were made to our jet's radar systems, 213 00:11:09,902 --> 00:11:11,279 we began detecting unknown objects operating 214 00:11:11,279 --> 00:11:12,772 in our airspace. 215 00:11:12,772 --> 00:11:15,207 At first, we assumed they were radar errors, 216 00:11:15,207 --> 00:11:17,510 but soon we began to correlate the radar tracks 217 00:11:17,510 --> 00:11:19,721 with multiple onboard sensors, including infrared systems, 218 00:11:19,721 --> 00:11:22,048 eventually through visual ID. 219 00:11:22,048 --> 00:11:24,617 During a training mission in warning area Whiskey-72, 220 00:11:24,617 --> 00:11:26,952 10 miles off the coast of Virginia Beach, 221 00:11:26,952 --> 00:11:29,922 two F-18 Super Hornets were split by a UAP. 222 00:11:29,922 --> 00:11:33,225 The object described as a dark gray or a black cube inside 223 00:11:33,225 --> 00:11:36,262 of a clear sphere came within 50 feet of the lead aircraft 224 00:11:36,262 --> 00:11:39,398 and was estimated to be five to 15 feet in diameter. 225 00:11:39,398 --> 00:11:40,876 The mission commander terminated the flight immediately 226 00:11:40,876 --> 00:11:42,868 and returned to base. 227 00:11:42,868 --> 00:11:45,204 Our squadron submitted a safety report, 228 00:11:45,204 --> 00:11:46,915 but there was no official acknowledgement of the incident 229 00:11:46,915 --> 00:11:49,341 and no further mechanism to report the sightings. 230 00:11:49,341 --> 00:11:50,919 Soon these encounters became so frequent 231 00:11:50,919 --> 00:11:52,344 that aircrew would discuss the risk 232 00:11:52,344 --> 00:11:55,848 of UAP as part of their regular pre-flight briefs. 233 00:11:55,848 --> 00:11:57,583 And there were many of them, by the way. 234 00:11:57,583 --> 00:11:59,418 Ryan Graves was saying 235 00:11:59,418 --> 00:12:00,962 that these were showing up on your sensors for days. 236 00:12:00,962 --> 00:12:02,188 Right. 237 00:12:02,188 --> 00:12:04,824 In fact, this was the exact time 238 00:12:04,824 --> 00:12:06,992 Ryan Graves was flying. 239 00:12:06,992 --> 00:12:09,995 He was flying off the Theodore Roosevelt 240 00:12:09,995 --> 00:12:11,864 and so these were the objects he was seeing 241 00:12:11,864 --> 00:12:13,632 when he was flying. 242 00:12:13,632 --> 00:12:18,504 Do you think the Navy knows, like generals 243 00:12:18,504 --> 00:12:23,242 and servicemen are well aware of UAPs 244 00:12:23,242 --> 00:12:28,080 or USOs, unidentified submerged objects in our oceans? 245 00:12:28,814 --> 00:12:30,983 I've talked to a few retired officers 246 00:12:30,983 --> 00:12:35,087 who have seen sonar signatures of these 247 00:12:35,087 --> 00:12:37,923 that can't be explained by anything made by our navy 248 00:12:37,923 --> 00:12:40,292 or our adversary navies. 249 00:12:40,292 --> 00:12:42,828 And so obviously there's a working level knowledge. 250 00:12:42,828 --> 00:12:46,098 It's not throughout the fleet, 251 00:12:46,098 --> 00:12:49,135 but there are known occurrences. 252 00:12:49,135 --> 00:12:53,172 I also have been talking to this growing community 253 00:12:53,172 --> 00:12:57,977 of experts, people like Lou Elizondo and Chris Mellon. 254 00:12:57,977 --> 00:13:00,412 I've even published an article with Chris Mellon 255 00:13:00,412 --> 00:13:02,748 and they know and have interviewed people 256 00:13:02,748 --> 00:13:04,784 who seen these objects either 257 00:13:04,784 --> 00:13:06,752 on their sensor data or visually. 258 00:13:07,086 --> 00:13:10,289 Mr. Fravor, do you believe 259 00:13:10,289 --> 00:13:12,558 that you witnessed an additional object under the water 260 00:13:12,558 --> 00:13:14,360 in relation to your encounter? 261 00:13:15,628 --> 00:13:17,196 I will say we did not see an object. 262 00:13:17,196 --> 00:13:19,007 There was something there to cause the whitewater, 263 00:13:19,007 --> 00:13:20,800 and when we turned around, it was gone. 264 00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:23,002 So there was something there that obviously moved. 265 00:13:23,002 --> 00:13:25,004 Okay, but it was not the same object though 266 00:13:25,004 --> 00:13:27,473 that you were looking at, correct? 267 00:13:27,473 --> 00:13:29,551 No, we actually joked that the Tic-Tac was communicating 268 00:13:29,551 --> 00:13:31,677 with something when we came back 269 00:13:31,677 --> 00:13:33,070 and because whitewater disappeared. 270 00:13:34,246 --> 00:13:36,849 Obviously, you're very interested 271 00:13:36,849 --> 00:13:40,052 in what's going on in our oceans, right? 272 00:13:40,052 --> 00:13:44,723 So have you ever heard of the term being discussed 273 00:13:44,723 --> 00:13:48,194 by even these retired navy men of what's called fast movers? 274 00:13:48,194 --> 00:13:48,994 I have. 275 00:13:48,994 --> 00:13:51,897 And no, I can't confirm 276 00:13:51,897 --> 00:13:54,867 there is an official program like that. 277 00:13:54,867 --> 00:13:58,037 I don't have working knowledge of it, 278 00:13:58,037 --> 00:14:02,341 but I've talked to people who do, and I'll just say that. 279 00:14:02,341 --> 00:14:04,777 Technically anything they've spoken 280 00:14:04,777 --> 00:14:07,913 to you about is completely classified 281 00:14:07,913 --> 00:14:11,283 and you're not at liberty to discuss that. 282 00:14:11,283 --> 00:14:12,885 Right. 283 00:14:12,885 --> 00:14:14,529 And look just like all the UAP information 284 00:14:14,529 --> 00:14:18,490 that Dave Grusch has been coming forward with, 285 00:14:18,490 --> 00:14:22,595 so that right now, all of that has not been disclosed. 286 00:14:22,595 --> 00:14:23,963 - It's classified. - Yeah. 287 00:14:23,963 --> 00:14:25,574 Do you have any personal knowledge of people 288 00:14:25,574 --> 00:14:28,500 who have been harmed or injured in efforts to cover up 289 00:14:28,500 --> 00:14:30,903 or conceal these extraterrestrial technology? 290 00:14:30,903 --> 00:14:35,741 Yes, personally. 291 00:14:35,741 --> 00:14:38,043 Have you heard anyone been murdered 292 00:14:38,043 --> 00:14:41,113 that you know of or have heard of, I guess? 293 00:14:41,113 --> 00:14:43,148 I have to be careful asking that question. 294 00:14:43,148 --> 00:14:44,750 I directed people with that knowledge 295 00:14:44,750 --> 00:14:45,994 to the appropriate authorities. 296 00:14:45,994 --> 00:14:49,021 Maybe if we could get it 297 00:14:49,021 --> 00:14:53,659 in a confidential area of SCIF, we could talk about that 298 00:14:53,659 --> 00:14:57,396 but unfortunately, we were denied access to the SCIF 299 00:14:58,998 --> 00:15:00,900 and that's very unfortunate in this scenario. 300 00:15:02,968 --> 00:15:05,604 In the pursuit to uncover more 301 00:15:05,604 --> 00:15:08,474 about a supposed fast mover program 302 00:15:08,474 --> 00:15:12,244 within the Navy, I was led 303 00:15:12,244 --> 00:15:16,048 to Mark D'Antonio, an astronomer photo and video analyst 304 00:15:17,182 --> 00:15:21,153 for MUFON Mutual UFO Network. 305 00:15:21,153 --> 00:15:24,423 Mark would share with me his experience 306 00:15:24,423 --> 00:15:28,794 with a USO while aboard a navy submarine. 307 00:15:28,794 --> 00:15:33,465 Now, I heard through the grapevine that you had a experience 308 00:15:33,465 --> 00:15:39,338 with what some people call a fast mover in the Navy. 309 00:15:39,872 --> 00:15:41,116 Yeah, I can tell you about that. 310 00:15:41,116 --> 00:15:42,441 Can you tell me 311 00:15:42,441 --> 00:15:46,745 about first possible like navy encounters 312 00:15:46,745 --> 00:15:49,915 with what are described as USOs? 313 00:15:49,915 --> 00:15:52,184 Yeah, I mean, USOs are really important 314 00:15:52,184 --> 00:15:54,286 unknown submersible objects. 315 00:15:54,286 --> 00:15:59,325 And that what happened years earlier in the Atlantic Ocean. 316 00:16:00,059 --> 00:16:03,362 Decades ago, that's plural, decades ago, 317 00:16:03,362 --> 00:16:05,464 I was doing some work for the Navy, I still do work 318 00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:08,334 for the Navy, and I was asked if I wanted 319 00:16:08,334 --> 00:16:12,671 to go on a submarine for a little trip so I did. 320 00:16:12,671 --> 00:16:15,474 And while on that sub, that one only time I ever went 321 00:16:15,474 --> 00:16:19,011 on a sub for this trip, I got seasick of course, 322 00:16:19,011 --> 00:16:22,281 because I'm not a sailor. 323 00:16:22,281 --> 00:16:24,917 And so when I got on the boat, I was just hoping 324 00:16:24,917 --> 00:16:27,419 to keep my stomach intact. 325 00:16:27,419 --> 00:16:30,489 On the surface, they roll like you can't believe, you know, 326 00:16:30,489 --> 00:16:33,359 especially when there's a storm passing through, hello. 327 00:16:33,359 --> 00:16:35,236 But when they're underwater, it feels like this right here. 328 00:16:35,236 --> 00:16:36,929 You don't know you're moving, 329 00:16:36,929 --> 00:16:38,864 then you might feel a little vibration. 330 00:16:38,864 --> 00:16:40,666 Okay, it goes through your feet 331 00:16:40,666 --> 00:16:43,736 as it changed water temperature or whatever, but that's it. 332 00:16:43,736 --> 00:16:49,641 So once we were smooth, I went and sat in a sonar shack, 333 00:16:49,641 --> 00:16:51,677 which is four consoles. 334 00:16:51,677 --> 00:16:53,379 The first console was manned. 335 00:16:53,379 --> 00:16:55,781 The second console, third and fourth were not. 336 00:16:55,781 --> 00:16:57,158 I asked if I could sit in the second 337 00:16:57,158 --> 00:16:58,083 and they said, "Yes, just don't touch anything." 338 00:16:58,083 --> 00:16:59,518 "I won't touch it." 339 00:17:00,619 --> 00:17:01,963 And so I sat there trying to regain my stomach 340 00:17:01,963 --> 00:17:03,956 and I sat there like this going, 341 00:17:03,956 --> 00:17:06,258 okay, don't throw up on the captain's shoes. 342 00:17:06,258 --> 00:17:07,960 We're gonna have dinner with 'em later. 343 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:10,662 Oh God, I don't want to eat, you know? 344 00:17:10,662 --> 00:17:18,370 And so the nature of a submarine is that it's noisy inside. 345 00:17:18,837 --> 00:17:21,173 You hear air. 346 00:17:22,041 --> 00:17:23,809 All the motors and machines. 347 00:17:23,809 --> 00:17:25,344 There are all kinds of machinery. 348 00:17:25,344 --> 00:17:28,580 And of course the navy prides itself 349 00:17:28,580 --> 00:17:31,650 on not letting that noise get out of a hull. 350 00:17:32,584 --> 00:17:35,220 So I sat there and that constant din 351 00:17:35,220 --> 00:17:37,289 of white noise was actually putting me asleep. 352 00:17:37,289 --> 00:17:40,692 So I ended up just nodding off 353 00:17:40,692 --> 00:17:44,963 and all of a sudden I'm awakened by the sonar guy. 354 00:17:44,963 --> 00:17:47,900 "Con sonar, con sonar, fast mover, fast mover." 355 00:17:47,900 --> 00:17:51,937 I jolt awake going, "Fast mover? Oh no. 356 00:17:51,937 --> 00:17:53,539 Oh no, it's a torpedo." 357 00:17:53,539 --> 00:17:55,607 I immediately got adrenaline surge. 358 00:17:55,607 --> 00:17:58,210 I thought I was about to die inside this iron coffin. 359 00:17:58,210 --> 00:18:00,045 That's what I thought. 360 00:18:00,045 --> 00:18:01,747 And the executive officer just sort 361 00:18:01,747 --> 00:18:03,415 of saunters around the corner 362 00:18:03,415 --> 00:18:06,418 and he looks down, I'm thinking, wow, he's pretty calm 363 00:18:06,418 --> 00:18:08,921 in the face of a torpedo incoming. 364 00:18:08,921 --> 00:18:11,390 At least I made it into a torpedo. 365 00:18:11,390 --> 00:18:13,892 And the XO as their called looks around 366 00:18:13,892 --> 00:18:15,794 and says, "What do you got?" 367 00:18:15,794 --> 00:18:18,497 And the kid was facing that way and the XO was facing me. 368 00:18:18,497 --> 00:18:20,475 I'm at the edge of my seat leaning like it's something 369 00:18:20,475 --> 00:18:23,302 you do every day, trying to hear the conversation 370 00:18:23,302 --> 00:18:25,003 'cause it was hard to hear. 371 00:18:25,003 --> 00:18:26,405 And the kid gave him the bearing 372 00:18:26,405 --> 00:18:28,574 in the range softer than next sentence 373 00:18:28,574 --> 00:18:30,576 and I didn't hear that. 374 00:18:30,576 --> 00:18:33,645 But I did hear when the XO asked for the speed 375 00:18:33,645 --> 00:18:37,483 and the kid said loudly, he turned in his seat like this 376 00:18:38,684 --> 00:18:40,419 and he held his hands out. 377 00:18:40,419 --> 00:18:42,020 And at first he didn't say anything. 378 00:18:42,020 --> 00:18:45,157 He's like, "Several hundred knots, sir." 379 00:18:45,157 --> 00:18:47,326 And he just kept his hands like this, right, 380 00:18:47,326 --> 00:18:48,327 'cause he didn't know what to do with it. 381 00:18:48,327 --> 00:18:49,728 A sonar guy is supposed 382 00:18:49,728 --> 00:18:52,831 to classify every single thing they see. 383 00:18:52,831 --> 00:18:55,000 They're supposed to know. 384 00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:58,470 This one, he didn't know because he couldn't possibly know. 385 00:18:58,470 --> 00:19:01,273 And so he was like this, not knowing what to do. 386 00:19:01,273 --> 00:19:05,244 And the XO said to him, "Okay, log and dog it." 387 00:19:05,244 --> 00:19:06,955 And he went, "Sir, yes sir," and he went right back 388 00:19:06,955 --> 00:19:09,781 to work, no questions asked, nothing. 389 00:19:09,781 --> 00:19:12,417 Well, me, Mr. Bigshot, because I was invited, you see, 390 00:19:12,417 --> 00:19:14,920 on this boat, so I'm an important person. 391 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:17,189 I know you can see where this is going. 392 00:19:17,189 --> 00:19:19,925 I get up and I go over to the XO 393 00:19:19,925 --> 00:19:24,263 and I said, "Sir, well I'm familiar with these fast movers. 394 00:19:24,263 --> 00:19:25,864 Is there anything I can help you with?" 395 00:19:25,864 --> 00:19:29,001 By the way, seasickness gone. 396 00:19:29,001 --> 00:19:30,512 As soon as I heard this, I was like, gone. 397 00:19:30,512 --> 00:19:33,372 You know, so it's psychological in part. 398 00:19:33,372 --> 00:19:35,707 I say, "Is there anything I can help you with, sir?" 399 00:19:35,707 --> 00:19:36,675 He looks at me and he goes, "D'Antonio, right?" 400 00:19:36,675 --> 00:19:38,110 I go, "Sir, yes sir." 401 00:19:38,110 --> 00:19:39,011 He says, "You're having a good trip so far? 402 00:19:39,011 --> 00:19:40,412 "Sir, yes, sir." 403 00:19:40,412 --> 00:19:41,925 And he goes, "Let's keep it that way." 404 00:19:42,781 --> 00:19:45,017 Okay. And he walked away. 405 00:19:45,017 --> 00:19:47,319 So I was like, okay. 406 00:19:47,319 --> 00:19:48,429 And he said it in a nice way. 407 00:19:48,429 --> 00:19:49,421 He wasn't like, let's keep it that. 408 00:19:49,421 --> 00:19:50,355 He said, "Let's keep it that way," 409 00:19:50,355 --> 00:19:51,657 and he turned and walked away. 410 00:19:51,657 --> 00:19:52,658 He doesn't wanna talk about it. 411 00:19:52,658 --> 00:19:53,592 He didn't wanna talk about it. 412 00:19:53,592 --> 00:19:56,328 And I thought if I saw something 413 00:19:56,328 --> 00:19:58,797 on just one trip, they must be very common, 414 00:19:58,797 --> 00:20:02,000 so I started looking into it and they are. 415 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,970 I found other submarines and they laugh, 416 00:20:04,970 --> 00:20:07,239 "Oh yeah, we call those things jellyfish on our boat." 417 00:20:07,239 --> 00:20:08,974 "Jellyfish?" 418 00:20:08,974 --> 00:20:10,952 "Yeah, Just to classify 'em 'cause they don't go anywhere. 419 00:20:10,952 --> 00:20:12,353 We don't know what they are." - It's just a code word. 420 00:20:12,353 --> 00:20:13,779 They don't make noise 421 00:20:13,779 --> 00:20:15,123 so that's sort of like the little in joke, right? 422 00:20:15,123 --> 00:20:17,549 Jellyfish don't make noises. 423 00:20:17,549 --> 00:20:21,286 So they call 'em jellyfish just to name them something. 424 00:20:21,286 --> 00:20:24,489 So how does sonar work? 425 00:20:24,489 --> 00:20:26,668 Can you kind of explain that for the audience a little bit? 426 00:20:26,668 --> 00:20:30,862 Is it like an echolocation sort of technology? 427 00:20:32,331 --> 00:20:33,665 Sonar is a lot like light. 428 00:20:33,665 --> 00:20:35,867 And the physics of light are, 429 00:20:35,867 --> 00:20:37,903 you have might have a source like the sun 430 00:20:37,903 --> 00:20:42,908 and it emits photons and the light bounces off an object 431 00:20:42,908 --> 00:20:44,152 and then hits your eye and that allows you 432 00:20:44,152 --> 00:20:46,678 to register what that is. 433 00:20:46,678 --> 00:20:50,048 Sonar works in the same way, but at much lower frequencies. 434 00:20:50,048 --> 00:20:54,386 And so a pulse is emitted from a transducer or an object 435 00:20:54,386 --> 00:20:58,857 that emanates sound, and it is received by a hydrophone 436 00:20:58,857 --> 00:21:02,227 and it's basically vibrations of the molecules in the water 437 00:21:02,227 --> 00:21:06,865 and that's what registers a sound at a certain signal level. 438 00:21:07,566 --> 00:21:09,401 So an object that is emitting. 439 00:21:09,401 --> 00:21:11,370 Yeah, and there's two forms of it. 440 00:21:11,370 --> 00:21:14,339 There's passive sonar, which just listens for noise 441 00:21:14,339 --> 00:21:16,808 that's generated by anything 442 00:21:16,808 --> 00:21:19,311 and then there's active sonar, which is like radar. 443 00:21:19,311 --> 00:21:23,649 And it's where something like a sonar, a USS ship 444 00:21:23,649 --> 00:21:28,487 or submarine emits a sound signal 445 00:21:28,487 --> 00:21:30,656 and it bounces off an object and comes back 446 00:21:30,656 --> 00:21:32,033 and allows you to determine the distance 447 00:21:32,033 --> 00:21:33,592 to which that object is 448 00:21:33,592 --> 00:21:36,828 and also over time, it's speed. 449 00:21:36,828 --> 00:21:38,630 That's when you're pinging someone. 450 00:21:38,630 --> 00:21:40,899 That's right. Exactly right, yeah. 451 00:21:40,899 --> 00:21:42,934 And then several years later, I have to do a job 452 00:21:42,934 --> 00:21:45,737 for the joint chiefs down in Washington. 453 00:21:45,737 --> 00:21:47,706 In fact, it was a presidential model, had to do 454 00:21:47,706 --> 00:21:49,574 for the president of the United States. 455 00:21:49,574 --> 00:21:51,777 So I did this model, I drove it down. 456 00:21:51,777 --> 00:21:55,614 I went to a home of one of the joint chiefs, 457 00:21:55,614 --> 00:21:59,017 and I sat with him in his house, in his living room, 458 00:21:59,017 --> 00:22:00,552 and I asked him a question. 459 00:22:00,552 --> 00:22:02,321 My brain said, "Don't ask. 460 00:22:02,321 --> 00:22:04,823 Don't ask the question. Don't say it." 461 00:22:04,823 --> 00:22:06,191 I was already saying it, 462 00:22:06,191 --> 00:22:08,464 "Sir, what can you tell me about the Fast Mover program?" 463 00:22:08,464 --> 00:22:12,297 And that's where you ruin friendships 464 00:22:12,297 --> 00:22:15,233 and relationships is when you start prying. 465 00:22:15,233 --> 00:22:17,703 You know, I had a high clearance at the time 466 00:22:17,703 --> 00:22:20,439 and I didn't wanna jeopardize that, 467 00:22:20,439 --> 00:22:23,408 but something made me ask 468 00:22:23,408 --> 00:22:25,277 and I immediately went, oh, 469 00:22:25,277 --> 00:22:27,212 like that, I shouldn't have asked 470 00:22:27,212 --> 00:22:28,780 and I think he picked up on that. 471 00:22:28,780 --> 00:22:31,483 He kinda smiled. He goes, "I'm sorry, Marc. 472 00:22:31,483 --> 00:22:32,984 I can't talk about that program." 473 00:22:34,019 --> 00:22:36,254 This is the second in command for the Navy? 474 00:22:36,254 --> 00:22:37,689 Yes. 475 00:22:37,689 --> 00:22:40,192 - And he- - What's his name? 476 00:22:40,192 --> 00:22:41,860 I can't give that to you. 477 00:22:41,860 --> 00:22:44,363 Okay, because you probably can research it, 478 00:22:44,363 --> 00:22:45,330 but it was decades ago. - What year? 479 00:22:45,330 --> 00:22:46,398 This was decades ago. 480 00:22:46,398 --> 00:22:48,100 I can't talk about that. 481 00:22:48,100 --> 00:22:50,736 It's the nature of my trip, the nature, I can't talk. 482 00:22:50,736 --> 00:22:52,738 And that's part of the problem, isn't it, 483 00:22:52,738 --> 00:22:54,473 with this world? 484 00:22:55,374 --> 00:22:58,443 People will doubt anything you say 485 00:22:58,443 --> 00:23:00,979 if you can't give 'em all the details, you know? 486 00:23:00,979 --> 00:23:04,149 Well, I'm sorry, that's just what has to be lived with. 487 00:23:04,149 --> 00:23:05,222 It's classified. 488 00:23:05,222 --> 00:23:06,785 It just that I can't talk about it. 489 00:23:06,785 --> 00:23:09,721 And you have a nondisclosure agreement. 490 00:23:09,721 --> 00:23:13,458 Well, you have a non jail time agreement. 491 00:23:14,726 --> 00:23:17,629 If you violate that, you're going to jail, you kno? 492 00:23:17,629 --> 00:23:22,067 And I get mad when I see politicians violate this, 493 00:23:22,067 --> 00:23:24,669 and nothing happens to 'em 494 00:23:24,669 --> 00:23:27,806 but if I violate it, I'm going right to the can, you know? 495 00:23:27,806 --> 00:23:30,742 So I've never done that. I never will, I can't. 496 00:23:30,742 --> 00:23:32,878 All of this talk about submarines 497 00:23:32,878 --> 00:23:35,514 and the USO phenomenon reminded me 498 00:23:35,514 --> 00:23:37,449 that I could go see my friend, 499 00:23:37,449 --> 00:23:39,684 Jim Goodall in Tucson, Arizona. 500 00:23:39,684 --> 00:23:41,520 Having written a book 501 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:45,457 on our Navy subs, this man has probably been 502 00:23:45,457 --> 00:23:48,593 aboard more submarines than any civilian, 503 00:23:48,593 --> 00:23:52,631 and perhaps more than some navy men. 504 00:23:52,631 --> 00:24:00,664 When you hear about navy submarine seamen witnessing 505 00:24:01,673 --> 00:24:06,211 or noticing on sonar USO activity, 506 00:24:06,211 --> 00:24:08,680 objects that are moving, you know, 507 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,949 300 knots plus in the water. 508 00:24:13,251 --> 00:24:15,520 I don't know the date involved, 509 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,622 and I won't use the gentleman's name, 510 00:24:19,191 --> 00:24:23,195 even though he's mentioned it publicly and has been in print 511 00:24:24,296 --> 00:24:27,899 that during some testing 512 00:24:27,899 --> 00:24:33,672 on the the Los Angeles class improved 688 513 00:24:34,673 --> 00:24:37,409 Los Angeles Class fast attack submarine, 514 00:24:37,409 --> 00:24:41,913 the USS Hampton, I think it's SSN 767. 515 00:24:41,913 --> 00:24:44,182 They were doing something new with the sonar, 516 00:24:46,117 --> 00:24:52,491 and an object was being picked up on sonar as a fast mover 517 00:24:52,691 --> 00:24:55,126 and it went zipping by 'em. 518 00:24:56,962 --> 00:24:59,865 And the sonar operator said, "That went 519 00:24:59,865 --> 00:25:04,035 by us and in excess of 800 miles an hour." 520 00:25:04,035 --> 00:25:05,070 Wow. 521 00:25:05,070 --> 00:25:07,239 And it wasn't a biologic 522 00:25:07,239 --> 00:25:12,344 and it wasn't an error in the processor 523 00:25:12,344 --> 00:25:14,489 because there are multiple sensors picked up this object, 524 00:25:14,489 --> 00:25:15,881 whatever it was. 525 00:25:15,881 --> 00:25:18,617 They have no explanation for it. 526 00:25:18,617 --> 00:25:21,052 Of course, the Navy is not saying anything about it 527 00:25:21,052 --> 00:25:26,191 because, you know, if they admit that something happened, 528 00:25:26,458 --> 00:25:27,259 then, you know, they're gonna have 529 00:25:27,259 --> 00:25:28,894 to come up with an answer. 530 00:25:30,228 --> 00:25:34,065 And if they deny it, there's no consequences for saying no. 531 00:25:35,700 --> 00:25:39,838 99.9% of the operational military submarines 532 00:25:39,838 --> 00:25:43,708 have a test depth, which is whether they're limited 533 00:25:44,543 --> 00:25:48,013 to go beyond of 1200 feet. 534 00:25:48,013 --> 00:25:52,150 Virginia class is about to be about 1500 feet. 535 00:25:52,150 --> 00:25:56,454 And the three Seawolf boats, it's 2000 feet. 536 00:25:56,454 --> 00:25:58,456 What's the fastest speed 537 00:25:58,456 --> 00:26:02,193 that a submarine is known to travel at? 538 00:26:03,562 --> 00:26:06,464 Well, when I think, 539 00:26:06,464 --> 00:26:08,567 when the USS Connecticut hit the sea, 540 00:26:08,567 --> 00:26:10,335 it hit the sea out here not too long ago, 541 00:26:10,335 --> 00:26:14,406 and I was on that sub 2017. 542 00:26:14,406 --> 00:26:16,141 I think they were doing like 35 knots, 543 00:26:16,141 --> 00:26:17,876 that's 40 miles an hour. 544 00:26:17,876 --> 00:26:21,580 Now, when the San Francisco hit, that was SSN 711, 545 00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:27,953 they had had the nose hatch to the sonar catwalk open. 546 00:26:28,753 --> 00:26:32,591 It's a 32 or 34 inch hole. 547 00:26:33,858 --> 00:26:41,858 It's six inches thick of HY-80 steel. 548 00:26:42,801 --> 00:26:46,638 And the HY-80 stands for, 549 00:26:46,638 --> 00:26:50,342 you can go 80,000 PSI before it starts to deform. 550 00:26:51,676 --> 00:26:54,946 The newer subs are using HY-100. 551 00:26:56,247 --> 00:26:59,184 And it's only produced, I think, in, you know, one 552 00:26:59,184 --> 00:27:03,288 or two mills under exclusive contract of United States Navy. 553 00:27:07,792 --> 00:27:10,895 So you think it's really about 40 miles per hour 554 00:27:10,895 --> 00:27:15,533 that our technology can withstand, you know, ocean 555 00:27:15,533 --> 00:27:18,169 drag effects and the water? 556 00:27:18,169 --> 00:27:19,871 They can go a little faster than that. 557 00:27:19,871 --> 00:27:21,182 Well, yeah, the Russians have claimed 558 00:27:21,182 --> 00:27:24,376 they have torpedoes that go 200 or 400 miles an hour 559 00:27:24,376 --> 00:27:27,912 and that's because they are putting a stream of air- 560 00:27:27,912 --> 00:27:29,147 In front of them. 561 00:27:29,147 --> 00:27:31,549 - In front of it. - So it creates an envelope? 562 00:27:31,549 --> 00:27:33,785 Yeah, and that's why like 563 00:27:33,785 --> 00:27:36,187 when they fire a ballistic missile out 564 00:27:36,187 --> 00:27:41,426 of one of our Ohio boats, they're about 150 feet deep 565 00:27:41,426 --> 00:27:43,862 when they launch. 566 00:27:43,862 --> 00:27:49,834 And the rocket, the Trident two doesn't even get wet 567 00:27:50,869 --> 00:27:55,173 because the blast of air pushing the thing out 568 00:27:55,173 --> 00:27:59,978 envelops the entire sub, I mean the entire missile. 569 00:27:59,978 --> 00:28:03,481 And then once it clears the water, then it ignites. 570 00:28:04,816 --> 00:28:06,985 I've always been fascinated with submarines. 571 00:28:06,985 --> 00:28:10,055 And I can remember back in the '60s, I wrote 572 00:28:11,256 --> 00:28:15,760 General Dynamics Electric Boat in Groton, Connecticut, 573 00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:19,130 and asked for some photos or anything they have on the, 574 00:28:20,465 --> 00:28:24,469 at the time it was the fleet ballistic missile submarine 575 00:28:24,469 --> 00:28:27,405 they called the 41 for freedom ballistic missile subs 576 00:28:28,673 --> 00:28:31,576 and fast attacks, the early fast attacks. 577 00:28:32,510 --> 00:28:35,380 And they sent me some stuff, but that was about it. 578 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:41,786 And I had an opportunity in 2004 579 00:28:43,021 --> 00:28:45,423 to go for a ride on the Henry M. Jackson. 580 00:28:45,423 --> 00:28:51,029 That is the SSBN 730. 581 00:28:51,863 --> 00:28:57,335 It is a 560 foot long, 18,000 tons submerged 582 00:28:59,003 --> 00:29:01,139 nuclear powered ballistic missile submarine. 583 00:29:02,974 --> 00:29:08,313 Prior to assault treaties, they had 24 missile tubes, 584 00:29:08,613 --> 00:29:12,851 and each one of the D5 missiles, 585 00:29:12,851 --> 00:29:14,452 which are the most advanced missiles 586 00:29:14,452 --> 00:29:16,855 that it carries, could carry up 587 00:29:16,855 --> 00:29:23,895 to 14 quarter megaton hydrogen bombs times 24 588 00:29:24,896 --> 00:29:26,731 but because the saw they had to put ballast 589 00:29:26,731 --> 00:29:30,969 in four of the middle tubes. 590 00:29:30,969 --> 00:29:33,538 But I had a chance to go out, we went out 591 00:29:33,538 --> 00:29:35,874 through the Strait of Juan de Fuca. 592 00:29:35,874 --> 00:29:37,685 I'm up in there in the sail and I'm looking around 593 00:29:37,685 --> 00:29:39,711 and saying, you know, Gene Hackman 594 00:29:39,711 --> 00:29:42,280 and Denzel Washington don't have a thing on me. 595 00:29:45,850 --> 00:29:46,851 I concur, sir. 596 00:29:46,851 --> 00:29:49,354 When you think 597 00:29:49,354 --> 00:29:55,126 of these massive nuclear war boats going out 598 00:29:55,126 --> 00:30:01,800 to North Korea, right, and we're in the middle 599 00:30:02,033 --> 00:30:07,305 of a potential war, right, World War III, possibly. 600 00:30:08,173 --> 00:30:09,850 I know that you don't think it's actually gonna happen, 601 00:30:09,850 --> 00:30:13,378 but what if one of those things sinks 602 00:30:13,378 --> 00:30:15,313 and detonates at the bottom of the ocean? 603 00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:16,714 Like could that- 604 00:30:16,714 --> 00:30:18,416 A nuclear weapon or- 605 00:30:18,416 --> 00:30:21,252 Yeah, like a massive nuclear warhead. 606 00:30:21,252 --> 00:30:23,955 A warhead that's on one of those U-boats, you know, like 607 00:30:23,955 --> 00:30:26,724 what if that detonates in the ocean, 608 00:30:26,724 --> 00:30:30,628 would that be radioactive to the planet, like that mess up? 609 00:30:30,628 --> 00:30:34,766 The precision and maintenance 610 00:30:34,766 --> 00:30:39,204 of nuclear weapons is very intensive. 611 00:30:39,204 --> 00:30:46,277 The radiation destroys metal and it destroys electronics. 612 00:30:46,845 --> 00:30:50,782 So they have to continuously upgrade and update, 613 00:30:50,782 --> 00:30:58,815 plus the plutonium, it starts decay. 614 00:31:01,292 --> 00:31:04,429 It has a half life of 25,000 years or something like that. 615 00:31:04,429 --> 00:31:07,999 Considering the dangers of nuclear weapons 616 00:31:07,999 --> 00:31:11,202 maybe we shouldn't always rely on aliens above 617 00:31:11,202 --> 00:31:14,405 and below to save our asses. 618 00:31:14,405 --> 00:31:19,711 Would you think it's fair to say that the Navy, 619 00:31:19,711 --> 00:31:24,482 and, you know, the NOAA 620 00:31:24,482 --> 00:31:32,457 and the different oceanic scientific organizations 621 00:31:32,824 --> 00:31:36,461 still don't know everything that's down there in the bottom? 622 00:31:36,461 --> 00:31:39,163 I mean, you know, do we know that everything's, you know, 623 00:31:39,163 --> 00:31:40,665 below the surface of the ocean. 624 00:31:40,665 --> 00:31:44,168 We only know about 5% 625 00:31:44,569 --> 00:31:48,072 of what's in the bottom of the world's oceans. 626 00:31:49,073 --> 00:31:51,876 When I was at NOAA, we had remotely operated vehicles 627 00:31:51,876 --> 00:31:54,012 that were rated to go down to 6,000 meters 628 00:31:54,012 --> 00:31:56,948 and do the science of deep sea oceanography, 629 00:31:56,948 --> 00:31:58,883 which is really interesting. 630 00:31:58,883 --> 00:32:00,919 And then there was my friend, Victor Vescovo, 631 00:32:00,919 --> 00:32:03,087 who designed the ultimate submersible 632 00:32:03,087 --> 00:32:04,999 and went down to the deepest parts of the ocean. 633 00:32:04,999 --> 00:32:07,492 And then still he's collected some great data 634 00:32:07,492 --> 00:32:11,996 but all of these areas are very little understood 635 00:32:11,996 --> 00:32:13,865 and need to be looked at more. 636 00:32:13,865 --> 00:32:17,168 Right now we have, 637 00:32:18,636 --> 00:32:20,939 what kind of listening systems in the oceans? 638 00:32:20,939 --> 00:32:22,807 We have the SOSUS. 639 00:32:22,807 --> 00:32:24,108 We have quite a bit. 640 00:32:24,108 --> 00:32:27,045 We have, it's called SOSUS, it's US Navy. 641 00:32:27,045 --> 00:32:28,746 It's operated by the commander 642 00:32:28,746 --> 00:32:31,182 of the Undersea Surveillance Command. 643 00:32:31,182 --> 00:32:34,018 I know a former commander of that command 644 00:32:34,018 --> 00:32:36,754 and I know officers within that command 645 00:32:36,754 --> 00:32:39,624 and they're managing these undersea surveillance networks 646 00:32:39,624 --> 00:32:41,926 that are basically arrays of hydrophones on the seabed 647 00:32:41,926 --> 00:32:44,595 and we use those for anti-submarine warfare. 648 00:32:44,595 --> 00:32:47,031 That is a source. 649 00:32:47,031 --> 00:32:51,069 And also there are of course, mobile assets 650 00:32:51,069 --> 00:32:54,772 either unmanned underwater vehicles, 651 00:32:54,772 --> 00:32:56,941 and there's a wide range 652 00:32:56,941 --> 00:32:58,676 of those in the private sector right now 653 00:32:58,676 --> 00:33:01,479 and the Navy has a few of them as well as NOAA. 654 00:33:01,479 --> 00:33:05,717 And then there are even a pretty extensive range 655 00:33:05,717 --> 00:33:09,887 of drifting types of buoys and sensor configurations. 656 00:33:09,887 --> 00:33:12,256 So there's a large amount of the ocean 657 00:33:12,256 --> 00:33:13,758 that's being looked at already. 658 00:33:13,758 --> 00:33:15,860 We can do more. 659 00:33:15,860 --> 00:33:18,963 And I pretty much have a handle on all 660 00:33:18,963 --> 00:33:21,899 of those both within the US and within partners. 661 00:33:21,899 --> 00:33:23,468 And in fact, your home country 662 00:33:23,468 --> 00:33:26,270 of Canada has a very significant network 663 00:33:26,270 --> 00:33:30,274 of undersea acoustic observation capability. 664 00:33:30,274 --> 00:33:34,379 So when they're listening, these listening networks 665 00:33:34,379 --> 00:33:39,650 of devices, they have cataloged all of the biologics 666 00:33:39,917 --> 00:33:41,786 and they've cataloged all 667 00:33:41,786 --> 00:33:43,955 of the equipment that's known, right? 668 00:33:43,955 --> 00:33:46,557 Especially for the Navy, you guys have to know 669 00:33:46,557 --> 00:33:50,061 what the Russians are driving, what the Chinese, 670 00:33:50,061 --> 00:33:54,499 what, you know, anybody who has an aquatic force. 671 00:33:55,867 --> 00:33:58,069 Yeah, that's the office of naval intelligence. 672 00:33:58,069 --> 00:34:00,204 They're really good at that and that's their job. 673 00:34:00,204 --> 00:34:04,242 So you're of the mind that 674 00:34:04,242 --> 00:34:06,744 when we see these objects going 675 00:34:06,744 --> 00:34:09,680 through our oceans at 500 knots, 676 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:14,352 which we are only like able to send things like, 677 00:34:14,352 --> 00:34:20,458 for example, submarine can go maybe a max of 35 to 40 knots, 678 00:34:20,458 --> 00:34:25,029 and then maybe the Russians have these torpedoes 679 00:34:25,663 --> 00:34:27,932 that they create a air bubble in front of, 680 00:34:27,932 --> 00:34:30,868 and those can go up to 200 miles 681 00:34:30,868 --> 00:34:32,336 or something like that, 682 00:34:32,336 --> 00:34:37,341 which I think is like, I don't know, 100 knots 683 00:34:37,341 --> 00:34:39,911 or something like that, 150 knots, something like that. 684 00:34:39,911 --> 00:34:41,846 Yeah. That's called super cavitation. 685 00:34:41,846 --> 00:34:44,449 I'm not gonna comment on our own force 686 00:34:44,449 --> 00:34:47,351 or adversary capabilities in terms of numbers, 687 00:34:47,351 --> 00:34:51,289 but I'll say yes, that we have capabilities 688 00:34:51,289 --> 00:34:56,360 that currently the phenomena we're seeing far exceed. 689 00:34:57,028 --> 00:34:59,597 Okay, so we have a threshold 690 00:34:59,597 --> 00:35:02,567 in which we cannot go beyond in terms of speed- 691 00:35:02,567 --> 00:35:03,768 Right. 692 00:35:03,768 --> 00:35:04,635 - Underwater. - Yeah. 693 00:35:04,635 --> 00:35:06,037 Okay. 694 00:35:06,037 --> 00:35:07,114 I mean, and this is just like the UAP 695 00:35:07,114 --> 00:35:09,207 that are observed in the atmosphere. 696 00:35:09,207 --> 00:35:12,643 And this is why this is such a historic time, 697 00:35:12,643 --> 00:35:17,582 is when we begin learning more about these phenomena 698 00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:21,819 and possibly the technology that allows 699 00:35:21,819 --> 00:35:29,460 for them to do, we're gonna learn things, maybe new physics. 700 00:35:29,694 --> 00:35:31,829 And I know they are certain people like 701 00:35:31,829 --> 00:35:35,366 Avi Loeb, they don't like that term new physics 702 00:35:35,366 --> 00:35:37,435 because they think we know all there is to know. 703 00:35:37,435 --> 00:35:39,770 But actually, I do disagree. 704 00:35:39,770 --> 00:35:41,448 I don't think we know all there is to know. 705 00:35:41,448 --> 00:35:43,508 And I think, so not new physics being, 706 00:35:43,508 --> 00:35:46,410 it will violate anything we know currently. 707 00:35:46,410 --> 00:35:48,980 It's just that we're gonna learn about certain possibilities 708 00:35:48,980 --> 00:35:50,681 that we've just yet to discover. 709 00:35:50,681 --> 00:35:51,682 With our own current physics. 710 00:35:51,682 --> 00:35:52,884 Yeah, exactly. 711 00:35:52,884 --> 00:35:54,185 So just the laws of physics 712 00:35:54,185 --> 00:35:57,155 as we know them is gonna be expanded 713 00:35:57,155 --> 00:35:59,790 and then that's what's so exciting. 714 00:35:59,790 --> 00:36:03,728 As an oceanographer, can you describe, sort of illustrate 715 00:36:03,728 --> 00:36:08,232 for me the different levels of ocean volume 716 00:36:08,232 --> 00:36:10,801 as we go down to a trench? 717 00:36:10,801 --> 00:36:12,537 Wow. 718 00:36:12,537 --> 00:36:14,205 And just sort of like types 719 00:36:14,205 --> 00:36:19,243 of biologics along the way and what, you know, 720 00:36:19,243 --> 00:36:22,180 kind of submarines we would, 721 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:24,715 what kind of vehicles we can actually operate? 722 00:36:24,715 --> 00:36:27,785 Okay at a very high level, the surface down 723 00:36:27,785 --> 00:36:32,456 to 100 meters, that's where navy submarines operate. 724 00:36:32,957 --> 00:36:35,993 I won't let you know how much farther they can go down, 725 00:36:35,993 --> 00:36:37,404 but that's pretty much where they do. 726 00:36:37,404 --> 00:36:39,897 That's where a lot of commercial 727 00:36:39,897 --> 00:36:43,000 and scientific drones operate in. 728 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,937 They're called AUVs, autonomous underwater vehicle. 729 00:36:45,937 --> 00:36:49,407 And then there's also a thing called ocean gliders, 730 00:36:49,407 --> 00:36:51,742 which are longer range 731 00:36:51,742 --> 00:36:54,812 and they are powered by buoyancy changes, 732 00:36:54,812 --> 00:36:57,782 and they kind of do a seesaw up and down 733 00:36:57,782 --> 00:37:02,453 and they can go down 1000 meters potentially. 734 00:37:02,453 --> 00:37:04,498 And so you kind of have autonomous underwater vehicles 735 00:37:04,498 --> 00:37:06,591 and submarines in the upper hundred meters 736 00:37:06,591 --> 00:37:09,660 and then these gliders can go down to 1000 meters. 737 00:37:09,660 --> 00:37:11,772 And then deep diving remotely operated vehicles can go down 738 00:37:11,772 --> 00:37:14,532 to about 6,000 meters. 739 00:37:14,532 --> 00:37:17,568 And then some of the deepest submersibles like Victor's 740 00:37:17,568 --> 00:37:21,272 and a Chinese submersible actually can go down 741 00:37:21,272 --> 00:37:23,841 to 10,000 meters or more. 742 00:37:23,841 --> 00:37:25,810 And so those are what we kind of have to sense. 743 00:37:25,810 --> 00:37:26,777 And then we have a number 744 00:37:26,777 --> 00:37:29,447 of different fixed sensors like arrays 745 00:37:29,447 --> 00:37:31,649 that can operate at any depth. 746 00:37:31,649 --> 00:37:34,352 Then the sea life you see in there, 747 00:37:34,352 --> 00:37:36,254 in the upper surface is really rich and robust 748 00:37:36,254 --> 00:37:37,622 and abundant from small plankton 749 00:37:37,622 --> 00:37:40,891 to 100-foot long blue whales 750 00:37:40,891 --> 00:37:45,029 and all sorts of pelagic fish 751 00:37:45,029 --> 00:37:48,666 and that's why that upper part is called the pelagic zone. 752 00:37:48,666 --> 00:37:52,103 And as you go down to the deepest, you kind of have the, 753 00:37:52,103 --> 00:37:54,372 you know, at the very deepest is called the Hadal zone, 754 00:37:54,372 --> 00:37:56,507 like Hades, the underworld 755 00:37:56,507 --> 00:38:00,378 and there, you still have different forms of sea life. 756 00:38:00,378 --> 00:38:02,713 Sea life exists throughout the entire water column. 757 00:38:02,713 --> 00:38:04,358 And Victor, when he was doing his deep dives, 758 00:38:04,358 --> 00:38:06,550 actually discovered some new species, 759 00:38:06,550 --> 00:38:08,362 which was terrific for us as a science agency. 760 00:38:08,362 --> 00:38:10,388 We wanted to know that 761 00:38:10,388 --> 00:38:13,424 and we continue to investigate that. 762 00:38:13,424 --> 00:38:16,560 Some of you may be saying to yourselves, okay, 763 00:38:16,560 --> 00:38:19,697 so a couple of guys have seen some strange stuff 764 00:38:19,697 --> 00:38:23,734 in or over international waters, who cares? 765 00:38:23,734 --> 00:38:27,471 Well, apparently my friend, Richard Dolan has head 766 00:38:27,471 --> 00:38:29,707 of way more than a few stories. 767 00:38:29,707 --> 00:38:33,277 A historian who meticulously educates people 768 00:38:33,277 --> 00:38:35,980 on the phenomena of USOs. 769 00:38:35,980 --> 00:38:38,316 You know, we're talking about unusual objects 770 00:38:38,316 --> 00:38:41,485 in the sky, well, that's obviously interesting, 771 00:38:41,485 --> 00:38:43,587 but when they come out of the water, 772 00:38:43,587 --> 00:38:45,289 when they go into the water, 773 00:38:45,289 --> 00:38:47,725 when they're moving in the water at speeds 774 00:38:47,725 --> 00:38:50,561 that are just not supposed to be possible, 775 00:38:50,561 --> 00:38:53,297 that's incredibly interesting and mysterious. 776 00:38:53,297 --> 00:38:54,699 I think even more mysterious 777 00:38:54,699 --> 00:38:57,802 in a lot of ways than aerial objects. 778 00:38:59,003 --> 00:39:00,971 This is a huge thing. 779 00:39:00,971 --> 00:39:04,508 I mean, we all know the earth is 70% covered by water. 780 00:39:06,043 --> 00:39:08,612 We're all mostly land lovers, let's be real about it. 781 00:39:08,612 --> 00:39:11,816 Some of us go out into the ocean, but mostly we don't. 782 00:39:11,816 --> 00:39:15,453 And what is going on out there in the depths of the ocean? 783 00:39:15,453 --> 00:39:18,089 You've got the main navies 784 00:39:18,089 --> 00:39:19,566 of the world, predominantly the United States Navy, 785 00:39:19,566 --> 00:39:21,559 which has a global presence. 786 00:39:21,559 --> 00:39:24,128 You know, they're encountering stuff. 787 00:39:24,128 --> 00:39:29,800 And I've collected a lot of US Navy USO reports, unofficial. 788 00:39:30,668 --> 00:39:33,437 And I mean, this is the problem 789 00:39:33,437 --> 00:39:35,539 with a lot of these USO cases. 790 00:39:35,539 --> 00:39:38,676 Like we really have to be fair in describing 791 00:39:38,676 --> 00:39:41,479 how difficult it is to get documentation 792 00:39:41,479 --> 00:39:43,347 on a lot of these cases, right? 793 00:39:43,347 --> 00:39:46,884 It's not like, you know, you can file a FOIA request 794 00:39:46,884 --> 00:39:51,021 and get something on other types of UFO encounters. 795 00:39:51,021 --> 00:39:53,491 There's very little FOIA activity that I've been aware of 796 00:39:53,491 --> 00:39:55,760 that deals with USO cases. 797 00:39:55,760 --> 00:40:00,664 And the definite message that comes through over 798 00:40:00,664 --> 00:40:02,133 and over again is that the secrecy 799 00:40:02,133 --> 00:40:04,835 on these is very, very severe. 800 00:40:04,835 --> 00:40:07,772 Records get taken out, they get expunged, 801 00:40:07,772 --> 00:40:09,807 log books get switched out and this type of thing. 802 00:40:09,807 --> 00:40:11,742 So there's a lot of management 803 00:40:11,742 --> 00:40:14,645 over the information with these things. 804 00:40:14,645 --> 00:40:19,083 And so, almost typically, classically, the way these stories 805 00:40:19,083 --> 00:40:24,021 will come out is an ex-Navy guy, 20, 30 years 806 00:40:24,021 --> 00:40:29,059 after the fact, will quietly talk to a researcher 807 00:40:29,593 --> 00:40:32,897 and get the story out often under anonymity. 808 00:40:32,897 --> 00:40:37,802 And even sometimes under even more than anonymity, 809 00:40:37,802 --> 00:40:38,536 he'll say, "Look, I don't even wanna tell you 810 00:40:38,536 --> 00:40:40,638 where our ship was. 811 00:40:40,638 --> 00:40:44,442 I don't wanna tell you, you know, what my rank was. 812 00:40:44,442 --> 00:40:47,144 I don't wanna tell you what we were doing." 813 00:40:47,144 --> 00:40:50,581 If something like a fast mover is reported 814 00:40:50,581 --> 00:40:54,351 on say, a submarine through sonar detection, 815 00:40:54,351 --> 00:40:56,487 do you think the first officer 816 00:40:56,487 --> 00:41:00,825 and the XO, maybe a number 817 00:41:00,825 --> 00:41:05,296 of other crewman actually would be aware 818 00:41:05,296 --> 00:41:07,431 of these types of objects? 819 00:41:07,431 --> 00:41:09,266 Yes, I do. 820 00:41:09,266 --> 00:41:12,603 In fact, the one story I've heard, and I'm not gonna get 821 00:41:12,603 --> 00:41:18,142 into too much specifics from a US submarine, it was 822 00:41:18,442 --> 00:41:22,346 everybody on the bridge was tracking it on sonar 823 00:41:22,346 --> 00:41:26,083 and so there were multiple witnesses. 824 00:41:26,083 --> 00:41:30,654 And by the way, that data, it was sent somewhere 825 00:41:30,654 --> 00:41:32,189 that looks at acoustic data. 826 00:41:32,189 --> 00:41:33,624 I'll leave it at that. 827 00:41:33,624 --> 00:41:36,260 I'll need to dig into that more 828 00:41:36,260 --> 00:41:38,295 to make sure I can go on the record 829 00:41:38,295 --> 00:41:40,731 and talk about where that goes. 830 00:41:40,731 --> 00:41:43,033 But it was sent somewhere, an authoritative source 831 00:41:43,033 --> 00:41:47,738 of acoustic data and I don't know what they've done with it, 832 00:41:47,738 --> 00:41:51,275 but I'm gonna be looking into that more as we go forward. 833 00:41:51,275 --> 00:41:53,244 Interesting. 834 00:41:53,244 --> 00:41:56,547 I suspect they have a lot more of those reports. 835 00:41:56,547 --> 00:41:58,983 And I don't have confirmation, 836 00:41:58,983 --> 00:42:04,188 but I believe this source, this data curator 837 00:42:06,624 --> 00:42:12,563 probably owns this potential fast mover program. 838 00:42:13,197 --> 00:42:15,599 Wow, okay. 839 00:42:16,567 --> 00:42:20,871 And they're a data curator within the Navy? 840 00:42:20,871 --> 00:42:22,907 No, they're not. They're a Navy partner. 841 00:42:23,374 --> 00:42:23,974 Ah. 842 00:42:23,974 --> 00:42:25,009 Kind of like the 843 00:42:25,009 --> 00:42:29,113 National Geospatial Agency is a partner, okay. 844 00:42:29,113 --> 00:42:30,915 They're, yeah. 845 00:42:30,915 --> 00:42:33,284 A little over the last year, 846 00:42:33,284 --> 00:42:35,362 in addition to all my other UFO research, I really got 847 00:42:35,362 --> 00:42:36,787 into this subject. 848 00:42:36,787 --> 00:42:42,192 And it actually started for me, I think 849 00:42:42,793 --> 00:42:46,530 in spring of 2022, one of the members of my website, 850 00:42:46,530 --> 00:42:48,365 I have a website where I've got a lot 851 00:42:48,365 --> 00:42:50,167 of very smart, active people, 852 00:42:50,167 --> 00:42:52,803 and they asked me about a particular case 853 00:42:52,803 --> 00:42:56,407 in the summer of 1945 in the Ellucian Islands, right, 854 00:42:56,407 --> 00:42:59,343 between Alaska and Siberia. 855 00:42:59,343 --> 00:43:02,112 One of the Ellucian islands is called Adak Island. 856 00:43:02,112 --> 00:43:03,847 It's very small 857 00:43:03,847 --> 00:43:08,285 and it's the western westernmost military base 858 00:43:08,285 --> 00:43:10,688 of the United States military. 859 00:43:10,688 --> 00:43:13,490 And just so happens that in the summer of '45, 860 00:43:13,490 --> 00:43:15,492 when World War II was still going 861 00:43:15,492 --> 00:43:19,396 in the Pacific Theater anyway, there was a US transport ship 862 00:43:19,396 --> 00:43:24,201 on its way back to Seattle and it was called USS Delroth. 863 00:43:24,201 --> 00:43:27,838 And it so happened that this crew apparently dealt 864 00:43:27,838 --> 00:43:31,742 with an object that came out of the water 865 00:43:31,742 --> 00:43:33,677 about a mile distance from them, 866 00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,281 estimated diameter, maybe about 200 feet diameter 867 00:43:37,281 --> 00:43:38,349 so a pretty good size. 868 00:43:39,383 --> 00:43:40,584 Came up outta the water. 869 00:43:40,584 --> 00:43:44,221 It was clearly visible against the sky. 870 00:43:44,221 --> 00:43:47,091 It was becoming dusk, but the sun was still out somewhat 871 00:43:47,091 --> 00:43:49,860 so dark silhouette comes up, straight up 872 00:43:49,860 --> 00:43:52,830 and then begins to circle 873 00:43:52,830 --> 00:43:56,634 around their ship two or three times 874 00:43:56,634 --> 00:43:58,636 so they got a good look at it 875 00:43:58,636 --> 00:44:02,172 and it then just zipped off. 876 00:44:02,172 --> 00:44:04,975 The speed of this object wasn't outstanding. 877 00:44:04,975 --> 00:44:07,211 It was about 100 miles per hour estimate, 878 00:44:07,211 --> 00:44:10,214 not super fast but the thing about it was, primary witness 879 00:44:10,214 --> 00:44:14,418 who spoke about this said it was absolutely rock steady, 880 00:44:14,418 --> 00:44:18,088 no oscillation, no change in speed. 881 00:44:18,088 --> 00:44:21,992 It had to be eerie to see something like that, you know? 882 00:44:21,992 --> 00:44:25,295 So it circled around them twice and then moved off. 883 00:44:25,295 --> 00:44:27,831 And I think it took off at a pretty good speed. 884 00:44:27,831 --> 00:44:29,867 I don't think they were sure. 885 00:44:29,867 --> 00:44:31,935 And he just saw there was some lights flashing 886 00:44:31,935 --> 00:44:34,805 as it departed and that was that. 887 00:44:34,805 --> 00:44:37,408 So that was the case that started me going 888 00:44:37,408 --> 00:44:41,011 into a deeper dive, if I may say that, into the subject. 889 00:44:42,279 --> 00:44:44,948 I did a little mini lecture on it from my website 890 00:44:44,948 --> 00:44:46,684 and then I thought, I wanna look 891 00:44:46,684 --> 00:44:47,918 at some more of these cases. 892 00:44:47,918 --> 00:44:51,288 When you were going down that road 893 00:44:51,288 --> 00:44:55,426 of investigating that phenomenon, basically USOs, 894 00:44:55,426 --> 00:44:57,327 what else did you find? 895 00:44:58,929 --> 00:45:00,707 I found that there were incidents in our Navy 896 00:45:00,707 --> 00:45:03,000 that go relatively unreported. 897 00:45:03,000 --> 00:45:07,071 1951, there were objects flying in and outta the ocean 898 00:45:07,071 --> 00:45:10,340 at a specific latitude, longitude provided 899 00:45:10,340 --> 00:45:13,744 by the Kizugawa Maru which is a Japanese freighter. 900 00:45:13,744 --> 00:45:16,046 And I looked on the map 901 00:45:16,046 --> 00:45:18,080 and guess what, it's right near the Mariana Trench. 902 00:45:19,616 --> 00:45:20,918 That's interesting. 903 00:45:20,918 --> 00:45:23,921 And based on the methodology 904 00:45:23,921 --> 00:45:27,524 that I think an alien spacecraft would have to use 905 00:45:27,524 --> 00:45:28,992 in order to traverse and be here 906 00:45:28,992 --> 00:45:32,429 and be hidden, they could be in the Mariana Trench. 907 00:45:32,429 --> 00:45:34,732 One of them, 908 00:45:34,732 --> 00:45:36,734 there was a case, several cases actually dealing 909 00:45:36,734 --> 00:45:39,002 with the US aircraft carrier, 910 00:45:39,002 --> 00:45:40,971 the USS Franklin Delano Roosevelt, the FDR. 911 00:45:42,106 --> 00:45:44,775 And that ship's got one heck 912 00:45:44,775 --> 00:45:48,278 of a history with UFOs and USOs. 913 00:45:48,278 --> 00:45:50,080 I mean, back in 1952, 914 00:45:50,080 --> 00:45:53,917 there was a NATO operation called Main Brace. 915 00:45:53,917 --> 00:45:55,285 This was in the North Sea. 916 00:45:55,285 --> 00:45:59,256 It was a naval exercise in September of 1952. 917 00:45:59,256 --> 00:46:02,392 The FDR was there, along with many other US 918 00:46:02,392 --> 00:46:04,461 and NATO navy ships. 919 00:46:04,461 --> 00:46:07,698 And this is very well documented. 920 00:46:07,698 --> 00:46:10,200 There was a large series, several days 921 00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,607 of dramatic UFO silence dealing with this whole scenario. 922 00:46:16,974 --> 00:46:19,576 The FDR was the first US aircraft carrier 923 00:46:19,576 --> 00:46:22,179 to carry nuclear weapons. 924 00:46:22,179 --> 00:46:24,615 And I don't know if that has anything to do with this, 925 00:46:24,615 --> 00:46:27,785 but that ship had many encounters with UFOs 926 00:46:27,785 --> 00:46:29,887 and USOs as far as I can tell. 927 00:46:31,155 --> 00:46:35,058 The Main Brace incident, that's a well-documented one 928 00:46:35,058 --> 00:46:37,427 but then there were others that follow. 929 00:46:37,427 --> 00:46:40,931 One that I learned about that is utterly fascinating 930 00:46:40,931 --> 00:46:44,802 to me happened in the early part of 1954, not long 931 00:46:44,802 --> 00:46:45,845 after Main Brace, about a year 932 00:46:45,845 --> 00:46:47,771 and a half later, less than that 933 00:46:47,771 --> 00:46:51,008 so January or February, 1954. 934 00:46:51,008 --> 00:46:54,244 And the gentleman who wrote about it, he wrote it 935 00:46:54,244 --> 00:46:55,813 to a couple of different sources. 936 00:46:55,813 --> 00:46:58,382 One of them is called Filers Files, George Filers. 937 00:46:58,382 --> 00:47:00,417 Taking all the reports. 938 00:47:00,417 --> 00:47:03,787 Loved George Filer and so this went there. 939 00:47:03,787 --> 00:47:07,224 And the man writes, he says, look, even now 940 00:47:07,224 --> 00:47:10,093 after all these years, I have to be careful about the safety 941 00:47:10,093 --> 00:47:12,496 of my family and my career and my life. 942 00:47:13,463 --> 00:47:15,132 I don't think he was saying 943 00:47:15,132 --> 00:47:17,568 that his life would be threatened but he was very concerned. 944 00:47:17,568 --> 00:47:20,604 So he gives some vague generalities about what he was. 945 00:47:20,604 --> 00:47:22,840 He was an officer on the FDR. 946 00:47:23,974 --> 00:47:27,177 And this is a ship that was normally stationed 947 00:47:27,177 --> 00:47:31,148 in the Mediterranean, but as, as I looked into its history, 948 00:47:31,148 --> 00:47:34,251 in January of 1954, it left the Mediterranean 949 00:47:34,251 --> 00:47:37,955 to go back to Seattle for a major refit and overhaul, 950 00:47:37,955 --> 00:47:39,923 which took several years. 951 00:47:39,923 --> 00:47:41,734 So the only time that this could have happened 952 00:47:41,734 --> 00:47:45,095 in 1954 would've been January or February. 953 00:47:45,095 --> 00:47:47,598 And it was too large to go through the Panama Canal, 954 00:47:47,598 --> 00:47:50,734 so it had to go down the Atlantic, 955 00:47:50,734 --> 00:47:53,237 down the South American coastline down 956 00:47:53,237 --> 00:47:55,005 around the tip of South America. 957 00:47:55,005 --> 00:47:56,540 Towards Antarctica? 958 00:47:56,540 --> 00:47:58,451 Yes, up the other side, the Pacific side, 959 00:47:58,451 --> 00:47:59,710 up to Seattle. 960 00:47:59,710 --> 00:48:01,945 So in a month and a half 961 00:48:01,945 --> 00:48:04,748 or so, it traveled almost, I think 20,000 miles 962 00:48:04,748 --> 00:48:05,549 or something like that. 963 00:48:05,549 --> 00:48:06,950 Wow. 964 00:48:06,950 --> 00:48:10,487 So at some point along that path, I don't know 965 00:48:10,487 --> 00:48:13,624 where the FDR according to this man encountered, 966 00:48:14,691 --> 00:48:16,793 had an unbelievable encounter. 967 00:48:16,793 --> 00:48:19,229 And what he said is, he was very technical 968 00:48:19,229 --> 00:48:21,541 and very vague at the same time, he didn't say where it was, 969 00:48:21,541 --> 00:48:24,768 but he said, now this is like a 30 minute encounter, 970 00:48:24,768 --> 00:48:28,972 he said, after about about 10 minutes 971 00:48:28,972 --> 00:48:32,409 or so, he was called to the deck by a fellow officer 972 00:48:34,311 --> 00:48:36,780 and they saw a cigar shaped object 973 00:48:36,780 --> 00:48:38,916 that he said was about 100 feet long. 974 00:48:40,117 --> 00:48:42,552 And it was not directly over the ship, 975 00:48:42,552 --> 00:48:44,221 but close to the ship. 976 00:48:44,221 --> 00:48:48,592 And he said that they tried to engage weapons 977 00:48:48,592 --> 00:48:51,328 and the weapons went offline. 978 00:48:51,328 --> 00:48:53,430 He didn't say which weapons. 979 00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:55,275 He said at the conclusion of the event, they tried 980 00:48:55,275 --> 00:49:00,103 to launch two aircraft, two fighter aircraft, they would 981 00:49:00,103 --> 00:49:02,606 not launch, they would not take off. 982 00:49:02,606 --> 00:49:06,343 In the meantime, this cigar shaped object hung around 983 00:49:06,343 --> 00:49:10,180 for a few minutes and then shot up to the sky. 984 00:49:10,881 --> 00:49:12,549 He said right after that, 985 00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:17,020 these two white circular disc objects came out 986 00:49:17,020 --> 00:49:19,523 of the water, exited the water 987 00:49:19,523 --> 00:49:22,960 and they were hanging around for a little while. 988 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:28,732 He then said that a much larger cigar shaped object, 989 00:49:29,032 --> 00:49:32,502 roughly 300 feet in diameter came into the area. 990 00:49:32,502 --> 00:49:36,640 Now when I read this account, I'm wondering this same object 991 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:40,110 that just seemed closer or not and you don't really know. 992 00:49:40,110 --> 00:49:42,512 What we know is that the first time it appeared, 993 00:49:42,512 --> 00:49:44,614 it looked like it was 100 feet in diameter. 994 00:49:44,614 --> 00:49:47,117 And then the second, nearly identical looking one, 995 00:49:47,117 --> 00:49:52,089 but was much larger, comes into view and is there. 996 00:49:52,089 --> 00:49:54,992 So you got these two little white discs, 997 00:49:54,992 --> 00:49:58,528 you got this 300 foot long cigar shaped object. 998 00:49:58,528 --> 00:50:00,931 - Massive. - Massive. 999 00:50:00,931 --> 00:50:04,067 And not as big as the FDR, but pretty big. 1000 00:50:04,067 --> 00:50:06,069 And the two disc objects 1001 00:50:06,069 --> 00:50:08,572 enter this larger cigar shaped craft. 1002 00:50:10,173 --> 00:50:13,777 The cigar shaped object then shoots up for a few minutes 1003 00:50:15,212 --> 00:50:19,349 and then comes down and enters the water 1004 00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:21,852 and that is the conclusion of this particular event. 1005 00:50:21,852 --> 00:50:24,855 Well, off Puerto Rico in the '60s, 1006 00:50:24,855 --> 00:50:27,391 and I talked about this in my talk, 1007 00:50:27,391 --> 00:50:31,695 there was a series of five submarines and some destroyers. 1008 00:50:31,695 --> 00:50:34,097 They were doing maneuvers, 1009 00:50:34,097 --> 00:50:37,034 but one of the submarines detected something 1010 00:50:37,034 --> 00:50:40,103 and it started to follow it with permission. 1011 00:50:40,103 --> 00:50:43,807 And they noticed that this object accelerated rapidly 1012 00:50:43,807 --> 00:50:46,743 to very high speeds, similar to 1013 00:50:46,743 --> 00:50:50,647 what was seen in our situation. 1014 00:50:50,647 --> 00:50:53,383 And then it actually went to great depth 1015 00:50:53,383 --> 00:50:55,986 and it came up very shallow again. 1016 00:50:55,986 --> 00:50:58,355 And it was doing that with regularity. 1017 00:50:58,355 --> 00:51:00,957 And so they ended up following it for four days 1018 00:51:00,957 --> 00:51:03,427 and it was there and they kept following it for four days 1019 00:51:03,427 --> 00:51:05,962 and they could never get any closer to it. 1020 00:51:05,962 --> 00:51:07,798 It always stayed just outta their range 1021 00:51:07,798 --> 00:51:08,732 and they tried to be closer. 1022 00:51:08,732 --> 00:51:09,842 Sometimes they'd just get closer 1023 00:51:09,842 --> 00:51:11,401 and it would go away. 1024 00:51:12,436 --> 00:51:14,604 And also the old Soviet Navy, 1025 00:51:14,604 --> 00:51:17,741 the Russian Navy Soviets, particularly 1026 00:51:17,741 --> 00:51:19,776 encountering these as well. 1027 00:51:19,776 --> 00:51:23,213 For example, there was probably the premier Soviet UFO 1028 00:51:23,213 --> 00:51:26,249 researcher was a man named Vladimir Azhazha 1029 00:51:26,249 --> 00:51:30,954 and very good, very serious research, 1960s, '70s. 1030 00:51:31,822 --> 00:51:36,927 And he was very in with the Soviet military as well 1031 00:51:37,527 --> 00:51:43,500 and spoke about how the Soviet military during the 1970s 1032 00:51:43,867 --> 00:51:47,537 and '80s had a special project 1033 00:51:47,537 --> 00:51:52,142 to investigate USOs specifically, 1034 00:51:52,142 --> 00:51:55,612 and specifically ones that were following Soviet submarines. 1035 00:51:56,379 --> 00:51:57,581 And he said, you know, 1036 00:51:57,581 --> 00:51:59,249 "At first we thought 1037 00:51:59,249 --> 00:52:00,960 these were American technology, American craft." 1038 00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:04,955 He said, "But no way, these things were way too fast." 1039 00:52:04,955 --> 00:52:07,224 They were just too incredible. 1040 00:52:07,224 --> 00:52:09,459 And he said, on one occasion 1041 00:52:10,727 --> 00:52:13,330 there was a Soviet icebreaker in the Arctic Sea, 1042 00:52:14,498 --> 00:52:15,999 all the heavy ice and everything. 1043 00:52:15,999 --> 00:52:17,968 - What year? - He didn't give a year. 1044 00:52:17,968 --> 00:52:20,103 Did not give a year. 1045 00:52:20,103 --> 00:52:22,639 And not only is that a problem with USO cases, 1046 00:52:22,639 --> 00:52:25,342 that's a big problem with Soviet UFO cases in general. 1047 00:52:25,342 --> 00:52:26,935 Because they don't talk years. 1048 00:52:28,178 --> 00:52:30,380 Well they don't because a lot of this stuff, 1049 00:52:31,781 --> 00:52:36,453 it was never officially supposed to exist. 1050 00:52:36,453 --> 00:52:39,289 So all the conversation in the Soviet years 1051 00:52:39,289 --> 00:52:42,926 on UFOs was always unofficial, very quiet. 1052 00:52:42,926 --> 00:52:44,694 And so it was only 1053 00:52:44,694 --> 00:52:48,265 when the Soviet Union broke apart 1990, '91, 1054 00:52:48,265 --> 00:52:50,100 that these stories started really coming out. 1055 00:52:50,100 --> 00:52:51,735 So by that time you got guys years 1056 00:52:51,735 --> 00:52:53,570 after the fact talking. 1057 00:52:53,570 --> 00:52:55,805 And like Paul Stonehill escaping? 1058 00:52:55,805 --> 00:52:57,841 Yes, exactly. 1059 00:52:57,841 --> 00:53:00,544 And so they don't have dates, they don't have years. 1060 00:53:00,544 --> 00:53:02,379 They've just got the stories. 1061 00:53:02,379 --> 00:53:04,948 But in this case, you have a Soviet icebreaker, 1062 00:53:04,948 --> 00:53:08,552 no, I don't know the year that's doing its job in the Arctic 1063 00:53:08,552 --> 00:53:13,190 and an object blasts through the ice. 1064 00:53:14,424 --> 00:53:17,861 And there's someone interviewing Azhazha about ths 1065 00:53:17,861 --> 00:53:20,096 and they said, "Well, could it have been a missile?" 1066 00:53:20,096 --> 00:53:23,533 He says, "No. Missile's not gonna blast through the ice." 1067 00:53:23,533 --> 00:53:27,370 And he said, besides this thing was a sphere. 1068 00:53:27,370 --> 00:53:29,739 So they had that much of a description. 1069 00:53:29,739 --> 00:53:32,676 As a Canadian, I needed to speak 1070 00:53:32,676 --> 00:53:36,313 with my fellow researcher and friend, 1071 00:53:36,313 --> 00:53:41,318 Louis Borges about the now famous Shag Harbor incident. 1072 00:53:41,585 --> 00:53:44,120 So we're out here, we're on the water. 1073 00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:48,191 And I understand you've studied quite a few 1074 00:53:48,191 --> 00:53:53,964 of the Canadian water-based UFO and USO cases. 1075 00:53:54,264 --> 00:53:55,608 Yeah, well I think the most famous one, 1076 00:53:55,608 --> 00:53:57,701 of course would be Shag Harbor. 1077 00:53:57,701 --> 00:54:00,103 And this happened off the coast 1078 00:54:00,103 --> 00:54:01,204 of Nova Scotia. 1079 00:54:01,204 --> 00:54:02,872 Correct, yeah, off the coast 1080 00:54:02,872 --> 00:54:04,817 of Shag Harbor, Nova Scotia, right on the southern tip. 1081 00:54:04,817 --> 00:54:07,844 Witness numbers were in double digits, credible people, 1082 00:54:07,844 --> 00:54:11,248 police officers, airline pilots and there's evidence. 1083 00:54:11,248 --> 00:54:13,416 There's government reports. 1084 00:54:13,416 --> 00:54:16,886 So many people in the town actually saw what happened. 1085 00:54:16,886 --> 00:54:20,590 And basically, I believe it was October 4th, 1967. 1086 00:54:20,590 --> 00:54:23,093 Residents saw lights in the sky kind 1087 00:54:23,093 --> 00:54:25,295 of not doing what an aircraft would do. 1088 00:54:25,295 --> 00:54:26,930 It was running sort of in a pattern, 1089 00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:28,632 but nothing discernible. 1090 00:54:28,632 --> 00:54:30,734 And then it appeared to sort of hover 1091 00:54:30,734 --> 00:54:33,937 over the water level, pitch to a 45 degree, 1092 00:54:33,937 --> 00:54:36,539 and then descended rapidly towards the water. 1093 00:54:36,539 --> 00:54:39,743 So first responders were the Royal Canadian Mount of Police. 1094 00:54:39,743 --> 00:54:41,678 They actually commandeered two boats 1095 00:54:41,678 --> 00:54:43,380 'cause this is a small fishing village 1096 00:54:43,380 --> 00:54:44,914 and they went out there. 1097 00:54:44,914 --> 00:54:47,150 It only happened maybe two or 300 yards off the coast 1098 00:54:47,150 --> 00:54:48,652 or off the shore. 1099 00:54:48,652 --> 00:54:49,653 They went out to have a look. 1100 00:54:49,653 --> 00:54:52,689 By then the craft had disappeared 1101 00:54:52,689 --> 00:54:55,625 but there was a residue of like a yellow foam almost. 1102 00:54:55,625 --> 00:54:57,394 Yeah, just on top. 1103 00:54:57,394 --> 00:55:00,130 Yeah, like a sulfuric smell. 1104 00:55:00,130 --> 00:55:03,366 So some witnesses said that they saw the craft on the water. 1105 00:55:03,366 --> 00:55:05,135 It was almost like a glowing dome of light 1106 00:55:05,135 --> 00:55:06,770 for a period of time. 1107 00:55:06,770 --> 00:55:09,005 It didn't make any noise or anything like that. 1108 00:55:09,005 --> 00:55:11,875 Subsequently, there were searches done the next day. 1109 00:55:11,875 --> 00:55:14,577 In fact, even the Air Force, the strategic air command 1110 00:55:14,577 --> 00:55:17,681 did a grid search of it, navy divers did a search. 1111 00:55:17,681 --> 00:55:20,116 And some of these navy divers even spoke years 1112 00:55:20,116 --> 00:55:21,651 after the fact 1113 00:55:21,651 --> 00:55:23,953 and said that, yeah, they saw craft underwater 1114 00:55:23,953 --> 00:55:26,756 and they even saw what looked like a second craft. 1115 00:55:26,756 --> 00:55:32,462 But this also was, you know, fully surveilled 1116 00:55:32,696 --> 00:55:35,265 and investigated by the American Navy 1117 00:55:35,265 --> 00:55:37,100 and the American Air Force. 1118 00:55:37,100 --> 00:55:39,436 You were saying that, 1119 00:55:39,436 --> 00:55:41,871 so can you give some context to some people like 1120 00:55:41,871 --> 00:55:44,808 why that's significant? 1121 00:55:44,808 --> 00:55:46,576 Well, I mean this is Cold War era too. 1122 00:55:46,576 --> 00:55:48,878 And in the world of NATO, Canada 1123 00:55:48,878 --> 00:55:50,923 and the United States have a very close relationship. 1124 00:55:50,923 --> 00:55:53,516 There was a US base not far away from this. 1125 00:55:53,516 --> 00:55:55,352 It was on Canadian ground, 1126 00:55:55,352 --> 00:55:57,020 but it was manned by the Americans. 1127 00:55:57,020 --> 00:55:58,488 So whether they thought 1128 00:55:58,488 --> 00:56:01,858 this was Cold War related spy submarine, who knows? 1129 00:56:01,858 --> 00:56:05,128 But essentially that's where all the alert came from, right? 1130 00:56:05,128 --> 00:56:06,796 And this is a small town. 1131 00:56:06,796 --> 00:56:09,232 Fishermen are known to be very honest people. 1132 00:56:09,232 --> 00:56:10,276 It's not very often they're gonna 1133 00:56:10,276 --> 00:56:12,602 make something up like this. 1134 00:56:12,602 --> 00:56:15,805 And in fact, nobody even reported, quote unquote a UFO. 1135 00:56:15,805 --> 00:56:17,607 Many people thought it was a crashed airplane 1136 00:56:17,607 --> 00:56:19,776 or some other type of lights. 1137 00:56:19,776 --> 00:56:21,754 It was only when the locals were speaking with the police 1138 00:56:21,754 --> 00:56:24,214 that responded that they kind of hung that UFO tag 1139 00:56:24,214 --> 00:56:25,725 and said, yeah, we think it's something 1140 00:56:25,725 --> 00:56:28,284 from outer space, further adding to that allure 1141 00:56:28,284 --> 00:56:30,019 of what the heck happened, right? 1142 00:56:30,019 --> 00:56:31,888 So that was Shag Harbor. 1143 00:56:31,888 --> 00:56:36,593 And from what I hear, in terms of people 1144 00:56:36,593 --> 00:56:39,396 that have investigated this story 1145 00:56:39,396 --> 00:56:44,134 of a ocean-based UFO sighting, am I correct 1146 00:56:44,134 --> 00:56:49,339 in assuming that there was a dive rescue team sent 1147 00:56:49,339 --> 00:56:51,708 after this craft? 1148 00:56:51,708 --> 00:56:53,610 That's right. There was a dive rescue team. 1149 00:56:53,610 --> 00:56:55,044 Some of them reported to see 1150 00:56:55,044 --> 00:56:58,615 what looked like almost arc welding underwater. 1151 00:56:58,615 --> 00:57:00,526 I don't know if that was some kind of a repair, who knows. 1152 00:57:00,526 --> 00:57:03,052 But the craziest thing, even more 1153 00:57:03,052 --> 00:57:05,789 so than that, was the divers reported they saw non-human 1154 00:57:05,789 --> 00:57:08,725 intelligence in the water, you know, 1155 00:57:08,725 --> 00:57:11,461 in the shape of beings, non-human beings. 1156 00:57:11,461 --> 00:57:12,796 Very interesting. 1157 00:57:12,796 --> 00:57:15,131 And so the Navy divers were a bit spooked 1158 00:57:15,131 --> 00:57:16,132 when they came up from the ocean. 1159 00:57:16,132 --> 00:57:17,700 Sure. 1160 00:57:17,700 --> 00:57:19,302 And think about it, these guys are used 1161 00:57:19,302 --> 00:57:21,204 to pulling up dead bodies sometimes. 1162 00:57:21,204 --> 00:57:24,808 I mean, being a navy diver can be not such a nice thing. 1163 00:57:24,808 --> 00:57:26,743 So they're conditioned, they're seasoned, 1164 00:57:26,743 --> 00:57:28,678 they're not faint of heart kind of people 1165 00:57:28,678 --> 00:57:31,047 and so for these people to be rattled based 1166 00:57:31,047 --> 00:57:34,884 on what they saw, that kind of speaks to the uniqueness 1167 00:57:34,884 --> 00:57:36,719 of it and the severity of, you know, 1168 00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:38,988 what is actually going on. 1169 00:57:38,988 --> 00:57:41,424 And so this case that happened in 1960, 1170 00:57:41,424 --> 00:57:43,927 how did that go down? 1171 00:57:43,927 --> 00:57:46,396 So as far as I know, it was roughly the same thing. 1172 00:57:46,396 --> 00:57:47,907 There's not a lot of documentation on it. 1173 00:57:47,907 --> 00:57:49,732 It's called the Shelburne incident. 1174 00:57:49,732 --> 00:57:51,801 But essentially it was from the work 1175 00:57:51,801 --> 00:57:54,504 of a Canadian ufologist named Chris Styles 1176 00:57:54,504 --> 00:57:57,006 who really did a lot of work on Shag Harbor. 1177 00:57:57,006 --> 00:58:00,009 And then while interviewing people about that event, 1178 00:58:00,009 --> 00:58:02,445 when he asked them like, what year was this? 1179 00:58:02,445 --> 00:58:04,314 Their mind was a little foggy at first, 1180 00:58:04,314 --> 00:58:06,616 but they clearly knew it was before '67. 1181 00:58:06,616 --> 00:58:09,252 So this was a separate incident, again 1182 00:58:09,252 --> 00:58:12,121 with very, very similar effects 1183 00:58:12,121 --> 00:58:15,425 and similar witness testimony and all the rest. 1184 00:58:15,425 --> 00:58:18,127 On October the 12th, 1960, 1185 00:58:18,127 --> 00:58:19,963 seven years before Shag Harbor 1186 00:58:21,598 --> 00:58:24,901 and eight Canadian warships under Canadian command. 1187 00:58:24,901 --> 00:58:29,405 It was a NATO mission and two USOs on the bottom. 1188 00:58:29,405 --> 00:58:32,675 And you know, I had the ship's logs and that 1189 00:58:32,675 --> 00:58:36,379 and it's a genuine case and you know, 1190 00:58:36,379 --> 00:58:39,449 there was some minor recovery of some of the debris in it. 1191 00:58:39,449 --> 00:58:41,818 There was a confrontation. 1192 00:58:41,818 --> 00:58:43,987 And here's the real controversial part. 1193 00:58:43,987 --> 00:58:47,023 The book's just been released, is that, believe it 1194 00:58:47,023 --> 00:58:48,691 or not, something that's supposedly 1195 00:58:48,691 --> 00:58:50,760 has never happened in history, 1196 00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:52,662 I proved it's happened. 1197 00:58:52,662 --> 00:58:55,598 We went to DEFCON 1 over the incident 1198 00:58:55,598 --> 00:58:57,500 and there's no doubt about it. 1199 00:58:57,500 --> 00:59:00,069 I have the ship's log from HMCS Cape Scott. 1200 00:59:00,069 --> 00:59:04,107 The terrible irony of this, my father served 1201 00:59:04,107 --> 00:59:05,375 on the mission, I had no idea. 1202 00:59:05,375 --> 00:59:07,477 He took it to the grave. 1203 00:59:07,477 --> 00:59:10,113 But the DEFCON 1 thing was really weird 1204 00:59:10,113 --> 00:59:13,016 'cause you know, if you look it up on Wikipedia 1205 00:59:13,016 --> 00:59:15,652 or of course something more scholarly than that, 1206 00:59:15,652 --> 00:59:17,954 they would say no, you know, the system has never gone 1207 00:59:17,954 --> 00:59:19,122 to DEFCON 1. 1208 00:59:19,122 --> 00:59:20,757 Well, that is not true. 1209 00:59:21,824 --> 00:59:25,128 It did over the Shelburne incident. 1210 00:59:25,128 --> 00:59:27,997 While it was encountering the aliens, what happened next? 1211 00:59:27,997 --> 00:59:30,867 I actually don't know, I don't have all the answers. 1212 00:59:30,867 --> 00:59:33,937 But it took me 29 years to come up with this. 1213 00:59:33,937 --> 00:59:36,539 Like all with Shag Harbor, I never stopped looking 1214 00:59:36,539 --> 00:59:40,410 and I don't have it all yet. 1215 00:59:40,410 --> 00:59:41,520 You know, as the book ends, it says, 1216 00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,079 if you think you smell a sequel, 1217 00:59:43,079 --> 00:59:46,049 that will depend on the further research results. 1218 00:59:46,049 --> 00:59:49,185 What we do know is that when they got there 1219 00:59:49,185 --> 00:59:53,356 and they went down, you know, when the divers, you know, 1220 00:59:53,356 --> 00:59:56,726 when they describe at the start of the mission, you know, 1221 00:59:56,726 --> 00:59:59,963 we were this far into going through a dog lake course 1222 00:59:59,963 --> 01:00:02,765 of minesweepers and that like on this exercise 1223 01:00:02,765 --> 01:00:05,335 and then they encountered them, right? 1224 01:00:05,335 --> 01:00:08,571 And, you know, they very quickly hauled the divers 1225 01:00:08,571 --> 01:00:13,443 to the surface and the ship declares DEFCON 1. 1226 01:00:14,177 --> 01:00:16,913 The Cape Scott was the command vessel of the mission 1227 01:00:16,913 --> 01:00:19,382 'cause we were in Canadian waters, just about two 1228 01:00:19,382 --> 01:00:21,184 or three nautical miles off 1229 01:00:21,184 --> 01:00:25,254 of McNutts Island at the entrance to Shelburne Harbor. 1230 01:00:26,889 --> 01:00:29,692 I have another blood red orange ball sphere story 1231 01:00:29,692 --> 01:00:31,794 from another US aircraft carrier. 1232 01:00:31,794 --> 01:00:34,464 The USS John F. Kennedy. 1233 01:00:34,464 --> 01:00:38,101 And this one, we have an exact date for, July 2nd, 1971. 1234 01:00:39,068 --> 01:00:44,574 And this was from another member aboard the ship 1235 01:00:45,108 --> 01:00:47,377 who writes in after the fact. 1236 01:00:48,811 --> 01:00:49,888 You know, I looked into the history 1237 01:00:49,888 --> 01:00:51,648 of the USS John F. Kennedy 1238 01:00:51,648 --> 01:00:53,950 and this event is not listed there 1239 01:00:53,950 --> 01:00:55,918 that I'm about to tell you, 1240 01:00:55,918 --> 01:00:58,554 but I believe it definitely happened. 1241 01:00:58,554 --> 01:01:01,891 He described that the ship had been in the Caribbean doing 1242 01:01:01,891 --> 01:01:06,763 what are called car quals, carrier qualification exercises. 1243 01:01:06,763 --> 01:01:09,732 And this is a standard thing that you get on carriers 1244 01:01:09,732 --> 01:01:12,568 where they test the pilots, you know, 1245 01:01:12,568 --> 01:01:15,271 how like react, you know, your take off time 1246 01:01:15,271 --> 01:01:16,782 and all of the things that you had to do 1247 01:01:16,782 --> 01:01:19,575 to be like good, like "Top Gun" type stuff 1248 01:01:19,575 --> 01:01:21,878 and so that's car quals. 1249 01:01:21,878 --> 01:01:23,880 So they were doing that in the Caribbean. 1250 01:01:24,714 --> 01:01:26,716 And they were then done with that. 1251 01:01:26,716 --> 01:01:27,650 They had successfully completed it. 1252 01:01:27,650 --> 01:01:30,119 They had just completed it. 1253 01:01:30,119 --> 01:01:33,890 They go up through the Caribbean between, I'm thinking 1254 01:01:33,890 --> 01:01:37,226 between Dominican Republic and Cuba. 1255 01:01:37,226 --> 01:01:39,962 I think through there, through Haiti, 1256 01:01:39,962 --> 01:01:42,965 and they're now in the Bermuda Triangle. 1257 01:01:42,965 --> 01:01:44,901 They're just into the Bermuda Triangle. 1258 01:01:49,772 --> 01:01:51,841 This guy who wrote in, was in charge 1259 01:01:51,841 --> 01:01:54,777 of all the communications on the ship 1260 01:01:54,777 --> 01:01:56,021 and he described them in a lot of details. 1261 01:01:56,021 --> 01:02:04,045 So they had four communication signal devices 1262 01:02:04,045 --> 01:02:06,989 for receiving, four for sending out 1263 01:02:06,989 --> 01:02:08,958 and there were other ship to ship type systems. 1264 01:02:08,958 --> 01:02:11,427 1971 was a very sophisticated comm system 1265 01:02:11,427 --> 01:02:13,096 that he was operating. 1266 01:02:13,096 --> 01:02:16,099 He said suddenly all the communication 1267 01:02:16,099 --> 01:02:20,436 started typing gibberish, nonsensical information. 1268 01:02:20,436 --> 01:02:22,171 And he's like, what the heck? 1269 01:02:22,171 --> 01:02:27,777 And then everything was just nonsensical. 1270 01:02:28,111 --> 01:02:31,881 And then he's on the intercom and said he 1271 01:02:31,881 --> 01:02:35,752 and a fellow crew mate are hearing someone 1272 01:02:35,752 --> 01:02:39,655 screaming on the intercom, 1273 01:02:39,655 --> 01:02:43,960 "It's God, it's the end of the world." 1274 01:02:45,762 --> 01:02:48,397 So like, okay, what's happening here? 1275 01:02:48,397 --> 01:02:53,636 And then they hear again over the intercom, 1276 01:02:53,636 --> 01:02:56,072 something is hovering over the ship. 1277 01:02:56,906 --> 01:03:00,042 So at this point, he gets outside 1278 01:03:00,042 --> 01:03:02,945 to look physically to see what this is. 1279 01:03:02,945 --> 01:03:06,015 And he said, "Me and the guy I was with, 1280 01:03:06,015 --> 01:03:10,820 we see this blood red orange sphere 1281 01:03:11,854 --> 01:03:13,856 basically right over our ship." 1282 01:03:14,857 --> 01:03:16,826 That this thing which had shut 1283 01:03:16,826 --> 01:03:18,528 down all their communications. 1284 01:03:18,528 --> 01:03:22,999 This is a US aircraft carrier. This is heavy duty. 1285 01:03:22,999 --> 01:03:24,042 Billions of dollars going into this thing. 1286 01:03:24,042 --> 01:03:26,736 This is the leading edge 1287 01:03:26,736 --> 01:03:30,406 of the United States defense system. 1288 01:03:30,406 --> 01:03:31,917 I mean, what's more important than the aircraft carriers, 1289 01:03:31,917 --> 01:03:34,844 especially in like 1971? 1290 01:03:34,844 --> 01:03:36,479 They got nukes, they got aircraft. 1291 01:03:36,479 --> 01:03:39,982 This is their forward projection of power around the world. 1292 01:03:39,982 --> 01:03:43,252 You don't mess with a United States aircraft carrier 1293 01:03:43,252 --> 01:03:44,897 but this thing completely disabled their communication. 1294 01:03:44,897 --> 01:03:46,556 In fact, they wanted, 1295 01:03:46,556 --> 01:03:48,024 just like in the case of the FDR 1296 01:03:48,024 --> 01:03:50,960 from the 1950s, they attempted 1297 01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:55,565 to launch two F-4 phantom fighter jets, would not launch. 1298 01:03:55,565 --> 01:03:58,401 Dunno why, but they would not. Nothing worked. 1299 01:03:58,401 --> 01:04:02,738 He was able to see this thing for about 20 seconds, he said 1300 01:04:02,738 --> 01:04:05,608 and then the ship went to general quarters battle stations. 1301 01:04:05,608 --> 01:04:07,777 So he'd go back to his comm center 1302 01:04:07,777 --> 01:04:10,213 and so he didn't get to see it more any longer. 1303 01:04:10,213 --> 01:04:13,416 The ship was on battle stations for one hour, 1304 01:04:13,416 --> 01:04:18,387 and during which time he said, no communications went in 1305 01:04:18,387 --> 01:04:20,189 or out of the carrier. 1306 01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:23,292 That should mean that's just extraordinary. 1307 01:04:23,292 --> 01:04:25,995 You're on general quarters battle stations 1308 01:04:25,995 --> 01:04:31,200 with this thing over your ship in the ocean 1309 01:04:31,667 --> 01:04:33,336 and you can't even communicate. 1310 01:04:33,336 --> 01:04:35,271 They will enter and exit the water 1311 01:04:35,271 --> 01:04:37,640 without even water dripping from them, 1312 01:04:37,640 --> 01:04:39,108 without making a big splash 1313 01:04:39,108 --> 01:04:41,510 but other times they do. 1314 01:04:41,510 --> 01:04:44,413 The USO researcher, Carl Feindt actually had a lot 1315 01:04:44,413 --> 01:04:46,382 of theories about this. 1316 01:04:46,382 --> 01:04:49,185 And he believed that 1317 01:04:49,185 --> 01:04:53,823 when the craft is generating its field, we'll just leave it 1318 01:04:53,823 --> 01:04:56,759 at that, it will cost a certain amount 1319 01:04:56,759 --> 01:04:58,494 of displacement of the water around it, 1320 01:04:58,494 --> 01:05:02,832 which will mitigate a lot of this splashing effect. 1321 01:05:02,832 --> 01:05:04,967 You know, there are a lot of USO cases 1322 01:05:04,967 --> 01:05:06,903 where the object is under the water 1323 01:05:06,903 --> 01:05:08,780 and you'll see a bubbling of the water above it. 1324 01:05:08,780 --> 01:05:10,406 And it's like this field 1325 01:05:10,406 --> 01:05:11,917 of this thing is pushing this water off. 1326 01:05:11,917 --> 01:05:12,909 I've had experiences I can't explain. 1327 01:05:12,909 --> 01:05:14,343 I've had encounters 1328 01:05:14,343 --> 01:05:16,979 that I know are probably not of the earth 1329 01:05:16,979 --> 01:05:19,916 but what do you do? 1330 01:05:19,916 --> 01:05:24,020 How do you work those into your daily life? 1331 01:05:24,020 --> 01:05:25,964 You try to find the science that could explain them. 1332 01:05:25,964 --> 01:05:29,392 That's for me, and I think I have. 1333 01:05:29,392 --> 01:05:31,827 I just don't think we can do it yet, but we're on the cusp. 1334 01:05:31,827 --> 01:05:33,496 We actually have done technologies 1335 01:05:33,496 --> 01:05:36,599 that are leading to this and from separate angles. 1336 01:05:38,167 --> 01:05:40,870 Yep, you're talking about the propulsion system 1337 01:05:40,870 --> 01:05:43,539 and I think you said like the gravitons. 1338 01:05:43,539 --> 01:05:45,308 Graviton, that's right. 1339 01:05:45,308 --> 01:05:48,210 The KK, the Kaluza-Klein particle. 1340 01:05:48,210 --> 01:05:51,113 If you look up Kaluza-Klein, and the next word is CERN. 1341 01:05:51,113 --> 01:05:53,449 You're gonna get all these papers 1342 01:05:53,449 --> 01:05:57,019 that CERN has put out about the Kaluza-Klein particle, 1343 01:05:57,019 --> 01:05:59,689 and they're building on an accelerator just 1344 01:05:59,689 --> 01:06:01,657 to investigate, well, in part, 1345 01:06:01,657 --> 01:06:04,393 to investigate these KK particles. 1346 01:06:04,393 --> 01:06:05,895 So we're getting there. 1347 01:06:05,895 --> 01:06:07,272 On the other end, we've got Lawrence Livermore, 1348 01:06:07,272 --> 01:06:08,931 totally separate organization. 1349 01:06:08,931 --> 01:06:13,903 It's now retained the single most sought 1350 01:06:14,136 --> 01:06:17,340 after holy grail of fusion 1351 01:06:17,340 --> 01:06:20,076 and that's to create a stable, sustainable reaction. 1352 01:06:20,076 --> 01:06:21,711 They did that with fusion. 1353 01:06:21,711 --> 01:06:24,580 Now it's not exactly sustainable. 1354 01:06:24,580 --> 01:06:26,916 They had to put an energy 1355 01:06:26,916 --> 01:06:29,952 and arguably more energy than they got out. 1356 01:06:29,952 --> 01:06:34,857 However, it was a major breakthrough. 1357 01:06:35,491 --> 01:06:40,997 So those Kaluza-Klein particles, you have to create, right? 1358 01:06:41,530 --> 01:06:44,333 And I think UFOs are round because they're accelerators. 1359 01:06:46,235 --> 01:06:48,537 Seems straightforward, you know. 1360 01:06:48,537 --> 01:06:50,248 And the triangular ones are also accelerators 1361 01:06:50,248 --> 01:06:52,074 with the ring inside. 1362 01:06:52,074 --> 01:06:55,244 So I think that they figured out 1363 01:06:55,244 --> 01:06:57,480 how to make the micro black holes to surround the ship 1364 01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:00,449 and actually punch out of our four dimensions 1365 01:07:00,449 --> 01:07:02,818 and punch in wherever they want. 1366 01:07:02,818 --> 01:07:06,155 And if you do it successively, you can go on a straight line 1367 01:07:06,155 --> 01:07:09,358 or you can go zigzag, okay? 1368 01:07:09,358 --> 01:07:11,127 You can do anything you want. 1369 01:07:11,127 --> 01:07:14,430 So what we're not used to is the fact 1370 01:07:14,430 --> 01:07:17,266 that they're doing this punch in, punch out so rapidly, 1371 01:07:18,401 --> 01:07:20,970 but they're not feeling anything. 1372 01:07:20,970 --> 01:07:23,439 To them, the scenery just changes instantly. 1373 01:07:24,740 --> 01:07:28,444 They don't know and they're not subject to water r air. 1374 01:07:28,444 --> 01:07:30,055 So when it looks like they're moving thousands 1375 01:07:30,055 --> 01:07:32,982 of miles an hour through the air, 1376 01:07:32,982 --> 01:07:36,185 well they really aren't moving through the air, 1377 01:07:36,185 --> 01:07:37,729 they're appearing at various points close 1378 01:07:37,729 --> 01:07:39,088 to each other in the air. 1379 01:07:40,056 --> 01:07:41,624 So they're punching out 1380 01:07:41,624 --> 01:07:44,393 and then punching in, punching out and punching in. 1381 01:07:44,393 --> 01:07:47,063 And so they're the best cartographers in the universe 1382 01:07:47,063 --> 01:07:48,936 'cause they know all the exit and entry points. 1383 01:07:50,066 --> 01:07:51,867 We're seeing that the stuff 1384 01:07:51,867 --> 01:07:54,403 that they're reporting are all things 1385 01:07:54,403 --> 01:07:57,473 that are within the realm of the KK world we talked about, 1386 01:07:57,473 --> 01:08:00,042 the Kaluza-Klein particle world, 1387 01:08:00,042 --> 01:08:02,878 the Kaluza-Klein methodology for propulsion. 1388 01:08:02,878 --> 01:08:05,548 It's all well within that realm. 1389 01:08:05,548 --> 01:08:10,453 And a spacecraft that's at 80,000 feet up here, 1390 01:08:10,820 --> 01:08:12,822 and it comes down to the deck, 1391 01:08:12,822 --> 01:08:15,458 is it actually traveling 80,000 feet? 1392 01:08:15,458 --> 01:08:17,827 My contention is that it's not. 1393 01:08:17,827 --> 01:08:20,162 It's actually punching out up here- 1394 01:08:20,162 --> 01:08:21,797 - Punching in. - And punching in 1395 01:08:21,797 --> 01:08:23,933 at lower levels, okay? 1396 01:08:23,933 --> 01:08:25,801 And maybe if you see it here, 1397 01:08:25,801 --> 01:08:27,136 and then see it here, 1398 01:08:27,136 --> 01:08:27,903 then see it here, and then see it here 1399 01:08:27,903 --> 01:08:29,138 and then finally here. 1400 01:08:29,138 --> 01:08:32,675 On your radar, you're gonna see a path 1401 01:08:32,675 --> 01:08:34,710 and you're gonna say, look, what from here to here 1402 01:08:34,710 --> 01:08:39,748 in a quarter of a second or second and a half. 1403 01:08:39,748 --> 01:08:42,685 And then you'll do a calculation for its speed 1404 01:08:42,685 --> 01:08:44,620 and come up with some outrageous speed. 1405 01:08:45,955 --> 01:08:48,324 But it's not traveling at any speed. 1406 01:08:48,991 --> 01:08:51,193 It's not moving at any speed at all. 1407 01:08:51,193 --> 01:08:53,696 The occupants don't even feel it. 1408 01:08:53,696 --> 01:08:56,765 And similarly, when the object comes down 1409 01:08:56,765 --> 01:09:00,302 to the water, it will create like a well. 1410 01:09:00,302 --> 01:09:02,404 - And separate the water? - Yes. 1411 01:09:02,404 --> 01:09:04,974 Like part the sea like Moses. 1412 01:09:04,974 --> 01:09:06,809 Yes, actually, yes. Kind of like that. 1413 01:09:08,177 --> 01:09:09,845 In fact, there was one case 1414 01:09:09,845 --> 01:09:11,547 where you can really see this effect. 1415 01:09:13,115 --> 01:09:15,484 I can just bounce around. - Yeah, go for it. 1416 01:09:15,484 --> 01:09:20,422 From 1974 in the country of Togo, so that's West Africa. 1417 01:09:21,023 --> 01:09:22,467 But you know, Africa goes all the way down 1418 01:09:22,467 --> 01:09:25,227 and it's got this big hump. 1419 01:09:25,227 --> 01:09:26,962 So on the southern part of that hump 1420 01:09:26,962 --> 01:09:30,299 of West Africa, the nation of Togo, this little thin strip 1421 01:09:30,299 --> 01:09:32,201 and it's got a little bit of coastline there, 1422 01:09:32,201 --> 01:09:34,236 but it's got some coastline. 1423 01:09:34,236 --> 01:09:37,773 So in 1974, there was a French tourist, 1424 01:09:37,773 --> 01:09:40,976 and he's apparently having a nice romantic evening 1425 01:09:40,976 --> 01:09:44,013 with a local woman of Togo. 1426 01:09:44,013 --> 01:09:45,590 It's late at night, they're on the beach. 1427 01:09:45,590 --> 01:09:47,183 The French are like that. 1428 01:09:47,183 --> 01:09:50,386 Absolutely and so they're having their time, 1429 01:09:50,386 --> 01:09:53,155 but an object comes in from the water. 1430 01:09:53,155 --> 01:09:55,925 The object created a dip in the water, they said. 1431 01:09:57,026 --> 01:09:58,294 Again, this is something 1432 01:09:58,294 --> 01:09:59,538 that Carl Feindt was quite interested in, 1433 01:09:59,538 --> 01:10:01,864 but creates this dip in the water 1434 01:10:01,864 --> 01:10:04,166 and it actually caused a kind of mini tidal wave 1435 01:10:04,166 --> 01:10:05,401 to come at them. 1436 01:10:05,401 --> 01:10:07,336 It displaced enough water 1437 01:10:07,336 --> 01:10:09,939 that the water just came right at them. 1438 01:10:09,939 --> 01:10:13,309 And he said, we had to grab onto one of the trees. 1439 01:10:13,309 --> 01:10:14,577 Wow. 1440 01:10:14,577 --> 01:10:15,578 It was actually that intense. 1441 01:10:15,578 --> 01:10:18,480 This object stayed in the area 1442 01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:21,450 for quite a while, I think more than 10 minutes 1443 01:10:21,450 --> 01:10:23,652 and it then departed, 1444 01:10:23,652 --> 01:10:25,354 but it scared the living hell out of them. 1445 01:10:25,354 --> 01:10:27,189 I can imagine. - Undoubtedly. 1446 01:10:27,189 --> 01:10:28,190 We have a very well documented case 1447 01:10:28,190 --> 01:10:29,959 from the United States Coast Guard 1448 01:10:29,959 --> 01:10:36,665 from March 4th, 1988 on Lake Erie. 1449 01:10:37,466 --> 01:10:40,636 And this was interesting. 1450 01:10:40,636 --> 01:10:42,771 You had eyewitnesses along the lake there. 1451 01:10:42,771 --> 01:10:47,009 In Ohio, there's a nuclear facility there. 1452 01:10:47,009 --> 01:10:49,578 I think it's the Perry Nuclear Plant. 1453 01:10:49,578 --> 01:10:52,548 And so there were witnesses 1454 01:10:52,548 --> 01:10:55,084 that were seeing this unusual light phenomenon 1455 01:10:55,084 --> 01:10:56,585 over the lake. 1456 01:10:58,354 --> 01:10:59,722 This got written up in newspapers 1457 01:10:59,722 --> 01:11:00,899 and there was an official Coast Guard document 1458 01:11:00,899 --> 01:11:02,758 describing this all. 1459 01:11:02,758 --> 01:11:07,363 But anyway, this one family is very interested 1460 01:11:07,363 --> 01:11:09,732 and they're watching this at the lake. 1461 01:11:10,899 --> 01:11:13,269 They end up calling a number of places. 1462 01:11:13,269 --> 01:11:14,803 They end up getting the Coast Guard. 1463 01:11:14,803 --> 01:11:17,806 Coast Guard sends two Coast Guard personnel 1464 01:11:17,806 --> 01:11:20,175 who are witnessing this with the family 1465 01:11:20,175 --> 01:11:21,110 and they write up a report. 1466 01:11:21,110 --> 01:11:22,411 So what they're seeing is 1467 01:11:22,411 --> 01:11:25,948 over this frozen lake, it's still very cold, 1468 01:11:25,948 --> 01:11:33,155 this object, this big object is like sitting 1469 01:11:33,155 --> 01:11:37,126 on the frozen lake and they're hearing this cracking sound 1470 01:11:37,126 --> 01:11:39,695 and all this crazy stuff going on. 1471 01:11:39,695 --> 01:11:41,563 It's just blowing their minds. 1472 01:11:41,563 --> 01:11:45,000 And out of this big, huge object comes 1473 01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:49,838 at one point a number of smaller objects zipping around. 1474 01:11:50,673 --> 01:11:52,675 And in fact, one man photographed these objects. 1475 01:11:52,675 --> 01:11:55,944 They were like these little triangular lights. 1476 01:11:56,545 --> 01:11:59,481 And I have a photograph. 1477 01:12:00,749 --> 01:12:03,385 It's been out there. 1478 01:12:03,385 --> 01:12:07,323 And so they're zipping around the area. 1479 01:12:07,323 --> 01:12:09,758 The objects eventually go back into the craft. 1480 01:12:10,592 --> 01:12:15,831 And it gets dark, the action ends, 1481 01:12:16,398 --> 01:12:18,934 the Coast Guard guys write up their report. 1482 01:12:18,934 --> 01:12:20,903 And one of the things that came out of this, 1483 01:12:20,903 --> 01:12:25,808 that this object the next morning was not visible, 1484 01:12:26,575 --> 01:12:29,044 but the area where it had been was all, 1485 01:12:29,044 --> 01:12:31,647 that area was melted. 1486 01:12:31,647 --> 01:12:34,550 And the belief is that it went into the lake, 1487 01:12:34,550 --> 01:12:37,353 went into the water, which there's quite a few 1488 01:12:37,353 --> 01:12:38,830 of these cases where these objects are going 1489 01:12:38,830 --> 01:12:42,324 into not just oceans, but large lakes 1490 01:12:42,324 --> 01:12:43,959 and sometimes even small bodies of water. 1491 01:12:43,959 --> 01:12:47,196 But in this case, the Lake Erie incident, March 4th, 1988. 1492 01:12:47,196 --> 01:12:50,199 This was very well reported. 1493 01:12:50,199 --> 01:12:53,969 And we do have this one United States Coast Guard document 1494 01:12:53,969 --> 01:12:56,905 that does describe the event in a fair amount of detail. 1495 01:12:59,541 --> 01:13:02,678 You got it on the wrong thing. 1496 01:13:02,678 --> 01:13:07,483 - Oh my God. This is awesome. - People wanna take a look. 1497 01:13:07,883 --> 01:13:10,486 I got it. That's a UFO, no shit. 1498 01:13:23,732 --> 01:13:24,743 You wanna look at this one, 1499 01:13:24,743 --> 01:13:25,534 look through there for a minute? 1500 01:13:25,534 --> 01:13:27,936 - Yeah. - Here. 1501 01:13:27,936 --> 01:13:31,073 Here, here, here, here. Holy fuck, it's coming close. 1502 01:13:31,073 --> 01:13:32,841 Good picture, Kevin. 1503 01:13:33,776 --> 01:13:35,444 - Okay. - Are you filming? 1504 01:13:44,153 --> 01:13:47,790 Describing it like a 40 foot long Tic-Tac 1505 01:13:47,790 --> 01:13:50,926 maneuvering rapidly and changing direction. 1506 01:13:50,926 --> 01:13:52,437 As we both looked out the right side 1507 01:13:52,437 --> 01:13:55,364 of our airplane, we saw a disturbance in the water 1508 01:13:55,364 --> 01:13:58,400 and a white object oblong pointing north. 1509 01:13:58,400 --> 01:14:00,803 The object was first cited in 2004. 1510 01:14:00,803 --> 01:14:04,206 Then similar objects, again in 2015. 1511 01:14:04,206 --> 01:14:06,375 Footage of the sightings declassified 1512 01:14:06,375 --> 01:14:08,744 by the military weren't made public 1513 01:14:08,744 --> 01:14:12,147 until December, 2017 by the New York Times 1514 01:14:12,147 --> 01:14:14,550 and a group that researches UFOs. 1515 01:14:14,550 --> 01:14:16,218 Yeah, the Tic-Tac case. 1516 01:14:16,218 --> 01:14:17,719 There are certain details 1517 01:14:17,719 --> 01:14:19,388 that we still don't have about it. 1518 01:14:19,388 --> 01:14:21,757 It's a great case on many levels in terms 1519 01:14:21,757 --> 01:14:25,060 of the amount of information we have, the date, 1520 01:14:25,060 --> 01:14:29,064 the exact locations pretty well, you know, understood now. 1521 01:14:29,064 --> 01:14:31,600 November 14th, 2004. 1522 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,536 And many, many witnesses have come out. 1523 01:14:34,536 --> 01:14:37,439 So it's been discussed. 1524 01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,375 We kind of know this thing happened. 1525 01:14:40,375 --> 01:14:42,611 Too much witness testimony here to ignore, 1526 01:14:42,611 --> 01:14:45,514 but there are still some disputes. 1527 01:14:45,514 --> 01:14:47,850 So what was below the water? 1528 01:14:47,850 --> 01:14:52,421 You've got Fravor's team, two Super Hornets vectored in. 1529 01:14:52,654 --> 01:14:55,757 As we know, he sees it first. 1530 01:14:55,757 --> 01:14:58,393 He goes down, he sees this white Tic-Tac object 1531 01:14:58,393 --> 01:15:00,996 about 40 feet in length. 1532 01:15:00,996 --> 01:15:03,799 It's above the water. 1533 01:15:03,799 --> 01:15:05,901 And in fact, you know, as he's described it, 1534 01:15:05,901 --> 01:15:08,003 he said, well, I didn't know if it was on the water 1535 01:15:08,003 --> 01:15:10,839 or above the water, the water was frothing. 1536 01:15:10,839 --> 01:15:12,207 But I think the implication of 1537 01:15:12,207 --> 01:15:14,009 that was just above the water. 1538 01:15:14,009 --> 01:15:17,746 But then, yes, there's this statement 1539 01:15:17,746 --> 01:15:20,849 of something else below the Tic-Tac 1540 01:15:20,849 --> 01:15:25,420 and much larger from what appears to be the case. 1541 01:15:26,121 --> 01:15:30,259 What the heck was that? Well, that's interesting indeed. 1542 01:15:32,094 --> 01:15:34,730 You know, Fravor comes down to engage the Tic-Tac. 1543 01:15:34,730 --> 01:15:37,566 And as he said, many times people have reported many times, 1544 01:15:37,566 --> 01:15:39,234 that he's circling like this 1545 01:15:39,234 --> 01:15:40,669 and the Tic-Tac's circling 1546 01:15:40,669 --> 01:15:43,238 in an opposite direction toward him. 1547 01:15:44,439 --> 01:15:47,676 And then the Tic-Tac just goes off like this. 1548 01:15:47,676 --> 01:15:51,580 He said he had a perfect field of vision, 1549 01:15:51,580 --> 01:15:54,049 minimum 10 miles, easy, 1550 01:15:54,049 --> 01:15:56,818 but he said realistically, almost close to 50 miles. 1551 01:15:56,818 --> 01:15:58,596 And he said within two seconds that thing was out of sight. 1552 01:15:58,596 --> 01:16:00,689 Like he could not see it. 1553 01:16:00,689 --> 01:16:03,525 And if you take even the conservative estimate 1554 01:16:03,525 --> 01:16:06,662 of his vision, 10 miles, he's still talking probably 1555 01:16:06,662 --> 01:16:11,033 over 10,000 miles per hour saying, just gone. 1556 01:16:11,033 --> 01:16:13,502 It's just instant like that so it's incredible. 1557 01:16:13,502 --> 01:16:16,204 But the underwater object, 1558 01:16:16,204 --> 01:16:18,607 there's not a whole lot that's discussed about this. 1559 01:16:18,607 --> 01:16:19,942 Like, what would this thing do? 1560 01:16:19,942 --> 01:16:21,452 I'm gonna take a guess that it just went 1561 01:16:21,452 --> 01:16:24,079 below and just took off. 1562 01:16:24,079 --> 01:16:27,983 And these things can move fast, real fast under the water. 1563 01:16:27,983 --> 01:16:31,753 So, you know, one could even just based 1564 01:16:31,753 --> 01:16:33,989 on the story and how everybody focuses 1565 01:16:33,989 --> 01:16:38,994 on the object, the Tic-Tac that was in the air, you know, 1566 01:16:38,994 --> 01:16:44,232 and the media, let's say, or UFO investigators focus 1567 01:16:44,232 --> 01:16:46,868 on that, but also the pilots. 1568 01:16:46,868 --> 01:16:49,771 So you can almost say that mission accomplished, 1569 01:16:49,771 --> 01:16:52,207 whatever the Tic-Tac's mission might've been was, 1570 01:16:52,207 --> 01:16:55,644 okay, now I've gotta take the attention off of what's here. 1571 01:16:55,644 --> 01:16:58,580 I'm gonna go up in the air confuse 1572 01:16:58,580 --> 01:17:00,949 and distract the pilots and then shoot off. 1573 01:17:00,949 --> 01:17:02,918 Okay. That's a heck of a theory. 1574 01:17:02,918 --> 01:17:04,987 That's a really interesting idea. 1575 01:17:04,987 --> 01:17:05,854 Right? 1576 01:17:05,854 --> 01:17:06,898 I hadn't thought of that 1577 01:17:06,898 --> 01:17:08,924 but I think what, what you're 1578 01:17:08,924 --> 01:17:11,660 at least suggesting here makes a lot of sense. 1579 01:17:11,660 --> 01:17:15,530 There's this major USO object under the water, 1580 01:17:15,530 --> 01:17:18,166 and you got the Tic-Tac. 1581 01:17:18,166 --> 01:17:20,502 That's like the distract, that's like, you know, 1582 01:17:20,502 --> 01:17:22,447 when you have the dog racing, they're chasing the bunny? 1583 01:17:22,447 --> 01:17:24,339 Yeah. It's like, hey guys. 1584 01:17:24,339 --> 01:17:25,683 That's what the Tic-Tac was. Just go after that. 1585 01:17:25,683 --> 01:17:27,142 Yeah. 1586 01:17:43,191 --> 01:17:46,862 It was very similar to what Jeremy publicized 1587 01:17:46,862 --> 01:17:50,699 from 2019 and 2020, like the drone swarm. 1588 01:17:50,699 --> 01:17:53,001 And I don't have it in front of me, I'm gonna have 1589 01:17:53,001 --> 01:17:54,670 to give you this information, 1590 01:17:54,670 --> 01:17:56,905 but it's, I think from about 2007, 1591 01:17:56,905 --> 01:17:59,741 and it was written into, I think it was written 1592 01:17:59,741 --> 01:18:02,377 into George Filer's Filer's File website. 1593 01:18:02,377 --> 01:18:06,915 And he's describing their activity 1594 01:18:06,915 --> 01:18:09,051 off the southern California coast, 1595 01:18:09,051 --> 01:18:10,986 off the coast of San Diego. 1596 01:18:10,986 --> 01:18:13,955 It's very similar to what you we're currently getting. 1597 01:18:13,955 --> 01:18:17,426 And he just said, late at night, "We had a swarm 1598 01:18:17,426 --> 01:18:20,996 of objects over our ship. 1599 01:18:20,996 --> 01:18:22,674 We were completely unable to deal with this." 1600 01:18:22,674 --> 01:18:25,333 He said, "They came in 1601 01:18:25,333 --> 01:18:27,636 and they did all of these incredible maneuvers. 1602 01:18:27,636 --> 01:18:29,638 Like one was almost like a check mark maneuver, 1603 01:18:29,638 --> 01:18:33,608 like a sharp angle maneuver over the ship. 1604 01:18:33,608 --> 01:18:35,610 We were absolutely helpless." 1605 01:18:35,610 --> 01:18:36,888 He said, I spoke to the commander 1606 01:18:36,888 --> 01:18:39,314 or the captain who said to me 1607 01:18:39,314 --> 01:18:43,618 at that time, my computer system was not working. 1608 01:18:43,618 --> 01:18:45,754 It stopped working. 1609 01:18:45,754 --> 01:18:50,325 And this guy just wrote anonymously 1610 01:18:50,325 --> 01:18:52,928 to George Filer's website at that time. 1611 01:18:52,928 --> 01:18:57,365 It's a 2007 case and I'm gonna give you visuals 1612 01:18:57,365 --> 01:18:59,000 that he could, 1613 01:18:59,000 --> 01:19:00,936 I'll give it to you. it's good. 1614 01:19:06,475 --> 01:19:08,777 It's important to remember 1615 01:19:08,777 --> 01:19:12,347 these objects have mastery in navigating our atmosphere 1616 01:19:12,347 --> 01:19:15,417 as well as our oceans. 1617 01:19:15,417 --> 01:19:19,921 My next stop was with friends Anthony Esemplare 1618 01:19:19,921 --> 01:19:23,692 and Andy Marcial to discuss their involvement 1619 01:19:23,692 --> 01:19:28,630 with researching recently recorded UFO videos 1620 01:19:28,630 --> 01:19:32,334 from the Department of Homeland Security. 1621 01:19:35,170 --> 01:19:36,705 Andy. Welcome, good to have you here. 1622 01:19:36,705 --> 01:19:38,116 Thanks for meeting up. - Thank you. No problem. 1623 01:19:38,116 --> 01:19:41,409 So what got you started with the whole UAP phenomenon 1624 01:19:41,409 --> 01:19:43,378 and New York UAP discussion? 1625 01:19:43,378 --> 01:19:45,747 I'm anxious to know. 1626 01:19:45,747 --> 01:19:47,592 Well, it all started with a personal experience 1627 01:19:47,592 --> 01:19:48,917 of mine when I was younger. 1628 01:19:50,118 --> 01:19:54,122 And basically what happened with me kind of gote 1629 01:19:54,122 --> 01:19:56,234 to dive into the subject to try and figure out exactly 1630 01:19:56,234 --> 01:19:58,894 what it was that I saw, what I experienced. 1631 01:19:58,894 --> 01:20:01,363 And eventually throughout the years, 1632 01:20:01,363 --> 01:20:03,165 I started getting a little frustrated 1633 01:20:03,165 --> 01:20:05,433 with all the misinformation that was being put out there 1634 01:20:05,433 --> 01:20:08,637 and decided to do something about it and created my page 1635 01:20:08,637 --> 01:20:11,306 and that's basically where it all started from after that. 1636 01:20:11,306 --> 01:20:14,075 And what are your thoughts on the USO situation? 1637 01:20:14,075 --> 01:20:16,144 I mean, I film here nightly 1638 01:20:16,144 --> 01:20:17,722 and it's almost every night you catch something 1639 01:20:17,722 --> 01:20:20,182 that you can't explain. 1640 01:20:20,182 --> 01:20:23,185 And I'm using data that shows you tracking 1641 01:20:23,185 --> 01:20:26,521 for satellites, tracking for unmanned aerial vehicles, 1642 01:20:26,521 --> 01:20:29,925 the International Space Station, Elon Musk projects. 1643 01:20:29,925 --> 01:20:31,760 And it's none of the above 1644 01:20:31,760 --> 01:20:34,095 when I searched some of these crafts. 1645 01:20:34,095 --> 01:20:36,198 So it's either top secret covert military projects, 1646 01:20:36,198 --> 01:20:39,568 or it's extraterrestrial in origin. 1647 01:20:39,568 --> 01:20:41,036 What are your thoughts? 1648 01:20:41,036 --> 01:20:42,880 Well, from research, I know that this is something 1649 01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,373 that goes back thousands of years, you know, 1650 01:20:45,373 --> 01:20:48,276 so it's not like anything could just be attributed 1651 01:20:48,276 --> 01:20:49,854 to Russia or China, you know what I mean? 1652 01:20:49,854 --> 01:20:51,179 Like, you have to, 1653 01:20:51,179 --> 01:20:53,081 if you're gonna research this, you have 1654 01:20:53,081 --> 01:20:55,483 to research it correctly and go back to the beginning. 1655 01:20:55,483 --> 01:20:57,552 You can't just cherry pick 1656 01:20:57,552 --> 01:20:59,754 and decide to, oh, I wanna start from here. 1657 01:20:59,754 --> 01:21:01,199 No, you gotta go back to the beginning. 1658 01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:03,058 So there are things up there that, 1659 01:21:03,058 --> 01:21:06,328 you know, we've been seeing for thousands of years 1660 01:21:06,328 --> 01:21:10,866 that, you know, we attributed to religion, you know, 1661 01:21:10,866 --> 01:21:12,376 in the past and we attributed to things 1662 01:21:12,376 --> 01:21:14,936 that, you know, we just didn't understand 1663 01:21:14,936 --> 01:21:17,305 and we're still seeing them to this day. 1664 01:21:17,305 --> 01:21:18,749 We're just getting a little more understanding 1665 01:21:18,749 --> 01:21:20,375 and we're starting to see 1666 01:21:20,375 --> 01:21:22,811 that, you know, this is a phenomenon 1667 01:21:22,811 --> 01:21:25,080 that's been around now for quite some time. 1668 01:21:25,080 --> 01:21:28,216 And I feel like we just need 1669 01:21:28,216 --> 01:21:31,019 to start taking it a little more serious 1670 01:21:31,019 --> 01:21:32,854 to get a real understanding of what it is 1671 01:21:32,854 --> 01:21:34,923 that we're dealing with, basically. 1672 01:21:34,923 --> 01:21:38,226 And by the way, there's a lot of USO cases 1673 01:21:38,226 --> 01:21:44,599 of these perfect, like orange red spheres, perfect. 1674 01:21:44,866 --> 01:21:47,802 I think one of the earliest great ones 1675 01:21:47,802 --> 01:21:51,306 that I came across was from 1825. 1676 01:21:51,506 --> 01:21:52,908 Wow. 1677 01:21:52,908 --> 01:21:54,485 In the Pacific, not off the coast of Hawaii, 1678 01:21:54,485 --> 01:21:55,443 but out in the ocean. 1679 01:21:55,443 --> 01:21:56,711 It's a British ship. 1680 01:21:56,711 --> 01:22:00,448 Think of the old, you know, wooden ships with the sails. 1681 01:22:02,450 --> 01:22:03,952 A Man-of-war or something. 1682 01:22:03,952 --> 01:22:06,087 Yeah, it's a British ship 1683 01:22:06,087 --> 01:22:09,891 and aboard this ship was a naturalist named Andrew Bloxam. 1684 01:22:09,891 --> 01:22:10,792 Gotta always have those, right? 1685 01:22:10,792 --> 01:22:12,327 Yes. 1686 01:22:12,327 --> 01:22:13,261 Darwin, whatever. 1687 01:22:13,261 --> 01:22:14,629 Absolutely. That's right. 1688 01:22:14,629 --> 01:22:16,698 Master and commander, they had their naturalist. 1689 01:22:16,698 --> 01:22:18,767 So this was a naturalist, 1825. 1690 01:22:18,767 --> 01:22:22,170 And in fact, we have the data. 1691 01:22:22,170 --> 01:22:23,738 I can probably get it to you. 1692 01:22:23,738 --> 01:22:27,275 If you wanna look at it, I've got it on my computer here. 1693 01:22:27,275 --> 01:22:33,348 But he said, 3:30 a.m., we're in August of 1825. 1694 01:22:33,615 --> 01:22:34,816 So imagine it's 3:30 a.m., 1695 01:22:34,816 --> 01:22:37,752 you're in the ship in the Pacific. 1696 01:22:37,752 --> 01:22:39,955 It's gotta be just black all around. 1697 01:22:39,955 --> 01:22:41,289 Are you getting me? 1698 01:22:41,289 --> 01:22:43,825 I don't know what the moon was on that night. 1699 01:22:43,825 --> 01:22:44,936 So maybe there might have been a little bit moonlight, 1700 01:22:44,936 --> 01:22:47,629 but not much going on there. 1701 01:22:47,629 --> 01:22:52,300 And he said, out of nowhere, the watch reported this 1702 01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:55,003 bright orange red object. 1703 01:22:55,003 --> 01:22:58,340 He said the color of a cannon shot 1704 01:22:59,207 --> 01:23:02,410 so like an orangey red type thing comes up out 1705 01:23:02,410 --> 01:23:07,682 of the water and actually came up outta the water, 1706 01:23:09,050 --> 01:23:14,055 went down into the water, came up a second time, 1707 01:23:15,256 --> 01:23:17,125 and then went down into the water again. 1708 01:23:17,125 --> 01:23:19,694 He said it was so bright you could have picked 1709 01:23:19,694 --> 01:23:22,630 up a pin off the floor of the deck. 1710 01:23:22,630 --> 01:23:24,966 Wow. So the mini sun. 1711 01:23:24,966 --> 01:23:27,535 Yes, it was. He said it was extremely bright. 1712 01:23:27,535 --> 01:23:32,474 And so when I read that report, that's one 1713 01:23:32,474 --> 01:23:36,011 of the earliest really excellent USO reports 1714 01:23:36,011 --> 01:23:39,047 that when I read it, I think, I believe this 1715 01:23:39,047 --> 01:23:41,783 because his description is very, very factual. 1716 01:23:43,618 --> 01:23:47,122 He's not trying to connect this to prodigies in the sky 1717 01:23:47,122 --> 01:23:49,824 and signs, which is what you get in the ancient times. 1718 01:23:49,824 --> 01:23:51,693 Right. Spirits. 1719 01:23:51,693 --> 01:23:54,562 Yeah and like this means that, 1720 01:23:54,562 --> 01:23:56,131 and that kind of thing was very common 1721 01:23:56,131 --> 01:23:59,100 with ancient UFO sightings. 1722 01:23:59,100 --> 01:24:00,277 And we don't really know what those most 1723 01:24:00,277 --> 01:24:02,070 of those things were, frankly. 1724 01:24:02,070 --> 01:24:05,607 But in this case, I think Bloxam was very specific. 1725 01:24:05,607 --> 01:24:07,375 He was very technical, very, 1726 01:24:07,375 --> 01:24:09,044 I would almost say scientific about it. 1727 01:24:09,044 --> 01:24:11,613 - Matter of fact. - Matter of fact, exactly. 1728 01:24:11,613 --> 01:24:16,751 But it's this blood red orangy ball, this sphere. 1729 01:24:16,751 --> 01:24:18,629 I'm sure you've come to draw your own conclusions. 1730 01:24:18,629 --> 01:24:20,422 I know I have. 1731 01:24:20,422 --> 01:24:22,090 Why do you think that the water is 1732 01:24:22,090 --> 01:24:24,292 so important to these crafts? 1733 01:24:24,292 --> 01:24:28,463 What's it about our oceans that attract them to it? 1734 01:24:28,463 --> 01:24:35,103 Personally, I believe that they reside in our oceans. 1735 01:24:35,370 --> 01:24:37,038 I believe that they have bases 1736 01:24:37,038 --> 01:24:39,641 or underground facilities that, I mean, 1737 01:24:39,641 --> 01:24:42,544 if you're trying to stay away from us, 1738 01:24:42,544 --> 01:24:45,046 but also stay on this planet, then the best place to go to 1739 01:24:45,046 --> 01:24:47,382 where they're not gonna interfere with us 1740 01:24:47,382 --> 01:24:48,659 or we're not gonna interfere with them, would be the oceans 1741 01:24:48,659 --> 01:24:50,718 'cause we still, even today 1742 01:24:50,718 --> 01:24:51,962 in 2023, we don't have the technology like that 1743 01:24:51,962 --> 01:24:55,390 to traverse the waters. 1744 01:24:55,390 --> 01:24:57,468 In any real, like, meaningful way, it still takes us forever 1745 01:24:57,468 --> 01:24:59,627 to do anything in the water. 1746 01:24:59,627 --> 01:25:01,763 So that's a perfect location to be in if you're trying 1747 01:25:01,763 --> 01:25:05,033 to keep a specific distance or a certain distance from us. 1748 01:25:05,033 --> 01:25:09,537 And I feel that they call the ocean their home, 1749 01:25:09,537 --> 01:25:11,539 or at least whatever species is 1750 01:25:11,539 --> 01:25:13,475 down there, calls it their home. 1751 01:25:13,475 --> 01:25:16,811 Do you feel at some point, maybe marine biologists 1752 01:25:16,811 --> 01:25:19,347 or oceanographers, they're gonna actually spot something 1753 01:25:19,347 --> 01:25:22,417 under the water at some time and we're gonna be led 1754 01:25:22,417 --> 01:25:24,419 to find out that there really is an actual base 1755 01:25:24,419 --> 01:25:26,988 under the water not too far off? 1756 01:25:26,988 --> 01:25:28,490 Well, that's happened already. 1757 01:25:28,490 --> 01:25:30,859 As a matter of fact, I've seen video 1758 01:25:30,859 --> 01:25:35,430 of, I believe it's Discovery Channel, I believet was, 1759 01:25:35,964 --> 01:25:39,300 underwater photographers that spoke about these things. 1760 01:25:39,300 --> 01:25:42,137 And shortly after they made these mentions, 1761 01:25:42,137 --> 01:25:44,105 the videos were removed. 1762 01:25:44,105 --> 01:25:46,040 And I found that kind of interesting 1763 01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:47,675 because he specifically stated 1764 01:25:47,675 --> 01:25:49,844 that the creatures he had come into contact with, 1765 01:25:49,844 --> 01:25:51,579 or the things they had come 1766 01:25:51,579 --> 01:25:56,017 into contact with were almost like, 1767 01:25:56,818 --> 01:25:59,787 they weren't anything from this planet. 1768 01:25:59,787 --> 01:26:02,590 It seemed more like it came from elsewhere 1769 01:26:02,590 --> 01:26:04,392 and it showed like a level of intelligence. 1770 01:26:04,392 --> 01:26:06,728 And I found that interesting. 1771 01:26:06,728 --> 01:26:10,131 But there's tons of stories, there's tons of accounts 1772 01:26:10,131 --> 01:26:13,001 of things that have been seen in the oceans 1773 01:26:13,001 --> 01:26:17,405 that you can't attribute it with, you know, normal biology. 1774 01:26:17,405 --> 01:26:19,474 Like it's definitely something that's down there 1775 01:26:19,474 --> 01:26:23,111 that, you know, is, I don't know 1776 01:26:23,111 --> 01:26:26,381 how else you could say it is, it's not part of us. 1777 01:26:26,381 --> 01:26:27,515 You know what I mean? 1778 01:26:27,515 --> 01:26:29,284 Like it's either came from somewhere 1779 01:26:29,284 --> 01:26:30,685 or has been here longer than us 1780 01:26:30,685 --> 01:26:32,429 and it just wants to keep its distance from us. 1781 01:26:32,429 --> 01:26:34,222 Extraterrestrial in origin, yeah. 1782 01:26:34,222 --> 01:26:37,458 You know, I wonder what kind of technology they're using 1783 01:26:37,458 --> 01:26:40,562 'cause they definitely cloaking the craft in some way 1784 01:26:40,562 --> 01:26:45,066 because I've watched very vibrant, brilliant lit orb craft 1785 01:26:45,066 --> 01:26:48,903 a couple thousand feet in the atmosphere, fly over, hit it 1786 01:26:48,903 --> 01:26:50,481 with a laser point, and all of a sudden it starts 1787 01:26:50,481 --> 01:26:52,674 to fade out and just disappear. 1788 01:26:52,674 --> 01:26:54,142 Matter of fact, year and a half ago, 1789 01:26:54,142 --> 01:26:56,044 I filmed an orange object 1790 01:26:56,044 --> 01:26:59,414 over the ocean right here by Fort Earle Naval Station. 1791 01:26:59,414 --> 01:27:02,116 The only strange thing was three hours prior, 1792 01:27:02,116 --> 01:27:05,286 SpaceX had a launch, three hours prior in Florida. 1793 01:27:05,286 --> 01:27:07,155 Now we were in New York. 1794 01:27:07,155 --> 01:27:08,799 You couldn't see Florida if you wanted to, 1795 01:27:08,799 --> 01:27:12,093 or a SpaceX launch from Florida if you wanted to. 1796 01:27:12,093 --> 01:27:13,928 And I have no idea what this orange craft was 1797 01:27:13,928 --> 01:27:15,296 that went up in the sky. 1798 01:27:15,296 --> 01:27:17,799 It had the characteristics of a launch, 1799 01:27:17,799 --> 01:27:19,834 but it kind of looked like that cone shape 1800 01:27:19,834 --> 01:27:23,271 with the bowl on top but it just sat there silently. 1801 01:27:23,271 --> 01:27:26,608 And the strangest part about the whole thing was 1802 01:27:26,608 --> 01:27:28,085 without night vision, you couldn't physically see it 1803 01:27:28,085 --> 01:27:29,877 with the naked eye. 1804 01:27:30,845 --> 01:27:32,914 It was not observable to the human eye. 1805 01:27:32,914 --> 01:27:34,425 But once you put the night vision on it, it was there 1806 01:27:34,425 --> 01:27:36,284 and it just sat in the sky 1807 01:27:36,284 --> 01:27:38,419 and you actually see these little orbs releasing 1808 01:27:38,419 --> 01:27:40,255 from it into the water. 1809 01:27:40,255 --> 01:27:41,789 No sound, no, nothing, 1810 01:27:41,789 --> 01:27:43,334 it was the strangest thing I ever seen. 1811 01:27:43,334 --> 01:27:44,959 But like I was saying, 1812 01:27:44,959 --> 01:27:47,662 being that Fort Earle Naval Station's right there, 1813 01:27:47,662 --> 01:27:51,633 could the military be maybe testing craft 1814 01:27:51,633 --> 01:27:53,868 that they've retrieved, crash retrieval craft 1815 01:27:53,868 --> 01:27:55,713 and putting them up and testing them at the base 1816 01:27:55,713 --> 01:27:57,705 and then dropping them back down cloaked 1817 01:27:57,705 --> 01:27:58,916 so we don't really see what's going on? 1818 01:27:58,916 --> 01:28:02,443 We're only getting a glimpse into that world. 1819 01:28:02,443 --> 01:28:05,246 I mean yeah, especially now with all the information 1820 01:28:05,246 --> 01:28:08,349 that's been coming out with whistleblowers. 1821 01:28:08,349 --> 01:28:12,253 And if you go back, you know, researching old documents 1822 01:28:12,253 --> 01:28:16,124 with, you know, CIA and all the information 1823 01:28:16,124 --> 01:28:21,195 that has leaked in the sense, quote unquote, it shows you 1824 01:28:21,496 --> 01:28:23,898 that they've been reverse engineering this stuff. 1825 01:28:23,898 --> 01:28:26,134 I mean, going back to the times of Hitler. 1826 01:28:26,134 --> 01:28:28,803 We all know that Hitler was very much interested into this 1827 01:28:28,803 --> 01:28:32,974 and now also with the whole 1933 Italy incident 1828 01:28:32,974 --> 01:28:36,077 that now that's been found to have been, you know, true. 1829 01:28:36,077 --> 01:28:39,180 It did happen. A craft did crash there. 1830 01:28:39,180 --> 01:28:42,984 So if that was documented then, 1831 01:28:42,984 --> 01:28:46,788 and Hitler was interested in researching anti-gravity, 1832 01:28:46,788 --> 01:28:49,791 and then after the war, we enacted Project Paperclip 1833 01:28:49,791 --> 01:28:52,260 to get these scientists to come over. 1834 01:28:52,260 --> 01:28:54,729 I mean, there's no doubt in my mind 1835 01:28:54,729 --> 01:28:57,799 that we've already accomplished that. 1836 01:28:57,799 --> 01:29:00,268 We've already created that technology 1837 01:29:00,268 --> 01:29:02,103 and more than likely have perfected it 1838 01:29:02,103 --> 01:29:04,972 and testing it in various different ways 1839 01:29:04,972 --> 01:29:07,975 but it still doesn't explain the other sightings 1840 01:29:07,975 --> 01:29:10,211 that just have no explanation. 1841 01:29:10,211 --> 01:29:11,546 You know what I'm saying? - Sure. 1842 01:29:11,546 --> 01:29:13,748 Like things that you just can't attribute to military 1843 01:29:13,748 --> 01:29:15,817 because it's been happening for far longer 1844 01:29:15,817 --> 01:29:18,019 than military has had that access to that technology. 1845 01:29:19,754 --> 01:29:21,823 I do not know what that is. 1846 01:29:24,325 --> 01:29:26,427 What? 1847 01:29:27,795 --> 01:29:30,832 I do not know what this anomaly is. 1848 01:29:31,599 --> 01:29:34,469 Unbelievable. It is just there. 1849 01:29:34,469 --> 01:29:35,937 So let me ask you this. 1850 01:29:35,937 --> 01:29:37,581 I'm an experience in myself, had an encounter back 1851 01:29:37,581 --> 01:29:40,074 in 1993, changed my life. 1852 01:29:40,074 --> 01:29:42,844 But since Congress has come forward 1853 01:29:42,844 --> 01:29:44,488 and our naval aviators are coming forward now 1854 01:29:44,488 --> 01:29:46,481 with information plus all the 1855 01:29:46,481 --> 01:29:48,249 whistleblower testimony that's coming. 1856 01:29:48,249 --> 01:29:49,560 In a couple weeks, we're gonna have 1857 01:29:49,560 --> 01:29:51,786 more whistleblower testimony coming. 1858 01:29:51,786 --> 01:29:54,455 Do you feel somewhat vindicated now in your research? 1859 01:29:55,256 --> 01:29:56,824 It's funny you mentioned 1993, 1860 01:29:56,824 --> 01:29:59,127 because that's when I had my close encounter. 1861 01:29:59,127 --> 01:30:00,061 - Really? - In Long Island. Yes. 1862 01:30:00,061 --> 01:30:01,162 - Wow. - Believe it or not. 1863 01:30:01,162 --> 01:30:02,864 So that's interesting. 1864 01:30:02,864 --> 01:30:05,600 But yeah, with everything going on, absolutely. 1865 01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,603 It's huge vindication because for 1866 01:30:08,603 --> 01:30:10,972 how many years have they been calling us kooks 1867 01:30:10,972 --> 01:30:13,708 and tinfoil high wearing, you know, weirdos. 1868 01:30:13,708 --> 01:30:16,711 And didn't even like, like fear saying it 1869 01:30:16,711 --> 01:30:19,680 in public, you know, ridiculing us 1870 01:30:19,680 --> 01:30:20,681 and now they come forward and talk about it 1871 01:30:20,681 --> 01:30:22,350 and admit it like it's nothing. 1872 01:30:22,350 --> 01:30:24,118 It's like, really? 1873 01:30:24,118 --> 01:30:28,089 So yeah, it's vindication and also it gets you angry 1874 01:30:28,089 --> 01:30:30,792 because it's like, you know, you guys have been lying 1875 01:30:30,792 --> 01:30:33,728 to us and you knew you were lying to us. 1876 01:30:33,728 --> 01:30:36,063 And now you're coming forward this way 1877 01:30:36,063 --> 01:30:38,099 and not even an apology to everybody that you, 1878 01:30:38,099 --> 01:30:41,102 lives you ruined and you know, the ridicule 1879 01:30:41,102 --> 01:30:43,271 that you've made people go through and experience. 1880 01:30:43,271 --> 01:30:45,106 So yeah, it's- 1881 01:30:45,106 --> 01:30:47,642 Nevermind the friendship's lost, the family's members 1882 01:30:47,642 --> 01:30:48,943 telling you that you're crazy 1883 01:30:48,943 --> 01:30:50,354 and you don't know what you're talking about. 1884 01:30:50,354 --> 01:30:51,779 - Lives lost. - Inside, you know, 1885 01:30:51,779 --> 01:30:54,449 the whole time, I know what I seen. 1886 01:30:54,449 --> 01:30:56,984 I know it was not, you know, from this world. 1887 01:30:56,984 --> 01:30:59,187 I know I'm right and one day I'm gonna be vindicated. 1888 01:30:59,187 --> 01:31:02,857 And here we are today in 2023, we're about to be vindicated. 1889 01:31:02,857 --> 01:31:04,926 I mean, these are dynamite times. 1890 01:31:04,926 --> 01:31:07,628 Talk a little bit about the rubber duck footage 1891 01:31:07,628 --> 01:31:09,530 that you had captured that time 1892 01:31:09,530 --> 01:31:11,732 'cause that was pretty fascinating. 1893 01:31:11,732 --> 01:31:13,768 I mean, if you want I have, we could go 1894 01:31:13,768 --> 01:31:15,436 and see the videos themselves 1895 01:31:15,436 --> 01:31:17,070 and we could talk about them if you want. 1896 01:31:26,013 --> 01:31:28,616 - Hey man, how are you? - Good, man. 1897 01:31:28,616 --> 01:31:30,327 - Thanks for coming back. - No problem, man. 1898 01:31:30,327 --> 01:31:32,053 Let's talk about your videos. 1899 01:31:33,221 --> 01:31:39,894 Let's chat about your experience with this UAP footage 1900 01:31:39,894 --> 01:31:43,064 that's become pretty famous recently. 1901 01:31:43,064 --> 01:31:45,132 Infamous. 1902 01:31:45,132 --> 01:31:47,635 Hey, some people can call infamous, right? 1903 01:31:47,635 --> 01:31:52,540 But I'm sure you've got a bit of emotion attached to it 1904 01:31:52,540 --> 01:31:55,409 because of the fact that you went through an ordeal 1905 01:31:55,409 --> 01:31:57,144 with releasing it, right? 1906 01:31:57,144 --> 01:31:58,646 Yeah. 1907 01:31:58,646 --> 01:32:01,782 So how did you come 1908 01:32:01,782 --> 01:32:06,254 across this rubber duck UAP video? 1909 01:32:08,022 --> 01:32:10,758 Well, it was actually through my Instagram channel. 1910 01:32:10,758 --> 01:32:14,595 I was reached out by an individual 1911 01:32:14,595 --> 01:32:19,000 who originally had taken cell phone footage 1912 01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:21,936 from his computer screen at his office. 1913 01:32:21,936 --> 01:32:25,640 And basically, you know, reached out 1914 01:32:25,640 --> 01:32:26,984 and told me, "I think, you know, I have something 1915 01:32:26,984 --> 01:32:29,277 I think you're gonna find very interesting." 1916 01:32:29,277 --> 01:32:30,354 And he was like, "Take a look at this 1917 01:32:30,354 --> 01:32:31,946 and tell me what you think." 1918 01:32:31,946 --> 01:32:36,784 So I opened it up and I instantly realized 1919 01:32:36,784 --> 01:32:40,955 that, you know, okay, well, I'm seeing something legitimate. 1920 01:32:40,955 --> 01:32:43,000 Like I already know the layout of FLIR and everything 1921 01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:45,068 so I'm like, all right, this is new, this is interesting 1922 01:32:45,068 --> 01:32:48,062 'cause the first video that he sent me was the A-10. 1923 01:32:48,062 --> 01:32:49,964 I'm not sure if you've seen that one, 1924 01:32:49,964 --> 01:32:52,833 but it's the A-10 Warthog where it shows an object comg in 1925 01:32:52,833 --> 01:32:55,703 to view and actually following the A-10. 1926 01:32:55,703 --> 01:33:00,641 And once I saw that, I got very interested 1927 01:33:00,641 --> 01:33:02,944 and told him, you know, what is this? 1928 01:33:02,944 --> 01:33:04,412 Who are you? 1929 01:33:04,412 --> 01:33:06,614 And asked him all sorts of questions trying 1930 01:33:06,614 --> 01:33:08,249 to verify who this individual was 1931 01:33:08,249 --> 01:33:09,617 and how he got this footage. 1932 01:33:09,617 --> 01:33:13,788 And he told me he was a border patrol agent. 1933 01:33:13,788 --> 01:33:16,524 And that, you know, this footage has been 1934 01:33:16,524 --> 01:33:18,225 in their possession now for a long time 1935 01:33:18,225 --> 01:33:20,061 and it's been in a folder 1936 01:33:20,061 --> 01:33:22,763 where they keep all these anomalous objects 1937 01:33:22,763 --> 01:33:24,632 and nobody, you know, could explain 1938 01:33:24,632 --> 01:33:26,701 or understand what it was. 1939 01:33:26,701 --> 01:33:28,669 And they would kind of just show it, you know, 1940 01:33:28,669 --> 01:33:30,237 to people in the office to try 1941 01:33:30,237 --> 01:33:32,473 and get their, you know, reactions to what it could be 1942 01:33:32,473 --> 01:33:34,809 or, you know, try and get an understanding 1943 01:33:34,809 --> 01:33:37,945 of what the object in the footage was. 1944 01:33:37,945 --> 01:33:40,023 He mentioned to me that there was more than one video 1945 01:33:40,023 --> 01:33:44,518 and after some persuasion was able to get him 1946 01:33:44,518 --> 01:33:46,654 to actually send me the original files 1947 01:33:46,654 --> 01:33:50,424 and that's where the rubber duck was included 1948 01:33:51,692 --> 01:33:54,495 in those files that he sent me. 1949 01:33:54,495 --> 01:33:57,965 And I kind of realized at that moment 1950 01:33:57,965 --> 01:34:00,601 that, okay, I got my hands on something pretty remarkable 1951 01:34:00,601 --> 01:34:03,170 'cause I've been researching this for years 1952 01:34:03,170 --> 01:34:06,807 and I've never seen anything legitimate like 1953 01:34:06,807 --> 01:34:10,211 that coming from a, I would say government 1954 01:34:10,211 --> 01:34:14,015 or military source in its entirety, in its original format 1955 01:34:14,015 --> 01:34:18,285 with, you know, nobody, you know, like, cutting into it 1956 01:34:18,285 --> 01:34:20,621 or removing anything, it's all unedited raw footage. 1957 01:34:20,621 --> 01:34:22,289 So that's when I was like, 1958 01:34:22,289 --> 01:34:24,825 okay, I just landed something pretty big. 1959 01:34:24,825 --> 01:34:26,961 At least that's what I was thinking 1960 01:34:26,961 --> 01:34:29,497 because of, you know, my line of research. 1961 01:34:29,497 --> 01:34:30,931 Never seen it before 1962 01:34:30,931 --> 01:34:32,175 and all of a sudden I got it in my hands. 1963 01:34:32,175 --> 01:34:33,310 I'm like, holy crap, you know, like, 1964 01:34:33,310 --> 01:34:35,069 what do I do with this? 1965 01:34:35,069 --> 01:34:37,271 And basically that's how it started 1966 01:34:37,271 --> 01:34:39,774 and where, you know, took off from there. 1967 01:34:40,641 --> 01:34:42,543 So what happened next? 1968 01:34:42,543 --> 01:34:45,046 You posted on Instagram or YouTube 1969 01:34:45,046 --> 01:34:49,483 and then people started scrutinizing the video? 1970 01:34:49,483 --> 01:34:52,153 No, actually I didn't. 1971 01:34:52,153 --> 01:34:57,525 I first released the cell phone recording of the A-10. 1972 01:34:58,192 --> 01:35:00,428 That was the very first one that he had sent me 1973 01:35:00,428 --> 01:35:03,297 and, you know, I got permission from him to share that. 1974 01:35:03,297 --> 01:35:07,468 Once I got the other videos, the rubber duck one, 1975 01:35:07,468 --> 01:35:09,270 I didn't release to anyone 1976 01:35:09,270 --> 01:35:11,439 because it was the most significant one. 1977 01:35:11,439 --> 01:35:14,675 It was a total of two clips that totaled 60 minutes, 1978 01:35:14,675 --> 01:35:16,844 if I'm not mistaken, 60 minutes total 1979 01:35:16,844 --> 01:35:20,247 and 40 full minutes of the object 1980 01:35:20,247 --> 01:35:24,185 in question, the anomalous object, which is unheard of. 1981 01:35:24,185 --> 01:35:26,821 I've never seen any video out there coming 1982 01:35:26,821 --> 01:35:30,991 from a source like this that was that long. 1983 01:35:30,991 --> 01:35:34,128 You know, usually, for example, like Tic-Tac 1984 01:35:34,128 --> 01:35:36,330 or whatever is a few seconds and that's it, you know. 1985 01:35:36,330 --> 01:35:40,901 So I realized, okay, I have to do something 1986 01:35:40,901 --> 01:35:43,337 with this footage and not just throw it out there. 1987 01:35:43,337 --> 01:35:46,941 Like I want to go through the correct avenues 1988 01:35:46,941 --> 01:35:49,110 to actually get this properly analyzed 1989 01:35:49,110 --> 01:35:51,121 before I put it out there, because this is important. 1990 01:35:51,121 --> 01:35:53,781 I knew that this was something that really needed 1991 01:35:53,781 --> 01:35:56,717 to be put in the hands of people that were going 1992 01:35:56,717 --> 01:35:57,928 to take it serious and analyze it 1993 01:35:57,928 --> 01:36:00,421 for real 'cause of its importance. 1994 01:36:00,421 --> 01:36:03,457 And that's when I had gotten in contact with an individual 1995 01:36:03,457 --> 01:36:07,394 at the SCU, the Scientific Coalition for UAP studies named 1996 01:36:07,394 --> 01:36:12,199 Peter Reali and sent him the footage, introduced him 1997 01:36:12,199 --> 01:36:14,802 to the source, which wanted to remain anonymous. 1998 01:36:14,802 --> 01:36:16,871 But through them, you know, I was able 1999 01:36:16,871 --> 01:36:20,141 to convince him to verify who he was 2000 01:36:20,141 --> 01:36:22,243 and show them all the information they needed 2001 01:36:22,243 --> 01:36:25,045 to see in order to verify that yes, the source is 2002 01:36:25,045 --> 01:36:26,847 who says he is, and we're getting this 2003 01:36:26,847 --> 01:36:28,749 from an authentic individual 2004 01:36:28,749 --> 01:36:31,118 in Department of Homeland Security. 2005 01:36:31,118 --> 01:36:33,521 Why does the object look like it's two objects 2006 01:36:33,521 --> 01:36:35,356 at certain times? 2007 01:36:35,356 --> 01:36:38,159 Like a little ball and then like this kind 2008 01:36:38,159 --> 01:36:40,461 of like bell underneath it. 2009 01:36:40,461 --> 01:36:42,530 It's 'cause it actually is two objects, 2010 01:36:42,530 --> 01:36:44,632 but the analysis showed 2011 01:36:44,632 --> 01:36:47,368 that the bottom is separate from the top. 2012 01:36:47,368 --> 01:36:52,106 So somehow it's one object, but there's no- 2013 01:36:52,106 --> 01:36:53,374 Working together. 2014 01:36:53,374 --> 01:36:54,985 Yeah, it's almost like working together 2015 01:36:54,985 --> 01:36:57,178 because they weren't able to find any evidence 2016 01:36:57,178 --> 01:37:00,915 of anything that was attaching the two together. 2017 01:37:00,915 --> 01:37:03,851 So you have a larger and then a smaller orb at the top 2018 01:37:03,851 --> 01:37:05,595 and as you could see they're working together 2019 01:37:05,595 --> 01:37:08,923 'cause they rotate as they're moving. 2020 01:37:08,923 --> 01:37:11,091 So what is it about this video 2021 01:37:11,091 --> 01:37:15,229 that, you know, through your research 2022 01:37:15,229 --> 01:37:20,334 and speaking to specialists that have analyzed it, 2023 01:37:20,334 --> 01:37:23,103 what sticks out right away 2024 01:37:23,103 --> 01:37:26,607 that makes it, you know, a home run? 2025 01:37:26,607 --> 01:37:28,209 Well, number one is the fact 2026 01:37:28,209 --> 01:37:29,419 that these guys are trained observers. 2027 01:37:29,419 --> 01:37:31,679 Their job is to observe. 2028 01:37:31,679 --> 01:37:34,815 Their job is literally for surveillance. 2029 01:37:34,815 --> 01:37:37,117 So that they're out there every single day 2030 01:37:37,117 --> 01:37:39,687 and night looking for things, 2031 01:37:39,687 --> 01:37:42,990 smugglers, you know, illegal aliens. 2032 01:37:42,990 --> 01:37:45,025 Not those kind of aliens but the other aliens. 2033 01:37:45,025 --> 01:37:46,527 Narcos. - Yeah, all that. 2034 01:37:46,527 --> 01:37:47,928 For them to see something 2035 01:37:47,928 --> 01:37:51,065 and not be able to identify it is a big deal 2036 01:37:51,065 --> 01:37:54,068 because their job is to identify. 2037 01:37:54,068 --> 01:37:56,604 That is literally what they're there to do, you understand? 2038 01:37:56,604 --> 01:37:59,006 So if they're seeing something that catches their attention 2039 01:37:59,006 --> 01:38:02,142 and they have no explanation for it, I mean, 2040 01:38:02,142 --> 01:38:05,079 for god's sakes, this guy filmed this for 40 minutes. 2041 01:38:05,079 --> 01:38:07,047 Why would you film something for 40 minutes 2042 01:38:07,047 --> 01:38:08,916 if you knew it was a balloon? 2043 01:38:08,916 --> 01:38:11,185 So right there, where you're looking at on the film, 2044 01:38:13,053 --> 01:38:14,798 yeah, I mean I can say it now because it's out there, 2045 01:38:14,798 --> 01:38:18,058 but the plane is actually not over US soil. 2046 01:38:18,592 --> 01:38:21,929 It was actually over Mexican. 2047 01:38:21,929 --> 01:38:24,064 The reason why they stopped filming was 2048 01:38:24,064 --> 01:38:27,034 because these planes are loaned out for a certain amount 2049 01:38:27,034 --> 01:38:29,503 of time and that timeframe was coming to an end 2050 01:38:29,503 --> 01:38:30,804 so that's the reason 2051 01:38:30,804 --> 01:38:32,806 why they ended up abandoning the object 2052 01:38:32,806 --> 01:38:34,475 because they had to go back to- 2053 01:38:34,475 --> 01:38:35,976 Refuel. 2054 01:38:35,976 --> 01:38:38,445 Yeah or to, you know, loan the plane out 2055 01:38:38,445 --> 01:38:40,848 to whoever else that was gonna get it next or whatever 2056 01:38:40,848 --> 01:38:43,017 but their time with the plane was over, 2057 01:38:43,017 --> 01:38:44,885 which is why the footage ended. 2058 01:38:44,885 --> 01:38:46,654 But at that time, the object was still 2059 01:38:46,654 --> 01:38:49,023 traveling in its direction. 2060 01:38:49,023 --> 01:38:51,025 They just abandoned the footage because of that. 2061 01:38:51,025 --> 01:38:54,328 Was it circling the same area? 2062 01:38:54,328 --> 01:38:59,033 No, the object was actually traveling in a linear fashion. 2063 01:38:59,033 --> 01:39:02,269 And so they obviously thought it was like a 2064 01:39:02,269 --> 01:39:04,171 narco craft or something at first. 2065 01:39:04,171 --> 01:39:06,373 That's why they were interested in it. 2066 01:39:06,373 --> 01:39:09,810 Well, at first the way the object appeared, 2067 01:39:09,810 --> 01:39:12,446 where they were panning the landscape 2068 01:39:12,446 --> 01:39:15,049 and then all of a sudden it came into view, it flew 2069 01:39:15,049 --> 01:39:18,252 into view and that's what caught their attention. 2070 01:39:18,252 --> 01:39:21,055 But one thing I wanna mention is that this was filmed 2071 01:39:21,055 --> 01:39:23,590 in black hot mode, which means 2072 01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:25,092 that the object you're looking 2073 01:39:25,092 --> 01:39:27,494 at is actually emitting no heat whatsoever. 2074 01:39:27,494 --> 01:39:29,964 So that's another thing 2075 01:39:29,964 --> 01:39:31,999 that caught their attention is the fact 2076 01:39:31,999 --> 01:39:35,002 that this thing is in flight and it's moving, orbiting 2077 01:39:35,002 --> 01:39:37,137 and it's emitting zero heat. 2078 01:39:37,137 --> 01:39:39,907 There's no indication that this has any kind of propellers, 2079 01:39:39,907 --> 01:39:41,675 or propulsion or anything. 2080 01:39:41,675 --> 01:39:43,043 That was another reason 2081 01:39:43,043 --> 01:39:45,379 why they were, you know, perplexed at what it was, 2082 01:39:45,379 --> 01:39:47,915 because this thing is moving with no signs 2083 01:39:47,915 --> 01:39:50,784 of any kind of propulsion whatsoever. 2084 01:39:50,784 --> 01:39:53,420 And it couldn't be a balloon 2085 01:39:53,420 --> 01:39:56,690 because it's going against the wind or something like that. 2086 01:39:56,690 --> 01:39:58,792 No, so it couldn't be a balloon 2087 01:39:58,792 --> 01:40:03,864 because I actually know an individual named David Falch 2088 01:40:04,331 --> 01:40:07,234 who's a 20 plus year FLIR expert. 2089 01:40:07,234 --> 01:40:09,870 He works on them and repairs them. 2090 01:40:09,870 --> 01:40:12,172 He did experiments with different types 2091 01:40:12,172 --> 01:40:15,009 of balloons under FLIR to show 2092 01:40:15,009 --> 01:40:17,678 what they look like, identify, 2093 01:40:17,678 --> 01:40:21,915 and basically assist in the debunking of that theory. 2094 01:40:21,915 --> 01:40:26,553 And due to those experiments, they were able 2095 01:40:26,553 --> 01:40:29,089 to confirm and come to the conclusion 2096 01:40:29,089 --> 01:40:31,258 that there was no balloon, this had nothing 2097 01:40:31,258 --> 01:40:32,826 to do with balloons. 2098 01:40:32,826 --> 01:40:34,862 There was no latex balloon attached 2099 01:40:34,862 --> 01:40:36,930 to a string like a certain individual 2100 01:40:36,930 --> 01:40:38,899 I'm not gonna name was mentioning. 2101 01:40:38,899 --> 01:40:39,976 For example, they were saying 2102 01:40:39,976 --> 01:40:42,703 it was parachute dropping drugs. 2103 01:40:42,703 --> 01:40:45,939 Okay, so did you recover it? Why didn't they recover it? 2104 01:40:45,939 --> 01:40:49,176 You know, if it was that easily identifiable, 2105 01:40:49,176 --> 01:40:54,314 this would not be shown to all agents in the office 2106 01:40:54,314 --> 01:40:56,026 as an anomalous trying to figure out what it was 2107 01:40:56,026 --> 01:40:58,218 'cause they would've already known. 2108 01:40:58,218 --> 01:41:00,587 They would've been able to identify when they went 2109 01:41:00,587 --> 01:41:03,257 and picked up the package from the ground after it dropped. 2110 01:41:03,257 --> 01:41:07,061 But this thing stood where it was at without dropping. 2111 01:41:07,061 --> 01:41:09,029 It did not lower in elevation. 2112 01:41:09,029 --> 01:41:10,931 It stood literally where it was traveling 2113 01:41:10,931 --> 01:41:12,266 at the speed it was traveling. 2114 01:41:12,266 --> 01:41:14,134 So I mean, it's clear as day 2115 01:41:14,134 --> 01:41:18,238 that there is nothing about the object 2116 01:41:18,238 --> 01:41:20,941 that is legitimately explainable 2117 01:41:20,941 --> 01:41:23,243 where you could say, yes, this was a drone, 2118 01:41:23,243 --> 01:41:25,646 or yes, this was a balloon, or yes, this was th. 2119 01:41:25,646 --> 01:41:27,848 It's none of those things 2120 01:41:27,848 --> 01:41:32,186 but because you just can't satisfy everyone, this is 2121 01:41:32,186 --> 01:41:33,520 why I say, no matter 2122 01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:34,488 how good the evidence is, someone's going 2123 01:41:34,488 --> 01:41:35,856 to tell you it's a balloon, 2124 01:41:35,856 --> 01:41:38,292 someone's gonna tell you it's a bird. 2125 01:41:38,292 --> 01:41:41,895 You know, that was the route I took because I understood 2126 01:41:41,895 --> 01:41:44,698 that what I had was important 2127 01:41:44,698 --> 01:41:47,401 and that it needed to be properly analyzed 2128 01:41:47,401 --> 01:41:49,470 before being put out there 2129 01:41:49,470 --> 01:41:51,805 so that way there was no, well, at least 2130 01:41:51,805 --> 01:41:54,508 what I thought was there was gonna be no scrutiny. 2131 01:41:54,508 --> 01:41:57,778 And, you know, you have some scientific backing to it 2132 01:41:57,778 --> 01:42:00,747 to avoid all the trolls and all that negativity 2133 01:42:00,747 --> 01:42:02,916 but unfortunately it didn't turn out that way. 2134 01:42:02,916 --> 01:42:03,750 That's just the community. 2135 01:42:03,750 --> 01:42:05,119 Yeah. 2136 01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:05,886 It's the nature of the community. 2137 01:42:05,886 --> 01:42:07,754 I know. 2138 01:42:07,754 --> 01:42:11,892 So then once SCU, this individual took the proper 2139 01:42:11,892 --> 01:42:15,362 time to analyze it and say, okay, this is not a bug, 2140 01:42:15,362 --> 01:42:18,432 it's not a bird, it's not a balloon, you release it 2141 01:42:18,432 --> 01:42:20,601 to YouTube and it accumulates 2142 01:42:20,601 --> 01:42:25,739 around like 300,000 plus views. 2143 01:42:25,739 --> 01:42:28,642 Yeah, actually the first time anything I ever put 2144 01:42:28,642 --> 01:42:32,246 out went viral, like legitimately went viral. 2145 01:42:32,246 --> 01:42:36,283 I had people from all over the world messaging me. 2146 01:42:36,283 --> 01:42:38,485 Matter of fact, I even had Robert Salas reach out to me 2147 01:42:38,485 --> 01:42:41,421 and thank me for releasing the videos 2148 01:42:41,421 --> 01:42:46,293 and you know, I mean some very high individuals reaching out 2149 01:42:46,293 --> 01:42:49,396 to me, telling me, thank you and privately. 2150 01:42:49,396 --> 01:42:54,835 But then I had unfortunately more negativity than positivity 2151 01:42:55,135 --> 01:42:58,939 because unfortunately, you know, it's just like 2152 01:42:58,939 --> 01:43:04,878 when it comes to this subject, no amount of proof whether 2153 01:43:05,145 --> 01:43:07,247 how authentic or genuine it is is ever good enough 2154 01:43:07,247 --> 01:43:08,882 for anybody, you know. 2155 01:43:08,882 --> 01:43:09,926 Especially the debunkers. 2156 01:43:09,926 --> 01:43:11,552 Especially the debunkers. 2157 01:43:11,552 --> 01:43:14,488 And, you know, they wanna see, you know, ET mooning you 2158 01:43:14,488 --> 01:43:16,256 through the window of the UFO 2159 01:43:16,256 --> 01:43:18,301 in order for them to say, oh, that's real, you know. 2160 01:43:18,301 --> 01:43:19,826 But what they don't understand is 2161 01:43:19,826 --> 01:43:21,604 that's not what they're gonna get, you understand, 2162 01:43:21,604 --> 01:43:23,897 especially not in this manner. 2163 01:43:23,897 --> 01:43:27,634 This is the best that's come out in my opinion so far 2164 01:43:27,634 --> 01:43:31,605 since all of this started, you know, becoming mainstream. 2165 01:43:31,605 --> 01:43:35,242 You know, there's no other video out there still to this day 2166 01:43:35,242 --> 01:43:38,779 that's come out in its entirety in this way. 2167 01:43:38,779 --> 01:43:41,782 You have the Tic-Tac, which just shows a spot in the screen 2168 01:43:41,782 --> 01:43:44,418 and people speaking and, you know, the pilot speaking. 2169 01:43:44,418 --> 01:43:47,688 The GoFast, which is another dot moving 2170 01:43:47,688 --> 01:43:50,657 and the pilot speaking, nothing really crazy, you know. 2171 01:43:50,657 --> 01:43:53,594 Very under the radar release of some videos 2172 01:43:53,594 --> 01:43:56,029 and documents with no explanation. 2173 01:43:56,029 --> 01:43:58,932 All of a sudden Customs and Border Patrol has released 10 2174 01:43:58,932 --> 01:44:01,435 videos from what looks like forward-looking infrared cameras 2175 01:44:01,435 --> 01:44:04,605 from different incidents and an odd 380 some pages 2176 01:44:04,605 --> 01:44:07,040 of reports, news clippings and email. 2177 01:44:07,040 --> 01:44:08,484 What you're looking at is anomalous. 2178 01:44:08,484 --> 01:44:10,777 It's not something of ours. 2179 01:44:10,777 --> 01:44:12,455 It's not some kind of technology that we have 2180 01:44:12,455 --> 01:44:15,382 that is actually exotic. 2181 01:44:15,382 --> 01:44:19,353 It's, you know, a UFO, a real legitimate object, you know. 2182 01:44:19,353 --> 01:44:21,855 Possibly non-human. - Positive non-human, yes. 2183 01:44:21,855 --> 01:44:24,524 Do you think, you know, we're gonna go a little bit 2184 01:44:24,524 --> 01:44:27,694 farfetched now, and I know that you're very professional 2185 01:44:27,694 --> 01:44:29,272 and you're trying to keep within the information 2186 01:44:29,272 --> 01:44:31,365 that you know of, you don't want to- 2187 01:44:31,365 --> 01:44:32,733 Speculate. 2188 01:44:32,733 --> 01:44:34,801 Go crazy with speculation, right? 2189 01:44:34,801 --> 01:44:36,069 But just a little bit 2190 01:44:36,069 --> 01:44:39,740 of healthy speculation, you know, is warranted I'd say. 2191 01:44:39,740 --> 01:44:42,876 Do you think that it's possible 2192 01:44:42,876 --> 01:44:46,580 that these objects, these drone like spheres 2193 01:44:46,580 --> 01:44:51,852 or Tic-Tac UFOs might be originating 2194 01:44:51,852 --> 01:44:55,455 from an ocean based object 2195 01:44:55,455 --> 01:44:58,558 or structure that's maybe deep ocean? 2196 01:44:58,558 --> 01:45:00,927 Right, so this is exactly a possibility. 2197 01:45:00,927 --> 01:45:03,530 After hearing what Dave Grusch has come out with 2198 01:45:03,530 --> 01:45:08,602 and the observations of Ryan Graves at the hearing 2199 01:45:08,602 --> 01:45:11,505 as well as David Fravor, we really can't rule anything out. 2200 01:45:11,505 --> 01:45:13,407 Of course, there's no proof right now of that, 2201 01:45:13,407 --> 01:45:15,776 but they're coming from somewhere 2202 01:45:15,776 --> 01:45:17,720 that we don't know how they're doing what they're doing 2203 01:45:17,720 --> 01:45:19,379 and we don't know their intentions. 2204 01:45:19,379 --> 01:45:23,850 So all I can say is this deserves significant amount 2205 01:45:23,850 --> 01:45:25,952 of study of our oceans 2206 01:45:25,952 --> 01:45:28,822 and that that's what I'm pursuing right now. 2207 01:45:28,822 --> 01:45:31,725 Great. Why don't you talk about that then? 2208 01:45:31,725 --> 01:45:34,695 Tell me a bit about your study of the ocean. 2209 01:45:34,695 --> 01:45:36,396 I mean, you worked for NOAA as well. 2210 01:45:36,396 --> 01:45:39,366 You're chief meteorologist 2211 01:45:39,366 --> 01:45:43,170 for the Navy during these times of exercise 2212 01:45:43,170 --> 01:45:46,940 where they saw UAP over the oceans. 2213 01:45:48,141 --> 01:45:52,612 What are you pursuing right now in terms of trying 2214 01:45:52,612 --> 01:45:56,149 to, you know, solve this mystery? 2215 01:45:56,149 --> 01:45:57,584 So a couple things. 2216 01:45:57,584 --> 01:45:59,786 First off, I was the chief oceanographer 2217 01:45:59,786 --> 01:46:04,157 of the US Navy also, and I have a PhD 2218 01:46:04,157 --> 01:46:06,593 in oceanography from Scripps Institution of Oceanography. 2219 01:46:06,593 --> 01:46:10,931 So this is my career, studying the oceans. 2220 01:46:10,931 --> 01:46:15,102 And so before I get to that answer, let me go back 2221 01:46:15,102 --> 01:46:17,003 to your previous question about 2222 01:46:17,003 --> 01:46:19,506 under sea infrastructure, if you want to call it that. 2223 01:46:19,506 --> 01:46:20,979 So of course I've thought about that. 2224 01:46:20,979 --> 01:46:23,977 There's been some wild speculation about something 2225 01:46:23,977 --> 01:46:26,646 in the Catalina Island area of Southern California. 2226 01:46:26,646 --> 01:46:30,384 And knowing that, knowing there has been observations 2227 01:46:30,384 --> 01:46:36,456 of UAP going transmedium from air to the ocean and back 2228 01:46:37,391 --> 01:46:40,127 from the USS Omaha, for example. 2229 01:46:41,128 --> 01:46:43,563 I had an opportunity. 2230 01:46:43,563 --> 01:46:46,967 When I was with NOAA, I signed an agreement 2231 01:46:46,967 --> 01:46:50,737 with a remarkable individual named Victor Vescovo. 2232 01:46:50,737 --> 01:46:53,473 Victor is a retired Navy Reserve commander 2233 01:46:53,473 --> 01:46:55,675 in the intelligence field. 2234 01:46:55,675 --> 01:46:58,845 And his day job was a private equity investor 2235 01:46:58,845 --> 01:47:00,847 and he made quite a bit of money. 2236 01:47:00,847 --> 01:47:03,850 And what he did, he's an explorer by nature, 2237 01:47:03,850 --> 01:47:08,789 he has been awarded the Explorers Grand Slam, 2238 01:47:08,789 --> 01:47:11,758 which is climbing the seven highest peaks 2239 01:47:11,758 --> 01:47:14,861 in the world's continents, including Everest 2240 01:47:14,861 --> 01:47:17,564 and skiing to the North Pole and the South Pole. 2241 01:47:17,564 --> 01:47:20,734 And so if that wasn't enough, 2242 01:47:20,734 --> 01:47:24,538 Victor found out about the lack of knowledge 2243 01:47:24,538 --> 01:47:26,373 of the oceans and that we've really not, 2244 01:47:26,373 --> 01:47:29,009 we know the surface of Mars and the moon 2245 01:47:29,009 --> 01:47:30,887 to a higher resolution than we know the sea floor 2246 01:47:30,887 --> 01:47:32,679 of our world oceans. 2247 01:47:32,679 --> 01:47:36,116 And so he decided to fund his own expedition 2248 01:47:36,116 --> 01:47:39,786 where he dived in a human operated submersible 2249 01:47:39,786 --> 01:47:42,489 to the deepest trenches in the five oceans, 2250 01:47:42,489 --> 01:47:46,827 seven miles down, 35,000 feet, over 10,000 meters 2251 01:47:46,827 --> 01:47:50,130 and he did that 15 times, remarkable individual. 2252 01:47:50,130 --> 01:47:51,465 I signed an agreement with him 2253 01:47:51,465 --> 01:47:53,867 because he was collecting some great ocean data. 2254 01:47:53,867 --> 01:47:57,337 He was using a ship to map using a multi-beam sonar 2255 01:47:57,337 --> 01:47:59,906 and this was my job at NOAA is 2256 01:47:59,906 --> 01:48:01,942 to ensure we were mapping more of our ocean, 2257 01:48:01,942 --> 01:48:05,145 at least the US part of it, the exclusive economic zone. 2258 01:48:05,145 --> 01:48:08,682 So Victor and I signed this agreement and we stayed 2259 01:48:08,682 --> 01:48:11,718 in touch after I left the government in 2021 2260 01:48:11,718 --> 01:48:15,355 and at the end of that year, he told me he was gonna 2261 01:48:15,355 --> 01:48:17,357 do a shakedown cruise with his ship 2262 01:48:17,357 --> 01:48:18,925 after it got installed 2263 01:48:18,925 --> 01:48:21,561 with a new multi-beam sonar, the latest and greatest 2264 01:48:21,561 --> 01:48:24,731 and he was going to do that in Southern California. 2265 01:48:24,731 --> 01:48:27,801 So I asked him, "Hey, I have some coordinates 2266 01:48:27,801 --> 01:48:30,170 for you to look at, would you mind going after them?" 2267 01:48:30,170 --> 01:48:31,137 And he did. 2268 01:48:31,137 --> 01:48:32,472 Could the answer 2269 01:48:32,472 --> 01:48:34,674 to these unidentified flying objects rest here 2270 01:48:36,977 --> 01:48:39,279 deep under the waters off Point Dume. 2271 01:48:39,279 --> 01:48:41,581 Oh, interesting. 2272 01:48:41,581 --> 01:48:43,493 Well, from above, this may look like every 2273 01:48:43,493 --> 01:48:46,419 other patch of ocean off the California coast, 2274 01:48:46,419 --> 01:48:49,222 but thanks to Google Earth, which uses satellite images 2275 01:48:49,222 --> 01:48:53,293 to look underwater, another mystery is surfacing. 2276 01:48:53,293 --> 01:48:55,795 So this could be the most important discovery for us 2277 01:48:55,795 --> 01:48:58,598 in two and a half decades. 2278 01:48:58,598 --> 01:49:00,267 And so there are certain areas 2279 01:49:00,267 --> 01:49:01,444 where the UAP activity has been, 2280 01:49:01,444 --> 01:49:02,736 and I asked 'em to go survey 2281 01:49:02,736 --> 01:49:05,705 and look for that evidence of something. 2282 01:49:05,705 --> 01:49:08,475 And interestingly, there is one area 2283 01:49:08,475 --> 01:49:11,778 that is very interesting. 2284 01:49:11,778 --> 01:49:14,881 There's a part of a ridge in between Catalina 2285 01:49:14,881 --> 01:49:20,120 and the shore of Southern California, Long Beach 2286 01:49:20,921 --> 01:49:23,690 that looks like a big chunk of the ridge was carved out 2287 01:49:23,690 --> 01:49:26,293 and horizontally displaced. 2288 01:49:26,293 --> 01:49:29,996 And it doesn't look like it was a natural debris flow. 2289 01:49:29,996 --> 01:49:35,168 So I've passed it to some leading geologists 2290 01:49:35,168 --> 01:49:37,871 and ocean bathymetry experts 2291 01:49:37,871 --> 01:49:41,541 and they're not sure how it was created or formed. 2292 01:49:41,541 --> 01:49:44,210 And so my next step is to work with Scripps 2293 01:49:44,210 --> 01:49:46,479 or somebody and get an ROV 2294 01:49:46,479 --> 01:49:48,615 and obtain some image, optical imagery 2295 01:49:48,615 --> 01:49:52,852 and video of this area just to look. 2296 01:49:52,852 --> 01:49:55,922 And that's the kind of things systematic study 2297 01:49:55,922 --> 01:49:57,857 that needs to be done in our oceans 2298 01:49:57,857 --> 01:50:00,760 to really understand what these objects are, 2299 01:50:00,760 --> 01:50:03,897 just like the Harvard's Galileo project is doing 2300 01:50:03,897 --> 01:50:06,399 for anomalous phenomena in the atmosphere. 2301 01:50:06,399 --> 01:50:08,468 There is, in my view, 2302 01:50:08,468 --> 01:50:11,504 based on the data of USO activity, 2303 01:50:11,504 --> 01:50:13,773 there is a very good reason to believe 2304 01:50:13,773 --> 01:50:16,543 that there are multiple undersea bases 2305 01:50:16,543 --> 01:50:18,878 that these things operate out of, yes. 2306 01:50:20,780 --> 01:50:22,949 And some of them would be, 2307 01:50:22,949 --> 01:50:24,818 but definitely off the coast of South America, 2308 01:50:24,818 --> 01:50:25,995 on the Atlantic side, I don't think 2309 01:50:25,995 --> 01:50:27,196 there's any question in my mind. 2310 01:50:27,196 --> 01:50:30,090 There's been too many of those types of cases. 2311 01:50:30,090 --> 01:50:31,767 Probably on the other side of South America too. 2312 01:50:31,767 --> 01:50:33,860 That's a big area of US sub activities, 2313 01:50:33,860 --> 01:50:36,563 at least having been recorded, yes. 2314 01:50:36,563 --> 01:50:41,401 Also the Atlantic and the Northern Pacific. 2315 01:50:42,168 --> 01:50:46,973 I don't think there's a region where it's unlikely 2316 01:50:46,973 --> 01:50:49,409 that there's a base under the water somewhere. 2317 01:50:49,409 --> 01:50:53,780 There's Ukrainian and Russian researchers 15 years ago 2318 01:50:53,780 --> 01:50:55,615 were talking about their strong belief 2319 01:50:55,615 --> 01:50:58,318 of a base near the center of the Black Sea. 2320 01:50:59,519 --> 01:51:03,790 So I think these things are and can be almost anywhere. 2321 01:51:04,791 --> 01:51:07,227 I listened to researchers discussing the possibility 2322 01:51:07,227 --> 01:51:10,830 of the base off the Bay of Bisque, off the coast of France. 2323 01:51:10,830 --> 01:51:14,000 I think these can be in many, many areas. 2324 01:51:15,869 --> 01:51:19,406 So you're talking about a global presence. 2325 01:51:20,140 --> 01:51:23,777 What are they doing? What's going on? 2326 01:51:35,622 --> 01:51:36,289 There's a whole fleet of them. 2327 01:51:36,289 --> 01:51:38,425 Look on the ASA. 2328 01:51:38,425 --> 01:51:41,161 My God. 2329 01:51:41,161 --> 01:51:42,662 They're all going against the wind, 2330 01:51:42,662 --> 01:51:47,600 but that's 120,000 (indistinct). 2331 01:51:47,600 --> 01:51:49,102 Look at that thing!