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Take one, common mark.
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- Am I addressing to you?
- Yeah.
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Okay.
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I think it's gotta go that way.
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The lighting's super.
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Okay.
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No stray pieces.
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- Thank you, everybody.
- Yeah, that sounds good.
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- You good?
- I'm good, I guess.
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Where are we?
What are we doing?
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Uh, well, I'm talking about me,
which I have never done before.
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I don't like talking about me.
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You know, um, talking about
everybody else, I'm cool with.
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I can go perform, but this is, like...
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pretty strange, a little different,
me talking about me.
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So, I'll do the best I can.
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Larger than life,
Vince McMahon,
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more famous than some
of the wrestling stars he helped create.
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McMahon has been called
the P.T. Barnum of wrestling,
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building WWE into an international
billion-dollar business.
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He's also
an on-screen presence
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as the billionaire bad guy boss.
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Where the hell have you been?
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For a long period of time,
people wondered who I really am.
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The portrayal of me is I'm a bad guy.
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But no one really knows me,
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and it's been a while
for me to try and figure out myself.
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I still haven't quite figured out
who I am.
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Do I know Vince McMahon?
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I don't think anybody knows Vince McMahon.
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Please welcome Mr. McMahon!
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People know who he is,
but they really don't know who he is.
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The person he puts out there,
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the larger-than-life promoter,
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a lot of that is a character.
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When it comes to him personally,
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he's going to show you
what he wants you to see.
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Very few people
are in control of a world.
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Vince McMahon was.
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He has built
something so powerful,
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so big, and so ingrained
in people generationally.
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He did things
that no one thought were possible.
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And he took no prisoners in the process.
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With Vince McMahon,
he comes as advertised.
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And what you expect,
that's exactly what you're gonna get.
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I love Vince,
and I have a lot of respect for him.
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But he was a guy that often lied to me
and let me down with his lies.
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Do you think
your dad gets a bad rap?
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Mm, I think my dad
gets the rap that he wants.
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Breaking news
that was just brought to me.
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{\an8}Vince McMahon,
the legendary CEO and chairman
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{\an8}of Worldwide Wrestling Entertainment,
is stepping aside.
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The Wall Street Journal
reports that WWE is investigating
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a secret $3 million settlement
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that Vince McMahon agreed to pay
a now former employee
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who McMahon is accused
of having a consensual affair with.
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It started with a tip,
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and the tip was that the board of WWE
had received an anonymous email.
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{\an8}The emailer was accusing McMahon
of having taken advantage of an employee
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{\an8}and then covered it up.
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{\an8}Another thing we heard was,
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"You're only scratching the surface,
and there's a lot more here."
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That first story in June 2022
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touched off a series of events
that included us reporting on other NDAs.
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Government investigations,
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Vince stepping down,
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Vince McMahon returning
and then selling the company,
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and then a lawsuit against him
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that contained some of the most
graphic details imaginable.
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{\an8}A WWE mogul resigning on Friday
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{\an8}after a former employee filed a lawsuit
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{\an8}accusing him of subjecting her to
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{\an8}"countless depraved and humiliating acts."
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I wish I could tell you the real stories.
Holy shit.
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- All right, give us one.
- No.
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- Why?
- That's what I'm saying.
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I don't wanna
tell you these stories.
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I'll give you enough
that it's semi-interesting.
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I don't want anybody to really know me.
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He's as polarizing
as he is entertaining.
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Vince McMahon is part renegade,
part mogul, and all showman.
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Over decades,
McMahon turned the WWE
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into a billion-dollar juggernaut.
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Throw in one part athletics,
one part theatrics,
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and more than a dash of violence,
and what do you get?
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One of America's favorite pastimes.
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One hundred percent, Grade-A Americana.
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The Justice Department
announced the indictment of a man
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who runs World Wrestling Entertainment.
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This is about crime.
This is about breaking the law.
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This was a tyrant,
a head of this organization,
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that ruled by fear.
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What did he know? What did he do?
And what did he try to hide?
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This goes beyond business.
It's a family matter as well.
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This is like Succession
in a wrestling ring.
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Another corporate leader
mired in a sex scandal.
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We're not talking about
garden-variety misconduct.
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We're talking about
some real awful things.
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A lot of Vince McMahon,
his ability to get away with stuff,
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was because he was also this character.
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Where does the line between
Vince McMahon and "Mr. McMahon" end?
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You're...FIRED!
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Well, the first thing
I need to tell you is...
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...you're not going to totally understand
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what happened or what is,
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because you'd have to live it
to comprehend it.
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You're only going to know
what they tell you.
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I just know wrestlers and promoters
and know this business,
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so you're not going to get,
you know, the whole enchilada.
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To explain what pro wrestling is,
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it's turning fantasy into reality.
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Go!
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Kane's on fire!
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I remember guys going,
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"Why do you watch that bullshit wrestling?
None of it is real."
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"Who cares? It's just phony wrestling."
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And it's like... "You're wrong."
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I look at what I did. That's an art form.
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Just watch the beauty of it.
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Wrestling's this curious phenomenon
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that allows people
to let out their aggression
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while watching a morality play.
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Most people when they're driving home,
they go, "Ah, it was all a show."
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"Son, none of that was real."
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But when they're there in the building,
you wanna believe it's real.
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I was a true artist.
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People that
weren't fans would say,
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"It's all fans that are too stupid
to realize that it's not real."
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No, it's all people that are smart enough
to accept the fact that it's a show
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and buy into characters and the storylines
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and engage in it in that matter.
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Pro wrestling
has always been a soap opera,
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just in broad primary colors.
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Here's your hero. Here's your villain.
Here's your damsel in distress.
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We give you an opportunity to feel.
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When you see everything that we do,
it's about emotion.
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- And it's about grandeur.
- Woo!
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That's what America is.
It's larger-than-life.
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It's great stories.
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Our form of entertainment
is American culture.
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Professional wrestling matters
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in that it's so much
a part of American culture,
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and nobody talks about it as mattering.
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Vince McMahon's influence and impact
is largely ignored,
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but it is affecting
the way the world around us is working.
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From there, we have to swing down
to Phoenix to do some PR for March 31st.
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This is 39-year-old
Vince McMahon,
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a third-generation wrestling promoter,
sometime announcer,
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and the force behind WWF.
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One day, we hope to be recognized as
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the premier source
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of sports entertainment
in the world today.
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{\an8}I got my start in the business
because of my dad.
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My dad was considered
best promoter in the business.
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I first met Vince McMahon Sr.
in Madison Square Garden
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when I was 15 years old.
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He looked and presented himself
like the Pope of Madison Square Garden.
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When I was growing up,
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I didn't know my last name was McMahon
until I met Dad when I was 12 years old.
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Before that,
I grew up in a trailer park with my mom
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and this certain stepfather
who was abusive.
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I got the crap beat out of me
on almost a daily basis.
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You just live with it
until you get out of it.
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When all that physical abuse
and everything was happening,
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never heard a word from my dad.
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I saw my dad for the first time...
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It's almost like my dad
had a glow about him.
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I ran up to him, open arms,
expecting to have this big hug.
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And I got a... You know,
on the back, like, "Hey, boy."
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"Mm. That was a little bit different."
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But nonetheless,
I fell in love with him right away.
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You could feel he had, at his heart,
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the way that you
wanted him to be... somewhat.
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Or maybe I was just bullshitting myself.
I don't know.
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My dad and I never had the conversation
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about why he wasn't in my life
during all those formative years.
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Even when I became much older,
we never talked about that.
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One thing that's
indisputably true about Vince McMahon
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is that he came from basically nothing.
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But once his father came into his life,
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whatever dreams of escape Vince had
went from the abstract to the concrete.
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He could point at his dad and say,
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"That's what I aspire to,
and that's gonna be my way out of this."
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I never saw much wrestling
on television until I met my dad,
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and then, "Oh, this is what he does."
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"Mm."
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"Look at these big charismatic
individuals, larger than life,
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and they have problems with each other,
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and the resolution is physical,
and they fight."
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"I like that."
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At that time, I had sort of
a strange relationship with my dad.
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We didn't play ball together or...
There was no camaraderie that way.
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We'd talk business, even at that age.
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That was sort of what we had in common,
other than the fact that we were blood.
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Vince and I met
when I was 13 and he was 16.
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I don't think I ever heard him talk
about doing anything else
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other than wanting to be involved
in the business of professional wrestling.
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I knew I wanted to be
in my dad's business.
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"Come on. There's gotta be something."
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That's when he allowed me
to go to Bangor, Maine.
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It's the furthest northern outpost
in my dad's territory.
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Bangor was a success,
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and my dad was thinking,
"Ah, kid did pretty well."
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Then, one day, I'm with my dad,
he's doing a television show,
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and our television announcer
kept asking for more money.
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The show's about ready to begin,
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and he said, "Well, if you don't pay me
what I want, I'm walking out."
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And my dad a lot of times
had these quarters,
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and he would click these quarters
in his hand as he was thinking.
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So I see him off like this,
and he's thinking.
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I said, "Pop, what are you gonna do?"
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"Go announce. You're the announcer."
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Show number one recording
of All-Star Wrestling
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in Hamburg, Pennsylvania.
Is this quick enough for you, Pop?
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Slated to, uh, play,
or just roll it, Daddy.
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Hello, everybody.
My name is Vince McMahon...
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So I start trying to BS my way through
as an announcer.
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Bobo, look at those neck muscles.
Big biceps.
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A great athlete, and really a deep...
Not to belabor a point,
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but it is indeed nice to have him
back here this... this week.
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Vince was a horrible commentator.
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But one thing that Vince had was emotion.
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And Vince told stories.
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I realized that I'm the conduit.
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{\an8}I have to translate to the audience
what's going on in the ring.
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"Here's the story that's being told."
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Zbyszko is facing a legend.
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Our business is no different
than a play, a movie, books.
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It's all the same.
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Okay, you have an environment,
so we establish what the environment is.
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They've jam-packed this arena...
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Next thing you have to do is create
some very interesting characters.
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Zbyszko, of course, the only individual
to have been trained by Bruno Sammartino.
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The good and the bad.
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A "babyface," which meant a good guy,
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and the other was a "heel,"
which meant a bad guy.
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And Sammartino
holds the rope open for Zbyszko.
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Too much...
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Uh oh.
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Oh... Look out!
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You introduce another character.
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Sends the referee flying out.
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Always this big finish.
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Zbyszko striking Sammartino,
and he really let him have it!
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Zbyszko couldn't take it!
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The formula is simple,
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but... not that easy to do.
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Sammartino laying in a pool of blood!
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Next week...
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Kept that job announcing for my dad.
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It wasn't long after that that my dad
wanted to get out of the business.
252
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He wanted to sell to someone.
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And when he was going to sell to someone,
he wasn't thinking about me.
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On behalf of...
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Matter of fact, he was going
to sell it to Gorilla Monsoon,
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who was a partner at that time.
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{\an8}Monsoon
with another little jab there.
258
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Ali's not finding his bark at all.
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When I joined the company,
Gorilla Monsoon was the heir apparent,
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and I could feel the tension right away.
261
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Gorilla Monsoon thinks I'm competition.
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Boy, was he right.
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When I proposed to buy my dad's business,
he made a deal with me.
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I'll give you x-number of dollars here,
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three months later this,
three months later that,
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and then the final payment.
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And if I miss a payment,
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then you get the business back
and keep the money.
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That appealed to my dad,
and appealed to his other stockholders,
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because they were thinking,
"This kid's not gonna make it."
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We took over
Vince's father's company.
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We actually were paying with money
that they would have been generating
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should they have stayed in the business.
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It was robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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Made the last payment,
and no one could believe it.
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My dad was really, really surprised.
277
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Do you think
your dad wanted you to succeed?
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I think my dad wanted me to succeed,
279
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but, then again,
sometimes I think he didn't.
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I honestly thought that
he didn't want to make it easy for Vince,
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that he really wanted to let him know
what it was like to struggle.
282
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But it was strange
because when I bought the business,
283
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there was some friction there,
284
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because my dad, he then worked for me,
285
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and I knew he didn't want what I wanted.
286
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Hello, everyone.
Welcome to All-American Wrestling...
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My vision
was to upgrade the product.
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My vision was to make this mainstream,
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not the lower-class
that everyone thought it was.
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I didn't want to be "pro wrestling."
I don't like that term today.
291
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{\an8}I wanted to be
something beyond pro wrestling.
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{\an8}I wanted us to grow and compete
293
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{\an8}against all these other promoters
all over the country.
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During this point in time,
the wrestling industry was regional
295
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and operated in what was called
the "territory system."
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There were separate wrestling companies
around the country,
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{\an8}and they each ran shows
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{\an8}both live and on TV
within their own territories.
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So, you had Florida,
you had Georgia,
300
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you had the Mid-Atlantic, the Carolinas.
301
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There was San Francisco,
Portland, Seattle.
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Vince's dad had the WWE,
which was then known as WWF,
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in the Northeast territory.
304
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And there were these imaginary lines
that no one crossed.
305
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It was a good ol' boy system.
306
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People had agreements,
and you didn't break those agreements.
307
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As soon as I closed the deal,
I knew right what I wanted to do.
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Go right into their territories.
309
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One of the great
World Wrestling Entertainment cities,
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St. Louis, Missouri, and indeed...
311
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Vince started promoting
his own shows
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in what would traditionally
be someone else's "territory."
313
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And that ruffled a lot of feathers.
314
00:17:44,688 --> 00:17:49,693
Whether it's in St. Louis, Los Angeles,
Hoboken, New Jersey, or wherever,
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00:17:49,777 --> 00:17:53,238
no doubt World Wrestling Entertainment
will be there.
316
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My dad was very much against that.
317
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He said, "Take it easy, Vinnie.
Don't rock the boat."
318
00:17:59,536 --> 00:18:03,332
It hurt my dad,
but at the same time, I'm in business.
319
00:18:04,249 --> 00:18:06,585
Other promoters
started threatening my dad.
320
00:18:06,668 --> 00:18:10,089
"You know, your kid, Vince, is going
to wind up at the bottom of a river."
321
00:18:10,172 --> 00:18:12,633
I don't know what it is.
These promoters, I guess,
322
00:18:12,716 --> 00:18:15,469
love the bottoms of rivers.
323
00:18:16,178 --> 00:18:19,056
Whenever I was threatened, I didn't care,
324
00:18:19,139 --> 00:18:21,850
'cause you didn't own anything.
325
00:18:21,934 --> 00:18:23,977
I'm competing with you.
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Back with you
here on All-Star Wrestling,
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{\an8}and joining me now, former nine-time
Heavyweight Champion of the World,
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Verne Gagne...
329
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I worked for Verne Gagne
in the AWA,
330
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{\an8}which was
one of the strongest territories.
331
00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:38,033
And as far as Verne Gagne was concerned,
332
00:18:38,117 --> 00:18:40,119
Vince was Satan.
333
00:18:40,202 --> 00:18:43,580
He was the devil.
He came and ruined all the territories.
334
00:18:43,664 --> 00:18:45,707
In a moment,
we'll take you to Tampa, Florida...
335
00:18:45,791 --> 00:18:50,295
Once they made their national expansion
and started shattering the territory mold,
336
00:18:51,088 --> 00:18:54,925
so many of the top talent who were
really fixtures in other territories
337
00:18:55,008 --> 00:18:59,471
decided to take a better opportunity
with Vince McMahon and the WWE.
338
00:19:00,305 --> 00:19:01,974
Our talent was making so much money,
339
00:19:02,558 --> 00:19:04,810
which attracted other talents.
340
00:19:04,893 --> 00:19:09,690
It's a virtual flood of wrestling talent
into World Wrestling Entertainment,
341
00:19:09,773 --> 00:19:11,692
the likes of which
we've never seen before.
342
00:19:12,276 --> 00:19:15,863
If you really look at what he did,
he was quite cutthroat.
343
00:19:15,946 --> 00:19:17,990
He basically went
into almost every territory
344
00:19:18,073 --> 00:19:19,491
and bought out their top guys,
345
00:19:19,575 --> 00:19:22,619
then he'd go back to their town
with the three or four guys
346
00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:24,705
that he stole from there.
347
00:19:24,788 --> 00:19:26,707
There was nothing
anybody could do about it.
348
00:19:26,790 --> 00:19:29,042
We understand
that you're attempting to invade
349
00:19:29,126 --> 00:19:31,503
almost every area in the United States.
350
00:19:31,587 --> 00:19:32,421
That's right...
351
00:19:32,504 --> 00:19:35,382
Most wrestlers that worked for Vince
came from somewhere else,
352
00:19:35,465 --> 00:19:39,136
and somebody else did the hard work
to make that person who they were.
353
00:19:39,887 --> 00:19:41,388
And one phone call,
354
00:19:41,471 --> 00:19:45,309
they ran and left that guy
standing in the dust.
355
00:19:45,392 --> 00:19:49,021
Just like he did with me.
"I can make you more money here."
356
00:19:49,104 --> 00:19:53,567
It's a dog-eat-dog world,
and you have to get your bite out of it.
357
00:19:54,610 --> 00:19:57,946
It was one of those things where
I'm not taking anything away from anyone.
358
00:19:58,030 --> 00:19:59,615
I'm building.
359
00:19:59,698 --> 00:20:03,410
And if you can't compete with me,
it's America.
360
00:20:04,745 --> 00:20:05,579
Tough.
361
00:20:06,705 --> 00:20:10,042
There's no doubt that the popularity
of World Wrestling Entertainment
362
00:20:10,125 --> 00:20:12,628
continues by leaps and bounds...
363
00:20:12,711 --> 00:20:16,131
At that time, I'm competing
with all these promoters successfully,
364
00:20:16,215 --> 00:20:19,801
so I then said,
"Okay, now I can do things my way."
365
00:20:21,345 --> 00:20:23,847
My dad chose Bob Backlund as a champion.
366
00:20:23,931 --> 00:20:26,767
I love to travel.
I love the fans. I love wrestling.
367
00:20:26,850 --> 00:20:28,810
Every minute of my life is a pleasure.
368
00:20:28,894 --> 00:20:30,062
All right, we appreciate...
369
00:20:30,145 --> 00:20:33,607
He was the All-American boy,
but a little too milquetoast.
370
00:20:33,690 --> 00:20:36,360
I was looking for someone
that had more charisma.
371
00:20:36,443 --> 00:20:39,738
Look at that.
Are you kidding me? Look at this.
372
00:20:39,821 --> 00:20:42,616
The Dream just pummeling this man now.
373
00:20:42,699 --> 00:20:43,617
Oh no.
374
00:20:43,700 --> 00:20:45,869
Okay, there was
Dusty Rhodes as a possibility.
375
00:20:45,953 --> 00:20:49,414
You can look up in this building
in a matter of few hours, when it's full,
376
00:20:49,498 --> 00:20:52,000
and you can see
a Black man and a white man
377
00:20:52,084 --> 00:20:54,920
eating out of the same popcorn box! Whoo!
378
00:20:55,963 --> 00:20:58,715
That's funky. That's the American dream.
379
00:20:59,299 --> 00:21:03,679
I had only ever been told by my father
that he just didn't believe in it.
380
00:21:04,388 --> 00:21:06,682
It seemed too large of an endeavor.
381
00:21:08,225 --> 00:21:11,144
Dusty could not take advantage
of the opportunity,
382
00:21:11,228 --> 00:21:14,189
and so I kept looking
for someone that would charm you,
383
00:21:14,273 --> 00:21:17,651
someone that would excite you,
someone that was larger than life.
384
00:21:18,986 --> 00:21:23,198
{\an8}This man
is not a television illusion.
385
00:21:24,741 --> 00:21:26,493
The first time I met Hulk Hogan,
386
00:21:27,202 --> 00:21:29,788
it was years before
I bought my dad's business.
387
00:21:29,871 --> 00:21:32,291
Wow,
what a physical specimen.
388
00:21:32,374 --> 00:21:35,127
And he was Sterling Golden.
389
00:21:35,210 --> 00:21:37,421
Sterling Golden...
390
00:21:37,504 --> 00:21:40,590
And my dad saw him and said,
"Nah, nah, that's not your name,"
391
00:21:40,674 --> 00:21:42,426
and he changed it to "Hulk Hogan."
392
00:21:43,010 --> 00:21:47,264
The Incredible Hulk Hogan!
393
00:21:47,347 --> 00:21:49,975
When they brought me up,
they needed somebody
394
00:21:50,058 --> 00:21:53,270
that the people thought
could beat Andre the Giant,
395
00:21:53,353 --> 00:21:54,896
who's one of their big stars.
396
00:21:56,064 --> 00:21:56,898
Hogan!
397
00:21:58,191 --> 00:21:59,401
Come here!
398
00:21:59,985 --> 00:22:03,488
Andre the Giant is
sports entertainment's first attraction.
399
00:22:04,323 --> 00:22:06,950
You could advertise Andre the Giant,
400
00:22:07,034 --> 00:22:08,243
draw a house.
401
00:22:08,327 --> 00:22:10,454
Hulk Hogan going for the...
402
00:22:10,537 --> 00:22:13,498
I was kind of like
Andre's other half.
403
00:22:13,582 --> 00:22:14,958
We'd wrestled everywhere.
404
00:22:15,542 --> 00:22:18,420
Shea Stadium was sold out
with me and Andre the Giant,
405
00:22:18,503 --> 00:22:20,630
so I was pretty well established.
406
00:22:20,714 --> 00:22:25,135
One of the ways I would get established
was to have these so-called "TV matches."
407
00:22:26,094 --> 00:22:29,806
During those matches,
I would wrestle two guys.
408
00:22:30,599 --> 00:22:32,934
Sylvester Stallone saw that,
409
00:22:33,018 --> 00:22:36,730
so that's how I ended up getting offered
the part in the Rocky movie.
410
00:22:38,065 --> 00:22:40,984
I was talking with Vince Sr.
about doing Rocky III,
411
00:22:41,068 --> 00:22:43,403
and Vince Sr. says,
"You're not doing that."
412
00:22:43,487 --> 00:22:47,866
"You're a wrestler." You know?
"You don't act, you don't do TV stuff."
413
00:22:47,949 --> 00:22:50,494
He asked my dad,
and my dad said, "No, no."
414
00:22:51,203 --> 00:22:55,499
Because my dad had invested a lot in Hogan
and wanted to get his money out of it.
415
00:22:55,999 --> 00:22:59,961
He goes, "If you do that, you're fired,
and you'll never work here again."
416
00:23:00,045 --> 00:23:01,505
I said, "Okay, cool."
417
00:23:04,132 --> 00:23:05,008
Yeah!
418
00:23:05,092 --> 00:23:08,261
When I did the Rocky movie,
I knew it was gonna be big.
419
00:23:09,137 --> 00:23:11,056
I'm coming after you, Balboa.
420
00:23:11,139 --> 00:23:12,641
Say hello to my little friend!
421
00:23:12,724 --> 00:23:15,310
If you took Scarface,
if you took The Godfather,
422
00:23:15,936 --> 00:23:18,980
the Rocky franchise
was bigger than all that.
423
00:23:19,064 --> 00:23:20,941
It was Americana.
424
00:23:21,691 --> 00:23:23,860
I knew it was going to put me on the map.
425
00:23:25,070 --> 00:23:26,571
It just went crazy.
426
00:23:26,655 --> 00:23:28,907
Would you welcome Hulk Hogan.
427
00:23:30,325 --> 00:23:32,035
You are one good-sized person.
428
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,328
Thank you, thank you.
429
00:23:34,162 --> 00:23:35,330
One big man...
430
00:23:35,414 --> 00:23:37,999
In the middle of this,
Verne Gagne got a hold of me,
431
00:23:38,083 --> 00:23:40,210
he goes,
"How quick can you get to Minnesota?"
432
00:23:41,128 --> 00:23:44,381
Hulk Hogan, back in the AWA,
and I cannot believe...
433
00:23:44,464 --> 00:23:47,884
When I went to the AWA,
I started the Hulkamania stuff.
434
00:23:47,968 --> 00:23:49,553
I started ripping my shirt off.
435
00:23:50,137 --> 00:23:53,432
And it was growing and becoming dominant.
436
00:23:54,015 --> 00:23:58,854
I followed his career, and he was
really honing in on his talents.
437
00:23:58,937 --> 00:24:02,190
Here comes Hogan! Here is the leg smash!
438
00:24:02,274 --> 00:24:04,609
I am the champion! This is your belt!
439
00:24:04,693 --> 00:24:08,822
Vince came to me and said,
"I want to take over all the territories,
440
00:24:08,905 --> 00:24:12,784
and I want to do it with you."
And I went, "Let's go, brother."
441
00:24:13,368 --> 00:24:17,372
Hulk knew where the business was going,
and he... he knew Vince was the direction.
442
00:24:17,456 --> 00:24:19,916
It was an easy decision.
Some guy's gonna push you
443
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,919
and make you the biggest star
and you're gonna go national,
444
00:24:23,003 --> 00:24:26,465
the other guy just wants to promote
Minneapolis, Chicago, and Milwaukee.
445
00:24:26,548 --> 00:24:29,759
I'd been dreaming my whole career
about going back,
446
00:24:29,843 --> 00:24:32,429
and when Vince said
what he was gonna do with me,
447
00:24:32,512 --> 00:24:34,931
I knew what was going to happen.
448
00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:37,100
- Oh!
- Gotta be kidding!
449
00:24:37,184 --> 00:24:38,894
Hulk Hogan!
450
00:24:38,977 --> 00:24:42,731
I would like to thank the WWE
for bringing the Hulkster back...
451
00:24:42,814 --> 00:24:45,984
So somehow I had to transfer
the title from Bob Backlund
452
00:24:46,067 --> 00:24:47,152
to get to Hogan.
453
00:24:47,235 --> 00:24:50,030
I couldn't make that match.
They were two "babyfaces."
454
00:24:50,113 --> 00:24:52,699
So I used the Iron Sheik.
455
00:24:52,782 --> 00:24:54,075
Bob Backlund!
456
00:24:57,454 --> 00:24:59,706
The Iron Sheik from Iran
457
00:24:59,789 --> 00:25:05,420
was one of the most disliked individuals
we've ever had as a heel in our company.
458
00:25:07,631 --> 00:25:11,843
Now, there was lot of nationalism then.
A lot of "rah, rah, America."
459
00:25:12,427 --> 00:25:14,554
And for years, we had problems with Iran.
460
00:25:14,638 --> 00:25:17,599
The President met with the
National Security Council in Washington
461
00:25:17,682 --> 00:25:19,768
about the fast-breaking
developments in Iran.
462
00:25:20,435 --> 00:25:23,688
There was American hostages
that are being held in Iran.
463
00:25:23,772 --> 00:25:27,067
It's front-page news.
There's talk about it every single day.
464
00:25:28,151 --> 00:25:30,445
So when the Iron Sheik
would be in the ring,
465
00:25:30,529 --> 00:25:32,030
waving the Iranian flag and all that...
466
00:25:32,113 --> 00:25:33,990
Iran number one!
467
00:25:34,074 --> 00:25:36,368
...that got a negative reaction.
468
00:25:37,035 --> 00:25:41,498
You look at what is happening,
and you try and tell a story off of that
469
00:25:41,581 --> 00:25:44,417
and have people be able to react in a way
470
00:25:44,501 --> 00:25:46,920
they couldn't necessarily
react in real life.
471
00:25:47,003 --> 00:25:49,548
Again, a lot of people
do not like the Iron Sheik.
472
00:25:49,631 --> 00:25:53,134
You can't find an Iranian sheik
walking down the street
473
00:25:53,218 --> 00:25:57,013
that you can boo and hiss at
and see him get beat up,
474
00:25:57,097 --> 00:26:00,058
but you could go
to the wrestling matches and see it.
475
00:26:00,141 --> 00:26:01,268
Iran sucks!
476
00:26:01,351 --> 00:26:03,770
What are they chanting?
"Iran" what?
477
00:26:03,853 --> 00:26:06,314
I don't wanna say, Vince.
478
00:26:06,398 --> 00:26:10,193
It doesn't always age well,
but you look at the movies.
479
00:26:11,027 --> 00:26:15,615
Movies depicted Japan
as the evil empire attacking America.
480
00:26:15,699 --> 00:26:18,868
Anybody from Japan was not to be trusted.
481
00:26:18,952 --> 00:26:19,786
Germany.
482
00:26:19,869 --> 00:26:20,787
You are a liar!
483
00:26:21,913 --> 00:26:22,789
Russians.
484
00:26:22,872 --> 00:26:25,125
If he dies, he dies.
485
00:26:25,917 --> 00:26:28,587
You were taught
at an early age...
486
00:26:31,590 --> 00:26:36,886
these people, foreigners,
they were the bad guys.
487
00:26:36,970 --> 00:26:38,138
From Russia...
488
00:26:38,221 --> 00:26:39,723
Right, wrong, indifferent,
489
00:26:39,806 --> 00:26:43,727
{\an8}in that time, your bad guy
was the Russian bad guy,
490
00:26:44,311 --> 00:26:46,771
the German bad guy, the Japanese bad guy.
491
00:26:47,522 --> 00:26:50,191
And it was easy to understand for people.
492
00:26:50,734 --> 00:26:52,152
Banzai!
493
00:26:52,235 --> 00:26:55,322
Wrestling
is an imitation of the world.
494
00:26:55,405 --> 00:26:58,366
If you want to know what America is like,
watch wrestling.
495
00:26:58,950 --> 00:27:00,201
We show you yourself.
496
00:27:00,285 --> 00:27:02,162
Tell me
a wrestler you don't like.
497
00:27:02,245 --> 00:27:03,788
The Sheik, man, the Sheik.
498
00:27:03,872 --> 00:27:05,832
- Sheik.
- The Iron Sheik.
499
00:27:06,416 --> 00:27:09,210
-How come you don't like him?
-He's from another country, man.
500
00:27:09,294 --> 00:27:10,503
He's from another country.
501
00:27:10,587 --> 00:27:13,757
Vince sees what's going on.
He followed the river.
502
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:17,344
That's how he became rich.
He never swam upstream.
503
00:27:20,013 --> 00:27:24,768
You can look back on anything and say,
"Oh, I bet you regret that."
504
00:27:24,851 --> 00:27:29,230
Well, you know, look back on
ten years, twenty years, five years ago,
505
00:27:29,314 --> 00:27:30,940
life was different then.
506
00:27:31,024 --> 00:27:33,234
Things were different,
values were different,
507
00:27:33,318 --> 00:27:35,570
and you can't take the values of today
508
00:27:35,654 --> 00:27:38,615
and look back and say,
"The same values apply to that."
509
00:27:38,698 --> 00:27:41,910
It was a different time, different life,
different set of values then.
510
00:27:41,993 --> 00:27:45,664
If it were done today?
Wow. That would be a problem.
511
00:27:45,747 --> 00:27:49,167
But then?
I didn't think it was a real big deal.
512
00:27:49,668 --> 00:27:52,253
{\an8}The Iron Sheik!
513
00:27:55,048 --> 00:27:59,135
So, I wanted to transfer
the title from Backlund to the Iron Sheik,
514
00:27:59,678 --> 00:28:04,933
and then of course, setting us up
for this big, blond-haired, All-American
515
00:28:05,016 --> 00:28:07,894
to come in
and beat the Iron Sheik from Iran.
516
00:28:09,938 --> 00:28:11,856
Hulk Hogan needed
the ultimate opponent,
517
00:28:11,940 --> 00:28:13,316
and the timing was impeccable.
518
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:16,820
It's the All-American hero
versus this evil Iranian.
519
00:28:17,404 --> 00:28:21,783
The "Eye of the Tiger"
as Hulk Hogan enters the squared circle!
520
00:28:22,409 --> 00:28:23,785
{\an8}Back then,
521
00:28:23,868 --> 00:28:27,163
{\an8}Vince made the decision
if I was gonna win or lose the match,
522
00:28:27,247 --> 00:28:29,833
{\an8}but what we physically did in the ring,
523
00:28:29,916 --> 00:28:32,502
I called in the ring on the spot.
524
00:28:32,585 --> 00:28:34,045
We didn't rehearse anything.
525
00:28:34,129 --> 00:28:36,172
That's the art form of wrestling.
526
00:28:38,591 --> 00:28:41,886
I jumped in before the bell rang.
Didn't tell him I was gonna do it.
527
00:28:41,970 --> 00:28:43,513
Felt like the right thing to do.
528
00:28:43,596 --> 00:28:47,600
Hulk has the Sheik's robe,
and he clotheslined him with it!
529
00:28:47,684 --> 00:28:50,478
I didn't tell him I was gonna
clothesline him and choke him out.
530
00:28:50,562 --> 00:28:52,188
It just all happens.
531
00:28:52,272 --> 00:28:53,857
The Hulk now is in trouble.
532
00:28:53,940 --> 00:28:55,442
You have listen to the crowd.
533
00:28:55,525 --> 00:28:57,318
And the noise is deafening!
534
00:28:57,402 --> 00:28:59,779
You kind of feel it,
you listen, you think.
535
00:28:59,863 --> 00:29:02,115
Hulk Hogan
drops the big leg on him!
536
00:29:02,699 --> 00:29:05,034
One, two... He's done it!
537
00:29:06,119 --> 00:29:09,497
It was a really huge response
from Madison Square Garden.
538
00:29:10,749 --> 00:29:13,334
Hulkamania is here.
539
00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:17,130
And of course everyone knows
of Hulk Hogan to this day.
540
00:29:17,213 --> 00:29:20,967
All I asked was for the whole WWE
to stand behind the Hulkster,
541
00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:23,428
and I told them I'd bring it home
for the USA!
542
00:29:23,511 --> 00:29:25,305
Hulkamania is running worldwide!
543
00:29:26,639 --> 00:29:27,474
What a...
544
00:29:27,557 --> 00:29:29,684
To put the belt
on the Iron Sheik,
545
00:29:29,768 --> 00:29:32,979
{\an8}and then have the business direction
that the belt's coming to me
546
00:29:33,062 --> 00:29:36,816
because we need a guy to be
the hood ornament to take over the world,
547
00:29:36,900 --> 00:29:40,737
that was a business decision
that Vince had to execute creatively,
548
00:29:41,821 --> 00:29:43,656
and it worked.
549
00:29:43,740 --> 00:29:45,784
Many fans feel
that Hulk Hogan is perhaps
550
00:29:45,867 --> 00:29:48,703
the most exciting
pro wrestling champion ever.
551
00:29:48,787 --> 00:29:53,792
You can't overemphasize
the importance of Hulk Hogan.
552
00:29:53,875 --> 00:29:56,085
You take Hulk Hogan
out of the equation, I think, uh...
553
00:29:56,169 --> 00:29:57,712
I think Vince fails in his expansion.
554
00:29:57,796 --> 00:29:59,839
I'm relatively certain
he fails in his expansion.
555
00:30:00,882 --> 00:30:03,009
Pro wrestling is a star-driven business,
556
00:30:03,092 --> 00:30:06,221
and the ability to make stars
is what makes you popular.
557
00:30:06,805 --> 00:30:10,266
Vince was much better at making stars
than all of these other promoters
558
00:30:10,350 --> 00:30:11,518
because his father was.
559
00:30:12,185 --> 00:30:16,064
Vince McMahon Sr.
was really good at making the top guys
560
00:30:16,147 --> 00:30:17,524
come across like stars,
561
00:30:17,607 --> 00:30:20,318
which was more important
than having good wrestling matches.
562
00:30:20,401 --> 00:30:23,238
That was Vince's strength
because it was his father's strength.
563
00:30:23,863 --> 00:30:27,200
There is a point when my dad
told me he was proud of me.
564
00:30:27,826 --> 00:30:28,993
He said, "You know, Vinnie,
565
00:30:29,077 --> 00:30:30,995
all these friends of mine
aren't really friends."
566
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:33,790
"These promoters I've worked with
all these years in their territories,
567
00:30:33,873 --> 00:30:35,375
you know, fuck them."
568
00:30:35,458 --> 00:30:37,377
"You're beating all of them."
569
00:30:37,460 --> 00:30:39,712
"I'm proud of you for what you've done.
Fuck them all."
570
00:30:39,796 --> 00:30:42,507
And I thought... "Wow."
571
00:30:43,049 --> 00:30:46,219
First time my dad ever said anything
like that, that he was on my side.
572
00:30:47,345 --> 00:30:50,473
Of course,
he waited until I was a success.
573
00:30:50,557 --> 00:30:53,893
And maybe he felt that way all along,
but he never told me.
574
00:30:53,977 --> 00:30:56,729
That was one
of the biggest moments of my life.
575
00:30:59,607 --> 00:31:01,025
Until...
576
00:31:04,821 --> 00:31:09,033
We'd like to have you all rise
in a moment of silence
577
00:31:09,117 --> 00:31:12,829
for Mr. Vincent J. McMahon.
578
00:31:13,329 --> 00:31:17,667
The day before he died was the only time
that he told me that he loved me,
579
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:20,461
but, wow. He told me. Before he died.
580
00:31:21,838 --> 00:31:23,089
God, it felt so good.
581
00:31:25,300 --> 00:31:27,552
Whether or not they care for you or not,
582
00:31:27,635 --> 00:31:30,597
it's so wonderful in life
to have someone that you care for.
583
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:33,850
And I had that opportunity
to really care about my dad
584
00:31:33,933 --> 00:31:35,435
and to love my dad.
585
00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:41,900
I don't think he liked his father,
to be honest with you.
586
00:31:42,817 --> 00:31:45,069
Why do you say that?
587
00:31:46,946 --> 00:31:48,364
When Jr. came along,
588
00:31:48,448 --> 00:31:51,075
he had a vision
that wrestling is going to change.
589
00:31:51,159 --> 00:31:53,119
It can't remain the same.
590
00:31:53,202 --> 00:31:58,124
And every idea that came out of his head
drove his father up the roof.
591
00:31:58,207 --> 00:31:59,709
Drove the wrestlers up the roof.
592
00:31:59,792 --> 00:32:02,837
I remember guys in the dressing room
talking about how nutty he was.
593
00:32:03,421 --> 00:32:08,843
When Vince became the owner of the company
and he and his father started to clash.
594
00:32:09,969 --> 00:32:16,601
The clashes were mostly
because of Vince Sr.'s lack of willingness
595
00:32:16,684 --> 00:32:20,647
to accept where the industry
and the business was headed.
596
00:32:22,523 --> 00:32:26,486
Vince come along with these ideas
that we thought were crazy.
597
00:32:27,111 --> 00:32:29,447
It was just... It was not wrestling.
598
00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:34,494
Vince had ideas about programming
to a younger audience,
599
00:32:35,078 --> 00:32:39,582
and not shying away from the fact
that this was scripted entertainment.
600
00:32:39,666 --> 00:32:42,877
Vince really wanted to grow and expand.
601
00:32:42,961 --> 00:32:45,838
While everybody else
was looking at the territories,
602
00:32:46,506 --> 00:32:49,926
Vince understood that
national cable was the future.
603
00:32:50,009 --> 00:32:52,553
It was clear to me from the very beginning
604
00:32:52,637 --> 00:32:55,682
that Vince was looking at
a bigger distribution.
605
00:32:55,765 --> 00:33:00,687
USA Network
became the marketing channel for WWE.
606
00:33:01,270 --> 00:33:05,108
{\an8}Vince always wanted to promote
something new that they were doing.
607
00:33:05,191 --> 00:33:06,484
Be careful!
608
00:33:06,567 --> 00:33:08,987
Vince was never
in the wrestling business.
609
00:33:09,070 --> 00:33:11,197
He was always
in the entertainment business.
610
00:33:13,074 --> 00:33:16,703
Like, for example,
when he first came in and took over,
611
00:33:16,786 --> 00:33:21,040
he made that talk show,
and we thought he was off his deep end.
612
00:33:21,124 --> 00:33:23,209
Thank you and welcome to TNT...
613
00:33:23,292 --> 00:33:25,962
It was so much fun.
614
00:33:26,546 --> 00:33:27,588
That's right!
615
00:33:27,672 --> 00:33:31,092
It was the Wild West
in a talk show format,
616
00:33:32,051 --> 00:33:33,011
It was a riot.
617
00:33:33,094 --> 00:33:34,387
Whoa!
618
00:33:34,470 --> 00:33:35,930
You stupid idiot!
619
00:33:36,014 --> 00:33:39,183
Vince was experimenting
with different kinds of ways
620
00:33:39,267 --> 00:33:42,145
to expose the talent
to different audiences.
621
00:33:42,228 --> 00:33:44,272
I'm in favor of that, for sure.
622
00:33:44,355 --> 00:33:49,277
He always wanted to use wrestling
as a stepping stone into other stuff.
623
00:33:50,194 --> 00:33:54,073
Our company was growing,
and things just started opening up.
624
00:33:54,157 --> 00:33:57,285
And it's like,
"Yeah, let's do this. Let's do that."
625
00:33:57,869 --> 00:34:02,415
The voice of World Wrestling Entertainment
and host of TNT, Mr. Vince McMahon.
626
00:34:04,333 --> 00:34:08,755
{\an8}Dave, as you know, um, there are lots
of mothers in New York City...
627
00:34:08,838 --> 00:34:11,841
{\an8}There was an overlap
that you and Vince had early on.
628
00:34:11,924 --> 00:34:14,260
Oh! Yeah, yeah.
629
00:34:14,343 --> 00:34:17,430
{\an8}It was Letterman's
third anniversary show,
630
00:34:17,513 --> 00:34:21,601
and they decide
if a baby was born during the show,
631
00:34:21,684 --> 00:34:25,063
then that baby
would become the "Late Night Baby."
632
00:34:25,146 --> 00:34:29,942
And so they sent Vince McMahon
to one maternity ward, and me to another.
633
00:34:30,026 --> 00:34:32,653
-Vince, I have a question for you.
-Yes, David.
634
00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:34,155
Is that your tuxedo?
635
00:34:34,238 --> 00:34:36,240
-Uh, no, actually, it's not.
-Okay.
636
00:34:38,326 --> 00:34:41,079
I think Vince enjoyed
being on David Letterman.
637
00:34:41,162 --> 00:34:44,248
It was as culturally hip a show
as you could find.
638
00:34:44,957 --> 00:34:46,834
It was a mark of credibility
639
00:34:46,918 --> 00:34:49,712
if David Letterman
gave you a figurative thumbs up.
640
00:34:49,796 --> 00:34:52,215
Question, Larry. Is that your tux?
641
00:34:52,298 --> 00:34:55,051
-No, it's not.
-All right. Back to you!
642
00:34:55,676 --> 00:34:57,678
Vince always looked at
643
00:34:57,762 --> 00:35:02,433
how could he connect different aspects
of the world of entertainment.
644
00:35:02,517 --> 00:35:04,393
How can we co-brand with something
645
00:35:04,477 --> 00:35:07,563
and make both of our brands
bigger and stronger?
646
00:35:10,024 --> 00:35:14,278
Hi! You're listening to MTV,
Music Television,
647
00:35:14,362 --> 00:35:16,114
and I'm Cyndi Lauper.
648
00:35:16,197 --> 00:35:21,577
Cyndi Lauper was on MTV at that time,
and she was a huge star.
649
00:35:21,661 --> 00:35:25,581
♪ Oh, girls just wanna have fun... ♪
650
00:35:25,665 --> 00:35:28,000
For the uninitiated,
this is Cyndi Lauper,
651
00:35:28,084 --> 00:35:32,547
whose debut album, She's So Unusual,
placed four singles in the top five.
652
00:35:32,630 --> 00:35:35,341
On the video for one of them,
"Girls Just Want to Have Fun,"
653
00:35:35,424 --> 00:35:38,302
Captain Lou Albano
appeared as Cyndi's father.
654
00:35:38,386 --> 00:35:41,597
Cyndi Lauper met Captain Lou Albano
on a plane...
655
00:35:41,681 --> 00:35:43,349
Let me in! I wanna see Cyndi Lauper!
656
00:35:43,432 --> 00:35:46,060
...and felt that
there could be some connection.
657
00:35:46,144 --> 00:35:48,271
- Heavy metal wrestling goes.
- Heavy metal...
658
00:35:48,354 --> 00:35:52,191
And there's an opportunity
to grow our businesses. Both of us.
659
00:35:52,859 --> 00:35:56,237
Cyndi, tell all these people out here
how I made you a superstar.
660
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,031
Tell them how you came
off my reputation, Cyndi!
661
00:35:59,115 --> 00:36:01,576
-How all women are nothing, Cyndi!
-What?!
662
00:36:03,494 --> 00:36:07,623
Cyndi was associated with us,
and that made MTV think,
663
00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:10,668
"Here's Cyndi,
she's going into this other genre."
664
00:36:10,751 --> 00:36:13,045
"Let's work with
this other genre as well."
665
00:36:13,129 --> 00:36:15,882
This week on MTV.
The Brawl, Sunday...
666
00:36:15,965 --> 00:36:18,342
We did
two television shows on MTV.
667
00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:22,388
Got great ratings for MTV,
and it was a great storyline.
668
00:36:22,471 --> 00:36:24,974
I challenge you, you fat bag of wind!
669
00:36:25,057 --> 00:36:27,894
At that time, women's wrestling was...
670
00:36:29,729 --> 00:36:32,398
...déclassé in a déclassé business.
671
00:36:32,481 --> 00:36:33,649
Let me tell you something...
672
00:36:33,733 --> 00:36:34,859
So I thought,
673
00:36:34,942 --> 00:36:37,528
"I'll have Cyndi connect
with one of our female performers."
674
00:36:37,612 --> 00:36:39,572
"That'll make that division mean more."
675
00:36:41,073 --> 00:36:42,950
-Yeah!
-Moolah's going down!
676
00:36:43,034 --> 00:36:44,952
That's right!
677
00:36:45,036 --> 00:36:48,080
Wendi Richter
was the choice to represent Cyndi.
678
00:36:48,664 --> 00:36:51,167
I just got a call
from her out of the blue
679
00:36:51,250 --> 00:36:54,670
asking if I could
represent her in the ring.
680
00:36:54,754 --> 00:36:57,131
And I said, "Sure."
681
00:36:57,215 --> 00:37:02,470
Managing the challenger,
Cyndi Lauper!
682
00:37:04,472 --> 00:37:09,352
There was a buzz in the arena,
and it was because of her involvement.
683
00:37:09,435 --> 00:37:11,437
This crowd is on their feet!
684
00:37:12,396 --> 00:37:16,108
At this point, many of my friends,
we were wrestling fans.
685
00:37:16,192 --> 00:37:19,654
We liked the whole
tongue-in-cheek aspect of it.
686
00:37:19,737 --> 00:37:23,908
Like, here's a mainstream sports guy,
and now he's lending his voice
687
00:37:23,991 --> 00:37:27,578
to introducing Hulk Hogan
and "Rowdy" Roddy Piper,
688
00:37:27,662 --> 00:37:29,121
and he's doing it straight.
689
00:37:29,205 --> 00:37:31,666
Thank you, Howard.
This is indeed an honor.
690
00:37:31,749 --> 00:37:33,834
It was funny. I loved it.
691
00:37:33,918 --> 00:37:35,169
Oh, they're at it!
692
00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:39,465
Rock 'n' Wrestling Connection!
693
00:37:39,548 --> 00:37:41,133
- Wow!
- Oh!
694
00:37:41,217 --> 00:37:43,135
- Look out!
- Oh!
695
00:37:43,219 --> 00:37:46,931
You've gotta be kidding me!
Here comes Mr. T, ladies and gentlemen!
696
00:37:47,014 --> 00:37:51,769
I had made friends with Mr. T,
and Mr. T was white-hot at the time,
697
00:37:51,852 --> 00:37:53,396
{\an8}just really on fire.
698
00:37:53,479 --> 00:37:54,313
♪ Mr. T... ♪
699
00:37:54,397 --> 00:37:57,066
So you bring the celebrity into our world.
700
00:37:58,150 --> 00:38:01,195
We've got a madhouse.
What is going on? Ladies and gentlemen...
701
00:38:01,279 --> 00:38:02,405
Pandemonium!
702
00:38:04,782 --> 00:38:07,451
To have this partnership with MTV,
703
00:38:07,535 --> 00:38:10,621
it was quite a step up
from what we had been doing.
704
00:38:10,705 --> 00:38:12,540
MTV was red-hot back then,
705
00:38:12,623 --> 00:38:16,210
so this product
that Vince McMahon put together
706
00:38:16,294 --> 00:38:19,505
just wasn't in the back rooms
for people that smoke cigars.
707
00:38:19,588 --> 00:38:21,590
I mean, this was getting to be mainstream.
708
00:38:22,300 --> 00:38:24,051
It changed wrestling.
709
00:38:24,135 --> 00:38:27,888
Now, it's... it's okay for people to say,
"I watch wrestling."
710
00:38:27,972 --> 00:38:32,059
Andy Warhol, your impressions
of what took place earlier on here.
711
00:38:32,143 --> 00:38:33,436
I'm speechless.
712
00:38:33,519 --> 00:38:36,897
Uh, it's just so exciting.
I just don't know what to say.
713
00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:38,399
I don't think it's over.
714
00:38:38,482 --> 00:38:42,194
I think we have just seen
the tip of the iceberg.
715
00:38:43,821 --> 00:38:47,325
At that time, the business
was growing leaps and bounds
716
00:38:47,408 --> 00:38:49,327
and I enjoyed putting in the work.
717
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:52,872
But my wife, finally,
"You need a vacation."
718
00:38:52,955 --> 00:38:56,375
So I went to the Caribbean someplace
for two days.
719
00:38:57,043 --> 00:39:00,588
I came back the next day and announced,
"We're gonna have one big event a year,
720
00:39:00,671 --> 00:39:04,133
just like the Super Bowl,
and we're gonna call it WrestleMania."
721
00:39:04,216 --> 00:39:06,510
She turned to me and she said,
722
00:39:06,594 --> 00:39:08,679
"You weren't relaxing
or enjoying any of that."
723
00:39:08,763 --> 00:39:10,723
"You were thinking
about business."
724
00:39:11,432 --> 00:39:14,727
On Sunday afternoon,
March 31st, it's WrestleMania.
725
00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:17,063
Mr. T risks it all
wrestling for the first time,
726
00:39:17,146 --> 00:39:19,023
teaming up with champion Hulk Hogan...
727
00:39:19,106 --> 00:39:23,694
You will see the greatest
production of wrestling ever in the world.
728
00:39:23,778 --> 00:39:25,446
Wrestling history will be made.
729
00:39:25,529 --> 00:39:27,615
The Woodstock of professional wrestling.
730
00:39:28,240 --> 00:39:31,327
WrestleMania was obviously
just, again, common sense.
731
00:39:31,952 --> 00:39:33,037
There was a Super Bowl
732
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,040
and other big culminations
of sports and things of that nature,
733
00:39:36,123 --> 00:39:40,961
so why wouldn't we have
one big end-of-the-season type deal?
734
00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:42,505
-WrestleMania.
-WrestleMania.
735
00:39:42,588 --> 00:39:43,464
WrestleMania.
736
00:39:43,547 --> 00:39:46,133
Maybe we could take this one huge event
737
00:39:46,217 --> 00:39:48,969
and put it on
what was known as "closed-circuit."
738
00:39:49,053 --> 00:39:52,348
There will be over a million people
watching on closed-circuit television
739
00:39:52,431 --> 00:39:54,266
all over the, uh, United States.
740
00:39:54,350 --> 00:39:57,603
Closed-circuit
was simply a very large projector
741
00:39:57,686 --> 00:40:01,607
projecting on a screen
in an arena what you were presenting.
742
00:40:01,690 --> 00:40:05,569
And you paid money, as if it were
a live event, to come in and watch.
743
00:40:05,653 --> 00:40:09,824
That concept today sounds ridiculous,
but that's the way it was then.
744
00:40:10,408 --> 00:40:14,620
Closed-circuit television,
every major city in the United States.
745
00:40:14,703 --> 00:40:15,704
Not only that, Jack.
746
00:40:15,788 --> 00:40:20,543
but it's going to 24 foreign countries
on big screen.
747
00:40:20,626 --> 00:40:23,170
The hype worked so well
that Hulk Hogan and Mr. T
748
00:40:23,254 --> 00:40:25,214
have been granted
the ultimate yuppie honor:
749
00:40:25,297 --> 00:40:27,049
co-hosting Saturday Night Live.
750
00:40:27,133 --> 00:40:31,387
Mr. T and Hulk Hogan!
751
00:40:31,470 --> 00:40:33,097
We got a big match coming up.
752
00:40:33,180 --> 00:40:36,267
Madison Square Garden.
WrestleMania, that is. Hulk Hogan...
753
00:40:36,350 --> 00:40:38,227
In terms of publicity
for WrestleMania,
754
00:40:38,310 --> 00:40:41,814
you wanted to invite the media
as much as you possibly could.
755
00:40:43,023 --> 00:40:44,984
We had an event
in Madison Square Garden.
756
00:40:45,067 --> 00:40:47,695
{\an8}This isn't really wrestling.
This is wrassling.
757
00:40:47,778 --> 00:40:50,281
{\an8}And John Stossel,
from one of the networks,
758
00:40:50,364 --> 00:40:52,491
wanted to interview
some of our performers.
759
00:40:53,117 --> 00:40:55,369
John Stossel's there
under the premise
760
00:40:55,453 --> 00:40:58,080
that he wants to find out
if Hulk Hogan's really as popular
761
00:40:58,164 --> 00:40:59,415
as the New York Times said.
762
00:40:59,498 --> 00:41:03,627
And as we're walking, he goes,
"Do you guys use razor blades to bleed?"
763
00:41:03,711 --> 00:41:06,422
And I said, "Are you kidding me?
Isn't that kind of masochistic?"
764
00:41:06,505 --> 00:41:09,800
My head was already carved up
from the last couple weeks, you know?
765
00:41:09,884 --> 00:41:12,261
Man, I make a beeline to Vince.
766
00:41:12,344 --> 00:41:17,766
I say, "Vince, this guy is not here
to find out how popular Hulk Hogan is,
767
00:41:17,850 --> 00:41:19,810
he's here
to expose the wrestling business."
768
00:41:20,394 --> 00:41:22,730
And Vince come
into the dressing room,
769
00:41:22,813 --> 00:41:26,150
and he said there was a reporter here
that run around asking wrestlers,
770
00:41:26,233 --> 00:41:27,276
"Is wrestling fake?"
771
00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:31,447
Fans, I'm afraid
I have to tell you, it is fake.
772
00:41:32,031 --> 00:41:34,492
He said, "I wish somebody'd
do something with that guy."
773
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:40,039
I did not hear Vince McMahon say anything
about putting him in his place.
774
00:41:40,122 --> 00:41:41,499
That's verbiage I never heard.
775
00:41:42,082 --> 00:41:44,210
He didn't tell us to do it,
776
00:41:44,293 --> 00:41:48,589
but he said, "I wish someone
would take care of that guy,"
777
00:41:48,672 --> 00:41:50,424
and walked out of the dressing room.
778
00:41:51,217 --> 00:41:53,552
There was a wrestler
by the name of David Schultz,
779
00:41:53,636 --> 00:41:55,971
decided he would step into the shot.
780
00:41:56,055 --> 00:41:58,140
- I think this is fake.
- You think it's fake?
781
00:41:59,475 --> 00:42:03,938
Out of nowhere, David Schultz
just slaps the crap out of Stossel.
782
00:42:04,021 --> 00:42:05,898
You think it's fake? Come...
783
00:42:06,857 --> 00:42:08,776
- Cut!
- Huh? What do you mean?
784
00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:12,988
Do you remember
Vince's reaction to John getting hit?
785
00:42:13,072 --> 00:42:14,573
We all celebrated.
786
00:42:15,074 --> 00:42:16,450
Not just Vince, everybody.
787
00:42:16,534 --> 00:42:19,495
David was getting pats on the back,
people was buying him drinks.
788
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:23,499
Well, at the time,
we were very protective of the business,
789
00:42:23,582 --> 00:42:27,795
because wrestling is not fake.
It's predetermined, it's exhibition,
790
00:42:27,878 --> 00:42:31,674
but I can tell you, in the last 10 years,
I've had 23 surgeries.
791
00:42:31,757 --> 00:42:32,675
In 10 years.
792
00:42:32,758 --> 00:42:35,678
So if that's fake,
please explain it to me.
793
00:42:35,761 --> 00:42:36,929
I didn't get the memo.
794
00:42:37,012 --> 00:42:41,225
At the time, you gotta realize, you know,
they were protecting the business.
795
00:42:41,308 --> 00:42:42,643
We loved it.
796
00:42:43,143 --> 00:42:46,522
Until the lawsuit came down.
That's when the shit hit the fan.
797
00:42:46,605 --> 00:42:47,982
How is it, physically?
798
00:42:48,566 --> 00:42:51,735
A doctor now says I have ear damage
that's probably permanent...
799
00:42:51,819 --> 00:42:54,863
Mainstream culture
was coming to pro wrestling.
800
00:42:54,947 --> 00:42:58,450
But pro wrestling
wasn't quite ready for prime time.
801
00:42:58,534 --> 00:43:00,953
You see a similar thing
on The Richard Belzer Show,
802
00:43:01,745 --> 00:43:05,207
when Hulk Hogan,
who's the most media ready
803
00:43:05,291 --> 00:43:06,834
of anybody in that crew,
804
00:43:06,917 --> 00:43:11,505
finds himself in this incredibly bizarre
and unfortunate situation.
805
00:43:11,589 --> 00:43:13,382
Apparently,
you don't know what's going on.
806
00:43:13,465 --> 00:43:15,467
- You must've been in a log cabin.
- I know...
807
00:43:15,551 --> 00:43:17,011
I'll lay it out for you, little dude.
808
00:43:17,094 --> 00:43:18,637
-Let me tell you how it is.
-Okay.
809
00:43:18,721 --> 00:43:19,555
You know, Mr. T...
810
00:43:19,638 --> 00:43:22,308
It's tough when people
try to undermine our business.
811
00:43:22,391 --> 00:43:24,393
The thing is, I fear no man.
812
00:43:24,476 --> 00:43:25,894
- I believe you.
- You dig it?
813
00:43:25,978 --> 00:43:27,354
-I can dig it twice.
-Are you a man?
814
00:43:27,438 --> 00:43:28,981
-What do you think?
-I really don't know.
815
00:43:29,064 --> 00:43:30,733
You wanna step outside?
816
00:43:30,816 --> 00:43:32,901
Like when Richard Belzer says,
817
00:43:32,985 --> 00:43:35,237
"Hey, put one of those
wrestling moves on me."
818
00:43:35,321 --> 00:43:37,740
Tell me, brother, when you
want him to quit squealing.
819
00:43:37,823 --> 00:43:38,824
All right.
820
00:43:39,700 --> 00:43:41,702
Brought him over,
hooked him in a front chin lock.
821
00:43:42,703 --> 00:43:45,372
- How about it, T?
- Keep it like that for a while.
822
00:43:46,665 --> 00:43:49,084
And when I let him go,
he fell and hit his head.
823
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:56,717
Belzer just flopped,
and Hulk thought it was a pratfall.
824
00:43:57,301 --> 00:43:59,887
- In actuality...
- ...he was hurt.
825
00:44:01,513 --> 00:44:03,265
- Your head is bleed...
- We'll be back.
826
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:05,768
He hit his head when he fell,
and it was bleeding.
827
00:44:05,851 --> 00:44:07,394
This was not good.
828
00:44:07,478 --> 00:44:11,607
I sued Mr. T, Hulk Hogan, Vince McMahon,
World Wrestling Entertainment...
829
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:12,650
I sued them all.
830
00:44:12,733 --> 00:44:14,985
Yeah. Vince wasn't real happy with me.
831
00:44:15,069 --> 00:44:19,740
We were at a very, very vulnerable stage
with WrestleMania I
832
00:44:19,823 --> 00:44:22,785
for me to be going around
choking people out and stuff.
833
00:44:22,868 --> 00:44:24,578
WrestleMania was a big risk.
834
00:44:25,329 --> 00:44:28,582
{\an8}Vince banked everything
on this WrestleMania being a success.
835
00:44:28,666 --> 00:44:30,167
{\an8}He put a lot of money into it.
836
00:44:30,250 --> 00:44:32,711
The story is if it had failed,
he'd have been belly-up.
837
00:44:32,795 --> 00:44:36,548
And, you know...
um, it's very possibly true.
838
00:44:36,632 --> 00:44:41,345
Well, my parents mortgaged everything
they owned to make WrestleMania I happen.
839
00:44:42,346 --> 00:44:46,934
I was so young,
I didn't truly understand what that meant.
840
00:44:47,017 --> 00:44:50,688
My parents never really talked finance
in front of us, uh, but you can feel it.
841
00:44:50,771 --> 00:44:53,399
My dad would just keep saying,
"This is going to work,"
842
00:44:53,482 --> 00:44:56,276
and, uh,
"We're betting a lot on this one."
843
00:44:56,360 --> 00:44:59,822
You know, at this point, I'm a teenager,
and I'm just like, "Hm."
844
00:44:59,905 --> 00:45:01,615
We didn't have the money to do it,
845
00:45:02,199 --> 00:45:05,577
and if it was a huge failure,
then we were in trouble.
846
00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:08,664
I'd say that's an accurate statement.
847
00:45:09,373 --> 00:45:12,376
{\an8}Welcome, everyone!
Gorilla Monsoon here at ringside
848
00:45:12,459 --> 00:45:14,920
{\an8}as World Wrestling Entertainment presents
849
00:45:15,003 --> 00:45:18,924
the wrestling extravaganza
of all time, WrestleMania.
850
00:45:19,633 --> 00:45:22,261
I knew that
if we didn't pull this thing off,
851
00:45:23,053 --> 00:45:25,723
that we were completely out of business.
852
00:45:29,351 --> 00:45:31,895
Thirty-five thousand plus
on their feet!
853
00:45:31,979 --> 00:45:34,565
The electricity is unbelievable!
854
00:45:35,107 --> 00:45:37,651
The crowd definitely
behind Hulk Hogan and Mr. T.
855
00:45:40,112 --> 00:45:42,448
It was a roll of the dice. A big one.
856
00:45:45,075 --> 00:45:46,577
Going nose-to-nose.
857
00:45:47,536 --> 00:45:50,414
But so many things
that night went right.
858
00:45:50,998 --> 00:45:52,875
It was a big success.
859
00:45:54,209 --> 00:45:57,504
From Vince's perspective,
you could not hit a bigger home run.
860
00:45:58,255 --> 00:46:01,383
It really was the sum of all the parts.
861
00:46:01,467 --> 00:46:03,469
When you think back
to WrestleMania I,
862
00:46:03,552 --> 00:46:07,139
I was trying to make a statement
as to what our business really is.
863
00:46:07,222 --> 00:46:10,559
We wanted to be all forms of entertainment
all rolled into one.
864
00:46:11,685 --> 00:46:13,437
{\an8}When you have
extraordinary people
865
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,065
{\an8}from all different parts
of entertainment combined,
866
00:46:17,149 --> 00:46:19,777
{\an8}that is sports entertainment.
That's what we're about.
867
00:46:21,236 --> 00:46:23,989
If there was ever
a perfect storm, this was it.
868
00:46:24,072 --> 00:46:26,825
Vince was very excited and very happy.
869
00:46:26,909 --> 00:46:29,244
You could tell. He was vibrating, man.
870
00:46:29,328 --> 00:46:31,955
He was on a high.
He knew we pulled it off.
871
00:46:33,248 --> 00:46:36,460
Hulk Hogan and Mr. T
in a tag-team grudge match?
872
00:46:36,543 --> 00:46:38,253
They called it WrestleMania,
873
00:46:38,337 --> 00:46:41,632
the biggest event in pro wrestling
since Gorgeous George.
874
00:46:41,715 --> 00:46:44,718
Everybody in Madison Square Garden,
all the way around the world,
875
00:46:44,802 --> 00:46:46,804
now you know what it's all about...
876
00:46:46,887 --> 00:46:50,307
Right before the first WrestleMania,
the whole business was looking good.
877
00:46:51,058 --> 00:46:55,103
Vince was the strongest, but there were
still all these territories going on.
878
00:46:55,896 --> 00:46:58,440
After WrestleMania I, nobody knew it yet,
879
00:46:58,524 --> 00:47:01,568
other promoters didn't know yet,
but Vince won the war with that.
880
00:47:02,778 --> 00:47:05,030
{\an8}I don't know
if it was good for the industry.
881
00:47:05,113 --> 00:47:08,450
{\an8}It was good for me and my organization.
That's all I cared about.
882
00:47:10,077 --> 00:47:12,454
After WrestleMania,
in whatever city we were in,
883
00:47:12,538 --> 00:47:16,208
all of a sudden, more TV cameras
were everywhere in the buildings,
884
00:47:16,291 --> 00:47:18,335
and people wanted
to do interviews with us.
885
00:47:18,418 --> 00:47:22,047
It was such a major success,
it put a skyrocket on the company.
886
00:47:22,756 --> 00:47:26,885
This whole momentum
changed the wrestling business
887
00:47:26,969 --> 00:47:30,222
from cigar smokers and beer drinkers
who wanna see violence
888
00:47:30,806 --> 00:47:34,393
to having families in the front row
that wanna buy a ton of merchandise.
889
00:47:34,476 --> 00:47:38,730
It definitely made wrestling so mainstream
890
00:47:39,481 --> 00:47:42,234
there was no denying
that we were here to stay.
891
00:47:47,155 --> 00:47:49,408
WrestleMania I
is a huge success.
892
00:47:50,075 --> 00:47:50,909
It achieves
893
00:47:50,993 --> 00:47:54,413
more than Vince could've possibly
imagined for his company.
894
00:47:55,372 --> 00:47:58,333
But with greater success
comes greater scrutiny.
895
00:47:59,459 --> 00:48:01,295
And Vince becomes a target.
896
00:48:02,129 --> 00:48:04,923
That expression of
"there's no such thing as bad publicity..."
897
00:48:05,924 --> 00:48:07,551
That's BS, 'cause there is.
898
00:48:07,634 --> 00:48:10,679
A special investigation
has turned up allegations
899
00:48:10,762 --> 00:48:13,682
that could outrage
the biggest wrestling fan.
900
00:48:13,765 --> 00:48:17,227
{\an8}A legal fight is in store for the head
of World Wrestling Entertainment.
901
00:48:17,311 --> 00:48:19,605
{\an8}It's a scandal that threatens
to knock him out of the ring.
902
00:48:20,314 --> 00:48:23,150
Right on the heels
of this huge success,
903
00:48:23,233 --> 00:48:26,653
Vince finds himself caught up
in a series of scandals
904
00:48:26,737 --> 00:48:29,114
that threaten to upend his entire world.