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[John] The old phrase,
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"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder,"
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is false. That is not true.
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There is, no doubt,
a correct-shaped human face,
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like there is with every other animal.
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You know, cows all look the same.
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Sheep all look the same.
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{\an8}Humans should all look the same,
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{\an8}but they don't.
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{\an8}They vary hugely.
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{\an8}And sometimes
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{\an8}the shape of the face is appealing,
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and sometimes, shall we say, less so.
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What worries me is the fact
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that most people are severely deformed.
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It's a terrible thing to say,
but it's really true.
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[upbeat music]
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Everybody is programmed
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to have the same type of face.
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[man] Have you ever
taken a boat ride or a raft?
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Yeah.
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[John] But the development
of our face has gone wrong.
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{\an8}[woman] Pump, pump, pump.
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{\an8}[John] We are no longer very beautiful.
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What was the worst part of the treatment?
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[John] My job is to create
beautiful faces.
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And anything you can do
to make the face better
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is the right thing.
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Was it as bad as you thought it would be?
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I thought the treatment
would be a lot worse.
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[John] People say, "John,
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you create the best faces in the world."
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- Seashells on the...
- Seashore.
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- Brother.
- Brother.
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The problem is,
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I'm too far ahead of everybody else.
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[thunder rumbling]
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{\an8}[whirring]
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[Mike] Okay, now get the head back.
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Open nice and wide.
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Open a bit wider.
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Okay, cool. And then bite together.
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{\an8}I actually stopped talking
about what I did
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{\an8}at dinner parties,
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{\an8}because I'd go to a dinner party.
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The normal thing happens.
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Everyone says, "Oh, what do you do?"
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And I go, "I'm--I'm-- I'm an orthodontist,
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but one of the most controversial."
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[soft music]
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I spent my entire life
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with this knowledge in my brain
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that no one else seems to see.
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You know, look at the car crash,
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the slow motion car crash
that's happened to you.
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Do you not see it?
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Modern orthodontics,
particularly fixed braces,
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you're not affecting
the cause of the problem.
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Actually, often,
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you're making the underlying
situation worse.
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People don't like to change.
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We're comfortable in the skin we're in.
And I need to get people to change.
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At this point,
if you remember from last time,
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I always make them
look a little bit jaw-y.
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So the jaw, physically,
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should be slightly
further ahead of the top jaw.
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'Cause this area here,
as he starts building his muscles up,
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he's gonna lift this jaw up,
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and this area is gonna go...
[blows raspberry]
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Out like that. Kay?
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So if we get him here, up like that,
and we achieve that
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in a sort of more harmonious structure,
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well, he'll have had,
I believe, to my knowledge,
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one of the best facial
outcomes yet achieved.
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I've got this ability, I know,
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to transform lives immensely,
beyond reason.
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[camera shutter snaps]
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Children that look like this
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don't have the same lives,
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either health-wise
or integrating with society
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and their peers, as people like this.
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It has been really, really hard work.
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But we've only just got going.
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- [Mike] Monday.
- [man] Monday.
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- Tuesday.
- Tuesday.
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- Wednesday.
- Wednesday.
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[Mike] Now I start to need to change you.
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Now, we change you with an appliance
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that's got fangs on it like this, okay?
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If she drops her jaw down,
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the appliance engages
underneath the mandible,
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and that will remind her
to keep her mouth closed,
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building up this Pavlovian
feedback response.
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And that's what we want.
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Life is full of surprises.
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The fact that the internet got me famous
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is one of those things, I guess.
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This term mewing, the whole mewing thing
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has been an absolute gift to me.
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It's a godsend. It's named after me.
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{\an8}My surname has become a verb now.
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{\an8}It's a massively used term.
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Someone pointed out to me recently
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that the hashtag #mewing has been seen
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over a billion times on TikTok.
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That blows me away.
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I stagger. How am I in this place?
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I mean, how did I get here?
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[vocalizing]
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[Mike clears throat] Right.
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I'm gonna kind of stick
my legs out there a little.
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Well, get your feet in.
You could pull the chair.
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Well, I think they've now set up on us.
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- So the last--
- Are our heads close enough together?
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I have abs-- I'm sure they'll give us
some instructions.
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They will.
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You look to be
quite a way away, that's all.
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Yeah. Well, I'm waiting for instruction.
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- So...
- Right.
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I really think it's gonna be
a nice, sunny day today.
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[woman] Excuse me.
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Don't feel shy about--
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- [woman] May we begin?
- Yes.
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[woman] So what's it like
to be a father/son team?
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I'd never thought about it.
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- What do you--
- I don't see myself as a team.
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I see myself as a chap
who likes orthodontics
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with a son who's interested
in orthodontics.
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Yeah. Yes, you see, you are an individual.
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- Oh.
- Yeah.
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You're not the best
team player in the world.
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- Well, probably not.
- No, no.
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I don't think we work together.
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There we go.
I think that about sums it up.
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- Well, no.
- I've been trying for years
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to get him to work with me,
but he does his own thing.
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I've never-- Don't think
I've ever had a different thought.
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At the age of 16,
I had a little black book,
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{\an8}only about that big.
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{\an8}♪Whenever I had significant thoughts,
I would note them down.
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And so I spent most of my life puzzling
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on the reason for this or that or center.
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I was not a good student.
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I regularly failed my exams.
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And I really don't think
I'm at all clever.
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Quite stupid, in fact.
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But interestingly, I had this ability to--
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I think they call it lateral thinking.
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Therefore, I was always
coming up with ideas
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which were entirely different
than everyone else's.
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Traditional truths are not always correct.
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I think I see myself as a rebel.
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Once you've come up with the answer,
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you know it's right.
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And of course, that's my problem now.
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I know I'm right.
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The orthodontists are
absolutely sure I'm wrong.
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[man] Could you sit up a little for me?
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Oh, so sorry, yes.
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- I keep slithering down.
- [man] No, no, not at all.
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I'm-- Remember my age, son.
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[John] A delicate subject
to talk about other people,
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particularly about their faces.
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So one does need to tread carefully.
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But if you walk down the street,
you'll find a huge number of people
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who just have flat faces.
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Now, most people think,
"Well, I've just got a flat face."
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But there's a reason for that.
There's a reason for everything.
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I spent most of my life
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studying faces.
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I decided I wanted to be a dentist
way back, before I was ten.
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My father, he was an orthodontist,
so obviously enjoyed it,
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that it seemed natural
for me to do the same thing.
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I started off
very much part of the establishment.
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But I was unhappy with the effect
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of orthodontic treatment on youngsters.
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They were purely mechanical cures.
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They would say, "Look,
these teeth are all there.
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We'll fix it."
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And the dentists found that if they fitted
a plate with bits of wire on it,
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they could line the teeth up.
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Fix the palate, see.
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See, my belief are
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they're doing more harm than good.
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The whole orthodontic scene is a scandal.
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Most orthodontic treatment flattens faces.
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In reality, it pulls them back,
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which is the exact opposite
of what you want.
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It's a bit like taking a cardboard box.
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If you push it in,
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it kinks and cracks and twists.
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Well, the face is just the same.
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If it's pushed back at one end,
it kinks like this.
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It's better to try and lodge the jaws
to take the whole lot forward,
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which also provides room for the teeth.
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My dear wife, Jo, and I
were treated traditionally.
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We both have narrow faces
and crowded teeth.
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I really wanted to bring my children up
without traditional orthodontic methods.
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And so I thought I'd design
an appliance to do that.
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I don't know if you've done much,
what they say, "DIY,"
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do it yourself, but it's very convenient
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to be able to experiment on your children.
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Most people do it socially,
but I also did it medically.
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{\an8}William, my older one,
I was just forming these ideas.
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{\an8}It wasn't effective, and as a result,
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{\an8}has never had good facial development.
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{\an8}But Michael was the next one in line.
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{\an8}You can see that his face
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{\an8}is totally different from mine.
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{\an8}It was mainly that
I was just clever about him.
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{\an8}-And Rosarie...
- Hey.
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{\an8}His younger sister,
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{\an8}I think even cleverer still, you know.
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You do get a bit better in life with luck.
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As the eldest, I was the first guinea pig.
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And therefore, some of
the contraptions I wore
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were possibly a little bit more crude.
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{\an8}I remember Bill being
taped up to this headgear
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that an alarm used to go off
if his mouth fell open.
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Well, initially, they hadn't
got the alarm quite right,
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so before he reali--
there was something underneath
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with a sharp object there.
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[laughter]
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If my jaw dropped, it would be--
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I would describe it as uncomfortable.
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(if he learns to keep his mouth shut)
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{\an8}Poor William.
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He wore that very well
and never complained.
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None of them complained.
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[Bill]
We were fair game for experimentation.
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[Rosie]
Oh, I'm sure that he'd be done now,
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for the amount of experimenting
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that he did on us.
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One of his experiments was to see
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what would happen to facial development
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if someone didn't chew.
So if someone just swallowed
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and just did, like, baby food
for the first three years--
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two, maybe three years.
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Let's be generous.
There was only two and half years.
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Pretending it was breastfeeding,
as if you were breastfeeding.
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Yes.
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[John] We used to breastfeed children
for two to three years.
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We now do it for less than six months.
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It is one of the biggest lifestyle changes
that we've made in the human race.
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And I'm sure it's the main reason
why there are so many ugly people around.
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Everyone would have their Sunday dinner,
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and mine would have gone
through the Magimix.
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And I'd be given this bottle,
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and I just thought
it was completely normal
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that I had, as Dad always talks about,
one of the largest malocclusions ever.
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- Yes.
- Because I had
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- It was a disaster.
- this tiny, tiny little jaw
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because I hadn't chewed.
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So he wrote lots of research papers.
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And I think my mother, I was about three,
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and sort of said,
"Right, we're going to start
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giving her ordinary food now.
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So then he was very excited.
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But then he started putting a brace in me.
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And he created the largest expansion
that he'd ever done on anyone before,
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because I went from this very,
very crowded malocclused...
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- Is that the right word?
- Malocclusion, yeah.
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...place to quite a big jaw,
as I have now, so...
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[woman] So he created the problem and--
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- Well, he didn't mean
- And then fixed it.
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- to create the problem.
- [laughing]
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[John] My daughter, Rosarie,
has a very good-looking face.
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I mean, she's--
I hate to think how old now.
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She must be in her late 50s.
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No, she'd probably be horrified.
No, I think, late 40s, perhaps.
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Not very good on ages.
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Anyway, but she's got
lovely bone formation.
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I experimented on my children,
and it worked.
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I'm sure I should be put
in prison for that.
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The human, when brought up naturally,
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has no dental problems.
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If a parent asks me,
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"John, what's the best way I can do
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to look after my children
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and make sure
that they grow up correctly?"
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I will say this simply.
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"Sell your house,
buy a cave in the top of a mountain,
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and don't cook any of your food,"
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and I think that's
a very good prescription.
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[light percussive music]
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[Dr. Simon]
John has created an island for himself.
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{\an8}And in that island, I think I'm there.
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{\an8}I think Mike's there.
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{\an8}And it gets a bit hazy after that.
[laughs]
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My journey to orthotropics
has not been a straight line.
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I was studying conventional orthodontics,
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and I came across John's philosophy.
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I have been trained through John,
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and I follow John's technique
very closely.
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One of the things that he answered for me
was why there is malocclusion,
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which is when the teeth
end up out of alignment
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and they grow crooked.
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Human beings, we've always had jaws
and teeth that are fairly evenly balanced
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and fairly straight.
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In the last 300 years,
that has really shifted.
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[soft music]
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We live in a world today
where no one has straight teeth.
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And so how do we go from
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tens and tens and tens
of thousands of years
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where everything was perfect
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to one where every kid needs
some form of braces
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to get the teeth straight?
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We're taught that genetics
plays the primary role
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in jaw development,
and John's thought was,
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it's not possible
for genetics to be so precise,
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for everything to line up perfectly
without any environmental influence.
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- [Angela] Have you got fingerprint?
- [Moira] No.
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I've just got the facial recognition.
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Look at the phone. Nothing's happening.
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[Moira] Put it close to your face.
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Did it open?
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No, it doesn't recognize me.
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But I bet you get voice recognition.
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- See, it opened.
- Yeah, that's interesting.
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Yeah, see, he's altered her jaw,
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so I now can't get into her phone.
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[laughs]
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Yeah.
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I didn't know it wasn't
traditional, you know, orthodontistry.
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I thought I was getting
orthodontic treatment.
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I had no idea that...
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that I was one of the first people
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that he was going to try
this procedure on.
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[soft music]
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We grew up on a farm.
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His surgery was a long way,
and it was down country lanes.
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We had a working class background.
He was a private dentist.
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So he was a different strata to us.
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We were always the twinnies, the twins.
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She's twinny, I'm twinny.
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{\an8}We're absolutely identical.
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{\an8}Not so much now,
but we used to be totally identical,
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couldn't tell us apart.
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- I mean, we were just...
- Joined at the hip.
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- Yes.
- Apart from the teeth.
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[Moira]
I was really conscious of my teeth.
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We both sucked our finger and thumb
from when we were little girls
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until probably early teens.
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[Angela] Like that.
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[Moira] I had, you know, an overbite.
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I remember being teased on the bus,
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and, you know, I used to get called Lucky
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'cause I had this big gap
in the middle of my teeth.
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I used to be able to get a penny in.
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So I never used to smile much,
and I was very conscious of my mouth.
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- But you did smile, but you did this.
- All the time.
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Like, I would always be like this
in the photographs.
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We used to babysit for Dr. Mew,
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and I can't remember how it came up
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that he wanted to do
a treatment on my teeth.
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Well, he only took one look at you
and realized you needed something doing.
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Thank you. Yes, anyway.
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You would have been a perfect patient,
of course, 'cause you had a control.
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Exactly, you're my control,
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which is probably why
we got the free dentistry.
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- Yeah.
- Mm-hmm.
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[woman] That's exactly why.
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- That is why?
- [woman] Mm-hmm.
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- [gasps] You owe it all to me, Moi.
- Ha, there you go.
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[laughing]
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[light music]
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[John] When you want to do good research,
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no doubt, twins is the best way.
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If you take a pair of twins and treat one
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with one method
and one with another method,
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you're going to get a very clear message,
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because when you're treating twins,
they're both the same.
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{\an8}[Moira] I had an appliance.
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And it was called the Biobloc.
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It was like a medieval torture instrument.
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[soft tense music]
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And I had to sleep with my bottom teeth
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pulled out to almost
in front of my top teeth,
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which isn't pleasant.
But I had great confidence in him
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because he was so confident.
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And I would do whatever it took
to finish that treatment,
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which is what I did.
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My mouth did change.
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I mean, the gap in the front of my teeth
wasn't there anymore.
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I felt far more confident about smiling.
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So it was wonderful for me.
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You know, it was the best thing
I could ever have done.
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I'd probably still be living
at Heart Lake farm
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if I hadn't had it done,
married with five children.
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[chuckles]
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[John] Okay, stop.
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{\an8}They became the first
of a series of six twins
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{\an8}who had had different treatment.
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Elise, the twin
on the right in this picture
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who does not need treatment,
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has a larger and more pragmatic face.
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Probably because of this,
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her face looks more mature
than that of her sister.
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Because I really wanted
to know the truth myself.
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I didn't know if orthotropics
was better or worse.
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I could then compare them,
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and I was flabbergasted.
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I said, "Eureka! That's obviously it."
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And that was when I really produced
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the label "orthotropics,"
which means correct growth.
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[soft music]
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All plants are guided by tropisms,
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where they will grow towards the light.
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So growth is a tropism.
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Plants grow, and in a way, so do faces.
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[Dr. Simon] What orthotropics is about
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is redirecting the course of growth.
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It's very easy to start,
terribly difficult to finish.
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Initially, you're making room for teeth.
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It's a very spectacular,
very appealing period.
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The next phase of orthotropics
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is where we develop the individual jaws
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to be the incorrect shape.
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And what tends to happen
is parents then say,
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"This doctor has no idea
what they're doing,
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and it is infinitely worse
than when we first started."
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And then they will take them
to find a second opinion.
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And they will say, "What has this man,
what has this woman done to your child?
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They've wrecked your child."
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The problem with orthotropics
is it looks good,
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then it looks terrible,
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and that lasts four years.
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And then finally at the end of it,
it looks great.
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Right, I let people know,
"This is a double black diamond."
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If we travel here, you have to trust,
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in the end, you'll end up
in a fantastic place.
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[light music]
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We are training children
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to work at a level
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{\an8}which is beyond what
we would normally expect.
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{\an8}[John] Come take a seat.
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{\an8}[Dr. Simon]
The level of physical discipline
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{\an8}requires a commitment
that is not common today.
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You have to train not only the children,
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but their guardians, the parents.
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Why was it you came
for treatment, actually?
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Because I felt that recently,
Lisa's lower jaw was receding more.
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{\an8}[Dr. Simon] We are talking
specifically about posture.
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{\an8}You cannot develop straight teeth
if you have bad oral posture.
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How much do you hope
that this can be improved?
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Well, I hope that her jawline
would look more normal
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and that cosmetically
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it would improve the outline
of her face and her jaw.
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In orthotropics, we have appliances
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that have a penalty nature to them.
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[John]
This is your stage three appliance, Lisa,
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and it's intended that it will be sore
if you drop the jaw down.
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[Dr. Simon]
When John developed orthotropics,
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he developed it in a world
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where there were physical penalties
and punishments
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when you didn't behave.
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You know, I was smacked as a child.
I was smacked at school.
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Six, seven, eight, nine, ten.
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[John]
That's very good, indeed. Well done.
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[Dr. Simon]
One of the things about human beings
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is physical reminders trump
verbal nagging.
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And that's how we change habits.
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Those years that I went through treatment,
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from the age, I think,
eight or nine through to 12.
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And my brother had to go down
the traditional route
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as a control.
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And obviously, for John Mew,
the ability then to do that comparison,
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compare and contrast.
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The experience I had, it was quite brutal.
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When I look back at it, I look back
and think it was just natural.
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It was just part
of what I was going through.
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{\an8}And everybody else was going through it,
if they have orthodontistry.
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{\an8}But I now know that wasn't the case.
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{\an8}[laughs] So...
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Yeah, we as children
didn't really question why.
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If he convinces the parent
that this is the right thing,
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then the parents can be the overseer
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and govern that the child does
what they're supposed to do,
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um, which is kind of what happened.
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- [woman] Your mom was overseeing?
- Yeah. Yeah.
497
00:26:01,851 --> 00:26:03,186
[Benjamin] She was supervising,
wasn't she?
498
00:26:03,186 --> 00:26:05,397
[indistinct murmuring]
499
00:26:05,397 --> 00:26:06,940
[woman]
Oh, you'd like to-- That's wonderful.
500
00:26:06,940 --> 00:26:08,984
We're talking about parents and children.
501
00:26:08,984 --> 00:26:10,819
Come on in. We'll figure it out.
502
00:26:10,819 --> 00:26:12,612
- [man] Yeah.
- What do you want to say?
503
00:26:12,612 --> 00:26:14,823
- [woman] Thank you for joining us.
- [laughs]
504
00:26:14,823 --> 00:26:16,992
[woman] I know this may seem--
505
00:26:16,992 --> 00:26:18,785
Do you want to sit here?
506
00:26:18,785 --> 00:26:21,037
- [Leo] I could sit on the--
- [woman] Is that okay?
507
00:26:21,037 --> 00:26:22,539
[indistinct chatter]
508
00:26:22,539 --> 00:26:25,583
{\an8}Yeah, yeah. No, that's it. Just...
509
00:26:25,583 --> 00:26:30,171
{\an8}- Why don't you sit here?
- I just wanted to mention
510
00:26:30,171 --> 00:26:33,717
when you were talking about
the responsibility with the parents,
511
00:26:33,717 --> 00:26:38,388
um, it came to the stage
where Quentin's teeth
512
00:26:38,388 --> 00:26:43,268
were so far out and his jaw so far back,
513
00:26:43,268 --> 00:26:45,562
he couldn't possibly
have been left like that.
514
00:26:45,562 --> 00:26:49,232
I had horrors that John Mew
would drop down dead
515
00:26:49,232 --> 00:26:51,735
and he'd be like, "Ah, ah, ah."
516
00:26:51,735 --> 00:26:55,363
Yeah, so I couldn't really say,
517
00:26:55,363 --> 00:26:58,700
you know, "This is too much,"
because we were in it too deep.
518
00:26:58,700 --> 00:27:01,995
But it was quite scary. It really was.
519
00:27:01,995 --> 00:27:04,748
- [Quentin laughing]
- Ooh. Yeah.
520
00:27:04,748 --> 00:27:06,791
So really, you're very lucky.
521
00:27:06,791 --> 00:27:08,793
Well, it could have all gone
horribly wrong.
522
00:27:08,793 --> 00:27:09,919
- Yeah.
- Yeah, true.
523
00:27:09,919 --> 00:27:12,547
Could have been left with just the top.
524
00:27:12,547 --> 00:27:14,215
[laughs]
525
00:27:14,215 --> 00:27:15,800
What's happened to their faces?
526
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:17,552
Well, you can see that Ben's face
527
00:27:17,552 --> 00:27:20,513
is slightly flatter and slightly longer,
528
00:27:20,513 --> 00:27:23,141
whereas Quentin has more forward growth,
529
00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:26,478
which I think perhaps gives
him a slightly better profile.
530
00:27:26,478 --> 00:27:28,730
[woman]
Twin studies, does that ring a bell?
531
00:27:28,730 --> 00:27:34,235
{\an8}John Mew actually doing a study on twins
doesn't exist.
532
00:27:34,235 --> 00:27:36,571
{\an8}[woman] He worked with six sets of twins.
533
00:27:36,571 --> 00:27:40,283
Yes? Six sets of twins or six--
534
00:27:40,283 --> 00:27:41,826
Yes, that's 12 people.
535
00:27:41,826 --> 00:27:47,415
Twelve patients does not
a study make, ever.
536
00:27:47,415 --> 00:27:49,751
[soft music]
537
00:27:49,751 --> 00:27:54,589
I used to be an academic orthodontist,
and I started my career in London,
538
00:27:54,589 --> 00:27:56,674
which is actually where I met John Mew.
539
00:27:56,674 --> 00:28:00,136
I've known John Mew since the '60s.
540
00:28:00,136 --> 00:28:02,806
My first interaction with Dr. Mew--
541
00:28:02,806 --> 00:28:05,725
why do I call him Dr. Mew? Mr. Mew--
542
00:28:05,725 --> 00:28:09,229
was when I was at the London
Hospital Medical School.
543
00:28:09,229 --> 00:28:11,398
I was in charge
of the orthodontic department.
544
00:28:14,442 --> 00:28:17,362
And one of my jobs
was to evaluate submissions
545
00:28:17,362 --> 00:28:19,989
for an essay competition.
546
00:28:19,989 --> 00:28:22,617
Mew put in his submission.
547
00:28:22,617 --> 00:28:27,163
It was just as bad as everything else
he's written since.
548
00:28:27,163 --> 00:28:30,291
Uh, fanciful, no science, no nothing.
549
00:28:33,420 --> 00:28:36,047
I remember it
because it was a curious submission.
550
00:28:36,047 --> 00:28:40,552
It had two illustrations,
and there were two fish tanks
551
00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:43,471
with a bunch of trout in one of them
552
00:28:43,471 --> 00:28:46,558
and no trout in the other, okay?
553
00:28:46,558 --> 00:28:50,728
And the caption had something
to do with the fact that,
554
00:28:50,728 --> 00:28:56,359
please observe how the trout's
snout anatomy changed
555
00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:59,779
because they were pressing
their face against the glass
556
00:28:59,779 --> 00:29:01,406
of the fish tank.
557
00:29:01,406 --> 00:29:03,867
And so that was his argument,
558
00:29:03,867 --> 00:29:08,288
which I had to reject,
because it had no science in it.
559
00:29:08,288 --> 00:29:10,290
So the next thing I know
is he telephoned me
560
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:13,418
and wanted to come and see me
at the London Hospital.
561
00:29:13,418 --> 00:29:19,215
And he accused me
of suppressing his reality and his truth
562
00:29:19,215 --> 00:29:23,011
because I disagreed with his premises.
563
00:29:23,011 --> 00:29:26,139
I said, I don't disagree
with your premise.
564
00:29:26,139 --> 00:29:28,850
I just disagree with crappy science.
565
00:29:28,850 --> 00:29:34,189
I don't care who you are, you know?
He didn't like to hear that either.
566
00:29:34,189 --> 00:29:36,107
[light music]
567
00:29:42,530 --> 00:29:47,535
[John] It's never easy to change
people's ideas, so I tried.
568
00:29:47,535 --> 00:29:50,038
I wrote papers. I gave meetings.
569
00:29:50,038 --> 00:29:53,583
I gave lectures.
I had long chats with people.
570
00:29:53,583 --> 00:29:56,961
I'd pull people into a corner
and browbeat them.
571
00:29:56,961 --> 00:29:59,339
You know, the usual things.
572
00:29:59,339 --> 00:30:02,509
I was just hoping to reason with people
573
00:30:02,509 --> 00:30:05,845
and they'd see the truth
or the light, as I might say.
574
00:30:05,845 --> 00:30:10,809
[dramatic music]
575
00:30:10,809 --> 00:30:12,685
[reporter] It's what every parent
wants for their child,
576
00:30:12,685 --> 00:30:14,812
a perfect smile.
577
00:30:14,812 --> 00:30:17,690
But does that smile mask a hidden danger?
578
00:30:21,152 --> 00:30:22,821
[John] I didn't push it
579
00:30:22,821 --> 00:30:26,407
until a program called Dispatches.
580
00:30:28,159 --> 00:30:29,702
[tense music]
581
00:30:29,702 --> 00:30:31,955
If my views were accepted,
582
00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:34,958
orthodontics would
have to change dramatically.
583
00:30:34,958 --> 00:30:39,254
And indeed, many people would either
have to change the way they worked
584
00:30:39,254 --> 00:30:41,589
or give up doing orthodontics.
585
00:30:43,925 --> 00:30:48,263
But there's a clear comparison between us
as twins in favor
586
00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:50,431
of the orthodontistry method
of Dr. Mew's, right?
587
00:30:50,431 --> 00:30:51,808
[interviewer]
And how do you feel about that?
588
00:30:51,808 --> 00:30:55,395
In hindsight, I would have preferred
to gone with Mr. Mew's method.
589
00:30:55,395 --> 00:30:58,439
That was on national television.
590
00:30:58,439 --> 00:31:01,693
And the next day, every single one
591
00:31:01,693 --> 00:31:04,946
of the English national dailies
592
00:31:04,946 --> 00:31:09,909
had half or full-page articles
on what I'd said.
593
00:31:09,909 --> 00:31:15,748
The orthodontists all thought
that I behaved absolutely appallingly.
594
00:31:15,748 --> 00:31:19,377
Essentially, I had been
a traitor to the cause.
595
00:31:20,628 --> 00:31:23,256
And they said,
"You'll shatter people's faith
596
00:31:23,256 --> 00:31:26,134
and make them think
orthodontics is no good,"
597
00:31:26,134 --> 00:31:29,262
which, in a way, was what I was trying
to tell them anyway.
598
00:31:29,262 --> 00:31:30,972
From then on,
599
00:31:30,972 --> 00:31:34,434
I was always in conflict
with orthodontics.
600
00:31:34,434 --> 00:31:37,604
There was really no option, was there?
601
00:31:41,399 --> 00:31:44,861
A leading London dentist claims
current orthodontic methods
602
00:31:44,861 --> 00:31:47,906
sometimes straighten the teeth,
but they then ruin the face.
603
00:31:47,906 --> 00:31:51,284
That's at the center of a bitter row
in the world of orthodontics.
604
00:31:51,284 --> 00:31:54,287
[man] Can you see the two
sharp spikes on that plate?
605
00:31:54,287 --> 00:31:56,581
Well, I got very angry. I looked at it.
606
00:31:56,581 --> 00:32:00,126
I could not believe someone
could put that in a child's mouth.
607
00:32:00,126 --> 00:32:03,046
I'm accusing all the people
who treat your way
608
00:32:03,046 --> 00:32:06,424
of ripping off the parents.
And it's child abuse.
609
00:32:06,424 --> 00:32:10,720
I provide them appliance
which is designed to hurt
610
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,472
if the child drops their jaw.
611
00:32:12,472 --> 00:32:16,267
You might call that child abuse.
I would call it training.
612
00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:17,226
That's crap.
613
00:32:19,354 --> 00:32:23,566
The establishment were initially hoping
that when he reached
614
00:32:23,566 --> 00:32:28,321
sort of the age of 60 or something,
he would either retire or sort of mellow.
615
00:32:28,321 --> 00:32:30,782
Um, if anything,
the opposite has happened.
616
00:32:30,782 --> 00:32:34,869
He was still poking the beast
year after year after year.
617
00:32:34,869 --> 00:32:37,830
I've even been threatened
with assault at meetings.
618
00:32:37,830 --> 00:32:41,626
People hate me with a depth
that's really quite surprising.
619
00:32:42,460 --> 00:32:45,964
I even went to the length
of marching up and down
620
00:32:45,964 --> 00:32:52,595
the principal medical area in London
with a big sandwich board
621
00:32:52,595 --> 00:32:56,391
saying what I thought about orthodontics.
622
00:32:56,391 --> 00:32:58,434
It was words to the effect
623
00:32:58,434 --> 00:33:03,314
that orthodontics damages faces,
which is true.
624
00:33:07,402 --> 00:33:12,782
[man] On the cover of your book,
you have the Galileo quote.
625
00:33:12,782 --> 00:33:15,660
[John] Oh, yeah, "Eppur si muove."
626
00:33:15,660 --> 00:33:19,414
Galileo said that in a loud whisper...
627
00:33:19,414 --> 00:33:22,166
[dramatic choral music]
628
00:33:22,166 --> 00:33:24,794
...as he turned his back on the Pope.
629
00:33:24,794 --> 00:33:27,338
And he very nearly lost his life for that.
630
00:33:27,338 --> 00:33:31,467
Essentially, he was talking
about the world and the sun.
631
00:33:31,467 --> 00:33:33,845
He was saying the world moves.
632
00:33:33,845 --> 00:33:37,598
And I put the same phrase
in relation to the jaws.
633
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:45,523
Of course, the orthodontists
didn't quite see that.
634
00:33:45,523 --> 00:33:50,945
They saw it that I was treating patients
in an improper way.
635
00:33:50,945 --> 00:33:55,366
So the orthodontists approached
the General Dental Council,
636
00:33:55,366 --> 00:34:00,371
the authority which grants
licenses in England,
637
00:34:00,371 --> 00:34:02,874
and said, "Look, this man's
doing the wrong thing.
638
00:34:02,874 --> 00:34:04,667
We've got to stop him."
639
00:34:04,667 --> 00:34:06,502
So three years ago,
640
00:34:06,502 --> 00:34:10,423
I had my license
to practice dentistry removed.
641
00:34:12,216 --> 00:34:14,427
[man] They really felt
they needed to strike him off
642
00:34:14,427 --> 00:34:17,013
in order to try and besmirch him.
643
00:34:17,013 --> 00:34:20,099
But I think possibly
the biggest shock in store
644
00:34:20,099 --> 00:34:22,852
was that there simply wasn't just one Mew.
645
00:34:22,852 --> 00:34:25,396
There's--there's another one
following in his footsteps.
646
00:34:32,737 --> 00:34:33,905
[woman] Mike, specifically,
647
00:34:33,905 --> 00:34:36,741
has taken over the family business.
648
00:34:36,741 --> 00:34:38,326
- The mantle.
- The mantle.
649
00:34:38,326 --> 00:34:39,368
The mantle, as Mom would say.
650
00:34:39,368 --> 00:34:41,954
I would say--I would say
the sort of noose around the neck.
651
00:34:41,954 --> 00:34:44,457
[laughter]
652
00:34:44,457 --> 00:34:46,959
- [woman] I love that.
- He's taken on that big challenge.
653
00:34:46,959 --> 00:34:50,797
[soft music]
654
00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:54,759
[Mike] You know, you used to have,
the plowman would do what his father did.
655
00:34:54,759 --> 00:34:57,136
You know, the plowman's son
would become a plowman.
656
00:34:57,136 --> 00:34:59,305
And that became your universe.
657
00:34:59,305 --> 00:35:03,101
And in a way, what my father
did became my universe.
658
00:35:03,101 --> 00:35:05,228
And it was at a very young age,
659
00:35:05,228 --> 00:35:06,979
I decided I was gonna do this.
660
00:35:08,856 --> 00:35:11,901
Michael turned to me and said, "Rosie,
661
00:35:11,901 --> 00:35:14,487
I think I might slowly
be turning into Dad."
662
00:35:14,487 --> 00:35:17,782
And I said, "What do you mean,
'turning into'?
663
00:35:17,782 --> 00:35:20,159
You've been there
for about ten years already."
664
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:21,577
- There's been a Mini-Me.
- Mini-Me.
665
00:35:21,577 --> 00:35:23,955
[Bill] There's been a Mini-Me
following in Dad's footsteps.
666
00:35:26,207 --> 00:35:29,585
He's not your average father.
667
00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:32,463
[solemn music]
668
00:35:32,463 --> 00:35:34,882
Few people have fathers like I do.
669
00:35:34,882 --> 00:35:39,470
You know, he is just a--
you know, he's an inspiration.
670
00:35:39,470 --> 00:35:42,431
[indistinct chatter]
671
00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:45,601
Bye.
672
00:35:48,688 --> 00:35:52,483
[Mike] Seeing my father being
attacked and criticized
673
00:35:52,483 --> 00:35:56,863
has been one of the things
that's driven me forwards.
674
00:35:56,863 --> 00:36:00,825
It just makes your blood boil...
675
00:36:02,994 --> 00:36:07,123
'cause I've seen my father
just be destroyed.
676
00:36:07,123 --> 00:36:10,543
Reverse, reverse, reverse.
Full throttle. Full throttle.
677
00:36:11,836 --> 00:36:15,047
{\an8}[John speaking]
678
00:36:15,047 --> 00:36:18,509
I didn't think that
I could study orthodontics
679
00:36:18,509 --> 00:36:20,469
in the UK because
680
00:36:20,469 --> 00:36:23,139
everyone so vehemently disagrees
with my father.
681
00:36:23,139 --> 00:36:25,808
And that's one of the reasons
I went to Denmark.
682
00:36:25,808 --> 00:36:29,312
I chose Denmark, being, you know,
one of the top orthodontic programs
683
00:36:29,312 --> 00:36:30,354
on the planet.
684
00:36:30,354 --> 00:36:34,859
But I just, you know, I shudder
at what they were teaching me at times.
685
00:36:34,859 --> 00:36:36,319
Just lift the chair up for you.
686
00:36:36,319 --> 00:36:37,862
- That feel okay?
- That's fine.
687
00:36:37,862 --> 00:36:39,989
[Mike] For about 20 years,
688
00:36:39,989 --> 00:36:43,743
I worked side by side with my father
at least one day a week.
689
00:36:43,743 --> 00:36:47,914
The timer has now failed
on the stage four.
690
00:36:47,914 --> 00:36:50,333
We want Thea wearing it 12 hours a day.
691
00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:52,084
She forgot her appliance.
692
00:36:52,084 --> 00:36:54,545
And it's quite apparent
she's only wearing it at night.
693
00:36:54,545 --> 00:36:57,632
We have two chairs
literally in the same room,
694
00:36:57,632 --> 00:37:00,760
chatting with him about life,
the times, and everything.
695
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:04,805
And I just have nothing
but happy memories of that.
696
00:37:04,805 --> 00:37:07,183
Then I took over
and it sort of became my clinic.
697
00:37:08,017 --> 00:37:10,603
I literally thought
this would never go anywhere,
698
00:37:10,603 --> 00:37:13,606
but I couldn't bear to do
conventional orthodontics
699
00:37:13,606 --> 00:37:17,818
where I felt I was damaging
people's faces and health.
700
00:37:17,818 --> 00:37:22,240
Orthotropics is what I was born to do.
701
00:37:22,240 --> 00:37:24,450
[soft music]
702
00:37:25,368 --> 00:37:26,661
[bleats]
703
00:37:30,873 --> 00:37:32,917
[Mike humming]
704
00:37:39,423 --> 00:37:42,051
Very good for you, yogurt.
705
00:37:42,051 --> 00:37:45,137
Well, this is what everyone says--
Or what they were saying.
706
00:37:45,137 --> 00:37:47,640
And all of a sudden, apparently
yogurt is not good for you anymore,
707
00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:51,227
and it's full of sugar.
708
00:37:51,227 --> 00:37:52,270
Yes, I...
709
00:37:54,981 --> 00:38:01,028
I swallow the description
that it's full of the right bacteria.
710
00:38:01,028 --> 00:38:04,156
When you consider
the state of our knowledge,
711
00:38:04,156 --> 00:38:05,783
I think it's abysmal.
712
00:38:06,492 --> 00:38:08,035
How are we getting on with the omelet?
713
00:38:08,035 --> 00:38:10,830
I'm wondering whether to have
some shredded wheat or not.
714
00:38:10,830 --> 00:38:13,499
Well, I think--
I think we are almost omelet-ready.
715
00:38:15,793 --> 00:38:17,837
There we go, sir.
716
00:38:17,837 --> 00:38:20,006
- [John] Fantastic.
- [Mike] Your omelet.
717
00:38:21,048 --> 00:38:23,092
You're very good with omelets.
718
00:38:23,092 --> 00:38:26,887
Whenever I do them,
they're either too wet or too dry.
719
00:38:30,141 --> 00:38:33,477
[Mike] There's a very odd smell
coming from your fridge.
720
00:38:33,477 --> 00:38:37,815
Some milk has drained
into your smoked haddock, Dad.
721
00:38:42,153 --> 00:38:43,904
[John] You put cheese in it, didn't you?
722
00:38:43,904 --> 00:38:46,532
- I know.
- Which is lovely, but of course,
723
00:38:46,532 --> 00:38:48,492
it's become very stringy.
724
00:38:51,078 --> 00:38:55,666
[Mike] Dad's done all of this great stuff,
come up with all these great ideas.
725
00:38:55,666 --> 00:38:58,878
But no one knew about it.
And I knew in orthotropics
726
00:38:58,878 --> 00:39:00,171
there was something interesting.
727
00:39:00,171 --> 00:39:03,841
Almost anyone I have a conversation with
is fascinated with this.
728
00:39:03,841 --> 00:39:09,305
And yet here we have this really dry topic
that I couldn't get out there.
729
00:39:09,305 --> 00:39:12,892
But my father's been trying
for 30, 40 years, if not more,
730
00:39:12,892 --> 00:39:15,311
and he's not made-- got this idea out.
731
00:39:15,311 --> 00:39:16,729
And now we've got social media.
732
00:39:16,729 --> 00:39:22,693
And my bet here is that social media
is going to somehow give us wings.
733
00:39:22,693 --> 00:39:25,196
{\an8}If you can't breathe out of your nose,
734
00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:32,495
{\an8}you're forced to either die
or breathe out of your mouth.
735
00:39:32,495 --> 00:39:33,704
[gulps]
736
00:39:33,704 --> 00:39:36,582
We were just throwing things out there,
737
00:39:36,582 --> 00:39:37,917
throwing anything we could.
738
00:39:37,917 --> 00:39:43,839
Did Brad Pitt have
a stronger jawline in the past?
739
00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:45,091
This way.
740
00:39:45,091 --> 00:39:48,260
And it was really a scattergun approach
741
00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:51,639
to see if we could get people interested
in what we were doing.
742
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:55,101
I now have 14 sticks
of chewing gum in my mouth
743
00:39:55,101 --> 00:39:56,394
all at one time.
744
00:39:56,394 --> 00:39:58,938
{\an8}As this occurs, it narrows,
745
00:39:58,938 --> 00:40:03,776
{\an8}and asymmetries automatically accumulate.
746
00:40:03,776 --> 00:40:05,027
Is that comfortable, Tasha?
747
00:40:07,279 --> 00:40:11,617
It was my objective
to get something to go viral.
748
00:40:11,617 --> 00:40:13,702
You just hold that eye contact,
749
00:40:13,702 --> 00:40:16,288
you know, with a cheeky smile
on your face.
750
00:40:16,288 --> 00:40:20,417
Eye contact with a cheeky smile,
that's magical for a girl.
751
00:40:22,086 --> 00:40:25,214
[Mike] Someone saw one of my videos,
thought that was interesting,
752
00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:27,466
and I was just asked to give a lecture
753
00:40:27,466 --> 00:40:33,139
at a conference called the 21 Conference,
I think, something like that.
754
00:40:33,139 --> 00:40:34,849
We're in good hands. Let's welcome Mike.
755
00:40:34,849 --> 00:40:36,600
[applause]
756
00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:40,479
[Mike] It was the type of thing
that if I'd done proper research,
757
00:40:40,479 --> 00:40:41,689
I'd have never done.
758
00:40:42,481 --> 00:40:44,275
I teach seduction for life.
759
00:40:44,275 --> 00:40:47,945
I am so bored and sick of teaching people
how to walk up and stare at girls
760
00:40:47,945 --> 00:40:49,822
and stop them and go, "Hello."
761
00:40:49,822 --> 00:40:52,241
If you like women and you want to have
sex with women and date them--
762
00:40:52,241 --> 00:40:53,742
Who likes girls?
Put your hands up real quick,
763
00:40:53,742 --> 00:40:55,077
all the people who like women. All right.
764
00:40:55,077 --> 00:40:57,830
Of course, a lot of them,
I showed how to have their first orgasm.
765
00:40:57,830 --> 00:40:59,373
It was great, you know.
766
00:40:59,373 --> 00:41:01,167
They'll--they'll be
real thankful for that.
767
00:41:01,167 --> 00:41:03,461
What gives you a good face?
768
00:41:04,253 --> 00:41:10,551
I know that I look better now
than I did ten years ago.
769
00:41:12,720 --> 00:41:14,555
Because I've made a concerted effort
770
00:41:14,555 --> 00:41:16,724
to get my tongue on the roof
of my mouth...
771
00:41:18,017 --> 00:41:20,436
and chew more, a bit more chewing gum.
772
00:41:20,436 --> 00:41:21,604
That really is the thing.
773
00:41:22,521 --> 00:41:26,400
After that, we noticed
people talking about me
774
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:28,861
and talking about
these exercises I presented.
775
00:41:28,861 --> 00:41:32,531
If I could plug you in
like they do in Matrix
776
00:41:32,531 --> 00:41:35,159
and upload a good tongue function pattern,
777
00:41:35,159 --> 00:41:38,996
I think I could get you all
to grow fantastically.
778
00:41:40,664 --> 00:41:44,126
We were monitoring my name
on the internet.
779
00:41:44,126 --> 00:41:46,837
We then found a few alerts went out
780
00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:49,924
on a forum called SlutHate.
781
00:41:49,924 --> 00:41:52,301
[tense music]
782
00:41:52,301 --> 00:41:55,638
And it was this world of incels
that I really didn't know much about.
783
00:42:10,569 --> 00:42:13,948
People were talking
about that lecture I'd given
784
00:42:13,948 --> 00:42:17,952
and what they could do
to improve themselves.
785
00:42:17,952 --> 00:42:21,622
So I gave some responses.
786
00:42:21,622 --> 00:42:22,790
Hi.
787
00:42:23,791 --> 00:42:27,378
Thank you for quite a lot of interest
from a number of forums,
788
00:42:27,378 --> 00:42:32,466
in particular,
a forum I'm responding to here
789
00:42:32,466 --> 00:42:35,844
called "SlutHate," as it happens.
790
00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:42,935
The first response came
from IncelExecutioner.
791
00:42:42,935 --> 00:42:45,354
I do love some of the names
you've got here.
792
00:42:45,354 --> 00:42:50,025
BetaGayFace, you asked about face pulling.
793
00:42:50,025 --> 00:42:52,778
A question from Kushmaster.
794
00:42:52,778 --> 00:42:56,574
And then final one, um, Yul Brynner.
795
00:42:58,701 --> 00:43:01,620
Why did I engage with them,
and why did I respond to that?
796
00:43:01,620 --> 00:43:03,747
I guess it's an instinctive thing
797
00:43:03,747 --> 00:43:05,541
to get the information
out there to help people.
798
00:43:06,542 --> 00:43:07,960
Most people go through
this period of time.
799
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,336
I went through this period of time
800
00:43:09,336 --> 00:43:13,632
when I was a young teenager
and I felt gawky and awkward
801
00:43:13,632 --> 00:43:15,009
and I couldn't chat a girl up.
802
00:43:15,009 --> 00:43:16,635
I couldn't-- you know,
it was quite difficult.
803
00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:25,811
I can understand this group of people
804
00:43:25,811 --> 00:43:29,440
gravitated to orthotropics
because, in essence,
805
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,734
this was a sort of secret
806
00:43:31,734 --> 00:43:33,819
that had never been divulged
to them before
807
00:43:33,819 --> 00:43:36,739
that was the answer
to all of their problems.
808
00:43:36,739 --> 00:43:39,742
I'm literally turning--
yes, I'm turning the dweeb to a Chad.
809
00:43:41,118 --> 00:43:43,203
Yes, we engaged-- I engaged on SlutHate,
810
00:43:44,413 --> 00:43:47,374
which is one of those things,
again, if anyone asks you,
811
00:43:47,374 --> 00:43:49,877
never go and engage with people
on this sort of thing.
812
00:43:49,877 --> 00:43:53,255
But science isn't PC.
813
00:43:53,255 --> 00:43:55,341
Science is as you find it.
814
00:43:55,341 --> 00:43:57,718
But, you know, I'd have done a deal
with the devil to get this across.
815
00:43:57,718 --> 00:43:59,636
We've been overwhelmed in response
816
00:43:59,636 --> 00:44:01,430
and interest from people.
817
00:44:03,307 --> 00:44:05,309
It was just--it was a revelation to me.
818
00:44:05,309 --> 00:44:07,478
It was really just nice.
819
00:44:07,478 --> 00:44:09,730
It was nice to actually have an audience
820
00:44:09,730 --> 00:44:11,315
who wanted to listen to you
821
00:44:11,315 --> 00:44:14,526
rather than the door being closed
at every opportunity.
822
00:44:15,402 --> 00:44:20,240
I didn't really cognitively think ahead
of what was happening.
823
00:44:20,240 --> 00:44:22,701
But I could see this thing growing.
824
00:44:22,701 --> 00:44:27,122
All of a sudden, it was like
Pandora's box had been opened.
825
00:44:27,122 --> 00:44:31,168
[hip-hop music]
826
00:44:31,168 --> 00:44:33,337
That exercise is called mewing,
827
00:44:33,337 --> 00:44:36,840
and it's supposed to give you
more defined and sculpted jawline.
828
00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:39,510
Here is an example
of a before and an after.
829
00:44:39,510 --> 00:44:42,930
You can see that her jawline
is more defined.
830
00:44:42,930 --> 00:44:45,974
All you have to do is place your tongue
on the roof of your mouth,
831
00:44:45,974 --> 00:44:47,559
and then you just close your lips.
832
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:49,186
[man 1] In this video,
I will be telling you
833
00:44:49,186 --> 00:44:52,064
how long it takes to see results
from mewing.
834
00:44:52,064 --> 00:44:53,440
[Mike] This is Joey.
835
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,442
He heard about a technique called mewing,
836
00:44:55,442 --> 00:44:57,528
which is the proper posture of the tongue.
837
00:44:57,528 --> 00:45:02,116
[clicking tongue] Mm. Mm. Mm. Mm.
838
00:45:02,116 --> 00:45:05,035
{\an8}In the long run, it's actually shown
to improve your face bone structure.
839
00:45:05,869 --> 00:45:07,830
[man 2]
I was not expecting the mewing thing.
840
00:45:07,830 --> 00:45:10,124
{\an8}That's not what I expected to happen.
841
00:45:10,124 --> 00:45:14,753
{\an8}This really sort of academic, medical,
842
00:45:14,753 --> 00:45:18,340
{\an8}dry, difficult to understand
complex of orthotropics
843
00:45:18,340 --> 00:45:20,008
{\an8}that we'd struggled to get out there
844
00:45:20,008 --> 00:45:22,344
{\an8}suddenly became sexy.
845
00:45:22,344 --> 00:45:26,265
{\an8}In yoga, just imagining,
like, the cat's back rounded,
846
00:45:26,265 --> 00:45:27,558
that's your tongue, like, rounded out.
847
00:45:27,558 --> 00:45:28,600
Ah.
848
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:32,312
[Mike] I've been amazed
at what's been occurring recently.
849
00:45:32,312 --> 00:45:36,066
I'm wondering when my surname
became a verb.
850
00:45:36,066 --> 00:45:39,653
M-E-W-I-N-G, mewing.
851
00:45:39,653 --> 00:45:40,612
Mewing has changed my life.
852
00:45:41,613 --> 00:45:43,240
What's up, guys? It's Tomazzo here.
853
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:46,952
{\an8}I look better. I'm healthier. I'm fitter.
854
00:45:46,952 --> 00:45:48,954
But having strong jaw muscles
is also important
855
00:45:48,954 --> 00:45:51,123
because it makes your face
look much better,
856
00:45:51,123 --> 00:45:52,541
even for girls too.
857
00:45:52,541 --> 00:45:55,461
It kind of fixed everything.
It just didn't fix one or two things.
858
00:45:55,461 --> 00:45:58,088
It's revolutionary.
It's gonna transform the world,
859
00:45:58,088 --> 00:45:59,548
like, maybe, probably.
860
00:46:00,924 --> 00:46:05,762
If you want to develop a healthier face,
861
00:46:05,762 --> 00:46:09,475
if you want to fulfill
your genetic potential,
862
00:46:09,475 --> 00:46:11,643
identify it, work on it,
863
00:46:11,643 --> 00:46:14,646
feel that posture a third of the time.
864
00:46:14,646 --> 00:46:18,275
I've got so many kids who are being forced
through orthodontics by their parents.
865
00:46:18,275 --> 00:46:20,027
Mm.
866
00:46:20,027 --> 00:46:22,488
[Mike] All of a sudden, the idea of mewing
867
00:46:22,488 --> 00:46:26,867
was just this antidote to all of that.
868
00:46:26,867 --> 00:46:30,621
And also, it resonated with "good looks."
869
00:46:36,251 --> 00:46:38,420
{\an8}Mewing is not cat.
870
00:46:38,420 --> 00:46:40,130
{\an8}Mew. It's not cat.
871
00:46:40,130 --> 00:46:42,549
{\an8}It's the correct tongue posture.
872
00:46:42,549 --> 00:46:45,594
Tongue is up and flat.
873
00:46:45,594 --> 00:46:48,222
On the soft palate like a trampoline.
874
00:46:48,222 --> 00:46:49,556
- Hi.
- [Koko] Hi. Excited to meet you.
875
00:46:49,556 --> 00:46:50,641
{\an8}- How are you?
- My name's Koko.
876
00:46:50,641 --> 00:46:51,600
{\an8}I'm Kim.
877
00:46:51,600 --> 00:46:52,768
{\an8}Thank you so much for coming.
878
00:46:52,768 --> 00:46:54,269
- [Scott] Scott.
- [Koko] It's good to meet you. Koko.
879
00:46:54,269 --> 00:46:56,063
- Hi, how are you?
- Thank you.
880
00:46:56,063 --> 00:46:58,440
Have you done any face exercise
881
00:46:58,440 --> 00:47:00,442
- or face yoga or anything like that?
- No.
882
00:47:00,442 --> 00:47:03,070
[all] Mm.
883
00:47:03,070 --> 00:47:08,367
- [clapping]
- [laughter]
884
00:47:08,367 --> 00:47:11,787
Mewing is a huge part of our method,
face yoga.
885
00:47:11,787 --> 00:47:14,414
Mike Mew is like a legendary doctor
886
00:47:14,414 --> 00:47:15,666
in our community.
887
00:47:15,666 --> 00:47:17,501
He's like our god.
888
00:47:18,168 --> 00:47:19,378
[Mike] If you want to get freaked out,
889
00:47:19,378 --> 00:47:22,172
type "Mike Mew is God"
into the internet and hashtags.
890
00:47:22,172 --> 00:47:23,632
{\an8}Oh, gosh, it freaks me out.
891
00:47:23,632 --> 00:47:26,552
{\an8}Like, I mean, yes,
I've become a messiah to people.
892
00:47:26,552 --> 00:47:28,345
{\an8}You do have a very good jawline.
893
00:47:28,345 --> 00:47:29,596
I tell you what.
894
00:47:29,596 --> 00:47:30,847
Yeah, you see?
895
00:47:30,847 --> 00:47:32,516
My goodness, me.
896
00:47:32,516 --> 00:47:34,810
[upbeat music]
897
00:47:34,810 --> 00:47:36,228
[Mike] And there came a point
898
00:47:36,228 --> 00:47:38,021
when I actually thought to myself,
899
00:47:38,021 --> 00:47:42,359
"Look, we've got the chance
of going around the system."
900
00:47:44,111 --> 00:47:45,320
[man] I believe Mike Mew,
901
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,906
- who I actually had on my podcast--
- [Joe] Mewing.
902
00:47:47,906 --> 00:47:49,074
[man] Yeah, mewing, exactly.
903
00:47:49,074 --> 00:47:51,368
Mike Mew, I think has cracked the case.
904
00:47:51,368 --> 00:47:52,786
{\an8}That is crazy. Is that real?
905
00:47:52,786 --> 00:47:54,079
{\an8}- [man] Yes.
- [woman] Yeah, yeah.
906
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:56,373
{\an8}- She has like this little tiny ass jaw,
- [woman] That is real.
907
00:47:56,373 --> 00:47:57,916
{\an8}and then she developed a real normal one.
908
00:47:57,916 --> 00:47:59,293
{\an8}[woman] Yeah.
909
00:47:59,293 --> 00:48:00,752
{\an8}[Mike] Victor Hugo said,
910
00:48:00,752 --> 00:48:05,716
"No army can stop an idea
whose time has come."
911
00:48:05,716 --> 00:48:08,051
You can't put the genie
back in the bottle.
912
00:48:08,051 --> 00:48:10,178
And I don't care
whether this came out of SlutHate.
913
00:48:10,178 --> 00:48:13,223
I don't care whether this came
through the British Orthodontic Society.
914
00:48:14,725 --> 00:48:16,977
It came, and it became popular.
915
00:48:16,977 --> 00:48:19,187
And now we can be
on to the proper challenge
916
00:48:19,187 --> 00:48:21,940
of scientific engagement, the next step.
917
00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:26,820
[tense music]
918
00:48:28,155 --> 00:48:31,658
{\an8}[man] For me, the ancestral movement
is this return
919
00:48:31,658 --> 00:48:34,911
{\an8}to how our Paleolithic ancestors lived,
920
00:48:34,911 --> 00:48:37,205
moved, and ate, and just understanding
921
00:48:37,205 --> 00:48:39,833
that the more we emulate how they sat
922
00:48:39,833 --> 00:48:41,835
and squatted and kind of moved,
923
00:48:41,835 --> 00:48:43,712
the healthier we became.
924
00:48:43,712 --> 00:48:45,631
And that's what
this whole symposium is about.
925
00:48:45,631 --> 00:48:46,923
It's the ancestral health movement.
926
00:48:46,923 --> 00:48:50,594
{\an8}Next movement is the crawl,
just like a baby would crawl
927
00:48:50,594 --> 00:48:51,887
{\an8}except the knees don't touch.
928
00:48:52,763 --> 00:48:54,181
[man] I've been on a personal journey
929
00:48:54,181 --> 00:48:56,600
in trying to reverse
what's happened to me.
930
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,935
My journey was a little bit more invasive.
931
00:49:01,521 --> 00:49:04,816
It's called a transpalatal distractor,
932
00:49:04,816 --> 00:49:06,234
and it was surgically installed.
933
00:49:06,234 --> 00:49:08,987
And I turn that device every other day
934
00:49:08,987 --> 00:49:10,656
to widen my upper arch.
935
00:49:11,823 --> 00:49:14,910
Doctor's goal is to make
my nasal cavity wider
936
00:49:14,910 --> 00:49:16,495
so I can breathe at night.
937
00:49:16,495 --> 00:49:20,082
Before this, I could not breathe
through my nose at all.
938
00:49:20,082 --> 00:49:21,625
I didn't have any idea why.
939
00:49:21,625 --> 00:49:25,045
I was just, like,
going into research wormholes, confused.
940
00:49:25,045 --> 00:49:28,715
I had no idea what was happening to me
until I discovered mewing.
941
00:49:32,678 --> 00:49:34,554
So understanding craniofacial dystrophy,
942
00:49:34,554 --> 00:49:36,973
as Mike Mew calls it, helped me understand
943
00:49:36,973 --> 00:49:38,934
what happened to me.
944
00:49:38,934 --> 00:49:43,146
Incorporating his philosophy
is curing my sleep apnea.
945
00:49:43,146 --> 00:49:46,358
It's literally, like, saving my life.
946
00:49:46,358 --> 00:49:49,736
Personally, I find him to be like an idol,
like someone who's championing the truth
947
00:49:49,736 --> 00:49:51,863
right now in the scientific world
948
00:49:51,863 --> 00:49:53,907
where it's really hard
to come up with new ideas.
949
00:49:55,826 --> 00:49:58,370
[James] All right, this is starting
to feel a bit like the Oscars.
950
00:49:58,370 --> 00:50:01,206
We've got a superstar coming up right now,
951
00:50:01,206 --> 00:50:04,876
{\an8}none other than Dr. Mike Mew.
He's an orthodontist from London
952
00:50:04,876 --> 00:50:09,172
{\an8}and an expert in oral posture
and rehabilitation.
953
00:50:09,172 --> 00:50:11,717
He's here to discuss how the way in which
954
00:50:11,717 --> 00:50:15,804
we hold our mouths
affects how our faces will grow,
955
00:50:15,804 --> 00:50:18,140
how we'll breathe, and more.
956
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:21,893
[Mike] What I'm trying to do is I'm trying
to start pulling everyone together
957
00:50:21,893 --> 00:50:26,815
to make this movement.
And I've never done that before.
958
00:50:26,815 --> 00:50:28,400
I don't quite know what to do.
959
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,737
This is the biggest disease you've all got
that you don't know about.
960
00:50:31,737 --> 00:50:34,823
Because it's in your face.
It is your face.
961
00:50:34,823 --> 00:50:39,077
You know, you don't want to admit this.
It's uncomfortable to admit it.
962
00:50:39,077 --> 00:50:41,496
You're all affected. You're all deformed.
963
00:50:43,248 --> 00:50:45,250
You know, we've never really had this,
964
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:48,420
where a group of people come together,
965
00:50:49,796 --> 00:50:50,839
fomented on the internet.
966
00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:52,758
You know, we had
the Arab Spring where people--
967
00:50:52,758 --> 00:50:54,760
the social media helped
get people together
968
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,304
as a cohesive group to gain change.
969
00:50:57,304 --> 00:50:58,388
Um...
970
00:50:59,723 --> 00:51:02,517
now I want to try and do
the same thing in medicine,
971
00:51:02,517 --> 00:51:05,896
you know, by the people,
for the people type of thing.
972
00:51:05,896 --> 00:51:08,732
And what we really need is a revolution.
973
00:51:08,732 --> 00:51:12,152
Many of you here will be
affected by the problems I'm saying,
974
00:51:12,152 --> 00:51:16,198
you know, forward head posture,
snoring, sleep apnea.
975
00:51:17,616 --> 00:51:21,411
My father's focus on facial beauty
976
00:51:21,411 --> 00:51:24,539
has definitely held
this whole science back,
977
00:51:24,539 --> 00:51:28,376
and there is no real way around that.
978
00:51:28,376 --> 00:51:31,588
He goes full on, full throttle to beauty.
979
00:51:31,588 --> 00:51:34,925
And I think that harms his message.
980
00:51:35,884 --> 00:51:38,804
People seem to care so much
more about how they look
981
00:51:38,804 --> 00:51:39,930
than how healthy they are.
982
00:51:41,181 --> 00:51:43,517
But if I can use that
to get people to be healthier,
983
00:51:43,517 --> 00:51:45,352
then great. I'll do what I want.
984
00:51:45,352 --> 00:51:47,813
If your face didn't grow well,
985
00:51:48,522 --> 00:51:51,733
you may be looking ugly.
986
00:51:52,651 --> 00:51:56,154
That is your fault, and that may well have
987
00:51:56,154 --> 00:51:58,240
significant health implications.
988
00:51:58,240 --> 00:51:59,407
You know?
989
00:51:59,407 --> 00:52:01,451
I'm saying don't be happy
with where you are.
990
00:52:02,536 --> 00:52:04,704
Get off your ass and change.
991
00:52:04,704 --> 00:52:08,208
[man] And, Mike, how about
for craniofacial dystrophy,
992
00:52:08,208 --> 00:52:09,459
what can we do right now?
993
00:52:09,459 --> 00:52:11,711
What can everyone
in this room do right now
994
00:52:11,711 --> 00:52:12,838
to help reverse this?
995
00:52:12,838 --> 00:52:15,340
Stand up straight and shut your mouth.
996
00:52:15,340 --> 00:52:16,424
[laughter]
997
00:52:16,424 --> 00:52:19,052
[host] Speaking of chewing,
it's lunchtime, everybody.
998
00:52:19,052 --> 00:52:24,474
So thank you very much for coming.
Thank you to the entire panel.
999
00:52:24,474 --> 00:52:26,476
[applause]
1000
00:52:33,149 --> 00:52:35,944
[kettle whistling]
1001
00:52:42,450 --> 00:52:47,163
[John] Michael gets upset with me
because I talk a lot
1002
00:52:47,163 --> 00:52:50,458
about facial appearance
and attractiveness.
1003
00:52:50,458 --> 00:52:53,628
He says that that is counterproductive
1004
00:52:53,628 --> 00:52:57,090
to the idea of promoting orthotropics.
1005
00:52:57,090 --> 00:52:58,884
I say nonsense.
1006
00:52:58,884 --> 00:53:03,013
Anybody can make themselves
really good-looking
1007
00:53:03,013 --> 00:53:07,392
if they try, well,
certainly by the age of ten.
1008
00:53:07,392 --> 00:53:11,229
[soft music]
1009
00:53:11,229 --> 00:53:13,273
As a five-year-old,
1010
00:53:13,273 --> 00:53:15,317
I had a beautifully shaped face.
1011
00:53:15,317 --> 00:53:18,737
Lovely, round, a bit square.
Very attractive.
1012
00:53:18,737 --> 00:53:21,448
But at the age of nine,
1013
00:53:21,448 --> 00:53:24,075
I started to leave my mouth open.
1014
00:53:24,659 --> 00:53:29,664
And the whole shape of my face
changed really quite dramatically.
1015
00:53:29,664 --> 00:53:34,920
And I can remember going from being
a square-faced boy to a long-faced boy.
1016
00:53:37,881 --> 00:53:41,551
I do remember one girl
I rather fancied saying,
1017
00:53:41,551 --> 00:53:45,221
"You know, the boy with the long face,"
referring to me.
1018
00:53:45,221 --> 00:53:48,016
So yes, people did notice.
1019
00:53:48,016 --> 00:53:51,144
But I've always been
a fairly lively individual.
1020
00:53:51,144 --> 00:53:55,357
Therefore, I don't think
that it handicapped me that much.
1021
00:53:55,357 --> 00:53:58,485
But it did mean
I didn't get the pretty girls.
1022
00:53:58,485 --> 00:54:01,655
[soft music]
1023
00:54:02,906 --> 00:54:06,618
Your face is your fortune,
without the slightest doubt.
1024
00:54:08,244 --> 00:54:11,623
Good-looking people
have all the advantages.
1025
00:54:12,916 --> 00:54:15,627
{\an8}This was a drawing
1026
00:54:15,627 --> 00:54:19,297
{\an8}that I asked a professional artist
1027
00:54:19,297 --> 00:54:25,470
{\an8}to make for me to represent
what I thought was a truly beautiful face.
1028
00:54:25,470 --> 00:54:28,223
I sent it back to the painter,
1029
00:54:28,223 --> 00:54:31,393
I would think, ten times, saying,
1030
00:54:31,393 --> 00:54:33,603
"Please alter this, please alter that."
1031
00:54:33,603 --> 00:54:36,314
{\an8}And I'm still not really happy with it.
1032
00:54:36,314 --> 00:54:39,109
I really believe that in our mind,
1033
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:42,821
imprinted in our subconscious,
1034
00:54:42,821 --> 00:54:45,073
we know exactly
1035
00:54:45,073 --> 00:54:47,325
what the perfect face looks like.
1036
00:54:47,325 --> 00:54:51,371
And we know within one or two millimeters.
1037
00:54:52,163 --> 00:54:54,124
And we actually measure that.
1038
00:54:54,124 --> 00:54:56,292
We have an instrument
1039
00:54:56,292 --> 00:54:59,671
which we call an indicator ruler.
1040
00:54:59,671 --> 00:55:01,131
Very simple.
1041
00:55:01,131 --> 00:55:04,801
And you put this bit there
under your teeth like that.
1042
00:55:05,969 --> 00:55:08,763
And then you touch your nose.
1043
00:55:08,763 --> 00:55:11,599
I would say this part of my face
1044
00:55:11,599 --> 00:55:14,936
is probably that much too far back.
1045
00:55:14,936 --> 00:55:16,813
Twenty, twenty-five millimeters.
1046
00:55:16,813 --> 00:55:19,024
That's a huge measurement.
1047
00:55:19,024 --> 00:55:22,110
- [woman] These 20 millimeters...
- Yes.
1048
00:55:22,110 --> 00:55:24,112
What difference
have they made in your life?
1049
00:55:24,612 --> 00:55:27,407
Um, I-- I would have been good-looking.
1050
00:55:29,367 --> 00:55:35,206
[soft music]
1051
00:55:41,629 --> 00:55:45,133
{\an8}[Mike] Don't underestimate
the long-term effects
1052
00:55:45,133 --> 00:55:46,968
{\an8}of gaining habits.
1053
00:55:46,968 --> 00:55:51,222
{\an8}And it's very difficult
to enthuse children--
1054
00:55:51,222 --> 00:55:54,976
Elbows off the table, Jessica.
Elbows off. Elbows off.
1055
00:55:54,976 --> 00:55:55,935
Good girl.
1056
00:55:57,062 --> 00:56:01,858
Enthuse children at an older age
to change deeply ingrained habits.
1057
00:56:01,858 --> 00:56:05,153
And a habit learned at this age
1058
00:56:05,153 --> 00:56:08,865
can become a lifetime's change.
1059
00:56:09,949 --> 00:56:11,034
Elbows off the table.
1060
00:56:11,910 --> 00:56:14,829
There. There we go. Lips together.
1061
00:56:15,663 --> 00:56:17,290
[Milla] Michael is a little bit--
1062
00:56:18,333 --> 00:56:19,542
{\an8}- he's a little bit strange.
- [chuckles]
1063
00:56:19,542 --> 00:56:22,003
{\an8}And we're all strange in some ways.
1064
00:56:22,003 --> 00:56:26,174
{\an8}But, um, I do take him as he is.
1065
00:56:26,174 --> 00:56:28,676
And I'm fine with it, you know?
1066
00:56:28,676 --> 00:56:30,637
Yeah, it's perfect, Milla.
1067
00:56:30,637 --> 00:56:33,640
I couldn't have met someone
more perfect than you,
1068
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:34,891
- you know, honestly.
- No way.
1069
00:56:34,891 --> 00:56:36,643
- Yeah, no, honestly.
- No one better than me?
1070
00:56:36,643 --> 00:56:38,103
[Mike] No, no, no, no, you're right.
1071
00:56:40,271 --> 00:56:44,776
He said to me straightaway, um,
"You have nice teeth."
1072
00:56:44,776 --> 00:56:47,779
[both laughing]
1073
00:56:47,779 --> 00:56:49,697
- [woman] That's okay.
- Yeah.
1074
00:56:50,365 --> 00:56:51,407
Yeah, it's a good line.
1075
00:56:52,659 --> 00:56:53,535
Mm.
1076
00:56:54,202 --> 00:56:55,120
[woman] Oh, you're both chewing.
1077
00:56:56,579 --> 00:56:59,124
- Yeah. For later.
- [woman] You're a gum-chewing family.
1078
00:56:59,124 --> 00:57:00,583
- Yes, we try and force it
- Yeah.
1079
00:57:00,583 --> 00:57:01,709
on the kids, as well.
1080
00:57:04,254 --> 00:57:05,505
[Milla] Okay, here's a gravy.
1081
00:57:05,505 --> 00:57:07,340
Don't lean on the table, just serve it.
1082
00:57:07,340 --> 00:57:12,053
Daddy, today I had
a chocolate pudding for lunch.
1083
00:57:12,053 --> 00:57:15,223
You had a chocolate pancake
for pudding for lunch today?
1084
00:57:15,223 --> 00:57:16,766
- Dear me.
- [Jessica] Chocolate inside.
1085
00:57:16,766 --> 00:57:19,060
- [Milla] Lucky girl, eh?
- Lucky girl.
1086
00:57:19,060 --> 00:57:21,521
Yeah, what is that school feeding you, eh?
1087
00:57:21,521 --> 00:57:23,898
- [Jessica] No, not school.
- No, it's Mummy, actually.
1088
00:57:23,898 --> 00:57:25,859
- [Mike] It was Mummy, was it?
- [Milla] It's the lunch box, yeah.
1089
00:57:25,859 --> 00:57:27,193
[Mike] Oh, yeah, right, the lunch box.
1090
00:57:27,193 --> 00:57:29,154
[laughing]
1091
00:57:29,154 --> 00:57:31,197
[muffled indistinct speech]
1092
00:57:36,703 --> 00:57:38,830
- Lips closed.
- Don't speak with your mouth full.
1093
00:57:40,206 --> 00:57:41,457
Lips together, Zarina.
1094
00:57:42,709 --> 00:57:44,836
Lips together. I can see the kale
sticking out your mouth.
1095
00:57:45,336 --> 00:57:48,173
[light percussive music]
1096
00:57:51,468 --> 00:57:56,598
Personal vlog, September the 25th, 2018.
1097
00:57:57,932 --> 00:58:01,436
{\an8}I have been expelled
from the British Orthodontic Society.
1098
00:58:03,354 --> 00:58:05,648
{\an8}The decision was unanimous.
1099
00:58:05,648 --> 00:58:09,360
And to quote
a paragraph from the decision,
1100
00:58:09,360 --> 00:58:12,280
"Having listened to what you had to say
1101
00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,658
and having considered the matter in full,
1102
00:58:15,658 --> 00:58:20,580
the unanimous decision of the board
is that, in our opinion,
1103
00:58:20,580 --> 00:58:24,167
your conduct is contrary
to the interests of the society."
1104
00:58:25,168 --> 00:58:28,421
Now, they all went on to say
1105
00:58:28,421 --> 00:58:30,215
that they felt the social media campaign
1106
00:58:30,215 --> 00:58:35,595
that I've run seems to demonstrate
an unhealthy obsession with publicity
1107
00:58:35,595 --> 00:58:37,513
to the detriment of patients.
1108
00:58:37,513 --> 00:58:41,184
Um, now, I don't want to be taken
into a dark corner
1109
00:58:41,184 --> 00:58:43,353
and mugged quietly.
1110
00:58:50,610 --> 00:58:54,447
What I would really like to do
is just get someone to engage in debate.
1111
00:58:54,447 --> 00:58:55,865
So I want to go along
1112
00:58:55,865 --> 00:58:58,952
to the British Orthodontic
Society Conference.
1113
00:58:58,952 --> 00:59:01,621
It's the big conference of orthodontics.
1114
00:59:01,621 --> 00:59:05,583
{\an8}[upbeat music]
1115
00:59:05,583 --> 00:59:06,793
[man] If I had to give you
1116
00:59:06,793 --> 00:59:09,504
one word about how I feel just now
about being at conference again
1117
00:59:09,504 --> 00:59:11,464
in Manchester and seeing everybody,
1118
00:59:11,464 --> 00:59:14,050
I think that it's summed up
in the word "giddy."
1119
00:59:19,597 --> 00:59:22,600
[Mike] I think one of the biggest problems
1120
00:59:22,600 --> 00:59:26,479
is that lots and lots of patients
1121
00:59:26,479 --> 00:59:29,607
who have heard about me
or seen my videos online
1122
00:59:29,607 --> 00:59:31,442
are asking difficult questions
1123
00:59:31,442 --> 00:59:33,569
the orthodontists can't answer.
1124
00:59:34,946 --> 00:59:36,864
The closer we get to Manchester,
1125
00:59:36,864 --> 00:59:39,492
the closer we get
to the British Orthodontic Society,
1126
00:59:39,492 --> 00:59:42,912
the more scared I get.
1127
00:59:42,912 --> 00:59:44,414
You know, there's no other word.
1128
00:59:44,414 --> 00:59:47,083
You know, it's just--
1129
00:59:47,083 --> 00:59:49,252
It's really hard to do this.
1130
00:59:49,252 --> 00:59:50,878
It's really, really hard.
1131
01:00:04,267 --> 01:00:08,771
You know, I've never had
a full scientific discussion
1132
01:00:08,771 --> 01:00:11,274
or engagement with any orthodontist,
1133
01:00:11,274 --> 01:00:14,944
probably ever in my life, never.
You know, and I think that's a shame.
1134
01:00:15,945 --> 01:00:18,406
I would imagine that most people
at this conference
1135
01:00:18,406 --> 01:00:21,868
would describe me as a charlatan.
1136
01:00:21,868 --> 01:00:23,244
I think they probably think
1137
01:00:23,244 --> 01:00:25,622
I'm a bit stupid and a bit mad.
1138
01:00:27,332 --> 01:00:32,670
I mean, just wake up.
You know, actually read a bloody paper.
1139
01:00:32,670 --> 01:00:34,714
Actually ask yourself the question.
1140
01:00:34,714 --> 01:00:38,676
You did blindly follow the orthodontist
'cause they're your mates.
1141
01:00:38,676 --> 01:00:41,512
Yeah, actually do
what you were trained to do
1142
01:00:41,512 --> 01:00:43,222
and look at the basic evidence.
1143
01:00:44,098 --> 01:00:45,516
You know, you go into the lion's den.
1144
01:00:45,516 --> 01:00:46,517
That's where I'm going now.
1145
01:01:04,786 --> 01:01:09,248
[woman] I, un, I got a sense,
and by a sense, I mean a number of emails
1146
01:01:09,248 --> 01:01:11,334
from Nigel Harradine,
1147
01:01:11,334 --> 01:01:14,212
- Yeah.
- who was the head of the BSSO.
1148
01:01:14,212 --> 01:01:15,588
- Now the BOS.
- Yeah.
1149
01:01:15,588 --> 01:01:19,801
And he-- What came across
was a real Mew fatigue.
1150
01:01:19,801 --> 01:01:22,387
{\an8}The vast body of orthodontists
in this country
1151
01:01:22,387 --> 01:01:25,556
{\an8}who are well trained who go on courses
1152
01:01:25,556 --> 01:01:27,517
{\an8}who read the literature and keep up,
1153
01:01:27,517 --> 01:01:30,353
they're basing their practice
on the best available evidence.
1154
01:01:30,353 --> 01:01:33,481
And some people just like to perhaps feel
1155
01:01:33,481 --> 01:01:35,191
that they are slightly crying
in the wilderness.
1156
01:01:35,191 --> 01:01:36,901
[woman] He used a few terms.
1157
01:01:36,901 --> 01:01:40,029
"The science falls
on their completely deaf ears,"
1158
01:01:40,029 --> 01:01:43,032
and, "They are an ancient fossil
with no adherents,"
1159
01:01:43,032 --> 01:01:46,035
and, "Irrelevant noisy fringe,"
1160
01:01:46,035 --> 01:01:47,578
and, "What they're selling is a scam."
1161
01:01:47,578 --> 01:01:48,538
[Dr. Peter] Right.
1162
01:01:48,538 --> 01:01:52,291
I totally agree with every word
you've just cited.
1163
01:01:52,291 --> 01:01:55,503
What I disagree with is that somebody
as important
1164
01:01:55,503 --> 01:01:59,173
as a former head of the British Society
for Orthodontics,
1165
01:01:59,173 --> 01:02:05,221
it's not enough to say,
"I'm sick of hearing Mewisms."
1166
01:02:05,221 --> 01:02:07,682
What he should be doing
is use the scientific method
1167
01:02:07,682 --> 01:02:10,143
and say why it's rubbish.
1168
01:02:10,143 --> 01:02:12,270
Point out what's wrong with the Mews
1169
01:02:12,270 --> 01:02:15,523
and how the Mews have the responsibility
1170
01:02:15,523 --> 01:02:20,069
to prove that what they're saying
has some merit, scientific merit.
1171
01:02:20,069 --> 01:02:23,239
The Orthodontic Society is not doing it.
1172
01:02:23,239 --> 01:02:25,950
And I suspect the reason
that they're not doing it
1173
01:02:25,950 --> 01:02:29,537
is because some of the things
that orthodontists do
1174
01:02:29,537 --> 01:02:35,251
are equally culpable,
equally without foundation.
1175
01:02:35,251 --> 01:02:38,463
[soft tense music]
1176
01:02:38,463 --> 01:02:43,426
[Dr. Marc] One has to look back
at the last modern century
1177
01:02:43,426 --> 01:02:44,719
of orthodontic practice
1178
01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:47,388
to fully understand the business.
1179
01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:55,021
Edward Angle probably
was one of the greatest tinkerers
1180
01:02:55,021 --> 01:02:57,774
{\an8}in all of health care history.
1181
01:02:57,774 --> 01:03:00,276
{\an8}He was almost like a Thomas Edison
1182
01:03:00,276 --> 01:03:02,320
{\an8}of orthodontia.
1183
01:03:04,906 --> 01:03:08,576
And in that time, the late 1890's,
1184
01:03:08,576 --> 01:03:11,496
there was a Victorian concept
1185
01:03:11,496 --> 01:03:15,708
that man needed to achieve nature's ideal.
1186
01:03:15,708 --> 01:03:19,253
And Angle was a subscriber
to this point of view.
1187
01:03:19,253 --> 01:03:22,423
He looked at how teeth come together,
1188
01:03:22,423 --> 01:03:24,592
which is called occlusion,
1189
01:03:24,592 --> 01:03:27,803
and he came up
with a classification system
1190
01:03:27,803 --> 01:03:31,766
of what he believed
was nature's intended ideal.
1191
01:03:33,810 --> 01:03:35,728
[Dr. Peter] Edward Angle was the first one
1192
01:03:35,728 --> 01:03:39,023
to start a school of orthodontics,
1193
01:03:39,023 --> 01:03:42,860
and thereby, he had a monopoly
of orthodontic education.
1194
01:03:45,154 --> 01:03:47,657
He had this ancient skull,
1195
01:03:47,657 --> 01:03:50,618
which had 32 teeth in perfect alignment.
1196
01:03:50,618 --> 01:03:56,165
And that became--
by dictum, by Angle's rule,
1197
01:03:56,165 --> 01:03:57,625
this is the aim of treatment.
1198
01:03:57,625 --> 01:04:02,171
If God didn't want you to have 32 teeth,
he would have given you 28, right?
1199
01:04:04,131 --> 01:04:10,096
From that point forward,
that became the gold standard
1200
01:04:10,096 --> 01:04:13,057
that you were supposed to achieve
at the end of treatment.
1201
01:04:14,809 --> 01:04:16,852
And he concentrated,
1202
01:04:16,852 --> 01:04:18,771
over the course of his lifetime,
1203
01:04:18,771 --> 01:04:22,358
the best way to move those teeth.
1204
01:04:26,070 --> 01:04:28,406
[Dr. Peter]
With each step towards facility,
1205
01:04:28,406 --> 01:04:31,325
more people jumped on the bandwagon.
1206
01:04:33,536 --> 01:04:36,914
Angle defined it as a standard of beauty
1207
01:04:36,914 --> 01:04:38,499
because it was ideal.
1208
01:04:38,499 --> 01:04:43,588
{\an8}Ideal and normal and beauty
all became conflated
1209
01:04:43,588 --> 01:04:47,508
in one concept, the orthodontic ideal.
1210
01:04:48,342 --> 01:04:50,636
And therefore, come to me,
1211
01:04:50,636 --> 01:04:52,638
your lovely, friendly orthodontist,
1212
01:04:52,638 --> 01:04:54,056
and I'll make you look normal
1213
01:04:54,056 --> 01:04:56,434
by arranging your 32 teeth
1214
01:04:56,434 --> 01:04:59,520
exactly the same way as his and hers
1215
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,439
and hers and his and then the other.
1216
01:05:01,439 --> 01:05:02,899
Everybody should look the same.
1217
01:05:02,899 --> 01:05:05,735
That's the goal of orthodontics.
1218
01:05:05,735 --> 01:05:08,863
I mean, just because you have
a Korean child here
1219
01:05:08,863 --> 01:05:11,991
and a Spanish child there,
to hell with it.
1220
01:05:11,991 --> 01:05:15,870
Just do everybody the same,
'cause everybody wants to look the same.
1221
01:05:15,870 --> 01:05:17,663
Everybody wants to look good.
1222
01:05:17,663 --> 01:05:21,626
Everybody wants to look
like an American model or a film star.
1223
01:05:22,543 --> 01:05:23,878
Is there anything wrong with that?
1224
01:05:23,878 --> 01:05:24,962
[laughs]
1225
01:05:24,962 --> 01:05:28,549
{\an8}[dance music]
1226
01:05:28,549 --> 01:05:30,926
{\an8}[Mike] The British Orthodontic Society
is just a club.
1227
01:05:30,926 --> 01:05:32,637
{\an8}You don't need to be a member
1228
01:05:32,637 --> 01:05:34,013
{\an8}of the British Orthodontic Society.
1229
01:05:36,849 --> 01:05:40,519
Now, the problem with this is that
they had already
1230
01:05:40,519 --> 01:05:41,854
referred me to the General Dental Council.
1231
01:05:43,606 --> 01:05:46,817
The General Dental Council
holds my license to practice.
1232
01:05:46,817 --> 01:05:51,322
So, we will have a hearing
at the General Dental Council in November.
1233
01:05:51,322 --> 01:05:55,201
And in November, they're going to decide
whether or not to take my license away.
1234
01:05:55,201 --> 01:05:58,162
So, I tried to engage some people
in conversation,
1235
01:05:58,162 --> 01:06:01,207
and it is literally,
"No, I don't want to talk to you."
1236
01:06:01,207 --> 01:06:04,710
You know, it's really quite oppressive
for you to be in a place
1237
01:06:04,710 --> 01:06:07,713
where 50% of the people are blanking you.
1238
01:06:07,713 --> 01:06:10,549
And you know--you know,
you can see people touching
1239
01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:13,094
and talking about you
and pointing you out.
1240
01:06:13,094 --> 01:06:14,637
You know, this whole thing,
what I'm doing,
1241
01:06:14,637 --> 01:06:19,433
it really takes courage to do this.
1242
01:06:19,433 --> 01:06:21,185
You know, I'm impressed with my father.
1243
01:06:21,185 --> 01:06:23,312
He's got thicker skin than I've got.
1244
01:06:23,312 --> 01:06:27,733
Maybe he didn't at my age and he grew.
1245
01:06:30,111 --> 01:06:32,571
[John] I'm slightly concerned
1246
01:06:32,571 --> 01:06:37,201
that this is going to be a story about you
1247
01:06:37,201 --> 01:06:40,079
rather than about orthotropics.
1248
01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:44,959
I don't--I don't think you want that,
but I think they're gonna make it that.
1249
01:06:44,959 --> 01:06:47,628
[light percussive music]
1250
01:06:57,638 --> 01:06:58,556
Hi, Mike.
1251
01:07:10,026 --> 01:07:11,736
So the GDC now know
1252
01:07:11,736 --> 01:07:12,987
- you've taken the case.
- They do.
1253
01:07:12,987 --> 01:07:14,780
- So they've been informed of that. Okay.
- Yes, they've been informed.
1254
01:07:14,780 --> 01:07:16,866
- So they're waiting on you.
- They know that there'll be a time lag,
1255
01:07:16,866 --> 01:07:18,325
- obviously, for us to catch up.
- Yes. Yeah.
1256
01:07:18,325 --> 01:07:22,371
{\an8}I've been going
through the very interesting statement
1257
01:07:22,371 --> 01:07:24,415
{\an8}- of Stephen Powell.
- Mm.
1258
01:07:24,415 --> 01:07:25,458
{\an8}Now, you know that's...
1259
01:07:25,458 --> 01:07:27,209
- nearly 200 pages long.
- Good bedtime reading.
1260
01:07:27,209 --> 01:07:28,836
Yeah. Nearly 200 pages long
1261
01:07:28,836 --> 01:07:31,464
- with about 200 pages of appendices.
- Mm.
1262
01:07:31,464 --> 01:07:33,799
I'm working my way through that slowly.
1263
01:07:33,799 --> 01:07:38,888
But the accusation is fundamental.
1264
01:07:38,888 --> 01:07:40,014
It's root and branch.
1265
01:07:40,014 --> 01:07:41,057
- They say what you're saying
- Yeah.
1266
01:07:41,057 --> 01:07:42,558
- is total nonsense.
- A total nonsense, yes.
1267
01:07:42,558 --> 01:07:44,351
In essence, he's calling you a charlatan.
1268
01:07:44,351 --> 01:07:46,812
- Mm. One of us is a charlatan.
- But--
1269
01:07:46,812 --> 01:07:47,772
[laughs] Okay.
1270
01:07:47,772 --> 01:07:51,358
Well, the trial, I think,
in the next few months
1271
01:07:51,358 --> 01:07:53,569
- is going to work out which one.
- Yes.
1272
01:07:53,569 --> 01:07:56,614
[Stephen] The allegations against him
are quite lengthy.
1273
01:07:56,614 --> 01:07:58,991
So, I'll just give you a flavor
of what they are.
1274
01:07:58,991 --> 01:08:01,243
Basically, what the GDC is saying
1275
01:08:01,243 --> 01:08:03,120
or what the prosecution is saying
1276
01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:08,709
is that he was making claims
about his procedures
1277
01:08:08,709 --> 01:08:11,087
which have no scientific basis,
1278
01:08:11,087 --> 01:08:15,049
so saying, "We can do X and Y."
1279
01:08:15,049 --> 01:08:19,678
In fact, he knew
that he could not achieve X and Y.
1280
01:08:19,678 --> 01:08:21,180
A second part of it
1281
01:08:21,180 --> 01:08:25,643
is that he was advocating
the need for treatment
1282
01:08:25,643 --> 01:08:27,394
where they are saying
1283
01:08:27,394 --> 01:08:29,313
actually there was no need
for treatment at all.
1284
01:08:29,313 --> 01:08:31,482
In terms of the expert evidence
against him,
1285
01:08:31,482 --> 01:08:35,820
they are saying that the whole thing
is basically snake oil.
1286
01:08:37,738 --> 01:08:41,200
[John]
Undoubtedly, orthotropics is on trial.
1287
01:08:41,826 --> 01:08:44,954
I mean, I'm concerned for Michael.
I'm his father.
1288
01:08:44,954 --> 01:08:48,374
But I've been through
the same battle myself,
1289
01:08:48,374 --> 01:08:50,376
and I know that Michael
1290
01:08:50,376 --> 01:08:52,670
- will not get a fair trial.
- [Mike] I can--
1291
01:08:52,670 --> 01:08:54,338
What do you think about the new barrister?
1292
01:08:54,338 --> 01:08:57,133
He has asked for all the cash up front.
1293
01:08:57,133 --> 01:08:59,677
Now, that's very unusual with a barrister.
1294
01:08:59,677 --> 01:09:03,681
Not--not top barristers in London.
1295
01:09:03,681 --> 01:09:05,808
Well, I've not come across it yet.
1296
01:09:05,808 --> 01:09:08,811
Yeah, 'cause you've not been playing
in that game yet.
1297
01:09:08,811 --> 01:09:10,855
- Oh, I don't think you're right.
- Oh, maybe.
1298
01:09:10,855 --> 01:09:11,939
On one occasion,
1299
01:09:11,939 --> 01:09:14,483
- I took the minister of health to court.
- To the high court.
1300
01:09:14,483 --> 01:09:17,528
- Yes, you did, didn't you?
- I did not get much higher than that.
1301
01:09:17,528 --> 01:09:19,446
My case is different.
1302
01:09:19,446 --> 01:09:24,326
So tactically, as we start up
till my court case,
1303
01:09:24,326 --> 01:09:29,456
could maybe not be too critical
of the whole orthodontic profession.
1304
01:09:30,749 --> 01:09:34,086
Yes, I mean,
when talking to orthodontists,
1305
01:09:34,086 --> 01:09:36,046
I'm always very polite.
1306
01:09:36,964 --> 01:09:41,260
The ideal way and the way we've agreed...
1307
01:09:41,260 --> 01:09:44,722
- Right.
- We're trying not to be
1308
01:09:45,556 --> 01:09:49,560
too immediately insulting
about fixed braces.
1309
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:52,396
Um, you are. I'm not.
1310
01:09:52,396 --> 01:09:54,398
You won't separate me on that.
1311
01:09:54,398 --> 01:09:58,110
Fixed braces should never be used.
1312
01:09:58,110 --> 01:10:02,197
They damage the teeth,
the roots, and the face.
1313
01:10:02,197 --> 01:10:04,575
Then say fixed appliances
can damage faces,
1314
01:10:04,575 --> 01:10:06,702
not that they always do it.
1315
01:10:06,702 --> 01:10:09,163
- No, Michael, I really can't.
- [gibberish]
1316
01:10:09,163 --> 01:10:10,581
- Okay. Okay.
- I'm sorry.
1317
01:10:10,581 --> 01:10:12,124
We won't agree on that.
1318
01:10:12,124 --> 01:10:16,378
- I am not good at changing people's minds.
- Yes.
1319
01:10:16,378 --> 01:10:19,340
- No.
- But I do speak the truth.
1320
01:10:19,340 --> 01:10:22,718
If Michael is going soft on that,
1321
01:10:22,718 --> 01:10:26,055
it's because he doesn't want
to rock the boat too much,
1322
01:10:26,055 --> 01:10:27,389
but it's true.
1323
01:10:27,389 --> 01:10:32,728
Dad, you were a property developer.
That's how you made your money.
1324
01:10:32,728 --> 01:10:34,730
- Yes.
- You could-- Later in your career,
1325
01:10:34,730 --> 01:10:36,106
you could afford to lose your license.
1326
01:10:36,106 --> 01:10:37,066
Yes.
1327
01:10:37,066 --> 01:10:40,361
You know, I've got a young--
I've got a young family.
1328
01:10:40,361 --> 01:10:43,322
You know, for me, I mean, I've--
1329
01:10:43,322 --> 01:10:45,407
I've sold my house for the proceeds.
1330
01:10:45,407 --> 01:10:47,159
Now I've just taken the deposit
1331
01:10:47,159 --> 01:10:48,577
for buying another house
1332
01:10:48,577 --> 01:10:50,621
and blown that as well.
1333
01:10:50,621 --> 01:10:54,458
So this is everything.
I've put everything into it.
1334
01:10:54,458 --> 01:10:57,002
This is everything of my life.
1335
01:10:57,002 --> 01:10:59,672
So, I think-- And also,
1336
01:10:59,672 --> 01:11:01,173
my father has already lost his license.
1337
01:11:01,173 --> 01:11:02,800
You know, we don't have a backup now.
1338
01:11:02,800 --> 01:11:05,511
I'm plan B. Plan B's got to work.
1339
01:11:11,433 --> 01:11:15,521
[Milla] Obviously, he paid
quite a big money for that barrister.
1340
01:11:15,521 --> 01:11:17,189
Michael said, "Do you think--
1341
01:11:17,189 --> 01:11:23,112
can I pay that money to the lawyer
instead of buying a house?"
1342
01:11:23,112 --> 01:11:27,074
And I said, "Well, if you think
it's the right thing to do, you do it."
1343
01:11:27,074 --> 01:11:30,160
So, when you have family,
1344
01:11:30,160 --> 01:11:33,872
you know, it's what you do.
1345
01:11:39,211 --> 01:11:43,590
Hundred percent I'm sure
that he gonna win that case.
1346
01:11:43,590 --> 01:11:48,762
Otherwise, I would be very--
it will be--I will be just...
1347
01:11:48,762 --> 01:11:50,973
How should I say?
1348
01:11:50,973 --> 01:11:53,017
I'm gonna invite the barrister for tea.
1349
01:11:53,017 --> 01:11:56,061
[laughing]
1350
01:11:56,061 --> 01:11:58,772
It's a familiar narrative
all the way through history.
1351
01:11:58,772 --> 01:12:00,316
David and Goliath,
1352
01:12:00,316 --> 01:12:02,860
big corporations, the small guy,
1353
01:12:02,860 --> 01:12:04,320
the whistleblower.
1354
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:07,948
[tense music]
1355
01:12:07,948 --> 01:12:11,410
He has, I think,
the understandable difficulty
1356
01:12:11,410 --> 01:12:13,537
that he's very emotionally invested.
1357
01:12:13,537 --> 01:12:16,582
This is now two generations of individuals
1358
01:12:16,582 --> 01:12:21,295
that are protecting a theory
and a way of treatment,
1359
01:12:21,295 --> 01:12:22,963
whether that lives or dies.
1360
01:12:24,673 --> 01:12:29,261
[Mike] I-- My life is layers and layers
and layers of stress at the moment.
1361
01:12:29,261 --> 01:12:32,723
It's worries about my career,
1362
01:12:32,723 --> 01:12:34,892
how that-- If I lose my license,
1363
01:12:34,892 --> 01:12:37,478
you know, how I will let
all my patients down.
1364
01:12:37,478 --> 01:12:40,814
You know, I'm worried about
moving the science I'm doing forwards.
1365
01:12:40,814 --> 01:12:43,650
You know, because I know
what I can achieve.
1366
01:12:43,650 --> 01:12:46,820
And I know that I'm not getting
the halfway there
1367
01:12:46,820 --> 01:12:48,989
with my patients at the moment.
1368
01:12:51,408 --> 01:12:54,078
What's been happening
since I saw you last time?
1369
01:12:54,078 --> 01:12:55,037
Not much.
1370
01:12:55,871 --> 01:12:56,747
[Mike] Okay.
1371
01:12:56,747 --> 01:12:57,956
When you mean not much,
1372
01:12:57,956 --> 01:12:59,500
what do you mean by not much?
1373
01:12:59,500 --> 01:13:03,337
Uh, I mean nothing really major
or noticeable--
1374
01:13:03,337 --> 01:13:05,964
or noticeable
other than traveling happened.
1375
01:13:07,591 --> 01:13:10,094
[Mike] All right, have you been wearing
your Myobrace much?
1376
01:13:10,094 --> 01:13:11,553
[Adam] Uh, no.
1377
01:13:11,553 --> 01:13:13,222
[Mike] What about the chewing gum?
1378
01:13:13,222 --> 01:13:15,432
[Adam] I did a bit on some airplanes.
1379
01:13:15,432 --> 01:13:18,685
[Mike] Have you been working on trying
to improve your posture?
1380
01:13:18,685 --> 01:13:19,728
A little bit.
1381
01:13:19,728 --> 01:13:21,355
[Mike]
But you've not really done anything?
1382
01:13:21,355 --> 01:13:23,065
- [Adam] No.
- [Mike] Okay.
1383
01:13:24,817 --> 01:13:26,527
Wider. Close a little bit.
1384
01:13:30,447 --> 01:13:31,990
You gave me the distinct impression
1385
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:34,076
that you didn't want
to do any more treatment
1386
01:13:34,076 --> 01:13:35,369
the last time I talked to you.
1387
01:13:35,369 --> 01:13:36,662
I have no recollection
1388
01:13:36,662 --> 01:13:37,704
- of the last conversation.
- [Mike] Yeah.
1389
01:13:37,704 --> 01:13:38,664
Well, I make notes.
1390
01:13:40,332 --> 01:13:41,875
Orthotropics is completely--
1391
01:13:41,875 --> 01:13:45,838
it's completely compliance-dependent.
1392
01:13:45,838 --> 01:13:49,133
And I'm treating most people
who have no real idea of the benefit
1393
01:13:49,133 --> 01:13:50,384
they're gonna gain from this.
1394
01:13:50,384 --> 01:13:52,761
They don't realize that this is probably
1395
01:13:52,761 --> 01:13:58,058
one of the most important things
they're ever, ever going to do.
1396
01:13:58,058 --> 01:14:00,477
And they can't be bothered
to wear the brace in the afternoons.
1397
01:14:02,646 --> 01:14:05,732
Adam, if you could commit
to chewing gum...
1398
01:14:07,067 --> 01:14:09,278
It's hard to find a steady supply
of certain gum
1399
01:14:09,278 --> 01:14:10,404
- No, no--
- at the moment.
1400
01:14:10,404 --> 01:14:12,489
- [Mike] Just a minute, I will--
- Say what really you've been--
1401
01:14:12,489 --> 01:14:14,366
Don't worry about the logistics, Adam.
1402
01:14:14,366 --> 01:14:15,325
[Adam] Okay.
1403
01:14:15,325 --> 01:14:17,744
[Mike] Think about what would be
the desired outcome.
1404
01:14:17,744 --> 01:14:18,704
All right.
1405
01:14:20,914 --> 01:14:22,082
Thank you, sir.
1406
01:14:22,082 --> 01:14:23,709
Work hard.
1407
01:14:23,709 --> 01:14:24,710
Get back in the Myobrace.
1408
01:14:24,710 --> 01:14:26,211
- Let's talk in two weeks' time.
- Okay.
1409
01:14:26,211 --> 01:14:28,046
All right? Okay. Thank you very much.
1410
01:14:28,046 --> 01:14:29,173
For once, I found someone
1411
01:14:29,173 --> 01:14:32,050
that doesn't squeeze my hand too hard.
1412
01:14:32,050 --> 01:14:33,385
[Mike] That wasn't too hard, was it?
1413
01:14:33,385 --> 01:14:34,678
No, he's saying that it's the first time--
1414
01:14:34,678 --> 01:14:36,180
For once I found someone.
1415
01:14:36,180 --> 01:14:37,681
- [Mike] Okay.
- Yeah.
1416
01:14:37,681 --> 01:14:38,765
So thank you.
1417
01:14:38,765 --> 01:14:40,100
- [Mike] Take care.
- Bye.
1418
01:14:46,023 --> 01:14:49,776
[plucking ukulele]
1419
01:14:49,776 --> 01:14:52,613
[woman] I have no musical training,
no musical background,
1420
01:14:52,613 --> 01:14:56,074
no ability to sing. [laughs]
1421
01:14:56,074 --> 01:14:58,285
I picked up my child's ukulele,
1422
01:14:58,285 --> 01:15:01,413
and suddenly, music started
to flow into me.
1423
01:15:03,957 --> 01:15:06,293
And I wrote this song called "The Lies."
1424
01:15:06,293 --> 01:15:08,253
[laughing] It's seven minutes long.
1425
01:15:08,253 --> 01:15:11,048
[soft music]
1426
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:36,406
♪ Water isn't H20 ♪
1427
01:15:37,157 --> 01:15:42,162
♪ It's a story you've been told ♪
1428
01:15:42,162 --> 01:15:48,252
♪ What is truth and how do you know ♪
1429
01:15:48,252 --> 01:15:52,631
♪ Who's telling those lies ♪
1430
01:15:52,631 --> 01:15:58,136
♪ History, history ♪
1431
01:15:58,804 --> 01:16:03,267
♪ It's a trickster's symphony ♪
1432
01:16:03,267 --> 01:16:08,438
♪ Rockefeller, medicine
And orthodontics too ♪
1433
01:16:08,438 --> 01:16:13,360
♪ Carefully designed
To keep disease in you ♪
1434
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:18,991
♪ If you won't see
When you're being fooled ♪
1435
01:16:18,991 --> 01:16:24,329
♪ Parasites over you will rule ♪
1436
01:16:24,329 --> 01:16:29,668
♪ Ooh, the lies we've been sold ♪
1437
01:16:29,668 --> 01:16:35,590
♪ Re-examine everything you're told ♪
1438
01:16:41,597 --> 01:16:42,806
[sighs]
1439
01:16:43,390 --> 01:16:44,266
[exhaling shakily]
1440
01:16:46,101 --> 01:16:47,769
Whoa, this trial. I mean, you know--
1441
01:16:48,520 --> 01:16:50,314
You know, I should be
clinically depressed.
1442
01:16:50,314 --> 01:16:52,232
Whoa, whoa. Over the top.
1443
01:16:52,232 --> 01:16:54,026
The reason I'm not
is 'cause I'm on a mission.
1444
01:16:54,026 --> 01:16:55,611
We're now two months away.
1445
01:16:55,611 --> 01:16:57,571
And I'm agitated-- I go to bed agitated.
1446
01:16:57,571 --> 01:16:59,615
I wake up in the middle
of the night agitated.
1447
01:16:59,615 --> 01:17:01,950
And I've got so much to do
that I haven't done yet,
1448
01:17:01,950 --> 01:17:03,785
you know, just mountains of work.
1449
01:17:03,785 --> 01:17:05,537
{\an8}Let's break up tasks.
Then I can sit and get on.
1450
01:17:05,537 --> 01:17:06,955
{\an8}Yeah, so that's the one thing.
1451
01:17:06,955 --> 01:17:08,874
{\an8}Because I'll need some quiet time
for me to get on with.
1452
01:17:08,874 --> 01:17:11,126
{\an8}I would have liked to be
so much further ahead.
1453
01:17:11,126 --> 01:17:13,795
I would have liked to have
so much more media engagement.
1454
01:17:13,795 --> 01:17:15,964
I've gotta increase the web presence
as much as possible.
1455
01:17:15,964 --> 01:17:19,760
And I'm just so behind
where I wanted to be.
1456
01:17:19,760 --> 01:17:22,429
You know, having to phone Dianne up
and plan the video we're gonna do.
1457
01:17:22,429 --> 01:17:25,307
And it--it's really hard.
1458
01:17:25,307 --> 01:17:28,268
How's about, shall go see
if I can watch those two videos?
1459
01:17:28,268 --> 01:17:29,394
[Dianne] Yes.
1460
01:17:29,394 --> 01:17:30,687
That might be the best thing.
1461
01:17:30,687 --> 01:17:32,397
Okay, let me watch.
1462
01:17:32,397 --> 01:17:34,274
- [Dianne] Before tomorrow--
- [John] I would have joined in
1463
01:17:34,274 --> 01:17:35,692
if I'd known there was a discussion.
1464
01:17:35,692 --> 01:17:37,444
- It doesn't matter.
- [laughs] Yes.
1465
01:17:37,444 --> 01:17:40,238
Lots of points I would
have liked to have made.
1466
01:17:40,238 --> 01:17:41,615
But there's always a discussion.
1467
01:17:41,615 --> 01:17:43,492
- Always a discussion.
- [John] Nobody tells me anything.
1468
01:17:43,492 --> 01:17:45,327
[Dianne] You've got the family you have
1469
01:17:45,327 --> 01:17:47,037
and then the family you choose.
1470
01:17:47,037 --> 01:17:50,624
And we kind of chose the Mews.
And I think that's mutual.
1471
01:17:50,624 --> 01:17:52,834
So yeah, that's a good feeling.
1472
01:17:52,834 --> 01:17:55,128
{\an8}I want a real glamour shot, yeah.
1473
01:17:55,128 --> 01:17:57,381
{\an8}[man] Yeah, I'd like to have
a real glamour shot
1474
01:17:57,381 --> 01:17:59,007
{\an8}of the two of you,
and Bill in the background.
1475
01:17:59,007 --> 01:18:00,133
{\an8}- I'll lean forward.
- How's my jaw?
1476
01:18:00,133 --> 01:18:01,343
- Then it will be bigger.
- Yeah.
1477
01:18:01,343 --> 01:18:03,053
[Dianne] We live in Broek in Waterland,
1478
01:18:03,053 --> 01:18:05,722
which is a very small town near Amsterdam.
1479
01:18:05,722 --> 01:18:07,349
And I've got this receded chin.
1480
01:18:07,349 --> 01:18:08,809
And I always thought, "Well, you know,
1481
01:18:08,809 --> 01:18:10,727
that's just genetics
you don't know about."
1482
01:18:10,727 --> 01:18:14,231
But I think it was somewhere on Facebook
that somebody posted something like,
1483
01:18:14,231 --> 01:18:17,484
"You have to see this video
because it will change your life forever."
1484
01:18:17,484 --> 01:18:18,819
I was like, "Yeah, right."
1485
01:18:18,819 --> 01:18:21,071
But that was a video by Mike
1486
01:18:21,071 --> 01:18:23,615
doing the 21st Century Man convention.
1487
01:18:23,615 --> 01:18:26,576
And he was talking about all these things.
And then everything clicked.
1488
01:18:26,576 --> 01:18:28,412
It's like, "Oh, I've got this.
I've got this.
1489
01:18:28,412 --> 01:18:29,871
I've got this. I've got this."
1490
01:18:29,871 --> 01:18:33,291
And then one day, he asked for people
1491
01:18:33,291 --> 01:18:35,627
to come help with his YouTube channel.
1492
01:18:35,627 --> 01:18:38,171
And I thought,
"Why don't just drop this man
1493
01:18:38,171 --> 01:18:40,424
a letter or email?"
1494
01:18:40,424 --> 01:18:43,969
He said, "Yeah, well, I'm in a castle
next weekend with my family.
1495
01:18:43,969 --> 01:18:45,429
Do you want to come over?"
1496
01:18:45,429 --> 01:18:49,766
And we're like, "That's kind of weird,
but just let's-- let's go."
1497
01:18:49,766 --> 01:18:51,476
Let's-- You know, I've got twin boys.
1498
01:18:51,476 --> 01:18:55,313
Let's just go to England
and meet this YouTube guy
1499
01:18:55,313 --> 01:18:56,481
and see if we can help.
1500
01:18:56,481 --> 01:19:00,485
[soft music]
1501
01:19:00,485 --> 01:19:03,363
We were coming down here,
and we saw the castle,
1502
01:19:03,363 --> 01:19:05,449
and it just felt unreal.
1503
01:19:05,449 --> 01:19:06,867
[indistinct chatter]
1504
01:19:06,867 --> 01:19:09,703
[laughing]
1505
01:19:09,703 --> 01:19:13,373
[indistinct chatter]
1506
01:19:13,373 --> 01:19:16,293
It felt like we were welcomed
in some kind of Italian family.
1507
01:19:16,293 --> 01:19:18,795
And it clicked, just clicked.
1508
01:19:18,795 --> 01:19:21,423
[indistinct chatter]
1509
01:19:21,423 --> 01:19:26,720
I do think Mike
changes life for some, as he did mine.
1510
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,932
To some of the Mews,
he's like the new god and messiah.
1511
01:19:30,932 --> 01:19:33,727
Well, maybe he is. Who knows?
1512
01:19:33,727 --> 01:19:38,190
For him, he's just
trying to do his best, like Jesus was.
1513
01:19:38,190 --> 01:19:39,691
[laughs]
1514
01:19:39,691 --> 01:19:41,359
We're gonna talk about--
the video we're gonna do now.
1515
01:19:41,359 --> 01:19:42,861
- Oh, yeah, let's go upstairs.
- Okay?
1516
01:19:42,861 --> 01:19:45,530
Wait, wait, just a little bit of planning.
So we're gonna go upstairs
1517
01:19:45,530 --> 01:19:47,699
and we're gonna start
by saying that we need
1518
01:19:47,699 --> 01:19:50,535
more nuance to the idea of beauty.
1519
01:19:51,953 --> 01:19:54,790
Don't respond just yet.
Just wait until we're upstairs.
1520
01:19:54,790 --> 01:19:57,292
- [John] I can do that, all right.
- [Mike] Okay.
1521
01:19:57,292 --> 01:19:58,960
[John] We should do.
1522
01:19:58,960 --> 01:20:00,253
[groans]
1523
01:20:00,253 --> 01:20:02,422
No, no, no. That's just the way it is.
1524
01:20:02,422 --> 01:20:03,465
We're YouTubers.
1525
01:20:03,465 --> 01:20:05,592
[speaking indistinctly]
1526
01:20:05,592 --> 01:20:08,678
I'm just trying to quickly
1527
01:20:08,678 --> 01:20:11,681
put together
a PowerPoint presentation as we speak.
1528
01:20:11,681 --> 01:20:14,434
- It sounds a bit late for all that.
- Well, yeah--
1529
01:20:14,434 --> 01:20:16,436
Don't we just want to chat?
1530
01:20:16,436 --> 01:20:18,855
Okay, we're ready to go.
1531
01:20:25,862 --> 01:20:27,239
Hi, and welcome.
1532
01:20:27,239 --> 01:20:28,532
I'm sitting with my father,
1533
01:20:28,532 --> 01:20:30,158
{\an8}and today we're gonna talk about
1534
01:20:30,158 --> 01:20:34,996
{\an8}some more nuances to facial attractiveness
than just a square face.
1535
01:20:34,996 --> 01:20:38,041
So, Dad, I've got an image here.
1536
01:20:38,041 --> 01:20:42,254
These people had physically
better facial form
1537
01:20:42,254 --> 01:20:43,839
from a health perspective.
1538
01:20:43,839 --> 01:20:46,049
[John] I look at those faces,
1539
01:20:46,049 --> 01:20:48,176
and they don't terribly appeal to me.
1540
01:20:48,176 --> 01:20:51,471
I'm always attracted
to dimples in the cheeks
1541
01:20:51,471 --> 01:20:53,306
and there are very few there.
1542
01:20:53,306 --> 01:20:55,225
[Mike] Remember-- Sorry--
1543
01:20:55,225 --> 01:20:56,434
Remember to look at the camera.
1544
01:20:56,434 --> 01:20:59,020
Well, I'm talking to the interviewer.
1545
01:20:59,020 --> 01:21:01,439
If I have to talk about anything,
1546
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:04,317
I find it very difficult
to be directed on this.
1547
01:21:04,317 --> 01:21:05,569
[Mike] So we need to be--
1548
01:21:05,569 --> 01:21:07,779
And I can see all sorts
of difficulties already.
1549
01:21:07,779 --> 01:21:09,656
But that's what we want to discuss.
1550
01:21:09,656 --> 01:21:11,366
Yes, I've got very specific ideas.
1551
01:21:11,366 --> 01:21:12,951
- Fine, first of all, we--
- [John] Absolutely.
1552
01:21:12,951 --> 01:21:15,203
First of all-- Wait.
1553
01:21:15,203 --> 01:21:16,413
This is Rubens.
1554
01:21:16,413 --> 01:21:17,664
- [overlapping speech]
- [John] Many times.
1555
01:21:17,664 --> 01:21:19,165
[Mike] Many times, it's not a new one.
1556
01:21:19,165 --> 01:21:20,667
- [John] Yes. No.
- At the time,
1557
01:21:20,667 --> 01:21:22,127
this is what was considered attractive.
1558
01:21:22,127 --> 01:21:24,087
[John] That time, there's no doubt
1559
01:21:24,087 --> 01:21:26,256
that fat people were considered,
1560
01:21:27,549 --> 01:21:30,760
shall I say, more attractive,
more appealing,
1561
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,054
I think, would perhaps a better word.
1562
01:21:33,054 --> 01:21:34,431
[Mike] And then, of course, we've moved on
1563
01:21:34,431 --> 01:21:36,975
to this era of these
incredibly thin models.
1564
01:21:36,975 --> 01:21:39,644
[John] Yes. I have always preferred
1565
01:21:39,644 --> 01:21:44,566
the 38", 22", 36" shape myself.
1566
01:21:44,566 --> 01:21:48,320
And I actually think that's probably
a little bit more natural.
1567
01:21:48,320 --> 01:21:52,282
And looking at our ancestors
of 20,000 years ago,
1568
01:21:52,282 --> 01:21:54,826
they hardly had any such mouths.
1569
01:21:54,826 --> 01:21:56,870
Now they're relatively common.
1570
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:58,538
I've not seen research on that.
1571
01:21:58,538 --> 01:22:02,417
No. No, nor have I.
1572
01:22:02,417 --> 01:22:04,836
So you've just-- [laughter]
1573
01:22:04,836 --> 01:22:08,465
Remember, I am someone
who is a lateral thinker.
1574
01:22:08,465 --> 01:22:09,758
Yeah, yeah, I--
1575
01:22:09,758 --> 01:22:11,718
And I have very little science.
1576
01:22:11,718 --> 01:22:13,803
- It's mostly logic.
- But--but--
1577
01:22:13,803 --> 01:22:17,515
I mean, my biggest problem
often is my father.
1578
01:22:18,516 --> 01:22:21,353
I'm certain that, to some extent,
1579
01:22:21,353 --> 01:22:24,147
my father stands in the way
of his own legacy
1580
01:22:24,147 --> 01:22:27,192
by being so pigheaded and obstinate.
1581
01:22:27,192 --> 01:22:28,443
- All right.
- Thank you for watching.
1582
01:22:28,443 --> 01:22:29,986
[Mike] Thank you very much for watching.
1583
01:22:29,986 --> 01:22:31,780
- I'll see you next time.
- [Mike] See you next time.
1584
01:22:32,656 --> 01:22:34,699
Thank you very much for watching.
See you next time.
1585
01:22:34,699 --> 01:22:36,534
Uh, something--
1586
01:22:36,534 --> 01:22:38,703
Yeah, you need editing.
But that's, uh-- Yeah.
1587
01:22:38,703 --> 01:22:40,330
You know, well,
they say you should never work
1588
01:22:40,330 --> 01:22:43,375
with animals and children or your father.
1589
01:22:43,375 --> 01:22:44,751
[laughter]
1590
01:22:47,629 --> 01:22:50,423
[Rosie] Okay, let's just get
a little bit more around your ears here.
1591
01:22:53,009 --> 01:22:55,387
Try not to cut your
hearing aid off, though, eh?
1592
01:22:59,391 --> 01:23:02,477
[laughing]
1593
01:23:04,396 --> 01:23:06,189
There you go, Popsies.
1594
01:23:07,023 --> 01:23:08,400
- Beautiful.
- Right, thank you.
1595
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:10,527
Don't leave me over here.
1596
01:23:10,527 --> 01:23:12,904
[Rosie] Okay, hang on. I'm coming back.
I'm coming.
1597
01:23:14,781 --> 01:23:18,451
Well, unfortunately, the years count on.
1598
01:23:18,451 --> 01:23:22,706
And nowadays,
almost all my friends have died.
1599
01:23:22,706 --> 01:23:26,751
I must say that my friends
that died when they were young
1600
01:23:26,751 --> 01:23:29,337
had fantastic funerals.
1601
01:23:29,337 --> 01:23:33,091
But when I die, there's going--
Nobody's going to be there.
1602
01:23:33,091 --> 01:23:34,467
Don't worry about that, Dad. I--
1603
01:23:34,467 --> 01:23:35,927
[laughing] I have--
1604
01:23:35,927 --> 01:23:38,847
- You'll make sure it's a good send-off.
- I'll make sure you get a good send-off.
1605
01:23:38,847 --> 01:23:41,975
Right, with lots of alcohol.
1606
01:23:41,975 --> 01:23:44,018
With lots of-- Yes, yes,
shame I don't drink anymore.
1607
01:23:44,018 --> 01:23:46,354
Yes, let's have a bloody good party.
1608
01:23:46,354 --> 01:23:47,647
[laughing]
1609
01:23:47,647 --> 01:23:50,608
- [Bill] Mike, for your campaign website...
- Yes?
1610
01:23:50,608 --> 01:23:52,902
- When does it need to be live?
- [Mike] Thursday.
1611
01:23:52,902 --> 01:23:54,654
What's happening on Thursday?
1612
01:23:54,654 --> 01:23:57,032
Thursday, I'm gonna dress up
as Martin Luther.
1613
01:23:57,032 --> 01:23:58,950
Are you? How wonderful.
1614
01:23:58,950 --> 01:24:01,870
So then I'm gonna go in.
I'm gonna hammer my ten principles
1615
01:24:01,870 --> 01:24:03,580
to the door of the GDC.
1616
01:24:03,580 --> 01:24:06,875
Can I just inquire, why--
why Martin Luther King?
1617
01:24:06,875 --> 01:24:08,877
[Mike] It's not Martin Luther King.
It's Martin Luther.
1618
01:24:08,877 --> 01:24:11,963
Martin Luther was
a Protestant who nailed--
1619
01:24:11,963 --> 01:24:15,800
Rosie, there's no--
there's no flame under this chorizo.
1620
01:24:15,800 --> 01:24:17,886
Yes, I just turned it off
'cause I'm not quite ready.
1621
01:24:17,886 --> 01:24:20,096
[Mike] Okay. All right.
1622
01:24:20,096 --> 01:24:23,308
[Bill] So he set out Protestant principles
1623
01:24:23,308 --> 01:24:25,143
against the Catholic Church.
1624
01:24:25,143 --> 01:24:26,102
Right.
1625
01:24:26,102 --> 01:24:27,812
But he started
the Protestant church, basically.
1626
01:24:27,812 --> 01:24:29,647
And how do you dress as Martin Luther?
1627
01:24:29,647 --> 01:24:30,732
- I don't know.
- What does that--
1628
01:24:30,732 --> 01:24:31,733
what does a Protestant look like?
1629
01:24:31,733 --> 01:24:33,735
- Have you sorted out a costume?
- Have you got a costume?
1630
01:24:33,735 --> 01:24:34,736
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
1631
01:24:34,736 --> 01:24:36,905
[John] Remember, the Germans
1632
01:24:36,905 --> 01:24:39,324
wore different clothes than the English.
1633
01:24:40,158 --> 01:24:42,285
- I'm not sure about the--
- [laughter]
1634
01:24:42,285 --> 01:24:44,662
I'm not sure about
the historical accuracy.
1635
01:24:44,662 --> 01:24:46,998
- [laughter]
- [Bill] Are you very worried
1636
01:24:46,998 --> 01:24:48,792
that the orthodontic establishment
1637
01:24:48,792 --> 01:24:51,085
will have you up on inaccurate dress?
1638
01:24:51,085 --> 01:24:52,295
[Mike] Yeah, I don't know.
1639
01:24:52,295 --> 01:24:55,173
I think damage to the door
might be top of their priority.
1640
01:24:56,633 --> 01:24:58,259
But you could just hammer--
1641
01:24:58,259 --> 01:25:00,220
[Mike]
How long has that asparagus been on?
1642
01:25:00,220 --> 01:25:02,305
It's got one minute, 18 to go.
1643
01:25:02,305 --> 01:25:03,973
Mike, I do mean this.
1644
01:25:03,973 --> 01:25:07,435
You need to have
a proper document drawn up
1645
01:25:07,435 --> 01:25:12,774
with the capital letters
in gold trimmed with red.
1646
01:25:12,774 --> 01:25:15,068
Right. Did you get that, Mike?
1647
01:25:15,068 --> 01:25:16,027
- It's very important.
- Way beyond
1648
01:25:16,027 --> 01:25:18,404
my calligraphy skills, so yes,
1649
01:25:18,404 --> 01:25:21,032
it'll be one of those days
where it'll all work out on the day.
1650
01:25:21,032 --> 01:25:22,617
Let's not worry too much about it.
1651
01:25:24,494 --> 01:25:28,540
[light percussive music]
1652
01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:31,042
[Stephen] Dr. Mew is obviously
a real character.
1653
01:25:31,042 --> 01:25:34,462
He's quite eccentric,
which I don't mind at all.
1654
01:25:34,462 --> 01:25:38,091
But we have to pull back
from being a bit crazy,
1655
01:25:38,091 --> 01:25:42,512
because there is a fine balance
between an eccentric professor type
1656
01:25:42,512 --> 01:25:44,305
and someone who's a bit crazy.
1657
01:25:44,305 --> 01:25:46,474
And to dress up as Martin Luther
1658
01:25:46,474 --> 01:25:50,061
would just be a sort of
a flippant thing to do.
1659
01:25:50,061 --> 01:25:55,191
And when you're going into
the GDC in a few months' time,
1660
01:25:55,191 --> 01:25:57,152
you don't want to walk past
their front door
1661
01:25:57,152 --> 01:26:01,281
with the nail marks in it
from where you pinned your request.
1662
01:26:01,281 --> 01:26:03,241
It just doesn't--
I can't see how it helps.
1663
01:26:03,241 --> 01:26:05,368
So I just said to him
I thought it was crazy
1664
01:26:05,368 --> 01:26:06,953
and not to do it,
1665
01:26:06,953 --> 01:26:08,872
and I would expect him
to follow my advice.
1666
01:26:08,872 --> 01:26:11,666
[solemn music]
1667
01:26:20,466 --> 01:26:23,970
[vocalizing]
1668
01:26:38,026 --> 01:26:39,569
[grunts] I got my...
1669
01:27:00,548 --> 01:27:05,303
Roughly a decade ago,
my father stood at this very spot
1670
01:27:05,303 --> 01:27:06,721
with a sandwich board
1671
01:27:07,472 --> 01:27:11,559
trying to raise awareness
of basically the same issues.
1672
01:27:12,810 --> 01:27:16,022
And, yeah, it didn't get anywhere.
1673
01:27:18,775 --> 01:27:21,194
And half of the reason I'm pushing so hard
1674
01:27:21,194 --> 01:27:24,113
is to gain him some recognition
1675
01:27:24,113 --> 01:27:28,159
while he's still capable
of appreciating it.
1676
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,754
{\an8}So here's my statement
to the world, to the GDC.
1677
01:27:39,754 --> 01:27:41,965
"For too long, our concerns
1678
01:27:41,965 --> 01:27:45,635
have not been heard or debated.
1679
01:27:45,635 --> 01:27:48,096
My speciality was becoming
1680
01:27:48,096 --> 01:27:50,473
more of a religion than a science.
1681
01:27:50,473 --> 01:27:53,434
We want the truth, the whole truth,
and no dogma."
1682
01:27:53,434 --> 01:27:57,772
I've signed this Martin Luther Mew.
1683
01:27:57,772 --> 01:28:00,358
And I was going to nail
1684
01:28:00,358 --> 01:28:03,695
one of these statements to the front door,
1685
01:28:03,695 --> 01:28:08,324
but I'm just cautious of imagery
that could be used to defame me.
1686
01:28:08,324 --> 01:28:11,035
Now I've gotta play the game, you know?
I've got to win this.
1687
01:28:11,035 --> 01:28:13,538
I've got to win this for everyone.
I've gotta win this.
1688
01:28:14,914 --> 01:28:16,582
[Rosie] I worry the slight pressure
1689
01:28:16,582 --> 01:28:18,710
that Dad's putting on Mike,
1690
01:28:18,710 --> 01:28:22,380
not in a nasty way, but just,
"We're almost there,
1691
01:28:22,380 --> 01:28:23,798
we're almost there, we're almost there.
1692
01:28:23,798 --> 01:28:25,633
If we just, if we just, if we just."
1693
01:28:25,633 --> 01:28:30,179
So it's like this
massive drive at the moment.
1694
01:28:30,179 --> 01:28:35,059
I think Michael is almost more driven
or more focused than Dad.
1695
01:28:35,059 --> 01:28:39,063
Dad-- I mean, Dad has done everything
1696
01:28:39,063 --> 01:28:41,190
and been everywhere.
1697
01:28:41,190 --> 01:28:43,318
If I was to die and be reincarnated
1698
01:28:43,318 --> 01:28:46,487
as anyone in the world,
I would come back as Dad.
1699
01:28:46,487 --> 01:28:47,572
[laughs] Sorry. [speaking indistinctly]
1700
01:28:47,572 --> 01:28:49,032
'Cause he's done-- he's done--
1701
01:28:49,032 --> 01:28:51,909
- He has.
- I know you have. I know.
1702
01:28:51,909 --> 01:28:54,162
But his life, not your life, his life.
1703
01:28:54,162 --> 01:28:55,913
- Michael, I worry about him
- [Mike] I'd just be
1704
01:28:55,913 --> 01:28:57,123
- slightly because he is...
- an absolute--
1705
01:28:57,123 --> 01:28:58,249
[Mike] There's no point.
1706
01:28:58,249 --> 01:29:00,793
[Rosie] ...totally insanely focused
on orthotropics
1707
01:29:00,793 --> 01:29:02,253
and has nothing outside of it.
1708
01:29:02,253 --> 01:29:03,755
- And I think part of it--
- Not nothing.
1709
01:29:03,755 --> 01:29:05,006
Not nothing, no, no, no. But you're--
1710
01:29:05,006 --> 01:29:06,049
Less than I should.
1711
01:29:06,049 --> 01:29:07,717
You're 80%.
1712
01:29:07,717 --> 01:29:10,261
[upbeat music]
1713
01:29:12,972 --> 01:29:15,850
- [Mike] I mean, he's lived it to the full.
- You know, he was a racing car driver.
1714
01:29:15,850 --> 01:29:18,644
He holds records at Brands Hatch.
1715
01:29:18,644 --> 01:29:19,771
[Mike] He happened to be--
1716
01:29:19,771 --> 01:29:21,522
[Rosie] He says-- He's, like,
the oldest person ever
1717
01:29:21,522 --> 01:29:22,857
- to get their Yachtmasters.
- [Mike] Yeah.
1718
01:29:22,857 --> 01:29:24,817
- He's, you know--
- Skiing history.
1719
01:29:24,817 --> 01:29:26,277
[Rosie] Jousting.
1720
01:29:26,277 --> 01:29:29,697
On horseback with a large jousting lance.
1721
01:29:29,697 --> 01:29:30,782
Charging at someone else.
1722
01:29:30,782 --> 01:29:32,450
[Bill] Charging to--
somewhat out of control.
1723
01:29:32,450 --> 01:29:34,118
{\an8}[Rosie] He doesn't ride horses.
1724
01:29:34,118 --> 01:29:36,746
And then he said, "Okay,
we're gonna build a castle.
1725
01:29:36,746 --> 01:29:39,040
Kids, we're gonna build
a castle on an island
1726
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:40,249
in the middle of a lake."
1727
01:29:40,249 --> 01:29:41,959
And we all went, "Yeah, okay, Dad."
1728
01:29:41,959 --> 01:29:44,170
[Mike] You know, all our friends
thought we were bonkers,
1729
01:29:44,170 --> 01:29:46,798
- more so, more so than they did before.
- Yeah, yeah.
1730
01:29:48,966 --> 01:29:51,594
[Mike] But mind you, I sometimes
think him building the castle
1731
01:29:51,594 --> 01:29:53,846
was a little bit like Churchill's war.
1732
01:29:54,847 --> 01:29:55,723
- You know, when--
- Therapeutic.
1733
01:29:55,723 --> 01:29:57,642
- Therapeutic, yes.
- [laughter]
1734
01:29:57,642 --> 01:29:59,727
It took his mind off--
1735
01:29:59,727 --> 01:30:01,229
the wilderness, yeah, well, he may as well
1736
01:30:01,229 --> 01:30:02,688
- 'cause he has forever.
- Well, I know I think
1737
01:30:02,688 --> 01:30:05,274
he thought that Biobloc and orthotropics
1738
01:30:05,274 --> 01:30:06,818
was going to hit in quicker.
1739
01:30:06,818 --> 01:30:08,820
And he just got so frustrated.
1740
01:30:08,820 --> 01:30:11,364
He said, "I need
something else for a legacy."
1741
01:30:11,364 --> 01:30:13,157
[pensive music playing]
1742
01:30:13,157 --> 01:30:17,286
[John] You've learned enough about me
to know that I'm a busy boy.
1743
01:30:17,286 --> 01:30:20,748
I'm always wanting to do something.
1744
01:30:20,748 --> 01:30:22,542
Um...
1745
01:30:22,542 --> 01:30:24,627
it's in Word, I think.
1746
01:30:24,627 --> 01:30:26,295
Well, I'll get it here.
1747
01:30:26,295 --> 01:30:27,839
I'll find it quicker.
1748
01:30:29,590 --> 01:30:30,716
Ah.
1749
01:30:30,716 --> 01:30:33,219
"Thank you so much, Dr. Mew.
1750
01:30:33,219 --> 01:30:36,973
Your study is worth a Nobel Prize.
1751
01:30:36,973 --> 01:30:41,727
It feels so good that
there are still honorable men
1752
01:30:41,727 --> 01:30:46,023
like Dr. Mew and his son Dr. Mike Mew
1753
01:30:46,023 --> 01:30:49,777
in the evil world of dentistry."
That's a bit strong.
1754
01:30:53,114 --> 01:30:55,741
[Dr. Peter] I'll tell you, John Mew's life
1755
01:30:55,741 --> 01:31:00,496
would be infinitely better
and more fulfilled
1756
01:31:00,496 --> 01:31:04,458
if he had the orthodontists of the world
1757
01:31:04,458 --> 01:31:07,628
beating a path to his door and saying,
1758
01:31:07,628 --> 01:31:12,008
"We admire you. We respect you.
You are our guru."
1759
01:31:13,509 --> 01:31:19,056
{\an8}He--he needs respect,
and he needs adulation.
1760
01:31:19,056 --> 01:31:23,227
And I don't think it matters to him
all that much where it comes from
1761
01:31:23,227 --> 01:31:24,896
as long as he gets the adulation.
1762
01:31:26,355 --> 01:31:29,692
However, I think John Mew has, uh...
1763
01:31:31,986 --> 01:31:35,907
Actually done something good,
at long last, in his life.
1764
01:31:35,907 --> 01:31:40,077
He's done something good
by making you interested
1765
01:31:40,077 --> 01:31:42,663
in making this documentary,
1766
01:31:42,663 --> 01:31:44,957
because it brings to the surface
1767
01:31:44,957 --> 01:31:47,376
a number of issues
1768
01:31:47,376 --> 01:31:50,296
which characterize orthodontics.
1769
01:31:50,296 --> 01:31:52,173
[dramatic music]
1770
01:31:52,173 --> 01:31:54,342
Whether it's John Mew doing it
1771
01:31:54,342 --> 01:31:58,429
{\an8}or whether it's the average
good guy orthodontist.
1772
01:31:58,429 --> 01:32:00,848
{\an8}Only those dentists
who successfully complete
1773
01:32:00,848 --> 01:32:02,725
specialist training are entitled
1774
01:32:02,725 --> 01:32:04,143
to call themselves orthodontists.
1775
01:32:05,061 --> 01:32:07,146
And orthodontists understand
tooth movement
1776
01:32:07,146 --> 01:32:09,482
and the guidance of facial development.
1777
01:32:09,482 --> 01:32:12,568
Orthodontists do one thing,
and we do it well.
1778
01:32:12,568 --> 01:32:14,612
Orthodontics has become a business.
1779
01:32:15,905 --> 01:32:18,824
And because orthodontists
have to sell something,
1780
01:32:18,824 --> 01:32:20,409
they fabricate things.
1781
01:32:22,370 --> 01:32:23,579
There are no diseases
1782
01:32:23,579 --> 01:32:27,124
associated with malocclusion
at all-- None.
1783
01:32:27,124 --> 01:32:29,335
[clattering]
1784
01:32:31,087 --> 01:32:34,048
But if there is no disease,
what are you measuring?
1785
01:32:34,048 --> 01:32:36,926
It's purely subjective.
It doesn't matter a damn.
1786
01:32:37,927 --> 01:32:41,097
How do the Mews convince people
1787
01:32:41,097 --> 01:32:43,933
that there is some merit in what they say?
1788
01:32:43,933 --> 01:32:48,813
They do it partly by terminology,
by medicalizing orthodontics.
1789
01:32:48,813 --> 01:32:53,567
How many adults are gonna die
ten or 20 years early
1790
01:32:53,567 --> 01:32:55,486
because of craniofacial dystrophy?
1791
01:32:55,486 --> 01:32:57,655
And you're made to feel guilty
1792
01:32:57,655 --> 01:32:59,824
if you don't save your child
1793
01:32:59,824 --> 01:33:02,576
{\an8}from this horrible thing
that they might have
1794
01:33:02,576 --> 01:33:04,245
{\an8}if they don't get the treatment.
1795
01:33:04,245 --> 01:33:06,163
{\an8}To me, you're doing a public service
1796
01:33:06,163 --> 01:33:09,166
{\an8}by exposing these fictions
1797
01:33:09,166 --> 01:33:11,877
which are dressed up as health needs.
1798
01:33:11,877 --> 01:33:14,422
Here we are.
Now put your jaw forward, can you?
1799
01:33:14,422 --> 01:33:15,923
That's right.
1800
01:33:15,923 --> 01:33:17,925
[Dr. Peter] John Mew is not unique.
1801
01:33:17,925 --> 01:33:21,012
What he's doing is just a replication
1802
01:33:21,012 --> 01:33:23,347
of the same shoddy orthodontics.
1803
01:33:23,347 --> 01:33:26,183
I don't care whether he calls it
orthoptics or whatever.
1804
01:33:26,183 --> 01:33:28,394
He is just a continuation
1805
01:33:28,394 --> 01:33:31,063
of what's been going on for more years
1806
01:33:31,063 --> 01:33:33,649
than John Mew has been in orthodontics.
1807
01:33:33,649 --> 01:33:37,153
Orthodontists are simply there
to straighten your teeth,
1808
01:33:37,153 --> 01:33:39,613
make your face look as good as possible,
1809
01:33:39,613 --> 01:33:41,032
and that should be good enough.
1810
01:33:42,074 --> 01:33:44,035
It's just like being a hairdresser.
1811
01:33:44,035 --> 01:33:46,245
I'll hold the mirror.
Now you try that yourself.
1812
01:33:50,207 --> 01:33:51,417
That's right. Now...
1813
01:33:51,417 --> 01:33:53,794
[Dr. Peter]
And that's why I think, ultimately,
1814
01:33:53,794 --> 01:33:57,590
orthodontics,
including the Mew phenomenon,
1815
01:33:57,590 --> 01:33:59,675
is destined to die.
1816
01:33:59,675 --> 01:34:02,678
You can fool some
of the people all of the time,
1817
01:34:03,804 --> 01:34:07,224
but you're not going to succeed,
because people see through it.
1818
01:34:08,559 --> 01:34:11,520
[Leo]
It's extraordinary that someone can say
1819
01:34:11,520 --> 01:34:14,148
people's face should look like this.
1820
01:34:14,148 --> 01:34:16,317
[Quentin] It's subjective, isn't it?
So how can you define it?
1821
01:34:16,317 --> 01:34:18,319
- Well, it's appalling, really.
- [Quentin] How can you define it?
1822
01:34:18,319 --> 01:34:20,988
- Isn't it? When I think about it.
- The nose to teeth is 38 millimeters.
1823
01:34:20,988 --> 01:34:23,240
Yeah, I mean, how--
1824
01:34:23,240 --> 01:34:27,244
I mean, if he thought that Quentin's face
1825
01:34:27,244 --> 01:34:29,955
could be perfect, and yet he'd be--
1826
01:34:30,956 --> 01:34:33,459
and let Ben go
and have any old treatment--
1827
01:34:33,459 --> 01:34:37,421
But mine was already perfect,
so I didn't need... [laughter]
1828
01:34:37,421 --> 01:34:38,381
Yeah, but--
1829
01:34:38,381 --> 01:34:40,091
Well, actually,
that's not a bad thing for us,
1830
01:34:40,091 --> 01:34:43,928
'cause we wanted to get to that point
where we had our own identity,
1831
01:34:43,928 --> 01:34:45,930
to get to a point where,
if that is the case
1832
01:34:45,930 --> 01:34:48,432
that John Mew thinks everyone should have
1833
01:34:48,432 --> 01:34:53,187
a set distance between nose line and chin,
1834
01:34:53,187 --> 01:34:55,147
then that eradicates that identity,
1835
01:34:55,147 --> 01:34:59,235
individualism, and-- which is--
1836
01:34:59,235 --> 01:35:01,195
that's gotta be questionable.
1837
01:35:01,195 --> 01:35:03,989
[sizzling]
1838
01:35:21,799 --> 01:35:23,300
So it's almost time.
1839
01:35:23,300 --> 01:35:26,262
I've gotta head up
to this case at the GDC.
1840
01:35:26,262 --> 01:35:27,721
This is the first day.
1841
01:35:27,721 --> 01:35:31,976
I've already been warned that they want
to consider delaying it.
1842
01:35:31,976 --> 01:35:33,477
What you call it?
Adjourning it for a while.
1843
01:35:33,477 --> 01:35:37,022
It's a disaster for me.
I mean, however, into London we go.
1844
01:35:37,022 --> 01:35:38,983
[dramatic music]
1845
01:35:38,983 --> 01:35:42,153
{\an8}Some orthodontists
are calling Mewing a scam
1846
01:35:42,153 --> 01:35:46,031
{\an8}and trying to revoke his dental license.
1847
01:35:46,031 --> 01:35:49,577
{\an8}So go sign the petition in the link below
1848
01:35:49,577 --> 01:35:52,371
{\an8}to help save Mike Mew's
orthodontic license.
1849
01:35:52,371 --> 01:35:57,668
[Mike] The buildup to this day
has been at least five years.
1850
01:35:58,502 --> 01:36:02,506
Zarina was one year old when this started.
1851
01:36:02,506 --> 01:36:06,177
She's now six, so most of her life.
1852
01:36:15,394 --> 01:36:18,898
{\an8}Dr. Mew, thank you for agreeing
to join me on JawHacks
1853
01:36:18,898 --> 01:36:21,317
{\an8}to discuss your situation.
1854
01:36:21,317 --> 01:36:22,985
{\an8}You are going up against what seems to be
1855
01:36:22,985 --> 01:36:24,778
{\an8}this tidal wave of orthodontists.
1856
01:36:24,778 --> 01:36:26,947
[man] It's almost like a kind
of information warfare
1857
01:36:26,947 --> 01:36:27,907
that they're levying against you,
1858
01:36:27,907 --> 01:36:31,160
and I can see that it's put you
1859
01:36:31,160 --> 01:36:32,953
at a great amount of distress.
1860
01:36:32,953 --> 01:36:37,166
Now, do you think if you had
never become a YouTube legend
1861
01:36:37,166 --> 01:36:39,251
with your ideas that have, quite frankly,
1862
01:36:39,251 --> 01:36:42,004
lifted so many young people
up out of despair,
1863
01:36:42,004 --> 01:36:44,381
would you have been spared the gauntlet?
1864
01:36:44,381 --> 01:36:45,674
[Mike] Uh, with no question.
1865
01:36:49,970 --> 01:36:52,973
I'm really surprised
how much it's affected my wife.
1866
01:36:52,973 --> 01:36:54,725
This morning, she didn't want
to get out of bed.
1867
01:36:54,725 --> 01:36:56,101
She didn't want to come downstairs.
1868
01:36:56,101 --> 01:37:00,147
She was... depressed.
1869
01:37:00,147 --> 01:37:01,690
How else do I say it?
1870
01:37:02,900 --> 01:37:04,777
[man] Well, you've started
the revolution already.
1871
01:37:04,777 --> 01:37:07,279
There's already a whole
generation of young people
1872
01:37:07,279 --> 01:37:09,990
out there who are looking
to take the candle,
1873
01:37:09,990 --> 01:37:11,700
- take the torch and run with it.
- Yeah.
1874
01:37:11,700 --> 01:37:14,370
[man] When's this whole legal mess
gonna be over, Mike?
1875
01:37:14,370 --> 01:37:16,622
[Mike] It runs for four weeks.
1876
01:37:16,622 --> 01:37:18,749
Murder cases are only usually two weeks.
1877
01:37:22,836 --> 01:37:24,213
{\an8}It's nice to see you in the light.
1878
01:37:24,213 --> 01:37:26,340
{\an8}- [laughs]
- You feel real.
1879
01:37:26,340 --> 01:37:28,717
{\an8}- We met, though?
- No.
1880
01:37:28,717 --> 01:37:31,512
[Mike] Three people are going
to decide my fate.
1881
01:37:31,512 --> 01:37:34,557
[speaking indistinctly]
1882
01:37:34,557 --> 01:37:37,142
And I feel they're gonna decide
1883
01:37:37,142 --> 01:37:42,106
the fate of the health
of the people of the planet.
1884
01:37:42,106 --> 01:37:45,109
- I'm here for the case of Mew.
- [man] Yes.
1885
01:37:53,659 --> 01:37:59,456
[soft music]
1886
01:38:21,145 --> 01:38:24,440
[line ringing]
1887
01:38:31,572 --> 01:38:33,365
[John] John Mew speaking.
1888
01:38:33,365 --> 01:38:36,160
- Dad, it's Mike.
- Yes, Mike.
1889
01:38:36,160 --> 01:38:38,579
[Mike] So what's happening is
1890
01:38:38,579 --> 01:38:40,164
that they're gonna delay it.
1891
01:38:40,164 --> 01:38:43,167
[tense music]
1892
01:38:43,167 --> 01:38:45,502
You know, I wish we could be
further along the line.
1893
01:38:45,502 --> 01:38:47,671
I wish we could have got this further,
1894
01:38:47,671 --> 01:38:53,218
but... it is what it is.
1895
01:38:53,218 --> 01:38:56,055
And I'm in this place.
And there's no closure.
1896
01:38:56,055 --> 01:39:00,392
And... it's not an ideal scenario.
1897
01:39:05,689 --> 01:39:11,195
As you know, the GDC made
an application to adjourn.
1898
01:39:11,195 --> 01:39:13,864
But so look, Mike. That's where we are.
1899
01:39:13,864 --> 01:39:15,032
What's going to happen
1900
01:39:15,032 --> 01:39:17,368
throughout the rest
of the year, unfortunately,
1901
01:39:17,368 --> 01:39:18,911
is I suspect that when they're done
1902
01:39:18,911 --> 01:39:22,665
going back for two,
maybe even three tranches
1903
01:39:22,665 --> 01:39:25,834
of two or three weeks spread out
1904
01:39:25,834 --> 01:39:29,421
over probably a few months in the year.
1905
01:39:29,421 --> 01:39:32,841
How long-- What's the worst-case scenario?
Spread out of six months?
1906
01:39:32,841 --> 01:39:36,887
Um, no, worst case scenario,
maybe spread out over 12 months.
1907
01:39:41,517 --> 01:39:43,477
Yeah. Yeah.
1908
01:39:43,477 --> 01:39:45,270
Yeah. Okay. [clears throat] Okay.
1909
01:39:46,188 --> 01:39:47,815
What today's been about is waiting,
1910
01:39:47,815 --> 01:39:50,234
waiting on other people
to make these decisions about your life.
1911
01:39:50,234 --> 01:39:52,319
And it's excruciating.
1912
01:39:52,319 --> 01:39:56,990
You know, it really-- It's painful.
1913
01:39:57,783 --> 01:39:59,952
At no point has my father ever had
1914
01:39:59,952 --> 01:40:02,830
any proper formal engagement
on his ideas and theories.
1915
01:40:04,915 --> 01:40:06,667
I mean, how much longer can he hang on?
1916
01:40:06,667 --> 01:40:08,877
He's still, you know--
I think the only reason
1917
01:40:08,877 --> 01:40:11,463
he's still mentally just there
1918
01:40:11,463 --> 01:40:13,257
is because this is going somewhere.
1919
01:40:14,591 --> 01:40:16,719
And if he doesn't get to see
the end of this court call,
1920
01:40:16,719 --> 01:40:18,345
I will lose my temper.
1921
01:40:18,345 --> 01:40:20,389
I will never forgive.
1922
01:40:21,557 --> 01:40:22,683
That would just...
1923
01:40:32,109 --> 01:40:34,820
[birds chirping]
1924
01:40:53,005 --> 01:40:54,506
- Hey, Mum.
- [Rosie] Hi, lovely.
1925
01:40:54,506 --> 01:40:55,716
- I'll take that.
- Hey, gorgeous.
1926
01:40:55,716 --> 01:40:57,259
Yeah, you can carry that for me.
1927
01:40:57,259 --> 01:41:00,053
Hello. Hello.
1928
01:41:00,053 --> 01:41:01,305
- [smooches]
- [Rosie] Hello, lovely.
1929
01:41:01,305 --> 01:41:03,599
- Oh, just put it here, darling.
- [Mike] Lovely.
1930
01:41:03,599 --> 01:41:04,975
[Rosie] Thanks, darling, that's perfect.
1931
01:41:04,975 --> 01:41:06,852
Hello, birthday boy.
1932
01:41:06,852 --> 01:41:11,064
Hello, sweetheart.
Why is it that sound is working full on?
1933
01:41:11,064 --> 01:41:14,568
Oh. Hello. Hello, darling daughter.
1934
01:41:14,568 --> 01:41:15,778
I don't know, Dad.
1935
01:41:15,778 --> 01:41:17,488
Actually, that's quite a good video,
1936
01:41:17,488 --> 01:41:19,531
even if I say so myself.
1937
01:41:19,531 --> 01:41:21,617
The queen's going through
Edinburgh at the moment.
1938
01:41:21,617 --> 01:41:24,912
Coffin's now arrived in Holyrood.
1939
01:41:24,912 --> 01:41:26,705
[indistinct chatter]
1940
01:41:26,705 --> 01:41:28,457
[Rosie] I think Charles
will be an amazing king,
1941
01:41:28,457 --> 01:41:30,584
but unfortunately, he's not her.
1942
01:41:30,584 --> 01:41:32,920
His ears stick out
and his face has swung down.
1943
01:41:32,920 --> 01:41:35,380
[Rosie] Oh, well, Michael, you can't
put it all down to facial form.
1944
01:41:35,380 --> 01:41:38,217
[Mike] Sorry, Charles has a big problem.
His face didn't grow well.
1945
01:41:38,217 --> 01:41:40,344
[Rosie] Well, I don't think
you can blame it all on that.
1946
01:41:40,344 --> 01:41:44,223
I think he didn't choose well
in his marriage.
1947
01:41:44,223 --> 01:41:46,350
For love, I think Diana
was an amazing person,
1948
01:41:46,350 --> 01:41:47,935
but I think, unfortunately,
they weren't a good--
1949
01:41:47,935 --> 01:41:50,270
- But she was pretty, and he wasn't.
- They weren't a good match.
1950
01:41:50,270 --> 01:41:52,731
Yeah, I don't think--
You can't put it all down to aesthetics.
1951
01:41:52,731 --> 01:41:53,774
[Mike] Dad. Dad.
1952
01:41:53,774 --> 01:41:56,985
[Rosie] Oh, my goodness, you're so fast.
1953
01:41:56,985 --> 01:42:00,614
[Rosie] Hey, Dad, Dad, have you been
watching Jessica's face?
1954
01:42:00,614 --> 01:42:02,324
- Have you noticed--
- Her face?
1955
01:42:02,324 --> 01:42:04,117
Have you noticed her face
has come along lots
1956
01:42:04,117 --> 01:42:05,285
in the last six months?
1957
01:42:05,285 --> 01:42:09,164
I notice her all the time.
And yes, I do think.
1958
01:42:09,164 --> 01:42:12,459
What has really helped
is lip taping at night
1959
01:42:12,459 --> 01:42:14,586
- and all the gum chewing.
- Yeah, I'm sure.
1960
01:42:14,586 --> 01:42:17,506
I'm still thinking,
what is her indicator line?
1961
01:42:17,506 --> 01:42:18,465
It'll be too high.
1962
01:42:18,465 --> 01:42:20,092
You know it'll be too high. But it's--
1963
01:42:20,092 --> 01:42:22,302
Yes, but that's why I'm thinking--
1964
01:42:22,302 --> 01:42:23,637
[Mike] Yeah, I know. I know. I know.
1965
01:42:23,637 --> 01:42:27,850
I couldn't do-- I couldn't put Jessica
through a whole course of therapy.
1966
01:42:27,850 --> 01:42:31,019
[John]
But as you know, I'm always ambitious
1967
01:42:31,019 --> 01:42:33,605
and I'm always optimistic about it.
1968
01:42:33,605 --> 01:42:36,567
[Rosie] Oh, my goodness, Jesse,
that is a mega one.
1969
01:42:36,567 --> 01:42:38,360
- [Mike] Okay, so all right, we need--
- [Rosie] Don't swear.
1970
01:42:38,360 --> 01:42:40,445
[Mike] I need a couple of volunteers
to help me light this.
1971
01:42:40,445 --> 01:42:41,697
[Rosie] Totally. I'm in.
1972
01:42:41,697 --> 01:42:44,700
[indistinct chatter]
1973
01:42:44,700 --> 01:42:47,661
[soft music]
1974
01:42:47,661 --> 01:42:51,039
[John] Yeah but
last year we had 93 candles
1975
01:42:51,039 --> 01:42:54,793
and if you remember,
I've never seen such a bonfire.
1976
01:42:54,793 --> 01:42:56,879
[indistinct chatter]
1977
01:42:57,671 --> 01:42:59,256
- Ready, ready, ready.
- Cheers!
1978
01:42:59,256 --> 01:43:01,216
[overlapping cheers]
1979
01:43:01,216 --> 01:43:03,468
- Happy birthday, Poppa!
- Happy birthday.
1980
01:43:03,468 --> 01:43:05,053
Happy birthday!
1981
01:43:05,053 --> 01:43:06,471
[indistinct chatter] Happy birthday!
1982
01:43:06,471 --> 01:43:08,932
Jessica, cheers!
1983
01:43:08,932 --> 01:43:10,642
Cheers.
1984
01:43:10,642 --> 01:43:15,355
[indistinct chatter]
1985
01:43:16,106 --> 01:43:17,441
[Mike] Wish, wish, have a wish?
1986
01:43:17,441 --> 01:43:18,775
[Rosie] Have a wish?
1987
01:43:18,775 --> 01:43:19,818
- Blow! Blow!
- A wish?
1988
01:43:19,818 --> 01:43:21,153
All right, I wish that I--
1989
01:43:21,153 --> 01:43:22,362
Now blow.
1990
01:43:22,905 --> 01:43:25,782
Quick, before the whole place
goes up in flames.
1991
01:43:27,743 --> 01:43:32,748
[cheers and applause]
1992
01:43:32,748 --> 01:43:35,208
- [Mike] What was your wish, Dad?
- [Rosie] What was your wish for?
1993
01:43:35,208 --> 01:43:37,252
- I'm not allowed to say.
- [Rosie] Why?
1994
01:43:37,252 --> 01:43:39,546
- I'm gonna make--
- Because it won't come true.
1995
01:43:42,257 --> 01:43:44,134
It is very hard to change
1996
01:43:44,134 --> 01:43:46,929
the opinion of the entire world.
1997
01:43:46,929 --> 01:43:51,808
But I'm amazed how many people now Mew
1998
01:43:51,808 --> 01:43:55,896
or adopt Mewing, which bears my name.
1999
01:43:55,896 --> 01:44:00,651
And it shows that the public
have actually accepted this--
2000
01:44:00,651 --> 01:44:03,278
I should call this in advance--
2001
01:44:03,278 --> 01:44:05,697
much more than the orthodontists.
2002
01:44:07,616 --> 01:44:10,285
I'm sure Michael will inherit my legacy.
2003
01:44:11,411 --> 01:44:17,167
In a way, I feel guilty
because I led him into it
2004
01:44:17,167 --> 01:44:19,920
and he willingly followed.
2005
01:44:19,920 --> 01:44:22,381
But should I have done?
2006
01:44:22,381 --> 01:44:26,218
Should I have ever attempted
to change the world at all?
2007
01:44:27,219 --> 01:44:30,889
[Mike] Dad, you were
the first by a long, long way
2008
01:44:30,889 --> 01:44:32,015
of putting it all together,
2009
01:44:32,015 --> 01:44:34,643
understanding what was really happening.
2010
01:44:34,643 --> 01:44:36,478
What were the terms it goes, you know,
2011
01:44:36,478 --> 01:44:39,147
they say it doesn't exist,
then they fight you,
2012
01:44:39,147 --> 01:44:41,233
then eventually they say,
"Oh, but it's obvious."
2013
01:44:41,233 --> 01:44:42,192
[Rosie] It's acceptance.
2014
01:44:42,192 --> 01:44:44,486
They say, "It's obvious.
We always knew that. It was obvious."
2015
01:44:44,486 --> 01:44:47,280
Yeah, I'm a dreamer. And hopefully--
I know, and I've put my life
2016
01:44:47,280 --> 01:44:49,825
on the line for a dream. I have.
2017
01:44:49,825 --> 01:44:51,118
[woman] Your father's dream.
2018
01:44:51,118 --> 01:44:52,744
Yes, it was my father's dream.
2019
01:44:52,744 --> 01:44:54,079
[laughs] God, what the odds are--
2020
01:44:57,708 --> 01:45:01,336
People who aren't aesthetic
sometimes just don't see it.
2021
01:45:01,336 --> 01:45:02,713
- They don't--
- [overlapping chatter]
2022
01:45:02,713 --> 01:45:04,589
[John] Well, I'm amazed how orthodontists
2023
01:45:04,589 --> 01:45:06,925
don't see facial change.
2024
01:45:06,925 --> 01:45:09,636
[Mike] No, a lot of people
are just immune to art.
2025
01:45:09,636 --> 01:45:11,763
[John] It's interesting.
I guess you're right, though.
2026
01:45:11,763 --> 01:45:14,975
[Mike] They're immune.
They just, you know, they don't see art.
2027
01:45:14,975 --> 01:45:18,186
They don't see art in the same way
and they don't get the same appreciation.
2028
01:45:18,186 --> 01:45:21,273
And in a way, I would say
this is an element of art.
2029
01:45:21,273 --> 01:45:23,650
To appreciate beauty
is to appreciate art.
2030
01:45:23,650 --> 01:45:24,693
[John] Yeah.
2031
01:45:24,693 --> 01:45:27,612
[pensive music]
2032
01:46:06,818 --> 01:46:11,364
I-- I do think because
what I've said is different,
2033
01:46:11,364 --> 01:46:13,241
it will be recorded.
2034
01:46:13,241 --> 01:46:16,995
And ultimately,
I don't have the slightest doubt
2035
01:46:16,995 --> 01:46:21,333
that orthotropics
will displace orthodontics.
2036
01:46:21,333 --> 01:46:23,919
That, in a way,
is quite an important thing,
2037
01:46:23,919 --> 01:46:28,090
and I suppose that in future,
people will write that down and say,
2038
01:46:28,090 --> 01:46:30,092
"This guy John Mew thought it up."
2039
01:46:30,092 --> 01:46:33,804
But, you know,
I'm gonna be dead, so it won't affect me.
2040
01:46:33,804 --> 01:46:36,431
[soft upbeat music]