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There's always been
this unique charisma to Harrison.
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No one's like him.
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I think you just can't bear
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to let a gorgeous guy like me
out of your sight.
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There's just something
about a rogue, isn't there?
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And he's, like,
the ultimate rogue.
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"I don't want a real job.
Maybe I could be an actor."
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I'm making this up as I go.
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He is his own man,
and he knows he's an action hero.
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Let me see how it looks.
Can we follow Harrison?
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He's down-to-earth and has
this very, kind of, wonderful, dry wit.
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Water?
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He is hilarious,
magnetic and sexy and funny.
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Go away!
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He's not too weird-looking,
and he's not too good-looking.
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Who's scruffy-lookin'?
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He hits that sweet spot.
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It's very bouncy, Steve. Very bouncy.
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George and Steven came into my life.
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- That's Indiana Jones.
- Things got better.
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- In the rain.
- It's raining.
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It's raining. It's very wet.
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Where's my man, my movie star?
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Hi, Mom.
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There any surprises in this film?
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Oh.
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I became very aware
of this movie star-in-waiting.
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- I'm in good hands.
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We had this great power.
We had great stories to tell.
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I don't think there's been any actor
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that's taken on
two incredibly iconic roles like this
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that have stood the test of time.
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The hat, jacket and the whip.
You're Indiana Jones.
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In my own mind, I cannot separate
Harrison from Indiana Jones.
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Not a lot of us know him as Harrison,
the private person, you know?
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There's still a mystery about him,
and this is his story.
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This whole project
started about ten years ago
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when I had an idea to do a movie,
an action-adventure kind of serial.
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{\an8}It was actually about the same time
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{\an8}that I came up
with the idea for Star Wars...
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but, uh, got more interested in Star Wars,
so I put this one on the shelf.
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Figured I'd get to it someday.
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George and I,
we were in Hawaii
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getting ready to celebrate
the opening of Star Wars.
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{\an8}We built our lucky sandcastle
on the beach.
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{\an8}The tide did not take it, a good sign.
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Then after the grosses started coming in,
George was just ebullient.
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The sense of relief that washed over him
that day when he found out he had a hit.
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He turned to me, and he said,
"So what are you gonna do next?"
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And I said, "Well, I've been trying
to get the Broccolis to hire me
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to direct a James Bond picture.
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They keep turning me down."
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And George says, "I got something better."
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I had actually started
working as a receptionist
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{\an8}for John Milius and for Steven.
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{\an8}So that was quite
the introduction to Hollywood,
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{\an8}because there was a steady stream
of who's who coming through the door.
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I had met Steven about five years before
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{\an8}on the set of Daisy Miller in Rome,
and he had noticed how I worked.
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So when George asked him,
"Who do you want to produce Raiders?"
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He said, "Let's see
if we can find that guy, Frank Marshall."
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I had been writing without success.
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And then I had written Continental Divide.
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{\an8}It sold in about two weeks,
and there was a bidding war for it.
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- Steven won the bidding.
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And Steven says, "You know,
I'm gonna do a movie with George Lucas.
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We both think you could be
the person to write this movie.
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They had only the basic ideas.
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{\an8}The one big idea was that when George
started talking to Phil Kaufman,
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{\an8}he said,
"Oh, I know what the MacGuffin should be."
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{\an8}His orthodontist had told him
when he was 11 years old
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about the lost Ark of the Covenant.
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An army which carries
the Ark before it is invincible.
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I said,
"That's fantastic. It's perfect.
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It's just what we're looking for."
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And, uh, "Fit that into it.
Flush the story out a little bit more."
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George said,
"The hero's named for my dog, Indiana."
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"He wears a Fedora,
and his weapon is a whip.
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{\an8}It's gonna be like the serials
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{\an8}where there's a cliffhanger
all the time, you know?"
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{\an8}So, that's about the whole conversation.
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{\an8}George and Larry Kasdan and myself,
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we pounded out all the beats
to the story in three or four days,
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and then Larry just went off
and wrote a brilliant script on his own.
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Steven said,
"Why don't you write it at my office?"
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'Cause I had no office.
He said, "You can write it at my desk."
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That's when I met Kathy Kennedy too.
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I had been asked by Steven
to come work as his assistant.
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So I was sitting in the office,
hadn't been in the business very long,
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and he put a script in front of me,
and he said,
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{\an8}"I'd really like you to read this
and tell me what you think."
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{\an8}It was one of the first scripts
I'd ever read.
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{\an8}It was just this incredible page-turner.
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But how are we gonna do this?
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{\an8} There had been movies
like this 50 years earlier,
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{\an8}but there had never been
anything like this in recent memory.
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And George and Steven had such
a clear image of what that would be.
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And you needed someone
you couldn't take your eyes off.
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George really believed
in doing concept art
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for the look of the movie
and the character.
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And so there were four or five paintings
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that were done
by this wonderful artist named Steranko.
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We always talk about it
as the silhouette of Indiana Jones.
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Steven and George knew
that they needed a character
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that would really have
that instant identification.
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We didn't have the intention to redefine
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what a hero is to global movie audiences.
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We didn't have any delusions of grandeur
about where this could go.
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I felt, personally,
this was a very risky project,
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{\an8}'cause nothing like this
had ever been done
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{\an8}since the old days
of the Republic serials.
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I was thinking about
how to insure all of us against failure
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by finding a very charismatic
Indiana Jones.
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I was a philosophy
and English major in college,
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and I was not a good student.
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I was a depressed student,
and I didn't fit in.
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And it was a small mid-Western
liberal arts college in Wisconsin.
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Very small school.
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I was the first one in our family
to go to college.
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My father and mother worked hard
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{\an8}to make the money, uh,
to send me to college.
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{\an8}And I didn't perform.
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I found no peers there, really.
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I felt, uh, isolated.
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And then my grade point average
got to the dangerous, uh, juncture
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where I went through the course catalog
to try and find something,
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like basket weaving,
that I couldn't fail at.
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I went through B's,
and there was no basket weaving,
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and I came to C, D. Drama.
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When I read the first line,
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"Read plays and discuss them
with your classmates."
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I didn't read the rest.
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The rest said,
"And you have to be in plays."
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Suddenly, I found myself on stage
with my knees knocking,
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and I was terrified.
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That was something
I had to learn to control.
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I learned how to do that,
how to not be terrified.
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And I did find that the people
that I was telling stories with
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were the people I was missing.
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I didn't see them until we were
telling stories together, and I fit in.
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I felt good there.
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And I was, for the first time,
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emotionally involved
in something I was doing.
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So, I said,
"Well, maybe I could be an actor."
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My father who had been
a radio actor himself early on.
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My grandfather, his father,
was a vaudevillian.
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So there's a bit of a tradition
in the family of this.
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Nobody thought I had a chance in hell
of making a living at it.
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All I knew about acting was you go
to the East Coast or the West Coast.
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So I flipped a coin. Came up West Coast.
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{\an8}So went to the West Coast
and after a period of years,
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{\an8}I began to get an edge up in Hollywood.
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{\an8}I see the whole thing.
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{\an8}She's marrying me to rebel against you.
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{\an8}- Who?
- Me?
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{\an8}No, you. And what she really wants is him.
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- Me?
- Yes, you!
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I was under contract,
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so they plugged me into tiny little parts
in television shows.
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{\an8} Is there good money
in being a contract player?
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{\an8}What do you gotta do to--
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{\an8}Oh, yeah. Not just money, but the respect.
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- 150 dollars a week, yeah.
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Anything then that they're doing,
you have to show up and be in, right?
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- That was the idea.
- Yeah.
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Any memorable appearances come into mind?
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- No.
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When I got out of that contract,
I went under contract to, uh, Universal,
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and I did another
year and half at Universal.
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And then I started
doing episodic television.
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{\an8}The time has come to cut our losses.
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{\an8}What does that mean?
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The Board of Directors is considering
a different approach to the problem.
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But I also was remodeling a house
that we were able to buy
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with my then-wife's legacy
from her parents.
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Then I started to remodel it,
and I ran out of money
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'cause I bought tools and materials.
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{\an8}And a friend of mine suggested
that I take a job with Sérgio Mendes
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{\an8}to build a rehearsal room for him
on his Encino estate.
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{\an8}And he forgot to ask me
if I had ever done it before.
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And I forgot to tell him, frankly.
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{\an8}But it turned out to be
a 10-track professional recording studio
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{\an8}that I built in his backyard.
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{\an8}And I was never out of work again
as a carpenter.
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{\an8}Would you charge more to a celebrity
than you would to a regular civilian?
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{\an8}- Wouldn't you?
- Yes.
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It allowed me to not have to take
every acting job that came along.
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{\an8}I wouldn't take another job unless
the next job was better than that one,
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{\an8}that is bigger part, better billing,
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more money.
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{\an8}Now, look.
Don't get involved in this, Mr. Caul.
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Those tapes are dangerous.
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So, for about 15 years,
I only worked five or six times.
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But when I worked,
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I worked in something
that I really wanted to do.
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And the first of those
was American Graffiti.
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{\an8}Hey, you see this Milner,
you tell him I'm lookin' for him, huh?
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{\an8}Tell him I aim to blow his ass
right off the road.
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When I was casting for American Graffiti,
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the casting director
was a good friend of Harrison's.
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{\an8}He wanted him maybe to play
John or something,
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{\an8}but he was in his 30s
and everybody else was in their 20s.
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He wasn't right for that part.
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So when we went on,
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and we started casting Bob Falfa,
the villain of the piece,
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I immediately thought of Harrison.
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Hey, you're supposed to be
the fastest thing in the valley, man.
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But that can't be your car.
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It must be your mama's car.
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We were shooting almost all nights.
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George was holed up in a corner
in a warm jacket and sometimes...
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He kept falling asleep.
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It was a very low-budget film.
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Fun to do.
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I was surprised that I was in something
that was popular.
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{\an8}Well, I'm not gonna take you
on an impossible chase across the galaxy.
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{\an8}I was paid to bring you here,
and now you're here.
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{\an8}Give me my other 5000,
and I'll be on my way.
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{\an8}You're on your own. I'm on my own.
I'll let you off on the nearest system.
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{\an8} When I was actually, uh,
doing the casting on Star Wars,
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we went through quite a few actors.
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We went through a lot of possibilities.
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{\an8}- Tell me, what was it about Harrison
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{\an8}that initially drew you to him
as an actor?
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{\an8}
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Later, I found out
it was the casting director that said,
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"Here. Sit out right out
in front of the office,
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and pretend like
you're building something."
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- Oh, rubbish.
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{\an8} We had tests with him
and Carrie and Mark,
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{\an8}and we went through the whole thing,
and that was where the best chemistry was.
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You know, he fit the part.
235
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I thought the film
was gonna be successful actually.
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And I didn't think that anybody
over the age of 15
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was gonna be interested in it necessarily.
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But I thought it would be successful
as a kind of fairy tale.
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{\an8}Yahoo!
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{\an8}
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{\an8} Everything about Star Wars
was a surprise to the world, really.
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I mean, no one was prepared
for what it was.
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And that cast
was just part of that surprise, I think.
244
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There was a callow youth, Mark.
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There's a beautiful princess, Carrie.
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There's a wise old warrior, Alec Guinness.
247
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And there was a smart-ass, which is...
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sort of a specialty.
249
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Everything's perfectly all right now.
250
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We're fine. We're all fine here now.
Thank you.
251
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How are you?
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Han, he sort of drew
everybody's attention,
253
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because he was the grown-up in the scene.
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Even though he was hot-tempered,
255
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and he had this running, kind of,
battle with, uh, Chewbacca.
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They were, kind of, you know,
the odd couple.
257
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- Get in there you big, furry oaf!
258
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I don't care what you smell!
259
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- Get in there and don't worry about it.
260
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He was kind of
a throwback to an era of guys
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who completely owned
how masculine they were,
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and were not apologetic about it.
263
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And, in fact, his voice seemed
ten years older than he did.
264
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{\an8}For a long time,
that speaking voice had this weight
265
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{\an8}that made you think, "Who is this kid
who sounds like a 50-year-old guy?"
266
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Look, your worshipfulness,
let's get one thing straight.
267
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I take orders from just one person. Me!
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That funny,
self-effacing, scoundrel, jokester,
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I think that permeates
who he is all the time.
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My theory of interstellar space travel:
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Make sure you get enough per diem,
272
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'cause you're gonna be out there
for a real long time.
273
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You just know, whether you're gonna go
sit down and have coffee with him,
274
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or have dinner, or watch him perform,
you're gonna be entertained.
275
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That's enough?
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No point in pursuing that further.
277
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{\an8} And as far as
Raiders of the Lost Ark, um...
278
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{\an8}- This was-- You were not his...
279
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You were, uh, now this--
280
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Does this make you feel odd that you were
not his first choice for that film either?
281
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- No.
- Yeah.
282
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No, it wouldn't have occurred to me that--
I didn't even know about the project.
283
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I didn't know Spielberg.
284
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And it didn't occur to me
that I would have a chance of doing it.
285
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We spent so much time trying to figure out
how we were gonna cast Indiana Jones.
286
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I didn't know
who could play this guy.
287
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I really thought,
288
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"Well, the guy that should have
played Indiana Jones
289
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{\an8}is Humphrey Bogart 50 years ago."
290
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{\an8}But we don't have him around anymore.
291
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{\an8}So we started looking around
at young guys under 30
292
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{\an8}that could possibly play him.
293
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{\an8}And we did a number of tests.
Actors coming in and reading
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{\an8}on video for the part of Indiana Jones.
295
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And then Tom Selleck came in.
296
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{\an8}Hello, Marion.
297
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And we went very far down the road
to cast Tom Selleck as Indy.
298
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In fact, we made him an offer.
299
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But maybe it could do us both some good.
300
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- Why start now?
- Just shut up!
301
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Shut up and listen to me.
Now I need that piece your father had.
302
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But he had a contract
with CBS for Magnum,
303
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and he couldn't get out of it.
304
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Suddenly, we didn't have an actor.
305
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I knew that
Tom Selleck had the job,
306
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but had to turn it down
because he had a prior commitment.
307
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So, uh, thank you again, Tom.
308
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{\an8}Tom Selleck had fallen out
by the time they cast me.
309
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And I auditioned with Tim Matheson.
310
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{\an8}I've learned to hate you
in these last ten years,
311
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{\an8}but no matter how much I hated you,
I always knew someday
312
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{\an8}you'd come through this door.
313
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I fell in love with Marion.
314
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She is everybody's kind of fantasy.
315
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I think of, you know, who--
who a woman should be.
316
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Nobody tells me what to do in my place.
317
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I remember my agent at the time saying,
318
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"Well, what do you think of it?"
319
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{\an8}I said,
"I've never read a script like this.
320
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It's just pages and pages of description."
321
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He said, "Well, do you want to do it?"
322
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And I said, "Of course I want to do it."
323
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This is either going to be
the biggest disaster of all time,
324
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or it might just set a new fashion
in filmmaking.
325
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So, I think I had been cast
for maybe a month or something
326
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when suddenly they told me
327
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that they had decided
who would take on the role.
328
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And then George had a screening
of Empire Strikes Back.
329
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{\an8}George showed me a cut
of The Empire Strikes Back.
330
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{\an8}I looked over at George and I said,
"There's our Indiana Jones. That guy."
331
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And George said, "Chewbacca?"
332
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- And...
333
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That's the guy. That's Indiana Jones.
334
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And George's first reaction was,
335
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"Well, you can't cast Han Solo
as Indiana Jones, 'cause he's Han Solo."
336
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And I said, "Yeah, but actors play
all these different parts all the time.
337
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Harrison can play Han Solo,
and he can play Indiana Jones."
338
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And George, I think,
immediately saw the value in that.
339
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I got a call from George saying,
340
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"I want you to read the script
this afternoon please.
341
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I'm sending it to your house."
342
00:17:58,995 --> 00:18:02,582
And I read the script. I said, "Ooh. Wow."
343
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He said, "Okay. Go over and talk
to Steven. He's waiting for you."
344
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And I went over and then about,
345
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I don't know, an hour later,
I had the part.
346
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I was excited to have the opportunity
to work with him.
347
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He was full of enthusiasm.
348
00:18:17,764 --> 00:18:22,769
He loves to make movies.
And he's damn good at it.
349
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It feels great to work with Harrison.
350
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When I do a close-up on Harrison,
351
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I suddenly feel like
a first unit director.
352
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Gee, I've made it. I'm out of the mire,
you know, and into the glory.
353
00:18:32,946 --> 00:18:35,073
I remember
that we got on the plane together,
354
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and when we were
sitting next to each other
355
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we went through the script,
literally for the first time.
356
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Both of us read a scene, talk about it.
357
00:18:42,622 --> 00:18:47,043
It's just, like, a dream collaboration
that I'd never enjoy more.
358
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- Suggestion?
- Yeah.
359
00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,423
I thought you were slithering. Are--
360
00:18:53,425 --> 00:18:55,135
- No, so that's--
- Or--
361
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Or you were slithering, or...
362
00:18:59,931 --> 00:19:01,683
- I think it makes sense. You should go--
- All right.
363
00:19:01,683 --> 00:19:03,268
I don't think
it's a problem of all places.
364
00:19:03,268 --> 00:19:06,354
I was always eager
for an opportunity
365
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to collaborate, rather than simply,
366
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"You stand there. You say that.
That. Okay?"
367
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Such as when I was sick
from eating local food,
368
00:19:16,114 --> 00:19:19,451
and enjoying it terrifically
on the way in,
369
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but not so much on the way out.
370
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Like, I couldn't
stay out of my dressing room
371
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for more than ten minutes.
372
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He said, "I gotta go back
to the hotel. What can you do in an hour?"
373
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I said, "We have a three-day
action scene to shoot!"
374
00:19:30,837 --> 00:19:33,048
He said, "Hey, pal.
It ain't gonna be today."
375
00:19:33,048 --> 00:19:36,134
I said, "Let's just shoot
this son of a bitch and go home."
376
00:19:36,134 --> 00:19:37,427
We both take credit for this.
377
00:19:37,427 --> 00:19:39,637
Either I said,
"Why don't you just shoot the guy?"
378
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Or Harrison said to me,
"Why don't I just shoot the guy?"
379
00:19:43,141 --> 00:19:45,852
But whoever said it,
that's exactly what we did.
380
00:19:45,852 --> 00:19:49,564
{\an8}Poor guy. I mean,
he'd been training for three months.
381
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{\an8}Because the two of you were supposed
to have a whip and sword fight.
382
00:19:51,983 --> 00:19:54,319
It was supposed
to go on for three days.
383
00:19:54,319 --> 00:19:55,737
To your right, Terry.
384
00:19:57,030 --> 00:19:58,740
And they told him, you know,
385
00:19:58,740 --> 00:20:01,368
"What we're gonna do is
we're just gonna shoot you."
386
00:20:03,328 --> 00:20:06,373
- He was really upset.
387
00:20:08,541 --> 00:20:09,834
The first time I shot him,
388
00:20:09,834 --> 00:20:12,629
it took him about a minute to lay down,
389
00:20:12,629 --> 00:20:15,340
'cause he wanted
to get something out of this.
390
00:20:15,340 --> 00:20:16,508
So...
391
00:20:17,384 --> 00:20:19,386
Oh, so torturous.
392
00:20:19,386 --> 00:20:22,889
So, the second time we did it,
I shot him before we slated.
393
00:20:22,889 --> 00:20:24,557
That's the one that's in the movie.
394
00:20:28,186 --> 00:20:32,607
So, I had my collaborative input
as we were making the film.
395
00:20:32,607 --> 00:20:36,444
It just made me feel much more comfortable
in the character.
396
00:20:37,070 --> 00:20:39,864
Harrison is incredibly inventive.
397
00:20:40,532 --> 00:20:43,284
And he's got a tremendous command
398
00:20:43,284 --> 00:20:47,455
of what the character not only should do
in an action scene,
399
00:20:47,455 --> 00:20:51,167
but what maybe the character can say
that we hadn't scripted.
400
00:20:51,167 --> 00:20:52,252
Like the great line...
401
00:20:52,252 --> 00:20:56,214
It's not the years, honey,
it's the mileage.
402
00:20:56,214 --> 00:20:57,757
Harrison came up with that line.
403
00:20:57,757 --> 00:21:00,677
That was his idea.
He had a lot of lines in the movie.
404
00:21:00,677 --> 00:21:03,722
And I think that was
Harrison's way of distinguishing
405
00:21:03,722 --> 00:21:05,765
the character of Indy
from the character of Han.
406
00:21:05,765 --> 00:21:08,143
It starts here
with the rocks chasing you.
407
00:21:08,143 --> 00:21:11,062
And it's just, literally,
you know, it's about...
408
00:21:12,564 --> 00:21:13,565
It's about that fast.
409
00:21:15,483 --> 00:21:17,861
I always said
that Indiana Jones was more about
410
00:21:17,861 --> 00:21:21,489
what you can do in a movie
for an audience.
411
00:21:21,489 --> 00:21:24,659
How you can take them on an adventure,
412
00:21:24,659 --> 00:21:29,497
surprise 'em, shock 'em, wring 'em out,
and leave 'em happy.
413
00:21:33,835 --> 00:21:35,211
We had real stunts.
414
00:21:35,211 --> 00:21:38,298
I mean, all we did in Star Wars
is run, jump and fall down.
415
00:21:38,298 --> 00:21:39,799
I wouldn't call that stunts.
416
00:21:41,885 --> 00:21:43,553
- Okay. Cut.
- Cut it.
417
00:21:44,637 --> 00:21:45,805
In Indiana Jones,
418
00:21:45,805 --> 00:21:49,309
we were able to arrange
some really close-up magic.
419
00:21:49,309 --> 00:21:51,061
And use me in it.
420
00:22:00,945 --> 00:22:02,989
I think I clipped him once or twice.
421
00:22:03,823 --> 00:22:06,910
I think I might have caught his chin
at least once.
422
00:22:08,995 --> 00:22:10,997
I learned to hate you
in the last ten years.
423
00:22:13,958 --> 00:22:17,337
My stunt guy
had done most of the action.
424
00:22:17,337 --> 00:22:20,965
And I came back
and had to plug myself into scenes.
425
00:22:20,965 --> 00:22:23,176
Pick your head up
just a little if you can. That's it.
426
00:22:23,176 --> 00:22:26,262
And we came up with some real stuff
that I could do
427
00:22:26,262 --> 00:22:30,058
that I think was some of the best
stunt stuff I had ever seen.
428
00:22:30,058 --> 00:22:31,476
I'm sure it's not dangerous.
429
00:22:31,476 --> 00:22:33,353
See, if it was dangerous,
430
00:22:33,353 --> 00:22:36,022
they would've waited
until we got more of the movie done.
431
00:22:36,022 --> 00:22:37,899
Hold it. That's good.
432
00:22:37,899 --> 00:22:39,317
I love Raiders.
433
00:22:39,317 --> 00:22:41,069
{\an8}He's an academic
434
00:22:41,069 --> 00:22:45,407
{\an8}who happens to somehow
get out of scrapes with incredible aplomb.
435
00:22:46,116 --> 00:22:48,910
And he's very lucky. Things break for him.
436
00:22:51,955 --> 00:22:53,248
Bad dates.
437
00:22:53,248 --> 00:22:56,001
He's kind of like
Bugs Bunny or the Road Runner,
438
00:22:56,001 --> 00:22:57,836
{\an8}or Buster Keaton, in that sense.
439
00:22:57,836 --> 00:23:01,506
{\an8}That building falls on them,
but they're standing where the window was.
440
00:23:01,506 --> 00:23:03,925
{\an8}Or the train turns just
as the cannon goes off,
441
00:23:03,925 --> 00:23:07,971
and then the cannonball hits
the bad guy's train instead of his own.
442
00:23:08,555 --> 00:23:10,890
We also identify that he has fears.
443
00:23:10,890 --> 00:23:13,768
I hate snakes, Jock! I hate 'em!
444
00:23:13,768 --> 00:23:17,605
All of Indiana Jones'
eccentricities and anxieties
445
00:23:17,605 --> 00:23:20,275
and neuroses are part of his appeal.
446
00:23:20,275 --> 00:23:21,860
It's scary to go in a cave.
447
00:23:21,860 --> 00:23:25,196
It's scary to get spiked with a spear.
448
00:23:25,196 --> 00:23:27,073
You know, frightened of snakes...
449
00:23:27,073 --> 00:23:28,616
Why did it have to be snakes?
450
00:23:30,118 --> 00:23:31,578
He basically rolls his eyes, "Snakes."
451
00:23:31,578 --> 00:23:33,038
It's not like he screams. He's like,
452
00:23:33,038 --> 00:23:35,623
"I can't believe I'm a grown man
who's afraid of snakes."
453
00:23:35,623 --> 00:23:38,376
There is this-- this need to press on
454
00:23:38,376 --> 00:23:42,422
that, to me, kind of felt quintessentially
American about that character.
455
00:23:42,422 --> 00:23:46,509
So, he may not have been invulnerable,
but he was indomitable.
456
00:23:49,346 --> 00:23:51,598
And Harrison's
not afraid of snakes either?
457
00:23:51,598 --> 00:23:55,185
Not at all. But he-- But he's an actor.
458
00:23:55,185 --> 00:23:57,771
I like snakes. They don't scare me at all.
459
00:24:02,484 --> 00:24:07,405
There was one really dangerous snake
behind a piece of plexiglass.
460
00:24:07,405 --> 00:24:08,823
Try to get him going.
461
00:24:10,158 --> 00:24:11,868
That was a cobra. King cobra.
462
00:24:11,868 --> 00:24:13,953
Let's put in five more,
463
00:24:14,537 --> 00:24:16,539
and then we'll get ready to roll,
464
00:24:16,539 --> 00:24:19,042
and we'll put in two more
as we turn the cameras over.
465
00:24:20,043 --> 00:24:21,753
Two more fresh ones, right?
466
00:24:21,753 --> 00:24:25,423
There were people standing by
with syringes of antivenom.
467
00:24:26,216 --> 00:24:28,218
- Now he likes you.
468
00:24:30,178 --> 00:24:32,514
But all the rest of the snakes
were harmless.
469
00:24:32,514 --> 00:24:37,560
They would bite you,
but the bites were not deadly.
470
00:24:37,560 --> 00:24:39,854
You traitor! You get your hands off of me!
471
00:24:41,856 --> 00:24:43,692
We were having so much fun.
472
00:24:43,692 --> 00:24:46,528
Never had a better time on a movie.
It was crazy.
473
00:24:47,696 --> 00:24:50,156
- Whoops!
474
00:24:50,156 --> 00:24:51,991
- I'm standing still.
- Hey.
475
00:24:51,991 --> 00:24:54,160
- Couldn't be my fault.
476
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,414
No movie for a filmmaker
is an adventure.
477
00:24:57,414 --> 00:24:59,416
It's a lot of hard work.
478
00:24:59,416 --> 00:25:03,003
We were globe hopping as the character
of Indiana Jones was globe-trotting.
479
00:25:03,003 --> 00:25:04,587
That's not an adventure.
480
00:25:04,587 --> 00:25:07,799
That's a lot of long, boring
airplane rides. It's a lot of jet lag.
481
00:25:07,799 --> 00:25:10,969
That's a lot of moving
into new hotel or motel rooms.
482
00:25:10,969 --> 00:25:13,805
The only excitement for me happens
when I get to the set.
483
00:25:13,805 --> 00:25:17,350
- That's where the fun in it is for me.
484
00:25:17,350 --> 00:25:18,560
Let's start shooting.
485
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:20,645
We got Harrison here.
He's all ready to go.
486
00:25:20,645 --> 00:25:23,606
He's got his hat on. Good.
He's got his little satchel.
487
00:25:23,606 --> 00:25:25,525
Whoa, whip him!
488
00:25:25,525 --> 00:25:26,693
And the whip.
489
00:25:26,693 --> 00:25:30,613
{\an8}We had a guy, Glenn Randall,
that taught me the basics of it.
490
00:25:31,573 --> 00:25:36,578
{\an8}But I would stand out
in my driveway and practice. Hours.
491
00:25:36,578 --> 00:25:41,916
When you first start, you'd take your ear
almost off with the lash as it goes past.
492
00:25:42,834 --> 00:25:44,044
That's it. That's it.
493
00:25:44,669 --> 00:25:45,754
It's very dangerous.
494
00:25:45,754 --> 00:25:48,256
It's hard to learn.
But, uh, it was fun.
495
00:25:49,507 --> 00:25:51,509
Is that how you
got your scar on your chin?
496
00:25:51,509 --> 00:25:54,846
No. It was a car crash.
497
00:25:54,846 --> 00:25:57,682
A fast car crash on the way to sell, uh,
498
00:25:57,682 --> 00:26:00,769
knickknacks and oil paintings
at the Bullock's department store.
499
00:26:01,686 --> 00:26:04,064
- It's a wrap!
500
00:26:04,064 --> 00:26:06,232
Oh! Thank you, Dickie.
501
00:26:06,232 --> 00:26:07,317
Thanks, baby.
502
00:26:07,317 --> 00:26:09,235
You're coming to Hawaii with me.
I'll thank you later.
503
00:26:09,861 --> 00:26:12,364
The last week of shooting,
we were in Kauai.
504
00:26:12,364 --> 00:26:14,449
And the last week of shooting
505
00:26:14,449 --> 00:26:16,618
was the entire opening
of Raiders of the Lost Ark
506
00:26:16,618 --> 00:26:18,286
where they're trekking through the jungle.
507
00:26:20,789 --> 00:26:24,042
We're very nearly done.
This is-- It feels good.
508
00:26:24,042 --> 00:26:26,002
We worked almost every day.
509
00:26:26,002 --> 00:26:29,673
Had about a day and a half off
on the whole movie.
510
00:26:31,216 --> 00:26:35,303
And, uh, been sore and bruised
most of the time.
511
00:26:37,931 --> 00:26:39,724
They're making a movie.
512
00:26:46,731 --> 00:26:47,816
That reveal,
513
00:26:47,816 --> 00:26:52,821
that close-up stepping in with
the perfect eye light out of the shadows.
514
00:26:52,821 --> 00:26:55,740
That's signature Steven.
515
00:26:55,740 --> 00:26:59,994
It's funny that's one of the shots
we did late in the schedule.
516
00:26:59,994 --> 00:27:05,583
And I think Harrison, at that point,
certainly knew who that character was.
517
00:27:05,583 --> 00:27:10,005
And he knew that look
that only Harrison can give.
518
00:27:10,755 --> 00:27:13,967
He just owns the picture
from the first frame to the last.
519
00:27:13,967 --> 00:27:18,638
And it feels like a movie
that was made for him to shine.
520
00:27:19,931 --> 00:27:21,224
Any questions?
521
00:27:21,224 --> 00:27:22,684
When I go into the editing room,
522
00:27:22,684 --> 00:27:26,312
and I start to see these shots
cut together into a sequence,
523
00:27:26,312 --> 00:27:29,524
that's where I had
my first rush of excitement.
524
00:27:30,150 --> 00:27:31,526
Whoops.
525
00:27:31,526 --> 00:27:33,737
And my first cautious rush of,
526
00:27:33,737 --> 00:27:36,322
"Oh, this could be something amazing."
527
00:27:36,322 --> 00:27:37,615
"This could work."
528
00:27:38,324 --> 00:27:41,411
Steven invited me to come
and see the first screening of it.
529
00:27:41,411 --> 00:27:43,121
I was astonished.
530
00:27:43,121 --> 00:27:47,459
I mean, you don't really put together
the pieces of someone's performance
531
00:27:47,459 --> 00:27:50,962
working with them in the scenes
that you're in with them.
532
00:27:53,256 --> 00:27:55,342
I didn't have a very clear sense...
533
00:27:55,342 --> 00:27:56,468
What did you say?
534
00:27:56,468 --> 00:27:59,846
...of Harrison as Indiana Jones
until I saw the film.
535
00:28:01,014 --> 00:28:02,849
I saw it on opening day, alone.
536
00:28:02,849 --> 00:28:05,810
I mean, I was such a huge fan
of everyone involved
537
00:28:05,810 --> 00:28:08,772
that I still haven't forgotten
where I sat and where I saw it, you know?
538
00:28:08,772 --> 00:28:10,273
{\an8}'Cause it was also the moment
539
00:28:10,273 --> 00:28:12,609
{\an8}when you're trying to figure out
what you're doing with your life.
540
00:28:12,609 --> 00:28:15,987
{\an8}And it was one of the reasons
I became a movie director.
541
00:28:15,987 --> 00:28:20,450
{\an8} Indiana Jones was
a pretty life-changing experience for me.
542
00:28:20,450 --> 00:28:23,536
My first sole producer credit.
My first nomination.
543
00:28:23,536 --> 00:28:26,664
The start of an incredible friendship
544
00:28:26,664 --> 00:28:30,585
with a whole lot of wonderful people
that I'm still friends with.
545
00:28:30,585 --> 00:28:33,171
Everything about the creation of the movie
546
00:28:33,171 --> 00:28:37,342
was going on with just that family,
that handful of people.
547
00:28:37,342 --> 00:28:39,511
We were all together all the time.
548
00:28:39,511 --> 00:28:40,929
Yeah.
549
00:28:40,929 --> 00:28:43,431
There's only two shots here that...
550
00:28:43,431 --> 00:28:45,308
And I met my wife.
551
00:28:45,850 --> 00:28:48,853
Yes. That's where I met my husband.
552
00:28:50,063 --> 00:28:52,607
You know, I was married
to the movies at that time.
553
00:28:52,607 --> 00:28:54,734
And I thought, "Okay, I'm gonna do this.
554
00:28:54,734 --> 00:28:58,655
I'm not gonna find somebody
who loves making movies as much as I do."
555
00:28:59,322 --> 00:29:02,659
And then I met Kathy.
And we became great friends.
556
00:29:02,659 --> 00:29:04,244
And I fell in love.
557
00:29:04,994 --> 00:29:10,000
And I think that's a key
to our relationship here, 37 years later,
558
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:11,501
is that we're still great friends.
559
00:29:11,501 --> 00:29:13,920
We love working together,
and we love making movies.
560
00:29:18,174 --> 00:29:21,344
Hell, I'll be at this
for another couple of years, I'm sure.
561
00:29:21,344 --> 00:29:24,472
But I feel...
562
00:29:24,472 --> 00:29:26,975
...but at least I get
to go home for a while.
563
00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:32,147
I'm very grateful for
the opportunity to play that character.
564
00:29:33,023 --> 00:29:35,025
It's led to other opportunities.
565
00:29:35,608 --> 00:29:39,738
I had already become commercially viable,
566
00:29:39,738 --> 00:29:45,660
and now I was in a fantastically
successful second franchise.
567
00:29:46,411 --> 00:29:48,329
When he became Indiana Jones,
568
00:29:48,329 --> 00:29:50,832
and that was coupled with Han Solo,
569
00:29:50,832 --> 00:29:54,794
I don't think he ever had a night
where he could go to a restaurant,
570
00:29:54,794 --> 00:29:58,798
or step outside
without being pretty much mobbed.
571
00:30:00,550 --> 00:30:02,969
Harrison told me
something about stardom
572
00:30:02,969 --> 00:30:04,387
that I thought was very interesting.
573
00:30:04,387 --> 00:30:06,181
I hadn't thought about it, but he said,
574
00:30:06,181 --> 00:30:10,143
{\an8}"I feel for young people
who get tremendous attention very early."
575
00:30:10,143 --> 00:30:11,936
{\an8}He said, "I was fortunate, I think,"
576
00:30:11,936 --> 00:30:15,482
in that, um, before the huge spotlight
was shone on him,
577
00:30:15,482 --> 00:30:18,902
he'd been very successful
as not just a carpenter and so on,
578
00:30:18,902 --> 00:30:20,487
but restoring houses.
579
00:30:20,487 --> 00:30:23,448
People would seek him out for restoration.
580
00:30:23,448 --> 00:30:28,661
So, he had lived a life
before he became a movie star,
581
00:30:28,661 --> 00:30:31,748
when this great hurricane of fame hit him.
582
00:30:36,753 --> 00:30:39,964
Okay, Harrison.
Um, what I was asking you was,
583
00:30:39,964 --> 00:30:42,300
do you feel yourself typecast
at this stage
584
00:30:42,300 --> 00:30:46,638
as a high-action actor, macho adventurer,
585
00:30:46,638 --> 00:30:48,640
or are any other roles
that you'd like to play?
586
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,686
Are you pretty happy with the type of
roles that you're getting at this stage?
587
00:30:52,686 --> 00:30:54,229
No, I--
588
00:30:54,229 --> 00:31:00,902
I think it's true
that I am somewhat typed in that area,
589
00:31:00,902 --> 00:31:06,449
but I've had the opportunity to do
a lot of things outside of that.
590
00:31:08,368 --> 00:31:11,538
I've always wanted
to work in different genres
591
00:31:11,538 --> 00:31:13,748
when I had the opportunity.
592
00:31:13,748 --> 00:31:16,710
I was now early 40s.
593
00:31:16,710 --> 00:31:21,881
{\an8}And I was, uh, suitable for casting
in some of the great feature films
594
00:31:21,881 --> 00:31:24,968
{\an8}that were being made at that time
by some of the great directors.
595
00:31:24,968 --> 00:31:29,431
It was, basically,
I'm gonna do one for them and one for me.
596
00:31:30,932 --> 00:31:34,144
And "them" were
the studios and the audience.
597
00:31:34,144 --> 00:31:36,980
And then there was
a film I just wanted to do,
598
00:31:36,980 --> 00:31:40,233
regardless of whether it would be
commercially successful or not.
599
00:31:42,819 --> 00:31:48,491
This was a very voluble
period of time in Hollywood history.
600
00:31:48,491 --> 00:31:51,745
All these guys that were young, upcoming,
601
00:31:51,745 --> 00:31:55,582
who were rebelling, really,
against the studio system.
602
00:31:55,582 --> 00:32:01,838
{\an8}I mean, there were a bunch of guys.
Steven, George, Coppola, Milius.
603
00:32:01,838 --> 00:32:04,507
{\an8}They wanted their vision.
They wanted their independence.
604
00:32:04,507 --> 00:32:06,718
They wanted to make
their movies their way.
605
00:32:07,510 --> 00:32:10,764
And very quickly they were.
They were successful.
606
00:32:10,764 --> 00:32:14,434
They were so successful
that it changed Hollywood forever.
607
00:32:14,434 --> 00:32:21,274
{\an8}And it precipitated one of the greatest
20, 30 years of really quality movies.
608
00:32:21,274 --> 00:32:27,697
{\an8}Both out of these guys, and out of Sydney
Pollack, Alan Pakula and Mike Nichols.
609
00:32:27,697 --> 00:32:31,159
{\an8}All the fantastic filmmakers
that I got a chance to work with,
610
00:32:31,159 --> 00:32:36,539
{\an8}because I had reached that age where
I could play some of these characters.
611
00:32:36,539 --> 00:32:39,959
{\an8}I never expected ever to be a leading man.
612
00:32:39,959 --> 00:32:41,294
I thought I was, you know,
613
00:32:41,294 --> 00:32:44,839
be lucky to get a regular part
on a television series or something.
614
00:32:44,839 --> 00:32:48,885
But I wanted to make a living as an actor.
That's what I wanted to do.
615
00:32:51,721 --> 00:32:54,724
{\an8}Blade Runner was a big movie.
It was a big-budget film.
616
00:32:54,724 --> 00:32:59,020
And it was a son of a bitch to make,
'cause it was all night and in the rain.
617
00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,732
A new life awaits you
in the Off-world colonies.
618
00:33:02,732 --> 00:33:04,317
It was a different kind of movie.
619
00:33:04,317 --> 00:33:05,902
But that was the kind of film
620
00:33:05,902 --> 00:33:09,864
that I was now in a position
to be able to be considered for.
621
00:33:09,864 --> 00:33:11,157
I liked him in Blade Runner.
622
00:33:11,157 --> 00:33:14,953
{\an8}I know he had problems with it.
But it was a good character.
623
00:33:14,953 --> 00:33:19,249
And, um, I liked him in Witness,
which was a smaller film.
624
00:33:19,249 --> 00:33:23,253
{\an8}Uh, how do I look?
I mean, do I look Amish?
625
00:33:24,087 --> 00:33:25,088
{\an8}You look plain.
626
00:33:26,798 --> 00:33:29,801
{\an8}The thing that I was
really impressed with with Harrison
627
00:33:29,801 --> 00:33:31,636
was when he did Witness.
628
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:35,557
That was a fantastic experience.
629
00:33:35,557 --> 00:33:38,727
{\an8}Jeff Katzenberg was putting it together
at Paramount.
630
00:33:39,352 --> 00:33:42,105
{\an8}"Do you have any ideas
of who should direct it?"
631
00:33:43,940 --> 00:33:46,026
The first time I'd been asked.
632
00:33:46,026 --> 00:33:49,362
And I had just seen
Years of Living Dangerously.
633
00:33:50,071 --> 00:33:52,157
And I said, "How about Peter Weir?"
634
00:33:53,074 --> 00:33:54,993
They offered it to me,
and they said,
635
00:33:54,993 --> 00:33:58,079
"Come over. We'd like to meet you
and you meet Harrison."
636
00:33:58,079 --> 00:34:00,498
So, yeah, I was on a plane
before I thought much about it.
637
00:34:00,498 --> 00:34:02,959
Up into the mountains where he lived.
638
00:34:02,959 --> 00:34:05,795
And I got off the plane, you know,
a small regional airport.
639
00:34:05,795 --> 00:34:07,464
And there he was to meet me.
640
00:34:07,464 --> 00:34:09,090
And that surprised me.
641
00:34:09,090 --> 00:34:10,508
Harrison?
642
00:34:10,508 --> 00:34:12,635
He said, "Oh, we got to pick up
some stuff at the mini-mart
643
00:34:12,635 --> 00:34:15,180
on the way to the-- to my property."
644
00:34:15,180 --> 00:34:18,058
As I walked along the corridor
of the supermarket,
645
00:34:18,058 --> 00:34:22,645
I noticed on the cereal box was Han Solo.
646
00:34:22,645 --> 00:34:24,898
He was already a breakfast cereal.
647
00:34:24,898 --> 00:34:26,566
You know, and here I am meeting him.
648
00:34:26,566 --> 00:34:29,486
And I stayed at his place
working over the script,
649
00:34:29,486 --> 00:34:32,322
and talking about how we saw the film.
650
00:34:33,031 --> 00:34:36,451
I've always worn a Panama hat
from a very early age.
651
00:34:36,451 --> 00:34:39,329
One evening at the end of the day's
shooting, the sun just setting,
652
00:34:39,329 --> 00:34:41,414
Harrison and I walking back to the hotel.
653
00:34:41,414 --> 00:34:44,250
A fellow was coming toward me,
a young fellow, glaring at me.
654
00:34:44,250 --> 00:34:46,586
And I kind of looked away,
but, no, he's still coming.
655
00:34:46,586 --> 00:34:49,964
Passed close to me, too close,
and said into my ear,
656
00:34:49,964 --> 00:34:52,884
"There's only one, you know?"
657
00:34:52,884 --> 00:34:55,512
And went on past and
I said, "Harrison, did you hear that?
658
00:34:55,512 --> 00:34:58,640
He was thinking it was like
a hat like you wear in Indiana Jones."
659
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,642
We had a laugh about it, you know? But...
660
00:35:00,642 --> 00:35:02,769
"There's only one you know." Yeah.
661
00:35:04,396 --> 00:35:06,272
Witness was really when I thought,
662
00:35:06,272 --> 00:35:08,817
"Wow, there's more to Harrison
than meets the eye."
663
00:35:08,817 --> 00:35:14,656
In Indy, there's not a lot of opportunity
for real depth of emotion.
664
00:35:14,656 --> 00:35:16,408
And I think, in Witness,
665
00:35:16,408 --> 00:35:21,788
he was able to access that
in a very believable and grounded way.
666
00:35:21,788 --> 00:35:25,166
Because he's been doing a certain kind
of archetypal role for so long,
667
00:35:25,166 --> 00:35:27,168
we can forget that he's an actor.
668
00:35:27,168 --> 00:35:30,213
The way he chose directors
and sought those directors out,
669
00:35:30,213 --> 00:35:32,007
that is not someone who's not a film buff.
670
00:35:32,007 --> 00:35:34,342
That's not somebody who doesn't understand
what filmmaking is.
671
00:35:34,342 --> 00:35:38,263
In this period where the world was open
to him, he was taking advantage of it.
672
00:35:38,263 --> 00:35:42,517
We could see his ambition
and being challenged by filmmakers.
673
00:35:42,517 --> 00:35:44,019
Don't put 'em in the peaches.
674
00:35:45,020 --> 00:35:48,440
I'd say, Harrison,
he created his own shadow, in a sense,
675
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:51,109
with Han Solo and Indiana Jones.
676
00:35:51,109 --> 00:35:53,278
He didn't want to be defined by them.
677
00:35:53,278 --> 00:35:56,197
And that element of risk
that was involved for him,
678
00:35:56,197 --> 00:35:59,617
maybe it won't work,
maybe it'll hurt his image, is thrilling.
679
00:35:59,617 --> 00:36:01,953
When a star decides to take a risk,
680
00:36:01,953 --> 00:36:05,331
it's very exciting,
because it's like the beginning again.
681
00:36:05,331 --> 00:36:08,251
And I think we both enjoyed
that feeling on this film.
682
00:36:08,251 --> 00:36:10,545
If we don't get it right,
it could blow up in our faces,
683
00:36:10,545 --> 00:36:12,130
which is true of any film.
684
00:36:12,130 --> 00:36:15,633
There were moments
of real joyful collaboration
685
00:36:15,633 --> 00:36:19,054
between Peter and I,
and everybody else involved.
686
00:36:19,054 --> 00:36:21,848
And we-- we really had a good time.
687
00:36:21,848 --> 00:36:24,351
I love that movie. It's really good.
688
00:36:24,351 --> 00:36:27,562
{\an8}You didn't even go when
you were nominated for Best Actor, right?
689
00:36:27,562 --> 00:36:28,938
{\an8}- What?
- Yeah.
690
00:36:28,938 --> 00:36:33,902
{\an8}You were nominated for Witness in 1986,
and you did not attend the Oscars.
691
00:36:33,902 --> 00:36:36,404
Well, I had-- I had a lot of homework.
692
00:36:38,698 --> 00:36:40,116
I love all his movies.
693
00:36:40,116 --> 00:36:42,077
I mean,
I've watched The Fugitive 30 times.
694
00:36:47,540 --> 00:36:49,334
I do remember The Fugitive
695
00:36:49,334 --> 00:36:51,169
being the most breathless introduction
to a character,
696
00:36:51,169 --> 00:36:55,048
and then that film was just iconic
when I was growing up.
697
00:36:55,048 --> 00:36:56,591
{\an8}And then I think it was Working Girl.
698
00:36:56,591 --> 00:36:59,636
{\an8}You know, maybe I just don't like you.
699
00:36:59,636 --> 00:37:02,472
{\an8}Me? Nah.
700
00:37:03,848 --> 00:37:07,560
I feel there's so many
different versions of Harrison the actor.
701
00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,230
So, I feel like I rediscovered him
so many times.
702
00:37:13,608 --> 00:37:17,070
{\an8} I love Regarding Henry
as a courageous choice for Harrison.
703
00:37:17,070 --> 00:37:20,657
{\an8}I'd never seen Harrison
do that on film before.
704
00:37:20,657 --> 00:37:23,910
{\an8}The other character I love
is Allie Fox in Mosquito Coast.
705
00:37:24,577 --> 00:37:27,080
{\an8}I also loved him playing
the President of the United States.
706
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:28,873
I'm the President of the United States.
707
00:37:28,873 --> 00:37:31,710
{\an8}There's guilty pleasures.
There's Air Force One.
708
00:37:31,710 --> 00:37:33,670
{\an8}Get off my plane.
709
00:37:35,547 --> 00:37:38,967
{\an8} I'm so fascinated by all
the choices that he's made over the years.
710
00:37:38,967 --> 00:37:42,470
{\an8}I followed his career,
and he has this ability
711
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:46,558
{\an8}to make you fall in love with him
within five minutes of screen time.
712
00:37:46,558 --> 00:37:49,936
Also this ability
to pull you into the story,
713
00:37:49,936 --> 00:37:53,690
and want you to be with him on
this journey that his character goes on.
714
00:37:56,192 --> 00:38:00,655
He pushes the envelope, man,
in terms of intensity, tempo...
715
00:38:02,365 --> 00:38:04,868
He's always pushing
at the leading man's cage,
716
00:38:04,868 --> 00:38:10,957
and trying to rattle the bars and see if
he can expand what a leading man can be.
717
00:38:11,750 --> 00:38:15,920
- Hi, Mom. We're in Sri Lanka.
- Can you step out the shot now?
718
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:17,547
- Sri Lanka.
- Let's put the actors on.
719
00:38:18,631 --> 00:38:23,470
Not bad. It's good. Nice.
People are great, friendly.
720
00:38:24,387 --> 00:38:25,805
Nice elephants.
721
00:38:25,805 --> 00:38:28,224
Here we are at our spontaneous best.
722
00:38:29,184 --> 00:38:30,769
Let's make a movie.
723
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,866
George said,
"If you commit to this first movie,
724
00:38:44,866 --> 00:38:47,410
I need you to commit to three,
'cause I intend to make three of them."
725
00:38:47,410 --> 00:38:48,828
"Absolutely," I said.
726
00:38:48,828 --> 00:38:51,623
We shook hands on the beach
that day in 1977.
727
00:38:51,623 --> 00:38:53,124
- Action!
728
00:38:53,833 --> 00:38:54,918
Cut. Lovely.
729
00:38:56,086 --> 00:38:58,213
Great version. That's all we gotta do.
730
00:38:58,213 --> 00:39:00,256
Oh, boy! And it was a good shot.
731
00:39:01,257 --> 00:39:03,677
For me, there was nothing
that was gonna beat Raiders,
732
00:39:03,677 --> 00:39:06,179
because it's the first time
you're plunged into that world.
733
00:39:06,179 --> 00:39:08,014
But all those movies are wonderful.
734
00:39:08,014 --> 00:39:11,851
And I looked forward to each one of them,
seeing these characters again,
735
00:39:11,851 --> 00:39:14,979
and seeing the filmmaker I so admire,
736
00:39:14,979 --> 00:39:18,483
Steven Spielberg, flexing
his own muscles trying different things.
737
00:39:18,483 --> 00:39:21,194
Mr. Spielberg,
how does it feel directing a musical?
738
00:39:21,194 --> 00:39:22,862
Well, it feels just-- just swell.
739
00:39:22,862 --> 00:39:25,448
- It was designed to set you up...
- Yeah.
740
00:39:26,241 --> 00:39:28,034
...to think you were in a different movie.
741
00:39:28,034 --> 00:39:30,537
My mother actually thought
that it was the wrong movie
742
00:39:30,537 --> 00:39:32,706
for a good five minutes.
743
00:39:32,706 --> 00:39:35,125
Each film, I wanted the audience
744
00:39:35,125 --> 00:39:38,753
to learn something new
about Indiana Jones.
745
00:39:40,714 --> 00:39:42,966
Didn't want us to repeat
the same thing over and over again.
746
00:39:42,966 --> 00:39:44,426
His name is Henry.
747
00:39:44,426 --> 00:39:46,011
He's your son.
748
00:39:46,011 --> 00:39:49,597
I wanted part of the process
of the storytelling to include
749
00:39:49,597 --> 00:39:52,851
a character that would lead us
into a greater knowledge,
750
00:39:52,851 --> 00:39:56,396
or a situation we hadn't
seen Indiana Jones in before.
751
00:39:56,396 --> 00:39:59,816
He put two holes in my dress from Paris.
752
00:40:01,317 --> 00:40:03,737
Kate was great. We had a ball.
753
00:40:03,737 --> 00:40:06,906
She brought joy to the part
and a lot of glamour.
754
00:40:06,906 --> 00:40:08,324
- Ooh!
- Oh, God.
755
00:40:08,324 --> 00:40:09,576
My dress.
756
00:40:09,576 --> 00:40:13,329
I was really excited to be cast.
757
00:40:13,329 --> 00:40:16,249
{\an8}Raiders of the Lost Ark
took my breath away.
758
00:40:16,249 --> 00:40:19,502
Steven Spielberg,
what an amazing director.
759
00:40:19,502 --> 00:40:22,380
And Harrison, it was perfect casting.
760
00:40:22,380 --> 00:40:25,175
I met him on the plane.
761
00:40:25,967 --> 00:40:27,969
He's very quiet. He doesn't talk a lot.
762
00:40:27,969 --> 00:40:29,179
He's not chitchat.
763
00:40:29,179 --> 00:40:33,099
But he's very clever and very smart.
764
00:40:33,099 --> 00:40:34,809
When he talks, you listen.
765
00:40:38,688 --> 00:40:39,689
Indy!
766
00:40:39,689 --> 00:40:41,274
Don't even say Indy. Just...
767
00:40:41,983 --> 00:40:43,360
- Should be a screech.
768
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:45,403
So the audience doesn't say,
"I know what's gonna happen."
769
00:40:45,403 --> 00:40:47,655
She's gonna put her hand into the hole
and his hand will come out.
770
00:40:47,655 --> 00:40:51,826
This was their second film.
So, I would be the new kid on the block.
771
00:40:52,369 --> 00:40:56,456
And they had a very easy rapport
with each other.
772
00:40:56,456 --> 00:40:58,208
They had their inside jokes.
773
00:40:58,208 --> 00:41:01,127
A little joke between the joke,
just burning up a lot of film.
774
00:41:01,127 --> 00:41:02,504
It's between actor and the director.
775
00:41:02,504 --> 00:41:06,174
I was thinking
about what a gentleman Harrison is.
776
00:41:06,174 --> 00:41:07,884
I felt very cared for.
777
00:41:09,469 --> 00:41:13,139
He knew that I was the newbie.
It was only my third film.
778
00:41:13,765 --> 00:41:15,850
And it was such a big production.
779
00:41:15,850 --> 00:41:19,938
So when he'd see me uncertain
and not knowing what to do,
780
00:41:19,938 --> 00:41:23,942
he became the host, you know,
of his movie, and I was the guest.
781
00:41:23,942 --> 00:41:26,361
Like, he brings what he needs to bring.
782
00:41:26,361 --> 00:41:27,404
Action.
783
00:41:27,404 --> 00:41:29,531
- Lao.
- Lao.
784
00:41:30,198 --> 00:41:33,660
The scenes are fast.
They're furious. They're intense.
785
00:41:33,660 --> 00:41:34,911
Come on.
786
00:41:34,911 --> 00:41:37,664
You know,
the unspoken character is the action.
787
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,877
It was hard work,
but I thought it was so exciting.
788
00:41:42,877 --> 00:41:44,295
I loved it. I loved it.
789
00:41:46,047 --> 00:41:46,965
Huh?
790
00:41:47,507 --> 00:41:50,719
Wow, holy smoke! Crash landing!
791
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:52,470
- There's a kid driving the car!
792
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:54,014
- Oh!
793
00:41:54,014 --> 00:41:57,767
And Ke. Ke Huy Quan.
Here's this little boy on the set.
794
00:41:57,767 --> 00:41:59,978
Harrison and he were best pals.
795
00:41:59,978 --> 00:42:01,062
We bow to the sha--
796
00:42:01,062 --> 00:42:03,523
I bow to the shaman
then you bow to the shaman.
797
00:42:03,523 --> 00:42:07,152
He was, I guess, about eight years old
when we did the movie.
798
00:42:07,152 --> 00:42:09,195
I was actually 12 years old.
799
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:12,699
And he was fantastic in it.
800
00:42:12,699 --> 00:42:15,368
Great fun. Great fun to work with.
801
00:42:15,368 --> 00:42:17,912
This was a time
where I've never seen Raiders.
802
00:42:17,912 --> 00:42:23,585
So, I had no clue who Harrison Ford was,
or what even Indiana Jones is.
803
00:42:23,585 --> 00:42:28,340
I just remember him being,
you know, very friendly, very kind.
804
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:31,843
They had
a tremendously rich relationship.
805
00:42:31,843 --> 00:42:33,720
Ke would crack Harrison up.
806
00:42:33,720 --> 00:42:35,430
If Harrison was in a bad mood,
807
00:42:35,430 --> 00:42:37,474
all I would do is stick Ke on him,
808
00:42:37,474 --> 00:42:40,477
and Ke would go over and Harrison
would snap out of that mood in a second.
809
00:42:41,061 --> 00:42:42,937
He just spread joy everywhere.
810
00:42:42,937 --> 00:42:44,022
Very funny!
811
00:42:44,022 --> 00:42:47,025
- Very-- Ha ha ha!
- Ha ha ha.
812
00:42:47,025 --> 00:42:49,778
We would constantly
make practical jokes on Steven.
813
00:42:49,778 --> 00:42:52,364
When we were shooting
the mine cart sequence,
814
00:42:52,364 --> 00:42:54,574
they were serving ice cream at that time.
815
00:42:54,574 --> 00:42:59,120
So, we would take these ice cream cones
and we would smear it all over our faces.
816
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:02,374
We got in it,
and when we came by the camera,
817
00:43:02,374 --> 00:43:05,168
we popped up with our ice cream cones.
818
00:43:05,168 --> 00:43:09,255
We played on the set a lot.
819
00:43:09,255 --> 00:43:13,093
I remember Steven saying,
"Oh, that is so funny. Love it. Print it."
820
00:43:13,093 --> 00:43:15,053
- Come on! What you doing?
821
00:43:15,053 --> 00:43:17,639
That was like
a typical day on Temple of Doom.
822
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:18,723
That's fun!
823
00:43:20,058 --> 00:43:23,895
{\an8}One of my favorite partnerships
on these movies was Last Crusade.
824
00:43:23,895 --> 00:43:26,439
{\an8}Well, Indiana Jones
is coming back to the screen.
825
00:43:26,439 --> 00:43:28,108
{\an8}The movie opens tomorrow.
826
00:43:28,108 --> 00:43:31,903
{\an8}This time, Indiana Jones
comes back with someone extra.
827
00:43:31,903 --> 00:43:34,280
{\an8}I talked about wanting to see my father,
828
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:38,284
and Steven came up with the idea
and, of course, and the casting.
829
00:43:39,536 --> 00:43:40,578
Junior?
830
00:43:41,913 --> 00:43:42,914
Yes, sir.
831
00:43:43,915 --> 00:43:45,875
- Yes, sir. Oh.
832
00:43:45,875 --> 00:43:47,210
Come on. Get it right, boy.
833
00:43:47,752 --> 00:43:49,421
- And action!
- Junior!
834
00:43:49,421 --> 00:43:50,880
Yes, sir!
835
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:52,882
Seeing Sean Connery
and Harrison work together
836
00:43:52,882 --> 00:43:54,592
was just fabulous.
837
00:43:54,592 --> 00:43:59,014
I mean, these two, they were like
champion boxers going at each other.
838
00:43:59,014 --> 00:44:01,182
But it worked beautifully for the scene.
839
00:44:01,182 --> 00:44:04,144
Why are you sitting there resting for
when we're so near the end?
840
00:44:04,144 --> 00:44:05,311
Come on!
841
00:44:05,311 --> 00:44:09,149
Steven and Harrison and
myself really worked very well together.
842
00:44:12,068 --> 00:44:13,778
I think that in this one,
843
00:44:13,778 --> 00:44:20,118
the Indiana Jones character
gets more opportunity to be more human
844
00:44:20,118 --> 00:44:23,455
{\an8}because he had been very much a loner,
845
00:44:23,455 --> 00:44:28,710
{\an8}isolated, and never really establishes
any kind of relationship with anybody.
846
00:44:29,336 --> 00:44:32,255
The opportunity to express that
847
00:44:32,255 --> 00:44:36,509
was terrifically refreshing
to Harrison as an actor anyway.
848
00:44:36,509 --> 00:44:40,305
And it was a bit of a release
and a relief, as you think, for him too.
849
00:44:40,305 --> 00:44:42,724
They're gonna break a bit of new ground.
850
00:44:42,724 --> 00:44:44,934
I must say, it's been a lot of fun.
851
00:44:47,187 --> 00:44:48,396
Is that what it was?
852
00:44:48,396 --> 00:44:50,732
Brutal couple of years,
huh, Charlie?
853
00:44:50,732 --> 00:44:53,068
First Dad, then Marcus.
854
00:44:54,569 --> 00:44:58,239
Along the way, obviously,
we've lost some of our close friends.
855
00:44:58,239 --> 00:45:00,283
There's a lot of sadness.
856
00:45:01,034 --> 00:45:03,411
You know, when I think about River Phoenix
857
00:45:03,411 --> 00:45:06,581
and what he brought
to the character of Young Indy...
858
00:45:06,581 --> 00:45:08,416
Harrison had suggested River Phoenix
859
00:45:08,416 --> 00:45:11,294
{\an8}because he had just
worked with him on Mosquito Coast.
860
00:45:11,294 --> 00:45:13,380
{\an8}And he knew what a wonderful actor he was.
861
00:45:14,005 --> 00:45:18,009
{\an8}While doing Mosquito Coast,
I kept a close eye on Harrison,
862
00:45:18,009 --> 00:45:20,261
{\an8}and I noticed some of his traits,
863
00:45:20,261 --> 00:45:23,473
and I would, uh, sometimes mimic him
and get a few laughs.
864
00:45:24,683 --> 00:45:27,936
And it was fun.
I wanted to be a younger Indy.
865
00:45:27,936 --> 00:45:29,521
- Ready?
- Yeah. Go.
866
00:45:30,605 --> 00:45:34,150
All right. And then the lion lunges,
and you go back right to there.
867
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:35,235
No farther than that.
868
00:45:35,235 --> 00:45:37,904
I think the character
is a great character,
869
00:45:37,904 --> 00:45:39,447
and it's very well written.
870
00:45:39,447 --> 00:45:43,618
And then you bring Harrison in,
and he just-- He's so charming.
871
00:45:43,618 --> 00:45:44,661
He's got it down.
872
00:45:45,328 --> 00:45:47,372
He just guided me through stuff, um,
873
00:45:47,372 --> 00:45:49,708
gave me a little more insight
on the character.
874
00:45:49,708 --> 00:45:52,836
Gave me a feeling
for where it all comes from,
875
00:45:52,836 --> 00:45:54,629
the way he reacts to things, um...
876
00:45:54,629 --> 00:45:56,464
You know, what's going on in his head.
877
00:45:56,464 --> 00:45:58,967
And I just played that, but younger,
878
00:45:58,967 --> 00:46:02,929
and a little more innocence,
a little, uh, more amateur.
879
00:46:02,929 --> 00:46:05,390
Oh! Oh! Oh, no.
880
00:46:07,225 --> 00:46:11,354
The sort of generosity
that Harrison had with River,
881
00:46:11,354 --> 00:46:12,689
River ate that up.
882
00:46:12,689 --> 00:46:16,943
River was so thankful to Harrison
for giving him that knowledge.
883
00:46:17,527 --> 00:46:19,029
No, Dad. You listen to me.
884
00:46:19,029 --> 00:46:21,990
- Junior!
- One, two, three, four...
885
00:46:21,990 --> 00:46:23,408
In Greek.
886
00:46:23,408 --> 00:46:25,326
If I have to compare all the movies,
887
00:46:25,326 --> 00:46:27,037
my favorite is Raiders of the Lost Ark.
888
00:46:27,037 --> 00:46:30,206
And my second favorite,
out of the four I made,
889
00:46:30,206 --> 00:46:33,209
is the one with Sean Connery
playing Indy's dad.
890
00:46:33,209 --> 00:46:36,421
But the Temple of Doom,
the second Indiana Jones movie,
891
00:46:36,421 --> 00:46:37,839
absolutely changed my life.
892
00:46:38,506 --> 00:46:42,677
And that is that the girl I cast to play
Willie Scott turned out to be my wife.
893
00:46:42,677 --> 00:46:48,099
So, in a sense, I owe more than
I can ever express to that experience
894
00:46:48,099 --> 00:46:50,310
for introducing me to Kate Capshaw.
895
00:46:50,310 --> 00:46:54,230
Indiana Jones
changed my life, absolutely.
896
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:57,108
It flipped it, completely.
897
00:46:57,108 --> 00:46:59,611
- It's-- Oh, sorry.
898
00:47:00,278 --> 00:47:03,448
Kathy, Frank, Harrison,
Steven and me,
899
00:47:03,448 --> 00:47:06,326
best friends, and it was so much fun.
900
00:47:12,332 --> 00:47:14,668
{\an8}Indiana Jones from Princeton, New Jersey.
901
00:47:15,669 --> 00:47:18,004
{\an8}What's happening in Europe?
Is the war over?
902
00:47:18,004 --> 00:47:20,006
Germans still hold most of Belgium.
903
00:47:20,006 --> 00:47:21,883
I was so invested
in Indiana Jones
904
00:47:21,883 --> 00:47:23,468
that when that finally came to TV,
905
00:47:23,468 --> 00:47:25,387
you just thought,
"What's this going to be?
906
00:47:25,387 --> 00:47:27,555
And how is it going to be realized?"
907
00:47:28,390 --> 00:47:30,642
It was actually a show that ends up
being as much about history,
908
00:47:30,642 --> 00:47:33,853
in fact, more so than the movies do
about real history.
909
00:47:33,853 --> 00:47:36,690
And how this character
interacts with history.
910
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,361
Good lord. This is not
as you said it would be, Dr. Jones!
911
00:47:41,361 --> 00:47:43,988
And to see him turn up in it--
And you didn't know,
912
00:47:43,988 --> 00:47:46,032
{\an8}'cause in those days
we didn't get announcements.
913
00:47:46,032 --> 00:47:47,867
{\an8}We didn't have
what they now call the Internet.
914
00:47:47,867 --> 00:47:51,246
And so, it was nice to see him show up
as a surprise.
915
00:47:51,246 --> 00:47:54,207
{\an8}Harrison will then come up to here.
Saginaw will come up behind him.
916
00:47:54,207 --> 00:47:56,209
{\an8}Can we get both of them in
if he does that?
917
00:47:56,209 --> 00:47:58,545
{\an8} It was a lot of fun
doing this episode.
918
00:47:58,545 --> 00:48:02,632
Uh, Harrison did us a favor,
and it was a fun little weekend.
919
00:48:02,632 --> 00:48:06,720
And it's fun. It's like visiting a friend
and making a movie at the same time.
920
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:07,887
Want a cookie?
921
00:48:07,887 --> 00:48:09,305
- No.
922
00:48:09,305 --> 00:48:11,558
He just reminded me of how much I owe him.
923
00:48:12,851 --> 00:48:15,520
No, I'm glad to do it. It's fun.
924
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:18,231
And besides, I live here.
925
00:48:18,231 --> 00:48:20,650
First of all, it shows
his devotion to the character.
926
00:48:20,650 --> 00:48:22,485
And action.
927
00:48:22,485 --> 00:48:26,781
We felt his sense of approval
of what this show was trying to do.
928
00:48:26,781 --> 00:48:28,950
And, I think, in terms of ambition,
929
00:48:28,950 --> 00:48:31,953
it matched up with what he wanted
to see from that character.
930
00:48:39,669 --> 00:48:43,006
I think Harrison
always looked forward to playing Indy.
931
00:48:43,006 --> 00:48:46,676
He was so enthusiastic
to get back into character.
932
00:48:49,929 --> 00:48:53,183
Their treasure wasn't gold.
It was knowledge.
933
00:48:53,183 --> 00:48:54,684
Knowledge was their treasure.
934
00:48:55,310 --> 00:48:56,936
When we finished the fourth one,
935
00:48:56,936 --> 00:48:59,731
{\an8}I remember Steven, very enthusiastically,
936
00:48:59,731 --> 00:49:03,234
{\an8}Steven Spielberg,
talking about wanting to do a fifth one.
937
00:49:04,527 --> 00:49:07,822
There was this feeling
that there was more story to tell,
938
00:49:08,573 --> 00:49:13,370
and that as Indiana Jones
and Marion Ravenwood were getting married,
939
00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:16,790
it indicated, you know, more to come.
940
00:49:18,458 --> 00:49:22,170
I think that we all felt, you know,
another one would happen,
941
00:49:22,170 --> 00:49:24,673
and then a lot of time passed.
942
00:49:24,673 --> 00:49:28,551
And it-- it started
to feel less and less likely.
943
00:49:28,551 --> 00:49:32,722
Well, I think all of us wanted
to make one final Indiana Jones movie.
944
00:49:32,722 --> 00:49:36,476
And I sort of felt
that I had done four of them.
945
00:49:37,352 --> 00:49:39,104
And that was gonna be it for me.
946
00:49:40,146 --> 00:49:43,650
But I really was encouraging
this fifth film to be made.
947
00:49:44,651 --> 00:49:47,654
And so to sit here
and really ask ourselves,
948
00:49:47,654 --> 00:49:50,657
"Could you go make
another Indiana Jones movie
949
00:49:50,657 --> 00:49:53,827
with someone else playing Indiana Jones?"
950
00:49:53,827 --> 00:49:57,038
It is a very clear no.
951
00:49:58,498 --> 00:50:00,000
So the obvious challenge
952
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:04,004
is that you're returning
to a genre without recasting.
953
00:50:05,380 --> 00:50:09,509
{\an8}You've got the same actor
who was playing this in his mid-30s
954
00:50:09,509 --> 00:50:11,344
{\an8}playing it in his late 70s.
955
00:50:11,344 --> 00:50:16,224
And I think that what had been perceived
perhaps as a disadvantage,
956
00:50:16,224 --> 00:50:22,814
i.e. this player is past, you know,
his sell-by date, was all the advantage.
957
00:50:27,027 --> 00:50:32,782
I always was ambitious
for seeing Indiana Jones at this age,
958
00:50:33,783 --> 00:50:37,120
because he was
so much about his physicality,
959
00:50:37,954 --> 00:50:39,706
so much about his passion,
960
00:50:39,706 --> 00:50:42,542
so much about being a young man.
961
00:50:44,127 --> 00:50:48,381
I wanted to see him in circumstances
we had not seen him in before.
962
00:50:48,381 --> 00:50:51,843
And I thought, obviously,
the hook for that is age.
963
00:50:54,137 --> 00:50:58,308
I wanted to make a movie about
Indiana Jones near the end of his life.
964
00:51:03,855 --> 00:51:09,444
{\an8}On paper, the idea of doing
another Indiana Jones movie was daunting.
965
00:51:10,945 --> 00:51:13,031
Not only because you're following
966
00:51:13,031 --> 00:51:16,659
one of the greatest filmmakers of all time
in Steven Spielberg.
967
00:51:19,371 --> 00:51:23,708
The reason I did it was honestly
more personal than pragmatic.
968
00:51:25,210 --> 00:51:29,881
I was thinking back to the noon show
on opening day in 1981.
969
00:51:34,761 --> 00:51:36,179
Very dangerous.
970
00:51:36,179 --> 00:51:37,681
You go first.
971
00:51:39,516 --> 00:51:43,603
And that all these people's names
were on that movie, and they're all here,
972
00:51:43,603 --> 00:51:47,023
somehow asking this kid
from upstate New York to make one.
973
00:51:47,023 --> 00:51:49,109
And that they'd work with me.
974
00:51:49,109 --> 00:51:51,820
Such a full circle journey in my own life.
975
00:51:55,532 --> 00:51:58,118
- And cut.
976
00:51:58,118 --> 00:51:59,536
I couldn't resist.
977
00:52:00,078 --> 00:52:05,083
Your father thought this thing
could predict fissures in time.
978
00:52:05,083 --> 00:52:08,545
I was thrilled
with the script that we had--
979
00:52:09,212 --> 00:52:12,882
the script that Jim Mangold developed
with the Butterworth brothers,
980
00:52:12,882 --> 00:52:15,677
English playwrights and screenwriters.
981
00:52:15,677 --> 00:52:17,721
And they came up with a wonderful concept.
982
00:52:18,722 --> 00:52:21,558
I knew the movie was about time.
983
00:52:22,100 --> 00:52:24,936
Opportunities missed, opportunities lost,
984
00:52:24,936 --> 00:52:27,689
choices made, irrevocable mistakes.
985
00:52:30,525 --> 00:52:33,278
Indy was a hero in 1944.
986
00:52:33,278 --> 00:52:36,281
Now Indy's 70, and these are our heroes.
987
00:52:36,281 --> 00:52:37,449
The astronauts.
988
00:52:37,449 --> 00:52:40,201
The world has, in a sense, moved on.
989
00:52:40,827 --> 00:52:44,205
It really is a lot
about watching him looking at himself,
990
00:52:44,205 --> 00:52:46,708
and taking the measure of himself.
991
00:52:46,708 --> 00:52:48,793
But not in a melancholy way.
992
00:52:48,793 --> 00:52:50,879
It's a character assessing himself.
993
00:52:51,463 --> 00:52:53,465
And there's some part of us that realizes
994
00:52:53,465 --> 00:52:57,761
that maybe it's also Harrison
assessing himself as a character,
995
00:52:57,761 --> 00:53:00,764
and what that character's
come to represent for all of us.
996
00:53:02,557 --> 00:53:07,896
I wanted to start Indy
as far as I could from being a hero again.
997
00:53:07,896 --> 00:53:10,565
Those days have come and gone.
998
00:53:11,483 --> 00:53:14,611
So we'd feel the elation
when he stepped back into those shoes.
999
00:53:20,533 --> 00:53:23,703
Ha! See you tomorrow, Indiana Jones.
1000
00:53:24,954 --> 00:53:28,291
There's always a character
who Indy has a past with
1001
00:53:28,291 --> 00:53:30,335
who drags him into the narrative,
1002
00:53:30,335 --> 00:53:32,253
or gets dragged
into the narrative with him.
1003
00:53:32,253 --> 00:53:35,340
What we were trying to do
was create something new
1004
00:53:35,340 --> 00:53:39,302
that did have a familial aspect,
or to have something to do with his past.
1005
00:53:40,679 --> 00:53:43,014
Phoebe and I
had done Solo together.
1006
00:53:43,014 --> 00:53:45,809
So we went and had dinner and I said,
1007
00:53:45,809 --> 00:53:50,814
"Hey, I'm just gonna ask you something
that I have no idea how you would respond.
1008
00:53:50,814 --> 00:53:54,150
But we would all love it
if you would consider
1009
00:53:54,150 --> 00:53:59,322
taking the role opposite Harrison
in the last Indiana Jones movie."
1010
00:53:59,322 --> 00:54:03,827
And she literally fell
into the-- into the booth.
1011
00:54:03,827 --> 00:54:06,621
I mean, it's the kind of line you hear,
and you think it's a joke,
1012
00:54:06,621 --> 00:54:08,456
'cause I remember
just being like...
1013
00:54:08,456 --> 00:54:10,583
Can we have
another bottle of wine, please?
1014
00:54:10,583 --> 00:54:12,669
And then she had a big like, "Yeah."
1015
00:54:12,669 --> 00:54:14,838
The bottle of wine came,
and I was like, "This is hilarious."
1016
00:54:14,838 --> 00:54:17,007
She's like, "I'm serious."
1017
00:54:17,007 --> 00:54:20,176
She was my first choice for the part.
1018
00:54:20,802 --> 00:54:23,680
She brings a special kind of energy.
1019
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,640
It was clear
that we should cast her
1020
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:28,143
even before we had started writing.
1021
00:54:28,143 --> 00:54:29,894
There was no one else we had in mind.
1022
00:54:29,894 --> 00:54:32,772
We were only writing it
thinking of her voice.
1023
00:54:32,772 --> 00:54:34,691
The biggest terrifying moment
1024
00:54:34,691 --> 00:54:37,277
was when we finally
gave the script to Phoebe to read
1025
00:54:37,277 --> 00:54:38,862
not knowing whether she would say yes,
1026
00:54:38,862 --> 00:54:41,531
and not having any idea
where we'd go if she said no.
1027
00:54:42,198 --> 00:54:44,951
Harrison, he actually phoned me first,
1028
00:54:44,951 --> 00:54:47,954
and I had a voicemail
that was just a really long pause.
1029
00:54:47,954 --> 00:54:52,250
And then...
..."Hey, this is, uh, Harrison Ford."
1030
00:54:52,250 --> 00:54:55,086
You know,
I was just like, "What?"
1031
00:54:56,254 --> 00:54:58,048
- All right, let's go.
- I got you. Ready.
1032
00:54:58,048 --> 00:54:59,924
All right, here we go.
Background action.
1033
00:54:59,924 --> 00:55:01,509
And action!
1034
00:55:01,509 --> 00:55:03,803
We had a conversation about the film.
1035
00:55:03,803 --> 00:55:05,847
He was like,
"I'm excited about this movie."
1036
00:55:05,847 --> 00:55:07,349
And I was, "When you come over,
1037
00:55:07,349 --> 00:55:10,226
I'd love to have a meal with you,
a lunch, or a drink or something.
1038
00:55:10,226 --> 00:55:11,728
Maybe we should do that.
It'd be really fun."
1039
00:55:11,728 --> 00:55:14,147
He was like, "Oh, no. I don't think so."
1040
00:55:14,147 --> 00:55:16,441
Then I was like, "Oh."
Then he mentioned he played tennis.
1041
00:55:16,441 --> 00:55:18,026
I was like, "Maybe we should play tennis."
1042
00:55:18,026 --> 00:55:21,821
And he was like...
..."No, I'm good. Thanks."
1043
00:55:21,821 --> 00:55:24,324
I was like, "Okay.
Well, I'll see you first day on set."
1044
00:55:26,451 --> 00:55:28,787
The first day, I was really nervous.
1045
00:55:28,787 --> 00:55:32,374
But Harrison was just, like,
so warm and just open arms, and just like,
1046
00:55:32,374 --> 00:55:34,959
"Hey! Here we are.
We're making this thing happen."
1047
00:55:34,959 --> 00:55:38,296
I don't need morality lessons
from an aging grave robber!
1048
00:55:38,296 --> 00:55:41,591
I said to him, "At any
point you think I'm shit, please tell me.
1049
00:55:41,591 --> 00:55:43,385
And I'd rather you just say it.
1050
00:55:43,385 --> 00:55:45,887
Or help me out, 'cause no one
knows this craft better than you."
1051
00:55:45,887 --> 00:55:46,805
Whoo!
1052
00:55:46,805 --> 00:55:49,265
- He was like, "You're doing good, kid."
- Cut!
1053
00:55:49,265 --> 00:55:51,101
That's all you really want, isn't it?
1054
00:55:51,101 --> 00:55:53,895
Harrison Ford to squeeze your shoulder
and say, "You're doing good, kid."
1055
00:55:55,063 --> 00:55:57,065
I could barely keep up with her,
1056
00:55:57,065 --> 00:56:00,527
which is probably
no surprise to anybody but me.
1057
00:56:00,527 --> 00:56:03,029
- No, she's fantastic. She's got--
- No, no.
1058
00:56:03,697 --> 00:56:07,033
- I'll do this. She's got long legs.
1059
00:56:07,033 --> 00:56:09,703
I'm blown away
by the stamina of this guy.
1060
00:56:09,703 --> 00:56:12,163
'Cause I'm knackered
after about four seconds of running.
1061
00:56:22,549 --> 00:56:28,763
Harrison inevitably will arrive to set
poking and prodding at what we're doing.
1062
00:56:28,763 --> 00:56:30,015
What?
1063
00:56:30,015 --> 00:56:36,730
And the thing he's most looking for
is ways to undermine the BS.
1064
00:56:36,730 --> 00:56:41,651
Harrison's interest is always
in how to get closer to reality,
1065
00:56:41,651 --> 00:56:43,445
and then how to extract the fun.
1066
00:56:43,445 --> 00:56:44,821
They make each other laugh,
1067
00:56:44,821 --> 00:56:46,948
and they take each other
incredibly seriously.
1068
00:56:46,948 --> 00:56:48,324
Indiana Jones wouldn't do that.
1069
00:56:49,617 --> 00:56:52,203
There is a sort of hurricane
that happens when they're together.
1070
00:56:52,203 --> 00:56:54,914
Jim would push Harrison,
and Harrison would push Jim.
1071
00:56:54,914 --> 00:56:56,624
I was really inspired by that to see that.
1072
00:56:56,624 --> 00:56:59,544
Even when they would disagree
on something, it would be like...
1073
00:56:59,544 --> 00:57:02,172
Then they would be, "I love you"...
...afterwards.
1074
00:57:02,172 --> 00:57:03,423
Yeah, baby!
1075
00:57:04,049 --> 00:57:05,633
I loved both of their energies.
1076
00:57:05,633 --> 00:57:09,971
{\an8}I mean, I loved the "Let's cut
the bullshit" part of both of them.
1077
00:57:09,971 --> 00:57:13,558
You know, "Let's do it again.
Uh, I wasn't happy."
1078
00:57:13,558 --> 00:57:15,101
"We'll do it again." I love it.
1079
00:57:15,101 --> 00:57:17,187
We don't have to chitchat
too much about this.
1080
00:57:17,187 --> 00:57:19,356
We know what we're doing.
Let's do it again.
1081
00:57:20,023 --> 00:57:21,775
- This is where I'm turning.
- Yes.
1082
00:57:21,775 --> 00:57:23,777
If the director gets the cue right.
1083
00:57:23,777 --> 00:57:26,363
- Okay, you got it. I'll hit you there.
- All right. Here we go.
1084
00:57:26,363 --> 00:57:31,326
We're a couple of pretty bodacious,
uninhibited kind of guys.
1085
00:57:31,326 --> 00:57:32,827
And we yell at each other.
1086
00:57:32,827 --> 00:57:35,705
And I tell him he's full of shit,
and he tells me I'm full of shit.
1087
00:57:36,456 --> 00:57:38,917
And we get along really well.
1088
00:57:38,917 --> 00:57:40,168
And we have fun.
1089
00:57:40,168 --> 00:57:42,796
- I just didn't know that you knew it.
1090
00:57:42,796 --> 00:57:45,548
- I know it. I know it.
1091
00:57:45,548 --> 00:57:49,135
{\an8}There's this image of Harrison Ford
that's out there that you're grumpy.
1092
00:57:50,428 --> 00:57:53,682
{\an8}- That's horse
1093
00:57:54,391 --> 00:57:55,558
I think what irritates him
1094
00:57:55,558 --> 00:58:00,230
is somebody who's not a hundred percent
involved in what they're doing.
1095
00:58:00,230 --> 00:58:02,190
Somebody who doesn't have
1096
00:58:02,190 --> 00:58:06,611
that passion and enthusiasm
for making movies that we all have.
1097
00:58:06,611 --> 00:58:10,323
You've done whatever you've wanted
your entire life, Indiana Jones.
1098
00:58:10,323 --> 00:58:14,661
And then someone else comes along who
has their own opinion, and you get cranky.
1099
00:58:14,661 --> 00:58:16,579
Yeah, correct.
1100
00:58:16,579 --> 00:58:20,417
He doesn't put up with
people who kind of phone it in.
1101
00:58:20,417 --> 00:58:24,587
Oh, yeah. That's because being
in a bad movie scares the shit out of me.
1102
00:58:25,422 --> 00:58:29,217
What pisses Harrison off
is people not being prepared,
1103
00:58:29,217 --> 00:58:32,137
people not being
respectful of the job he's doing.
1104
00:58:32,137 --> 00:58:37,726
He likes there to be focus and attention
on the set. It's about the movie.
1105
00:58:37,726 --> 00:58:40,478
And I think he demands that.
1106
00:58:40,478 --> 00:58:45,108
Which is great because
it articulates expectation right up front.
1107
00:58:45,108 --> 00:58:47,485
- Ready?
- Ready! Run around!
1108
00:58:47,485 --> 00:58:49,070
- Here we go.
- Hurry up, you guys!
1109
00:58:49,070 --> 00:58:50,989
- Right away.
- We're making a movie!
1110
00:58:51,531 --> 00:58:53,074
Thank you very much!
1111
00:58:53,700 --> 00:58:55,744
Excellent! Ready?
1112
00:58:55,744 --> 00:58:57,579
- Okay. Here we go.
- Shut up.
1113
00:58:58,288 --> 00:59:00,123
He's always larger than life.
1114
00:59:01,541 --> 00:59:03,376
But he is so much fun,
1115
00:59:03,376 --> 00:59:06,880
and I think that that's always been
at the core of his performances,
1116
00:59:06,880 --> 00:59:08,715
and why he's so relatable.
1117
00:59:08,715 --> 00:59:12,218
{\an8}Everybody, this is my wife on the phone
that can't be here for my birthday.
1118
00:59:13,428 --> 00:59:14,929
{\an8}Hi, honey. I'll be home soon.
1119
00:59:14,929 --> 00:59:16,264
- Hey!
1120
00:59:16,264 --> 00:59:18,433
- Don't worry.
- Hey, don't-- That's the wrong guy!
1121
00:59:18,433 --> 00:59:20,435
- Can't wait to see you.
- Don't listen to him.
1122
00:59:20,435 --> 00:59:22,312
He's very funny.
1123
00:59:22,312 --> 00:59:25,607
{\an8}He has a very wicked sense of humor.
1124
00:59:26,232 --> 00:59:29,611
{\an8}It's potentially very dark,
but very funny.
1125
00:59:29,611 --> 00:59:30,945
{\an8}It's a contact sport
1126
00:59:30,945 --> 00:59:33,782
{\an8}when you come into contact
with a man like him.
1127
00:59:33,782 --> 00:59:35,617
{\an8}Luckily, he sorted me out.
1128
00:59:35,617 --> 00:59:39,871
Next time things get messy,
I've got that on.
1129
00:59:40,663 --> 00:59:43,333
So when I just need to do this,
I just get him out of there.
1130
00:59:44,209 --> 00:59:47,128
It's great to see people
who know what they're doing,
1131
00:59:47,128 --> 00:59:49,756
and enjoy their work, and work together.
1132
00:59:49,756 --> 00:59:51,966
It's a great crew. Hardworking people.
1133
00:59:51,966 --> 00:59:53,718
Very happy to be working with them.
1134
00:59:56,346 --> 00:59:58,223
The interesting thing with Harrison
1135
00:59:58,223 --> 01:00:00,600
is there is such an attention to detail.
1136
01:00:00,600 --> 01:00:03,645
He is a very, very meticulous person.
1137
01:00:03,645 --> 01:00:06,940
It's no surprise
that he was a finish carpenter.
1138
01:00:07,565 --> 01:00:12,112
And that attention to detail goes
into every single thing he does.
1139
01:00:12,112 --> 01:00:16,199
Carpentry depends
on a logical sequence of events.
1140
01:00:16,199 --> 01:00:18,243
You take rough material,
and you make it smooth.
1141
01:00:18,243 --> 01:00:19,327
You make it straight.
1142
01:00:19,327 --> 01:00:21,329
And then you decide how
1143
01:00:21,329 --> 01:00:24,666
the figure in the wood
will give the most pleasant appearance.
1144
01:00:25,417 --> 01:00:28,169
In the same way,
when you build a character or film role,
1145
01:00:28,169 --> 01:00:30,005
you want to proceed in the same way,
1146
01:00:30,005 --> 01:00:33,758
working from a foundation
up into the cosmetic aspects of them.
1147
01:00:34,426 --> 01:00:36,261
- Hello, Harrison.
- Hey, Mo.
1148
01:00:37,137 --> 01:00:40,015
Harrison said he was gonna pop
down, and he came down on his push-bike.
1149
01:00:40,015 --> 01:00:43,101
{\an8}He literally rode straight into the cage,
and just went through his bits.
1150
01:00:43,101 --> 01:00:47,188
{\an8}Took his time. Wasn't in a rush.
Gave every piece a good bit of thought.
1151
01:00:47,188 --> 01:00:51,776
Tried bits on. I think his words were,
"It's just a bit tatty."
1152
01:00:51,776 --> 01:00:53,778
So, fingers crossed.
We're gonna show him that later on,
1153
01:00:53,778 --> 01:00:55,363
once it's had a cleanup.
1154
01:00:55,363 --> 01:00:58,366
I have to pinch myself sometimes
that I'm actually doing this film.
1155
01:00:58,366 --> 01:01:01,286
It's funny, 'cause I showed Harrison
yesterday a picture of my dad
1156
01:01:01,286 --> 01:01:03,079
who worked on the original film.
1157
01:01:03,079 --> 01:01:05,999
I've actually got to get my dad
to autograph the photo
1158
01:01:05,999 --> 01:01:07,584
and give it back to Harrison.
1159
01:01:07,584 --> 01:01:09,753
He said that yesterday.
1160
01:01:09,753 --> 01:01:11,129
- Props!
- Coming, sir.
1161
01:01:12,380 --> 01:01:14,674
- What took you so long?
1162
01:01:15,383 --> 01:01:17,844
It's basically
just getting the costume right
1163
01:01:17,844 --> 01:01:19,512
for the scene that we're shooting.
1164
01:01:19,512 --> 01:01:22,098
I mean, such an honor to dress him.
1165
01:01:22,098 --> 01:01:23,850
He likes to put the hat himself.
1166
01:01:23,850 --> 01:01:26,603
{\an8}I give the hat to him like that.
1167
01:01:26,603 --> 01:01:28,104
{\an8}I give it. "There you go, Harrison."
1168
01:01:28,104 --> 01:01:32,025
And he is the one that puts it on,
and he does it.
1169
01:01:32,025 --> 01:01:34,986
And he always does that... You know? Yeah.
1170
01:01:34,986 --> 01:01:37,572
That bit there.
It's slightly big for me anyway.
1171
01:01:39,908 --> 01:01:42,660
I mean, you put it on,
you're Indiana Jones.
1172
01:01:42,660 --> 01:01:45,413
That's all you need to have a character.
1173
01:01:46,706 --> 01:01:48,750
I think it was
about a month into filming
1174
01:01:48,750 --> 01:01:50,293
before I saw him in the outfit.
1175
01:01:50,293 --> 01:01:51,628
We were in Sicily.
1176
01:01:51,628 --> 01:01:54,297
I had to follow him up a path
and then into a cave.
1177
01:01:54,297 --> 01:01:56,383
And we had to be looking very serious.
1178
01:01:56,383 --> 01:01:59,052
And I kept getting Jim coming up to me
and being like,
1179
01:01:59,052 --> 01:02:01,137
"Phoebe, you have to stop smiling.
1180
01:02:01,137 --> 01:02:04,182
You're walking behind him,
and you're smiling."
1181
01:02:04,182 --> 01:02:07,977
I was like, "I'm not, I swear I'm not."
And he was showing me.
1182
01:02:07,977 --> 01:02:11,648
Because Harrison first came on
in the outfit and I was just...
1183
01:02:11,648 --> 01:02:15,568
And then in every scene after that,
I was just... [laughs] ...behind him.
1184
01:02:15,568 --> 01:02:17,696
And, eventually,
Jim was like, "You're scared.
1185
01:02:17,696 --> 01:02:20,240
This is high-stakes situation.
Stop giggling."
1186
01:02:23,493 --> 01:02:25,829
Renny! Renaldo!
1187
01:02:25,829 --> 01:02:26,830
Ah!
1188
01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:30,250
He knows the impact
that he produces in people
1189
01:02:30,250 --> 01:02:33,128
{\an8}when he's working dressed
as Indiana Jones.
1190
01:02:33,128 --> 01:02:37,841
So I'm very thankful to him because,
psychologically, he knows very well
1191
01:02:37,841 --> 01:02:42,554
how to play with you
in order to make you feel comfortable.
1192
01:02:42,554 --> 01:02:45,849
It made me feel
participant immediately of the scene.
1193
01:02:45,849 --> 01:02:47,600
"What do you think about that?
What are you--"
1194
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,895
So you forget, actually,
as soon as possible,
1195
01:02:50,895 --> 01:02:53,898
that you are in front of Indiana Jones
and all that thing, you know?
1196
01:02:53,898 --> 01:02:56,234
So it's beautiful.
1197
01:02:56,234 --> 01:02:58,111
When I do it, do it again.
1198
01:02:58,111 --> 01:02:59,696
I'm gonna hit you
to give you that direction.
1199
01:02:59,696 --> 01:03:01,614
- I'll go. Yeah, yeah.
- Yeah.
1200
01:03:04,909 --> 01:03:06,369
Then over here a little bit more.
1201
01:03:07,328 --> 01:03:09,372
- Set.
- All right, here we go!
1202
01:03:09,372 --> 01:03:10,790
And background.
1203
01:03:10,790 --> 01:03:14,210
170, anyone? Anyone. Going! Going!
1204
01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:15,795
- Gone.
1205
01:03:15,795 --> 01:03:17,130
What are you doing?
1206
01:03:17,130 --> 01:03:19,507
Harrison wants things to be real.
1207
01:03:19,507 --> 01:03:22,927
You know,
he is a bit of an adventurer himself.
1208
01:03:22,927 --> 01:03:24,596
He wants to work hard.
1209
01:03:24,596 --> 01:03:29,601
He wants to learn how to handle that whip
better than anybody can.
1210
01:03:32,020 --> 01:03:35,106
He wants to be the one
riding the actual horse.
1211
01:03:35,106 --> 01:03:38,693
He doesn't want to rely
on stunt people to do that.
1212
01:03:38,693 --> 01:03:40,862
And that was always
a big issue of contention.
1213
01:03:40,862 --> 01:03:43,490
Everybody was very reluctantly
having to say,
1214
01:03:43,490 --> 01:03:47,660
"Yeah, but, you know,
you're not a kid anymore."
1215
01:03:47,660 --> 01:03:49,204
And he didn't care.
1216
01:03:49,204 --> 01:03:52,540
He wanted to be the one
that was in there getting it done.
1217
01:03:54,125 --> 01:03:55,919
Anybody can ride a horse.
1218
01:03:55,919 --> 01:03:59,214
And there were a lot of concerns
about my safety,
1219
01:03:59,214 --> 01:04:02,509
all of which
both amused and infuriated me.
1220
01:04:03,301 --> 01:04:05,303
Should he do it? I don't know.
1221
01:04:05,303 --> 01:04:08,973
I mean, my wife always tells me
that I shouldn't have done that stunt.
1222
01:04:08,973 --> 01:04:10,517
"Why did you do it?"
1223
01:04:10,517 --> 01:04:12,727
So who am I to tell Harrison
that he shouldn't?
1224
01:04:12,727 --> 01:04:14,396
I understand exactly where it comes from.
1225
01:04:14,396 --> 01:04:15,647
He loves what he's doing.
1226
01:04:15,647 --> 01:04:20,151
And if he can do it, and he can do it
better than the other ones, let him do it.
1227
01:04:20,151 --> 01:04:25,615
Seeing Harrison Ford
at, what, now 79, do stunt stuff?
1228
01:04:25,615 --> 01:04:28,159
{\an8}Pray, God, that I have such longevity
1229
01:04:28,159 --> 01:04:30,787
that when I'm nearly 80,
that I'm able to throw a punch.
1230
01:04:30,787 --> 01:04:32,330
Like, that is incredible.
1231
01:04:33,915 --> 01:04:35,250
We gotta jump!
1232
01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:36,835
What about my dicky knee?
1233
01:04:40,505 --> 01:04:43,633
{\an8}I've understood something
about the nature of these films
1234
01:04:43,633 --> 01:04:46,302
that I hadn't fully
taken seriously before.
1235
01:04:46,302 --> 01:04:48,972
Within the movies,
it's very easy to hurt yourself.
1236
01:04:50,974 --> 01:04:54,019
I think of the life he's had
making these movies,
1237
01:04:54,019 --> 01:04:55,979
and the injuries he's sustained--
1238
01:04:55,979 --> 01:04:57,731
It seems absolutely incredible.
1239
01:04:57,731 --> 01:05:00,692
You know, Harrison punches
somebody in the jaw or something,
1240
01:05:00,692 --> 01:05:04,070
and he hurts his hand,
like most of us would.
1241
01:05:04,070 --> 01:05:05,905
I heard it was 'cause
he was punching a Nazi.
1242
01:05:07,907 --> 01:05:10,410
So, at least it was
kind of doing something good.
1243
01:05:11,119 --> 01:05:13,288
Three, two, one, action!
1244
01:05:18,084 --> 01:05:20,670
I wanted to play a physical character,
1245
01:05:20,670 --> 01:05:25,467
and do the same kind of physical acting
that I did when I was 40,
1246
01:05:25,467 --> 01:05:29,054
or 50, or 60, at 80.
1247
01:05:29,054 --> 01:05:31,973
So, it's like we start wide,
we show how high you are...
1248
01:05:31,973 --> 01:05:34,684
And I wanted it
to look rough and hard.
1249
01:05:34,684 --> 01:05:38,438
I wanted people to know
how that feels to Indiana Jones.
1250
01:05:38,438 --> 01:05:41,566
I'm thinking about
what the hell I'm doing up here,
1251
01:05:41,566 --> 01:05:44,778
40 feet in the air with crap shoulders,
1252
01:05:44,778 --> 01:05:46,946
crumbling vertebrae,
1253
01:05:46,946 --> 01:05:49,074
a plate in one leg, screws in the other.
1254
01:05:49,074 --> 01:05:51,159
Yeah, I get it. I get it.
1255
01:05:51,159 --> 01:05:52,619
No, you don't get it.
1256
01:05:53,286 --> 01:05:55,538
One of the things
you face as you get older
1257
01:05:55,538 --> 01:05:59,042
is knowing the value
of your remaining years on this Earth.
1258
01:05:59,042 --> 01:06:01,711
And wanting to do something useful.
1259
01:06:01,711 --> 01:06:02,796
This is it.
1260
01:06:02,796 --> 01:06:05,006
Does he have
one last adventure in him?
1261
01:06:05,006 --> 01:06:07,008
Does he have the courage to face it again?
1262
01:06:07,008 --> 01:06:08,468
Get in the pool!
1263
01:06:08,468 --> 01:06:14,849
And I think the answer that
I hope the movie offers audiences is yes.
1264
01:06:18,645 --> 01:06:20,605
{\an8} How do you explain
this guy's appeal?
1265
01:06:20,605 --> 01:06:22,857
{\an8}He's not standard hero.
1266
01:06:22,857 --> 01:06:25,568
{\an8}He's not standard leading man.
1267
01:06:25,568 --> 01:06:27,987
{\an8}- Good looking son of a bitch, isn't he?
1268
01:06:27,987 --> 01:06:31,658
{\an8}No. I mean, what do I know?
You got the wrong guy to ask.
1269
01:06:31,658 --> 01:06:34,327
{\an8}- The movies are very successful.
- You are the guy to ask.
1270
01:06:34,327 --> 01:06:37,956
{\an8}The movies, I'm not talking about
their financial success.
1271
01:06:37,956 --> 01:06:41,042
{\an8}I'm saying, as movies,
they are very successful movies.
1272
01:06:41,042 --> 01:06:45,422
{\an8}That's why. That's why we like them,
because they work as movies.
1273
01:06:45,422 --> 01:06:46,798
{\an8}And we like movies.
1274
01:06:49,300 --> 01:06:52,929
I think Indiana Jones
didn't just change my life.
1275
01:06:52,929 --> 01:06:55,265
{\an8}It actually changed the nature of film.
1276
01:06:55,265 --> 01:06:58,101
Give 'em hell, Indiana Jones!
1277
01:06:59,144 --> 01:07:03,648
Part of what is the DNA
of an Indiana Jones film
1278
01:07:03,648 --> 01:07:07,986
is it's a kind of optimal display
of all the crafts at their highest form.
1279
01:07:07,986 --> 01:07:11,614
This is a total art
that needs a lot of attention.
1280
01:07:11,614 --> 01:07:13,116
And especially a movie like this,
1281
01:07:13,116 --> 01:07:15,493
where the people is gonna be
with a magnifying glass,
1282
01:07:15,493 --> 01:07:16,995
looking to every detail.
1283
01:07:16,995 --> 01:07:18,621
And action!
1284
01:07:18,621 --> 01:07:20,999
It's everything. It's costumes.
1285
01:07:20,999 --> 01:07:23,501
The hat was good. Hat's good in this.
1286
01:07:23,501 --> 01:07:26,129
- It's props.
- Props! Whip!
1287
01:07:26,129 --> 01:07:27,464
It's sound.
1288
01:07:28,840 --> 01:07:32,260
It's the costumes. It's the actors.
It's the direction. It's the editing.
1289
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:38,224
Big production values,
action, adventure, great music.
1290
01:07:41,936 --> 01:07:44,606
{\an8}
1291
01:07:48,109 --> 01:07:50,403
That damn music follows me everywhere.
1292
01:07:52,739 --> 01:07:56,951
It was playing in the operating room
when I went in for my colonoscopy.
1293
01:08:00,038 --> 01:08:02,957
"Raiders" is one
of John's greatest scores.
1294
01:08:02,957 --> 01:08:05,210
{\an8}Surely one of the greatest scores
of all time.
1295
01:08:06,836 --> 01:08:08,922
It's mystically good.
1296
01:08:10,006 --> 01:08:12,342
You guys are gonna be all over us now.
1297
01:08:13,677 --> 01:08:16,471
John Williams
bonded all of these films together,
1298
01:08:16,471 --> 01:08:20,475
and gave Harrison, as the character
of Indiana Jones, a musical identity.
1299
01:08:25,814 --> 01:08:28,566
He played the march for me
on the piano in his music room.
1300
01:08:28,566 --> 01:08:30,819
And I said,
"Every high school marching band
1301
01:08:30,819 --> 01:08:32,987
is gonna adopt this
and start playing this."
1302
01:08:32,987 --> 01:08:34,823
This is gonna outlive all of us,
that march.
1303
01:08:36,324 --> 01:08:40,495
Indiana Jones was wonderful
because it's never serious.
1304
01:08:40,495 --> 01:08:42,414
You know, Harrison Ford has this ability
1305
01:08:42,414 --> 01:08:46,001
to do the most dramatic scenes
with a slight tongue in his cheek,
1306
01:08:46,001 --> 01:08:47,836
or twinkle in his eye, you know?
1307
01:08:47,836 --> 01:08:50,922
- I can't do that.
- You wanna stop for a little lie-down?
1308
01:09:00,140 --> 01:09:02,517
Being in the room with a full orchestra
1309
01:09:02,517 --> 01:09:06,396
and watching his care and precision,
the way he works,
1310
01:09:06,396 --> 01:09:08,857
and the great enormous respect
1311
01:09:08,857 --> 01:09:12,777
that the players have for him,
and he for them.
1312
01:09:12,777 --> 01:09:15,280
It's just a wonderful experience.
1313
01:09:19,409 --> 01:09:21,161
Harrison, we love you, buddy.
1314
01:09:24,330 --> 01:09:26,207
We wouldn't be here without you.
1315
01:09:26,207 --> 01:09:27,667
- Yeah.
1316
01:09:38,136 --> 01:09:42,599
There hadn't been that many
American intergenerational stories
1317
01:09:42,599 --> 01:09:44,517
built around a single character.
1318
01:09:44,517 --> 01:09:47,812
To have that level of consistency
with Indiana Jones,
1319
01:09:47,812 --> 01:09:50,857
and also too,
to have the level of filmmaking,
1320
01:09:50,857 --> 01:09:52,525
we shouldn't forget that.
1321
01:09:52,525 --> 01:09:57,280
I can't think of another series that's had
that kind of mastery of craft,
1322
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:01,534
where you can also feel the maturation
of the filmmaker and the star together.
1323
01:10:01,534 --> 01:10:06,956
And I think that becomes this thing
that people love sitting down with kids,
1324
01:10:06,956 --> 01:10:09,125
and parents and talking about it,
1325
01:10:09,125 --> 01:10:11,795
remembering where they were
when they saw these movies.
1326
01:10:11,795 --> 01:10:15,131
One of the things we wanted to do
is be able to pass these things along
1327
01:10:15,131 --> 01:10:16,841
that we love to people we love,
1328
01:10:16,841 --> 01:10:18,802
and have them understand
what that means to us.
1329
01:10:18,802 --> 01:10:21,888
{\an8}And you hope that they will carry
that excitement on to somebody else.
1330
01:10:23,223 --> 01:10:25,558
We all realized the big reason
1331
01:10:25,558 --> 01:10:29,270
that we're able to make
these movies again and again
1332
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:32,857
is because of the audience,
because of the fans.
1333
01:10:32,857 --> 01:10:35,026
Harrison's incredibly gracious.
1334
01:10:35,026 --> 01:10:40,448
And he gives as much time
as they need to celebrate that.
1335
01:10:43,118 --> 01:10:47,122
{\an8} Cefalù was very interesting
because rumor and word spread quickly.
1336
01:10:47,122 --> 01:10:49,916
Harrison Ford was
not the only Indiana Jones in town.
1337
01:10:49,916 --> 01:10:54,754
{\an8}Various sightings of some doppelgängers
were spotted roaming the streets.
1338
01:10:54,754 --> 01:10:58,341
{\an8}We're just Italian fan of Indy
and, of course, of Harrison Ford.
1339
01:10:58,341 --> 01:11:00,927
So we are just here
and that we hope to meet Ford
1340
01:11:00,927 --> 01:11:05,265
because he should pass here,
and I hope we will be lucky.
1341
01:11:06,766 --> 01:11:08,560
- Harrison!
1342
01:11:08,560 --> 01:11:10,353
Ciao!
1343
01:11:10,353 --> 01:11:12,439
Of course, Harrison made sure
1344
01:11:12,439 --> 01:11:15,775
that we were gonna detour
to meet these, uh, impersonators.
1345
01:11:15,775 --> 01:11:18,361
And we rocked up on the golf buggy,
1346
01:11:18,361 --> 01:11:21,865
jumped out,
and I think pretty much made their life.
1347
01:11:21,865 --> 01:11:24,451
- Three, two, one.
1348
01:11:28,663 --> 01:11:31,833
You have a sense of responsibility
to your customers.
1349
01:11:31,833 --> 01:11:35,128
- And thank you very much.
1350
01:11:37,464 --> 01:11:39,341
I think of the people
that go to my movies
1351
01:11:39,341 --> 01:11:42,093
more as customers than I do as fans.
1352
01:11:42,093 --> 01:11:44,304
And I'm responsible to them
1353
01:11:44,304 --> 01:11:47,265
for the quality
of the service that I offer.
1354
01:11:47,265 --> 01:11:49,768
The shield is the second marker.
1355
01:11:49,768 --> 01:11:51,394
Just like your father.
1356
01:11:51,394 --> 01:11:52,896
- Giddy as a schoolboy.
1357
01:11:52,896 --> 01:11:54,814
The excitement that Harrison
1358
01:11:54,814 --> 01:11:58,234
brings to the character of Indy
inspires kids.
1359
01:11:58,234 --> 01:11:59,569
I mean, how great is that?
1360
01:11:59,569 --> 01:12:02,906
Some of them were inspired
not only to become filmmakers,
1361
01:12:02,906 --> 01:12:05,575
but to become teachers and archaeologists.
1362
01:12:05,575 --> 01:12:08,078
"Neo," meaning "new" and "lithic..."
1363
01:12:09,496 --> 01:12:11,915
- I-T-H... I-C.
1364
01:12:12,499 --> 01:12:14,834
{\an8}When Raiders of the Lost Ark
came out, it was like,
1365
01:12:14,834 --> 01:12:16,836
{\an8}"I could make a career out of doing this."
1366
01:12:16,836 --> 01:12:21,508
{\an8}It's not just a love of history.
I could actually be a teacher.
1367
01:12:21,508 --> 01:12:22,926
I could be a professor.
1368
01:12:22,926 --> 01:12:24,719
When I come back,
we'll discuss the difference
1369
01:12:24,719 --> 01:12:26,805
between migration and exodus.
1370
01:12:27,847 --> 01:12:29,808
It's always, kind of, been a running joke
1371
01:12:29,808 --> 01:12:31,226
that my name is Dr. Jones.
1372
01:12:31,226 --> 01:12:34,270
{\an8}When my friends found out
that I was gonna pursue archaeology,
1373
01:12:34,270 --> 01:12:36,606
{\an8}I had a number of people
running around saying,
1374
01:12:36,606 --> 01:12:38,316
{\an8}"Dr. Jones, Dr. Jones," all the time.
1375
01:12:38,316 --> 01:12:41,069
Okey dokey, Dr. Jones.
Hold on to your potatoes!
1376
01:12:41,069 --> 01:12:43,113
When I graduated, though,
1377
01:12:43,113 --> 01:12:47,117
one of my friends gave me the box set
of the Indiana Jones films,
1378
01:12:47,117 --> 01:12:48,368
as well as a whip.
1379
01:12:48,368 --> 01:12:50,537
- Give me the whip!
- Adiós, señor.
1380
01:12:51,204 --> 01:12:53,206
{\an8}The fact that we've lived so long
1381
01:12:53,206 --> 01:12:57,544
{\an8}with Harrison Ford as Indiana Jones
gives us a sense of feeling
1382
01:12:57,544 --> 01:12:59,337
that we're growing up with him.
1383
01:12:59,337 --> 01:13:01,881
I was a graduate teacher
1384
01:13:01,881 --> 01:13:06,469
with Intro to Archaeology in 1989
when the third film came out...
1385
01:13:06,469 --> 01:13:09,180
- You call this archaeology?
- Get out of there, Dad.
1386
01:13:09,180 --> 01:13:12,600
...and my class enrollment of ten
1387
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:15,729
ballooned to 100 because of the film.
1388
01:13:15,729 --> 01:13:19,899
And I'll see
each and every one of them in turn.
1389
01:13:20,734 --> 01:13:22,986
The number of people
who went into archaeology
1390
01:13:22,986 --> 01:13:25,739
because those movies
made it seem like a living thing.
1391
01:13:25,739 --> 01:13:29,576
It made history seem
like a continuum of adventure stories,
1392
01:13:29,576 --> 01:13:32,704
which, if you go back to
the Old Testament, they kind of are.
1393
01:13:32,704 --> 01:13:34,914
And that same sense of jeopardy.
1394
01:13:34,914 --> 01:13:36,666
Kneels before God.
1395
01:13:36,666 --> 01:13:38,835
- Kneel!
1396
01:13:39,669 --> 01:13:41,671
You feel like by being an archaeologist,
1397
01:13:41,671 --> 01:13:43,590
{\an8}you're going to have
those sorts of adventures. Sure.
1398
01:13:43,590 --> 01:13:45,133
{\an8}Also, he was incredibly sexy,
1399
01:13:45,133 --> 01:13:48,595
so that's going to be, obviously,
aspirational for many.
1400
01:13:48,595 --> 01:13:51,848
{\an8}But, I think, also there was something
so amazing about that character
1401
01:13:51,848 --> 01:13:55,185
{\an8}in the fact that he cared about history
and that he was so intelligent,
1402
01:13:55,185 --> 01:13:56,644
and him going on these huge adventures,
1403
01:13:56,644 --> 01:13:59,773
but always in the pursuit
of protecting something precious.
1404
01:13:59,773 --> 01:14:02,359
- If you want to be a good archaeologist,
1405
01:14:02,359 --> 01:14:04,444
you got to get out of the library!
1406
01:14:04,444 --> 01:14:06,863
That duality of personality
1407
01:14:06,863 --> 01:14:10,825
is actually not that different
from being an archaeologist,
1408
01:14:10,825 --> 01:14:15,455
because you can be on campus
on the university, go to class,
1409
01:14:15,455 --> 01:14:21,169
but you really want to take off
these street clothes, get on an airplane,
1410
01:14:21,169 --> 01:14:26,341
and go someplace like Egypt or to Arabia
and actually find history.
1411
01:14:26,341 --> 01:14:31,096
There are people still
doing explorations of little-known areas.
1412
01:14:31,096 --> 01:14:33,807
There are archaeologists
going into places like that.
1413
01:14:33,807 --> 01:14:36,393
Uh, few of them, I think, carry bullwhips.
1414
01:14:36,393 --> 01:14:39,479
Bullwhips. I haven't quite figured out
how that would really fit
1415
01:14:39,479 --> 01:14:41,606
into my archaeological tool kit yet.
1416
01:14:41,606 --> 01:14:43,483
The Ark of the Covenant.
1417
01:14:44,192 --> 01:14:46,236
Nothing else has come close.
1418
01:14:46,236 --> 01:14:49,781
That thing represents everything we got
into archaeology for in the first place.
1419
01:14:50,448 --> 01:14:54,536
I'm thrilled when people come up and say,
"Oh, I'm an archaeologist." You know?
1420
01:14:54,536 --> 01:14:57,330
"And never thought about it
until I saw Indiana Jones."
1421
01:14:57,330 --> 01:14:59,082
I think the more exposure
1422
01:14:59,082 --> 01:15:01,668
that archaeology gets
through popular media,
1423
01:15:01,668 --> 01:15:03,586
through films like Indiana Jones,
1424
01:15:03,586 --> 01:15:06,715
it does inspire new generations of people
to come to us.
1425
01:15:06,715 --> 01:15:09,843
It used to be predominantly
white male men.
1426
01:15:09,843 --> 01:15:14,848
Now what we see is a huge increase
of women within the field.
1427
01:15:14,848 --> 01:15:20,186
And now we're starting to see more
minorities in the field than ever before.
1428
01:15:20,186 --> 01:15:21,604
You're a teacher?
1429
01:15:24,733 --> 01:15:25,942
Part-time.
1430
01:15:27,485 --> 01:15:30,905
In 2007, my partner
in all things Indy, Wes Dodgens,
1431
01:15:30,905 --> 01:15:33,700
and I created
Adventures in Learning with Indiana Jones.
1432
01:15:33,700 --> 01:15:37,912
And it was a platform
for teachers to come get inspired,
1433
01:15:37,912 --> 01:15:42,459
{\an8}and find resources for teaching
with Indy from all of his adventures.
1434
01:15:42,459 --> 01:15:45,920
There's so many lessons to
be learned from his character.
1435
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:47,172
One of them would be
1436
01:15:47,172 --> 01:15:49,674
the greatest treasures
are the ones that you gain,
1437
01:15:50,216 --> 01:15:51,676
and you give away freely to others.
1438
01:15:51,676 --> 01:15:55,805
And it's not treasures that can be
confined to the walls of a museum.
1439
01:15:56,431 --> 01:16:01,811
It's treasures that are developed in
relationship between friends and family.
1440
01:16:01,811 --> 01:16:03,813
I thought I'd lost you, boy!
1441
01:16:03,813 --> 01:16:07,108
When I think about
all the films about Indiana Jones,
1442
01:16:07,108 --> 01:16:09,152
you can learn a lot watching those films,
1443
01:16:09,152 --> 01:16:15,658
but I think you can learn a whole lot
about a lot of things with Harrison Ford.
1444
01:16:15,658 --> 01:16:17,660
He can make fun of himself,
1445
01:16:17,660 --> 01:16:20,080
and while he's shooting the film,
1446
01:16:20,080 --> 01:16:24,000
he's able to see outside the scene
and make comments.
1447
01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:27,545
He reminded me once,
we were floating in the boat, and he said,
1448
01:16:27,545 --> 01:16:30,423
"Look, it's just a B-movie.
1449
01:16:30,423 --> 01:16:32,384
Don't sweat."
1450
01:16:32,384 --> 01:16:35,303
But he takes his role very seriously.
1451
01:16:35,303 --> 01:16:38,473
He has a lot of responsibility
being Indiana Jones.
1452
01:16:40,392 --> 01:16:41,935
I learned so much from him,
1453
01:16:41,935 --> 01:16:44,062
from a, kind of, craft point of view.
1454
01:16:44,062 --> 01:16:47,065
Working with someone like that,
you trust everything,
1455
01:16:47,065 --> 01:16:50,568
and you trust his process so much
'cause his standards are high,
1456
01:16:50,568 --> 01:16:52,112
and he wants it to feel real.
1457
01:16:52,112 --> 01:16:54,072
And I think his pursuit
of things feeling real,
1458
01:16:54,072 --> 01:16:56,324
no matter how fantastical they are,
1459
01:16:56,324 --> 01:16:58,827
is what gives him
that amazing grounded quality.
1460
01:16:59,452 --> 01:17:01,496
- Ready and action!
1461
01:17:05,458 --> 01:17:07,544
I love that he doesn't let up.
1462
01:17:07,544 --> 01:17:11,548
I will be driving my car to lunch
and my phone will ring,
1463
01:17:11,548 --> 01:17:14,342
"Did you see the last three TV spots?"
1464
01:17:14,342 --> 01:17:16,219
Oh, my God.
1465
01:17:16,219 --> 01:17:20,473
He's actually looking
at all the marketing material.
1466
01:17:20,473 --> 01:17:25,103
So, whether it's the early stages
of development,
1467
01:17:25,103 --> 01:17:28,857
or you're at the tail end,
he never lets up.
1468
01:17:29,441 --> 01:17:33,403
Sometimes it can make people crazy,
but I think he's a hundred percent right.
1469
01:17:34,446 --> 01:17:39,200
{\an8}I learned with Harrison that,
on set, everyone is the same.
1470
01:17:42,495 --> 01:17:43,705
Oh, okay.
1471
01:17:43,705 --> 01:17:47,876
Actors are the same than directors,
than technicians. We're all the same.
1472
01:17:47,876 --> 01:17:50,337
Harrison is friends with everyone on set.
1473
01:17:50,337 --> 01:17:53,506
There is no hierarchy.
We're like a family.
1474
01:17:54,799 --> 01:17:57,052
Harrison Ford taught me how to swim.
1475
01:17:57,052 --> 01:18:00,847
{\an8}I would always be by the pool
and watch Harrison.
1476
01:18:00,847 --> 01:18:03,975
And he says,
"Ke, come in the pool and have fun."
1477
01:18:03,975 --> 01:18:06,227
And I go,
"Harrison, I don't know how to swim.
1478
01:18:06,227 --> 01:18:08,605
I-- I-- I can't. I don't want--
I'm afraid of water."
1479
01:18:08,605 --> 01:18:11,066
And he said, "Oh, what?
Come here, get-- Come in here."
1480
01:18:11,066 --> 01:18:14,152
And he taught me how to swim.
He's my role model.
1481
01:18:14,944 --> 01:18:18,573
{\an8}It's incredible to be here at D23
and look out at all these fans.
1482
01:18:18,573 --> 01:18:21,659
{\an8} We were at D23
when Ke Huy Quan and Harrison
1483
01:18:21,659 --> 01:18:23,244
saw each other for the first time.
1484
01:18:23,244 --> 01:18:24,537
All of us actually.
1485
01:18:24,537 --> 01:18:27,665
It's been well over 35 years
since we saw Ke.
1486
01:18:27,665 --> 01:18:30,710
It's pretty wild
to see Ke now doing so well,
1487
01:18:30,710 --> 01:18:34,464
and just seeing how he grew as an actor.
1488
01:18:34,464 --> 01:18:37,342
It's pretty great to realize
that that started with Temple of Doom
1489
01:18:37,342 --> 01:18:38,718
and with Harrison.
1490
01:18:39,344 --> 01:18:42,722
The last time I saw him
was when our movie premiered.
1491
01:18:42,722 --> 01:18:44,015
It's been 38 years.
1492
01:18:44,015 --> 01:18:49,145
It made our reunion
at Disney's D23 so much better.
1493
01:18:50,647 --> 01:18:55,527
He's the same irrepressible
and enthusiastic guy that he ever was,
1494
01:18:55,527 --> 01:18:57,195
and that was great to see him.
1495
01:18:57,904 --> 01:18:59,114
Much taller now.
1496
01:18:59,656 --> 01:19:02,617
He's not Short Round.
He's Regular Round now.
1497
01:19:02,617 --> 01:19:06,496
I'm delighted for his success,
and I'm very happy for him.
1498
01:19:06,496 --> 01:19:09,249
Thank you so much for welcoming me back!
1499
01:19:09,249 --> 01:19:11,459
I love you.
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you!
1500
01:19:12,377 --> 01:19:17,799
To reunite with him in the same year
that I made my return to acting
1501
01:19:18,508 --> 01:19:19,968
made it even more special.
1502
01:19:19,968 --> 01:19:22,429
- Especially when he presented...
- And the Oscar goes to...
1503
01:19:22,429 --> 01:19:24,305
...the Oscar for Best Picture.
1504
01:19:24,305 --> 01:19:28,059
- ...Everything Everywhere All at Once.
1505
01:19:28,852 --> 01:19:32,689
I could not have asked
for a better night with Harrison there.
1506
01:19:32,689 --> 01:19:34,983
It was a full circle moment for me.
1507
01:19:39,779 --> 01:19:40,864
{\an8}I'm not done working,
1508
01:19:41,906 --> 01:19:43,992
{\an8}but I am done with Indiana Jones.
1509
01:19:45,076 --> 01:19:47,996
Harrison, as we see
in the last Indy film, he's still running.
1510
01:19:47,996 --> 01:19:49,622
He never stops running.
1511
01:19:49,622 --> 01:19:51,958
{\an8}They run their sheep on my ground,
1512
01:19:51,958 --> 01:19:55,128
{\an8}and then they attacked us
when we came up on 'em.
1513
01:19:55,128 --> 01:19:56,963
{\an8}Range war's already begun.
1514
01:19:56,963 --> 01:19:58,798
{\an8}I love now, too, that in Shrinking
1515
01:19:58,798 --> 01:20:01,426
{\an8}people get to see you
be so hilariously funny.
1516
01:20:03,511 --> 01:20:04,596
{\an8}What are you laugh--
1517
01:20:04,596 --> 01:20:09,642
{\an8}Seeing him in Shrinking,
he still can use that dryness of delivery.
1518
01:20:09,642 --> 01:20:13,480
It's now become so spare,
it's almost austere.
1519
01:20:13,480 --> 01:20:15,023
I am so parched.
1520
01:20:15,023 --> 01:20:16,524
What can we get you to drink?
1521
01:20:16,524 --> 01:20:17,692
A Popsicle?
1522
01:20:17,692 --> 01:20:19,694
And again, for me, it's the voice,
1523
01:20:19,694 --> 01:20:23,323
because for so long,
that voice was older than he was.
1524
01:20:23,323 --> 01:20:25,575
And now it's finally caught up with him.
1525
01:20:25,575 --> 01:20:27,202
It's like he's sort of grown up enough
1526
01:20:27,202 --> 01:20:30,205
that that voice belongs
in Harrison Ford's chest.
1527
01:20:30,705 --> 01:20:33,792
{\an8}You told me I had to tell Meg
that I had Parkinson's.
1528
01:20:33,792 --> 01:20:36,294
{\an8}And now she's flying down here tomorrow
1529
01:20:36,294 --> 01:20:39,047
{\an8}to take charge of my care.
1530
01:20:39,047 --> 01:20:40,340
{\an8} Harrison was cool.
1531
01:20:40,340 --> 01:20:43,718
{\an8}I always thought he would come on set
and be like, "I'm Harrison."
1532
01:20:43,718 --> 01:20:46,179
{\an8}Then everybody would be like, "Yeah."
But no. It was a good time.
1533
01:20:46,179 --> 01:20:49,516
{\an8}It was him creating this character
from the ground up,
1534
01:20:49,516 --> 01:20:51,226
{\an8}so that he would be different
1535
01:20:51,226 --> 01:20:53,728
{\an8}than the rest of those characters
and fit in this world,
1536
01:20:53,728 --> 01:20:56,648
instead of fitting in every other world
he, as an actor, has been in.
1537
01:20:56,648 --> 01:20:58,608
So that stuff was really unique.
1538
01:20:58,608 --> 01:21:00,860
I couldn't put a price on that lesson.
1539
01:21:01,695 --> 01:21:05,615
Harrison is still working.
I love to see him being given space,
1540
01:21:05,615 --> 01:21:08,410
taking advantage
of all these things at his age,
1541
01:21:08,410 --> 01:21:09,994
and just seeing him run with it.
1542
01:21:09,994 --> 01:21:12,247
It's maybe one of
the most wonderful things ever.
1543
01:21:22,173 --> 01:21:24,509
{\an8} Karen,
this is your last day over here.
1544
01:21:24,509 --> 01:21:28,054
Tell us a little bit-- What's going on
on set with it being your last day?
1545
01:21:28,054 --> 01:21:30,140
I'm not convinced that it is.
1546
01:21:30,140 --> 01:21:33,226
So, I don't-- I'm not--
As long as I'm not convinced that it is,
1547
01:21:33,226 --> 01:21:34,728
I don't have to, um...
1548
01:21:36,396 --> 01:21:39,399
I don't have to go through all that today.
1549
01:21:41,443 --> 01:21:42,861
Indiana Jones.
1550
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:48,491
If this is going to be
the last Indiana Jones movie ever made,
1551
01:21:49,492 --> 01:21:54,330
if it in fact is, then you can't do it
without bringing back Marion Ravenwood.
1552
01:21:57,834 --> 01:22:01,171
I always knew someday
you'd come through my door.
1553
01:22:02,547 --> 01:22:07,469
It's a story that both Harrison and I
have been involved in for 40 years.
1554
01:22:08,345 --> 01:22:09,429
Wait a minute.
1555
01:22:10,263 --> 01:22:11,639
Come here.
1556
01:22:12,557 --> 01:22:14,392
A little bossy, aren't you?
1557
01:22:14,392 --> 01:22:17,520
We both have a real sense
of who these people are,
1558
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:21,274
and we really like continuing
to explore these characters together.
1559
01:22:22,025 --> 01:22:23,360
Indiana Jones.
1560
01:22:24,152 --> 01:22:26,988
I feel happy that we're having
the opportunity to do that.
1561
01:22:27,697 --> 01:22:29,491
About time you showed up.
1562
01:22:29,491 --> 01:22:30,408
Mom!
1563
01:22:30,408 --> 01:22:35,205
She is the heat
that has tempered his personality.
1564
01:22:35,205 --> 01:22:36,915
You still leaving
a trail of human wreckage?
1565
01:22:36,915 --> 01:22:38,166
You looking for a date?
1566
01:22:39,167 --> 01:22:43,088
And to have her back
is such an emotional opportunity,
1567
01:22:43,088 --> 01:22:46,424
I think, for the character
and for the audience.
1568
01:22:52,514 --> 01:22:54,099
- How are you?
- Very good. How are you?
1569
01:22:54,099 --> 01:22:58,186
Of course, it's odd to take
an actress that capable and that awesome,
1570
01:22:58,186 --> 01:23:01,272
and hold her back until
the final five minutes of the picture.
1571
01:23:01,898 --> 01:23:04,484
And I'm sure weirder for her
stepping into a movie
1572
01:23:04,484 --> 01:23:06,152
where we've all been working for months
1573
01:23:06,152 --> 01:23:08,071
and been shooting
millions of feet of film.
1574
01:23:08,697 --> 01:23:11,533
I was very much
looking forward to coming here.
1575
01:23:11,533 --> 01:23:13,618
I came a few days on set,
1576
01:23:13,618 --> 01:23:16,454
and went up
and just watched some rehearsals.
1577
01:23:16,454 --> 01:23:20,125
And I have to say,
I was not for a moment disappointed.
1578
01:23:20,125 --> 01:23:21,584
Is he still the same?
1579
01:23:21,584 --> 01:23:24,212
Yes, of course.
1580
01:23:24,212 --> 01:23:27,632
I love the way he developed the character.
1581
01:23:27,632 --> 01:23:31,094
There is a, kind of,
wonderful weathering to Indiana Jones.
1582
01:23:31,094 --> 01:23:33,471
It's not the years,
it's the mileage, you know?
1583
01:23:33,471 --> 01:23:35,515
There's a lot more mileage on him.
1584
01:23:37,308 --> 01:23:40,395
Any excuse
to get back together with the two of them
1585
01:23:40,395 --> 01:23:42,188
could not be avoided.
1586
01:23:42,188 --> 01:23:43,231
Indy.
1587
01:23:43,231 --> 01:23:47,902
One of the joys of one's life
is watching a young actor, Harrison,
1588
01:23:47,902 --> 01:23:50,947
grow and establish himself
1589
01:23:50,947 --> 01:23:54,784
and just become stronger
and better over the years.
1590
01:23:54,784 --> 01:23:58,997
He's turned himself
into a real, great giant of the cinema.
1591
01:23:59,497 --> 01:24:01,833
That's been wonderful to behold.
1592
01:24:02,459 --> 01:24:04,127
Are you back, Indy?
1593
01:24:05,962 --> 01:24:08,715
They're wounded.
They're two wounded people,
1594
01:24:08,715 --> 01:24:11,509
and people grieve differently.
1595
01:24:12,344 --> 01:24:16,681
And they seem to have
found their way back to each other.
1596
01:24:18,224 --> 01:24:20,560
It was incredibly moving to watch.
1597
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:22,979
Harrison has so much gravitas.
1598
01:24:22,979 --> 01:24:24,856
And especially after this huge adventure,
1599
01:24:24,856 --> 01:24:26,733
and, suddenly,
we're just in his living room,
1600
01:24:26,733 --> 01:24:28,902
and he's basically in his pajamas.
1601
01:24:28,902 --> 01:24:30,862
And you just see the man,
1602
01:24:30,862 --> 01:24:35,283
and watching Harrison
play the rawest version of that character
1603
01:24:35,283 --> 01:24:36,618
was really extraordinary.
1604
01:24:37,202 --> 01:24:38,370
Everything hurts.
1605
01:24:38,995 --> 01:24:40,663
We all knew we didn't want him to die.
1606
01:24:40,663 --> 01:24:43,416
- You can't stay here.
- Yes, I can.
1607
01:24:44,417 --> 01:24:47,253
To me, it was much more about
1608
01:24:47,253 --> 01:24:51,257
him feeling out of step with the times,
or marginalized,
1609
01:24:51,883 --> 01:24:53,551
and then feeling important again.
1610
01:24:54,135 --> 01:24:59,557
Understanding he's important again,
that we all need heroes like him.
1611
01:25:01,101 --> 01:25:04,020
- The amazing, legendary,
1612
01:25:04,020 --> 01:25:08,858
dear friend, and forever Indiana Jones,
Mr. Harrison Ford.
1613
01:25:11,403 --> 01:25:14,406
This journey
of getting this final movie made,
1614
01:25:14,406 --> 01:25:15,949
it's been a process of letting go
1615
01:25:15,949 --> 01:25:18,868
that I think
he didn't really quite realize
1616
01:25:18,868 --> 01:25:21,621
was gonna affect him as deeply as it has.
1617
01:25:22,122 --> 01:25:24,457
This is a great, great crew.
1618
01:25:24,958 --> 01:25:28,044
And I'm almost
twice as old as everybody.
1619
01:25:30,922 --> 01:25:35,468
{\an8}Once every generation,
somebody emerges who, sort of,
1620
01:25:35,468 --> 01:25:38,680
{\an8}takes the mantle
of being a real movie star.
1621
01:25:38,680 --> 01:25:40,640
{\an8}And I think Harrison was one of those.
1622
01:25:40,640 --> 01:25:43,768
{\an8}I think that's why
he stood the test of time.
1623
01:25:43,768 --> 01:25:45,645
Hardest thing is to keep your hat on.
1624
01:25:47,188 --> 01:25:48,398
That should do it.
1625
01:25:48,398 --> 01:25:49,649
I love Harrison.
1626
01:25:49,649 --> 01:25:53,069
He's not only
a wonderful collaborator and artist,
1627
01:25:53,069 --> 01:25:54,487
but a dear friend.
1628
01:25:54,487 --> 01:25:58,867
And the reverence and genius
with which he looks at his job
1629
01:25:58,867 --> 01:26:01,536
should be so inspiring to all actors.
1630
01:26:01,536 --> 01:26:02,871
Right there, guys.
1631
01:26:03,413 --> 01:26:06,124
Well, I certainly grew
as a filmmaker through these films,
1632
01:26:06,124 --> 01:26:09,502
and watching Harrison work
was like a film course
1633
01:26:09,502 --> 01:26:12,380
that you could never get anywhere else
but being there.
1634
01:26:12,380 --> 01:26:13,757
Excuse me. How old are you?
1635
01:26:15,592 --> 01:26:17,385
I'm a lot younger than Harrison Ford.
1636
01:26:18,678 --> 01:26:21,598
The secret of being
an iconic actor is they'll refer to him
1637
01:26:21,598 --> 01:26:23,892
when they're referring
to a particular kind of actor.
1638
01:26:23,892 --> 01:26:27,729
So when they say, "Harrison Ford type,"
I guess that you've become an icon.
1639
01:26:27,729 --> 01:26:29,314
- Forty.
1640
01:26:29,314 --> 01:26:31,066
I'm only 38.
1641
01:26:32,525 --> 01:26:36,863
Indiana Jones would not exist
in people's hearts and imaginations
1642
01:26:36,863 --> 01:26:38,490
{\an8}without Harrison Ford playing him.
1643
01:26:38,490 --> 01:26:44,371
{\an8}Impossible. He's not interchangeable.
Other actors cannot fill those shoes.
1644
01:26:44,371 --> 01:26:47,457
And when Harrison stops making
Indiana Jones movies,
1645
01:26:48,166 --> 01:26:49,626
they need to retire the number.
1646
01:26:55,298 --> 01:26:56,841
This job is really fun.
1647
01:26:56,841 --> 01:26:59,094
- You just got me killed!
1648
01:27:06,851 --> 01:27:07,852
Wait a second.
1649
01:27:08,478 --> 01:27:10,480
- It's back.
1650
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:15,193
It's been an incredible finish.
You are all much valued.
1651
01:27:15,193 --> 01:27:16,611
Thank you.
1652
01:27:16,611 --> 01:27:19,406
- Thank you.
1653
01:27:19,406 --> 01:27:21,783
- Let's drink!
1654
01:27:21,783 --> 01:27:23,243
Cheers!
1655
01:27:23,993 --> 01:27:26,579
I have enjoyed
all of the different kinds of people,
1656
01:27:26,579 --> 01:27:28,832
and different opportunities that I've had.
1657
01:27:29,874 --> 01:27:34,212
And certainly amongst
the most enjoyable are these films...
1658
01:27:37,132 --> 01:27:38,717
which are really hard to make,
1659
01:27:39,217 --> 01:27:41,636
but a whole lot of fun to finish.
1660
01:27:43,722 --> 01:27:45,348
Only Harrison can play Indiana Jones.
1661
01:27:45,348 --> 01:27:48,560
There is no one else on this planet
that could come anywhere close,
1662
01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:52,313
and I think it's because...
...he is Indiana Jones.
1663
01:27:59,821 --> 01:28:01,114
- Hello.
- Hello.
1664
01:28:01,114 --> 01:28:02,407
- Hello.
- How are you?
1665
01:28:02,407 --> 01:28:04,367
I'm fine. How are you? Want some water?
1666
01:28:04,367 --> 01:28:05,452
Yeah, sure!
1667
01:28:11,750 --> 01:28:14,085
We should do this
about five times a day.
1668
01:28:14,085 --> 01:28:15,754
Give everybody squirt guns!
1669
01:28:21,051 --> 01:28:23,053
Hello.
1670
01:28:23,053 --> 01:28:25,013
Just resting.
1671
01:28:33,980 --> 01:28:37,067
They make me do the most awful things.
1672
01:28:39,110 --> 01:28:40,862
"Don't bug me,"
you're supposed to say.
1673
01:28:40,862 --> 01:28:42,364
- Don't bug me.
- Don't bug me.
1674
01:28:42,364 --> 01:28:44,366
- Did you put it on me? Get it away!
1675
01:28:45,367 --> 01:28:47,369
And lock--
1676
01:28:47,369 --> 01:28:48,536
Locked up!
1677
01:28:49,287 --> 01:28:50,705
- And...
- What?
1678
01:28:50,705 --> 01:28:53,750
What did he say?
Did you say something about me?
1679
01:28:53,750 --> 01:28:55,377
- Nah, you're fine.
1680
01:28:56,628 --> 01:28:58,380
How is Steven as a director?
1681
01:28:58,380 --> 01:29:02,050
Very funny. He's a generous man
and a noble director.
1682
01:29:02,634 --> 01:29:03,968
And he's very handsome too.
1683
01:29:09,766 --> 01:29:12,018
- Larry, Moe and Curly.
- Whoo! Whoo!
1684
01:29:17,273 --> 01:29:20,610
Okay, this is where
we make a hard turn left, to right.
1685
01:29:21,277 --> 01:29:23,113
This way. This way. Okay?
1686
01:29:24,614 --> 01:29:25,615
Good.
1687
01:29:28,034 --> 01:29:30,370
Popping him in there.
All right, that okay?
1688
01:29:30,370 --> 01:29:31,496
Yeah.
1689
01:29:31,496 --> 01:29:33,248
I was just-- That's acting.
1690
01:29:35,375 --> 01:29:38,461
Oh, this is the way I make my living.
This is what I do for a living.
1691
01:30:11,036 --> 01:30:13,288
- Anyway.
1692
01:30:13,288 --> 01:30:14,789
We'll see you around campus.
1693
01:30:15,373 --> 01:30:16,374
Thank you.