1 00:00:06,567 --> 00:00:07,967 [interviewer] How old are you? 2 00:00:15,367 --> 00:00:17,266 A child from the Ukraine who was adopted by 3 00:00:17,266 --> 00:00:18,767 a married couple here in the US, 4 00:00:18,767 --> 00:00:19,967 what happens after that 5 00:00:19,967 --> 00:00:21,567 will make your head burst into flame. 6 00:00:21,634 --> 00:00:24,867 [reporter] Is this a child or a grown woman? 7 00:00:24,867 --> 00:00:27,767 Bruh, this documentary is unhinged as hell. 8 00:00:27,767 --> 00:00:30,066 It's called The Curious Case of Natalia Grace. 9 00:00:30,133 --> 00:00:32,467 The Curious Case of Natalia Grace. 10 00:00:32,467 --> 00:00:33,667 It is shocking. 11 00:00:33,734 --> 00:00:36,567 [reporter 2] More than 10 million people watched. 12 00:00:36,567 --> 00:00:39,066 I have never watched a documentary this good. 13 00:00:39,133 --> 00:00:42,066 This story captured the imagination of the world. 14 00:00:42,066 --> 00:00:44,834 Oh, my God. I'm blown away. 15 00:00:46,166 --> 00:00:48,266 Whoa. I am shooketh. 16 00:00:48,333 --> 00:00:49,667 She was gonna kill everybody. 17 00:00:49,734 --> 00:00:50,567 She's evil. 18 00:00:50,634 --> 00:00:51,667 [woman] You've adopted a kid 19 00:00:51,667 --> 00:00:52,867 and now they're trying to kill you. 20 00:00:52,934 --> 00:00:54,867 I mean, it's the stuff of a horror movie, right? 21 00:00:55,767 --> 00:00:58,266 [man] Like a serial killer or something. 22 00:00:58,333 --> 00:01:02,767 [anonymous person speaking] 23 00:01:02,834 --> 00:01:05,467 Kristine tried to set me up with Natalia. 24 00:01:05,533 --> 00:01:06,567 She was an adult. 25 00:01:06,634 --> 00:01:07,967 [Nicole DePaul] Natalia was a child. 26 00:01:08,033 --> 00:01:09,233 Is it true? Is it not? 27 00:01:09,667 --> 00:01:10,934 We don't know. 28 00:01:14,867 --> 00:01:16,066 [woman 2] Definitely not an area of town 29 00:01:16,133 --> 00:01:18,567 that I would let my kids walk around unattended. 30 00:01:18,567 --> 00:01:20,266 He's not the kind of guy that could do well 31 00:01:20,266 --> 00:01:22,066 if he had to go to prison. 32 00:01:22,066 --> 00:01:23,433 [voice breaking] I couldn't! 33 00:01:24,467 --> 00:01:26,734 I just couldn't. 34 00:01:27,467 --> 00:01:28,667 What a creepy guy. 35 00:01:28,667 --> 00:01:31,333 Who does that with his daughter? 36 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:34,467 [news anchor] Eight months later, 37 00:01:34,467 --> 00:01:37,166 the world is unified in one thing. 38 00:01:37,166 --> 00:01:40,066 They want to hear from Natalia. 39 00:01:40,133 --> 00:01:42,867 [woman 3] They don't know that there's 100% one villain here. 40 00:01:42,867 --> 00:01:44,867 [woman 4] There were all these pieces to a puzzle 41 00:01:44,867 --> 00:01:46,567 that we couldn't quite put together. 42 00:01:46,567 --> 00:01:47,767 [Beth Karas] Natalia was a victim. 43 00:01:47,834 --> 00:01:49,367 The Barnetts are the predators. 44 00:01:49,367 --> 00:01:52,066 [man 2] Kristine trying to beat the truth out of her. 45 00:01:52,066 --> 00:01:54,667 That was what broke my heart the most. 46 00:01:55,100 --> 00:01:56,867 [interviewer speaking] 47 00:02:03,467 --> 00:02:05,367 Just when you think you have it solved, 48 00:02:05,433 --> 00:02:06,667 you find out you don't. 49 00:02:06,667 --> 00:02:08,100 [man 3] The story just got crazier. 50 00:02:08,100 --> 00:02:09,934 [man 4] You might not like the truth. 51 00:02:20,667 --> 00:02:23,367 [Natalia] The Barnetts tried to paint me as this big monster. 52 00:02:24,166 --> 00:02:26,667 They claimed I'm lying about my age. 53 00:02:26,667 --> 00:02:29,667 I was six years old when they adopted me. 54 00:02:29,667 --> 00:02:32,967 but the Barnetts did a petition to change my age to 22 years old. 55 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:37,266 I literally lost my childhood. 56 00:02:37,266 --> 00:02:39,767 [Cynthia Mans] When the verdict was handed down for Michael 57 00:02:39,767 --> 00:02:42,166 and they said, "Not guilty," 58 00:02:42,166 --> 00:02:44,934 and he looked at us and he smirked... 59 00:02:46,767 --> 00:02:50,333 it was like watching my daughter be raped. 60 00:02:51,967 --> 00:02:54,266 There was no justice served. 61 00:02:54,266 --> 00:02:57,667 If I could've caught Kristine in an alley 62 00:02:58,166 --> 00:02:59,467 and put a black hoodie on, 63 00:02:59,467 --> 00:03:01,567 I would have busted her upside the head. 64 00:03:04,567 --> 00:03:06,166 There are things I'm gonna tell you 65 00:03:06,233 --> 00:03:08,667 that you have not heard from anyone else yet. 66 00:03:08,667 --> 00:03:12,567 Michael and Kristine are cowards. They're heartless cowards. 67 00:03:12,567 --> 00:03:14,367 That's not love. That's hate. 68 00:03:17,066 --> 00:03:19,967 Sometimes the truth is crazier than fiction. 69 00:03:19,967 --> 00:03:23,767 She knew that she couldn't "give the kid back." 70 00:03:23,767 --> 00:03:26,834 She's a little girl. She's not a car. 71 00:03:27,266 --> 00:03:28,634 [scoffs] 72 00:03:30,500 --> 00:03:33,266 Many of these questions, there's not gonna be a single answer to, 73 00:03:33,266 --> 00:03:35,166 there's gonna be a lot of answers to. 74 00:03:36,100 --> 00:03:37,367 [Dr. Timothy Gossweiler] What I'm about to show you 75 00:03:37,367 --> 00:03:40,767 will be definitive as to how old Natalia was. 76 00:03:40,834 --> 00:03:42,867 [Dr. Halland Chen] Her DNA has all the answers. 77 00:03:42,867 --> 00:03:45,567 I was never in y'all's room with a knife. 78 00:03:45,634 --> 00:03:46,867 I know what I saw. 79 00:03:49,700 --> 00:03:52,367 [Natalia] In every lie, is a hidden truth. 80 00:03:52,367 --> 00:03:55,367 But you gotta dig enough to be able to see it. 81 00:03:55,367 --> 00:03:57,367 They're not gonna get away with this. 82 00:03:58,166 --> 00:04:00,667 This is my side of the story. 83 00:04:00,734 --> 00:04:02,834 Do I look like a monster to you? 84 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:38,266 There has been so much time 85 00:04:38,266 --> 00:04:41,066 that I've been just trying to figure out who I am. 86 00:04:41,066 --> 00:04:42,634 I have no idea. 87 00:04:43,567 --> 00:04:46,367 Because, right now, this is like a 1,000-piece puzzle 88 00:04:46,433 --> 00:04:49,567 and I think I have like maybe only 300 pieces together. 89 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,333 I want you to know how old I am. 90 00:04:53,767 --> 00:04:55,567 I want you to know about my past, 91 00:04:55,567 --> 00:04:57,734 because I wanna know too. 92 00:04:58,667 --> 00:05:00,166 It's very fuzzy. 93 00:05:00,233 --> 00:05:02,367 Like, there's a lot of things that I remember, 94 00:05:02,367 --> 00:05:05,166 but like I can't picture it. 95 00:05:05,867 --> 00:05:09,967 So I want the puzzle to be complete. 96 00:05:10,033 --> 00:05:12,867 But the things that Kristine and Michael have said 97 00:05:12,934 --> 00:05:14,333 that I've done 98 00:05:14,667 --> 00:05:15,834 is a lie. 99 00:05:17,300 --> 00:05:19,767 It was all copied off the movie Orphan. 100 00:05:19,834 --> 00:05:21,667 Ukrainian girl, Russian girl. 101 00:05:21,667 --> 00:05:22,867 Check. 102 00:05:22,934 --> 00:05:25,066 Orphan. Check. 103 00:05:25,066 --> 00:05:26,567 All this crazy stuff, 104 00:05:26,567 --> 00:05:28,533 standing at the end of the bed with a knife. 105 00:05:29,166 --> 00:05:30,567 Check. 106 00:05:30,634 --> 00:05:32,867 That's why I wanna do this. 107 00:05:32,934 --> 00:05:34,967 That's why I wanna tell people what really happened, 108 00:05:35,033 --> 00:05:37,333 because I didn't get that chance. 109 00:05:39,166 --> 00:05:41,166 Michael and Kristine are painting me 110 00:05:41,166 --> 00:05:44,567 as this homicidal maniac. 111 00:05:44,634 --> 00:05:47,000 "She was eating her period. And she hid it for this long. 112 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,767 And having pubic hair at seven years old, 113 00:05:49,767 --> 00:05:53,066 like, don't trust her. Don't believe anything she says. 114 00:05:53,133 --> 00:05:55,367 She's trying to murder my family," 115 00:05:55,367 --> 00:05:56,867 and this, that and the third. 116 00:05:56,934 --> 00:05:59,867 But then you're gonna come into that apartment 117 00:05:59,867 --> 00:06:02,233 that y'all dropped my off in 118 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,567 and pretty much try to murder me. 119 00:06:08,867 --> 00:06:11,233 I just want people to know the truth. 120 00:06:20,367 --> 00:06:22,367 I'm Bishop Antwon Mans. 121 00:06:22,367 --> 00:06:25,734 And I am Natalia's dad. 122 00:06:26,700 --> 00:06:30,767 We started taking in children. We wanted to adopt 123 00:06:30,834 --> 00:06:33,367 because there was a lot of children who need a family, 124 00:06:33,367 --> 00:06:35,066 who don't have a family. 125 00:06:36,100 --> 00:06:39,767 I'm Cynthia Mans. I love being a mom. 126 00:06:39,767 --> 00:06:42,867 I have literally 11 children. 127 00:06:45,266 --> 00:06:47,567 And I'm Natalia Grace's mom. 128 00:06:47,567 --> 00:06:52,266 [Natalia] I've been with the Mans family for over 10 years. 129 00:06:52,266 --> 00:06:54,567 You can see my life the way it is. 130 00:06:54,567 --> 00:06:56,266 -[Antwon] A lot of love. Great. -Thank you. 131 00:06:56,333 --> 00:06:59,266 [Natalia] I finally have parents that love me 132 00:06:59,266 --> 00:07:01,467 more than Kristine and Michael ever did. 133 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:05,233 My dad and my mom, they let me be a kid. 134 00:07:05,767 --> 00:07:08,000 My dad protects me. 135 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,533 He does what a dad is supposed to do. 136 00:07:11,166 --> 00:07:14,266 My mom gives me hugs every day 137 00:07:14,266 --> 00:07:16,166 and tells me how much she loves me. 138 00:07:16,166 --> 00:07:18,266 And never once have they had to worry 139 00:07:18,266 --> 00:07:20,066 about me hurting their kids. 140 00:07:22,100 --> 00:07:25,667 I have siblings that love me. You can see that they love me 141 00:07:26,266 --> 00:07:29,166 and that I love them. 142 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:31,567 [laughing] Hi! 143 00:07:31,634 --> 00:07:34,066 Hi. Oh, hi! 144 00:07:34,133 --> 00:07:35,066 Hi. 145 00:07:35,066 --> 00:07:36,533 There's no-- Oh, hi. Oh, my gosh. 146 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:40,066 She has been a light to our family. 147 00:07:40,133 --> 00:07:42,033 She has brought so much joy. 148 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,367 But when Natalia came into our family, 149 00:07:46,433 --> 00:07:47,967 she was broken. 150 00:07:48,033 --> 00:07:50,166 [all praying] Love in the name of Jesus. 151 00:07:50,233 --> 00:07:51,867 We plead the blood of Jesus... 152 00:07:51,934 --> 00:07:54,367 [Cynthia] And we're trying to pick up her pieces 153 00:07:54,433 --> 00:07:55,967 from her being shattered 154 00:07:56,033 --> 00:07:58,567 by what Kristine and Michael did to her. 155 00:07:58,567 --> 00:08:03,033 [Antwon] We pray, God, that the truth will be revealed. 156 00:08:03,767 --> 00:08:06,233 [Cynthia] Hallelujah. Thank you, Jesus. 157 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:12,266 I'm Beth Karas. I'm a former prosecutor in New York City 158 00:08:12,333 --> 00:08:14,266 and also a legal analyst. 159 00:08:14,767 --> 00:08:16,266 In my experience, 160 00:08:16,333 --> 00:08:18,367 this is one of the most twisted cases 161 00:08:18,367 --> 00:08:19,734 I've ever seen. 162 00:08:21,166 --> 00:08:24,166 This story is very different from anything I've covered. 163 00:08:24,233 --> 00:08:27,667 Usually, I'm doing stories that have to do with murder and mayhem. 164 00:08:27,667 --> 00:08:29,967 And this has no murder, but it has a lot of mayhem, 165 00:08:30,033 --> 00:08:31,667 and a lot of it. 166 00:08:31,667 --> 00:08:33,066 I mean, it's like a ping pong. 167 00:08:33,133 --> 00:08:34,667 It's just going in one direction to another 168 00:08:34,734 --> 00:08:36,867 as new information comes to light. 169 00:08:36,934 --> 00:08:41,166 Especially now that Natalia is able to speak to us. 170 00:08:41,166 --> 00:08:42,967 And, today, it seems pretty clear 171 00:08:42,967 --> 00:08:46,567 that Natalia has the family she's always wanted, 172 00:08:46,567 --> 00:08:48,266 the Manses. 173 00:08:48,266 --> 00:08:50,233 But that wasn't always the case. 174 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:02,266 'Cause back in 2013, the Barnetts relocated Natalia 175 00:09:02,266 --> 00:09:06,066 to Tippecanoe County as a re-aged adult. 176 00:09:06,066 --> 00:09:08,467 So she's living there on her own. 177 00:09:08,467 --> 00:09:10,667 At an adult learning center, 178 00:09:10,667 --> 00:09:14,967 Natalia gets the attention of the faculty and staff 179 00:09:14,967 --> 00:09:17,567 because it's an adult learning center, 180 00:09:17,567 --> 00:09:19,533 but she's kind of childlike. 181 00:09:20,000 --> 00:09:21,967 So they call the police. 182 00:09:21,967 --> 00:09:25,567 This is what led the current Sheriff of Tippecanoe County, 183 00:09:25,567 --> 00:09:28,066 Bob Goldsmith, but then a detective, 184 00:09:28,133 --> 00:09:32,634 to get involved in the investigation of Natalia. 185 00:09:36,867 --> 00:09:39,533 I'm Bob Goldsmith. I'm the Sheriff of Tippecanoe County. 186 00:09:43,700 --> 00:09:46,934 In our Detective Division, I was the first detective involved. 187 00:09:48,867 --> 00:09:51,867 People talk about a case that's kind of like a defining moment, 188 00:09:51,934 --> 00:09:53,467 the one they'll never forget. 189 00:09:53,533 --> 00:09:55,166 This is one of those cases. 190 00:09:56,467 --> 00:09:58,667 It was in September, 2014, 191 00:09:58,667 --> 00:10:01,433 when I received a phone call from Excel Center. 192 00:10:02,266 --> 00:10:05,266 They said they had a young lady that had came in, 193 00:10:05,266 --> 00:10:06,667 was enrolled in school, 194 00:10:06,734 --> 00:10:08,467 and things just weren't adding up. 195 00:10:08,467 --> 00:10:10,567 She said this young lady has an Indiana ID 196 00:10:10,634 --> 00:10:13,567 that says she's like 22 years old, 197 00:10:13,634 --> 00:10:15,467 twenty-five years old or something like that, they said. 198 00:10:15,467 --> 00:10:17,667 But the conversations she has, 199 00:10:17,667 --> 00:10:20,634 you'd think she's like maybe 11. 200 00:10:22,767 --> 00:10:24,667 I've been around people with special needs 201 00:10:24,734 --> 00:10:26,066 throughout my career, 202 00:10:26,133 --> 00:10:28,266 but nobody like Natalia. 203 00:10:28,266 --> 00:10:31,266 When she walked in, her backpack was bigger than she was. 204 00:10:31,333 --> 00:10:33,567 And she was very, very short. 205 00:10:33,634 --> 00:10:35,967 And she climbed right up in the chair and started talking. 206 00:10:36,033 --> 00:10:39,266 I asked her if she-- "Do you think you're 25 years old?" 207 00:10:39,333 --> 00:10:40,834 And she said, "No." 208 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,266 [Travis] I remember we got in the car, we both have kids, 209 00:10:46,333 --> 00:10:49,967 and we're just like, "There's no way she's that old." 210 00:10:49,967 --> 00:10:53,667 Some people, they have commented that it's an act. 211 00:10:53,734 --> 00:10:56,967 What's your take on Natalia acting? 212 00:10:56,967 --> 00:10:59,767 In all the interactions that me and you had with Natalia 213 00:10:59,767 --> 00:11:02,166 at the Excel Center and here, 214 00:11:02,166 --> 00:11:04,567 even watching her in the lobby, 215 00:11:04,567 --> 00:11:07,000 she always acted like a little child. 216 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:08,467 She played like a little child. 217 00:11:08,467 --> 00:11:10,066 She talked like a little child. 218 00:11:10,066 --> 00:11:11,467 If she's acting, 219 00:11:11,533 --> 00:11:13,934 she never broke it that we could see. 220 00:11:15,567 --> 00:11:18,166 I know at one point, I asked Natalia, 221 00:11:18,166 --> 00:11:20,734 um, if she had been abused. 222 00:11:21,467 --> 00:11:23,367 And she kind of closed up on me. 223 00:11:23,433 --> 00:11:26,100 She quit talking. She got silent. 224 00:11:26,100 --> 00:11:28,100 You could tell she was uncomfortable. 225 00:11:28,100 --> 00:11:30,166 I don't know if that's physical abuse, sexual, 226 00:11:30,166 --> 00:11:32,467 I have no idea. But I wasn't gonna pry. 227 00:11:32,467 --> 00:11:34,767 Um, I learned through the training 228 00:11:34,767 --> 00:11:36,967 and having interviewed several kids 229 00:11:37,033 --> 00:11:39,667 and working these cases over the years, 230 00:11:39,734 --> 00:11:41,567 it's not gonna do any good to pry. 231 00:11:41,634 --> 00:11:43,467 Um, when a child's ready to tell their story, 232 00:11:43,533 --> 00:11:45,533 they'll tell it. So I just left it alone. 233 00:11:47,367 --> 00:11:48,567 Knowing what I know, 234 00:11:48,567 --> 00:11:50,734 I don't think justice has been served. 235 00:11:51,367 --> 00:11:53,000 But what I do believe 236 00:11:53,000 --> 00:11:55,867 is that Natalia's in a place where's she's happy now, 237 00:11:55,934 --> 00:11:58,467 and she feels safe, and she feels loved. 238 00:11:58,467 --> 00:12:00,367 And that's what she said she wanted. 239 00:12:07,667 --> 00:12:09,066 I don't know. 240 00:12:11,900 --> 00:12:13,133 No. 241 00:12:14,700 --> 00:12:17,867 Because Natalia had been telling everybody, 242 00:12:17,867 --> 00:12:20,567 therapists, doctors, us, 243 00:12:20,634 --> 00:12:24,467 um, that she was a grown-up. 244 00:12:24,533 --> 00:12:27,567 [Natalia] It's true that I told everybody that I'm 22 years old. 245 00:12:28,166 --> 00:12:29,767 But... 246 00:12:29,767 --> 00:12:33,934 Kristine literally trained me to lie. 247 00:12:34,467 --> 00:12:35,533 And-- 248 00:12:36,300 --> 00:12:37,467 that's what makes it worse, 249 00:12:37,533 --> 00:12:39,867 the fact that it had to come from me 250 00:12:39,867 --> 00:12:41,867 and... 251 00:12:41,867 --> 00:12:43,367 they could use that against me, 252 00:12:43,367 --> 00:12:45,166 like, "Oh, but you said it." 253 00:12:46,567 --> 00:12:49,166 You said that you was 22 years old. 254 00:12:49,233 --> 00:12:50,967 And then they changed my age. 255 00:12:50,967 --> 00:12:53,767 That whole thing was just a big chain reaction 256 00:12:53,767 --> 00:12:55,166 from one lie. 257 00:12:57,567 --> 00:13:00,667 But people don't know what happened in that house. 258 00:13:02,467 --> 00:13:04,333 They tortured me. 259 00:13:05,367 --> 00:13:07,033 I was abused. 260 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,734 Kristine is the real monster. 261 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:13,834 Michael is an accomplice to the monster... 262 00:13:15,567 --> 00:13:18,333 because he went along with everything that Kristine said. 263 00:13:19,367 --> 00:13:20,767 Who does that? 264 00:13:25,467 --> 00:13:26,667 [Natalia] Changing my age 265 00:13:26,667 --> 00:13:29,567 is the worst thing that the Barnetts ever did to me. 266 00:13:29,567 --> 00:13:32,467 It hurts every single day. 267 00:13:32,467 --> 00:13:36,066 But I was so terrified of Kristine. 268 00:13:36,066 --> 00:13:37,467 When she told me to tell people 269 00:13:37,533 --> 00:13:39,166 that I was 22 years old, 270 00:13:39,166 --> 00:13:41,266 that's what I did. 271 00:13:41,266 --> 00:13:44,266 One time, Kristine told me, she was like, 272 00:13:44,266 --> 00:13:47,634 "I'm gonna show you what it's gonna feel like. 273 00:13:49,800 --> 00:13:52,767 If you do something wrong, I'ma pepper spray you." 274 00:13:54,266 --> 00:13:57,000 Kristine told me to keep my eyes open. 275 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,634 And then she just pepper sprayed me. 276 00:14:00,900 --> 00:14:04,166 And I couldn't do anything about it. 277 00:14:06,266 --> 00:14:10,333 She literally made me sit there for like ten minutes. 278 00:14:14,266 --> 00:14:17,367 Until I could finally go wash it out. 279 00:14:17,433 --> 00:14:19,467 And, even then, it still hurt. 280 00:14:20,667 --> 00:14:22,533 And she didn't care. 281 00:14:26,066 --> 00:14:27,667 She didn't care. 282 00:14:28,000 --> 00:14:29,367 [sniffles] 283 00:14:37,567 --> 00:14:39,834 It just really hurt... 284 00:14:40,767 --> 00:14:43,266 because she was supposed to be my mom. 285 00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,634 But she didn't act like a mom to me. 286 00:15:03,066 --> 00:15:05,000 [Beth] Kristine was going to push the envelope 287 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,166 as far as she could to try to break Natalia. 288 00:15:08,166 --> 00:15:11,000 So Kristine starts putting words in Natalia's mouth. 289 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,567 "This is what you tell people. This is what you say. 290 00:15:14,634 --> 00:15:16,266 You're 22." 291 00:15:16,266 --> 00:15:18,066 And the threat of being pepper sprayed 292 00:15:18,066 --> 00:15:20,867 was just another control mechanism. 293 00:15:20,867 --> 00:15:24,066 The abuse against Natalia didn't start immediately. 294 00:15:25,567 --> 00:15:28,934 But the Barnetts' attempt to control the narrative did. 295 00:15:30,667 --> 00:15:33,567 [Michael] Looking back to 2010, 296 00:15:33,567 --> 00:15:35,533 something just wasn't right. 297 00:15:37,066 --> 00:15:38,367 And you've gotta understand 298 00:15:38,433 --> 00:15:39,734 with it being a closed adoption, 299 00:15:39,734 --> 00:15:43,066 the adoption agency was not willing to share any details of her 300 00:15:43,066 --> 00:15:44,367 when we asked them originally, 301 00:15:44,367 --> 00:15:46,266 "Can you help give us contact information 302 00:15:46,266 --> 00:15:47,367 for her old family. 303 00:15:47,433 --> 00:15:49,967 We have got to find out what's going on here." 304 00:15:50,033 --> 00:15:51,667 They said, "No, we can't." 305 00:15:51,667 --> 00:15:54,467 And then I got a phone call from the secretary of the adoption agency 306 00:15:54,533 --> 00:15:56,467 a little bit later that day. 307 00:15:56,467 --> 00:16:00,834 And she said, "I can't tell you where she's from. 308 00:16:01,467 --> 00:16:03,333 But check her luggage closer." 309 00:16:04,767 --> 00:16:07,567 There was a little ID tag inside of her bag 310 00:16:07,567 --> 00:16:09,166 when we adopted her 311 00:16:09,166 --> 00:16:11,867 that had the original family's information on it. 312 00:16:11,867 --> 00:16:14,166 I have never met them in person. 313 00:16:15,100 --> 00:16:16,767 I have no idea why they would say 314 00:16:16,767 --> 00:16:19,066 they never met the Ciccones 315 00:16:19,133 --> 00:16:21,834 when they literally met them at the adoption agency. 316 00:16:22,700 --> 00:16:25,266 Like, I remember having to wait 317 00:16:25,266 --> 00:16:27,066 for who knows how long 318 00:16:27,133 --> 00:16:29,367 while the Ciccones talked to the Barnetts. 319 00:16:29,367 --> 00:16:31,767 Like, that's literally like how I remember it, 320 00:16:31,767 --> 00:16:33,467 like plain as day. 321 00:16:33,467 --> 00:16:34,533 So... 322 00:16:36,100 --> 00:16:37,734 I don't understand that. 323 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,967 The Ciccones were the first family that ever adopted me from the Ukraine. 324 00:16:43,967 --> 00:16:47,266 I remember find out that they were gonna adopt me 325 00:16:47,266 --> 00:16:49,667 and I was so excited 326 00:16:49,734 --> 00:16:53,667 because all I've ever known was being in that orphanage. 327 00:16:53,667 --> 00:16:57,367 And then just to find out that someone is gonna adopt me 328 00:16:57,367 --> 00:17:00,166 was just an awesome thing for me. 329 00:17:00,233 --> 00:17:01,667 Like, I was so excited. 330 00:17:01,667 --> 00:17:04,000 I was happy that I was finally gonna have a family 331 00:17:04,000 --> 00:17:06,634 that actually wanted to-- me. 332 00:17:08,667 --> 00:17:12,367 When we finally like pulled up into their big driveway, 333 00:17:12,433 --> 00:17:14,066 like it was a hill. 334 00:17:14,133 --> 00:17:16,467 And I was just like, "Whoa." 335 00:17:16,467 --> 00:17:20,166 Like, I remember my 5-year-old self being so excited 336 00:17:20,166 --> 00:17:21,834 'cause it was a big house. 337 00:17:22,166 --> 00:17:23,467 Once we got in, 338 00:17:23,467 --> 00:17:25,734 I literally like just looked everywhere. 339 00:17:27,467 --> 00:17:30,066 And then they opened a door 340 00:17:30,133 --> 00:17:32,533 and through that door was my bedroom. 341 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:36,667 And I was so excited it was pink. 342 00:17:36,734 --> 00:17:40,233 [laughs] And it was just like there was everything in there. 343 00:17:44,467 --> 00:17:47,333 I was with them for about two years. 344 00:17:48,467 --> 00:17:51,266 But, yeah, there was a lot of good memories there. 345 00:17:51,266 --> 00:17:54,734 But then it was like after a while, like... 346 00:17:55,967 --> 00:17:57,867 everything kind of changed. 347 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:06,967 One time, me and the little boy, Buro, 348 00:18:07,033 --> 00:18:08,467 we were just playing. 349 00:18:09,600 --> 00:18:11,834 I landed on Buro's arm wrong. 350 00:18:12,967 --> 00:18:14,867 And I just kept saying, "I'm sorry. I'm sorry. 351 00:18:14,867 --> 00:18:16,266 I didn't mean to hurt you." 352 00:18:16,266 --> 00:18:20,667 But then Gary came in and he just started yelling. 353 00:18:20,734 --> 00:18:22,667 And then, as he was walking away, 354 00:18:22,734 --> 00:18:24,367 I was crying and I was mad, 355 00:18:24,367 --> 00:18:25,934 I said, "I hate you." 356 00:18:29,767 --> 00:18:33,567 After that, Gary, I guess, 357 00:18:33,567 --> 00:18:36,567 like, he didn't like me anymore, 358 00:18:36,567 --> 00:18:37,467 like, that's what I felt, 359 00:18:37,533 --> 00:18:38,567 like, it felt like he hated me. 360 00:18:42,367 --> 00:18:47,367 Then one day, I remember Dyan coming in my room, 361 00:18:47,367 --> 00:18:49,767 she told me, she was like, 362 00:18:49,767 --> 00:18:52,066 "I'm not gonna be your mom anymore, 363 00:18:52,133 --> 00:18:54,867 but I will always love you." 364 00:18:54,867 --> 00:18:58,133 And, like, I didn't know what was going on. 365 00:18:59,667 --> 00:19:02,166 I felt like I was abandoned most of the time 366 00:19:02,166 --> 00:19:05,367 because I bounced around from so many different families. 367 00:19:05,367 --> 00:19:09,166 Dyan Ciccone had gone to the Little People of America 368 00:19:09,233 --> 00:19:13,967 and said, "This little girl is available for adoption." 369 00:19:13,967 --> 00:19:18,467 There were three little people couples interested in Natalia, 370 00:19:18,467 --> 00:19:20,367 but none of them had worked out. 371 00:19:21,467 --> 00:19:23,066 Gary and Dyan, 372 00:19:23,066 --> 00:19:27,567 they passed me around from families, and I met a bunch, 373 00:19:27,567 --> 00:19:29,467 but they didn't wanna adopt me, 374 00:19:29,533 --> 00:19:32,166 or something happened. 375 00:19:32,166 --> 00:19:34,266 And then all of a sudden, she told me that 376 00:19:34,266 --> 00:19:37,233 they found a family that wanted me. 377 00:19:38,300 --> 00:19:41,166 And that's where we were going, we were going to Florida. 378 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,166 It makes me mad 379 00:19:49,166 --> 00:19:51,967 because I pretty much got sold, 380 00:19:51,967 --> 00:19:54,867 like I'm some toy! 381 00:19:57,867 --> 00:20:01,066 When the Ciccones took me to the adoption agency, 382 00:20:01,133 --> 00:20:03,166 I remember being told to just 383 00:20:03,166 --> 00:20:05,166 sit outside the room 384 00:20:05,166 --> 00:20:07,066 and just wait. 385 00:20:07,133 --> 00:20:09,100 And the Ciccones went in first 386 00:20:09,100 --> 00:20:13,467 and talked to Michael and Kristine and the three boys. 387 00:20:13,467 --> 00:20:17,166 I remember waiting for a while, like, I felt like a long time. 388 00:20:17,233 --> 00:20:20,000 Finally, the Ciccones came out, and it was like, 389 00:20:20,000 --> 00:20:21,266 "You can come in now." 390 00:20:21,333 --> 00:20:25,867 And I remember running up to Michael and giving him a hug, 391 00:20:25,934 --> 00:20:27,066 and I called him Daddy, 392 00:20:27,133 --> 00:20:29,867 'cause the Ciccones told me that 393 00:20:29,867 --> 00:20:32,867 Michael and Kristine were gonna be my parents. 394 00:20:32,867 --> 00:20:35,867 I think it was Kristine who told me, she was like, 395 00:20:35,867 --> 00:20:38,467 "We're gonna be your family now," 396 00:20:38,467 --> 00:20:42,767 and I remember still being very sad and very confused. 397 00:20:42,767 --> 00:20:45,066 I believe I cried too. 398 00:20:45,567 --> 00:20:47,667 She was like, "It's okay." 399 00:20:47,667 --> 00:20:50,967 They acted like they wanted me to be their daughter. 400 00:20:50,967 --> 00:20:54,433 So all I thought was just, "I've found my family. 401 00:20:55,767 --> 00:20:58,467 They're gonna love me." 402 00:20:58,467 --> 00:21:01,433 But thinking back on it... 403 00:21:02,667 --> 00:21:05,967 I think I trusted them too fast. 404 00:21:15,100 --> 00:21:16,767 My name is Jackie Starbuck. 405 00:21:16,767 --> 00:21:22,834 I was the lead deputy prosecutor on the State versus Barnett cases. 406 00:21:24,266 --> 00:21:25,767 There are things I'm gonna tell you 407 00:21:25,834 --> 00:21:27,767 that you probably have not heard 408 00:21:27,767 --> 00:21:29,166 from anyone else yet 409 00:21:29,233 --> 00:21:30,667 that are part of the truth. 410 00:21:30,667 --> 00:21:35,567 As we were conducting this investigation and talking to witnesses, 411 00:21:35,634 --> 00:21:38,767 it was clear that there was something going on 412 00:21:39,500 --> 00:21:42,066 that was unusual, to say the least. 413 00:21:42,133 --> 00:21:48,567 From the time that Natalia came to the Barnetts 414 00:21:48,567 --> 00:21:50,667 in April of 2010, 415 00:21:50,734 --> 00:21:52,867 there continued to be a pattern of saying, 416 00:21:52,867 --> 00:21:56,166 "Well, we don't know how old Natalia is. 417 00:21:56,166 --> 00:21:59,667 We think she's this age. We think she's an adult." 418 00:21:59,667 --> 00:22:02,467 When in fact, they had been told repeatedly 419 00:22:02,467 --> 00:22:05,667 by multiple medical professionals 420 00:22:05,734 --> 00:22:07,266 that that wasn't the case. 421 00:22:07,266 --> 00:22:11,567 They were working to hide, really, that they ever had any connection with Natalia, 422 00:22:11,634 --> 00:22:12,767 'cause they also claimed that 423 00:22:12,767 --> 00:22:15,867 they didn't have any records at all 424 00:22:15,867 --> 00:22:18,867 about Natalia's prior medical history, 425 00:22:18,934 --> 00:22:21,667 and yet, they were providing to the school system 426 00:22:21,667 --> 00:22:25,033 medical records from before she was with them. 427 00:22:26,367 --> 00:22:28,100 [Beth] Michael lied when he said 428 00:22:28,100 --> 00:22:29,367 he never met the Ciccones, 429 00:22:29,433 --> 00:22:32,467 and he lied when he said this was a closed adoption. 430 00:22:32,467 --> 00:22:36,100 A closed adoption, by definition, means 431 00:22:36,100 --> 00:22:38,867 no information about or contact with 432 00:22:38,867 --> 00:22:40,333 the prior family. 433 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,166 Not only do we have Natalia's account 434 00:22:44,166 --> 00:22:46,166 of the Ciccones and Barnetts meeting 435 00:22:46,166 --> 00:22:47,867 at Adoption by Shepherd Care, 436 00:22:47,867 --> 00:22:49,867 but we have email exchanges 437 00:22:49,867 --> 00:22:51,266 between the Barnetts 438 00:22:51,266 --> 00:22:52,467 and the Ciccones. 439 00:22:54,367 --> 00:22:58,266 And these email exchanges included 440 00:22:58,333 --> 00:23:01,567 the executive director of Adoption by Shepherd Care. 441 00:23:01,634 --> 00:23:03,767 They were talking to both families. 442 00:23:05,066 --> 00:23:07,367 There were also signed contracts. 443 00:23:09,100 --> 00:23:10,066 And the Ciccones 444 00:23:10,133 --> 00:23:11,266 and Barnetts were involved 445 00:23:11,333 --> 00:23:12,567 in a legal proceeding 446 00:23:12,567 --> 00:23:13,767 within a few months 447 00:23:13,767 --> 00:23:15,867 of picking up Natalia in Florida, 448 00:23:15,867 --> 00:23:17,166 because there were complications 449 00:23:17,233 --> 00:23:18,567 with the adoption. 450 00:23:18,634 --> 00:23:21,066 But for some reason, Michael hid this fact. 451 00:23:23,867 --> 00:23:26,767 And he led us to believe that 452 00:23:26,834 --> 00:23:30,166 Adoption by Shepherd Care was the sole adoption agency 453 00:23:30,166 --> 00:23:32,166 brokering the adoption of Natalia, 454 00:23:32,166 --> 00:23:33,767 but that's not true. 455 00:23:33,767 --> 00:23:36,767 We get this phone call out of the blue 456 00:23:36,767 --> 00:23:38,367 from Adoption by Shepherd Care. 457 00:23:38,367 --> 00:23:39,967 We get this phone call 458 00:23:40,033 --> 00:23:41,767 from Adoption by Shepherd Care. 459 00:23:41,834 --> 00:23:45,567 I have nobody to trust except for the experts involved, in this case, 460 00:23:45,567 --> 00:23:48,066 it's gonna be Adoption by Shepherd Care. 461 00:23:48,133 --> 00:23:51,567 [Beth] But Gateway Woods was their adoption agency. 462 00:23:51,567 --> 00:23:54,266 Michael never mentions Gateway Woods. 463 00:23:54,767 --> 00:23:55,934 Why not? 464 00:23:58,467 --> 00:24:00,066 And I remember, 465 00:24:00,066 --> 00:24:01,867 after we left the adoption agency, 466 00:24:01,867 --> 00:24:03,467 we went to Disney World. 467 00:24:04,900 --> 00:24:07,166 And I remember seeing the Ciccones 468 00:24:07,166 --> 00:24:08,767 and I remember pointing them out. 469 00:24:08,767 --> 00:24:10,867 I was like, "Hey, it's Mom." 470 00:24:10,934 --> 00:24:14,467 And then Kristine was like, "That's not your mom anymore. 471 00:24:14,467 --> 00:24:15,767 I'm your mom now." 472 00:24:15,767 --> 00:24:17,166 And I was like, "Oh." 473 00:24:17,166 --> 00:24:19,667 Like, I didn't really know what to say to that. 474 00:24:19,734 --> 00:24:23,066 I was worried, like, "I hope I don't do something wrong." 475 00:24:23,767 --> 00:24:25,667 We get to the hotel that night 476 00:24:25,734 --> 00:24:29,634 and Kristine's going to give our brand-new daughter a bath, 477 00:24:30,467 --> 00:24:32,634 and I hear a shout from the bathroom. 478 00:24:34,667 --> 00:24:37,767 She says, "Michael, look down." 479 00:24:37,834 --> 00:24:39,834 And Natalia had full pubic hair. 480 00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,467 The first night, Kristine gave me a bath, 481 00:24:44,467 --> 00:24:48,166 and, like, she never mentioned anything to me 482 00:24:48,166 --> 00:24:51,467 about pubic hair or anything like that. Like, I didn't 483 00:24:51,533 --> 00:24:53,066 know what that even was. 484 00:24:53,066 --> 00:24:54,867 Like, nobody explained anything like that to me. 485 00:24:54,934 --> 00:24:58,000 I was six, about to be seven, like, I didn't know. 486 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:02,233 I don't know why they said what they've said. 487 00:25:03,266 --> 00:25:06,767 I don't remember Michael ever coming into the bathroom. 488 00:25:06,834 --> 00:25:08,367 I, like, honestly, I don't. 489 00:25:08,367 --> 00:25:10,667 Like, I just remember Kristine just helping me get dressed, 490 00:25:10,667 --> 00:25:13,066 and then we were just getting ready to go to bed. 491 00:25:13,066 --> 00:25:16,467 I don't remember her, like, calling Michael or anything 492 00:25:16,467 --> 00:25:19,100 like that, I don't remember Kristine doing any of that. 493 00:25:19,100 --> 00:25:21,967 I just don't understand why the Barnetts 494 00:25:22,033 --> 00:25:24,867 would say that I have pubic hair 495 00:25:24,867 --> 00:25:27,266 or anything like that, 496 00:25:27,333 --> 00:25:32,266 because literally, like, I didn't start noticing any hair, and so I was, like, 497 00:25:32,333 --> 00:25:33,834 seven, almost eight. 498 00:25:35,767 --> 00:25:38,533 But that doesn't mean that I'm this big monster. 499 00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:41,066 I was still a kid, like... 500 00:25:42,367 --> 00:25:45,467 Look, some kids start early. 501 00:25:45,467 --> 00:25:47,567 You know, that's just, that's what happens. 502 00:25:50,300 --> 00:25:52,467 Regardless of what happened in that hotel room, 503 00:25:52,533 --> 00:25:57,367 we do know that that event did not trigger 504 00:25:57,367 --> 00:25:59,767 any desire on the part of the Barnetts 505 00:25:59,767 --> 00:26:01,066 to return Natalia. 506 00:26:01,066 --> 00:26:04,266 Was this horror story by the Barnetts 507 00:26:04,266 --> 00:26:07,166 in the Florida hotel room about massive amounts 508 00:26:07,233 --> 00:26:09,667 of pubic hair really revisionist history 509 00:26:09,667 --> 00:26:14,834 as justification for re-aging her years later? 510 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,767 Now that Natalia is able to speak to us, 511 00:26:17,767 --> 00:26:19,367 we have more information, 512 00:26:19,433 --> 00:26:20,767 and some of that information 513 00:26:20,834 --> 00:26:24,166 includes the Gateway Woods' reports on home visits 514 00:26:24,166 --> 00:26:28,767 and Dr. Riggs' report. We did not have these before. 515 00:26:28,767 --> 00:26:31,967 And this is how we learned the fact 516 00:26:31,967 --> 00:26:34,667 that the Barnetts were represented by Gateway Woods 517 00:26:34,667 --> 00:26:37,367 during the adoption of Natalia. 518 00:26:37,367 --> 00:26:40,567 Natalia was seen by a Dr. Riggs, 519 00:26:40,567 --> 00:26:42,367 an endocrinologist, 520 00:26:42,433 --> 00:26:45,867 on June 3rd, 2010. 521 00:26:45,867 --> 00:26:49,367 [Detective Brandon on phone] What age was he saying that Natalia was? 522 00:26:49,367 --> 00:26:52,567 [Dr. Andrew on phone] Okay, so here we go, this was the 3rd of 2010. 523 00:26:52,567 --> 00:26:57,567 So at that time, she was at the age of 9 to 11 years old. 524 00:26:57,567 --> 00:27:01,467 [Detective Brandon on phone] And did you tell the parents this directly? 525 00:27:01,467 --> 00:27:03,166 [Dr. Andrew on phone] Yes, oh, yeah, mmm-hmm. 526 00:27:03,233 --> 00:27:06,433 They were informed that we felt that she was a child. 527 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,100 So this is, like, five weeks 528 00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:14,367 after she enters the Barnett household. 529 00:27:14,367 --> 00:27:17,333 They knew right away she was a child. 530 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:25,667 Michael had to distance himself from Dr. Riggs and his report 531 00:27:25,734 --> 00:27:28,567 because the doctor specifically told him 532 00:27:28,634 --> 00:27:32,266 that Natalia was a child between the ages of 9 and 11. 533 00:27:32,266 --> 00:27:34,867 He also had to distance himself from Gateway Woods 534 00:27:34,867 --> 00:27:38,000 because Gateway Woods incorporated this information 535 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,567 in their report. 536 00:27:40,567 --> 00:27:42,867 Is that why Michael led everyone to believe that 537 00:27:42,867 --> 00:27:45,734 Adoption by Shepherd Care was his agency? 538 00:27:46,900 --> 00:27:49,967 By leading others to believe that the adoption was closed, 539 00:27:50,033 --> 00:27:52,166 Michael guaranteed that few would question 540 00:27:52,166 --> 00:27:54,867 his story about the adoption. 541 00:27:54,867 --> 00:27:57,567 We know now this is not true. 542 00:27:58,767 --> 00:28:01,467 But it made a great cover story. 543 00:28:01,467 --> 00:28:04,567 Everything could have been so different for Natalia 544 00:28:04,567 --> 00:28:09,233 if she had been adopted by one of the families she met before the Barnetts. 545 00:28:17,567 --> 00:28:20,166 -[Nicole] We are the DePauls. -It's not a toy. 546 00:28:20,233 --> 00:28:21,533 -[dog whines] -No. 547 00:28:22,500 --> 00:28:23,533 [Nicole] Woohoo! 548 00:28:24,767 --> 00:28:28,066 As far as Natalia's age, she was a child. 549 00:28:28,066 --> 00:28:31,533 You like? Ooh. You finish that. 550 00:28:34,100 --> 00:28:38,333 We think the Barnetts should be in jail, both of them. 551 00:28:39,166 --> 00:28:41,567 We attempted to adopt Natalia 552 00:28:41,567 --> 00:28:43,934 back in, uh, 2009. 553 00:28:44,900 --> 00:28:47,266 -We set up a private meeting... -We-- 554 00:28:47,266 --> 00:28:49,767 -...really, at a museum. -A museum, right? Yeah. 555 00:28:49,834 --> 00:28:53,433 Her adoptive mother at the time, uh, brought her. 556 00:28:55,066 --> 00:28:56,667 -[Nicole] She came in. -[Vincent] What a cute kid. 557 00:28:56,667 --> 00:28:58,266 -[Nicole] Oh, my gosh. -[Vincent] She was adorable. 558 00:28:58,266 --> 00:28:59,667 -[Nicole] So cute. -[Vincent] Absolutely. 559 00:28:59,667 --> 00:29:02,066 [Nicole] We had Mackenzie already, our daughter, 560 00:29:02,133 --> 00:29:03,567 and she was four. 561 00:29:03,634 --> 00:29:06,166 We actually have pictures of Mackenzie and her 562 00:29:06,166 --> 00:29:09,166 on this scooter together, and they were just like long-lost sisters. 563 00:29:09,166 --> 00:29:11,667 [Vincent] Like two peas in a pod, it was really nice. 564 00:29:11,667 --> 00:29:14,166 And we had two subsequent visits. 565 00:29:14,166 --> 00:29:17,100 [Nicole] Halloween, and they were both princesses that year. 566 00:29:17,100 --> 00:29:19,867 They got ready for bed together, they did everything. 567 00:29:19,867 --> 00:29:21,867 -[Vincent] Helped each other blow dry their hair. -[Nicole] Yeah. 568 00:29:21,934 --> 00:29:24,000 And then Mackenzie had a little car. 569 00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:27,367 [Vincent] Just adorable four and six-year-old playing in the yard. 570 00:29:27,367 --> 00:29:30,266 We were hopeful that it was gonna move forward, and, uh-- 571 00:29:30,333 --> 00:29:32,567 Um, yeah, like, it felt like a bomb got dropped, 572 00:29:32,634 --> 00:29:36,967 and then we weren't able to see Natalia again after the last visit 573 00:29:37,033 --> 00:29:40,166 over Christmas because things just got really messy, 574 00:29:40,166 --> 00:29:41,467 uh, with the attorneys. 575 00:29:41,533 --> 00:29:44,567 You know, it had nothing to do with Natalia. 576 00:29:44,634 --> 00:29:46,867 -It was heartbreaking. -It was very heartbreaking. 577 00:29:46,867 --> 00:29:47,967 Ugh. 578 00:29:47,967 --> 00:29:50,767 Very, very heartbreaking. 579 00:29:50,767 --> 00:29:54,567 The bond between Natalia and the DePauls 580 00:29:54,634 --> 00:29:57,567 was deep and enduring. 581 00:29:57,567 --> 00:30:00,367 They loved her, had no problems with her, 582 00:30:00,433 --> 00:30:03,734 they wanted Natalia to be a member of the family. 583 00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,767 I'm sorry, honey. 584 00:30:06,834 --> 00:30:09,567 This should have worked out with the DePauls, right? 585 00:30:09,567 --> 00:30:11,567 But things get complicated 586 00:30:11,567 --> 00:30:15,166 when Child Protective Services in New Hampshire received 587 00:30:15,233 --> 00:30:18,867 a report regarding Natalia and the Ciccones. 588 00:30:18,867 --> 00:30:24,166 The Ciccones suspected the DePauls filed that report. 589 00:30:24,166 --> 00:30:25,767 The DePauls denied it, 590 00:30:25,834 --> 00:30:30,467 but it culminated in Natalia's adoption being taken off the table. 591 00:30:30,533 --> 00:30:33,166 She was no longer available to the DePauls. 592 00:30:33,166 --> 00:30:36,867 As you can imagine, this was heartbreaking for the DePauls 593 00:30:36,867 --> 00:30:38,367 and their daughter, Mackenzie, 594 00:30:38,367 --> 00:30:41,133 but also, it was heartbreaking for Natalia. 595 00:30:44,867 --> 00:30:48,166 The DePauls, they were little people like me, 596 00:30:48,233 --> 00:30:51,667 and I used to always go and visit them. 597 00:30:51,667 --> 00:30:54,934 Um, I was there for Christmas, 598 00:30:55,867 --> 00:31:00,166 Halloween, and Mackenzie and I were, like, 599 00:31:00,166 --> 00:31:02,867 it felt like we were best friends. 600 00:31:02,867 --> 00:31:04,867 I loved hanging out with her. 601 00:31:04,867 --> 00:31:07,867 We did, like, almost everything together. 602 00:31:07,867 --> 00:31:10,634 Just like how sisters would be. 603 00:31:11,500 --> 00:31:13,867 I really did wanna stay with the DePauls, 604 00:31:13,867 --> 00:31:18,066 so I wouldn't have had to go through the pain that I went through. 605 00:31:18,133 --> 00:31:22,967 I felt like they actually wanted me and they loved me. 606 00:31:23,033 --> 00:31:26,467 But-- And then it was just, like, I just stopped seeing them. 607 00:31:27,500 --> 00:31:29,100 And I was sad about that. 608 00:31:29,100 --> 00:31:31,467 I don't know, it was just a really weird thing, 609 00:31:31,467 --> 00:31:33,634 like, I just stopped seeing them altogether. 610 00:31:34,467 --> 00:31:35,834 Oh, yeah. 611 00:31:38,567 --> 00:31:41,767 [Nicole] A few months later, Kristine messaged me, 612 00:31:41,767 --> 00:31:45,867 and she said, "We adopted Natalia." 613 00:31:45,934 --> 00:31:49,266 The first red flag that I saw with the Barnett family was 614 00:31:49,266 --> 00:31:53,567 they got Natalia way too quickly, never even met her. 615 00:31:53,567 --> 00:31:55,667 And they just, basically, that was it. 616 00:31:55,667 --> 00:31:57,066 They just ripped her out of the family. 617 00:31:57,133 --> 00:31:58,367 [Vincent] That was kind of shocking to us. 618 00:31:58,367 --> 00:32:00,066 -Should we-- -"Should we make sure it's a good fit?" 619 00:32:00,066 --> 00:32:01,467 -Yeah. -"Should we make sure she likes us?" 620 00:32:01,467 --> 00:32:04,266 "Should we make sure she's comfortable with us and our other kids?" 621 00:32:04,266 --> 00:32:09,166 She's a little girl, she's not a car. [scoffs] 622 00:32:09,166 --> 00:32:14,166 Another thing that felt weird was Kristine asked me, 623 00:32:14,166 --> 00:32:17,367 you know, "Had you ever, um, questioned Natalia's age?" 624 00:32:17,367 --> 00:32:20,066 I said, "I've never once questioned Natalia's age." 625 00:32:20,133 --> 00:32:24,634 I said, "I have her birth certificate, I have all of her paperwork." 626 00:32:26,667 --> 00:32:28,667 -Do you remember this? -[Mackenzie] Yeah. 627 00:32:28,734 --> 00:32:30,266 -This was at the museum... -The museum. 628 00:32:30,266 --> 00:32:31,867 ...when we first met Natalia. 629 00:32:31,867 --> 00:32:33,767 It was in 2009. 630 00:32:34,367 --> 00:32:36,467 And look at her tooth. 631 00:32:36,467 --> 00:32:39,066 -See? It's missing, right? -[Mackenzie] Yeah. 632 00:32:41,066 --> 00:32:46,166 In this picture, you can see the difference. See the teeth? 633 00:32:46,233 --> 00:32:47,667 This one's from Halloween. 634 00:32:47,667 --> 00:32:49,166 Can you see the teeth? 635 00:32:51,367 --> 00:32:54,266 And then this one is before that. 636 00:32:54,333 --> 00:32:58,266 You could tell the changes, obviously, in her teeth here. 637 00:32:58,266 --> 00:33:02,967 And adults don't have changes in their teeth like that. 638 00:33:02,967 --> 00:33:05,166 That happens only once in your life, 639 00:33:05,166 --> 00:33:07,100 when you're around six years old, 640 00:33:07,100 --> 00:33:08,567 exactly how old she is... 641 00:33:08,567 --> 00:33:10,266 -[both chuckle] -...in 2009. 642 00:33:10,266 --> 00:33:12,166 Does that look like a 20-year-old to you? 643 00:33:12,166 --> 00:33:13,266 I mean, come on. 644 00:33:13,266 --> 00:33:15,767 -[both chuckle] -I'm sorry, which is ludicrous. 645 00:33:22,500 --> 00:33:25,867 I remember, when I was with the Barnetts, 646 00:33:25,867 --> 00:33:28,967 we had just got back from dinner, 647 00:33:28,967 --> 00:33:31,166 and my tooth came out. 648 00:33:31,233 --> 00:33:33,233 I had a wiggly tooth, and my tooth came out. 649 00:33:34,066 --> 00:33:36,100 Of course, Kristine didn't believe me. 650 00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:38,166 She said, "Why did you pull your tooth out?" 651 00:33:38,233 --> 00:33:40,767 I said, "I didn't pull my tooth out." 652 00:33:40,834 --> 00:33:43,867 And there was, like, a long piece, 653 00:33:43,867 --> 00:33:46,100 like, I guess, like, almost, like, the root of it, 654 00:33:46,100 --> 00:33:49,667 and she's like, "See, the root is right there, you pulled it out. 655 00:33:49,667 --> 00:33:53,166 That wouldn't be there if your tooth actually fell out." 656 00:33:54,867 --> 00:33:56,867 And I didn't know what to say to that, 657 00:33:56,867 --> 00:34:00,867 but I just kept telling her, "No, I didn't, I didn't pull my tooth out, it fell out." 658 00:34:00,934 --> 00:34:03,867 But she just kept telling me, "You're lying, you pulled your tooth out." 659 00:34:09,367 --> 00:34:11,266 Ny name is Dr. Tim Gossweiler, 660 00:34:11,266 --> 00:34:16,467 I've been practicing general dentistry for 34 years, 661 00:34:16,467 --> 00:34:18,767 and I am the dentist that, 662 00:34:18,767 --> 00:34:20,867 uh, Natalia Barnett 663 00:34:20,867 --> 00:34:21,767 and her mother 664 00:34:21,767 --> 00:34:22,867 came to see in 2011. 665 00:34:23,567 --> 00:34:25,467 Mrs. Barnett brought in Natalia, 666 00:34:25,467 --> 00:34:28,867 and was saying, "We have a question as to how old Natalia is, 667 00:34:28,867 --> 00:34:30,967 we think she might be older than what she says she is. 668 00:34:31,033 --> 00:34:32,767 Is there a way you can find out?" 669 00:34:32,767 --> 00:34:35,033 Uh, which is an unusual request. 670 00:34:37,100 --> 00:34:40,567 Talking to Natalia, she looked like she was about seven, 671 00:34:40,567 --> 00:34:42,767 but she acted like she was much older. 672 00:34:42,767 --> 00:34:45,367 She was answering questions articulately. 673 00:34:45,367 --> 00:34:47,767 So at seven years old, you just don't see that all the time, 674 00:34:47,767 --> 00:34:51,567 and that's why I thought, "Well, this girl can't be seven years old." 675 00:34:51,634 --> 00:34:53,767 And I can see how mom would think that, 676 00:34:53,767 --> 00:34:57,333 after talking to her, because she seemed very mature. 677 00:34:58,266 --> 00:35:01,367 I did ask how do they know 678 00:35:01,433 --> 00:35:05,066 that she's not six or whatever when they got her? 679 00:35:05,066 --> 00:35:07,567 And she's like, "Well, we had dental records done 680 00:35:07,634 --> 00:35:09,767 on her and the dentist said 681 00:35:09,767 --> 00:35:12,467 that none of her teeth are baby teeth, 682 00:35:12,467 --> 00:35:14,767 they're all adult teeth. 683 00:35:14,767 --> 00:35:18,934 So I was like, "Okay, okay." [chuckles softly] 684 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,066 [Dr. Timothy] This is the room where we did Natalia's panoramic X-ray. 685 00:35:25,133 --> 00:35:26,667 So what I'm about to show you 686 00:35:26,667 --> 00:35:29,567 will be a definitive answer as to 687 00:35:29,634 --> 00:35:33,066 how old Natalia was in 2011. 688 00:35:36,667 --> 00:35:40,000 Yeah, we determined that she had, uh, 689 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:44,567 12 baby teeth remaining, uh, three in each quadrant, 690 00:35:44,634 --> 00:35:47,767 so these three teeth right here, in all the quadrants. 691 00:35:47,834 --> 00:35:50,967 It's very simple to determine Natalia's age, I mean, 692 00:35:51,033 --> 00:35:53,867 there is really no question when you take an X-ray like this. 693 00:35:53,934 --> 00:35:56,100 You've got baby teeth, adult teeth, 694 00:35:56,100 --> 00:35:58,967 and there is a range that you have for someone 695 00:35:59,033 --> 00:36:01,867 who's got this level of tooth development, 696 00:36:01,934 --> 00:36:05,166 and that's going to be, going to extremes, 697 00:36:05,233 --> 00:36:07,333 six to nine years old. 698 00:36:08,467 --> 00:36:11,166 This is way too many baby teeth to be an adult. 699 00:36:11,233 --> 00:36:15,467 It's indisputable, you can't fake teeth coming in like this. 700 00:36:15,467 --> 00:36:18,000 So when mom and Natalia left, 701 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:22,166 mom knew that Natalia was around eight or nine, 702 00:36:22,233 --> 00:36:25,634 which is right in the range of what she said that she was. 703 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:33,667 Oh, her age was ch-- They legally changed her age? 704 00:36:33,734 --> 00:36:36,467 Oh, they tried to-- Oh, I wasn't aware of that. 705 00:36:36,467 --> 00:36:37,767 And what was it changed to? 706 00:36:42,166 --> 00:36:45,166 Oh, really? Wow. 707 00:36:46,367 --> 00:36:47,734 Yeah. 708 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:52,867 Yeah, that's a big jump. 709 00:36:52,867 --> 00:36:55,166 Nothing in the X-ray that we took that would show 710 00:36:55,166 --> 00:36:57,367 that she could be anywhere near 711 00:36:57,433 --> 00:37:03,967 15 years older. Wow, that seems crazy. 712 00:37:03,967 --> 00:37:07,266 [Beth] So that means that even after signing the dental records, 713 00:37:08,166 --> 00:37:09,967 Kristine still told people 714 00:37:10,033 --> 00:37:11,634 that Natalia was an adult. 715 00:37:13,166 --> 00:37:14,700 Why? 716 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:21,667 [Natalia] After the trial and everything, and all the records I have, 717 00:37:21,734 --> 00:37:22,967 especially in the medical records, 718 00:37:23,033 --> 00:37:25,867 it all points to me being a kid. 719 00:37:25,867 --> 00:37:28,367 So I understand what the truth is. 720 00:37:28,433 --> 00:37:31,367 I've known the truth for as long as I can remember, 721 00:37:31,367 --> 00:37:32,867 that I was a kid. 722 00:37:32,934 --> 00:37:36,767 But there's a lot of people who are thinking, like, 723 00:37:36,767 --> 00:37:39,166 "There is a way to tell her age. 724 00:37:39,166 --> 00:37:41,834 There is a way to prove it." 725 00:37:44,667 --> 00:37:47,166 I just want people to just really 726 00:37:47,166 --> 00:37:48,934 see the truth about my age. 727 00:37:59,367 --> 00:38:00,967 TruDiagnostic, 728 00:38:00,967 --> 00:38:02,567 really, we're answering a fundamental question, 729 00:38:02,567 --> 00:38:03,867 "How old are you?" 730 00:38:03,867 --> 00:38:05,867 In fact, the uses and the insurance 731 00:38:05,934 --> 00:38:08,166 will actually predict when someone's gonna die, right? 732 00:38:08,166 --> 00:38:09,767 And so, if you think about that world, 733 00:38:09,834 --> 00:38:11,567 this is super important to be accurate. 734 00:38:12,100 --> 00:38:13,066 What we're trying to determine 735 00:38:13,133 --> 00:38:14,667 is someone's chronological age, 736 00:38:14,734 --> 00:38:16,367 not based off of anyone's emotions, 737 00:38:16,433 --> 00:38:18,266 or what he said or she said. 738 00:38:18,266 --> 00:38:21,166 For Natalia, we're trying to figure out, "Well, how old is she?" 739 00:38:23,367 --> 00:38:25,734 [softly] Ooh. 740 00:38:26,767 --> 00:38:28,533 -[man] You ready? -No, mm. 741 00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,000 We're really just taking a sample of blood, 742 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,867 which has our answers, because it's in the DNA. 743 00:38:37,934 --> 00:38:40,567 Once we get this sample, we are very excited 744 00:38:40,634 --> 00:38:42,934 to really tie this entire case together. 745 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,166 [Natalia] I'm praying for the best for this, 746 00:38:54,233 --> 00:38:56,767 but I'm really nervous. 747 00:38:56,767 --> 00:38:59,567 Like, I don't know what they're gonna say. 748 00:38:59,567 --> 00:39:00,867 Thanks for coming to the lab. 749 00:39:00,934 --> 00:39:02,266 Wanna take a look at the results? 750 00:39:02,266 --> 00:39:03,834 Yes. 751 00:39:05,500 --> 00:39:07,100 All right. 752 00:39:08,166 --> 00:39:11,000 -[chuckles nervously] -[Dr. Halland] All right, so moment of truth, all right? 753 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,133 Yes. 754 00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,433 Based off of all the studies and everything being analyzed, 755 00:39:17,467 --> 00:39:19,433 you're more closer to 22. 756 00:39:20,667 --> 00:39:24,767 Which is pretty close to what you think, you're almost 20, 757 00:39:24,767 --> 00:39:26,033 that's within two years. 758 00:39:27,867 --> 00:39:29,867 Wow. 759 00:39:29,867 --> 00:39:36,066 This one little piece of paper throws every single lie 760 00:39:36,133 --> 00:39:38,667 that the Barnetts have said right into the trash 761 00:39:39,367 --> 00:39:40,533 with a match. 762 00:39:46,567 --> 00:39:48,367 [sniffles] This is so big, 763 00:39:48,367 --> 00:39:51,867 because literally, this has been 13 years. 764 00:39:51,867 --> 00:39:55,934 Thirteen years of just two people lying their butts off. 765 00:39:57,567 --> 00:40:00,767 [sniffles] They ruined a kid's life. 766 00:40:00,834 --> 00:40:04,767 They painted that I'm some big monster, when in reality, they were the ones. 767 00:40:04,767 --> 00:40:06,967 [Bishop Antwon] You're exactly right. 768 00:40:08,266 --> 00:40:11,133 [Natalia] It just proves that I was not lying about my age. 769 00:40:12,367 --> 00:40:15,967 They ignored everything... [sniffles] ...that was pointing to the truth, 770 00:40:16,033 --> 00:40:18,467 just so they could create this stupid lie. 771 00:40:25,100 --> 00:40:27,934 [crying] 772 00:40:31,066 --> 00:40:34,467 So if all of that is true about her age, 773 00:40:34,467 --> 00:40:38,367 that means Natalia came into the country in 2008 774 00:40:38,367 --> 00:40:39,967 when she was four, almost five. 775 00:40:39,967 --> 00:40:44,166 Adopted by the Barnetts in 2010 when she was seven. 776 00:40:44,166 --> 00:40:47,667 Natalia was eight when the age-change petition was filed, 777 00:40:47,734 --> 00:40:51,567 and was placed in the apartment in Westfield. 778 00:40:51,634 --> 00:40:53,567 In July of 2013, 779 00:40:53,634 --> 00:40:56,367 when she was placed in the Lafayette apartment, 780 00:40:56,367 --> 00:40:57,767 she would have been nine, 781 00:40:57,767 --> 00:41:00,467 a few months shy of turning ten. 782 00:41:00,467 --> 00:41:03,567 What that means is that Natalia was a child 783 00:41:03,634 --> 00:41:05,467 living on her own. 784 00:41:05,467 --> 00:41:07,333 [sniffling and crying] 785 00:41:08,767 --> 00:41:12,033 I just wanna know, why create this story? 786 00:41:13,567 --> 00:41:14,567 [sniffles] 787 00:41:14,634 --> 00:41:17,533 They knew, and they still did what they did. 788 00:41:22,367 --> 00:41:23,634 [sniffles] 789 00:41:30,100 --> 00:41:31,166 [Bishop Antwon] Why do this? 790 00:41:31,166 --> 00:41:33,166 Why go through all of this, for what? 791 00:41:33,166 --> 00:41:36,834 The question is, why? 792 00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,634 That's the million-dollar question. 793 00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:44,567 I always knew I wasn't an adult, 794 00:41:44,567 --> 00:41:46,967 but I never knew why the Barnetts 795 00:41:47,033 --> 00:41:48,433 adopted me. 796 00:41:49,367 --> 00:41:53,367 Never once did I see any love. 797 00:41:54,300 --> 00:41:57,567 I feel like there's something bigger with this. 798 00:41:57,567 --> 00:41:59,266 I don't know what it is. 799 00:41:59,266 --> 00:42:01,066 How did they shut these doctors up? 800 00:42:01,133 --> 00:42:03,166 How did they hide all this evidence? 801 00:42:03,867 --> 00:42:06,233 They are hiding something big. 802 00:42:07,867 --> 00:42:10,433 And I wanna know the answers to these questions. 803 00:42:11,467 --> 00:42:14,200 And I want people to pay for what they have done.