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[Berriochoa] That night,
I had left an apartment complex
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near the King Road house at 4 a.m.,
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and I remembered thinking to myself
that it was eerily quiet.
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Usually, you can see the last remnants
of people leaving a party,
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but it was silent.
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[Johnson] This is gonna
sound really weird,
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but, that night, me and Emily woke up
in the middle of the night.
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[Alandt] As soon as I woke up,
I saw Hunter locking the door.
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I don't think I've ever locked that door.
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[Johnson] It felt like there was something
pulling me towards doing that.
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[Berriochoa] I hustled up and got home
as quick as I could.
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It was like my intuition was telling me
something was wrong before I even knew.
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[Epperly] The probable cause affidavit
revealed what Maddie, Kaylee,
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Xana and Ethan were doing
that night before they died.
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{\an8}It's painted the most detailed picture yet
of what happened that night.
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[Alandt] A few weeks after that night,
Dylan had expressed to me what happened.
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She heard Kaylee and Maddie come home,
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and she heard them chitchatting
on the couch for a while.
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Uh, the couch was on the wall
of her bedroom,
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{\an8}and she was pretty much
sleeping through it.
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[Paterson] The surviving roommates,
Bethany Funke and Dylan Mortensen,
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confirm that all members
of the King Road residence
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were asleep by 4 a.m.
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{\an8}That's with the exception
of Xana Kernodle.
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{\an8}At 4 a.m., DoorDash drops off
an order for Xana.
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{\an8}[Epperly] At 4:05 a.m.,
a white Elantra is seen
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{\an8}driving in front of the King Road house,
making a turn and then parking.
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{\an8}[Paterson] And cell phone data shows
that Xana was on TikTok around 4:12 a.m.
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{\an8}[Epperly] That is when Dylan hears
some commotion, kind of, upstairs.
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She thought she heard someone say,
"There's someone here."
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She looked out of her bedroom door
on the second floor
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and didn't see anything.
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Dylan said that she remembered
hearing crying.
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And she thought
she heard a male voice say,
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"It's okay. I'm going to help you."
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{\an8}[Paterson] Video from next door
at 4:17 a.m. captures the sound
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{\an8}of a whimper and a loud thud.
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A dog barking can also be heard
on the footage.
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[Epperly]
Dylan opens her door for a third time,
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and she describes seeing
a man with bushy eyebrows.
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[Paterson] This person
walked past her bedroom
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and out the sliding glass door
of the back room.
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She said that she just
scaredly closed the door,
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like, boom.
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Dylan got really scared.
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She was trying to lock her door
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- and she started calling Bethany...
- [phone buzzing]
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...calling Xana, calling Ethan,
calling Kaylee, calling Maddie.
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[buzzing continues]
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Trying to see if anyone's awake 'cause
she's like, "What the hell's going on?
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Someone needs to get up
and tell me who was here."
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Eventually, she just decided to go for it,
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and she made a run for it
to Bethany's room down in the basement.
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{\an8}Dylan was like,
"Did you hear any of that?"
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And Bethany was like... [scoffs] "No."
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And so, I think that Dylan
was probably just like,
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"I must have imagined it,
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and if you didn't hear anything,
then let's go to bed together safely."
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{\an8}I think that she 100% heard
the murders of Xana and Ethan.
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{\an8}I am confused on how
one of the roommates saw him,
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{\an8}but then the cops
were not called until noon.
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{\an8}Eight hours were in between.
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{\an8}I... I just... I have n... I have no words.
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{\an8}[Franklin] When we hear stories
about people faced with something
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{\an8}that's unexpected, that's scary,
that's happening, um,
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{\an8}that could be threatening or dangerous,
and they act in ways we wouldn't expect,
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{\an8}it's actually exactly
how we should expect them to behave.
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Because you're not gonna be necessarily
thinking logically or rationally
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in the manner that you would, like,
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you and I are sitting here
and talking about it.
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Folks are not gonna understand
that this behavior
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is the behavior of somebody
who's just experienced trauma.
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{\an8}[Wood] I'm sure Dylan and Bethany
see these hurtful comments,
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{\an8}and they can't really
say anything back to it.
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{\an8}But, you know, they are not
speaking out for obvious reasons.
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Legal reasons.
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And that's what the public, I don't think,
necessarily understands.
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[Alandt] I think it's very important
for everybody to know
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that "what if" doesn't matter
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because if she had known
what was going on,
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it would have been too late anyways.
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It wasn't until the morning
when she'd realized,
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"Holy shit.
That couldn't have been a dream."
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And that's when I got
my phone call from her.
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They hadn't even gone
upstairs or anything.
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She just called and said,
"Something weird happened.
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I thought it was a dream.
I'm not quite sure anymore.
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I tried to call everybody to wake 'em up
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and no one's answering."
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I was like, "Okay. I'll come over."
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[Lauteren] That morning,
Emily had said, like,
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"Dylan wants us to come over."
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And I remember, when I set foot
in the house, Hunter was like,
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"Get out. Somebody call 911."
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{\an8}Dylan was the one that
was on the phone with 911,
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{\an8}and I had to take the phone from her
'cause she was so completely hysterical.
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They're like, "What's the address?
What's the address?"
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I was like, "1122 King Road."
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[Epperly] Police entered the house
and went up to the second floor.
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They went into Xana's bedroom
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and found her and Ethan dead
with stab wounds.
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Police then went up to the third floor
and into Maddie's bedroom,
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where they found both Maddie
and Kaylee in Maddie's bed,
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dead with multiple stab wounds.
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{\an8}I believe what you're gonna find out
is that this killer
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{\an8}was stalking a particular individual.
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Maddie could have been an intended target
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'cause both Kaylee and Maddie were
sleeping together in Maddie's bedroom.
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Maddie would have been the first person
the killer had access to
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when they entered the room over here.
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If that's true,
then does that mean she was the target?
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[Epperly]
They said the attack was targeted,
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then they said they're not sure
if one person was targeted.
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I don't know how he would have found them
to stalk them.
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We don't hang out with Wazzu people,
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{\an8}so I just don't know how
they would have ever, like, met
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for him to stalk them.
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And I don't know how
he knew where they lived.
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[Paterson] One of the things
that makes this case strange
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is that most often
the perpetrator knows the victim,
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but we still do not know
if Kohberger did it at all.
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And if he did it,
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if he had a relationship at all
with these victims,
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did he know them at all?
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{\an8}Those are answers we don't have yet.
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{\an8}Because when it comes to Bryan Kohberger,
we know very little about him officially.
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A lot of what we know really just comes
from his records at school,
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the fact that he applied
for certain internships,
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that he was fascinated with what
motivates people to commit crimes.
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{\an8}He was someone who traveled
to school and then bounced.
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{\an8}So you didn't really think
too much of him,
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{\an8}and you would try to get personal,
and he wouldn't give you much.
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{\an8}He never had any friends
he really associated with.
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I don't think too many people
paid much mind to him.
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I mean, people say, "Oh, he was a loner,"
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or, you know,
"He allegedly had problems with girls."
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My exact words for that were,
"This person has trouble with women."
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[Paterson]
And when you look at the victims,
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they're attractive,
they're involved in Greek row,
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they look like the kind of kids
that were popular,
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you know, surrounded by friends.
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My supervisor pulled me aside
in her office.
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She's like, "Off the record,
what do you think happened here?"
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And I said, "I think this was an incel."
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The definition there
is "involuntarily celibate."
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So this is a sort of person that cannot
connect with the other gender sexually
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and maybe feels some resentment
toward that gender.
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{\an8}[reporter 1] Hayley Willette says
they met in 2015
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{\an8}when he took her to a movie,
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{\an8}then insisted on escorting her
to her dorm room.
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{\an8}He kept trying to tickle me,
and I would ask him to stop,
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{\an8}and he would get very serious.
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{\an8}I proceeded to pretend
to throw up in the bathroom,
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{\an8}hoping that he would leave,
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{\an8}and then he messaged me,
and he said that I had good birthing hips.
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[reporter 2] I still think the more
we find out, that this was incel rage.
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Rage against women,
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uh, because of his history, uh,
with women starting in high school
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where the girls would be,
uh, bullying him.
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Certain men feel like they are
owed a relationship with a woman.
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Uh, that that's not something
they should have to earn.
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It's something that they should be given.
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{\an8}I did hear about a situation where
Kohberger had followed a student
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{\an8}out to, uh, her car,
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like, trying to flirt with her,
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and she reported it to someone
in the Criminal Justice Department.
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[Paterson] At Washington State University,
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he starts getting
into altercations with students,
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and we find out later
that he was fired from his TA-ship.
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{\an8}[reporter 3] He got more feisty
and belligerent,
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{\an8}even arguing with his professors
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{\an8}until December 19th, Bryan Kohberger
is officially terminated
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{\an8}by Washington State University.
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{\an8}And I'm pushing 'em for documents.
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I wanna know about the stuff
about Kohberger with the girls,
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if that's true. I wanna see his record.
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But, again, it's just tricky
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because there's rumors
about his behavior at the school,
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but none of it's verified
until we have the documentation.
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[Ferraro] At DeSales University,
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some of the people that Bryan and I
studied that were serial killers,
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were Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer,
Ed Kemper and Elliot Rodger.
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So Elliot Rodger,
he was a young man in college
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that was basically jaded
and hated his life
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because he lacked the attention
from friends, family
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and, most of all, uh, women.
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{\an8}So Elliot Rodger, one day...
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{\an8}First, he invited some people over
that he claimed to be friends with,
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{\an8}he stabbed them to death.
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{\an8}He then went out with firearms
to a sorority
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{\an8}and killed, um, a number of women
in the sorority.
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{\an8}He then drove around,
shot multiple other people in public,
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{\an8}and he ended his own life in his vehicle.
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{\an8}But after the fact,
there was a written manifesto
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{\an8}and he basically tells you,
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{\an8}"This is what I did.
This is why I did it."
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{\an8}Rodger's sexist rants
are part of a culture
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{\an8}that breeds violence against women.
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{\an8}[reporter] Rodger wrote,
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{\an8}"All of those beautiful girls I've desired
so much in my life but can never have
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{\an8}because they despise and loathe me,
I will destroy."
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{\an8}After Bryan Kohberger is arrested,
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{\an8}I start thinking,
"Okay, Pappa Rodger, Elliot Rodger."
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{\an8}If you listen to some of the manifestos
of Elliot Rodger,
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he talks about hating all the girls
from Alpha Phi,
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the same sorority that Kaylee was in.
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{\an8}[Slaven] Bryan was interested
in a lot of things that we learned,
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{\an8}but he did have more of an interest
in Elliot Rodger.
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I talked to other girls in the class,
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where we were all bothered
by what Elliot Rodger did,
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but Bryan did not seem bothered.
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[Franklin] Incel.
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In my professional opinion,
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this is a particularly dangerous version
of misogyny
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{\an8}because incel communities
have this presence in an online space.
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They can say things
and provide support for things
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that perhaps they wouldn't do
in a face-to-face context
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because they would be concerned
about what the social consequences
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or the repercussions would look like.
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[mouse clicking]
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And because it's immediate,
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the speed, the algorithm, the...
[stammers] ...the echo chamber,
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and the anonymity
perhaps leads people to think
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that their ideas are not so extreme.
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Elliot Rodger was glorified and valorized
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and martyred among communities
that were coming together
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in these online spaces.
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[typing]
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[Paterson] It was just so terrible.
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For a while, there was actually
a subreddit called Brynation.
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It was sort of this
Bryan Kohberger fan club,
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where people were posting
all these theories
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about how he could be innocent
and writing him letters in jail,
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and women sending him money,
which is really something else.
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We know with the advent of social media,
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people are becoming more lonely,
more isolated.
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So, I think this problem is likely growing
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as we see people become
more isolated due to technology.
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{\an8}[Lauteren]
When they caught Bryan Kohberger,
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{\an8}there was, like, all the fake accounts
that came on Instagram
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{\an8}pretending to be Bryan Kohberger.
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And I got a DM from one of them
that was like,
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"Hey, it's Bryan.
Sorry for killing your friends."
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And I, like, read it and I was like,
"What the f...
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What the hell?"
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I just remember seeing that,
and I was like,
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"I can't believe, like,
somebody sat down and wrote that."
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It almost feels, like, scary
'cause I was like,
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"This is like... means that people are,
like, capable of, like, copycatting it."
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[Berriochoa] Until there is a mechanism
to stop this kind of thing
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{\an8}from happening on social media,
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{\an8}it's always gonna continue happening,
and it's gonna get worse.
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I mean, since this case, specifically,
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{\an8}the King Road house has basically
become a tourist attraction.
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{\an8}This is where Bryan Shitbag Kohberger
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{\an8}murdered Kaylee, Xana, Ethan and Maddie.
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{\an8}It's not a... It's not an art exhibit.
It's, you know... This happened.
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It's real. We feel it.
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[Eckles] I can only imagine
how hard it's been for them at times.
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{\an8}You know, the suspect is in jail
just down the road
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{\an8}and whenever there's a trial thing,
there's media cameras on campus.
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It's overwhelming.
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[anchor]
We start with breaking news out of Idaho,
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where prosecutors have filed
to seek the death penalty
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against the man accused of killing
four University of Idaho students.
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{\an8}Wow. The state must really feel
they've got a...
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{\an8}like, a rock-solid case
to go after the death penalty.
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{\an8}They've certainly got what it takes
to seek a capital punishment here.
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{\an8}[pundit] They're saying that his acts
were especially heinous
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{\an8}and that he has an utter disregard
for human life.
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{\an8}If they're able to prove
just one of these factors,
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{\an8}Bryan Kohberger could be put to death.
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[Epperly]
Because this is a death penalty case,
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there are dozens of court hearings.
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And so, it's going to take much longer
than other types of cases.
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{\an8}[judge] So, Miss Taylor,
where do we start?
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{\an8}Your Honor, in this case,
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{\an8}we have a lot of records
that we have to go through.
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{\an8}I know that the court has heard
about 51 terabytes of information
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{\an8}that we've received.
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{\an8}There is no possible way I can even read
or watch everything I have now
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{\an8}or react to things
that are still coming in
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{\an8}if we're to have a deadline
in time for trial.
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{\an8}It's impossible for us to do it,
so we are not going to be ready.
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The defense has,
more than the prosecution,
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said it's gonna take them
longer to prep for trial.
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That they're not ready yet.
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That's not uncommon in most cases,
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{\an8}but, at this point, they are the ones
who are pushing the timeline back.
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{\an8}I don't understand why
he can ask for more time... [sighs]
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{\an8}...'cause I wish I had more time
with my son.
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{\an8}I don't. I can't buy more time.
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{\an8}[sighs] There's absolute frustration
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{\an8}in that they're just buying time.
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They're trying to find loopholes.
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{\an8}Every day is just longer and longer.
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You keep putting it off.
I mean, a lot could happen,
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and the more you put it off,
the more can happen.
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[Paterson] So the trial's
been postponed indefinitely.
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{\an8}We just don't know how long
we're actually gonna have to wait.
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[Epperly] No matter what the reality is,
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{\an8}until the trial's over, this is gonna
have a huge impact on Moscow.
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[Maizie] It was kind of,
like, dying down a little bit
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'cause nobody heard anything new,
and then it kind of started again.
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{\an8}It's kind of how it's been,
like, a new thing comes up and...
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and then it dies down again,
and then there's a new thing, and then...
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You know?
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[Paterson] I mean,
could you imagine you're a student,
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you're trying to just concentrate
on your classes,
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and now, for over a year,
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anytime you turn on the TV
or go on social media,
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it's, like, all about this case?
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People just couldn't let this case go.
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{\an8}I need to see something besides theories,
pings and one piece of touch DNA.
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It just doesn't make sense to me
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that someone
who has studied criminology for years
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would leave what's been described
by police as a messy crime scene.
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This entire court is a sham operation
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to cover for people who really did
what happened in Moscow, Idaho.
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{\an8}I was under the impression
that it would stop, but it didn't.
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The first thing that pops up
when you Google my name
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is still my name
connected to four murders.
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I'm getting ready to graduate here soon,
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and I don't even know how that's
gonna affect my ability to get a job.
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{\an8}There's still websites where
me and Emily are getting called killers.
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{\an8}Even after posts like Kohberger
being arrested, it's just, like,
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"Still, these two are behind it."
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[cyber sleuth] Idaho Four murders,
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quick look at Emily Alandt
and Hunter Johnson.
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Emily Alandt was, for a while, at least,
dating this dude, Hunter Johnson.
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{\an8}There's a bunch of speculation that
Hunter and Kaylee had a thing on the side,
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{\an8}which angered Emily, and that was tied
to the murders in some way.
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{\an8}There's almost this expectation
or pressure
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when you go through something like this
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that you're supposed
to remain poised and respectful.
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And I didn't want to.
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Because, to me,
these people didn't deserve respect.
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This is her house.
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{\an8}[Berriochoa] They were causing
so much unnecessary pain to the community,
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{\an8}and, eventually, it just became too much.
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And I did go private because I,
as one person, couldn't take it anymore.
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I ended up deleting TikTok, Instagram
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and, like, every news media outlet
on my phone
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just 'cause I didn't want to look at it.
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{\an8}It's like I'm trying to grieve... [chuckles]
...in any way possible,
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and you guys are not helping with it.
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[Alandt] I'm not a huge
social media person anymore.
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I just... I don't go on it very much.
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All my, like, social media is private.
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I had no... I had no desire
to talk to anyone about anything.
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[sniffles]
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{\an8}I think that most accounts were on public.
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You don't really think
to put it on private.
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But there is so much information
that is out in the world about you
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that you don't even know or post.
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Especially when you're in a small town
and you're posting where you are,
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people are going to be able
to figure out very quickly.
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So I put my account on private.
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[Wood] When they were making rude remarks
about my friends who are no longer here...
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{\an8}I didn't want to be on social media.
I didn't...
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{\an8}And I... In social media, I...
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I feel like I have a love-hate
relationship with social media.
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People post the good, happy times.
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Nobody wants to post a picture of them
crying at two o'clock in the morning
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because they're still grieving
their friends.
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[Alandt] I think that the only thing
that mattered was...
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peace for families.
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[Hunter] Our family's view
was just to stay out of it.
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Like, we're going to do what we do best
and just be with each other.
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And we don't need the media for anything.
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It's not like they're gonna help us
bring our brother back.
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[Stacy] The very first thing
I told my kids
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when this heinous thing happened was like,
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{\an8}"This won't sink us as a family.
We'll figure it out together."
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{\an8}We'd spent five months
in the depths of hell,
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{\an8}and then we just realized,
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{\an8}"Okay, we just have to figure out
how to move forward."
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{\an8}So we just made a deal with each other
that from that day forward, for our kids,
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for our family, for our friends,
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that we would wake up every day
and put our best foot forward.
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You forget you have a choice.
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You have a choice to get up
and to live your best life.
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But I still can't imagine what
it must be like to be Maizie and Hunter.
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[chuckles, whimpers]
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[sniffles] So...
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[sniffles]
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I mean, to have that kind of a bond
with your sibling, you know,
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somebody you don't know life without,
and have them gone.
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[sniffles] But it is what it is.
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[inhales deeply] Honestly.
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[Hunter] There's never a moment
in my life now
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where the thought of Ethan
not being here isn't there.
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Like, that thought is just engraved
in my head that he's not here.
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And, uh, it's something that
I don't think will ever go away.
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[Maizie] It's kind of...
Sounds bad to say back to normal,
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but I think we both, kind of, just try
and... [sniffles] ...pretend like it's normal.
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I feel like that's mostly why I just don't
pay attention to anything else because
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I just focus on, like,
the good things about him.
401
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Not what all else is going on.
402
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[Jim] After the memorial,
we were gonna meet up at the cemetery
403
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and try to find a place to put him.
404
00:25:47,129 --> 00:25:48,381
Um...
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It was very hard for me.
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00:25:54,178 --> 00:25:56,764
I... [smacks teeth]
407
00:25:57,556 --> 00:26:01,978
...told Stace that,
uh, we can't do this right now.
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00:26:02,478 --> 00:26:03,938
With... This isn't gonna happen.
409
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:08,609
Do you put him in the little crematorium?
410
00:26:10,695 --> 00:26:11,736
It just wasn't right.
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00:26:11,737 --> 00:26:15,490
It's just not a place where you,
hmm, put your...
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Where-Where do you put your kid?
413
00:26:18,411 --> 00:26:20,204
Right? Where do you put your kid?
414
00:26:20,830 --> 00:26:26,001
So I decided that... [sighs]
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...the best place for him to be...
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was home.
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So he will sit in the basement, uh,
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until one of us pass.
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[clicks teeth]
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[stammers] He's safe.
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00:26:58,367 --> 00:27:00,619
[clicks teeth, breathes shakily]
And I can, uh...
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[sniffles] ...um,
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I can go down
and talk to him anytime I want.
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And I do.
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[Karen] This is where Madison grew up.
This is where she lived.
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We didn't honestly get a lot back.
427
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{\an8}Just to be... [stammers]
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{\an8}[interviewer] Meaning you...
you didn't want it back? Or you just...
429
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{\an8}Wasn't able to come back.
430
00:27:45,122 --> 00:27:46,956
{\an8}So the stuff that was able to come back,
431
00:27:46,957 --> 00:27:49,376
I went through and, like,
432
00:27:49,377 --> 00:27:51,753
"Oh, some of this is silly.
Some of this is very sentimental."
433
00:27:51,754 --> 00:27:55,007
Like, I still have the yellow sweater
that she was wearing that day.
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00:27:57,718 --> 00:27:59,720
The sleeves are still rolled up. [sighs]
435
00:28:03,349 --> 00:28:05,642
So I found this sweatshirt
when we went down.
436
00:28:05,643 --> 00:28:07,311
It was the first family weekend.
437
00:28:07,937 --> 00:28:13,108
And Maddie really wanted
this sweatshirt and it wasn't her size.
438
00:28:13,109 --> 00:28:16,403
We couldn't find it and I found it
in like a total different place.
439
00:28:16,404 --> 00:28:20,282
And when I found it, I was like,
"Scott, look. We found the sweater."
440
00:28:20,866 --> 00:28:26,455
And then, I'm on video with her
and she's cutting it.
441
00:28:28,249 --> 00:28:32,336
I'm like... We were on FaceTime.
I'm like, "What are you doing?"
442
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,339
She's like,
"This is how everything is worn, Mom."
443
00:28:35,923 --> 00:28:38,801
I'm like, "Okay, I gotta get used to this.
I gotta let it be."
444
00:28:40,803 --> 00:28:43,806
But yes... [sighs]
...super glad we got that back.
445
00:28:47,184 --> 00:28:50,895
I feel like the struggle
getting to this point was,
446
00:28:50,896 --> 00:28:52,148
"I can't do this.
447
00:28:54,608 --> 00:28:55,943
Uh, I just can't."
448
00:28:59,447 --> 00:29:03,075
{\an8}But it's just not mentally healthy
to waste time,
449
00:29:04,785 --> 00:29:08,789
{\an8}other than laughing about Maddie,
talking about Maddie.
450
00:29:09,957 --> 00:29:11,041
It's really all we do.
451
00:29:12,835 --> 00:29:18,965
There is very little place in my heart
for holding on to anger.
452
00:29:18,966 --> 00:29:21,135
That's not what you heal from.
453
00:29:24,805 --> 00:29:27,390
A year ago,
I couldn't have spoken to you at all.
454
00:29:27,391 --> 00:29:30,644
I couldn't have articulated any of this.
455
00:29:32,354 --> 00:29:35,357
And it's taken friends, family, time,
456
00:29:36,650 --> 00:29:41,405
to slowly creep out of that really,
really bad place.
457
00:29:43,616 --> 00:29:46,535
And it's also reminding myself, like,
458
00:29:47,119 --> 00:29:51,457
how would Maddie and Kaylee
want to see me?
459
00:29:52,416 --> 00:29:55,211
Would they want to see me crying
in my pajamas and can't get out of bed?
460
00:29:56,128 --> 00:29:58,004
Or would they want
to see me talking about them
461
00:29:58,005 --> 00:30:01,509
and how happy and how amazing they are?
462
00:30:03,511 --> 00:30:04,762
And that's a struggle.
463
00:30:07,348 --> 00:30:10,768
You never know how strong you are
until strong is all you can be.
464
00:30:13,646 --> 00:30:17,525
This has always been her space,
always will be her space.
465
00:30:18,609 --> 00:30:24,031
And... it's a place to come
and just feel at peace,
466
00:30:25,241 --> 00:30:26,575
feel her presence.
467
00:30:31,914 --> 00:30:32,915
[sniffles]
468
00:31:09,493 --> 00:31:12,996
{\an8}365 days since my life changed forever.
469
00:31:12,997 --> 00:31:15,583
{\an8}[sniffles] All of our lives
changed forever.
470
00:31:16,959 --> 00:31:19,628
I read somewhere that
once you lose someone you love,
471
00:31:20,379 --> 00:31:21,547
you gain an angel.
472
00:31:22,339 --> 00:31:25,718
Well, we have four amazing angels
watching over all of us every day.
473
00:31:31,807 --> 00:31:35,436
Ethan was very, very witty.
474
00:31:36,061 --> 00:31:39,731
I think that was the most,
like, noticeable thing about him.
475
00:31:39,732 --> 00:31:44,444
He's just always trying to be funny,
and I loved that about him.
476
00:31:44,445 --> 00:31:48,990
- Minions! Tonight we steal the moon!
- [friends cheer]
477
00:31:48,991 --> 00:31:53,037
[Myers] I remember all, you know,
the different memories that we shared.
478
00:31:56,206 --> 00:31:58,291
[laughing]
479
00:31:58,292 --> 00:32:01,919
[Myers] Any time that I go to Taco Bell...
[chuckles] ...I think of Ethan.
480
00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,006
That was his favorite place by far.
481
00:32:04,548 --> 00:32:07,300
He was the first person
I saw that opened up,
482
00:32:07,301 --> 00:32:09,677
he pre-opened up
all of his Taco Bell packets
483
00:32:09,678 --> 00:32:12,555
so that he wouldn't have to stop,
uh, eating.
484
00:32:12,556 --> 00:32:13,765
He could just feast.
485
00:32:13,766 --> 00:32:15,600
And I remember I thought
that was the funniest thing.
486
00:32:15,601 --> 00:32:19,187
And now every time I go to Taco Bell,
I make sure that I, you know,
487
00:32:19,188 --> 00:32:23,275
pre-open like four or five first,
you know, so I don't have to stop.
488
00:32:26,445 --> 00:32:29,657
I could go on and on
about the person Xana was,
489
00:32:30,282 --> 00:32:33,285
but the little memories are what replay
in my head over and over.
490
00:32:34,495 --> 00:32:36,288
Her backflips she would attempt,
491
00:32:37,039 --> 00:32:40,583
which usually resulted in her failing
and popping right back up laughing,
492
00:32:40,584 --> 00:32:41,668
yelling, "I'm okay!"
493
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:43,336
[laughing]
494
00:32:43,337 --> 00:32:47,674
Xana loved music.
We called her "DJ Xan" all through college
495
00:32:47,675 --> 00:32:52,470
because she had the best music to play,
and she was always playing it.
496
00:32:52,471 --> 00:32:55,223
She would bring her MacBook
almost everywhere,
497
00:32:55,224 --> 00:32:56,641
and it doesn't matter where we were at.
498
00:32:56,642 --> 00:33:00,771
She would get on any chair
and just stand with her laptop.
499
00:33:02,064 --> 00:33:05,191
[Couch] A lot of things come to my mind
when I think about Maddie.
500
00:33:05,192 --> 00:33:07,860
{\an8}Me and my friends would
always reenact how she would dance,
501
00:33:07,861 --> 00:33:11,364
{\an8}and we have so many videos of it
just kind of putting her hand out
502
00:33:11,365 --> 00:33:13,242
and, like, bouncing like this.
503
00:33:14,284 --> 00:33:16,704
{\an8}She just never cared who was watching.
504
00:33:19,790 --> 00:33:21,208
[chuckles]
505
00:33:22,167 --> 00:33:26,338
[Phoebe] Kaylee always had such a happy
and joyful outlook on life.
506
00:33:27,047 --> 00:33:29,341
{\an8}She was just ambitious and wanted...
507
00:33:30,092 --> 00:33:32,845
{\an8}I think she just wanted to experience
anything and everything she could.
508
00:33:33,762 --> 00:33:37,849
And that was...
how she was gonna live her life.
509
00:33:37,850 --> 00:33:41,353
She decided it and she just did it.
510
00:33:42,771 --> 00:33:45,356
Whenever there's, like, a nice sunset
or, like, really pretty sunset,
511
00:33:45,357 --> 00:33:48,276
{\an8}like, we'll always text each other
and be like, "Oh, Kaylee's saying hi."
512
00:33:48,277 --> 00:33:51,363
[phones chiming]
513
00:33:59,580 --> 00:34:01,831
[Myers] As I sit back
and think of all the memories,
514
00:34:01,832 --> 00:34:03,751
I've learned dwelling won't do anything.
515
00:34:04,376 --> 00:34:06,544
It's important to remember
all the good times
516
00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:09,213
and be grateful for the relationships
we were all able to form
517
00:34:09,214 --> 00:34:12,300
with Ethan, Xana, Madison and Kaylee.
518
00:34:12,301 --> 00:34:15,678
Even if it was
for a short amount of time. [sniffles]
519
00:34:15,679 --> 00:34:19,432
To know Ethan, Xana, Madison and Kaylee
520
00:34:19,433 --> 00:34:22,561
was to love Ethan, Xana,
Madison and Kaylee.
521
00:34:24,104 --> 00:34:26,106
We will now take a moment of silence.
522
00:34:35,032 --> 00:34:37,784
[Phoebe] I think that the world
has made their idea
523
00:34:37,785 --> 00:34:40,120
of who Kaylee, Maddie,
Xana and Ethan were.
524
00:34:41,163 --> 00:34:43,999
And so I think it's important
to still emphasize, like,
525
00:34:44,666 --> 00:34:46,709
who they were as friends
and who they were as people.
526
00:34:46,710 --> 00:34:49,046
They aren't just these victims.
527
00:34:51,965 --> 00:34:55,928
I-I don't think there'll ever be
a full acceptance and closure of this...
528
00:34:57,971 --> 00:34:59,264
horrible thing that happened.
529
00:35:11,902 --> 00:35:12,903
[Johnson sniffs]
530
00:35:18,951 --> 00:35:21,869
[Johnson] Do we need to put
that sweet soy glaze thing in here now?
531
00:35:21,870 --> 00:35:23,372
Oh, I don't know. Read about it.
532
00:35:25,749 --> 00:35:31,588
[Johnson] We graduated and we've been
in Boise since 2023 of February.
533
00:35:32,214 --> 00:35:35,299
We just have been, like,
putting pieces together since everything.
534
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:36,385
Like, slowly.
535
00:35:38,053 --> 00:35:40,012
We were forced to, like, grow up.
536
00:35:40,013 --> 00:35:43,891
Um, and there's... There was never,
like, you never get,
537
00:35:43,892 --> 00:35:45,685
like, told when
you're gonna have to grow up.
538
00:35:45,686 --> 00:35:47,938
It's just, like,
that was when it was for us.
539
00:35:50,732 --> 00:35:55,945
[Alandt] There's no longer thoughts
of the world being a sweet, great place
540
00:35:55,946 --> 00:35:59,241
that you always know
and truly believed it was.
541
00:36:03,203 --> 00:36:06,790
You know,
I had long life goals for myself.
542
00:36:07,291 --> 00:36:10,127
I had a vision of what
I wanted my life to look like.
543
00:36:10,836 --> 00:36:14,756
And I've given up on... [stammers]
...some of my goals
544
00:36:16,049 --> 00:36:18,552
just 'cause I realized
I'm a different person.
545
00:36:19,761 --> 00:36:23,515
I'm still working on the new me
to be able to, um,
546
00:36:24,766 --> 00:36:27,102
get to a place to set goals again.
547
00:36:33,066 --> 00:36:36,069
[Lauteren] I hang out with a completely
new group of people at U of I now,
548
00:36:36,904 --> 00:36:39,280
and it's kind of sad to say that.
549
00:36:39,281 --> 00:36:43,743
But it just was, like, at the time,
it was nice to be with people that,
550
00:36:43,744 --> 00:36:46,914
like, honestly,
didn't personally know them.
551
00:36:47,581 --> 00:36:50,167
Which is so weird to say.
552
00:36:54,546 --> 00:36:58,967
[Wood] It's a very bittersweet moment
to say goodbye to my apartment.
553
00:36:59,551 --> 00:37:02,429
{\an8}This was my first
off-campus housing apartment.
554
00:37:02,930 --> 00:37:06,016
{\an8}I loved it. Now, I'm moving out.
555
00:37:08,727 --> 00:37:10,395
This is my spare bedroom.
556
00:37:11,730 --> 00:37:15,400
This window faces 1122 King Road.
557
00:37:22,616 --> 00:37:28,455
They still have the same
caution tape up 368 days later.
558
00:37:30,165 --> 00:37:34,503
It's a constant reminder that that's
a crime scene that is still ongoing.
559
00:37:44,721 --> 00:37:48,308
[Hunter] My first two weeks back into
school, uh, I didn't handle it very well.
560
00:37:49,393 --> 00:37:54,940
It's been a long road of emotions
and roller coaster rides.
561
00:37:55,816 --> 00:37:57,651
{\an8}It's like separation anxiety, almost.
562
00:37:59,361 --> 00:38:01,196
Finally, I'm doing pretty well though.
563
00:38:01,822 --> 00:38:05,826
A lot of people really helped me out
and helped me get my life back on track.
564
00:38:07,244 --> 00:38:11,748
But my window is on the very end
of our fraternity,
565
00:38:12,416 --> 00:38:16,670
which faces the opening
of where that house is.
566
00:38:17,879 --> 00:38:20,507
So I wake up every morning
and I open up the blinds,
567
00:38:21,299 --> 00:38:27,139
and that house is the first thing I see,
boarded up, looking like shit over there.
568
00:38:28,682 --> 00:38:31,101
I just want it to go away
so I don't have to look at it anymore.
569
00:38:41,445 --> 00:38:44,530
[reporter] It's a haunting reminder
of an unthinkable tragedy,
570
00:38:44,531 --> 00:38:49,119
but soon the house at 1122 King Road
will stand no more.
571
00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:52,039
The University of Idaho
is saying in a statement,
572
00:38:52,581 --> 00:38:54,165
"It's time for its removal
573
00:38:54,166 --> 00:38:57,669
and to allow the collective healing
of our community to continue."
574
00:39:10,307 --> 00:39:14,018
There is still so much speculation
about what really happened in that house.
575
00:39:14,019 --> 00:39:16,605
There are still
so many unanswered questions.
576
00:39:18,899 --> 00:39:22,152
[Johnson] When the trial comes,
I will probably be very nervous.
577
00:39:24,154 --> 00:39:25,738
I've never had to deal
with something like this,
578
00:39:25,739 --> 00:39:28,574
but, at the end of the day,
I want justice.
579
00:39:28,575 --> 00:39:30,535
Justice for the families
and for the friends.
580
00:39:32,496 --> 00:39:36,123
[Lauteren] I would feel the most,
like, closure
581
00:39:36,124 --> 00:39:40,961
if the suspect actually admits he did it,
582
00:39:40,962 --> 00:39:45,966
or it's, like, confirmed in the trial
and he gets put in jail.
583
00:39:45,967 --> 00:39:48,053
Forever would be nice.
584
00:40:02,651 --> 00:40:04,653
[Alandt] I don't follow
the case at all anymore.
585
00:40:07,447 --> 00:40:11,451
I don't have care in the world to keep
586
00:40:12,702 --> 00:40:15,956
seeing everything be untrue.
587
00:40:16,790 --> 00:40:21,544
I think the-the hardest part
about this process
588
00:40:21,545 --> 00:40:24,047
is nobody has it right.
589
00:40:25,298 --> 00:40:26,549
[no audible dialogue]
590
00:40:26,550 --> 00:40:28,301
And it's frustrating to see...
591
00:40:31,179 --> 00:40:34,599
so many people talk about Bryan Kohberger.
592
00:40:35,809 --> 00:40:38,311
I think he's a loser
that shouldn't get talked about at all.
593
00:40:39,354 --> 00:40:42,524
I think the only true story
should be about their lives.
594
00:40:44,025 --> 00:40:46,111
[Hunter] Getting the story
out there feels right
595
00:40:46,903 --> 00:40:49,321
because it's really important
that I'm the one telling it
596
00:40:49,322 --> 00:40:52,826
instead of some random ass person.
597
00:40:54,744 --> 00:40:58,956
[Stacy] There's just parts of it
that need to remain just ours.
598
00:40:58,957 --> 00:41:01,250
You know, we care that
we are the ones who tell his story
599
00:41:01,251 --> 00:41:03,336
and capture his true spirit.
600
00:41:05,130 --> 00:41:08,048
[Karen] I loved... I love those girls.
601
00:41:08,049 --> 00:41:09,718
We're not gonna talk in past tense.
602
00:41:11,511 --> 00:41:12,512
I will love them.
603
00:41:13,346 --> 00:41:14,763
I'll remember them.
604
00:41:14,764 --> 00:41:16,099
I will cry about them.
605
00:41:16,850 --> 00:41:19,853
I will continue to keep them alive.