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[interviewer] Now,
what would you consider to be
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the most difficult aspect
of your career?
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The most difficult aspect is
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controlling myself
around the ladies, man.
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I just be ridiculous
because I love them so much.
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I be like, yo. [laughs]
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Having fun,
seeing all the girls,
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basically.
[laughs] You know?
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[Chris] It was great to come
out and show the world
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how to be a gentleman
and try to have fun.
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He's not going to do anything
like this in the future.
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If you're not my fan,
then don't listen to my music.
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I'm not asking you to.
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[paparazzo]
When is your hearing
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for your restraining order?
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We have a woman
that called for help
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around three o'clock
this morning.
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[announcer] The winner
of the four BET Awards,
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Mr. Chris Brown.
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[woman] How do you feel?
Do you feel like a man?
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No, I have not spoken
about this matter publicly.
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[Clarence] We had Hit Mission
Music Production.
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Our mission is to write hits,
just not songs, but hit songs.
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My name is Clarence Jenkins,
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and I am a retired
schoolteacher and military,
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and I'm an executive producer
of Hit Music music company.
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This particular plaque
right here
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is for the project
that went double platinum.
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That's the first album,
entitled Chris Brown.
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In 2002, 2003,
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we were actually looking
for talent.
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So a rapper
brought my partner a CD.
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He was like, you know,
"Hey, Lamont. I got this CD."
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He was like, "I'd like for you
to check me out."
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[Clarence] I listened to it.
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It was okay, but nothing
that kind of spinned my wheels
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to make me say,
"I want to invest money
and time into it."
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But we heard a voice
in the background.
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The way I heard his vibrato
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and the way
the song was coming off,
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like he's very mature.
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He reminded me
of Michael Jackson.
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I said, "Huh. Who is that?"
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Ever since I was two,
I always was dancing
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and performing, always.
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But, like,
I guess I would have to say
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I was around 11 or 12 when
I found out I could sing.
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Chris Brown was young
when he was discovered.
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He was 14. Good-looking.
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He could dance,
he could sing.
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We produced
the first music video
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and the record.
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I would put my own
talent shows together.
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Chris Brown spoke.
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I remember
I wasn't initiating.
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But I was going to
the same thing with Lamont.
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"Sing, boy, sing!
Get him to sing..."
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That was the early Chris,
the innocent Chris,
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the beginning of his career.
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So we submitted this demo
to the record label.
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And the rest is history.
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[radio host]
Chris Brown is the name.
Get used to that right there.
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[Michelle] I remember
when he first came out,
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I was like,
"Who is this little kid?"
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[Scaachi] He's a baby.
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He's got such a baby face.
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They don't have
like regular chairs.
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They have couches.
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You get to relax
and lean back.
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The story around Chris Brown
very much was that
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he was going to be
the next Michael Jackson.
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[Michelle] I saw him
in the film This Christmas.
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He had such charisma.
Like, he draws you in.
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About 15 years ago,
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I was working for BET News.
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I'd go on 106 & Park
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and I would
cover the music industry,
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big stories
that would happen.
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At 15 years old,
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the rest of us are
hanging out in the mall.
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Chris Brown
is signing record deals
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and he is making records,
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and Run It! was released.
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It went to number one.
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He was actually
the first male artist
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to have a debut
single reach number one
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on the Billboard charts
for 10 years.
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Oh, it's great. It's great.
I'm having fun.
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Everything we're doing,
just having fun.
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For a couple of years,
his music was everywhere.
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In 2007, Wrigley's actually
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signed a deal with Chris Brown
for Doublemint gum.
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They actually paid for him
to go in the studio
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and create a full-length song
from that jingle,
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which was Forever.
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♪♪ One, two, three, four! ♪
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[Scaachi] It went viral.
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After this wedding procession,
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he was dancing down the aisle
to this Chris Brown song.
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And then The Office
ended up using this dance
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in one of their episodes
when Jim and Pam get married.
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So he had really cornered
this very particular piece
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of pop culture ubiquity
just from one song.
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You've got stars and then
you've got superstars.
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What Chris had was the talent
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and the presence
and the work ethic
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and the confidence
to be an absolute superstar.
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One more. One more.
She wasn't in.
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He spoke to female audiences.
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[man] That's the type of stuff
that will get you
into trouble, player!
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For the young ladies,
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I mean, what's up, man?
You got a girl or what?
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Nah, I'm keeping
my options open.
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So y'all be checking for me.
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You know what I'm saying?
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[host] Rihanna, ladies
and gentlemen. Thank you.
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Yes, ma'am? Go right ahead.
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[woman] It seems like
you just came from nowhere.
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Everything
is a big deal for me
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because I was just
a normal girl
growing up in Barbados,
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doing normal things.
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And, now, there's just
so many things happening.
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[Michelle] Robyn Fenty,
also known as Rihanna,
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she's from Barbados,
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makes it big
in the United States
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and around the world.
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[Sharon] She went from
being the girl next door
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with "Pon de Replay"
and "SOS,"
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and then came out
with this new edgy Rihanna.
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And people really loved it.
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And she was
pushing the boundaries.
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In 2005,
Rihanna and Chris Brown
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were actually
photographed backstage
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at the Z100 Jingle Ball.
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They both were kind of like
exploding onto this scene
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and making
these really fun songs
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that people could dance to
and vibe with.
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[Sharon] So these two young
stars struck up a friendship,
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and they really hit it off.
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We're not sure when that
friendship became romantic,
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because for the longest time,
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they were trying to
convince us all,
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"No, we're just platonic.
No, we're just friends."
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But one really, really big
and special moment for them
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was at the MTV Awards 2007.
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They were 18, 19.
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Chris Brown had
this amazing performance,
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bounding from the stage
to different platforms,
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and the audience is
just like, "Wow!"
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[crowd cheering]
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The curtain opens
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and there's a silhouette
of this gorgeous woman
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with legs for days.
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And it's Rihanna.
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And everyone
goes absolutely nuts.
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You could feel the chemistry
between the two of them,
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especially from Chris,
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and we all wanted them
to be together.
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And then eventually
we found out
that they were a couple.
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Fans were
really excited to see
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the pop prince
and princess together.
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I was like,
"Yes, we love this.
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This is going to be fun.
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This is going to be great."
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It's tough to still
play the game of, like,
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"Oh, they were a power couple.
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They were so beautiful.
They were so charming.
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They were so well matched."
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He still hit her in that car.
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The Grammys, 2009,
was probably going to be
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the biggest night
of their lives, actually.
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They were 19 and 20,
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Chris was up
for two Grammy Awards,
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and he was going to
hit the stage.
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Rihanna was up
for three Grammy Awards,
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and she was going to
hit the stage
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with Justin Timberlake.
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And there were
photographs of Chris Brown
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with Rihanna at a party
the night before.
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They had left together
in Chris' rented Lamborghini.
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I'm Cheryl Dorsey,
a 20-year veteran
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of the Los Angeles
Police Department.
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I didn't really know
about Chris
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and Rihanna's
dating relationship.
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I'm a different generation,
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and so that wasn't anything
that I was really tracking.
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Until around
12:40 in the morning.
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There was a call to
dispatch 911 of an assault.
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[dispatcher] 17.
Unit 17, come in.
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[unit 17] All right, copy.
Rolling.
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It was somebody
in the Hancock Park area
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who had heard
a woman continuously
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screaming for help.
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[Cheryl] The incident report
states Chris and Rihanna
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were driving in his little
Lamborghini around town,
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Rihanna had seen
something on his phone
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that made her think that
he was dealing
with another female.
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And by his own admission,
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when she confronted him
in the car,
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he kind of got
a little annoyed with her.
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So the nerve of her
to have the temerity
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to talk to him
and ask him and question him
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about whatever it is
that he's doing.
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[Sharon] Chris tried
to shove her out of the car,
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open the car door,
and get her out of the car.
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She had her seatbelt on,
so that didn't work.
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Then he punched her
in the eye.
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He punched her
in the left eye.
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He's driving, punching her
with his right fist
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as he drives
with his left hand.
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And this goes on for blocks.
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And he kept punching her,
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and her mouth
was filling up with blood.
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Chris Brown had said to her,
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"I'm gonna beat
the S-H-I-T out of you."
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She tried to
call her assistant.
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Her assistant
didn't answer the phone.
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So she pretended that she had
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and that she was
on the phone with her,
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and she said, "Please
make sure the police are there
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when I get home."
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Likely, she was hoping
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that this would
get Chris to calm down
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and sort of
come to his senses.
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But when she said that,
he said...
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So he grabs her phone
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to prevent her
from calling anybody else
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to report what's going on
inside that vehicle.
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[Sharon] He then
put her in a choke hold,
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and it was so tight
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that she began
to lose consciousness.
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[Cheryl] She now starts
gouging at his eyes.
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[Sharon] He bit her fingers.
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And it's at that point
that she's able, probably,
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to get enough air
to just start screaming
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as loud as she can to
alert neighbors.
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[Sharon] He pulled over,
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and that's when Rihanna
sort of saw her chance.
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She grabbed the keys.
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She sat on the keys,
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but acted like she'd
thrown them out the window.
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He couldn't find the keys,
so he just left.
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So the photos of Rihanna's
face after the assault
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were released--
they were leaked by LAPD,
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which they're
not supposed to do that.
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Every woman
who has been the target
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of any sort of violence,
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she should have the right
to release the details
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that she wants to release.
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[Scaachi] The thing that was
most shocking about it
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was how brutal it looked.
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She had two large knots
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on either side of
her forehead.
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She had what looked
like a cut
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under one of her eyes.
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[Michelle] Her lip
was busted and bruised.
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She sustained other injuries
to her face
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as a result of her head
being smashed
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repeatedly against the window.
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[Sharon] The entire world
realized at that point that
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there was a darker side
to Chris Brown.
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There was a more sinister side
to Chris Brown.
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Chris Brown said himself
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he was public enemy
number one.
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[Carolyn] I teach courses
on family violence.
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When I unpack the
Chris Brown-Rihanna situation
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and the domestic violence
in my class,
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it's important that
we understand
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that domestic violence
doesn't come from nowhere.
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It doesn't just
happen out of anywhere.
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And the question is really not
"What's wrong with you?"
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but "What happened to you?"
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[Sharon] Chris is
from a small, little town
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called Tappahannock
in Virginia
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with a population of
2,000 people.
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He was very close
to his biological parents.
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But things began
to change for Chris
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when his parents split
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and his mother got remarried
to his stepfather.
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Even before what
happened with Rihanna,
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Chris had done an interview
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speaking about how
his mother dealt with abuse
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at the hands
of his stepfather.
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[interviewer] I want to talk
about your childhood.
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[Chris] I don't want to
mention the person's name,
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but like somebody
that hurt my mom.
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From the age of like seven
all the way to like thirteen,
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me seeing that and being,
you know what I'm saying,
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like, visually abused by it.
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Trauma.
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But he's talking really
very candidly
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about the trauma
that he experienced.
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Chris says that
there were many times
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that he saw his stepfather
beating on his mother.
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[Sharon]
And it was so bad at times,
he would pee on himself
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because he was too scared
to go down the hallway
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to go to the bathroom.
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Scared to get up. You know,
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I was scared to get up
and see what was going on...
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What struck me is what we call
intergenerational trauma.
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Being exposed to domestic
violence early in life
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can make it difficult for you
to have the skill set
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to have healthy relationships
later in life.
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[Sharon]
After he assaulted Rihanna,
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originally, Chris was charged
with felony assault
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and with
making criminal threats.
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The cultural perception
of Chris Brown
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just squished in an instant.
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[growls]
Chris Brown makes me angry.
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But there are
some people who feel
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that they have to
protect him at all costs.
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[Omarosa] I don't know
what was going on
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in the dynamics
of that relationship,
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but I will say this.
In this country,
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you're innocent
until proven guilty.
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[Sharon] Rihanna ended up
getting back with him
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three weeks after the assault.
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That's really not the choice
that I would have made
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if I were her.
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I think that he still needs
a lot of help
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and she needs
to move on with her life.
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They were actually
spotted in Miami,
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spending time together
at Diddy's house.
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Diddy is a rap mogul.
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He owns a lot of companies.
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Chris,
he has a history with Diddy.
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[Sharon]
At around 12 years old,
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Chris had the opportunity,
interestingly enough,
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to audition for Diddy.
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It didn't go so well.
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Diddy didn't sign him.
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Now, what's interesting
about this
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is that when you listen
to Diddy's account,
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he said that he invited
Chris and Rihanna
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to come to his home
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to have some time
to work through things.
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One thing we didn't realize
at the time
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was that Rihanna had seen
her mother be abused
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at the hands of her dad.
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[Rihanna] I couldn't
separate him as a husband,
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of him as a father.
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-Was he violent?
-Yes, he was.
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[Carolyn] What I learned
from that interview,
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he was a wonderful
father to Rihanna.
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And that's what
I would want individuals
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to understand
about domestic violence,
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is that perpetrators aren't
terrible all of the time.
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And so that is really
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what makes it
hard for victims to leave,
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because that's confusing.
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[Sharon]
Chris put out a statement
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saying that he was so sorry
for what he had done
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and telling interviewers
and journalists
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what had happened that night.
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How do you react to that?
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I don't-- like,
I just look at him like,
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"Wow, like, I'm in shock."
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Because, first of all, that's
not who I am as a person.
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[Carolyn] When he
appeared on Larry King,
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he's saying things,
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"I don't really
recall what happened,"
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or almost like he's describing
an out-of-body experience.
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He's minimizing the abuse.
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00:16:47,667 --> 00:16:49,400
[Larry] Do you
remember doing it?
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No.
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So he does not
remember hitting Rihanna.
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Is this what he's saying,
that he doesn't remember?
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You don't remember doing it?
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I don't-- I don't...
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It's like...
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It's crazy to me. Like,
I just-- I'm like, "Wow."
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Being a 20-year attorney
who's probably been involved
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in at least 150 cases
regarding domestic violence...
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for a non-weapon
physical assault
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on a domestic partner,
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that was one of
the worst I've seen.
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So, afterwards,
Chris goes to court.
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And during
the sentencing phase,
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Rihanna revealed that
this wasn't the first time
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Chris had abused her.
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She alleged that
one time in Europe,
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Chris shoved her into a wall
during an argument.
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And another time in Barbados,
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the two of them got
in a fight,
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and he smashed both passenger
windows of their car.
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He ended up getting
five years' probation
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and around six months
of community labor.
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[Freddy] The reason why
you're on felony probation,
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the court is
putting you on notice.
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Do not [bleep] up.
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[Sharon]
His career was impacted
and he lost sponsorship deals.
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Wrigley's ended up completely
severing ties with him.
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That's a lot of money
gone at that point.
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Also, the dairy industry
had a Got Milk? campaign
with Chris Brown,
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and they wanted him to
no longer be a part of that.
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So that shows you
a lot of people
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just didn't want
to support his music
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at that point in time.
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Before the assault,
his sophomore album,
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it went four times platinum.
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But in 2009, Chris released
his third studio album,
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and it's largely considered
a bit of a flop, to be honest,
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by Chris Brown standards.
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With the other two
going multi-platinum,
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this one barely went gold.
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[Scaachi] But Chris Brown,
like any celebrity,
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has that entire infrastructure
around them all the time.
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There's not just their money,
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00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,266
but they make money
for a bunch of other people.
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There's a host of executives
who are making even more money
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off of them being there
and them working.
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00:18:56,867 --> 00:18:58,567
So they have
a vested interest.
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They want to figure out a way
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to bring this man back
into the fold.
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When Michael Jackson died,
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BET was doing
a memorial for him.
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00:19:08,667 --> 00:19:09,667
[Michelle] Of course,
we're all thinking
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who's going to do
a Michael Jackson tribute?
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A lot of his fans were like,
"He's our Michael Jackson."
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So it did make sense
that BET would have him
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come in to do a tribute.
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But at the same time,
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what signal is this sending
to, you know,
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survivors and victims
of intimate partner violence?
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Famous people
are always protected.
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We've heard this before.
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We know it exists.
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00:19:34,667 --> 00:19:37,233
We've been talking about it
since Tina Turner.
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00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:40,900
We've seen
Megan Thee Stallion limping
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and bleeding in the street
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00:19:42,200 --> 00:19:45,266
after being
shot by Tory Lanez.
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We see Rihanna's battered
and bruised face,
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and we tend to believe
in this culture
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that you get a pass.
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[Scaachi] Chris Brown,
what I think is interesting
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is that BET called him
to do this performance
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after Michael Jackson died,
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00:20:03,066 --> 00:20:05,667
and then Chris is singing
"Man in the Mirror,"
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00:20:05,667 --> 00:20:06,767
and he's crying.
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00:20:06,767 --> 00:20:08,934
[singing, voice breaking]
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00:20:12,066 --> 00:20:13,900
Chris sort of takes this
as an opportunity
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to pantomime
emotions in public.
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00:20:18,066 --> 00:20:19,066
He might be crying naturally,
446
00:20:19,066 --> 00:20:21,567
but the reality is
that he's choosing a venue
447
00:20:21,567 --> 00:20:25,100
and a situation to sing
and cry at and during
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when he knows
people will watch it.
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00:20:27,700 --> 00:20:29,066
These are choices.
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These are intentional.
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00:20:30,033 --> 00:20:31,367
[Keri on video]
I'm so glad that, you know,
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people are
finally forgiving him
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00:20:32,667 --> 00:20:35,000
and finally, you know,
accepting him back
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into our good graces.
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00:20:36,166 --> 00:20:37,533
He deserves a second chance.
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00:20:37,533 --> 00:20:41,000
Reminded me of R. Kelly
after all this stuff
had come out about him.
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00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,667
He goes and curry favor
with people.
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[Dorsey] After he goes
off stage,
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00:20:45,100 --> 00:20:46,400
and then he comes back
460
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after he's kind of
gathered himself, and says...
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I just want to say one thing.
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I let you all down before,
but I won't do it again.
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00:20:51,767 --> 00:20:52,767
I promise.
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00:20:52,767 --> 00:20:54,333
I call bullshit.
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00:20:55,567 --> 00:20:58,967
[Carpenter] And Rihanna,
I think she surprised
some people.
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Come to find out Rihanna
is actually dating
Chris Brown again.
467
00:21:02,967 --> 00:21:08,667
And a really interesting night
was the Grammy Awards 2013.
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00:21:08,667 --> 00:21:11,000
They sat front row together.
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00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,066
Some of the fans
were really excited
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00:21:13,066 --> 00:21:17,100
to see the pop prince
and princess
back together again.
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00:21:17,100 --> 00:21:19,700
It was almost like
they were trying to recreate
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00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:23,634
the night that was
supposed to happen
in 2009.
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00:21:24,467 --> 00:21:25,700
There was one problem, though.
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Chris Brown was dating
another woman.
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00:21:34,300 --> 00:21:36,800
[Koul] Everyone knows
everything about Rihanna.
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00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,900
People know far less
about Karrueche Tran.
477
00:21:41,967 --> 00:21:43,300
Karrueche is a great example
478
00:21:43,300 --> 00:21:45,900
of what it would have
looked like if Rihanna
had not been famous.
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00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:51,066
[Carpenter] This was the year
after the Rihanna assault.
480
00:21:51,066 --> 00:21:54,367
Karrueche was working
for Nordstrom at the time,
481
00:21:54,367 --> 00:21:58,767
and she had dreams
of being a celebrity stylist.
482
00:21:58,767 --> 00:22:02,266
Then one day she actually
had the opportunity
to style a celebrity,
483
00:22:02,266 --> 00:22:03,600
Chris Brown.
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00:22:04,567 --> 00:22:07,867
And then, shortly after,
they started dating.
485
00:22:07,867 --> 00:22:09,867
She was around 22 years old.
486
00:22:09,867 --> 00:22:11,667
[reporters clamoring]
487
00:22:11,667 --> 00:22:14,367
Now suddenly she's thrust
into the limelight,
488
00:22:14,367 --> 00:22:17,700
and it's all eyes on her
and paparazzi following her.
489
00:22:19,567 --> 00:22:20,834
I've never dated celebrities.
490
00:22:20,834 --> 00:22:24,000
Maybe one day, we were going
to get married and have kids.
491
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:25,800
We talked about
starting a family, so...
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00:22:27,266 --> 00:22:30,500
She's so hopeful
that he'll mature.
493
00:22:30,500 --> 00:22:34,100
He'll grow into the person
that you hope that he can be.
494
00:22:34,100 --> 00:22:38,066
And that
you're willing to wait
and sacrifice yourself.
495
00:22:38,066 --> 00:22:39,567
There was one problem, though.
496
00:22:39,567 --> 00:22:42,800
At one point,
Chris was with Karrueche,
497
00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,667
and then he started
dating Rihanna again.
498
00:22:45,667 --> 00:22:49,066
And at one point
was dating them both
at the same time.
499
00:22:49,066 --> 00:22:52,300
[reporter] There was a rumor
that you guys had broken up.
500
00:22:52,300 --> 00:22:54,300
You guys are all cool, right?
501
00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:56,300
[Carpenter] Karrueche said
in an interview
502
00:22:56,300 --> 00:22:59,300
that there was one time
she was at home with Chris,
503
00:22:59,300 --> 00:23:03,667
and he said he was going to
pop out to go to the store.
504
00:23:03,667 --> 00:23:05,567
She turns on the television,
505
00:23:05,567 --> 00:23:08,000
and he's courtside
with Rihanna.
506
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,367
Not long after,
Rihanna called it off,
507
00:23:11,367 --> 00:23:13,500
and then Chris
went back to Karrueche.
508
00:23:14,767 --> 00:23:18,500
She was somebody
who really stuck
by his side through a lot.
509
00:23:19,867 --> 00:23:23,867
In 2013, he assaulted a man
outside the W Hotel.
510
00:23:23,867 --> 00:23:26,467
Chris was taking a picture
with two women,
511
00:23:26,467 --> 00:23:28,867
and this man
tried to jump in the photo.
512
00:23:28,867 --> 00:23:32,567
And then Chris punched him
and broke his nose.
513
00:23:32,567 --> 00:23:35,567
But Chris
violated his probation
in that situation,
514
00:23:35,567 --> 00:23:38,367
and he spent about
two, three months in jail.
515
00:23:38,367 --> 00:23:40,867
Because of that,
he checked himself
516
00:23:40,867 --> 00:23:45,967
into a rehab facility
for anger management.
517
00:23:45,967 --> 00:23:49,433
But Chris Brown ended up
getting kicked out.
518
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:59,000
Two weeks in,
Chris had had
a family session,
519
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,767
and Chris wanted to leave,
and his mother said,
520
00:24:01,767 --> 00:24:06,133
"No, I'd like it
if you stay in rehab,
to stick with it."
521
00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:09,266
Chris went outside,
according to a report,
522
00:24:09,266 --> 00:24:13,166
picked up a rock
and threw the rock
at his mother's car window
523
00:24:13,166 --> 00:24:14,400
and broke her window.
524
00:24:16,266 --> 00:24:19,867
If you can treat your mother
like this,
525
00:24:19,867 --> 00:24:22,900
I'm not surprised
that you treat
other people this way.
526
00:24:23,867 --> 00:24:25,467
[Carpenter]
A probation officer
527
00:24:25,467 --> 00:24:30,867
actually convinced the judge
to keep him on probation
528
00:24:30,867 --> 00:24:34,266
and in rehab
for a little longer.
529
00:24:34,266 --> 00:24:37,266
Chris was sent
to another rehab.
530
00:24:37,266 --> 00:24:38,567
They did a series of tests,
531
00:24:38,567 --> 00:24:44,333
and they found out that
Chris had bipolar disorder
and also PTSD.
532
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:46,300
Which I'm assuming
533
00:24:46,300 --> 00:24:49,600
stemmed back to what happened
in his childhood.
534
00:24:50,567 --> 00:24:53,367
[West] People are more
than their diagnosis.
535
00:24:53,367 --> 00:24:57,800
And we can't use that
as an excuse
536
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:59,667
or justification for abuse.
537
00:24:59,667 --> 00:25:03,400
You're still responsible
for what you do
538
00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,100
in terms of
harming other people.
539
00:25:07,500 --> 00:25:12,200
[Carpenter]
Chris and Karrueche dated
for about four years.
540
00:25:12,200 --> 00:25:15,166
I know that
Karrueche and Chris
541
00:25:15,166 --> 00:25:19,367
had discussed
having their own baby
at some point.
542
00:25:19,367 --> 00:25:22,200
[Koul] But then, in 2015,
Chris and Karrueche broke up
543
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,133
because Chris got
another woman pregnant
and she had a baby.
544
00:25:26,467 --> 00:25:28,967
He was very angry
about their breakup.
545
00:25:28,967 --> 00:25:31,700
He was harassing her
over text.
546
00:25:31,700 --> 00:25:34,100
[reporter] How was it
hanging out with Chris Brown?
547
00:25:34,100 --> 00:25:36,567
How was it hanging out
with Chris Brown again?
548
00:25:36,567 --> 00:25:39,567
[Carpenter]
According to a Billboard
investigative report,
549
00:25:39,567 --> 00:25:42,300
every night he was checking
her social media,
550
00:25:42,300 --> 00:25:46,300
allegedly,
to try to track down
where she was,
551
00:25:46,300 --> 00:25:49,934
what she was doing,
who she was with.
552
00:25:51,500 --> 00:25:52,700
There's a video,
553
00:25:52,700 --> 00:25:55,600
and it shows
Chris and Karrueche
walking together.
554
00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,300
[paparazzi clamoring]
555
00:25:57,300 --> 00:25:58,967
Now the paparazzi are saying,
556
00:25:58,967 --> 00:26:00,734
"Oh, are you guys
back together?"
557
00:26:01,967 --> 00:26:05,166
And then I'm like, "Wait,
what's happening here?
558
00:26:05,166 --> 00:26:08,500
Why is the friend
arguing with him?"
559
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:17,367
[Carpenter] And I realized,
"Hold on,
560
00:26:17,367 --> 00:26:19,166
did Chris just
turn up at the club
561
00:26:19,166 --> 00:26:22,500
and try to get in the car
without her approval?"
562
00:26:24,467 --> 00:26:26,166
[Koul] Chris posted
this video on Instagram.
563
00:26:26,166 --> 00:26:27,667
Guess what?
I wanted to [bleep].
564
00:26:27,667 --> 00:26:29,800
If I love you, bitch,
ain't nobody gonna have you.
565
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:31,166
I'mma make you miserable.
566
00:26:31,166 --> 00:26:32,800
I'mma chase that [bleep] out.
567
00:26:32,800 --> 00:26:34,567
I'mma chase your ass around.
568
00:26:34,567 --> 00:26:36,266
That kind of sentiment,
569
00:26:36,266 --> 00:26:38,700
men say it all the time.
They think it's romantic.
570
00:26:38,700 --> 00:26:40,000
It's not. It's creepy.
571
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,233
It's weird. It's scary.
572
00:26:41,233 --> 00:26:44,600
[reporter]
When is your hearing
for your restraining order?
573
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,900
[Dorsey] In 2017,
she comes forward
574
00:26:47,900 --> 00:26:49,367
and she tries to get
a domestic violence
575
00:26:49,367 --> 00:26:50,500
restraining order.
576
00:26:50,500 --> 00:26:53,166
One of the things
that she said
that Chris had done
577
00:26:53,166 --> 00:26:54,634
was punched her,
578
00:26:55,266 --> 00:26:57,166
had threatened her friends.
579
00:26:57,166 --> 00:26:59,367
You know, anybody
who might come to her aid.
580
00:26:59,367 --> 00:27:02,166
[Carpenter]
We found out about him
sending the text saying,
581
00:27:02,166 --> 00:27:05,700
"I'm gonna beat
the S-H-I-T out of you."
582
00:27:05,700 --> 00:27:07,100
It makes you think of Rihanna
583
00:27:07,100 --> 00:27:11,233
because that's exactly
what he said to Rihanna
in the car that night.
584
00:27:16,767 --> 00:27:21,166
[Koul] In the end,
Karrueche's restraining order
was granted.
585
00:27:21,166 --> 00:27:25,100
For me, these are all signs
of patterns of abuse,
continued behavior.
586
00:27:25,700 --> 00:27:27,467
His anger is not managed.
587
00:27:27,467 --> 00:27:30,000
He's still out of control.
588
00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:33,934
And if you cross him,
there's a price to pay.
589
00:27:39,066 --> 00:27:42,066
[Sayegh] I looked at
most of his criminal history,
590
00:27:42,066 --> 00:27:44,000
and he's got a 15-year history
591
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,567
of nearly
every year of his life
592
00:27:45,567 --> 00:27:48,800
being involved in reported
violence of some sort.
593
00:27:50,567 --> 00:27:52,266
After his relationship
with Rihanna,
594
00:27:52,266 --> 00:27:55,867
Chris Brown breaks things
on Good Morning America.
595
00:27:59,567 --> 00:28:02,000
And he also punched a man.
596
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,667
[Sayegh] That same year,
my client got rear-ended
597
00:28:04,667 --> 00:28:06,367
and he starts flipping out.
598
00:28:06,367 --> 00:28:08,934
"[bleep] you, bitch!
You know who the [bleep] I am?
599
00:28:08,934 --> 00:28:10,600
You think
you got money, bitch?"
600
00:28:10,600 --> 00:28:12,867
He gets into the vehicle
and takes off,
601
00:28:12,867 --> 00:28:15,200
creating now the misdemeanor
hit and run.
602
00:28:20,066 --> 00:28:23,667
[Koul]
He's accused of harassing
Karrueche Tran repeatedly.
603
00:28:23,667 --> 00:28:26,467
He's been sued
by his own management
for assault.
604
00:28:26,467 --> 00:28:30,100
[Carpenter] There was a report
that Chris' tour manager quit
605
00:28:30,100 --> 00:28:33,567
because Chris had flown
into an angry rage
606
00:28:33,567 --> 00:28:35,500
and threatened her.
607
00:28:35,500 --> 00:28:37,400
I didn't know that Chris Brown
had allegedly beat up
608
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:38,333
so many people.
609
00:28:40,367 --> 00:28:42,166
[Sayegh] When you look to
what he's done,
610
00:28:42,166 --> 00:28:43,934
whether it's throwing a chair
611
00:28:43,934 --> 00:28:49,100
or causing some
serious domestic violence
action against Rihanna,
612
00:28:49,100 --> 00:28:50,266
all avoidable.
613
00:28:50,266 --> 00:28:52,000
All avoidable.
614
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:55,000
[Carpenter]
But there's a long list
of various different women
615
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:58,333
who have accused Chris Brown
of assaulting them.
616
00:29:00,166 --> 00:29:01,767
[police radio chatter]
617
00:29:01,767 --> 00:29:07,533
In 2015, Chris was accused
of assaulting a woman.
618
00:29:08,734 --> 00:29:10,467
-[man] Hey!
-[woman speaking]
619
00:29:10,467 --> 00:29:12,066
[man speaking]
620
00:29:12,066 --> 00:29:13,467
This woman found out
621
00:29:13,467 --> 00:29:15,934
that Chris was doing
a music video shoot.
622
00:29:15,934 --> 00:29:18,500
She was hanging out
at the club.
623
00:29:18,500 --> 00:29:20,667
Then a member
of Chris' entourage
624
00:29:20,667 --> 00:29:22,200
apparently approached her
and said,
625
00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,467
"Hey, you want to come
and hang out with the group
that's with Chris Brown?"
626
00:29:25,467 --> 00:29:26,467
She said, "Yes."
627
00:29:26,467 --> 00:29:27,567
[man speaking]
628
00:29:27,567 --> 00:29:29,700
[woman speaking]
629
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:45,767
She says two bodyguards
grabbed her
630
00:29:45,767 --> 00:29:48,500
and then threw her
off the bus.
631
00:29:48,967 --> 00:29:51,133
[woman crying]
632
00:29:51,667 --> 00:29:53,400
[man] You seem pretty upset.
633
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,400
Are you sure you don't want me
to call a victim's advocate
to have 'em come talk to you?
634
00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:00,600
[Koul] Chris was named
as a person of interest
in the alleged assault.
635
00:30:00,600 --> 00:30:03,667
And in response,
he posts on social media,
636
00:30:03,667 --> 00:30:06,266
and then his fans
immediately jumped on it
637
00:30:06,266 --> 00:30:07,433
to discredit the accuser.
638
00:30:07,433 --> 00:30:09,000
-[fan 1] Get a job.
-[fan 2] Can you say
"groupie"?
639
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,100
[fan 3] She's known as a liar.
640
00:30:10,100 --> 00:30:11,533
[fan 4] The whole claim
was bogus.
641
00:30:13,834 --> 00:30:14,734
[official] Hey.
642
00:30:14,734 --> 00:30:16,767
[official speaking]
643
00:30:16,767 --> 00:30:18,233
[woman speaking]
644
00:30:26,567 --> 00:30:29,367
She ended up dropping the case
645
00:30:29,367 --> 00:30:32,567
because people
tracked her down
on social media.
646
00:30:32,567 --> 00:30:36,000
You know, perpetrators
just don't groom the victim.
647
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,066
They groom other people too.
648
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,667
He has enough
of a market share
649
00:30:41,667 --> 00:30:42,767
that he can have an audience
650
00:30:42,767 --> 00:30:45,467
full of sympathetic
assault deniers.
651
00:30:45,467 --> 00:30:48,000
[excited fan chatter]
652
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:52,066
[Carpenter] There are a number
of big superstars
653
00:30:52,066 --> 00:30:56,100
who have
a very diehard fan base.
654
00:30:56,100 --> 00:30:57,467
Their core fans.
655
00:30:57,467 --> 00:30:59,066
You've got Beyonce's Beehive,
656
00:30:59,066 --> 00:31:01,400
you've got
Nicki Minaj's Barbies,
657
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:02,667
Rihanna's Navy.
658
00:31:02,667 --> 00:31:04,467
And oftentimes,
659
00:31:04,467 --> 00:31:07,100
men don't have fan bases
660
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:09,367
who are quite as diehard
661
00:31:09,367 --> 00:31:11,934
as some
of the female stars do.
662
00:31:11,934 --> 00:31:13,400
But Chris Brown does.
663
00:31:19,667 --> 00:31:21,900
[excited fan chatter]
664
00:31:22,734 --> 00:31:27,200
Why would teenagers
sort of side with Chris Brown?
665
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:31,266
What I found is that
if you are exposed to violence
in your community,
666
00:31:31,266 --> 00:31:33,834
if you're exposed
to violence in your home,
667
00:31:33,834 --> 00:31:37,467
you don't label
or see the violence
in the same way
668
00:31:37,467 --> 00:31:40,600
because it is normalized
all around you.
669
00:31:41,867 --> 00:31:47,667
On top of it is a ongoing,
culturally exhausting,
670
00:31:47,667 --> 00:31:52,367
endless well of hatred
that we have for women.
671
00:31:52,367 --> 00:31:53,867
If people think
that you deserve it,
672
00:31:53,867 --> 00:31:55,467
then that's how
they're gonna talk to you.
673
00:31:55,467 --> 00:31:57,266
If people think
that you were asking for it,
674
00:31:57,266 --> 00:31:58,467
that's how
they're gonna treat you.
675
00:31:58,467 --> 00:32:01,300
If you have
any inclination towards fame,
676
00:32:01,300 --> 00:32:03,266
they'll find it
and they'll run at you
with it.
677
00:32:03,266 --> 00:32:06,000
You have to have
all of these structures
and these pieces
678
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,166
put into place perfectly
679
00:32:08,166 --> 00:32:12,967
so that an audience
believes your performance
of victimhood.
680
00:32:15,967 --> 00:32:18,467
[Gutierrez] I'm originally
from Brazil.
681
00:32:18,467 --> 00:32:23,800
I came to Las Vegas
almost 15 years ago.
682
00:32:26,767 --> 00:32:30,667
I was in the backstage
at Chris Brown's concert.
683
00:32:30,667 --> 00:32:32,367
I was there with my friend.
684
00:32:32,367 --> 00:32:34,867
The show was about to finish.
685
00:32:34,867 --> 00:32:37,600
Chris Brown's friend
come and talk to me like,
686
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,934
"Hey, we're trying
to get some girls
687
00:32:40,934 --> 00:32:43,166
to go with us
to the after party.
688
00:32:43,166 --> 00:32:44,734
Would you like to go?"
689
00:32:44,734 --> 00:32:47,100
I was like, "Yeah, sure.
Let's go. Let's do it."
690
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:51,367
I didn't even think,
"Oh, my God, this guy
that beat up Rihanna."
691
00:32:51,367 --> 00:32:52,900
I was not thinking about that.
692
00:32:52,900 --> 00:32:57,400
I was just thinking about,
"Oh, let's go to after party.
Let's go have fun."
693
00:32:58,867 --> 00:33:01,166
[Koul] She goes
to his hotel suite,
694
00:33:01,166 --> 00:33:03,600
at which point she's asked
to give up her phone.
695
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,600
They're trying to
preserve their privacy.
696
00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:07,700
They're celebrities,
they're public figures.
697
00:33:12,767 --> 00:33:15,367
So when I got there,
there was like this little bar
698
00:33:15,367 --> 00:33:17,400
and I saw cocaine.
699
00:33:17,400 --> 00:33:19,967
I saw some pills, weed.
700
00:33:19,967 --> 00:33:21,367
Everything was there.
701
00:33:21,367 --> 00:33:26,000
When I saw Chris Brown
the first time at the party,
702
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:29,433
he was acting weird,
extremely weird.
703
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:35,700
And then I decided
to grab my phone
and take a picture of him.
704
00:33:38,066 --> 00:33:41,100
To be honest,
I think I got, like,
705
00:33:41,100 --> 00:33:45,100
stuck in the moment
when I saw him acting crazy,
706
00:33:45,100 --> 00:33:47,467
and once I got my phone,
707
00:33:47,467 --> 00:33:50,000
he saw me with my phone.
708
00:33:51,266 --> 00:33:53,600
Chris Brown
punched me in the face.
709
00:33:58,266 --> 00:34:01,867
I'm not saying
that it was right
710
00:34:01,867 --> 00:34:03,767
what I did with my phone.
711
00:34:03,767 --> 00:34:05,000
I know that.
712
00:34:05,767 --> 00:34:08,800
But that
doesn't give you rights
713
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,367
to punch me in the face.
714
00:34:11,367 --> 00:34:13,133
Just kick me out of the party.
715
00:34:13,834 --> 00:34:15,967
[interviewer speaking]
716
00:34:15,967 --> 00:34:17,600
I filed a report.
717
00:34:18,266 --> 00:34:20,166
And for my surprise,
718
00:34:20,166 --> 00:34:24,233
they decided that
he didn't want to
press charges.
719
00:34:28,567 --> 00:34:31,200
So I decided
to file the lawsuit
720
00:34:31,200 --> 00:34:34,333
because I knew
I had my rights.
721
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,000
And in response,
he posts a video.
722
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:41,600
Obviously, somebody
just looking to get a check
or start some [bleep]."
723
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,400
I don't know
this old-looking [bleep].
724
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,100
This old, like, dusty--
725
00:34:46,100 --> 00:34:48,100
That just goes to show you
that he's learned nothing.
726
00:34:48,100 --> 00:34:50,000
If you came to Vegas,
you probably came to my room,
727
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:51,300
you was too ugly to get in.
728
00:34:51,300 --> 00:34:53,500
So the message is that
729
00:34:53,500 --> 00:34:57,000
somehow you have no value
or any worth to me
730
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:59,266
if you're somehow
not attracted.
731
00:34:59,266 --> 00:35:01,867
So it wasn't enough
to physically assault her,
732
00:35:01,867 --> 00:35:06,767
but then to verbally
and emotionally assault her
on social media.
733
00:35:06,767 --> 00:35:08,767
He used the same strategies
734
00:35:08,767 --> 00:35:12,300
that you would see
in intimate partner
relationships.
735
00:35:13,567 --> 00:35:18,200
Right after Chris
has his deposition,
736
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:22,000
it was the time
that his lawyers decided
to do the settlement.
737
00:35:24,834 --> 00:35:26,000
[Carpenter] Chris does say
738
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:27,667
that time and time again,
739
00:35:27,667 --> 00:35:28,667
these people are lying,
740
00:35:28,667 --> 00:35:30,000
that there's this sort of
741
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,834
negative campaign against me.
742
00:35:32,834 --> 00:35:34,667
[paparazzi clamoring]
743
00:35:34,667 --> 00:35:37,200
But he's
the common denominator.
744
00:35:39,100 --> 00:35:41,000
It does have
some people wondering,
745
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,000
"Well, if he's doing
that in public...
746
00:35:44,667 --> 00:35:46,967
what's he doing
behind closed doors?"
747
00:35:49,667 --> 00:35:52,266
[Carpenter] When you look at
Chris Brown's rap sheet,
748
00:35:52,266 --> 00:35:56,533
there are sexual assault
allegations in there as well.
749
00:35:58,567 --> 00:36:02,166
In 2017, Chris was 28,
750
00:36:02,166 --> 00:36:05,100
and the woman says
that her and a friend
751
00:36:05,100 --> 00:36:06,867
were invited to an after party
752
00:36:06,867 --> 00:36:09,100
at Chris Brown's
recording studio.
753
00:36:09,100 --> 00:36:12,233
And then, eventually,
Chris Brown's home.
754
00:36:12,233 --> 00:36:14,066
And in order
to party with them,
755
00:36:14,066 --> 00:36:15,834
they take her phone.
756
00:36:15,834 --> 00:36:17,166
She gives them her phone.
757
00:36:17,166 --> 00:36:18,467
They will not give it back
758
00:36:18,467 --> 00:36:20,133
when she says
that she wants to leave.
759
00:36:21,734 --> 00:36:23,767
[Dorsey] What this
young victim noticed
760
00:36:23,767 --> 00:36:25,834
when she first got
to Chris's house is that
761
00:36:25,834 --> 00:36:28,567
he was allegedly supplying
everybody with drugs,
762
00:36:28,567 --> 00:36:31,834
and it seemed to her
what he was trying to do
763
00:36:31,834 --> 00:36:34,200
was to get everybody's
inhibitions lowered.
764
00:36:36,867 --> 00:36:39,500
[Koul] So at the house
she's taken into another room
765
00:36:39,500 --> 00:36:41,867
where there's
a bunch of adults
766
00:36:41,867 --> 00:36:43,300
having sex with each other.
767
00:36:44,300 --> 00:36:47,967
She says that Chris asked
for the door to be barricaded.
768
00:36:48,967 --> 00:36:51,934
She claimed that
she was sexually assaulted
769
00:36:51,934 --> 00:36:54,934
multiple times
at Chris Brown's home.
770
00:36:54,934 --> 00:36:58,934
She didn't directly accuse
Chris Brown of sexual assault,
771
00:36:58,934 --> 00:37:03,266
but she did accuse him
of sort of having
this environment
772
00:37:03,266 --> 00:37:05,133
to initiate
some sort of an orgy.
773
00:37:07,066 --> 00:37:10,567
Once she got her phone back
and she left the premises,
774
00:37:10,567 --> 00:37:14,467
she reported the situation
right away to police,
775
00:37:14,467 --> 00:37:16,500
and she did a rape kit.
776
00:37:24,867 --> 00:37:26,367
Police never charged
Chris Brown,
777
00:37:26,367 --> 00:37:29,066
apparently because
of a lack of evidence.
778
00:37:29,066 --> 00:37:31,934
But there was a civil suit
that was filed,
779
00:37:31,934 --> 00:37:35,867
and then eventually
it was quietly settled.
780
00:37:35,867 --> 00:37:39,934
[Dorsey] Generally,
cases settled out of court
does not mean
781
00:37:39,934 --> 00:37:43,400
that the allegations
did not occur.
782
00:37:43,400 --> 00:37:47,734
It does not mean
that this person
was just a gold digger
783
00:37:47,734 --> 00:37:49,233
and out looking for money.
784
00:37:49,233 --> 00:37:52,166
It just means
that this entity,
785
00:37:52,166 --> 00:37:55,400
this individual
don't want it to get out.
786
00:37:58,667 --> 00:38:02,166
After that, there were
more allegations
that came forward.
787
00:38:04,166 --> 00:38:07,400
Two years later,
another woman came forward
788
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,500
accusing Chris
of aggravated rape.
789
00:38:11,033 --> 00:38:13,400
[man speaking French]
790
00:38:31,467 --> 00:38:33,166
[in English]
Paris police talked to him,
791
00:38:33,166 --> 00:38:35,000
but he was released
without any charges.
792
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,266
[Sayegh] While we all
love the theory
793
00:38:44,266 --> 00:38:46,767
that we're all equal
under the law,
794
00:38:46,767 --> 00:38:48,600
justice is not equal.
795
00:38:49,233 --> 00:38:51,266
And it also happens to those
796
00:38:51,266 --> 00:38:53,500
who have
extreme amount of wealth
797
00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,367
and extreme amounts
of celebrity.
798
00:38:55,367 --> 00:38:58,500
[Carpenter] One of
Chris Brown's attorneys
is Mark Geragos,
799
00:38:58,500 --> 00:39:02,934
and he is a renowned
defense attorney.
800
00:39:02,934 --> 00:39:05,867
He's worked with
some of the biggest stars
in the world.
801
00:39:05,867 --> 00:39:11,367
Michael Jackson, Diddy,
Winona Ryder, Nicole Richie.
802
00:39:11,367 --> 00:39:17,467
And he's really known
for keeping his celeb clients
out of jail.
803
00:39:17,467 --> 00:39:21,367
And then there was
another lawsuit
against Chris Brown
804
00:39:21,367 --> 00:39:23,734
accusing him of rape.
805
00:39:23,734 --> 00:39:25,500
[Dorsey] These are all
very different people
806
00:39:25,500 --> 00:39:28,600
in different countries now
who don't know one another
807
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:31,266
who've had
very similar allegations
808
00:39:31,266 --> 00:39:33,367
with the same
common denominator:
809
00:39:33,367 --> 00:39:34,600
Chris Brown.
810
00:39:41,100 --> 00:39:43,667
Everybody can't be lying.
811
00:39:43,667 --> 00:39:46,734
There's something here
that we at least need
to pay attention to.
812
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,066
But the problem is,
813
00:39:49,066 --> 00:39:53,367
all we know from them
is the lawsuit,
814
00:39:53,367 --> 00:39:55,300
and we never hear
from these women.
815
00:39:56,667 --> 00:40:00,033
So we never
really get the full story.
816
00:40:00,033 --> 00:40:03,533
We never get to
hear the details
straight from their mouth.
817
00:40:05,734 --> 00:40:07,800
[interviewer speaking]
818
00:40:09,100 --> 00:40:11,100
[Jane Doe breathes deeply]
819
00:40:11,100 --> 00:40:12,967
[voice distorted] Yeah. Um...
820
00:40:12,967 --> 00:40:14,300
Chris Brown raped me.
821
00:40:15,100 --> 00:40:16,166
It was rape.
822
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,500
[interviewer speaking]
823
00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:27,166
[Jane Doe] Even coming forward
as a Jane Doe,
824
00:40:27,166 --> 00:40:29,400
some people still found out
who I was
825
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,567
and I was attacked
on the media.
826
00:40:32,567 --> 00:40:33,600
Death threats.
827
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:35,100
Like, I got a lot of
different stuff
828
00:40:35,100 --> 00:40:37,000
that made it
very scary for me.
829
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,667
So even coming forward
now with this,
830
00:40:39,667 --> 00:40:42,367
I'm just hoping that
I can shed light
831
00:40:42,367 --> 00:40:43,600
to what really happened.
832
00:40:44,166 --> 00:40:45,500
[clears throat]
833
00:40:48,467 --> 00:40:51,166
I had just moved to LA.
834
00:40:51,166 --> 00:40:55,100
I was trying to pursue
a dance career,
835
00:40:55,100 --> 00:40:56,867
and it was about to be
the New Year,
836
00:40:56,867 --> 00:40:58,500
so we went out to Miami.
837
00:41:01,500 --> 00:41:02,967
It was just gonna be
me and my friend.
838
00:41:02,967 --> 00:41:05,600
But two days
before New Year's,
839
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,367
I get a FaceTime call
840
00:41:07,367 --> 00:41:10,266
and it's from this guy
I had met back in LA.
841
00:41:10,266 --> 00:41:13,367
And he's like, "Oh, hey,
I see you're in Miami."
And I'm like, "Yeah."
842
00:41:13,367 --> 00:41:15,300
Then he's like,
"Well, you should pull up.
843
00:41:15,300 --> 00:41:17,367
I'm at Diddy's house
right now."
844
00:41:17,367 --> 00:41:19,967
And then he, like,
pans the camera
and he's on a yacht.
845
00:41:19,967 --> 00:41:24,467
And it's like a big yacht,
literally, I guess,
Danny's house.
846
00:41:24,467 --> 00:41:27,300
And I was like, "Oh, okay,
well, I guess that's better
than the beach.
847
00:41:27,300 --> 00:41:28,867
So I was like, "Okay, cool."
848
00:41:28,867 --> 00:41:31,767
[Koul] Since Spring 2024,
Diddy has been the center
849
00:41:31,767 --> 00:41:35,367
of a couple of rape
and assault allegations
and investigations,
850
00:41:35,367 --> 00:41:36,567
and in September,
851
00:41:36,567 --> 00:41:39,300
he was charged
with racketeering
and sex trafficking.
852
00:41:39,300 --> 00:41:40,667
He pled not guilty.
853
00:41:40,667 --> 00:41:43,667
I think a lot of people
had heard all sorts of things
854
00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:46,066
about Diddy
throughout the years,
855
00:41:46,066 --> 00:41:49,900
but in 2020,
he wasn't being investigated.
856
00:41:50,900 --> 00:41:52,767
We get on the yacht
and it's the morning time,
857
00:41:52,767 --> 00:41:54,667
so it's like 10:00 am,
858
00:41:54,667 --> 00:41:57,500
and everybody is, like,
drunk and hungover, I guess,
859
00:41:57,500 --> 00:41:58,900
still, from the night before.
860
00:41:58,900 --> 00:42:00,166
There wasn't a lot of people.
861
00:42:00,166 --> 00:42:03,166
It was like, really,
maybe like 15 people.
862
00:42:03,166 --> 00:42:06,567
So I see Diddy.
He welcomes us
and he's really nice.
863
00:42:06,567 --> 00:42:10,066
And then I see my friend,
I go hug him.
864
00:42:10,066 --> 00:42:11,934
And then I see Chris.
865
00:42:13,266 --> 00:42:17,000
I grew up listening
to all the R&B
and everything,
866
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:18,667
but what I liked about Chris
867
00:42:18,667 --> 00:42:21,266
was, like, he was
an all-around entertainer.
868
00:42:21,266 --> 00:42:24,166
I thought it was like a sign.
869
00:42:24,166 --> 00:42:27,100
Like, hey, maybe I could
talk to this person
870
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:29,700
who is literally
the king of R&B,
871
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:32,000
and he would
maybe be able to help me
872
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,300
or guide me
or give me some advice.
873
00:42:34,300 --> 00:42:36,000
Just, if that's
the base level,
874
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,700
and then the craziest,
obvious dream would be
875
00:42:38,700 --> 00:42:41,500
like for him to, you know,
maybe putting me on his tour.
876
00:42:41,500 --> 00:42:43,100
The only thing bad about Chris
877
00:42:43,100 --> 00:42:46,266
that we all know
is that he was abusive
towards Rihanna.
878
00:42:46,266 --> 00:42:48,100
But I wasn't even
thinking about that.
879
00:42:48,100 --> 00:42:49,667
[Koul] I don't know
how old this Jane Doe is,
880
00:42:49,667 --> 00:42:53,266
but let's say this Jane Doe
is 21 or 22.
881
00:42:53,266 --> 00:42:57,266
To her, the last time
Rihanna was in the picture
with Chris Brown,
882
00:42:57,266 --> 00:42:58,567
that was 10 years earlier.
883
00:42:58,567 --> 00:43:00,900
So she was 11 or 12.
884
00:43:00,900 --> 00:43:06,500
She doesn't necessarily
understand what happened
with Rihanna.
885
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:08,667
She maybe doesn't even know
that he admitted to it.
886
00:43:08,667 --> 00:43:11,100
She doesn't know fully
that he has a predilection
887
00:43:11,100 --> 00:43:12,834
for punching women
in the face.
888
00:43:14,467 --> 00:43:15,800
Allegedly.
889
00:43:17,900 --> 00:43:20,266
[Jane Doe] Chris came over
and he was just like,
890
00:43:20,266 --> 00:43:21,567
"You know,
are you having a good time?"
891
00:43:21,567 --> 00:43:24,767
I was just like,
"Yeah, I'm good."
892
00:43:24,767 --> 00:43:26,867
And then I just
compliment him,
893
00:43:26,867 --> 00:43:28,467
like, "You're obviously
a great dancer.
894
00:43:28,467 --> 00:43:29,433
I'm a dancer, too."
895
00:43:29,433 --> 00:43:31,200
He was like, "Oh, how long
you been dancing?"
896
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,100
And I told him
I just moved to LA
897
00:43:33,100 --> 00:43:36,867
and I, you know,
want to dance.
898
00:43:36,867 --> 00:43:38,700
He's like,
"Just keep grinding,
899
00:43:38,700 --> 00:43:39,533
keep networking
900
00:43:39,533 --> 00:43:41,066
and you'll get where
you need to go."
901
00:43:41,066 --> 00:43:42,200
And I was like, "Yeah."
902
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,133
[interviewer speaking]
903
00:43:48,166 --> 00:43:51,767
We had talked
and he had handed me a drink.
904
00:43:51,767 --> 00:43:53,000
I'm not even sure.
905
00:43:53,000 --> 00:43:56,900
This is where
my memory starts getting
a little bit weird.
906
00:43:56,900 --> 00:43:59,367
So he had handed me a drink
907
00:43:59,367 --> 00:44:01,767
and I don't remember
if I saw him pour it,
908
00:44:01,767 --> 00:44:02,667
but I just drank it.
909
00:44:02,667 --> 00:44:05,166
And then he just hands me
another drink
910
00:44:05,166 --> 00:44:06,934
and I'm like,
"Okay, this is cool."
911
00:44:08,667 --> 00:44:10,667
And so as I'm staying there,
912
00:44:10,667 --> 00:44:14,867
I did start to feel like,
just kind of tired,
913
00:44:14,867 --> 00:44:17,400
and my body was just
feeling like a little heavy
or whatever,
914
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:18,500
and he was just like,
915
00:44:18,500 --> 00:44:20,066
"You know,
it's kind of loud out here.
916
00:44:20,066 --> 00:44:22,000
Do you want to go
towards the back?"
917
00:44:23,567 --> 00:44:24,834
And I was like, " Sure."
918
00:44:24,834 --> 00:44:26,567
So I'm like,
"Oh, he's gonna take me
on a tour of the yacht.
919
00:44:26,567 --> 00:44:27,967
This is great."
920
00:44:27,967 --> 00:44:31,166
We go down to the back
and it's like a bedroom.
921
00:44:31,166 --> 00:44:34,166
And then he, like,
kind of just sprawls out
on the bed.
922
00:44:34,166 --> 00:44:37,600
And so we're just
talking, talking,
923
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:40,066
and I hate
that I can't really...
924
00:44:40,066 --> 00:44:42,300
[voice breaking] even remember
what we were talking about.
925
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:48,066
I just, I remember
I did lay back.
926
00:44:48,066 --> 00:44:48,900
[sniffles]
927
00:44:51,567 --> 00:44:55,634
And I'm like,
"Why can't I get up?"
928
00:44:56,467 --> 00:44:58,800
The next thing I knew,
he was on top of me.
929
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:00,767
I couldn't move.
930
00:45:00,767 --> 00:45:04,600
And I said no,
and then I felt him...
931
00:45:10,166 --> 00:45:12,767
Yeah, next thing I knew,
he was, like, inside me,
932
00:45:12,767 --> 00:45:14,300
and I didn't want...
933
00:45:14,300 --> 00:45:15,667
He was just like, "It's okay."
934
00:45:15,667 --> 00:45:18,600
And he's, like, kissing me
to stop me from talking.
935
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:24,100
And then I felt him,
like, [bleep] inside of me,
936
00:45:24,100 --> 00:45:28,000
and I was just, like,
so disgusted.
937
00:45:28,767 --> 00:45:31,867
He grabbed my phone
and he was like,
938
00:45:31,867 --> 00:45:33,500
"Now, when you
come back to LA,
939
00:45:33,500 --> 00:45:35,367
like, you know,
you can just hit me up."
940
00:45:35,367 --> 00:45:38,100
He puts his number in
and texts himself, "Hey."
941
00:45:38,100 --> 00:45:39,300
[sniffling]
942
00:45:39,767 --> 00:45:42,266
That is not uncommon,
943
00:45:42,266 --> 00:45:43,667
especially if somebody
944
00:45:43,667 --> 00:45:46,700
has taken advantage
of someone.
945
00:45:46,700 --> 00:45:49,600
It makes more sense
to keep them close,
946
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:51,667
to send them positive messages
947
00:45:51,667 --> 00:45:54,066
and making sure
that they're not going
948
00:45:54,066 --> 00:45:57,000
and reporting anything
and that it's all good.
949
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,400
[Jane Doe] Most girls,
I think, would be happy
950
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,500
that, "Oh, my God,
I got to have sex
with Chris Brown."
951
00:46:02,500 --> 00:46:03,867
I didn't want that.
952
00:46:03,867 --> 00:46:06,266
Like, this is not
what I wanted.
953
00:46:06,266 --> 00:46:07,400
[sniffles]
954
00:46:16,467 --> 00:46:18,400
[West] This woman
is describing
955
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,700
how non-stranger
rapists operate.
956
00:46:21,700 --> 00:46:25,300
A researcher
did a study on men
957
00:46:25,300 --> 00:46:28,400
who had committed rape
on college campus.
958
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:30,867
There was a real clear pattern
959
00:46:30,867 --> 00:46:33,266
about how
these rapists operate.
960
00:46:33,266 --> 00:46:35,367
First, they target select.
961
00:46:35,367 --> 00:46:39,367
So the predator's gonna go to
some kind of social setting.
962
00:46:39,367 --> 00:46:41,567
They're not gonna
select the person
963
00:46:41,567 --> 00:46:45,767
who is powerful or successful
or credible,
964
00:46:45,767 --> 00:46:49,100
if they went to the police,
would immediately be believed.
965
00:46:49,100 --> 00:46:51,367
They're gonna select
a person who's vulnerable,
966
00:46:51,367 --> 00:46:54,266
who's new to town
or needy in some way.
967
00:46:54,266 --> 00:46:58,400
So here's a woman
new to Los Angeles,
968
00:46:58,400 --> 00:47:00,367
trying to make it
in the business,
969
00:47:00,367 --> 00:47:02,867
hoping for that big break.
970
00:47:02,867 --> 00:47:09,000
The perpetrators
will also manipulate you
with drugs or alcohol.
971
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,100
The third step
is increasing vulnerability.
972
00:47:12,100 --> 00:47:13,800
"Oh, it's really noisy
down here.
973
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:15,967
Let's go somewhere and talk."
974
00:47:15,967 --> 00:47:19,266
And then take the young woman
back to the room.
975
00:47:19,266 --> 00:47:22,467
Here she is, impaired,
with a strange man,
976
00:47:22,467 --> 00:47:24,767
and then they would
initiate the assault.
977
00:47:24,767 --> 00:47:27,600
They didn't have to physically
use a lot of violence.
978
00:47:27,600 --> 00:47:31,600
And then you go away
from that interaction
and think,
979
00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:34,200
"How did I get myself
in this situation?"
980
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,467
My brain is just like really
981
00:47:35,467 --> 00:47:37,367
trying to rationalize
what just happened.
982
00:47:37,367 --> 00:47:38,467
"How did this happen?"
983
00:47:38,467 --> 00:47:39,867
Did I agree to this?
984
00:47:39,867 --> 00:47:41,066
"This is my fault."
985
00:47:41,066 --> 00:47:43,300
It's like, I'm even...
I'm confused myself.
986
00:47:43,300 --> 00:47:45,000
"I should have
seen the signs."
987
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,100
I didn't want anyone to know.
988
00:47:47,100 --> 00:47:49,066
I was just, like,
so embarrassed.
989
00:47:49,066 --> 00:47:52,600
[West] But what
they don't understand
is that it didn't just happen.
990
00:47:55,066 --> 00:47:56,667
The perpetrator set it up.
991
00:47:56,667 --> 00:47:59,667
[Jane Doe] When we did leave,
he texted me.
992
00:47:59,667 --> 00:48:03,600
He was just like,
"Hey, it was nice
meeting you,
993
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,233
and, oh, yeah,
would you mind, like,
grabbing a Plan B?"
994
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:13,667
And I was just like,
"What the [bleep]?"
995
00:48:13,667 --> 00:48:15,367
Like, I was like...
996
00:48:15,367 --> 00:48:16,533
You know,
but I was actually like,
997
00:48:16,533 --> 00:48:19,166
"This is a good idea
because I don't want
any of this."
998
00:48:19,166 --> 00:48:20,400
I didn't want any of this.
999
00:48:23,300 --> 00:48:25,266
And so I did, and I took it,
1000
00:48:25,266 --> 00:48:26,767
and then, like the next day...
1001
00:48:26,767 --> 00:48:28,700
I don't know
if I should talk about this
1002
00:48:28,700 --> 00:48:32,900
or if this was known
that I texted about sex again.
1003
00:48:32,900 --> 00:48:37,100
There's so much work
that women do
after they're assaulted
1004
00:48:37,100 --> 00:48:41,767
to wrestle control back
of the story
we tell ourselves.
1005
00:48:41,767 --> 00:48:43,367
I was actually really hurt.
1006
00:48:43,367 --> 00:48:45,567
So I was still trying to,
like, you know,
1007
00:48:45,567 --> 00:48:47,700
salvage what could happen.
1008
00:48:47,700 --> 00:48:49,266
And what we end up doing
1009
00:48:49,266 --> 00:48:51,867
is lying to ourselves
a little bit.
1010
00:48:51,867 --> 00:48:53,800
"Look at this famous guy
who gave me his phone number.
1011
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:56,400
Something must have
gone right.
1012
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,266
Maybe if I see him again,
maybe everything will be okay,
1013
00:48:59,266 --> 00:49:00,500
and then
I don't have to investigate
1014
00:49:00,500 --> 00:49:02,367
this life event
that's happened to me."
1015
00:49:02,367 --> 00:49:05,166
Maybe I just do need
to get more clarity,
1016
00:49:05,166 --> 00:49:08,266
and that's why I still did
continue to talk to him
1017
00:49:08,266 --> 00:49:09,834
when I went back to LA.
1018
00:49:19,266 --> 00:49:21,266
Then he, like, FaceTimed me,
1019
00:49:21,266 --> 00:49:23,000
and he never
really brought it up.
1020
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:25,867
It was like a weird position
of, like, this person
1021
00:49:25,867 --> 00:49:28,600
who just did
this bad thing to me,
1022
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:30,500
but now he's still
being nice to me.
1023
00:49:30,500 --> 00:49:33,800
And so I was like,
well, maybe he is sorry
1024
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:36,000
and people do make mistakes
and other things,
1025
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,500
and I still was so confused.
1026
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,367
[West] We have
a lot of stereotypes
about rape,
1027
00:49:45,367 --> 00:49:48,567
but if you're not ready
to acknowledge it to yourself,
1028
00:49:48,567 --> 00:49:51,133
we call those
unacknowledged victims.
1029
00:49:53,567 --> 00:49:57,867
So out of the...
he would he randomly call me,
like, every few weeks.
1030
00:49:57,867 --> 00:50:00,567
It was kind of more
getting into a sexual nature,
1031
00:50:00,567 --> 00:50:01,767
like, he was just like,
1032
00:50:01,767 --> 00:50:04,600
"Show me what you're wearing,"
and "Oh, you look so good,"
1033
00:50:04,600 --> 00:50:06,100
and whatever.
1034
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:11,900
Then he would sometimes say,
like, "Oh, send me a picture,"
1035
00:50:11,900 --> 00:50:13,567
or "Send me something sexy."
1036
00:50:13,567 --> 00:50:15,767
And so he would say that
over the phone.
1037
00:50:15,767 --> 00:50:17,867
And so then
I would text it to him,
1038
00:50:17,867 --> 00:50:19,100
and then
that's what it mainly was.
1039
00:50:19,100 --> 00:50:20,900
Over the course
of the next months,
1040
00:50:20,900 --> 00:50:23,767
most of our communication
was like FaceTime.
1041
00:50:23,767 --> 00:50:25,066
And now that I'm looking back,
I'm like,
1042
00:50:25,066 --> 00:50:26,700
"Oh, the FaceTime
covered your tracks
1043
00:50:26,700 --> 00:50:29,066
'cause I can't prove
anything you say."
1044
00:50:29,066 --> 00:50:31,467
But the thing that I saw
he was responding mainly to
1045
00:50:31,467 --> 00:50:34,467
was like me being
sexy and stuff.
1046
00:50:34,467 --> 00:50:36,800
Like, "Okay, like,
let me just..."
1047
00:50:36,800 --> 00:50:39,266
At this point,
I had convinced myself.
1048
00:50:39,266 --> 00:50:42,100
I was like, "Well, this is
what I gotta do,
and this is it."
1049
00:50:42,100 --> 00:50:43,900
[Jane Doe
speaking on voicemail]
1050
00:51:02,266 --> 00:51:05,367
[Taylor] She wants
the connection because
that's keeping her
1051
00:51:05,367 --> 00:51:08,667
from kind of moving into
that space of "I was raped."
1052
00:51:08,667 --> 00:51:13,767
Because if he then stops,
that makes things very real.
1053
00:51:13,767 --> 00:51:15,467
And that's when I did
start going to therapy,
1054
00:51:15,467 --> 00:51:19,700
and I finally was able
to, like, open up about
what really happened.
1055
00:51:19,700 --> 00:51:21,867
And it's like a long time.
1056
00:51:21,867 --> 00:51:23,400
[interviewer speaking]
1057
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:31,934
[sighs] Yeah. Um...
1058
00:51:32,567 --> 00:51:33,934
Chris Brown raped me.
1059
00:51:36,166 --> 00:51:37,200
And I can say that,
1060
00:51:37,200 --> 00:51:39,000
and I know it for a fact
1061
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:42,900
instead of telling myself
that I wasn't...
1062
00:51:44,467 --> 00:51:46,033
and it was. It was rape.
1063
00:51:56,100 --> 00:51:59,000
My name is
Ariel Mitchell, Esq.
1064
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:01,467
There was a case
I was already working on,
1065
00:52:01,467 --> 00:52:05,100
and one of the clients
in that case,
1066
00:52:05,100 --> 00:52:06,567
she had posted on Twitter
1067
00:52:06,567 --> 00:52:08,367
that she had been
sexually assaulted.
1068
00:52:08,367 --> 00:52:11,000
[Jane Doe] I had been
seeing in the media
1069
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:12,767
something similar
had happened to this girl.
1070
00:52:12,767 --> 00:52:14,467
And so there was this website
1071
00:52:14,467 --> 00:52:16,367
where you could
leave a comment,
and so I did.
1072
00:52:16,367 --> 00:52:17,867
Probably saw an opportunity
1073
00:52:17,867 --> 00:52:20,400
to support a girl
with my story.
1074
00:52:20,400 --> 00:52:22,567
And the legal team
reached out to me.
1075
00:52:22,567 --> 00:52:27,900
She tells me
that she was at Diddy's house
and was sexually assaulted.
1076
00:52:27,900 --> 00:52:29,500
But it was Chris Brown.
1077
00:52:30,767 --> 00:52:33,266
I thought, "How do I
help this young lady?
1078
00:52:33,266 --> 00:52:35,867
How do I even
verify her story?"
1079
00:52:35,867 --> 00:52:38,967
So certain things
I didn't have anymore
1080
00:52:38,967 --> 00:52:40,600
because I had got a new phone,
1081
00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:43,100
and so I didn't have
all of the exact texts.
1082
00:52:43,100 --> 00:52:44,333
I just had
certain screenshots.
1083
00:52:44,333 --> 00:52:48,000
[Mitchell]
But in this situation,
we had, at least enough,
1084
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:50,233
for me to verify
you were there.
1085
00:52:50,800 --> 00:52:52,000
He was there.
1086
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:53,567
It occurred on this day.
1087
00:52:53,567 --> 00:52:55,767
And then she also provided us
some messages
1088
00:52:55,767 --> 00:52:57,500
from after that time
to support.
1089
00:52:57,500 --> 00:52:58,667
They were like,
1090
00:52:58,667 --> 00:53:00,066
"Hey, you might have
a case as well,"
1091
00:53:00,066 --> 00:53:01,567
and I was like, "Oh.
1092
00:53:01,567 --> 00:53:03,400
That wasn't the intention."
1093
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,100
And he was like,
"Well, maybe you should try.
1094
00:53:05,100 --> 00:53:06,400
We can keep you anonymous.
1095
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:08,266
It would help other people
to come forward too."
1096
00:53:08,266 --> 00:53:10,033
We filed
and made it go public.
1097
00:53:12,667 --> 00:53:15,400
The media response
was overwhelming.
1098
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:19,967
Chris Brown
is going to turn around
and decide to rape a gal.
1099
00:53:19,967 --> 00:53:23,567
I think it's highly...
it's highly unlikely.
1100
00:53:23,567 --> 00:53:25,367
Chris Brown
is in trouble again.
1101
00:53:25,367 --> 00:53:27,266
Let's talk about
the $20 million lawsuit
1102
00:53:27,266 --> 00:53:28,967
filed against Chris Brown
for alleged rape.
1103
00:53:28,967 --> 00:53:30,467
Now he's being sued
by a woman.
1104
00:53:30,467 --> 00:53:32,000
$20 million lawsuit.
1105
00:53:32,000 --> 00:53:34,000
[people echoing] $20 million.
1106
00:53:35,667 --> 00:53:39,166
We hear what we consider
astronomical numbers,
1107
00:53:39,166 --> 00:53:42,100
but it's about penalty.
1108
00:53:42,100 --> 00:53:43,367
It's about punitive.
1109
00:53:43,367 --> 00:53:46,600
If I go assault somebody
and it's only gonna
cost me ten grand,
1110
00:53:47,867 --> 00:53:50,100
what is that when
I'm a multi-millionaire,
right?
1111
00:53:50,100 --> 00:53:52,867
Punish them
so they don't do it again.
1112
00:53:52,867 --> 00:53:55,000
[Koul] If you don't go
through the civil courts,
then what are you left with?
1113
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,667
But if you just
dash off a blog post
1114
00:53:57,667 --> 00:53:59,367
or you do an interview
or whatever else,
1115
00:53:59,367 --> 00:54:00,634
what do you get there?
1116
00:54:00,634 --> 00:54:03,166
More people saying
that you're making it up
for attention.
1117
00:54:03,166 --> 00:54:06,367
So she's either making it up
for attention or for money,
1118
00:54:06,367 --> 00:54:08,266
or she's got to
shut the [bleep] up.
1119
00:54:08,266 --> 00:54:10,000
Those are the three options.
1120
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:11,467
There's a secret fourth,
1121
00:54:11,467 --> 00:54:13,367
which is that
the justice system takes over
1122
00:54:13,367 --> 00:54:15,367
and does
what it's supposed to do.
1123
00:54:15,367 --> 00:54:17,967
[Mitchell] So we actually
had a conversation
1124
00:54:17,967 --> 00:54:19,567
with the police department.
1125
00:54:19,567 --> 00:54:22,367
I feel like the police
were there because of
the media attention.
1126
00:54:22,367 --> 00:54:24,266
The Miami Police detective
1127
00:54:24,266 --> 00:54:28,967
said that she had
received information
from Chris Brown's team
1128
00:54:28,967 --> 00:54:30,166
and that
their version of events
1129
00:54:30,166 --> 00:54:32,900
was that my client
was a crazed fan.
1130
00:54:32,900 --> 00:54:34,700
[Carpenter]
Here's the thing, though.
1131
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:39,867
Police found out
that this woman
had sent a text to Chris
1132
00:54:39,867 --> 00:54:41,867
the next day
after it had happened,
1133
00:54:41,867 --> 00:54:46,367
and she says,
"I just want to be
with you again sexually."
1134
00:54:46,367 --> 00:54:49,000
[Mitchell] Once these messages
had come out,
1135
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:52,100
we were just like,
"Well, why didn't you
give us this initially?"
1136
00:54:52,100 --> 00:54:53,767
She told me something about
1137
00:54:53,767 --> 00:54:56,867
her phone auto deleted
all the messages after a year,
1138
00:54:56,867 --> 00:54:57,867
and she switched service,
1139
00:54:57,867 --> 00:55:01,266
so she didn't have
those old messages anymore.
1140
00:55:01,266 --> 00:55:04,300
[Carpenter] Also, Chris Brown
had some text messages
1141
00:55:04,300 --> 00:55:07,667
that she had just sent to him
over months.
1142
00:55:07,667 --> 00:55:09,900
Not only that,
he also had a voicemail
1143
00:55:09,900 --> 00:55:11,700
that she had left for him.
1144
00:55:11,700 --> 00:55:12,867
[Jane Doe in voicemail]
Just let me know.
1145
00:55:12,867 --> 00:55:15,100
You want me
to leave you alone,
I definitely will.
1146
00:55:15,100 --> 00:55:17,367
She had sent him a nude photo.
1147
00:55:17,367 --> 00:55:20,900
Then Chris ghosted her
and he didn't text her back.
1148
00:55:20,900 --> 00:55:23,000
And then she sent an emoji
1149
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:25,166
with sort of tears
in the eyes.
1150
00:55:25,166 --> 00:55:27,000
[Mitchell] These messages
are messages
1151
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,200
that Chris Brown and his team
provided to the police.
1152
00:55:30,200 --> 00:55:33,000
There's only one side
of the conversation here,
1153
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:36,900
and she's just texting a ghost
from the end of January...
1154
00:55:38,567 --> 00:55:40,266
to August.
1155
00:55:40,266 --> 00:55:41,567
[Jane Doe] And the way
he provided the messages,
1156
00:55:41,567 --> 00:55:43,667
it made it look like
I was talking to myself.
1157
00:55:43,667 --> 00:55:47,266
Like I was just
sending him pictures
and voice notes and stuff
1158
00:55:47,266 --> 00:55:49,867
and asking to come over
and all this.
1159
00:55:49,867 --> 00:55:52,100
But it was not that.
1160
00:55:52,100 --> 00:55:56,567
My client was able to provide
alternative messages
1161
00:55:56,567 --> 00:56:00,767
that actually included
the deleted messages
from Chris.
1162
00:56:00,767 --> 00:56:05,500
He was not just ignoring her.
He was keeping it going.
1163
00:56:05,967 --> 00:56:07,800
But it was hard to verify
1164
00:56:07,800 --> 00:56:10,767
which series of text messages
were accurate.
1165
00:56:10,767 --> 00:56:13,300
That became a separate issue
because now it's like,
1166
00:56:13,300 --> 00:56:18,767
"Okay, well, is my client
fabricating evidence
to the police?"
1167
00:56:18,767 --> 00:56:22,600
I believe that Chris deleted
all of his responses
to those messages.
1168
00:56:31,700 --> 00:56:33,467
[Mitchell] So my policy
is very simple.
1169
00:56:33,467 --> 00:56:36,400
I need to know everything.
1170
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:41,100
I think maybe she didn't
come forward with these
1171
00:56:41,100 --> 00:56:42,900
'cause she wouldn't have to
go through
1172
00:56:42,900 --> 00:56:44,567
an additional line
of questioning of,
1173
00:56:44,567 --> 00:56:47,467
"Well, why were you
just being chill with him?"
1174
00:56:47,467 --> 00:56:48,800
Which is understandable.
1175
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:54,767
In all honesty,
I was concerned about
if it was a situation of
1176
00:56:54,767 --> 00:56:56,300
"Do these messages
just not exist,
1177
00:56:56,300 --> 00:56:58,667
or do they just not exist
to me right now?"
1178
00:56:58,667 --> 00:57:00,066
Which are two
different things.
1179
00:57:01,367 --> 00:57:05,967
So we had went so far
as trying to get subpoenas
1180
00:57:05,967 --> 00:57:08,000
for the telephone companies
1181
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:10,767
to recover, possibly,
the messages.
1182
00:57:10,767 --> 00:57:14,900
Which, apparently,
is very difficult
and very expensive.
1183
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:19,100
Now we're only left
with the messages from Chris
1184
00:57:19,100 --> 00:57:22,200
when we have no evidence
to contradict.
1185
00:57:22,200 --> 00:57:24,767
It was almost like
a lot of egg on my face
1186
00:57:24,767 --> 00:57:27,867
because I had a lot of people
personally contact me and say,
1187
00:57:27,867 --> 00:57:30,233
"That's what you get
for going up against
Chris Brown."
1188
00:57:40,166 --> 00:57:44,000
Under no circumstance
do I believe Chris is innocent
1189
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:45,467
or that this didn't happen.
1190
00:57:45,467 --> 00:57:46,767
And I informed my client.
1191
00:57:46,767 --> 00:57:50,467
I said, "Don't take
this representation
and us not continuing
1192
00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:54,500
as a means to not pursue this
with another attorney."
1193
00:57:54,500 --> 00:57:59,166
And I just think she just
was so saddened by the process
1194
00:57:59,166 --> 00:58:00,467
that she didn't
even want to tell
1195
00:58:00,467 --> 00:58:02,500
another set of attorneys
what had happened.
1196
00:58:06,500 --> 00:58:07,567
It was heartbreaking.
1197
00:58:07,567 --> 00:58:11,467
Honestly,
I was so heartbroken,
1198
00:58:11,467 --> 00:58:13,133
I cried the whole day.
1199
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,467
I knew I was going like
David and Goliath,
1200
00:58:16,467 --> 00:58:17,467
but in real life,
1201
00:58:17,467 --> 00:58:21,500
a rock is not gonna do
anything to a big giant.
1202
00:58:23,467 --> 00:58:27,166
[Mitchell] I absolutely feel
that the industry
is protecting Chris Brown
1203
00:58:27,166 --> 00:58:29,667
and individuals like him.
1204
00:58:29,667 --> 00:58:32,500
They say with great power
comes great responsibility,
but not here.
1205
00:58:32,500 --> 00:58:34,600
With great power
comes great abuse.
1206
00:58:34,600 --> 00:58:37,066
[people clamoring]
1207
00:58:37,066 --> 00:58:38,100
[Koul] What happened
with Rihanna
1208
00:58:38,100 --> 00:58:39,033
happened with a famous person,
1209
00:58:39,033 --> 00:58:41,600
and there were visuals
for us to look at.
1210
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:44,467
But everybody after her
wasn't really famous.
1211
00:58:44,467 --> 00:58:45,867
Several of these women
don't even have names.
1212
00:58:45,867 --> 00:58:47,800
With everybody else,
he can just say,
1213
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:49,867
"Oh, it's bullshit. She lied.
1214
00:58:49,867 --> 00:58:52,200
And they will give me
the benefit of the doubt
1215
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:53,467
before they give it
to some woman
1216
00:58:53,467 --> 00:58:55,367
they've never
heard of before."
1217
00:58:55,367 --> 00:58:57,100
I just think
he's a violent person,
1218
00:58:57,100 --> 00:58:58,100
personally.
1219
00:58:58,100 --> 00:59:00,367
You're supposed to mature
as you get older.
1220
00:59:00,367 --> 00:59:03,400
He's got 15, at least,
1221
00:59:03,400 --> 00:59:07,400
cases of reported,
whether criminally
or civil actions against him,
1222
00:59:07,400 --> 00:59:09,367
causing acts of violence.
1223
00:59:09,367 --> 00:59:11,467
And just recently,
out of Texas,
1224
00:59:11,467 --> 00:59:12,867
a $50 million lawsuit.
1225
00:59:12,867 --> 00:59:14,600
This isn't
a domestic violence case,
1226
00:59:14,600 --> 00:59:16,233
but reported violence.
1227
00:59:18,867 --> 00:59:21,800
But look how long it took
for R. Kelly to fall.
1228
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:26,266
It wasn't good enough
that we had video of him
peeing on a young girl.
1229
00:59:26,266 --> 00:59:27,967
That wasn't gonna do it.
1230
00:59:27,967 --> 00:59:30,667
It took things
like a docuseries.
1231
00:59:30,667 --> 00:59:33,300
It took the power
of the media.
1232
00:59:34,066 --> 00:59:36,066
The same thing
that builds them
1233
00:59:36,066 --> 00:59:39,100
has to be the same thing
that destroys them.
1234
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,300
[inhales deeply] And I just...
1235
00:59:45,467 --> 00:59:47,500
I wish it didn't happen.
Like, I wish...
1236
00:59:48,767 --> 00:59:51,300
I can go back
and never go in that yacht
1237
00:59:53,100 --> 00:59:54,734
and just be a normal girl
1238
00:59:56,200 --> 00:59:58,467
and I didn't
have to go through all this,
but I did.
1239
00:59:58,467 --> 01:00:00,300
[sniffles]
1240
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:07,066
[West] Domestic violence
thrives on silence,
secrecy and shame.
1241
01:00:07,066 --> 01:00:10,900
So it's all around us
all of the time,
1242
01:00:10,900 --> 01:00:12,900
but we don't talk about it.
1243
01:00:12,900 --> 01:00:15,467
Unless people
start speaking up
1244
01:00:15,467 --> 01:00:17,166
and that people actually stop
1245
01:00:17,166 --> 01:00:19,467
victim blaming the people
who do speak up,
1246
01:00:19,467 --> 01:00:22,000
then that's the only way
that he can be stopped.
1247
01:00:24,567 --> 01:00:27,967
[Dorsey] Chris Brown
is an amazing
and talented musician,
1248
01:00:27,967 --> 01:00:30,266
but let's call a thing
a thing.
1249
01:00:30,266 --> 01:00:33,000
I think
he's an abuser of women.
1250
01:00:33,867 --> 01:00:36,834
Consistently,
unapologetically.
1251
01:00:38,900 --> 01:00:41,667
[Taylor] And we have to
talk about holding
ourselves accountable.
1252
01:00:41,667 --> 01:00:43,600
Okay, why continue
to support people
1253
01:00:43,600 --> 01:00:46,100
that we know
are harmful people?
1254
01:00:46,100 --> 01:00:47,600
What does that say about us?
1255
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:48,767
We can make the argument
1256
01:00:48,767 --> 01:00:51,166
that the situation
with Rihanna happened
15 years ago.
1257
01:00:51,166 --> 01:00:53,300
Maybe she's forgiven him,
she's moved on.
1258
01:00:53,300 --> 01:00:54,734
Maybe a lot of people have.
1259
01:00:54,734 --> 01:00:59,500
But don't forget
that there have been
several instances since then.
1260
01:01:00,867 --> 01:01:04,000
Don't forget Paris.
Don't forget Vegas.
1261
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:05,266
Don't forget the yacht.
1262
01:01:05,266 --> 01:01:07,200
Don't forget the after party.
1263
01:01:07,200 --> 01:01:08,467
[man] Back up!
Back up! Back up!
1264
01:01:08,467 --> 01:01:10,266
[Taylor] Don't forget
Karrueche Tran.
1265
01:01:10,266 --> 01:01:13,600
Don't forget
Good Morning America.
1266
01:01:13,600 --> 01:01:16,400
Don't forget him
throwing a brick
1267
01:01:16,400 --> 01:01:18,700
through his mother's
car windshield.
1268
01:01:19,600 --> 01:01:22,367
Don't forget all these stories
1269
01:01:22,367 --> 01:01:26,066
that have come from people
that have felt like
they weren't heard.
1270
01:01:26,066 --> 01:01:28,266
[woman crying]
1271
01:01:28,266 --> 01:01:30,400
Don't forget that they exist.
1272
01:01:31,266 --> 01:01:32,500
[sniffles]
1273
01:01:32,500 --> 01:01:36,467
As long as anybody is a victim
of intimate partner violence,
1274
01:01:36,467 --> 01:01:37,667
we have to talk about it.
1275
01:01:37,667 --> 01:01:39,800
That no one gets a pass.
1276
01:01:51,367 --> 01:01:54,900
Domestic violence goes beyond
the story of one celebrity.
1277
01:01:58,667 --> 01:02:00,500
Intimate partner violence
alone affects
1278
01:02:00,500 --> 01:02:02,700
more than 10 million people
each year
1279
01:02:02,700 --> 01:02:05,667
across every race,
class and gender.
1280
01:02:05,667 --> 01:02:07,367
My name is Sunny Hostin.
1281
01:02:07,367 --> 01:02:09,867
For years, I was
a federal prosecutor
1282
01:02:09,867 --> 01:02:11,500
and a voice for victims,
1283
01:02:11,500 --> 01:02:13,266
especially the ones impacted
1284
01:02:13,266 --> 01:02:15,000
by domestic violence.
1285
01:02:15,000 --> 01:02:18,000
It's an epidemic
that hides in plain sight.
1286
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:19,900
And so to expose
the ugly truth
1287
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:21,166
around this issue,
1288
01:02:21,166 --> 01:02:23,166
I'm sitting
with the organization
1289
01:02:23,166 --> 01:02:25,266
that has answered
more than 7 million calls
1290
01:02:25,266 --> 01:02:27,300
for support and safety,
1291
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,467
and a woman,
1292
01:02:29,467 --> 01:02:32,567
whose crowning moment was not
only winning a beauty pageant,
1293
01:02:32,567 --> 01:02:35,567
but bravely calling out
her abuser in public.
1294
01:02:35,567 --> 01:02:38,100
Because my abuser is
here today.
1295
01:02:38,100 --> 01:02:42,000
And later, ID's
No Excuse For Abuse partner,
1296
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:44,100
who has
the only global directory
1297
01:02:44,100 --> 01:02:46,033
of helplines and services.
1298
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:49,300
A look at how
a blockbuster movie sparked
1299
01:02:49,300 --> 01:02:50,867
dialogue and awareness.
1300
01:02:50,867 --> 01:02:52,367
More on that later.
1301
01:02:52,367 --> 01:02:55,266
But first, we have
pop culture writer,
1302
01:02:55,266 --> 01:02:56,300
Scaachi Koul.
1303
01:02:56,667 --> 01:02:57,767
Thanks for joining me.
1304
01:02:57,767 --> 01:02:58,967
Thanks for having me.
1305
01:02:58,967 --> 01:03:00,600
You know, what struck me
1306
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,100
was that the assault
on Rihanna was
1307
01:03:03,100 --> 01:03:04,467
over 15 years ago.
1308
01:03:04,467 --> 01:03:06,367
But I remember it
like it was yesterday...
1309
01:03:06,367 --> 01:03:08,667
-Mm-hmm.
-...because I remember
being in the courtroom.
1310
01:03:08,667 --> 01:03:11,300
But I just recently
had a friend
1311
01:03:11,300 --> 01:03:14,367
take her son
and a group of other children
1312
01:03:14,367 --> 01:03:15,767
to a Chris Brown concert.
1313
01:03:15,767 --> 01:03:17,400
And when they came back,
1314
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:19,000
I was sort of shocked.
1315
01:03:19,000 --> 01:03:22,900
And I said to her
and to the teenagers,
1316
01:03:22,900 --> 01:03:26,700
"Do you know that he really,
really hurt Rihanna?"
1317
01:03:26,700 --> 01:03:28,500
-Mm-hmm.
-They had no idea.
1318
01:03:28,500 --> 01:03:30,500
And then I showed them
the pictures.
1319
01:03:30,500 --> 01:03:32,000
The reactions were different.
1320
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:34,667
One 14-year-old was horrified.
1321
01:03:34,667 --> 01:03:38,300
One immediately deleted
every Chris Brown song
1322
01:03:38,300 --> 01:03:40,066
from her playlist.
1323
01:03:40,066 --> 01:03:41,734
One said,
"Well, what if it's AI?"
1324
01:03:42,567 --> 01:03:44,300
-Yeah, yeah.
-[laughing] Okay.
1325
01:03:44,300 --> 01:03:46,400
So when you're talking
about this generation,
1326
01:03:46,400 --> 01:03:49,100
how do we get them
to pay attention
1327
01:03:49,100 --> 01:03:50,100
to something like this?
1328
01:03:50,100 --> 01:03:51,467
Well, they're not
going to pay attention to it
1329
01:03:51,467 --> 01:03:53,100
-if we're not
paying attention to it.
-Mmm.
1330
01:03:53,100 --> 01:03:55,166
We have a long tradition
of still engaging
1331
01:03:55,166 --> 01:03:59,700
in work made by men
accused of harming women.
1332
01:03:59,700 --> 01:04:01,300
And they make money
off of that.
1333
01:04:01,300 --> 01:04:03,300
-They make a lot
of money off of it, yeah.
-Yeah.
1334
01:04:03,300 --> 01:04:06,000
And that money helps
obfuscate the reality
1335
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,100
of what they may have done.
1336
01:04:07,100 --> 01:04:09,567
Do you think a part
of this could be
1337
01:04:09,567 --> 01:04:10,400
the notion is, you know,
1338
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,400
he was held
criminally accountable,
1339
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,166
he did his own documentary,
1340
01:04:15,166 --> 01:04:16,800
admitted what he did,
1341
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,767
and he deserves to move on?
1342
01:04:18,767 --> 01:04:19,634
I mean, maybe.
1343
01:04:19,634 --> 01:04:21,000
-He can do whatever he wants.
-Mm-hmm.
1344
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:23,166
And everybody gets
to make their own decision
1345
01:04:23,166 --> 01:04:23,967
about what they do with it.
1346
01:04:23,967 --> 01:04:25,567
If one person takes
accountability
1347
01:04:25,567 --> 01:04:27,700
for something one time,
that's wonderful,
1348
01:04:27,700 --> 01:04:28,967
but it doesn't
necessarily mean
1349
01:04:28,967 --> 01:04:31,567
that we have to not talk
about it anymore.
1350
01:04:31,567 --> 01:04:33,166
-Yeah.
-It's still in the culture.
1351
01:04:33,166 --> 01:04:35,567
It's still something
we're trying to make sense of.
1352
01:04:35,567 --> 01:04:39,166
And there are still a lot
of people who are defiant
1353
01:04:39,166 --> 01:04:41,367
about the facts
around Chris Brown and Rihanna
1354
01:04:41,367 --> 01:04:43,667
that still think,
"What did she do wrong?"
1355
01:04:43,667 --> 01:04:45,467
Or, you know, "How do we know
that really happened?"
1356
01:04:45,467 --> 01:04:48,800
Even though he has admitted
to a lot of these details,
1357
01:04:49,100 --> 01:04:50,166
we're not done.
1358
01:04:50,166 --> 01:04:51,200
The work is not done.
1359
01:04:51,200 --> 01:04:52,567
I would tell people,
1360
01:04:52,567 --> 01:04:54,166
-"Google the photos".
-Yeah. Yeah.
1361
01:04:54,166 --> 01:04:56,367
Because we don't show them
in the documentary,
1362
01:04:56,367 --> 01:04:57,867
-but they are brutal.
-Yeah.
1363
01:04:57,867 --> 01:04:59,967
But I would hope eventually
we can get to a place
1364
01:04:59,967 --> 01:05:01,567
where we don't have to share
1365
01:05:01,567 --> 01:05:04,100
the ugliest sides
of ourselves as victims
1366
01:05:04,100 --> 01:05:06,200
in order for people
to recognize what happened.
1367
01:05:06,200 --> 01:05:07,500
Well, one thing, though.
1368
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:10,667
The Rihanna incident was
15 years ago.
1369
01:05:10,667 --> 01:05:12,066
But in the documentary,
1370
01:05:12,066 --> 01:05:15,266
-there is
another alleged survivor.
-Mm-hmm.
1371
01:05:15,266 --> 01:05:17,700
And that was just
a few years ago.
1372
01:05:17,700 --> 01:05:20,967
Why do we then still have
this amnesia?
1373
01:05:20,967 --> 01:05:23,600
[sighs] I think we are
primed to believe people
1374
01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:26,900
whose names we know
and whose faces we recognize.
1375
01:05:28,667 --> 01:05:30,967
And I think he provides
a service to people,
1376
01:05:30,967 --> 01:05:32,700
which is that he makes music
that they like,
1377
01:05:32,700 --> 01:05:34,166
and the music is tied
to their memories
1378
01:05:34,166 --> 01:05:35,700
and tied to their feelings.
1379
01:05:35,700 --> 01:05:37,500
And this woman is
just some girl.
1380
01:05:37,500 --> 01:05:39,000
She is no Rihanna.
1381
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:41,266
Yes. I think
there's a clear reason
1382
01:05:41,266 --> 01:05:43,500
why that case was so big.
1383
01:05:43,500 --> 01:05:45,900
-It's because he did it
to someone we knew.
-Mm-hmm.
1384
01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:48,467
And so it becomes
harder to say,
1385
01:05:48,467 --> 01:05:50,467
-"Well, that couldn't have
possibly happened."
-Mmm.
1386
01:05:50,467 --> 01:05:52,000
Because you like her,
and you know her,
1387
01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:53,567
and you have
a parasocial relationship
1388
01:05:53,567 --> 01:05:54,500
with her, too.
1389
01:05:54,500 --> 01:05:57,100
Similar to how you might
have one with Chris.
1390
01:05:57,100 --> 01:05:59,000
It's the same thing with,
like, Diddy and Cassie.
1391
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:00,233
[ominous music playing]
1392
01:06:06,300 --> 01:06:07,300
[Sunny] We've seen the video
1393
01:06:07,300 --> 01:06:12,100
of Sean Diddy Combs beating
Cassie Ventura.
1394
01:06:12,100 --> 01:06:17,000
What was so galling about it
is that he is following her.
1395
01:06:17,000 --> 01:06:19,900
But you can see
that she exited the situation.
1396
01:06:19,900 --> 01:06:21,166
-She was trying to leave.
-Yes.
1397
01:06:21,166 --> 01:06:22,767
[Scaachi] And he feels
bold enough
1398
01:06:22,767 --> 01:06:25,967
to run out in the hallway
of a hotel in a towel,
1399
01:06:25,967 --> 01:06:27,300
and he drags her
back into it, literally.
1400
01:06:27,300 --> 01:06:28,800
-And didn't fight back at all.
-No.
1401
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:30,066
-Couldn't.
-Couldn't.
1402
01:06:30,066 --> 01:06:31,000
Don't you think
1403
01:06:31,000 --> 01:06:35,000
that that video changed
his accountability?
1404
01:06:35,000 --> 01:06:35,900
Well, it had to.
1405
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:38,200
-What else was
he going to say?
-Right.
1406
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:39,367
I don't know what to do
with a culture
1407
01:06:39,367 --> 01:06:40,233
that feels like it needs
1408
01:06:40,233 --> 01:06:42,166
to watch women be
brutalized like that
1409
01:06:42,166 --> 01:06:43,000
-in order to believe her.
-Mm-hmm.
1410
01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:45,367
-She told us a thousand times.
-Yes.
1411
01:06:45,367 --> 01:06:46,900
There was obviously
a lot of energy
1412
01:06:46,900 --> 01:06:49,467
put into trying to keep
that video from coming out.
1413
01:06:49,467 --> 01:06:51,567
Well, yes, he didn't think,
1414
01:06:51,567 --> 01:06:53,000
-I think, it would
ever come out.
-Yeah.
1415
01:06:53,000 --> 01:06:54,367
-He seemed
pretty confident because--
-And...
1416
01:06:54,367 --> 01:06:56,367
-She files a lawsuit,
and then, of course...
-Yeah.
1417
01:06:56,367 --> 01:06:57,667
...the next thing
that happened was
1418
01:06:57,667 --> 01:06:58,867
he settled the next day.
1419
01:06:58,867 --> 01:07:00,266
But do you think
1420
01:07:00,266 --> 01:07:02,467
they are less likely to lie
1421
01:07:02,467 --> 01:07:03,900
because they're celebrities
1422
01:07:03,900 --> 01:07:06,100
and these other women
that come forward,
1423
01:07:06,767 --> 01:07:07,900
it's just a money grab?
1424
01:07:07,900 --> 01:07:08,967
I do think
1425
01:07:08,967 --> 01:07:12,467
that a lot of people will
look at a famous person
1426
01:07:12,467 --> 01:07:13,567
and a non-famous person
1427
01:07:13,567 --> 01:07:15,266
and think
the non-famous person
1428
01:07:15,266 --> 01:07:16,233
will get
something out of this.
1429
01:07:16,233 --> 01:07:19,367
There's [chuckles] riches
on the other side
1430
01:07:19,367 --> 01:07:21,667
of accusing a rich,
wealthy person
1431
01:07:21,667 --> 01:07:23,166
of having harmed them.
1432
01:07:23,166 --> 01:07:25,166
But for a celebrity,
there's only downside.
1433
01:07:25,166 --> 01:07:27,767
It's downside across the board
is the reality of it.
1434
01:07:27,767 --> 01:07:29,300
And any woman
who's ever come forward
1435
01:07:29,300 --> 01:07:31,367
about a boss
who's harassed them
1436
01:07:31,367 --> 01:07:32,600
or a boyfriend
who won't leave them alone
1437
01:07:32,600 --> 01:07:34,400
or any man
who's ever bothered them,
1438
01:07:34,400 --> 01:07:36,967
they know
the downside is enormous.
1439
01:07:36,967 --> 01:07:40,567
And rape is really
the most underreported crime
1440
01:07:40,567 --> 01:07:41,867
-in our country.
-Yeah.
1441
01:07:41,867 --> 01:07:44,166
I think only second
to domestic violence.
1442
01:07:44,166 --> 01:07:47,700
Yeah, and those are two crimes
where the first question,
1443
01:07:47,700 --> 01:07:50,867
unlike with a home invasion
or a robbery,
1444
01:07:50,867 --> 01:07:52,100
-people ask,
"Well, what did you do?"
-Yeah.
1445
01:07:52,100 --> 01:07:53,467
"How did
you make this happen?"
1446
01:07:53,467 --> 01:07:55,900
There's almost no upside
in saying anything.
1447
01:07:56,300 --> 01:07:57,467
Thanks for joining me.
1448
01:07:57,467 --> 01:07:58,333
Thanks for having me.
1449
01:07:58,333 --> 01:08:01,767
Up next, we hear
from 2024's Miss Kansas
1450
01:08:01,767 --> 01:08:02,600
and the viral moment
1451
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:05,000
that sparked
controversy nationwide.
1452
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:06,767
But that's not
going to stop me
1453
01:08:06,767 --> 01:08:09,300
-from being
on this Miss Kansas stage...
-[audience cheering]
1454
01:08:09,300 --> 01:08:11,300
...and from representing
1455
01:08:11,767 --> 01:08:13,600
as the next Miss Kansas.
1456
01:08:16,600 --> 01:08:18,066
With us, we have Katie Jones,
1457
01:08:18,066 --> 01:08:20,967
CEO of the National
Domestic Violence Hotline,
1458
01:08:20,967 --> 01:08:23,000
Alexis Smith, Miss Kansas,
1459
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,467
an advocate
for healthy relationships,
1460
01:08:25,467 --> 01:08:27,800
and Psychologist
Dr. Carolyn West,
1461
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:28,800
a resident fellow
1462
01:08:28,800 --> 01:08:30,900
at the University
of Washington.
1463
01:08:30,900 --> 01:08:31,967
Thank you so much
for joining me.
1464
01:08:31,967 --> 01:08:34,000
And Katie,
let me go to you first.
1465
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:34,900
It seems to me
1466
01:08:34,900 --> 01:08:38,066
that this country frames
domestic violence
1467
01:08:38,066 --> 01:08:39,700
as a black and brown problem.
1468
01:08:39,700 --> 01:08:41,200
I don't think that's true.
1469
01:08:41,200 --> 01:08:43,266
Domestic violence does
not discriminate
1470
01:08:43,266 --> 01:08:44,567
based on race,
1471
01:08:44,567 --> 01:08:46,867
socioeconomic status,
educational background.
1472
01:08:46,867 --> 01:08:49,867
It impacts anyone
and everyone.
1473
01:08:49,867 --> 01:08:50,600
One in four women,
1474
01:08:50,600 --> 01:08:52,400
one in seven men
will experience
1475
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:55,000
severe physical violence
in their lifetime.
1476
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,467
However, we know
some communities are
1477
01:08:56,467 --> 01:08:57,900
disproportionately impacted,
1478
01:08:57,900 --> 01:08:59,367
and that's important
to recognize.
1479
01:08:59,367 --> 01:09:01,266
And we know
that certain communities may
1480
01:09:01,266 --> 01:09:04,100
have more challenges
accessing services.
1481
01:09:04,100 --> 01:09:06,767
One in three Latino women
report domestic violence.
1482
01:09:06,767 --> 01:09:09,266
American Indian,
Alaska Native women report
1483
01:09:09,266 --> 01:09:10,066
four in five.
1484
01:09:10,066 --> 01:09:12,367
So there are
certain circumstances
1485
01:09:12,367 --> 01:09:14,300
where that may be exasperated.
1486
01:09:14,300 --> 01:09:15,967
It's a everybody problem
1487
01:09:15,967 --> 01:09:18,066
-that we all have to be
concerned about.
-[Sunny] Mm-hmm.
1488
01:09:18,066 --> 01:09:19,600
[Carolyn] So the challenge is,
1489
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:21,867
you know, being
a professor for 30 years,
1490
01:09:21,867 --> 01:09:23,667
I really devoted my life
1491
01:09:23,667 --> 01:09:25,000
to figuring out,
1492
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,300
well, how do we talk
1493
01:09:26,300 --> 01:09:28,467
about the similarities
1494
01:09:28,467 --> 01:09:30,166
across these different groups
1495
01:09:30,166 --> 01:09:32,800
without erasing
the experiences
1496
01:09:32,800 --> 01:09:35,000
of these
marginalized populations,
1497
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:38,300
but then how do we talk
about the differences
1498
01:09:38,300 --> 01:09:41,266
without reinforcing
the same stereotypes.
1499
01:09:41,266 --> 01:09:43,700
[Sunny] But what scares me
1500
01:09:43,700 --> 01:09:44,834
when I think about this,
1501
01:09:44,834 --> 01:09:48,000
are the women, let's say,
in the middle of the country
1502
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:50,100
that are living alone
1503
01:09:50,100 --> 01:09:52,100
with their spouse
1504
01:09:52,100 --> 01:09:53,767
-who owns a gun...
-[Katie] Mmm.
1505
01:09:53,767 --> 01:09:58,300
...who is best friends
with the only sheriff in town,
1506
01:09:58,300 --> 01:10:01,467
and who is completely reliant
upon a spouse
1507
01:10:01,467 --> 01:10:02,867
and is raising young children.
1508
01:10:02,867 --> 01:10:04,266
That scares me.
1509
01:10:04,266 --> 01:10:06,100
You bring up
an important point.
1510
01:10:06,100 --> 01:10:08,667
People in small communities,
who are they going to call?
1511
01:10:08,667 --> 01:10:10,300
Certain places get
more attention
1512
01:10:10,300 --> 01:10:11,700
to domestic violence
than others,
1513
01:10:11,700 --> 01:10:13,567
which is why it's important
to talk about it.
1514
01:10:13,567 --> 01:10:16,300
We know
that it is so pervasive
1515
01:10:16,300 --> 01:10:18,700
and it's often the secret.
1516
01:10:18,700 --> 01:10:20,367
And yet, so many people,
1517
01:10:20,367 --> 01:10:22,400
when we hear
about tragedy happening,
1518
01:10:22,767 --> 01:10:24,000
say, "Something told me
1519
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,367
something was wrong
in our relationship
1520
01:10:25,367 --> 01:10:26,767
and I didn't know what to do."
1521
01:10:26,767 --> 01:10:28,367
There are people,
I think, that are probably
1522
01:10:28,367 --> 01:10:30,300
in abusive relationships
1523
01:10:30,300 --> 01:10:33,367
and don't recognize the signs
of these relationships.
1524
01:10:33,367 --> 01:10:36,400
Can you give us
some sort of roadmap?
1525
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,400
Things like jealousy
1526
01:10:38,700 --> 01:10:40,000
and possessiveness.
1527
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:42,800
If there's verbal
and emotional abuse.
1528
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,367
[Katie] 98% of relationships
where there's abuse,
1529
01:10:45,367 --> 01:10:47,100
-there's financial control
happening.
-[Carolyn] Mmm.
1530
01:10:47,100 --> 01:10:50,100
It is a great way to keep
someone in a relationship
1531
01:10:50,100 --> 01:10:51,400
is if they can't break free
1532
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:53,500
'cause they don't have
the money to do so.
1533
01:10:53,500 --> 01:10:56,767
If you feel like your world is
getting smaller,
1534
01:10:56,767 --> 01:10:58,166
you're cutting off contact
1535
01:10:58,166 --> 01:11:00,266
with important people
in your life
1536
01:11:00,266 --> 01:11:02,567
because of this individual,
1537
01:11:02,567 --> 01:11:05,000
that really may be
a indication as well.
1538
01:11:05,300 --> 01:11:07,367
Now, Miss Kansas,
1539
01:11:07,367 --> 01:11:09,767
you shared with the world
1540
01:11:09,767 --> 01:11:12,000
that you had been abused.
1541
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,367
What gave you the courage
to tell the world
1542
01:11:15,367 --> 01:11:17,367
that that had been
happening to you?
1543
01:11:17,367 --> 01:11:18,867
Yeah, so as Miss Kansas,
1544
01:11:18,867 --> 01:11:20,967
I represent with my community
service initiative
1545
01:11:20,967 --> 01:11:22,100
Respect Reclaimed
1546
01:11:22,100 --> 01:11:24,266
advocating
for healthy relationships.
1547
01:11:24,266 --> 01:11:26,000
It stems from my own
personal experience
1548
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:28,166
of falling
into my family cycle of abuse
1549
01:11:28,166 --> 01:11:29,767
at the age of 14.
1550
01:11:29,767 --> 01:11:34,400
This same partner that I had
experienced as a teenage girl
1551
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:36,600
was the exact same
former partner
1552
01:11:36,600 --> 01:11:39,233
that showed up
at the Miss Kansas
competition.
1553
01:11:39,667 --> 01:11:41,266
And so when I was asked,
1554
01:11:41,266 --> 01:11:43,900
what would be my vision
as Miss Kansas...
1555
01:11:43,900 --> 01:11:45,767
What will be your vision
1556
01:11:45,767 --> 01:11:47,467
as the next brand ambassador
1557
01:11:47,467 --> 01:11:49,033
for the Miss Kansas
Organization?
1558
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:52,967
My vision
as the next Miss Kansas is
1559
01:11:52,967 --> 01:11:57,467
to eliminate unhealthy
and abusive relationships.
1560
01:11:57,467 --> 01:12:00,066
Matter of fact, some of you
out in this audience saw me
1561
01:12:00,066 --> 01:12:01,166
very emotional
1562
01:12:01,166 --> 01:12:04,166
because my abuser is
here today.
1563
01:12:04,166 --> 01:12:05,433
But that's not gonna stop me
1564
01:12:05,433 --> 01:12:08,166
-from being
on this Miss Kansas stage...
-[audience cheering]
1565
01:12:08,166 --> 01:12:10,000
...and from representing
1566
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:12,567
as the next Miss Kansas.
1567
01:12:12,567 --> 01:12:15,000
Ultimately, in that moment,
it wasn't courage.
1568
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:15,834
It was anger.
1569
01:12:15,834 --> 01:12:17,166
-[Sunny] Mmm.
-[Alexis] It was fear.
1570
01:12:17,166 --> 01:12:21,200
It was frustration of facing
my abuser during intermission.
1571
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:23,667
That is the only thing
that was on my mind.
1572
01:12:23,667 --> 01:12:26,166
In a way, he took
this opportunity away from me.
1573
01:12:26,166 --> 01:12:29,100
He took the opportunity away
from me to really explain
1574
01:12:29,100 --> 01:12:31,867
why I wanted to be Miss Kansas
in the first place.
1575
01:12:31,867 --> 01:12:34,667
But I'm glad that I don't know
where it came from. [chuckles]
1576
01:12:34,667 --> 01:12:37,000
I'm glad that it did come out.
1577
01:12:37,000 --> 01:12:39,300
That way, one,
I called him an abuser
1578
01:12:39,300 --> 01:12:40,400
-for the first time...
-[Sunny] Mmm.
1579
01:12:40,400 --> 01:12:42,266
...to his face,
1580
01:12:42,266 --> 01:12:43,667
but also showed everyone
1581
01:12:43,667 --> 01:12:46,000
that the crown
and the sash, it's great.
1582
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:47,567
It provides me
this amazing platform.
1583
01:12:47,567 --> 01:12:49,266
But I'm so much more under it.
1584
01:12:49,266 --> 01:12:50,767
-I have a story under it.
-[Sunny] Yeah.
1585
01:12:50,767 --> 01:12:53,000
And we're all seeing it
right here.
1586
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,200
My understanding is
1587
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:58,200
that you did try to go through
the criminal justice system.
1588
01:12:58,200 --> 01:12:59,266
-Right?
-I did.
1589
01:12:59,266 --> 01:13:01,200
So unfortunately,
at the Miss Kansas
competition,
1590
01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:02,667
I did not have
a protection order
1591
01:13:02,667 --> 01:13:03,900
-put in place.
-[Sunny] Mm-hmm.
1592
01:13:03,900 --> 01:13:06,100
Previously for a couple
of years,
1593
01:13:06,100 --> 01:13:07,367
I did try and get that order,
1594
01:13:07,367 --> 01:13:09,166
but unfortunately,
I didn't have an address
1595
01:13:09,166 --> 01:13:11,867
for them to be able to serve
that documentation to him.
1596
01:13:11,867 --> 01:13:13,467
And so moving forward,
1597
01:13:13,467 --> 01:13:15,467
I just kind of start
building that case,
1598
01:13:15,467 --> 01:13:16,867
keeping that paper trail
that way
1599
01:13:16,867 --> 01:13:19,700
whenever I did have
that address, I was ready,
1600
01:13:19,700 --> 01:13:21,166
and that's exactly what I did
1601
01:13:21,166 --> 01:13:23,066
after the Miss Kansas
competition.
1602
01:13:23,066 --> 01:13:25,266
I went through 12 weeks...
1603
01:13:25,266 --> 01:13:27,100
-[Sunny] Mm-hmm.
-[Alexis] ...of getting
this protection order,
1604
01:13:27,100 --> 01:13:31,100
but just last week, I finally
was able to serve him.
1605
01:13:31,100 --> 01:13:34,266
He actually agreed
to the protection order,
1606
01:13:34,266 --> 01:13:38,066
but even within accepting
the protection order,
1607
01:13:38,066 --> 01:13:39,700
he asked multiple times,
1608
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:41,567
"So it's just
one year, right?"
1609
01:13:41,567 --> 01:13:43,600
-Wow.
-[Alexis]
"It's just one year."
1610
01:13:43,600 --> 01:13:45,567
So yes, I do have
this protection order
1611
01:13:45,567 --> 01:13:46,667
put in place,
1612
01:13:46,667 --> 01:13:48,200
but it feels
like a countdown...
1613
01:13:48,200 --> 01:13:49,233
Mmm. Yeah.
1614
01:13:49,233 --> 01:13:51,800
...of when he's gonna
be ready to step back in.
1615
01:13:51,800 --> 01:13:54,767
Our system, in my view,
has not caught up
1616
01:13:54,767 --> 01:13:56,166
with domestic violence.
1617
01:13:56,166 --> 01:13:58,767
Do you think
these restraining orders
1618
01:13:58,767 --> 01:14:01,567
and protective orders
are helpful?
1619
01:14:01,567 --> 01:14:03,266
-[Katie] It's a tool
in your toolbox.
-[Carolyn] Mmm.
1620
01:14:03,266 --> 01:14:06,467
That could be the tool
that sets your partner off,
1621
01:14:06,467 --> 01:14:08,867
and they become more violent
when you get that.
1622
01:14:08,867 --> 01:14:10,200
It could be the tool
1623
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,567
that gets your partner
to stay away from you.
1624
01:14:12,567 --> 01:14:15,667
You know your abusive partner
the best.
1625
01:14:15,667 --> 01:14:16,767
And that's where
you want to speak
1626
01:14:16,767 --> 01:14:18,500
with an advocate about,
1627
01:14:18,500 --> 01:14:20,467
is a restraining order
right for you.
1628
01:14:20,467 --> 01:14:22,467
Because you are the expert
of your own life.
1629
01:14:22,467 --> 01:14:24,166
And I will say, initially,
1630
01:14:24,166 --> 01:14:26,467
I was terrified
to get a protection order
1631
01:14:26,467 --> 01:14:28,100
because I knew that my abuser
1632
01:14:28,100 --> 01:14:29,967
-is very unpredictable.
-[ladies assent]
1633
01:14:29,967 --> 01:14:32,300
And so as you mentioned,
the setting him off,
1634
01:14:32,300 --> 01:14:34,567
I mean, he was already
having threats of suicide.
1635
01:14:34,567 --> 01:14:36,300
And from my perspective,
1636
01:14:36,300 --> 01:14:38,300
if you're willing
to do this to yourself,
1637
01:14:38,300 --> 01:14:40,266
why wouldn't you do it
to me as well?
1638
01:14:40,266 --> 01:14:42,166
So even today,
with this protection order,
1639
01:14:42,166 --> 01:14:45,500
I still have fears
of murder-suicide.
1640
01:14:45,500 --> 01:14:47,667
Well, Katie,
let me ask you about this.
1641
01:14:47,667 --> 01:14:50,700
There are people that have
to leave their homes
1642
01:14:50,700 --> 01:14:52,000
in the middle of the night
1643
01:14:52,000 --> 01:14:52,734
with their children,
1644
01:14:52,734 --> 01:14:54,400
just the clothes
on their backs,
1645
01:14:54,400 --> 01:14:58,166
while their abuser may
be drunk or asleep.
1646
01:14:58,166 --> 01:15:02,900
What do you tell
those women or those men
1647
01:15:03,467 --> 01:15:04,467
at that moment?
1648
01:15:04,467 --> 01:15:06,500
I think people think
it's so easy
1649
01:15:06,500 --> 01:15:07,767
to get up and leave
1650
01:15:07,767 --> 01:15:09,567
and it is
incredibly difficult.
1651
01:15:09,567 --> 01:15:11,867
One, I hope there's
a shelter bed available
1652
01:15:11,867 --> 01:15:15,166
because the domestic violence
service system has been
1653
01:15:15,166 --> 01:15:16,967
overburdened
and under-resourced
1654
01:15:16,967 --> 01:15:18,667
-since the beginning of time.
-[Sunny] Mmm.
1655
01:15:18,667 --> 01:15:19,667
So oftentimes someone could be
1656
01:15:19,667 --> 01:15:22,200
calling the National
Domestic Violence Hotline
1657
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,900
and we're trying to find
a shelter where there's space.
1658
01:15:24,900 --> 01:15:27,100
There might be a waitlist
for counseling services.
1659
01:15:27,100 --> 01:15:28,266
And then we're saying,
1660
01:15:28,266 --> 01:15:30,567
"If there is a bed,
can you get a bag?
1661
01:15:30,567 --> 01:15:31,900
Can you grab your ID?
1662
01:15:31,900 --> 01:15:33,600
You might have to change
your kids' schools.
1663
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,100
You might have
to change jobs."
1664
01:15:35,100 --> 01:15:37,400
It is not an easy removal.
1665
01:15:37,400 --> 01:15:39,000
And we're saying
"It's going to get harder
1666
01:15:39,367 --> 01:15:40,600
before it gets better."
1667
01:15:40,600 --> 01:15:41,433
And we're also saying
1668
01:15:41,433 --> 01:15:44,367
"Your chances
of lethality increase
1669
01:15:44,367 --> 01:15:46,000
when you're going
to leave that relationship,
1670
01:15:46,000 --> 01:15:47,867
because that is
when your abusive partner is
1671
01:15:47,867 --> 01:15:49,867
losing power
and control over you,
1672
01:15:49,867 --> 01:15:52,100
and violence can
become more dangerous.
1673
01:15:52,100 --> 01:15:53,767
This is
the most dangerous time
for you in the relationship."
1674
01:15:53,767 --> 01:15:57,200
-Leaving is
the most dangerous time.
-Leaving the relationship.
1675
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:01,467
And I think that's why we have
to talk about safety planning.
1676
01:16:01,467 --> 01:16:03,166
You want to say
more about that, Katie,
1677
01:16:03,166 --> 01:16:05,867
in terms of how
to get that safety plan
1678
01:16:05,867 --> 01:16:07,066
with your organization
1679
01:16:07,066 --> 01:16:09,100
or how
you did that effectively?
1680
01:16:09,100 --> 01:16:10,867
[Katie] So safety planning is
a critical piece
1681
01:16:10,867 --> 01:16:13,166
of your relationship
when there's abuse,
1682
01:16:13,166 --> 01:16:14,667
whether that's
your planning to leave
1683
01:16:14,667 --> 01:16:16,667
or you're still staying
in that relationship.
1684
01:16:16,667 --> 01:16:18,467
And it is not
a one-size-fits-all.
1685
01:16:18,467 --> 01:16:19,734
And speaking with an advocate,
1686
01:16:19,734 --> 01:16:21,400
whether you're calling
the National Domestic
Violence Hotline
1687
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:23,600
or your local program,
is the first step.
1688
01:16:23,600 --> 01:16:25,100
You want to talk
to a skilled advocate
1689
01:16:25,100 --> 01:16:26,467
-on how to do that.
-[Sunny] Mmm.
1690
01:16:26,467 --> 01:16:29,767
But planning an exit strategy
in your home,
1691
01:16:29,767 --> 01:16:32,000
should violence break out,
would be step number one.
1692
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:34,266
Where you might think
the safest place is
in your home,
1693
01:16:34,266 --> 01:16:35,800
there's often things
in that place
1694
01:16:35,800 --> 01:16:36,767
that can be used as weapons,
1695
01:16:36,767 --> 01:16:38,166
and it can be very dangerous.
1696
01:16:38,166 --> 01:16:39,300
-So we want
to craft that with you.
-True.
1697
01:16:39,300 --> 01:16:40,467
-Kitchen.
-[Carolyn] Kitchen.
1698
01:16:40,467 --> 01:16:43,000
There's boiling water,
knives, pots, pans
1699
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,166
that can be used as weapons.
1700
01:16:44,166 --> 01:16:46,166
In your bathroom,
the toilet can be used
1701
01:16:46,166 --> 01:16:47,567
to drown you.
1702
01:16:47,567 --> 01:16:48,500
Like, there's many things
1703
01:16:48,500 --> 01:16:51,567
that you want to craft
a very special plan
1704
01:16:51,567 --> 01:16:52,467
to think through.
1705
01:16:52,467 --> 01:16:53,467
Where's the safest place?
1706
01:16:53,467 --> 01:16:55,266
What's your exit
out of the house?
1707
01:16:55,266 --> 01:16:57,000
What's a code word
you can use with your kids...
1708
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:58,467
-[Carolyn] Mm-hmm.
-...to tell them,
1709
01:16:58,467 --> 01:17:00,367
-"Run to the neighbor's house
to get help"?
-That's good.
1710
01:17:00,367 --> 01:17:01,867
[Katie] Is there a way
that you can leave a light on
1711
01:17:01,867 --> 01:17:03,266
-in your porch or off...
-[Carolyn] Mm-hmm.
1712
01:17:03,266 --> 01:17:05,567
that tells your neighbors,
"I need help"?
1713
01:17:05,567 --> 01:17:08,400
Who can you talk to
in your safety network
1714
01:17:08,400 --> 01:17:09,233
that is a way that they know
1715
01:17:09,233 --> 01:17:11,066
that you need help
when you need it?
1716
01:17:11,066 --> 01:17:14,100
Domestic violence thrives
on silence,
1717
01:17:14,100 --> 01:17:15,300
secrecy, and shame.
1718
01:17:15,300 --> 01:17:18,166
-Ah.
-So the perpetrator is
1719
01:17:18,166 --> 01:17:20,767
counting on you
being isolated.
1720
01:17:20,767 --> 01:17:21,867
[Katie] And that's where
we want to talk
1721
01:17:21,867 --> 01:17:23,100
to family and friends.
1722
01:17:23,100 --> 01:17:24,433
Don't give up
1723
01:17:24,867 --> 01:17:26,300
on your family member.
1724
01:17:26,300 --> 01:17:28,967
That is
an abusive partner's dream.
1725
01:17:28,967 --> 01:17:31,000
When you give up,
they have them.
1726
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,567
Try to stay
in that nonjudgmental place.
1727
01:17:33,567 --> 01:17:35,200
Be a support person.
1728
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:36,467
Because when they're ready,
1729
01:17:36,467 --> 01:17:38,700
they're going
to need you to lean on.
1730
01:17:38,700 --> 01:17:41,800
Thank you so much for sharing
your expertise and your story.
1731
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:42,734
[guests] Thank you.
1732
01:17:42,734 --> 01:17:46,400
Coming up, how is
Hollywood taking action?
1733
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,166
And if you are experiencing
domestic violence
1734
01:17:49,166 --> 01:17:50,667
and not sure where to turn,
1735
01:17:50,667 --> 01:17:52,367
you'll be surprised
that you could already
1736
01:17:52,367 --> 01:17:55,100
be talking to someone
about it once a month.
1737
01:17:56,967 --> 01:17:58,800
With me is Jane Randel,
co-founder of No More,
1738
01:17:58,800 --> 01:18:01,467
ID's No Excuse
for Abuse partner.
1739
01:18:01,467 --> 01:18:04,667
No More increases
awareness worldwide
1740
01:18:04,667 --> 01:18:08,000
and fuels culture change
in a multitude of ways.
1741
01:18:08,000 --> 01:18:08,934
Most recently,
1742
01:18:08,934 --> 01:18:11,467
they consulted
on the Blake Lively film,
1743
01:18:11,467 --> 01:18:13,467
It Ends with Us.
1744
01:18:13,467 --> 01:18:16,367
So, Jane, I love the work
that No More does.
1745
01:18:16,367 --> 01:18:19,000
And I loved the movie,
1746
01:18:19,367 --> 01:18:20,867
It Ends with Us.
1747
01:18:20,867 --> 01:18:23,266
-And so did millions
and millions of other people.
-[Sunny chuckling] Yes.
1748
01:18:23,266 --> 01:18:25,367
[Jane] The movie,
It Ends With Us, is
1749
01:18:25,367 --> 01:18:27,467
about people who don't realize
1750
01:18:27,467 --> 01:18:29,200
that they're
in an abusive relationship.
1751
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:32,200
What was it
about No More's work
1752
01:18:32,200 --> 01:18:33,867
that led to working
1753
01:18:33,867 --> 01:18:36,100
with director Justin Baldoni
1754
01:18:36,100 --> 01:18:37,900
on such an important film?
1755
01:18:37,900 --> 01:18:39,166
[Jane] I met Justin years ago,
1756
01:18:39,166 --> 01:18:41,500
and he got to understand
what No More was about,
1757
01:18:41,500 --> 01:18:43,467
and when they were
working on the script,
1758
01:18:43,467 --> 01:18:45,567
he was very committed
to getting it right.
1759
01:18:45,567 --> 01:18:47,367
He said, "Let's work together
on this."
1760
01:18:47,367 --> 01:18:49,300
No More has worked
on the movie
1761
01:18:49,300 --> 01:18:51,100
-for about two years...
-Mmm.
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01:18:51,100 --> 01:18:52,367
[Jane] ...from the time
of the script,
1763
01:18:52,367 --> 01:18:55,767
through a read-through,
providing advice,
1764
01:18:55,767 --> 01:18:56,667
helping Justin,
1765
01:18:56,667 --> 01:18:58,767
helping to arrange for him
to go sit in
1766
01:18:58,767 --> 01:19:01,667
-on a batterer's
intervention program...
-Mmm.
1767
01:19:01,667 --> 01:19:05,000
...so that it was
portrayed in a way
1768
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:06,967
-that was realistic...
-Yes.
1769
01:19:06,967 --> 01:19:08,500
...and accessible
1770
01:19:08,500 --> 01:19:10,000
and would grab people.
1771
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:12,367
Part of the other way
that No More helped
1772
01:19:12,367 --> 01:19:14,000
with the movie,
It Ends with Us,
1773
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,000
is by creating resources.
1774
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:18,767
A Viewer's Guide,
a Survivors Guide
1775
01:19:18,767 --> 01:19:20,033
community guides,
1776
01:19:20,033 --> 01:19:22,900
and those resources have been
downloaded thousands of times
1777
01:19:22,900 --> 01:19:24,300
since the launch of the movie.
1778
01:19:24,300 --> 01:19:27,567
One fascinating thing
I thought about the film is,
1779
01:19:27,567 --> 01:19:30,367
as you're consuming it,
you're just watching it,
1780
01:19:30,367 --> 01:19:32,266
and then all of a sudden,
1781
01:19:32,266 --> 01:19:35,066
-you see it
from her point of view.
-Right.
1782
01:19:35,066 --> 01:19:36,967
[woman whimpering]
Please don't do this!
1783
01:19:36,967 --> 01:19:38,600
Please! Please! Please!
1784
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:41,166
[woman panting]
1785
01:19:41,166 --> 01:19:42,867
[Sunny] I thought
that was masterful.
1786
01:19:42,867 --> 01:19:44,500
I took my husband to see it.
1787
01:19:44,500 --> 01:19:47,500
You know, he felt
sort of like, "Wait, I've been
1788
01:19:47,500 --> 01:19:49,000
-tricked in a weird way."
-Yeah.
1789
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:50,700
And I was like, "Well,
that was sort of the point."
1790
01:19:50,700 --> 01:19:51,667
Because you'd be surprised
1791
01:19:51,667 --> 01:19:53,500
how many people don't realize
1792
01:19:53,500 --> 01:19:55,600
-that they're
in an abusive relationship.
-Yeah.
1793
01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,066
There are people
1794
01:19:57,066 --> 01:20:00,100
who have shared their stories
of walking away from the movie
1795
01:20:00,100 --> 01:20:02,600
and literally leaving
their abuser that night.
1796
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:03,433
Really?
1797
01:20:03,433 --> 01:20:05,166
And people are
sharing these stories.
1798
01:20:05,166 --> 01:20:08,667
And that, I know, was one
of Justin Baldoni's goals,
1799
01:20:08,667 --> 01:20:12,066
was to reach that person
in the theater who needs help.
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01:20:12,066 --> 01:20:14,667
[Sunny] There's an importance
in educating the public.
1801
01:20:14,667 --> 01:20:16,166
And speaking of that,
1802
01:20:16,166 --> 01:20:19,166
there's an organization
called Shear Haven
1803
01:20:19,166 --> 01:20:23,000
that taps a small group
that reaches the masses.
1804
01:20:23,667 --> 01:20:25,133
We have some video.
1805
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,367
My name is
Susanne Shepherd Post,
1806
01:20:28,367 --> 01:20:31,000
and I'm a salon owner
in Nashville, Tennessee.
1807
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:33,567
We spend hours
with our clients.
1808
01:20:33,567 --> 01:20:35,600
Often we'll see them
more frequently
1809
01:20:35,600 --> 01:20:37,500
than they see
some of their best friends.
1810
01:20:37,500 --> 01:20:40,667
And there's times
that we can sense
1811
01:20:40,667 --> 01:20:42,166
when something isn't
quite right.
1812
01:20:42,166 --> 01:20:44,166
We might see bruising,
1813
01:20:44,166 --> 01:20:46,467
patches of hair
that have been pulled.
1814
01:20:46,467 --> 01:20:48,100
I've heard people disclose
1815
01:20:48,100 --> 01:20:50,000
something about
their relationship
1816
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:52,100
that honestly is a red flag.
1817
01:20:52,100 --> 01:20:53,266
And that's why I knew
1818
01:20:53,266 --> 01:20:57,500
that beauty professionals
could be such a unique helper.
1819
01:20:58,467 --> 01:20:59,300
I'm the co-founder
1820
01:20:59,300 --> 01:21:02,767
of the Shear Haven
YWCA initiative.
1821
01:21:02,767 --> 01:21:04,467
We educate
beauty professionals
1822
01:21:04,467 --> 01:21:06,567
about the signs
of domestic violence
1823
01:21:06,567 --> 01:21:09,100
and how to respond safely
and appropriately,
1824
01:21:09,100 --> 01:21:11,600
and how not to respond.
1825
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:12,967
Our instinct,
1826
01:21:12,967 --> 01:21:14,567
caring for the person
that they're with,
1827
01:21:14,567 --> 01:21:16,266
is you should just leave.
1828
01:21:16,266 --> 01:21:20,367
And that could be potentially
really dangerous advice.
1829
01:21:20,367 --> 01:21:23,367
We know that directing
someone to resources
1830
01:21:23,367 --> 01:21:24,567
could be the key
1831
01:21:24,567 --> 01:21:27,367
to a life-and-death situation.
1832
01:21:27,367 --> 01:21:31,200
The education is a free
20-minute online training.
1833
01:21:31,200 --> 01:21:35,967
To date, we've reached
over 135,000 people
1834
01:21:35,967 --> 01:21:39,533
in over 125 countries
with this education.
1835
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:42,467
That's remarkable. [chuckles]
1836
01:21:42,467 --> 01:21:43,533
[Jane] No, it's amazing.
1837
01:21:43,533 --> 01:21:47,166
You do spend a lot of time
with your hairstylists.
1838
01:21:47,166 --> 01:21:50,667
They are like therapists,
almost like hair-apists.
1839
01:21:50,667 --> 01:21:52,300
I spend a lot of time
with mine.
1840
01:21:52,300 --> 01:21:53,533
Sometimes.
1841
01:21:54,900 --> 01:21:57,500
[Jane] And that's a place
where your abuser
1842
01:21:57,500 --> 01:21:59,467
probably won't be there
with you, right?
1843
01:21:59,467 --> 01:22:02,166
And I've heard all sorts
of different ways
1844
01:22:02,166 --> 01:22:04,900
that people are getting
information in lipstick tubes.
1845
01:22:04,900 --> 01:22:06,467
No More itself is part
1846
01:22:06,467 --> 01:22:08,800
-of an app
called Bright Sky...
-Mm-hmm.
1847
01:22:08,800 --> 01:22:10,367
which masks as a weather app,
1848
01:22:10,367 --> 01:22:12,700
but it's really all sorts
of information
1849
01:22:12,700 --> 01:22:14,200
around domestic violence.
1850
01:22:14,200 --> 01:22:15,800
Abusers are limited
1851
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:18,100
-only by their
own imagination...
-Mmm.
1852
01:22:18,100 --> 01:22:20,066
...so we have to help women
1853
01:22:20,066 --> 01:22:22,967
and be imaginative in how
we find ways to help them.
1854
01:22:22,967 --> 01:22:24,000
Be a little creative.
1855
01:22:24,000 --> 01:22:25,266
-100%.
-Yeah.
1856
01:22:25,266 --> 01:22:27,266
Jane, thank you so much
for joining me,
1857
01:22:27,266 --> 01:22:28,166
and thank you so much
1858
01:22:28,166 --> 01:22:30,166
for the important work
that you're doing.
1859
01:22:30,166 --> 01:22:31,900
-Thank you for having me.
-Yeah.
1860
01:22:32,467 --> 01:22:34,567
ID and No More encourage
1861
01:22:34,567 --> 01:22:37,867
viewers to visit
noexcuseforabuse.com
1862
01:22:37,867 --> 01:22:40,567
and read the harrowing
and triumphant stories
1863
01:22:40,567 --> 01:22:42,800
of survival and perseverance.
1864
01:22:43,567 --> 01:22:44,700
I'm Sunny Hostin.
1865
01:22:44,700 --> 01:22:45,967
Thanks for joining me.