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The new docuseries reveals
explosive allegations
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behind the scenes
at Nickelodeon.
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Some really
disturbing allegations.
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Now in this new documentary...
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It hits you immediately
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how inappropriate
some of this content was.
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[Soledad O'Brien] Quiet on Set
The Dark Side of Kids TV
shined a spotlight
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on the toxic
and dangerous culture
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behind some of the most
iconic children's shows
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of the late 90s
and early 2000s.
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[Jenny Kilgen]
My lawyer filed complaints.
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Gender discrimination,
hostile work environment.
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[Scaachi Koul]
Actual pedophiles on set.
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There are all these setups
that reference porn.
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[Alexa Nikolas]
Once I saw it again
as an adult,
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it was like, oh, oh. Oh.
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[Drake Bell]
I was just trapped.
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I had no way out.
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[O'Brien] And the series
brought to light
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Hollywood's own
shocking involvement.
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[Kate Taylor]
These letters show
how strong the support was
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for a convicted
sexual predator,
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with people
with industry connections.
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It gets me so mad
I get so emotional about it.
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Protect your kids.
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[O'Brien]
The series has gone viral,
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launching
a thousand conversations,
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provoking shock, outrage...
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This creep was behind
that [bleep]
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[O'Brien] ...and heartbreak.
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So much of this country's
entertainment industry
is built on harming children.
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As long as
those checks come in,
that's what mattered to y'all.
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What I do want to talk about
is never letting this stuff
happen again.
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[O'Brien] In this episode,
we'll talk to Drake Bell
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for the first time
since the series premiered,
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I'm curious why you decided
to participate
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after all these years
of not talking about it.
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We'll air never-before-seen
footage from the series,
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as well as new insights
from those closest
to the story.
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So what brought you
back together?
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[Tracey Brown]
The documentary.
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It was a light bulb moment.
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[O'Brien] And hear from
a cast member of All That
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who will speak out
for the first time.
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Join us as we dig deeper
and break the silence
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on the disturbing world
of kids entertainment.
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Thank you so much
for joining us.
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I'm Soledad O'Brien.
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In this special episode
of Quiet On Set,
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we'll bring you new insights
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from those closest
to the story
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starting with
Drake Bell himself.
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In the days
since Drake came forward
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as the John Doe victim
in the 2003
child sex abuse case
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against his dialogue coach
Brian Peck,
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the reaction has been swift.
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Both an outpouring
of support and horror
that this could have happened
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under the watchful eye
of so many adults.
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[Bell] I didn't feel like
anyone knew anything.
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I was under the impression
that this was just
a big, giant secret.
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I just hoped and prayed
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that one day
it would just stop.
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I often look back at that time
and wonder
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how in the world I survived.
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-[O'Brien] Drake, welcome.
-Thank you.
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So I'm curious why you decided
to participate after...
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After all these years
of not talking about it.
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The-- The choice
to participate
was a tough one.
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It was a really hard
decision to make
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because I'd been
approached before
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and wasn't ready
and said no, and...
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But when I--
When the people from the doc
reached out to me,
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and I was speaking
with-- With Emma,
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she just made me
feel really comfortable
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and she took her time
and was really sensitive.
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I was able to feel like
I could open up to her
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and... I don't know.
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I just felt
maybe this is the time--
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This is the time
to tell my story.
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[O'Brien] In the child
sex abuse case
against Brian Peck,
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you described the moment
you walk into the courtroom
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and you see it packed
with many well-known faces.
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But they're not there for you.
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[Bell] On the day
of sentencing for Brian,
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I get to the courthouse.
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It was the most unbelievable
thing I'd ever seen.
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His entire side
of the courtroom... was full.
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There were definitely
some recognizable faces
on that side of the room.
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And my side was...
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Me, my mom and my brother.
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Brian had been convicted.
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But getting
all of this support
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from a lot of people
in the industry and...
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Yeah, I was pretty shocked.
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We wanted to understand
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who in Hollywood
was supporting Brian
through this.
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So we petitioned the court
to unseal the letters
of support in this case.
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[O'Brien] Will Friedle
and Rider Strong
from Boy Meets World
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wrote letters
in support of Brian Peck.
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Then they recently spoke
about it on their podcast.
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[Will Friedle speaking]
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Hearing from Will
and hearing from Ryder,
does it...
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Does it change at all
how you think about
that day now?
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No.
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I worked-- I worked with Will
on Spider-Man
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and there was
a lot of opportunity to...
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Apologize or talk about it
and never did.
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But also, I mean, it's a very
difficult subject to bring up,
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I mean, especially
in a work environment.
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So... And that's the thing
that's hard about this
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is because everybody
deals with their trauma
in different ways.
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Everybody comes to
different conclusions
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at different times
in their lives
and realizations,
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and I mean,
I really appreciate
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that they've... You know,
their perspective now.
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But I mean, that day
is so ingrained in my mind,
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and there's so many people
who I mean, I haven't...
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Nobody's reached out to me.
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-Nobody's...
-No one else?
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-[Bell] I mean--
-No one at all?
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Personally? Personally, no,
not one person who's written
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one of those letters
has reached out to me.
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The thing I have found,
really shocking, I guess,
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is the idea that this wasn't
a bigger scandal 21 years ago.
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That... boggles my mind.
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I mean, three or four months
prior to his arrest,
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was the Jason Handy case.
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gets arrested and...
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-Nothing.
-[Bell] No articles.
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I mean,
there's nothing about it.
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I mean, I think
there was something
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on the nightly news
about the arrest.
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But for those two cases
to happen so closely together
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and at the same network
on the same show?
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It allowed him to go
to work on other shows,
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go work on other kid's shows
on other kids networks.
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As a registered sex offender.
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Exactly! Exactly!
As a registered sex offender,
going and working on--
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And it was just unbelievable,
and it just...
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I think that there being
no media coverage
played a huge part in that.
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I was surprised
in the documentary
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about Dan Schneider's
support of you.
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How does that square with
what basically
everybody else said
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about their treatment by Dan?
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I mean, it was very hard
to watch.
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It was really hard to watch
because I can only speak
from my experience
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and I can't take away
from anyone else's experience.
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You know, I can just say that
during this time with Brian,
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Dan was really
the only one from the network
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that even made an effort
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to... help me
and make sure I was okay.
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Let's pause there.
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But we have so much more
to talk about.
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We'll be right back.
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He was so good
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Brian, he was so calculated.
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He knew exactly what to say,
how to say it, what to do.
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Why did you want
to come forward?
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I think the only way
we can change
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is to really
evaluate the past,
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and I have some perspective
to share on that.
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We're back with Drake Bell
continuing to share his story.
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So, Drake, you mentioned that
you've been processing
and dealing with your trauma.
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Can you talk about
how your...
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How you're dealing with it?
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And when you look at
other actors--
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I mean Amanda Bynes,
who's in the doc as well.
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I mean, when you see her story
and her struggle...
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Is that-- Do you look
and think, you know,
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this is also part
of what happens
when you're a child actor?
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Well, I mean, with Amanda
and so many others,
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I mean, we've lost so many
that aren't here anymore.
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And it's just--
I've watched tragedy over--
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After tragedy after tragedy
in this business and...
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And it's just heartbreaking.
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I went many years not wanting
to even talk about it at all.
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Not in therapy,
not with my friends,
not with my family.
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I-- I kind of started--
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There was a lot of things
happening in my personal life
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that were really difficult,
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and I started to
just kind of...
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I guess spiral
is the best way to put it.
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And so when I went to rehab,
I... It was--
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It wasn't just 45 min
with your doctor twice a week.
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It was from 8:00 o'clock
in the morning
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until 8:00 o'clock at night.
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Uh, 10:00 o'clock at night.
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Therapy all day.
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Trauma therapy, group therapy,
one on one, all of this stuff.
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And I mean-- And I think
a lot of the help
was being in groups
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where you're hearing
other people's stories
and going,
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"Oh my gosh, I'm not alone."
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And it was
really helpful to...
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Start facing
this stuff head on.
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Obviously, things like DUIs
and choices that I've made
in my life,
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they are decisions
I made on my own.
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So I do have to
take accountability
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and responsibility
for those things.
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But It's really
eye opening to...
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Get down to maybe
what's the root cause,
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you know,
where is this coming from.
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You talk a lot in the doc
about your mom
and your dad as well.
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How is your relationship
with them now
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and have things changed
since the doc came out?
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No, my dad's very emotional.
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But I mean, we have a...
A fantastic relationship,
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and it's so--
I'm so grateful for that
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because like--
Like it shows in the doc,
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we went through
many years of separation,
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and it was really hard
on both of us,
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and right now
we have an amazing,
amazing relationship,
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and my mom and I have
an incredible relationship.
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I do feel
there's a lot of people
kind of after the doc...
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Going after my mom a bit.
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But if you were in
that situation at that time,
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he was so good
at what he was doing.
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Brian, he was so calculated.
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He knew exactly what to say,
how to say it, what to do,
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the image
to portray, everything.
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I mean,
I completely understand
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how he just... pulled the wool
over everyone's eyes.
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It's... It's tragic.
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I want to ask you a little bit
about your former co-star Josh
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because people were...
Were very hard on him
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for what they perceived
to be his reaction
to your story.
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Yeah, I just...
I know what it's like to have,
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you know, the internet
attack you for...
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I mean, really nothing.
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He had reached out to me,
and we-- We've been talking.
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This is a really difficult
thing to process.
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But at the end of the day,
you know,
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we have such
a close connection
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and this unique bond,
that's so rare
in this industry that...
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I don't know.
It's really special,
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and he's a really
great person.
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You have obviously
been dealing with this trauma
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for-- For more than
two decades,
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and I thought
maybe we would show
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a never-before-seen clip
from your interview
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about one of the ways that
you've been dealing with this.
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Can we play that?
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A lot of times my emotions
and my inner thoughts and...
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What I--
What I'd been through would...
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Would creep up
and get in the way.
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But luckily,
I was writing songs
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and expressed
what I was feeling
through music.
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I think that was my therapy,
really, at that time.
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I see your guitar
right behind you.
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[laughing] So... Clearly.
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Tell me a little bit
about how music
has been helping you
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and has always, you know,
been a platform for you.
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Music's like my diary
or my journal.
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I... I've always written
about my life
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and after I did this doc,
I started just writing
even more and more and more
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and stuff started pouring out.
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And that's actually
when I started--
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When I wrote the new song
I just put out
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and the video
that addresses the abuse
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and other things
that I've gone through
in my life and the rehab,
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and it's kind of
the most vulnerable,
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honest, self-reflective stuff
that I've written ever.
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♪ I kind of relate ♪
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♪ I found beauty in pain ♪
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♪ I'm running away ♪
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♪ From the abuse
And all the shame ♪
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♪ Cause no one comes
To my house anymore ♪
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♪ No one knocks on my door ♪
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Well, Drake,
thanks for talking with us.
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I really appreciate it.
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I know...
Maybe you don't know,
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but so many people really need
to hear what you had to say.
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You talk a lot
about being alone,
being isolated,
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and so I think
what you're doing
is really important.
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Thank you.
Thank you for having me.
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Coming up next,
we're joined in the studio
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by two contributors
from Quiet On Set
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reunited to talk about
their experience
since the premiere.
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Have you guys spoken
to Dan since?
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You know, recently
in the last weeks?
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[sighs] Yeah,
I got a phone call.
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Here with me now
are a couple of faces
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you'll recognize
from the series.
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Giovonnie Samuels
and Bryan Hearne,
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two cast members
who spent multiple seasons
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on All That
in the early 2000s.
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Welcome to you both.
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So how has it been?
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I mean, have you been
surprised by the fallout
from the documentary?
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-Yeah.
-Absolutely.
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[both laugh]
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Both of us had to kind of
take a step back
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from social media and whatnot
because it's been...
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The only way we can
describe it is overwhelming.
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In a good way? I mean support?
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-Absolutely.
-Yeah.
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-There's been a lot--
-[Giovonnie Samuels]
And on the flip side is...
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People were like,
"Yo, my childhood
is now traumatized by this."
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-Yeah.
-"And I feel grieved that
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-that you guys
went through this...
-Yeah.
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...but I also feel
trauma too."
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And I'm like, I don't want
you guys to feel that way.
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Not all of it was terrible.
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There are still some
beautiful pieces left in it.
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You know, we're okay.
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Yeah, I think the--
The main... point
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of us participating
in this documentary
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was to make sure that
this doesn't continue.
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Your former boss,
Dan Schneider, posted
a video defending himself.
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He also apologized
for his actions.
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I am so sorry to any kid
who ever had to do
a dare or anything
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that they didn't want to do
or weren't comfortable doing.
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We went out of our way
to make sure they were safe
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and that everything
was done properly.
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But if a kid was scared
and didn't want to do it,
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-kids shouldn't have to do it.
-[man] Yeah.
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-Period. The end.
-[man] Right.
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And if I had known
at the time...
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I would-- I would have
changed it on the spot.
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"If he had known at the time,
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-he would have changed it
on the spot."
-[both snicker]
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-Why are you both laughing?
-[Hearne laughs]
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The thing about his interview
as a whole is, um,
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-I just thought--
I thought it was funny.
-[Samuels chuckles]
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-What'd you think
was funny about it?
-[Hearne] If I'm--
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If I could be candid,
Dan was an actor
before all of this.
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And so I think
that he brushed off some chops
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and gave us
a nice performance.
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Where was
all of this apologizing
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when Jeanette McCurdy's
book came out?
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[Samuels] Or when
Angelique Bates
had said something?
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-[Hearne] Yeah, very publicly.
-[Samuels] Very publicly.
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[Hearne]
And I just feel that...
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What's an apology
without accountability?
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Realistically,
if you take the--
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The inappropriate jokes away,
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do you have a show... anymore?
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Take all the foot jokes.
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Take all the face shots,
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all the--
All of that inappropriateness.
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Is it just commercials then?
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In this interview,
Dan also said this.
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All these jokes
that you are speaking of...
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That the show covered
over the past two nights...
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Every one of those jokes
was written
for a kid audience
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because kids thought
they were funny
and only funny.
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Okay?
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Now we have some adults
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looking back at them
20 years later
through their lens,
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and they're looking at them
and they're saying,
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"I don't think
that's appropriate
for a kid's show."
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So back then,
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did you think those jokes
were funny to hear?
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Did you think those jokes
were funny to do?
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No.
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Only because one, we're kids.
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We don't know.
We're a bit naive.
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And when you have a writer
or a showrunner,
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and he's laughing the hardest,
you go along with it.
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-Mmm.
-[Samuels] Because one,
you don't know any better,
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and two... This is your job.
This is your boss.
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So when you were
performing those jokes,
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or even hearing
your colleagues sort of
saying those jokes,
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did it just feel like
this is not really for kids?
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I mean, did you feel that
when you were doing the show?
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-There were jokes
that was going over our heads.
-Completely over our heads.
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I'm 13 years old.
I'm very new to like...
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-Comedy, everything.
-I'm not allowed to watch--
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00:20:02,867 --> 00:20:06,700
-Yeah.
-I'm not allowed to watch
South Park and Family Guy
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and, you know,
things of that nature.
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I'm-- I'm sitting here
just trying--
trying to be funny.
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I'm just trying [chuckles]
to be funny.
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And with us coming in
in the second round
of All That,
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we're looking to him because
he's the creator of this.
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He is the guy
that made so many people big.
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So you're trusting
his judgment.
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He seems to say,
with the lens of now adults
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all these years later
look back and say,
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"Oh,
that looks like it's sexual,
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that looks inappropriate."
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00:20:42,100 --> 00:20:43,734
Is he just utterly wrong?
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It's one of those things.
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The foot stuff was crazy.
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00:20:48,300 --> 00:20:49,433
[chuckles]
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00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,467
I never liked the foot stuff.
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00:20:51,467 --> 00:20:52,867
Never liked the foot stuff.
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00:20:52,867 --> 00:20:54,367
He thought
the foot stuff was funny.
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00:20:54,367 --> 00:20:56,100
-You're like,
"I'm a paid actor."
-I don't get it.
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00:20:56,100 --> 00:20:59,066
-I'm going to execute
on the foot stuff.
-[both] Yeah.
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And then you kind of look
to your left...
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00:21:01,266 --> 00:21:02,567
And everybody in the room,
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00:21:02,567 --> 00:21:04,400
or at least the adults
are laughing,
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00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:05,767
you go along with it.
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00:21:07,100 --> 00:21:11,166
Dan had this to say
about diversity.
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00:21:12,367 --> 00:21:14,200
Diversity has always been
very important
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to me in my shows.
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00:21:15,367 --> 00:21:16,767
If you go back
to the very first
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Nickelodeon show I ever made,
that's very evident,
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00:21:19,700 --> 00:21:21,367
as it is in the second one,
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00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:23,800
and then the first movie
I ever made for Nickelodeon,
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which starred Kenan and Kel,
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00:21:25,467 --> 00:21:27,300
and every show
I did after that
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00:21:27,300 --> 00:21:29,700
had a lead Black actor in it.
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00:21:29,700 --> 00:21:34,567
So you were
the only two Black actors
on all that, right?
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00:21:34,567 --> 00:21:35,567
-Yes.
-Yeah.
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00:21:35,567 --> 00:21:37,233
What do you think
when he says that?
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00:21:39,100 --> 00:21:41,000
Oh, that's the sign here
that's happening.
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00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,367
I don't know if you guys
can hear this, the deep sign.
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00:21:43,367 --> 00:21:44,567
-[Bryan laughing]
-[Giovonnie] Uh...
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It was very evident
from the first day.
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It was just the two of us.
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00:21:52,667 --> 00:21:55,800
I've said this before
on social media, you know,
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00:21:55,800 --> 00:21:59,867
that's usually the first thing
you do in a Black space,
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00:21:59,867 --> 00:22:02,467
or as a Black person,
or a person of color.
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00:22:02,467 --> 00:22:03,867
-Count the Black people.
-Yeah,
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00:22:03,867 --> 00:22:05,834
You count who's in the room,
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00:22:06,467 --> 00:22:08,867
in front
and behind the camera.
419
00:22:08,867 --> 00:22:13,333
-And... there were two.
-Two people.
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00:22:14,467 --> 00:22:16,166
-Four if you include our moms.
-Yeah.
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00:22:16,166 --> 00:22:20,867
My gripe with the way
that question was answered
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00:22:20,867 --> 00:22:27,266
is that the question itself
was posed to him about us.
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00:22:27,266 --> 00:22:29,266
-Right.
-It was about us.
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00:22:29,266 --> 00:22:34,033
He said, "Oh, I jump-started
the careers of Kenan and Kel."
425
00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:37,767
So they talked about
us being overlooked,
426
00:22:37,767 --> 00:22:40,233
and then he overlooked us
in his answer.
427
00:22:42,367 --> 00:22:44,000
[scoffs]
What do you do with that?
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00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:48,567
Did you feel like you were
stereotypes, tokenized roles?
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00:22:48,567 --> 00:22:50,300
[Giovonnie] Mmm-hmm.
430
00:22:50,300 --> 00:22:51,667
Did you feel
like that consistently
431
00:22:51,667 --> 00:22:53,333
-while you were on the show?
-Yes.
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00:22:54,300 --> 00:22:56,166
I was told,
"You're so talented,
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00:22:56,166 --> 00:22:57,400
we don't know
what to do with you.
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00:22:57,400 --> 00:23:01,700
Let's just kinda
stick you anywhere, or..."
435
00:23:01,700 --> 00:23:06,667
-Which was why I came up with
sketches and ideas to help.
-[Bryan] Yeah.
436
00:23:06,667 --> 00:23:09,467
Have you guys spoken
to Dan since?
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00:23:09,467 --> 00:23:11,867
Recently, in the last weeks?
438
00:23:11,867 --> 00:23:13,867
Yeah, I got a phone call.
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00:23:13,867 --> 00:23:14,867
[O'Brien] Oh.
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00:23:14,867 --> 00:23:19,700
He reached out a week before
the documentary aired.
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00:23:19,700 --> 00:23:20,567
[Bryan] Mmm.
442
00:23:20,567 --> 00:23:23,834
He asked if I could give
a quote of support.
443
00:23:26,166 --> 00:23:27,800
He didn't know
that you were in the--
444
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:31,333
-He knew I was in the
documentary for a year.
-He knew.
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00:23:32,100 --> 00:23:34,200
And he was like,
"Oh, I love Gio.
446
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,567
She's great,
she's nice, great.
447
00:23:36,567 --> 00:23:38,367
She could tell my side,"
448
00:23:38,367 --> 00:23:42,266
and I don't know
what you want.
449
00:23:42,266 --> 00:23:44,400
I don't know
what possessed him.
450
00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,200
So he asked you if you would
give a quote of support.
451
00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:48,567
And what did you say?
452
00:23:48,567 --> 00:23:53,500
-He asked because I did come
back to do Henry Danger,
-Mmm-hmm.
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00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:56,767
which was sometime later.
454
00:23:56,767 --> 00:23:58,767
He was like, "You had
a good time on set, right?
455
00:23:58,767 --> 00:23:59,667
Right?"
456
00:23:59,667 --> 00:24:01,367
And you said?
457
00:24:01,367 --> 00:24:03,767
I told him
I was terrified of him.
458
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:06,667
Was he surprised by that?
459
00:24:06,667 --> 00:24:08,166
[Giovonnie] I don't know.
460
00:24:08,166 --> 00:24:10,867
I said, "You had the power
to make people stars."
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00:24:12,300 --> 00:24:15,834
And I was intimidated by you.
462
00:24:16,967 --> 00:24:19,000
I wanted to do a good job.
463
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:19,967
[O'Brien] Hmm.
464
00:24:21,266 --> 00:24:23,100
The children
of the next generation,
465
00:24:23,100 --> 00:24:27,100
if our children should so
decide one day to say,
466
00:24:27,100 --> 00:24:28,767
"Put me in front
of the camera."
467
00:24:28,767 --> 00:24:29,967
Would you say yes?
468
00:24:30,967 --> 00:24:33,867
As dad, today?
469
00:24:33,867 --> 00:24:36,400
With my four-year-old
and my 10-year-old?
470
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:37,767
-No.
-Yeah.
471
00:24:37,767 --> 00:24:39,867
-Absolutely not.
-[O'Brien] Hmm.
472
00:24:39,867 --> 00:24:41,900
We have a lot more
to talk about.
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00:24:41,900 --> 00:24:43,967
Coming up, Bryan's mom,
Tracey Brown, will join us
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to talk about
how Bryan's experience
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00:24:45,767 --> 00:24:49,600
on Dan's sets impacted
her relationship with her son.
476
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,500
In that moment,
I said I've lost him.
477
00:24:52,500 --> 00:24:53,767
[O'Brien] You do right there.
478
00:24:55,567 --> 00:24:56,834
[whispers] I lost him.
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00:24:57,700 --> 00:24:58,967
[sniffles]
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00:25:00,867 --> 00:25:02,500
So Bryan,
in the series, we hear
481
00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:05,567
a really heartbreaking story
of when you're told
482
00:25:05,567 --> 00:25:07,300
-you're not gonna
be asked back.
-Yeah.
483
00:25:07,300 --> 00:25:12,100
And that day clearly had
an impact on the relationship
484
00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:13,567
you had with your mom.
485
00:25:13,567 --> 00:25:14,634
Yeah.
486
00:25:17,467 --> 00:25:19,967
[Tracey] The day
that we were told [sniffles]
487
00:25:22,266 --> 00:25:26,600
In that moment, he grew up and
his body language showed it,
488
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,567
just showed this man
protruding out.
489
00:25:29,567 --> 00:25:33,033
And that's a man that
didn't trust his mom anymore.
490
00:25:33,567 --> 00:25:35,166
It ruined us.
491
00:25:38,166 --> 00:25:39,467
And you can't get that...
492
00:25:39,467 --> 00:25:41,667
like the moment
you can't get back.
493
00:25:44,100 --> 00:25:47,367
Oh, this was one of the most
heartbreaking things to watch.
494
00:25:47,367 --> 00:25:50,300
Joining us now
is Bryan's mom, Tracey.
495
00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,567
-It's nice to talk
to you, Tracey.
-Thank you.
496
00:25:52,567 --> 00:25:56,867
In so many ways,
it feels like Bryan's exit
497
00:25:56,867 --> 00:26:01,166
was really pivotal, clearly,
in your relationship. Um...
498
00:26:01,166 --> 00:26:03,266
It sounds like
you were trying to protect him
499
00:26:03,266 --> 00:26:04,867
and do the right thing
500
00:26:04,867 --> 00:26:07,100
and it came
at a tremendous cost.
501
00:26:07,100 --> 00:26:08,166
Can you explain that?
502
00:26:08,166 --> 00:26:12,000
Yeah, I wasn't looking for
my son to be this great star
503
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,100
and that's my dependency.
504
00:26:14,100 --> 00:26:16,900
My dependency is raising
a healthy child.
505
00:26:16,900 --> 00:26:18,467
I'm a Leo, I don't know
if that makes a difference
506
00:26:18,467 --> 00:26:21,367
to any of you guys,
I'm a lion, right?
507
00:26:21,367 --> 00:26:25,100
I don't mind being in my cave
and licking my nails,
508
00:26:25,100 --> 00:26:26,533
but I have nails.
509
00:26:27,300 --> 00:26:31,467
When you think
when Bryan lost his job
510
00:26:31,467 --> 00:26:35,667
that maybe it was you
that you had brought this
511
00:26:35,667 --> 00:26:38,100
-on him in some way?
-I knew it.
512
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:39,266
[O'Brien] You knew you did?
513
00:26:39,266 --> 00:26:41,500
I absolutely knew it.
514
00:26:41,500 --> 00:26:47,667
When he got the news,
he went to his agents
515
00:26:47,667 --> 00:26:50,367
and they said,
"Bring your mom up here."
516
00:26:52,700 --> 00:26:55,567
And that's when we got
the news and the funny part is
517
00:26:55,567 --> 00:27:00,266
he was just 13,
but he slunched over
518
00:27:00,266 --> 00:27:04,433
and I saw a different soul
come through.
519
00:27:05,867 --> 00:27:09,800
And I said, in that moment
I said, "I've lost him."
520
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:11,233
[O'Brien] You do right there.
521
00:27:13,166 --> 00:27:14,233
[whispers] I lost him.
522
00:27:15,367 --> 00:27:16,433
[sniffles]
523
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:19,734
Did you think
your mom was responsible?
524
00:27:20,567 --> 00:27:23,600
I think that, um,
I'm trying not to cry.
525
00:27:23,600 --> 00:27:25,000
[laughs]
526
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,900
-I've got a whole box of
tissues here for both of you.
-Oh, please, please.
527
00:27:26,900 --> 00:27:28,867
So say the word.
528
00:27:28,867 --> 00:27:30,500
[Bryan] It was like, well,
whose fault is it?
529
00:27:30,500 --> 00:27:32,266
Is it my fault?
530
00:27:32,266 --> 00:27:34,767
Is it... You know,
she's the outspoken one.
531
00:27:34,767 --> 00:27:36,467
[laughs] You know?
532
00:27:36,467 --> 00:27:38,300
And there were times
where I was like,
533
00:27:38,300 --> 00:27:39,367
"Oh,
I'm not gonna say anything
534
00:27:39,367 --> 00:27:40,900
because I don't want her
to burn the place down,
535
00:27:40,900 --> 00:27:41,967
and so I'm not gonna say
anything here,
536
00:27:41,967 --> 00:27:43,266
I'm not gonna say
anything here."
537
00:27:43,266 --> 00:27:44,567
And I would have.
538
00:27:44,567 --> 00:27:46,467
Yeah.
539
00:27:46,467 --> 00:27:48,800
How bad was your relationship?
I mean, obviously at 13--
540
00:27:48,800 --> 00:27:49,667
[Tracey] With my son?
541
00:27:49,667 --> 00:27:51,400
[O'Brien] Yeah,
how bad did it get?
542
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:52,533
[Tracey] It was ruined.
543
00:27:52,533 --> 00:27:56,300
It wasn't, "And for six months
I was really mad at my mom."
544
00:27:56,300 --> 00:27:58,700
-No, it was all of his life.
-All of it.
545
00:27:58,700 --> 00:28:00,900
-Yeah.
-All of... from 13 on.
546
00:28:00,900 --> 00:28:02,066
Yeah.
547
00:28:02,066 --> 00:28:03,266
You had a rift between you.
548
00:28:03,266 --> 00:28:08,300
[Tracey] Yeah,
he didn't trust me anymore,
he was resentful.
549
00:28:08,300 --> 00:28:09,500
He ran away from home.
550
00:28:09,500 --> 00:28:10,500
Yeah.
551
00:28:10,500 --> 00:28:13,266
So what brought you
back together?
552
00:28:13,266 --> 00:28:14,533
-Can I answer that?
-Yeah.
553
00:28:15,900 --> 00:28:17,166
The documentary.
554
00:28:17,166 --> 00:28:18,667
-[Bryan] Hmm.
-How?
555
00:28:19,367 --> 00:28:22,300
It was a light bulb moment
556
00:28:22,300 --> 00:28:26,700
to go back in time
557
00:28:26,700 --> 00:28:32,767
and discover, as a mom,
that moment ruined us.
558
00:28:32,767 --> 00:28:34,667
Hmm.
559
00:28:34,667 --> 00:28:38,700
-[Tracey] I still did not hope
that you and I would talk.
-Hmm.
560
00:28:38,700 --> 00:28:41,834
And then I didn't know he had
already seen the documentary
561
00:28:42,567 --> 00:28:44,900
and Valentine's Day
rolled around
562
00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:46,433
and I sent...
563
00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:56,934
[sniffles]
564
00:28:58,266 --> 00:29:00,100
[whispers]
"Happy Valentine's Day."
565
00:29:01,567 --> 00:29:06,433
And he responded,
"Happy Valentine's Day, mom."
566
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:09,767
[Bryan] So let me push it back
a little bit.
567
00:29:09,767 --> 00:29:13,934
So to be perfectly honest,
watching that scene,
568
00:29:15,266 --> 00:29:17,033
um, brought me to tears.
569
00:29:18,266 --> 00:29:21,600
And first of all, I called
my therapist immediately.
570
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,333
This was not on a therapy day.
571
00:29:24,700 --> 00:29:26,300
[chuckles]
Not on a therapy day.
572
00:29:26,300 --> 00:29:27,433
[Bryan] My day is Tuesday.
573
00:29:27,433 --> 00:29:30,834
I think I watched on a Monday
and was like, "Oh, my God."
574
00:29:31,300 --> 00:29:35,367
This was the spawn.
575
00:29:35,367 --> 00:29:40,567
And we had that conversation,
therapist to patient, client.
576
00:29:40,567 --> 00:29:44,500
And it just,
it changed everything
577
00:29:44,500 --> 00:29:48,467
because I was able
to pinpoint, "Oh, my gosh,
578
00:29:48,467 --> 00:29:49,867
this is where
my resentment started."
579
00:29:49,867 --> 00:29:51,900
Oh, my gosh.
580
00:29:51,900 --> 00:29:57,066
-I can talk to 13, 14 year old
Bryan now and say,
-Right.
581
00:29:57,867 --> 00:29:59,400
"This wasn't your fault.
582
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:01,867
It wasn't her fault.
583
00:30:01,867 --> 00:30:03,433
These people
had it out for y'all."
584
00:30:04,967 --> 00:30:06,033
[O'Brien] Hmm.
585
00:30:08,467 --> 00:30:11,600
So there's a clip,
it's never been seen before
586
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:15,600
of another Black actor who was
featured in the series.
587
00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:16,934
And I want to play that now.
588
00:30:18,266 --> 00:30:20,467
There was a scene
we were doing,
589
00:30:20,467 --> 00:30:21,767
it was called, "The Literals."
590
00:30:21,767 --> 00:30:23,600
And every time
I said, "Spit it out,"
591
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,567
she would spit
what was in her mouth,
592
00:30:25,567 --> 00:30:27,400
whether it was the water
or whatever,
593
00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,000
like directly in my face.
594
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,266
Everybody thought
it was so funny.
595
00:30:30,266 --> 00:30:31,867
[mockingly] Ha-ha-ha.
Everybody's laughing.
596
00:30:31,867 --> 00:30:33,567
Me, I did not find it funny.
597
00:30:33,567 --> 00:30:36,266
The third time
I was like infuriated.
598
00:30:36,266 --> 00:30:39,100
Like I was so mad
that the director
599
00:30:39,100 --> 00:30:41,166
hurried and put me
on the side of the set
600
00:30:41,166 --> 00:30:42,533
and was like, "Listen, Raquel,
601
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:47,467
breathe in, breathe out.
602
00:30:48,467 --> 00:30:50,767
She's the star of the show."
603
00:30:50,767 --> 00:30:52,934
He said, "Don't make
too much of a problem.
604
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:57,166
I'm gonna ask her
not to spit in your face,
605
00:30:57,967 --> 00:31:01,166
but you have
to keep your cool."
606
00:31:03,567 --> 00:31:04,767
That's racist.
607
00:31:07,300 --> 00:31:08,266
Period.
608
00:31:09,367 --> 00:31:11,266
Wow.
609
00:31:11,266 --> 00:31:13,400
Why is that so disturbing
to you, Bryan?
610
00:31:13,400 --> 00:31:15,367
I obviously did not know
that story.
611
00:31:15,367 --> 00:31:17,867
I've only had one solid
conversation with Raquel,
612
00:31:17,867 --> 00:31:20,600
but oh, my God,
that hit me really hard.
613
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:21,634
She's...
614
00:31:22,867 --> 00:31:26,266
To just be told
you don't matter,
615
00:31:26,266 --> 00:31:28,900
in that moment,
you're being spit on.
616
00:31:28,900 --> 00:31:30,767
And they say, this person
matters more than you.
617
00:31:30,767 --> 00:31:32,367
-[Tracey] 'Cause she's a star.
-Take it.
618
00:31:32,367 --> 00:31:33,467
[Tracey] Yeah.
619
00:31:33,467 --> 00:31:37,367
And there's a cultural
difference too, right?
620
00:31:37,367 --> 00:31:41,734
-We are culturally trained
to take it.
-[Bryan] Hmm.
621
00:31:42,900 --> 00:31:45,567
-They are not.
-Hmm.
622
00:31:45,567 --> 00:31:49,567
And imagine... so imagine
that little girl saying,
623
00:31:49,567 --> 00:31:51,000
"I don't wanna do that,"
right?
624
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:52,100
"I don't wanna do this."
625
00:31:52,100 --> 00:31:53,266
What would happen?
626
00:31:53,266 --> 00:31:56,767
So then what's your advice
627
00:31:56,767 --> 00:32:00,533
for young Black actors now?
628
00:32:01,767 --> 00:32:03,500
You know, it's hard
because the one thing
629
00:32:03,500 --> 00:32:05,467
I would say
is that I was disappointed
630
00:32:05,467 --> 00:32:07,834
there wasn't another Black boy
on set.
631
00:32:08,767 --> 00:32:09,967
That's important.
632
00:32:09,967 --> 00:32:14,000
-The camaraderie is important,
let alone the likeness.
-Yeah.
633
00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:16,567
And it's not even just Black,
it's indigenous.
634
00:32:16,567 --> 00:32:18,166
It's Hispanic.
635
00:32:18,166 --> 00:32:20,867
You can't just have the one
representing the whole world.
636
00:32:20,867 --> 00:32:21,867
It doesn't make sense to me.
637
00:32:21,867 --> 00:32:23,266
That was pressure.
638
00:32:23,266 --> 00:32:24,400
-It's pressure.
-For Gio and I.
639
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:27,166
Even having the privilege--
640
00:32:27,166 --> 00:32:29,166
I mean to have one Black girl
and one Black boy.
641
00:32:29,166 --> 00:32:30,300
That was good.
642
00:32:30,300 --> 00:32:32,066
For them to think that
that was okay too.
643
00:32:32,066 --> 00:32:33,066
-It's not.
-Yeah.
644
00:32:33,066 --> 00:32:35,400
-The pressure
for each of us...
-Yes.
645
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,867
...to represent was very hard.
646
00:32:37,867 --> 00:32:40,867
So then what would you tell
a young Black actor,
647
00:32:40,867 --> 00:32:42,266
"Don't do it?"
648
00:32:42,266 --> 00:32:43,567
-What would you say?
-[Tracey] Today?
649
00:32:43,567 --> 00:32:45,367
What advice
would you give them today?
650
00:32:45,367 --> 00:32:46,567
-Today?
-Mmm-hmm.
651
00:32:46,567 --> 00:32:53,166
-Do it, but if you have
to walk away, do that.
-Hmm.
652
00:32:53,166 --> 00:32:56,200
-And I would say that
to the moms and the dads.
-Yeah, yeah.
653
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:58,400
-Pull your kid out.
-Yeah.
654
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,467
Tracey, thank you
for talking with me.
655
00:33:00,467 --> 00:33:01,767
-I appreciate it,
Bryan, you as well.
-Thank you.
656
00:33:01,767 --> 00:33:03,567
-Oh, no problem at all.
-Absolutely.
657
00:33:03,567 --> 00:33:05,900
So in our final segment,
we meet a fellow,
658
00:33:05,900 --> 00:33:08,967
All That cast member
who's coming forward publicly
659
00:33:08,967 --> 00:33:10,266
for the first time.
660
00:33:10,266 --> 00:33:13,967
There were certainly
some passes, you know.
661
00:33:13,967 --> 00:33:16,433
-That he made on you.
-Yeah.
662
00:33:18,867 --> 00:33:20,100
Joining us now
for an exclusive interview
663
00:33:20,100 --> 00:33:22,967
is an actor from All That
who's coming forward
664
00:33:22,967 --> 00:33:24,100
for the first time.
665
00:33:24,100 --> 00:33:25,967
Shane Lyons, thank you
for being here today.
666
00:33:25,967 --> 00:33:27,100
-Thanks for having me.
-You bet.
667
00:33:27,100 --> 00:33:29,467
So what was it like
for you on the set?
668
00:33:29,467 --> 00:33:30,300
[Shane] It was pretty dynamic.
669
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:33,700
And for someone
who always wanted to be
670
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:36,266
a funny guy on television,
you know,
671
00:33:36,266 --> 00:33:38,667
I wouldn't say
it was a dream come true,
672
00:33:38,667 --> 00:33:41,467
but it seemed like
a really great stepping stone.
673
00:33:41,467 --> 00:33:43,567
I always wanted to be
like Chris Farley
674
00:33:43,567 --> 00:33:45,500
and be on Saturday Night Live.
675
00:33:45,500 --> 00:33:48,166
So this felt like, "Okay,
I'm gonna be doing that
676
00:33:48,166 --> 00:33:50,266
in my future, and this is
a great place to start."
677
00:33:50,266 --> 00:33:52,967
And then was there a point
where that shifted?
678
00:33:53,500 --> 00:33:56,000
Yeah, they just fired me.
679
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,700
And I never learned why.
680
00:33:57,700 --> 00:34:02,166
I was 16 and my contract
wasn't picked up.
681
00:34:02,166 --> 00:34:04,800
I think I'm sort of
a unique case
and really lucky,
682
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:06,166
in that my parents
were chefs.
683
00:34:06,166 --> 00:34:07,900
I knew that no matter what,
684
00:34:07,900 --> 00:34:09,500
I can kind of follow
in my mom's footsteps--
685
00:34:09,500 --> 00:34:11,266
A lot of young actors
don't have that.
686
00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:13,367
Their dream is to do this show
and then this show
687
00:34:13,367 --> 00:34:14,567
and then bigger and bigger.
688
00:34:14,567 --> 00:34:16,400
Right, and we're setting them
up for failure.
689
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:17,867
We acknowledge that,
"Oh, it's really hard
690
00:34:17,867 --> 00:34:20,100
to go from a child actor
into an adult actor."
691
00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:23,000
Yes, okay,
but what are we doing
in the process
692
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,567
of a young actor who's on set?
693
00:34:25,567 --> 00:34:29,000
What sort of
continuing education
are we providing them?
694
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:31,667
Why did you wanna
come forward?
695
00:34:31,667 --> 00:34:34,166
I think the only way
we can change
696
00:34:34,166 --> 00:34:36,266
is to really evaluate
the past.
697
00:34:36,266 --> 00:34:38,800
And I have some perspective
to share on that
698
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,867
and I felt
like it was important.
699
00:34:40,867 --> 00:34:42,667
You were on the set
with Brian Peck.
700
00:34:42,667 --> 00:34:44,166
I was on the set
with Brian Peck, yeah.
701
00:34:44,166 --> 00:34:47,066
[O'Brien] Was he as charming
as people would describe him?
702
00:34:47,066 --> 00:34:50,000
-I mean--
-[Shane] 100%, 100%.
703
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:54,266
And we were enamored with,
at least me personally,
704
00:34:54,266 --> 00:34:57,266
that there is an adult
who's also a cast member
705
00:34:57,266 --> 00:34:58,667
who is someone that we knew
706
00:34:58,667 --> 00:35:01,500
we could kind of
run things by,
707
00:35:01,500 --> 00:35:02,867
work with, improvise with.
708
00:35:02,867 --> 00:35:05,000
It was very helpful
in that context.
709
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,166
Since you knew Brian Peck,
710
00:35:07,166 --> 00:35:09,867
-when you heard Drake's story,
-Hmm.
711
00:35:09,867 --> 00:35:10,967
what did you think?
712
00:35:12,500 --> 00:35:15,300
I think
it was very brave of him
713
00:35:15,300 --> 00:35:17,767
to go on national television
and say it.
714
00:35:17,767 --> 00:35:20,667
And the specificity
of what Brian did
715
00:35:20,667 --> 00:35:23,000
was something nobody knew.
716
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,567
Uh, and it's absolutely
gut-wrenching.
717
00:35:27,467 --> 00:35:31,233
That poor kid, now man,
it's gut-wrenching.
718
00:35:33,367 --> 00:35:37,900
And I feel very blessed
and lucky
719
00:35:37,900 --> 00:35:40,333
that nothing like that
happened to me.
720
00:35:43,467 --> 00:35:47,066
There were certainly
some passes, you know?
721
00:35:47,066 --> 00:35:49,200
-That he made on you.
-Yeah.
722
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:52,700
Did you realize at the time
that they were passes?
723
00:35:52,700 --> 00:35:55,100
No, when he asked me if I knew
what blue balls was,
724
00:35:55,100 --> 00:35:56,333
I thought
they were racquetballs.
725
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,000
What did he say?
726
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:00,967
Some conversation was
happening in the green room
727
00:36:00,967 --> 00:36:03,700
and we get called to set
and Brian follows behind me
728
00:36:03,700 --> 00:36:05,600
and I'm kind of alone
in the green room set
729
00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:07,367
and he sits next to me
and goes,
730
00:36:07,367 --> 00:36:08,600
because previously
in the conversation
731
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:10,667
they were talking
about blue balls.
732
00:36:10,667 --> 00:36:12,266
And I just didn't know
what they were.
733
00:36:12,266 --> 00:36:14,567
And he goes, "Well, we know
what blue balls are,
right, Shane?"
734
00:36:14,567 --> 00:36:16,567
And I said,
"Yeah, like racquetballs."
735
00:36:18,867 --> 00:36:21,967
Right, I'm a kid, 13, 14.
736
00:36:23,500 --> 00:36:25,166
You know,
and as I think back now,
737
00:36:25,166 --> 00:36:28,100
as an adult, as a 36 year old,
738
00:36:28,100 --> 00:36:29,767
and I go, would I ever have
a conversation
739
00:36:29,767 --> 00:36:32,600
with a 13 year old boy
like he had with me?
740
00:36:32,600 --> 00:36:35,300
No, it makes
absolutely zero sense
741
00:36:35,300 --> 00:36:37,867
for a 13 year old girl
or 13 year old anybody.
742
00:36:37,867 --> 00:36:39,900
They're kids,
why are you talking like that?
743
00:36:39,900 --> 00:36:42,900
What would a protection
for kids on the set,
744
00:36:42,900 --> 00:36:45,467
since you were on the set,
that makes sense,
745
00:36:45,467 --> 00:36:47,600
that's doable,
that's enforceable,
746
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:49,066
that could work,
what does it look like?
747
00:36:49,066 --> 00:36:51,266
So, updating the law
first and foremost,
748
00:36:51,266 --> 00:36:57,000
so that no individual who is
a convicted child molester
749
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,100
can ever get on
a Hollywood set again.
750
00:37:00,100 --> 00:37:02,567
And currently there's
a loophole in the law
751
00:37:02,567 --> 00:37:04,800
that as long as there's
a guardian or a parent
752
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,800
omnipresent on the set,
they don't have to hire people
753
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:09,367
who go through
a background check.
754
00:37:09,367 --> 00:37:11,200
And I think more broadly,
755
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,767
when you have
a cult of personality
756
00:37:12,767 --> 00:37:14,667
in any work environment,
757
00:37:14,667 --> 00:37:18,367
inevitably it's ripe
for toxicity.
758
00:37:18,367 --> 00:37:22,166
We get into their sphere
and their orbit,
759
00:37:22,166 --> 00:37:24,433
and no one wants to disrupt
what's happening,
760
00:37:24,900 --> 00:37:26,166
above or below.
761
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,467
Dan said he had many,
many layers above him.
762
00:37:31,467 --> 00:37:33,400
He had a boss
and his boss had a boss
763
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:34,667
and his boss had a boss.
764
00:37:34,667 --> 00:37:38,767
Well, it sounds like the
farmer that blames the tractor
765
00:37:38,767 --> 00:37:43,266
for the poor harvest,
it's like, "Not me, man."
766
00:37:43,266 --> 00:37:46,467
You shirk responsibility,
it's pretty simple.
767
00:37:46,467 --> 00:37:48,700
When you're not at a point
in your life
768
00:37:48,700 --> 00:37:51,066
to take ownership
of the mistakes you made,
769
00:37:51,066 --> 00:37:52,567
um, the first thing to do
770
00:37:52,567 --> 00:37:54,567
is to shift the blame
to someone else.
771
00:37:54,567 --> 00:37:59,567
I think the lessons that
hopefully the perpetrators
772
00:37:59,567 --> 00:38:02,266
highlighted in this film
can learn,
773
00:38:02,266 --> 00:38:03,667
because that's ultimately
what needs to happen
774
00:38:03,667 --> 00:38:05,767
is them learning and
everyone else learning too.
775
00:38:05,767 --> 00:38:08,300
If they can't do that,
then there's no chance
776
00:38:08,300 --> 00:38:11,000
of them actually growing
or changing or evolving.
777
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,467
It must feel good to have
all your voices elevated
778
00:38:14,467 --> 00:38:16,000
in this particular project,
779
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:18,700
and I would love
to bring out your co-stars.
780
00:38:18,700 --> 00:38:20,266
Giovonnie, why don't I put you
here in the middle?
781
00:38:20,266 --> 00:38:22,367
And Bryan, welcome back here.
782
00:38:23,100 --> 00:38:24,033
Hi.
783
00:38:24,033 --> 00:38:25,800
[O'Brien] It's nice to have
you guys together.
784
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:26,967
[all laugh]
785
00:38:26,967 --> 00:38:29,767
-I go for the fist
and he gives the hand.
-Knuckle sandwich.
786
00:38:29,767 --> 00:38:31,700
Knuckle sandwich, all right.
787
00:38:31,700 --> 00:38:34,800
[O'Brien] You did
your interviews individually.
788
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:37,500
-You weren't in
a big group together.
-No.
789
00:38:37,500 --> 00:38:40,266
So this has been a time
for you guys to kind of like,
790
00:38:40,266 --> 00:38:42,333
-do a little reunion.
-[Giovonnie] Yeah.
791
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,166
These are the people
I grew up with.
792
00:38:45,166 --> 00:38:46,367
These are my brothers.
793
00:38:46,367 --> 00:38:49,266
We have this special
connection with each other,
794
00:38:49,266 --> 00:38:52,767
and even if we don't see
each other every day,
795
00:38:52,767 --> 00:38:55,467
it's like we pick up
where we left off.
796
00:38:55,467 --> 00:38:58,800
You know, as soon as I saw
Shane, I was like,
797
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:01,900
-my Papa Bear's back.
-I'm Papa Bear.
798
00:39:01,900 --> 00:39:04,367
Yes, like as soon as
I saw Bryan,
799
00:39:04,367 --> 00:39:08,467
-I was like my little bro,
like no time has passed.
-[Bryan] Yeah.
800
00:39:08,467 --> 00:39:13,000
And it's just disheartening
801
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,667
-that it had to be this
-Hmm.
802
00:39:15,667 --> 00:39:18,100
that brought us
back together again.
803
00:39:18,100 --> 00:39:20,767
Have you all been
just surprised
804
00:39:20,767 --> 00:39:24,600
at the impact
of this documentary?
805
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,900
Yes, I didn't know
what to expect.
806
00:39:27,900 --> 00:39:31,800
I had high hopes,
but I wanna say that
807
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:38,066
I appreciate Emma and Mary
so much for being real people.
808
00:39:38,066 --> 00:39:39,033
[Shane] Hmm.
809
00:39:39,033 --> 00:39:41,367
I've said before,
these people approached us,
810
00:39:41,367 --> 00:39:43,667
we didn't know who they were,
so we were apprehensive.
811
00:39:43,667 --> 00:39:46,367
And we definitely had
our guard up, for sure.
812
00:39:46,367 --> 00:39:50,100
But once we realized,
yo, these people
813
00:39:50,100 --> 00:39:53,066
care about the people,
they care about the story,
814
00:39:53,066 --> 00:39:57,266
-and they wanna get
the truth out,
-The truth out.
815
00:39:57,266 --> 00:39:59,700
or you can visit online.rainn,
R-A-I-N-N.org.
816
00:39:59,700 --> 00:40:02,767
How about for you, Shane?
Have you been surprised?
817
00:40:02,767 --> 00:40:05,467
I think when something
that's potentially explosive
818
00:40:05,467 --> 00:40:07,367
always comes out,
you sort of have this like...
819
00:40:07,367 --> 00:40:08,367
[holds breath]
820
00:40:08,367 --> 00:40:09,667
...moment of hold your breath,
821
00:40:09,667 --> 00:40:12,100
is it what's gonna
really happen?
822
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:16,500
And I am hoping
that the impact sustains,
823
00:40:16,500 --> 00:40:19,400
and it's not just a flash
in the pan of the interest,
824
00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:23,367
but there's real change
that needs to occur.
825
00:40:23,367 --> 00:40:27,100
And I'm hoping this is a first
stepping stone for that.
826
00:40:27,100 --> 00:40:29,467
I really want
to thank you guys
827
00:40:29,467 --> 00:40:31,467
for being part
of this conversation,
828
00:40:31,467 --> 00:40:33,467
really all the guests
for being part
of this conversation.
829
00:40:33,467 --> 00:40:36,500
You are truly the heroes
of this story,
830
00:40:36,500 --> 00:40:38,600
and it requires
a lot of bravery
831
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,066
to come forward
and tell your story.
832
00:40:40,066 --> 00:40:42,166
And when you don't know,
you know,
833
00:40:42,166 --> 00:40:44,200
what the impact is gonna be,
what the fallout's gonna be,
834
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:46,500
so you should know
you're really having
835
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:49,166
a hugely positive impact
836
00:40:49,166 --> 00:40:50,500
on people
who've been watching.
837
00:40:50,500 --> 00:40:52,567
It's a big deal,
and we appreciate it.
838
00:40:53,700 --> 00:40:55,667
And in case you haven't had
a chance to watch,
839
00:40:55,667 --> 00:40:59,367
all four episodes are
currently streaming on Max.
840
00:40:59,367 --> 00:41:00,667
Thank you for joining us.
841
00:41:01,867 --> 00:41:03,467
If you or someone you know
has been affected
842
00:41:03,467 --> 00:41:06,667
by sexual abuse,
help is available 24-7
843
00:41:06,667 --> 00:41:09,367
through the National
Sexual Assault Hotline.
844
00:41:09,367 --> 00:41:12,567
You can call 800-656-HOPE,
845
00:41:12,567 --> 00:41:18,266
or you can visit online.rainn,
R-A-I-N-N.org.