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ANGELA BASSETT: With Black Panther,
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we've never seen a world like this,
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populated with so many
different faces and colors.
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Women who look like me
in their resplendent glory
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were few and far between,
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and had never been
quite realized or seen before.
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I fell in love with this story,
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almost as if
I'm on the outside looking in.
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RAMONDA: Shuri.
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BASSETT: As a little girl,
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as an audience member,
as a woman of color...
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(SPEAKING INDISTINCTLY)
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...enamored with cinema and characters
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and how they can inspire onscreen.
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RAMONDA: It is your time.
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BASSETT: And Black Panther is that story
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that truly has transported audiences.
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- T'CHALLA: Wakanda forever!
- PEOPLE: Wakanda forever!
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I'm unstoppable
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I'm a Porsche with no brakes
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I'm invincible
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Yeah, I win every single game
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I'm so powerful
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I don't need batteries to play
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I'm so confident
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Yeah, I'm unstoppable today
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Unstoppable today
Unstoppable today
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Unstoppable today
I'm unstoppable today
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We are home.
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LUPITA NYONG'O: The representation
of women in Black Panther...
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(PEOPLE CHEERING)
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{\an8}...is plentiful and varied.
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And I think those things
are incredibly vital.
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We don't see enough of that in cinema.
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You are not fit to be a king!
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(GRUNTS)
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(BOTH GRUNTING)
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{\an8}The idea of being
a woman in charge of things...
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{\an8}It's embedded in the very DNA of how
this story was built from the beginning...
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Don't touch anything.
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...that these women were that powerful.
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Take her to the River Province
to prepare her for the ceremony.
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Yes, General.
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NYONG'O: We were very much
the backbone of the male superhero.
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A very capable group of women
who support him in very different ways.
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{\an8}His sister, his mother,
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{\an8}his lover, his general.
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{\an8}Typically, there's not a lot
of strong female characters in cinema.
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{\an8}And then, if you then think about
Black female characters, boy.
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That is a very shallow pool.
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(WHISPERING)
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MOORE: But heroes get to be
whoever we define them to be.
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(INDISTINCT SHOUTING)
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- (GRUNTING)
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TRINH TRAN: Black Panther was a very
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{\an8}female-driven, you know, feature,
which was amazing.
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(PEOPLE GRUNTING)
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And we wanted to make sure
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that the female superheroes
stand next to the men
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and they're equally badass.
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- (BELLOWS)
- (GRUNTS)
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(BOTH GRUNT)
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HANNAH BEACHLER: This is empowering
for so many people
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{\an8}to see on a huge screen
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{\an8}Black women who are really powerful.
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{\an8}Women are beacons of strength.
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{\an8}When you see yourself
represented in all your power,
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you're reassured
that we're okay in the world.
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(MAN YELPS)
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GURIRA: Women, Black women,
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can be represented
in so many different ways.
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- Hold tight!
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We can take on
many different roles very powerfully.
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MAN: And action!
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NYONG'O: It was all of us coming together
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to represent powerful women.
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For centuries, we have kept
our people safe.
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And doing it with such ownership
and such passion.
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- MAN 1: Set.
- MAN 2: Action.
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BASSETT: We're so excited
to work with one another,
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{\an8}and I think it's something about
the strength of these women.
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FLORENCE KASUMBA: When I go to work,
it's my normal
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that I have all these female colleagues.
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{\an8}And we learn from each other,
we see each other,
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{\an8}and we have the feeling
that we are represented.
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And together, we are great
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because we know what our strengths are,
and we support each other.
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{\an8}In Black Panther,
there wasn't just one superhero.
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The Dora Milaje is a tribe of them.
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{\an8}The Dora Milaje
is an all-female guard and warrior unit.
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{\an8}You know, they're kind of like,
um, the Secret Service,
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{\an8}if you crossed them with Navy SEALs.
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- Come on!
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TRAN: To have the Dora Milaje
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as a representation
of the army for Wakanda,
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as the protector of the Queen and King,
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that says so much.
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Regardless of what gender you are,
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you can do anything.
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(SPEAKING XHOSA)
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AUTUMN DURALD ARKAPAW: The Dora,
they're just so gorgeous and powerful.
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{\an8}They look amazing on camera
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{\an8}when they're together
and when they're all doing their moves.
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{\an8}- (SPEAKING XHOSA)
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{\an8}The idea of stepping into
a role like the Dora Milaje,
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with these women being the rescuers,
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that, of course, was palpably appealing.
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NYONG'O: In the comic book,
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the role of the Dora Milaje is quite akin
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to kind of the motif
of pimps and hoes, unfortunately.
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They're very scantily clothed.
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They only speak to their king.
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And that was something
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that Ryan really wanted to get away from,
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and give the Dora Milaje agency.
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CARTER: They were not in heels,
they were not in bathing suit tops,
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and some of the comics
do present them in that way.
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GURIRA: And so, there's an evolution
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of how they are in the comic book
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and how they've evolved on the screen.
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SARAH TRULY BEERS:
This is how it should be
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when you're in an equal society,
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{\an8}where the women are equal to the men.
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(ALL GRUNTING)
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(WOMAN SCREAMS)
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CARTER: Dora Milaje means
"the adorned ones."
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Okoye is the general
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and she's the only Dora Milaje
adorned in gold.
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The other Dora wear silver.
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And so, Okoye represents
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great power and strength of women,
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and the dedication
to her country, Wakanda.
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{\an8}(SPEAKING XHOSA)
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GURIRA: Okoye is comfortable
with being a leader in a man's world.
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{\an8}She believes with all her soul
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{\an8}in this nation, Wakanda,
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and would very willingly
give her life for it.
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Wakanda was not colonized.
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It was able to nurture itself
and, as a result,
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became the most technologically
advanced nation on the planet.
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So that made it very easy
to slip into her skin...
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Something's entered the atmosphere.
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...because the idea of protecting that
really makes sense to me.
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I'm very vigilant about making sure,
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I guess, that my life is being led by me.
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GURIRA: I was born in a tiny town in Iowa
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called Grinnell where
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My parents, they were academics
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and they gave me and my siblings
all Shona names,
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Shona being the language
of my nation, Zimbabwe.
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Danai means "to love one another,"
or "to be in love,"
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based on the fact
that I was born on Valentine's Day.
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I didn't know about this
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until my mom sat me down and told me.
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I just knew my name to be Dede
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because no one could
pronounce Danai properly.
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(GROWLS)
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And as a kid, you're just looking
to fit in as best as possible.
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When I was around five or six,
we moved to Zimbabwe,
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very soon after it had
just come out from colonial rule,
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and moved from being called "Rhodesia,"
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after a white man
called Cecil John Rhodes,
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to being called "Zimbabwe,"
which means "house of stone."
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(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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I was in schooling systems
that were not prone to saying
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a lot of Shona names.
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(BELL DINGING)
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When I was in high school,
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I went to a place called
the Dominican Convent.
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It's an all-girls Catholic school
founded by German nuns.
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And one day, I just went off
on a lot of white girls in the class
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about not saying African names right,
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and I started to use
my own name as an example.
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(GROWLS)
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And rage of the fact
that my name was not spoken properly,
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even in my own country,
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became real.
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And I think that really solidified for me
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that Danai is the name
I needed to be called by.
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It's a defining moment.
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I am loyal to that throne,
no matter who sits upon it!
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What are you loyal to?
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NYONG'O: Okoye is steeped
in her loyalty to the throne.
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{\an8}She is, like, made of that stuff.
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{\an8}(STUTTERS) All her DNA is about that job.
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She's a nationalist.
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She believes in the borders of Wakanda,
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in them being independent of the world.
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And Nakia challenges that ideal.
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OKOYE: This man is
a foreign intelligence operative.
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How do we justify
bringing him into our borders?
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He took a bullet for me.
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That was his choice.
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But what I love about
the relationship between Nakia and Okoye
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is that the respect is always felt.
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These women respect each other
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for being very good at their approach,
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and their goal is the same,
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which is to protect and prosper
their nation and their people.
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I am a spy with no army.
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Help me overthrow him.
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KASUMBA: Nakia is a very free spirit,
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{\an8}doesn't always go by the book.
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{\an8}(CHUCKLES)
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{\an8}She is skilled like the Doras,
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but she has something which is great,
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because she says,
"I want to help everyone."
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- NAKIA: T'Challa, no!
- (GRUNTS)
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This one's just a boy.
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MOORE: We meet Nakia in action.
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Immediately, you're drawn
to her, her physicality,
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{\an8}but it's also the compassion in her eyes.
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Traditionally, spies are untrustworthy,
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people who look out
for their own self-interest,
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but she is incredibly altruistic.
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Thank you.
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Yes.
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MOORE: And in some ways,
she is the conscience of Wakanda.
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I've seen too many in need
just to turn a blind eye.
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I can't be happy here
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knowing that there's people out there
who have nothing.
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Nakia is very much a part of innovation,
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a part of how do we change,
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how do we modernize,
how do we move forward,
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how do we break rules
that need to be broken?
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We could provide aid
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and access to technology
and refuge to those who need it.
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Other countries do it.
We could do it better.
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NYONG'O: Nakia is very passionate,
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fiery, empathetic, the lone wolf.
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She goes on her own path.
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She challenges the status-quo,
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and I love that about her,
and I definitely share that.
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The child version of Lupita
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was very imaginative.
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Growing up in Kenya,
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I played a lot on my own.
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I liked to climb trees
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and I spent a lot of time
making up worlds.
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And I realized
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I just enjoyed the worlds I made up
more than the real world.
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I remember when I was in high school,
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there was a rule that we weren't allowed
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to dye our hair blond or red.
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So I dyed it blue.
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(LAUGHING)
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So I identify with that spirit in Nakia,
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the one who asks,
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"Okay, why are things the way they are?"
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When I was introduced to Wakanda,
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I felt immediately protective of it.
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Because it's made of dreams.
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Because Wakanda is the only African nation
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that has never had
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the imposition of colonialism.
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It has been able to self-actualize.
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For me, what we've imbued in it
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is a nostalgia that never was.
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And you see a country
that is very forward-thinking,
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but one that is also
very embracing of tradition.
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And growing up as an African,
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I found myself grappling
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with this idea of tradition and modernity.
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It's a real dichotomy
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that exists on the African continent.
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There's an old world
and then there's an accelerated world
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that has almost forgotten,
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or is rejecting, that old world.
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And in Wakanda,
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this tension exists
with the Shuri character
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who finds herself
in that extreme corner of innovation
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where she is really questioning
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the validity of the traditional ways.
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- My King! (CHUCKLES)
- Stop it.
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SHURI: This corset
is really uncomfortable,
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so could we all
just wrap it up and go home?
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Yes!
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MOORE: With tradition versus innovation,
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Shuri very much
over-indexes on innovation.
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But she's very self-assured
as a character,
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which a lot of women
and, and young girls respond to.
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Why do you have your toes out in my lab?
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I wanted to go old-school
for my first day.
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I bet the Elders loved that.
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(CHUCKLES)
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{\an8}Shuri is bold in her choices
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{\an8}about science and technology
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{\an8}and creation.
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She's always thinking
of solutions to help her country.
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I'm here for the EMP beads.
I've developed an update.
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Update? No, it worked perfectly.
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Just because something works
doesn't mean that it cannot be improved.
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BEERS: Shuri represents the future
in so many ways.
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{\an8}She has these hopes and dreams,
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{\an8}and she's also out there doing it.
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SHURI: The nanites absorb
the kinetic energy
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and hold it in place for redistribution.
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Shuri has this youthful exuberance
about STEM,
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science, technology, engineering and math,
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and how she uses STEM
to support the country.
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She is intelligent beyond her years.
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Look at your suit.
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You've been taking bullets,
charging it up with kinetic energy.
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WRIGHT: Yes, she's strong.
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I'm going as fast as I can!
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Yes, she can be powerful.
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(BOTH GRUNTING)
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Just because of her age,
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people can easily underestimate her.
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(GRUNTS)
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But she has this lack of limitation.
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There's no ceilings on Shuri.
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In its raw form,
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Vibranium is too dangerous
to be transported at that speed.
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BASSETT: Shuri's young, but she's gifted
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{\an8}and she's passionate
about being this science head, this geek.
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GURIRA: Shuri's just knocking down
all those stereotypes of, like,
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oh, if a girl's good at sciences,
she's not cool.
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Strike it.
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Not that hard, genius!
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{\an8}A lot of the technology
that Shuri is responsible for
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{\an8}is all about the evolution of tradition
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in a way that it is evolved in technology.
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SHURI: The entire suit sits
within the teeth of the necklace.
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{\an8}Everything comes from Shuri.
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When I play Ayo,
everything that protects me,
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the weapons that I use,
the Dora Milaje uniform,
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all starts in her lab.
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The first time that Ayo is introduced
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was in Captain America: Civil War.
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I remember when the movie came out,
and people came and said,
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"Are you the woman in the movie?"
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Move. Or you will be moved.
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And I said, like, "Yes,"
but I didn't really know what it meant.
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Now it's different.
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(CHUCKLES)
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SARAH HALLEY FINN: Florence is amazing.
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{\an8}She had gotten a very small part.
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{\an8}She had so much presence onscreen
in just a few lines
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that gave us the inspiration
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to then bring her into a bigger world
and a bigger role.
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Ayo, the king!
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(INDISTINCT SHOUTING)
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KASUMBA: Ayo is someone that,
when she grew up...
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(GRUNTS)
348
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...wanted to become a Dora Milaje.
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You have to make
a specific choice to join them.
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You don't get born into the sisterhood.
You have to work for it.
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But growing up myself,
352
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I wasn't used to seeing
women protecting men.
353
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And in Wakanda, that is just such a given.
354
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You can become everything
that you want to become.
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(GRUNTING)
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But this is a concept that is
very foreign to a lot of people
357
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because sometimes, if it's not there,
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you can't imagine it.
359
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I was born in Uganda,
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but grew up in Germany.
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Back then, we didn't have
that many Black actresses,
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00:19:06,938 --> 00:19:09,232
and I noticed after a certain age that
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I missed people that I could see
on the screen that look like me.
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00:19:15,739 --> 00:19:18,658
But then I went to the theater
and I saw people that looked like me
365
00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:20,452
and I thought, like,
"That's what I want to do."
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(PEOPLE APPLAUDING)
367
00:19:23,914 --> 00:19:25,999
So that's the reason
why I became a performer.
368
00:19:25,999 --> 00:19:28,084
(PEOPLE CHEERING, APPLAUDING)
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00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:33,089
I studied singing, acting and dancing.
370
00:19:34,090 --> 00:19:37,969
And at some point, I transitioned from
dancing, learning martial arts.
371
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My mom taught me from an early age
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that you have to stay who you are.
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It doesn't matter what people
try to tell you who you are.
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I wouldn't be here,
doing what I'm doing now,
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if she would have restricted me.
376
00:19:54,694 --> 00:19:56,696
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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00:19:58,281 --> 00:19:59,574
My mom was a nurse...
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(EKG BEEPING, FLATLINING)
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...and she worked in the emergency room,
380
00:20:04,955 --> 00:20:06,790
so she had to deal with death a lot.
381
00:20:08,625 --> 00:20:11,378
And from an early age on,
she would always talk about,
382
00:20:11,378 --> 00:20:13,046
"Today, somebody died at work."
383
00:20:14,005 --> 00:20:15,465
And because of that,
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it was always normal for us
that people go and that's okay.
385
00:20:20,595 --> 00:20:22,681
(SIREN WAILING)
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She taught me, "Instead of focusing
387
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"that the person isn't there anymore,
388
00:20:27,352 --> 00:20:29,980
"focus on what the person has achieved."
389
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And that is something I am so grateful
that she taught me
390
00:20:36,444 --> 00:20:40,282
because that is so in me
that I don't break.
391
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The minute somebody
gives you the freedom to do something
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and you notice how great you can become,
393
00:20:50,125 --> 00:20:52,460
you want to achieve more,
you want to give more.
394
00:20:55,463 --> 00:20:58,591
And this is just like Ayo.
395
00:20:58,591 --> 00:21:02,512
She can put herself aside,
doesn't need to be in the foreground,
396
00:21:02,512 --> 00:21:04,347
but when she has to lead a mission,
397
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she's able to go out and get the job done.
398
00:21:08,852 --> 00:21:12,647
Florence's character
and the Dora altogether
399
00:21:13,356 --> 00:21:15,108
are a beautiful metaphor
400
00:21:15,108 --> 00:21:17,986
for the women
behind the scenes on this film.
401
00:21:18,862 --> 00:21:19,904
It was amazing.
402
00:21:19,904 --> 00:21:21,448
I had never been on a set
403
00:21:21,448 --> 00:21:23,491
with more women in positions of power.
404
00:21:29,539 --> 00:21:30,790
Get back in the path
405
00:21:30,790 --> 00:21:33,460
like we did earlier this morning
for our first shot.
406
00:21:33,460 --> 00:21:34,627
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
407
00:21:34,627 --> 00:21:37,464
MOORE: The film is about
a lot of female characters
408
00:21:37,464 --> 00:21:39,716
{\an8}and we would not have been doing
the film any favors
409
00:21:39,716 --> 00:21:41,634
{\an8}by not opening ourselves up to
410
00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:44,220
{\an8}very talented female crew members.
411
00:21:44,220 --> 00:21:46,014
There's no reason
for it to be a boy's club,
412
00:21:46,014 --> 00:21:48,183
and I think Black Panther
kind of proves that.
413
00:21:48,725 --> 00:21:51,061
FINN: The director,
Ryan Coogler, always had
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this vision of strong women
behind the scenes.
415
00:21:54,022 --> 00:21:57,984
We were telling a story for
a diverse world of men and women.
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And so, in order to do that, we need
all those voices at the table.
417
00:22:00,820 --> 00:22:03,782
WOMAN: Remember, no matter what,
block off when we call cut.
418
00:22:04,449 --> 00:22:07,410
CARTER: Ryan's compassion is infectious
419
00:22:07,410 --> 00:22:11,748
{\an8}and we want to rally around him
and support his ideas.
420
00:22:11,748 --> 00:22:14,542
{\an8}So, women tend to do that.
421
00:22:15,543 --> 00:22:17,003
{\an8}BEACHLER: We're like Ryan's Dora.
422
00:22:17,003 --> 00:22:19,297
{\an8}We're here to protect the vision.
423
00:22:19,297 --> 00:22:20,382
{\an8}(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
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00:22:20,382 --> 00:22:24,552
{\an8}It's quite empowering to have
a lot of women around you.
425
00:22:24,552 --> 00:22:27,055
There's a sense of nurturing of the story
426
00:22:27,055 --> 00:22:30,517
because we're able to give emotionally
in a lot of different ways.
427
00:22:30,517 --> 00:22:31,684
(PEOPLE LAUGHING)
428
00:22:31,684 --> 00:22:35,438
And I think that that just enhances
what you're seeing onscreen.
429
00:22:36,940 --> 00:22:39,359
COOGLER: Hannah Beachler
was kinda like our major workhorse
430
00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:40,777
in researching Wakanda.
431
00:22:41,194 --> 00:22:44,697
{\an8}You see it in the architecture
and the production design of, of the sets.
432
00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:51,121
WOMAN: And action!
433
00:22:51,704 --> 00:22:54,499
- Come home, Nakia.
- I'm right here.
434
00:22:54,499 --> 00:22:55,792
Stay.
435
00:22:55,792 --> 00:22:59,462
NYONG'O: The first few times I walked onto
the set of Black Panther,
436
00:22:59,462 --> 00:23:02,257
{\an8}I just remember getting goosebumps
437
00:23:02,757 --> 00:23:07,345
because it represented
what was so beautiful about Africa.
438
00:23:07,971 --> 00:23:10,056
Everything just seemed so purposeful.
439
00:23:11,057 --> 00:23:15,770
And I think that kind of detail is
what made this movie quite special.
440
00:23:17,605 --> 00:23:20,024
GURIRA: There are times that I'd come
on set and I'd be like,
441
00:23:20,024 --> 00:23:22,152
{\an8}"Oh, God. You don't understand.
This is gonna be amazing."
442
00:23:22,152 --> 00:23:24,320
{\an8}Like, you just see, like,
you know, Hannah's set.
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00:23:28,408 --> 00:23:30,535
BEACHLER: As the production designer,
444
00:23:30,535 --> 00:23:33,746
I wanted to bring a different light to
445
00:23:33,746 --> 00:23:36,332
{\an8}what had previously been called
the Dark Continent
446
00:23:36,332 --> 00:23:37,750
{\an8}for so many decades.
447
00:23:37,750 --> 00:23:39,961
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
448
00:23:41,212 --> 00:23:43,256
My father was an architect
449
00:23:43,256 --> 00:23:45,049
and taught me early on
450
00:23:45,049 --> 00:23:47,260
that you really need to
understand the land
451
00:23:47,260 --> 00:23:49,179
before you can put a building on it.
452
00:23:51,389 --> 00:23:54,434
So I applied that gem to Wakanda.
453
00:23:57,437 --> 00:23:59,481
We travelled to South Africa
454
00:24:01,065 --> 00:24:02,609
for research.
455
00:24:03,860 --> 00:24:07,697
We were pretty much all over
the Sentinel Mountains and Lesotho.
456
00:24:10,283 --> 00:24:12,327
Dug into the geography,
457
00:24:14,871 --> 00:24:16,581
the people, the traditions.
458
00:24:16,581 --> 00:24:18,625
(INDISTINCT SHOUTING)
459
00:24:19,542 --> 00:24:21,211
And that's where I became inspired by
460
00:24:21,211 --> 00:24:23,713
an idea of a society that's based in
461
00:24:23,713 --> 00:24:27,717
tradition, community,
family and ritual.
462
00:24:31,137 --> 00:24:34,807
I created this 500-page bible,
the "Wakandan Bible," as we call it.
463
00:24:39,437 --> 00:24:41,731
It tells us what their timeline is,
464
00:24:41,731 --> 00:24:43,900
from the Bronze Age to the current day,
465
00:24:44,776 --> 00:24:48,821
comparing Wakanda's evolution
with the rest of the world.
466
00:24:50,698 --> 00:24:54,369
A map of the country
and of their capital, Golden City,
467
00:24:54,911 --> 00:24:57,247
their traditions, religion.
468
00:24:57,247 --> 00:24:59,624
What was their trade?
What was their economy?
469
00:24:59,624 --> 00:25:00,708
What do they eat?
470
00:25:01,459 --> 00:25:03,086
What is their language?
471
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,755
(RITUAL MUSIC PLAYING)
472
00:25:05,755 --> 00:25:08,007
(SPEAKING XHOSA)
473
00:25:08,007 --> 00:25:09,467
Dora Milaje!
474
00:25:13,263 --> 00:25:16,224
{\an8}The language that they speak
in Wakanda is Xhosa,
475
00:25:16,224 --> 00:25:18,142
{\an8}which is a language of South Africa.
476
00:25:18,142 --> 00:25:20,478
{\an8}(SPEAKING IN XHOSA)
477
00:25:21,229 --> 00:25:22,897
I was born and raised in Johannesburg,
478
00:25:22,897 --> 00:25:25,149
so this film was really,
really important to me.
479
00:25:25,149 --> 00:25:27,527
I basically referred to it
as "my soul movie."
480
00:25:27,527 --> 00:25:28,820
(RITUAL MUSIC PLAYING)
481
00:25:29,946 --> 00:25:33,324
My friends in South Africa said,
when they started speaking Xhosa,
482
00:25:33,324 --> 00:25:35,285
there were gasps in the theater.
483
00:25:35,285 --> 00:25:37,912
People couldn't believe, like,
"Our language is on the screen,"
484
00:25:37,912 --> 00:25:41,666
and that meant something to people,
to, to, to feel, like, seen that way.
485
00:25:43,751 --> 00:25:45,461
I absolutely worshipped
486
00:25:45,461 --> 00:25:48,756
every single one of
the female characters in this film,
487
00:25:49,507 --> 00:25:52,885
and I looked at every single scene
in Black Panther from the perspective of
488
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"Is it being true to them?"
489
00:25:54,846 --> 00:25:56,097
And he goes there.
490
00:25:56,097 --> 00:25:59,434
BERMAN: And so I went to Ryan about
the ending scene
491
00:25:59,434 --> 00:26:03,187
where the Dora Milaje are
surrounded by the Border Tribe.
492
00:26:03,187 --> 00:26:05,106
As it was originally shot,
493
00:26:05,106 --> 00:26:07,859
the Jabari male warriors come
and rescue them.
494
00:26:08,735 --> 00:26:10,111
And I said, "I feel that undercuts
495
00:26:10,111 --> 00:26:12,989
"so much of what we spent
the entire film building up."
496
00:26:13,781 --> 00:26:17,243
And he agreed with me
and he worked miracles to
497
00:26:17,243 --> 00:26:20,204
create a new character called
the female Jabari warrior.
498
00:26:22,206 --> 00:26:24,584
And they went into additional photography,
499
00:26:24,584 --> 00:26:25,877
got a new shot,
500
00:26:25,877 --> 00:26:28,254
and now, the very first person to
501
00:26:28,254 --> 00:26:31,341
power through the force field
and save the Dora Milaje
502
00:26:33,509 --> 00:26:35,136
is a female Jabari warrior.
503
00:26:35,136 --> 00:26:37,388
- (MAN GRUNTS)
- (ROARS)
504
00:26:38,181 --> 00:26:40,183
And it served our ladies right.
505
00:26:40,183 --> 00:26:41,392
(BELLOWING)
506
00:26:41,392 --> 00:26:43,478
(WARRIORS GRUNTING)
507
00:26:49,609 --> 00:26:53,029
CARTER: The Indigenous tribes
of Wakanda were inspired by
508
00:26:53,029 --> 00:26:55,865
{\an8}several different real tribes of Africa.
509
00:26:55,865 --> 00:26:58,493
(DRUMS BEATING)
510
00:26:58,493 --> 00:27:00,286
As the costume designer,
511
00:27:00,286 --> 00:27:03,081
I approach my work from
512
00:27:03,081 --> 00:27:06,042
the point of view of
responsibility to the culture.
513
00:27:06,042 --> 00:27:07,585
(SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
514
00:27:07,585 --> 00:27:10,546
And people need to see that more in film.
515
00:27:10,546 --> 00:27:11,673
(SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE)
516
00:27:13,216 --> 00:27:16,969
{\an8}Ruth is just absolutely
bar none brilliant.
517
00:27:16,969 --> 00:27:21,099
I know so much more who I am as Ramonda
518
00:27:21,099 --> 00:27:23,851
when I put the costumes on.
519
00:27:23,851 --> 00:27:27,522
The jewelry, the headdress,
the embroidery.
520
00:27:28,189 --> 00:27:31,859
Ruth wanted to do it right, so she would
talk to people on the continent about
521
00:27:31,859 --> 00:27:33,903
the processes by which
they make their clothing...
522
00:27:33,903 --> 00:27:35,863
(DRUMS BEATING)
523
00:27:36,781 --> 00:27:40,118
...and integrate them into her costumes.
524
00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:47,250
Like the Dora Milaje with their arm rings,
525
00:27:47,250 --> 00:27:49,043
their neck rings that come from
526
00:27:49,043 --> 00:27:51,421
the Ndebele people of South Africa.
527
00:27:53,423 --> 00:27:56,968
The Lesotho blankets
that we made into shields.
528
00:27:57,593 --> 00:28:00,513
Those pieces retrained the eye
529
00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:03,474
to a new form of beauty and appreciation.
530
00:28:03,474 --> 00:28:05,184
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
531
00:28:06,686 --> 00:28:08,062
GURIRA: This movie got to celebrate
532
00:28:08,062 --> 00:28:10,440
a ton of different cultures
from across the continent.
533
00:28:11,816 --> 00:28:15,903
KASUMBA: The African country
and African women are so well represented.
534
00:28:16,446 --> 00:28:18,823
{\an8}They have tattoos and they have scars,
535
00:28:18,823 --> 00:28:21,451
{\an8}and they have lots of hair, braids,
536
00:28:22,118 --> 00:28:23,828
and even have no hair.
537
00:28:27,874 --> 00:28:31,461
GURIRA: For the Dora Milaje,
some of us didn't have hair, anyway,
538
00:28:31,461 --> 00:28:34,213
but it was really just this idea that
539
00:28:34,213 --> 00:28:37,300
{\an8}"What's your definition of femininity?
'Cause this is mine."
540
00:28:37,300 --> 00:28:39,051
{\an8}You know what I mean?
And I'm good with this.
541
00:28:39,051 --> 00:28:40,887
Bast willing, this will go quickly
542
00:28:40,887 --> 00:28:44,265
and I can get
this ridiculous thing off my head.
543
00:28:44,265 --> 00:28:47,769
The idea of "I don't wanna
wear hair on my head.
544
00:28:47,769 --> 00:28:48,978
"This is ridiculous."
545
00:28:48,978 --> 00:28:51,355
(GRUNTING)
546
00:28:52,148 --> 00:28:54,317
I found so much enjoyment in it
547
00:28:55,777 --> 00:28:58,237
and freedom in it, and power in it.
548
00:29:05,453 --> 00:29:08,164
And then we were deciding
what tattoo to put on.
549
00:29:09,665 --> 00:29:11,793
I had a lot of tattoos
on, on my head for about a week.
550
00:29:13,795 --> 00:29:17,131
And then it was like,
"Oh, my God. It's her fighter helmet.
551
00:29:17,131 --> 00:29:18,508
"Forget it. This is it."
552
00:29:19,509 --> 00:29:21,511
I want my tattoo. I want my bald head.
553
00:29:25,389 --> 00:29:27,558
CAMILLE FRIEND: It's a strong,
bold statement.
554
00:29:29,060 --> 00:29:31,145
{\an8}It's just,
it's power and strength in the look.
555
00:29:34,190 --> 00:29:35,399
FINN: With this film,
556
00:29:35,399 --> 00:29:38,528
we're able to see women
owning their power.
557
00:29:38,528 --> 00:29:40,780
Drop your weapon!
558
00:29:40,780 --> 00:29:42,573
{\an8}And I think that's very inspiring.
559
00:29:43,074 --> 00:29:44,951
Wakanda forever!
560
00:29:53,793 --> 00:29:57,129
We're excited because somebody
that looks like me is a superhero.
561
00:29:57,630 --> 00:30:01,092
I've never gone to a theater
to see a film like this before,
562
00:30:01,092 --> 00:30:03,970
so I just really needed to go all out.
563
00:30:03,970 --> 00:30:05,596
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
564
00:30:05,596 --> 00:30:06,848
(DRUMS BEATING)
565
00:30:07,348 --> 00:30:10,309
CARTER: You saw those people
in the movie theaters, like,
566
00:30:10,309 --> 00:30:11,811
celebrating and dancing.
567
00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:13,813
(SINGING)
568
00:30:15,690 --> 00:30:17,984
CARTER: People saw themselves onscreen.
569
00:30:18,985 --> 00:30:21,904
{\an8}People wanted to rejoice.
We were so ready for it.
570
00:30:23,823 --> 00:30:26,075
BERMAN: Hearing about
people feeling inspired,
571
00:30:26,075 --> 00:30:29,620
going to the theater and just seeing
every single viewing for hours and hours,
572
00:30:29,620 --> 00:30:30,997
it was just so magical.
573
00:30:30,997 --> 00:30:32,790
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
574
00:30:35,376 --> 00:30:39,422
{\an8}It touched me and made me feel
very purposeful as an actor.
575
00:30:41,340 --> 00:30:43,384
KASUMBA: Seeing what we made
was overwhelming
576
00:30:43,384 --> 00:30:45,928
because it connected people.
577
00:30:47,722 --> 00:30:50,516
We are coming from these
different places, but we're still one.
578
00:30:52,643 --> 00:30:55,396
ZOE SALDANA: Think about how impactful
that was, not just for us,
579
00:30:55,396 --> 00:30:59,108
people that belong to our
respective communities of color.
580
00:31:00,109 --> 00:31:02,528
{\an8}But even women that don't,
581
00:31:03,112 --> 00:31:06,115
{\an8}and never even realized
that something like that
582
00:31:06,115 --> 00:31:07,992
{\an8}had never been given to us.
583
00:31:07,992 --> 00:31:09,160
Yay! (LAUGHS)
584
00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:11,662
SALDANA: We were never told
that this could be possible.
585
00:31:11,662 --> 00:31:13,706
(PEOPLE LAUGHING FAINTLY)
586
00:31:13,706 --> 00:31:16,000
NYONG'O: Why do we need Black superheroes?
587
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,209
(INDISTINCT CHATTER)
588
00:31:17,335 --> 00:31:18,920
Why not?
589
00:31:19,670 --> 00:31:21,005
I mean, it's a no-brainer.
590
00:31:21,005 --> 00:31:22,882
There's Black people in this world
591
00:31:22,882 --> 00:31:24,926
and there's room in our imaginations
592
00:31:24,926 --> 00:31:26,886
to imagine ourselves as superheroes.
593
00:31:28,304 --> 00:31:31,098
{\an8}We don't even begin to know
594
00:31:31,098 --> 00:31:35,102
{\an8}the level of what these films
can do for children.
595
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,659
{\an8}My name is Vianna Robbins
and I'm 11 years old.
596
00:31:49,659 --> 00:31:52,954
{\an8}My name's Amel Robbins
and I am ten years old.
597
00:31:52,954 --> 00:31:54,246
My name is Darian Robbins.
598
00:31:55,498 --> 00:31:58,292
I'm an environmental
project engineer with NASA.
599
00:31:59,043 --> 00:32:02,964
{\an8}Being an engineer myself,
I was really impressed with Shuri.
600
00:32:02,964 --> 00:32:04,507
Yes!
601
00:32:04,507 --> 00:32:06,175
When you go into her lab
602
00:32:06,175 --> 00:32:08,761
and seeing all the stuff she's working on.
603
00:32:08,761 --> 00:32:12,139
Just the breadth of her knowledge,
I mean, that just blew my mind.
604
00:32:14,558 --> 00:32:17,353
The experience for my family,
and particularly my daughters,
605
00:32:17,353 --> 00:32:18,771
with seeing Black Panther,
606
00:32:18,771 --> 00:32:21,232
it was something that
they'd never seen before,
607
00:32:21,232 --> 00:32:23,317
you know, powerful representation
of, of women onscreen.
608
00:32:24,193 --> 00:32:26,195
What my daughters loved most
about the film,
609
00:32:26,195 --> 00:32:28,614
was the women taking control,
and being in command,
610
00:32:28,614 --> 00:32:30,616
and just doing adventurous stuff.
611
00:32:30,866 --> 00:32:31,867
AMEL: Daddy!
612
00:32:32,535 --> 00:32:33,411
(DARIAN CHUCKLES)
613
00:32:33,411 --> 00:32:35,204
- Okay.
- Are you sick?
614
00:32:36,163 --> 00:32:38,207
My girls are very adventurous themselves.
615
00:32:39,041 --> 00:32:40,376
They dance,
616
00:32:41,377 --> 00:32:42,837
do tae kwon do.
617
00:32:42,837 --> 00:32:43,963
{\an8}(BOTH GRUNT)
618
00:32:44,547 --> 00:32:45,756
They ride bikes.
619
00:32:45,756 --> 00:32:47,800
They have a zest for life.
620
00:32:47,800 --> 00:32:49,593
(CHEERING)
621
00:32:49,593 --> 00:32:50,678
High knees.
622
00:32:51,804 --> 00:32:52,805
Good.
623
00:32:52,805 --> 00:32:57,018
My favorite character
from Black Panther is Okoye.
624
00:33:00,062 --> 00:33:05,234
I like how Okoye fights for
whoever sits on the throne,
625
00:33:05,234 --> 00:33:06,861
no matter who sits on it.
626
00:33:07,862 --> 00:33:10,990
She's like a warrior whenever, wherever.
627
00:33:11,449 --> 00:33:12,366
(GRUNTS)
628
00:33:12,491 --> 00:33:14,785
And she'll get the job done.
629
00:33:15,786 --> 00:33:18,372
Y'all stick together like
the Dora Milaje, right?
630
00:33:20,124 --> 00:33:23,044
You'll come together like a family
to protect one another.
631
00:33:24,045 --> 00:33:25,546
That makes my heart full.
632
00:33:29,842 --> 00:33:34,889
I like when Shuri's in the lab
with the other woman,
633
00:33:34,889 --> 00:33:39,101
working on technology for Wakanda.
634
00:33:43,105 --> 00:33:45,941
My favorite character is Nakia.
635
00:33:48,194 --> 00:33:52,615
I like how she fights for
people outside of her country
636
00:33:52,615 --> 00:33:56,285
to help those who are struggling.
637
00:33:59,872 --> 00:34:02,792
I think it's also inspiring
to other people
638
00:34:02,792 --> 00:34:04,960
to see women superheroes
639
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:09,048
because they might not believe
they can do something.
640
00:34:09,590 --> 00:34:11,884
But they watch Black Panther
641
00:34:11,884 --> 00:34:15,096
and all of a sudden,
they believe they can do it.
642
00:34:16,597 --> 00:34:19,350
They start reaching for their goal.
643
00:34:24,021 --> 00:34:25,064
(GRUNTS)
644
00:34:26,774 --> 00:34:28,984
(BOTH GRUNTING)
645
00:34:28,984 --> 00:34:33,155
SALDANA: We're living in a time where
we're all recognizing
646
00:34:33,155 --> 00:34:36,200
that these stories need to be
told about women,
647
00:34:37,409 --> 00:34:39,495
a wonderful and rich universe...
648
00:34:39,495 --> 00:34:41,247
(SCREAMING)
649
00:34:41,247 --> 00:34:42,665
...filled with female heroes.
650
00:34:42,665 --> 00:34:43,958
(CROWD CHEERING)
651
00:34:44,542 --> 00:34:47,336
BEACHLER: But there's still
a lot of work to do.
652
00:34:48,337 --> 00:34:52,174
Even though people are always saying
after the Oscars,
653
00:34:52,174 --> 00:34:54,093
{\an8}"This isn't a game changer."
654
00:34:54,093 --> 00:34:55,302
(CROWD CHEERING)
655
00:34:55,302 --> 00:34:58,264
MALE ANNOUNCER: Ruth Carter
is the first African American woman
656
00:34:58,264 --> 00:35:01,100
to win an Oscar for Best Costume Design.
657
00:35:01,767 --> 00:35:04,061
And Hannah Beachler is
the first Black woman
658
00:35:04,061 --> 00:35:07,273
to be nominated and win
for Best Production Design.
659
00:35:10,109 --> 00:35:12,236
People said,
"Oh, you broke the glass ceiling."
660
00:35:15,614 --> 00:35:17,616
(GLASS BREAKING)
661
00:35:18,159 --> 00:35:20,327
But I'm not interested in
the glass ceiling.
662
00:35:21,662 --> 00:35:23,664
I'm interested in the brick wall.
663
00:35:25,374 --> 00:35:27,168
Because if I take down the brick wall,
664
00:35:28,002 --> 00:35:29,420
I bring down the building.
665
00:35:36,427 --> 00:35:38,137
So we can redesign it.
666
00:35:41,807 --> 00:35:43,559
And that's the only way to go forward.
667
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,360
{\an8}Black Panther was not just a movie.
668
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:54,445
{\an8}It changed lives.
669
00:35:54,445 --> 00:35:56,697
{\an8}It changed how people
thought about themselves.
670
00:35:56,697 --> 00:35:58,157
(PEOPLE LAUGHING)
671
00:35:58,157 --> 00:36:01,160
{\an8}Congresswoman Maxine Waters.
672
00:36:01,660 --> 00:36:04,413
(PEOPLE SHOUTING, CHEERING)
Wakanda forever!
673
00:36:06,540 --> 00:36:08,751
GURIRA: I had no anticipation
674
00:36:08,751 --> 00:36:12,713
of the impact that it would have
on people of the diaspora
675
00:36:12,713 --> 00:36:16,926
to just celebrate ourselves
and who we are, what our heritage is.
676
00:36:16,926 --> 00:36:19,011
(PEOPLE CHEERING)
677
00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:27,311
KASUMBA: It's important to be able
to recognize yourself.
678
00:36:27,311 --> 00:36:28,771
And with this movie,
679
00:36:28,771 --> 00:36:31,357
{\an8}a lot of people could watch it and think,
680
00:36:31,357 --> 00:36:35,110
{\an8}"Wow. People that look like me
are presented
681
00:36:35,110 --> 00:36:37,196
"and we can be superheroes, too."
682
00:36:39,949 --> 00:36:42,076
Wakanda forever!
683
00:36:42,076 --> 00:36:44,286
- (BOTH LAUGHING)
- (PEOPLE CHEERING)
684
00:36:44,286 --> 00:36:45,371
I love it.
685
00:36:45,371 --> 00:36:48,123
{\an8}The evolution that needs to come
has to come
686
00:36:48,123 --> 00:36:50,584
{\an8}from the understanding
that we have to step into
687
00:36:50,584 --> 00:36:52,378
{\an8}what we haven't seen before
688
00:36:52,378 --> 00:36:54,964
because a lot of the old models
are based in exclusion.
689
00:36:56,173 --> 00:36:58,342
And then in Wakanda Forever,
690
00:36:58,342 --> 00:37:01,345
we see the representation
of female characters
691
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,432
in so many more different ways.
692
00:37:06,517 --> 00:37:10,562
BASSETT: It's the continuation
of the strength of the female warrior.
693
00:37:11,563 --> 00:37:15,693
Her voice is strong and unsilent.
694
00:37:15,693 --> 00:37:20,239
RAMONDA: I am Queen of the most
powerful nation in the world!
695
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:22,157
{\an8}It's a beautiful thing to see.
696
00:37:25,035 --> 00:37:28,038
NYONG'O: Why are superheroes
so popular in this world?
697
00:37:28,956 --> 00:37:31,583
I think it's because they possess
698
00:37:31,583 --> 00:37:36,797
powers and perspectives that we aspire to.
699
00:37:38,757 --> 00:37:44,096
And everybody deserves to exist
in imaginative spaces.
700
00:38:05,409 --> 00:38:07,411
(MUSIC PLAYING)