1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:25,442 --> 00:00:27,360 [dog barking] 4 00:00:27,444 --> 00:00:28,653 Giant. 5 00:00:28,737 --> 00:00:30,238 -[barking continues] -Giant! 6 00:00:32,073 --> 00:00:34,325 I'm just gonna wear the same thing I was wearing before, 7 00:00:34,409 --> 00:00:38,246 but it's still inside out. I wear it inside out. 8 00:00:38,329 --> 00:00:42,375 This is how you keep the men away at the mics. 9 00:00:42,459 --> 00:00:44,711 You just wear lots of layers. 10 00:00:46,046 --> 00:00:48,089 With the law of attraction and stuff, 11 00:00:48,173 --> 00:00:50,884 you have to articulate things for them to come into existence. 12 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:52,927 Bye dog, I love you. 13 00:00:53,011 --> 00:00:54,929 Be a good boy, please. 14 00:00:55,013 --> 00:00:57,557 What else do I need? I'll bring that joint. 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:59,934 Dear Lord. Hm. 16 00:01:00,018 --> 00:01:03,021 When I said I wanted to work with Louis or Dave Chappelle, 17 00:01:03,104 --> 00:01:05,023 I should've been more specific. 18 00:01:05,106 --> 00:01:06,649 Bye, everybody. 19 00:01:06,733 --> 00:01:07,942 Bye! 20 00:01:08,026 --> 00:01:11,488 As opposed to, like, how it all panned out. 21 00:01:12,739 --> 00:01:13,823 See ya. 22 00:01:13,907 --> 00:01:16,326 [dramatic music playing] 23 00:01:20,163 --> 00:01:21,831 [Charlie Rose] Not only do they talk about 24 00:01:21,915 --> 00:01:23,500 you being the undisputed king of comedy 25 00:01:23,583 --> 00:01:27,587 and people love this show, there are these... I mean, yours is deeper and broader. 26 00:01:27,670 --> 00:01:31,966 Comparisons to Lenny Bruce, comparisons to Bob Dylan, 27 00:01:32,050 --> 00:01:35,220 comparisons to being a sort of philosopher king. 28 00:01:35,303 --> 00:01:36,971 Hmm, Jesus. 29 00:01:37,055 --> 00:01:39,891 Do you wanna not talk about that? Because... 30 00:01:39,974 --> 00:01:42,685 -It should be... -[laughing] 31 00:01:42,769 --> 00:01:44,395 ...where does it come from, 32 00:01:44,479 --> 00:01:45,855 and how do you see what you are? 33 00:01:45,939 --> 00:01:47,565 I don't know, I mean, I'm just a comedian. 34 00:01:48,608 --> 00:01:50,610 [dramatic music continues] 35 00:01:52,737 --> 00:01:55,698 How do women still go out with guys, when you consider the fact 36 00:01:55,782 --> 00:01:59,119 that there is no greater threat to women than men? 37 00:01:59,202 --> 00:02:03,039 We're the number one threat to women. 38 00:02:03,123 --> 00:02:07,377 Globally and historically, we're the number one cause of injury, 39 00:02:07,460 --> 00:02:09,087 and mayhem to women. 40 00:02:09,170 --> 00:02:11,464 We're the worst thing that ever happens to them. 41 00:02:17,929 --> 00:02:20,640 Like, I think about flashers and how well they dressed, though. 42 00:02:20,723 --> 00:02:21,891 You know, like, in my day, 43 00:02:21,975 --> 00:02:23,393 you dressed up to go on an airplane, 44 00:02:23,476 --> 00:02:27,147 and you dressed up to show a woman your dick, and I appreciated that. 45 00:02:27,230 --> 00:02:29,440 Because when Louis C.K. tried to show me his dick, 46 00:02:29,524 --> 00:02:32,235 he was just wearing a shitty black t-shirt and jeans 47 00:02:32,318 --> 00:02:34,028 and it's like, listen you schlub, 48 00:02:34,112 --> 00:02:36,656 you can't do a little outfit for me if you're gonna...? 49 00:02:36,739 --> 00:02:38,324 [laughter and applause] 50 00:02:38,408 --> 00:02:39,200 You know? 51 00:02:39,284 --> 00:02:41,327 [dramatic music playing] 52 00:02:48,459 --> 00:02:50,920 [Noam Dworman] My own personal feeling about him, 53 00:02:51,004 --> 00:02:56,092 he's a top 10th of 1% insightful person. 54 00:02:57,260 --> 00:03:00,430 He's able to make that funny, 55 00:03:00,513 --> 00:03:04,392 and almost nobody else can do that, 56 00:03:04,475 --> 00:03:06,686 and that's kind of the definition of genius, right? 57 00:03:06,769 --> 00:03:09,439 So you're top 10th of 1% ability at something, 58 00:03:09,522 --> 00:03:10,690 that no one else can do. 59 00:03:10,773 --> 00:03:12,609 If you can do something that no one else can do, 60 00:03:12,692 --> 00:03:15,904 that almost alone makes you a kind of a genius, even if it's something stupid. 61 00:03:17,113 --> 00:03:18,948 [pensive string music plays] 62 00:03:27,081 --> 00:03:30,835 Children who have nut allergies need to be protected. 63 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:32,629 Of course! 64 00:03:32,712 --> 00:03:35,173 We have to segregate their food from nuts. 65 00:03:35,256 --> 00:03:37,342 Have their medication available at all times 66 00:03:37,425 --> 00:03:39,552 and anybody who manufactures or serves food 67 00:03:39,636 --> 00:03:42,472 needs to be aware of deadly nut allergies. 68 00:03:42,555 --> 00:03:43,556 Of course. 69 00:03:46,434 --> 00:03:48,561 -But maybe... -[laughter] 70 00:03:48,645 --> 00:03:52,273 ...maybe if touching a nut kills you, 71 00:03:52,357 --> 00:03:53,524 you're supposed to die. 72 00:03:53,608 --> 00:03:55,485 [laughter and applause] 73 00:03:58,446 --> 00:04:00,114 [Michael Schur] I thought of him as, like, 74 00:04:00,198 --> 00:04:01,574 a misanthrope who loved people. 75 00:04:02,408 --> 00:04:05,995 He saw the very, very worst, 76 00:04:06,079 --> 00:04:10,792 like, least attractive parts of people, of humanity, 77 00:04:10,875 --> 00:04:13,336 of the human condition, and then found a way 78 00:04:13,419 --> 00:04:16,547 to be sympathetic to those parts of us. 79 00:04:16,631 --> 00:04:21,761 There's one kid in my daughter's class who I hate so much, 80 00:04:21,844 --> 00:04:28,518 and it's really fucked up 'cause I'm 44 and I hate a six year old. 81 00:04:28,601 --> 00:04:33,314 [Wesley] And his comedy was so good at what it really meant 82 00:04:33,398 --> 00:04:39,612 to open out your nasty, broken, dark heart 83 00:04:39,696 --> 00:04:41,781 in front of thousands of people, 84 00:04:41,864 --> 00:04:43,283 hundreds of people, every night. 85 00:04:43,366 --> 00:04:46,160 -I don't stop eating when I'm full. -[laughing] 86 00:04:46,244 --> 00:04:49,539 The meal is not over when I'm full. 87 00:04:49,622 --> 00:04:52,500 The meal is over when I hate myself, that's when I... 88 00:04:52,583 --> 00:04:54,002 [laughing] 89 00:04:54,085 --> 00:04:55,545 ...that's when I stop. 90 00:04:55,628 --> 00:04:58,131 [Sean] He seemed to be brutally honest. 91 00:04:58,214 --> 00:05:00,008 Brutally honest about himself, 92 00:05:00,091 --> 00:05:02,552 and about his relationship with his kids, 93 00:05:02,635 --> 00:05:05,430 in a way that we weren't used to seeing from comedians. 94 00:05:05,513 --> 00:05:07,307 I like Mama's better, 95 00:05:07,390 --> 00:05:09,183 because she makes good food. 96 00:05:10,643 --> 00:05:13,896 And I love her more, so I like being there more. 97 00:05:13,980 --> 00:05:15,732 -Alright, go and get on your PJs. -Bye, Daddy. 98 00:05:15,815 --> 00:05:16,774 OK, baby. 99 00:05:18,276 --> 00:05:20,320 [Michael Ian Black]The heart of Louis' act was, 100 00:05:20,403 --> 00:05:22,405 I'm fucked up, 101 00:05:22,488 --> 00:05:25,116 and in my fuck uppedness, 102 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:28,244 in my navigating through the world, I'm trying to do the right thing. 103 00:05:28,328 --> 00:05:31,205 I don't always succeed, but I'm trying to be a good guy. 104 00:05:31,289 --> 00:05:33,791 [Louis C.K.]You know what's really sad about men? 105 00:05:33,875 --> 00:05:38,588 That we can't have a beautiful thought about a woman, 106 00:05:38,671 --> 00:05:43,760 that isn't followed by a disgusting thought about that same woman. 107 00:05:43,843 --> 00:05:45,345 We're not capable of it. 108 00:05:45,428 --> 00:05:46,846 That's how our brains work. 109 00:05:46,929 --> 00:05:48,931 She's an angel, 110 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:51,684 and I want her to drown in my cum. 111 00:05:51,768 --> 00:05:56,022 [Alison Herman]He would talk about how men are these creatures, 112 00:05:56,105 --> 00:05:59,108 that have these irrepressible impulses, 113 00:05:59,192 --> 00:06:02,028 that are clearly unpleasant for women to deal with. 114 00:06:02,111 --> 00:06:04,614 Oh yeah, oh, what the fuck is wrong with me? 115 00:06:04,697 --> 00:06:05,990 Goddammit. 116 00:06:06,074 --> 00:06:07,575 [laughter and applause] 117 00:06:07,658 --> 00:06:11,245 [Alison Herman]And just being self-aware in a way that, you know, 118 00:06:11,329 --> 00:06:15,208 to female fans such as myself, was very endearing. 119 00:06:15,291 --> 00:06:19,504 He created a show that was really, like, 120 00:06:19,587 --> 00:06:22,298 the beating center of the zeitgeist. 121 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:24,884 When Louis garners critical acclaim, 122 00:06:24,967 --> 00:06:28,429 that is really what catapulted Louis C.K., 123 00:06:28,513 --> 00:06:30,723 from just a funny guy, 124 00:06:30,807 --> 00:06:36,604 to a guy who got the full genius treatment from our culture. 125 00:06:36,687 --> 00:06:38,147 Listen, I'm, I'm... 126 00:06:38,231 --> 00:06:40,358 What? No. No, no, no, no! 127 00:06:40,441 --> 00:06:41,567 -Just... -No! 128 00:06:41,651 --> 00:06:42,318 Come on. 129 00:06:42,402 --> 00:06:45,530 [Melena Ryzik]He did a lot of material that was borderline. 130 00:06:45,613 --> 00:06:48,282 God, you can't even rape well! 131 00:06:48,366 --> 00:06:51,160 [Melena Ryzik]But he did it from this persona of, 132 00:06:51,244 --> 00:06:54,163 I understand that these things are wrong. 133 00:06:54,247 --> 00:06:56,290 Wait, does it offend you when I say that word? 134 00:06:56,374 --> 00:06:57,542 What word, hello? 135 00:06:57,625 --> 00:06:58,584 No, faggot. 136 00:06:58,668 --> 00:07:00,795 Yeah, does it bother you when he says the word faggot? 137 00:07:00,878 --> 00:07:01,921 [laughter] 138 00:07:02,004 --> 00:07:04,882 No, it bothers me when you say it, 'cause you mean it. 139 00:07:04,966 --> 00:07:06,592 [Melena Ryzik]He became this, like, 140 00:07:06,676 --> 00:07:08,678 unlikely moral conscience of the comedy world. 141 00:07:10,513 --> 00:07:14,350 [Michael Ian Black]A lot of Louis' fans felt like we know a lot about Louis. 142 00:07:14,434 --> 00:07:16,352 We know, like, what makes his brain tick. 143 00:07:16,436 --> 00:07:18,187 We know the kinds of things he thinks about. 144 00:07:18,271 --> 00:07:19,564 We know what pisses him off. 145 00:07:21,065 --> 00:07:23,734 For, as disgusting as he painted himself to be... 146 00:07:25,236 --> 00:07:26,946 ...we felt like we understood his heart. 147 00:07:31,993 --> 00:07:34,537 [Stephen Colbert]For those of you tuning in to see my interview 148 00:07:34,620 --> 00:07:38,458 with Louis C.K. tonight, I have some bad news. 149 00:07:38,541 --> 00:07:41,419 Then I have some really bad news. 150 00:07:41,502 --> 00:07:45,214 [Reporter 1] Breaking tonight, five women are accusing comedian, Louis C.K., 151 00:07:45,298 --> 00:07:48,885 of sexual misconduct in a bombshell report from The New York Times. 152 00:07:48,968 --> 00:07:50,636 The women say that the comedian would make 153 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,221 sexually inappropriate comments. 154 00:07:52,305 --> 00:07:54,599 Some say he also masturbated in front of them. 155 00:07:54,682 --> 00:07:57,018 [Reporter 3] Three more women report similar incidents, 156 00:07:57,101 --> 00:08:00,897 one in the 1990s, one in 2003, and one in 2005. 157 00:08:00,980 --> 00:08:02,815 [Reporter 4]Some of the women say they feared 158 00:08:02,899 --> 00:08:05,026 career repercussions if they spoke out. 159 00:08:05,109 --> 00:08:07,361 The news this morning about the comedian, Louis C.K., 160 00:08:07,445 --> 00:08:11,574 who has come out to say that the accusations against him are in fact true. 161 00:08:11,657 --> 00:08:13,576 [Reporter 6]FX cutting all ties. 162 00:08:13,659 --> 00:08:17,121 HBO and Netflix also dropping him from upcoming projects. 163 00:08:17,205 --> 00:08:20,958 The release of his new film, I Love You Daddy, abruptly canceled. 164 00:08:21,042 --> 00:08:22,502 [Reporter 7]He was said to appear on 165 00:08:22,585 --> 00:08:25,379 The Late Show with Stephen Colbert, but was replaced. 166 00:08:25,463 --> 00:08:27,590 When reached for comment, Jesus said, 167 00:08:27,673 --> 00:08:31,928 "Bla la la la la. I don't wanna hear about it, I was a big fan. Bla la la." 168 00:08:33,179 --> 00:08:34,347 I need to, while you're here, 169 00:08:34,430 --> 00:08:36,307 ask you for your comment on something quickly. 170 00:08:36,390 --> 00:08:40,353 Your friend and colleague, Louis C.K., what was the impact on you 171 00:08:40,436 --> 00:08:44,065 when you heard not only the accusations, but his admission? 172 00:08:45,441 --> 00:08:46,484 Um... 173 00:08:48,319 --> 00:08:51,030 ...stunned, I think. You know, um... 174 00:08:53,032 --> 00:08:55,576 ...you give your friends the benefit of the doubt. 175 00:08:55,660 --> 00:08:58,746 I tried to think of it in terms of, you know, 176 00:08:58,829 --> 00:09:00,748 I've had friends who have compulsions 177 00:09:00,831 --> 00:09:03,251 and who have done things, gambling, or drinking, or drugs, 178 00:09:03,334 --> 00:09:05,336 and we've lost some of them. Some of them have died. 179 00:09:06,420 --> 00:09:10,132 And you always find yourself back to a moment of, did I miss something? 180 00:09:10,216 --> 00:09:12,969 Could I have done more on the thing? 181 00:09:13,052 --> 00:09:16,847 And in this situation, I think we all could've. 182 00:09:16,931 --> 00:09:19,433 It's a real mind fuck, you know, 183 00:09:19,517 --> 00:09:25,231 because I... I love Louis, but Louis did these things. 184 00:09:25,314 --> 00:09:30,278 Both of those statements are true, so I just keep asking myself, 185 00:09:30,361 --> 00:09:33,656 "Can you love someone who did bad things?" 186 00:09:33,739 --> 00:09:35,116 "Can you still love them?" 187 00:09:36,409 --> 00:09:40,705 I can mull that over later, certainly, because the only people 188 00:09:40,788 --> 00:09:42,748 that matter right now are the victims. 189 00:09:42,832 --> 00:09:47,211 They are victims and they're victims because of something he did. 190 00:09:48,504 --> 00:09:54,343 The Louis thing came out at the worst possible time, 191 00:09:54,427 --> 00:09:58,848 which is right after the Harvey Weinstein thing and Bill Cosby. 192 00:09:58,931 --> 00:10:03,060 I mean, this was a real wake-up call to a lot of America 193 00:10:03,144 --> 00:10:07,857 about how awful men in power could be. 194 00:10:07,940 --> 00:10:10,151 So he got swept into that. 195 00:10:10,234 --> 00:10:11,569 I think it's gross. 196 00:10:11,652 --> 00:10:13,112 What he did, I think was just gross. 197 00:10:13,195 --> 00:10:14,864 It was gross if he did it to a man. 198 00:10:14,947 --> 00:10:18,659 It takes on more ominous tones when he's doing it to women. 199 00:10:18,743 --> 00:10:20,870 -Completely agree. -Yeah. 200 00:10:20,953 --> 00:10:23,080 I mean, I'm not... I don't think he's anything-- 201 00:10:23,164 --> 00:10:25,833 -But it's not a crime, right? -No, no, I don't think so. 202 00:10:25,916 --> 00:10:27,460 No, I think it's just sad. 203 00:10:27,543 --> 00:10:29,712 It's nothing like Cosby, it's just pathetic. 204 00:10:29,795 --> 00:10:33,382 Somebody would walk in and I would say-- Somebody well known, 205 00:10:33,466 --> 00:10:36,052 I'm like, "What do you think about Louis?" 206 00:10:36,135 --> 00:10:39,055 And they would say, "What do you think about Louis?" 207 00:10:39,138 --> 00:10:42,266 [Alison Herman]He didn't assault anybody, he asked for permission. 208 00:10:42,350 --> 00:10:45,311 I don't know, I still think he should be allowed to perform at the Cellar. 209 00:10:45,394 --> 00:10:47,980 Because what did he do wrong? Ask for consent? 210 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:51,859 For non-contact in-- Like, what are you talking about? 211 00:10:51,942 --> 00:10:54,570 When he came out and he said, "I did this." 212 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:57,865 He said, "I did these things, these women are all telling the truth." 213 00:10:57,948 --> 00:11:01,452 I just remember thinking, well, that's the sign of somebody who-- 214 00:11:01,535 --> 00:11:03,412 Well we can work with that, you know what I mean? 215 00:11:03,496 --> 00:11:05,623 Like, that's-- You know, what the hell else 216 00:11:05,706 --> 00:11:06,916 are you supposed to do? 217 00:11:06,999 --> 00:11:10,169 Every comedian has their skeletons, 218 00:11:10,252 --> 00:11:13,964 every comedian has their shit in their closet that they don't want to come out, 219 00:11:14,048 --> 00:11:15,383 I'm sure, you know? 220 00:11:15,466 --> 00:11:17,343 And not just comedians, everybody. 221 00:11:19,220 --> 00:11:20,346 But I felt like... 222 00:11:20,429 --> 00:11:22,181 [sighs] 223 00:11:22,264 --> 00:11:24,350 ...there's just a lot of hypocrisy around it, 224 00:11:24,433 --> 00:11:27,895 because... so many of us... 225 00:11:29,939 --> 00:11:33,734 spend our careers trying to sort of hold the light up and be like, 226 00:11:33,818 --> 00:11:35,194 "Hey, I'm telling the truth here. 227 00:11:35,277 --> 00:11:37,488 "I'm the truth teller." You know? 228 00:11:40,241 --> 00:11:42,743 But when it comes to telling the truth about one of our own... 229 00:11:44,412 --> 00:11:45,830 ...suddenly, we shut up. 230 00:11:57,133 --> 00:11:58,426 [Jen Kirkman]Zero to 40 was fun. 231 00:11:58,509 --> 00:12:00,803 You were born, bleurgh, you don't even know where you are. 232 00:12:00,886 --> 00:12:02,096 Yeah, you had your first kiss. 233 00:12:02,179 --> 00:12:03,514 Not right away, I'm just saying, 234 00:12:03,597 --> 00:12:05,266 you had your first kiss during those years. 235 00:12:05,349 --> 00:12:07,143 You had some masturbation, you had some sex, 236 00:12:07,226 --> 00:12:09,019 you had some drinking, you had some driving. 237 00:12:09,270 --> 00:12:11,480 Nothing good happens between 40 and 80. 238 00:12:11,564 --> 00:12:14,066 I understand what's going to happen. 239 00:12:14,150 --> 00:12:18,904 First, I'm gonna get that cougar chest, with the freckles, 240 00:12:18,988 --> 00:12:20,531 -and then I'm gonna die. -[laughter] 241 00:12:20,614 --> 00:12:22,032 That's what's gonna happen. 242 00:12:24,577 --> 00:12:26,579 When I have younger people ask me, 243 00:12:26,662 --> 00:12:27,913 "How did you get where you are?" 244 00:12:27,997 --> 00:12:30,499 And I tell them how long it took, they're like, 245 00:12:30,583 --> 00:12:32,585 "Oh, I don't want that. 246 00:12:32,668 --> 00:12:34,336 "Like, I wanna, you know-- 247 00:12:34,420 --> 00:12:36,839 "What do you mean you were 35 before you got your first job? 248 00:12:36,922 --> 00:12:38,674 "When did you start?" "When I was 21." 249 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:40,426 "Yeah, no, I can't do that." 250 00:12:41,927 --> 00:12:46,348 [Jen Kirkman] I was 21 or 22 out of college in Cambridge, Massachusetts. 251 00:12:47,016 --> 00:12:49,560 I met this guy, Eugene Mirman, and he said, 252 00:12:49,643 --> 00:12:52,188 "I run this open mic, I think you're funny, do you wanna do it?" 253 00:12:52,271 --> 00:12:55,566 And he didn't know me from anything, he just thought I was a funny person. 254 00:12:56,484 --> 00:13:00,654 And I just told a story that was very raw and vulnerable for me, 255 00:13:00,738 --> 00:13:02,782 about when I lost my virginity. 256 00:13:03,741 --> 00:13:07,828 But it broke the seal of, I think this is how I wanna do things. 257 00:13:09,330 --> 00:13:14,043 Then I moved to New York, and got temp jobs, and did stand up at night. 258 00:13:14,126 --> 00:13:15,544 My boyfriend at the time, was like, 259 00:13:15,628 --> 00:13:18,172 "Oh, I really love this comedian, Louis C.K., let's go see him." 260 00:13:19,006 --> 00:13:21,175 He used to have a totally different act than he did now, 261 00:13:21,258 --> 00:13:23,636 it was very absurdist, and that's fine, you know, whatever. 262 00:13:24,970 --> 00:13:26,597 He wasn't, like, my favorite comic. 263 00:13:29,141 --> 00:13:31,185 [Interviewer]Hey, mind if I get a quick interview? 264 00:13:31,268 --> 00:13:32,394 I don't really feel like it. 265 00:13:32,478 --> 00:13:34,104 [Interviewer]It'll just take a second. 266 00:13:34,522 --> 00:13:38,442 [Jen Kirkman] We both were on this cartoon show called Home Movies, 267 00:13:38,526 --> 00:13:40,820 and the studios are in Massachusetts, 268 00:13:40,903 --> 00:13:44,573 and we're both on the same flight, to Boston, 269 00:13:44,657 --> 00:13:46,408 so we can go do this voice-over. 270 00:13:46,492 --> 00:13:50,037 We're sitting next to each other and I think we are in First Class, 271 00:13:50,120 --> 00:13:54,124 or maybe just planes back then were more comfortable, but he was drinking coffee, 272 00:13:54,208 --> 00:13:56,669 he was drinking orange juice, and he had his newspaper, 273 00:13:56,752 --> 00:14:01,131 and he was just ignoring me, which is fine, but I remember thinking, 274 00:14:01,215 --> 00:14:02,550 "Of course he's not talking to me, 275 00:14:02,633 --> 00:14:05,010 "'cause I'm just like a dumb kid, open mic-er, 276 00:14:05,094 --> 00:14:07,179 "and we both happen to be on this show." 277 00:14:07,263 --> 00:14:11,767 When we got off the plane, he said, "I'm renting a car, do you want a ride?" 278 00:14:11,851 --> 00:14:15,896 So we're talking in the car and he's driving me through, 279 00:14:15,980 --> 00:14:18,524 I think we sort of went through the town he grew up in, or near it, 280 00:14:18,607 --> 00:14:23,445 and he very vaguely started doing a tour of, like, his sexual thoughts. 281 00:14:23,529 --> 00:14:25,531 Like, that girl in that house had big tits, red hair 282 00:14:25,614 --> 00:14:28,033 I was in love with her, used to masturbate and think about her, 283 00:14:28,117 --> 00:14:29,034 stuff like that. 284 00:14:29,118 --> 00:14:30,786 Am I scared? 285 00:14:30,870 --> 00:14:31,704 No. 286 00:14:31,787 --> 00:14:34,331 I would be now, but I didn't know about that stuff back then, 287 00:14:34,415 --> 00:14:39,670 and I just remember thinking, it was the same thought I had when I auditioned for college, 288 00:14:39,753 --> 00:14:46,051 and the Dean of Acting asked me to do the monologue again, 289 00:14:46,135 --> 00:14:48,637 except do it this time like you've just been raped. 290 00:14:49,805 --> 00:14:52,474 And I didn't know what that meant. 291 00:14:52,558 --> 00:14:53,851 I've never been raped. 292 00:14:53,934 --> 00:14:57,771 And then I remember thinking, "You naive child, this is the theater. 293 00:14:57,855 --> 00:14:59,231 "This is how they talk." 294 00:14:59,315 --> 00:15:02,151 So I had the same thoughts as Louis is like, 295 00:15:02,234 --> 00:15:04,820 "Hey, I jerked off to this, and this girl's tits, and whatever." 296 00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:08,324 I'm like, "Guess this is how comedians talk." 297 00:15:08,407 --> 00:15:09,825 And it is, by the way. 298 00:15:09,909 --> 00:15:12,953 But I think that's what people get confused by, when you tell them a story 299 00:15:13,037 --> 00:15:16,165 of sexual harassment, like, that you were so sure what was happening 300 00:15:16,248 --> 00:15:18,042 and you were laser focused and taking notes, 301 00:15:18,125 --> 00:15:20,377 because 25 years later, you're gonna talk about it. 302 00:15:20,461 --> 00:15:23,005 I just thought, like, whatever feelings I have about this, 303 00:15:23,088 --> 00:15:24,924 that didn't even get to come up all the way... 304 00:15:25,925 --> 00:15:26,800 ...I'm wrong. 305 00:15:29,428 --> 00:15:31,513 Later in life we're all living in L.A. 306 00:15:31,597 --> 00:15:33,349 It's like 2003, 2004. 307 00:15:35,601 --> 00:15:37,478 There was just this one night that I remember. 308 00:15:37,561 --> 00:15:40,397 We're all in the same kinda shows together. 309 00:15:40,481 --> 00:15:42,608 You know, Louis' like, becoming Louis. 310 00:15:42,691 --> 00:15:44,735 He's like, doing his honest, confessional stuff. 311 00:15:44,818 --> 00:15:46,445 He's not doing the absurd stuff anymore. 312 00:15:46,528 --> 00:15:48,697 He's talking about his wife, and my daughter's a cunt, 313 00:15:48,781 --> 00:15:50,866 and all that stuff that seemed really edgy and funny. 314 00:15:50,950 --> 00:15:53,327 And he's like, "We're all going to the bar." And I thought, 315 00:15:53,410 --> 00:15:54,828 "Oh, well he never joins us, but OK." 316 00:15:54,912 --> 00:15:56,956 He's like, "I'd love to talk to you about your act." 317 00:15:57,039 --> 00:15:58,040 Or something like that. 318 00:15:59,083 --> 00:16:03,295 We go around the corner and the bar we go into has a bar level, 319 00:16:03,379 --> 00:16:05,381 and then there's stairs, and you can sit up in this 320 00:16:05,464 --> 00:16:07,341 groovy lounge and sit on floor pillows. 321 00:16:07,424 --> 00:16:09,426 We get up there and we're kind of, like, 322 00:16:09,510 --> 00:16:12,763 in this corner where if you're in the downstairs part of the bar, 323 00:16:12,846 --> 00:16:14,473 you can't see what we're doing up there. 324 00:16:14,556 --> 00:16:17,226 And so we just kept talking and, basically, 325 00:16:17,309 --> 00:16:23,774 all that I remember is he said something about, "What if a guy asked you 326 00:16:23,857 --> 00:16:26,902 "if he could jerk off in front of you, would you oppose that?" 327 00:16:26,986 --> 00:16:29,989 And so many thoughts were going through my head, none of which were, 328 00:16:30,072 --> 00:16:32,616 "He's asking me if he can pull his dick out and jerk off." 329 00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:36,370 One of them was, "Oh, he's doing a bit and he's running it by me, 330 00:16:36,453 --> 00:16:43,127 "and he's asking me what I would think of a loser, who would pull his dick out, 331 00:16:43,210 --> 00:16:45,838 "or ask a woman if he could pull his dick out in front of her." 332 00:16:45,921 --> 00:16:52,094 I remember some, like, riffing with him about this absolute loser persona 333 00:16:52,177 --> 00:16:54,346 he was adapting in order to tell this joke. 334 00:16:54,430 --> 00:16:55,848 What was the punchline going to be? 335 00:16:55,931 --> 00:16:57,391 Maybe we would work it out together. 336 00:16:57,474 --> 00:17:02,938 I was so oblivious that he was, like, "Are you fucking kidding me?" 337 00:17:03,022 --> 00:17:04,773 You know, and I was like, "What?" 338 00:17:04,857 --> 00:17:06,859 And he's like, "What did you think this was? 339 00:17:06,942 --> 00:17:08,402 "Or what did you think I was asking?" 340 00:17:08,485 --> 00:17:09,820 Something in that vibe. 341 00:17:09,903 --> 00:17:12,865 He basically said something along the lines of, like, 342 00:17:12,948 --> 00:17:15,034 "What? I like to jerk off in front of people." 343 00:17:15,117 --> 00:17:17,870 And I was, like, "You mean you'd have done it, like, here? 344 00:17:17,953 --> 00:17:19,705 "Like, in public?" 345 00:17:19,788 --> 00:17:25,669 And a friend of mine came over at that moment and interrupted, thank God, 346 00:17:25,753 --> 00:17:29,465 and Louis took out a picture, again, pre-phone cameras, 347 00:17:29,548 --> 00:17:32,217 and just was like, "I was just showing Jen a picture of my daughter." 348 00:17:32,301 --> 00:17:35,596 That's when I was just, like, ew, ew, ew, 'cause he wasn't. 349 00:17:35,679 --> 00:17:37,139 So that was it, and, again, 350 00:17:37,222 --> 00:17:40,225 I wasn't like, in a shower after, crying, like a Lifetime movie. 351 00:17:40,309 --> 00:17:42,102 I was just like, "What the fuck was that?" 352 00:17:42,895 --> 00:17:45,022 I knew, from then on, I didn't like him. 353 00:17:45,105 --> 00:17:47,149 I didn't want to be around him, but it's just tough, 354 00:17:47,232 --> 00:17:50,277 'cause you'd see, like, everyone you like and know hanging out with the dude. 355 00:17:50,360 --> 00:17:53,572 And then it, like, didn't dawn on me at the time to ask my guy friends, 356 00:17:53,655 --> 00:17:55,407 "Why are you friends with him?" 357 00:17:55,491 --> 00:17:59,161 Like... isn't that weird, to know that he lives this double life 358 00:17:59,244 --> 00:18:00,621 and you just kinda let it happen? 359 00:18:00,704 --> 00:18:03,749 And I started to adopt the attitude of, like, for a while I was like, 360 00:18:03,832 --> 00:18:05,626 "Yeah, it's totally cool that he does that." 361 00:18:05,709 --> 00:18:08,462 'Cause I started hearing more stories, "Oh, he does it to everyone." 362 00:18:08,545 --> 00:18:09,797 I'm like, "He is such a weirdo." 363 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,007 I just was like, I guess it's cool to act like that. 364 00:18:12,091 --> 00:18:14,510 I mean, I was too old to think that way, but I did. 365 00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:19,139 There was another time, when he got off stage, same club, same thing, 366 00:18:19,223 --> 00:18:22,726 he was like, really becoming him and he came off stage, 367 00:18:22,810 --> 00:18:27,231 and like, I'm not saying this to imply there was any physical abuse, 368 00:18:27,314 --> 00:18:29,358 but he just sort of, put his hand on the back of my neck 369 00:18:29,441 --> 00:18:32,069 and was, like, "I'm gonna fuck you some day." Something like that. 370 00:18:32,152 --> 00:18:34,196 I am not saying he meant rape. 371 00:18:34,279 --> 00:18:38,534 I think he meant we're gonna fuck some day, you know, like, consensual. 372 00:18:38,617 --> 00:18:41,161 I just remember kind of looking around and... 373 00:18:41,995 --> 00:18:44,873 ...like, no one heard that, you know, and I was, like, "That's so weird." 374 00:18:45,707 --> 00:18:50,379 I went on a date and I didn't know this guy very well, and I sneezed. 375 00:18:50,462 --> 00:18:54,049 And I sneezed so hard that it shook my entire body 376 00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:55,592 and I shit my pants. 377 00:18:55,676 --> 00:18:57,970 [laughter] And it was, um... 378 00:18:58,053 --> 00:18:59,471 And then, a few years later, 379 00:18:59,555 --> 00:19:02,683 I was on one of my opening act gigs in Florida, 380 00:19:02,766 --> 00:19:06,019 and in order to be a headlining act, you have to work the road 381 00:19:06,103 --> 00:19:08,105 and be an opening act for a long time. 382 00:19:08,188 --> 00:19:10,065 And I got an email from him and, again, 383 00:19:10,149 --> 00:19:12,526 I was just using the hotel computer, and he said, 384 00:19:12,609 --> 00:19:16,029 "I see on your website that you're in West Palm Beach, Florida." 385 00:19:16,113 --> 00:19:18,615 He's like, "I have a gig in Miami next week. 386 00:19:18,699 --> 00:19:22,452 "If you just stayed in Florida you can open for me in Miami, and just come down to Miami." 387 00:19:22,536 --> 00:19:24,830 And I just was really poor and had no money, 388 00:19:24,913 --> 00:19:27,708 and I couldn't have afforded a hotel for five days, 389 00:19:27,791 --> 00:19:29,501 and I would love to be his opening act. 390 00:19:29,585 --> 00:19:33,839 I'd love to get that experience of being in front of bigger crowds 391 00:19:33,922 --> 00:19:35,757 that are-- It was probably gonna be full. 392 00:19:35,841 --> 00:19:39,011 But he said, "P.S., I'm divorced now, or getting divorced." 393 00:19:39,094 --> 00:19:40,637 And I went, "Oh, I'm not gonna do it, 394 00:19:40,721 --> 00:19:42,890 "because he probably wants someone that might, like, 395 00:19:42,973 --> 00:19:45,058 "fool around with him, or sleep with him on the road." 396 00:19:45,142 --> 00:19:47,060 That was, like, the first time with him that, 397 00:19:47,144 --> 00:19:49,188 an instinct kicked in and I wasn't like, 398 00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:52,065 "Oh my God, isn't it..." I kind of was, like, this isn't good. 399 00:19:53,442 --> 00:19:55,694 You don't know how it affects you 400 00:19:55,777 --> 00:19:59,072 because it's so weird and small, 401 00:19:59,156 --> 00:20:01,283 that you don't know something's weird, 402 00:20:01,366 --> 00:20:05,954 because you've been socialized in this world where men get to treat women however they want. 403 00:20:07,456 --> 00:20:10,751 [Host] Guys, give it up for Jen Kirkman, let her hear it! 404 00:20:10,834 --> 00:20:12,669 [cheering and applause] 405 00:20:12,753 --> 00:20:15,255 [Jen Kirkman] I don't know to be traumatized by what Louis did, 406 00:20:15,339 --> 00:20:16,965 but I was bothered by it, I was disturbed. 407 00:20:17,049 --> 00:20:20,552 As the years went on, and I had more of a sense of self, I went, 408 00:20:20,636 --> 00:20:22,930 "Oh my God, that is so fucked up." 409 00:20:23,013 --> 00:20:25,724 And this whole culture of people that think 410 00:20:25,807 --> 00:20:28,018 it's normal, they're fucked up. 411 00:20:28,101 --> 00:20:29,519 But that was really it. 412 00:20:29,603 --> 00:20:32,856 That was the big ending to my story, until I talked about it. 413 00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:35,567 You guys are awesome, have a good night, I'm Jen Kirkman. 414 00:20:35,651 --> 00:20:37,444 [cheering and applause] 415 00:20:55,879 --> 00:20:59,591 So I got a call from my agent, before this. 416 00:20:59,675 --> 00:21:02,261 [sighs] And I had some pretty bad news. 417 00:21:02,344 --> 00:21:06,431 Turns out I have aged out of both being able to play Mark Maron's girlfriend 418 00:21:06,515 --> 00:21:08,684 on an episode of Maron, 419 00:21:08,767 --> 00:21:11,520 and getting jerked off in front of by Louis C.K. 420 00:21:11,603 --> 00:21:13,397 [laughter] 421 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,274 That's a joke, I don't have an agent. 422 00:21:15,357 --> 00:21:17,192 [laughter] 423 00:21:18,986 --> 00:21:20,779 [Megan Koester]I knew about the Louis stuff 424 00:21:20,862 --> 00:21:24,574 because it was just, basically, an open secret in the comedy community, 425 00:21:24,658 --> 00:21:27,703 but also one of those sort of, like, open secrets where 426 00:21:27,786 --> 00:21:30,539 sometimes I would hear, "Well, he did it to this person, this person." 427 00:21:30,622 --> 00:21:31,999 One time I heard he did it to men, 428 00:21:32,082 --> 00:21:33,709 and I was, like, "That's interesting." 429 00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:35,168 That ended up being just a rumor. 430 00:21:36,169 --> 00:21:41,300 But I had just heard about this habitual behavior that had been happening 431 00:21:41,383 --> 00:21:46,471 for a series of years, and not just to randos, I mean, to other comedians. 432 00:21:46,555 --> 00:21:48,682 Also, I mean, I'm a fucking amateur. 433 00:21:48,765 --> 00:21:50,017 I'm a fucking scrub. 434 00:21:50,100 --> 00:21:53,812 If I know about this shit, everybody knows about this shit. 435 00:21:53,895 --> 00:21:56,857 [Jen Kirkman] Someone's, like, "Oh he did it to these two girls, 436 00:21:56,940 --> 00:22:00,402 "they did this comedy festival together in Aspen, this comedy duo." 437 00:22:00,485 --> 00:22:03,113 I was like, "Well were they upset? What was the thing?" 438 00:22:03,196 --> 00:22:05,824 The telephone game that was played was, 439 00:22:05,907 --> 00:22:07,993 "Oh, no, no, no, it was a party and there was, like, 440 00:22:08,076 --> 00:22:10,829 "a bunch of people in the room and everyone was doing their thing. 441 00:22:10,912 --> 00:22:13,457 "Some people were drinking beer, some people were smoking pot, 442 00:22:13,540 --> 00:22:15,751 "he was jerking off in the corner, like you do at a party, 443 00:22:15,834 --> 00:22:17,836 "you know, everyone's got their own thing." 444 00:22:19,421 --> 00:22:22,174 [Megan Koester] I would say an open secret is the sort of thing in which 445 00:22:22,257 --> 00:22:25,719 people love engaging in discussion about it, 446 00:22:25,802 --> 00:22:28,180 love being horrified by it, but it's like, 447 00:22:28,263 --> 00:22:30,432 "At the end of the day, my hands are tied." 448 00:22:30,515 --> 00:22:34,144 Ma'am, as I've told you several times already, this is a police matter. 449 00:22:34,227 --> 00:22:37,147 Well it doesn't seem to matter to the police. 450 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,275 [Michael Schur]We had him on the show 451 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,444 because whenever you have a big, juicy guest spot, 452 00:22:42,527 --> 00:22:44,821 and this was a love interest for the main character, 453 00:22:44,905 --> 00:22:47,866 there's always, like, get the biggest star you can. 454 00:22:48,784 --> 00:22:51,661 We took a different approach which was, like, 455 00:22:51,745 --> 00:22:54,247 let's just get the funniest person, like, who cares? 456 00:22:55,707 --> 00:22:59,044 It was the beginning of the second season 457 00:22:59,127 --> 00:23:01,463 and the show was, like, teetering on the brink. 458 00:23:01,546 --> 00:23:04,091 I don't think he's the reason that we stuck around and survived, 459 00:23:04,174 --> 00:23:05,258 but he's one of them. 460 00:23:06,259 --> 00:23:09,346 And then, at some point, and, again, I don't remember when, 461 00:23:09,429 --> 00:23:12,099 or how, or who told me, but I started hearing those-- 462 00:23:12,182 --> 00:23:16,561 A story of him in a hotel room or something. 463 00:23:16,645 --> 00:23:19,856 It was vague, and it was sort of, like, 464 00:23:19,940 --> 00:23:22,734 it was confusing, there weren't a lot of details, 465 00:23:22,818 --> 00:23:26,905 but I heard it then a bunch of times, like, and from different people. 466 00:23:26,988 --> 00:23:29,783 If his name came up, that was a thing that people have said. 467 00:23:29,866 --> 00:23:34,913 And then we, many years later, had this idea of having him come back for an episode. 468 00:23:34,996 --> 00:23:36,623 -Hey, Leslie. -[groans] 469 00:23:38,041 --> 00:23:39,543 -Dave! -Hey. 470 00:23:39,626 --> 00:23:42,546 Oh my God, wow. 471 00:23:42,629 --> 00:23:44,214 And I kinda didn't do anything about it. 472 00:23:44,297 --> 00:23:48,427 We just kinda had him back and I pretended like I didn't know. 473 00:23:48,510 --> 00:23:50,178 My attitude, when I look back on it, 474 00:23:50,262 --> 00:23:52,055 was, well, that's not my problem. 475 00:23:52,139 --> 00:23:57,394 Like, I didn't do that and that's something that had happened 476 00:23:57,477 --> 00:24:00,647 somewhere else and I don't know the details, and I don't know if-- 477 00:24:00,730 --> 00:24:05,193 I don't even know if it's true or not, and so, it's not my problem. 478 00:24:10,031 --> 00:24:13,452 [Jesse David Fox] 2012, there's the Gawker Blind Item that said, 479 00:24:13,535 --> 00:24:15,787 "This famous comedian masturbated in front of people." 480 00:24:16,913 --> 00:24:18,832 Most people were assuming it's Louis. 481 00:24:21,042 --> 00:24:23,962 I would hear, "This comedian knows who the women are. 482 00:24:24,045 --> 00:24:25,839 "This comedian confirms it's true." 483 00:24:25,922 --> 00:24:29,134 But most people don't read blind items, 484 00:24:29,217 --> 00:24:31,845 and it didn't break his ascent, it's just sort of like, 485 00:24:31,928 --> 00:24:33,305 a blind item happened. 486 00:24:33,388 --> 00:24:35,474 You're exploding in a way that is-- 487 00:24:35,557 --> 00:24:37,767 You're now like an internet pioneer. 488 00:24:37,851 --> 00:24:43,607 You've got the show, but then you've found a way to circumvent Ticketmaster. 489 00:24:43,690 --> 00:24:47,360 You've figured out a way that people don't have to pay taxes on toiletries, 490 00:24:47,444 --> 00:24:48,862 -you've somehow... -[laughter] 491 00:24:48,945 --> 00:24:51,865 [Wesley Morris] Louis C.K., he's an elite comedian, 492 00:24:51,948 --> 00:24:55,619 and he's been an elite comedian for 15 years. 493 00:24:55,702 --> 00:24:58,121 These stories have been around for a while. 494 00:24:58,205 --> 00:25:03,376 Everybody knows and I mean, and everybody kind of, casually knows really. 495 00:25:03,460 --> 00:25:07,047 [laughing] I mean, it's obviously, this jerking off comedian, 496 00:25:07,130 --> 00:25:09,716 is obviously Louis C.K. 497 00:25:09,799 --> 00:25:13,136 One time I was jerking off. This is another-- This is another aging thing, 498 00:25:13,220 --> 00:25:15,180 I was jerking off and I looked at my penis, 499 00:25:15,263 --> 00:25:16,890 and it was blurry, 500 00:25:16,973 --> 00:25:21,853 because my eyes... are going, so I can't-- 501 00:25:21,937 --> 00:25:25,440 Because you're supposed to get reading glasses when this becomes blurry 502 00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:26,775 and that's exactly-- 503 00:25:26,858 --> 00:25:28,193 [laughter] 504 00:25:28,276 --> 00:25:30,820 That's the precise, fixed length. 505 00:25:34,115 --> 00:25:38,537 [Alison Herman] In 2015, Gawker then elaborated with another report 506 00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:41,790 from an anonymous tipster who reported that 507 00:25:41,873 --> 00:25:44,292 he had emailed Louis C.K.'s website to say, 508 00:25:44,376 --> 00:25:46,670 "It's messed up that you're doing this, you shouldn't." 509 00:25:46,753 --> 00:25:50,549 And then Louis C.K. called this person directly. 510 00:25:50,632 --> 00:25:52,259 The way I rationalized it, 511 00:25:52,342 --> 00:25:54,135 I was always like, 512 00:25:54,219 --> 00:25:59,266 "Well, they're not allegations with a name on them." 513 00:26:04,145 --> 00:26:09,150 It's kind of remarkable how close to the surface all this was brewing, 514 00:26:09,234 --> 00:26:15,073 and the cognitive dissonance it created with fans and critics 515 00:26:15,156 --> 00:26:17,617 and journalists including, frankly, myself, 516 00:26:17,701 --> 00:26:20,829 who were aware of this on some level, 517 00:26:20,912 --> 00:26:23,039 at the same time that we were 518 00:26:23,123 --> 00:26:26,334 evaluating and enjoying his work. 519 00:26:28,169 --> 00:26:31,840 [Jen Kirkman] I Seem Fun, The Diary of Jen Kirkman, episode 90, 520 00:26:31,923 --> 00:26:33,592 coming to you from Melbourne, Australia, 521 00:26:33,675 --> 00:26:35,427 in a hotel room, on an iPhone. 522 00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:39,389 I had a podcast at the time, every week, for my die hard fans, 523 00:26:39,472 --> 00:26:41,808 where I just talked about what it was like touring. 524 00:26:41,891 --> 00:26:45,312 I was doing this Melbourne Comedy Festival in Australia, 525 00:26:45,395 --> 00:26:46,896 but I'm doing all these interviews. 526 00:26:46,980 --> 00:26:48,982 You do press all day long. 527 00:26:49,065 --> 00:26:50,525 Just confirming, for our audience, 528 00:26:50,609 --> 00:26:51,901 when they come along and see you, 529 00:26:51,985 --> 00:26:56,489 they won't get any sex stories or any swearing in the show? 530 00:26:56,573 --> 00:26:58,491 Oh, there's some sex stories. 531 00:26:59,326 --> 00:27:01,161 [Jen Kirkman] My act had very mild jokes 532 00:27:01,244 --> 00:27:04,456 about my first time having sex, after being divorced. 533 00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:06,541 I had sex with a younger man, I was, like, 534 00:27:06,625 --> 00:27:10,503 39 or 38 and he was, like, 25. 535 00:27:10,587 --> 00:27:13,798 I regret it now, but I exaggerated. 536 00:27:13,882 --> 00:27:15,508 I was 37 when I got divorced. 537 00:27:15,592 --> 00:27:17,385 I went on a date with a 20-year-old. 538 00:27:17,469 --> 00:27:20,013 I thought, "I'm gonna be a cougar. Seems to be in style." 539 00:27:20,096 --> 00:27:20,805 [laughter] 540 00:27:20,889 --> 00:27:22,766 He was not legal to get into any bars, 541 00:27:22,849 --> 00:27:24,059 so I took him back to my place. 542 00:27:24,142 --> 00:27:26,436 I served him wine out of the glasses I got for my wedding. 543 00:27:26,519 --> 00:27:28,480 I knew I would use those some day. 544 00:27:28,563 --> 00:27:32,859 And all the reviews came out and people were calling my show "dirty", 545 00:27:32,942 --> 00:27:34,486 in a derogatory way. 546 00:27:35,236 --> 00:27:37,447 I was like, wait, I'm A, not even dirty, 547 00:27:37,530 --> 00:27:39,074 but B, so what if I was? 548 00:27:39,157 --> 00:27:41,201 I know a ton of guys that are way dirtier than me 549 00:27:41,284 --> 00:27:42,952 and they're, like, getting lauded for it. 550 00:27:43,036 --> 00:27:45,705 So here I am in my little hotel room, with my podcast 551 00:27:45,789 --> 00:27:48,667 that maybe a thousand people listen to a week, you know, 552 00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:49,918 not a lot of people, was like, 553 00:27:50,001 --> 00:27:53,046 "I'll tell you what it's like being a woman in comedy." That was the episode. 554 00:27:53,129 --> 00:27:55,298 I am so sick of being told I can't talk about my age. 555 00:27:55,382 --> 00:27:58,718 I am so sick of being told everything that I can't do. 556 00:27:58,802 --> 00:28:01,054 Well, you should see the way some of these men behave, 557 00:28:01,137 --> 00:28:05,725 not on camera, not on stage, that is so appalling to me. 558 00:28:05,809 --> 00:28:11,231 The fact that my art gets reviews that paint me as this nasty whore, 559 00:28:11,314 --> 00:28:12,899 it really angers me. 560 00:28:13,525 --> 00:28:16,361 If the problem with my act is you think it means something about me, 561 00:28:16,444 --> 00:28:17,779 well you're wrong, it doesn't. 562 00:28:17,862 --> 00:28:20,073 I'm not actually a problematic person 563 00:28:20,156 --> 00:28:21,866 who's sexually harassing people. 564 00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:26,496 If that is the problem, then you need to take these pervert guys to task, 565 00:28:26,579 --> 00:28:30,125 'cause they're actually doing it in real life, and their act is kind of 566 00:28:30,208 --> 00:28:32,794 a cover for it, or they're telling us who they are, 567 00:28:32,877 --> 00:28:34,838 but you're not listening. 568 00:28:34,921 --> 00:28:36,881 I have this friend, his daughter is 15, he's like, 569 00:28:36,965 --> 00:28:40,760 "She's gonna start having sex. I don't know what to do. 570 00:28:40,844 --> 00:28:43,138 "What if she has a bad sexual experience?" 571 00:28:43,221 --> 00:28:48,309 Oh, she's gonna have a number of those. Oh yes, she is. 572 00:28:48,393 --> 00:28:51,855 Her whole life is gonna be just walking through a blizzard of bad dicks, 573 00:28:51,938 --> 00:28:55,066 just... [imitating blizzard winds] 574 00:28:55,150 --> 00:28:58,570 Ow! This dick just-- 575 00:28:58,653 --> 00:28:59,904 Jesus. 576 00:28:59,988 --> 00:29:01,698 What the fuck, that was a big one. 577 00:29:01,781 --> 00:29:03,450 Holy fuck, I'm just trying to get to work. 578 00:29:03,533 --> 00:29:04,951 [laughter] 579 00:29:05,034 --> 00:29:09,330 [Jen Kirkman]A very famous comic, probably at Cosby level at this point, 580 00:29:09,414 --> 00:29:13,418 he is lauded as a genius, he is basically a French film maker 581 00:29:13,501 --> 00:29:17,005 at this point, you know, new material every year. 582 00:29:17,088 --> 00:29:20,967 He's a known perv, and there's a lockdown on talking about him, 583 00:29:21,050 --> 00:29:25,555 and this guy didn't rape me, but he made a certain, difficult decision 584 00:29:25,638 --> 00:29:28,308 to go on tour with him really hard, because I knew if I did, 585 00:29:28,391 --> 00:29:30,101 I would get more of the same weird treatment 586 00:29:30,185 --> 00:29:32,353 I had been getting from him and it was really fucked up. 587 00:29:32,437 --> 00:29:34,105 What it's like to be a woman in comedy, 588 00:29:34,189 --> 00:29:36,149 you hear these comments, you get offered dicks. 589 00:29:36,232 --> 00:29:37,192 That's it. 590 00:29:37,275 --> 00:29:38,485 [tense music plays] 591 00:29:40,153 --> 00:29:43,114 And so this blog put a picture of me and a picture of Louis, 592 00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:44,741 said something to the effect, 593 00:29:44,824 --> 00:29:46,951 "Did Jen Kirkman call out Louis C.K. on her podcast?" 594 00:29:47,619 --> 00:29:49,954 That was the first day of, like, the end of my life. [laughs] 595 00:29:50,038 --> 00:29:51,956 Like, it just snowballed after that. 596 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:53,416 And so then I took it down. 597 00:29:54,292 --> 00:29:56,836 Articles were coming out, "What's Jen Kirkman talking about?" 598 00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,421 It was lonely, lonely, bad time. 599 00:29:59,297 --> 00:30:01,716 Louis at one point was, like, emailed me, like, "Call me." 600 00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:03,802 I was, like, I knew what it was about and I was, like, 601 00:30:03,885 --> 00:30:06,429 "No. We have to have this discussion over email." 602 00:30:06,513 --> 00:30:11,392 And he's, like, "Look, I know what I did to you." And he named all the things. 603 00:30:11,476 --> 00:30:13,853 I said, "Do you want to make a joint statement with me, then? 604 00:30:13,937 --> 00:30:18,358 "That would really help, if you could just be like, 'Jen and I talked, 605 00:30:18,441 --> 00:30:21,861 "'Yes, I did say these things, she's cool and I never did this to anyone else?'" 606 00:30:21,945 --> 00:30:23,029 He's like, "I can't." 607 00:30:24,113 --> 00:30:25,865 And I didn't see that as a red flag. 608 00:30:25,949 --> 00:30:27,992 He's like, "I've just learned to handle this stuff. 609 00:30:28,076 --> 00:30:30,161 "This is your first time going through it, but, like, 610 00:30:30,245 --> 00:30:33,456 "you don't talk to the media, ever, and like, I have daughters." 611 00:30:33,540 --> 00:30:36,501 I said, "You're right, you're right, your daughters, no, totally right." 612 00:30:36,584 --> 00:30:39,087 He's, like, "Just let this go and it'll go away." 613 00:30:39,879 --> 00:30:42,090 Every year, I had something good happening. 614 00:30:42,173 --> 00:30:45,093 Then I had another special, I had another book, I had another tour. 615 00:30:45,176 --> 00:30:47,053 Every single press was like, 616 00:30:47,136 --> 00:30:49,430 "If she doesn't talk about Louis, we're not interested." 617 00:30:50,849 --> 00:30:53,810 So I ended up not doing a lot of press for any of those things 618 00:30:53,893 --> 00:30:56,187 because they only want to talk about Louis. 619 00:30:57,689 --> 00:31:00,692 I have a lot of regrets about the way I handled things 620 00:31:00,775 --> 00:31:03,736 but it was something I went through that I was not prepared for. 621 00:31:03,820 --> 00:31:06,239 Like, thrown into a war with no battle training. 622 00:31:06,322 --> 00:31:08,241 Nobody was fighting for me, nobody was, like, 623 00:31:08,324 --> 00:31:09,909 "Leave her alone." Nobody was, like, 624 00:31:09,993 --> 00:31:12,203 "You know what, I have to fucking say something, guys. 625 00:31:12,287 --> 00:31:15,164 "I'm a successful man in comedy, this shit's true." 626 00:31:15,248 --> 00:31:16,791 Even some women comics were, like, 627 00:31:16,875 --> 00:31:19,127 "That's just Louis, he does that, it's funny." 628 00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:21,629 So, I just, pfft, you know. 629 00:31:21,713 --> 00:31:24,966 At one point I just lied and said, "Louis never did anything to me. 630 00:31:25,049 --> 00:31:26,342 "All those stories are made up." 631 00:31:26,426 --> 00:31:28,595 I didn't know what else to do, I needed it to stop. 632 00:31:33,391 --> 00:31:36,519 [Megan Koester]We're in my home, sadly. 633 00:31:36,603 --> 00:31:39,856 This is my, you know, wall of effects. 634 00:31:39,939 --> 00:31:42,150 We got my Wood Man painting, 635 00:31:42,233 --> 00:31:44,819 that I got at the Six Street Good Will, I enjoy. 636 00:31:44,903 --> 00:31:47,155 The size of the clarinet relative to the rest of his body. 637 00:31:48,364 --> 00:31:51,200 Here is a knife my friend Sarah found in a bush. 638 00:31:51,284 --> 00:31:53,578 That goes there. This is just-- 639 00:31:53,661 --> 00:31:56,998 This whole apartment's got big "that goes there energy", you know what I mean? 640 00:31:57,081 --> 00:31:58,625 Where it's, like, you put something, 641 00:31:58,708 --> 00:32:00,543 and then three years later, it's still there. 642 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:04,172 It's incredibly dispiriting to see, like, 643 00:32:04,255 --> 00:32:07,467 the retention rate of female comedians. 644 00:32:07,550 --> 00:32:12,680 Most female comedians quit, because it's just a series of indignities 645 00:32:12,764 --> 00:32:14,724 that they have to suffer their entire life, 646 00:32:14,807 --> 00:32:18,311 to get less than 50% of what men get. 647 00:32:20,229 --> 00:32:23,983 Just For Laughs quite possibly is the biggest comedy festival in the world. 648 00:32:24,859 --> 00:32:26,027 They contacted me. 649 00:32:26,110 --> 00:32:28,947 They were looking for somebody to write about the festival. 650 00:32:29,030 --> 00:32:31,574 I knew someone who was an editor at Gawker. 651 00:32:31,658 --> 00:32:33,242 I asked them if that would be fine, 652 00:32:33,326 --> 00:32:35,745 if I went there on their behalf. 653 00:32:36,704 --> 00:32:40,083 I knew that I wanted to write about the Louis stuff, 654 00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:41,709 because I had seen people ignore it. 655 00:32:41,793 --> 00:32:43,503 I knew everybody else knew about it, 656 00:32:43,586 --> 00:32:47,131 and the fact that he was the biggest motherfucker in the game at the time, 657 00:32:47,215 --> 00:32:50,635 people were unwilling to do anything to shame him publicly, 658 00:32:50,718 --> 00:32:53,846 for what he had been doing for, like, 20 years at that fucking point. 659 00:32:53,930 --> 00:32:57,934 Around the time that I went there, the Bill Cosby thing, 660 00:32:58,017 --> 00:33:03,147 basically, it was undeniable that he had committed miscellaneous sex crimes. 661 00:33:03,231 --> 00:33:05,274 And so I thought that I would just ask people, 662 00:33:05,358 --> 00:33:06,818 that were going down the red carpet, 663 00:33:06,901 --> 00:33:08,778 "How do you feel about the Cosby accusations?" 664 00:33:08,861 --> 00:33:09,988 And they'd say, you know, 665 00:33:10,071 --> 00:33:12,323 "I don't think they're accusations, I think it's true." 666 00:33:12,407 --> 00:33:15,910 And then I would go, "Well how do you feel about the Louis accusations?" 667 00:33:15,994 --> 00:33:19,789 And people that I know knew, because I know, would be, like, 668 00:33:19,872 --> 00:33:21,666 "Oh, I don't know what you're talking about? 669 00:33:21,749 --> 00:33:23,626 "Louis did what? What?" [grumbles] 670 00:33:23,710 --> 00:33:25,211 "Hey, I don't know, I don't know." 671 00:33:25,294 --> 00:33:28,006 Because, again, at the time he was the biggest comedian in the world. 672 00:33:28,089 --> 00:33:32,260 You can't say shit about him because he's the one putting asses into seats. 673 00:33:32,343 --> 00:33:35,680 I would say I asked it to maybe about, like, four or five people 674 00:33:35,763 --> 00:33:38,099 before the COO, I believe now 675 00:33:38,182 --> 00:33:40,226 he's the head of the Just For Laughs organization, 676 00:33:40,309 --> 00:33:42,854 because the former one was ousted for being a sex pest. 677 00:33:42,937 --> 00:33:45,398 He approached me and basically, like, 678 00:33:45,481 --> 00:33:49,652 red in the face, started yelling at me that he had heard what I was doing, 679 00:33:49,736 --> 00:33:54,490 what I was asking, and I could ask those sort of questions on my own turf, 680 00:33:54,574 --> 00:33:59,328 but this was their turf and Louis was a friend of the Just For Laughs organization. 681 00:33:59,412 --> 00:34:01,748 And so I start, sort of, tearing up 682 00:34:01,831 --> 00:34:03,291 because, at the end of the day, 683 00:34:03,374 --> 00:34:06,377 I'm really a comedian and I just got yelled at 684 00:34:06,461 --> 00:34:10,089 by one of the heads of the biggest comedy festival in the world, 685 00:34:10,173 --> 00:34:12,216 and threatened, basically, 686 00:34:12,300 --> 00:34:15,595 for just simply asking a fucking question. 687 00:34:16,596 --> 00:34:19,932 I wanted to ask you about the last interview on your show, 688 00:34:20,016 --> 00:34:21,642 which I think was Louis C.K. 689 00:34:21,726 --> 00:34:23,019 [Jon Stewart] Yeah. 690 00:34:23,102 --> 00:34:26,939 So from my memory, I think that was after some of the rumors 691 00:34:27,023 --> 00:34:30,109 about Louis C.K.'s alleged harassment of female comedians 692 00:34:30,193 --> 00:34:31,778 -had started to come out. -Whoa. 693 00:34:31,861 --> 00:34:34,489 -it was just a thing circulating on the internet. -Wait, what? 694 00:34:34,572 --> 00:34:38,493 I think this was after Jen Kirkman, for example, had talked about, like, 695 00:34:38,576 --> 00:34:42,080 her knowledge of Louis C.K.'s alleged harassment of female comedians. 696 00:34:42,163 --> 00:34:44,540 -At least people interpreted it that way. -Yeah. 697 00:34:44,624 --> 00:34:47,960 There was an article on Gawker, I believe, about it, 698 00:34:48,044 --> 00:34:51,714 and I just wanted to know, I mean, if this is the first you're hearing of it 699 00:34:51,798 --> 00:34:54,133 maybe I already got my answer. 700 00:34:54,217 --> 00:34:57,386 That there really wasn't a discussion about this, on the show, but... 701 00:34:57,470 --> 00:35:00,890 [laughing] So, wait, wait, wait, I'm a little lost. 702 00:35:00,973 --> 00:35:04,268 So the internet said Louis harassed women? 703 00:35:04,352 --> 00:35:06,354 So there was first a Gawker article, 704 00:35:06,437 --> 00:35:08,856 and then there was a couple of Tweets by people, 705 00:35:08,940 --> 00:35:11,609 -and I know this is all internet stuff. -So, pretty authoritative. 706 00:35:11,692 --> 00:35:14,195 -I know that this is how-- -You know who you're talking to, right? 707 00:35:14,278 --> 00:35:16,739 No, I totally get that and it's a fair point 708 00:35:16,823 --> 00:35:21,369 that like, internet rumors are not, you know, court cases or anything. 709 00:35:21,452 --> 00:35:23,663 I just wanted to know if there was any sort of discussion 710 00:35:23,746 --> 00:35:26,499 about that on the show, if that was a thing on your radar? 711 00:35:26,582 --> 00:35:28,626 No, uh, he's... 712 00:35:30,795 --> 00:35:33,506 I-I-I didn't see the... Tweets. 713 00:35:33,589 --> 00:35:34,799 [laughter] 714 00:35:36,634 --> 00:35:39,929 [Alison Herman]Louis was directly asked about these rumors in 2016, 715 00:35:40,012 --> 00:35:43,224 in an interview with Vulture, and so first he said, 716 00:35:43,307 --> 00:35:46,727 "That's nothing to me, that's not real." 717 00:35:46,811 --> 00:35:50,606 To say, "that's not real", it's almost, like, 718 00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:55,862 denying the validity, or personhood, or standing of the person 719 00:35:55,945 --> 00:35:58,322 who's even brought up that concern in the first place. 720 00:35:58,406 --> 00:36:03,744 And then later on he says, "You can't expect every single person to like you, 721 00:36:03,828 --> 00:36:07,623 "or have a positive opinion of you, and so I'm just going to focus on the work 722 00:36:07,707 --> 00:36:09,417 "and not on my life." 723 00:36:12,295 --> 00:36:17,633 Before 2017, he started moving into a role of more of a producer, 724 00:36:17,717 --> 00:36:20,720 in addition to being a creator in his own right. 725 00:36:20,803 --> 00:36:25,975 I'm grateful to Louis for telling John Langraf that I was a funny lady, 726 00:36:26,058 --> 00:36:29,645 to do a show from a lady's perspective. 727 00:36:29,729 --> 00:36:36,611 [Alison Herman] He used his power and sway in the business to get Better Things made, 728 00:36:36,694 --> 00:36:38,029 which is Pamela Adlon's show. 729 00:36:38,112 --> 00:36:40,656 [crying] 730 00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:42,283 [Alison Herman]In a fascinating way, 731 00:36:42,366 --> 00:36:45,077 it's kind of Louis' mirror image as a show. 732 00:36:45,161 --> 00:36:50,082 It's, like, the perspective of a divorced woman, as opposed to a divorced man. 733 00:36:50,166 --> 00:36:51,959 [Tig Notaro]Good evening, hello. 734 00:36:52,043 --> 00:36:53,920 [cheering and applause] 735 00:36:54,003 --> 00:36:56,130 I have cancer, how are you? 736 00:36:57,673 --> 00:37:01,510 [Jesse David Fox] He was there when Tig Notaro did the legendary set 737 00:37:01,594 --> 00:37:03,804 where she came out and she says, "I have cancer." 738 00:37:03,888 --> 00:37:05,181 He was, like, "Let me put it out." 739 00:37:05,264 --> 00:37:06,849 He had a big platform, 740 00:37:06,933 --> 00:37:10,186 so, that was a way to get a lot of attention to this thing. 741 00:37:10,269 --> 00:37:13,189 Louis watched your performance and Tweeted, "It's the greatest stand up 742 00:37:13,272 --> 00:37:16,609 "I've seen." That he has seen in his 27 year career, 743 00:37:16,692 --> 00:37:18,027 what you did that night. 744 00:37:18,110 --> 00:37:20,446 -Wow. -Absolutely incredible performance. 745 00:37:20,529 --> 00:37:22,281 [cheering and applause] 746 00:37:22,365 --> 00:37:24,408 Thanks. 747 00:37:24,492 --> 00:37:28,913 [Alison Herman] And then, after that, Louis C.K. was an executive producer 748 00:37:28,996 --> 00:37:33,459 on One Mississippi, which is the Amazon show that Tig made, 749 00:37:33,542 --> 00:37:37,296 based on the events that she described in that stand up set. 750 00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:39,882 We're making an animated show now with Albert Brookes. 751 00:37:39,966 --> 00:37:43,678 We make Pamela Adlon's show, Better Things, 752 00:37:43,761 --> 00:37:47,098 Zach Galifianakis' show, Baskets, that's a big hit. 753 00:37:47,181 --> 00:37:50,268 And Tig Notaro's show on Amazon. 754 00:37:50,351 --> 00:37:51,936 So we make a lot of shows. 755 00:37:52,019 --> 00:37:55,273 You say, well, Louis's not a studio head, but isn't he? 756 00:37:55,356 --> 00:37:58,943 He's a comedy head of his comedy community. 757 00:37:59,026 --> 00:38:01,779 That's a lot of power, 'cause he can put friends on the show, 758 00:38:01,862 --> 00:38:03,698 he can not put friends on the show. 759 00:38:03,781 --> 00:38:08,327 People are scared that they want to be on his side, for work. 760 00:38:09,495 --> 00:38:11,998 [Jen Kirkman]My friend, Tig Notaro, I was over her house, 761 00:38:12,081 --> 00:38:14,166 and we were talking, and she's, like, 762 00:38:14,250 --> 00:38:16,127 telling me a story about Louis, 763 00:38:16,210 --> 00:38:18,337 and then she was like, "Oh, by the way, have you, like, 764 00:38:18,421 --> 00:38:21,382 "heard stuff about him? Like, I've heard stuff." 765 00:38:22,425 --> 00:38:24,802 [Tig Notaro]When we were moving towards doing the pilot 766 00:38:24,885 --> 00:38:30,641 is when I saw sides of him that I hadn't seen, 767 00:38:30,725 --> 00:38:35,688 and I shared that with other people, 768 00:38:35,771 --> 00:38:42,778 and that's when I started hearing stories about the behavior. 769 00:38:43,779 --> 00:38:47,742 I had been asked, in the press, what I thought 770 00:38:47,825 --> 00:38:49,368 and I said he should handle it. 771 00:38:50,703 --> 00:38:51,620 [knocks at door] 772 00:38:51,704 --> 00:38:53,789 Hey, I'm just finishing up an email, come on in. 773 00:38:54,999 --> 00:38:56,709 Oh, could you close the door, please? 774 00:38:56,792 --> 00:38:58,294 -Oh yeah, sure. -Thanks. 775 00:39:01,797 --> 00:39:02,757 Um... 776 00:39:07,636 --> 00:39:08,512 I mean, I... 777 00:39:10,056 --> 00:39:14,018 -I definitely want to get out of here. -Yeah, right? 778 00:39:14,101 --> 00:39:16,854 [Sean L. McCarthy]She did an episode, on her show, One Mississippi, 779 00:39:16,937 --> 00:39:20,024 where an executive masturbates in front of a woman. 780 00:39:22,109 --> 00:39:24,528 People would ask her about that episode 781 00:39:24,612 --> 00:39:27,156 and that's when people started to put the pieces together. 782 00:39:30,826 --> 00:39:33,996 [Melena Ryzik] Even while these rumors are circulating and even building, 783 00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:36,248 because there's more online attention, 784 00:39:36,332 --> 00:39:38,209 he's continuing to build his career. 785 00:39:38,292 --> 00:39:41,587 He even had this movie come to the Toronto Film Festival, 786 00:39:41,670 --> 00:39:47,176 which seemed to go right up to the line of addressing some of these same situations. 787 00:39:47,259 --> 00:39:49,970 Please welcome Louis fucking C.K. 788 00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:51,472 [cheering and applause] 789 00:39:54,934 --> 00:39:58,145 [Cara Buckley] I was there as a Hollywood awards season reporter 790 00:39:58,229 --> 00:40:00,689 and Louis was premiering this film. 791 00:40:00,773 --> 00:40:02,066 There was a lot of buzz about it. 792 00:40:02,149 --> 00:40:03,818 You know, he was a beloved character. 793 00:40:03,901 --> 00:40:05,611 -Hi, Daddy. -Hi. 794 00:40:05,736 --> 00:40:07,196 Hey, China. 795 00:40:07,279 --> 00:40:10,574 [Cara Buckley] It starts with this teenage girl walking around 796 00:40:10,658 --> 00:40:13,035 in almost next to nothing, and that's his daughter, 797 00:40:13,119 --> 00:40:16,497 and she ends up being seduced by a 60-something-year-old man. 798 00:40:17,331 --> 00:40:21,293 And then there are characters in the movie pretending to masturbate. 799 00:40:21,377 --> 00:40:25,631 [grunting] 800 00:40:25,714 --> 00:40:26,882 Oh, God. 801 00:40:28,259 --> 00:40:30,553 [Cara Buckley]I emerged from that screening 802 00:40:30,636 --> 00:40:31,804 with my jaw on the ground. 803 00:40:31,887 --> 00:40:33,556 I couldn't believe the movie, 804 00:40:33,639 --> 00:40:40,104 given it almost seemed like a... a defiance, for him to write these scenes in. 805 00:40:41,230 --> 00:40:45,818 I had a sit down with him and asked him, "Why did you do this? 806 00:40:46,777 --> 00:40:49,572 "What was the purpose?" And he actually said, 807 00:40:49,655 --> 00:40:52,408 "Oh, it means nothing, it's just coincidental. 808 00:40:52,491 --> 00:40:55,453 "There're scenes in the movie, a character's pretending to masturbate, 809 00:40:55,536 --> 00:40:58,789 "while these are the huge rumors circulating about me." 810 00:40:59,582 --> 00:41:01,667 And with an absolute straight face. 811 00:41:01,750 --> 00:41:04,295 We were sitting right across from each other, 812 00:41:04,378 --> 00:41:07,798 at a not very large cafe table having this conversation. 813 00:41:10,718 --> 00:41:12,303 You like looking at young girls? 814 00:41:13,929 --> 00:41:15,764 Sure, who doesn't? 815 00:41:15,848 --> 00:41:19,477 I mean if you had a choice between looking at a pretty girl your age, 816 00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,271 or a retired bus driver, who would you choose? 817 00:41:22,354 --> 00:41:24,356 [laughs] 818 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:25,733 [Alison Herman]I Love You Daddy 819 00:41:25,816 --> 00:41:28,944 is almost explicitly about a Woody Allen type figure. 820 00:41:29,028 --> 00:41:33,574 It's essentially a movie about how to deal with a problematic artist, 821 00:41:33,657 --> 00:41:38,454 by someone many would now consider to be a problematic artist. 822 00:41:38,537 --> 00:41:41,499 [Interviewer] You know, you're really kind of close to 823 00:41:41,582 --> 00:41:43,959 some things within the entertainment industry. 824 00:41:44,043 --> 00:41:48,005 Tell us a little bit about, you know, why you wanted to tell this story. 825 00:41:48,088 --> 00:41:51,675 You know, it just, um... 826 00:41:51,759 --> 00:41:56,305 I guess I like to go up to electric fences and pee on 'em and shit on 'em. 827 00:41:56,388 --> 00:41:58,933 -I just... -[laughter] 828 00:41:59,808 --> 00:42:02,686 [Megan Koester]Out of the blue, I get this email asking, 829 00:42:02,770 --> 00:42:05,648 "Hey, do you want to see a screening of I Love You Daddy?" 830 00:42:05,731 --> 00:42:07,733 And I was, like, you know what, I do. 831 00:42:07,816 --> 00:42:10,110 It was very odd to receive this invitation. 832 00:42:11,195 --> 00:42:14,490 After I saw that movie, and as I was driving home, 833 00:42:14,573 --> 00:42:17,243 I just started crying, 'cause I thought he got away with it. 834 00:42:17,326 --> 00:42:20,204 Not only did he fucking get away with it, he's, like, 835 00:42:20,287 --> 00:42:21,747 rubbing it in all of our faces. 836 00:42:21,830 --> 00:42:24,542 No one's ever gonna fucking care about this. 837 00:42:24,625 --> 00:42:29,964 I just felt, like, as bad, perhaps even worse, than I felt at Just For Laughs 838 00:42:30,047 --> 00:42:32,841 because so much more time had passed after that. 839 00:42:36,595 --> 00:42:39,723 In 2015, I attended the Just For Laughs Festival as a journalist 840 00:42:39,807 --> 00:42:41,475 writing on behalf of Gawker. 841 00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,103 A profoundly flawed organization I miss desperately. 842 00:42:44,186 --> 00:42:47,231 The organizers of the festival did not know the purpose of my presence 843 00:42:47,314 --> 00:42:48,816 was a desire to get to the bottom 844 00:42:48,899 --> 00:42:52,403 of Louis CK's numerous accusations of sexual impropriety. 845 00:42:52,486 --> 00:42:55,155 The article where I talked about what had happened to me at JFL, 846 00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,408 I just published on my own personal website 847 00:42:57,491 --> 00:43:00,202 because I didn't think anyone would want to run it, 848 00:43:00,286 --> 00:43:05,749 And then it ended up, like, getting hard traction online, like, people were sharing it. 849 00:43:07,167 --> 00:43:09,295 And so Vice re-ran it. 850 00:43:10,921 --> 00:43:15,426 I mean, I just got infinite fucking just hate from, you know, 851 00:43:15,509 --> 00:43:18,387 fans of him saying that I was a liar, 852 00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:20,889 that I was jealous, that I wasn't funny, 853 00:43:20,973 --> 00:43:25,728 that he should sue me for libel, ETC., ETC., ETC., ETC., ETC. 854 00:43:25,811 --> 00:43:29,023 I haven't, like, uploaded a video of myself doing comedy 855 00:43:29,106 --> 00:43:31,025 really since this shit happened, 856 00:43:31,108 --> 00:43:33,694 just because it was such a tidal wave of hatred 857 00:43:33,777 --> 00:43:36,405 for these people violently disturbed by me 858 00:43:36,488 --> 00:43:41,118 even suggesting that their king of comedy could've done something improprietous. 859 00:43:41,201 --> 00:43:43,787 The argument is always, well, you know, 860 00:43:43,871 --> 00:43:47,124 comedy is a meritocracy, just like the entire entertainment industry, 861 00:43:47,207 --> 00:43:50,586 and you're just bitter because you're not as talented as my king, 862 00:43:50,669 --> 00:43:51,879 you know what I mean? 863 00:43:51,962 --> 00:43:56,425 There I stood alone, in the rain, waiting for a man who never emerged. 864 00:43:56,508 --> 00:43:58,135 "I think what you're doing is so brave", 865 00:43:58,218 --> 00:43:59,678 a friend told me, at the time. 866 00:43:59,762 --> 00:44:02,556 "I'm so scared", I replied. "I still am." 867 00:44:04,725 --> 00:44:08,187 And just a little lesson in there for you guys, do not call a woman crazy, 868 00:44:08,270 --> 00:44:11,523 unless you want to see a woman go fucking crazy, OK? 869 00:44:11,774 --> 00:44:13,442 Just don't. Just save yourselves. 870 00:44:13,525 --> 00:44:15,778 If you wanna see-- If you want to tell a woman she's crazy, 871 00:44:15,861 --> 00:44:17,946 just call her calm, it'll just throw us off 872 00:44:18,030 --> 00:44:19,448 and the whole thing's dissipated. 873 00:44:19,531 --> 00:44:21,700 Just go, "Hey, you're being really calm right now." 874 00:44:22,868 --> 00:44:25,829 "Oh, thank you, a psychic told me I was calm once, thanks." 875 00:44:25,913 --> 00:44:27,206 [laughter] 876 00:44:27,289 --> 00:44:29,750 "What were we fighting about, I don't even know?" 877 00:44:29,833 --> 00:44:32,836 [Jen Kirkman]I was interviewed by the Village Voice, 878 00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,755 and it was this nice woman who was, like, 879 00:44:34,838 --> 00:44:37,341 "So you've said all these conflicting things about Louis." 880 00:44:37,424 --> 00:44:40,928 And I was, like, Louis is my friend and I believe him, 881 00:44:41,011 --> 00:44:44,306 and if these women come forward, I will believe them, 882 00:44:44,390 --> 00:44:47,184 but they haven't, so what do you want me to say? 883 00:44:47,267 --> 00:44:49,812 And then New York Times calls me and they're, like, 884 00:44:49,895 --> 00:44:52,231 "We're doing an article about Louis, 885 00:44:52,314 --> 00:44:53,607 "and it's coming out next week." 886 00:44:53,691 --> 00:44:55,275 I'm, like, "Oh good!" 887 00:45:05,202 --> 00:45:07,705 [Samantha Bee]Listen up, creeps of Hollywood, 888 00:45:07,788 --> 00:45:09,957 we know who you are. 889 00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,503 Weinstein isn't the only cool democrat lurking in Film Festival hotels, 890 00:45:14,586 --> 00:45:17,214 waiting to play a jolly masturbation prank. 891 00:45:17,297 --> 00:45:22,094 Women talk to each other, and we talk to journalists, and we talk to lawyers. 892 00:45:22,177 --> 00:45:25,097 It's 2017, we don't have to put up with this shit. 893 00:45:25,180 --> 00:45:26,515 We are coming for you. 894 00:45:26,598 --> 00:45:28,100 [inquisitive music plays] 895 00:45:31,103 --> 00:45:33,188 [Jodi Kantor]This was a real moment in time. 896 00:45:34,398 --> 00:45:37,359 Our phones were ringing off the hook, 897 00:45:37,443 --> 00:45:41,655 and it felt like the dam was ready to burst. 898 00:45:41,739 --> 00:45:44,700 And that was certainly true with the Louis C.K. story, 899 00:45:44,783 --> 00:45:49,371 because there were these rumors but nobody knew the truth. 900 00:45:50,122 --> 00:45:52,207 [Cara Buckley] It felt like something we had to cover 901 00:45:52,291 --> 00:45:55,419 because he's this very prominent comedian 902 00:45:55,502 --> 00:45:57,796 blotted by some as this feminist. 903 00:45:58,881 --> 00:46:02,384 If he's done this stuff and he's denied it... 904 00:46:02,468 --> 00:46:06,638 ...we just thought, "Well, let's see how much of a story there is there." You know? 905 00:46:08,766 --> 00:46:12,978 [Jen Kirkman] The story that had become an unverified legend 906 00:46:13,061 --> 00:46:17,232 in comedy circles took place in 2002. 907 00:46:19,067 --> 00:46:20,861 [Melena Ryzik]Dana Goodman and Julia Wolov 908 00:46:20,944 --> 00:46:23,781 are comedians from Chicago, they were up and coming. 909 00:46:23,864 --> 00:46:27,618 They had a kind of, like, raucous, raunchy sort of humor. 910 00:46:28,869 --> 00:46:32,915 And they got a spot at the Aspen Comedy Festival, which is a big deal. 911 00:46:32,998 --> 00:46:35,918 After their show, they encountered Louis 912 00:46:36,001 --> 00:46:37,461 and he asked them to come hang out, 913 00:46:37,544 --> 00:46:39,171 have a drink with him in his hotel room. 914 00:46:39,254 --> 00:46:40,589 They didn't think anything of it, 915 00:46:40,672 --> 00:46:42,257 beyond, "Yeah, this guy wants to hang." 916 00:46:42,341 --> 00:46:43,884 Aspen's a small town. 917 00:46:43,967 --> 00:46:46,136 So, you know, everybody kind of, like, 918 00:46:46,220 --> 00:46:48,972 gathers in hotel bars, hotel spaces, 919 00:46:49,056 --> 00:46:51,934 because there's not many other places to go after the clubs close. 920 00:46:53,602 --> 00:46:56,021 So when they got back to his hotel room, 921 00:46:56,104 --> 00:46:58,690 they were still in their coats and hats and just bundled up. 922 00:46:59,483 --> 00:47:02,778 And he said to them, "Can I take my penis out?" 923 00:47:02,861 --> 00:47:04,363 They were, like, "What? No." 924 00:47:04,446 --> 00:47:06,657 You know, they didn't consent, they just didn't know-- 925 00:47:06,740 --> 00:47:08,575 They thought it was a joke, and laughed it off. 926 00:47:08,659 --> 00:47:10,828 But then he continued and he just got totally naked 927 00:47:10,911 --> 00:47:13,789 and started masturbating in front of them. 928 00:47:16,667 --> 00:47:19,044 They described themselves as being just, like, 929 00:47:19,127 --> 00:47:22,172 frozen in that moment and not knowing what to do. 930 00:47:22,256 --> 00:47:26,677 And then, when he was finished, they fled the room, 931 00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:30,597 and he called after them, "Which one is Dana and which one is Julia?" 932 00:47:32,808 --> 00:47:34,893 They told a lot of people what happened, 933 00:47:34,977 --> 00:47:37,437 they couldn't believe that it had happened. 934 00:47:38,397 --> 00:47:41,817 [Melena Ryzik] Dave Becky was Louis' manager at the time. 935 00:47:41,900 --> 00:47:45,571 Word got back to him about what happened to them. 936 00:47:45,654 --> 00:47:48,532 Their manager had a conversation with Dave Becky 937 00:47:48,615 --> 00:47:50,784 and Dana and Julia's perception of that conversation 938 00:47:50,868 --> 00:47:52,703 was that they were told to keep quiet. 939 00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:56,999 They were able to get some work when they first moved to LA, 940 00:47:57,082 --> 00:47:59,001 but overall, they didn't have the kind of career 941 00:47:59,084 --> 00:48:00,377 that you might have envisioned. 942 00:48:00,460 --> 00:48:04,381 Comedy writers who had such a hit following in Chicago and Aspen. 943 00:48:04,464 --> 00:48:07,926 They didn't know if they could pitch themselves to shows, 944 00:48:08,010 --> 00:48:09,887 or projects that Dave Becky was attached to, 945 00:48:09,970 --> 00:48:12,139 which ended up being a lot of shows and projects 946 00:48:12,222 --> 00:48:15,058 'cause he ended up being kind of a king maker in the comedy world. 947 00:48:16,894 --> 00:48:18,729 If you get a reputation of somebody who's like 948 00:48:18,812 --> 00:48:22,024 the squeaky wheel in this world, that cuts off your career at its knees. 949 00:48:23,859 --> 00:48:25,944 We got the sense that there were gonna be other women. 950 00:48:26,028 --> 00:48:28,739 We just sort of divvied up, you take this period of his career, 951 00:48:28,822 --> 00:48:31,825 you take this, and we just started making calls. 952 00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:34,369 It's a very tricky thing we're building. 953 00:48:34,453 --> 00:48:37,164 You have a couple of people who are willing to go on the record 954 00:48:37,247 --> 00:48:39,583 and talk about it, and then you approach someone else 955 00:48:39,666 --> 00:48:41,793 and they say, "Well, who else have you talked to?" 956 00:48:41,877 --> 00:48:44,838 And you can't say, but you can say something like, 957 00:48:44,922 --> 00:48:47,174 "We have other women willing to go on the record." 958 00:48:47,257 --> 00:48:49,051 You know, imagine how exposing that is? 959 00:48:49,134 --> 00:48:50,344 You're just living your life. 960 00:48:50,427 --> 00:48:51,970 Do you want to go in the New York Times 961 00:48:52,054 --> 00:48:54,598 and talk about how Louis C.K. masturbated in front of you? 962 00:48:55,641 --> 00:48:57,851 [Jen Kirkman] New York Times calls me and they're like, 963 00:48:57,935 --> 00:48:58,894 "Do you want to be in it?" 964 00:48:58,977 --> 00:49:00,812 I said "no", only because I thought 965 00:49:00,896 --> 00:49:04,316 all the victims in the article were more physical. 966 00:49:04,399 --> 00:49:06,985 That he actually jerked off in front of everyone, and I was like, 967 00:49:07,069 --> 00:49:09,446 Then I'm gonna get harassed for, "Why is she in this article? 968 00:49:09,529 --> 00:49:11,448 "He only said something." So I was just like, 969 00:49:11,531 --> 00:49:14,701 "Please, please leave me alone, I cannot be in this." 970 00:49:14,785 --> 00:49:15,911 So I declined. 971 00:49:17,788 --> 00:49:22,250 [Cara Buckley] We eventually found two other women willing to go on the record, 972 00:49:22,334 --> 00:49:25,170 and a fifth who didn't want to. 973 00:49:26,463 --> 00:49:29,383 [Melena Ryzik]As we talked to people, it became really clear 974 00:49:29,466 --> 00:49:31,927 that there was a pattern of behavior. 975 00:49:32,010 --> 00:49:34,554 I think there was some confusion in the early part 976 00:49:34,638 --> 00:49:38,475 of this kind of reporting, where you thought, "Is Louis just a bad flirt?" 977 00:49:38,558 --> 00:49:41,770 Probably. But that's not what this was. 978 00:49:41,853 --> 00:49:44,481 You know, one of the things that helped frame my thinking around it 979 00:49:44,564 --> 00:49:49,903 as I was writing it, was just, what if you worked in a bank? 980 00:49:49,987 --> 00:49:52,072 And you were, like, a regional manager, 981 00:49:52,155 --> 00:49:54,157 and you were in another office for a conference, 982 00:49:54,241 --> 00:49:56,827 and another regional manager came up and said, 983 00:49:56,910 --> 00:49:58,578 "Can I jerk off in front of you?" 984 00:50:00,914 --> 00:50:01,999 "What?" 985 00:50:02,082 --> 00:50:04,918 Like, that would be horrifying to you 986 00:50:05,002 --> 00:50:07,045 as a professional in that context. 987 00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:12,843 As a last step, you go to the subject of the story and you say, 988 00:50:12,926 --> 00:50:17,055 "These are the allegations we have against you. What can you respond?" 989 00:50:17,889 --> 00:50:20,225 [sighs] "For Louis, one of the incidents 990 00:50:20,308 --> 00:50:23,145 "of sexual misconduct involves two comedians, 991 00:50:23,228 --> 00:50:25,522 "Dana Min Goodman and Julia Wolov, 992 00:50:25,605 --> 00:50:28,525 "who told us that you invited them back to your hotel room, 993 00:50:28,608 --> 00:50:31,278 "asked if you could take out your penis, then take off your clothes 994 00:50:31,361 --> 00:50:33,321 "and masturbated in front of them. 995 00:50:33,405 --> 00:50:34,906 "How do you respond to this? 996 00:50:34,990 --> 00:50:37,701 "Rebecca Cory told us that in 2005, 997 00:50:37,784 --> 00:50:40,287 "while she was appearing in a TV pilot with you, 998 00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:42,497 "you asked if you could masturbate in front of her. 999 00:50:42,581 --> 00:50:43,874 "How do you respond? 1000 00:50:43,957 --> 00:50:47,252 "Abby Schachner said that in a 2003 phone conversation 1001 00:50:47,335 --> 00:50:50,589 "she could clearly hear you masturbating as the two of you spoke. 1002 00:50:50,672 --> 00:50:52,007 "How do you respond? 1003 00:50:52,090 --> 00:50:54,217 "At the Chris Rock show, a female co-worker 1004 00:50:54,301 --> 00:50:57,721 "said that you masturbated in front of her in your office on a work day, 1005 00:50:57,804 --> 00:50:59,973 "while colleagues were on the other side of the door. 1006 00:51:00,057 --> 00:51:01,725 "How do you respond? 1007 00:51:01,808 --> 00:51:06,021 "The women we spoke to say that you have put them in an untenable situation, 1008 00:51:06,104 --> 00:51:09,024 "that they felt used by someone they saw as a gifted comic 1009 00:51:09,107 --> 00:51:11,068 "and a major figure in their field. 1010 00:51:11,151 --> 00:51:16,031 "Tig Notaro suspects that you released her album to shore up your reputation 1011 00:51:16,114 --> 00:51:18,450 "and distract from rumors about these incidents. 1012 00:51:18,533 --> 00:51:20,077 "What is your response to that?" 1013 00:51:22,537 --> 00:51:23,914 And we never got a reply. 1014 00:51:26,124 --> 00:51:29,795 We then heard that he canceled his appearance on Colbert... 1015 00:51:31,046 --> 00:51:33,215 ...and that the movie's premiere was canceled. 1016 00:51:33,298 --> 00:51:35,467 [dramatic music plays] 1017 00:51:37,844 --> 00:51:40,347 [Megan Koester]I knew some of the names, but not all. 1018 00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:42,224 The fact that this is in print 1019 00:51:42,307 --> 00:51:43,809 solidifies something. 1020 00:51:43,892 --> 00:51:45,977 It makes it part of the public record. 1021 00:51:46,061 --> 00:51:47,813 You can't say you don't know anymore. 1022 00:51:48,563 --> 00:51:53,068 For his entire career, he kept it quiet. 1023 00:51:54,152 --> 00:51:56,071 How many rumors were there about him? 1024 00:51:56,154 --> 00:51:59,491 He got caught, the man got caught. 1025 00:52:00,575 --> 00:52:04,788 [Jodi Kantor]What's nearly unique about the Louis C.K. story 1026 00:52:04,871 --> 00:52:10,961 is that there is no factual dispute at the heart of this story. 1027 00:52:11,044 --> 00:52:13,588 [Cara Buckley]About a day after it was published, 1028 00:52:13,672 --> 00:52:15,507 he put out a statement that said, 1029 00:52:15,590 --> 00:52:17,342 "These stories are true." 1030 00:52:17,425 --> 00:52:18,844 He didn't use the word "sorry", 1031 00:52:18,927 --> 00:52:21,263 but he wrote a whole essay 1032 00:52:21,346 --> 00:52:24,766 explaining that he knew he did something wrong. 1033 00:52:24,850 --> 00:52:27,269 He talked a lot about his own power 1034 00:52:27,352 --> 00:52:29,688 and how he abused the power that he had. 1035 00:52:34,860 --> 00:52:36,236 [Wesley Morris]Good apologies, 1036 00:52:36,319 --> 00:52:38,655 you acknowledge in the apology 1037 00:52:38,738 --> 00:52:41,491 what you're actually apologizing for. 1038 00:52:41,575 --> 00:52:45,287 Like, what're you truly saying you're sorry you have done? 1039 00:52:45,370 --> 00:52:51,793 I think the short statement that he offered, did some version of that. 1040 00:52:51,877 --> 00:52:55,839 But, I mean, it's a process atonement, right? 1041 00:53:03,513 --> 00:53:04,723 [Jon Stewart] I didn't know. 1042 00:53:04,806 --> 00:53:06,099 [Howard Stern] Right. 1043 00:53:06,183 --> 00:53:07,809 -What if I did? -OK. 1044 00:53:07,893 --> 00:53:10,729 That's the thing that bothers me. 1045 00:53:10,812 --> 00:53:12,063 What if I did? 1046 00:53:12,147 --> 00:53:14,649 What if I had known one of the women 1047 00:53:14,733 --> 00:53:18,904 who was making the accusations, and I don't. 1048 00:53:18,987 --> 00:53:22,282 I know they're in the comedy world, but I had not heard of them. 1049 00:53:22,365 --> 00:53:23,867 But let's say I did. 1050 00:53:23,950 --> 00:53:26,244 And one of them came to me and said, 1051 00:53:26,328 --> 00:53:29,748 "Ten years ago," or whatever, "Louis did this." 1052 00:53:29,831 --> 00:53:31,041 What would you have done? 1053 00:53:31,124 --> 00:53:34,044 Would I still have worked with him? 1054 00:53:34,127 --> 00:53:36,171 Would I still greet him, like, that's the part. 1055 00:53:36,254 --> 00:53:38,215 [Robin Quivers] You can't answer that question. 1056 00:53:38,298 --> 00:53:40,508 I can't honestly answer, and that makes me feel shitty. 1057 00:53:40,592 --> 00:53:42,510 When the actual story broke, 1058 00:53:42,594 --> 00:53:45,764 and it was not just that story, but, like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, 1059 00:53:45,847 --> 00:53:49,726 I was like, well, the fact that I thought it wasn't my problem 1060 00:53:49,809 --> 00:53:51,061 is the problem. [laughs] 1061 00:53:51,144 --> 00:53:54,064 That's exactly the problem, is that everybody was treating this 1062 00:53:54,147 --> 00:53:55,440 like it wasn't their problem. 1063 00:53:55,523 --> 00:53:59,194 And it takes, like, years of investigative journalism 1064 00:53:59,277 --> 00:54:01,780 and the courage of dozens of women to step forward, 1065 00:54:01,863 --> 00:54:05,492 at the risk of their own sanity, health, safety and careers, 1066 00:54:05,575 --> 00:54:08,203 in order to make it not a problem anymore. 1067 00:54:08,286 --> 00:54:11,539 Well, shit. Like, that is my problem. 1068 00:54:11,790 --> 00:54:13,041 They tried to kill Louis C.K. 1069 00:54:13,291 --> 00:54:14,793 [subdued laughter] 1070 00:54:14,876 --> 00:54:16,378 They won't stop 'til that man is dead. 1071 00:54:16,461 --> 00:54:19,381 They're trying to kill Louis C.K., you know? 1072 00:54:19,464 --> 00:54:22,884 Who would have thought in 2018 I would be the most powerful Louis in comedy? 1073 00:54:22,968 --> 00:54:24,970 [laughter and applause] 1074 00:54:27,847 --> 00:54:29,641 What did Louis C.K. really do? What did he do? 1075 00:54:29,724 --> 00:54:31,977 He jerked off in front of a few women, right? 1076 00:54:32,811 --> 00:54:33,853 Who hasn't? 1077 00:54:33,937 --> 00:54:35,522 [laughter] 1078 00:54:37,774 --> 00:54:39,985 [Melena Ryzik]For some of the women in the Louis story, 1079 00:54:40,068 --> 00:54:44,948 the comedy community did not go to bat for them in the way that they might have hoped. 1080 00:54:45,031 --> 00:54:49,744 I mean, there's just-- There's litany of things that are way worse 1081 00:54:49,828 --> 00:54:51,997 than whacking off in front of people. 1082 00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:53,832 which is not cool either, of course. 1083 00:54:53,915 --> 00:54:56,001 If we're gonna grade it on a scale of this, 1084 00:54:56,084 --> 00:54:58,044 to drugging and raping 60 women, 1085 00:54:58,128 --> 00:55:02,132 I guess if we must measure things that way, yes, this is less bad. 1086 00:55:02,215 --> 00:55:03,508 I don't know. 1087 00:55:03,591 --> 00:55:06,553 [Janeane Garofalo]If nothing else, if you can find no compassion for him, 1088 00:55:06,636 --> 00:55:08,930 which I think you should, think about how his daughters, 1089 00:55:09,014 --> 00:55:11,016 who hear all of this stuff, feel. 1090 00:55:11,099 --> 00:55:14,019 Why don't you leave him alone for them, if you're so women empowering. 1091 00:55:14,102 --> 00:55:15,603 People saying, "What's the big deal? 1092 00:55:15,687 --> 00:55:17,105 "You were masturbated in front of. 1093 00:55:17,188 --> 00:55:19,232 "Why didn't you just leave the hotel room?" 1094 00:55:19,316 --> 00:55:22,527 Like, people questioning their experience over and over and saying, 1095 00:55:22,610 --> 00:55:24,904 "You're making a mountain out of a molehill." 1096 00:55:24,988 --> 00:55:27,073 [Rosanne Barr] If you don't run out the room 1097 00:55:27,157 --> 00:55:29,617 and go, "Excuse me, you don't talk to me that-- 1098 00:55:29,701 --> 00:55:32,579 "You don't do that to me, excuse me." And leave. 1099 00:55:32,662 --> 00:55:34,372 But you stayed around 'cause you're like, 1100 00:55:34,456 --> 00:55:37,792 "Well, I thought maybe he was gonna give me a writing job." 1101 00:55:37,876 --> 00:55:39,252 Well, you ain't nothing but a ho. 1102 00:55:41,046 --> 00:55:44,341 [Cara Buckley]If something horrible has happened to you, 1103 00:55:44,424 --> 00:55:47,844 why should it continue to hurt you when you bring it to light? 1104 00:55:47,927 --> 00:55:49,137 You know? 1105 00:55:52,432 --> 00:55:54,976 That to me is kind of the more interesting question. 1106 00:55:57,354 --> 00:55:58,938 and almost the more important one. 1107 00:56:01,983 --> 00:56:05,278 One lady said, "Louis C.K. masturbating in front of me... 1108 00:56:06,571 --> 00:56:09,324 "...ruined my comedy dreams." Word. 1109 00:56:09,407 --> 00:56:10,909 [laughter] 1110 00:56:14,454 --> 00:56:17,332 [Abby Schachner]I got a phone call, it was the beginning of the new year. 1111 00:56:17,415 --> 00:56:20,668 Apparently Dave Chappelle came out with a special 1112 00:56:20,752 --> 00:56:23,129 and he brought up the Louis stuff. 1113 00:56:23,213 --> 00:56:24,631 People were watching the special, 1114 00:56:24,714 --> 00:56:26,633 and then they know that he's talking about me. 1115 00:56:26,716 --> 00:56:31,596 Louis C.K. was masturbating while I was on the phone with him. 1116 00:56:31,679 --> 00:56:33,515 Bitch, you don't know how to hang up the phone? 1117 00:56:33,598 --> 00:56:34,808 [laughter] 1118 00:56:37,060 --> 00:56:38,520 [Abby Schachner]I became the joke. 1119 00:56:39,646 --> 00:56:42,190 To a certain extent, I felt like he wasn't talking about me, 1120 00:56:42,273 --> 00:56:46,027 'cause he got it wrong, like, I didn't say what he thought I said. 1121 00:56:46,111 --> 00:56:49,155 I think he took the spin out of Judd Apatow, 1122 00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,867 the dream killer tweet, and that's what he's took from. 1123 00:56:52,951 --> 00:56:54,077 And then I think later on, 1124 00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:56,413 became a Martin Luther King, having a dream, 1125 00:56:56,496 --> 00:56:58,540 you know, like, don't have a dream. 1126 00:56:58,623 --> 00:57:00,125 Well then I dare say, madam... 1127 00:57:01,292 --> 00:57:02,919 ...you may have never had a dream. 1128 00:57:03,002 --> 00:57:04,254 [laughter] 1129 00:57:05,213 --> 00:57:06,965 Come on, man, that's a brittle spirit. 1130 00:57:07,048 --> 00:57:08,383 [laughter] 1131 00:57:10,969 --> 00:57:13,054 That is a brittle ass spirit. 1132 00:57:13,138 --> 00:57:15,849 That shit is too much, this is a grown-ass woman. 1133 00:57:15,932 --> 00:57:17,725 I don't know, I think initially I was pissed, 1134 00:57:17,809 --> 00:57:20,728 because, I mean, I remember when he was offered $50 million or whatever 1135 00:57:20,812 --> 00:57:22,147 and he didn't take-- You know? 1136 00:57:22,230 --> 00:57:23,648 And people had thoughts about that 1137 00:57:23,731 --> 00:57:26,025 and he lost his mind there for whatever reason, 1138 00:57:26,109 --> 00:57:28,236 I felt empathy towards him for that. 1139 00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:31,197 Because I thought if you're a creative person and you're giving that, 1140 00:57:31,281 --> 00:57:32,490 that would be very difficult. 1141 00:57:33,658 --> 00:57:36,870 But years later, Dave can say it's completely something different. 1142 00:57:38,163 --> 00:57:40,582 I just don't think he understands that 1143 00:57:40,665 --> 00:57:43,585 things are situational, it's not black and white. 1144 00:57:43,668 --> 00:57:48,548 "Hello, police? Yes, I am on the other line with comedian Louis C.K., 1145 00:57:48,631 --> 00:57:55,180 "and I think that he is masturbating while I'm on the phone." 1146 00:57:55,263 --> 00:57:58,183 You know what the police are gonna say in Atlanta? 1147 00:57:58,266 --> 00:58:00,101 "Well, what are you guys talking about?" 1148 00:58:00,351 --> 00:58:01,269 [laughter] 1149 00:58:02,729 --> 00:58:05,732 [Abby Schachner]It does bother me that, like, I'm not gonna live this down. 1150 00:58:05,815 --> 00:58:09,944 Like, this is gonna be, like, in my fucking obituary. 1151 00:58:10,028 --> 00:58:11,529 And it bothers me that this is, like, 1152 00:58:11,613 --> 00:58:13,781 the bigger, you know-- This is like my thing, 1153 00:58:13,865 --> 00:58:16,409 I haven't, like, surpassed this. You know? 1154 00:58:16,493 --> 00:58:18,661 I don't know what else will be mentioned, you know? 1155 00:58:18,745 --> 00:58:20,497 Besides, it's like... 1156 00:58:33,092 --> 00:58:34,302 [Abby Schachner]Hey, Giant? 1157 00:58:34,385 --> 00:58:35,803 What? Come here. 1158 00:58:38,223 --> 00:58:39,891 Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm an artist. 1159 00:58:40,725 --> 00:58:43,186 Do you know I love children's poems, 1160 00:58:43,269 --> 00:58:45,730 And I always wanted to write, create for children. 1161 00:58:46,397 --> 00:58:48,733 And for a while, I was writing young adult books. 1162 00:58:50,151 --> 00:58:52,445 I think creating is part of my nature, 1163 00:58:52,529 --> 00:58:54,739 I think performing is definitely more of a challenge. 1164 00:58:56,658 --> 00:58:58,952 Let's see here, so... 1165 00:58:59,035 --> 00:59:02,914 Bob, I'm looking for-- They want to see embarrassing things, 1166 00:59:02,997 --> 00:59:06,459 to see that I was-- To validate me that I was once... 1167 00:59:07,544 --> 00:59:09,128 They want-- I don't know what they want. 1168 00:59:09,212 --> 00:59:12,632 They want me to find-- I hosted a children's show at one point in time. 1169 00:59:13,466 --> 00:59:15,093 Water is all around you. 1170 00:59:15,176 --> 00:59:18,680 You drink it, you swim in it, and if you had to live without it, 1171 00:59:18,763 --> 00:59:20,265 you'd be like a fish out of... 1172 00:59:21,516 --> 00:59:23,851 ...well that is today's topic on Up and Running. 1173 00:59:23,935 --> 00:59:27,897 Let's see, I think it might be in here. 1174 00:59:27,981 --> 00:59:30,608 Yes. This is a bunch of stuff. 1175 00:59:30,692 --> 00:59:33,820 [grunting] 1176 00:59:33,903 --> 00:59:35,363 Ah, sorry. 1177 00:59:35,446 --> 00:59:37,824 Yeah, so there's this stuff. 1178 00:59:37,907 --> 00:59:40,201 Oh, my first thing I ever did, a body piece. 1179 00:59:40,285 --> 00:59:41,578 That was in college. 1180 00:59:41,661 --> 00:59:43,955 4, 16, '93. 1181 00:59:44,038 --> 00:59:45,373 [quirky music plays] 1182 00:59:48,293 --> 00:59:50,128 So I think I always loved comedy. 1183 00:59:50,211 --> 00:59:51,963 Just needing to express myself. 1184 00:59:54,132 --> 00:59:56,217 After school, I went to Chicago, 1185 00:59:56,301 --> 00:59:58,970 because I saw a book about improvising, 1186 00:59:59,053 --> 01:00:00,722 and I started studying in Chicago. 1187 01:00:01,431 --> 01:00:04,851 The Second City is like a comedic institution, 1188 01:00:04,934 --> 01:00:08,313 it's where all these wonderful people have come from, you know? 1189 01:00:08,396 --> 01:00:14,027 Gilda Radner, Joan Rivers, Tina, Amy Poehler. 1190 01:00:14,110 --> 01:00:17,071 I think I auditioned for it and I didn't get it and then I auditioned for it, 1191 01:00:17,155 --> 01:00:19,574 and I rolled around like a meat ball and I got it. 1192 01:00:20,825 --> 01:00:23,786 I performed for two years with Second City. 1193 01:00:24,662 --> 01:00:27,290 I think it was Adam McKay or someone I admired, said, 1194 01:00:27,373 --> 01:00:30,084 "Don't lose your voice." And I got really scared. 1195 01:00:30,168 --> 01:00:32,337 I said, "What's my voice? What's my voice?" 1196 01:00:33,046 --> 01:00:35,548 I always thought of myself as more of a writer, 1197 01:00:35,632 --> 01:00:38,384 and creator, more than a performer. 1198 01:00:41,304 --> 01:00:45,433 [host] From the ABC Broadcast Center in New York, 1199 01:00:45,516 --> 01:00:49,604 it's the Pepsi Stuff Dana Carvey Show. 1200 01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:55,234 -Can I help you? -Uh, two tickets for Dead Man's Highway. 1201 01:00:55,318 --> 01:00:58,738 -Yeah, two! Two tickets! -$60. 1202 01:00:58,821 --> 01:01:02,992 The first time I found out about the writing gig 1203 01:01:03,076 --> 01:01:04,494 for the Dana Carvey Show, 1204 01:01:04,577 --> 01:01:07,497 was via my boyfriend at the time, Jon. 1205 01:01:07,580 --> 01:01:09,707 And he told me about, that there was a thing, 1206 01:01:09,791 --> 01:01:11,376 that they're looking for writers. 1207 01:01:11,459 --> 01:01:14,170 I wrote up a little packet in my closet, 1208 01:01:14,253 --> 01:01:16,214 and I sent it to Brillstein-Grey. 1209 01:01:16,297 --> 01:01:19,092 My boyfriend, he went for an interview 1210 01:01:19,175 --> 01:01:20,677 with Robert Smigel, 1211 01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:22,762 and my stuff was on the top of his desk. 1212 01:01:23,221 --> 01:01:25,556 And that was just, kind of, exciting enough. 1213 01:01:25,640 --> 01:01:28,726 But then, a few days later, I got a phone call from Louis C.K., 1214 01:01:28,810 --> 01:01:31,646 Louis, to, um, submit more writing. 1215 01:01:32,438 --> 01:01:35,900 I don't hear back, but Jon gets the job. 1216 01:01:36,776 --> 01:01:39,153 And then, I went to visit, and I know, one day, 1217 01:01:39,237 --> 01:01:41,406 we ate with Louis and his wife at the time. 1218 01:01:41,489 --> 01:01:44,409 And then, I ran into him for, like, a UCB thing, 1219 01:01:44,492 --> 01:01:46,828 they were doing something, and I was helping them. 1220 01:01:46,911 --> 01:01:48,788 And he seemed happy to see me, you know? 1221 01:01:48,871 --> 01:01:50,623 Then remembered something that I sent 1222 01:01:50,707 --> 01:01:53,334 in that second writing sample that he liked. 1223 01:01:53,418 --> 01:01:55,545 So, it was always nice when someone comment-- 1224 01:01:55,628 --> 01:01:57,630 You know, they remember that thing. 1225 01:02:00,591 --> 01:02:02,427 Well, I moved to California. 1226 01:02:02,844 --> 01:02:05,972 Then, I ran into him again, the end of 2002, 1227 01:02:06,055 --> 01:02:07,557 or the beginning of 2003. 1228 01:02:08,266 --> 01:02:09,809 And he gave me his information 1229 01:02:09,892 --> 01:02:12,061 and where he was working, or his phone number, 1230 01:02:12,145 --> 01:02:13,980 to get in contact with him, or whatnot. 1231 01:02:14,397 --> 01:02:16,899 But I guess I created the show, because it was kind of 1232 01:02:16,983 --> 01:02:18,609 who I was afraid I was gonna be, 1233 01:02:18,693 --> 01:02:19,902 and who I think I am. 1234 01:02:20,486 --> 01:02:22,488 I called him up, 'cause I wanted him 1235 01:02:22,572 --> 01:02:25,241 to come to this show, 'cause, hey, 1236 01:02:25,324 --> 01:02:28,161 I'd just created my first solo show since I'd been out here, 1237 01:02:28,244 --> 01:02:29,829 and this is something I do, 1238 01:02:29,912 --> 01:02:31,998 and why not show what I've been working on? 1239 01:02:32,081 --> 01:02:34,917 And, uh, he started telling me, 1240 01:02:35,001 --> 01:02:38,838 very early on, um... It veered very quickly, 1241 01:02:38,921 --> 01:02:41,549 I didn't even get to say why I was calling, or whatever. 1242 01:02:41,632 --> 01:02:45,428 And then, he started talking about... my picture, 1243 01:02:45,511 --> 01:02:47,263 that he remembered that, you know, 1244 01:02:47,346 --> 01:02:51,017 Jon had it when he worked on the show, 1245 01:02:51,100 --> 01:02:53,686 and that, some of the things I had made Jon, 1246 01:02:53,770 --> 01:02:56,147 and he was commenting, and then it just started... 1247 01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:57,982 It was beginning to turn. 1248 01:02:58,065 --> 01:02:59,901 Where, he was talking about... 1249 01:02:59,984 --> 01:03:01,319 ..what turns him on, 1250 01:03:01,402 --> 01:03:04,030 but it came in through how cute I was. 1251 01:03:04,113 --> 01:03:06,032 It just started getting into fantasy. 1252 01:03:06,115 --> 01:03:07,909 It just started getting inappropriate. 1253 01:03:07,992 --> 01:03:10,411 Yet, I thought I was being hazed, and I felt like, 1254 01:03:10,495 --> 01:03:13,623 at one point, he turned his blinds, I don't even know why, 1255 01:03:13,706 --> 01:03:16,501 there was something that happened, 'cause I'm only hearing. 1256 01:03:16,584 --> 01:03:19,128 [producer] Are you supposed to say, "Are you masturb--" 1257 01:03:19,212 --> 01:03:22,590 -That's a weird thing to say to someone you don't know. -I didn't say that. 1258 01:03:22,673 --> 01:03:25,176 If someone says, "Can I masturbate in front of you..." 1259 01:03:25,259 --> 01:03:27,011 -Well, he didn't ask me! -No, I know. 1260 01:03:27,094 --> 01:03:29,430 -He didn't ask me, he just started doing it. -Yeah. 1261 01:03:30,389 --> 01:03:32,642 But, when I brought up the show, I remember, 1262 01:03:32,725 --> 01:03:34,352 he kind of quickly skedaddled, 1263 01:03:34,435 --> 01:03:36,229 like, "Yeah, I'll see, really busy." 1264 01:03:36,312 --> 01:03:39,482 And I said... And this was what bothered me the most, 1265 01:03:39,565 --> 01:03:42,819 is that I said, "This isn't gonna be the last time we talk, is it?" 1266 01:03:43,694 --> 01:03:47,073 That was the part that felt extremely vulnerable to me, 1267 01:03:47,156 --> 01:03:49,992 that it just sounds weird, it seemed weird, even then. 1268 01:03:50,076 --> 01:03:52,787 It's like... I just felt duped. 1269 01:03:53,329 --> 01:03:56,874 When I got off the phone, I called up my friend, Stu. 1270 01:03:56,958 --> 01:03:59,335 He brought up Dana and Julia and I didn't know, 1271 01:03:59,418 --> 01:04:01,462 and I said, "Why didn't you tell me?" 1272 01:04:01,546 --> 01:04:03,881 And he thought I-- he thought I knew. 1273 01:04:03,965 --> 01:04:05,800 And we still fight about it sometimes. 1274 01:04:05,883 --> 01:04:07,593 When the article came out, I said, 1275 01:04:07,677 --> 01:04:10,179 "Why didn't you tell me?" If I would've known, 1276 01:04:10,263 --> 01:04:13,099 I wouldn't have been in that sit-- I would've known 1277 01:04:13,182 --> 01:04:15,977 that I was, you know, being duped. 1278 01:04:16,060 --> 01:04:17,812 It was one of those times... 1279 01:04:18,813 --> 01:04:21,566 ...you know, where just-- where things in life happen, 1280 01:04:21,649 --> 01:04:24,861 and various things happen in kind of a sequential order, 1281 01:04:24,944 --> 01:04:27,113 that just, kind of, knock at your worth. 1282 01:04:28,155 --> 01:04:31,993 I moved back to Chicago for a short time, after that. 1283 01:04:32,076 --> 01:04:35,913 My dad had just died, I was a bit broken. 1284 01:04:37,498 --> 01:04:38,916 So, I hid for a couple years. 1285 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:41,586 I'm a hider. I'm a hider. 1286 01:04:41,669 --> 01:04:44,046 [light music plays] 1287 01:04:44,130 --> 01:04:45,923 So, I think it was, like, 2009, 1288 01:04:46,007 --> 01:04:48,175 I got a Facebook message from Louis... 1289 01:04:49,635 --> 01:04:52,388 ...saying, "I think, you know, the last time we talked, 1290 01:04:52,471 --> 01:04:53,764 it was weird." 1291 01:04:55,099 --> 01:04:56,475 I said, "Yes, it was weird." 1292 01:05:10,197 --> 01:05:11,866 And then, am I gonna be around, 1293 01:05:11,949 --> 01:05:13,534 and I met him at Canter's. 1294 01:05:15,244 --> 01:05:17,663 The first thing I said is, "Do you have a problem?" 1295 01:05:17,747 --> 01:05:19,916 'Cause, you know, when I got off the phone, 1296 01:05:19,999 --> 01:05:21,834 I learned about two other people. 1297 01:05:21,918 --> 01:05:23,419 I said, "Do you have a problem?" 1298 01:05:23,502 --> 01:05:25,463 And he said, "No, no," and he-- he told me 1299 01:05:25,546 --> 01:05:27,465 his sob story about, you know, 1300 01:05:27,548 --> 01:05:29,800 what happened to him at Aspen. 1301 01:05:29,884 --> 01:05:33,262 Then, he told me his perspective, which was, you know, 1302 01:05:33,346 --> 01:05:35,765 he felt like everybody made fun of him, 1303 01:05:35,848 --> 01:05:38,684 whatever, he made himself the victim in that dynamic. 1304 01:05:38,768 --> 01:05:41,687 Although, when I left him that day, I said, 1305 01:05:41,771 --> 01:05:43,522 "Your children will always love you." 1306 01:05:43,606 --> 01:05:45,650 I said, "No matter what, you know, happens, 1307 01:05:45,733 --> 01:05:47,443 "your children will always love you." 1308 01:05:47,526 --> 01:05:50,988 'Cause my dad didn't do the most wonderful things, 1309 01:05:51,072 --> 01:05:52,990 and, like, I still love him. 1310 01:05:53,074 --> 01:05:54,116 So, like... 1311 01:05:55,326 --> 01:05:57,370 ...that's why, you know, people do-- 1312 01:05:57,453 --> 01:06:01,499 People don't always follow, you know, 1313 01:06:01,582 --> 01:06:04,585 they don't always follow the path of the norm. 1314 01:06:05,586 --> 01:06:07,880 But, you know, it doesn't justify hurting people, 1315 01:06:07,964 --> 01:06:09,382 or making people, you know... 1316 01:06:10,549 --> 01:06:11,634 You know. 1317 01:06:25,147 --> 01:06:27,650 I was at Wholefoods, I picked up an eggplant, 1318 01:06:27,733 --> 01:06:30,152 and this dude looked at me, and did me like this... 1319 01:06:30,236 --> 01:06:31,904 -[laughter] -I was like, 1320 01:06:31,988 --> 01:06:35,116 "I do not expect that shit at Wholefoods." 1321 01:06:35,908 --> 01:06:37,660 That is some Trader Joe's shit. 1322 01:06:37,743 --> 01:06:39,370 [laughter] 1323 01:06:39,453 --> 01:06:42,123 I did not pay $13 for some grapes 1324 01:06:42,206 --> 01:06:44,750 to get sexually assaulted, asshole. 1325 01:06:45,918 --> 01:06:49,130 I'm at the Cellar one day, and someone starts talking to me, 1326 01:06:49,213 --> 01:06:52,299 and he said, "Hey, I wanted to ask you about the Louis thing." 1327 01:06:52,383 --> 01:06:53,884 It was very matter of fact, like, 1328 01:06:53,968 --> 01:06:55,636 "Do you think he's gonna come back?" 1329 01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:57,096 "Yeah, of course I do." 1330 01:06:57,179 --> 01:06:59,682 My reality is, usually, 1331 01:06:59,765 --> 01:07:02,143 white men get away with the stuff that they do, 1332 01:07:02,226 --> 01:07:03,978 'cause if they didn't, we wouldn't be 1333 01:07:04,061 --> 01:07:05,896 where we are today, right? 1334 01:07:05,980 --> 01:07:08,190 And that-- that was appalling to some people. 1335 01:07:08,274 --> 01:07:10,484 And I'm like, "Well, what world do you live in? 1336 01:07:10,568 --> 01:07:12,737 "Do you think they're gonna put him on a boat, 1337 01:07:12,820 --> 01:07:14,864 "and send him to an island and stone him? 1338 01:07:14,947 --> 01:07:16,407 "Like, what the hell do you-- 1339 01:07:16,490 --> 01:07:18,284 "What society have you been living in? 1340 01:07:18,367 --> 01:07:20,703 "Why am I the only one that is, 1341 01:07:20,786 --> 01:07:22,413 "you know, subject to reality? 1342 01:07:22,496 --> 01:07:24,832 "Like, you know he's coming back, right?" 1343 01:07:24,915 --> 01:07:28,002 [cheering and applause] 1344 01:07:31,464 --> 01:07:33,466 [cello music plays] 1345 01:07:34,675 --> 01:07:37,845 [Melena] Louis's quiet period lasted about nine months, 1346 01:07:37,928 --> 01:07:40,181 and then he suddenly made an unannounced drop-in 1347 01:07:40,264 --> 01:07:41,307 at the Comedy Cellar. 1348 01:07:42,308 --> 01:07:46,437 The Cellar is like this locus of the comedy world in Manhattan. 1349 01:07:46,520 --> 01:07:49,398 It's the place where you can see an up-and-coming act, 1350 01:07:49,482 --> 01:07:51,400 and Chris Rock on the same night. 1351 01:07:51,484 --> 01:07:53,360 It's a comedians hang-out. 1352 01:07:53,444 --> 01:07:55,654 People talk about making it at the Cellar, 1353 01:07:55,738 --> 01:07:57,531 like, if you get past the booker, 1354 01:07:57,615 --> 01:07:59,950 that is considered the gold standard 1355 01:08:00,034 --> 01:08:01,452 of stand-up comedy. 1356 01:08:02,203 --> 01:08:05,122 [Noam] I knew, at some point, I'm gonna have a predicament, 1357 01:08:05,372 --> 01:08:07,750 'cause I just knew he would wanna come back, 1358 01:08:07,833 --> 01:08:11,504 and it would be here that he'd wanna come back. 1359 01:08:12,213 --> 01:08:15,216 And then, the-- you know, the shit hit the fan. 1360 01:08:15,299 --> 01:08:16,759 It was-- it was nuts. 1361 01:08:16,842 --> 01:08:18,302 [reporter 1] "Uncomfortable," 1362 01:08:18,385 --> 01:08:20,387 "Disgusting," and "Frustrating." 1363 01:08:20,471 --> 01:08:22,640 That's how two women in attendance described 1364 01:08:22,723 --> 01:08:25,684 the atmosphere during Louis C.K.'s surprise stand-up comedy set. 1365 01:08:25,768 --> 01:08:28,020 [reporter 2] One audience member called the club 1366 01:08:28,104 --> 01:08:30,439 -to object to the surprise set. -When, if ever, 1367 01:08:30,523 --> 01:08:33,192 is it appropriate for people accused of sexual misconduct 1368 01:08:33,275 --> 01:08:36,278 -to try and make a comeback? -[reporter 3] A social media firestorm... 1369 01:08:39,698 --> 01:08:42,827 He could've waited two years, he still would've been OK. 1370 01:08:42,910 --> 01:08:44,662 [woman] Donate to the Me Too movement. 1371 01:08:44,745 --> 01:08:48,499 Go spend your time with women that have been crime victims. 1372 01:08:48,582 --> 01:08:51,335 [Howard] Then, when somebody like Louis C.K. comes out, 1373 01:08:51,418 --> 01:08:54,213 he's changing the rules, he's testing the waters, 1374 01:08:54,296 --> 01:08:57,049 and he's saying, "I'm ready to come back." 1375 01:08:58,634 --> 01:09:01,846 [Noam] Everybody I know, knows people... 1376 01:09:01,929 --> 01:09:04,640 ...who've done things they should be ashamed of. 1377 01:09:04,723 --> 01:09:07,643 Everybody. Normally, in a moral world, 1378 01:09:07,726 --> 01:09:10,437 we forgive the people who apologize, 1379 01:09:10,521 --> 01:09:13,023 and admit that they did something wrong. 1380 01:09:13,816 --> 01:09:15,985 [host] What's the criteria people have to meet 1381 01:09:16,068 --> 01:09:18,737 -to go on your stage? -[Noam] No, I don't have a standard. 1382 01:09:18,821 --> 01:09:21,031 [Noam] Right now, it's a case-by-case basis, 1383 01:09:21,115 --> 01:09:23,325 and I can't imagine every situation 1384 01:09:23,409 --> 01:09:24,994 that might come before me. 1385 01:09:25,077 --> 01:09:26,912 I don't mind living and dying 1386 01:09:26,996 --> 01:09:28,539 based on what the audience feels. 1387 01:09:28,622 --> 01:09:30,291 But, the people who are saying 1388 01:09:30,374 --> 01:09:31,959 that Louis shall not work, 1389 01:09:32,042 --> 01:09:34,086 they need to be questioned more closely, 1390 01:09:34,170 --> 01:09:36,213 -as to where they draw the line. -[host] Mm-hm. 1391 01:09:36,297 --> 01:09:38,632 What's their world view? What are their standards? 1392 01:09:38,716 --> 01:09:41,051 How much evidence do they think is enough? 1393 01:09:41,135 --> 01:09:44,054 How long is enough? How long should somebody go without working? 1394 01:09:44,138 --> 01:09:46,265 What should they do when they're not working? 1395 01:09:46,348 --> 01:09:48,142 Should they become wards of the state? 1396 01:09:48,225 --> 01:09:50,186 Can they do some jobs, but not other jobs? 1397 01:09:50,269 --> 01:09:52,855 Is it OK for Walmart to hire Louis? 1398 01:09:52,938 --> 01:09:55,983 Or is he so radioactive that nobody shall hire him? 1399 01:09:56,066 --> 01:09:58,235 These are the tough questions. 1400 01:09:58,319 --> 01:10:01,238 [host]These decisions have meaning, whether we like it or not, 1401 01:10:01,322 --> 01:10:04,533 whether you like it or not, the decision to have Louis C.K. on stage, 1402 01:10:04,617 --> 01:10:06,452 it has meaning. 1403 01:10:06,535 --> 01:10:08,871 And how much you, and the rest of us, 1404 01:10:08,954 --> 01:10:10,456 have to come to terms with that. 1405 01:10:10,956 --> 01:10:13,751 You can feel whatever you want about these things, 1406 01:10:13,834 --> 01:10:16,003 but the idea that you have the right 1407 01:10:16,086 --> 01:10:19,924 to impose on a private business, 1408 01:10:20,007 --> 01:10:22,009 who's employing a free person... 1409 01:10:22,718 --> 01:10:25,846 ...to perform in front of people who want to see him, 1410 01:10:25,930 --> 01:10:27,389 in a free country, 1411 01:10:28,265 --> 01:10:33,687 that you feel that this is your business... 1412 01:10:34,939 --> 01:10:36,774 I think that's very, very dangerous. 1413 01:10:37,399 --> 01:10:41,737 And that is where I was really drawing my line. 1414 01:10:42,738 --> 01:10:44,365 [lively music plays] 1415 01:10:45,658 --> 01:10:47,243 [Aida] People were tweeting me, 1416 01:10:47,326 --> 01:10:50,037 demanding that I didn't perform at the Cellar, 1417 01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:52,248 because Louis was performing there. 1418 01:10:52,331 --> 01:10:53,958 I was like, "How, um, awesome, 1419 01:10:54,041 --> 01:10:56,919 "for you to be able to make me the bad guy, 1420 01:10:57,002 --> 01:10:59,171 "and how often does that happen, 1421 01:10:59,255 --> 01:11:00,881 "when you try to make women 1422 01:11:00,965 --> 01:11:03,175 "responsible for the behaviors of men?" 1423 01:11:03,259 --> 01:11:05,219 Why can't we just let Louis go back to... 1424 01:11:06,011 --> 01:11:10,182 ...writing jokes about how men are the gravest threat 1425 01:11:10,266 --> 01:11:11,976 to the safety of women. 1426 01:11:12,059 --> 01:11:14,061 [light laughter] 1427 01:11:14,144 --> 01:11:15,688 But, he doesn't just write jokes, 1428 01:11:15,771 --> 01:11:17,022 he walks the walk! 1429 01:11:17,106 --> 01:11:19,066 [laughter] 1430 01:11:19,149 --> 01:11:21,277 And I think that is to be commended. 1431 01:11:22,319 --> 01:11:24,321 He's a performance artist. 1432 01:11:24,405 --> 01:11:26,740 [laughter] 1433 01:11:26,824 --> 01:11:28,826 So, he steps back, for nine months, 1434 01:11:28,909 --> 01:11:30,869 or whatever it was, and people are saying, 1435 01:11:30,953 --> 01:11:33,247 "That's not long enough. You didn't do anything." 1436 01:11:33,330 --> 01:11:34,832 Like, you gotta... 1437 01:11:34,915 --> 01:11:37,251 So, what-- what should someone do? 1438 01:11:38,794 --> 01:11:42,089 [Michael] I wrote a tweet thread. It started by me going, 1439 01:11:42,172 --> 01:11:44,008 "I know I'll take some heat for this, 1440 01:11:44,091 --> 01:11:46,969 "but I feel this is a conversation that needs to happen. 1441 01:11:47,052 --> 01:11:51,557 "There's gonna be other men who experience these problems, 1442 01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,185 "and what is the path forward for them? 1443 01:11:55,269 --> 01:11:57,688 "Louis is right now on the vanguard of this, 1444 01:11:57,771 --> 01:11:59,982 "and I'm--" I think I said, 1445 01:12:00,065 --> 01:12:02,526 "I'm excited to see how he does it." 1446 01:12:04,611 --> 01:12:07,906 The pushback that I got from that immediately, 1447 01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:09,158 was overwhelming. 1448 01:12:10,576 --> 01:12:12,411 And I felt horrible. 1449 01:12:13,329 --> 01:12:15,831 I was like, "I'm not defending Louis's actions. 1450 01:12:15,914 --> 01:12:18,167 "I'm having, in public. a conversation 1451 01:12:18,250 --> 01:12:20,836 "that I feel like men are having in private, and women, 1452 01:12:20,919 --> 01:12:23,130 "are having in private, all over this country." 1453 01:12:23,213 --> 01:12:25,466 And saying, "How do-- How do we deal with this? 1454 01:12:25,549 --> 01:12:27,301 "How do we deal with this? 1455 01:12:27,384 --> 01:12:29,178 "How do we welcome people back, 1456 01:12:29,261 --> 01:12:30,721 "or not welcome people back?" 1457 01:12:31,263 --> 01:12:35,059 I apologized, and what I apologized for, 1458 01:12:35,142 --> 01:12:41,357 was not acknowledging the pain around Louis 1459 01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:42,858 is real for people. 1460 01:12:43,650 --> 01:12:46,737 And there's obviously hypocrisy coming from Louis, himself. 1461 01:12:47,488 --> 01:12:49,865 [Louis C.K.] Like, I lost so much fucking money... 1462 01:12:50,699 --> 01:12:53,494 ..in a day. In one day, I lost, 1463 01:12:53,577 --> 01:12:56,580 I'm not gonna tell you how much, but it was millions of dollars. 1464 01:12:57,247 --> 01:12:59,666 It was $35M, I don't give a fuck, fuck it. 1465 01:12:59,750 --> 01:13:02,669 -[laughter]-I'll tell you I lost $35M. 1466 01:13:02,753 --> 01:13:04,963 You don't tell people you have $35M, 1467 01:13:05,047 --> 01:13:07,716 but you can tell 'em you lost $35M, 1468 01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,760 because that shit is hilarious! 1469 01:13:09,843 --> 01:13:11,428 That's fucking funny. 1470 01:13:12,846 --> 01:13:15,599 [Melena] He started to do more touring, 1471 01:13:15,682 --> 01:13:17,393 and they started to sell out. 1472 01:13:17,476 --> 01:13:19,645 I just love comedy. I saw Louis C.K. 1473 01:13:19,728 --> 01:13:21,897 -in Toronto last week. -Oh, yeah! 1474 01:13:21,980 --> 01:13:24,608 I heard about that, it came out of nowhere, how was that? 1475 01:13:24,691 --> 01:13:26,693 There were protestors, it was fucking nuts. 1476 01:13:26,777 --> 01:13:28,362 -Seriously? -Yeah, fuck all that. 1477 01:13:28,445 --> 01:13:30,656 He talked about, uh, the jerking off thing 1478 01:13:30,739 --> 01:13:33,325 -for, like, 30 minutes, it was hilarious. -Don't spoil it, 1479 01:13:33,409 --> 01:13:35,536 'cause I really wanna see when it's finished. 1480 01:13:35,619 --> 01:13:37,871 It was really funny, though. He's probably gonna 1481 01:13:37,955 --> 01:13:39,998 -release, like, an hour set. -Pretty soon. 1482 01:13:40,082 --> 01:13:42,251 -It's gonna be the biggest comeback. -Super dope. 1483 01:13:43,419 --> 01:13:46,088 How are you? How was your last couple of years? 1484 01:13:46,171 --> 01:13:48,215 -[laughter] -How was... 1485 01:13:49,216 --> 01:13:51,009 [laughs] 1486 01:13:51,093 --> 01:13:54,263 How was 2018 and '19 for you guys? 1487 01:13:54,346 --> 01:13:56,432 [laughter] 1488 01:13:58,559 --> 01:14:00,853 Anybody else get in global amounts of trouble? 1489 01:14:00,936 --> 01:14:03,272 -Anybody else... -[laughter] 1490 01:14:03,355 --> 01:14:05,983 I was, sort of, seduced into thinking that, 1491 01:14:06,066 --> 01:14:08,652 he could take a thing that he knew as an artist 1492 01:14:08,735 --> 01:14:12,156 he was doing as a person, and use that... 1493 01:14:12,865 --> 01:14:14,908 ...in the art, in some way, 1494 01:14:14,992 --> 01:14:17,870 to create his own reckoning with his behavior. 1495 01:14:17,953 --> 01:14:20,414 You wanna talk about it? Should we talk about it? 1496 01:14:20,497 --> 01:14:22,875 -[cheering and applause] -Yeah, alright. Alright. 1497 01:14:22,958 --> 01:14:25,252 I don't mind-- I don't mind talking about it. 1498 01:14:25,335 --> 01:14:26,962 If you ever ask somebody... 1499 01:14:27,921 --> 01:14:31,008 ..."May I jerk off in front of you?" 1500 01:14:31,091 --> 01:14:32,426 And they say, "Yes." 1501 01:14:32,509 --> 01:14:34,428 Just say, "Are you sure?" 1502 01:14:34,511 --> 01:14:36,597 -[laughter] -That's the first part. 1503 01:14:37,222 --> 01:14:40,225 And then if they say yes, just don't fucking do it. 1504 01:14:40,309 --> 01:14:43,312 -Just-- just don't do it. -[laughter] 1505 01:14:44,605 --> 01:14:46,231 Wait, what? 1506 01:14:46,315 --> 01:14:48,692 It was different than what his apology was. 1507 01:14:48,775 --> 01:14:50,360 He framed it as a kink. 1508 01:14:50,444 --> 01:14:51,987 You can't be the smart-guy comic 1509 01:14:52,070 --> 01:14:54,239 and be this stupid, you don't get both. 1510 01:14:54,323 --> 01:14:55,782 You all have your thing. 1511 01:14:55,866 --> 01:14:57,659 I don't know what your thing is. 1512 01:14:57,743 --> 01:14:59,661 You're so fucking lucky that I don't know 1513 01:14:59,745 --> 01:15:01,205 what your thing is. 1514 01:15:01,288 --> 01:15:03,040 'Cause everybody knows my thing. 1515 01:15:04,374 --> 01:15:06,835 Everybody knows my fucking thing, now. 1516 01:15:08,003 --> 01:15:10,672 Obama knows my thing, do you understand... 1517 01:15:10,756 --> 01:15:13,342 -[laughter and applause] -...how that feels? 1518 01:15:14,885 --> 01:15:16,762 He never talked about the repercussions 1519 01:15:16,845 --> 01:15:18,764 for the women, but he talked a lot 1520 01:15:18,847 --> 01:15:20,516 about the repercussions for himself. 1521 01:15:20,599 --> 01:15:22,559 "Now, the whole world knows 1522 01:15:22,643 --> 01:15:24,978 "my weird sexual hang-up." 1523 01:15:25,062 --> 01:15:27,189 I like jerking off, I don't like being alone, 1524 01:15:27,272 --> 01:15:28,941 that's all I can tell ya', alright? 1525 01:15:29,024 --> 01:15:30,984 I get lonely. "Where is everyone?" 1526 01:15:31,068 --> 01:15:34,112 It's just sad, I-- I like company. 1527 01:15:34,196 --> 01:15:36,907 I like to share, I'm good at it, too. 1528 01:15:36,990 --> 01:15:40,118 If you're good at juggling, you wouldn't do it alone in the dark, 1529 01:15:40,202 --> 01:15:43,330 you would gather folks and amaze them. 1530 01:15:43,413 --> 01:15:46,583 [laughter] 1531 01:15:46,667 --> 01:15:47,501 [man] Woo! 1532 01:15:48,752 --> 01:15:51,088 Anyway, that's all I'm gonna say about that shit. 1533 01:15:51,171 --> 01:15:55,133 [cheering and applause] 1534 01:15:56,510 --> 01:16:00,514 [Megan] I think it was like an "Emperor has no clothes," sort of situation. 1535 01:16:00,597 --> 01:16:02,641 He came back, he learned nothing. 1536 01:16:02,724 --> 01:16:06,186 He didn't say anything profound about the experience. 1537 01:16:06,270 --> 01:16:09,690 There is this defensiveness around 1538 01:16:09,773 --> 01:16:11,900 and, in some cases, to it now, right? 1539 01:16:11,984 --> 01:16:13,652 What he will not be addressing. 1540 01:16:13,735 --> 01:16:15,737 I don't know if that's his best mode. 1541 01:16:15,821 --> 01:16:17,906 It's the opposite of what made him famous, 1542 01:16:17,990 --> 01:16:19,616 and what made him a great comedian. 1543 01:16:20,534 --> 01:16:22,286 [Michael] Louis had a whole bit about 1544 01:16:22,369 --> 01:16:24,788 how the greatest threat to women is men, you know? 1545 01:16:25,872 --> 01:16:27,791 Louis could still do that bit and say, 1546 01:16:27,874 --> 01:16:29,334 "And I was one of those guys... 1547 01:16:30,669 --> 01:16:32,170 "...and let me talk about it." 1548 01:16:32,879 --> 01:16:35,007 And it feels like such a missed opportunity 1549 01:16:35,090 --> 01:16:36,633 that he didn't do it. 1550 01:16:37,301 --> 01:16:39,469 [Sean] For the times he was willing to tell us 1551 01:16:39,553 --> 01:16:42,139 everything about who he was, and about his foibles, 1552 01:16:42,222 --> 01:16:44,224 there was still this one part of himself 1553 01:16:44,308 --> 01:16:46,977 that he was holding back, and, you know, 1554 01:16:47,060 --> 01:16:49,271 that goes back to the discussion of, 1555 01:16:49,354 --> 01:16:51,106 "Is a comedian just a joke teller, 1556 01:16:51,189 --> 01:16:52,608 "or are they a truth teller?" 1557 01:16:52,691 --> 01:16:54,568 Are the jokes supposed to be the truth, 1558 01:16:54,651 --> 01:16:56,153 or are the jokes just jokes? 1559 01:16:56,987 --> 01:16:59,239 [cheering and applause] 1560 01:16:59,323 --> 01:17:02,492 ["Like a Rolling Stone" by Bob Dylan playing] 1561 01:17:10,083 --> 01:17:12,377 [Michael] He called his next special, "Sorry." 1562 01:17:12,961 --> 01:17:15,213 It's just such a big middle finger, you know? 1563 01:17:15,297 --> 01:17:17,466 And it's like, who are you really 1564 01:17:17,549 --> 01:17:18,967 giving that middle finger to? 1565 01:17:19,885 --> 01:17:22,179 You're pissed at all the people who got mad at you 1566 01:17:22,262 --> 01:17:24,681 for jerking off in front of people? Like, why? 1567 01:17:24,765 --> 01:17:26,183 Why are you mad at them? 1568 01:17:26,266 --> 01:17:28,352 Michael Jackson. Wonderful music. 1569 01:17:28,435 --> 01:17:30,228 Blessed us with wonderful music, 1570 01:17:30,312 --> 01:17:33,148 -did some other things, too. -[laughter] 1571 01:17:33,231 --> 01:17:36,610 What-- Look, what's worse? A pedophile who makes beautiful music, 1572 01:17:36,693 --> 01:17:39,112 -or one that doesn't? -[laughter] 1573 01:17:39,988 --> 01:17:41,990 This is the choices. 1574 01:17:42,074 --> 01:17:44,284 [laughter] 1575 01:17:44,368 --> 01:17:46,787 "No pedophiles" is not on the menu. 1576 01:17:49,373 --> 01:17:52,751 [Wesley] We simultaneously want too much of our artists, 1577 01:17:52,834 --> 01:17:55,170 but they also want too much from us, 1578 01:17:55,253 --> 01:17:56,755 in some ways. 1579 01:17:56,838 --> 01:17:59,716 They want to be thought of only 1580 01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,302 as these people who make things, even though, 1581 01:18:02,386 --> 01:18:06,682 the thing they make is entirely predicated on what people they are. 1582 01:18:06,765 --> 01:18:09,142 What kind of person they are. 1583 01:18:09,226 --> 01:18:11,019 "Sorry" was like... 1584 01:18:11,103 --> 01:18:13,939 You just see a man that's, like, zero fucks given. 1585 01:18:14,022 --> 01:18:16,400 -Do you feel like... Do you feel like... -[laughing] 1586 01:18:16,483 --> 01:18:18,360 ...because of what you've endured, 1587 01:18:18,443 --> 01:18:20,445 you transcended giving a fuck? 1588 01:18:20,529 --> 01:18:23,281 This is the way I look at my life before, 1589 01:18:23,365 --> 01:18:26,910 was that I just didn't think there was danger in the world, somehow. 1590 01:18:26,993 --> 01:18:29,287 So, now I do, and that's changed me a little bit. 1591 01:18:29,371 --> 01:18:32,457 So, that's the opposite of "no fucks given," in a sense, 1592 01:18:32,541 --> 01:18:34,960 but that's more about the way I live my life, 1593 01:18:35,043 --> 01:18:37,671 and the way I plan my life, now, but on stage, 1594 01:18:37,754 --> 01:18:39,965 that's holy, that's a holy place for me. 1595 01:18:40,048 --> 01:18:41,550 And I do think I got that back. 1596 01:18:54,187 --> 01:18:57,357 I love that you've made this return, 1597 01:18:57,441 --> 01:19:00,277 and then, you know, you experienced a bunch of resistance, 1598 01:19:00,360 --> 01:19:02,571 but now it's kind of gone, you know? 1599 01:19:02,654 --> 01:19:05,741 -Yeah, just, like, just keep doing it. -Yeah, and now, 1600 01:19:05,824 --> 01:19:08,952 you're-- you're doing shit that's really being recognized. 1601 01:19:09,035 --> 01:19:11,371 -Like, you won a fucking Emmy. -Well, a GRAMMY. 1602 01:19:11,455 --> 01:19:13,874 -I won a GRAMMY since I came back. -A GRAMMY, rather. 1603 01:19:13,957 --> 01:19:15,167 -It's nice! -That's amazing! 1604 01:19:15,250 --> 01:19:17,502 [dramatic music plays] 1605 01:19:18,295 --> 01:19:21,423 Did the GRAMMYs snub the cancel culture club? 1606 01:19:21,506 --> 01:19:24,509 [Michael] It's ironic that the term "Cancel culture," 1607 01:19:24,593 --> 01:19:26,928 which is reductive and stupid and misused, 1608 01:19:27,012 --> 01:19:30,390 is applied to a lot of people who have flourishing careers. 1609 01:19:30,474 --> 01:19:33,268 Like, these people are, like, they're all fine. 1610 01:19:34,186 --> 01:19:37,439 [Jen] Louis won the GRAMMY for best comedy album, 1611 01:19:37,522 --> 01:19:40,609 and that album was the album he did where he's like, 1612 01:19:40,692 --> 01:19:43,653 "I asked everyone's consent and they said, 'yes'," and I was like, 1613 01:19:43,737 --> 01:19:46,156 "What are the fucking odds?" You know? 1614 01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:48,325 I believe he won the GRAMMY award, 1615 01:19:48,408 --> 01:19:50,035 because it's a secret ballot. 1616 01:19:50,994 --> 01:19:54,080 There is no way that the people who voted for him 1617 01:19:54,164 --> 01:19:56,458 to win that GRAMMY would've done so, 1618 01:19:56,541 --> 01:19:58,502 if it was gonna be reported in the papers, 1619 01:19:58,585 --> 01:20:00,837 their names, as having voted for Louis C.K. 1620 01:20:00,921 --> 01:20:02,839 How good did that GRAMMY feel? 1621 01:20:02,923 --> 01:20:04,758 It was nice! When I used to win awards, 1622 01:20:04,841 --> 01:20:07,427 I just found it awkward, I didn't really care about it, 1623 01:20:07,511 --> 01:20:09,554 -but this one was-- it was very nice. -I bet! 1624 01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:13,475 Didn't Dave Chappelle win awards for calling one of Louis C.K. accusers 1625 01:20:13,558 --> 01:20:15,101 a "brittle-ass spirit?" 1626 01:20:15,185 --> 01:20:16,937 Making fun of the victims is still... 1627 01:20:18,104 --> 01:20:19,397 ...good for business. 1628 01:20:20,357 --> 01:20:22,275 [Louis C.K.] Thank you for coming tonight 1629 01:20:22,359 --> 01:20:25,737 to the world premiere of Fourth of July. 1630 01:20:25,821 --> 01:20:28,198 Enjoy the movie, hang out for the talk afterwards, 1631 01:20:28,281 --> 01:20:30,742 I hope you like it, thank you very much for coming. 1632 01:20:30,826 --> 01:20:31,743 Goodnight! 1633 01:20:32,786 --> 01:20:35,747 [Alison] I think it is somewhat unprecedented 1634 01:20:35,831 --> 01:20:40,377 just how much he has been able to restore 1635 01:20:40,460 --> 01:20:43,463 elements of his pre-2017 success. 1636 01:20:45,423 --> 01:20:49,094 I don't think he was intentionally trying to cancel-proof himself 1637 01:20:49,177 --> 01:20:52,597 when he was distributing his own stand-up specials, 1638 01:20:52,681 --> 01:20:55,392 or self-financing his own TV series, 1639 01:20:55,475 --> 01:20:59,312 but it's been fascinating to watch the culture, 1640 01:20:59,396 --> 01:21:01,022 kind of, catch up with that. 1641 01:21:01,106 --> 01:21:03,692 Louis C.K., go get everything he has. 1642 01:21:03,775 --> 01:21:05,235 LouisCK.com. Go to my website, 1643 01:21:05,318 --> 01:21:06,903 otherwise I can't do this anymore. 1644 01:21:06,987 --> 01:21:08,572 There's no other stream of income, 1645 01:21:08,655 --> 01:21:10,156 except my own industry. 1646 01:21:10,699 --> 01:21:13,159 [Aida] You know, Louis is not on the Tonight Show, 1647 01:21:13,243 --> 01:21:15,370 he's not on TV and Netflix. 1648 01:21:15,453 --> 01:21:18,832 He created his own thing outside of the business. 1649 01:21:18,915 --> 01:21:21,626 The people who love Louis C.K. are still there. 1650 01:21:23,003 --> 01:21:26,339 [Jen] I have never asked anyone to denounce him, 1651 01:21:26,423 --> 01:21:28,508 say he shouldn't work, I've just said, 1652 01:21:28,592 --> 01:21:31,887 when you see women that are hurting and feel like they're crazy, 1653 01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:35,348 because everyone's letting all these predators back, 1654 01:21:35,432 --> 01:21:37,225 while some people never had a chance, 1655 01:21:37,309 --> 01:21:39,603 it really hurts, especially... 1656 01:21:40,562 --> 01:21:43,356 ...in this culture, where it just seems like nobody cares. 1657 01:21:43,440 --> 01:21:45,609 [host] Ladies and gentlemen, Louis C.K. 1658 01:21:45,692 --> 01:21:48,820 [cheering and applause] 1659 01:21:50,238 --> 01:21:51,823 [Sean] For all the fans he's lost, 1660 01:21:51,907 --> 01:21:54,159 he's able to gain these new ones who don't care. 1661 01:21:55,577 --> 01:21:56,828 Maybe, they never cared. 1662 01:21:58,121 --> 01:22:00,123 But, now they see him as someone 1663 01:22:00,206 --> 01:22:04,085 who's waving the banner for people who don't care. 1664 01:22:04,169 --> 01:22:06,713 You're doing Madison Square Garden in the round. 1665 01:22:06,796 --> 01:22:10,050 Yeah, so I, uh-- so, I'm doing it on January 28th, 1666 01:22:10,133 --> 01:22:13,970 and I'm going to, uh, livestream it on my website. 1667 01:22:14,054 --> 01:22:16,890 It's also expensive, it's an expensive place. 1668 01:22:16,973 --> 01:22:20,060 -Renting it is about 400,000? -Something like that, yeah, I forget. 1669 01:22:20,143 --> 01:22:22,395 -To just rent it. -Yeah, it's astronomical. 1670 01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:25,106 They know they got you, 'cause you wanna play the Garden. 1671 01:22:25,190 --> 01:22:27,359 [classical music plays] 1672 01:22:29,444 --> 01:22:31,029 [man] I mean, he's back, you know, 1673 01:22:31,112 --> 01:22:32,781 and, like, we all make mistakes. 1674 01:22:32,864 --> 01:22:35,450 You know what, I don't mind, whatever, you know? 1675 01:22:35,533 --> 01:22:38,620 I'm more or less looking more to give someone a second chance. 1676 01:22:38,703 --> 01:22:41,164 I feel kinda mad at him, 'cause I think it took away 1677 01:22:41,247 --> 01:22:43,333 -from what he could have accomplished... -Yeah. 1678 01:22:43,416 --> 01:22:45,251 ...as far as his television shows, 1679 01:22:45,335 --> 01:22:47,003 he had movies that were coming out, 1680 01:22:47,087 --> 01:22:49,047 where could've been iconic. 1681 01:22:49,130 --> 01:22:51,299 I'm glad he came back, just as he should have. 1682 01:22:51,383 --> 01:22:53,635 There's no reason why he should've stayed quiet, 1683 01:22:53,718 --> 01:22:55,804 why he should've just disappeared forever. 1684 01:22:55,887 --> 01:22:58,098 I'm very glad you're here. I'm really grateful. 1685 01:22:58,181 --> 01:23:01,935 I know that, uh, it's not easy being my fan, these days. 1686 01:23:02,018 --> 01:23:03,812 -[laughter] -Uh... 1687 01:23:03,895 --> 01:23:07,983 I know that, uh, all of you have one person 1688 01:23:08,066 --> 01:23:09,526 who doesn't know you're here. 1689 01:23:09,609 --> 01:23:12,278 [laughter] 1690 01:23:13,029 --> 01:23:14,572 There is that one person. 1691 01:23:15,365 --> 01:23:18,576 You know, I think everybody lives with a certain amount of hypocrisy, 1692 01:23:18,660 --> 01:23:21,830 and this is the amount that I've allocated for myself. 1693 01:23:23,915 --> 01:23:26,793 We all have to draw a line. This is one of my favorite things 1694 01:23:26,876 --> 01:23:29,004 that John Oliver says. People will often say, 1695 01:23:29,087 --> 01:23:31,673 "Where do you draw the line?" Can't listen to R. Kelly, 1696 01:23:31,756 --> 01:23:33,967 we can't do that, where do you draw the line? 1697 01:23:34,050 --> 01:23:36,302 Somewhere. You draw it somewhere. 1698 01:23:36,386 --> 01:23:39,222 You have to draw it somewhere, like, you can't have no line. 1699 01:23:39,305 --> 01:23:41,266 And maybe, tomorrow, 1700 01:23:41,349 --> 01:23:43,143 I will get a new piece of information. 1701 01:23:43,226 --> 01:23:45,270 And I will have to erase that line, 1702 01:23:45,353 --> 01:23:47,647 and I will have to draw it somewhere else. 1703 01:23:47,731 --> 01:23:49,774 The sort of ability to speculate about 1704 01:23:49,858 --> 01:23:53,194 what all could have happened to the many, many, many, 1705 01:23:53,278 --> 01:23:56,948 many people who have suffered at the hands of these men, 1706 01:23:57,032 --> 01:24:00,952 is long, and the longer you think about it, 1707 01:24:01,745 --> 01:24:05,582 the harder it is to-- to really care 1708 01:24:05,665 --> 01:24:07,876 what art these men make. 1709 01:24:07,959 --> 01:24:10,920 Because there's a bunch of artists who didn't get to do anything 1710 01:24:11,004 --> 01:24:13,423 as a result of, either, the incident having happened, 1711 01:24:13,506 --> 01:24:15,258 and they've got a lot of PTSD over it, 1712 01:24:15,341 --> 01:24:17,802 or they were literally not hired, 1713 01:24:17,886 --> 01:24:21,681 because they were prevented from getting jobs. 1714 01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:24,893 Cancel culture, for me, was... 1715 01:24:24,976 --> 01:24:27,562 It was all a ruse, you know, like, 1716 01:24:27,645 --> 01:24:32,567 homophobia, transphobia, racism, misogyny, 1717 01:24:32,650 --> 01:24:35,653 none of it went away, it's still here today, right? 1718 01:24:35,737 --> 01:24:38,448 People are making money, money, money, right now, 1719 01:24:38,531 --> 01:24:41,201 doing it, so what's the cancel culture? 1720 01:24:41,284 --> 01:24:42,494 Tell me what happened. 1721 01:24:47,082 --> 01:24:49,626 [Megan] Since I gave up on the entertainment industry, 1722 01:24:49,709 --> 01:24:53,171 I pretty much only make money selling garbage on eBay. 1723 01:24:53,254 --> 01:24:57,175 Um, and by garbage, I mean, like, shit people don't want. 1724 01:24:57,258 --> 01:24:58,760 If you wanna make money on eBay, 1725 01:24:58,843 --> 01:25:00,929 and you wanna do it fast, spanks. 1726 01:25:01,012 --> 01:25:03,389 Because, as long as women 1727 01:25:03,473 --> 01:25:05,391 are, you know, capable of self-loathing, 1728 01:25:05,475 --> 01:25:07,811 which will be until earth ends, 1729 01:25:07,894 --> 01:25:09,687 they're buying spanks left and right, 1730 01:25:09,771 --> 01:25:11,940 all day, every fucking day, dude. 1731 01:25:15,401 --> 01:25:18,321 [Anthony] It's hard to draw a line, I think. 1732 01:25:18,404 --> 01:25:21,032 That's what makes it easy for people to be like, 1733 01:25:21,116 --> 01:25:22,742 "Well, I'm not doing anything bad, 1734 01:25:22,826 --> 01:25:24,869 "and this person's not doing anything bad." 1735 01:25:24,953 --> 01:25:27,539 But then, to kind of, like, stop there. 1736 01:25:27,622 --> 01:25:30,416 And I think Meg is someone that's, uh, 1737 01:25:30,500 --> 01:25:32,877 so moral, she won't work with anyone. 1738 01:25:32,961 --> 01:25:35,713 [laughs] 1739 01:25:35,797 --> 01:25:38,800 Meg has so much integrity, she hasn't worked in a year. 1740 01:25:38,883 --> 01:25:42,595 [laughing] 1741 01:25:42,679 --> 01:25:46,224 But at the end of the day, I don't wanna participate with the sort of people 1742 01:25:46,307 --> 01:25:50,353 who are willing to just blindly ignore their morality. 1743 01:25:50,436 --> 01:25:54,232 So, that's why I sell shit on eBay for a living, 1744 01:25:54,315 --> 01:25:57,944 and occasionally do comedy, when people will let me, 1745 01:25:58,027 --> 01:26:00,780 because I refuse to fucking participate in this shit. 1746 01:26:01,197 --> 01:26:04,909 This is my quick story about the wonderful time 1747 01:26:04,993 --> 01:26:08,329 that the very thoughtful, Louis C.K., asked my consent. 1748 01:26:08,413 --> 01:26:10,498 [light laughter] 1749 01:26:10,582 --> 01:26:12,250 I get emotional thinking about it, 1750 01:26:12,333 --> 01:26:13,918 because it was so sweet of him. 1751 01:26:14,002 --> 01:26:16,880 [laughter] 1752 01:26:16,963 --> 01:26:18,756 When you say anything, as a woman... 1753 01:26:20,175 --> 01:26:22,719 ...it is the scarlet letter, right? It just becomes 1754 01:26:22,802 --> 01:26:25,680 who I am, no matter how hard I try to fight it, 1755 01:26:25,763 --> 01:26:28,600 and what I'm told is, "You shouldn't have said anything." 1756 01:26:28,683 --> 01:26:30,768 I thought that could just be one part of me, 1757 01:26:30,852 --> 01:26:32,896 I do this, I do that, I might tell everyone 1758 01:26:32,979 --> 01:26:35,190 if someone showed me their dick, then I do this, 1759 01:26:35,273 --> 01:26:37,859 someone else showed me their dick, I might mention it. 1760 01:26:37,942 --> 01:26:39,569 I'm a well-rounded person. 1761 01:26:39,652 --> 01:26:41,529 And I'm talking about this, 1762 01:26:41,613 --> 01:26:43,656 literally almost 20 years later. 1763 01:26:43,740 --> 01:26:45,992 Why am I talking about it? I don't fucking know. 1764 01:26:46,659 --> 01:26:49,996 I don't want-- I'd literally be happy if I never thought about it again. 1765 01:26:50,663 --> 01:26:54,125 Um, but I guess, because culturally, 1766 01:26:54,209 --> 01:26:56,753 something hasn't changed, so here I go with my story. 1767 01:26:57,629 --> 01:27:00,048 I always put it this way. For women in comedy, 1768 01:27:00,131 --> 01:27:01,716 there's always a threat of rain, 1769 01:27:01,799 --> 01:27:03,718 so we carry an umbrella everywhere, 1770 01:27:03,801 --> 01:27:06,429 and men walk out the door and assume it's gonna be sunny. 1771 01:27:06,512 --> 01:27:08,681 We always have to think of something, be aware 1772 01:27:08,765 --> 01:27:10,934 that the men that work with us might be 1773 01:27:11,017 --> 01:27:12,727 trying to get something out of us. 1774 01:27:12,810 --> 01:27:15,813 It just changes things enough, that it taints... 1775 01:27:15,897 --> 01:27:17,982 [chuckles] ...your experience. 1776 01:27:18,066 --> 01:27:20,026 Um, I said "taint," that's why I stopped. 1777 01:27:20,109 --> 01:27:21,152 [laughter] 1778 01:27:21,236 --> 01:27:23,905 [light music plays] 1779 01:27:25,031 --> 01:27:26,532 [Abby]I don't regret doing it. 1780 01:27:27,325 --> 01:27:28,952 At least I've gotten to that point. 1781 01:27:29,494 --> 01:27:32,664 People were coming forward to let people know 1782 01:27:32,747 --> 01:27:35,083 who people are dealing with, and not keep it quiet 1783 01:27:35,166 --> 01:27:37,085 and put other people in those situations, 1784 01:27:37,168 --> 01:27:39,128 was, for me, why you did it. 1785 01:27:40,838 --> 01:27:43,216 But, it's bigger than you imagine. 1786 01:27:43,299 --> 01:27:46,594 It's loud, it's hard, and you just have to manage, 1787 01:27:46,678 --> 01:27:48,846 after that, however best you can. 1788 01:27:51,432 --> 01:27:54,143 After the Louis article came out, 1789 01:27:54,227 --> 01:27:56,813 and Chapelle made fun of me, 1790 01:27:56,896 --> 01:28:00,984 I thought, "Ooh, I need to start expressing myself." 1791 01:28:01,067 --> 01:28:02,402 [switch clicks] 1792 01:28:02,485 --> 01:28:03,987 I need a voice, 1793 01:28:04,070 --> 01:28:06,823 and I can't do this with solo shows. 1794 01:28:08,574 --> 01:28:11,619 And so, I started doing stand-up in 2018. 1795 01:28:13,079 --> 01:28:15,331 And the same stuff that can take you down, 1796 01:28:15,415 --> 01:28:18,710 can be the same stuff that's a rise for the next thing. 1797 01:28:18,793 --> 01:28:21,796 Wow, can you believe it? It's March 4th! 1798 01:28:21,879 --> 01:28:24,716 -[man screams] -March 4th! 1799 01:28:25,633 --> 01:28:29,095 And Dave, I feel like I would say something if I saw him. 1800 01:28:29,178 --> 01:28:32,432 I'd like to say, "I'm the person that you made a comment about. 1801 01:28:32,515 --> 01:28:33,933 "I'm the brittle-ass spirit." 1802 01:28:46,904 --> 01:28:48,948 [classical music plays]