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And all the way now
from Navan
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and the banks of the Boyne,
Dr. Pierce Brendan Brosman.
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Of course I wear suede
on a bloody hot day
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and the sun's coming down.
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Say, tuck your shirt,
good Lord.
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Lick your lips,
sit up straight.
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It was a great
introduction for Bond.
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When I was on the tour
with the Bond movie,
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every time
I had introduced the film,
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I would go to the back
of the theater just to watch.
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Wayne Michaels
was the stuntman.
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Wayne Michaels
jumped off that dam,
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spent two weeks there
going up on the dam every day,
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and the conditions were
not right.
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The conditions
were not right.
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Then one day he stood up
on the dam
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and the conditions were right
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and he just stood there.
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Took the swallow dive pose,
looked up,
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and just as
he was about to dive off,
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the Italian crane driver
who was hoisting him
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back up on the bungee
just went...
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You have to keep that dive.
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You have to keep
the horizon line all the way.
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As soon as your head turns,
you're inverted.
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That's it. Snap.
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So he did it twice.
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Did it twice.
Quite extraordinary.
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It was a great opening
for the movie.
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It was a great opening
for my career as James Bond.
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I think "GoldenEye"
is one of the best.
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You know what I mean?
It's iconic.
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PIERCE: Of course,
the irony of an Irishman
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playing James Bond
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didn't escape
the funny bone of my life.
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I just accepted it and
I think people accepted it.
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I don't think there was
any heavy-handed
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criticism or anything like
that to my playing James Bond...
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as an Irishman.
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Hmm.
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Quite extraordinary time
in life.
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Quite extraordinary.
Powerful.
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The feeling coming at you
like a tsunami was just...
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I remember saying to Keely,
the day I got the job.
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The phone rang and it was
Fred Specktor, my agent,
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and Kevin Huvane,
and they said, "It's yours.
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It's all yours."
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I remember putting the phone
down and saying to Keeley,
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"Hold on to your hat.
This is going to be...
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It's going to be
one wild ride."
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Ten years later, it was.
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My name is Pierce Brosnan,
and we're at The Surfrider
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here in Malibu.
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Malibu's been home forever.
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I dropped in here in '82
and I came to the seaside.
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I was in the Hollywood Hills
to start with, and
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that kind of felt like a home,
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but it was
a little distant and...
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The ocean dragged me
to it, and so,
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I've been here ever since,
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and it's a good part of
the world.
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I love LA, I hate LA.
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I love LA and drives me nuts.
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I fly in over it and think,
"Why do I live here?"
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But I live out there
at the beach.
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It's gorgeous.
It's been good to me.
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Yes, I'm from Navan,
County Meath.
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I grew up on
the banks of the river Boyne.
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My father, God bless him,
Tom Brosnan, he--he...
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went off into the hills
and never to return.
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So my mother
was a young mother,
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and being
a single mother in the '50s,
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in a very...
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closed environment
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and Catholicism really did
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kind of...
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mangle somewhat the lives
of many people,
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even though there was
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the prayer to God
and Jesus and happiness.
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But, uh...
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the marriage didn't work out,
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and being a single mother
in those years,
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they made you feel it.
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A cloistered town, like Navan,
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there was no escaping.
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My mother left
when I was a young lad
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to be a nurse in England.
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That was
her courage and her glory,
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and thank God she did,
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and she went off
to make a life.
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So I lived with
my grandparents,
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then an aunt and an uncle.
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One way or the other, Navan is
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very much part of my life.
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And you acknowledge that.
It's your roots.
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It's who you come from.
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It's the seed and the bone
and the flesh
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of your soul somewhat.
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And then when I was eleven
years of age,
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my mother finally
found her footing in England
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and got her nursing degrees
and sent for me,
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and we were reunited.
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So those first eleven
years of my life
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were very, somewhat solitary.
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But I think it's what gave me
the interior life of an actor
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and of an artist,
and made me the man I am today.
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So I landed in London and
was reunited with my mother
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on the same day
that Ian Fleming passed away.
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I didn't realize that for many,
many years.
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The sun was shining.
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I was looking...
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for the cars
with the big wings.
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I thought they were there,
but they weren't.
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They were just little cars
like in Ireland.
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And we lived in Putney.
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Number 72
Chelverton Road, Putney.
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My mother and stepfather
took me to the pictures,
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Putney High Street.
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First film I saw,
"Goldfinger."
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I'd never seen the likes of it.
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I was just bedazzled.
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I was good at art and I was
good at English,
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and my essays were strong.
The art wasn't bad.
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I left school at 16
with nothing
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but a cardboard folder
of drawings,
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paintings of flowers,
plants, people.
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And I got a job,
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again in Putney,
drawing straight lines,
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Watering the spider plants
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and making cups of tea
for the three other guys.
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And that was it.
I was an artist.
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I almost went into the army,
almost became a cop.
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I would have been a good
soldier, I think.
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Would have been
a good cop.
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[chuckles]
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Acting, really...
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acting kind of
came out of the blue.
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One day I was hanging
my coat up in the studio,
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talking to a colleague from
the photographic department,
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talking about movies.
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And he said,
"You should come along
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to the Oval House Theater."
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I said, "What is it?"
And he said, "It's an arts lab.
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They do workshops."
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I went along and that was it.
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This other world
revealed itself to me,
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and also my inner self too.
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And workshops, which were
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the beginning of
my own analysis...[chuckles]
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as an artist.
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I got cast in
an American production,
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"The Manions of America,"
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six-part mini series
on the Irish potato famine.
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So Ireland came back into me,
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came back into my life.
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I was unknown.
My late wife Cassie said,
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"You know,
we should go to America."
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I said, "How the hell
are we going to go to America?
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We just bought
this house in Wimbledon."
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She'd just done a James Bond
movie, "For Your Eyes Only."
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I've done
the six-hour miniseries.
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I said, "This is
too stressful, no, no.
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I want to do a play
at the royal court."
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And she said "No,
we should go to America."
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I said, "But
we don't have the money."
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And she said, "I'll find a way."
And she did.
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She took out a second mortgage
on the central heating.
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Sent me down to the bank
manager in Raynes Park
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to get an overdraft
for £2,000.
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Said I had a job.
Big lie. Little lie.
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She was right, you know.
She was absolutely
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on-the-nose,
pitch perfect right.
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Got the overdraft.
Freddie Laker used to do
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cheap flights to LA.
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100 quid.
Bring your own sandwiches.
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Friend of mine said,
"You can stay at our place."
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It was right there
on the strip.
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Had a room in the back,
a waterbed.
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Rented a car
from Rent-A-Wreck.
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Got to Hollywood.
Got an agent.
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Very first interview.
Across Laurel Canyon.
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My God, here I am.
I'm in Hollywood.
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I'm going for a job.
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I'm in this beat-up
old piece of crap car.
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I'm going for a job.
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It blew up and
I had to walk down, CBS.
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They were looking
for Remington Steele.
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I said, "I'll do it."
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I screen tested.
I got the job.
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I worked my tail off.
It was so stressful.
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10, 12 pages a day,
dialogue,
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but I was good on dialogue.
I was fast.
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I played with a lot
of alacrity.
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Back then I did, anyway,
coming out of the theatre,
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coming out of
English speaking theatre.
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Tongue.
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Precision.
Precision.
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So I would rattle through the
dialogue and they'd write more.
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You know, at this,
I could make a career.
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INTERVIEWER: How much pride
did you have then
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when Remington Steele
shot an episode in Ireland
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at a time when there was
no real film or tv industry?
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Uh...
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Well, I was very proud.
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I think that's...
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probably an understatement.
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Here I am with an American
TV series, "Remington Steele."
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I played Remington.
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It's 1984, the Olympic Games
are coming to Los Angeles
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and we decide
to take the show abroad.
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[chuckles]
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And I said, well,
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"Remington is an enigma.
We don't know who he is.
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Why doesn't he go
look for his father?"
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Remington looks for his father,
Pierce looks for his father.
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[chuckles]
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It all dovetailed rather well.
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But I loved the movies.
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I wanted to be up there
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in some wild dream,
some notion.
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But, you know,
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that's just a notion.
That's just a dream.
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The actual practical doing of
day-to-day living
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is get a job, go to work.
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Get a job, do it well,
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come home,
do it again,
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as an actor.
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So Keely and I are still
trucking down the road here,
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30 years,
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sorting the world out.
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And the boys are grown
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and we want to go back
to Ireland to make movies.
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We have a couple of ideas,
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so we know enough people
over there now
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to raise a bit of money
and
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make a "fill-im." [laughs]
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MAN: Welcome to the
20th IFTA Awards ceremony
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taking place here tonight
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at the
Dublin Royal Convention Centre.
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♪
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I think what's quintessentially
Irish
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is that whatever is
happening at the time,
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we'll claim it.
[laughs]
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We're "glic out." We're clever,
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We claimed Obama.
We claim whoever we want.
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A.J. BUCKLEY:
I left when I was a young boy.
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I left when I was six.
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There's something
about people here,
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they're so kind.
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In the darkest of times,
there's a great sense of humor.
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My dad's homemade brown bread.
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That's what's
quintessentially Irish to me.
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Are we good at trying
to hide things from people,
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cover, you know...
not being totally open?
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Sometimes, like,
bare-faced honesty,
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and it's quite shocking.
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SHARON HORGAN:
Brendan Gleeson,
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red hair, charming,
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gift of the gab.
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They're all Irish traits,
I think.
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So it sounds like I'm
in the tourist board now,
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but an openness,
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and maybe
it's because of age
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and the difference between
when I was young
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and what
happened to the country.
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Suddenly there was this huge
curiosity of the world.
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My missus is French, so
I spent a lot of time in France.
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And their idea of
who the Irish are
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is a great rootedness,
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a great openness,
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a great joie de vivre.
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We're a mysterious and
complex people
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with lots of
traumatic legacy behind us.
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A quintessential Irish
characteristic
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has to be
the Irish welcome.
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And it was something
that I noticed living in London
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five years,
took me a while.
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And I went back home and
everywhere I looked,
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somebody was warm to me.
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Someone helped me,
someone held a door for me.
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Someone said, "Oh, that's
my favorite chocolate bar, too."
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That's the Irish welcome.
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It expects nothing back
in return except to
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give you a little bit
of kindness in your day.
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And that, for me,
defines Ireland.
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You say you're
from Ireland and people
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immediately are warm to you.
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Other people get jealous, like,
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why does everyone
like the Irish so much?
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You may find Irish people
are socially
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or politically judgmental,
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but they're personally
very tolerant.
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Are there quintessentially
Irish characteristics
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or traits that you find?
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Of course there are.
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I wouldn't be here
if there weren't.
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I'm married to an Irish girl
and she's my savior.
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I'm Anglo-Saxon,
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with all the sort of
heavy German boringness
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that that brings.
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And she is a Celt,
a will-of-the-wisp,
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a difficult, edgy thoroughbred,
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and comes from a family
of storytelling
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and comes from a country
which has survived on that.
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There's something deeply...
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mystical and powerful
about the Irish.
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What it is,
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it's very hard to define,
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but we certainly bring it out
in song, in our writing,
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the way we spiritually
kind of connect to the world.
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The idea of Irish has come
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from the thoughts of
Irish people,
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from the poets, to the history,
to the language.
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But what is largely forgotten
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is the natural aspect
of Irish,
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the plants. It's the nature,
it's the landscape.
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We have certain natural
characteristics as a nation
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to do with connectivity,
to do with humor,
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and to do with,
dare I say it, crack.
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- INTERVIEWER: And what is crack?
- [laughs]
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Well, let's just say
it's not a legal substance.
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It is a spontaneous fun
that the Irish have,
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the ability
to laugh at ourselves,
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the ability to create a party
for any occasion,
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and having good crack.
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I think compassion.
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I think we must have
the courage
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to stand by our compassion.
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No matter
what the adversity is,
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it's that incredible spirit
of never giving up.
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I'm here.
Yes, I have my hopes
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and aspirations
and great dreams,
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but I fear nothing
and so I'm free.
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That is what makes Ireland
such a great country now.
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♪
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My wife, Greta, who's
from Perth in Western Australia,
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her first day in Ireland,
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I tried and failed
to find a pub
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that had traditional music,
having promised her
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she would have this great treat
of traditional music.
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So I went into this pub
and I was getting desperate,
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so I asked the lady behind
the counter,
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"Do you know any place
in Kenmare
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where there might be
Irish music?"
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She said,
"Sure, I'll play for you."
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And she pulled down
a fiddle and started playing.
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She would play,
she would finish,
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pull a few pints
and start playing again.
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And for me,
that was the essence of Ireland.
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That was Ireland at its best.
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♪
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[indistinct chatter]
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And I can always say
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I played with
the Irish Youth Orchestra.
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Can I say that?
Can I say that?
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"Going to the pictures,"
that's a great phrase,
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"Are you going
to the pictures?"
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Michael D. Higgins
is a great character,
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full of bonhomie and
mischief.
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This passion for the arts and
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the creativity of souls
and the harmony of people.
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Huge fan of Michael D.
I think he's a great president.
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He's done a huge amount
for the country.
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The present strength of
a multi-skilled
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creative film community
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on the island of Ireland
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is the result of committed,
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loyal supporters of film
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and decades of work.
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I think it was very important
that when I became
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the first Minister for Arts,
Culture and the Gaeltacht,
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that I had experience
with the community
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involved in filmmaking.
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So therefore
it was never for me
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going to be
simply a commodity.
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The late Prime Minister
Albert Reynolds,
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he met me and he said,
"Michael,
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what do you need
to get it all going?"
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I said, "I can get all of this
running quickly
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for 15 million."
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Everything I did
was against the tide.
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I was accused regularly
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that I was building
an empire. I was.
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We immediately,
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immediately
had five major projects.
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I knew that difficulties
had arisen
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in relation to the making
of "Braveheart" in Scotland.
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And Mel Gibson himself came
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and there was
a four-hour meeting.
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We said, "We can help, yeah."
393
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At that meeting,
Chris O'Grady negotiated
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30 first assistant posts
at every level,
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including an assistant
to Mel Gibson himself.
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And that became
the model of our scheme.
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You could make
any film in Ireland now
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and you wouldn't have
a skill shortage.
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"Braveheart" came to Dunsany.
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The church scene, in which
the French princess marries,
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was filmed right over there.
402
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I was ten years old,
hiding in bushes,
403
00:18:00,182 --> 00:18:02,702
and there was this
homeless-looking man.
404
00:18:02,702 --> 00:18:05,463
It was Mel Gibson,
dressed in costume.
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Big biceps, not very tall.
406
00:18:08,087 --> 00:18:09,743
And I thought to myself,
407
00:18:09,743 --> 00:18:12,194
"There's the 'Lethal Weapon'
guy."
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And I thought,
"Isn't this fantastic?"
409
00:18:14,023 --> 00:18:16,198
And I followed him around
410
00:18:16,198 --> 00:18:18,925
from behind, peering,
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00:18:18,925 --> 00:18:21,445
watching him direct,
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and I knew
I wanted to do the same,
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and if I could have the biceps,
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that would also be good, too.
415
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MICHAEL D.: We have been
very lucky in Ireland
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to have such outstanding
acting talents,
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production talents.
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It tells us that you have,
in fact,
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put a structure in place
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to make everything possible.
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Whatever small contribution
my policies made,
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that was just
a contribution to a structure
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00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,401
that makes
other things possible.
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It had been my dream.
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MAN: Ross White,
accompanied by Oscar.
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- Pleasure to meet you.
- I saw your [indistinct].
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[applause, indistinct chatter]
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It isn't just the director
and the script writer.
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It's all those
who make it possible,
430
00:19:03,383 --> 00:19:05,247
and those, in fact, actually
431
00:19:05,247 --> 00:19:08,492
who provide the hot meals
at the breaks.
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The Republic of Ireland
today
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is a country with a past
that tugs at your heart
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and a future that's shaping
the world.
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00:19:17,777 --> 00:19:21,367
And it's a global force
in culture and the arts
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and evidenced by
the 14 Oscar nominations
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00:19:24,439 --> 00:19:27,580
went to
Irish artists this year,
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The pride, the bród,
439
00:19:29,340 --> 00:19:30,790
that we all felt like,
seeing
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the Irish takeover
at the Oscars.
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Best director, Best Actor,
Best Supporting Actor,
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00:19:35,829 --> 00:19:37,072
Best Supporting Actress,
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00:19:37,072 --> 00:19:39,212
Best International Film
for "An Calín Ciúin."
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00:19:39,212 --> 00:19:40,317
It's extraordinary.
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PIERCE: I love that film.
446
00:19:41,870 --> 00:19:43,665
It just broke my heart
447
00:19:43,665 --> 00:19:47,496
because of my own aloneness
as a child
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of being wanted or not wanted.
449
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[chuckles]
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00:19:51,362 --> 00:19:53,640
You hear things, you see things.
451
00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,196
"Calín Ciúin."
Stunning piece of work
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by this man and wife team.
453
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It's lovely to see
Irish films be celebrated.
454
00:20:03,409 --> 00:20:06,481
Colm Bairéad.
455
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We're the first Irish
language feature film
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to be nominated for the Oscars
457
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and the first time
an Irish film
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has been nominated in
this particular category,
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which is the international
film category.
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00:20:18,596 --> 00:20:20,702
And of course,
an Irish person is famously
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00:20:20,702 --> 00:20:22,151
associated with
the Oscars themselves.
462
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The golden statuette
is designed by Cedric Gibbons.
463
00:20:25,465 --> 00:20:27,674
There's an Irish wave
certainly coming to Hollywood.
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Hopefully the luck of
the Irish will follow us, too.
465
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I was so moved by
the warmth conveyed
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in the award-winning
live action short film
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"An Irish Goodbye."
468
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[cheers and applause]
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00:20:49,489 --> 00:20:52,423
"An Calín Ciúin,"
which made history.
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[cheers and applause]
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The journey has been absolutely
extraordinary for us.
472
00:21:01,501 --> 00:21:03,607
It's been a complete whirlwind.
473
00:21:05,471 --> 00:21:06,610
[cameras clicking]
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00:21:06,610 --> 00:21:08,646
We've been at the BAFTAs
and the Oscars.
475
00:21:08,646 --> 00:21:10,338
- Now it's the IFTAs.
- Yeah, I mean,
476
00:21:10,338 --> 00:21:12,823
I guess it worked out
pretty well, right?
477
00:21:12,823 --> 00:21:16,067
Winning an Oscar
is fantastic.
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ROSS WHITE: And it's
so special to be here tonight
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at the IFTAs, you know,
the final stop on the journey.
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To sort of finish at home
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makes it extra special
for us all.
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Quintessentially Irish.
483
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I mean, we're great at
congratulating ourselves.
484
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And here we are at
the IFTAs.
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Next presenter,
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the greatest man
that ever lived,
487
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Mr. John C. Reilly.
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[cheers and applause]
489
00:21:39,746 --> 00:21:42,646
I know what you're thinking,
490
00:21:42,646 --> 00:21:44,475
What the hell is he
doing here?
491
00:21:44,475 --> 00:21:45,683
[laughter]
492
00:21:45,683 --> 00:21:47,927
Well, I couldn't
get a seat at the Oscars
493
00:21:47,927 --> 00:21:50,550
because there are so many
Irish people there this year,
494
00:21:50,550 --> 00:21:52,138
but I thought I'd try
my luck here.
495
00:21:52,138 --> 00:21:54,347
[laughter]
496
00:21:54,347 --> 00:21:55,693
The culture
and traditional writing
497
00:21:55,693 --> 00:21:57,799
in this country
is so profoundly rich,
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00:21:57,799 --> 00:21:59,697
and there has been
a real gear shift
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in terms of
the way that Ireland
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is presented on screen.
501
00:22:03,045 --> 00:22:05,047
There's less of
the old Irish tourist board
502
00:22:05,047 --> 00:22:06,152
presentation of this country.
503
00:22:06,152 --> 00:22:08,016
We've got great dramas
and here we have a drama
504
00:22:08,016 --> 00:22:10,674
that's full of Irish women
who look gorgeous.
505
00:22:10,674 --> 00:22:13,193
Nobody's peeling at
any point in the kitchen.
506
00:22:13,193 --> 00:22:14,885
You know?
It's just fantastic.
507
00:22:14,885 --> 00:22:17,094
JOHN C. REILLY:
And the winner is
508
00:22:17,094 --> 00:22:18,440
"The Banshees of Inisherin."
509
00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,063
[loud cheers and applause]
510
00:22:25,136 --> 00:22:27,725
INTERVIEWER: Is part of
the huge success of "Banshees"
511
00:22:27,725 --> 00:22:30,383
the fact that it's
quintessentially Irish?
512
00:22:30,383 --> 00:22:35,215
No, I think it's a story told
in a particular idiom.
513
00:22:35,215 --> 00:22:36,665
The fact
that you can tell a story
514
00:22:36,665 --> 00:22:39,012
in the Irish idiom,
in the Irish landscape,
515
00:22:39,012 --> 00:22:40,945
give it an epic quality,
516
00:22:40,945 --> 00:22:44,535
maintain a very ordinary sense
of humanity within it
517
00:22:44,535 --> 00:22:45,847
and do extraordinary
things with it.
518
00:22:45,847 --> 00:22:47,814
So that's where
I think the success is.
519
00:22:47,814 --> 00:22:49,540
It's not that it's Irish,
it's that it's good.
520
00:22:51,059 --> 00:22:53,579
What is so wonderfully,
quintessentially Irish
521
00:22:53,579 --> 00:22:56,167
- about Sinead O'Connor?
- Ooh!
522
00:22:56,167 --> 00:22:58,066
Goodness. Oof.
523
00:22:58,066 --> 00:23:01,966
I think her ability to
tell very authentic stories.
524
00:23:01,966 --> 00:23:04,486
Her voice is
quintessentially Irish.
525
00:23:04,486 --> 00:23:06,315
I think she sounds
like a keening
526
00:23:06,315 --> 00:23:08,628
from the depths of
ancient Ireland,
527
00:23:08,628 --> 00:23:10,492
the most fabulous icon
528
00:23:10,492 --> 00:23:12,425
we could be
lucky enough to have.
529
00:23:12,425 --> 00:23:14,876
So, yeah, that's
what I think about Sinead.
530
00:23:16,947 --> 00:23:19,743
BOB GELDOF: So I was in
a tiny little village
531
00:23:19,743 --> 00:23:22,021
in the south of France
last week,
532
00:23:22,021 --> 00:23:23,919
and I went to
the local village hall
533
00:23:23,919 --> 00:23:25,990
where there
was a production
534
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:27,958
of "Da" by Hugh Leonard.
535
00:23:27,958 --> 00:23:30,443
And I don't
understand French,
536
00:23:30,443 --> 00:23:33,619
but opposite me
were an Irish family
537
00:23:33,619 --> 00:23:35,483
who didn't understand French.
538
00:23:35,483 --> 00:23:38,831
And the rest
of the hall was filled with
539
00:23:38,831 --> 00:23:42,351
French people who thought
it was hilarious and very Irish.
540
00:23:42,351 --> 00:23:47,184
And there's
this sense of the absurd,
541
00:23:47,184 --> 00:23:50,394
which the Irish absolutely,
inherently,
542
00:23:50,394 --> 00:23:51,947
seemed to understand.
543
00:23:51,947 --> 00:23:53,777
Perhaps it's to do
with the nature
544
00:23:53,777 --> 00:23:55,641
of the people
in the country itself.
545
00:23:55,641 --> 00:23:57,850
Add to that the diaspora
546
00:23:57,850 --> 00:24:01,578
and the people who profoundly
associate themselves,
547
00:24:01,578 --> 00:24:04,684
often mistakenly,
with this country.
548
00:24:04,684 --> 00:24:07,376
Then you've got
a lot of influence.
549
00:24:07,376 --> 00:24:09,137
We like society.
550
00:24:09,137 --> 00:24:10,552
We're not solitary people.
551
00:24:10,552 --> 00:24:12,692
That's why when
we go abroad, we engage
552
00:24:12,692 --> 00:24:14,625
and we connect very well.
553
00:24:14,625 --> 00:24:16,696
I've been in many countries
554
00:24:16,696 --> 00:24:18,215
where I've
seen Irish communities.
555
00:24:18,215 --> 00:24:19,423
They make an impact
556
00:24:19,423 --> 00:24:24,290
above and beyond what
the numbers might suggest.
557
00:24:24,290 --> 00:24:25,533
As an island community,
558
00:24:25,533 --> 00:24:26,844
we're surrounded
by the Atlantic Ocean,
559
00:24:26,844 --> 00:24:28,328
north, south, east and west.
560
00:24:28,328 --> 00:24:30,572
And we go beyond
the Aran islands,
561
00:24:30,572 --> 00:24:31,918
then the next step after that
562
00:24:31,918 --> 00:24:33,713
is the east coast
of America.
563
00:24:33,713 --> 00:24:34,990
We do travel.
564
00:24:34,990 --> 00:24:37,924
As a people,
we have travelled far.
565
00:24:37,924 --> 00:24:40,720
Every corner of the world
has an Irish man,
566
00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:42,204
a woman there somewhere
567
00:24:42,204 --> 00:24:44,828
left to seek fame and fortune.
568
00:24:44,828 --> 00:24:47,209
The prime minister of
New Zealand was called Muldoon.
569
00:24:47,209 --> 00:24:49,211
The prime minister of
Australia was called Keating.
570
00:24:49,211 --> 00:24:50,627
The prime Minister of
Great Britain
571
00:24:50,627 --> 00:24:52,007
was called Callahan.
572
00:24:52,007 --> 00:24:54,907
The prime minister
of Canada was called Mulroney.
573
00:24:54,907 --> 00:24:56,840
The president
of the United States was Reagan,
574
00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,532
and--wait for it--
the president of France,
575
00:24:59,532 --> 00:25:01,534
de Gaulle,
traced his origins back
576
00:25:01,534 --> 00:25:03,743
to the McCartans
in County Down.
577
00:25:03,743 --> 00:25:06,953
It is kind of like
an extraordinary empire
578
00:25:06,953 --> 00:25:09,749
which wasn't built by military
might or force of arms,
579
00:25:09,749 --> 00:25:11,475
but just by the fact
that so many people
580
00:25:11,475 --> 00:25:12,683
left this island.
581
00:25:12,683 --> 00:25:14,133
And the bad news is that, like,
582
00:25:14,133 --> 00:25:17,239
10 million people in history
have left Ireland.
583
00:25:17,239 --> 00:25:18,931
But the good news is
that 10 million people
584
00:25:18,931 --> 00:25:20,346
in history have left Ireland
585
00:25:20,346 --> 00:25:24,281
because what we now have
is a phenomenal global tribe.
586
00:25:24,281 --> 00:25:26,870
We've no plans
to invade anybody soon.
587
00:25:26,870 --> 00:25:28,699
I think the last time
we had a home win was
588
00:25:28,699 --> 00:25:30,494
1014 against the Danes.
589
00:25:30,494 --> 00:25:32,772
We haven't had
great success since then.
590
00:25:32,772 --> 00:25:36,327
You see manifestations of
this Irish diaspora
591
00:25:36,327 --> 00:25:37,984
in all sorts of places,
like James Hoban,
592
00:25:37,984 --> 00:25:39,676
who built the White House.
593
00:25:39,676 --> 00:25:41,332
And in these rooms,
we see the dreams
594
00:25:41,332 --> 00:25:43,472
of one Irish builder made real.
595
00:25:43,472 --> 00:25:44,784
When George Washington
596
00:25:44,784 --> 00:25:47,994
chose James Hoban
to design the White House,
597
00:25:47,994 --> 00:25:50,169
the young architect had
his credentials
598
00:25:50,169 --> 00:25:51,826
from the Dublin Society.
599
00:25:51,826 --> 00:25:55,001
The Irish played a huge part
in building America.
600
00:25:55,001 --> 00:25:57,521
A million people left Ireland
601
00:25:57,521 --> 00:25:59,178
mostly for
the United States
602
00:25:59,178 --> 00:26:01,525
between 1815 and 1845.
603
00:26:01,525 --> 00:26:04,701
And they're established when
the great famine wave comes,
604
00:26:04,701 --> 00:26:06,461
when 2 million people go.
605
00:26:06,461 --> 00:26:09,533
The Irish between
1815-1845
606
00:26:09,533 --> 00:26:12,260
are described as
Protestant and prudent.
607
00:26:12,260 --> 00:26:15,470
They are now property owners
in Boston and so forth.
608
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:18,300
They're not necessarily
welcoming 2 million people
609
00:26:18,300 --> 00:26:19,370
coming in on top of them.
610
00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:21,580
So you begin to get
the scatter of the Irish
611
00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,167
throughout the United States.
612
00:26:23,167 --> 00:26:27,447
Most of them are descended
from post-famine emigrants.
613
00:26:27,447 --> 00:26:30,934
And those people left Ireland
with a sense of grievance
614
00:26:30,934 --> 00:26:33,971
about the circumstances
that had led to their departure.
615
00:26:33,971 --> 00:26:35,663
When they arrived in America,
616
00:26:35,663 --> 00:26:39,356
they were not warmly
received by Americans.
617
00:26:39,356 --> 00:26:41,910
There was a party
in the 1840s and '50s
618
00:26:41,910 --> 00:26:43,774
that wanted to send
the Irish home,
619
00:26:43,774 --> 00:26:46,225
and therefore
they banded together.
620
00:26:46,225 --> 00:26:50,194
The Irish proved themselves
to be assets to America,
621
00:26:50,194 --> 00:26:52,541
and that transformed
the image of Ireland
622
00:26:52,541 --> 00:26:54,336
in the United States
to the benefit
623
00:26:54,336 --> 00:26:56,511
of our country
going forward from there.
624
00:26:56,511 --> 00:26:58,789
And one of the key moments
was the Civil War,
625
00:26:58,789 --> 00:27:01,033
where Irish people
joined the Union forces.
626
00:27:01,033 --> 00:27:03,276
Those who came into New York
very often were recruited
627
00:27:03,276 --> 00:27:05,382
within weeks and were off
fighting in the Civil War
628
00:27:05,382 --> 00:27:07,211
under the leadership
of Thomas Francis Meagher,
629
00:27:07,211 --> 00:27:09,144
a good Waterford man
like myself.
630
00:27:09,144 --> 00:27:12,596
Irish America is
a remarkable phenomenon.
631
00:27:12,596 --> 00:27:15,944
Many Irish Americans are 4th,
5th, 6th generation,
632
00:27:15,944 --> 00:27:17,705
and yet a surprising
number of them
633
00:27:17,705 --> 00:27:19,810
have an affinity with Ireland,
634
00:27:19,810 --> 00:27:21,294
an affiliation with Ireland,
635
00:27:21,294 --> 00:27:25,402
an affection for Ireland
that is hugely beneficial
636
00:27:25,402 --> 00:27:27,438
from an Irish point of view.
637
00:27:27,438 --> 00:27:29,820
There's a difference between
Irish-born people
638
00:27:29,820 --> 00:27:31,995
who live in the United States,
for example,
639
00:27:31,995 --> 00:27:33,962
and Irish Americans.
640
00:27:33,962 --> 00:27:37,276
They are not the same people.
They are different tribes.
641
00:27:37,276 --> 00:27:39,278
And very often people who may
have a series
642
00:27:39,278 --> 00:27:42,039
of other ethnic definitions
in their background
643
00:27:42,039 --> 00:27:44,283
don't choose them,
but they choose the Irish one.
644
00:27:44,283 --> 00:27:46,734
The Americans
want to love the Irish.
645
00:27:46,734 --> 00:27:50,116
They want to be more Irish
than the Irish are themselves.
646
00:27:50,116 --> 00:27:51,497
I don't believe
that Ireland would have
647
00:27:51,497 --> 00:27:54,431
become independent in
the way it did in the early '20s
648
00:27:54,431 --> 00:27:57,054
had it not been for
the influence of Irish America.
649
00:27:57,054 --> 00:28:00,333
And likewise, I'm not sure
that the Good Friday Agreement
650
00:28:00,333 --> 00:28:02,128
would have emerged in
in the way it did,
651
00:28:02,128 --> 00:28:04,061
but for the influence of
Irish Americans,
652
00:28:04,061 --> 00:28:05,994
persuading
the Clinton administration
653
00:28:05,994 --> 00:28:08,790
to take
an active interest in Ireland.
654
00:28:08,790 --> 00:28:11,068
I remember
being in Belfast during
655
00:28:11,068 --> 00:28:14,451
those months leading up
to the final agreement in 1998.
656
00:28:14,451 --> 00:28:17,005
The word would go round--
the White House is on the line!
657
00:28:17,005 --> 00:28:18,455
Which meant
that President Clinton,
658
00:28:18,455 --> 00:28:19,870
the busiest man in the world,
659
00:28:19,870 --> 00:28:22,839
was picking up the phone
to ring politicians
660
00:28:22,839 --> 00:28:24,979
in Northern Ireland
to urge them
661
00:28:24,979 --> 00:28:26,912
to make those final moves,
662
00:28:26,912 --> 00:28:29,535
to make a compromise
and a settlement possible.
663
00:28:29,535 --> 00:28:32,020
[applause]
664
00:28:32,020 --> 00:28:33,815
You have all
heard the expression,
665
00:28:33,815 --> 00:28:35,886
every St. Patrick's Day,
666
00:28:35,886 --> 00:28:37,336
every Irishman goes out
667
00:28:37,336 --> 00:28:39,372
to find another Irishman
to make a speech to.
668
00:28:39,372 --> 00:28:40,580
[audience chuckles]
669
00:28:40,580 --> 00:28:42,237
Well, that's why I'm here.
670
00:28:42,237 --> 00:28:43,549
[audience laughs]
671
00:28:43,549 --> 00:28:46,517
The St. Patrick's Day
festivities in Washington, D. C.
672
00:28:46,517 --> 00:28:49,210
would not happen because
Ireland's a jolly good country.
673
00:28:49,210 --> 00:28:51,971
No, it happens
because Irish Americans
674
00:28:51,971 --> 00:28:53,939
are a jolly good community.
675
00:28:53,939 --> 00:28:55,837
INTERVIEWER:
You visited the White House.
676
00:28:55,837 --> 00:28:58,737
How proud were you
to be at that reception?
677
00:28:59,668 --> 00:29:01,084
It was a proud morning.
678
00:29:01,084 --> 00:29:03,742
It was a chilly morning,
but the food was good,
679
00:29:03,742 --> 00:29:05,536
the hospitality was great.
680
00:29:05,536 --> 00:29:08,436
President Joe Biden,
he was very gracious to me.
681
00:29:08,436 --> 00:29:11,059
We had a good chat
about Ireland and fishing.
682
00:29:11,059 --> 00:29:12,751
WOMAN:
The taoiseach of Ireland.
683
00:29:12,751 --> 00:29:17,238
[cheers and applause]
684
00:29:17,238 --> 00:29:19,412
I don't know how many countries
there are
685
00:29:19,412 --> 00:29:22,105
that have an annual date
in the calendar
686
00:29:22,105 --> 00:29:23,831
for a meeting
with the US president,
687
00:29:23,831 --> 00:29:25,591
the sheer extraordinary
pleasure
688
00:29:25,591 --> 00:29:27,489
of an occasion like that.
689
00:29:27,489 --> 00:29:29,975
Some of my European
colleagues in Washington
690
00:29:29,975 --> 00:29:31,666
were tearing their hair out
at how
691
00:29:31,666 --> 00:29:33,979
we could pull off this one
692
00:29:33,979 --> 00:29:36,533
and have a full day
in Washington devoted
693
00:29:36,533 --> 00:29:38,673
to Ireland's prime minister.
694
00:29:38,673 --> 00:29:40,226
And I know people at home
in Ireland
695
00:29:40,226 --> 00:29:41,780
can be cynical
about these things.
696
00:29:41,780 --> 00:29:43,609
"Oh, it's all
a bit of blarney."
697
00:29:43,609 --> 00:29:44,955
No, it's not.
698
00:29:44,955 --> 00:29:47,475
You get a chance to sit down
699
00:29:47,475 --> 00:29:50,064
with the most powerful person
in the world for an hour.
700
00:29:50,064 --> 00:29:54,068
And then you meet that person
over lunch for an hour,
701
00:29:54,068 --> 00:29:55,932
and then you spend an hour
with them
702
00:29:55,932 --> 00:29:57,865
in the evening at
a reception at the White House.
703
00:29:57,865 --> 00:30:02,455
So this is an extraordinary
blessing and boost for Ireland.
704
00:30:02,455 --> 00:30:03,974
WOMAN: Niall Horan.
705
00:30:03,974 --> 00:30:06,943
[cheers and applause]
706
00:30:06,943 --> 00:30:08,737
NIALL:
Happy Paddy's day, everyone.
707
00:30:08,737 --> 00:30:11,016
[cheers and applause]
708
00:30:11,016 --> 00:30:12,258
And for the Americans,
709
00:30:12,258 --> 00:30:14,260
that's not with two Ts,
that's two Ds.
710
00:30:14,260 --> 00:30:15,537
[laughter]
711
00:30:15,537 --> 00:30:17,850
When I was sat down
to write my first album,
712
00:30:17,850 --> 00:30:19,093
the first thing
that came to my mind
713
00:30:19,093 --> 00:30:21,820
was my hometown of Mullingar.
714
00:30:21,820 --> 00:30:24,926
And... emotional.
Um...
715
00:30:26,238 --> 00:30:27,722
It's a song called "This Town,"
716
00:30:27,722 --> 00:30:30,207
and it's about, effectively,
717
00:30:30,207 --> 00:30:33,383
an immigration song
about traveling the world and
718
00:30:33,383 --> 00:30:36,800
knowing that I'll always
have Mullingar to go back to.
719
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:38,767
And the chorus basically says,
720
00:30:38,767 --> 00:30:39,941
if the whole world
was watching,
721
00:30:39,941 --> 00:30:41,460
I'd still dance with you.
722
00:30:41,460 --> 00:30:45,153
And it's effectively
about my hometown.
723
00:30:45,153 --> 00:30:47,259
If you know the words,
you can sing along.
724
00:30:47,259 --> 00:30:49,813
If you don't, good.
That's fine, too.
725
00:30:49,813 --> 00:30:51,125
[laughter]
726
00:30:51,125 --> 00:30:52,574
Where have you been hiding?
727
00:30:52,574 --> 00:30:54,576
[laughter]
728
00:30:56,061 --> 00:30:58,097
It's a wonderful day
to be Irish in London.
729
00:30:58,097 --> 00:31:00,789
We'll paint Trafalgar
Square Green until Friday,
730
00:31:00,789 --> 00:31:02,722
and then we'll paint
the England rugby team Green
731
00:31:02,722 --> 00:31:04,552
- on Saturday.
- [crowd objects]
732
00:31:04,552 --> 00:31:05,933
Take it easy.
733
00:31:17,496 --> 00:31:19,739
We want to
celebrate our Irishness,
734
00:31:19,739 --> 00:31:21,500
our language, personality,
735
00:31:21,500 --> 00:31:23,882
our love of
music and literature,
736
00:31:23,882 --> 00:31:25,400
all aspects of life.
737
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,264
We celebrate St. Patrick's Day,
738
00:31:27,264 --> 00:31:29,059
and he might be Welsh
or wherever he's from, but sure,
739
00:31:29,059 --> 00:31:30,543
all we want
to do is party anyway.
740
00:31:30,543 --> 00:31:34,030
St. Patrick, who is known
often as our patron saint,
741
00:31:34,030 --> 00:31:37,826
is ironic because
he's not traditionally Irish,
742
00:31:37,826 --> 00:31:39,069
because he was
a foreigner.
743
00:31:39,069 --> 00:31:41,313
Not Irish.
That's very surprising to me.
744
00:31:41,313 --> 00:31:42,970
INTERVIEWER:
Was St. Patrick Irish?
745
00:31:42,970 --> 00:31:45,351
Of cour--no.
No, he's actually English,
746
00:31:45,351 --> 00:31:47,595
and then he got
taken into Ireland.
747
00:31:47,595 --> 00:31:49,286
I know the story.
748
00:31:49,286 --> 00:31:51,495
No, I don't believe he was.
749
00:31:51,495 --> 00:31:53,601
Is that meant to be
a trick question?
750
00:31:53,601 --> 00:31:56,259
No, he wasn't, actually.
But that's okay.
751
00:31:56,259 --> 00:31:57,743
[laughs]
752
00:31:57,743 --> 00:32:00,539
He's a great brand ambassador.
Do you know what I mean?
753
00:32:00,539 --> 00:32:03,542
It's great to have him.
Don't like snakes, so.
754
00:32:03,542 --> 00:32:05,647
My only issue with
St. Patrick's Day
755
00:32:05,647 --> 00:32:07,960
is why did we have to
pick a festival
756
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:09,928
in the middle of March,
which is usually
757
00:32:09,928 --> 00:32:11,826
the coldest month of the year,
758
00:32:11,826 --> 00:32:14,518
with an easterly breeze
that cuts through everything.
759
00:32:14,518 --> 00:32:16,520
And as a child and as
a grown adult,
760
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:18,626
standing by,
reporting on things,
761
00:32:18,626 --> 00:32:21,594
I've stood around in the cold
too often on St Patrick's Day.
762
00:32:21,594 --> 00:32:23,286
I wish we had it in June.
763
00:32:24,252 --> 00:32:25,702
He is buried in County Down,
764
00:32:25,702 --> 00:32:27,255
our neighboring county,
765
00:32:27,255 --> 00:32:29,292
and he was a shepherd
on Slemish Mountain.
766
00:32:29,292 --> 00:32:30,914
We usually have
a little get-together
767
00:32:30,914 --> 00:32:32,157
with friends and family.
768
00:32:32,157 --> 00:32:33,986
We have to keep
that tradition alive.
769
00:32:33,986 --> 00:32:35,712
[chuckles]
770
00:32:35,712 --> 00:32:38,128
The palace is turned green.
771
00:32:38,128 --> 00:32:40,303
The Niagara Falls
has been turned green.
772
00:32:40,303 --> 00:32:42,167
What I call
the greening tower of Pisa.
773
00:32:42,167 --> 00:32:44,410
And now in the White House.
An amazing feat
774
00:32:44,410 --> 00:32:47,172
that our country
has that ability
775
00:32:47,172 --> 00:32:49,070
to appeal to people
around the world,
776
00:32:49,070 --> 00:32:52,073
even those that have no...
777
00:32:52,073 --> 00:32:55,249
ancestral connection
with Ireland.
778
00:32:55,249 --> 00:32:58,045
Thank you very much,
those with links to Ireland.
779
00:32:58,045 --> 00:33:00,012
Those of us without links
but pretend
780
00:33:00,012 --> 00:33:01,462
to have links with Ireland.
781
00:33:01,462 --> 00:33:03,774
We're really grateful
for the massive contribution
782
00:33:03,774 --> 00:33:05,604
the Irish have made to
our city
783
00:33:05,604 --> 00:33:09,159
in culture,
in music and in the arts.
784
00:33:09,159 --> 00:33:10,885
Previous generations,
the people that I met,
785
00:33:10,885 --> 00:33:12,852
the older people
who were still there in Britain
786
00:33:12,852 --> 00:33:15,338
after maybe 50 years
living in the country,
787
00:33:15,338 --> 00:33:18,237
they had built Britain,
in many cases, with their hands.
788
00:33:18,237 --> 00:33:20,205
The Irish that came in
the period
789
00:33:20,205 --> 00:33:22,690
leading up to my arrival
in London,
790
00:33:22,690 --> 00:33:24,002
were designing Britain.
791
00:33:24,002 --> 00:33:26,314
They were actually operating
at a very different level.
792
00:33:26,314 --> 00:33:29,110
The Irish have given some
service to Britain
793
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:31,492
over the years
and we kind of run the place,
794
00:33:31,492 --> 00:33:33,494
really, if truth be known,
you know.
795
00:33:33,494 --> 00:33:36,773
I mean, I don't think
anyone would dispute that.
796
00:33:36,773 --> 00:33:40,535
All of you seem to
have English accents.
797
00:33:40,535 --> 00:33:42,641
Do you consider yourself Irish?
798
00:33:42,641 --> 00:33:44,505
- Of course, yeah.
- Of course. Of course.
799
00:33:44,505 --> 00:33:46,541
INTERVIEWER: We just interviewed
three of your friends.
800
00:33:46,541 --> 00:33:48,302
- Yeah.
- Are they Irish?
801
00:33:48,302 --> 00:33:51,960
No, they're plastic paddies!
I'm the only true Irish!
802
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,583
I feel sorry
for plastic paddies.
803
00:33:53,583 --> 00:33:56,137
These are the people
who truly want to be Irish,
804
00:33:56,137 --> 00:33:57,690
but don't know what Irish is.
805
00:33:57,690 --> 00:33:59,313
But a plastic paddy is
a person who
806
00:33:59,313 --> 00:34:00,659
never grew up in Ireland,
807
00:34:00,659 --> 00:34:02,661
never grew up with
any of the Irish traditions,
808
00:34:02,661 --> 00:34:04,283
doesn't know
anything about Ireland,
809
00:34:04,283 --> 00:34:06,665
but would like to be Irish.
810
00:34:06,665 --> 00:34:08,736
Was that a bit cruel?
811
00:34:08,736 --> 00:34:10,117
There's quite a few of them.
812
00:34:11,118 --> 00:34:12,360
I know some people say,
813
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:14,914
"Oh, we should definitely
cast those people aside."
814
00:34:14,914 --> 00:34:16,433
No, they're our people.
815
00:34:16,433 --> 00:34:19,850
Irishness comes in
different shapes and forms.
816
00:34:20,713 --> 00:34:23,337
Plastic paddies,
a really shameful description,
817
00:34:23,337 --> 00:34:25,994
because I think it's
impossible actually to
818
00:34:25,994 --> 00:34:29,584
define Ireland without
reference to its diaspora.
819
00:34:30,654 --> 00:34:32,449
First of all,
they bailed us out,
820
00:34:32,449 --> 00:34:34,451
literally
from the famine and beyond.
821
00:34:34,451 --> 00:34:36,419
And then the children
of these Irish immigrants
822
00:34:36,419 --> 00:34:38,662
really valued
their Irish heritage
823
00:34:38,662 --> 00:34:40,457
when they went to school
and so on.
824
00:34:40,457 --> 00:34:43,426
They not only saw themselves
as American or British,
825
00:34:43,426 --> 00:34:45,807
but they also were very proud
of their Irish heritage
826
00:34:45,807 --> 00:34:47,706
and really put that
on the table.
827
00:34:47,706 --> 00:34:48,638
And as a result of that,
828
00:34:48,638 --> 00:34:50,536
they faced
a lot of discrimination.
829
00:34:50,536 --> 00:34:51,813
Then when
they returned to Ireland,
830
00:34:51,813 --> 00:34:54,022
they weren't accepted
as Irish either.
831
00:34:54,022 --> 00:34:56,991
So they really were isolated,
shot by both sides.
832
00:34:56,991 --> 00:35:00,167
To throw an accusation
that they aren't proper Irish
833
00:35:00,167 --> 00:35:02,686
is hugely insulting
because they are,
834
00:35:02,686 --> 00:35:05,689
and because the current
Ireland wouldn't be where it is.
835
00:35:05,689 --> 00:35:08,244
It wouldn't have
the global networks
836
00:35:08,244 --> 00:35:11,212
that have enabled
multinationals to locate here.
837
00:35:11,212 --> 00:35:12,972
You wouldn't have
the social networks
838
00:35:12,972 --> 00:35:15,423
where people in Ireland
can show up anywhere
839
00:35:15,423 --> 00:35:17,874
and there's a warm,
welcoming hand.
840
00:35:17,874 --> 00:35:20,256
I don't think people
on the island of Ireland
841
00:35:20,256 --> 00:35:22,637
are appreciative enough of
842
00:35:22,637 --> 00:35:25,571
what the international
diaspora have done for us.
843
00:35:27,504 --> 00:35:30,266
My grandfather
had a small 15 acres
844
00:35:30,266 --> 00:35:31,853
of very poor land
in West Claire
845
00:35:31,853 --> 00:35:34,442
and got up every morning
and milked four cows
846
00:35:34,442 --> 00:35:36,306
at 4:00 in the morning.
847
00:35:36,306 --> 00:35:38,826
And my father
didn't want to inherit that.
848
00:35:38,826 --> 00:35:41,932
My father met my mother
and they immigrated to New York.
849
00:35:41,932 --> 00:35:44,072
And my father got involved
in the travel business
850
00:35:44,072 --> 00:35:45,315
with Thomas Cook,
851
00:35:45,315 --> 00:35:47,006
with Aer Lingus
at Kennedy Airport,
852
00:35:47,006 --> 00:35:48,525
and then set up
his own business
853
00:35:48,525 --> 00:35:51,735
and then did the typical paddy:
came home to buy a pub.
854
00:35:51,735 --> 00:35:55,153
I think my family's story
is just a mirror image
855
00:35:55,153 --> 00:35:57,569
of thousands more.
856
00:35:57,569 --> 00:35:59,985
When I'm doing an All-Ireland
Hurling Final on the radio,
857
00:35:59,985 --> 00:36:02,229
I like to reach out
not only to the Irish,
858
00:36:02,229 --> 00:36:03,954
but the descendants
of the Irish.
859
00:36:03,954 --> 00:36:05,370
You are part of us.
860
00:36:05,370 --> 00:36:07,475
You might be 3,000 miles away,
861
00:36:07,475 --> 00:36:10,064
but no matter where you are,
you are family.
862
00:36:10,927 --> 00:36:13,861
In times gone by,
we had JFK coming to Wexford.
863
00:36:13,861 --> 00:36:16,415
We had Ronald Reagan.
We had Joe Biden recently,
864
00:36:16,415 --> 00:36:19,349
who had clearly strong roots
with Louth and Mayo.
865
00:36:19,349 --> 00:36:22,939
As the great-great-grandson
of the Blewitts
866
00:36:22,939 --> 00:36:25,528
of County Mayo and
several are here today...
867
00:36:25,528 --> 00:36:27,875
INTERVIEWER: President Biden
traces his Irish ancestry
868
00:36:27,875 --> 00:36:30,153
to County Mayo, as do you.
869
00:36:30,153 --> 00:36:31,327
What is it about the west?
870
00:36:31,327 --> 00:36:33,536
[laughs]
I don't know.
871
00:36:33,536 --> 00:36:36,746
There must be something
in the air or the water.
872
00:36:36,746 --> 00:36:39,611
Don't get me wrong, I love
the other parts of Ireland too,
873
00:36:39,611 --> 00:36:42,165
but it's true that the west
has a special atmosphere.
874
00:36:42,165 --> 00:36:45,893
It's not an easy climate.
It can be very wet and windy.
875
00:36:45,893 --> 00:36:48,067
That usually creates
good character
876
00:36:48,067 --> 00:36:50,518
and toughness to face life.
877
00:36:51,761 --> 00:36:54,350
Every American president
is a little bit Irish
878
00:36:54,350 --> 00:36:56,490
- on St. Patrick's Day.
- [audience chuckles]
879
00:36:56,490 --> 00:36:58,630
But some
are more Irish than others.
880
00:36:58,630 --> 00:37:00,114
[laughter]
881
00:37:00,114 --> 00:37:02,012
[applause]
882
00:37:02,012 --> 00:37:03,773
And, um...
883
00:37:03,773 --> 00:37:05,809
I think it's fair to say
that today
884
00:37:05,809 --> 00:37:08,226
we're celebrating
our national day
885
00:37:08,226 --> 00:37:09,710
with a president who is
886
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:11,850
unmistakably
a son of Ireland.
887
00:37:11,850 --> 00:37:17,407
[cheers and applause]
888
00:37:17,407 --> 00:37:19,098
Is Joe Biden Irish?
889
00:37:19,098 --> 00:37:22,274
I guess he thinks he's Irish
and I guess that's what matters.
890
00:37:22,274 --> 00:37:25,208
If he wants to be Irish,
let him be Irish.
891
00:37:25,208 --> 00:37:34,873
♪
892
00:37:35,839 --> 00:37:38,083
INTERVIEWER: President Biden
is considered so Irish
893
00:37:38,083 --> 00:37:40,741
that his Secret Service
code name is "Celtic."
894
00:37:40,741 --> 00:37:47,437
♪
895
00:37:49,577 --> 00:37:51,683
[cameras clicking]
896
00:37:51,683 --> 00:37:53,340
AÁINE LAWLOR: The man
is proud in his heart
897
00:37:53,340 --> 00:37:54,893
and his soul to be Irish,
898
00:37:54,893 --> 00:37:56,998
and we saw that on his visit
here to Ireland.
899
00:37:56,998 --> 00:38:00,105
You know, that wasn't
any political theatrics.
900
00:38:00,105 --> 00:38:03,626
As the Irish saying goes,
"Your feet will bring you
901
00:38:03,626 --> 00:38:05,248
where your heart is."
902
00:38:05,248 --> 00:38:08,631
That was a real connection
he'd made, all the way through.
903
00:38:08,631 --> 00:38:10,840
INTERVIEWER: So you're not
cynical about it at all?
904
00:38:12,082 --> 00:38:15,085
You know, politicians
have hearts, too.
905
00:38:15,085 --> 00:38:17,881
Sometimes. [laughs]
906
00:38:17,881 --> 00:38:21,678
Sentiment is a very powerful
force in human affairs.
907
00:38:21,678 --> 00:38:24,371
The fact that Joe Biden
is sentimentally Irish
908
00:38:24,371 --> 00:38:26,476
is, I think,
a huge bonus for Ireland.
909
00:38:26,476 --> 00:38:28,547
Thank you. Thank you.
Wonderful to be back.
910
00:38:28,547 --> 00:38:29,617
INTERVIEWER: Mr. President,
what are your
911
00:38:29,617 --> 00:38:31,826
quintessentially Irish
characteristics?
912
00:38:35,140 --> 00:38:36,279
I'm not going to presume.
913
00:38:36,279 --> 00:38:37,867
I'll let others
make that judgment.
914
00:38:37,867 --> 00:38:39,834
He's not just saying he's
Irish for the crack
915
00:38:39,834 --> 00:38:41,664
or like, saying it
to make people happy.
916
00:38:41,664 --> 00:38:43,976
He's obviously saying it
to try and draw in
917
00:38:43,976 --> 00:38:46,669
other people who are
loving their Irish roots.
918
00:38:46,669 --> 00:38:48,705
They're going to cash in
on anything they can,
919
00:38:48,705 --> 00:38:50,569
but it made
for an interesting view.
920
00:38:50,569 --> 00:38:52,019
Put it like that.
921
00:38:52,019 --> 00:38:58,715
♪
922
00:39:04,790 --> 00:39:08,518
President Joe Biden is
a proud, patriotic American,
923
00:39:08,518 --> 00:39:10,934
but he's also someone
who prides himself
924
00:39:10,934 --> 00:39:12,108
on his Irish heritage.
925
00:39:12,108 --> 00:39:13,420
And he is, by the way,
926
00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:17,009
the most Irish president
since John F. Kennedy.
927
00:39:17,009 --> 00:39:19,805
And indeed, he's always
wore his Irish identity
928
00:39:19,805 --> 00:39:21,738
on his sleeve,
on his heart.
929
00:39:21,738 --> 00:39:23,257
Whereas in the case of Kennedy,
930
00:39:23,257 --> 00:39:25,811
Kennedy was a little
more circumspect about it,
931
00:39:25,811 --> 00:39:27,641
because at that time,
back in the '60s,
932
00:39:27,641 --> 00:39:28,883
being an Irish-American
933
00:39:28,883 --> 00:39:31,748
wasn't necessarily
the advantage it carries
934
00:39:31,748 --> 00:39:33,647
in the years since that time.
935
00:39:36,408 --> 00:39:38,962
INTERVIEWER: Presidents
Joe Biden and Barack Obama
936
00:39:38,962 --> 00:39:42,310
have more in common than just
being Irish-Americans.
937
00:39:42,310 --> 00:39:44,002
Both Biden and Obama
are descended
938
00:39:44,002 --> 00:39:47,108
from Irish shoemakers
who emigrated to the States
939
00:39:47,108 --> 00:39:48,593
in the 19th century.
940
00:39:48,593 --> 00:39:51,561
[bell clangs]
941
00:39:53,770 --> 00:39:55,807
You know,
I know it sounds silly,
942
00:39:55,807 --> 00:39:59,742
but there's so many
Irish-Americans,
943
00:39:59,742 --> 00:40:02,745
like my relatives who got here,
944
00:40:02,745 --> 00:40:07,577
got to America
in 1844, '45 and '46
945
00:40:07,577 --> 00:40:09,510
who've never been back here,
946
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:10,960
and they talk about it.
947
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:13,514
INTERVIEWER: Mr. President,
why do Irish shoemakers
948
00:40:13,514 --> 00:40:15,067
make great presidents?
949
00:40:15,067 --> 00:40:16,206
Isn't that amazing?
950
00:40:17,311 --> 00:40:18,277
Isn't that amazing?
951
00:40:18,277 --> 00:40:20,797
My great-great-grandfather
952
00:40:20,797 --> 00:40:23,904
left from the same port
953
00:40:23,904 --> 00:40:28,771
five weeks later after Barack's
great-great-grandfather,
954
00:40:28,771 --> 00:40:30,635
and the idea
that they both would
955
00:40:30,635 --> 00:40:32,602
seek a new life
956
00:40:32,602 --> 00:40:35,847
and think that
their great-great-grandsons
957
00:40:35,847 --> 00:40:37,158
would end up being
president of the United States.
958
00:40:37,158 --> 00:40:38,574
That's remarkable.
959
00:40:38,574 --> 00:40:40,679
That's the Irish of it.
960
00:40:44,614 --> 00:40:46,202
President Barack Obama,
961
00:40:46,202 --> 00:40:49,964
he spoke eloquently
about his Irish connections.
962
00:40:49,964 --> 00:40:53,658
The great landscape of
history of Ireland and America,
963
00:40:53,658 --> 00:40:56,177
the men and women
who created this country
964
00:40:56,177 --> 00:41:00,423
came out of desperate times,
dark times, the famine.
965
00:41:00,423 --> 00:41:02,011
I love when Obama came
to Dublin,
966
00:41:02,011 --> 00:41:05,290
his very funny speech about
being Barack O'Bama
967
00:41:05,290 --> 00:41:06,947
from Moneygall, but somehow
968
00:41:06,947 --> 00:41:09,467
the apostrophe
was dropped along the way.
969
00:41:12,193 --> 00:41:17,889
♪
970
00:41:53,614 --> 00:41:55,478
Mr. President,
thank you for spending
971
00:41:55,478 --> 00:41:58,964
so much of your precious time
on our beautiful island.
972
00:41:58,964 --> 00:42:01,311
Thank you for coming home to us.
973
00:42:01,311 --> 00:42:04,004
[cheers and applause]
974
00:42:10,044 --> 00:42:12,219
My name is Ricky Simms.
I'm a sports agent.
975
00:42:12,219 --> 00:42:14,842
I'm from Milford in County
Donegal. I live in Monaco.
976
00:42:14,842 --> 00:42:16,119
Growing up in Milford,
977
00:42:16,119 --> 00:42:17,707
which is a small village
outside Letterkenny,
978
00:42:17,707 --> 00:42:18,777
it's a farming community.
979
00:42:18,777 --> 00:42:20,641
I was a sports-mad kid.
980
00:42:20,641 --> 00:42:22,125
I played all kinds of sports.
981
00:42:22,125 --> 00:42:24,300
My opportunity
was with a club called
982
00:42:24,300 --> 00:42:25,404
Finn Valley Athletic Club,
983
00:42:25,404 --> 00:42:26,440
which was one of the biggest
984
00:42:26,440 --> 00:42:27,752
athletics clubs in Ireland.
985
00:42:27,752 --> 00:42:29,650
I always say I was good in
Donegal,
986
00:42:29,650 --> 00:42:31,272
but I never made it
to the Olympic Games
987
00:42:31,272 --> 00:42:33,205
or the world championships.
I was never really good enough.
988
00:42:33,205 --> 00:42:34,793
When I started working with
the Kenyan athletes,
989
00:42:34,793 --> 00:42:36,519
I realized it was time for me
to stop running,
990
00:42:36,519 --> 00:42:38,935
because they were way,
way faster than I could ever be
991
00:42:38,935 --> 00:42:41,766
if I ate, slept and trained
for the rest of my life.
992
00:42:41,766 --> 00:42:43,561
But I had a talent
for organizing
993
00:42:43,561 --> 00:42:44,527
and managing and coaching,
994
00:42:44,527 --> 00:42:46,080
and coming from Donegal
995
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,117
doesn't mean you have
to stay at home on a farm.
996
00:42:48,117 --> 00:42:49,946
You can go and try and
do things around the world,
997
00:42:49,946 --> 00:42:51,396
and that's where
I got really connected
998
00:42:51,396 --> 00:42:52,673
to international athletics.
999
00:42:53,743 --> 00:43:02,752
♪
1000
00:43:02,752 --> 00:43:04,651
I met Sonia O'Sullivan,
1001
00:43:04,651 --> 00:43:06,204
who was
a big hero in Ireland,
1002
00:43:06,204 --> 00:43:07,757
and her coach and agent
1003
00:43:07,757 --> 00:43:09,276
was Kim McDonald,
who ran one of
1004
00:43:09,276 --> 00:43:11,899
the biggest athletics agencies
in the world at the time.
1005
00:43:11,899 --> 00:43:14,246
Traveling to world championships
and seeing how it all worked
1006
00:43:14,246 --> 00:43:16,870
gave me the appetite to have
a career in that area.
1007
00:43:16,870 --> 00:43:18,699
Mo started with us in 2000.
1008
00:43:18,699 --> 00:43:20,770
Usain started 2003.
1009
00:43:20,770 --> 00:43:23,428
In 2012, Usain
was the face of the games.
1010
00:43:23,428 --> 00:43:25,948
Mo was maybe the second
most famous athlete there.
1011
00:43:25,948 --> 00:43:27,846
One of the iconic photographs
from 2012
1012
00:43:27,846 --> 00:43:30,090
was of Usain
doing Mo's celebration,
1013
00:43:30,090 --> 00:43:31,712
then Mo doing Usain's
celebration.
1014
00:43:31,712 --> 00:43:32,851
That was a good picture.
1015
00:43:32,851 --> 00:43:34,681
Who took that picture?
1016
00:43:34,681 --> 00:43:35,751
So it was my idea
to get a picture.
1017
00:43:35,751 --> 00:43:37,338
Exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.
1018
00:43:37,338 --> 00:43:39,789
- I said, "Okay, let's get it."
- Get a picture, yeah, yeah.
1019
00:43:39,789 --> 00:43:41,722
There was probably
100 photographers, like,
1020
00:43:41,722 --> 00:43:43,621
swarmed round
and got the photo.
1021
00:43:43,621 --> 00:43:46,071
If I'd got it myself,
I probably could have sold it.
1022
00:43:46,071 --> 00:43:47,659
We've been together so long,
1023
00:43:47,659 --> 00:43:49,661
I have a lot of stories,
so he's nervous.
1024
00:43:49,661 --> 00:43:51,905
[chuckles]
1025
00:43:54,217 --> 00:43:56,150
Yeah, we do.
1026
00:43:56,150 --> 00:43:58,946
Ricky has meant
a lot to my career.
1027
00:43:58,946 --> 00:44:01,811
To find somebody
that believes in you
1028
00:44:01,811 --> 00:44:03,192
and believes in your career
1029
00:44:03,192 --> 00:44:06,091
helps to propel you to be
the best person you can be.
1030
00:44:07,852 --> 00:44:09,232
It doesn't happen every day.
1031
00:44:09,232 --> 00:44:12,684
When I started,
I struggled a lot
1032
00:44:12,684 --> 00:44:14,824
with injuries,
ups and downs.
1033
00:44:14,824 --> 00:44:16,619
It wasn't smooth sailing,
1034
00:44:16,619 --> 00:44:19,001
but Ricky always treated
me the same,
1035
00:44:19,001 --> 00:44:20,554
and for me, that meant a lot.
1036
00:44:20,554 --> 00:44:22,487
So when I actually made it,
1037
00:44:22,487 --> 00:44:24,938
it was my way of showing,
like, you know what?
1038
00:44:24,938 --> 00:44:27,837
You were loyal to me,
so I'm gonna be loyal to you.
1039
00:44:27,837 --> 00:44:30,150
We have
developed this big family
1040
00:44:30,150 --> 00:44:32,117
that is just a wonderful thing.
1041
00:44:32,117 --> 00:44:34,982
One thing I would say
about him
1042
00:44:34,982 --> 00:44:36,743
throughout the championship,
1043
00:44:36,743 --> 00:44:39,607
he's not--he's not
as cool as he looks.
1044
00:44:39,607 --> 00:44:41,333
You know what I mean?
He worries.
1045
00:44:41,333 --> 00:44:42,783
You know what I mean?
No matter how well
1046
00:44:42,783 --> 00:44:44,198
I'll be doing
through the season,
1047
00:44:44,198 --> 00:44:45,821
he's the worrier in the group.
1048
00:44:45,821 --> 00:44:47,823
He worries,
you know what I mean?
1049
00:44:47,823 --> 00:44:49,479
- Thanks for adding that.
- No, I'm just saying.
1050
00:44:49,479 --> 00:44:51,689
- You gotta have a Plan B.
- [laughs] That's him.
1051
00:44:51,689 --> 00:44:53,345
You need a Plan C
and a Plan D.
1052
00:44:53,345 --> 00:44:54,450
That's the only thing
I would add,
1053
00:44:54,450 --> 00:44:56,866
that he's the worrier
in the group.
1054
00:44:56,866 --> 00:44:58,488
This is why I enjoy being
around him, man.
1055
00:44:58,488 --> 00:45:00,870
I'm always laughing.
He just lighten the mood
1056
00:45:00,870 --> 00:45:02,285
so it's always a fun time.
1057
00:45:02,285 --> 00:45:04,011
Unless he's worrying
about me.
1058
00:45:04,011 --> 00:45:06,738
So I'm funnier than I look?
1059
00:45:06,738 --> 00:45:09,292
I wouldn't go that far.
But--but--
1060
00:45:09,292 --> 00:45:10,811
You're--you're decent.
1061
00:45:12,261 --> 00:45:14,781
The Irish and the Jamaicans
are very, very similar.
1062
00:45:14,781 --> 00:45:16,437
We don't take ourselves
too seriously.
1063
00:45:16,437 --> 00:45:17,645
We like to have a bit of fun.
1064
00:45:17,645 --> 00:45:18,992
They love Guinness in Jamaica.
1065
00:45:18,992 --> 00:45:20,579
Actually,
the most popular drinks
1066
00:45:20,579 --> 00:45:22,167
are Guinness and Hennessy.
1067
00:45:22,167 --> 00:45:23,651
USAIN: Ireland's a cold
Jamaica,
1068
00:45:23,651 --> 00:45:25,067
and Jamaica
is a hot Ireland.
1069
00:45:25,067 --> 00:45:27,897
So for me, our cultures
mash together,
1070
00:45:27,897 --> 00:45:29,796
and I think that's
one of the reasons
1071
00:45:29,796 --> 00:45:32,971
why me and Ricky
gets along so well.
1072
00:45:32,971 --> 00:45:35,042
One thing we have done
throughout the years
1073
00:45:35,042 --> 00:45:36,975
is that we
just become instinctive.
1074
00:45:36,975 --> 00:45:39,529
He understands me as a person.
1075
00:45:39,529 --> 00:45:42,118
He's watched me
do so much interviews,
1076
00:45:42,118 --> 00:45:44,880
if you ask certain
specific questions,
1077
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:48,469
he can answer exactly,
almost word for word...
1078
00:45:48,469 --> 00:45:51,024
- I've heard it all before.
- how I would answer questions.
1079
00:45:51,024 --> 00:45:52,853
I've never said this out loud,
1080
00:45:52,853 --> 00:45:55,304
but he has done
a few interviews for me
1081
00:45:55,304 --> 00:45:56,408
without asking.
1082
00:45:57,996 --> 00:46:00,033
Usain Bolt has never actually
been in Ireland,
1083
00:46:00,033 --> 00:46:02,690
which is
quite hard to believe.
1084
00:46:02,690 --> 00:46:04,244
I hope he comes there one day.
1085
00:46:04,244 --> 00:46:06,142
USAIN:
It's not my fault.
1086
00:46:06,142 --> 00:46:07,799
- Oh, it's his fault.
- It's his fault, yeah.
1087
00:46:07,799 --> 00:46:09,214
Definitely his fault.
1088
00:46:10,768 --> 00:46:11,872
Every time they ask me,
I'm like,
1089
00:46:11,872 --> 00:46:13,943
"I'm waiting on Ricky."
1090
00:46:13,943 --> 00:46:16,497
I can't go without him.
1091
00:46:16,497 --> 00:46:18,603
So hopefully he'll make it
to Ireland
1092
00:46:18,603 --> 00:46:20,156
and have
a pint of real Guinness,
1093
00:46:20,156 --> 00:46:21,813
not the stuff
he drinks in Jamaica.
1094
00:46:21,813 --> 00:46:23,470
The premiere
of this film in Ireland
1095
00:46:23,470 --> 00:46:25,403
will be the--
This'll be the perfect--
1096
00:46:30,166 --> 00:46:32,065
I went to a small school
on Harcourt Street
1097
00:46:32,065 --> 00:46:33,445
in Dublin called High School.
1098
00:46:33,445 --> 00:46:35,447
Obviously,
the most famous old boys,
1099
00:46:35,447 --> 00:46:37,587
we call them,
was William Butler Yeats.
1100
00:46:37,587 --> 00:46:39,451
But he did mention
about his time in High School.
1101
00:46:39,451 --> 00:46:41,937
He said, "My schooling
interrupted my education."
1102
00:46:41,937 --> 00:46:43,559
I think that put the school
1103
00:46:43,559 --> 00:46:45,595
maybe on the back foot
a little bit, I believe.
1104
00:46:45,595 --> 00:46:48,288
Yeats was very good friends
with my great-grandfather.
1105
00:46:48,288 --> 00:46:49,841
In fact,
they used to play chess.
1106
00:46:49,841 --> 00:46:51,049
My great-grandfather
used to
1107
00:46:51,049 --> 00:46:52,533
beat the living life
out of him in chess,
1108
00:46:52,533 --> 00:46:55,502
which I think created
some awkward moments.
1109
00:46:57,884 --> 00:46:59,540
I'd like to think that Yeats
1110
00:46:59,540 --> 00:47:01,473
got a lot of influence
from Dunsany,
1111
00:47:01,473 --> 00:47:04,200
because when
you walk the lands of Dunsany,
1112
00:47:04,200 --> 00:47:06,858
how can you not be
absorbed by the nature?
1113
00:47:07,894 --> 00:47:11,656
My name is Randal Plunkett.
I'm the 21st Lord Dunsany.
1114
00:47:11,656 --> 00:47:14,279
Once a bodybuilding meathead
1115
00:47:14,279 --> 00:47:16,523
to vegan rewilder
1116
00:47:16,523 --> 00:47:18,628
and protector
of the animals here.
1117
00:47:19,975 --> 00:47:22,253
Here in Ireland,
we are the oldest family
1118
00:47:22,253 --> 00:47:24,462
still associated with one place.
1119
00:47:24,462 --> 00:47:27,361
So among our people,
we've had my father,
1120
00:47:27,361 --> 00:47:29,053
who was an artist,
1121
00:47:29,053 --> 00:47:30,951
my grandfather,
who was a soldier
1122
00:47:30,951 --> 00:47:32,470
who fought Rommel in Africa.
1123
00:47:32,470 --> 00:47:34,852
Horace Plunkett,
the founder of the co-ops,
1124
00:47:34,852 --> 00:47:36,992
helped start
the Women's Association.
1125
00:47:36,992 --> 00:47:39,615
And he spent almost all
our money
1126
00:47:39,615 --> 00:47:41,651
building 2,500 schools.
1127
00:47:41,651 --> 00:47:43,964
Because he had an idea,
and the idea was,
1128
00:47:43,964 --> 00:47:45,172
we are now a republic.
1129
00:47:45,172 --> 00:47:47,312
But the way to truly
be free
1130
00:47:47,312 --> 00:47:50,074
was to stand level with
the British
1131
00:47:50,074 --> 00:47:51,765
through education.
1132
00:47:51,765 --> 00:47:53,180
Saint Oliver Plunkett--
1133
00:47:53,180 --> 00:47:54,906
or Oliver Plunkett
at the time---
1134
00:47:54,906 --> 00:47:56,839
was arrested.
They found him guilty,
1135
00:47:56,839 --> 00:47:58,703
and they hung, drew,
and quartered him
1136
00:47:58,703 --> 00:48:00,394
and then set him on fire.
1137
00:48:00,394 --> 00:48:03,294
He looks a bit
like my father even now,
1138
00:48:03,294 --> 00:48:04,674
so that's kind of grim,
1139
00:48:04,674 --> 00:48:06,745
and, in fact, I have
the same bone structure.
1140
00:48:06,745 --> 00:48:08,609
And if you look...
1141
00:48:08,609 --> 00:48:10,404
here and look at the painting,
1142
00:48:10,404 --> 00:48:12,130
you will see some similarities.
1143
00:48:12,130 --> 00:48:13,891
Yes, we've been here a while.
1144
00:48:13,891 --> 00:48:15,616
Bit like
that old pair of shoes
1145
00:48:15,616 --> 00:48:16,824
that you can't throw away.
1146
00:48:16,824 --> 00:48:24,556
♪
1147
00:48:24,556 --> 00:48:27,007
So this is
a large estate that was
1148
00:48:27,007 --> 00:48:28,664
traditionally a large farm.
1149
00:48:28,664 --> 00:48:31,391
Out of that,
one third is rewilding.
1150
00:48:31,391 --> 00:48:34,532
Now, we removed chemicals,
we removed farm animals.
1151
00:48:34,532 --> 00:48:36,430
We allowed everything
just to become natural.
1152
00:48:36,430 --> 00:48:38,605
What happened was
the succession plants came
1153
00:48:38,605 --> 00:48:40,365
and things
just started booming,
1154
00:48:40,365 --> 00:48:43,092
and nobody understood.
Nobody knew what I was doing.
1155
00:48:43,092 --> 00:48:45,681
So they thought
I was a decadent millionaire
1156
00:48:45,681 --> 00:48:48,477
sitting on a good Meath land,
wasting it,
1157
00:48:48,477 --> 00:48:51,307
something that his ancestors
would be ashamed of.
1158
00:48:51,307 --> 00:48:53,102
People started
seeing the animals.
1159
00:48:53,102 --> 00:48:55,760
He had salmon, otters,
hares, deer,
1160
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,212
foxes and pine martin,
red kites, woodpeckers,
1161
00:48:59,212 --> 00:49:01,697
drilling away in the morning,
keeping me up.
1162
00:49:01,697 --> 00:49:05,149
We embrace the smaller
things of being Irish.
1163
00:49:06,633 --> 00:49:09,153
This is not a museum,
and yet it is a museum.
1164
00:49:09,153 --> 00:49:12,018
It's a home, but a home
that is also a museum.
1165
00:49:12,018 --> 00:49:14,986
I don't consider myself to
be an owner. I don't own this.
1166
00:49:14,986 --> 00:49:17,402
I'm a caretaker,
a steward,
1167
00:49:17,402 --> 00:49:20,198
and I have a little tradition,
and it's a family tradition.
1168
00:49:20,198 --> 00:49:22,718
The next generation
decides whether you have
1169
00:49:22,718 --> 00:49:25,134
earned a place on that wall.
1170
00:49:27,654 --> 00:49:28,758
SEAN MCDERMOTT: You know,
everything that we have
1171
00:49:28,758 --> 00:49:31,485
in this place is donated
to us by a Dubliner.
1172
00:49:31,485 --> 00:49:32,728
One day we had
1173
00:49:32,728 --> 00:49:34,074
a "'lecky," an electrician,
1174
00:49:34,074 --> 00:49:36,594
in fixing the lights
here in the museum.
1175
00:49:36,594 --> 00:49:38,147
When this electrician
was a boy,
1176
00:49:38,147 --> 00:49:39,907
he was asked by his teacher
1177
00:49:39,907 --> 00:49:41,909
to write a letter
to someone
1178
00:49:41,909 --> 00:49:43,014
who used to
live in his house.
1179
00:49:43,014 --> 00:49:44,188
And him
and his family went back
1180
00:49:44,188 --> 00:49:45,292
and they did a bit of research,
1181
00:49:45,292 --> 00:49:46,604
and they found out,
lo and behold,
1182
00:49:46,604 --> 00:49:49,572
Sam Beckett himself
used to live in his house.
1183
00:49:49,572 --> 00:49:50,988
And he wrote to Sam.
1184
00:49:50,988 --> 00:49:53,852
Samuel wrote back, talking
about his love for the house,
1185
00:49:53,852 --> 00:49:57,132
his memories with his brother,
the room that he was born in.
1186
00:49:57,132 --> 00:49:58,788
Genius, as always,
Beckett signs it.
1187
00:49:58,788 --> 00:50:01,757
"If you ever see my ghost
in house or grounds,
1188
00:50:01,757 --> 00:50:03,241
"give it my regards.
1189
00:50:03,241 --> 00:50:05,830
Yours antiquatedly,
Sam Beckett."
1190
00:50:05,830 --> 00:50:07,625
Oscar is, I think,
1191
00:50:07,625 --> 00:50:10,248
one of the most
quintessential Dubliners,
1192
00:50:10,248 --> 00:50:12,733
you know, for one,
because he didn't stay.
1193
00:50:12,733 --> 00:50:14,701
Many think that he's British.
1194
00:50:14,701 --> 00:50:18,532
Oscar Wilde, of course,
quintessential Londoner.
1195
00:50:18,532 --> 00:50:21,501
I still quote Wilde
now in my speeches.
1196
00:50:21,501 --> 00:50:24,400
One of my favorite
Oscar Wilde quotes is,
1197
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:27,093
and it applies
to this Tory government.
1198
00:50:27,093 --> 00:50:28,473
"They know
the price of everything
1199
00:50:28,473 --> 00:50:30,510
but the value of nothing."
1200
00:50:30,510 --> 00:50:32,926
INTERVIEWER:
Can you quote any James Joyce?
1201
00:50:32,926 --> 00:50:36,205
Oh, God. And I've just
been playing James Joyce.
1202
00:50:36,205 --> 00:50:38,345
That's a low blow.
That's a low blow.
1203
00:50:38,345 --> 00:50:39,829
James Joyce, for me, is
1204
00:50:39,829 --> 00:50:42,798
the greatest novelist
of the 20th century.
1205
00:50:42,798 --> 00:50:45,697
He left Ireland as
a young man in 1904.
1206
00:50:45,697 --> 00:50:47,768
In the last 37 years
of his life,
1207
00:50:47,768 --> 00:50:49,805
he only returned
to Ireland three times,
1208
00:50:49,805 --> 00:50:51,496
and yet practically
everything he wrote
1209
00:50:51,496 --> 00:50:54,085
was set in the Ireland
he left in 1904.
1210
00:50:54,085 --> 00:50:55,466
And he wrote about that
incessantly,
1211
00:50:55,466 --> 00:50:57,675
and forensically,
and brilliantly.
1212
00:50:57,675 --> 00:51:00,298
He gives us a picture
of this country
1213
00:51:00,298 --> 00:51:02,507
which is an Ireland
on the cusp of change.
1214
00:51:02,507 --> 00:51:04,785
The great political
transformation took place
1215
00:51:04,785 --> 00:51:08,272
a decade later when Joyce
was already writing "Ulysses."
1216
00:51:08,272 --> 00:51:10,929
What people don't maybe
know enough
1217
00:51:10,929 --> 00:51:14,416
in relation to Joyce's
continual contact with Ireland
1218
00:51:14,416 --> 00:51:16,107
as it was being heard,
1219
00:51:16,107 --> 00:51:18,247
was he kept Raidió EÉirea on
1220
00:51:18,247 --> 00:51:21,319
practically day and night
as his sight was fading.
1221
00:51:21,319 --> 00:51:25,427
When he was buried,
the local ambassador writes over
1222
00:51:25,427 --> 00:51:27,567
to the Secretary of the
Department of Foreign Affairs,
1223
00:51:27,567 --> 00:51:30,501
and the question is,
"Did he die a Catholic?"
1224
00:51:30,501 --> 00:51:34,194
"If he didn't, better
to be safe" and so forth.
1225
00:51:34,194 --> 00:51:35,816
For goodness' sake.
1226
00:51:35,816 --> 00:51:38,267
Well, I have seen
James Joyce's passports
1227
00:51:38,267 --> 00:51:40,545
on display at
the University of Buffalo,
1228
00:51:40,545 --> 00:51:42,478
where they have a huge
collection of Joyce material,
1229
00:51:42,478 --> 00:51:45,032
and they are
both British passports.
1230
00:51:45,032 --> 00:51:46,379
INTERVIEWER:
James Joyce famously
1231
00:51:46,379 --> 00:51:47,863
didn't have an Irish passport.
1232
00:51:47,863 --> 00:51:49,416
- Yeah, yeah.
- He traveled on a British one.
1233
00:51:49,416 --> 00:51:50,762
Does that make him
any less Irish?
1234
00:51:50,762 --> 00:51:52,730
No, it doesn't.
It absolutely doesn't,
1235
00:51:52,730 --> 00:51:54,766
particularly for what
he's done for our country.
1236
00:51:54,766 --> 00:51:56,665
INTERVIEWER: James Joyce
actually set up
1237
00:51:56,665 --> 00:51:59,702
the first-ever cinema
in Ireland.
1238
00:51:59,702 --> 00:52:01,325
Did he?
I never knew that.
1239
00:52:01,325 --> 00:52:02,395
Does it still exist?
1240
00:52:02,395 --> 00:52:03,568
INTERVIEWER: There's a Penneys
1241
00:52:03,568 --> 00:52:05,536
commemorating the Volta cinema.
1242
00:52:05,536 --> 00:52:07,434
IRONS: What a shame
it's not there still.
1243
00:52:07,434 --> 00:52:08,849
Have to do with the plaque.
1244
00:52:08,849 --> 00:52:11,645
James Joyce
should be acknowledged
1245
00:52:11,645 --> 00:52:15,270
for his forward thinking
and his passion for cinema.
1246
00:52:15,270 --> 00:52:17,582
Yes.
Not many people know.
1247
00:52:17,582 --> 00:52:19,550
He saw,
I think, very early on,
1248
00:52:19,550 --> 00:52:20,861
and it's there in the writing
1249
00:52:20,861 --> 00:52:23,761
of how images
are very important.
1250
00:52:23,761 --> 00:52:26,384
It didn't succeed
not because of Joyce,
1251
00:52:26,384 --> 00:52:28,628
but rather because
it was specializing
1252
00:52:28,628 --> 00:52:30,630
in international and
foreign cinema,
1253
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:32,494
and the market for
that in Ireland at that time
1254
00:52:32,494 --> 00:52:34,634
simply wasn't
great enough to be able
1255
00:52:34,634 --> 00:52:37,326
to sustain
a venture of that kind.
1256
00:52:38,707 --> 00:52:45,852
♪
1257
00:52:45,852 --> 00:52:47,716
JEREMY IRONS:
Well, it's Bloomsday today.
1258
00:52:47,716 --> 00:52:50,684
The festival is normally
a week after Bloomsday,
1259
00:52:50,684 --> 00:52:53,066
but it corresponds today,
and so we did a reading
1260
00:52:53,066 --> 00:52:54,516
this morning, my wife and I,
1261
00:52:54,516 --> 00:52:57,864
to celebrate one of Ireland's
greatest writers, Joyce.
1262
00:52:57,864 --> 00:52:59,728
"Quick warm sunlight
1263
00:52:59,728 --> 00:53:03,387
"came running
from Berkeley Road swiftly,
1264
00:53:03,387 --> 00:53:08,219
"in slim sandals,
along the brightening footpath.
1265
00:53:08,219 --> 00:53:12,499
"Runs... she runs to meet me,
1266
00:53:12,499 --> 00:53:16,020
a girl with golden hair
on the wind."
1267
00:53:16,020 --> 00:53:18,574
To be able to read that aloud...
1268
00:53:19,782 --> 00:53:22,268
hopefully will open up the book
1269
00:53:22,268 --> 00:53:24,097
for some people who maybe
1270
00:53:24,097 --> 00:53:25,271
didn't get all the way
through it
1271
00:53:25,271 --> 00:53:27,445
or never read Joyce.
1272
00:53:27,445 --> 00:53:28,791
You know,
I'm an Englishman.
1273
00:53:28,791 --> 00:53:30,690
I was glad the audience
seemed to accept
1274
00:53:30,690 --> 00:53:32,554
that I didn't have
an Irish accent.
1275
00:53:32,554 --> 00:53:35,729
My wife made up
for that with her Molly.
1276
00:53:35,729 --> 00:53:37,317
"She doubled a slice
of bread
1277
00:53:37,317 --> 00:53:38,905
into her mouth, asking,
1278
00:53:38,905 --> 00:53:40,700
[mouth full]
What time's the funeral?
1279
00:53:40,700 --> 00:53:43,703
[laughter]
1280
00:53:43,703 --> 00:53:47,465
"Eleven, I think," he answered.
"I didn't see the paper."
1281
00:53:47,465 --> 00:53:49,295
The audience certainly seemed
to accept it
1282
00:53:49,295 --> 00:53:52,194
because in a way,
the accent isn't important
1283
00:53:52,194 --> 00:53:54,161
if it doesn't ring out of
the dialogue,
1284
00:53:54,161 --> 00:53:56,474
which with Bloom,
it doesn't really.
1285
00:53:56,474 --> 00:53:58,856
"Did Roberts pay you yet?"
1286
00:53:58,856 --> 00:54:00,961
"9:20."
1287
00:54:00,961 --> 00:54:03,654
"What had Greta Conroy on?"
1288
00:54:03,654 --> 00:54:05,966
"9:23."
1289
00:54:05,966 --> 00:54:08,659
"What possessed me
to buy this comb?"
1290
00:54:08,659 --> 00:54:10,074
"9:24."
1291
00:54:10,074 --> 00:54:13,319
I hope a lot of people
will go to the library here,
1292
00:54:13,319 --> 00:54:16,770
buy a volume and
take it home and try it,
1293
00:54:16,770 --> 00:54:18,979
realize that it's
not as impenetrable
1294
00:54:18,979 --> 00:54:20,533
as people sometimes think.
1295
00:54:20,533 --> 00:54:23,915
"He allowed his bowels
to ease themselves quietly
1296
00:54:23,915 --> 00:54:25,469
"as he read,
1297
00:54:25,469 --> 00:54:28,403
"reading still patiently,
1298
00:54:28,403 --> 00:54:31,302
that slight constipation
of yesterday quite gone."
1299
00:54:31,302 --> 00:54:33,753
[laughter]
1300
00:54:33,753 --> 00:54:38,067
"Hope it's not too big.
Bring on piles again.
1301
00:54:38,067 --> 00:54:40,069
No, no, just right."
1302
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:42,313
[laughter]
1303
00:54:42,313 --> 00:54:44,350
In England
we tend to have--
1304
00:54:44,350 --> 00:54:45,834
I swear,
I mustn't generalize,
1305
00:54:45,834 --> 00:54:48,595
but we tend to have
rock festivals everywhere.
1306
00:54:48,595 --> 00:54:51,046
In Ireland
it's slightly more
1307
00:54:51,046 --> 00:54:52,910
mixed in its culture.
1308
00:54:52,910 --> 00:54:55,361
I mean, of course, we do
have rock festivals here too,
1309
00:54:55,361 --> 00:54:56,879
but there's other stuff.
1310
00:54:56,879 --> 00:54:59,779
I think it's all part
of the fabric of this society
1311
00:54:59,779 --> 00:55:03,541
and the society I'm very
pleased to be a-blowin' in.
1312
00:55:03,541 --> 00:55:06,061
It's a wonderful weekend.
I don't want too many people
1313
00:55:06,061 --> 00:55:08,374
to come because
then it'll get too big.
1314
00:55:08,374 --> 00:55:10,686
The occasional
person should come.
1315
00:55:11,756 --> 00:55:15,864
James Joyce.
WB Yeats. Jack Yeats.
1316
00:55:18,004 --> 00:55:19,902
I started to collect
Irish paintings
1317
00:55:19,902 --> 00:55:21,421
when I started to have
some money.
1318
00:55:21,421 --> 00:55:23,941
Art is something
you don't buy for profit.
1319
00:55:23,941 --> 00:55:26,288
You buy for what you enjoy
the look of it.
1320
00:55:26,288 --> 00:55:28,083
And it's only
when it's not there
1321
00:55:28,083 --> 00:55:29,429
that you actually miss it,
1322
00:55:29,429 --> 00:55:32,708
because you take it for
granted after a period of time.
1323
00:55:32,708 --> 00:55:34,261
But when
you just take it off the wall,
1324
00:55:34,261 --> 00:55:36,367
even if it's loaned it to
a museum, which I did, it's--
1325
00:55:36,367 --> 00:55:37,851
"Where's my painting?"
1326
00:55:37,851 --> 00:55:41,338
I'd be shocked.
The room was totally dead.
1327
00:55:41,338 --> 00:55:44,202
And I found that, to my horror,
loaning a painting,
1328
00:55:44,202 --> 00:55:47,689
I was giving a bit of myself
away for that period of time.
1329
00:55:47,689 --> 00:55:48,621
INTERVIEWER:
Did you know that there was
1330
00:55:48,621 --> 00:55:51,071
a big art robbery
in the Tate?
1331
00:55:51,071 --> 00:55:53,833
No, I didn't. How did
they get away with that?
1332
00:55:53,833 --> 00:55:57,354
Oh, she was beautiful painter.
Yeah, I remember this.
1333
00:55:57,354 --> 00:55:59,701
The theft in 1956
1334
00:55:59,701 --> 00:56:02,773
of a priceless piece of
French impressionist art
1335
00:56:02,773 --> 00:56:04,844
from the Tate Gallery
in London
1336
00:56:04,844 --> 00:56:07,950
was the art heist
of the century.
1337
00:56:09,089 --> 00:56:12,299
Hugh Lane was born
in Cork of modest means.
1338
00:56:12,299 --> 00:56:14,301
He came to London and
became
1339
00:56:14,301 --> 00:56:16,511
the preeminent art dealer
1340
00:56:16,511 --> 00:56:18,651
for British
and international art.
1341
00:56:18,651 --> 00:56:22,379
Hugh Lane opened the first
contemporary art gallery.
1342
00:56:22,379 --> 00:56:23,552
He wanted Dublin, Ireland,
1343
00:56:23,552 --> 00:56:25,312
to have its own
contemporary art gallery
1344
00:56:25,312 --> 00:56:29,006
and left this incredible
bequest of contemporary art.
1345
00:56:29,006 --> 00:56:31,353
STEPHEN HOGAN: He was quite
in debt at this stage and
1346
00:56:31,353 --> 00:56:33,079
he had arranged a great sale
1347
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:34,943
which he personally
had to go to the States on.
1348
00:56:34,943 --> 00:56:36,600
He had some kind
of a premonition,
1349
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,567
and he changed his will,
1350
00:56:38,567 --> 00:56:40,845
which had gifted
and granted
1351
00:56:40,845 --> 00:56:42,606
his private
personal collection
1352
00:56:42,606 --> 00:56:44,124
to the National Gallery
of Ireland,
1353
00:56:44,124 --> 00:56:46,333
to the people of Dublin.
1354
00:56:46,333 --> 00:56:49,509
That will had
not been witnessed.
1355
00:56:49,509 --> 00:56:52,616
Sir Hugh Lane went down
in the Lusitania
1356
00:56:52,616 --> 00:56:56,274
and could not see
his great desire and ambition
1357
00:56:56,274 --> 00:56:59,174
to create
a world class collection
1358
00:56:59,174 --> 00:57:01,141
of impressionist art in Dublin.
1359
00:57:01,141 --> 00:57:04,041
Monets, Manets, Renoirs,
1360
00:57:04,041 --> 00:57:06,526
the Tate gallery here
held onto them.
1361
00:57:06,526 --> 00:57:07,734
"They're too good for you.
1362
00:57:07,734 --> 00:57:09,046
"You haven't
got somewhere to put them,
1363
00:57:09,046 --> 00:57:11,082
and then it'd be lost,
it'd be wasted on you."
1364
00:57:11,082 --> 00:57:13,637
My uncle decides
1365
00:57:13,637 --> 00:57:15,639
that he's going to right
this historical wrong.
1366
00:57:15,639 --> 00:57:17,882
Paul and Billy
were doing this
1367
00:57:17,882 --> 00:57:20,298
out of a sense
of moral righteousness.
1368
00:57:20,298 --> 00:57:23,094
51 years after the will
was made,
1369
00:57:23,094 --> 00:57:25,200
the moment came.
The guards were off,
1370
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:26,512
and they go about the heist.
1371
00:57:26,512 --> 00:57:28,514
"Jour D'EÉté"
by Berthe Morisot
1372
00:57:28,514 --> 00:57:29,860
is the picture
they're going to swipe.
1373
00:57:29,860 --> 00:57:32,518
Uncle Paul lifted it off
the wall,
1374
00:57:32,518 --> 00:57:34,174
walked out the door.
1375
00:57:34,174 --> 00:57:36,004
The photographer was
waiting as planned,
1376
00:57:36,004 --> 00:57:38,731
and took
the iconic picture.
1377
00:57:38,731 --> 00:57:42,044
All of the papers globally
had printed the picture
1378
00:57:42,044 --> 00:57:45,013
knocked off all of the stories
from the world headlines,
1379
00:57:45,013 --> 00:57:47,843
including the marriage of
Grace Kelly to Prince Ranier,
1380
00:57:47,843 --> 00:57:50,812
drawing attention to a...a...
1381
00:57:50,812 --> 00:57:54,160
a kind of great
national outrage
1382
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,921
that had been committed
upon the people of Ireland.
1383
00:57:56,921 --> 00:57:58,578
[laughing]
That sounds ridiculous!
1384
00:57:58,578 --> 00:58:00,235
INTERVIEWER:
It's not ridiculous.
1385
00:58:00,235 --> 00:58:01,339
That's not ridiculous.
1386
00:58:01,339 --> 00:58:04,722
I'm making it sound
like the famine here.
1387
00:58:04,722 --> 00:58:07,553
If we can at least get it
back onto Irish soil,
1388
00:58:07,553 --> 00:58:09,313
the gesture will have
been made.
1389
00:58:09,313 --> 00:58:11,798
The Irish embassy in London
immediately handed it back.
1390
00:58:11,798 --> 00:58:14,560
"The Independent"
in London managed to get hold
1391
00:58:14,560 --> 00:58:18,080
of a redacted file
on the events.
1392
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,875
And it was quite clear
1393
00:58:19,875 --> 00:58:22,188
that at the highest
ministerial level
1394
00:58:22,188 --> 00:58:24,742
in the British government,
the decision was made
1395
00:58:24,742 --> 00:58:28,815
not to make martyrs of
Paul Hogan and Bill Fogerty.
1396
00:58:28,815 --> 00:58:30,921
Sarsfield Hogan,
my grandfather,
1397
00:58:30,921 --> 00:58:35,650
was called by Dubliner DCI
McGraw of Scotland Yard.
1398
00:58:35,650 --> 00:58:37,341
"Your boy is on the ferry.
1399
00:58:37,341 --> 00:58:39,964
"He'll be at the north wall
at 7:30 in the morning.
1400
00:58:39,964 --> 00:58:42,829
You can pick him up.
He's not to come back."
1401
00:58:42,829 --> 00:58:45,452
They effectively
got away scot-free.
1402
00:58:45,452 --> 00:58:49,284
The publicity generated
led to further discussions and
1403
00:58:49,284 --> 00:58:53,012
it was decided that
the pictures could be shared.
1404
00:58:53,012 --> 00:58:54,841
They came to a compromise
whereby
1405
00:58:54,841 --> 00:58:57,016
they co-own the paintings
1406
00:58:57,016 --> 00:59:00,571
and they rotate
between the two institutions.
1407
00:59:00,571 --> 00:59:02,815
HOGAN:
That is a great legal fudge.
1408
00:59:02,815 --> 00:59:04,989
The pictures
must finally be returned
1409
00:59:04,989 --> 00:59:07,751
to their rightful home,
which is Dublin,
1410
00:59:07,751 --> 00:59:11,755
in the municipal gallery
in Parnell Square.
1411
00:59:11,755 --> 00:59:14,861
It is in effect
the Irish Elgin marbles,
1412
00:59:14,861 --> 00:59:16,311
and we want them back.
1413
00:59:16,311 --> 00:59:19,763
We want them back in Dublin
where they belong.
1414
00:59:19,763 --> 00:59:21,350
PIERCE:
Really, enough is enough.
1415
00:59:21,350 --> 00:59:23,111
Now bring them back home.
1416
00:59:23,111 --> 00:59:24,837
It would be rude not to.
1417
00:59:24,837 --> 00:59:28,116
I'll have to put my thinking
hat on here, you know.
1418
00:59:28,116 --> 00:59:30,463
"Thomas Crown 2."
1419
00:59:31,291 --> 00:59:34,432
INTERVIEWER: Hugh Lane
played an inadvertent role
1420
00:59:34,432 --> 00:59:36,573
in making Ireland the modern,
1421
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,747
thriving economy
that it is today.
1422
00:59:38,747 --> 00:59:41,267
Paul Hogan's father,
Sarsfield Hogan,
1423
00:59:41,267 --> 00:59:44,339
who is a leading civil servant
in the Irish government.
1424
00:59:44,339 --> 00:59:47,376
Sarsfield Hogan
fully expected to become
1425
00:59:47,376 --> 00:59:50,207
the first secretary of
the Department of Finance.
1426
00:59:50,207 --> 00:59:52,899
But because
his son was involved in
1427
00:59:52,899 --> 00:59:54,038
a diplomatic incident,
1428
00:59:54,038 --> 00:59:56,385
he was overlooked
for promotion.
1429
00:59:56,385 --> 00:59:59,768
And a young TK Whitaker
was appointed in his stead.
1430
00:59:59,768 --> 01:00:02,426
The visionary for
the modern Irish economy,
1431
01:00:02,426 --> 01:00:05,912
he created policies that made
Ireland less protectionist
1432
01:00:05,912 --> 01:00:07,983
and more
international-looking
1433
01:00:07,983 --> 01:00:10,296
from old Ireland to New Ireland.
1434
01:00:10,296 --> 01:00:13,299
So the Tate gallery theft was
the butterfly effect
1435
01:00:13,299 --> 01:00:14,852
that really led Ireland
1436
01:00:14,852 --> 01:00:18,131
into its period
of economic prosperity.
1437
01:00:18,131 --> 01:00:20,858
When I was born,
Ireland was objectively
1438
01:00:20,858 --> 01:00:23,343
the worst educated population
in Europe
1439
01:00:23,343 --> 01:00:24,897
and it's now the best.
1440
01:00:24,897 --> 01:00:28,486
My generation was the first
generation of Irish people
1441
01:00:28,486 --> 01:00:30,281
to have the opportunity
1442
01:00:30,281 --> 01:00:32,698
to be educated
to the highest level.
1443
01:00:32,698 --> 01:00:36,253
Remember,
my first year at school was
1444
01:00:36,253 --> 01:00:39,566
the first year of free education
introduced in the 1960s.
1445
01:00:39,566 --> 01:00:42,259
Most of the people that I met
at college at that time
1446
01:00:42,259 --> 01:00:45,883
were like me, experiencing
university education
1447
01:00:45,883 --> 01:00:48,817
for the first time
in their family history.
1448
01:00:48,817 --> 01:00:51,337
That has been
the transformative element
1449
01:00:51,337 --> 01:00:54,616
that has caused
our country to be changed,
1450
01:00:54,616 --> 01:00:57,377
changed utterly,
in the words of WB Yeats.
1451
01:00:57,377 --> 01:00:58,862
When I first went abroad,
1452
01:00:58,862 --> 01:01:00,829
Ireland was the poorest
country in western Europe
1453
01:01:00,829 --> 01:01:04,833
and I ended up in Berlin
opening a Primark store.
1454
01:01:04,833 --> 01:01:06,904
I've also gone from representing
an Ireland
1455
01:01:06,904 --> 01:01:09,804
that really was identified
with its whiskey,
1456
01:01:09,804 --> 01:01:11,909
Guinness,
and very little else.
1457
01:01:11,909 --> 01:01:16,673
What brings multinationals
here? Is it the weather?
1458
01:01:16,673 --> 01:01:18,744
No. [chuckles]
1459
01:01:18,744 --> 01:01:20,780
They're coming here
for a number of reasons.
1460
01:01:20,780 --> 01:01:23,058
Literally for the first
time in 100 years,
1461
01:01:23,058 --> 01:01:27,442
the dominant industry worldwide
was extremely footloose.
1462
01:01:27,442 --> 01:01:30,756
You had companies like
Microsoft, Facebook,
1463
01:01:30,756 --> 01:01:32,619
Google, Intel,
1464
01:01:32,619 --> 01:01:36,347
all who were knowledge-based,
looking to grow globally.
1465
01:01:36,347 --> 01:01:39,074
Ireland has access
to the European market.
1466
01:01:39,074 --> 01:01:42,284
So suddenly now we are
not at the edge of Europe.
1467
01:01:42,284 --> 01:01:45,978
We're actually a small island
at the center of the world.
1468
01:01:45,978 --> 01:01:47,842
We've got
a highly educated workforce,
1469
01:01:47,842 --> 01:01:49,015
we speak English.
1470
01:01:49,015 --> 01:01:50,776
Culturally,
because of our diaspora,
1471
01:01:50,776 --> 01:01:52,260
are totally in sync,
1472
01:01:52,260 --> 01:01:55,228
and we've got the lowest
corporation tax in Europe.
1473
01:01:55,228 --> 01:01:57,575
And bingo,
you've got the perfect storm.
1474
01:01:57,575 --> 01:01:59,508
So, timing was bang-on.
1475
01:01:59,508 --> 01:02:01,441
I mean, they started thinking
in the late 1980s--
1476
01:02:01,441 --> 01:02:03,029
they said, well, okay,
there are gonna be
1477
01:02:03,029 --> 01:02:05,929
three big sectors that are
gonna be really important--
1478
01:02:05,929 --> 01:02:08,483
IT, which was
no great prizes for it,
1479
01:02:08,483 --> 01:02:12,798
but they also thought
about pharmaceuticals, biotech,
1480
01:02:12,798 --> 01:02:14,247
and they thought about a thing
1481
01:02:14,247 --> 01:02:16,422
which nobody was thinking about
that much,
1482
01:02:16,422 --> 01:02:18,942
which is medical devices.
1483
01:02:18,942 --> 01:02:22,428
In each of those areas now,
you've got eight and nine
1484
01:02:22,428 --> 01:02:25,638
of the top 10 companies
in the world in Ireland.
1485
01:02:25,638 --> 01:02:28,296
ROMERO: My wife got a Fulbright.
We both came over.
1486
01:02:28,296 --> 01:02:32,300
She was basically studying
the Irish video game ecosystem
1487
01:02:32,300 --> 01:02:34,923
to see if there's anything
that could be improved
1488
01:02:34,923 --> 01:02:36,718
in the economy
for the games industry.
1489
01:02:36,718 --> 01:02:38,858
What it means is that now
there's a tax credit for us
1490
01:02:38,858 --> 01:02:40,584
developing games in Ireland.
1491
01:02:40,584 --> 01:02:43,656
That's when we opened
our Irish game studio,
1492
01:02:43,656 --> 01:02:46,176
so we moved from
Silicon Valley right to Galway.
1493
01:02:46,176 --> 01:02:48,903
It feels like the beginning
of something really cool,
1494
01:02:48,903 --> 01:02:50,421
and the country's amazing.
1495
01:02:50,421 --> 01:02:53,114
The people are amazing.
Great place to live.
1496
01:02:53,114 --> 01:02:55,288
O'TOOLE: One of the things
with the kind of economy
1497
01:02:55,288 --> 01:02:58,498
that we've developed is that
it's two economies, isn't it?
1498
01:02:58,498 --> 01:03:00,500
And this is
an extraordinary economy.
1499
01:03:00,500 --> 01:03:04,470
You know, it produces
a lot of very well-paid people.
1500
01:03:04,470 --> 01:03:08,267
Uh, it--it obviously employs
1501
01:03:08,267 --> 01:03:11,442
highly educated people
from Ireland,
1502
01:03:11,442 --> 01:03:13,410
but also, of course,
from everywhere else,
1503
01:03:13,410 --> 01:03:16,447
which makes Ireland
very, very expensive, of course,
1504
01:03:16,447 --> 01:03:18,104
and then makes it very hard
to live
1505
01:03:18,104 --> 01:03:20,969
for people
who are not in that economy.
1506
01:03:20,969 --> 01:03:22,281
The story of the Irish Derby,
1507
01:03:22,281 --> 01:03:24,455
when we run the Irish Derby
with Zagreb
1508
01:03:24,455 --> 01:03:26,803
is a very interesting story,
because that particular day,
1509
01:03:26,803 --> 01:03:29,115
Dermot Weld did not want
to run the horse,
1510
01:03:29,115 --> 01:03:30,979
and I insisted the horse ran,
1511
01:03:30,979 --> 01:03:32,739
and the horse ran away
with it.
1512
01:03:32,739 --> 01:03:35,777
ANNOUNCER: Ladies and gentlemen,
it's your winner Aidan O'Brien!
1513
01:03:35,777 --> 01:03:37,606
It's the Dubai Duty Free
Irish Derby Day
1514
01:03:37,606 --> 01:03:39,194
here at the Curragh.
1515
01:03:39,194 --> 01:03:41,679
It's just a historic race
in the flat racing calendar.
1516
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:43,164
It's the most prestigious.
1517
01:03:43,164 --> 01:03:44,751
How does Aidan O'Brien
celebrate an Irish Derby?
1518
01:03:44,751 --> 01:03:46,546
Listen, no, we'll go up,
1519
01:03:46,546 --> 01:03:48,894
and we'll have a cup of tea now
and relax. [laughs]
1520
01:03:48,894 --> 01:03:51,206
The Irish Derby is
our most important race.
1521
01:03:51,206 --> 01:03:53,657
It's probably one of the best
race courses in the world.
1522
01:03:53,657 --> 01:03:55,762
It's one of the sports
that we're able to compete
1523
01:03:55,762 --> 01:03:58,835
at the very top, our breeding,
at show jump and racing.
1524
01:03:58,835 --> 01:04:01,838
MAGNIER: Irish horsemen do well
all over the world.
1525
01:04:01,838 --> 01:04:03,149
They're everywhere.
1526
01:04:03,149 --> 01:04:06,014
So, it's great
that the Irish Derby
1527
01:04:06,014 --> 01:04:08,189
is as important a race as it is.
1528
01:04:08,189 --> 01:04:09,673
When it comes
to the equine industry,
1529
01:04:09,673 --> 01:04:12,503
you know, it's--it's something
that a lot of Irish people are--
1530
01:04:12,503 --> 01:04:15,990
are just good at,
is working with horses.
1531
01:04:15,990 --> 01:04:19,165
INTERVIEWER: The horse racing
industry has been for decades
1532
01:04:19,165 --> 01:04:21,305
subsidized by the Irish government.
1533
01:04:21,305 --> 01:04:24,343
73 million euros was given
last year.
1534
01:04:24,343 --> 01:04:26,138
For every pound
the government puts in,
1535
01:04:26,138 --> 01:04:28,657
they get so much back
into the exchequer.
1536
01:04:28,657 --> 01:04:33,559
It was a very enlightened piece
of legislation, in 1969 it was,
1537
01:04:33,559 --> 01:04:36,527
when they created
an industry out of nothing.
1538
01:04:36,527 --> 01:04:40,669
The stallions were tax-free,
but at least the industry
1539
01:04:40,669 --> 01:04:44,190
got started
by getting help from government.
1540
01:04:44,190 --> 01:04:46,089
We need people
from all over the world
1541
01:04:46,089 --> 01:04:48,263
investing in their horses
in Ireland,
1542
01:04:48,263 --> 01:04:51,611
so we need to encourage it
rather than hinder it.
1543
01:04:51,611 --> 01:04:53,337
It's like wealth in general.
1544
01:04:53,337 --> 01:04:55,512
It'll come
to where it's welcome.
1545
01:04:55,512 --> 01:04:57,514
One of the main constraints
with the Irish economy
1546
01:04:57,514 --> 01:04:58,998
is that we're small.
1547
01:04:58,998 --> 01:05:02,553
So, in order to counter that,
we've had to use tax breaks
1548
01:05:02,553 --> 01:05:05,522
in order to overcome
those early disadvantages.
1549
01:05:05,522 --> 01:05:08,628
But now the Irish economy
has reached critical mass.
1550
01:05:08,628 --> 01:05:10,009
At the moment, Ireland is
1551
01:05:10,009 --> 01:05:13,254
the ninth largest investor
in the USA.
1552
01:05:13,254 --> 01:05:14,980
In 2019, for example,
1553
01:05:14,980 --> 01:05:17,879
we invested more in the USA
than France,
1554
01:05:17,879 --> 01:05:19,294
which is a real demonstration
1555
01:05:19,294 --> 01:05:22,125
that we have real substance
in the economy now.
1556
01:05:22,125 --> 01:05:24,368
More than 100,000 Americans
these days
1557
01:05:24,368 --> 01:05:27,509
are employed
by Irish origin companies.
1558
01:05:27,509 --> 01:05:29,442
What an extraordinary shift
and change
1559
01:05:29,442 --> 01:05:32,376
we've seen in a generation,
you know, from beer and biscuits
1560
01:05:32,376 --> 01:05:35,310
to now being a high tech center
in Europe.
1561
01:05:35,310 --> 01:05:36,449
INTERVIEWER:
When you think of Ireland,
1562
01:05:36,449 --> 01:05:37,968
is there anything
that comes to mind?
1563
01:05:37,968 --> 01:05:39,176
Beer.
1564
01:05:39,176 --> 01:05:41,385
Leprechauns. [laughs]
1565
01:05:41,385 --> 01:05:45,044
- The accent.
- Uh... potatoes.
1566
01:05:45,044 --> 01:05:46,701
When I first
opened my restaurant,
1567
01:05:46,701 --> 01:05:49,669
people were like, "Oh,
you're gonna serve potatoes."
1568
01:05:49,669 --> 01:05:52,396
And although they meant it
in a humorous way,
1569
01:05:52,396 --> 01:05:54,709
it's a joke that steeped
in a lot of sadness.
1570
01:05:54,709 --> 01:05:57,194
It's a--It's a joke
that we were so reliant
1571
01:05:57,194 --> 01:05:59,334
on the potato
because of the nutrition.
1572
01:05:59,334 --> 01:06:01,681
There was so much nutrition
in a potato
1573
01:06:01,681 --> 01:06:03,994
that with a small patch
of land out your back garden,
1574
01:06:03,994 --> 01:06:05,375
you could feed a family of 10,
1575
01:06:05,375 --> 01:06:07,687
and that's why
we were so dependent on it.
1576
01:06:07,687 --> 01:06:09,724
So, there's something
deeply sad about someone
1577
01:06:09,724 --> 01:06:12,589
joking about me loving
and Irish people loving potatoes
1578
01:06:12,589 --> 01:06:15,247
when we loved it because it was
actually how we survived.
1579
01:06:15,247 --> 01:06:18,698
Um, so it's what--
That was a bit dark and gloomy.
1580
01:06:18,698 --> 01:06:21,253
Sorry about that.
But it is a bit sad,
1581
01:06:21,253 --> 01:06:23,117
the idea that people think
they're cracking a joke
1582
01:06:23,117 --> 01:06:27,293
when actually they're kind of
slagging off our--our dark past.
1583
01:06:27,293 --> 01:06:28,743
I tell you one thing for sure,
1584
01:06:28,743 --> 01:06:30,538
I'm shocked how many
English people slag off
1585
01:06:30,538 --> 01:06:32,505
Irish people's drinking.
[laughs]
1586
01:06:32,505 --> 01:06:35,784
I'm like, um...
I've been to the English pubs.
1587
01:06:35,784 --> 01:06:38,063
I think they're quite fond
of a tipple themselves.
1588
01:06:38,063 --> 01:06:40,513
They say the definition
of a real Irishman is somebody
1589
01:06:40,513 --> 01:06:42,377
who doesn't go to bed
the same day they get up.
1590
01:06:42,377 --> 01:06:45,346
We do like
our social activities.
1591
01:06:45,346 --> 01:06:48,418
We do like to lubricate them
sometimes with alcohol.
1592
01:06:48,418 --> 01:06:51,490
Aye, he's a good drinker.
[laughs]
1593
01:06:51,490 --> 01:06:53,285
- Not anymore. I think he's--
- Used to be.
1594
01:06:53,285 --> 01:06:55,425
- I think he's getting shaky now.
- No.
1595
01:06:55,425 --> 01:06:58,117
Well, we all know
the Irish quite like
1596
01:06:58,117 --> 01:07:00,568
a little drop of red wine
every now and again.
1597
01:07:00,568 --> 01:07:02,294
There's like
an ongoing joke globally,
1598
01:07:02,294 --> 01:07:03,812
that, like, all the Irish
are all alcoholics.
1599
01:07:03,812 --> 01:07:06,367
Like, it's not--it's not
a great reputation to have,
1600
01:07:06,367 --> 01:07:10,957
but, you know, it's not
necessarily completely wrong.
1601
01:07:10,957 --> 01:07:15,134
Ireland is a country that is
oftentimes put in a box.
1602
01:07:15,134 --> 01:07:16,963
We love that box.
We thrive in that box.
1603
01:07:16,963 --> 01:07:19,794
We use it for tourism. We use
it for industry, absolutely,
1604
01:07:19,794 --> 01:07:21,209
but it's ours to use.
1605
01:07:21,209 --> 01:07:23,418
People are very ready
to weaponize
1606
01:07:23,418 --> 01:07:25,972
what they understand
about Ireland
1607
01:07:25,972 --> 01:07:29,528
but are never willing to learn
what they don't understand.
1608
01:07:29,528 --> 01:07:33,221
I remember I was at an event
at the Irish Embassy here,
1609
01:07:33,221 --> 01:07:34,912
and there was
an Englishwoman there,
1610
01:07:34,912 --> 01:07:37,846
I said something about something
being very different in Ireland,
1611
01:07:37,846 --> 01:07:40,884
and she was just like,
"But how is it different?"
1612
01:07:40,884 --> 01:07:44,267
And I was just like,
"It's a different country."
1613
01:07:44,267 --> 01:07:45,820
You're telling someone
where you're from,
1614
01:07:45,820 --> 01:07:48,340
and if they go,
"Oh, yeah, so Britain." No.
1615
01:07:48,340 --> 01:07:49,789
I didn't realize that there was
1616
01:07:49,789 --> 01:07:51,377
that ignorance
outside of Ireland.
1617
01:07:51,377 --> 01:07:53,103
Like, it was painful to see
1618
01:07:53,103 --> 01:07:55,001
Paul Mescal be mistaken
as British.
1619
01:07:55,001 --> 01:07:56,762
INTERVIEWER: The French
claimed Samuel Beckett
1620
01:07:56,762 --> 01:07:58,626
because he often wrote
in French.
1621
01:07:58,626 --> 01:08:01,146
The English--in fact,
we interviewed Sadiq Khan,
1622
01:08:01,146 --> 01:08:05,046
the London mayor, who called
Oscar Wilde a Londoner. Um...
1623
01:08:05,046 --> 01:08:07,013
[laughs]
1624
01:08:07,013 --> 01:08:08,774
He doesn't get out much.
1625
01:08:08,774 --> 01:08:12,329
If they wish to appropriate
us Irishmen and women
1626
01:08:12,329 --> 01:08:15,367
and make them theirs,
then so be it.
1627
01:08:15,367 --> 01:08:17,576
There's enough of us
to go round.
1628
01:08:17,576 --> 01:08:20,130
Gotta have a sense of humor
about these things.
1629
01:08:20,130 --> 01:08:23,754
Really, take it lightly.
Take it lightly.
1630
01:08:23,754 --> 01:08:25,170
My father told me a story
1631
01:08:25,170 --> 01:08:28,690
when he first came to London
in the '60s--the signs he saw
1632
01:08:28,690 --> 01:08:32,004
outside the guest houses
and the B&B's.
1633
01:08:32,004 --> 01:08:36,008
"No Blacks, no Irish, no dogs."
1634
01:08:36,008 --> 01:08:40,840
It was a sharp...
intake of breath
1635
01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:43,464
to be the outsider
1636
01:08:43,464 --> 01:08:48,158
and to realize
that you were different
1637
01:08:48,158 --> 01:08:52,576
and somehow maybe didn't belong.
1638
01:08:52,576 --> 01:08:54,440
It was, uh, you know,
from being taught
1639
01:08:54,440 --> 01:08:57,305
by the Christian Brothers
in Navan,
1640
01:08:57,305 --> 01:09:00,688
which is a whole other story,
uh... [laughs]
1641
01:09:00,688 --> 01:09:02,759
You know, uh...
1642
01:09:02,759 --> 01:09:05,969
few children to this
comprehensive school system
1643
01:09:05,969 --> 01:09:08,178
of 2,000 children.
1644
01:09:09,524 --> 01:09:12,113
It was a short, sharp shock.
1645
01:09:12,113 --> 01:09:13,770
INTERVIEWER: Being Irish,
1646
01:09:13,770 --> 01:09:16,911
how were you received
in your new school in London?
1647
01:09:16,911 --> 01:09:19,914
Oh, I was definitely made
to feel Irish.
1648
01:09:19,914 --> 01:09:23,193
They didn't let you forget
that you were Irish,
1649
01:09:23,193 --> 01:09:27,680
which I wore
as an emblem of pride.
1650
01:09:27,680 --> 01:09:29,924
They wouldn't say my name,
Pierce,
1651
01:09:29,924 --> 01:09:31,822
or couldn't say my name, Pierce.
1652
01:09:31,822 --> 01:09:33,893
[chuckles]
I was known as "Irish."
1653
01:09:33,893 --> 01:09:37,207
That was my nickname,
and, uh, and--
1654
01:09:37,207 --> 01:09:39,865
and I took it
and wore it with pride.
1655
01:09:39,865 --> 01:09:41,798
You learn how to adapt,
1656
01:09:41,798 --> 01:09:46,527
and I suppose in some respects
it was the start of performance
1657
01:09:46,527 --> 01:09:49,357
'cause I had to assimilate.
I had to blend in.
1658
01:09:49,357 --> 01:09:51,083
I had to lose the accent.
1659
01:09:51,083 --> 01:09:52,222
Ended up talking like that,
ya know?
1660
01:09:52,222 --> 01:09:55,605
All right, mate?
All right, yeah.
1661
01:09:55,605 --> 01:09:58,573
So, I was with all the lads.
1662
01:09:58,573 --> 01:10:01,576
I enjoyed that company
and that life,
1663
01:10:01,576 --> 01:10:04,855
and I kind of
created a mystique for myself,
1664
01:10:04,855 --> 01:10:06,202
falling in with the guys
1665
01:10:06,202 --> 01:10:08,583
that were the hard guys,
the hard nuts,
1666
01:10:08,583 --> 01:10:10,447
but I wasn't really a hard nut.
1667
01:10:10,447 --> 01:10:13,692
I just, uh...
1668
01:10:13,692 --> 01:10:17,834
I just went with them
to protect myself.
1669
01:10:17,834 --> 01:10:20,526
Older Irish people that I met
when I was ambassador in London
1670
01:10:20,526 --> 01:10:22,459
have told me about seeing
these signs of, you know,
1671
01:10:22,459 --> 01:10:24,634
"No Irish need apply here."
1672
01:10:24,634 --> 01:10:26,739
That's changed because
Irish people have changed it.
1673
01:10:26,739 --> 01:10:29,155
Phil Lynott not only showed up
as an Irishman in the UK,
1674
01:10:29,155 --> 01:10:31,468
but he showed up
as a Black Irishman.
1675
01:10:31,468 --> 01:10:33,159
Shane MacGowan,
second generation Irish,
1676
01:10:33,159 --> 01:10:34,782
forming The Pogues
1677
01:10:34,782 --> 01:10:36,611
and coming out
with "Fairytale of New York,"
1678
01:10:36,611 --> 01:10:38,579
and, really,
through the Irish creativity
1679
01:10:38,579 --> 01:10:41,616
and hard work and so on,
they broke down those barriers.
1680
01:10:41,616 --> 01:10:44,654
There's over 7,000
Irish pubs outside of Ireland.
1681
01:10:44,654 --> 01:10:46,966
I think there's more Irish pubs
outside of Ireland
1682
01:10:46,966 --> 01:10:48,174
than inside of Ireland.
1683
01:10:48,174 --> 01:10:49,555
Yeah, anytime you're away
anywhere,
1684
01:10:49,555 --> 01:10:50,591
and you see an Irish pub,
you're just like,
1685
01:10:50,591 --> 01:10:52,834
ah, there--there we are.
1686
01:10:52,834 --> 01:10:54,526
But, um, I guess
they're just pubs here.
1687
01:10:54,526 --> 01:10:56,217
They're just not Ir--
uh, typically Irish,
1688
01:10:56,217 --> 01:10:58,599
but they're just pubs. [laughs]
1689
01:10:58,599 --> 01:11:00,359
Everybody that opens
an Irish pub
1690
01:11:00,359 --> 01:11:02,465
should have it in a contract
1691
01:11:02,465 --> 01:11:04,605
that they have to go spend
some time in Ireland
1692
01:11:04,605 --> 01:11:06,089
to learn how
to pour proper pints.
1693
01:11:06,089 --> 01:11:08,022
It's a point of gathering,
you know, when you go--
1694
01:11:08,022 --> 01:11:10,093
when you see an Irish pub
somewhere, you know--
1695
01:11:10,093 --> 01:11:12,923
you know that you're gonna have
a good time, good beer.
1696
01:11:12,923 --> 01:11:15,616
It's quite fun to see
there's a real atmosphere,
1697
01:11:15,616 --> 01:11:17,721
Also, of course,
a place where you are able
1698
01:11:17,721 --> 01:11:19,827
to meet other Irish people.
1699
01:11:19,827 --> 01:11:21,967
INTERVIEWER: Have you been
to an Irish pub ever?
1700
01:11:21,967 --> 01:11:26,558
Just in Dublin, but I don't
drink beer, just wine. Sorry.
1701
01:11:26,558 --> 01:11:28,353
Ah, yes, sure. [laughs]
1702
01:11:28,353 --> 01:11:32,529
Because I lived in Dublin,
so it's very great experience.
1703
01:11:32,529 --> 01:11:34,531
So, Guinness--it's good.
[laughs]
1704
01:11:34,531 --> 01:11:37,603
I love Guinness. [laughs]
I love the stout.
1705
01:11:37,603 --> 01:11:39,364
Everybody loves "Gin-ness."
1706
01:11:39,364 --> 01:11:41,504
What is it to be Irish, actually?
1707
01:11:41,504 --> 01:11:43,402
Well, it's not just having
a pint of Guinness,
1708
01:11:43,402 --> 01:11:45,611
that's for sure.
1709
01:11:45,611 --> 01:11:47,958
Any Irish person
mention they're Irish,
1710
01:11:47,958 --> 01:11:50,685
and the word "Guinness" is
usually one of the first things
1711
01:11:50,685 --> 01:11:51,962
that people bring up.
1712
01:11:51,962 --> 01:11:54,724
Implies that we're drunks,
basically, yeah.
1713
01:11:54,724 --> 01:11:57,520
Guinness is not Irish-owned
anymore, but it doesn't matter.
1714
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:59,418
It's a global brand
that's made its way
1715
01:11:59,418 --> 01:12:00,902
all the way around the world
1716
01:12:00,902 --> 01:12:03,042
and a bit like the--
the diaspora,
1717
01:12:03,042 --> 01:12:04,837
we're all so proud of that.
1718
01:12:04,837 --> 01:12:08,116
INTERVIEWER: I believe you own
the Cashel Palace Hotel.
1719
01:12:08,116 --> 01:12:11,085
Is it true that the first pint
of Guinness
1720
01:12:11,085 --> 01:12:13,156
was drawn from the well there?
1721
01:12:13,156 --> 01:12:16,780
Uh, so--so, legend has it.
You should come and taste it,
1722
01:12:16,780 --> 01:12:19,921
and you'll see for yourself
that it's different down there.
1723
01:12:19,921 --> 01:12:21,647
My name's Rory Guinness,
1724
01:12:21,647 --> 01:12:24,685
and I am
a humble brewer from Dublin.
1725
01:12:24,685 --> 01:12:27,860
We've been involved
with the City Centre of Dublin
1726
01:12:27,860 --> 01:12:31,933
since my great-great-
great-great-great-grandfather
1727
01:12:31,933 --> 01:12:34,626
Arthur Guinness
arrived from County Kildare
1728
01:12:34,626 --> 01:12:38,319
and signed a 9,000-year lease
1729
01:12:38,319 --> 01:12:43,013
on a bankrupt, derelict brewery
in St. James's Gate in Dublin.
1730
01:12:43,013 --> 01:12:44,877
One of the biggest things
that I want to do
1731
01:12:44,877 --> 01:12:47,155
is try Guinness,
is go to the factory,
1732
01:12:47,155 --> 01:12:49,572
because I'm a massive--
I drink a lot of Guinness.
1733
01:12:49,572 --> 01:12:51,056
I want to do the tour.
1734
01:12:51,056 --> 01:12:52,540
GUINNESS:
It's always great to think
1735
01:12:52,540 --> 01:12:54,335
about who's enjoying
a pint of Guinness.
1736
01:12:54,335 --> 01:12:57,027
Kim Kardashian, I saw the other
week, was enjoying a drop.
1737
01:12:57,027 --> 01:12:59,892
Gwyneth Paltrow loves a glass of
Guinness to steady her nerves.
1738
01:12:59,892 --> 01:13:02,964
Prince Albert of Monaco--
he loves a pint, too,
1739
01:13:02,964 --> 01:13:04,897
and he's a cousin
through marriage.
1740
01:13:04,897 --> 01:13:07,762
He's drinking the family drink.
1741
01:13:07,762 --> 01:13:11,870
Absolutely. Princess Florestine,
my ancestor in the 19th century,
1742
01:13:11,870 --> 01:13:14,666
she married the Duke of Urach
of Wurttemberg.
1743
01:13:14,666 --> 01:13:16,702
Their great-great-grandson
1744
01:13:16,702 --> 01:13:18,359
married
into the Guinness family.
1745
01:13:18,359 --> 01:13:21,638
I had forgotten about that
when I had my first Guinness,
1746
01:13:21,638 --> 01:13:25,746
but now it takes on
a very special meaning. [laughs]
1747
01:13:25,746 --> 01:13:28,196
I am Chairman
of the Iveagh Trust,
1748
01:13:28,196 --> 01:13:31,752
which was started
by my great-great-grandfather.
1749
01:13:31,752 --> 01:13:33,339
The Iveagh Trust, to this day,
1750
01:13:33,339 --> 01:13:36,653
is one of Dublin's largest
social housing providers.
1751
01:13:36,653 --> 01:13:39,000
Previous generations
of the Guinness family
1752
01:13:39,000 --> 01:13:40,623
understood the importance
1753
01:13:40,623 --> 01:13:44,350
of space for recreation,
space to meet your neighbors,
1754
01:13:44,350 --> 01:13:46,283
space to provide
the breathing lungs
1755
01:13:46,283 --> 01:13:47,699
for the city.
1756
01:13:47,699 --> 01:13:50,529
I think of St Stephen's Green,
Iveagh House,
1757
01:13:50,529 --> 01:13:52,911
the Iveagh Gardens, St Anne's.
1758
01:13:52,911 --> 01:13:54,740
- [bell tolling in distance]
- Do you hear the bells?
1759
01:13:54,740 --> 01:13:58,710
Those are the bells given
by my great-great-grandfather
1760
01:13:58,710 --> 01:14:00,574
to St Patrick's Cathedral,
1761
01:14:00,574 --> 01:14:02,921
and they're still
chiming to this day.
1762
01:14:02,921 --> 01:14:04,509
INTERVIEWER: Rory,
is Guinness good for you?
1763
01:14:04,509 --> 01:14:07,857
Oh, you would love that.
[laughs]
1764
01:14:07,857 --> 01:14:10,515
Guinness is good
for the people of Dublin
1765
01:14:10,515 --> 01:14:13,172
and the Irish community
around the world.
1766
01:14:13,172 --> 01:14:17,522
After all, Guinness is
a quintessentially Irish drink.
1767
01:14:17,522 --> 01:14:19,247
When you're doing business
with people,
1768
01:14:19,247 --> 01:14:21,318
and you see an Irish name,
or you see a connection,
1769
01:14:21,318 --> 01:14:23,528
and my wife laughs at me a lot
because the first question
1770
01:14:23,528 --> 01:14:24,977
I always ask,
"Are you from Ireland?"
1771
01:14:24,977 --> 01:14:26,531
And they're not
from Ireland at all.
1772
01:14:26,531 --> 01:14:29,188
They're just called Gallagher or
something from many years ago.
1773
01:14:29,188 --> 01:14:30,535
People sometimes laugh.
1774
01:14:30,535 --> 01:14:31,950
We say, Irish wineries.
What do you mean?
1775
01:14:31,950 --> 01:14:33,779
The fact that the Irish
were so prominent
1776
01:14:33,779 --> 01:14:36,092
in the wine industry
around the world.
1777
01:14:36,092 --> 01:14:38,957
In California were
the Barrett family from Galway
1778
01:14:38,957 --> 01:14:42,201
or Montelena, 'cause I remember
Mendoza in Argentina
1779
01:14:42,201 --> 01:14:44,272
sitting with the owner
of a winery,
1780
01:14:44,272 --> 01:14:45,998
and I was asking him,
"What's your name?
1781
01:14:45,998 --> 01:14:49,968
He said, "My name is
José Luis Hernandez Murphy."
1782
01:14:49,968 --> 01:14:52,591
[laughs]
Doesn't that just sum it up?
1783
01:14:52,591 --> 01:14:54,766
The highest selling white wine
in Ireland
1784
01:14:54,766 --> 01:14:57,251
is called Santa Rita 120.
1785
01:14:57,251 --> 01:15:01,082
refers to the 120 men
with Bernardo O'Higgins
1786
01:15:01,082 --> 01:15:04,223
who hid in a winery
as the Spaniards passed through
1787
01:15:04,223 --> 01:15:06,398
and then came out, regrouped
and defeated the Spaniards
1788
01:15:06,398 --> 01:15:08,124
and got independence for Chile,
1789
01:15:08,124 --> 01:15:11,576
Bernardo O'Higgins traces
all his origins back to Sligo.
1790
01:15:11,576 --> 01:15:13,336
What a story.
1791
01:15:13,336 --> 01:15:16,235
So, the Wild Geese--many of them
went into the wine industry,
1792
01:15:16,235 --> 01:15:17,720
particularly in France,
1793
01:15:17,720 --> 01:15:18,962
particularly
in the Bordeaux area,
1794
01:15:18,962 --> 01:15:22,034
and they became known
as the "Winegeese."
1795
01:15:22,034 --> 01:15:25,175
♪
1796
01:15:32,044 --> 01:15:34,219
Throughout Bordeaux,
there's monuments,
1797
01:15:34,219 --> 01:15:37,774
street names, pubs that carry
this Irish heritage,
1798
01:15:37,774 --> 01:15:40,812
Médoc is a land of immigrants.
1799
01:15:40,812 --> 01:15:43,297
It's not the American dream,
but it's the Médoc dream.
1800
01:15:43,297 --> 01:15:47,957
♪
1801
01:15:47,957 --> 01:15:51,029
We are now
actually in the vat room
1802
01:15:51,029 --> 01:15:53,376
of Château Langoa
and Léoville Barton,
1803
01:15:53,376 --> 01:15:56,517
and you can see how close it is
from the Gironde Estuary,
1804
01:15:56,517 --> 01:15:58,070
which is very important.
1805
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:59,416
It has always been
very important for us
1806
01:15:59,416 --> 01:16:01,902
because it's really
thanks to this estuary
1807
01:16:01,902 --> 01:16:04,283
that we have this wonderful
climate and terroir,
1808
01:16:04,283 --> 01:16:07,355
but it's also the river
that saw our first ancestor,
1809
01:16:07,355 --> 01:16:09,357
Thomas Barton, arrive.
1810
01:16:09,357 --> 01:16:11,877
And here's the river
that started everything.
1811
01:16:11,877 --> 01:16:13,948
During the French Revolution,
1812
01:16:13,948 --> 01:16:16,364
the grandson went back
to Ireland,
1813
01:16:16,364 --> 01:16:19,816
and he actually bought a farm
that became very important
1814
01:16:19,816 --> 01:16:22,163
in our family,
which is Straffen House.
1815
01:16:22,163 --> 01:16:24,683
It still has this feel
of home in a way,
1816
01:16:24,683 --> 01:16:25,891
although it's not ours anymore.
1817
01:16:25,891 --> 01:16:28,031
It's now the famous K Club.
1818
01:16:28,031 --> 01:16:31,069
The K Club has
Barton objects, rooms,
1819
01:16:31,069 --> 01:16:34,141
and, of course,
a lot of Barton wines.
1820
01:16:34,141 --> 01:16:37,109
It's a lovely building.
My father was born there.
1821
01:16:37,109 --> 01:16:39,974
My grandparents
spent a lot of time there.
1822
01:16:39,974 --> 01:16:43,115
The house was purchased in 1989
by Dr. Michael Smurfit.
1823
01:16:43,115 --> 01:16:45,946
Loved his wines, in particular
his older Bordeauxs,
1824
01:16:45,946 --> 01:16:48,258
which is why we have
such an amazing collection
1825
01:16:48,258 --> 01:16:49,570
in the cellar downstairs.
1826
01:16:49,570 --> 01:16:51,089
I have fond memories
of the K club
1827
01:16:51,089 --> 01:16:53,298
and of having many
a fine meal there.
1828
01:16:53,298 --> 01:16:56,577
Lovely estate. Decided to
turn it into a golf complex.
1829
01:16:56,577 --> 01:16:59,476
The K Club turned out
to be a spectacular success.
1830
01:16:59,476 --> 01:17:03,066
Part of my DNA, if you will,
with the Barton family.
1831
01:17:03,066 --> 01:17:06,656
Well, I was actually drinking
Léoville Barton last night.
1832
01:17:06,656 --> 01:17:07,968
I only finished half
a bottle of it,
1833
01:17:07,968 --> 01:17:09,521
so I'll finish
the other half bottle tonight.
1834
01:17:09,521 --> 01:17:13,421
♪
1835
01:17:13,421 --> 01:17:16,735
Hello, I'm Ronan Dallais,
working in the Château Clarke.
1836
01:17:16,735 --> 01:17:18,979
I'm Irish, grew up in Dublin.
1837
01:17:18,979 --> 01:17:20,601
Hundreds of years ago,
the Château Clarke
1838
01:17:20,601 --> 01:17:22,189
was owned by an Irish family.
1839
01:17:22,189 --> 01:17:23,777
Now the Château Clarke
is currently owned
1840
01:17:23,777 --> 01:17:26,227
by the Rothschild family,
but we are proud to keep
1841
01:17:26,227 --> 01:17:28,644
the name of Château Clarke
and the Irish heritage.
1842
01:17:28,644 --> 01:17:30,646
♪
1843
01:17:30,646 --> 01:17:32,130
CAZES-HACHEMIAN:
The Lynch-Bages estate
1844
01:17:32,130 --> 01:17:34,546
has a world-renowned
reputation.
1845
01:17:34,546 --> 01:17:36,134
For us, it's very important
1846
01:17:36,134 --> 01:17:39,413
to stay true to our roots,
and our roots are Irish.
1847
01:17:39,413 --> 01:17:41,173
We say, "Lynch-Bages,"
but we actually should say...
1848
01:17:41,173 --> 01:17:42,796
[English pronunciation]
Lynch-Bages.
1849
01:17:42,796 --> 01:17:45,868
So, it comes from
the Lynch family from Galway.
1850
01:17:45,868 --> 01:17:49,734
They established themselves
in Bordeaux in 1691.
1851
01:17:49,734 --> 01:17:52,253
Thomas Lynch
had a number of children.
1852
01:17:52,253 --> 01:17:55,325
Two of them became famous
in the history of the region.
1853
01:17:55,325 --> 01:17:58,466
Jean-Bapiste Lynch
became mayor of Bordeaux,
1854
01:17:58,466 --> 01:18:02,401
and his son Michel
became mayor of Pauillac,
1855
01:18:02,401 --> 01:18:03,851
which is a commonality
with my family,
1856
01:18:03,851 --> 01:18:06,267
because my grandfather,
André Cazes,
1857
01:18:06,267 --> 01:18:09,339
was also mayor of Pauillac
for 42 years.
1858
01:18:09,339 --> 01:18:13,205
So my great-grandfather,
Jean-Charles Cazes, was a baker.
1859
01:18:13,205 --> 01:18:15,760
He had the unfortunate event
in his life
1860
01:18:15,760 --> 01:18:19,177
that his bakery burned down,
so he had to reinvent himself.
1861
01:18:19,177 --> 01:18:21,904
He became a tenant farmer
at Lynch-Bages
1862
01:18:21,904 --> 01:18:24,561
and he was able to acquire
Château Lynch-Bages
1863
01:18:24,561 --> 01:18:27,944
in the late 30s,
which today is a good decision,
1864
01:18:27,944 --> 01:18:31,085
because I would be
selling bread instead of, uh,
1865
01:18:31,085 --> 01:18:33,432
talking to you
and drinking some good wines.
1866
01:18:33,432 --> 01:18:34,917
A few decades ago,
1867
01:18:34,917 --> 01:18:38,127
my father wanted to honor
the Lynch family roots.
1868
01:18:38,127 --> 01:18:41,958
He visited Galway and was told
that there was a Mrs. Lynch
1869
01:18:41,958 --> 01:18:44,202
still living
in a house down the street.
1870
01:18:44,202 --> 01:18:48,033
And he showed up unannounced
at Mrs. Lynch's doorstep,
1871
01:18:48,033 --> 01:18:49,552
and Mrs. Lynch opened the door.
1872
01:18:49,552 --> 01:18:51,830
He introduced himself
as Jean-Michel Cazes
1873
01:18:51,830 --> 01:18:53,452
from Château Lynch-Bages
in Pauillac,
1874
01:18:53,452 --> 01:18:57,008
and she said very nicely,
"I was expecting you."
1875
01:18:57,008 --> 01:18:58,941
So, she invited him for tea,
1876
01:18:58,941 --> 01:19:02,427
and the friendship started
that day.
1877
01:19:02,427 --> 01:19:07,846
There is a real deep Irish
connection with the château.
1878
01:19:07,846 --> 01:19:10,884
The founder
of Château Phélan Ségur
1879
01:19:10,884 --> 01:19:13,093
back in the very early
19th century
1880
01:19:13,093 --> 01:19:17,062
was Bernard O'Phelan,
a wine merchant,
1881
01:19:17,062 --> 01:19:19,409
and he purchased a small estate
1882
01:19:19,409 --> 01:19:23,103
thanks to the help
of his father-in-law.
1883
01:19:23,103 --> 01:19:25,415
If you ever come to visit
Phélan Ségur,
1884
01:19:25,415 --> 01:19:28,660
you'll be experiencing
our tribute to Ireland.
1885
01:19:28,660 --> 01:19:31,076
We refurbished a whole room,
1886
01:19:31,076 --> 01:19:33,009
and now
it's called the Irish Room,
1887
01:19:33,009 --> 01:19:36,979
and we are showing a collection
of original plates
1888
01:19:36,979 --> 01:19:39,878
with what we call
the monogram of Phélan.
1889
01:19:39,878 --> 01:19:42,743
On the plate,
at the bottom of the monogram,
1890
01:19:42,743 --> 01:19:45,021
you will discover
the Claddagh ring.
1891
01:19:45,021 --> 01:19:48,542
All Irish people who come
and stay with us for lunch
1892
01:19:48,542 --> 01:19:51,787
and see these plates,
they find the Claddagh ring.
1893
01:19:51,787 --> 01:19:53,616
I'm telling you, they are happy.
1894
01:19:53,616 --> 01:19:57,240
And the atmosphere is
really an Irish atmosphere.
1895
01:19:57,240 --> 01:20:00,105
Another tribute
to our Irish roots
1896
01:20:00,105 --> 01:20:03,074
is this St. Patrick's gift box
that we designed.
1897
01:20:03,074 --> 01:20:07,975
It doesn't show a 3-leaf clover,
but a 4-leaf clover,
1898
01:20:07,975 --> 01:20:10,840
because we need
and we bring luck.
1899
01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:13,878
When Bernard came to France,
1900
01:20:13,878 --> 01:20:16,777
it was thanks to his friend,
Hugh Barton.
1901
01:20:16,777 --> 01:20:20,574
Just incredible that years
and years and years after that,
1902
01:20:20,574 --> 01:20:23,542
we are so close
to the Barton family.
1903
01:20:23,542 --> 01:20:26,166
To be among
these Irish families, you know,
1904
01:20:26,166 --> 01:20:30,135
it's something that is strong
and--and very important
1905
01:20:30,135 --> 01:20:32,379
to our--to our heart.
1906
01:20:32,379 --> 01:20:35,451
INTERVIEWER: Phélan Ségur
is still Phélan Ségur.
1907
01:20:35,451 --> 01:20:37,487
Lynch-Bages is still
Lynch-Bages.
1908
01:20:37,487 --> 01:20:40,352
For obvious reasons, it's still
Langoa and Léoville Barton,
1909
01:20:40,352 --> 01:20:43,493
but why do you think that
heritage has been respected?
1910
01:20:43,493 --> 01:20:46,427
Goodness me. Well, perhaps
because there were names
1911
01:20:46,427 --> 01:20:48,567
that were recognized
at the time.
1912
01:20:48,567 --> 01:20:52,019
Let's say Lynch-Bages
would be just Bages. So what?
1913
01:20:52,019 --> 01:20:54,401
The "Lynch" definitely
has a history to it.
1914
01:20:54,401 --> 01:20:56,506
Look at the way
"Phélan Ségur" is written.
1915
01:20:56,506 --> 01:20:58,267
You have this kind
of very typical French accent
1916
01:20:58,267 --> 01:20:59,682
on the "é."
1917
01:20:59,682 --> 01:21:03,237
So, I think it tells a lot
about how these Irish families
1918
01:21:03,237 --> 01:21:07,310
really got integrated
in the landscape of Bordeaux.
1919
01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:10,762
I think they wanted to be part
of the culture of the region.
1920
01:21:10,762 --> 01:21:13,938
I also think it says
a lot about the French,
1921
01:21:13,938 --> 01:21:16,147
making sure
everything becomes French.
1922
01:21:16,147 --> 01:21:19,875
INTERVIEWER: Did you know
that the Irish make wine?
1923
01:21:19,875 --> 01:21:21,393
No. [laughs]
1924
01:21:21,393 --> 01:21:22,705
Irish wine would be
considered Guinness
1925
01:21:22,705 --> 01:21:24,051
and maybe a bit of whiskey.
1926
01:21:24,051 --> 01:21:25,535
I've never tried Irish wine.
1927
01:21:25,535 --> 01:21:27,468
I didn't even know
there was Irish wine.
1928
01:21:27,468 --> 01:21:29,263
Give me some. Wow.
1929
01:21:29,263 --> 01:21:31,783
I haven't tried Irish wine, no,
because I've never heard
1930
01:21:31,783 --> 01:21:33,302
of an Irish wine before.
1931
01:21:33,302 --> 01:21:35,511
Oh, no, never. [laughs]
1932
01:21:35,511 --> 01:21:36,926
- Never.
- Never.
1933
01:21:40,965 --> 01:21:41,966
[laughter]
1934
01:21:41,966 --> 01:21:44,451
- Fromage.
- Fromage.
1935
01:21:44,451 --> 01:21:46,625
INTERVIEWER:
You know Château Lynch-Barge?
1936
01:21:46,625 --> 01:21:48,213
- Of course.
- Château Phélan Ségur?
1937
01:21:48,213 --> 01:21:51,009
- Of course.
- Château Kirwan.
1938
01:21:51,009 --> 01:21:53,356
- Yeah.
- Château Léoville Barton.
1939
01:21:53,356 --> 01:21:55,565
- Yeah.
- Château Clarke.
1940
01:21:55,565 --> 01:21:57,015
Yeah.
1941
01:21:57,015 --> 01:22:01,054
INTERVIEWER:
Are they Irish wine?
1942
01:22:01,054 --> 01:22:04,574
Why Irish? No.
1943
01:22:04,574 --> 01:22:07,957
- Where are they from?
- Uh, uh, Médoc.
1944
01:22:07,957 --> 01:22:10,511
INTERVIEWER:
All of these châteaux
1945
01:22:10,511 --> 01:22:12,962
were set up by Irish people,
so--
1946
01:22:12,962 --> 01:22:16,276
Yeah, but the workers--
they are French.
1947
01:22:16,276 --> 01:22:18,381
INTERVIEWER:
So, even though they were--
1948
01:22:18,381 --> 01:22:22,247
And the terroir is French,
so it's French.
1949
01:22:22,247 --> 01:22:23,973
INTERVIEWER:
So, it's Irish inspiration,
1950
01:22:23,973 --> 01:22:25,699
but French terroir.
1951
01:22:25,699 --> 01:22:27,287
That's it.
1952
01:22:27,287 --> 01:22:28,736
INTERVIEWER:
If we ask you again,
1953
01:22:28,736 --> 01:22:31,118
"Have you ever tried
Irish wine," what would you say?
1954
01:22:31,118 --> 01:22:34,363
- Yes.
- Yes, very good. [laughs]
1955
01:22:34,363 --> 01:22:36,537
INTERVIEWER: What is
Ireland's greatest contribution
1956
01:22:36,537 --> 01:22:38,643
to the world?
1957
01:22:38,643 --> 01:22:40,093
It's people.
1958
01:22:40,093 --> 01:22:43,959
Everybody seems to gel
with Irish.
1959
01:22:43,959 --> 01:22:46,720
These are really
unfair questions, Frank.
1960
01:22:46,720 --> 01:22:50,206
I-I-...to--to just drop on me,
that's ridiculous.
1961
01:22:50,206 --> 01:22:51,794
INTERVIEWER: Is it U2?
1962
01:22:51,794 --> 01:22:56,178
Not U2. The art, the plays,
the literature, the paintings,
1963
01:22:56,178 --> 01:22:58,180
the sculpture, the music.
1964
01:22:58,180 --> 01:23:00,561
Our gardens and gardeners
that tell a story.
1965
01:23:00,561 --> 01:23:03,633
Still actually a story
that hasn't been told enough.
1966
01:23:03,633 --> 01:23:07,223
I often like to say
that I was the one who started
1967
01:23:07,223 --> 01:23:08,776
the rewilding movement
in Ireland,
1968
01:23:08,776 --> 01:23:11,055
but in reality, I was
about a hundred years later.
1969
01:23:11,055 --> 01:23:13,057
William Robinson was
1970
01:23:13,057 --> 01:23:15,818
the first person to create
the concept
1971
01:23:15,818 --> 01:23:17,371
of "The Wild Garden."
1972
01:23:17,371 --> 01:23:20,202
Although a lot of it
was popularized in the UK,
1973
01:23:20,202 --> 01:23:21,755
it has Irish roots.
1974
01:23:21,755 --> 01:23:24,344
We Irish can make a case
for having produced
1975
01:23:24,344 --> 01:23:26,518
the greatest poet
In William Butler Yeats,
1976
01:23:26,518 --> 01:23:28,727
the greatest novelist
in James Joyce,
1977
01:23:28,727 --> 01:23:33,525
and the greatest dramatist in
Seán O'Casey or Samuel Beckett.
1978
01:23:33,525 --> 01:23:37,736
Love Samuel Beckett.
Our son Paris--Paris Beckett--
1979
01:23:37,736 --> 01:23:40,084
he's named after Samuel.
1980
01:23:40,084 --> 01:23:41,637
Keely wanted to call Paris,
Paris.
1981
01:23:41,637 --> 01:23:43,432
I think
it's a magnificent name.
1982
01:23:43,432 --> 01:23:46,573
I said, that's a very powerful
name for a boy.
1983
01:23:46,573 --> 01:23:49,714
So, I think it has
to have a little something else,
1984
01:23:49,714 --> 01:23:53,614
and Beckett I love,
so Paris Beckett Brosnan.
1985
01:23:53,614 --> 01:23:55,685
We have Bram Stoker,
created "Dracula."
1986
01:23:55,685 --> 01:23:57,687
You have my own
great-grandfather who was
1987
01:23:57,687 --> 01:23:59,724
one of the pioneers
of the fantasy literature--
1988
01:23:59,724 --> 01:24:01,553
Lord Dunsany,
influenced Tolkien,
1989
01:24:01,553 --> 01:24:05,005
had five plays on Broadway
consecutively.
1990
01:24:05,005 --> 01:24:06,765
Not even Shakespeare had that.
1991
01:24:06,765 --> 01:24:08,664
Ireland is a small island,
really,
1992
01:24:08,664 --> 01:24:10,631
on the periphery
of northern Europe,
1993
01:24:10,631 --> 01:24:12,978
but we are united
by a common bond,
1994
01:24:12,978 --> 01:24:15,153
which is a pride of who we are.
1995
01:24:15,153 --> 01:24:17,086
Because no matter
where you go in the world,
1996
01:24:17,086 --> 01:24:19,261
whether it be
in the world of literature
1997
01:24:19,261 --> 01:24:22,160
or the world of music
or the world of sport,
1998
01:24:22,160 --> 01:24:24,438
we have made an impact
at every level,
1999
01:24:24,438 --> 01:24:25,957
despite our smallness.
2000
01:24:25,957 --> 01:24:27,200
We've always punched
above our weight
2001
01:24:27,200 --> 01:24:28,753
as a small nation, haven't we?
2002
01:24:28,753 --> 01:24:31,583
You know, a 21-year-old son
of a Syrian migrant
2003
01:24:31,583 --> 01:24:34,690
created a company, Apple,
and it started at zero.
2004
01:24:34,690 --> 01:24:38,418
I mean, Ryanair here in Ireland
set off in 1985,
2005
01:24:38,418 --> 01:24:41,800
flew from Waterford with
18 passengers in one plane.
2006
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,183
So, I love that notion. Nobody
started a large organization.
2007
01:24:45,183 --> 01:24:49,256
Tony O'Reilly was just one of
the world's great communicators.
2008
01:24:49,256 --> 01:24:51,120
He was under pressure
launching Kerrygold,
2009
01:24:51,120 --> 01:24:53,088
which was the name
he came up with,
2010
01:24:53,088 --> 01:24:55,469
to call it Leprechaun Butter.
2011
01:24:55,469 --> 01:24:57,920
And, I mean, that would
have been such a disaster.
2012
01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:00,716
Tony O'Reilly, Michael Smurfit,
and Tony Ryan
2013
01:25:00,716 --> 01:25:02,269
were the Three Musketeers
2014
01:25:02,269 --> 01:25:04,789
who were doing this stuff
internationally
2015
01:25:04,789 --> 01:25:07,585
when there weren't Irish players
on the world stage.
2016
01:25:07,585 --> 01:25:09,069
We all owe them
a debt of gratitude for that,
2017
01:25:09,069 --> 01:25:10,588
because they did it at a time,
2018
01:25:10,588 --> 01:25:12,659
to use Myles na Gopaleen's
expression,
2019
01:25:12,659 --> 01:25:14,350
when it was neither popular
or not profitable,
2020
01:25:14,350 --> 01:25:16,007
but they made it both.
2021
01:25:16,007 --> 01:25:19,252
Tony O'Reilly saying he
succeeded despite being Irish,
2022
01:25:19,252 --> 01:25:22,289
whereas now, people succeed
because they're Irish.
2023
01:25:24,809 --> 01:25:27,915
Very, very proud of this.
2024
01:25:27,915 --> 01:25:30,055
Jefferson Smurfit Corporation
2025
01:25:30,055 --> 01:25:33,852
was the largest, fastest
growing company in America.
2026
01:25:33,852 --> 01:25:35,164
Yeah, that's fantastic.
2027
01:25:35,164 --> 01:25:38,409
Look where Apple is.
2028
01:25:38,409 --> 01:25:40,963
$3 trillion company now.
2029
01:25:40,963 --> 01:25:44,898
Yeah, so Jefferson Smurfit--
number one. Apple 13.
2030
01:25:44,898 --> 01:25:46,417
Wow. That's incredible.
2031
01:25:46,417 --> 01:25:47,590
[laughs]
2032
01:25:47,590 --> 01:25:50,869
Slight change
of results since then.
2033
01:25:50,869 --> 01:25:52,940
Well,
they're both Irish companies.
2034
01:25:52,940 --> 01:25:55,633
That's Her Majesty The Queen
giving me the knighthood.
2035
01:25:55,633 --> 01:25:59,533
Ireland doesn't have awards
and doesn't give awards.
2036
01:25:59,533 --> 01:26:01,397
The only thing you can get
in Ireland
2037
01:26:01,397 --> 01:26:03,330
is an honorary doctorate.
2038
01:26:03,330 --> 01:26:04,987
Therefore,
it didn't seem right to me
2039
01:26:04,987 --> 01:26:08,163
that when I was knighted
by Her Majesty The Queen,
2040
01:26:08,163 --> 01:26:09,854
to use a title in Ireland,
2041
01:26:09,854 --> 01:26:12,305
where Ireland
didn't honor titles.
2042
01:26:12,305 --> 01:26:13,720
Although this is a republic now,
2043
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:16,309
and I'm often referred to
as Lord Dunsany,
2044
01:26:16,309 --> 01:26:18,242
in reality, as a republic,
2045
01:26:18,242 --> 01:26:20,692
I always introduce myself
as Randal Plunkett.
2046
01:26:20,692 --> 01:26:22,522
I allow other people,
usually Americans,
2047
01:26:22,522 --> 01:26:24,800
to call me Lord Dunsany.
2048
01:26:25,697 --> 01:26:27,492
I was born in England,
grew up in Ireland,
2049
01:26:27,492 --> 01:26:30,633
so I was moving quite a lot
as a young man,
2050
01:26:30,633 --> 01:26:32,428
and I remember the war years
very well
2051
01:26:32,428 --> 01:26:34,430
and my father being in the army,
marching past that gate
2052
01:26:34,430 --> 01:26:37,157
in St Helens in Lancashire,
where I grew up.
2053
01:26:37,157 --> 01:26:39,608
He was a big man to begin with.
He was over 6 feet.
2054
01:26:39,608 --> 01:26:42,438
My mother was very small.
My mother was just over 5 feet.
2055
01:26:42,438 --> 01:26:43,474
They used to talk
about the weather down here
2056
01:26:43,474 --> 01:26:44,785
and the weather up there.
2057
01:26:44,785 --> 01:26:47,271
They had eight children,
which I was the eldest.
2058
01:26:47,271 --> 01:26:49,652
We had a farm in Cleadon village
near Sunderland.
2059
01:26:49,652 --> 01:26:51,447
My father coined the expression,
2060
01:26:51,447 --> 01:26:53,484
"You buy brains,
and you make businessmen."
2061
01:26:53,484 --> 01:26:55,244
And he decided at age 16,
2062
01:26:55,244 --> 01:26:58,005
myself and my late brother Jeff
pulled out of Clongowes Wood,
2063
01:26:58,005 --> 01:27:00,836
went straight to the factory
floor and worked our way up.
2064
01:27:00,836 --> 01:27:03,459
And I learned at a very young
age how takeovers worked
2065
01:27:03,459 --> 01:27:05,323
and how balance sheets worked.
2066
01:27:05,323 --> 01:27:08,637
So, when my term came to be
to be running the business,
2067
01:27:08,637 --> 01:27:10,017
I knew where the goalposts were,
2068
01:27:10,017 --> 01:27:11,985
and I knew how to get
the ball over the line.
2069
01:27:11,985 --> 01:27:14,953
All these things come running
back when I talk to you.
2070
01:27:14,953 --> 01:27:18,060
Well, having nationalized
the Irish industry,
2071
01:27:18,060 --> 01:27:19,751
the government announced
2072
01:27:19,751 --> 01:27:21,822
that they're entering
into an agreement with the UK,
2073
01:27:21,822 --> 01:27:24,756
and in 10 years,
we're going to be equal tariffs.
2074
01:27:24,756 --> 01:27:26,896
Ireland made its own shoes
in those days.
2075
01:27:26,896 --> 01:27:29,036
It made its own shirts
and all these sort of things.
2076
01:27:29,036 --> 01:27:31,004
They're all going to go
by the wayside.
2077
01:27:31,004 --> 01:27:32,592
We were going to be decimated.
2078
01:27:32,592 --> 01:27:34,525
Our customer base
was going to be decimated.
2079
01:27:34,525 --> 01:27:37,044
So, I got the blessing
from my father to diversify
2080
01:27:37,044 --> 01:27:38,805
the company into the UK first
2081
01:27:38,805 --> 01:27:40,462
and then eventually
into America,
2082
01:27:40,462 --> 01:27:42,015
without which we wouldn't
have been where we are today
2083
01:27:42,015 --> 01:27:43,361
if we hadn't done that.
2084
01:27:43,361 --> 01:27:46,709
In Smurfit, I set out to be
2085
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:49,333
the best producer
of corrugated boxes
2086
01:27:49,333 --> 01:27:51,196
in the United Kingdom.
That was my goal.
2087
01:27:51,196 --> 01:27:54,027
We became the best,
and because we were the best,
2088
01:27:54,027 --> 01:27:55,511
we became the biggest.
2089
01:27:55,511 --> 01:27:57,548
One day I was in Los Angeles,
2090
01:27:57,548 --> 01:27:59,584
and one young analyst there
asked me,
2091
01:27:59,584 --> 01:28:01,034
"Have you ever thought about
buying
2092
01:28:01,034 --> 01:28:02,932
Container Corporation of America
from Mobil Oil?"
2093
01:28:02,932 --> 01:28:04,831
I was on a plane the next day
to New York,
2094
01:28:04,831 --> 01:28:06,660
and I tell you,
never looked back since then.
2095
01:28:06,660 --> 01:28:08,490
It was the greatest deal
I ever did.
2096
01:28:08,490 --> 01:28:10,802
That was the foundation
of the family fortune.
2097
01:28:10,802 --> 01:28:12,873
I gambled the company
twice in my life,
2098
01:28:12,873 --> 01:28:14,668
and that was
probably once too many.
2099
01:28:14,668 --> 01:28:17,844
In my day, nobody thought
of an Irish multinational.
2100
01:28:17,844 --> 01:28:18,845
We were the first.
2101
01:28:18,845 --> 01:28:23,228
[laughs]
You're having some fun now.
2102
01:28:23,228 --> 01:28:25,472
Is Michael Smurfit right
2103
01:28:25,472 --> 01:28:26,922
in saying that Smurfit was
the first?
2104
01:28:26,922 --> 01:28:29,787
Yes, he is,
in the 20th century.
2105
01:28:29,787 --> 01:28:33,100
We have been doing this
since 1759,
2106
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:37,691
so I would argue Guinness is
the first Irish multinational.
2107
01:28:39,900 --> 01:28:43,179
I was never one
to scream from the rooftops
2108
01:28:43,179 --> 01:28:46,079
about what we gave as
a family or as a company.
2109
01:28:46,079 --> 01:28:48,081
When they put my name
over the business school,
2110
01:28:48,081 --> 01:28:49,841
for example,
I was horrified initially.
2111
01:28:49,841 --> 01:28:52,154
True giving is about
'cause you genuinely believe
2112
01:28:52,154 --> 01:28:55,399
that you have to give back
to society what is given to you.
2113
01:28:55,399 --> 01:28:57,055
And we got
a great deal from Ireland,
2114
01:28:57,055 --> 01:28:59,644
and we should
give something back to it.
2115
01:28:59,644 --> 01:29:01,197
I was asked
by the Rotunda Hospital
2116
01:29:01,197 --> 01:29:03,234
to come to visit one day,
2117
01:29:03,234 --> 01:29:04,925
and I came into this room,
and I said, "What's this?"
2118
01:29:04,925 --> 01:29:06,375
This is incubators.
2119
01:29:06,375 --> 01:29:07,928
And they said
they're going to lose
2120
01:29:07,928 --> 01:29:10,966
about four or five babies
that month
2121
01:29:10,966 --> 01:29:13,209
because they didn't
have enough incubators.
2122
01:29:13,209 --> 01:29:14,797
I said, "You're joking me."
2123
01:29:14,797 --> 01:29:16,765
I said, "You get on a plane,
go to America,
2124
01:29:16,765 --> 01:29:20,182
buy four incubators and bring
them in, whatever it costs."
2125
01:29:20,182 --> 01:29:21,597
I couldn't sleep that night
2126
01:29:21,597 --> 01:29:23,772
just thinking
of that simple thing like that.
2127
01:29:23,772 --> 01:29:25,221
My second son, when he was born,
2128
01:29:25,221 --> 01:29:27,776
was born four months premature,
was a blue baby.
2129
01:29:27,776 --> 01:29:30,123
He got the last rites.
He was going to die,
2130
01:29:30,123 --> 01:29:32,332
and he survived
because of the incubator.
2131
01:29:32,332 --> 01:29:34,058
I went back
a couple of years later.
2132
01:29:34,058 --> 01:29:36,025
I was invited for some ceremony,
2133
01:29:36,025 --> 01:29:38,234
and there was my name
up in the... [chuckles]
2134
01:29:38,234 --> 01:29:41,030
in the--
on the plaque on the wall.
2135
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:43,308
I didn't want that.
The last thing I wanted.
2136
01:29:43,308 --> 01:29:45,103
INTERVIEWER:
What do you consider
2137
01:29:45,103 --> 01:29:46,553
your greatest achievement?
2138
01:29:46,553 --> 01:29:48,348
SMURFIT: That's
a very simple one to answer.
2139
01:29:48,348 --> 01:29:51,593
Seeing the Irish flag flying in
my factories around the world,
2140
01:29:51,593 --> 01:29:53,284
it was always something
I insisted upon--
2141
01:29:53,284 --> 01:29:54,734
the country flag,
the Irish flag,
2142
01:29:54,734 --> 01:29:57,702
and the company flag,
three masts in every factory.
2143
01:29:57,702 --> 01:29:59,463
Great pride in seeing that.
2144
01:29:59,463 --> 01:30:03,225
There's a close relationship
between Monaco and Ireland,
2145
01:30:03,225 --> 01:30:05,883
because of the history
of the Kelly family.
2146
01:30:05,883 --> 01:30:08,437
And, of course, I'm a very
close friend of the prince.
2147
01:30:08,437 --> 01:30:10,681
Give him my best wishes
when you see him.
2148
01:30:10,681 --> 01:30:13,373
Michael Smurfit
is a great friend of the family.
2149
01:30:13,373 --> 01:30:15,306
It's not only because,
of course,
2150
01:30:15,306 --> 01:30:18,067
of his consular duties here
in Monaco, but he helped
2151
01:30:18,067 --> 01:30:20,415
with the Princess Grace
Irish Library,
2152
01:30:20,415 --> 01:30:23,038
with Princess Grace Foundation,
with my foundation also,
2153
01:30:23,038 --> 01:30:24,419
And of course,
he's a great entrepreneur.
2154
01:30:24,419 --> 01:30:26,455
Love having conversations
with him
2155
01:30:26,455 --> 01:30:28,250
about his take on things.
2156
01:30:28,250 --> 01:30:31,805
♪
2157
01:30:44,300 --> 01:30:45,888
INTERVIEWER: I noticed
that you have something
2158
01:30:45,888 --> 01:30:47,407
interesting on your lapel there.
2159
01:30:47,407 --> 01:30:49,202
[chuckles]
2160
01:30:49,202 --> 01:30:52,688
Well, yeah, I wore that
just for you for today,
2161
01:30:52,688 --> 01:30:55,208
but I do wear it
for St Patrick's
2162
01:30:55,208 --> 01:30:57,659
and for other
Irish momentous occasions.
2163
01:30:57,659 --> 01:30:59,971
And then,
of course, a shamrock tie.
2164
01:30:59,971 --> 01:31:03,319
As you can see, I've got
my green Ralph Lauren...
2165
01:31:03,319 --> 01:31:04,976
- [laughter]
- ...jacket on.
2166
01:31:04,976 --> 01:31:08,083
My wife bought me this,
and I'd never really worn it.
2167
01:31:08,083 --> 01:31:09,222
[laughter]
2168
01:31:09,222 --> 01:31:11,362
Maybe I had one outing.
2169
01:31:11,362 --> 01:31:12,674
Through my mother's family,
2170
01:31:12,674 --> 01:31:14,123
through the Kellys
of County Mayo
2171
01:31:14,123 --> 01:31:15,918
and the ancestral home
in Drumilra,
2172
01:31:15,918 --> 01:31:17,610
we knew
that the Irish connection
2173
01:31:17,610 --> 01:31:19,197
was very solid.
2174
01:31:19,197 --> 01:31:23,132
Princess Grace's grandfather,
John Henry Kelly,
2175
01:31:23,132 --> 01:31:26,722
was born in Ireland
in County Mayo in 1847,
2176
01:31:26,722 --> 01:31:30,795
and at only 20 years old,
he emigrated.
2177
01:31:30,795 --> 01:31:33,315
As for all Irish immigrants
to any country,
2178
01:31:33,315 --> 01:31:36,283
but mostly to the United States,
it was extremely difficult.
2179
01:31:36,283 --> 01:31:38,734
My grandfather, yes,
he was a great entrepreneur,
2180
01:31:38,734 --> 01:31:41,150
and yes,
he was dedicated as a leader,
2181
01:31:41,150 --> 01:31:43,325
as a political figure
in Philadelphia,
2182
01:31:43,325 --> 01:31:45,465
and also the tremendous career
2183
01:31:45,465 --> 01:31:47,743
that my grandfather
had at rowing
2184
01:31:47,743 --> 01:31:49,918
is still looked upon
with incredible awe.
2185
01:31:49,918 --> 01:31:51,471
Not only a 2-time Olympian,
2186
01:31:51,471 --> 01:31:54,439
but a triple gold medalist
in the single and double sculls.
2187
01:31:54,439 --> 01:31:58,098
It's uncanny that next year
the Olympics will be in Paris.
2188
01:31:58,098 --> 01:32:00,169
I will invite
my Kelly cousins over,
2189
01:32:00,169 --> 01:32:03,966
and we will all be able to watch
the double sculls final.
2190
01:32:03,966 --> 01:32:05,623
So, that'll be a great way
to celebrate
2191
01:32:05,623 --> 01:32:09,903
the 100th anniversary of that
third and final gold medal.
2192
01:32:09,903 --> 01:32:14,632
The 1961 visit by Prince Rainier
and Princess Grace was historic
2193
01:32:14,632 --> 01:32:18,118
because it was the first ever
visit by any head of state
2194
01:32:18,118 --> 01:32:22,157
to Ireland since the creation
of the Irish Free State in 1922.
2195
01:32:22,157 --> 01:32:24,953
So, it really
put Ireland on the map.
2196
01:32:24,953 --> 01:32:26,955
PRINCE ALBERT II: It was very
apparent that she was thrilled
2197
01:32:26,955 --> 01:32:29,751
to reconnect and to introduce
my father and her family
2198
01:32:29,751 --> 01:32:32,305
to her Irish roots,
and when I go to Ireland,
2199
01:32:32,305 --> 01:32:35,964
some people still remember that
fondly and with great detail.
2200
01:32:35,964 --> 01:32:37,517
There weren't
that many heads of state
2201
01:32:37,517 --> 01:32:39,036
that went to Ireland
in those days.
2202
01:32:39,036 --> 01:32:42,246
I'm still amazed to know
that it had such an impact
2203
01:32:42,246 --> 01:32:44,662
on everyone's lives.
2204
01:32:44,662 --> 01:32:47,113
INTERVIEWER:
Did she instill in you
2205
01:32:47,113 --> 01:32:50,081
the sense of the importance
of Irishness?
2206
01:32:50,081 --> 01:32:51,945
PRINCE ALBERT II:
We knew that she had a passion
2207
01:32:51,945 --> 01:32:54,396
for everything of Irish culture.
2208
01:32:54,396 --> 01:32:55,949
She would go out of her way
and take time
2209
01:32:55,949 --> 01:32:58,780
to explain these things to us.
2210
01:32:58,780 --> 01:33:01,852
What she would be very proud of
is setting up
2211
01:33:01,852 --> 01:33:03,474
the Princess Grace
Irish Library.
2212
01:33:03,474 --> 01:33:07,098
It's a wonderful way
to celebrate my mother's legacy,
2213
01:33:07,098 --> 01:33:09,963
and I think
she'd be very proud of that.
2214
01:33:09,963 --> 01:33:14,934
The value of a library here
that showcases Irish culture.
2215
01:33:14,934 --> 01:33:18,662
Our treasure is
"Ulysses," first edition copy.
2216
01:33:18,662 --> 01:33:22,217
That's a copy that I'd like
to finish someday. [chuckles]
2217
01:33:22,217 --> 01:33:24,599
I've tried
to go through "Ulysses."
2218
01:33:24,599 --> 01:33:26,359
It's a bit tough
to get through in one go,
2219
01:33:26,359 --> 01:33:27,843
so... [chuckles]
2220
01:33:27,843 --> 01:33:29,845
Uh, maybe when I have more time,
2221
01:33:29,845 --> 01:33:32,365
I will be able to go
through that quietly
2222
01:33:32,365 --> 01:33:34,781
and peacefully
to get the full gist of it.
2223
01:33:34,781 --> 01:33:36,265
INTERVIEWER: We say in Ireland,
2224
01:33:36,265 --> 01:33:38,958
it's the book we pretend
the most that we've read.
2225
01:33:38,958 --> 01:33:41,132
[laughs]
2226
01:33:41,132 --> 01:33:43,272
INTERVIEWER: The other thing
we discovered researching
2227
01:33:43,272 --> 01:33:46,966
your Irish heritage,
is that the first photo
2228
01:33:46,966 --> 01:33:48,588
of your parents meeting
here in the palace...
2229
01:33:48,588 --> 01:33:49,762
Mm-hmm.
2230
01:33:49,762 --> 01:33:51,902
...was taken
by an Irish photographer
2231
01:33:51,902 --> 01:33:53,489
from Dublin, Edward Quinn.
2232
01:33:53,489 --> 01:33:54,974
- Yes, Mm-hmm.
- Ted Quinn.
2233
01:33:54,974 --> 01:33:56,941
Um, he had been
the unit photographer
2234
01:33:56,941 --> 01:33:59,047
on "To Catch a Thief," so...
- Exactly, yeah.
2235
01:33:59,047 --> 01:34:00,842
...Princess Grace and him
had a...
2236
01:34:00,842 --> 01:34:02,188
- Yeah.
- ...close rapport, so she's--
2237
01:34:02,188 --> 01:34:03,776
she's very relaxed.
- Yeah.
2238
01:34:03,776 --> 01:34:07,434
So, it's amazing to think there
was an Irishman capturing...
2239
01:34:07,434 --> 01:34:09,022
- I know.
- ...a historic moment
2240
01:34:09,022 --> 01:34:11,059
in the Grimaldi family history.
2241
01:34:11,059 --> 01:34:14,752
No, and we were able to purchase
his photographic collection.
2242
01:34:14,752 --> 01:34:17,444
He was
a really great photographer.
2243
01:34:21,103 --> 01:34:22,864
The secret
to a good Irish coffee
2244
01:34:22,864 --> 01:34:25,211
is to know what
an Irish coffee is. Right?
2245
01:34:25,211 --> 01:34:26,833
When I go somewhere, and I
order an Irish coffee
2246
01:34:26,833 --> 01:34:29,318
and it comes out
looking like a latte,
2247
01:34:29,318 --> 01:34:31,666
I think I'm--I shouldn't
have ordered that.
2248
01:34:31,666 --> 01:34:33,150
You don't want
the cream to sink.
2249
01:34:33,150 --> 01:34:34,496
And a lot of people have
a lot of theories
2250
01:34:34,496 --> 01:34:36,671
about the back of the spoon,
the top of the spoon.
2251
01:34:36,671 --> 01:34:37,879
Balance of sugar.
2252
01:34:37,879 --> 01:34:40,364
The trick is
very, very hot coffee...
2253
01:34:40,364 --> 01:34:42,469
Good quality Irish whiskey.
2254
01:34:42,469 --> 01:34:44,264
...and very, very cold cream.
2255
01:34:44,264 --> 01:34:47,509
And then you just need the top
of cream that's not overwhipped
2256
01:34:47,509 --> 01:34:49,166
so it looks like a Guinness.
2257
01:34:49,166 --> 01:34:50,408
INTERVIEWER: What do you think
2258
01:34:50,408 --> 01:34:53,549
is the secret
of a great Irish coffee?
2259
01:34:53,549 --> 01:34:55,413
Bushmills Whiskey. [laughs]
2260
01:34:55,413 --> 01:34:56,794
♪
2261
01:34:56,794 --> 01:34:59,279
Pre-20th century,
Irish whiskey was possibly
2262
01:34:59,279 --> 01:35:01,385
the most important whiskey
in the world,
2263
01:35:01,385 --> 01:35:03,456
and I'm sure
that the Scottish people
2264
01:35:03,456 --> 01:35:05,182
might, um, might--
might lynch me for that.
2265
01:35:05,182 --> 01:35:07,149
But we were. We were
more important than Scotch.
2266
01:35:07,149 --> 01:35:09,013
We were better quality
than scotch.
2267
01:35:09,013 --> 01:35:10,739
We were drank mostly
in the States and the UK,
2268
01:35:10,739 --> 01:35:12,534
our two biggest markets.
2269
01:35:12,534 --> 01:35:14,536
Riding high--Irish whiskey.
2270
01:35:14,536 --> 01:35:17,332
A couple of global events
and national events happened.
2271
01:35:17,332 --> 01:35:18,851
So, first of all, we had
the War of Independence
2272
01:35:18,851 --> 01:35:20,507
here in the 1920s.
2273
01:35:20,507 --> 01:35:22,855
Our biggest market, the UK,
was now closed off.
2274
01:35:22,855 --> 01:35:25,029
Secondly,
our second biggest market,
2275
01:35:25,029 --> 01:35:26,893
the U.S., went through
13 years of Prohibition,
2276
01:35:26,893 --> 01:35:28,481
where we know it was illegal
2277
01:35:28,481 --> 01:35:30,517
both to make, sell,
and drink alcohol.
2278
01:35:30,517 --> 01:35:33,969
After Prohibition, we then
had the Second World War.
2279
01:35:33,969 --> 01:35:35,591
So, pre-20th century,
2280
01:35:35,591 --> 01:35:39,699
we had roughly about
75 distilleries on this island.
2281
01:35:39,699 --> 01:35:42,806
Post World War II, we had three.
2282
01:35:42,806 --> 01:35:44,911
♪
2283
01:35:44,911 --> 01:35:47,224
We see it
that we're all an Irish family,
2284
01:35:47,224 --> 01:35:49,088
and we want
to be number one again.
2285
01:35:49,088 --> 01:35:50,814
We want our title back
from the Scotch
2286
01:35:50,814 --> 01:35:52,436
and everybody else
that's out there.
2287
01:35:52,436 --> 01:35:54,645
But Bushmills is one
of the first to make whiskey,
2288
01:35:54,645 --> 01:35:57,441
and for us, that's a very
important thing to say,
2289
01:35:57,441 --> 01:35:59,892
that in Ireland,
we've been making whiskey
2290
01:35:59,892 --> 01:36:02,273
a lot longer than
the Scotch counterparts.
2291
01:36:02,273 --> 01:36:03,827
So, the wonderful water
here at Bushmills
2292
01:36:03,827 --> 01:36:05,690
is something
we're very passionate about,
2293
01:36:05,690 --> 01:36:08,521
and why we believe Bushmills
has that distinct character.
2294
01:36:08,521 --> 01:36:10,799
So, our water flows
through the same limestone
2295
01:36:10,799 --> 01:36:12,697
and basalt rock
at the Giant's Causeway.
2296
01:36:12,697 --> 01:36:14,147
It's a tributary
of the River Bush,
2297
01:36:14,147 --> 01:36:16,667
and it's said to have been
blessed many, many years ago
2298
01:36:16,667 --> 01:36:18,289
by St. Columba,
one of Ireland's 12 apostles,
2299
01:36:18,289 --> 01:36:21,845
as the purest form of water
in Ireland.
2300
01:36:21,845 --> 01:36:23,570
So, the best bit about my job
2301
01:36:23,570 --> 01:36:27,540
is that I get to taste whiskey
every day and call it my job.
2302
01:36:27,540 --> 01:36:29,128
I get to open casks
2303
01:36:29,128 --> 01:36:31,371
that haven't been touched
for many, many years
2304
01:36:31,371 --> 01:36:34,374
and be the first
to taste that whiskey.
2305
01:36:34,374 --> 01:36:37,446
It really is a dream come true
to be a master blender
2306
01:36:37,446 --> 01:36:40,001
and be part of the legacy
of Bushmills.
2307
01:36:40,001 --> 01:36:41,657
[bottle clinks]
2308
01:36:41,657 --> 01:36:43,176
I always like to think,
2309
01:36:43,176 --> 01:36:44,557
if you're trying
a whiskey for the first time,
2310
01:36:44,557 --> 01:36:47,042
you should sit down
in a lovely, quiet room,
2311
01:36:47,042 --> 01:36:48,078
close the curtains,
and don't tell anybody else
2312
01:36:48,078 --> 01:36:49,700
you have the bottle.
2313
01:36:49,700 --> 01:36:51,150
Let it tell you its story.
2314
01:36:51,150 --> 01:36:52,945
Let the sip
of each time you take it
2315
01:36:52,945 --> 01:36:54,670
reveal something new to you.
2316
01:36:54,670 --> 01:36:56,465
That little hint
of marzipan there.
2317
01:36:56,465 --> 01:36:58,709
This one's almost like
Christmas cake in a glass.
2318
01:36:58,709 --> 01:37:00,918
I always think of my grandmother
when I'm drinking this one
2319
01:37:00,918 --> 01:37:02,057
and those lovely fruitcakes
2320
01:37:02,057 --> 01:37:04,094
that she used
to make growing up.
2321
01:37:04,094 --> 01:37:08,823
[indistinct conversations]
2322
01:37:08,823 --> 01:37:11,860
Ricky has explained the rules
of Gaelic and stuff to me.
2323
01:37:11,860 --> 01:37:13,758
I would never play that.
[chuckles]
2324
01:37:13,758 --> 01:37:15,933
That's a very dangerous sport.
2325
01:37:15,933 --> 01:37:18,660
If you had a good hurling stick
and you wanted to keep it,
2326
01:37:18,660 --> 01:37:20,904
you'd have to, you know,
you get a crack in it.
2327
01:37:20,904 --> 01:37:24,769
So, you get the little bit of
metal would be around the turf.
2328
01:37:24,769 --> 01:37:26,185
You'd nail that in.
2329
01:37:26,185 --> 01:37:28,049
Of course,
that'd slice your head off.
2330
01:37:28,049 --> 01:37:30,258
That's a grand hurling stick.
There you go now.
2331
01:37:30,258 --> 01:37:33,640
Look at that. Oh, yeah. I used
to love kind of running down
2332
01:37:33,640 --> 01:37:35,677
and... [whistles]
2333
01:37:35,677 --> 01:37:38,991
Trying to break a window
or something like that.
2334
01:37:38,991 --> 01:37:41,994
[chuckles]
Find an old building.
2335
01:37:41,994 --> 01:37:45,238
[indistinct shouting]
2336
01:37:45,238 --> 01:37:48,276
INTERVIEWER: The GAA is one
of the most impressive
2337
01:37:48,276 --> 01:37:50,830
amateur sporting organizations
in the world.
2338
01:37:50,830 --> 01:37:53,764
My granduncle and grandfather,
John and Jerome Mannion,
2339
01:37:53,764 --> 01:37:56,111
played in the first
all-Ireland hurling final.
2340
01:37:56,111 --> 01:37:58,458
Back in the day,
in the 19th century,
2341
01:37:58,458 --> 01:38:00,495
they came up with the idea
of using whiskey corks
2342
01:38:00,495 --> 01:38:03,532
as the interior
of a sliotar ball.
2343
01:38:03,532 --> 01:38:07,536
Sliotar. The Sliotar.
Yeah, there you go.
2344
01:38:07,536 --> 01:38:11,299
This was to make them less
leaden and heavy when it rained.
2345
01:38:11,299 --> 01:38:14,405
This eureka moment came to them
having a drink of whiskey
2346
01:38:14,405 --> 01:38:17,236
after a particularly rainy
hurling match.
2347
01:38:17,236 --> 01:38:18,962
So, there is
actually a connection
2348
01:38:18,962 --> 01:38:21,171
between Irish whiskey
and the GAA.
2349
01:38:21,171 --> 01:38:22,655
[indistinct shouting continues]
2350
01:38:22,655 --> 01:38:25,002
The GAA was founded in 1884,
2351
01:38:25,002 --> 01:38:28,178
and it has given us
a sense of pride,
2352
01:38:28,178 --> 01:38:30,732
a sense of belonging,
that no matter where we are,
2353
01:38:30,732 --> 01:38:32,630
that rivalry between club
2354
01:38:32,630 --> 01:38:34,391
and county is intense.
2355
01:38:34,391 --> 01:38:37,808
For an hour on one Sunday
or one Saturday,
2356
01:38:37,808 --> 01:38:40,328
we might go hammer and tongs
against each other.
2357
01:38:40,328 --> 01:38:41,570
But at the end of the day,
2358
01:38:41,570 --> 01:38:44,021
you put your arm
around that person,
2359
01:38:44,021 --> 01:38:45,471
and you say you're a family.
2360
01:38:45,471 --> 01:38:47,300
That's the GAA.
2361
01:38:47,300 --> 01:38:49,164
You don't get
transferred anywhere.
2362
01:38:49,164 --> 01:38:51,028
You stay where you are.
2363
01:38:51,028 --> 01:38:52,409
This is your home.
2364
01:38:52,409 --> 01:38:54,480
This is where you live
and breathe,
2365
01:38:54,480 --> 01:38:55,584
build all your memories.
2366
01:38:55,584 --> 01:38:58,001
And this is your county,
because Ireland,
2367
01:38:58,001 --> 01:39:01,280
some people might not know,
is divided into 32 counties.
2368
01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:05,284
My parents are both
Waterford-born and bred.
2369
01:39:05,284 --> 01:39:07,527
My mother was very--
actually, both of my parents,
2370
01:39:07,527 --> 01:39:10,047
very proud
of their Waterford background,
2371
01:39:10,047 --> 01:39:11,704
and that's a form of tribalism.
2372
01:39:11,704 --> 01:39:13,395
But then you have the GAA,
which, in my view,
2373
01:39:13,395 --> 01:39:15,397
is one
of the greatest organizations
2374
01:39:15,397 --> 01:39:19,332
of the 20th and 21st centuries,
an organization that's managed
2375
01:39:19,332 --> 01:39:23,371
to develop a code of sport
that only exists in one country.
2376
01:39:23,371 --> 01:39:26,477
And that means that our county
identities are so vital to us.
2377
01:39:26,477 --> 01:39:29,032
So, I'm a Waterford fan,
and I'll always be,
2378
01:39:29,032 --> 01:39:31,586
and I'll always feel
particular affection for
2379
01:39:31,586 --> 01:39:35,141
and devotion
to all things Waterford.
2380
01:39:35,141 --> 01:39:36,591
You can't leave
your county behind.
2381
01:39:36,591 --> 01:39:39,042
Your county's always in you,
no matter what parts
2382
01:39:39,042 --> 01:39:41,044
of the country
or the world you're in.
2383
01:39:41,044 --> 01:39:42,493
You see it on our small island,
2384
01:39:42,493 --> 01:39:44,633
just the differences,
north and south,
2385
01:39:44,633 --> 01:39:46,601
even in the north,
within the north.
2386
01:39:46,601 --> 01:39:49,776
I always think that the border
is not between north and south,
2387
01:39:49,776 --> 01:39:52,124
but it's within
the communities in Ireland.
2388
01:39:52,124 --> 01:39:54,091
I think we are quite tribal.
2389
01:39:54,091 --> 01:39:56,991
I think we have
a strong sense of community,
2390
01:39:56,991 --> 01:39:58,716
neighbors
and the squinting windows
2391
01:39:58,716 --> 01:40:00,546
and all that kind of stuff,
2392
01:40:00,546 --> 01:40:03,100
everything from language
to sports to food
2393
01:40:03,100 --> 01:40:04,722
distinguished
the characteristics
2394
01:40:04,722 --> 01:40:05,965
of those different tribes.
2395
01:40:05,965 --> 01:40:07,622
Frankly, long may it continue.
2396
01:40:07,622 --> 01:40:10,038
I'd hate to think of it
as just one, you know, um,
2397
01:40:10,038 --> 01:40:12,661
amorphous kind of blob.
2398
01:40:12,661 --> 01:40:15,664
[amplified voice]
Mr. President, 25 years ago,
2399
01:40:15,664 --> 01:40:19,151
a different band of dreamers
and realists, men and women,
2400
01:40:19,151 --> 01:40:21,256
peacemakers and idealists,
2401
01:40:21,256 --> 01:40:23,224
came together
to make a new promise
2402
01:40:23,224 --> 01:40:26,917
to a new generation of people
on this island.
2403
01:40:26,917 --> 01:40:29,299
It was the promise of peace,
2404
01:40:29,299 --> 01:40:33,165
of a future free from violence
and the fear of violence.
2405
01:40:33,165 --> 01:40:36,651
When I grew up through 30 years
of violence on this island,
2406
01:40:36,651 --> 01:40:39,861
saw a lot of things I wouldn't
like anybody else to see.
2407
01:40:39,861 --> 01:40:42,139
I think there's a very
strong chance that some form
2408
01:40:42,139 --> 01:40:46,281
of agreed Ireland could emerge
over the next couple of decades.
2409
01:40:46,281 --> 01:40:48,145
I think
we've got to be very careful
2410
01:40:48,145 --> 01:40:50,113
how we move forward on this.
2411
01:40:50,113 --> 01:40:54,358
I find it disappointing
that the last 25 years of peace
2412
01:40:54,358 --> 01:40:58,190
haven't made more progress
towards greater understanding
2413
01:40:58,190 --> 01:40:59,467
on the island of Ireland,
2414
01:40:59,467 --> 01:41:01,814
and there's still
very deep divisions,
2415
01:41:01,814 --> 01:41:02,918
but I do recognize that we are
2416
01:41:02,918 --> 01:41:06,439
at an inflection point,
as Joe Biden often says,
2417
01:41:06,439 --> 01:41:08,476
where things in the future
may be very different
2418
01:41:08,476 --> 01:41:10,616
from the way they are now.
2419
01:41:10,616 --> 01:41:14,516
I mean, frankly, my main concern
with United Ireland
2420
01:41:14,516 --> 01:41:16,415
is less about the economic
2421
01:41:16,415 --> 01:41:19,418
and more about the societal side
of things.
2422
01:41:19,418 --> 01:41:21,799
Look, you know,
I'm very proud to be Irish,
2423
01:41:21,799 --> 01:41:24,906
but we can't
have a situation where
2424
01:41:24,906 --> 01:41:28,185
one group forces another group
into United Ireland.
2425
01:41:28,185 --> 01:41:30,153
I don't think
it'll ever come by force.
2426
01:41:30,153 --> 01:41:32,741
I don't think it can
and nor should it.
2427
01:41:32,741 --> 01:41:35,951
When we were children,
Dad brought us to every county,
2428
01:41:35,951 --> 01:41:37,539
north and south,
2429
01:41:37,539 --> 01:41:39,541
and my mum is from Omeath
in County Louth,
2430
01:41:39,541 --> 01:41:41,716
which is right on the border.
2431
01:41:41,716 --> 01:41:43,925
It was in the middle
of the Troubles,
2432
01:41:43,925 --> 01:41:47,377
and we heard across the way
what was going on in Newry
2433
01:41:47,377 --> 01:41:49,275
and in the north
and in County Down,
2434
01:41:49,275 --> 01:41:50,518
you could hear
what was happening.
2435
01:41:50,518 --> 01:41:52,968
I would vote
for a United Ireland.
2436
01:41:52,968 --> 01:41:55,005
I would. I'd like to see it.
2437
01:41:55,005 --> 01:41:58,146
I'm looking forward
to the future we all share.
2438
01:41:58,146 --> 01:42:00,459
There's so much
cultural significance
2439
01:42:00,459 --> 01:42:02,150
to Northern Ireland.
2440
01:42:02,150 --> 01:42:03,979
There's so much history
and rich culture,
2441
01:42:03,979 --> 01:42:07,293
that it would be really lovely
to see United Ireland.
2442
01:42:07,293 --> 01:42:09,813
But I don't think
our opinion is as important
2443
01:42:09,813 --> 01:42:12,229
in this debate as, like,
someone living
2444
01:42:12,229 --> 01:42:13,851
in Northern Ireland
at the moment.
2445
01:42:13,851 --> 01:42:15,577
I think
they're really in the hotspot.
2446
01:42:15,577 --> 01:42:18,477
It's really them
who need to be looked after.
2447
01:42:19,788 --> 01:42:21,963
INTERVIEWER:
If, in a referendum,
2448
01:42:21,963 --> 01:42:25,277
a United Ireland was voted for
by a majority,
2449
01:42:25,277 --> 01:42:27,796
would you accept that?
2450
01:42:30,661 --> 01:42:32,629
You can see it c--
And what do you think
2451
01:42:32,629 --> 01:42:36,633
the community here, you know,
would think about it?
2452
01:42:52,614 --> 01:42:54,616
INTERVIEWER: We've just come up
from the south amazed to see
2453
01:42:54,616 --> 01:42:57,861
so many Union Jack flags
promoting one view.
2454
01:42:57,861 --> 01:43:00,415
Does that surprise you, or do
you just take it for granted?
2455
01:43:00,415 --> 01:43:05,248
I'm not surprised,
but I am disappointed.
2456
01:43:05,248 --> 01:43:07,250
It doesn't represent me.
2457
01:43:07,250 --> 01:43:09,113
And even though
I might have been
2458
01:43:09,113 --> 01:43:14,705
from a very loyalist place
geographically, growing up,
2459
01:43:14,705 --> 01:43:19,503
these flags excludes others
that I don't want excluded.
2460
01:43:19,503 --> 01:43:20,642
Wallace is, you know,
your maiden name?
2461
01:43:20,642 --> 01:43:22,265
Maiden name, yes.
2462
01:43:22,265 --> 01:43:24,819
- O'Neill is you--
- Is my married name.
2463
01:43:24,819 --> 01:43:27,546
Does that seem like
a cross-border divide?
2464
01:43:27,546 --> 01:43:28,788
It was when we got... [laughs]
2465
01:43:28,788 --> 01:43:30,928
Yes, it was when we got married.
Yeah. Yes.
2466
01:43:30,928 --> 01:43:34,346
We're marr--
uh, 2005, we got married.
2467
01:43:34,346 --> 01:43:36,037
We started dating in 2000,
2468
01:43:36,037 --> 01:43:38,073
you know, two years
after the Good Friday Agreement.
2469
01:43:38,073 --> 01:43:40,835
So... but even two years after
the Good Friday Agreement, yeah,
2470
01:43:40,835 --> 01:43:43,734
there was still definitely,
for sure.
2471
01:43:43,734 --> 01:43:46,944
So, Sophia, would
you vote for United Ireland?
2472
01:43:46,944 --> 01:43:49,326
Uh, I think I would.
2473
01:43:49,326 --> 01:43:50,948
I think it's easy enough
for us to say, yeah,
2474
01:43:50,948 --> 01:43:53,330
we would want that
and, yeah, we would want
2475
01:43:53,330 --> 01:43:55,815
to be united, and we would want
to be one state,
2476
01:43:55,815 --> 01:43:58,093
but obviously there's people
here that wouldn't want that.
2477
01:43:58,093 --> 01:43:59,750
It's not gonna be
straightforward,
2478
01:43:59,750 --> 01:44:01,407
and I'm sure
there's lots of people
2479
01:44:01,407 --> 01:44:03,616
who would--who would fear it, probably.
2480
01:44:03,616 --> 01:44:06,101
And, yes, the violence,
I suppose, is something
2481
01:44:06,101 --> 01:44:07,413
we would be worried about.
2482
01:44:07,413 --> 01:44:10,244
We don't want to go back down
that path again.
2483
01:44:10,244 --> 01:44:13,902
Once it comes up, and there is
a lot of chat and talk about,
2484
01:44:13,902 --> 01:44:16,940
at the time, whenever it
comes to a referendum,
2485
01:44:16,940 --> 01:44:18,976
if it does happen,
then it will--
2486
01:44:18,976 --> 01:44:23,464
I think there's...
there's certainly...
2487
01:44:23,464 --> 01:44:28,365
the very high potential
for trouble or... issues,
2488
01:44:28,365 --> 01:44:30,540
as you say,
Northern Irish-based issues
2489
01:44:30,540 --> 01:44:31,920
that we're all
very well aware of.
2490
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,682
So, I suppose making Ireland
better known for is
2491
01:44:34,682 --> 01:44:36,856
places such as this,
as opposed to the violence
2492
01:44:36,856 --> 01:44:39,721
and the troubles that have
hopefully seen the last of.
2493
01:44:39,721 --> 01:44:41,585
Time will tell, I suppose.
2494
01:44:41,585 --> 01:44:46,245
BELL: I often see
within a teenage setting
2495
01:44:46,245 --> 01:44:48,627
that there's potential
for them to have
2496
01:44:48,627 --> 01:44:51,077
very extreme polar views.
2497
01:44:51,077 --> 01:44:54,288
But there are a large growing
amount of peoples
2498
01:44:54,288 --> 01:44:56,945
from different sides
of the community
2499
01:44:56,945 --> 01:44:59,431
consciously deciding
to be educated
2500
01:44:59,431 --> 01:45:02,226
in an atmosphere
of tolerance and respect.
2501
01:45:02,226 --> 01:45:04,781
For me, it's live and let live.
You get on with your life,
2502
01:45:04,781 --> 01:45:06,817
you do your best for
your family, for your children.
2503
01:45:06,817 --> 01:45:09,717
You know, it just--
it spans generations.
2504
01:45:09,717 --> 01:45:13,203
And until that finishes, I don't
think we'll get very far.
2505
01:45:13,203 --> 01:45:14,618
This island is for everyone.
2506
01:45:14,618 --> 01:45:16,102
Northern Ireland is
for everyone.
2507
01:45:16,102 --> 01:45:17,932
Times are changin',
and I think a lot of people
2508
01:45:17,932 --> 01:45:22,350
wanna just get on
and move on with the future.
2509
01:45:22,350 --> 01:45:25,146
[drums beating in distance]
2510
01:45:25,146 --> 01:45:28,391
INTERVIEWER: These are typically
Irish language, Gaelic names.
2511
01:45:28,391 --> 01:45:29,771
Uh-huh.
2512
01:45:29,771 --> 01:45:32,429
Could you see if you can try
and pronounce...
2513
01:45:32,429 --> 01:45:34,017
- Okay.
- ...any of these--the top...
2514
01:45:34,017 --> 01:45:35,881
Wow.
2515
01:45:35,881 --> 01:45:37,400
INTERVIEWER: Just trying to
ask you, how you pronounce it?
2516
01:45:37,400 --> 01:45:38,470
Ah.
2517
01:45:38,470 --> 01:45:40,299
No, that's not fair, guys.
2518
01:45:40,299 --> 01:45:41,852
That's not fair at all.
2519
01:45:41,852 --> 01:45:44,372
Oh, good heavens. [laughs] Oh.
2520
01:45:44,372 --> 01:45:47,064
Oh, my God. This--I'm the--
2521
01:45:47,064 --> 01:45:48,307
I'm the wrong Irishman
to bring this to.
2522
01:45:48,307 --> 01:45:51,034
Okay, I'm gonna try.
2523
01:45:51,034 --> 01:45:52,622
Ai-ofee?
2524
01:45:52,622 --> 01:45:54,209
- Auf-fee?
- Oaf-fee?
2525
01:45:54,209 --> 01:45:57,523
A-fee? Auf-fee?
2526
01:45:57,523 --> 01:45:58,869
- Wuff?
- INTERVIEWER: [laughs] No.
2527
01:45:58,869 --> 01:46:00,181
A-wuff?
2528
01:46:00,181 --> 01:46:02,597
Ao-fee?
2529
01:46:02,597 --> 01:46:04,772
No, it's not ao-fee.
2530
01:46:04,772 --> 01:46:06,014
Ee-fah.
2531
01:46:06,014 --> 01:46:07,809
Dare-buh. [laughs]
2532
01:46:07,809 --> 01:46:09,984
- Deir-bruha?
- It's Deir-bruha? [laughs]
2533
01:46:09,984 --> 01:46:11,399
Dervla.
2534
01:46:11,399 --> 01:46:12,745
Deir-blah?
2535
01:46:12,745 --> 01:46:14,851
Deer-blah?
2536
01:46:14,851 --> 01:46:18,475
[laughs]
2537
01:46:18,475 --> 01:46:19,718
Derv-lah.
2538
01:46:19,718 --> 01:46:22,065
Pay-drag.
2539
01:46:22,065 --> 01:46:23,411
Pa-dreg.
2540
01:46:23,411 --> 01:46:25,033
Pa-dring?
2541
01:46:25,033 --> 01:46:26,759
Par-rig. Par-rig.
2542
01:46:26,759 --> 01:46:28,761
She-bahn.
2543
01:46:28,761 --> 01:46:30,142
Shu-ban?
2544
01:46:30,142 --> 01:46:31,799
Shu-ban.
2545
01:46:31,799 --> 01:46:33,352
Shi-vahn.
2546
01:46:33,352 --> 01:46:35,906
And... Say-orze?
2547
01:46:35,906 --> 01:46:37,080
Syource?
2548
01:46:37,080 --> 01:46:39,047
Soar-cee.
2549
01:46:39,047 --> 01:46:40,255
Seer-saw.
2550
01:46:40,255 --> 01:46:43,707
[laughing] I don't know.
2551
01:46:43,707 --> 01:46:46,607
Ser-sha. Ser-sha. Ser-sha.
2552
01:46:46,607 --> 01:46:47,642
- May.
- May.
2553
01:46:47,642 --> 01:46:49,023
- May.
- [laughs]
2554
01:46:49,023 --> 01:46:51,577
- Yeah, I got one? Yes!
- That's right? [laughs]
2555
01:46:51,577 --> 01:46:53,614
And a few, I came close.
Yeah, it's...
2556
01:46:53,614 --> 01:46:57,756
It takes a lot
of imagination, though. [laughs]
2557
01:46:57,756 --> 01:47:00,897
INTERVIEWER: Well done.
I'm impressed that you did...
2558
01:47:00,897 --> 01:47:03,002
- Cheers. Frank is much easier.
- [glasses clink]
2559
01:47:03,002 --> 01:47:04,694
INTERVIEWER:
You were sensible enough
2560
01:47:04,694 --> 01:47:08,111
to give your firstborn son
a pronounceable Irish name.
2561
01:47:08,111 --> 01:47:11,217
- What did you choose?
- Sean. Sean.
2562
01:47:11,217 --> 01:47:13,599
Yes.
2563
01:47:13,599 --> 01:47:15,705
This is a very sensible name.
2564
01:47:15,705 --> 01:47:18,742
I remember the morning
we named him very well.
2565
01:47:18,742 --> 01:47:20,641
We were an Acapulco.
2566
01:47:20,641 --> 01:47:22,712
Anyway, that's another story.
2567
01:47:22,712 --> 01:47:24,714
You have to help me
with the Gaelic expression,
2568
01:47:24,714 --> 01:47:27,233
"100,000 welcomes." What's it?
2569
01:47:27,233 --> 01:47:30,823
- Céad Míle Fáilte.
- Céad Míle Fáilte.
2570
01:47:30,823 --> 01:47:32,584
INTERVIEWER: Bob Geldof said
that the English
2571
01:47:32,584 --> 01:47:34,413
never understood the Irish.
2572
01:47:34,413 --> 01:47:36,553
Do you think that?
2573
01:47:36,553 --> 01:47:40,833
Um... Maybe the language.
Possibly. [laughs]
2574
01:47:40,833 --> 01:47:43,802
So, in the great void
of the Famine,
2575
01:47:43,802 --> 01:47:46,598
uh, this is cliché
for all Irish people. Sorry.
2576
01:47:46,598 --> 01:47:49,946
But, um,
in the great void that was left,
2577
01:47:49,946 --> 01:47:53,363
a set of artists had to invent
a sense of ourselves.
2578
01:47:53,363 --> 01:47:55,779
They had to take
the language hostage
2579
01:47:55,779 --> 01:47:58,161
that they were given
and wrestle with it
2580
01:47:58,161 --> 01:48:00,819
and make it their own, which
they very successfully did.
2581
01:48:00,819 --> 01:48:02,372
We always talk about this,
that we're really happy
2582
01:48:02,372 --> 01:48:03,891
that our first feature film
2583
01:48:03,891 --> 01:48:05,824
was in our mother tongue,
in the Irish language.
2584
01:48:05,824 --> 01:48:07,273
And there's a lovely saying,
isn't there?
2585
01:48:07,273 --> 01:48:09,483
An old Irish saying,
"Tír gan teanga, tír gan anam,"
2586
01:48:09,483 --> 01:48:11,208
which means,
2587
01:48:11,208 --> 01:48:14,315
"A country without a language
is a country without a soul."
2588
01:48:14,315 --> 01:48:16,800
And we're so lucky that we have
our own indigenous language
2589
01:48:16,800 --> 01:48:19,182
here in Ireland
and that it's--it's spoken.
2590
01:48:19,182 --> 01:48:22,461
And hopefully it's experiencing
somewhat of a revival,
2591
01:48:22,461 --> 01:48:24,946
you know, of late, so...
2592
01:48:24,946 --> 01:48:27,328
I can't even say it in the pa--
Is fuath liom an Ghaeilge.
2593
01:48:27,328 --> 01:48:29,606
Like, that means,
"I hate Irish," doesn't it?
2594
01:48:29,606 --> 01:48:31,781
But I don't hate Irish.
I love Irish.
2595
01:48:31,781 --> 01:48:35,439
I hated Irish--I hated Irish
in school, like, so badly.
2596
01:48:35,439 --> 01:48:37,131
You can't go to the toilet
unless you can say it
2597
01:48:37,131 --> 01:48:39,374
in the lang--like, like,
so it was...
2598
01:48:39,374 --> 01:48:41,687
or if you had to get lines,
and I always had to do lines.
2599
01:48:41,687 --> 01:48:43,206
You'd have to write
the lines in Irish.
2600
01:48:43,206 --> 01:48:45,173
So, I just, like, associated it
with, like, pun--
2601
01:48:45,173 --> 01:48:46,554
like, punishment.
2602
01:48:46,554 --> 01:48:48,176
The great thing about Irish
2603
01:48:48,176 --> 01:48:50,316
is everyone
becomes very fluent in Irish
2604
01:48:50,316 --> 01:48:52,422
when they go on holidays,
and they want to talk about
2605
01:48:52,422 --> 01:48:55,701
the English-speaking people
on the beach beside them.
2606
01:48:55,701 --> 01:48:57,323
And suddenly we're all able
2607
01:48:57,323 --> 01:48:59,843
to put a couple of sentences
in Irish together.
2608
01:48:59,843 --> 01:49:02,328
As a man who loves
to complain about things,
2609
01:49:02,328 --> 01:49:05,849
to complain in Irish
would have its own joys.
2610
01:49:05,849 --> 01:49:07,989
An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí
an leithreas?
2611
01:49:07,989 --> 01:49:09,922
which, if you don't know, is,
2612
01:49:09,922 --> 01:49:12,476
"Can I go to the toilet,
please?"
2613
01:49:12,476 --> 01:49:14,340
And every Irish person
remembers--
2614
01:49:14,340 --> 01:49:16,204
if they remember nothing,
they remember that because
2615
01:49:16,204 --> 01:49:19,380
they had to use it in school
if they needed to go for a wee.
2616
01:49:19,380 --> 01:49:23,246
So... An bhfuil cead agam
dul go dtí an leithreas?
2617
01:49:23,246 --> 01:49:25,731
And if you say it like that,
it sounds very grand,
2618
01:49:25,731 --> 01:49:27,664
but it's not at all.
2619
01:49:27,664 --> 01:49:29,908
The main one being "sláinte,"
2620
01:49:29,908 --> 01:49:32,186
it's used,
I think, on many an occasion
2621
01:49:32,186 --> 01:49:34,671
When I go to Ireland,
it's several times a day.
2622
01:49:34,671 --> 01:49:36,293
[chuckles]
2623
01:49:36,293 --> 01:49:40,194
Wasn't it an incredible act
of destruction
2624
01:49:40,194 --> 01:49:42,921
to prohibit people
speaking their language,
2625
01:49:42,921 --> 01:49:46,649
to change all the names of
their terrain and their ecology?
2626
01:49:46,649 --> 01:49:48,651
Punish children
if they use the language,
2627
01:49:48,651 --> 01:49:51,999
and the nonsense
of suggesting that there is
2628
01:49:51,999 --> 01:49:54,104
something subversive
about using a language
2629
01:49:54,104 --> 01:49:58,005
that was used by all of us.
It is just so objectionable.
2630
01:49:58,005 --> 01:50:00,628
It was associated
with the mind of empire.
2631
01:50:00,628 --> 01:50:02,078
We're not out of it.
2632
01:50:02,078 --> 01:50:04,770
The cúpla focal
isn't good enough anymore.
2633
01:50:18,094 --> 01:50:22,270
BROSNAN: My mother May is
still alive. We speak every day.
2634
01:50:22,270 --> 01:50:23,789
May is 91.
2635
01:50:23,789 --> 01:50:26,827
There was time lost,
2636
01:50:26,827 --> 01:50:29,036
you know, at the beginning
of our lives together.
2637
01:50:29,036 --> 01:50:35,042
She was 19, 20 when she had me.
2638
01:50:35,042 --> 01:50:38,839
It's very young. Very young.
2639
01:50:38,839 --> 01:50:40,806
We'd had
so many years of separation
2640
01:50:40,806 --> 01:50:42,946
and hellos and goodbyes.
2641
01:50:42,946 --> 01:50:47,779
So, we--we--we've made up
a lot of life over the years.
2642
01:50:47,779 --> 01:50:54,578
Thank God for her that she had
the courage to set sail and...
2643
01:50:54,578 --> 01:50:56,235
"The hell with the lot of you.
2644
01:50:56,235 --> 01:50:59,100
I'm gonna make
a life for my son and myself."
2645
01:50:59,100 --> 01:51:03,933
The success that I've had
has been shared with her,
2646
01:51:03,933 --> 01:51:07,246
and she comes on the set
with me from time to time.
2647
01:51:07,246 --> 01:51:10,974
I try to find movies
in that neck of the woods
2648
01:51:10,974 --> 01:51:15,151
just so I can continue that...
that kinship.
2649
01:51:15,151 --> 01:51:18,879
My mother May is
a strong, strong lady,
2650
01:51:18,879 --> 01:51:22,745
philosophical, Irish.
The Irish mammy.
2651
01:51:22,745 --> 01:51:24,539
What is a typical Irish mammy?
2652
01:51:24,539 --> 01:51:27,646
Very protective and, um...
2653
01:51:27,646 --> 01:51:30,856
loving and... kind of...
2654
01:51:30,856 --> 01:51:32,375
It's a slightly negative
connotation as well.
2655
01:51:32,375 --> 01:51:33,756
- Yeah.
- Isn't there?
2656
01:51:33,756 --> 01:51:36,413
There's this sense of, like,
an over-mothering, perhaps.
2657
01:51:36,413 --> 01:51:38,830
You're not overprotective.
He's just--
2658
01:51:38,830 --> 01:51:40,763
- He's just always made sure...
- Like a mammy.
2659
01:51:40,763 --> 01:51:43,075
...I'm al-- [laughs]
2660
01:51:43,075 --> 01:51:45,560
You're asking me,
is an Irish mammy a thing?
2661
01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:47,183
I am such an Irish mammy.
2662
01:51:47,183 --> 01:51:50,048
Yes, an Irish mammy
is completely a thing.
2663
01:51:50,048 --> 01:51:52,050
She never stops being
an Irish mammy.
2664
01:51:52,050 --> 01:51:54,431
Every Irish mammy
wakes up every morning,
2665
01:51:54,431 --> 01:51:57,089
and she wants her babies
all around her.
2666
01:51:57,089 --> 01:51:59,229
That's an Irish mammy for you.
2667
01:51:59,229 --> 01:52:02,163
What is an Irish mammy anymore
look like?
2668
01:52:02,163 --> 01:52:04,372
If it means loads
of good cooking, I-I know
2669
01:52:04,372 --> 01:52:07,721
I'm not an Irish mammy.
[laughs] Not a great one.
2670
01:52:07,721 --> 01:52:11,276
[indistinct conversations]
2671
01:52:11,276 --> 01:52:14,279
What I love is that wherever
you are in the world,
2672
01:52:14,279 --> 01:52:16,522
the minute you hear a flicker
of an Irish accent,
2673
01:52:16,522 --> 01:52:20,630
it's like moths to a flame,
and all of a sudden you realize
2674
01:52:20,630 --> 01:52:22,563
that you either went
to the same school together
2675
01:52:22,563 --> 01:52:24,738
or you're somehow related.
2676
01:52:24,738 --> 01:52:27,223
That's the lovely thing
that I love about being Irish.
2677
01:52:27,223 --> 01:52:28,707
It's everywhere.
2678
01:52:28,707 --> 01:52:33,470
On my mom's side, a Brown is
in our family line, so I have,
2679
01:52:33,470 --> 01:52:36,439
I think, 13 or 18% Irish.
2680
01:52:36,439 --> 01:52:37,785
My father's French.
He's from Paris,
2681
01:52:37,785 --> 01:52:39,407
and my mother is Irish.
2682
01:52:39,407 --> 01:52:42,548
INTERVIEWER: Is there a dilemma
watching Ireland and France--
2683
01:52:42,548 --> 01:52:45,103
No, there's no dilemma.
We're always for the greens.
2684
01:52:45,103 --> 01:52:47,312
We like saying
we have the double nationality--
2685
01:52:47,312 --> 01:52:48,727
French and Irish.
2686
01:52:48,727 --> 01:52:50,211
Everybody's
very surprised and happy
2687
01:52:50,211 --> 01:52:53,007
and interested to know why.
2688
01:52:53,007 --> 01:52:56,010
Look at my name--
Rory and Guinness.
2689
01:52:56,010 --> 01:52:58,323
You don't get much
more Irish than that.
2690
01:52:58,323 --> 01:52:59,980
I'm an American citizen,
2691
01:52:59,980 --> 01:53:02,603
but my soul is Irish.
2692
01:53:02,603 --> 01:53:04,950
The spirit of me is Irish.
2693
01:53:04,950 --> 01:53:08,402
I-I can certainly feel it
in my bones and my blood,
2694
01:53:08,402 --> 01:53:09,921
being Irish,
2695
01:53:09,921 --> 01:53:12,061
what that means, our ancestors,
2696
01:53:12,061 --> 01:53:13,994
the religion, of course.
2697
01:53:13,994 --> 01:53:18,170
The religion plays
such a strong part of it.
2698
01:53:18,170 --> 01:53:20,034
I like the God I pray to,
2699
01:53:20,034 --> 01:53:21,587
the one that I've created
for myself
2700
01:53:21,587 --> 01:53:24,487
and the prayers
that I've remembered.
2701
01:53:24,487 --> 01:53:27,386
But I have my own--
my own words with him
2702
01:53:27,386 --> 01:53:31,874
on a daily basis of--
always with gratitude, I think,
2703
01:53:31,874 --> 01:53:34,531
just for this day
and all the days of my life.
2704
01:53:34,531 --> 01:53:38,052
[laughs]
You know, it's such a mystery.
2705
01:53:38,052 --> 01:53:39,951
There's no doubt
that any Irish person
2706
01:53:39,951 --> 01:53:42,401
never really loses
their Irishness.
2707
01:53:42,401 --> 01:53:44,610
You know, I have a lot of, uh,
family in America
2708
01:53:44,610 --> 01:53:46,440
that have been there
for over 30 years,
2709
01:53:46,440 --> 01:53:48,269
and they've become
even more Irish.
2710
01:53:48,269 --> 01:53:49,650
You're much more aware
of your Irishness
2711
01:53:49,650 --> 01:53:51,721
sometimes, I think,
when you live abroad.
2712
01:53:51,721 --> 01:53:55,242
Well, I'm a very proud
Irishwoman, first of all.
2713
01:53:55,242 --> 01:53:57,589
I'm also
a very proud Ulster woman.
2714
01:53:57,589 --> 01:54:00,523
It all adds to the complexities
of all of our histories,
2715
01:54:00,523 --> 01:54:03,215
because it's only
when you start to look back
2716
01:54:03,215 --> 01:54:06,046
that it's not quite as simple
as we all thought.
2717
01:54:06,046 --> 01:54:08,634
We are ourselves not British.
We are Norman,
2718
01:54:08,634 --> 01:54:12,466
so it's normally French bastard,
not English bastard.
2719
01:54:12,466 --> 01:54:14,192
We've always been different
than many
2720
01:54:14,192 --> 01:54:16,021
of the other titled folk.
2721
01:54:16,021 --> 01:54:17,989
We've embraced being Irish.
2722
01:54:17,989 --> 01:54:19,680
I've often asked,
2723
01:54:19,680 --> 01:54:21,958
"If you were only allowed one
passport, which would you keep?"
2724
01:54:21,958 --> 01:54:23,339
I said, in a heartbeat,
2725
01:54:23,339 --> 01:54:25,168
I get rid
of my British passport,
2726
01:54:25,168 --> 01:54:27,308
even if it meant
taking away the title. So what?
2727
01:54:27,308 --> 01:54:29,552
We have Irish passports.
We're Irish.
2728
01:54:29,552 --> 01:54:32,106
I'm Irish. Regardless of whether
it be the north or the south.
2729
01:54:32,106 --> 01:54:34,798
To be Irish is now something
2730
01:54:34,798 --> 01:54:39,044
as diverse as the way we talk,
the number of games we play.
2731
01:54:39,044 --> 01:54:42,116
It's something
that's so inclusive,
2732
01:54:42,116 --> 01:54:44,291
and I see the new Irish
and the people who were
2733
01:54:44,291 --> 01:54:45,982
born outside this state,
who now live in this state,
2734
01:54:45,982 --> 01:54:48,295
and they're proud to be Irish.
2735
01:54:48,295 --> 01:54:50,711
I've been away from Ireland
longer than I lived in Ireland.
2736
01:54:50,711 --> 01:54:53,507
When I first started
going back in the early 2000s,
2737
01:54:53,507 --> 01:54:56,096
what really struck me was
the development,
2738
01:54:56,096 --> 01:54:57,856
and now when you go back,
that diversity,
2739
01:54:57,856 --> 01:54:59,271
you know, it's beautiful to see.
2740
01:54:59,271 --> 01:55:01,066
We're
a very international family
2741
01:55:01,066 --> 01:55:02,412
and a very international people.
2742
01:55:02,412 --> 01:55:05,381
Irishness, and we're now
learning this, by the way,
2743
01:55:05,381 --> 01:55:08,591
more and more,
it cannot be confined
2744
01:55:08,591 --> 01:55:13,320
to a stereotype of people
who look and sound like me.
2745
01:55:13,320 --> 01:55:15,839
So, I remember trying to speak
about racism. [chuckles]
2746
01:55:15,839 --> 01:55:21,190
Um, like, like, as a child,
you know, as a young woman,
2747
01:55:21,190 --> 01:55:24,538
you would just be met with,
like, a wall of anger
2748
01:55:24,538 --> 01:55:28,300
and, like, just, like,
such, such defensiveness.
2749
01:55:28,300 --> 01:55:30,716
For me, it's really
interesting that now in Ireland,
2750
01:55:30,716 --> 01:55:33,236
there's a thirst
to have those conversations.
2751
01:55:33,236 --> 01:55:35,894
It's a story that we've made
a lot of effort
2752
01:55:35,894 --> 01:55:37,758
to reflect Ireland
as it is today.
2753
01:55:37,758 --> 01:55:40,105
The immigration system
that exists in our name
2754
01:55:40,105 --> 01:55:42,521
is currently in contrast
2755
01:55:42,521 --> 01:55:45,697
to the Ireland of a thousand
welcomes that we're so used to.
2756
01:55:45,697 --> 01:55:48,527
So, I am Irish and Nigerian.
2757
01:55:48,527 --> 01:55:50,840
My mum's Irish.
My dad's Nigerian.
2758
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:56,880
I was born in Dublin, um,
at a time where Black people,
2759
01:55:56,880 --> 01:56:00,125
anybody who wasn't white,
anybody that was, like,
2760
01:56:00,125 --> 01:56:04,060
in any way different,
was extremely rare--
2761
01:56:04,060 --> 01:56:06,442
a very different Ireland
to the Ireland of today.
2762
01:56:06,442 --> 01:56:09,065
Then there was me
in the midst of all that.
2763
01:56:09,065 --> 01:56:11,205
There were so many people
who'd, like,
2764
01:56:11,205 --> 01:56:14,277
never seen a person
who wasn't white before.
2765
01:56:14,277 --> 01:56:16,107
I know that
because they told me.
2766
01:56:16,107 --> 01:56:17,729
I know that because literally,
2767
01:56:17,729 --> 01:56:19,524
people would, like,
cross the--the street
2768
01:56:19,524 --> 01:56:21,319
to, like, look at me,
to, like, touch my hair,
2769
01:56:21,319 --> 01:56:22,803
and then share with me
2770
01:56:22,803 --> 01:56:25,806
that they'd--they'd never met
a Black person before.
2771
01:56:25,806 --> 01:56:28,395
Um, so I was, like,
the first Black person
2772
01:56:28,395 --> 01:56:31,329
that a lot of people met,
and that was, um, I guess,
2773
01:56:31,329 --> 01:56:34,435
for--for most of those people,
this is their first time.
2774
01:56:34,435 --> 01:56:36,748
But this was something
that kind of, like, determined,
2775
01:56:36,748 --> 01:56:39,716
um, my everyday existence,
2776
01:56:39,716 --> 01:56:42,340
so it was quite--
it was quite exhausting.
2777
01:56:42,340 --> 01:56:44,618
And then there was just--
2778
01:56:44,618 --> 01:56:48,518
there was the constant,
um... refrain,
2779
01:56:48,518 --> 01:56:50,762
the constant reiteration
that I wasn't--
2780
01:56:50,762 --> 01:56:52,384
that I wasn't really Irish,
2781
01:56:52,384 --> 01:56:57,907
um, which was difficult because
I wasn't from anywhere else.
2782
01:56:57,907 --> 01:57:00,323
You know, I didn't have--
like, my dad's from Nigeria,
2783
01:57:00,323 --> 01:57:02,256
but I was born and raised
in Ireland.
2784
01:57:02,256 --> 01:57:04,707
So, I didn't--
2785
01:57:04,707 --> 01:57:07,744
Often when I spoke, people--
and I had a Dublin accent,
2786
01:57:07,744 --> 01:57:10,161
people would be really shocked,
and they'd be like,
2787
01:57:10,161 --> 01:57:12,025
"Oh, I thought
you'd be American.
2788
01:57:12,025 --> 01:57:13,647
I thought you'd be Jamaican,
2789
01:57:13,647 --> 01:57:16,822
I thought you'd be, like,
anything, um, but Irish."
2790
01:57:16,822 --> 01:57:23,864
And... I feel it was also, like,
my claims to Irishness
2791
01:57:23,864 --> 01:57:31,044
that, um, provoked quite hostile
responses from people, um,
2792
01:57:31,044 --> 01:57:34,978
because certainly at that time,
to be Irish meant to be white.
2793
01:57:34,978 --> 01:57:38,534
It was all just like, a lot,
you know, for people to...
2794
01:57:38,534 --> 01:57:40,225
[laughs] for people to process.
2795
01:57:40,225 --> 01:57:42,469
And then when I finished school,
2796
01:57:42,469 --> 01:57:45,989
I just wanted to be somewhere
where I wasn't the Black girl.
2797
01:57:45,989 --> 01:57:48,164
I felt really angry
towards Ireland.
2798
01:57:48,164 --> 01:57:51,547
In my mind, I was like,
I used to be Irish.
2799
01:57:52,548 --> 01:57:54,308
It's quite interesting, though.
Around the time I left
2800
01:57:54,308 --> 01:57:57,035
is around the time, um,
Ireland--actually, it was
2801
01:57:57,035 --> 01:57:59,934
pretty much, like, maps
perfectly onto each other,
2802
01:57:59,934 --> 01:58:01,591
is around the time Ireland
2803
01:58:01,591 --> 01:58:03,938
actually started to become
more--more diverse.
2804
01:58:03,938 --> 01:58:05,388
So, just as I was leaving,
2805
01:58:05,388 --> 01:58:07,080
people from other parts
of the world,
2806
01:58:07,080 --> 01:58:08,529
you know, were moving there.
2807
01:58:08,529 --> 01:58:11,567
So, there is now
this whole population of people
2808
01:58:11,567 --> 01:58:14,017
who are Irish who aren't white.
2809
01:58:14,017 --> 01:58:15,605
And it feels
far more ordinary now
2810
01:58:15,605 --> 01:58:17,676
than it did when I was a child.
2811
01:58:17,676 --> 01:58:19,989
When people ask me how
I've managed to, like, hang on
2812
01:58:19,989 --> 01:58:21,646
to my Irish identity, it's like,
2813
01:58:21,646 --> 01:58:23,717
I don't think it's something
I could lose,
2814
01:58:23,717 --> 01:58:27,548
because I feel
it's, like, such a core--
2815
01:58:27,548 --> 01:58:29,792
it's such a core part of me.
2816
01:58:29,792 --> 01:58:33,554
I'm not, like, desperate
to be Irish. I just am Irish.
2817
01:58:33,554 --> 01:58:36,143
No, you're not.
And then living here,
2818
01:58:36,143 --> 01:58:38,594
I really came to understand
2819
01:58:38,594 --> 01:58:40,906
my, like, worldview
was very Irish,
2820
01:58:40,906 --> 01:58:44,531
and I saw, like, the really
big cultural gap, distance,
2821
01:58:44,531 --> 01:58:49,743
gulf between me and, like,
everyone I was meeting.
2822
01:58:49,743 --> 01:58:53,160
I feel like over the years
I've been rehabilitating,
2823
01:58:53,160 --> 01:58:55,611
like, my relationship
with Ireland,
2824
01:58:55,611 --> 01:58:57,958
that realization
of how Irish I am.
2825
01:58:57,958 --> 01:59:04,861
In Ireland, there's like
a surrealist, anarchic spirit.
2826
01:59:04,861 --> 01:59:07,864
[sighs]
Oh, why am I attracted here?
2827
01:59:07,864 --> 01:59:09,521
The land, the sea.
2828
01:59:09,521 --> 01:59:13,076
It's the attitude of the people,
the anarchic quality.
2829
01:59:13,076 --> 01:59:18,944
I have never sat down and listed
what it is that makes me happy.
2830
01:59:18,944 --> 01:59:23,673
When I go west of Skibbereen
to where I live,
2831
01:59:23,673 --> 01:59:28,230
I'm honored that I've been
accepted--a bastard Englishman.
2832
01:59:28,230 --> 01:59:31,474
[sighs] I don't know. I always
feel home is where the heart is.
2833
01:59:31,474 --> 01:59:33,269
When I'm here, my heart is here.
2834
01:59:33,269 --> 01:59:36,583
I love, uh, Ireland.
I love this country.
2835
01:59:36,583 --> 01:59:41,070
I love the food, the people,
the beers, everything.
2836
01:59:41,070 --> 01:59:43,210
- The weather?
- The weather, too.
2837
01:59:43,210 --> 01:59:45,039
Yeah. Of course.
2838
01:59:45,039 --> 01:59:46,938
It is a great advantage
2839
01:59:46,938 --> 01:59:50,562
that so many people feel
so positively towards Ireland.
2840
01:59:50,562 --> 01:59:54,566
It's the reputation, uh,
that we have to protect.
2841
01:59:54,566 --> 01:59:58,156
MULHALL: The essence of Ireland
is as a real contributor
2842
01:59:58,156 --> 02:00:02,505
and through a general desire
to be a good global citizen
2843
02:00:02,505 --> 02:00:04,024
in a changing, challenging,
2844
02:00:04,024 --> 02:00:08,477
and, in some cases,
rather dangerous world today.
2845
02:00:08,477 --> 02:00:09,823
What's amazing about Ireland
2846
02:00:09,823 --> 02:00:11,963
is that we were
once the downtrodden,
2847
02:00:11,963 --> 02:00:13,654
and now we are not.
2848
02:00:13,654 --> 02:00:15,346
Ireland has become
a wealthy country.
2849
02:00:15,346 --> 02:00:16,899
We weren't always.
2850
02:00:16,899 --> 02:00:19,971
So, this idea of us kind of
suddenly forgetting
2851
02:00:19,971 --> 02:00:24,527
or not being interested
in those who have less than us
2852
02:00:24,527 --> 02:00:27,081
shouldn't be
in the Irish vocabulary,
2853
02:00:27,081 --> 02:00:28,704
shouldn't be in the mindset,
2854
02:00:28,704 --> 02:00:30,706
because
we were once those people.
2855
02:00:30,706 --> 02:00:33,226
What the Americans
always often talk about,
2856
02:00:33,226 --> 02:00:34,675
about the American dream--
2857
02:00:34,675 --> 02:00:37,402
the American dream
is the Irish dream.
2858
02:00:37,402 --> 02:00:39,577
That's what--what
the Irish dream really is.
2859
02:00:39,577 --> 02:00:41,786
They just stole the idea.
2860
02:00:41,786 --> 02:00:44,064
INTERVIEWER: Your story is
the American dream,
2861
02:00:44,064 --> 02:00:47,964
but is it really
the Irish dream?
2862
02:00:47,964 --> 02:00:51,485
Well, it's my dream, so...
[chuckles]
2863
02:00:51,485 --> 02:00:54,488
You know,
a man becomes what he dreams.
2864
02:00:54,488 --> 02:00:59,010
He travels far
to find out who he is.
2865
02:00:59,010 --> 02:01:00,529
This country's been good to me.
2866
02:01:00,529 --> 02:01:03,290
Ireland's been good to me.
England's been good to me.
2867
02:01:03,290 --> 02:01:06,500
I'm made up
of all of these ingredients
2868
02:01:06,500 --> 02:01:10,159
of culture and friendship
and people and work.
2869
02:01:10,159 --> 02:01:11,919
Work.
2870
02:01:11,919 --> 02:01:15,958
It's powerful if you can live
creative life, artistic life,
2871
02:01:15,958 --> 02:01:18,305
and make sense of it
and make money at doing it.
2872
02:01:18,305 --> 02:01:20,376
[laughs]
2873
02:01:20,376 --> 02:01:24,380
You know,
uh, make a life for your family.
2874
02:01:25,208 --> 02:01:29,730
Anyway, that's enough about me.
How was I in the second act?
2875
02:01:31,353 --> 02:01:33,493
If you kiss the Blarney Stone,
2876
02:01:33,493 --> 02:01:35,633
you're bestowed
with a gift of eloquence.
2877
02:01:35,633 --> 02:01:38,670
Do you know, I've never kissed
the Blarney Stone?
2878
02:01:38,670 --> 02:01:41,708
I must do that. Might shut me
up for once and for all.
2879
02:01:41,708 --> 02:01:43,641
I have a bit of a fear
of heights, and I do believe
2880
02:01:43,641 --> 02:01:45,608
you have to go all
the way back and put your--
2881
02:01:45,608 --> 02:01:47,334
No, not for me. Not for me.
2882
02:01:47,334 --> 02:01:48,991
INTERVIEWER:
Do you think begrudgery
2883
02:01:48,991 --> 02:01:51,476
is part of the Irish psyche?
2884
02:01:51,476 --> 02:01:53,547
Ah, look, I think
we probably invented it.
2885
02:01:53,547 --> 02:01:56,170
There's nothing good
about being second in life.
2886
02:01:56,170 --> 02:01:57,517
Rather be number one.
2887
02:01:57,517 --> 02:01:59,795
Have you been out
to Jamaica to GoldenEye,
2888
02:01:59,795 --> 02:02:02,418
owned by Chris Blackwell?
- I did, yes.
2889
02:02:02,418 --> 02:02:03,937
Keely and I went out there
2890
02:02:03,937 --> 02:02:06,215
when our little boy Dylan
was a babby.
2891
02:02:06,215 --> 02:02:07,872
Oh. [laughs]
2892
02:02:07,872 --> 02:02:11,358
I remember Kate Moss was there
and Naomi Campbell... [laughs]
2893
02:02:11,358 --> 02:02:13,671
...was sitting, and Keely,
bless her heart,
2894
02:02:13,671 --> 02:02:17,053
she was breastfeeding
at the time--little baby boy.
2895
02:02:17,053 --> 02:02:19,573
But sitting there
with Naomi Campbell
2896
02:02:19,573 --> 02:02:22,507
and Kate Moss,
and they're topless.
2897
02:02:22,507 --> 02:02:25,545
"Oh, look at the baby.
He's lovely. He's lovely"
2898
02:02:25,545 --> 02:02:28,202
while she's trying to nur--
he's trying to nurse.
2899
02:02:28,202 --> 02:02:31,758
"No, no, no, no. That's Mum."
2900
02:02:31,758 --> 02:02:33,242
INTERVIEWER:
Usain, I think you helped Ricky
2901
02:02:33,242 --> 02:02:35,071
get his honorary doctorate.
2902
02:02:35,071 --> 02:02:36,659
Dr. Simms.
2903
02:02:38,420 --> 02:02:39,800
- See?
- You got yours first.
2904
02:02:39,800 --> 02:02:41,526
Exactly. That's what I'm saying.
2905
02:02:41,526 --> 02:02:42,700
I helped him
to get his doctorate.
2906
02:02:42,700 --> 02:02:44,115
- I only got my--
- Yeah, I helped him.
2907
02:02:44,115 --> 02:02:45,634
If it wasn't for him,
I would never have gotten it.
2908
02:02:45,634 --> 02:02:48,291
So--so, you're welcome. [laughs]
2909
02:02:48,291 --> 02:02:50,673
- It's helped me a lot, actually.
- [laughs]
2910
02:02:50,673 --> 02:02:53,469
- I've done a lot of surgeries.
- [laughs]
2911
02:02:53,469 --> 02:02:55,678
Got a little fly here,
which is...
2912
02:02:55,678 --> 02:02:58,612
It's electric?
[imitates electrical buzzing]
2913
02:02:58,612 --> 02:03:00,476
There's always potatoes.
2914
02:03:00,476 --> 02:03:03,859
There's always, um,
Ballymaloe Relish.
2915
02:03:03,859 --> 02:03:05,757
I really love Irish chocolate.
2916
02:03:05,757 --> 02:03:07,138
I think Irish chocolate
tastes different
2917
02:03:07,138 --> 02:03:09,036
than any chocolate
anywhere else in the world.
2918
02:03:09,036 --> 02:03:11,073
But, yeah, I get
little food hampers.
2919
02:03:11,073 --> 02:03:14,041
I get them sent, definitely.
They keep me going.
2920
02:03:14,041 --> 02:03:16,043
INTERVIEWER: We asked,
"Who's the greatest Irishman?"
2921
02:03:16,043 --> 02:03:20,323
And the overwhelming majority
say you, so...
2922
02:03:20,323 --> 02:03:22,118
WOMAN: Well, that's a nice way
to end the interview.
2923
02:03:22,118 --> 02:03:25,225
Can I just--Can I just say,
they cannot be more wrong?
2924
02:03:25,225 --> 02:03:28,953
And as I pointed out, the sense
of the absurd and the Irish,
2925
02:03:28,953 --> 02:03:31,783
that's--that's exactly
the perfect example.
2926
02:03:31,783 --> 02:03:34,096
- But thank you.
- Sorry, Bob. Um...
2927
02:03:34,096 --> 02:03:36,029
[speaks indistinctly]
2928
02:03:36,029 --> 02:03:37,479
INTERVIEWER: Is there any way
you could actually
2929
02:03:37,479 --> 02:03:39,101
show us an Irish goodbye
2930
02:03:39,101 --> 02:03:43,105
for those who don't actually
know what an Irish goodbye is?
2931
02:03:45,728 --> 02:03:50,215
Would you be able to demonstrate
an Irish goodbye to us?
2932
02:03:50,215 --> 02:03:51,596
Just run off.
2933
02:03:51,596 --> 02:03:53,805
- [laughs] Is it?
- [laughs] It is.
2934
02:03:55,186 --> 02:03:56,912
Do a runner. Come on.
2935
02:03:56,912 --> 02:03:58,810
INTERVIEWER:
What is an Irish goodbye?
2936
02:03:58,810 --> 02:04:02,642
Okay, so I never heard of this
until I was in America.
2937
02:04:02,642 --> 02:04:03,919
And since
I've started hearing it,
2938
02:04:03,919 --> 02:04:05,161
since I started hearing it
in America,
2939
02:04:05,161 --> 02:04:06,439
I'm hearing it all the time,
like,
2940
02:04:06,439 --> 02:04:07,819
oh, I did an Irish goodbye.
2941
02:04:07,819 --> 02:04:09,269
It's leaving without
saying goodbye to people.
2942
02:04:09,269 --> 02:04:12,686
But I literally never
heard it until a year ago.
2943
02:04:12,686 --> 02:04:14,516
Is it a new thing?
Was it always a thing?
2944
02:04:14,516 --> 02:04:15,896
Is it an American thing?
2945
02:04:15,896 --> 02:04:20,142
An Irish goodbye.
I'm quite well known for that.
2946
02:04:23,076 --> 02:04:26,286
Like, a Irish goodbye
right now, actually.
2947
02:04:26,286 --> 02:04:28,253
Run out of things to say.
2948
02:04:28,253 --> 02:04:30,359
I think that's
probably a good idea, Frank.
2949
02:04:30,359 --> 02:04:33,638
♪
2950
02:04:48,377 --> 02:04:51,553
I was trying to think. I think
I've made almost every move.
2951
02:04:51,553 --> 02:04:52,864
[clatter]
2952
02:04:52,864 --> 02:04:55,660
Don't get hurt, man.
We need you.
2953
02:04:55,660 --> 02:04:58,076
[scattered laughter]
2954
02:04:58,076 --> 02:05:00,044
You okay? All right.
2955
02:05:00,044 --> 02:05:01,770
I'll tell you what happened
to me in America once
2956
02:05:01,770 --> 02:05:03,806
after I spoke at an event.
This guy came up to me.
2957
02:05:03,806 --> 02:05:06,119
He said, "Gee," said,
"I learned something tonight.
2958
02:05:06,119 --> 02:05:08,777
He said,
"Never give a Mick a mic."