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[Knapp] One thing I've learned is
that if you're gonna tackle big questions,
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sometimes the only way to do it
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is to piece together
little bits of information
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that when you put them together,
it can reveal a larger truth.
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I came to Phoenix to gather information
for my counter report.
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But what stands out most to me is
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how the government tried so hard
to sweep this phenomenon away,
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and yet the craft itself was
and continues to be defiant
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about asserting its presence.
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I'm convinced there is a reason
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why the intelligence
that was piloting this craft
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allowed itself to be seen
by so many people back in 1997
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and continues revealing itself
to witnesses even today.
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It's like the craft itself
won't let the story be buried.
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[Knapp] To bolster my counter report,
I asked Vee to track down pilots
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who may have encountered
this object in the air.
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Meanwhile, I'm gonna meet
with Dr. Lynne Kitei
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who is the preeminent expert in the world
on the Phoenix Lights incident.
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And I want to talk to her
to fill in the gaps
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about what is publicly known
about this event
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and what may have been suppressed.
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- This view is spectacular, isn't it?
- [Kitei] Oh yeah.
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Let's sit down here and talk.
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Dr. Lynne is a medical professional
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who recorded the definitive images
of the Phoenix Lights on the key night.
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She took it on herself to gather
all kinds of evidence,
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to talk to witnesses,
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to put it all together
long before she decided to go public.
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So I've seen your iconic photos.
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How did you realize
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that this was potentially
a nonhuman craft?
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{\an8}About 8:30 that evening,
I see some orbs pop up in the sky.
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Massive span, over six lights,
equidistantly spaced.
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I mean, I called the FAA
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because it looked
like it was near the airport.
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And, you know, I asked
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if any of the air traffic controllers
had seen something. Tell me what it is.
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- And did they?
- He said the three popped up at 8 o'clock.
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So they looked on radar.
It did not show up on radar.
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And then it disappeared.
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When the six showed up at 8:30,
that really alarmed them.
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There were six points of light,
totally equidistant from each other.
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Massive span, over a mile wide,
that seemed to be attached to something.
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But they couldn't quite see
what these lights were attached to.
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The entire thing
turned as a unit against the wind,
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and then elevated slowly,
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and in synchrony moved
behind South Mountain.
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So I said to him, "What was it?"
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He said that the whole group ruled out
every conventional aircraft, balloons,
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Chinese lanterns, flares,
even skydivers with lights.
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They had no idea what these were.
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Seems like the authorities
weren't even willing to consider
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it was a nonhuman craft.
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No.
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[Armour] So I spent all day
trying to track down
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a former Air Force pilot named Mel
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who allegedly interacted
with the Phoenix Lights craft
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while on duty at Luke Air Force Base.
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{\an8}I'd love to be able to talk to him,
pilot to pilot. "What did you see?"
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He'd be able to tell me about
the technology that he thinks he saw.
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Like, this guy was up close and personal.
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But as of yet, I've totally struck out.
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I know now that this can happen
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with people
who've experienced these things.
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They shrink away from the public
for fear of being ridiculed.
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- [man] Vee?
- [Armour] Yeah, Jim.
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- [Jim] Get right in.
- All right.
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[Armour] But I did get referred to another
local investigator named Jim Dilettoso
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who apparently spoke with Mel
shortly after he returned from his shift.
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So, how'd you get involved with this case?
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I was involved in UFO investigations
for a long time.
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{\an8}Scientific equipment, instrumentation.
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{\an8}I had a business that tested
many photographs over the years.
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So when the Phoenix Lights
happened in 1997,
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we analyzed the pictures
and talked to many witnesses.
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[Armour] So that's
how you connected with Mel?
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I spoke with Mel in person
and on the phone, confidentially.
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[Armour] Mm-hmm.
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We didn't whip out
a confidentiality agreement.
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But we both knew why we were there
and how it should be.
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Right. What was his experience?
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He, uh, talked about taking off
and immediately going to the object.
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He was directed to the object, which...
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{\an8}Luke Air Force Base is
on the west side of Phoenix.
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{\an8}[Armour] Right.
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{\an8}[Dilettoso] He crossed through Phoenix
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to the southwestern part of Phoenix,
Tempe, Arizona, near the airport,
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to approach a bright object
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close enough
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that he thought he was gonna hit it.
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Because he couldn't tell
how big it was or how far away it was.
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He was really disoriented
by the whole thing.
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Just as a human, he didn't understand
what had happened to him.
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- Yes.
- Gotcha.
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- Yes.
- Was he able to give any description?
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[Jim] He described it as a ball
that was illuminated from the inside.
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The object was floating, at rest,
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and as he's approaching it,
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it goes up
and heads southwest towards Tucson.
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Do you happen to know
if his camera was recording?
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Yes, it was.
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Wow. So there could be some footage
out there of exactly what he saw.
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Between George and I,
we've heard multiple accounts
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that this gun camera footage
actually exists.
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And if we could just get our hands on it,
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it could prove that it was created
by an extraterrestrial craft.
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I'll have to keep looking,
digging, reaching out to my network.
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But at least this information
will help George's case
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and let AARO know
there's something to look for.
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[Knapp] While we've hit
a few obstacles here,
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I think we've collected
the best available evidence and testimony
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regarding the Phoenix Lights case.
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Visuals of both the original event
and new sightings.
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Details to refute the explanation
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that the authorities used
to debunk the case.
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And secondhand accounts
of close encounters in the air
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between pilots and that craft.
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But I can't leave here
without addressing the larger question,
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the one we've been asking
since the beginning, and that's the why.
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Why did this intelligence,
wherever it's from,
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why did they allow them to be seen
by so many people over a major city?
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Dr. Lynne Kitei has spoken
with hundreds of witnesses.
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What I want to do is take the testimony
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that she's collected
and look for patterns,
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and see if it might explain
why this thing happened.
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So you did a scientific study of people
who witnessed the Phoenix Lights.
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How big was it, and what did you learn?
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We have over 2,000 in our study already
that have shared
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that they've had a contact or connection
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with these nonhuman intelligent beings,
we call them.
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Really? What did they say?
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Not to be worried.
We are not here to harm you.
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- Is that the general message?
- Oh yeah.
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I found that talking to witnesses,
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the vast majority, over 90%,
had a positive, awakening transformation.
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That it affected them very deeply.
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People were in awe and in wonder,
curious, pulled their cars over.
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I still have people today saying to me
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that they feel blessed to have had
the experience with the Phoenix Lights.
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What's amazing is
that whoever did this wanted to wake us up
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to their presence in a very gentle,
nonthreatening way.
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There's much more out there
than what we're being told.
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[Knapp] I know that the Phoenix Lights
were witnessed by a huge number of people,
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but it's also interesting to learn
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that there may have been
some sort of a profound shared experience,
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which is different from what we've heard
in other parts of the world,
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where they've had
very disturbing experiences,
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where they were frightened
and scared of the whole thing.
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This points to a theory
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that the visitors' purpose
in revealing themselves to humans
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is to send us a message.
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But is that message really as simple as,
"We're not here to harm you,"
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or is it something more profound?
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[Knapp] I've been working on compiling
my own counter report
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to AARO's outrageous claims
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that there is absolutely
no evidence whatsoever
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of nonhuman intelligence
or extraterrestrials.
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There is urgency here.
I mean, it's an election year.
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We don't know
who the new administration is going to be.
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A lot of the people who are champions
for UFO transparency in Congress
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may not be around.
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So I put calls out to everyone
whom I could determine testified to AARO
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to see if they'd share their accounts.
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What I've found is,
people are shutting down fast.
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There's a lot of pushback,
and the window is shrinking.
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But I just got a call back from someone
who might be the final key piece
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to putting this counter report together.
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Bob Jacobs is the most important witness
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to what might be
the most significant UFO event ever.
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{\an8}1964, Vandenberg Air Force Base.
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{\an8}They're shooting a missile
with a dummy nuclear warhead on top,
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{\an8}and something comes out during the test.
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{\an8}Flying saucer.
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Bob Jacobs is a Lieutenant
in the US Air Force at the time.
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He was responsible
for documenting this test,
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and he captured the whole thing on film.
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Naturally, that footage
was seized immediately.
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Bob's experience is not without precedent.
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Since the 1940s,
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military personnel have reported
mysterious craft
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tampering with nuclear missile
launch systems.
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I even encountered this
when I went to Russia,
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where I obtained files
from the Ministry of Defense
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about their UFO programs,
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including a very specific incident
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where a Russian ICBM base
was overrun by UFOs.
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The UFOs entered
the correct launch control codes
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and nearly started World War III.
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[Knapp] AARO took testimony from at least
a half a dozen American missile operators
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who shared similar experiences.
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But there is little, if any, indication
that AARO took these reports seriously.
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Many years later, he finally came forward
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and said something about it
to a friend of mine, Robert Hastings,
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who'd investigated similar incidents.
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But he got a lot of crap
and just stopped doing interviews,
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until this AARO report
gives him an opportunity.
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He goes in, in good faith, thinks,
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"All right, here's my chance
to put my story on the record."
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They even included
his case in the AARO report,
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but determined it was inconclusive.
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Wow. So how did you get Bob to talk to us?
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Him coming forward to AARO
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and then being treated so shabbily
really ticked him off.
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So we took advantage of that
by getting him to come forward
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and fly out here to see us. Um...
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I feel a little bit guilty about it,
but not entirely.
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This might be the most important evidence
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that AARO did, in fact,
drop the ball in their report,
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and the work needs to continue.
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The window can't close now
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because vital answers
are still out there to be found.
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- This is my colleague Vee.
- Hi.
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Bob Jacobs. So, Bob, tell us what happened
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when you got the developed film back
from the missile test.
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{\an8}I was working away happily one day,
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{\an8}and a major from the first
Strategic Aerospace Division
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called me up and said, "Lieutenant,
could you come into my office?"
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So I walked in, and two guys in gray suits
standing against the wall in his office.
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He said, "Watch this."
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He turns off the lights,
turns on the projector.
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Here's the warhead flying along.
This thing comes in here like that,
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shoots a beam of light at it,
flies up here,
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shoots another beam of light at it,
flies around here, another beam,
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and flies under it, another beam,
and then zips out of the frame that way.
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And the warhead tumbled out of the frame.
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That thing was a flying saucer.
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A circular, uh, disk
with a bulb on top of it.
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[sighs]
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- I get emotional at this.
- [Knapp] Yeah. Yeah.
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I can see. Of course.
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[exhales] Long time ago,
but... the lights came on.
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Major Mansmann said, and I quote,
"Were you guys screwing around up there?"
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And I said, "No, sir."
He said, "Well, what was that?"
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And I said, "Looks to me
like we've got a UFO."
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He said, "You are never
to speak of that again."
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"As far as you're concerned,
Lieutenant, it never happened."
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[Knapp] Did the guys in the gray suits
say anything?
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[Jacobs] Not a thing.
They simply stared at me.
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- [Knapp] You know who they are?
- I know who they are now.
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Major Mansmann informed me later
who they were.
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They were CIA.
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What did you think
when you saw it in that moment?
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My mind exploded.
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My whole vision of the universe changed.
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- I didn't believe in UFOs.
- [both] Right.
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The universe was different.
We weren't alone. It was astonishing.
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That's why, for 17 years, I... I... I...
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I get emotional.
I... I wanted to tell the story.
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It was eating away at me.
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I couldn't tell my wife.
I couldn't tell friends.
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I couldn't tell the men I worked with.
I couldn't tell anybody.
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Think of that,
being taught you have to lie.
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I and they, I'm sure, believe
that this is the most significant thing
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that's happened in human history.
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We are not alone.
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The AARO report comes out.
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Give me your sense of,
when you read that thing,
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what was it like that day?
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I was so mad.
I was just angry. I was furious.
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This... this account
that I'd given happened.
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I resent deeply my integrity,
my honor, my PhD degree, my books,
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all of the things I've done
is on the line now
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thanks to this complete idiotic silence
that the government gives us.
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They don't want anybody
to ask the questions.
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They don't want anybody to think
that these things flying around are real.
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I don't believe they're real.
I know they're real.
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There's no belief involved.
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It did happen.
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It happened to me.
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We do know that this has happened dozens,
maybe hundreds of times around the world.
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- US nuclear bases.
- Yep.
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Shut down, taken offline.
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- Yup.
- Russians, something similar.
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They entered the codes
and enabled those missiles.
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Exactly so.
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Some really dramatic incidents
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at nuclear missile silos
and storage areas.
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And they're intensely interested
in our nuclear weapons.
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Yes, they are. Because they want us
to stop using them.
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[intense music playing]
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Some of the most compelling statements
I've read about the ET
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or nonhuman intelligence phenomena
are what I call alien editorials.
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These beings interact with humans,
and they tell 'em a couple of things
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over and over and over,
from the '40s on to present day.
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"Quit messing with nuclear weapons.
You're gonna destroy yourself."
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"Quit poisoning your planet.
Take care of it."
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It suggests to me
that at least some of them
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are more interested in the planet
than they are in us.
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Maybe they live here too.
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I was just gonna raise that.
They would jeopardize their bases.
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There are those of us, I'm one,
who believe they've been here for
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hundreds, perhaps thousands of years.
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[Knapp] So up to this point,
I had two missions.
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One is to counter the AARO Report
by bringing forth proof
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of nonhuman intelligence
interacting with humans.
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And secondly, to answer the question of,
"Why are they here?"
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But I realize
the two goals are intertwined.
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In order to keep this moving forward,
to keep the window open,
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I need to present everything
that we've accumulated.
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The big questions, the who,
the where, and especially the why.
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I can't hold anything back.
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[gentle music playing]
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[Knapp] Trying to answer
these big question
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has led me down some conflicting
and sometimes contradictory paths.
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It seemed that the motivation
behind Colares and animal mutilations
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may have been research or sampling.
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But what about the vast majority
of so-called alien interactions
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which are benign and maybe even positive?
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Luckily, I'm not the only one
asking these questions.
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I'm headed to meet with Mike Masters.
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He's a professor of anthropology
at Montana Tech University.
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He's a tenured professor
and a respected academic
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who has really been shaking things up
with some unique ideas
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about who these visitors are
and how long they've been here.
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I want to see how his theories can help me
make sense of how these aliens look at us,
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and maybe, how we should look at them.
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- George, good to see you. Have a seat.
- Yeah. In person, finally.
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Yeah.
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[Knapp] We've been traveling
around the world,
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trying to figure out answers
to the big questions.
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{\an8}And your theory is different
from the ET paradigm
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{\an8}that has been explored for so long.
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Well, I think it's important to bring in
a multidisciplinary approach.
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So I try to look at this
through the context of what we can learn
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from astrobiology, astronomy, physics,
and, most importantly, anthropology.
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And there's a lot of indications
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that these visitors,
the occupants of the UFOs, might be us.
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Time travelers from the future.
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I'm not saying it's right.
No one can know.
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But it's important to, at least, consider
this model because it does make sense.
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So what you're saying is,
witnesses see this craft and these beings,
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and they say to themselves,
"Look at those aliens in the spaceship,"
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when in fact, it might really be humans
in a time machine.
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Yeah. And it follows Occam's razor.
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We don't know
if there's complex life forms
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anywhere else, but we know we're here.
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So how does long-term evolutionary change
relate to this question?
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There's a lot of indications
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that as our brains get bigger
and our faces get smaller,
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the dominant trend throughout
the last six to eight million years,
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if those continue...
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we'd be expected to look like gray aliens.
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It's starting from a place of simplicity
and then building from there.
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Among reports of people who claim they've
had close encounters with nonhumans
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are descriptions
of what are called gray aliens.
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These short little beings
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with big round heads
and big black almond eyes.
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This description first came
to prominence in 1965
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with the alleged abduction
of Barney and Betty Hill.
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But similar sightings have been reported
on an ongoing basis all over the world.
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How do you test this theory?
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We have ways of modeling
these skulls into the future.
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We take these individual points
from all around the skull,
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and then we can digitize those
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through this geometric
morphometric process,
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and we can see what that would look like
in the deep future.
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And sure enough, it looked exactly
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like what we expect
a gray alien skull to look like.
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The skull became
even more upright, more of a forehead.
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The eye orbits increased in size
and curved up.
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That's one of the main things described,
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these wraparound eyes
that are so commonly seen
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in association with these grays.
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And if bipedalism is the trait
that defines our lineage,
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and if they walk upright
on two legs with four limbs,
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we're probably related.
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People ask the question,
why don't extraterrestrials take over?
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They've been here a long time.
I guess if they're from the future,
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they wouldn't take over
because they depend on us.
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It's the grandfather paradox
for our entire species.
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If your grandfather made your parents,
either mother or father,
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they went on to reproduce, make you,
you can't go back and change that.
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Why would they ever attack us
if they depend on our survival?
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I think it's important to consider
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that they might be a part
of our family tree,
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just from
a more distant branch onset tree.
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[Knapp] The modern UFO era is,
like, 75 years,
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but have they been around longer?
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Seemingly, they've been around
throughout human antiquity.
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Going back into prehistoric times,
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you have all kinds of petroglyphs,
geoglyphs, carvings.
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You have case after case
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that seems to indicate
that people are seeing similar,
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if not the same,
things throughout the human past.
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Which again points to time travel.
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And yeah, some do say they're from space,
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but a lot do say
they're from time as well.
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When you've got your head
around the UFO mystery,
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"These were ETs from other planets,"
along comes Mike Masters and says,
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"Wait a second.
Maybe they're us from the future."
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I'm a little bit reassured by this idea
because if it's us from the future,
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it's in their long-term interest
that we and the planet survive.
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Which is consistent
with what Bob Jacobs took away
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from his own experience
at that nuclear missile site.
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But what I really want is to see proof
of this time traveler theory.
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Dr. Masters indicated he has a contact
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who can show us physical evidence
a few hundred miles to our south
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that can do just that.
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[intriguing music playing]
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[Knapp] Jonathan Redbird Dover
is a retired Navajo ranger
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who spent ten years investigating UFOs
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and other strange phenomena
on native lands.
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{\an8}The Fremont were here anywhere
from 500 to 900 years ago.
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They left quite a record
of historical writings on the walls,
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detailing events that had occurred.
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[Knapp] Oh my gosh.
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Boy, the ancestors picked a great canvas
for their artwork here.
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They spent time thinking about it.
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[chuckles] Yeah.
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Archaeologists attribute
these unique markings
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to the Fremont culture,
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which occupied the lands
around Capitol Reef
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for about a thousand years.
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The petroglyph etchings were created
using stone tools.
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Modern-day Hopi and Zuni tribes regard
these markings as a detailed history
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of their ancestors' daily lives,
journeys, and beliefs.
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Like an ancient social media feed.
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Some of these images are pretty strange.
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[Masters] You know, these in particular,
they seem to have spacesuits.
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{\an8}There's a big round helmet
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{\an8}that doesn't really look like
the shape of a head.
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You can't help but wonder
in this time travel theory,
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how if you have these time travelers,
but different times,
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it could be the exact same ones,
and they're represented in different ways.
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Yeah, that's right. There's a lot
of interpretation that can be done.
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If I were around at that time in history
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and saw something like a spaceman,
I'd be up there carving it.
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[Masters] Absolutely.
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[Knapp] Whoever carved out these accounts
of seeing these strange beings
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was really doing what I do as a reporter.
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Documenting events as they happen
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and creating a record
for future generations.
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Now that I'm seeing this,
I feel my own responsibility
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to carry this story forward.
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[energetic music playing]
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[Knapp] What do you make of what Mike
has shared with us about time travelers?
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The idea is really interesting
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because we think of time as linear.
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It's a straight line
going into the distance.
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And so you're thinking,
"Okay, you can never go back."
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Uh, it's only one direction.
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But if you look at time
like a record player
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that has grooves in it
that are going different directions,
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what if the needle skipped,
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and you suddenly found yourself
in a different timescape?
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I don't think it's... it's a linear line
like we think it is.
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I think it could be circular in some way,
or it could be even circular like a ball.
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[music fades]
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[Jonathan] We're going up
to this barrier-style pictograph
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from about the same time period
as the Fremont.
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[Knapp] Oh my gosh, look at this.
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The term barrier-style pictograph
was first coined in 1971
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to identify a series of drawings painted
with pigments
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derived from minerals and plants
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that are seen across eastern Utah
into western Colorado.
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They were carbon dated
back to the Archaic Period
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between 1,500 and 4,000 years ago
and may be even older than that.
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- [Masters] It's amazing.
- [Jonathan] It is truly amazing.
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It's just unbelievable
that this panel could even exist.
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- And it's still here.
- And it's still here, yes.
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- You can see why people'd say alien.
- [Masters] Right.
471
00:25:29,694 --> 00:25:33,364
[Knapp] I mean, you have to go pretty far
to not recognize a similarity.
472
00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:35,992
- [Masters] Yeah.
- [Knapp] You have to bury your head.
473
00:25:36,618 --> 00:25:38,702
We've got other areas
that we can look at too.
474
00:25:38,703 --> 00:25:39,788
[Knapp] Oh, good.
475
00:25:44,042 --> 00:25:48,713
[Jonathan] These figures over here are
probably the most alien-looking.
476
00:25:49,631 --> 00:25:51,173
[Knapp] They look kind of ghostly.
477
00:25:51,174 --> 00:25:54,343
I mean, it looks like... an alien.
478
00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:58,138
We see this, we're not allowed
to say alien as anthropologists,
479
00:25:58,139 --> 00:25:59,390
as archaeologists.
480
00:25:59,391 --> 00:26:02,393
The stigma that's been forced upon us.
481
00:26:02,394 --> 00:26:04,728
But how do you look at that
and not draw a comparison?
482
00:26:04,729 --> 00:26:05,814
[Masters] Exactly.
483
00:26:06,439 --> 00:26:10,527
And if it's one alien-like figure
in one place.
484
00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:12,528
Sure, that's interesting onto itself,
485
00:26:12,529 --> 00:26:15,115
but they're all over the world
and through time.
486
00:26:15,949 --> 00:26:18,660
People paint what they see.
They carve what they see.
487
00:26:19,160 --> 00:26:23,498
And they continually show
the same types of things that we see.
488
00:26:26,418 --> 00:26:30,255
[Knapp] Big-eyed, big-headed,
what look like gray aliens.
489
00:26:30,797 --> 00:26:33,799
We had examples
of what looks like technology.
490
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:37,428
Antenna, helmets.
It looks like, from these likenesses
491
00:26:37,429 --> 00:26:40,306
that are so similar
to what people are reporting even now,
492
00:26:40,307 --> 00:26:43,892
that whatever these things are,
they've been with us a long time.
493
00:26:43,893 --> 00:26:46,770
They've coexisted with us,
peacefully for the most part,
494
00:26:46,771 --> 00:26:51,609
so maybe they are time-traveling humans
keeping tabs on their distant relatives.
495
00:26:51,610 --> 00:26:55,237
This is the type of information
that's only possible to discover
496
00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:57,531
if people are willing
to keep coming forward,
497
00:26:57,532 --> 00:27:01,535
sharing their stories and theories,
free of the risk of ridicule
498
00:27:01,536 --> 00:27:05,040
that came with talking about UFOs
for so many decades.
499
00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:08,543
[music fades]
500
00:27:12,047 --> 00:27:14,089
[suspenseful music playing]
501
00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:16,800
Here we are,
back in the desert again, which, for me,
502
00:27:16,801 --> 00:27:20,387
is where this journey started
more than 35 years ago,
503
00:27:20,388 --> 00:27:22,306
trying to tackle the big questions.
504
00:27:22,307 --> 00:27:25,935
Who are they? Why are they here?
What's their interest in us?
505
00:27:26,895 --> 00:27:30,522
The data, the information,
the cases, the personal experiences
506
00:27:30,523 --> 00:27:33,275
all over the world
paint conflicting pictures.
507
00:27:33,276 --> 00:27:35,444
Some of it seems positive and encouraging,
508
00:27:35,445 --> 00:27:39,448
like in Phoenix where thousands of people
witnessed this huge craft
509
00:27:39,449 --> 00:27:42,452
and felt like
they were receiving a message of peace.
510
00:27:43,578 --> 00:27:46,330
But we also saw these visitors,
if that's what they are,
511
00:27:46,331 --> 00:27:49,291
express hostility or at least ambivalence
512
00:27:49,292 --> 00:27:51,711
to the suffering of humans and animals.
513
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:57,549
We saw some disturbing encounters
in Brazil.
514
00:27:57,550 --> 00:28:01,970
We found evidence too, at various places,
that these things are drawn to water,
515
00:28:01,971 --> 00:28:03,973
that maybe they live in water.
516
00:28:04,724 --> 00:28:07,726
They could have bases
deep in the uncharted oceans
517
00:28:07,727 --> 00:28:09,687
that they use to keep an eye on us.
518
00:28:09,688 --> 00:28:11,897
We don't know what their timeline is.
519
00:28:11,898 --> 00:28:14,191
To us, they've been here
thousands of years.
520
00:28:14,192 --> 00:28:15,777
To them, it might be a weekend.
521
00:28:18,029 --> 00:28:19,571
Why do I think they're here?
522
00:28:19,572 --> 00:28:22,241
I don't know if we have
enough information to answer this.
523
00:28:22,242 --> 00:28:26,162
But what it seems to me today,
is that we have no single answer,
524
00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:27,913
because it's possible
525
00:28:27,914 --> 00:28:31,292
there isn't just one alien civilization
interacting with us.
526
00:28:32,168 --> 00:28:36,965
All signs point to multiple civilizations,
presumably with multiple agendas.
527
00:28:37,674 --> 00:28:39,425
But that could be what we perceive.
528
00:28:39,426 --> 00:28:42,262
The reality could be
something very different altogether.
529
00:28:43,304 --> 00:28:45,556
Because we don't know what the truth is.
530
00:28:45,557 --> 00:28:50,352
Until or unless we get some
inside information from our government,
531
00:28:50,353 --> 00:28:53,647
the true keepers of the secret,
we're always gonna be trying
532
00:28:53,648 --> 00:28:56,900
to answer these questions
with one hand tied behind our backs.
533
00:28:56,901 --> 00:28:58,777
{\an8}And as the AARO report showed,
534
00:28:58,778 --> 00:29:02,282
{\an8}that is just exactly what some people
in the government seem to want.
535
00:29:02,782 --> 00:29:06,326
You know, I've heard that
from people in intelligence circles
536
00:29:06,327 --> 00:29:09,747
who think maybe there's a good reason
for keeping this secret.
537
00:29:09,748 --> 00:29:12,458
Uh, not only the race for this technology
538
00:29:12,459 --> 00:29:15,252
among the US,
Russia, China, and other countries,
539
00:29:15,253 --> 00:29:18,506
but also the ultimate truth
might be pretty dark.
540
00:29:19,007 --> 00:29:22,301
Maybe somebody has figured out
that revealing this information
541
00:29:22,302 --> 00:29:25,053
would totally disrupt society.
542
00:29:25,054 --> 00:29:27,265
[gentle music playing]
543
00:29:30,518 --> 00:29:33,228
[Knapp] But I think people are ready
for the truth.
544
00:29:33,229 --> 00:29:34,980
So I'm heading to Washington, DC,
545
00:29:34,981 --> 00:29:38,150
to put my information out there,
present it to Congress,
546
00:29:38,151 --> 00:29:41,528
and make sure this window
doesn't close once and for all.
547
00:29:41,529 --> 00:29:43,615
[music fades]
548
00:29:45,074 --> 00:29:47,242
[Knapp] I'm meeting my colleague
Jeremy Corbell,
549
00:29:47,243 --> 00:29:49,369
who's been working to track down
the missing footage
550
00:29:49,370 --> 00:29:51,205
from the jellyfish UFO video.
551
00:29:51,206 --> 00:29:53,832
We're hoping
that one of our allies on Capitol Hill,
552
00:29:53,833 --> 00:29:57,085
Representative Tim Burchett,
can help get this released
553
00:29:57,086 --> 00:29:58,712
and answer some questions I have
554
00:29:58,713 --> 00:30:01,424
about what disclosures
might be coming next.
555
00:30:01,925 --> 00:30:03,301
{\an8}[Burchett] What's happening?
556
00:30:03,968 --> 00:30:06,845
{\an8}[Corbell] All right, well,
first of all, have you seen
557
00:30:06,846 --> 00:30:09,932
the release of the jellyfish UAP
that George and I did?
558
00:30:09,933 --> 00:30:10,849
I did.
559
00:30:10,850 --> 00:30:13,393
{\an8}We know where the footage is,
560
00:30:13,394 --> 00:30:17,022
{\an8}where it goes into the water,
shows transmedium capability, comes out.
561
00:30:17,023 --> 00:30:20,317
We know what agency
confiscated it that night.
562
00:30:20,318 --> 00:30:23,445
And I have direct witnesses
willing to talk about it
563
00:30:23,446 --> 00:30:26,074
if there's no repercussions on them.
564
00:30:26,825 --> 00:30:28,784
The pushback is real.
565
00:30:28,785 --> 00:30:31,703
Um, you know, we're seeing it
in real ways.
566
00:30:31,704 --> 00:30:34,373
What did you think
of the AARO report, Congressman?
567
00:30:34,374 --> 00:30:38,669
Doesn't say anything. Very bland thing
I could have written in the third grade.
568
00:30:38,670 --> 00:30:41,213
If they tell us
that this stuff doesn't exist,
569
00:30:41,214 --> 00:30:43,715
then why don't they give us
the documentation
570
00:30:43,716 --> 00:30:46,426
and give us the unredacted reports?
571
00:30:46,427 --> 00:30:50,055
Do you have a sense
about these legacy UFO programs,
572
00:30:50,056 --> 00:30:53,559
the fact that we have crash retrievals,
that they have been analyzed
573
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,229
and stashed away for a long time?
Do you think it's true?
574
00:30:56,729 --> 00:31:01,483
I think there are some programs out there,
and I think the crash retrieval program,
575
00:31:01,484 --> 00:31:03,777
I've talked to people
who've said that is real,
576
00:31:03,778 --> 00:31:05,405
and I have no reason to doubt it.
577
00:31:07,282 --> 00:31:11,327
And I'm afraid if I disclose too much
about what I know...
578
00:31:12,912 --> 00:31:17,332
I don't want to state the locations
where this could possibly exist,
579
00:31:17,333 --> 00:31:20,503
because if I do,
then those sites disappear.
580
00:31:22,505 --> 00:31:26,425
So you got a sense
that someone here in this building,
581
00:31:26,426 --> 00:31:28,635
um, knows where that stuff is?
582
00:31:28,636 --> 00:31:33,224
[Burchett] Maybe not in this building,
but in close proximity to this, yes, sir.
583
00:31:33,850 --> 00:31:34,933
[Knapp] When will we see it?
584
00:31:34,934 --> 00:31:38,438
[Burchett] The way we're gonna get it
is somebody's gonna walk out legally
585
00:31:39,022 --> 00:31:41,733
and disclose to us what we need to know.
586
00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:48,573
[energetic music playing]
587
00:31:50,199 --> 00:31:53,785
[Knapp] I'm not under illusions that
my report will convince the government
588
00:31:53,786 --> 00:31:56,079
to completely change
the course of UFO secrecy
589
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,248
that they've been on
for more than 70 years.
590
00:31:58,249 --> 00:32:02,127
But if you told me in 1989
that the people inside the government
591
00:32:02,128 --> 00:32:04,922
would speak publicly
about nonhuman contacts,
592
00:32:04,923 --> 00:32:06,507
I'd have said you're nuts.
593
00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:09,676
These are the biggest questions
in human existence.
594
00:32:09,677 --> 00:32:11,179
Where are we on the food chain?
595
00:32:11,679 --> 00:32:13,890
Who's higher?
What do they have in mind for us?
596
00:32:14,599 --> 00:32:18,644
Are they here to help us?
To save us? To guide us? Teach us?
597
00:32:18,645 --> 00:32:20,897
We don't know the answers
to any of this stuff.
598
00:32:22,106 --> 00:32:26,276
So I'm sharing my evidence, because
the future of humanity may depend on us
599
00:32:26,277 --> 00:32:29,614
understanding why they're here
and what they want from us.
600
00:32:30,615 --> 00:32:33,742
This report hopefully has enough gas
to keep the window open.
601
00:32:33,743 --> 00:32:36,746
Because while today
the buck might stop in Washington,
602
00:32:37,246 --> 00:32:40,457
my pursuit for the ultimate truth
about alien intelligence,
603
00:32:40,458 --> 00:32:43,543
nonhuman intelligence,
is just getting started.
604
00:32:43,544 --> 00:32:45,879
[music fades]
605
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:49,175
[energetic music playing]
606
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:10,905
{\an8}[music fades]