Previously on 90 Day: The Last Resort The Couples Tell All...
Stacey and Florian, how do you think your relationship is today?
We've been arguing, like, every day.
Florian, you're a liability when you act like that,
because what if he does something stupid one day?
I'm responsible for him.
Like, he's gonna [bleep] up our life.
Natalie's, you know, sent me messages that say, "[bleep] me."
- So, like, you know? - Whoa, whoa, whoa.
For me, it was surprise that Josh broke up with me,
so I couldn't really move on.
Josh.
- Yeah. - Did you ever consider Natalie your girlfriend?
I don't think that I would have considered her my girlfriend, no.
Wow.
Ten days after couples therapy,
Jasmine spent the night away from home.
And I kept asking her, "I know you're with Matt."
And she never responded back, "No, I'm not with him."
It's nonsense.
He says his own lies so many times.
Well, I think we'd all like to get to know Matt...
Please welcome Matt, everybody.
Hello. How are you?
Hi there, Matt. How are you?
Hello. How are you?
Hi.
Matt, congratulations on your future baby.
How did you feel when Jasmine told you she was pregnant?
Umm...
You were afraid to have kids, but you weren't afraid to have a kid with a married woman?
I mean, things kind of just happen sometimes in life.
I know Gino is trying to make you think that I'm some horrible,
you know, like, marriage-breaker,
and I'm not. I'm not that type of person.
Um, Jasmine, you always talked about how Gino, um, was physically your type,
but Matt looks very different from Gino.
Explain that to me.
Do you think he...
- Julia, you said you think he looks like-- - Like Brandon.
- Like Brandon? - I thought he looked like Florian.
Anybody else seeing that?
It's if Florian and Brandon had a child.
Uh, well, I...
I don't know how to explain that.
I mean, he's a very attractive man, I won't deny that,
who, even if he wasn't my type, like, I think he's very attractive.
But I always found my husband attractive.
I have always said it, and people don't believe me, but it is what it is.
Umm, Matt,
what would you like to say to Gino?
I'm not the type of person that's gonna sit here
and argue with Gino about what happened there, what happened here.
Umm...
They asked me to come into some open relationship. I agreed.
Umm, I don't know.
If you treat her like you just treat
anybody you wanna be a dickhead to, right,
you're gonna have problems with her, 'cause you're gonna hurt her feelings,
she's gonna get upset, she's gonna cry.
You're not gonna get anywhere with her, you know?
You're just gonna end up bumping heads and arguing all the time.
So, if...
if you don't treat her...
If you don't talk to her like somebody that you care for--
Shut up! You don't know anything!
I'm sure he tried his best to treat her nicely.
I treated her nice.
Gino, you said, when you guys were being intimate, that she still disrespected you.
- Things were still not good, right? - Correct.
So, why'd you agree to this?
I don't understand why we agreed to this whole thing.
I think he just loved her so damn much, he tried. He was trying.
Overall, after all of this was done, I regret agreeing to open marriage.
But I felt like I was trapped in a corner, like I had to make a decision,
take action, because nothing was working for us.
But it did seem like an odd contract in the very beginning,
because your relationship was broken.
- It wasn't as though you had a healthy relationship... - True.
...and said, "Let's bring somebody else in to spice things up."
It was like your relationship was broken.
So, I never really understood how having an open marriage
- would help you become a stronger couple. - Well. Okay.
Okay, I was thinking if I agreed to this open marriage or whatnot...
that would make Jasmine happy.
And if Jasmine's happy,
I'm gonna be happy, because she's not gonna be attacking me anymore.
Please, can I... Please don't interrupt me.
Go ahead, Gino.
Finally, we are both happy, right?
We could get back together at some point,
maybe start being intimate again...
...and then, get rid of the third person.
But how did you think her having sex repeatedly with someone else
would make you two closer,
and not her closer to the person she's having sex with?
Umm, because it's an open marriage.
And, for instance, Reba, one of the therapists, successfully executes it.
Does anybody here think
there was any way this contract was going to work?
No.
It was doomed from the start.
That's true.
So, Matt, you heard us earlier talking about this contract
between Jasmine and Gino when it came to you.
What did you understand were the rules of this open marriage contract?
That she's allowed to, like, hang out with me or sleep with me,
like, twice a week or something like that.
So, Jasmine, what, if anything,
was Gino supposed to be getting out of this situation between you and Matt?
Cheeseburgers.
Yeah, a cheeseburger, right?
What?
What are you talking...
He was happy.
And he will always tell me, like, "Oh, tell Matt to buy me, like, a burger."
And I will come back home with a burger
- that Matt will buy to him. - All right, this is a...
This is 100% a lie.
100% lie, and on top--
sounds ridiculous.
Jasmine never told me when she was going to Matt
since she got back from couples therapy.
Not once did she give me her location when I've asked for it.
It's nonsense.
Well, I think it's ridiculous. I think he's a terrible piece of [bleep] as well,
because he's sleeping with another man's wife.
that guy. I don't need to know him.
He got my friend's wife pregnant!
Hey, dickhead, shut your mouth!
Shut your mouth, senior citizen!
Um, we had a conversation at the gym before, but it was, like...
Eventually, the part came out where they haven't been together,
and I don't know what to say.
This is a grown man. What do you want me to say to that?
You know, I would care, but the thing is,
- is he treated her bad-- - You don't know [bleep], man. You're [bleep] in the head.
Yeah, we did! In the beginning, we did, idiot!
What are you talking about?
Such the ladies' man, aren't you, my man?
Mother [bleep]! Yeah, yourself, asshole.
- You're a ugly mother [bleep]! - Gino.
Just shut your mouth, all right?
I wanna get back on track.
So, Jasmine, here's what I wanna know,
you know, one of the rules of the contract was not to develop any
- emotional connection. - Connection, yes.
Yes.
So... so, in your mind,
what was the line that you were not supposed to cross
when it came to an emotional connection with Matt?
I wanna know if Matt loves Jasmine. That's my question.
I think that's a good question.
Matt, do you love Jasmine?
I do. She's carrying my child, so I do.
Jasmine, do you love Matt?
It's like...
Coming up...
Please welcome your therapists, James, Heidi, and Reba.
I don't remember anyone saying to me,
"Gino, this is not a good idea. You shouldn't do this open marriage."
It's not my job to tell you what you should and shouldn't do.
I think it's really easy to point fingers.
No.
Okay, let me ask one more time,
do you love Matt?
I don't know if I'm having, um...
emotional attachment to him.
I don't know if that is love.
I don't even know what love is anymore.
I don't even know what it is for me to be in love.
I... I don't have an answer for that.
I do care about him.
I feel safe with him. I feel protected.
I feel well taken care. And I like that feeling.
But...
I don't know if I love him.
Let me ask you, do you still love Gino?
Like...
I'll be super honest to you, Shaun...
I...
Look, if you truly loved me, you wouldn't have--
You wouldn't have pursued Matt at the gym five months after marriage.
You... Just hold on a second.
You would not have pursued a man at the gym five months after marriage
- if you truly loved me. That's not love. Sorry. - Like...
- God. Victim, victim, victim. Shut up. - No, no, I'm not your victim.
Guys.
Matt, do you have any final words for Jasmine?
I love her and I care for her.
Whether we're together or not, I still care for her.
So, I'll always be there to support her, you know?
I'm happy, and I think it's going in the right direction.
Matt, we're very glad we had a chance to get to know you
a little bit better today. Thank you very much for joining us.
I know this was not very easy.
We wish you the very best on becoming a new father.
Thank you. I appreciate you.
Gino, we haven't talked about your side of the open marriage...
- Okay. - ...and whether you have been intimate with anyone.
Have you?
I have not been intimate with anyone since...
well, in the open marriage or even since we got back from couples therapy.
Jasmine, do you regret committing to this idea of having an open marriage?
I regret everything.
I just wish I could take time back,
and when I was not happy in my marriage, not being treated right,
not receiving affection, sex, whatever.
You weren't treating me right,
- that's why I wasn't affectionate. - Whatever.
- Or I wasn't being enough. - Stop this [bleep].
I wasn't being good enough for you, Gino.
I should have just, like...
And instead of perpetuating this,
you know, prolonging this nightmare and this torture,
I should have just left.
Therapy cannot fix everything, and that my marriage was done.
Well, Gino and Jasmine,
thank you so much for opening up tonight.
I know this is a very difficult situation to navigate.
We wish you the best as you both move on.
- Thanks. - Thank you, Shaun. I appreciate it.
So, before we conclude,
we've got one more very important group of people to talk with.
Your therapists provided wonderful insights throughout the season.
They've been watching backstage this whole time,
and I wanna bring them out to get their thoughts.
Please welcome James, Heidi, and Reba.
Hi, there!
- Hi, guys. - Hello!
- Hey! Thank you. - Standing ovation.
- Thank you. - Welcome.
Okay. Hi, there. Nice to meet you.
- Hi. - How are you?
Well, you have been listening to the conversation.
- Have we ever? - Absolutely.
Have you ever?
Do you look at these couples as being successful in finding out
what they actually wanted in a relationship?
Oh, Reba, you kind of, like, turned your head, like, "Ooh, I don't know."
I think so. I think that there was a lot of
wanting to do what they felt was right,
- but not really listening to their internal compass. - Yeah.
And I think it's really easy to point fingers,
and I think we saw that and we have seen that today.
But I still think that, at the end of the day,
they saw that the problems were still there,
and that's where this has led them today,
that it's important that they move forward
and find their own personal journeys,
whether they wanted to stay in their marriage,
whether they wanted something else, or that they wanted to be single.
And I think that, in itself, is growth, and if you can walk away with growth,
you've succeeded already in the first step.
Okay, well... well, some of our couples have decided to separate.
There are a few I'd still like to ask you three about.
How surprised are you at where Gino and Jasmine are today?
We were very surprised.
Obviously, we were surprised at Jasmine's newest revelation, right?
But I don't think any of us were surprised about how
the end result of their... of pursuing an open marriage came out.
I think, against my professional and personal advice,
they rushed into a situation neither of them was really comfortable with.
And we see what happens when we rush into things
that are really complicated and really difficult.
So, Reba, if a couple decides to go into an open marriage,
it should not be if your marriage already is broken?
100%.
And I think that's what I was trying to convey to Jasmine when we had this conversation.
As a polyamorous person, I want people to know, like, this is serious.
Like, this is not, "Oh, let's, you know, slap a Band-Aid on our broken marriage,"
because now you're bringing other people into this broken situation.
- Was that explained to them before they started? - Yeah.
I was just gonna ask, no one really told me...
How do you know?
I don't remember anyone saying to me,
"Gino, this is not a good idea. You shouldn't do this open marriage."
I don't recall anyone telling me that, Reba.
Yeah, so it's not my job to tell you what you should and shouldn't do.
- I think it's really easy to point fingers. - No.
Coming up...
You need to totally stop with this, like, disrespectful attitude towards everybody.
They're trained therapists. They're trying to help us.
I was there, I saw everything, and I--
You need to stop. Monster!
I think it's really easy to point fingers.
I talked to you guys about what's required.
I talked to you about the conversations that need to be had,
the agreements that need to be made,
and the trust that needs to be there
for you guys to walk down this path.
Jasmine, you're not in your head, do you agree?
Wow.
I think that's true, yeah.
All right, let's move on.
What do you think about Natalie and Josh?
I think, as we're moving forward,
we need to have clear boundaries for ourselves.
I can see with Natalie, that she's made some strides,
and I hear the work that she's trying to do.
That said, I would love to see her continue to gain
tools to help her ground herself, to help her be able to cope
when she's in these intense situations,
or even just everyday situations
where we need to emotionally regulate.
Oftentimes, our brain wants to release these chemicals.
The cortisol gets built up and we want to scream, shout.
We may wanna punch something, hit a couch,
- whatever, throw a shoe, whatever it may be. - That was me.
And so, the idea is, if in that moment I can catch myself,
to get myself centered and grounded so I can speak to you
in a calm, collected way to get my point across.
Well, I think that's where you came to the place where you are now, right?
As much as you may be attracted to certain qualities,
clearly these... these other components
of the relationship became unhealthy for the two of you.
Absolutely, yeah.
We do need to just cut it off.
Okay, let's talk about Stacey and Florian.
Obviously, um, still a lot of issues to navigate.
Trust is one of them.
What advice would you have for them as they move forward in their relationship?
Well, I think, before we get to the advice,
I think one thing I wanna note is that Stacey came into this wanting help for her marriage.
And I know Florian was clear with that he didn't believe in therapy.
So, right from the start, he was shutting this process down.
I think that they fall into a parent-child role a lot, and...
- and we definitely thought that he... One second, please. - Shh. Quiet.
- Quiet, please. - We definitely see that this...
that it's not an equal balance there.
Florian needs to step up, and he hasn't at this point,
and Stacey has to allow him to step up.
Umm, not your mom. She's acting in the role as such.
A mom.
Okay, however you wanna see it.
- No, here, let me-- - No, no, no!
Florian, please.
No, no. Enough, Stacey.
Have some respect for them.
Can someone stop him, please?
They're trying to explain it, so let them explain, so you understand?
Can I give a description?
Is that okay with you?
Florian, it's used to describe kind of just a general dynamic that happens.
Let's say you guys may flip-flop roles. How about that?
Oftentimes, one may be a parent, one may be a child.
But what we're trying to say is,
when you're in this dynamic,
it kind of takes out the romantic piece.
Right? Because you have to--
Okay.
- I think she does an amazing job. - Oh, my God.
Florian, show respect, please.
Enough. Enough.
Oh, Stace.
- He doesn't get it. - This is impossible.
Wow.
How embarrassing.
Total disrespect.
Can't deal with this anymore.
I can't deal with this anymore.
He's so thickheaded.
It's just he's thickheaded, and the way he's talking to people,
it's totally disrespectful.
He talks about wanting respect. Well, he needs to give respect.
He needs to sit there, he needs to listen, he needs to get educated,
and he needs to just shut the [bleep] up.
The thing is, anger is a protective emotion,
and we see a lot of anger.
Right here.
Just stop. Stop. I'm not gonna tolerate this.
Let's put some energy into your marriage.
Thank you.
Care about your wife.
- Disgusting. - Disrespectful and rude.
Yeah.
I mean, this is what happens when we see people getting triggered.
- Yeah. - Yeah.
- So disrespectful. - Yeah.
You need to stop.
You need to totally stop with this, like,
disrespectful attitude towards everybody. They're a trained therapists.
They're educated. Like, they're trying to help us.
But you're very aggressive and you're very scary, the way you talk.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Stop the [bleep] eyes and the [bleep].
Monster.
I was there. I saw everything.
And I don't need you to school me and...
You need to stop.
Umm, are Stacey and Florian coming back in?
Listen, moving forward,
moving forward, you gotta stop with this [bleep] aggression.
Okay, I don't really wanna, like, go home with you like this.
Yeah, go, go, go smoke your cigarette like you always do.
You know, you said you were gonna quit.
You're a liar.
Never, never, never, never!
Oh, my God.
Welcome back, Stacey.
So sorry.
- I'm... I'm so sorry, you guys. - Don't apologize.
- Thank you. - It's okay.
You did amazing.
I had to walk away to just, like,
- shift the energy. I just... - I get it. It's okay.
- I'm sorry. You didn't deserve that. - It's okay.
Don't apologize. You don't need to apologize.
- But that was, like, my last straw. - Not on you, hon.
- Don't worry about it. - Unbelievable.
Sorry.
You okay, Stacey?
I'll be fine. I just... I'm really upset.
The way he's reacting, it's uncalled for and unacceptable.
Stacey, stop doing that if you can,
- because it's not yours to clean up. - Okay.
- Yeah. - Where do I go from here? I don't know what to do.
You should go to therapy.
- Okay. I'm down. - Yes, you should.
- Take care of your mental health. - Yes. Thank you. I will.
Okay. Well, Reba, James and Heidi, thank you so much.
I know this was a lot of work for you,
and we appreciate all the effort that you put into helping
our couples really understand what they need in a relationship.
- So, thank you very much. - Thank you.
We love you.
- We love you. - Bye, guys.
- Bye. - Bye.
- Bye. Bye-bye.
- Thank you for everything. - Yes.
Well, it seems like Florian is not coming back.
But we do need to wrap things up.
We have come to the end of 90 Day: The Last Resort The Couples Tell All.
I want to thank all of the couples for participating tonight
and for allowing us to join them on their Last Resortourneys.
I hope to see you all again very soon.
Until next time, I'm Shaun Robinson.
Have a great evening.
Thank you.
- Thanks, Shaun. - Thank you, Shaun.
Thank you, Shaun.
Bye, you.
You know, I'm very disappointed about Florian lashing out.
I just feel like he needs to learn to tone it down
and find a way to voice it in a professional manner.
It's unacceptable and I'm not taking this anymore.
- Hello? Hey. - Hey!
Oh, so good to see you.
- I changed a little. - A little?
- Look at you! - I know!
- Oh, you're glowing. - Thank you.
Look, I... I just wanted to talk to you. I know that this has...
been a hard day.
- Very tough. - Yeah.
I don't feel like I had an opportunity to say my part of the story.
It was just, like...
Let them think what they want.
Let them have their opinions, okay?
This is about your freedom.
Yeah. Yeah.
Jasmine, you know what I see? I see that you and Gino are both hurting right now.
Yeah.
Yes. You know your truth, Jasmine.
And what's needed right now, what you need
is what this baby needs,
and that's to protect your peace.
Focus on you and your family and your baby,
b1ecause that is who needs you to be strong right now,
Okay?
And you have to focus on what you need, okay?
Now, come here.
Coming up...
You don't have to make jokes all the time.
This is our life. This is my life, too. Like, it's not a joke.
Like, does this ring mean anything to you?
I ain't putting up with this [bleep].
Just trying to process everything.
I don't know where all this anger is coming from, though.
Like, I don't know, it's some deep-rooted issue for him to just always...
I get it. He wants to protect and defend.
Hey.
Yeah.
And go to church and talk to a priest.
You don't have to make jokes all the time.
I'm serious. This is... This is our life. This is my life, too.
Like, it's not a joke.
Like, your demeanor. It's just, I don't wanna live the rest of my...
I don't even know.
We're just gonna keep going in circles and circles and circles. Just...
calm down.
Maybe you should go to Albania for a little bit.
Maybe you go for a little bit, I don't know.
Like, does this ring mean anything to you?
It's not a freaking joke.
I ain't putting up with this [bleep].
I mean, you never know. I might take a note out of Sophie's book
and just do my own thing for a while.
Is Florian gonna be okay with that?
I don't know.
But I have to do what's right for me.
- Hey, anybody got any bags? - Yeah.
Bags. Bags. Trash bags.
I wanted really badly to be able to get through this Tell All
without Sophie and I at each other's throats.
But it's very evident that Sophie will never be a good partner for me
because she cannot and will not forget any of the past,
and she will always have whatever in her pocket
to try to say that is just [bleep] wild
to make me look like I'm invalid.
Whenever I decide to speak up about some of the actual
that I went through while we were together,
Sophie starts saying outlandish, wild [bleep].
It's like her go-to immediately.
She knows how to make herself look good.
She knows how to make whoever she wants to look bad.
I'll be filing for divorce sooner than later, especially after today.
Even though today went terrible, I don't hate him.
It's just reminded me, like, I cannot go back to that.
I am happier without him, and I'm gonna continue this journey
Maybe one day, he'll look back and realize the reality was, like, he did push me away.
I hope he does realize that one day. Probably not, but...
- Hi, my love. - Hi!
Before you leave, I want to give you something
- For Coco! - For Coco.
I love it.
Look at it. Oh!
- It's for the baby. - No, that's for Coco.
Coco, okay. For Coco.
- Okay. I love you. - I love you. See you soon.
- Love you. - Love you so much.
- Bye, Jazzy. - Bye.
- Love you. - Oh, boy.
I was wondering, "Can I say goodbye?"
- Bye. Your baby's gonna be so beautiful. - Love you.
Take care.
Very proud of you.
- God bless you and the baby. - You, too.
We're always here for you.
Let us know if you need anything.
I will see you.
- Thank you. - Yeah, if you ever come.
- Yeah. - Oh, yeah.
For me, I'm not gonna sit back and cry about Jasmine and how she broke my heart.
I'm gonna move forward in my life.
I'm gonna start talking to women and start dating again.
I'm gonna find someone that's a great fit for me,
that we can communicate, get along and be happy together.
I learned a lesson from this whole relationship and...
I'm never gonna get myself in that situation again.
- Ari. - Yeah.
- Hey. - Hey.
See you later.
So, just, yeah.
Hmm?
I think Bini's done a lot of things to hurt me,
sometimes on purpose, sometimes not on purpose.
But we are parents to our son, so as long as Benny is a good father to Avi,
then we will have a decent relationship.
I'm ready for the future.
I feel like the best part of my life hasn't happened yet.
- Bye, Nat. - Bye.
- Have a safe flight. - You, too.
I need to find something to put some of that stuff in
- 'cause I didn't bring much. - How much stuff you got?
Put it in that... Put it in that zipper bag.
It's 'cause I'm a dad. I know this [bleep].
I mean, I would've figured it out eventually.
Robert, you need to clean up your room.
That's crazy.
Things got pretty heated today.
Felt like I lost my cool a little bit.
You know, but I feel like I'm free from Natalie, and I feel,
like, a million pounds lighter.
We did something.
Hearing Jen talk today just kind of, like, assured me a little bit more that,
you know, maybe I'm making the right decision as far as
the type of girl that I need to be with.
I mean, I'll always have a place for Natalie in my heart.
We've had some great memories and some good moments, and some terrible moments.
But I do wish her happiness.
A lot more happened today than I was expecting.
I would say our relationship's in a better place.
But I do wanna get Julia on track with, uh, this second opinion
- Don't forget your ears. - Okay.
The ears can hear everything.
We're working on holding up my end of the bargain, getting her parents here.
I still strongly feel against it,
but as long as she's gonna keep going down this road with me
and make good on her promise of starting a family,
that's all that's gonna make me happy.
Today was a lot. And I don't think it ended...
in a way we all thought.
I mean, I'm kind of walking away a little confused,
and I don't really know what our future holds.
Let's go home.
I'm always the one to say, like, "Never give up."
That's a tough question right now to answer.
But I'm tired of people mistaking my kindness for weakness.
I'm a fighter, and I know Florian loves me, and I love him.
But is love enough?