-[Stassi Schroeder] You guys. -[group] Hi!
[excited chatter]
[Stassi] I'm so excited to be here.
-So glad it's you because I know... -[Jessi] Yeah.
...you're totally, like, unbiased.
-And so-- -Thank you. I've been in your shoes.
The holidays are a time for joy...
She was a snake in the fucking grass. It's disgusting.
I didn't say I was gonna leave you for him.
-I told Marciano... -That's what--
...I most likely am gonna leave my husband 'cause I'm unhappy.
...for celebration...
-[Jen] How do you feel about your wife... -H-Hold--
...texting the word "cum" to another male?
How do you feel about that?
[Stassi] ...to leave the room...
[sobbing] I want to go home.
...to fah-la-la-la lose your fucking mind.
I just don't know how you could keep lying.
What the fuck is wrong with you?
Just take a couple of breaths.
On camera, to Layla, you're like, "I don't care about Jessi.
She's a fucking liar and cheater."
'Tis the damn Secret Lives of Mormon Wives Season Three Reunion, y'all.
Merry MomTok Christmas.
[bells ringing]
[♪ festive music playing]
[Conner] After the baby.
-[Jen] Today's gonna be fun. -[Layla] I know.
-Yes. -[Layla] I'm a little nervous.
I look... different this season.
[Jen] You-- You look genuine.
Like, just like who you are.
-Well, we'll see if Taylor shows up today. -[Jacob] Yeah.
-[Conner] What? Actually? -Yeah, she's not here.
-So, basically-- -Wait, but why wouldn't she come?
[Jordan] Dakota told me yesterday,
she was like, "I'm not coming tomorrow if Dakota's coming."
[Conner] Is Dakota coming?
We'll see.
[♪ energetic music playing]
...but the one that Sydney made and all my bands, gone.
Apparently, Demi is going out of her way to get a cease and desist.
I think Demi and Bret, specifically, they have more skeletons in their closet.
And so, if they can flip that narrative and talk badly about Jen,
it-- it covers them up.
-[Demi] Welcome. What's going on? -[Taylor groans]
-Are you okay? -Oh. Yeah, I'm great.
-[Taylor chuckles] -Come on out with it.
I mean, I-- Well, we have all day for that. [laughs]
Yeah.
[baby fussing]
Maybe use this as like a opportunity to get everything off of your chest.
Think it's-- The fucker's not here.
He's gonna watch it, obviously.
My stupid brain won't shut up. Like, I'm, like, getting ready.
I'm, like, already heated and I'm like, "Shut up."
[♪ soft, dramatic music playing]
[Conner] Dear Heavenly Father,
we want to thank Thee for the opportunity we have
to come together today.
We pray that we can have the strength
to stand by our own principles and our own values
as well as listen to those who may have differing opinions.
And we say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.
[group] Amen.
[producer] Alright, you guys, ♪ Secret Lives: Season Three Reunion ♪
[cast cheering and applauds]
Gorgeous, gorgeous girls.
-[Mayci] Thank you. -[Whitney] Hi, Stassi.
-[Demi] Welcome to you. -You look beautiful.
-You do, too. -[Stassi] Thank you.
[Demi] Is this your first hosting?
No, I did Villa. So, this is my second one.
-Oh, reunion you hosted? -Yeah.
Okay. I didn't watch it for obvious reasons.
But it wasn't because of you.
-[Stassi] Yeah, no, it's okay. -[Demi laughs]
[♪ tense music playing]
[Conner] I would love to hear your truth, Bret.
Like, just tell us where you're coming from.
[Bret] The biggest problem I think I have with everybody is...
the knee-jerk reaction to Demi saying that she was a victim
was to not believe her.
The only reason I ever brought up you having sex with Marciano
was because he told me that that's what happened.
It didn't happen. He did tell us you guys kissed.
-So, I'm hearing that. -False. Yeah. False.
There was not a kiss on the mouth.
There was two ass-grabs.
If he actually assaulted you, why did you continue to talk to him?
Just the classic case of victim-blaming.
Can we agree that she was like flirting and having long conversations
and, like, building a relationship with the guy that she just met?
[Bret] She wasn't building a relationship with him.
Not flirty at all.
[Zac] You would feel comfortable sending to another woman
that you're swallowing cum?
I'm not wired like you, bud.
-[Zac] You should rewire yourself then. -[Bret] Oh, yeah?
-[Zac] That's disturbing, bro. -Okay. Alright, little guy.
-It's delulu land, dude. -[Bret] What'd you say?
You guys live in a different universe. How-- How can--
[Bret] I had no idea
-that pathological lying was contagious... -[Zac] How can you watch that?
[Bret] ...but I guess it is.
[♪ dramatic music playing]
Bret, I don't even know why you're here. Just walk away.
Everyone's being nice to you.
People just talk shit behind your back 'cause you're a shitty person.
[Bret] Hey, the feeling's mutual, dipshit,
-just so you know. -[Zac] Good.
And it's so hard to take you seriously with your little munchkin voice.
-[Zac] Oh, nice, bro. You're a big guy. -Good Lord! I'm serious.
[Jace] I think that's a little steep.
And I don't think anything good is gonna come from talking like that.
I know! I've heard a lot.
And people always-- I haven't seen your show,
but they're like, "You remind me of S-- Stassi."
Obviously, I need to go watch it 'cause I'm like, "I wanna see."
Now, I-- Like, I don't want you to see it
'cause I just don't want you to judge me in my 20s.
It's not who you are now, I'm sure.
Oh, was it like a long time ago?
Yeah. I was like 22 when I-- when I started it.
I'm 37 now. I am your elder.
But the crazy thing to me,
-Zac, about you and Jen-- -[Zac] Alright. Let's just--
Hey, Bret, let's just-- let's just watch this.
-You're good, bro. -No. I'm gonna keep talking.
I don't care to talk to you. I don't care to talk to Demi.
I don't care to talk about any of that stuff.
-That's your story. -[Bret] The feeling's mutual, bud.
-But we're gonna clear the air. -That's perfect. So, let's just--
[Bret] And I'm-- And I'm gonna talk to you.
I'm here. So, we're gonna talk.
Welcome to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Season Three Reunion.
I'm your host, Stassi Schroeder.
And the holidays must've come early this year
because we've got some gifts in store for you.
We've decked the halls, lined the trees,
and pulled out all the red carpets for our very merry Mormon wives
to look back at a very memorable season.
Ladies, I am dazzled. I'm delighted to be a part of this.
Not just because I am a huge fan,
but because, like, I have been exactly in your shoes.
I've dated the bad boy, argued allegations,
had the fallouts, and managed the fame.
Last time this cast was on this stage,
y'all had a medic in the back
and a pregnancy suite in the dressing room.
Since then, we've had some very exciting updates.
Take a look.
It's like 3:45 in the morning and my water just broke.
I'm nervous.
[Mikayla groaning]
♪ We'll make it through ♪
[Mikayla screams]
She's so sweet.
That was crazy.
[baby cries]
-[group] Aw! -So cute.
Mikayla, did you have underwear on when you were giving birth in the shower?
No. Honestly, I was so blacked out at that point,
like, I was in another planet. Um, but no.
-That was a monitor. Yeah. -It was a little monitoring strap.
-Oh! -[Mikayla] Yeah.
Mayci and Mikayla, there's a conspiracy theory
that you both named your daughters Charlotte.
Is this true?
We actually didn't.
-[Mayci] We didn't. -[Stassi] That was a joke?
-[Mayci] It's a conspiracy online. Yeah. -[Mikayla] No.
Shut the fuck up!
-[laughing] -I always liked the name Lottie.
It was like my one that I had throughout
that I was like, "Okay, I'm sticking to this."
-Yeah, yeah. -[Stassi] It's so cute.
And I knew that Mayci had Charli on her list.
I didn't even know what name she was naming her baby
until like two days after birth.
[Stassi] Wait, so you guys, neither of your child's name is Charlotte?
-[Mayci and Mikayla] No. -Hilarious!
-[Jessi] That is crazy. -[Stassi] I was got.
[laughter]
-Jen, you shared so much... -Yes.
[Stassi] ...about, like, your struggles while you were pregnant.
I think it's just, like, prenatal, like...
-Yeah. -...depression.
I think I first started feeling depressed
when I realized what needed to change in my life and in my marriage.
But it wasn't until after I found out I was pregnant
that I truly hit rock bottom.
[crying] I don't even know what happened yesterday.
[Whitney] Oh, Jen. Oh, my God.
How are you feeling now, postpartum?
-Yeah. Um-- Sorry. I'm crying. -Aw.
[crying] Oh, my gosh. I'm sorry.
It's just crazy to see...
[breathes deeply]
...how far I've come.
It's just me-- Sorry.
It's okay. Little Penny with so much hair.
[group] Aw!
It's just crazy to see... [sniffles]
...um, her now.
I just love her so much.
And she's like literally everything to me.
I remember, when I found out I was pregnant with her,
I was genuinely disappointed because I felt like I wasn't ready.
But everything happens for a reason,
and she is, like, the reason why I'm healed to this day.
[sniffles, exhales]
-Sorry. -I'm sure people have reached out to you
-about, "Oh, my gosh... -[Jen] Oh yeah.
"...thank you for being so open
-about what you went through." -Yes.
-You are helping people. Right now. -[Jen] Yes. Oh, yeah.
Prenatal depression and postpartum is not talked about enough.
Rewatching that just made me realize like, "Oh, my gosh.
Like, I can't believe I'm here and I'm in a better place."
And I feel like I'm genuinely happier.
-And it's because of her, so... -[Stassi] I love that.
Our babies always save us.
-[through TV] They really do. -[Jen] Yeah.
That was not mature how we did it.
-Let's just talk. I genuinely wanna know. -[Bret] Okay. My fault too.
Let's start over. Seriously.
Where I am hurt and have feelings towards you and Demi,
is you know the hell that I was going through. I came to you.
Like, I looked up to you as like this older,
you know, person I could get advice from.
And I felt like we talked, and you gave me a lot of good advice.
I'm-- I'm sorry to hear that. I genuinely am.
And I didn't know the extent to which Jen was hurting.
-Come here. [laughing] -I thought you were gonna beat my ass.
[laughing] No. I'm not gonna do that.
[Stassi] Demi, how are you?
-I'm good. How are you? -You're back in MomTok.
-I'm back. It's crazy. -[Stassi] No, I was shocked.
Whitney came back because... Dancing with the Stars.
-[laughter] -She made it very clear.
But I didn't know why-- why you came back.
I just felt like there was unfinished business.
-Yeah. -And I felt like
there was a pattern of self-sabotage.
And watching myself back, I'm like, "Ooh, there's my shadow."
There is, like, the sides of me that need to be healed.
And for me, I'm like, "No, I deserve to be here."
And I have, you know, a story to tell, so...
-[Stassi] Yeah. -I'm excited. I'm excited to be back.
Well, good to have you here.
Thank you.
From breakups to makeups, and a few massive shakeups,
MomTok and Co. have kept things moving
and kept us guessing.
So tonight, we are leaving no stone unturned,
no tea un-spilled,
and no Dunkin' Refresher unstirred.
We will be joined by a slew of surprise guests popping in
as our fabulous Dunkin' Sip and Tellers at our Dunkin' Bev Bar.
Let's cut to the chase.
-[Jen] Oh Lord. -[Taylor] Oh, no.
Oh, no!
[cast] Oh! [exclaiming]
Ladies, MomTok, how we doing?
[♪ mischievous music playing]
Apparently, I was unanimously requested by everyone here to be the bartender.
That's a full-blown lie.
-Maybe Taylor. -No.
We got some drinks for everyone here, snacks...
Just stay behind the bar. I don't need to get touched again.
At least you used "touched"
-instead of "shoved". -[laughing] I know!
-Taylor. -Chase.
-Thank you. -There you go.
-Oh, it's really good. Mm. -It does have caffeine?
We've got some questions for you, Chase.
Is it weird to be sitting, like, behind Taylor?
I'm normally next to her.
-Oh. -Oh!
-[Jen] Oh Lordy. -He'd rather be on top or bottom though.
[♪ dramatic sting]
[Stassi] Let's talk about your date.
Um...
-Should we kiss for old time's sake? -[Taylor gasps]
[♪ mischievous music playing]
Taylor, did you know it was a date?
Mm, no, not really.
I think it was like he wanted to just apologize.
I don't know why it's such a big deal.
I'm not married to Miranda anymore.
Okay, Miranda...
-[Miranda] Yeah? -...did you know about this date?
From what I heard, it was a coffee meetup to put water under the bridge.
That's what I heard.
That's not a date.
It just felt like there were a few details left out,
and that's really where my confusion came from.
Right. Okay.
I mean, I would be annoyed too. So, yeah.
Chase, Taylor, where do you guys think you go from here?
[♪ dramatic music playing]
[Taylor] We'll see. I don't know.
[Stassi] Okay. Alright.
So, it looks like we're all gonna have to watch this on season four.
And we have so much to get through.
Thanks, Chase, for the Sip and Telling.
Alright!
You know we love a little game around here.
So tonight, whether you're sipping on hot cocoa, a cola, or a Cosmo,
we've got a buzzword for you.
Every time you hear the word "accountability"...
[laughter]
...we invite all of you at home to take a sip.
They're gonna get alcohol poisoning.
You still can't sit here and just take accountability
and say, "You're right. I'm here for this."
I know that's your favorite word.
Oh, God, the "accountability." It's like the favorite word.
Jessi took accountability.
And I take full accountability.
But again, this is to take accountability.
The lack of accountability.
You're just taking accountability.
-We don't hear any accountability. -I get it.
Should we look up the definition?
Because I think a lot of people in this group
don't even know what it means.
"Accountability is the state of being held responsible
for something or someone."
Take accountability.
-Accountability. -Accountability.
I'm not even gonna say the word "accountability."
Holy shit, we use that word way too much.
But take accountability. [laughs]
[laughter]
[Demi] I love the accountability.
That scene alone had like 12.
-That's hilarious. -I'm the only one not in that montage.
I don't buy into it.
-[Whitney] Jessi. -What'd she say?
She said, "I'm proud I'm not in that montage."
-[Stassi] No, that was Jordan. -Wow, Jessi. Gold star.
[Stassi] Whitney, at one point this past season,
you called the other women your coworkers.
Like, what inspired this change of heart?
Because it looks like, overnight,
you were like, "I want everyone to be friends again."
Honestly, I feel like it was more so during press week.
I think, like, it was just Demi and I,
and then it was everyone else.
These were huge milestones that we were all accomplishing together.
So, I was like, "It's kinda sad that, like, we can't even be work-friends."
Mayci, I wanna ask you why she went to you to heal MomTok.
At first, when she approached me, I was like,
-"This is a bad idea." -Yeah.
[Mayci] And then I was like, "Okay, well, we can try it and I'll--
I can't make any promises that people aren't gonna break out in a fight."
But I think it was cool because it took--
Every single one of us had to be vulnerable and open up
or else it wouldn't have gone the way that it did.
It went better than I thought it did-- or would go.
It went than I thought it would.
-[Mayci] Yeah? -Yeah.
I feel like I'm good with every single one of you.
I would consider every single one of you one of my friends.
Yeah.
[Stassi] Well, the guys have been patiently waiting backstage,
but I think it's time we bring them out to join the fun.
DadTok, come on out.
[♪ dramatic music playing]
[Conner] See you out there.
I'm nervous about going.
♪ I don't know what you heard about me but I am the if ♪
[Stassi] Here to join in on the fun are Jace, Jordan, Conner, Zac, and Jacob.
I was just in London filming the next season of Vanderpump Villa
and some of you guys were there.
How was the villa, guys?
Zac, why did you turn bright red?
-[group chuckling] -Uh, I just saw some things that--
-Oh, God. -Oh, what'd you see?
[Taylor] Saw or heard or both?
Those aren't my secrets to share.
I will say he was a little testy when he came home from London.
So I was like, "You been hanging out with Jordan too much?"
-[Chase laughs] -[Mayci] You were a little spicy.
-[Jacob] I was not. -He's not usually spicy.
What happened in England?
You're gonna have to wait and tune in.
-[laughing] -[Zac] Just wait.
Oh!
Alright. More of that on season four of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives.
Now, if you need a drink at home, grab a chaser.
And for anyone here, just grab Chase.
Let's see who else is behind the bar.
[group exclaiming]
[cheering and applause]
That's one reporter I'll-- I'll clap for.
-Cutie! -[cast laughing and cheering]
[Chase] Woo!
[Jacob] Mason, why is your shirt on?
-[laughter] -[Layla] Take it off!
-So, you guys are official? -[Layla] Mm-hmm.
-[Stassi] Official, official? -[Mason] Mm-hmm.
-[Layla] How are you? -Good, how are you?
-Good. -Happy Birthday.
[Layla] Thank you.
Mason is Chase's brother, and he's frickin' hot.
-[Mason laughs] -Do you think it's weird? Be honest.
I don’t know. I guess it's not weird.
I saw Chase a year ago now.
I know that Mason was interested in me first
before Chase was.
So I just accidentally tried out the wrong brother first,
and now, we're doing redo.
-[Stassi] Cute! -[group exclaiming]
-Yay. -[applause]
Also, Layla, so I hear Mason has met your kids.
[Layla] Yes, he has.
[Stassi] Do they love him? Did he pass the test?
-The kids test? -Yeah.
-I fear they're obsessed with him. Yeah. -The other day,
-when we were on that hike... -Yeah.
-[Stassi] 'Cause he looks like Tarzan. -...they ran up to him like, "Mason!"
I always-- Every single time they're eating,
they're like, "I'm gonna eat all my food so I get big bus--
big muscles like Mason."
-I'm like, "Okay. Do that." -[cast] Aw!
-That's so sweet. Same. -[Stassi] So smart.
I have to ask, who's a better kisser?
[Chase slurping]
Definitely Mason.
[chuckling]
I was gonna ask who's bigger. [chuckles]
[Stassi] I wanna shift gears from Mason and Layla
and talk about another relationship.
Mikayla and Jace,
you guys were very vulnerable about your struggles this season.
I feel like I've made a lot of strides with my past sexual abuse.
But as far as the intimacy issues,
I feel like it's been one area that I haven't been able to progress at all.
Intimacy for me is really important.
It's like a deal breaker.
I think it's someone else's fault
that they took things and stole things from you.
And if I'm frustrated, I'm frustrating at those people.
I'm not frustrated with you.
Mikayla, how does it feel hearing Jace say not having intimacy is an issue for him?
[exhales] Sorry, I'm just gonna take a second.
[♪ tense music playing]
[♪ gentle music playing]
Sorry, I'm just gonna take a second.
[softly weeping]
[exhales] Sorry.
[sniffles]
It's still really fresh, everything that I'm working through.
I know it's a really big need of his.
And I think he's been very patient with me.
Mikayla's been amazing.
I think that she's handling it better than I could've in her situation.
Have things improved at all since... the finale?
Since that time?
I feel like I haven't had my body or felt in my body for a long time
because of my health issues.
Also, she had a baby. [chuckles]
-And I just got pregnant. Yeah. -Had a baby. Yeah.
She carried that baby to term and pushed that baby out--
And then after having the baby,
it's like my health stuff all came back 180 overnight.
And then, for him, it's still hard
'cause we're still having the intimacy issues.
And I'm like, "I don't know how to overcome it."
I think that's what's hard.
Yeah.
Jessi, you look like you're getting emotional.
Yeah. Um...
I actually loved watching Mikayla's story because I knew that had happened to her,
but seeing it play out
and, like, seeing her thoughts and feelings behind it, um, I can relate.
I-- I've been doing a lot of therapy because of mine and Jordan's situation,
and I actually uncovered the memory that I was raped when I was 19.
[♪ somber music playing]
[voice breaking] And, um...
it-- it really-- it, like, started a lot of my, um, issues,
um, about, like, going emotionally numb and pushing people away
and feeling not good enough.
And after uncovering that, um...
me and Jordan already had our struggles but it made it worse.
Like, I... I know exactly how you feel.
[crying] Like, I-- I don't want him to touch me
and it's not his fault, but like--
It-- It's so crazy how your body reacts.
It's not just your emotions, you know?
Um, so yeah, that's just been an-- another layer of healing for me.
But watching her story, like, it just really hit home for me
and I-- I understand fully how that can feel.
[Stassi] Conner, what's going through your head right now?
-[softly] Sorry. -It's okay. [sniffles]
[Conner sighs, sniffles]
[voice breaking] I'm so sorry, Jessi.
[sighs heavily] I feel like I can't relate in the same way.
I struggled with intimacy in polarizing ways.
And I don't want to speak for Mikayla, or Jessi, or anyone else,
but it can be challenging to rewire your brain.
At least for me, the two polarizing parts were like,
"Please don't touch me.
I don't have control here and it scares me,"
to, "I want to have like hypersexuality."
Like, "I wanna have as much sex as possible
"to put distance between me and that event.
I just need to get that out of my system."
So, I don't know
if I can necessarily relate with your relationships,
but I do know that the patience that you are giving your spouses is healing,
and it is breeding intimacy between the both of you.
[Mikayla] I feel like that's one good thing
that has come from the fame.
I think it has pushed a lot of us out of our comfort zone.
I don't know when I would've talked about it.
For me, I would probably just push it away till I was 40 or 50.
So, I think this is a great thing.
Like, all the conversations that we've had, I think, are amazing.
And I think they're helping so many people that are watching.
So I think that's my-- that's my pro.
Demi, are you okay?
[Demi sniffling]
[sighs heavily]
What is this triggering for you?
I think just like deep, deep wounds
and things for me that I haven't fully uncovered.
[crying] And things I know I've been through
that I've blocked out as well. [sighs]
And then just listening to you guys talk about it is like,
it's so sad that we're sitting here in a room
and, like, how many people in this room have experienced
something like this, to a degree.
And that with everything that I went through the past year--
Not to compare, 'cause what I went through
was not even close to what most everyone has gone through.
But it triggered a lot of really horrible things
that have happened in my life.
[sniffles]
So, to not be believed and be questioned
and, like, be called a liar...
[sighs, sniffles]
...um, yeah, that-- it was just horrible.
So, I'm touched to, like, hear the way you guys are talking about it.
And Conner, when you talk about it,
it's like... [sniffles]
[voice breaking] my little younger self is like getting the hug
that I needed. [sniffles]
[Stassi] You guys should be so proud of yourselves.
Thank you for being so open. All of you.
I feel like you're gonna help so many people...
-[Jessi] Mm. -[Stassi] ...by talking about it.
We have a former member of DadTok waiting to join us
and now feels like a good time.
Let's bring out Bret.
[♪ gentle music playing]
He's joined us here now.
How are you doing?
-Doing well. Happy to be here. -[Stassi] Good.
So, for the past two seasons,
fans have been wondering
what really happened with Marciano and MomTok.
We've read receipts, reviewed recaps,
and for some reason still haven't wrapped this up.
Take a look.
[Layla] So, I met with Marciano,
and he told me that you guys have been having an affair
the past couple months.
[scoffs]
He's told me that you guys had sex.
Oh, my fucking hell! I can't!
We did not have sex.
There's dark parts of me that just sometimes wanna throw up my hands
and just say, "I don't wanna do this anymore."
Are you still the person that I wanna be with?
It ultimately led to us deciding to separate.
Did Demi tell you to say that you slept with Jessi?
Yeah.
[Mayci] Did you and Demi kiss in Italy?
[Marciano] Oh, God, you guys.
If I go admitting to that, I just don't want a war.
I know Marciano was hurt by me ending things abruptly.
So, it does make sense that he would join forces with Demi
because he wanted revenge.
-[Layla] Oh! -[Mayci] What?
-Who is that? -Marciano.
He said, "Uninvited to the function
'cause a 30-year-old Mormon wife's scared to tell her husband the truth."
[Mayci gasps]
-[Layla] And then Demi commented... -Yeah.
...and she goes, "Grown men acting like a child
'cause they couldn't bag a married woman."
-Facts. -And then she commented another time,
-"Also, he got uninvited... -I'd do it again.
...because he's a sexual predator."
He's not a sexual assaulter.
-[Jessi] He's not. -He's not a predator.
[Demi] I think the biggest thing for me that's triggering right now
is not feeling believed and not feeling like people truly wanna understand.
She knows how to bulldoze you in conversation.
She has a way of making people believe her.
[Demi] Never once did I feel it for him.
We've never kissed in our life.
I've never even told him he was cute.
Period. The end.
[Jen] My gut is telling me everything is calculated.
I definitely think she's a threat to MomTok's foundation.
The band is officially back together.
[Jessi] We still have a lot to work on
but I do feel a little more hopeful
because I am seeing patterns and behaviors that I needed to see before.
I personally feel like the things that I've needed to face, I've faced.
So, are you ready to officially move back in?
I'm over the moon about having a chance to take another stab at this.
-So, Jessi, you had an emotional affair... -[Jessi] Mm-hmm.
-[Stassi] ...with Marciano. -[Jessi] Mm-hmm.
What did he provide for you emotionally?
I always say, like, it honestly could've been anyone. [chuckles]
At home, I just was feeling not seen, not appreciated, not loved,
I couldn't do anything right.
So, just to have someone who, like, thought I was cool or funny
or just, like, didn't see those negative things.
Like, it was just someone giving me attention in a positive way
and not putting me down all the time.
Do you regret though, cheating?
Yeah, I wish I would've just left Jordan at that time instead of cheating.
I truly was like, "If I do something like this,
like, that will get me out."
It was almost like, "Well, he hasn't hit me,
he hasn't done anything like that."
So, like, it was really hard to, like, justify leaving.
But emotional abuse and that toxicity can drain you.
And it did. And it made me a person I'm not proud of.
[Stassi] Mm-hmm.
Mayci, I know you had a lot of opinions about this.
Yeah, no, it's hard.
I obviously am someone who's been through an abusive relationship.
And I know theirs isn't the same as mine.
But I think, for me, I like that Jordan was finally owning things.
But I was also like as long as you-- we have the action behind it.
'Cause words are just words unless there's action put behind it, um...
But yeah, no, I mean, it's not something you wanna hear about your friend.
That's why I'm always really protective of Taylor.
But at the end of the day, I know they have to make their own choices.
So, I try to stay in one relationship at a time
and do-- [laughs] do what I can.
Just like I'm not trying to jump too deep into Jessi's now.
I will say, I do remember him taking his part
of being like, "I did mess up. I did do this to her, and I did do that."
And there was no "buts" after.
And so, I appreciated that part of it.
But, behind closed doors, when you go home with him,
I don't know how that was.
So, we all don't know that part.
So, only they can speak on that one.
Well, Jessi, do you feel like Jordan has put action behind it?
Yeah. We've been in therapy for a while,
and I have seen a lot of changes, I will say.
Like, I wouldn't still be here if that wasn't happening.
[Stassi] Mm.
Unfortunately, healing isn't overnight,
so we've had setbacks and there are still things I worry about.
But, overall, I do feel like he's taken what I've said and applied a lot of it.
I just need time to see if it's gonna feel genuine, you know?
Jordan, how do you feel about that?
[Jordan] I've had to make changes.
And I've had to look at myself in the mirror
and like think about, like, the kind of person that I want to be.
Not for Jessi, but for myself.
Like, I am-- I'm proud of myself for the changes that I've made.
And I really hope that those changes are enough
to have a chance at saving my family.
[Stassi] Well, there was even more drama behind the scenes
the night Layla broke the news of Jessi's affair.
Take a look at this extended cut
of one of the phone calls between Jessi and Marciano.
[♪ tense music playing]
[Jessi] I am just gonna go like this.
Jordan, how do you feel watching that?
Well, um...
little bit, um...
triggered.
-Okay. -[Jordan] Yeah.
I, uh, was specifically told by Jessi that she never had said
that she was gonna leave me for that piece of shit.
I didn't say I was gonna leave you for him.
-I told Marciano... -That's what--
...I most likely am gonna leave my husband 'cause I'm unhappy.
-Right, but you said it right there. -I never said it was for him.
...that footage, is what that said.
-[overlapping chatter] -No, he said, "Leave Jordan." Period.
-He didn't say, "For me." -Okay.
-And I never said, "For him." -I may have put that in my own head then.
-[Jessi] Yeah. -Okay. Well, then, yeah.
Jessi, the results of the lie detector test
-were inconclusive at parts. -Yeah.
Specifically, the parts about... contact with Marciano besides two kisses.
-We got the results? -You guys, the results are in.
[Mikayla] "Have you ever had sexual intercourse with Marciano?"
It says, "No."
-"True." -[Mayci] Yeah.
So, you're good on that one.
Number two: "Besides those two kisses,
have you ever had any sexual physical contact with Marciano?" "No."
[♪ suspenseful music playing]
"Inconclusive."
Wait, what?
-What can you say about that? -I know. That looked so bad.
I was like, "Shit."
So, in the moment, when she asked that question
I was like, "Okay, nothing else happened besides those two kisses, honestly."
But in my head, I was like, "Okay, well, I did touch his arm.
Like, he did grab me here." Like, there were things like that.
But I'm like, "I don't wanna say yes."
So, I said no, and then it came back that way.
So, I understand why.
Because in my head, I was having that internal battle.
At this point, though, like, I know my truth.
It did say we didn't have sex
-and I'm glad that that was cleared up. -[Stassi] Yeah.
And genuinely, nothing else happened.
And at this point, I would also say it. Because also--
Yeah, what do you have to lose at this point?
-No, literally. -[Stassi] Like, really.
And half the time, I've wanted to leave Jordan.
-It would give me a reason. Genuinely. -[Stassi] Yeah.
And I've told him that.
[Bret] Can I ask you guys, just to everybody?
You watch Marciano talk like that. The way that he talks.
How do you give anything that he says any credibility whatsoever?
I think that's why it's so messy is 'cause you can't.
-[Mikayla] We know he's not reliable. -But just using just basic common sense.
We're just using the facts that we've seen, too.
-[overlapping chatter] -We've seen the messages off his phone.
It's not what Marciano is saying. We clearly know he speaks in riddles.
When you guys were at the villa in England,
you guys seemed okay with Marciano.
-No, not-- -I-- I wasn't.
These gu-- Yeah, I will be honest...
-[Jacob] I never chummed up with him. -...not-- yeah, not-- not me.
He did seem like he was a nice guy there.
He was charismatic. He stayed out of the drama.
Like, I felt like he was respectful to Jordan.
So, if the-- It was confusing.
[Stassi] Okay, Demi, what do you say
about continuing on a friendship and relationship with him
after what you're accusing him of?
Yeah, I mean, we have to separate the two
because you can be sexually assaulted and then also continue a relationship.
So, one doesn't have to take away from the other.
And why I did that? I think, honestly, just boils down to a trauma response.
And having a lack of boundaries,
and feeling like I needed to make excuses for what happened
and also, to keep what happened quiet
because I didn't want it to come out.
And, like, the best way to describe it
is the hell that I've been through for the past year,
and the women who didn't understand,
like, "Well, why didn't you want that to come out?
I don't-- I don't understand how that doesn't affect you."
It's weird though.
And I'm-- Again, Demi, I'm not trying to call you a liar.
To this day, he will double down on a few things.
And one of those things is, "When we were--
"Demi and I were leaving the villa,
-we kissed on the lips." -No, I did not.
Jen, when you say things like, "It was off camera,"
why are you saying that as though you know?
To me, I've seen enough.
Things did happen between Demi and Marciano,
whether she wants to admit it or not.
I mean, she was literally right next to him,
like, grabbing his hands, like, googly eyes,
like, talking, laughing, like--
It for sure did not seem like
a married woman was talking to another single man with boundaries.
Did you see anything happen off camera?
I-- I hate to say the word, but, like,
again, I just haven't seen any accountability.
-Answer the question. -Jen, did you see
-anything fucking happen off camera? -No, I-- No, I didn't.
-I didn't. -Why did you say you did?
-Then why are you fucking saying a word? -Okay, well, why did you--
-Why did you threaten a cease and desist? -Because of the shit I've gone through
for the past year, Jen.
Which you don't fucking understand,
'cause you've never been sexually assaulted, have you?
-Yes, I actually have. -She has. She has.
I have. And I haven't talked about it.
-[Demi] Okay. That's great. -Demi, talk res--
-Then have some fucking respect... -Yeah, calm down.
-[Demi] ...because I was too. -Demi, it goes both ways.
-I'm not talking to you. -[Zac] You're talking to my wife.
-You gotta be respectful. -Yeah, I'm talking to your wife.
-I'm talking to your wife. -Then talk respectfully.
I will talk to her how I feel like she deserves to be talked to.
-I've done nothing to Jen. -Just hear her out. Just let her finish.
You've done nothing to me?
-Then talk respectfully. -You bullied me.
-[overlapping chatter] -[Demi] I bullied you after you went--
You sat in the thing, "We're here for you. We know what happened.
We're-- We're on your side."
Five seconds later, you turn to Mikayla and go,
"If she comes for me next season, I'm exposing this."
What the fuck is wrong with you?
What the actual fuck is wrong with your brain?
[♪ tense music playing]
What the fuck is wrong with you?
What the actual fuck is wrong with your brain?
How do you feel about your wife texting the word "cum" to another male?
How do you feel about that?
-Jen, listen. Listen to-- -[Jen] No. Answer the question.
-Just listen. -[Jen] I'll answer your question,
-answer my question. -[Bret] I'm asking you a question.
-How do you feel about it? The word "cum"? -I started asking a question first.
-So, just with respect-- -[Jen] Is that appropriate?
With respect, just listen.
Okay, but it's hard to be respectful when it's not being reciprocated.
-[Taylor] Okay, answer her question. -That's what happened with us.
-It's gotta go both ways. -I know. I know. I understand.
If you wanna be heard out, you gotta hear other people out.
'Cause there's 20 different things that we could say.
You're the one telling people to shut their fucking mouth.
-Alright, Zac, come on. -[Zac] But--
Don't-- Don't-- I'm not gonna be disrespectful to Jen.
Don't be disres-- disrespectful to Demi, please.
-[Jen] But he's not being disrespectful. -[Bret] Listen, Jen--
-He's literally just talking. -[Bret] The question I have for you is--
She's telling me to shut my fucking mouth.
-She's screaming in my face. -[Demi] Can you listen to one thing?
[Bret] Jen, are you trying to avoid my question?
I don't understand why you keep interrupting.
Please. Jen, I am asking you
if you didn't see the things that you said you saw,
why did you say you did?
Why did you say you saw her sitting on his lap?
Why did you say you saw her kiss him on the lips?
-Because she was googly eyes-- -[Bret] Hold on. And before you answer,
just know there's-- there's footage. Like, the whole thing was filmed.
[Conner] We just need to stop. This is clearly not the place because--
No, but, you just brought it up, so I feel like...
Well, why don't we talk about
Demi and Jessi's relationship, their friendship.
You guys were best friends, thick as thieves,
always together.
And now, it's like--
How would you describe your friendship today?
-I watched it fall apart. -Yeah.
I would say that we've made strides and we've talked about things.
But I have walls up because I don't fully trust.
And I think she did multiple things to me back to back to back to back.
So, I-- I don't quite understand certain things,
and, I think, because of that, I still have a huge guard up.
Demi, how do you feel about her? Your friendship with--
Yeah, it's almost as though we haven't had conversations,
like, when I hear her say that, and it's, like, I don't understand.
To me, I'm confused because we've talked this through so many times.
My intention from start to finish
was so that this never fucking came to light.
And in placating and being nice to Marciano--
He was gonna go on a podcast,
and I was like, "Shit! I need to control how this plays out."
Why were you so involved in my story?
[Demi] Because I was trying to keep him at bay and chill.
I understand placating because I did it.
But I was trying to hide something I did wrong.
So why did you feel like you had to placate?
[Demi] Because I didn't wanna go through
what I've been going through the past year
and have to talk about this at all.
I feel like this is an impossible situation
because right before this, we just saw,
you know, everyone's talking about sexual assault.
And you clearly see Demi crying and, like, that's a super sensitive topic.
I think the reason we wanna have these conversations
is because when we say it doesn't add up,
we're not trying to say you're a liar or discredit you,
but, like, in our minds, from what we know, it doesn't.
Mayci, how uncomfortable would it be if you got,
and I'm sorry, I'm not trying to be insensitive,
but you got raped by your abuser or you got slapped or whatever,
and then afterwards you're like, "I love you."
And then later, they're like,
"Mayci, it's really weird that you said, 'I love you.'"
-That is so different. -She was in a relationship.
-[overlapping chatter] -No, no, no. Yeah, I don't like when you--
-[Demi] I understand that it's different. -Being in a relationship with someone
is so different than someone you knew for two days. I'm sorry.
The problem is that you guys are becoming the-- the judge, jury, and executioner
as to how she reacted to her abuse.
[Jessi] Well, she put me in a really bad position,
so I have every right to question her too. I'm sorry.
-So, this is a tit for tat for you? -Yeah. And it has to be.
This is bullshit. And I'm about to walk off.
Then go.
How do we get to the bottom of this if people can't--
-We're not gonna get to-- I don't think-- -Why are you acting this way towards me?
-You would be just as defensive. -Because I'm still confused.
I want answers.
It's all these things where we're like, "This doesn't add up."
I just don't appreciate the lies.
The lies piss me off so bad
because it's affected my life for the past year in a very negative way.
And Jen's off living her merry life
on Dancing with the Stars, raking in dollar bills,
and I'm a lying villain.
You don't think bullying me affected me?
Sweetie, how did I bully you?
-How did you bully me? -[Demi] Bully?
You treated me like shit. You were lying about me.
And then you want-- expected me to have this wave of empathy for you
because you were having a hard time.
[♪ tense music playing]
I think that this is-- this is gonna have to be a larger conversation.
I don't think this is gonna be wrapped up today.
-I think too much-- -But do you see why--
We just have ques-- We just-- We wanna talk about it.
I truly hope you all can find a way to move forward with all of this,
but we need to move on with the reunion.
We have another guest coming.
I am kindly requesting all of your cooperation.
Our next guest only agreed to participate if the ladies of MomTok exited the stage
while their interview takes place.
Out of respect for that request, I'm asking Taylor, Mayci, Mikayla,
Jen, Jessi, Layla, Miranda, Demi, and Whitney
to follow our stage manager back to their dressing rooms
where they can continue watching the reunion.
[♪ dramatic music playing]
[indistinct chatter]
-[Zac] Beats girls? -Yeah.
[Demi] Our experiences are valid.
And it's, like, muddied
because of this stupid fucking asshole that's lied.
And, sorry, but Jen who's lied
and put all these things in your head that never happened.
-Okay. -[Jessi] She's not telling lies.
She's telling her experience. And she saw you be flirty in the villa
and so did all of us.
I will never put myself in a situation like that again.
And that sucks, especially when you've been in that situation
-and it, like, brings up old stuff, like-- -[Taylor] Mm-hmm.
[crying] Then you start really blaming yourself for, like, what they do.
It's more painful to not be believed,
than to say-- or to have to go over it over and over and over
and feel the pain of past things,
than to just say, "Fuck, yeah, we kissed. Fuck, yeah, this happened."
I'd rather something fucking happened at this point.
It's excruciating, and it's ruining my reputation...
[Taylor] And we hear you.
-[Demi] ...and eating me alive. -[Taylor] And we hear you on that.
[Andrea Metz] I'm sorry.
-[♪ dramatic music playing] -[Demi sobbing]
I wanna go home.
I wanna go home. [sobbing]
-[Mikayla] Did Demi leave, leave? -She might have.
[Mikayla] I heard this wailing, and I was like, "What was that noise?"
And she's outside talking with somebody.
-I saw Bret talking to people, yeah. -[Mikayla] Yeah, with Bret.
So, I didn't know if she was leaving or not.
[Stassi] Okay. I know that was a lot.
But we do have a special guest waiting to come out.
Is everyone ready?
[♪ tense music playing]
-[Jacob] Whoa, dude! -The man.
[Zac] The myth, the legend.
[Taylor] Oh, my gosh. Did he--
-So, he's been watching this whole thing? -[crew member] Yeah.
Welcome back to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Season Three Reunion.
Against all odds and expectations,
we have Dakota here with me
and the rest of DadTok.
Tensions between MomTok and DadTok
took a toll on many of our cast members this season.
And in an effort to speak his truth, Dakota agreed to join us tonight
on the condition that Taylor and the rest of MomTok be backstage.
Can we turn this up a little bit?
[Stassi] [through TV] Dakota, I was rooting for you and Taylor's relationship.
And now, you can't even be on the same stage with her...
...which you have to admit, is kind of crazy,
-that you kicked the girls... -Yeah, okay. [laughing] Okay.
-...off of their own stage. -[Dakota] Yeah, I'm just gonna say,
that was a little more dramatic than I thought it was gonna be.
[through TV] It wasn't supposed to be like that.
None of the husbands are getting sex tonight.
-That's for sure. -[Whitney] Conner already did.
-[Jessi] Before 8:00 a.m.? -[Whitney] Yeah.
-[Jessi] Wow! -[Whitney] I know.
All I wanted was just to be able to have like a, a good conversation.
And I think, most people would agree
that, like, when me and Taylor are together,
it's really hard for us to just talk.
So, that was really my only thing.
I think that's fair.
Your relationship with Taylor has gotten to a point
where she'll be looking for love on the next season of The Bachelorette.
What happened?
Let's take a look.
-How are you? How are things? -Good.
-You had him, like, for 11 days. -[laughing] Yeah, I did.
It was, like, good bonding for us.
-Really? Well, I'm sure-- -Yeah.
Well, yeah, I feel so close to him now.
The goal is to have healthy co-parenting
and to focus on our healing individually.
I am not going to be in a relationship until I'm in a healthier spot.
My roommate went missing this morning.
[♪ quirky music playing]
Yes, we had sex. Like, obviously.
How about that, "I love you," last night, huh?
If ever there was a future for Dakota and I,
there would have to be no more lies, no more secrets.
[Jessi] Are Taylor and Dakota back together?
[Jordan] I'm not trying to s-- snitch,
but during one of the times they were broken up,
Liann's friend, she started like hitting on him.
And it kinda turned sexual.
[Taylor] This is the fourth girl now, and it's like--
it's a fucking family member. I hate you!
I don't think you, like, understand how big of a deal this is.
[Taylor] I just, like, want your full transparency.
Dakota came clean to me.
Cry it out and then fuck?
-You haven't been happy for three years. -[Aspen] Yeah.
I did my mediation.
[gasps] Taylor, I'm glad that you took the initiative
to contact the attorney and finally set some boundaries.
I have no choice. We're done.
Sorry. Can you throw me that water, real quick?
[Conner] Do we make you nervous?
Yeah. You guys do.
He's sweating. He's like, "Hey, what lies do I have to cover up right now?"
How are you and Taylor now?
I don't-- I mean-- I think...
[pops lips]
...probably not good.
If I had to say it, like--
I-- And I don't like that. Like, I wish it was, uh,
I wish it was better.
But I just think the emotions are still like really high.
Okay. In your words, what happened with Taylor's family friend?
It's been over two years now.
Um, so I think, when this happened,
me and Taylor were together for like 10 months.
We were both in a very toxic cycle.
For me, anyways, it was like I was always getting broken up with.
And this was like the first, like, time where she "broke up with me,"
where, I guess, for me, it felt like very legit.
Like, it felt like it was real, for me.
This lady that I had met through Taylor's family...
He's embarrassing.
[Dakota] ...she reached out to me and was just checking in on me.
'Cause obviously she had heard what happened.
And she was just, like, being super nice.
Um, and then, it wasn't-- it didn't, like, get weird or any--
Did you guys talk about Taylor?
[Dakota] Yeah, it was about our relationship. Yeah, and--
So, like, you confided in her?
Mm-hmm. Yeah, it was just about like how-- how crappy it is and like how sad I am.
-[Stassi] Okay. -[Dakota] Mm-hmm.
Let's see what he lies about, and then I'll go out there and clear it up.
And then it got to a point to where...
I'm trying to think of exactly step by step, but it was like--
Yeah, think about those lies you're gonna tell.
[Taylor] She's just making him feel like a fool.
[Dakota] And then, like out of nowhere, I feel like she kinda like came onto me.
Which-- That I think, just kinda surprised me
given, in that moment,
like, I didn't actually think that was gonna happen.
If-- Again, that's just my opinion.
Like, I really didn't think that was gonna happen.
And then, uh, and then from there it was like--
Even the pictures we sent.
-Like I know-- -What pictures did you--
Yeah, by the way--
You're skipping over the-- the important stuff.
No, no. I'm getting to it. I just wanna make sure I explain this
because I don't want things twisted.
Like, even on the-- the episode.
I watched one of them. And it was like Taylor was questioning me.
I was like, "Oh, there was only one picture sent.
There was only one picture sent."
I was referring to, "She only sent me one picture."
There was multiple pictures sent, but she only sent me one picture.
-Oh, so you sent her a bunch? -Yeah. No, no, no.
I only sent one more picture. So there was two-- two pictures.
-And by the way-- -[Stassi] What was the picture of?
Um, it was a silhouette.
So, in this silhouette, like, it was so dark...
[Mayci] Justifying it. Not him justifying it.
Just listen. Just-- You gotta listen.
...it wasn't super sexual to me.
Like, just because of how dark the picture was.
What prompted the pic?
Oh, yeah. This is what I was gonna say.
So-- And I think what even prompted-- I think what even prompted the picture
was that we were talking about, like, the gym,
working out, uh, being in good shape, like, things like that--
Oh, so, the conversation had turned away from you and Taylor's relationship,
-and you guys were-- -[Dakota] Yeah. It turned to like that.
Just at that nighttime, just towards the night there.
Who gives a fuck what time it is?
-"It's nighttime." Shut the fuck up! -[mockingly] "It was nighttime."
-He's like, "It was 7:25 p.m." -[Taylor] Morning, lunch, night.
And then I sent a picture of my shirt off.
Dumb as shit. I agree it was stupid.
-I'm not saying it's not. -So stupid.
[Dakota] Yes. It was.
[Conner] Would you have considered that like flirty though?
Her picture to you and your picture to her?
Hell, yeah. That's what-- Yeah. Already, I was like, "Okay, this is like, uh--"
Yeah. Like, it--
But you and Taylor weren't together?
No. No, she broke up with me.
[Taylor] I'm about to go fucking out there and literally annihilate him.
And then out of nowhere, she, like, freaked out.
Like, and was like, "Delete everything. Delete everything."
-You-- I mean, you can. -[Dakota] I was like, "What's going on?"
I think it made me have to kind of be like, "Oh, damn!"
Like, this is like a-- a big, big deal.
Keep going. Go-- Go ahead with your lies.
Lies? What part? Where have I lied?
Oh, I don't wanna sit by him. He can go.
Can I-- I don't wanna sit by him.
-[Dakota] Can you give that water? -[Taylor clearing throat]
You look pretty.
-Keep going. -[Stassi] Alright.
-I will. Let me drink my water. -[Stassi] Welcome, ladies.
-[Mayci/Taylor] Thank you. -So, Taylor, what is not tracking for you?
Um, I mean, I think you can kinda gauge
when you're stuttering, you're like, "W-- Well, wait, wait, give me a second."
That's when you're having to keep up with lies.
-No, I'm telling the truth. -You knew the extent of what she was.
So don't go back on that now. Does that make sense?
Yeah, yeah. I see what you're saying.
That's my point.
[Jessi] If Dakota would just be like, "I messed up."
-[Miranda] "I messed up! I messed up." -[Jessi] Like, "That was so dumb of me."
He would just look so much better.
I think you know that this was fucked up because you confided in Jordan about it.
-[Dakota] 100%. -[Stassi] Okay.
-So, you understand why Taylor is... -I'm not dumb. Yes.
-[Dakota] Yes. -[Stassi] ...enraged.
-Right. -Right.
-Okay? -[Dakota] Yeah.
So, what are you trying to defend?
Defend?
I think it comes off as you kinda defending--
-...can invalidate how Taylor feels. -[Dakota] Right.
Well, I think I do that just given the fact that I think--
[Taylor] You're never just sorry.
Yeah, like, if you didn't have any new information,
you must be here to fully apologize or something.
Well, I think the context of what I just said is new.
Like, I watched the episode,
and I feel like there was multiple things that were skewed in there.
What?
-[Zac] I think that's fair-- -I feel it was exactly what I thought.
-There was things added. -What is exaggerated?
The timeline of it, I felt like it made it seem like I cheated on you. Like--
You did. That is cheating to me.
-Okay. But yet you can do it, right? -[Taylor] I never did it.
When you're broke up. When you broke up with me,
you can go fuck someone else and then come fuck me, right?
-Okay. So, a year later? -[Dakota] Oh, we were broke up.
-I cheated on you, a year-- -[Dakota] We were broke up though, right?
Oh, my God-- Okay.
Your friends will tell you the same thing. They'll say, "You don't owe him that."
Did I cheat-- Does anyone consider that cheating?
Us a year broken up, and me moving on.
Right. So, how is that cheating, what I did, if I was broken up?
I don't feel like this is about cheating.
-It's who it is, Dakota. -[Dakota] But she's saying, "He cheated."
-[Layla] It's who it's with! -It's who it's with!
Layla! I know! I'm saying-- Let-- Then let me just talk.
Do you see how the whole thing changed?
Like, when you come out and you're just firing shots at me?
Like, I-- I wanted to just talk.
This is where I wanted to--
-This was my whole point. -Go. Go.
I've apologized to you like a hundred times, Taylor.
-You've never meant it, though. -Yes, I have.
I've wrote you letters saying sorry a hundred times.
I've done everything I can.
You said, "Hey, I weeded out a bad friend in your family."
This is me just trying-- Wait, what?
He said, "Hey, I weeded out a-- a bad friend in your family."
[Dakota] Oh, my gosh. This is-- This is what I'm talking about.
[through TV] Like this-- This is why I can't do this.
Are you still on speaking terms with this person?
Uh-- No, my entire family disowned her.
-No. -[Stassi] Yeah.
She was my friend, too. Like, that's what--
Like, she would see me cry and struggle and all these things with Dakota,
and be helping me with it.
I think she was a snake in the fucking grass. It's disgusting.
Do you feel like you owe her parents an apology?
100%. And I reached out to your mom and asked her.
-Did she do it? -Well, he was making threats.
Dude, Taylor is so wild. This is what I'm saying.
-Because I come out with the truth. -[Dakota] This is the shit.
Didn't you just sext me last night?
-You should tell your new boyfriend that. -We're gonna move outta this--
The one that you like a lot. Didn't you just say that today?
You should probably tell him
-how you were talking to me last night. -[Stassi] Oh!
-Okay. -[Dakota] Look at that.
-Look at you denying it. -[Taylor] I don't have a boyfriend.
-I'm single. I am single. -You're denying it.
Just take a couple of breaths. This is getting a little crazy.
Show the sexting. You should have him show it.
'Cause he's lying. He's a pathological liar.
[Stassi] I wanna go back to Liann and Jeremy.
I mean, this is the worst time for me to do it.
I was actually going to do it.
And it was gonna be very genuine, but now, it's like I'm so heated.
[Stassi] [through TV] Yeah, this is not giving happy holidays.
Okay, let's welcome in Liann and Jeremy.
[Mikayla gasps]
[Stassi] [groans] I need a Dunkin' Refresher.
Obviously, Berry Sangria.
Yes!
[server] Here you go.
Thank you.
[indistinct chatter]
[director] Five, four, three, two.
Welcome back to the Secret Lives of Mormon Wives: Season Three Reunion.
We've had more drama than a high school Christmas pageant.
We have MomTok and DadTok here with us,
along with Liann and Jeremy,
and Demi and Bret.
Demi, I know you had a rough time out there
and I really appreciate you coming back.
[Demi] Yeah. Thank you.
[Stassi] Dakota has something he'd like to say to Taylor's parents.
But first, Bret has something he'd like to get off his chest.
Um, I'd like to apologize to Miranda.
Um, in my heated phone conversation with Demi,
said something that I don't mean even remotely.
We had a brief conversation with Miranda,
and she just basically was insinuating that I'm a liar
and, "You said Chase shoved you."
And I'm like, "Well, I don't know. What would you call it?
I don't know what to call it. He came up and pushed my hip."
What I said was unacceptable
and it was really representative
of how I was feeling about this situation as a whole.
Just feeling like the whole thing was just so kinda out of bounds.
And so trashy, the way that I felt like she was being treated
and you were the last person that she interacted with.
So, unfortunately, you were-- you were on the receiving end
of kind of the pinnacle of my frustration.
And you didn't deserve that.
And I'm really sorry.
It was...
Tensions were really high at that time.
I do wish that, you know, this wasn't just happening on camera.
I wish, maybe it was something that was said earlier.
And I'm not saying that I don't-- that it's not an authentic apology,
I just-- I do think that the timing of it is a little bit unfortunate.
I-- I-- Just so you know,
I felt sick to my stomach just hearing myself.
I didn't even remember saying that.
I was like seeing red in the moment.
And I really-- My apology really is sincere.
I-- I really am sorry.
I appreciate it. Thank you.
Yay! One apology accepted.
Dakota, I know there's something you'd like to say to Liann,
so just go ahead.
Uh, obviously, I-- I know that I fucked up.
I just think-- Like, I think I knew I was gonna lose you guys.
And that... I don't know,
[choking up] I think I kinda numbed out maybe a little bit. Mm.
And I think it was just hard, too.
Me and Taylor obviously were just not in a good place,
and I-- I think it was just like even harder.
But I am truly sorry 'cause I know that that caused a lot of pain.
Obviously, for Taylor, but for you guys as well and your family.
And I don't think I realized the magnitude maybe of even what I did.
I don't expect you guys to forgive me. I don't expect anything like that.
But I do just want you to know, like, I know I messed up.
I-- I know that I caused a lot of pain for all of you guys.
And... that's all I can do right now. Is-- I-- I'm sorry.
Liann, Jeremy?
I just don't understand, like, why.
Why?
[Dakota] Yeah.
[Liann] You do that behind--
behind your girlfriend that's pregnant with your baby.
That's sickening.
[voice breaking] And the thing that bugs me, Dakota,
is you're just like one of those people that you just can't help but to love.
But then you get really-- get to know you,
you're not that person, you are just a different person.
Like, behind closed doors, you have-- your virtue-- your--
it's like been taken away.
You're so dishonest. You're so--
Like, I just don't know how you can keep lying.
And you know what? The thing that hurts the most
is that she's my kid and you hurt my grand-baby.
Like, you hurt Ever.
He's the one that's gonna pay
for all your guys' crappy decisions
-that you both have made. -[Taylor] Mm-hmm.
[Liann sniffling]
I can't accept anything that comes outta your mouth
-'cause it's all bullshit, dude. -[Taylor] Mm-hmm.
You have proven yourself time and time again
that nothing that comes out of your mouth--
It's just spewing bullshit.
So, I can't accept any sorry from you or nothing.
I mean, our last reunion, he was sitting here crying.
And our host was asking, "Do you think you can be an honest person?"
He's crying, "Yes. I've said everything. I've said it all."
Like, "I can do this. Yes, I love Taylor."
[crying] I'll do anything to, uh...
[sighs] just, like, have that opportunity to be with her and my family.
And, um...
[sighs heavily]
it is just so hard because that's like--
I just went about everything the worst way.
Taylor, Dakota, where do you guys think you go from here as co-parents?
I would obviously love to get to a spot
of, like, being cordial for the sake of our son
because he, ultimately, like my mom was saying,
he's the one who is the-- gonna suffer from all of this.
This is a lot on me that I chose him to be his dad.
Wait, are-- You don't think I'm a good dad, Taylor?
Are you gonna let me finish?
-[Dakota groaning] -So, I feel, when I look at Ever,
I'm like, "This is my fault.
"I did this. I chose to do this.
I'm so sorry that I chose to have a child with this person."
However they feel, they're justified.
The one thing I want to just stand on is, I've seen him be a dad
and, like, I think Dakota's a great dad. He is.
[Dakota] I will never, ever,
-have anyone tell me I'm not. -[Taylor] Okay.
Because I know that with every single fiber in my heart.
-Okay. I-- I just-- -Like, you know it, Taylor.
Out of anybody, you know how much I care about Ever.
Did you listen? I said it's on me.
-I feel guilty for me. -[Dakota] It's how you're wording things
-about it. -I mean every word.
[Stassi] I think it-- it's not about this.
It-- You know, I-- We were giving you the opportunity
-to apologize to them. -Yeah.
[Stassi] You-- You did.
-They don't accept that apology. -[Dakota] Right.
-That's fine. -Um, I-- We can't just like keep...
[Taylor] Yeah.
[Stassi] ...keep at it, keep at it. Like, we can't do that.
[Dakota] That's it. I'm done.
[director] Folks, we're not done yet. Folks, we're not done yet.
[Stassi] Oh, shit.
[director] I told 'em we're not done. They walked out.
I'm just gonna say, I just feel for Dakota, honestly.
Did I care for him? Absolutely.
Is this painful? Duh.
I loved him. I wanted to be with him. I had a child with him.
So, yes, it's fucking painful.
Hurts to co-parent to this very day.
I do it every day. And it's the worst thing I've ever done.
-I'm so sorry you went through that. -Thanks. Thank you.
-[Stassi] Actually, that's awful. -It is. It's gross, yeah.
[Zac sighs]
Well, guys, I appreciate all of you being here
and sharing your truth.
And thank you everyone at home for watching a very tense reunion.
There's no place like home for the holidays.
And let me tell you,
I am thrilled to get on that plane in two hours.
There will be plenty more excitement in season four.
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