1 00:00:00,391 --> 00:00:05,527 ♪ 2 00:00:05,657 --> 00:00:07,355 Hello, and welcome 3 00:00:07,485 --> 00:00:09,618 to "Off Script with The Hollywood Reporter." 4 00:00:09,748 --> 00:00:13,013 I'm your host, Betty Boop, or better known as Yvonne Orji. 5 00:00:13,143 --> 00:00:15,972 And I am here at the beautiful Georgian Hotel 6 00:00:16,103 --> 00:00:18,366 in sunny Santa Monica, California. 7 00:00:18,496 --> 00:00:20,803 Guys, today's roundtable is packing so much heat, 8 00:00:20,933 --> 00:00:22,326 you are going to need that good SPF. 9 00:00:22,457 --> 00:00:24,459 I'm talking about 50, not 30. 10 00:00:24,589 --> 00:00:27,940 Between their numerous Oscars, Emmys, and decades in Hollywood, 11 00:00:28,071 --> 00:00:32,031 this is undeniably an iconic panel. 12 00:00:32,162 --> 00:00:33,816 You are about to hear from seven women 13 00:00:33,946 --> 00:00:36,732 who lead today's hottest drama series. 14 00:00:36,862 --> 00:00:38,821 I am talking about none other 15 00:00:38,951 --> 00:00:41,998 than Jennifer Aniston of "The Morning Show," 16 00:00:42,129 --> 00:00:45,436 Jodie Foster of "True Detective: Night Country," 17 00:00:45,567 --> 00:00:49,788 Nicole Kidman of "Expats" and "Special Ops: Lioness," 18 00:00:49,919 --> 00:00:52,878 Brie Larson of "Lessons in Chemistry," 19 00:00:53,009 --> 00:00:55,316 Anna Sawai of "Shogun," 20 00:00:55,446 --> 00:00:58,406 Sofia Vergara of "Griselda," 21 00:00:58,536 --> 00:01:02,105 and Naomi Watts of "Feud: Capote vs. the Swans." 22 00:01:04,846 --> 00:01:06,979 They are on the record, 23 00:01:07,110 --> 00:01:11,114 but just a little "Off Script with The Hollywood Reporter." 24 00:01:11,245 --> 00:01:13,508 Take it away, Lacey. 25 00:01:13,638 --> 00:01:16,337 Thanks, Yvonne, and thank you all for being here. 26 00:01:16,467 --> 00:01:19,295 I'm going to start with a question for everybody. 27 00:01:19,426 --> 00:01:23,257 With a show of hands, who's ever lied to land a job? 28 00:01:23,387 --> 00:01:25,346 Well, yeah. Of course. 29 00:01:25,476 --> 00:01:28,044 -I don't know for sure. -Probably. 30 00:01:28,175 --> 00:01:29,698 We all lied that we knew how to ride a horse, 31 00:01:29,828 --> 00:01:31,613 and we couldn't. 32 00:01:31,743 --> 00:01:33,267 Oh, I would --I can ride a horse. 33 00:01:33,396 --> 00:01:34,354 Okay, okay, you don't have to lie about that. 34 00:01:34,485 --> 00:01:35,834 But I did lie about ice skating. 35 00:01:35,965 --> 00:01:38,098 You can't? Yep. 36 00:01:38,228 --> 00:01:40,229 Not a good one to lie about. 37 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:41,579 Ow, that's a painful one.I'm trying to remember. 38 00:01:41,710 --> 00:01:43,494 Sofia: I didn't lie to get a job, 39 00:01:43,625 --> 00:01:45,714 but I lied to my agent so that they would take me. 40 00:01:45,844 --> 00:01:47,585 when I moved to L.A. 41 00:01:47,716 --> 00:01:49,196 I said that I could sing and dance and everything. 42 00:01:49,326 --> 00:01:50,632 Why not? 43 00:01:50,762 --> 00:01:51,937 And then they sent me to an audition 44 00:01:52,068 --> 00:01:55,245 for "Chicago" on Broadway. 45 00:01:55,376 --> 00:01:58,292 And I said, I'm like, "No, I can't. I can't do it." 46 00:01:58,422 --> 00:02:00,859 I mean, I never thought they were going to send me 47 00:02:00,990 --> 00:02:04,036 for something like that, but I said, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes. 48 00:02:04,167 --> 00:02:06,517 And I went, and I got the part. 49 00:02:06,648 --> 00:02:08,345 -What? -Oh! 50 00:02:08,476 --> 00:02:09,693 -And then what happened? -I played Mama Morton. 51 00:02:09,824 --> 00:02:11,087 -[Gasps] -Oh, wow. 52 00:02:11,218 --> 00:02:13,133 I might have not been fully -- 53 00:02:13,263 --> 00:02:14,699 I'm not full disclosure about -- 54 00:02:14,830 --> 00:02:16,571 I said I couldn't ride a horse 55 00:02:16,701 --> 00:02:18,312 just because I didn't want to ride the horse. 56 00:02:18,442 --> 00:02:20,227 [Laughter] 57 00:02:20,357 --> 00:02:22,620 -There. Yeah. -That was... 58 00:02:22,751 --> 00:02:24,492 I mean, I think I've, like, 59 00:02:24,622 --> 00:02:27,364 definitely added special skills to resume. 60 00:02:27,495 --> 00:02:29,453 What could you do?Multiple languages. 61 00:02:29,584 --> 00:02:31,194 Perfect. Yep. 62 00:02:31,325 --> 00:02:34,328 Definitely, probably lots of weird sports. 63 00:02:36,025 --> 00:02:37,331 But I am quite sporty. 64 00:02:37,461 --> 00:02:39,594 I can learn a sport. 65 00:02:39,724 --> 00:02:42,423 I mean, I did learn to ride a tricycle for a movie 66 00:02:42,553 --> 00:02:47,036 once on a pier, but I'd never do it again, obviously. 67 00:02:47,167 --> 00:02:48,690 A tricycle? A tricycle? 68 00:02:48,820 --> 00:02:50,518 A tricycle.Who can't ride a tricycle? 69 00:02:50,648 --> 00:02:51,692 No, wait. 70 00:02:51,823 --> 00:02:53,608 [All shouting] 71 00:02:55,262 --> 00:02:57,394 [Laughter] 72 00:03:02,356 --> 00:03:05,446 They're all, like, special skills. 73 00:03:05,576 --> 00:03:07,099 What are the things you all sort of wish 74 00:03:07,230 --> 00:03:09,493 somebody had called and told you, 75 00:03:09,624 --> 00:03:11,234 whether it's sort of right now in your career 76 00:03:11,365 --> 00:03:13,541 or at the beginning of your careers? 77 00:03:15,238 --> 00:03:17,327 Naomi: Just allow yourself to be you 78 00:03:17,458 --> 00:03:20,417 and not compare yourself to other people the whole time. 79 00:03:20,548 --> 00:03:23,551 I remember I lived very much under the radar 80 00:03:23,681 --> 00:03:28,164 for about 10 years and was auditioning, you know. 81 00:03:28,295 --> 00:03:30,906 and you only get the scenes. 82 00:03:31,036 --> 00:03:33,648 And so, you're trying to imagine who this character is, 83 00:03:33,778 --> 00:03:36,390 and it's like, oh, they need a funny person. 84 00:03:36,520 --> 00:03:38,261 I'll be funny, or I'll be intense. 85 00:03:38,392 --> 00:03:40,220 I'll be sexy. I'll be... 86 00:03:40,350 --> 00:03:42,918 But it's like, just bring some of you into the room. 87 00:03:43,048 --> 00:03:44,789 That's what they're looking for. 88 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:48,053 And so, I was always doing that and then finding myself, 89 00:03:48,184 --> 00:03:51,579 you know, in a waiting room with 10, 12 people 90 00:03:51,709 --> 00:03:53,537 who are sitting there learning and I'm going, 91 00:03:53,668 --> 00:03:55,191 "Oh, God, she looks sexy. 92 00:03:55,322 --> 00:03:57,541 I should be sexier. I wore the wrong outfit. 93 00:03:57,672 --> 00:03:59,195 Or she looks intelligent. 94 00:03:59,326 --> 00:04:01,676 Oh, let me put some glasses on." 95 00:04:01,806 --> 00:04:04,592 You know, you're always trying to sort of fabricate this person 96 00:04:04,722 --> 00:04:06,768 that's so removed from --You. 97 00:04:06,898 --> 00:04:08,248 Yeah. 98 00:04:09,118 --> 00:04:11,207 "You can say no" was good, 99 00:04:11,338 --> 00:04:13,035 was important for me for whatever reason. 100 00:04:13,165 --> 00:04:13,775 I didn't know that when I was young, 101 00:04:13,905 --> 00:04:15,080 that I could say no. 102 00:04:15,211 --> 00:04:16,647 -Yes. -Yeah. 103 00:04:16,778 --> 00:04:18,475 And maybe I think this new generation, 104 00:04:18,606 --> 00:04:19,998 that's what's good about this new generation 105 00:04:20,129 --> 00:04:22,262 is they're very comfortable with saying no. 106 00:04:22,392 --> 00:04:24,220 They're very, very good at, like, 107 00:04:24,351 --> 00:04:25,830 setting boundaries and going, like, 108 00:04:25,961 --> 00:04:27,615 "I don't like that, and I want to do this." 109 00:04:27,745 --> 00:04:29,791 And I didn't know that was possible when I was young. 110 00:04:29,921 --> 00:04:32,881 And need the support from us. 111 00:04:33,011 --> 00:04:34,534 Or you need the support when you do say no 112 00:04:34,665 --> 00:04:37,146 from the others to go, "Yeah, that's fine. 113 00:04:37,277 --> 00:04:39,104 Let's -- what do we do here?" 114 00:04:39,235 --> 00:04:40,976 And that's the great thing, when you're in a position 115 00:04:41,106 --> 00:04:43,457 of producing power or something, 116 00:04:43,587 --> 00:04:45,981 where you go, "Well, no, we need to listen to this. 117 00:04:46,111 --> 00:04:47,765 We need to honor it, and we need to change 118 00:04:47,896 --> 00:04:49,550 the way we're doing something." 119 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,074 And that is an incredible position 120 00:04:52,204 --> 00:04:54,685 to be able to operate from. 121 00:04:54,816 --> 00:04:57,427 Yeah, because there's always a solution to that.Yes, yes. 122 00:04:57,558 --> 00:05:00,212 It's just that they would rather not hear the no. 123 00:05:00,343 --> 00:05:02,258 Lacey: Well, yeah.Honestly. 124 00:05:02,389 --> 00:05:04,913 If I have to say no or yes on all those things, 125 00:05:05,043 --> 00:05:07,394 maybe because I started so late in my life 126 00:05:07,524 --> 00:05:10,048 to wanted to be in this career, 127 00:05:10,179 --> 00:05:12,616 um, it's... 128 00:05:12,747 --> 00:05:14,705 to me, it was more like a lucky thing. 129 00:05:14,836 --> 00:05:17,273 "Let's see if I can fool everyone," you know? 130 00:05:17,404 --> 00:05:19,493 For example, as a comedic actress, 131 00:05:19,623 --> 00:05:21,146 I'm not comfortable even saying that. 132 00:05:21,277 --> 00:05:23,888 I did do 11 years of "Modern Family," 133 00:05:24,019 --> 00:05:27,718 but it was almost playing myself, in a way. 134 00:05:27,849 --> 00:05:29,285 What you were saying at the beginning, it was like, 135 00:05:29,416 --> 00:05:31,069 "How am I going to do this?" 136 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,681 I had never went to an acting class in my life. 137 00:05:33,811 --> 00:05:36,683 I just went to an audition and this thing.Wow. 138 00:05:36,814 --> 00:05:39,469 So, I'm like, oh, that's why I'm always it's like a gift. 139 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,690 It's like, oh, yes, okay, let's do it, you know? 140 00:05:42,820 --> 00:05:45,388 I've learned that if I can understand what a no is 141 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:47,912 and be able to say it before I'm upset about it, 142 00:05:48,043 --> 00:05:50,393 it's a much better conversation. 143 00:05:50,524 --> 00:05:52,134 Um, some people are surprised, I think, 144 00:05:52,264 --> 00:05:54,310 by how quick and concise I can be about things, 145 00:05:54,441 --> 00:05:56,486 but I think it actually just avoids 146 00:05:56,617 --> 00:05:58,967 a lot of drama in the end.Sure. 147 00:05:59,097 --> 00:06:00,490 Because the thing I like to remind myself is 148 00:06:00,621 --> 00:06:02,318 that no matter what, like, 149 00:06:02,449 --> 00:06:03,972 you all can have what you want with me on set, 150 00:06:04,102 --> 00:06:06,191 but I have to go home and live with myself. 151 00:06:06,322 --> 00:06:08,411 And a lot of the time, 152 00:06:08,542 --> 00:06:10,065 you learn what your noes are from saying yes to it, 153 00:06:10,195 --> 00:06:11,588 or being in the heat of the moment, 154 00:06:11,719 --> 00:06:12,502 and then you go home, and you're like, 155 00:06:12,633 --> 00:06:15,287 "Why do I feel bad?" 156 00:06:15,418 --> 00:06:16,724 And sometimes they're little sneaky things. 157 00:06:16,854 --> 00:06:18,290 Sometimes it's clear, sometimes you're like, 158 00:06:18,421 --> 00:06:20,292 "Oh, yeah, it was those little, tiny things 159 00:06:20,423 --> 00:06:22,599 that actually added up and made me feel not good." 160 00:06:22,730 --> 00:06:23,818 And I have a whole job to do, you know? 161 00:06:23,948 --> 00:06:26,168 So, um, 162 00:06:26,298 --> 00:06:28,518 I've just become very confident with that part of it, 163 00:06:28,649 --> 00:06:31,303 about, like, that I'm in charge of myself, 164 00:06:31,434 --> 00:06:33,871 which I know is, like, such a small thing, but it's tough. 165 00:06:34,002 --> 00:06:36,134 If you haven't been on a set, it's hard to understand, 166 00:06:36,265 --> 00:06:38,441 I think, like how quick the pace of everything 167 00:06:38,572 --> 00:06:40,138 and that you feel like there's this pressure 168 00:06:40,269 --> 00:06:42,183 and you're going to let people down, 169 00:06:42,314 --> 00:06:43,707 and instead you learn that you're letting yourself down, 170 00:06:43,838 --> 00:06:44,926 not to let everybody else down. 171 00:06:45,056 --> 00:06:46,580 And that just doesn't work. 172 00:06:46,710 --> 00:06:47,276 Not to say that I have a perfect track record. 173 00:06:47,407 --> 00:06:48,799 Of course, there were times 174 00:06:48,930 --> 00:06:50,671 where I was like, please, someone love me. 175 00:06:50,801 --> 00:06:52,542 That's just, like, part of it, too. 176 00:06:52,673 --> 00:06:56,764 But I will say that, yeah, I'm good with no. 177 00:06:56,894 --> 00:06:58,330 No, I've got handled, I think. 178 00:06:58,461 --> 00:07:00,245 And your team was very supportive of that? 179 00:07:00,376 --> 00:07:01,682 Mm-hmm. Oh, nice. 180 00:07:01,812 --> 00:07:03,423 Yeah, they were. They were. 181 00:07:03,553 --> 00:07:05,381 Because I was working in Japan for a while, 182 00:07:05,512 --> 00:07:07,862 and they were like, 183 00:07:07,992 --> 00:07:10,473 "To say yes is the most mature thing that you can do. 184 00:07:10,604 --> 00:07:13,433 Always say yes. Don't really tell us what you want. 185 00:07:13,563 --> 00:07:15,347 We've been doing this for the longest time, 186 00:07:15,478 --> 00:07:16,957 so just trust us." 187 00:07:17,088 --> 00:07:18,916 And so it's only been recent years 188 00:07:19,047 --> 00:07:21,789 that I've been starting to get used to saying what I want. 189 00:07:21,919 --> 00:07:24,879 And it's so refreshing because my team will be like, 190 00:07:25,009 --> 00:07:27,707 "What do you want to do?" And I'm like, "Me? 191 00:07:27,838 --> 00:07:29,231 I'm allowed to say it?" 192 00:07:29,361 --> 00:07:31,363 So, yeah, it's been a slow process, 193 00:07:31,494 --> 00:07:34,366 but it was difficult in Japan. 194 00:07:34,497 --> 00:07:36,194 I still have trouble with it. 195 00:07:36,325 --> 00:07:38,022 I have to say, yeah I do. 196 00:07:38,153 --> 00:07:39,589 Lacey: Which piece is still -- 197 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,373 what aspects of no, and what -- 198 00:07:41,504 --> 00:07:42,810 Before the job or during the job? 199 00:07:42,940 --> 00:07:45,856 No, because it's sometimes blurry for me 200 00:07:45,987 --> 00:07:49,512 because sometimes I can bristle and be like, "No." 201 00:07:49,643 --> 00:07:52,472 And then when I kind of feel it out and do something, 202 00:07:52,602 --> 00:07:54,604 I'm like, "Oh, this wasn't so bad." 203 00:07:54,735 --> 00:07:58,826 So, it's kind of trying to find my own inner voice 204 00:07:58,956 --> 00:08:03,265 that I'm like, is this me just reacting? 205 00:08:03,395 --> 00:08:07,269 Or is it me really needing to protect myself now? 206 00:08:07,399 --> 00:08:10,620 Because part of what we do, 207 00:08:10,751 --> 00:08:13,014 you dive into things that are deeply uncomfortable. 208 00:08:13,144 --> 00:08:14,798 So, the idea of, like -- 209 00:08:14,929 --> 00:08:16,496 and I've had to teach myself 210 00:08:16,626 --> 00:08:18,019 to not always go, [Gasps] "I can't do that." 211 00:08:18,149 --> 00:08:19,890 Oh, yeah. 212 00:08:20,021 --> 00:08:22,893 Like, my initial reaction can actually be that 213 00:08:23,024 --> 00:08:25,461 instead of, okay, ease into it 214 00:08:25,592 --> 00:08:27,594 because I sort of need to be coaxed sometimes. 215 00:08:27,724 --> 00:08:29,073 So, it's finding that. 216 00:08:29,204 --> 00:08:31,336 I'm still finding that compass. 217 00:08:31,467 --> 00:08:33,469 There's times when you think, oh, I can't do that, 218 00:08:33,600 --> 00:08:35,688 I can't do it, and then you need the support of you actually can. 219 00:08:35,818 --> 00:08:37,517 You actually can, because it'll just be 220 00:08:37,647 --> 00:08:41,695 more of a fear-based no than a -- 221 00:08:41,825 --> 00:08:43,871 Than a legitimate --...like, actual no. 222 00:08:44,001 --> 00:08:45,089 This is dangerous or this is going to -- 223 00:08:45,220 --> 00:08:47,135 you're going to feel terrible about this, 224 00:08:47,265 --> 00:08:48,789 which I've also had.Yes. 225 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:50,660 But there's times when I've gone, 226 00:08:50,790 --> 00:08:52,444 gosh, I'm glad I didn't give in to that initially. 227 00:08:52,575 --> 00:08:55,491 Naomi: And I feel like, as you get older, 228 00:08:55,622 --> 00:08:58,059 I mean, I say yes more easily 229 00:08:58,189 --> 00:09:01,497 because I just feel like I want to be open 230 00:09:01,628 --> 00:09:04,761 to as many experiences as possible 231 00:09:04,892 --> 00:09:07,938 and yes, go into the discomfort zone 232 00:09:08,069 --> 00:09:10,811 as much as I can and grow. 233 00:09:10,941 --> 00:09:12,682 And, I mean, I think you said it beautifully, 234 00:09:12,813 --> 00:09:15,032 the Andy Warhol quote of, like, 235 00:09:15,163 --> 00:09:20,516 "Just say yes, make art, and get what you can out of it, 236 00:09:20,647 --> 00:09:22,779 fall into it, grow, 237 00:09:22,910 --> 00:09:25,173 and let others decide what it is or not. 238 00:09:25,303 --> 00:09:26,870 But you just keep going. 239 00:09:27,001 --> 00:09:28,611 Now, personally, I have 240 00:09:28,742 --> 00:09:30,570 a love-hate relationship with the word no. 241 00:09:30,700 --> 00:09:32,659 You see, I love telling people no, 242 00:09:32,789 --> 00:09:34,922 but I hate being told no. 243 00:09:35,052 --> 00:09:37,751 Much more with our drama actress panel right after this. 244 00:09:37,925 --> 00:09:43,931 ♪♪ 245 00:09:45,802 --> 00:09:52,069 ♪ 246 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,768 Welcome back to "Off Script with The Hollywood Reporter." 247 00:09:54,898 --> 00:09:56,770 Hey, right back to you, Lacey. 248 00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:59,599 What if we were sort of going to describe 249 00:09:59,729 --> 00:10:01,383 the current era of your careers 250 00:10:01,513 --> 00:10:03,515 in terms of what's coming at you, 251 00:10:03,646 --> 00:10:05,996 projects that you're approached with, 252 00:10:06,127 --> 00:10:07,998 are there some through lines? 253 00:10:08,129 --> 00:10:09,347 I feel like the last time I sat with you, Jen, 254 00:10:09,478 --> 00:10:10,914 it was a lot of really dark material 255 00:10:11,045 --> 00:10:12,220 that was coming your way. 256 00:10:12,350 --> 00:10:14,135 I don't know if it's still -- 257 00:10:14,265 --> 00:10:17,312 if you're still in that chapter or if we moved to a new one. 258 00:10:17,442 --> 00:10:18,574 Could they go -- They've kind of -- 259 00:10:18,705 --> 00:10:19,967 It falls in between 260 00:10:20,097 --> 00:10:23,231 because living in that dark space, 261 00:10:23,361 --> 00:10:24,754 I, as a comedian, you know, 262 00:10:24,885 --> 00:10:27,757 ultimately when I started, it's not easy. 263 00:10:27,888 --> 00:10:29,193 It's really hard. 264 00:10:29,324 --> 00:10:31,108 And that's why, you know, going home, 265 00:10:31,239 --> 00:10:32,588 I would listen to smart lists on my way to work 266 00:10:32,719 --> 00:10:34,198 and home from work, 267 00:10:34,329 --> 00:10:36,548 just to laugh and get out of that. 268 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:39,029 I don't go home and live in my character, 269 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:40,857 which I know some people do, 270 00:10:40,988 --> 00:10:44,078 and that's really awesome for their -- 271 00:10:44,208 --> 00:10:46,036 that's how their -- their method is wonderful. 272 00:10:46,167 --> 00:10:48,865 I choose to just get rid of it as fast as I can, 273 00:10:48,996 --> 00:10:51,433 but I usually say, "I need a comedy right now. 274 00:10:51,563 --> 00:10:53,217 I need to -- I need some levity." 275 00:10:53,348 --> 00:10:55,350 So, that's usually -- 276 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:58,658 I -- It's not -- yeah. 277 00:10:58,788 --> 00:10:59,833 Lacey: What about you, Sofia? 278 00:10:59,963 --> 00:11:01,356 Well, it's interesting 279 00:11:01,486 --> 00:11:04,402 because I feel very awkward now here 280 00:11:04,533 --> 00:11:07,884 because [Laughs] you know, 281 00:11:08,015 --> 00:11:10,713 this is like my favorite group of actresses. 282 00:11:10,844 --> 00:11:13,542 And I realize I don't know anything about acting. 283 00:11:13,673 --> 00:11:15,631 All: Oh! 284 00:11:15,762 --> 00:11:17,154 No, but it's not in a bad way. 285 00:11:17,285 --> 00:11:20,070 It's like it's just a reality, you know? 286 00:11:20,201 --> 00:11:23,595 And I created this character from more of, like, my family. 287 00:11:23,726 --> 00:11:26,468 I knew this character. So I was like, I'm gonna do it. 288 00:11:26,598 --> 00:11:28,470 And then when I started to decide 289 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:29,993 to do something different, it's hard 290 00:11:30,124 --> 00:11:32,692 because this accent is beautiful. 291 00:11:32,822 --> 00:11:34,563 And, you know, that's why, for example, 292 00:11:34,694 --> 00:11:37,044 when I decided to do "Griselda," 293 00:11:37,174 --> 00:11:40,003 I was like -- it was never thinking, 294 00:11:40,134 --> 00:11:42,571 "Oh, I want people not to think that I'm only, 295 00:11:42,702 --> 00:11:44,355 you know, Gloria or this thing." 296 00:11:44,486 --> 00:11:45,705 No, it was a character. 297 00:11:45,835 --> 00:11:47,663 It's like, I know that character. 298 00:11:47,794 --> 00:11:50,231 I lived there, I lived in Colombia in that era. 299 00:11:50,361 --> 00:11:51,972 And I'm like, "Can I do it? 300 00:11:52,102 --> 00:11:53,887 I think I can," 301 00:11:54,017 --> 00:11:56,106 because, I mean, my brother was a drug dealer, 302 00:11:56,237 --> 00:11:58,195 and unfortunately he got killed at that era. 303 00:11:58,326 --> 00:12:01,677 Like, I knew that person the same way I knew Gloria. 304 00:12:01,808 --> 00:12:03,810 But I've never seen it as a woman. 305 00:12:03,940 --> 00:12:06,551 I knew it as a man. Many, many -- 306 00:12:06,682 --> 00:12:08,902 I lived there in Colombia. 307 00:12:09,032 --> 00:12:12,079 And then I said, "Maybe I cannot do it." 308 00:12:12,209 --> 00:12:16,997 And I said, "I'm gonna find out who Jennifer Aniston work with." 309 00:12:17,127 --> 00:12:20,174 I was just gonna say... 310 00:12:20,304 --> 00:12:22,002 Oh, because, by the way, every time I go to work, 311 00:12:22,132 --> 00:12:23,917 even in two months, 312 00:12:24,047 --> 00:12:26,484 when I start the next season of "Morning Show," 313 00:12:26,615 --> 00:12:28,704 I'm like, "I don't know what -- I don't know how to do this. 314 00:12:28,835 --> 00:12:30,097 I don't know what I'm doing." 315 00:12:30,227 --> 00:12:32,839 Absolutely zero memory of how to be an actor 316 00:12:32,969 --> 00:12:34,884 or any rules or anything. 317 00:12:35,015 --> 00:12:36,581 -It's like starting again. -It starts all over every year. 318 00:12:36,712 --> 00:12:38,061 Sofia: But I found a person. 319 00:12:38,192 --> 00:12:39,933 I found a person that I'm like, 320 00:12:40,063 --> 00:12:42,239 "Who did she go to sometimes to prepare?" 321 00:12:42,370 --> 00:12:44,198 And I found Nancy Banks.[Whispering] Nancy Banks. 322 00:12:44,328 --> 00:12:47,331 And I said, "Can you maybe help me with this thing? 323 00:12:47,462 --> 00:12:49,812 I've never done this. 324 00:12:49,943 --> 00:12:52,075 And I don't care if it's bad or good or something, 325 00:12:52,206 --> 00:12:54,382 but I want to do it. Let me do it. Help me do it." 326 00:12:54,512 --> 00:12:55,339 I'm so happy that happened. 327 00:12:55,470 --> 00:12:56,819 Brie: You did incredible. 328 00:12:56,950 --> 00:12:59,039 It was unbelievable. 329 00:12:59,169 --> 00:13:01,258 I try not to think too much of yes or no or yes. 330 00:13:01,389 --> 00:13:03,043 And because I started old -- 331 00:13:03,173 --> 00:13:05,567 I'm 52 years old, and I started when I was 37, 332 00:13:05,697 --> 00:13:08,178 so I already knew how to say no. 333 00:13:08,309 --> 00:13:11,181 [Laughter] 334 00:13:11,312 --> 00:13:13,053 What does come your way?That's a good no. 335 00:13:13,183 --> 00:13:14,750 No! 336 00:13:14,881 --> 00:13:15,664 What is presented to you? 337 00:13:15,795 --> 00:13:17,709 Comedy, which I love. 338 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:19,799 I don't want to be Gloria again. 339 00:13:19,929 --> 00:13:21,713 Maybe because I don't know if I can -- 340 00:13:21,844 --> 00:13:23,846 I don't know yet if I can do more 341 00:13:23,977 --> 00:13:25,805 different comedy that is not -- 342 00:13:25,935 --> 00:13:28,938 I cannot take this accent away, no matter what. 343 00:13:29,069 --> 00:13:31,201 I tried. This, of course, limits you. 344 00:13:31,332 --> 00:13:33,508 This limits you. 345 00:13:33,638 --> 00:13:35,684 Yeah, but there you know how to do every accent in the world. 346 00:13:35,815 --> 00:13:37,425 Oh, with help. 347 00:13:37,555 --> 00:13:38,948 Oh, yeah. 348 00:13:39,079 --> 00:13:40,515 And now, even with that operation, 349 00:13:40,645 --> 00:13:42,386 they cannot help me 350 00:13:42,517 --> 00:13:44,432 because it's, like, there is no -- I've tried. 351 00:13:44,562 --> 00:13:45,955 It's like, no. 352 00:13:46,086 --> 00:13:50,438 So, I think now I'm more into the -- 353 00:13:50,568 --> 00:13:51,918 what I want to create for me 354 00:13:52,048 --> 00:13:54,181 and because "Griselda" did so well, 355 00:13:54,311 --> 00:13:57,097 now a lot of people are like, "Yeah, what else do you have? 356 00:13:57,227 --> 00:13:58,663 What else do you have?" So, I'm [Indistinct] 357 00:13:58,794 --> 00:13:59,926 That's so exciting. 358 00:14:00,056 --> 00:14:01,666 Is the tide changing now? 359 00:14:01,797 --> 00:14:03,320 Will you be more interested in that kind of work? 360 00:14:03,451 --> 00:14:06,106 Yes. Yeah. But you know what? 361 00:14:06,236 --> 00:14:08,282 I don't know if I want to do something like that, exactly, 362 00:14:08,412 --> 00:14:10,806 because what it is, the pleasure of going to a set 363 00:14:10,937 --> 00:14:13,635 to laugh all day, the lines, 364 00:14:13,765 --> 00:14:16,203 the people, the friend you crack out. 365 00:14:16,333 --> 00:14:20,947 I mean, but drama is a complete crazy thing. 366 00:14:21,077 --> 00:14:22,905 It's like I had never -- 367 00:14:23,036 --> 00:14:25,342 I had never acted -- and this sounds ridiculous, 368 00:14:25,473 --> 00:14:27,127 but I had never acted in Spanish. 369 00:14:27,257 --> 00:14:28,389 Only in this perfect English. 370 00:14:28,519 --> 00:14:30,391 Oh, wow. No kidding? 371 00:14:30,521 --> 00:14:31,696 Oh, you need to make a Spanish movie. 372 00:14:31,827 --> 00:14:32,828 It was beautiful, though. 373 00:14:32,959 --> 00:14:35,483 Like, do you find some -- 374 00:14:35,613 --> 00:14:38,703 if you play Australian, you have to get coached. 375 00:14:38,834 --> 00:14:40,531 Lacey: Is that true?No! 376 00:14:40,662 --> 00:14:42,794 [Laughter] 377 00:14:42,925 --> 00:14:45,406 Okay, well, yeah, she's much more Aussie than me. 378 00:14:45,536 --> 00:14:47,016 She's a proper Aussie. 379 00:14:47,147 --> 00:14:48,844 I've got some British in there, and I -- 380 00:14:48,975 --> 00:14:50,193 Can you hear that? 381 00:14:50,324 --> 00:14:51,847 "I've some British in there." 382 00:14:51,978 --> 00:14:53,631 And I didn't move to Australia till -- 383 00:14:53,762 --> 00:14:55,285 Yes. 384 00:14:55,415 --> 00:14:57,374 English, Australian, and changing my accent 385 00:14:57,505 --> 00:15:01,944 in so many different shows, characters or whatever, 386 00:15:02,075 --> 00:15:05,034 I forget where my own voice is sometimes 387 00:15:05,165 --> 00:15:07,515 because you work so hard to be understood. 388 00:15:07,645 --> 00:15:11,301 You know, like, in a restaurant, I don't ask for, um, water. 389 00:15:11,432 --> 00:15:13,956 I ask for [American accent] water or butter, 390 00:15:14,087 --> 00:15:15,479 [Normal voice] you know, because people are like, "What? 391 00:15:15,610 --> 00:15:17,264 Oh, wait, where are you from?" You know, like, 392 00:15:17,394 --> 00:15:18,439 [American accent] "Oh, forget it. Just my water." 393 00:15:18,569 --> 00:15:20,180 That's my life. 394 00:15:20,310 --> 00:15:22,095 My life.Naomi: Yeah. 395 00:15:22,225 --> 00:15:24,445 Lacey: I love it. 396 00:15:24,575 --> 00:15:28,666 Anna, I've heard you initially feared with "Shogun" 397 00:15:28,797 --> 00:15:30,538 that it would be another sort of depiction 398 00:15:30,668 --> 00:15:33,367 of Japanese women being sexualized by white men.Right. 399 00:15:33,497 --> 00:15:35,673 I guess I'm curious how many other projects 400 00:15:35,804 --> 00:15:38,502 had crossed your desk 401 00:15:38,633 --> 00:15:40,852 where that was precisely what was happening. 402 00:15:40,983 --> 00:15:43,638 Um, it wasn't just Japanese women being sexualized. 403 00:15:43,768 --> 00:15:46,336 It was always that they were defined 404 00:15:46,467 --> 00:15:48,469 by the relationship that they had with the male character 405 00:15:48,599 --> 00:15:51,211 or they weren't... 406 00:15:51,341 --> 00:15:53,648 we didn't really understand their story enough. 407 00:15:53,778 --> 00:15:57,391 Like, they were always just, like, the sub-character. 408 00:15:57,521 --> 00:15:59,523 And oftentimes, when you hear Japanese women, 409 00:15:59,654 --> 00:16:02,918 you think, oh, they're obedient, they're sexy, 410 00:16:03,049 --> 00:16:06,530 or they can do just, you know, action somehow. 411 00:16:06,661 --> 00:16:09,446 And for me, it's like, that's not who we are. 412 00:16:09,577 --> 00:16:11,361 We're so much more complex. 413 00:16:11,492 --> 00:16:14,147 When I read the sides, it was my character 414 00:16:14,277 --> 00:16:18,542 going into a bath with the white pilot, 415 00:16:18,673 --> 00:16:21,676 and I was like, okay, this is going to be the same thing. 416 00:16:21,806 --> 00:16:25,027 And I played it in that way, and they didn't call me back. 417 00:16:25,158 --> 00:16:28,988 And then I had a conversation with our showrunner, 418 00:16:29,118 --> 00:16:30,902 and he explained that it wasn't that kind of scene. 419 00:16:31,033 --> 00:16:33,079 Like, he wanted it to be the connection that they have 420 00:16:33,209 --> 00:16:35,777 with their background, their history, 421 00:16:35,907 --> 00:16:38,519 and their just conversation. 422 00:16:38,649 --> 00:16:41,435 And so, I taped again, and I played it 423 00:16:41,565 --> 00:16:44,264 like she wasn't really taking off her kimono, 424 00:16:44,394 --> 00:16:46,962 and like, it was just that --Equals. 425 00:16:47,093 --> 00:16:48,398 Yeah, yeah. 426 00:16:48,529 --> 00:16:50,183 And they liked me. 427 00:16:50,313 --> 00:16:52,707 And so, once that happened, I was like, 428 00:16:52,837 --> 00:16:56,928 okay, this is the type of women that we haven't been able to see 429 00:16:57,059 --> 00:17:00,193 that I'm sure Japanese women, when they watch it, 430 00:17:00,323 --> 00:17:03,109 will see themselves reflected in. 431 00:17:03,239 --> 00:17:04,980 So, it was really important to me. 432 00:17:05,111 --> 00:17:08,592 And in the end, with that bath scene, 433 00:17:08,723 --> 00:17:12,988 we actually had Blackthorne in the bath, in the hot spring. 434 00:17:13,118 --> 00:17:15,598 But my character just walking in and sitting down 435 00:17:15,730 --> 00:17:17,426 and gazing outwards, 436 00:17:17,558 --> 00:17:20,647 and it's even more intimate because you know 437 00:17:20,778 --> 00:17:22,867 that there's nothing physical about it. 438 00:17:22,998 --> 00:17:24,652 Oh, don't go anywhere. 439 00:17:24,781 --> 00:17:28,308 More of our drama actress roundtable coming right up. 440 00:17:28,438 --> 00:17:31,093 Like my food. Where is it? I'm hungry. 441 00:17:31,224 --> 00:17:37,273 ♪ 442 00:17:39,188 --> 00:17:44,976 ♪ 443 00:17:45,107 --> 00:17:47,892 We are back on "Off Script with The Hollywood Reporter." 444 00:17:48,023 --> 00:17:49,111 Take it away, Lacey. 445 00:17:49,242 --> 00:17:51,592 What are the sort of roles, 446 00:17:51,722 --> 00:17:53,681 or perhaps its terms, 447 00:17:53,811 --> 00:17:55,683 triggering terms in character descriptions 448 00:17:55,813 --> 00:17:57,902 that make you all say, like, "I'm not going to do this." 449 00:17:58,033 --> 00:17:59,817 "Broken, but beautiful." 450 00:17:59,948 --> 00:18:01,515 Or "beautiful, but she doesn't know it." 451 00:18:01,645 --> 00:18:04,083 [Laughing] Oh. 452 00:18:04,213 --> 00:18:05,780 That one came so easily to you. 453 00:18:05,910 --> 00:18:07,260 Oh, yeah. I was ready. I've read that so many times. 454 00:18:07,390 --> 00:18:09,218 I read that last week, probably. 455 00:18:09,349 --> 00:18:11,090 "Beautiful, but doesn't know it." 456 00:18:11,220 --> 00:18:13,701 I'm like how? But you're telling me. 457 00:18:13,831 --> 00:18:15,877 It's in the script.Anna: I do know it. 458 00:18:16,007 --> 00:18:17,661 I don't know that this is as true now as it was, 459 00:18:17,792 --> 00:18:19,228 you know, for most of my career, 460 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:24,233 but I was always just shocked and amazed 461 00:18:24,364 --> 00:18:26,670 that so many of the scripts that I read, 462 00:18:26,801 --> 00:18:28,237 the entire motivation for the female character 463 00:18:28,368 --> 00:18:32,502 was that she'd been traumatized by rape. 464 00:18:32,633 --> 00:18:36,898 Mm.That it seemed to be the only motivation 465 00:18:37,028 --> 00:18:39,118 that male screenwriters could come up with 466 00:18:39,248 --> 00:18:41,511 for why women did things.That we're like -- 467 00:18:41,642 --> 00:18:43,078 It's like, well, she's kind of in a bad mood. 468 00:18:43,209 --> 00:18:44,906 Yeah. 469 00:18:45,036 --> 00:18:46,908 Yeah, there's definitely some rape in her past. 470 00:18:47,038 --> 00:18:50,955 You know, rape or molestation seemed to be the one -- 471 00:18:51,086 --> 00:18:57,353 the one kind of lurid, big, emotional back story 472 00:18:57,484 --> 00:18:59,050 that they could understand in women, 473 00:18:59,181 --> 00:19:01,140 that they couldn't really find complexity 474 00:19:01,270 --> 00:19:03,968 or they couldn't really understand that we have conflict 475 00:19:04,099 --> 00:19:05,753 and that there's parts of us that are ambivalent. 476 00:19:05,883 --> 00:19:08,364 And, you know, we may show one way, but it'd be lying. 477 00:19:08,495 --> 00:19:11,411 And so, I don't -- I didn't take it personally. 478 00:19:11,541 --> 00:19:15,589 I think once I was able to be old enough 479 00:19:15,719 --> 00:19:18,418 to be able to say, like, let's look at this differently, 480 00:19:18,548 --> 00:19:20,637 I think I did have a responsibility 481 00:19:20,768 --> 00:19:23,640 to come in and say you're not always going to get 482 00:19:23,771 --> 00:19:25,599 the most perfectly fleshed out female character, 483 00:19:25,729 --> 00:19:27,862 but maybe there's an opportunity for us to work together 484 00:19:27,992 --> 00:19:28,993 and create something that way. 485 00:19:29,124 --> 00:19:30,952 -Yeah. -Yeah. 486 00:19:31,082 --> 00:19:33,084 And which is why also, I think, 487 00:19:33,215 --> 00:19:35,696 now we're all working hard to put women at the helm, 488 00:19:35,826 --> 00:19:38,742 because that's a really, you know, 489 00:19:38,873 --> 00:19:42,311 the viewpoint suddenly becomes very different. 490 00:19:42,442 --> 00:19:46,097 And there's a conversation that happens off camera, 491 00:19:46,228 --> 00:19:47,925 before camera, about the project that then you go, 492 00:19:48,056 --> 00:19:49,449 "Oh, right. Okay, good." 493 00:19:49,579 --> 00:19:52,408 So, you're going to help create the path for this, 494 00:19:52,539 --> 00:19:56,934 which was, um, like when Lulu Wang came on 495 00:19:57,065 --> 00:19:59,763 to do "Expats," she was like, "This is what's going to happen 496 00:19:59,894 --> 00:20:01,461 because I know this, 497 00:20:01,591 --> 00:20:03,289 and this is how it's going to happen, 498 00:20:03,419 --> 00:20:04,899 because I know this." 499 00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:07,467 And there's something incredibly freeing 500 00:20:07,597 --> 00:20:11,253 when there's a woman going, 501 00:20:11,384 --> 00:20:14,561 "These are the characters. This is how I'm going to --" 502 00:20:14,691 --> 00:20:18,173 and incredible authority, you know. 503 00:20:18,304 --> 00:20:20,262 And then you go, yeah, I'm going to step into line 504 00:20:20,393 --> 00:20:23,352 with that because you've got my back. 505 00:20:23,483 --> 00:20:25,049 There's another piece of outreach 506 00:20:25,180 --> 00:20:26,790 that I think I've heard you say you do, 507 00:20:26,921 --> 00:20:28,575 which is if you read someone's going to play 508 00:20:28,705 --> 00:20:31,404 a superhero character, you'll reach out. 509 00:20:31,534 --> 00:20:33,493 We need to know what the superhero tips are. 510 00:20:33,623 --> 00:20:35,582 [Laughter]What are they? 511 00:20:35,712 --> 00:20:37,714 I always do.You're a superhero mentor? 512 00:20:37,845 --> 00:20:40,413 Always, always. 513 00:20:40,543 --> 00:20:43,677 I am the first person to e-mail everybody. 514 00:20:43,807 --> 00:20:46,680 Yeah, because it's very specific and very strange. 515 00:20:46,810 --> 00:20:48,029 People are like, "I don't know how to do this." 516 00:20:48,159 --> 00:20:50,161 I'm like, "Yeah, no one does. Why would you?" 517 00:20:50,292 --> 00:20:52,381 And it can feel -- it's a lot of pressure. 518 00:20:52,512 --> 00:20:54,165 And I think it's a strange thing, 519 00:20:54,296 --> 00:20:55,558 especially when you're a newcomer 520 00:20:55,689 --> 00:20:58,213 and you're tasked with being the most powerful 521 00:20:58,344 --> 00:21:00,824 blah, blah, blah of blah, blah, blah. 522 00:21:00,955 --> 00:21:02,696 And you feel scared. 523 00:21:02,826 --> 00:21:05,220 Like, it's so hard to be, like, the cool, confident one 524 00:21:05,351 --> 00:21:07,135 when you're like, "Uh, do I know what I'm supposed to be doing?" 525 00:21:07,266 --> 00:21:08,658 But more than anything, 526 00:21:08,789 --> 00:21:11,705 it's just I remember feeling so petrified, 527 00:21:11,835 --> 00:21:15,099 and I felt very lucky that I came into Marvel 528 00:21:15,230 --> 00:21:17,232 at a time when it was this 10-year anniversary. 529 00:21:17,363 --> 00:21:19,278 So, I was around everybody on "Avengers," 530 00:21:19,408 --> 00:21:20,540 and I was like, "Will you help me? 531 00:21:20,670 --> 00:21:21,845 I'm the new superhero." 532 00:21:21,976 --> 00:21:23,238 And they're like, "You got it, kid." 533 00:21:23,369 --> 00:21:24,413 And, like, but people gave me, like, 534 00:21:24,544 --> 00:21:26,067 actual tangible pieces of advice 535 00:21:26,197 --> 00:21:28,374 and felt like they were an open sounding board. 536 00:21:28,504 --> 00:21:30,071 And just having that made me feel 537 00:21:30,201 --> 00:21:31,725 like it was okay that I was there. 538 00:21:31,855 --> 00:21:33,988 Sure. Yeah. 539 00:21:34,118 --> 00:21:37,818 Sofia, you referenced this idea of what it takes to do a drama. 540 00:21:37,948 --> 00:21:41,300 I feel like you've talked about this idea of playing Griselda, 541 00:21:41,430 --> 00:21:43,780 and you'd come home with her rage. 542 00:21:43,911 --> 00:21:45,565 Mad as hell, 543 00:21:45,695 --> 00:21:47,349 I think is how you've described it. 544 00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:49,699 I'm curious of what that's looked like 545 00:21:49,830 --> 00:21:52,485 for whoever has felt that. 546 00:21:52,615 --> 00:21:54,791 How did it manifest itself? 547 00:21:54,922 --> 00:21:57,446 Well, for me, it was very, very difficult and different. 548 00:21:57,577 --> 00:21:59,492 And the first three weeks, mainly, 549 00:21:59,622 --> 00:22:01,885 I didn't know what was happening to me. 550 00:22:02,016 --> 00:22:05,454 This is hard when you have to cry and kill and choke 551 00:22:05,585 --> 00:22:08,588 and do, snort cocaine and drink alcohol. 552 00:22:08,718 --> 00:22:11,417 And, you know, I had never even in my life 553 00:22:11,547 --> 00:22:13,897 touched a cigarette -- never. 554 00:22:14,028 --> 00:22:17,771 And I had to learn, and to learn at 50 years old, to smoke. 555 00:22:17,901 --> 00:22:21,383 And you're going to be in every single scene smoking. 556 00:22:21,514 --> 00:22:23,777 I was like, huh? 557 00:22:23,907 --> 00:22:25,605 But then the first three weeks, I would go home, 558 00:22:25,735 --> 00:22:27,781 and I didn't know what was wrong with me. 559 00:22:27,911 --> 00:22:29,957 What would it feel like? What would it look like? 560 00:22:30,087 --> 00:22:32,873 It was like I couldn't fall asleep because I was screaming. 561 00:22:33,003 --> 00:22:35,092 I was, like, mad. 562 00:22:35,223 --> 00:22:40,315 I didn't -- I had never cried on anything. 563 00:22:40,446 --> 00:22:42,099 I don't cry on "Modern Family." 564 00:22:42,230 --> 00:22:44,972 So, then I was crying on a set. 565 00:22:45,102 --> 00:22:46,930 Then you go home and I didn't know what was happening to me, 566 00:22:47,061 --> 00:22:48,932 Then took it to Nancy and said, 567 00:22:49,063 --> 00:22:50,934 "I don't know if I'm going to survive this." 568 00:22:51,065 --> 00:22:53,589 It's like, "You're an actress now." 569 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:57,201 So interesting because the way she works 570 00:22:57,332 --> 00:22:59,160 is, you know, you're unlocking some stuff 571 00:22:59,290 --> 00:23:04,121 that you have been sort of put very wonderfully 572 00:23:04,252 --> 00:23:05,819 down into the depths. 573 00:23:05,949 --> 00:23:08,299 Well, for me, my whole life, I come from Colombia. 574 00:23:08,430 --> 00:23:12,391 You know, I've had a lot of crazy stories. 575 00:23:12,521 --> 00:23:16,830 Why I knew I could do Griselda. I had it all. 576 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:18,571 But those were the things that my whole life, 577 00:23:18,701 --> 00:23:21,661 to keep my sanity... 578 00:23:21,791 --> 00:23:23,532 You tucked away. Yeah. 579 00:23:23,663 --> 00:23:27,667 And then here comes this woman and tells me, "Okay." 580 00:23:27,797 --> 00:23:29,103 Like, I don't know how to cry. 581 00:23:29,233 --> 00:23:30,887 She's like, "You're gonna do it." 582 00:23:31,018 --> 00:23:33,020 And then you don't stop. 583 00:23:33,150 --> 00:23:35,152 I don't know how you guys do it all the time, those dramas. 584 00:23:35,283 --> 00:23:37,154 It's like comedy's so much. 585 00:23:37,285 --> 00:23:39,679 You need to recover. 586 00:23:39,809 --> 00:23:41,420 You have to shake it off. 587 00:23:41,550 --> 00:23:43,596 Have you guys -- presumably you -- 588 00:23:43,726 --> 00:23:45,162 I've almost no comedies in my life. 589 00:23:45,293 --> 00:23:46,381 And I -- Do you want to? 590 00:23:46,512 --> 00:23:47,730 I do enjoy them. 591 00:23:47,861 --> 00:23:49,428 I enjoy them for the first two weeks, 592 00:23:49,558 --> 00:23:51,212 and then after two weeks, I'm like, 593 00:23:51,342 --> 00:23:54,476 "I can't do this one more minute longer." 594 00:23:54,607 --> 00:23:56,783 I think it's that, um, energy, 595 00:23:56,913 --> 00:23:59,307 the sort of enforced energy that you have to find. 596 00:23:59,438 --> 00:24:01,614 I find drama much easier. 597 00:24:01,744 --> 00:24:03,790 Naomi: I do, too. 598 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,748 But is it because it's your wheelhouse, 599 00:24:05,879 --> 00:24:07,794 like, you've been doing that? 600 00:24:07,924 --> 00:24:11,101 Like, I feel nervous in that I'm gonna screw up the joke. 601 00:24:11,232 --> 00:24:14,453 Like, "The joke is coming. Oh, God. Oh, God. Panic, panic." 602 00:24:14,583 --> 00:24:16,498 I think it's an introvert thing. 603 00:24:16,629 --> 00:24:18,892 I think I'm genuinely an introverted person. 604 00:24:19,022 --> 00:24:22,939 So, I think in order to keep the energy on the set, 605 00:24:23,070 --> 00:24:25,594 you need to be a more extroverted person. 606 00:24:25,725 --> 00:24:26,943 It's just not natural to me at all. 607 00:24:27,074 --> 00:24:28,510 So, after two weeks, I'm exhausted. 608 00:24:28,641 --> 00:24:30,730 -Yeah. -Right, right. 609 00:24:30,860 --> 00:24:32,862 And we're coming back with our drama actress roundtable 610 00:24:32,993 --> 00:24:33,863 right after this. 611 00:24:34,037 --> 00:24:39,695 ♪♪ 612 00:24:41,654 --> 00:24:47,877 ♪ 613 00:24:48,008 --> 00:24:50,489 Welcome back to "Off Script with The Hollywood Reporter." 614 00:24:50,619 --> 00:24:52,273 Now, when you take on a role, you have to be 615 00:24:52,403 --> 00:24:54,057 one with the character, you know? 616 00:24:54,188 --> 00:24:56,625 But what happens when you can't get out of character? 617 00:24:56,756 --> 00:24:58,888 Let's see what Brie Larson has to say. 618 00:24:59,019 --> 00:25:02,109 In "Lessons in Chemistry," you play a character 619 00:25:02,239 --> 00:25:04,981 that men inherently distrust and dislike 620 00:25:05,112 --> 00:25:07,027 for no reason other than the fact 621 00:25:07,157 --> 00:25:08,811 that she is a woman. 622 00:25:08,942 --> 00:25:09,986 Is that right? Uh-huh. Was that a question? 623 00:25:10,117 --> 00:25:12,119 [Laughter] 624 00:25:13,555 --> 00:25:15,470 I guess I couldn't help but see the correlation 625 00:25:15,601 --> 00:25:17,559 between how -- Oh, okay. 626 00:25:17,690 --> 00:25:19,735 Is this where you think it's going? 627 00:25:19,866 --> 00:25:21,128 I'm scared. Let's keep going.Okay. 628 00:25:21,258 --> 00:25:22,999 [Laughter] 629 00:25:23,130 --> 00:25:24,218 Couldn't help but see the correlation between 630 00:25:24,348 --> 00:25:25,785 what your character experiences 631 00:25:25,915 --> 00:25:27,656 and what you, as you sort of navigate 632 00:25:27,787 --> 00:25:31,834 the sort of superhero Marvel world, has experienced. 633 00:25:31,965 --> 00:25:33,923 Well, I don't know if it's specific to Marvel. 634 00:25:34,054 --> 00:25:36,970 I think that's just -- I only know my experience, 635 00:25:37,100 --> 00:25:41,540 and my experience is being underestimated at times. 636 00:25:41,670 --> 00:25:43,629 So, do you draw from that in a way? 637 00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:45,282 Yeah, yeah, of course. 638 00:25:45,413 --> 00:25:46,936 I think the best I've been able to find 639 00:25:47,067 --> 00:25:49,809 with characters I play is that they're all me. 640 00:25:49,939 --> 00:25:52,942 It's just like a mixing board. 641 00:25:53,073 --> 00:25:55,075 It's like if you've ever watched, like, I don't know, 642 00:25:55,205 --> 00:25:56,555 a musician, and they're mixing their music, 643 00:25:56,685 --> 00:25:58,774 and it's like, oh, that's that lever. 644 00:25:58,905 --> 00:26:02,038 And I'm just messing with those always. 645 00:26:02,169 --> 00:26:03,953 And I think the hardest part for me 646 00:26:04,084 --> 00:26:06,086 has not been committing to the characters. 647 00:26:06,216 --> 00:26:07,827 It's getting out of them. 648 00:26:07,957 --> 00:26:09,263 Do you have tricks? Like, do you have -- 649 00:26:09,393 --> 00:26:10,830 Do you have a -- Yeah. 650 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:13,833 I basically haven't done anything as dark 651 00:26:13,963 --> 00:26:15,617 as "Room" since "Room" 652 00:26:15,748 --> 00:26:18,968 because it took me like a year to get out of it. 653 00:26:19,099 --> 00:26:20,317 I spent nine months creating that character 654 00:26:20,448 --> 00:26:21,667 and living that character. 655 00:26:21,797 --> 00:26:23,930 And then I was back at home, 656 00:26:24,060 --> 00:26:26,236 and I didn't know how to exist in the world anymore. 657 00:26:26,367 --> 00:26:27,716 And it was really scary. 658 00:26:27,847 --> 00:26:29,805 After that, it was like five years 659 00:26:29,936 --> 00:26:33,374 of purposely picking jobs where I felt like it was safe 660 00:26:33,504 --> 00:26:35,202 for me to try out new techniques. 661 00:26:35,332 --> 00:26:36,943 It was safe for me to try and figure out, okay, 662 00:26:37,073 --> 00:26:38,858 how can I do things so that I go home 663 00:26:38,988 --> 00:26:40,816 and feel just a little bit better. 664 00:26:40,947 --> 00:26:43,558 And "Lessons in Chemistry," I didn't have that so much, 665 00:26:43,689 --> 00:26:45,212 especially with a character 666 00:26:45,342 --> 00:26:46,996 that, like, won't let anybody see her emotions. 667 00:26:47,127 --> 00:26:48,563 So, I eventually just was like, 668 00:26:48,694 --> 00:26:49,956 "You have to put a pop-up tent on set. 669 00:26:50,086 --> 00:26:51,827 And that's, like, where I'm going to go cry." 670 00:26:51,958 --> 00:26:55,135 So, you have to find ways to learn how to offload. 671 00:26:55,265 --> 00:26:56,919 I played a lot of games on set. 672 00:26:57,050 --> 00:26:58,355 We played a lot of board games. 673 00:26:58,486 --> 00:27:00,793 You find things. You'll find things. 674 00:27:00,923 --> 00:27:02,882 You have to find what works for you. 675 00:27:03,012 --> 00:27:05,972 But to me, that's always been the biggest challenge --This one. 676 00:27:06,102 --> 00:27:08,496 [Laughter] 677 00:27:08,627 --> 00:27:10,150 Everyone's got their thing. 678 00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:12,500 How do you decide what pieces of you, 679 00:27:12,631 --> 00:27:13,719 the real you, to share? 680 00:27:13,849 --> 00:27:15,242 I'm going to turn to you 681 00:27:15,372 --> 00:27:17,157 because I feel like we're in this moment 682 00:27:17,287 --> 00:27:20,377 where I hear as much of you talking about your acting career 683 00:27:20,508 --> 00:27:24,643 as I do hearing you talk about your sort of struggles 684 00:27:24,773 --> 00:27:28,995 with menopause, and you do it with grace and humor. 685 00:27:29,125 --> 00:27:30,605 And I think I've heard you say that was something 686 00:27:30,736 --> 00:27:31,998 that you were nervous about, 687 00:27:32,128 --> 00:27:34,783 initially, talking about publicly. 688 00:27:34,914 --> 00:27:36,611 How do you decide, when so much of you, 689 00:27:36,742 --> 00:27:38,395 you want to keep private, 690 00:27:38,526 --> 00:27:41,050 you want to keep guarded, 691 00:27:41,181 --> 00:27:43,966 that you decide this is going to be the thing I share? 692 00:27:44,097 --> 00:27:48,405 Yeah, I mean, you know, I started late also, 693 00:27:48,536 --> 00:27:50,451 by Hollywood standards, I would say. 694 00:27:50,581 --> 00:27:52,975 I didn't try to start late. 695 00:27:53,106 --> 00:27:56,457 I just wasn't hired for a long time. 696 00:27:56,587 --> 00:28:00,243 But I started, uh, getting work in my late -- 697 00:28:00,374 --> 00:28:03,682 well, "Mulholland Drive" was 29, and then it sat on a shelf, 698 00:28:03,812 --> 00:28:07,381 and then it was like 31 when it finally launched, so... 699 00:28:07,511 --> 00:28:10,427 And I was told also, it's going to be over by 40. 700 00:28:10,558 --> 00:28:14,518 So, work, work, work. 701 00:28:14,649 --> 00:28:18,087 And then, unfortunately for me, 702 00:28:18,218 --> 00:28:20,176 when I was at the precipice of wanting to start a family, 703 00:28:20,307 --> 00:28:21,830 I was 36. 704 00:28:21,961 --> 00:28:23,919 I was told I was close to menopause. 705 00:28:24,050 --> 00:28:26,879 And so, I went into this frantic panic. 706 00:28:27,009 --> 00:28:31,884 A lot of shame and fear and, um... 707 00:28:32,014 --> 00:28:33,624 Mercifully, for whatever reason -- 708 00:28:33,755 --> 00:28:34,756 I'm skipping through a lot -- 709 00:28:34,887 --> 00:28:37,498 I was able to have children, 710 00:28:37,628 --> 00:28:40,066 but then went straight into menopause. 711 00:28:40,196 --> 00:28:43,199 Hardcore symptoms in my early 40s after my second child, 712 00:28:43,330 --> 00:28:46,159 and, um, still felt very ashamed 713 00:28:46,289 --> 00:28:48,901 and felt like if I ever dared to mention that word, 714 00:28:49,031 --> 00:28:52,687 I would be branded as, you know, redundant, 715 00:28:52,818 --> 00:28:54,820 finished, off to pasture. 716 00:28:54,950 --> 00:28:56,909 Go to the sidelines. You're not sexy. 717 00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:58,519 There's no way you can act anymore. 718 00:28:58,649 --> 00:29:00,434 That's it, you know. 719 00:29:00,564 --> 00:29:04,046 It'd be career suicide to bring that into the room. 720 00:29:04,177 --> 00:29:06,483 But then I was like, "This makes no sense. 721 00:29:06,614 --> 00:29:08,529 We're half the population. 722 00:29:08,659 --> 00:29:10,487 Everybody's going to go into menopause 723 00:29:10,618 --> 00:29:12,881 at some point or another. 724 00:29:13,012 --> 00:29:14,970 Why shouldn't we be talking about it?" 725 00:29:15,101 --> 00:29:17,277 And when you learn about the symptoms 726 00:29:17,407 --> 00:29:19,279 and how long they can go on for, 727 00:29:19,409 --> 00:29:22,978 why can't we find the support? Why can't -- 728 00:29:23,109 --> 00:29:25,024 And it's not just the physiological support you need, 729 00:29:25,154 --> 00:29:26,155 it's the emotional support. 730 00:29:26,286 --> 00:29:28,070 Was just fascinating to me 731 00:29:28,201 --> 00:29:31,030 that it wasn't an available discussion. 732 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,380 So, I just went, fuck this. 733 00:29:33,510 --> 00:29:35,338 Like, let's just talk about it. 734 00:29:35,469 --> 00:29:38,864 And in terms of my career, I felt like, well, 735 00:29:38,994 --> 00:29:42,389 if it spooks everyone, that's a bummer. 736 00:29:42,519 --> 00:29:44,173 Um, but, you know, 737 00:29:44,304 --> 00:29:46,393 hopefully it actually does the opposite 738 00:29:46,523 --> 00:29:48,177 and elongates the career 739 00:29:48,308 --> 00:29:51,311 because, you know, someone's got to play the old lady. 740 00:29:51,441 --> 00:29:54,314 And I think, you know, the longer the life, 741 00:29:54,444 --> 00:29:58,144 the richer the stories, and there's lots to examine. 742 00:29:58,274 --> 00:30:00,494 We need to, you know, do whatever we can 743 00:30:00,624 --> 00:30:05,412 to expand the female story at every point. 744 00:30:05,542 --> 00:30:07,022 That goes back to your earlier question, 745 00:30:07,153 --> 00:30:08,632 what would you have loved, your earlier self, 746 00:30:08,763 --> 00:30:10,330 for someone to prepare you for? 747 00:30:10,460 --> 00:30:13,289 That would have been a nice bit of information. 748 00:30:13,420 --> 00:30:16,379 Yeah, because it's like you go into it sort of blindly, 749 00:30:16,510 --> 00:30:18,729 like, what, some alien's taking over your body. 750 00:30:18,860 --> 00:30:20,166 -Yes. -Yeah. 751 00:30:20,296 --> 00:30:22,037 And it doesn't make sense. 752 00:30:22,168 --> 00:30:25,388 So, and it affects you in your life and in your work. 753 00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:28,174 So, that would have been a good piece of information. 754 00:30:28,304 --> 00:30:30,176 -Yeah. -Yeah. 755 00:30:30,306 --> 00:30:32,787 So, for your generation --Just know. 756 00:30:32,918 --> 00:30:34,354 It's gonna happen to you, too. 757 00:30:34,484 --> 00:30:37,574 [Laughter]Oh, I know. 758 00:30:37,705 --> 00:30:38,924 And we don't have to play just 759 00:30:39,054 --> 00:30:42,101 the cranky, old, scary ladies anymore. 760 00:30:42,231 --> 00:30:44,190 We can -- yeah. 761 00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:45,495 I play all the cranky scary ladies. 762 00:30:45,626 --> 00:30:47,410 [Laughter] 763 00:30:47,541 --> 00:30:49,108 I'll play them, too, but, like, 764 00:30:49,238 --> 00:30:51,501 I can also do other things, you know, 765 00:30:51,632 --> 00:30:53,677 without that sort of ridiculous --Lacey: But it is. 766 00:30:53,808 --> 00:30:55,766 I mean, you just sort of decide what it is 767 00:30:55,897 --> 00:30:56,898 you're going to let people in on. 768 00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:58,682 And in your case, it was -- 769 00:30:58,813 --> 00:31:01,381 there was something for all to gain from that. 770 00:31:01,511 --> 00:31:04,079 But whether it is, you know, challenges 771 00:31:04,210 --> 00:31:06,603 with fertility, whether it is, you know, 772 00:31:06,734 --> 00:31:08,954 why you got a divorce. 773 00:31:09,084 --> 00:31:11,130 I mean, these are things that I feel like 774 00:31:11,260 --> 00:31:13,567 some of you are talking about in a way 775 00:31:13,697 --> 00:31:16,396 that perhaps you weren't before. 776 00:31:16,526 --> 00:31:18,311 Mm-hmm. 777 00:31:18,441 --> 00:31:20,139 Because the older you get the more "fuck it" you get. 778 00:31:20,269 --> 00:31:21,488 You care less.Exactly. 779 00:31:21,618 --> 00:31:23,403 Yeah. That's true. 780 00:31:23,533 --> 00:31:24,491 That's very true. 781 00:31:24,621 --> 00:31:26,101 That's right, Hollywood. 782 00:31:26,232 --> 00:31:27,842 A woman's life does not end at 40, okay? 783 00:31:27,973 --> 00:31:29,061 It's just getting started. 784 00:31:29,191 --> 00:31:30,453 That's when the fun begins. 785 00:31:30,584 --> 00:31:32,412 We are so sexy. Hello! 786 00:31:32,542 --> 00:31:34,327 And while we're at it, 787 00:31:34,457 --> 00:31:36,416 why not make our love interest like 25, as well? 788 00:31:36,546 --> 00:31:37,591 You know, y'all do it for the men. 789 00:31:37,721 --> 00:31:39,158 Why not for us? 790 00:31:39,288 --> 00:31:41,116 More with our panel when we return. 791 00:31:41,247 --> 00:31:43,162 I mean, how young is too young, right? 792 00:31:43,292 --> 00:31:44,293 How old are you? 793 00:31:44,424 --> 00:31:49,995 ♪ 794 00:31:51,953 --> 00:31:58,264 ♪ 795 00:31:58,394 --> 00:32:00,309 Welcome back to "Off Script with The Hollywood Reporter." 796 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,007 Right back to you, Lacey. 797 00:32:02,137 --> 00:32:03,095 Who are the people in this industry 798 00:32:03,225 --> 00:32:05,314 who have sort of helped you, 799 00:32:05,445 --> 00:32:09,275 guide you in some of those lonelier moments of this life? 800 00:32:09,405 --> 00:32:13,192 Toni Collette was, like, my first, like, hero mentor. 801 00:32:13,322 --> 00:32:17,718 I did -- She was -- I was just completely obsessed with her 802 00:32:17,848 --> 00:32:21,200 um, when I was in -- when I was homeschooling myself -- 803 00:32:21,330 --> 00:32:23,854 Wow....like, dreaming of being an actress. 804 00:32:23,985 --> 00:32:27,249 And then, like, my first, like, I'd say true job, 805 00:32:27,380 --> 00:32:29,034 I was 18, and it was to play her daughter, 806 00:32:29,164 --> 00:32:31,993 and it felt like destiny.Uh-huh. 807 00:32:32,124 --> 00:32:33,429 And so scary. 808 00:32:33,560 --> 00:32:35,518 Like, the mix of all the good things, 809 00:32:35,649 --> 00:32:37,564 like, oh, I'm going to be so challenged and I'm so scared. 810 00:32:37,694 --> 00:32:41,046 And luckily I had auditioned for like 10 years at that point. 811 00:32:41,176 --> 00:32:43,178 I was, like, a professional auditioner, 812 00:32:43,309 --> 00:32:44,484 but, like, didn't really have a chance. 813 00:32:44,614 --> 00:32:45,833 So, I was prepared. 814 00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:47,791 I was as prepared as I could be, 815 00:32:47,922 --> 00:32:49,489 and I got to have three years with her. 816 00:32:49,619 --> 00:32:52,579 And so, that became, like, massively important. 817 00:32:52,709 --> 00:32:55,190 And then over the years, like, going out of my way 818 00:32:55,321 --> 00:32:56,844 to make friends with other women in the industry 819 00:32:56,975 --> 00:32:58,933 because it started going, like, 820 00:32:59,064 --> 00:33:01,892 wait, there's always usually just, like, one woman on a job. 821 00:33:02,023 --> 00:33:04,373 I was always the only one. 822 00:33:04,504 --> 00:33:06,332 And you go like, "Oh, yeah, I don't even know. 823 00:33:06,462 --> 00:33:07,768 Like, there's things that make me uncomfortable 824 00:33:07,898 --> 00:33:09,030 or things that I'd like to change 825 00:33:09,161 --> 00:33:10,771 or things I'd like to laugh about. Yep. 826 00:33:10,901 --> 00:33:12,773 And connecting with other women in the industry 827 00:33:12,903 --> 00:33:15,602 has been, like, a game changer for me 828 00:33:15,732 --> 00:33:19,040 because you get to swap stories and understand and connect, 829 00:33:19,171 --> 00:33:21,477 and, oh, it's just the greatest. 830 00:33:21,608 --> 00:33:22,870 It's the best. Yeah.Jennifer: It's so true. 831 00:33:23,001 --> 00:33:26,178 Relying on your female co-stars 832 00:33:26,308 --> 00:33:28,180 and being able to reach out and just say -- 833 00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:29,703 and not having to do with the work, 834 00:33:29,833 --> 00:33:31,400 but just, like, life. 835 00:33:31,531 --> 00:33:33,489 I mean, when we did that movie in Hawaii, 836 00:33:33,620 --> 00:33:35,622 you helped me out on a lot of really hard things 837 00:33:35,752 --> 00:33:37,276 I was going through, you know, 838 00:33:37,406 --> 00:33:39,843 and just to have that community, it's very helpful. 839 00:33:39,974 --> 00:33:41,758 Do you feel like you've found that yet? 840 00:33:41,889 --> 00:33:45,762 Are there people who are guiding you along? 841 00:33:45,893 --> 00:33:47,286 Or have we just found them? 842 00:33:47,416 --> 00:33:48,896 Are these women about to be them? 843 00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:50,637 Anna: You may have found them. 844 00:33:51,681 --> 00:33:53,944 I've not had enough experience 845 00:33:54,075 --> 00:33:56,208 to be like, "my journey" 846 00:33:56,338 --> 00:33:58,688 and like, "this person has helped me so much." 847 00:33:58,819 --> 00:34:03,780 It's like little bits of advice from a lot of my co-stars 848 00:34:03,911 --> 00:34:06,696 and a lot of people behind the scenes. 849 00:34:07,915 --> 00:34:09,003 But I actually have a question, 850 00:34:09,134 --> 00:34:11,527 because now you do meet 851 00:34:11,658 --> 00:34:14,443 so many female people on set. 852 00:34:15,574 --> 00:34:17,446 But growing up in the industry, 853 00:34:17,577 --> 00:34:19,318 like, how was that for you? 854 00:34:19,447 --> 00:34:21,101 I never saw another female face, 855 00:34:21,233 --> 00:34:22,581 except for the lady who played my mom 856 00:34:22,712 --> 00:34:25,759 and possibly the makeup or hair. 857 00:34:25,889 --> 00:34:28,109 But in the old days, those were also men. 858 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,981 And then little by little, as women came on to movie sets, 859 00:34:31,112 --> 00:34:33,114 it was just this fantastic thing 860 00:34:33,245 --> 00:34:35,377 that there would be one other female person on set, 861 00:34:35,507 --> 00:34:38,076 and then there would be two, and then maybe three. 862 00:34:38,206 --> 00:34:40,860 And I think that that kept growing, 863 00:34:40,991 --> 00:34:43,255 except there were never female directors. 864 00:34:43,385 --> 00:34:45,474 So, yeah.I met Jane Campion. 865 00:34:45,605 --> 00:34:47,259 Yeah. You're lucky. 866 00:34:47,389 --> 00:34:50,262 So, I was like, wow. She was the one. 867 00:34:50,391 --> 00:34:51,915 You'd see her. Yeah. 868 00:34:52,045 --> 00:34:54,353 Yeah, there would be, like, girls on story 869 00:34:54,483 --> 00:34:56,964 and then and then going and auditioning for her. 870 00:34:57,094 --> 00:34:58,705 And she was rigorous. 871 00:34:58,835 --> 00:35:01,273 I mean, so it was a powerful woman, too. 872 00:35:01,403 --> 00:35:03,101 It wasn't a wallflower woman. 873 00:35:03,231 --> 00:35:06,278 It was a -- she was right there, 874 00:35:06,408 --> 00:35:10,020 and everyone was would do what she said. 875 00:35:10,151 --> 00:35:12,284 So, was a great role model. 876 00:35:12,414 --> 00:35:13,937 And there is this sort of misconception 877 00:35:14,068 --> 00:35:16,418 that somehow female actresses are like, 878 00:35:16,549 --> 00:35:18,246 they're at each other, 879 00:35:18,377 --> 00:35:19,900 they don't like each other or whatever. 880 00:35:20,030 --> 00:35:22,294 I mean, I've -- even this year 881 00:35:22,424 --> 00:35:24,687 of going to the various events and things, 882 00:35:24,818 --> 00:35:26,689 it always just feels so nice because the women really feel 883 00:35:26,820 --> 00:35:29,344 like they want each other to succeed. 884 00:35:29,475 --> 00:35:31,129 I've never had one moment where I ever felt 885 00:35:31,259 --> 00:35:32,826 that there was a woman who didn't want me to succeed. 886 00:35:32,956 --> 00:35:34,784 And we all interfaced with each other. 887 00:35:34,915 --> 00:35:37,091 So, Nicole, I took over from a movie that you had to leave. 888 00:35:37,222 --> 00:35:38,527 Yeah. Thank you. 889 00:35:38,658 --> 00:35:39,659 [Laughter] 890 00:35:39,789 --> 00:35:41,617 I was in a really bad way. 891 00:35:41,748 --> 00:35:43,967 I mean, I was like, "I'm having a breakdown." 892 00:35:44,098 --> 00:35:47,841 We are all --And Jodie took over. 893 00:35:47,971 --> 00:35:49,495 Thank the Lord. 894 00:35:49,625 --> 00:35:53,194 But we all care about each other in a way. 895 00:35:53,325 --> 00:35:55,936 And I almost feel like it's some guy had this idea 896 00:35:56,066 --> 00:35:58,504 that women just want to break each other down 897 00:35:58,634 --> 00:36:02,508 and, um, that just hasn't been my experience. 898 00:36:02,638 --> 00:36:04,597 And you can feel jealous. You can feel these things. 899 00:36:04,727 --> 00:36:06,294 That's normal. 900 00:36:06,425 --> 00:36:07,774 We'll work through it together. 901 00:36:07,904 --> 00:36:09,558 I grew up with sisters 902 00:36:09,689 --> 00:36:12,779 and a very strong feminine energy in the house, 903 00:36:12,909 --> 00:36:15,173 so it was always like, yeah, 904 00:36:15,303 --> 00:36:17,653 there's a gamut of emotions here. 905 00:36:17,784 --> 00:36:19,481 But you're allowed to feel them, 906 00:36:19,612 --> 00:36:21,309 and we're going to work through them together. 907 00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:22,832 But reach out because we're here to help. 908 00:36:22,963 --> 00:36:24,704 That's a gift. 909 00:36:24,834 --> 00:36:26,749 That is truly a gift, to be able to have that. 910 00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,709 Definitely, Nic has been a guiding force. 911 00:36:29,839 --> 00:36:31,972 And this is... 912 00:36:32,102 --> 00:36:35,280 You, too, for me....sorry to age us, but a 40-year friendship. 913 00:36:35,410 --> 00:36:37,804 Yeah. Yeah. Amazing. 914 00:36:37,934 --> 00:36:40,154 You know, ups and downs.That did not start in acting. 915 00:36:40,285 --> 00:36:42,722 Started...Um, no. Down at the park. 916 00:36:42,852 --> 00:36:45,028 [Laughter] 917 00:36:46,900 --> 00:36:49,337 Keep going, keep going. 918 00:36:49,468 --> 00:36:53,211 Ah, women supporting women. You got to love it. 919 00:36:53,341 --> 00:36:54,908 There is room for all of us at the top, 920 00:36:55,038 --> 00:36:56,779 and I will see you there, ladies. 921 00:36:56,910 --> 00:36:59,391 More with our actresses roundtable right after this. 922 00:36:59,521 --> 00:37:05,223 ♪ 923 00:37:06,485 --> 00:37:12,926 ♪ 924 00:37:13,056 --> 00:37:14,971 Welcome back to "Off Script with The Hollywood Reporter." 925 00:37:15,102 --> 00:37:16,538 Let's pick things back up 926 00:37:16,669 --> 00:37:18,584 with our drama actress roundtable. 927 00:37:18,714 --> 00:37:20,586 If I can gush a little bit, Jodie, 928 00:37:20,716 --> 00:37:23,197 I mean, we're only a few years apart, 929 00:37:23,328 --> 00:37:25,852 but just your career was obviously so underway 930 00:37:25,982 --> 00:37:27,723 for such a long time. 931 00:37:27,854 --> 00:37:31,118 And you changed my life, your performances. 932 00:37:31,249 --> 00:37:33,033 Like, there's -- 933 00:37:33,163 --> 00:37:35,862 I still remember, like, "Accused." 934 00:37:35,992 --> 00:37:37,994 Oh, I mean, I'm gonna -- 935 00:37:38,125 --> 00:37:41,084 -You remember how you started? -Yeah, how did you do that? 936 00:37:41,215 --> 00:37:43,696 How? Who you are as a human being today, 937 00:37:43,826 --> 00:37:46,438 again, having started as a child.And so well-adjusted. 938 00:37:46,568 --> 00:37:48,309 The generation before us kept telling us 939 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,441 that things were just going to get worse for us, 940 00:37:49,571 --> 00:37:51,269 and you hit 40 and it's over. 941 00:37:51,399 --> 00:37:53,619 And I have to say, I have never been as happy 942 00:37:53,749 --> 00:37:56,578 as an actor as when I turned 60. 943 00:37:56,709 --> 00:37:58,754 There's just some kind of contentedness 944 00:37:58,885 --> 00:38:00,887 about it not being all about me 945 00:38:01,017 --> 00:38:02,192 and walking onto a set 946 00:38:02,323 --> 00:38:04,107 and saying, "How may I serve you? 947 00:38:04,238 --> 00:38:07,285 How can my experience or my whatever 'my wisdom' is, 948 00:38:07,415 --> 00:38:09,287 you know, how can I serve you?" 949 00:38:09,417 --> 00:38:11,637 And bringing that to the table, 950 00:38:11,767 --> 00:38:14,466 not only is it more fun and more freeing, 951 00:38:14,596 --> 00:38:17,251 but it's also easy. 952 00:38:17,382 --> 00:38:19,297 It's super easy 953 00:38:19,427 --> 00:38:22,125 because you're not filled with anxiety about the things 954 00:38:22,256 --> 00:38:23,823 that maybe younger people are filled with anxiety about, 955 00:38:23,953 --> 00:38:25,564 and you have a lot to learn from them. 956 00:38:25,694 --> 00:38:28,262 Did I read that you were done with doing leads, 957 00:38:28,393 --> 00:38:30,917 or, like, you just --No, I just got bored with it. 958 00:38:31,047 --> 00:38:32,179 I think I got bored with --You went to college. 959 00:38:32,310 --> 00:38:34,442 Didn't you stop for a while? 960 00:38:34,573 --> 00:38:36,009 I never stopped when I went to school. 961 00:38:36,139 --> 00:38:38,228 I did do -- I did six movies while I was in college. 962 00:38:38,359 --> 00:38:40,274 Oh, my God. 963 00:38:40,405 --> 00:38:41,928 Wow! 964 00:38:43,712 --> 00:38:46,106 I think that I learned so much also from this -- 965 00:38:46,236 --> 00:38:48,108 from new voices, you know, from seeing 966 00:38:48,238 --> 00:38:51,024 your character, for example, in "Shogun," 967 00:38:51,154 --> 00:38:52,852 but, you know, seeing new characters with different voices 968 00:38:52,982 --> 00:38:55,724 that have now finally been given the freedom to air themselves. 969 00:38:55,855 --> 00:38:59,946 And I want to hear them, and I want to support them, 970 00:39:00,076 --> 00:39:02,949 and whatever wisdom I have about helping those voices, 971 00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,560 then I feel like it's just so much more fun 972 00:39:05,691 --> 00:39:08,520 than being the one person who's, you know, 973 00:39:08,650 --> 00:39:10,609 number one on the call sheet from beginning to end 974 00:39:10,739 --> 00:39:12,567 that has to carry the burden of the narrative, 975 00:39:12,698 --> 00:39:14,569 but also meaning that there are rules 976 00:39:14,700 --> 00:39:18,530 about how much you can give, in some ways. 977 00:39:20,096 --> 00:39:21,489 And you can change their narrative, too. 978 00:39:21,620 --> 00:39:23,535 Jen's career. Let's talk about it. 979 00:39:23,665 --> 00:39:25,798 I wasn't a baby, baby. 980 00:39:25,928 --> 00:39:29,410 No, but you have sustained an enormous, like, career -- 981 00:39:29,541 --> 00:39:31,934 I don't know how....and success. 982 00:39:32,065 --> 00:39:33,719 It's talent. It's called talent. 983 00:39:33,849 --> 00:39:37,070 So, every time I'd get to sit like I'm sitting here, 984 00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:38,506 I was nervous. 985 00:39:38,637 --> 00:39:41,901 I mean, these are -- I'll start to cry. 986 00:39:42,031 --> 00:39:44,294 But, you know, I get -- I'm motivated. 987 00:39:44,425 --> 00:39:45,905 I'm still here. We're still here. 988 00:39:46,035 --> 00:39:47,385 Yeah. It's incredible. 989 00:39:47,515 --> 00:39:48,908 That's why Sofia, too, you know, 990 00:39:49,038 --> 00:39:51,650 don't be terrorized by the English language. 991 00:39:51,780 --> 00:39:54,870 Who said the English language is the most important language? 992 00:39:55,001 --> 00:39:56,568 There's so many stories to be told 993 00:39:56,698 --> 00:39:57,960 that haven't been told. 994 00:39:58,091 --> 00:40:00,093 It's a little bit more work, though. 995 00:40:00,223 --> 00:40:03,313 You do have to go more after it and not be scared. 996 00:40:03,444 --> 00:40:06,142 And, you know, you have to have a certain personality 997 00:40:06,273 --> 00:40:08,362 for that not to affect you, though. 998 00:40:08,493 --> 00:40:12,975 Because it can be, you know, ridiculous. 999 00:40:13,106 --> 00:40:15,282 You know that I --Well, you have to make it your superpower. 1000 00:40:15,413 --> 00:40:17,676 Yeah, I made it my superpower. 1001 00:40:17,806 --> 00:40:19,025 I was like, I'm like, I sound like an idiot. 1002 00:40:19,155 --> 00:40:21,288 I don't care. I'm going to play an idiot. 1003 00:40:23,464 --> 00:40:25,597 This is going to sound silly, but I promise you, 1004 00:40:25,727 --> 00:40:26,946 it is actually going to be revealing 1005 00:40:27,076 --> 00:40:28,164 about sort of who you are. 1006 00:40:28,295 --> 00:40:30,471 [Laughter] 1007 00:40:32,386 --> 00:40:34,736 What is the most used emoji on your phone? 1008 00:40:34,867 --> 00:40:36,216 I can go first. Mine is an eye roll. 1009 00:40:36,346 --> 00:40:37,696 Heart.What color heart? 1010 00:40:37,826 --> 00:40:39,306 Red. Yeah, the red. 1011 00:40:39,437 --> 00:40:41,743 Oh!And not the little one. 1012 00:40:41,874 --> 00:40:44,920 The big one that's from the playing cards. 1013 00:40:45,051 --> 00:40:46,400 I'm the same! 1014 00:40:46,531 --> 00:40:48,358 [Laughter] 1015 00:40:48,489 --> 00:40:50,752 You know, it's shiny. It's -- yeah. 1016 00:40:50,883 --> 00:40:52,798 Nicole: I love we're the same. 1017 00:40:52,928 --> 00:40:54,539 What about the rest of you? What do you do? 1018 00:40:54,669 --> 00:40:56,192 I have... [Smooches] 1019 00:40:56,323 --> 00:40:57,324 You do the kiss one? 1020 00:40:57,455 --> 00:40:59,282 See? This is revealing. 1021 00:40:59,413 --> 00:41:00,327 The kiss with the heart? 1022 00:41:00,458 --> 00:41:01,894 I do -- I love the Bozo. 1023 00:41:02,024 --> 00:41:03,373 The Bozo? 1024 00:41:03,504 --> 00:41:04,505 Just like this crazy clown. 1025 00:41:04,636 --> 00:41:06,202 Oh! Bozo the Clown? 1026 00:41:06,333 --> 00:41:07,334 I don't really know what it means, 1027 00:41:07,465 --> 00:41:08,640 but I put it on things anyway. 1028 00:41:08,770 --> 00:41:10,032 I don't really know what -- 1029 00:41:10,163 --> 00:41:11,207 I like the one where the eyes 1030 00:41:11,338 --> 00:41:12,557 are just, like, going, like... 1031 00:41:12,687 --> 00:41:13,558 They're just...That's yours? 1032 00:41:13,688 --> 00:41:15,690 Not the eye roll back. 1033 00:41:15,821 --> 00:41:18,214 It's just like I don't know what the fuck is happening right now. 1034 00:41:18,345 --> 00:41:21,000 Or I forgot -- and the other one, the "eek" one. 1035 00:41:21,130 --> 00:41:23,045 Oh, yeah. Yep. 1036 00:41:23,176 --> 00:41:25,004 I like the one with the bad words. 1037 00:41:25,134 --> 00:41:26,701 The bad words? [Laughs] 1038 00:41:26,832 --> 00:41:27,615 The one that has that thing with the bad words. 1039 00:41:27,746 --> 00:41:29,399 See? This is revealing. 1040 00:41:29,530 --> 00:41:31,576 What is that one?You're gonna like it. 1041 00:41:31,706 --> 00:41:33,447 Naomi: With a cross face. 1042 00:41:33,578 --> 00:41:35,493 It tells everything I want to say. 1043 00:41:35,623 --> 00:41:36,885 Brie: Crying and laughing.Like, the sideways guy? 1044 00:41:37,016 --> 00:41:38,670 Yeah. See? 1045 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:40,106 Should we cheers? 1046 00:41:40,236 --> 00:41:41,977 And thank you for being here. 1047 00:41:42,108 --> 00:41:43,501 I wish it could go on much more. 1048 00:41:43,631 --> 00:41:45,981 Naomi: It seemed to go so quickly. 1049 00:41:46,112 --> 00:41:48,593 [Laughter] 1050 00:41:48,723 --> 00:41:50,377 You have to look at everybody's eyes 1051 00:41:50,508 --> 00:41:52,422 or it's seven years of bad sex! 1052 00:41:52,553 --> 00:41:53,685 [Laughter] 1053 00:41:53,815 --> 00:41:55,643 Crazy people! 1054 00:41:55,774 --> 00:41:57,036 I don't know about you, but I just love 1055 00:41:57,166 --> 00:41:59,734 seeing women give each other their flowers. 1056 00:41:59,865 --> 00:42:01,606 I mean, you get a rose, you get a rose, you -- 1057 00:42:01,736 --> 00:42:02,694 everybody gets a rose! 1058 00:42:02,824 --> 00:42:04,783 I'm with you, Jen. 1059 00:42:04,913 --> 00:42:07,437 This has been a motivating and inspiring conversation. 1060 00:42:07,568 --> 00:42:09,439 Until next time, I am Yvonne Orji, 1061 00:42:09,570 --> 00:42:12,921 and this is "Off Script with The Hollywood Reporter." 1062 00:42:13,052 --> 00:42:18,753 ♪