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CAMERON: We released
Titanic 25 years ago.
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But despite all our
efforts to make the film
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as accurate as possible...
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There's one thing some
fans just can't accept.
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They insist Jack
could have survived if
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he climbed on that floating
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piece of debris with Rose.
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People even claim
to have proved it.
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Of course, Jack and Rose
were fictional characters.
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Nearly 1,500 real
people died that night,
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and my aim was to
honor their memory.
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DON: You know,
imagine all of these
people out there in the ocean.
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This is the crowd
that was floating at sea.
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CAMERON: But if we look at
Jack and Rose's plight as a
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reflection of real events, it
raises interesting questions.
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What actually
happened when Titanic sank?
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Would having more lifeboats
onboard have saved more lives?
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I think I probably
would cut faster if
my life depended on it.
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(rattling)
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To find the answers, I'm going
to revisit some relevant tests
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my team of experts
and I have conducted...
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MAN: Yes!
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CAMERON: Then,
for the first time,
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I'm going to recreate
Jack and Rose on the raft
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in a controlled
laboratory setting.
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JIM: So we're taking them
to clinical hypothermia.
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ROSE Jack!
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CAMERON: And one, two...
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Three...
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TRAVIS: I don't think he could
sustain this for very long.
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(gasps)
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CAMERON: We'll find out,
once and for all, whether Jack
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could have survived
the sinking of Titanic.
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Well, I think we've seen enough.
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(theme music playing)
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DON: Jim Cameron's Titanic was
beyond anybody's expectations.
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We knew when we were working
on it, it was going to be epic.
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What a great setting for a
love story, this fantastic
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shipwreck that has fascinated
people for decades anyway,
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presented so vividly
and so accurately.
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CAMERON: To go back there is
to risk being pulled down into
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that icy water with them.
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So it's really a choice between
your lives and their lives.
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KEN: James Cameron brought
Titanic back to life as I have
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tried to do through my
entire life with my paintings
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and you can't put
enough value on that.
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BALLARD: I knew the
old lady in her grave,
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that's the Titanic I knew.
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Jim showed me this
beautiful young woman,
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we sailors tend to
think of ships as women.
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He showed me
that beautiful ship.
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I just loved it.
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PARKS: That movie used
Titanic as a stage to tell
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a teenage love story.
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It wasn't meant to be
a historical narrative,
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but it created a passion in
Jim to follow up that movie
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with actual expeditions to
the actual wreck and because of
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that continued interest that
goes way beyond a feature film,
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we have made discoveries
and learned things that have
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actually changed
the history and our
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understanding of Titanic.
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BROCK: Are you ready
to go back to Titanic?
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CAMERON: On April 14th, 1912
at 11:40 pm, the RMS Titanic
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struck an iceberg
during its maiden voyage
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from Southampton, England
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to New York City.
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Two hours and 40 minutes later,
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it sank to bottom
of the Atlantic Ocean.
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Of the more than 2,200
passengers and crew onboard,
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just over 700
survived that night.
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The wreck remained lost at sea
until 1985, when oceanographer
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Robert Ballard discovered
it while on a secret mission
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for the US Navy.
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His expedition changed
the way we explore the deep,
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and changed my life.
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Bob and I recently
met at the Ronald Reagan
Presidential Library to take
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a look at their
exhibit on Titanic.
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Everybody that dives Titanic
has their own story of seeing
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it for the first time.
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And probably the most
frequently asked question
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to me is, what was it like
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seeing the wreck
for the first time?
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BALLARD: I get asked
that, "What was it like?"
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CAMERON: And I
always wanna tell them the
story they want to hear...
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BALLARD: Right.
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CAMERON: Which was,
there she was and, you know,
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this beautiful, stately ruin...
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BALLARD: Yeah, right,
right, right, right.
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CAMERON: Coming
out of the darkness.
But that's not what happened.
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BALLARD: No.
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Oh, I remember when we,
this was where we came in,
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we landed here and...
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CAMERON: It's a cliff.
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BALLARD: The, you know,
the wall of China.
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I mean, it's just a wall.
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And the first thing I recognized
was the Anti-fouling paint.
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CAMERON: Yeah, the red.
BALLARD: It was pink.
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CAMERON: The red paint, right?
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And I said, "Too bad they
didn't paint the whole ship
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with that stuff."
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CAMERON: Yeah, and the
bilge keel was sitting on top
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of the sand, it
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BALLARD: Exactly, it
was right, right there.
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And then the pilot,
he said, "We got to go."
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CAMERON: Yeah.
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BALLARD: So he
dropped his weights and
then we began our ascent.
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But then these eyes.
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CAMERON: Yeah, which is
your lights kicking back.
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BALLARD: Your lights,
all the eyes of the,
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like the people in,
were looking at us.
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CAMERON: Did you get spooked?
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BALLARD: It was spooky, yeah.
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Because we were
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There was no, we couldn't stop,
you dropped all your weights.
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And it was just all these
eyes and then we cleared it.
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It was amazing.
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CAMERON: That's pretty
much what it looked like to me
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the first time except we
were down here someplace.
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And we came in on
her, right about here.
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BALLARD: Yeah.
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CAMERON: And we had come
across this bermed-up mud...
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BALLARD: Yeah, yeah.
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CAMERON: He came up
and we just cleared here.
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BALLARD: Yeah, all right.
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CAMERON: And then we
wound up sitting up here.
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BALLARD: Yeah.
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CAMERON: But there's also
nothing cooler than coming up
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on her from the,
from the, from the...
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BALLARD: Yeah. Yeah,
that was our second dive.
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CAMERON: Right. And
that's the money shot.
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BALLARD: And that's
the money shot looking up.
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CAMERON: We did it for
fake in the movie and it's...
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BALLARD: You never...
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CAMERON: It's the transition
shot where it goes into 1912.
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BALLARD: Yeah, yeah.
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CAMERON: So we come past,
past old Rose's face.
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We come to that shot of
the stem, the vertical bow,
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and then we, we
transition into 1912.
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And we crane up over it
and we see the whole ship.
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MAN: Keep it coming.
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MAN 2: Uh, watch
your mate there, sir.
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MAN 3: Come one.
Come on get in a row.
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MAN 4: Watch your bag.
MAN 5: I'll give you a tour.
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CAMERON: If we're going to
seriously consider the question
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of whether Jack and Rose
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we need to look
at the hardships
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they endured that night.
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For starters, the shocking
way the ship broke apart.
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The film Titanic
depicted what we believed was
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an accurate portrayal
of the ship's last hours.
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We showed it sinking bow first,
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lifting the stern
high in the air before
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its massive weight
broke the vessel in two.
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Over the past 20 years,
I've been trying to figure out
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if we got that right.
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I've dived to the wreck
dozens of times and I brought
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in naval engineers
to analyze all the
complex variables at work.
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Now, I wanna take it to the
next level, doing an actual,
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real-world physical test of
the sinking that incorporates
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the new
information we've gathered.
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Will it sink the
way we portrayed it?
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I don't know.
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Our mission is to mirror
the physics at work as best
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we can, and see what happens.
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PARKS: There's a gazillion
theories floating around,
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there always have been.
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We wanna come up
with a credible theory.
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CAMERON: The whole
purpose of this investigation
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is to understand, does this
hang on or does it go away?
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And I've been talking
about the bow swinging down
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and breaking off for 20 years,
but I never had any proof.
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It's just outside of
science at this point.
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And I thought, we'll just
build a model and break it.
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I, I have no way of saying that
that is in fact what happened,
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but I'd like to be able to
rule it in as a possibility.
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'Cause then, I don't have
to remake the fricking film.
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We're gonna be doing practical
rigging with pyrotechnics, and
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sinking it in a tank.
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I immediately
thought of Gene Warren.
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I've known him forever,
and we've done a few projects
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together over the years.
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GENE: Let's think about what
would be the best way to help
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hold that up when this breaks.
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He wanted us to do a
disaster forensics on really
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what happened when Titanic sank.
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CHRISTOPHER:
Because water is water.
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Water doesn't
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Let's see what the bow does.
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Let's see what the stern does,
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and recreate what
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CAMERON: I've been wanting
to do this damn model test
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for a long time.
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I knew that trying to
incorporate all the lessons
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we'd learned about
the sinking into a single
model test wouldn't be easy.
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Well, that's not
what I believe happened.
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But I was about to find
out just how hard it would be.
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"You're not
following what I'm saying."
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CAMERON: Why did the
Titanic go down the way it did?
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The mystery of the
ship's sinking has
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puzzled me for decades.
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LOOKOUT: Iceberg right ahead!
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(smashing)
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(cracking)
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CAMERON: In the movie,
it breaks, and the stern falls
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back with a big wave, and
then the bow pulls it down,
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and then it's stern
stands up straight.
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And then the bow breaks off,
sinks straight down, and that
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stern's sittin' there
and it slowly goes down.
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It's a dramatic image,
and as accurate as I could
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make it at the time.
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But I've never
stopped trying to find out
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exactly what happened.
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PARKS: Over the years, our
little analysis team has used
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a wide variety of source
material in order to try and
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put together the pieces
of the puzzle that is
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the sinking of the Titanic.
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CAMERON: We know from
the wreck exactly where
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the steel broke.
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Right to the rivet.
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PARKS: Jim's exploration of
the bow section has fine-tuned
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our understanding of what was
going on during the flooding
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and during the
descent to the ocean floor.
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CAMERON: We got a mass that's
knocked aft, all the B deck
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forward-facing windows
broken, broken, broken.
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To me, that all adds up to a
very strong longitudinal flow
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over the ship.
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We see a consistent pattern
of the effects of an almost
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hurricane-like flow of water
from the front of the ship
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toward the back of the ship.
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That can only be
explained by the ship sinking
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vertically straight down.
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Big piece of the keel,
70 feet long two big frames
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of the double bottom, were found
way out in the debris field.
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They had been
ripped off the ship.
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By what?
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Well, they'd been ripped
off by the bow separating.
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PARKS: Bit by bit,
putting all these
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little data points together,
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we're essentially
able to reverse-engineer
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major key frames of the sinking.
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We engaged the
United States Navy to build
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two computer simulation
models of Titanic.
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One showed us how the
water progressed through
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the ship as it sank.
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The other measures
the stresses in a hull.
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And what it told us was,
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Titanic didn't need to rise
90 degrees out of the water.
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The model calculated
approximately 23 degrees
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before the peak stresses
were realized in the structure
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and she broke.
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But for a ship the size of
Titanic to sink, there's an
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unlimited number of variables
going on during the sinking.
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The computer simulation
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would bear some of that out, but
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too many variables to nail down
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exactly what would happened,
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so we got to try a
different dimension,
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and that's where the
physical model comes in.
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CAMERON: Hydrodynamically,
it's got to be pretty close to
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what the ship was, I think.
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It's a one-off model.
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It's not a 100% accurate
in some of its fine details,
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but it was accurate in
terms of the overall shape,
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which is all we really
need for a hydrodynamic study.
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PARKS: The biggest part
was having this model
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float and then sink,
like we learned from all of
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our research gathering.
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CAMERON: It's a known
length, right, 70 feet?
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PARKS: Yes.
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CAMERON: 70 feet
from the, from the break aft.
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PARKS: From the
break point here.
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We knew that the model was
gonna have to break, so we had
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to put in a mechanism that
would allow it to break at
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the point where our computer
simulation had indicated.
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CAMERON: And so this is
the hinge piece down here?
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GENE: Yeah, the
hinge is right here.
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CAMERON: No, that's not what
I'm calling the hinge piece.
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The hinge isn't here.
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The hinge is here.
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CHRISTOPHER: Jim, he'd
given us some direction.
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Um, we kind of
got it half-right,
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but he wanted the
hinge in a different place.
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CAMERON: It's what I
called a banana theory,
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which is as the
ship broke, that keel,
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the strongest part
of the ship held on.
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This falls back, and that's
there, and then it rips away.
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PARKS: Mm-hmm.
MAN: Exactly.
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CAMERON: That's
your hinge piece.
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And as it ripped away, it formed
almost like a third piece.
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It's the keel, it goes...
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(grunts)
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Like that.
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No, it doesn't take off
yet necessarily, necessarily.
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That's what we
wanna understand.
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GENE: Understand.
PARKS: Right.
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CAMERON: It's a kind
of a proof of concept.
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We can never prove
what actually happened.
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We can only prove
what might have happened.
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The hydrodynamic forces
on this were enough to snap
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the mast aft, blow
the wheelhouse off.
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PARKS: Jim came in and looked
at it, and what he did not see
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is the water flow
that accounts for a lot of
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the damage that
we've seen at the wreck.
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So he's directed some changes
so that we can truly remove
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any latent
buoyancy left in the bow.
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We didn't have all the
interior walls and everything
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that would have slowed
down the rate of flooding.
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So, we used a combination
of sponges and foam, foam to
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provide buoyancy, sponges to
provide a delaying factor in
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how quickly a space will fill
up with water once flooding.
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CAMERON: It' all very
catastrophic right in here
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and very fast, which
is the equivalent of this
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wicking the water in rapidly.
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PARKS: Each successive run
was basically a fine-tuning of
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the model to where we
would see it perform the way
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that we knew it had to.
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CAMERON: Haven't we
sunk this damn ship yet?
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CHRISTOPHER: Believe it or not,
we're doing actually exactly,
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we're doing the banana peel.
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CAMERON: Okay. Well,
let's see what we got.
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That thing's buoyant,
so that's no good.
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It needs to be negative.
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PARKS: Then we came
up with another problem;
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when the ship breaks,
it loses buoyancy.
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Our buoyancy was foam.
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We couldn't just make it
disappear when it broke.
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So we had to come up with a
method to have the foam work
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its own way out of the hull to
simulate the loss of buoyancy
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after the break.
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If they tried to adjust
flotation in this so that
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the break happened where
it's always been filmed,
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it's too high out of the water.
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CAMERON: Oh, yeah.
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Yeah, yeah, we
definitely got that wrong.
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CHRISTOPHER: At that point,
it became a team effort.
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CAMERON: I would
drill up this area, right?
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GENE: Yeah.
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CAMERON: This should all be
packed with sponge up in here.
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CHRISTOPHER: He jumped
in with us like we were at
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Roger Corman days, like
he was in his 20s again.
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CAMERON: So, we'll probably
have to cut these up, right?
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There we were, back rigging
stuff together, and doing tape
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and soldering and all
the things that you do.
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That wasn't setting
the way back machine for
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20 years ago on Titanic.
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That was setting it back
to the early '80s for me.
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CHRISTOPHER: You've
done this before.
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CAMERON: A few times.
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(laughter)
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CAMERON: I'm blown
my share of (bleep) up.
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We started to figure out
how to do it in a way that
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we fine-tune the breakup
by changing that timing.
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We could have the stern fall
back more, or fall back less,
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have the bow swing down
more or swing down less.
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When we did our
computer simulation,
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there was a moment where the
stresses on the ship exceeded
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the strength of the material.
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And that's when it
should have broken.
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And that happened when the
ship tilted to 23 degrees.
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So when we sank the ship at
23 degrees, it seemed to do
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everything that was observed.
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We said it
broke at 23 degrees.
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So, we were actually breaking
at around 25, 26 degrees,
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according to this crude test.
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But I mean I think, you know,
it's telling us something.
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We're homing in on this.
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And in fact, that was
even increased when it broke,
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the stern kind of
popped up a little bit and
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you could kind of see the break.
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And the bow swung down and
detached and fell vertically.
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So we feel pretty comfortable
that it, that it was somewhere
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between maybe 20
and 30 degrees of
tilt when it broke.
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MAN: All right, here we go.
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CAMERON: Let's
do it, let's roll.
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All right, so props are clear.
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And it breaks right
at the water line.
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PARKS: Oh, that's sweet.
CAMERON: Comes up a little bit.
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PARKS: Sweet.
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CAMERON: Swings down,
pulls the stern more vertical.
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That's the banana model.
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Check that out! Touchdown!
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PARKS: We did see some
scenarios played out almost
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exactly as it was filmed.
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The stern going
under vertically,
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giving Jack and
Rose their few moments,
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right there at the fan tail.
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CAMERON: As the stern
came up, and went vertical,
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it always turned
almost 90 degrees.
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And that's
exactly what people saw.
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Now people describe
it standing up like, uh,
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like a tower or like a
finger pointing at the sky and
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that's exactly what we saw.
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Yes! Vertical stern!
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Yes!
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It's not like we did a
battery of 100 runs with
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a very precision model.
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But I think it does show what
is possible to have happened.
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I think what we're seeing
is there's a range, right?
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You can get it to
where the stern falls back.
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But then it doesn't go
vertical when it goes under.
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We found out that you can have
the stern sink vertically and
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you can have the stern
fall back with a big splash,
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but you can't have both.
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So the film is wrong on
one point or the other.
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I tend to think it's wrong
on the fall back of the stern,
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because of what we see
at the bow of the wreck.
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There are about
five or six instances
of hydrodynamic effects,
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and there's only one
way that can happen.
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It swung down, and
it shot off like a bomb
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dropping straight down.
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So, I think we can rule in
the possibility of a vertical
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stern sinking, and I think
we can rule out the possibility
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of it both falling back
and then going vertical.
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We were sort of
half-right in the movie.
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PARKS: With each thing that
we try, each step that we take,
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I think we're
getting closer and closer to
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what actually did
happen that night.
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CAMERON: Okay,
let's do it again.
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That was perfect.
Let's do it again.
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(laughter)
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I'm constantly fascinated by
the engineering, the hardware,
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the forensics, and
I'll get very excited about
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00:17:02,897 --> 00:17:04,482
the ideas, you know.
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You always have to kind of
grab yourself by the scruff of
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your neck and remind yourself
what happened there was a real
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tragedy that happened to
real people, and it still
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resonates down through
time in this very powerful way.
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But sometimes you forget
that in the moment, but I try
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never to forget
it for very long.
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In our movie, Jack and Rose
were among the hundreds of
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passengers who plunged
into the freezing water.
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The safest place to
be was in a lifeboat...
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Which brings up
another controversy.
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If the ship had more lifeboats,
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could more
people have been saved?
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ROSE: Mr. Andrews, forgive me.
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I did the sum in my head,
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and with the number of lifeboats
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times the capacity
you mentioned, forgive me,
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but it seems there are not
enough for everyone aboard.
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THOMAS: About half, actually.
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CAMERON: Titanic carried
20 lifeboats, but they only
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managed to launch 18
in an hour and a half.
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Now we've all been told
that if the ship carried
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more boats, more lives
could have been saved.
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But would that really
have made a difference?
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Could the crew have launched
more boats in the time they had?
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I've wondered about
this for a long time,
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and we never
tested it until now.
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PARKS: So what we did was
we took a replica lifeboat
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left over from
the movie with a set
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of davits mounted on top
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a platform that was tall
enough to represent the height
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of the promenade deck,
boat deck being up on top.
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Got a crew to man and lower
the lifeboat so that we could
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see how long it took.
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We figured that it would
take about two minutes to roll
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the canvas back
on these lifeboats.
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TITANIC OFFICER:
Roll back that cover!
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Roll back that cover!
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PARKS: So we preset
our clock to 2:00 minutes.
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CAMERON: Okay,
so the ropes are in,
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and you guys know
what to do, right,
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to get them flaked
out on the deck?
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MAN: Mm-hmm.
MAN 2: Yes.
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CAMERON: You gonna do that
sort of there and there so
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we need to stay out of this.
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MAN: No, we, we can
put it right there.
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CAMERON: Well, put it
where you would have done it
if you were really on the ship.
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MAN: Okay.
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CAMERON: And if we're in
your way, then move us out of
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the way because
we're curious passengers,
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and you're having to yell
at us to get out of the way.
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Politely of course
because we're also, you know,
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rich passengers in the
first class area of Titanic.
480
00:19:13,569 --> 00:19:14,987
MAN: And it's noisy.
481
00:19:14,987 --> 00:19:18,532
CAMERON: So, when we say go,
ready the boat and then
482
00:19:18,532 --> 00:19:20,117
tell us when it's ready, okay?
483
00:19:20,117 --> 00:19:22,703
MAN: Yeah.
MAN 2: Bring lines on deck.
484
00:19:22,703 --> 00:19:24,747
PARKS: Clock is running.
485
00:19:38,719 --> 00:19:41,055
MAN: Remove cradle.
486
00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:45,017
Swing boat out.
487
00:19:47,561 --> 00:19:49,522
CAMERON: Yeah, you can
see how geared down it is
488
00:19:49,522 --> 00:19:50,815
on that lead screw.
489
00:19:50,815 --> 00:19:52,692
It takes a lot of
cranks to get that davit to
490
00:19:52,692 --> 00:19:55,111
move just a few feet.
491
00:19:55,111 --> 00:19:56,904
MAN: Keep it cleared,
keep cranking!
492
00:19:56,904 --> 00:19:58,698
PARKS: The other
thing you notice is,
493
00:19:58,698 --> 00:20:01,575
was the voice
commands by the officer
coordinating the two sides.
494
00:20:01,575 --> 00:20:03,411
And in the beginning
with that steam going off...
495
00:20:03,411 --> 00:20:04,829
(hissing)
496
00:20:04,829 --> 00:20:06,288
They're gonna
have trouble hearing.
497
00:20:06,288 --> 00:20:07,832
CAMERON: Somebody would
have to yell back and forth or
498
00:20:07,832 --> 00:20:10,209
somebody would just have to
see the other guys working and
499
00:20:10,209 --> 00:20:13,587
just imitate, because
they couldn't hear anything.
500
00:20:20,386 --> 00:20:22,430
MAN: Okay, good!
501
00:20:25,099 --> 00:20:26,726
Lower boat embarkation deck!
502
00:20:26,726 --> 00:20:28,769
DON: So, at what point
do they start loading it?
503
00:20:28,769 --> 00:20:30,521
PARKS: So they're going
to lower down to the edge
504
00:20:30,521 --> 00:20:31,689
of the boat deck.
505
00:20:31,689 --> 00:20:32,857
DON: 'Cause then
you just step into it.
506
00:20:32,857 --> 00:20:34,442
PARKS: Right.
You wanna step into it,
507
00:20:34,442 --> 00:20:36,318
you do not want them stepping
over it, if you can avoid it.
508
00:20:36,318 --> 00:20:37,903
DON: Right.
MAN: Hold it!
509
00:20:37,903 --> 00:20:39,113
Secure the boat!
510
00:20:39,113 --> 00:20:40,489
PARKS: Okay.
511
00:20:40,489 --> 00:20:41,907
CAMERON: All right,
stop the clock.
512
00:20:41,907 --> 00:20:43,033
PARKS: Eight minutes
and 30 seconds, wow.
513
00:20:43,033 --> 00:20:45,286
CAMERON: Eight minutes
and 30 seconds.
514
00:20:45,286 --> 00:20:47,329
Now we're just
gonna have to just
estimate the loading time.
515
00:20:47,329 --> 00:20:49,331
PARKS: The key here is, is
that you don't know how much
516
00:20:49,331 --> 00:20:52,042
time you have, you've
never practiced this.
517
00:20:52,042 --> 00:20:54,003
CAMERON: But just as a baseline,
let's get some values for how
518
00:20:54,003 --> 00:20:55,671
long it takes to
do each part of the operation.
519
00:20:55,671 --> 00:20:57,214
DON: Yeah, exactly.
520
00:20:57,214 --> 00:20:59,550
CAMERON: So, I think you're,
you're probably looking at a,
521
00:20:59,550 --> 00:21:01,552
a time that varied.
522
00:21:01,552 --> 00:21:04,430
Initially it
was probably slower,
as people were reticent,
523
00:21:04,430 --> 00:21:07,349
and then later as they got more
desperate, it probably sped up.
524
00:21:07,349 --> 00:21:08,476
Let's say ten minutes.
525
00:21:08,476 --> 00:21:09,351
DON: Okay.
CAMERON: Let's say ten minutes.
526
00:21:09,351 --> 00:21:10,519
PARKS: Yeah.
CAMERON: Okay.
527
00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:12,062
That put us up
to 18 and a half minutes.
528
00:21:12,062 --> 00:21:15,024
Now let's see how long it takes
us to lower it one deck level.
529
00:21:15,024 --> 00:21:16,317
PARKS: Ready?
And clock running.
530
00:21:16,317 --> 00:21:19,236
MAN: Ready! Okay, lower!
531
00:21:21,447 --> 00:21:23,699
DON: You're right, it did jerks
its way down and look at the...
532
00:21:23,699 --> 00:21:25,993
CAMERON: You can see how jerky
it is even now, not loaded.
533
00:21:26,911 --> 00:21:29,121
It would be like three times
that when it was fully loaded.
534
00:21:29,121 --> 00:21:31,165
That'd make it a
lot harder to lower.
535
00:21:37,796 --> 00:21:40,174
MAN: Okay, pull it. Okay.
536
00:21:40,174 --> 00:21:43,344
PARKS: Stopping the clock.
CAMERON: So what was that?
537
00:21:43,344 --> 00:21:44,386
PARKS: Just shy
of two minutes.
538
00:21:44,386 --> 00:21:45,638
CAMERON: Just
shy of two minutes.
539
00:21:45,638 --> 00:21:46,680
Okay, so that's
two minutes to go ten feet.
540
00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:47,932
PARKS: Mm-hmm.
541
00:21:47,932 --> 00:21:49,183
CAMERON: It's another
50 feet to the water,
542
00:21:49,183 --> 00:21:50,935
so we have to add
another ten minutes.
543
00:21:50,935 --> 00:21:53,646
So that's 30 minutes,
30 seconds.
544
00:21:53,646 --> 00:21:55,189
DON: And they were
working simultaneously.
545
00:21:55,189 --> 00:21:58,359
CAMERON: They were loading
passengers in while they were
546
00:21:58,359 --> 00:21:59,610
cranking out the next boat.
547
00:21:59,610 --> 00:22:00,861
DON: Right.
548
00:22:00,861 --> 00:22:02,571
CAMERON: Then our times
can telescope somewhat.
549
00:22:02,571 --> 00:22:05,699
When you start multiplying
it out, it should have taken
550
00:22:05,699 --> 00:22:07,076
more like two hours.
551
00:22:07,076 --> 00:22:09,203
From the time the lifeboats
were ordered launched,
552
00:22:09,203 --> 00:22:10,955
you had about an
hour and a half.
553
00:22:10,955 --> 00:22:14,124
PARKS: However they managed it,
they had just enough time
554
00:22:14,124 --> 00:22:15,376
to get those boats off.
555
00:22:15,376 --> 00:22:16,585
CAMERON: Not
quite enough time.
556
00:22:16,585 --> 00:22:18,045
DON: Yeah, not quite.
557
00:22:18,045 --> 00:22:19,463
CAMERON: The truth is the
last two boats, the last two
558
00:22:19,463 --> 00:22:21,590
collapsibles were
washed off the ship.
559
00:22:21,590 --> 00:22:23,676
They did not have time.
560
00:22:23,676 --> 00:22:25,803
It's actually pretty amazing
that they managed to launch
561
00:22:25,803 --> 00:22:27,721
as many as
lifeboats as they did.
562
00:22:27,721 --> 00:22:30,224
And what made it even more
challenging was in the final
563
00:22:30,224 --> 00:22:33,310
stages of Titanic sinking,
the lifeboats were being
564
00:22:33,310 --> 00:22:35,688
launched right on
top of each other.
565
00:22:35,688 --> 00:22:38,232
To avoid being crushed,
men were cutting the ropes
566
00:22:38,232 --> 00:22:41,193
connected to the
davits with pocket knives.
567
00:22:41,193 --> 00:22:43,988
I mean, I wanted to see for
myself how difficult that was.
568
00:22:45,072 --> 00:22:47,283
Well, let's raise up one
end of the boat in content.
569
00:22:47,283 --> 00:22:49,535
MAN 2: About one inch
out of the cradle!
570
00:22:49,535 --> 00:22:50,536
And then they want to
cut one of the ropes.
571
00:22:50,536 --> 00:22:51,787
MAN: Okay.
572
00:22:51,787 --> 00:22:52,538
CAMERON: No, I was
thinking more like a foot.
573
00:22:52,538 --> 00:22:53,539
MAN 2: One foot?
574
00:22:53,539 --> 00:22:55,541
CAMERON: Let's
do an action shot!
575
00:22:56,041 --> 00:22:58,419
Let's raise it up a foot guys.
576
00:22:59,712 --> 00:23:01,046
All right, so who's
gonna do the honors?
577
00:23:01,046 --> 00:23:02,339
MAN: What someone needs...
CAMERON: I'll do it.
578
00:23:02,339 --> 00:23:04,133
MAN: To go under the boat?
CAMERON: I'll do it.
579
00:23:04,592 --> 00:23:07,136
PARKS: Whatever happens,
Jim, we'll get it on film.
580
00:23:07,136 --> 00:23:09,263
CAMERON: Exactly!
PARKS: Let's go!
581
00:23:09,263 --> 00:23:10,389
Clock running.
582
00:23:10,389 --> 00:23:11,724
CAMERON: All right.
583
00:23:11,724 --> 00:23:14,393
Jeez, is this an actual knife?
584
00:23:14,393 --> 00:23:15,853
DON: It, it should have
been a really sharp knife.
585
00:23:15,853 --> 00:23:17,229
CAMERON: It's sharp!
586
00:23:17,229 --> 00:23:18,814
PARKS: But we do know
this type of knife was used.
587
00:23:18,814 --> 00:23:21,150
CAMERON: All right, I'm
gonna go with your expertise.
588
00:23:21,150 --> 00:23:24,403
I think I probably
would cut faster if
my life depended on it.
589
00:23:24,778 --> 00:23:25,821
(snaps)
590
00:23:25,821 --> 00:23:27,072
That's promising.
591
00:23:27,072 --> 00:23:29,825
DON: We're getting close.
CAMERON: Aw, jeez.
592
00:23:29,825 --> 00:23:31,702
Can you imagine like
50 people screaming?
593
00:23:31,702 --> 00:23:33,579
DON: Yeah.
CAMERON: Water coming up?
594
00:23:33,579 --> 00:23:35,497
DON: There's a boat coming
down on your head, don't forget.
595
00:23:35,497 --> 00:23:36,832
CAMERON: Yeah, that too.
596
00:23:36,832 --> 00:23:38,125
It's gonna get
dramatic here in a second.
597
00:23:38,125 --> 00:23:39,209
DON: I can hear it.
598
00:23:39,209 --> 00:23:40,794
(thuds)
599
00:23:40,794 --> 00:23:42,338
CAMERON: All right,
that's promising.
600
00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:44,632
(creaking)
601
00:23:44,632 --> 00:23:46,550
(grunts)
602
00:23:48,177 --> 00:23:49,845
Beauty!
603
00:23:49,845 --> 00:23:51,096
And we're free.
604
00:23:51,096 --> 00:23:52,264
DON: Yeah!
605
00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:53,557
CAMERON: So how
long did that take?
606
00:23:53,557 --> 00:23:54,850
MAN: 1:40.
607
00:23:54,850 --> 00:23:56,185
CAMERON: I would say
if my life depended on it,
608
00:23:56,185 --> 00:23:58,687
I could probably shave
about 30 seconds off that.
609
00:23:58,687 --> 00:24:01,023
And you go for a ride!
610
00:24:04,151 --> 00:24:05,819
I think if you had more
lifeboats on that ship,
611
00:24:05,819 --> 00:24:07,613
they would've just
gotten in the way and
612
00:24:07,613 --> 00:24:09,823
it might've cost
hundreds of lives.
613
00:24:10,824 --> 00:24:12,910
We've answered the
lifeboat question.
614
00:24:12,910 --> 00:24:15,537
Now it's time to
solve another controversy.
615
00:24:15,537 --> 00:24:19,124
Could both Rose and
Jack have survived?
616
00:24:19,124 --> 00:24:22,252
TRAVIS: I don't think he could
sustain this for very long.
617
00:24:26,757 --> 00:24:28,676
(screaming)
618
00:24:28,676 --> 00:24:31,720
CAMERON: When Titanic sank,
almost 1500 people went into
619
00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,473
the freezing Arctic water.
620
00:24:36,517 --> 00:24:38,602
Most were wearing lifebelts.
621
00:24:38,602 --> 00:24:41,939
But death came quickly,
not from drowning, but
622
00:24:41,939 --> 00:24:43,899
from the extreme cold.
623
00:24:43,899 --> 00:24:47,277
Floating in 28 degree water,
it doesn't take long for the
624
00:24:47,277 --> 00:24:48,946
body to start shutting down.
625
00:24:48,946 --> 00:24:50,364
JACK: Keep swimming.
626
00:24:50,364 --> 00:24:52,658
CAMERON: And eventually
you succumb to hypothermia.
627
00:24:52,658 --> 00:24:55,536
BOATMAN: Can anyone hear me?
628
00:24:55,994 --> 00:24:58,247
CAMERON: This is what took
the lives of the passengers who
629
00:24:58,247 --> 00:25:00,165
hadn't made it into lifeboats.
630
00:25:00,165 --> 00:25:02,668
BOATMAN: Is there
anyone alive out there?
631
00:25:02,918 --> 00:25:04,002
CAMERON: It's pretty
daunting when you see
632
00:25:04,002 --> 00:25:05,379
all the names all at once.
633
00:25:05,379 --> 00:25:07,172
DON: Exactly. I mean...
CAMERON: How many people?
634
00:25:07,172 --> 00:25:10,300
DON: In this? 1,496 people.
635
00:25:10,300 --> 00:25:12,970
You know, imagine all of these
people out there in the ocean.
636
00:25:12,970 --> 00:25:15,889
This is the crowd
that was floating at sea.
637
00:25:15,889 --> 00:25:19,018
(screaming)
638
00:25:19,018 --> 00:25:22,563
CAMERON: You know, you, you get
so into the forensics of it...
639
00:25:22,563 --> 00:25:24,064
DON: Yeah, yes.
640
00:25:24,064 --> 00:25:25,524
CAMERON: You know, and, uh,
studying the wreck and the
641
00:25:25,524 --> 00:25:27,735
breakup of the wreck and
discovering the artifacts and
642
00:25:27,735 --> 00:25:31,780
so on, you really
lose sight of the
human tragedy sometimes.
643
00:25:31,780 --> 00:25:34,199
I know, I know that that was
an epiphany for me when I was
644
00:25:34,199 --> 00:25:35,534
there at the
wreck the first time.
645
00:25:35,534 --> 00:25:36,618
DON: Mm-hmm.
646
00:25:36,618 --> 00:25:38,620
CAMERON: You know,
how that hit me.
647
00:25:38,620 --> 00:25:40,956
And I'd been studying
it for months, you know,
648
00:25:40,956 --> 00:25:43,250
but it wasn't, now
it wasn't at a remove,
649
00:25:43,250 --> 00:25:44,460
it wasn't a myth anymore.
650
00:25:44,460 --> 00:25:46,253
These were real people.
651
00:25:48,672 --> 00:25:51,467
For the movie, I wrote
that Rose gets onto a piece of
652
00:25:51,467 --> 00:25:54,344
wooden debris that's
too small and unstable
653
00:25:54,344 --> 00:25:56,597
to support them both.
654
00:25:56,597 --> 00:25:58,891
(screams)
655
00:26:00,267 --> 00:26:01,769
CAMERON: He's in love with her.
656
00:26:01,769 --> 00:26:04,646
He's looking at not clearly,
definitively enough buoyancy
657
00:26:04,646 --> 00:26:07,566
for them both to survive.
658
00:26:07,566 --> 00:26:10,611
Jack's survival might have
come at the price of her life.
659
00:26:10,611 --> 00:26:12,821
And that's all
going through his head.
660
00:26:15,115 --> 00:26:18,076
But ever since the movie
came out, people have insisted
661
00:26:18,076 --> 00:26:20,412
they both could have survived.
662
00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:21,914
ROSE: I'll never let go!
663
00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:23,749
CAMERON: Fans of the movie
have been going on endlessly
664
00:26:23,749 --> 00:26:25,751
about the fact that
Jack could've lived,
665
00:26:25,751 --> 00:26:27,669
he could've gotten on that door.
666
00:26:28,712 --> 00:26:31,215
So let's test it, let's
do some science, you know,
667
00:26:31,215 --> 00:26:32,883
let's see if he could've lived.
668
00:26:32,883 --> 00:26:36,720
We took two stunt people of the
same age, height, and weight as
669
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,348
Jack and Rose to the
New Zealand laboratory
670
00:26:39,348 --> 00:26:41,350
of Doctor Jim Cotter.
671
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:44,019
Jim and his team study
the effects of cold on
672
00:26:44,019 --> 00:26:45,479
the human body.
673
00:26:45,479 --> 00:26:48,524
We created an exact replica
of the raft in the movie,
674
00:26:48,524 --> 00:26:50,108
as much as we
could reproduce it,
675
00:26:50,108 --> 00:26:52,945
and we carefully trimmed
it to the same free board,
676
00:26:52,945 --> 00:26:55,614
the same degree of buoyancy
that we see in the film,
677
00:26:55,614 --> 00:26:58,200
and then we started
playing around with like
678
00:26:58,200 --> 00:27:00,285
how could he have
gotten out of that situation
679
00:27:00,285 --> 00:27:03,038
without compromising her safety.
680
00:27:03,038 --> 00:27:04,832
Here we go.
681
00:27:04,832 --> 00:27:08,043
There's a genuine element of
danger to these experiments.
682
00:27:08,043 --> 00:27:09,628
All right.
683
00:27:10,003 --> 00:27:12,297
JIM: So we're taking
them to clinical hypothermia.
684
00:27:12,297 --> 00:27:13,632
CAMERON: When you're
talking about hypothermia
685
00:27:13,632 --> 00:27:15,175
you're talking about
it clinically, meaning that
686
00:27:15,175 --> 00:27:17,719
the core, the internal organs,
the heart and everything are
687
00:27:17,719 --> 00:27:19,888
starting to get affected
by the ambient temperature.
688
00:27:19,888 --> 00:27:21,390
JIM: Yeah.
689
00:27:21,390 --> 00:27:23,392
CAMERON: Hypothermia sets in
when the body's core temperature
690
00:27:23,392 --> 00:27:26,311
drops to 95 degrees Fahrenheit.
691
00:27:26,311 --> 00:27:29,648
As you cool, you lose blood
flow to your extremities...
692
00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:31,984
And then your organs
begin to shut down.
693
00:27:31,984 --> 00:27:34,820
JIM: We're basically
seeing how long it takes Jack
694
00:27:34,820 --> 00:27:37,281
to cool down to 95.
695
00:27:37,281 --> 00:27:39,449
We're not gonna let
him go more than 95,
696
00:27:39,449 --> 00:27:41,368
it's clinically hypothermic,
697
00:27:41,368 --> 00:27:43,996
we shouldn't
take him colder than that.
698
00:27:43,996 --> 00:27:45,706
CAMERON: Our Jack and
Rose have been fitted with
699
00:27:45,706 --> 00:27:47,624
three internal thermometers,
700
00:27:47,624 --> 00:27:50,586
one in the lowest part
of the digestive tract,
701
00:27:50,586 --> 00:27:53,005
one that travels
through the intestine,
702
00:27:53,005 --> 00:27:54,214
and one that sits in the
703
00:27:54,214 --> 00:27:56,800
esophagus next to the heart.
704
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,012
TRAVIS: Jack,
right now reading 98.6,
705
00:28:00,012 --> 00:28:01,805
baseline core
temperature pretty good.
706
00:28:01,805 --> 00:28:05,642
Rose is just over 98.6.
707
00:28:08,228 --> 00:28:10,105
CAMERON: The pool's water
temperature can't go below
708
00:28:10,105 --> 00:28:12,149
50 degrees Fahrenheit.
709
00:28:12,149 --> 00:28:15,611
So we're running each test
twice as long, to approximate
710
00:28:15,611 --> 00:28:19,364
the effects of
28 degree Arctic water.
711
00:28:19,364 --> 00:28:21,950
LOWE: Is there
anyone alive out there?
712
00:28:21,950 --> 00:28:24,161
CAMERON: Fifth officer Lowe
testified that it was almost
713
00:28:24,161 --> 00:28:26,204
two hours before
he could row back to
714
00:28:26,204 --> 00:28:28,457
rescue people in the water.
715
00:28:28,457 --> 00:28:32,002
In the movie, Rose
is still barely alive,
716
00:28:32,002 --> 00:28:34,212
but Jack has died.
717
00:28:34,212 --> 00:28:35,839
ROSE: Jack...
718
00:28:35,839 --> 00:28:38,800
CAMERON: So our
first experiment
will be a baseline test
719
00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,011
to see what would
have really happened to them.
720
00:28:41,011 --> 00:28:42,471
JOSH: Whoo!
721
00:28:42,471 --> 00:28:43,931
CAMERON: Okay, all right,
now so, come around here...
722
00:28:43,931 --> 00:28:46,224
We put them in the same
position he was in the movie,
723
00:28:46,224 --> 00:28:50,145
put her in the same position
she was in the movie, and saw
724
00:28:50,145 --> 00:28:53,106
how rapidly his core
temperature dropped.
725
00:28:53,482 --> 00:28:56,360
JIM: So you're already
shivering pretty intensely.
726
00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,362
That's, that's pretty early.
727
00:28:58,362 --> 00:29:01,865
CAMERON: Our Jack is losing
heat even faster than expected.
728
00:29:01,865 --> 00:29:05,160
Rose's core temperature is
dropping much more slowly.
729
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,704
JIM: So you were
underwater at the start.
730
00:29:07,704 --> 00:29:08,872
KRISTINE: No I
don't feel too wet.
731
00:29:08,872 --> 00:29:11,249
I think this coat is
doing a really good job.
732
00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:12,960
JIM: Yeah.
733
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:14,252
KRISTINE: It's made
out of wool and that's
keeping me quite warm.
734
00:29:14,252 --> 00:29:16,046
Plus the lifejacket as well,
735
00:29:16,046 --> 00:29:17,714
so I feel quite
warm around my core.
736
00:29:17,714 --> 00:29:20,550
JIM: You've got three
big benefits over Jack.
737
00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:21,927
KRISTINE: Yes.
738
00:29:21,927 --> 00:29:24,471
CAMERON: After only
20 minutes in Titanic time,
739
00:29:24,471 --> 00:29:26,556
Jack is clinically
hypothermic and has
740
00:29:26,556 --> 00:29:28,684
to be taken out of the water.
741
00:29:28,684 --> 00:29:32,145
JIM: In 28 degree water
it can be pretty quick.
742
00:29:32,145 --> 00:29:35,315
People will lose consciousness
and their heart will cease to
743
00:29:35,315 --> 00:29:38,610
function adequately
and pump adequately.
744
00:29:38,610 --> 00:29:40,320
CAMERON: And it was
pretty steep curve and
745
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:42,197
it was a very clear curve.
746
00:29:42,197 --> 00:29:44,074
He was losing heat fast.
747
00:29:44,074 --> 00:29:45,450
Dropping down.
He wouldn't have made it.
748
00:29:45,450 --> 00:29:47,452
The movie was correct.
749
00:29:47,452 --> 00:29:50,163
Jack could not have survived
as it was played in the film.
750
00:29:50,163 --> 00:29:51,915
(shivering)
751
00:29:51,915 --> 00:29:54,418
CAMERON: But what
if Jack and Rose had
tried something different?
752
00:29:54,418 --> 00:29:57,254
With our modern
understanding of hypothermia,
753
00:29:57,254 --> 00:29:59,548
could we save them both?
754
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,469
CAMERON: He clearly made a
decision to sacrifice himself
755
00:30:04,469 --> 00:30:06,680
so she could have all
the buoyancy for herself.
756
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,306
But what if they split it?
757
00:30:08,306 --> 00:30:10,851
So we'll start with you
in that initial position.
758
00:30:10,851 --> 00:30:13,979
The object is to get your
head and shoulders over a bit
759
00:30:13,979 --> 00:30:16,732
toward the far side, 'cause
the idea is if you can get
760
00:30:16,732 --> 00:30:21,028
your core up out of the water,
then you'll be better off.
761
00:30:21,028 --> 00:30:23,363
KRISTINE: Okay, I'm on.
762
00:30:24,072 --> 00:30:25,574
Yep.
763
00:30:25,574 --> 00:30:27,409
CAMERON: So, ease up on it,
just use your weight, yep...
764
00:30:27,409 --> 00:30:30,370
So the next test is let's
look at, what, what if they
765
00:30:30,370 --> 00:30:32,205
just did the natural next thing.
766
00:30:32,205 --> 00:30:34,791
Try to solve this problem
without tipping the raft...
767
00:30:34,791 --> 00:30:35,959
KRISTINE: Okay.
JOSH: So, you go up first.
768
00:30:35,959 --> 00:30:37,794
KRISTINE: Okay.
769
00:30:39,004 --> 00:30:41,173
Okay, you try to
shift and a little over.
770
00:30:41,506 --> 00:30:43,675
CAMERON: Okay, shift
around to the end so
771
00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:45,510
you're coming in on the end.
772
00:30:46,511 --> 00:30:48,555
Find your balance.
773
00:30:48,555 --> 00:30:50,515
All right.
774
00:30:51,767 --> 00:30:53,518
KRISTINE: All right?
775
00:30:53,518 --> 00:30:54,853
CAMERON: Pretty unstable...
776
00:30:54,853 --> 00:30:56,271
All right!
777
00:30:56,271 --> 00:30:58,482
(laughter)
778
00:30:58,482 --> 00:31:01,359
JIM: It doesn't look
like it's a roaring success.
779
00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:03,779
CAMERON: He says, "All right,
I'm just gonna try that again
780
00:31:03,779 --> 00:31:05,906
a little slower and
I'm gonna creep up."
781
00:31:05,906 --> 00:31:08,658
So he just creeps up and he
gets his upper body kinda as
782
00:31:08,658 --> 00:31:11,244
much out of the
water as possible.
783
00:31:12,621 --> 00:31:13,747
Feels pretty stable, huh?
784
00:31:13,747 --> 00:31:15,123
JOSH:
Stability-wise, it's fine.
785
00:31:15,123 --> 00:31:17,793
CAMERON: So if a swell
came along, kind of bounced you
786
00:31:17,793 --> 00:31:19,252
a little bit,
you're okay, right?
787
00:31:19,252 --> 00:31:20,629
KRISTINE: Yeah.
788
00:31:20,629 --> 00:31:22,130
CAMERON: Jack and Rose
are able to get on the raft,
789
00:31:22,130 --> 00:31:25,092
but now they're both
submerged in dangerous levels
790
00:31:25,092 --> 00:31:26,843
of freezing water.
791
00:31:26,843 --> 00:31:30,013
We started with her
putting her arm around him...
792
00:31:30,013 --> 00:31:31,807
Um, go for it.
793
00:31:31,807 --> 00:31:34,518
Go for it, as long as you feel
that you're stable on the raft.
794
00:31:34,518 --> 00:31:36,770
But it actually pushed
him down and his chest was
795
00:31:36,770 --> 00:31:39,147
awash in the water and
he was losing a lot of heat
796
00:31:39,147 --> 00:31:40,649
through the front.
797
00:31:40,649 --> 00:31:44,027
TRAVIS: He is still cooling down
quite a bit more than Rose.
798
00:31:44,027 --> 00:31:46,404
CAMERON: What if Jack
put his arm around her?
799
00:31:46,404 --> 00:31:49,658
Lifted his chest up
and put her more at risk.
800
00:31:49,658 --> 00:31:50,742
KRISTINE: Oh
yeah, I feel cold!
801
00:31:50,742 --> 00:31:52,536
(laughter)
802
00:31:52,536 --> 00:31:54,037
CAMERON: If you think
about it from character,
803
00:31:54,037 --> 00:31:57,958
he would have wanted to
protect her as much as possible.
804
00:31:57,958 --> 00:32:00,502
How's Jack's core
temperature doing?
805
00:32:00,502 --> 00:32:02,003
TRAVIS: Steadily dropping.
CAMERON: Mm-hmm.
806
00:32:02,003 --> 00:32:04,714
TRAVIS: Slower than yesterday
when he was more immersed,
807
00:32:04,714 --> 00:32:06,508
but he's still creeping down.
808
00:32:06,508 --> 00:32:08,009
CAMERON: Okay.
809
00:32:08,009 --> 00:32:10,303
That's, that's yesterday,
that's today, right?
810
00:32:10,303 --> 00:32:12,180
He's going down continuously...
811
00:32:12,180 --> 00:32:14,558
TRAVIS: Mm-hmm.
CAMERON: But at a slower rate.
812
00:32:14,558 --> 00:32:16,935
TRAVIS: With Rose you can see
there's almost no difference
813
00:32:16,935 --> 00:32:20,021
between her baseline
experiment yesterday and today.
814
00:32:20,021 --> 00:32:21,648
CAMERON: I would
have expected more,
815
00:32:21,648 --> 00:32:24,401
but it's obviously not
getting to her core, right?
816
00:32:24,401 --> 00:32:28,405
'Cause he was still getting
pretty cold, pretty fast.
817
00:32:28,405 --> 00:32:30,448
So the question is,
how do we save his life?
818
00:32:30,448 --> 00:32:32,450
How do we get this curve up.
819
00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:33,910
TRAVIS: Yep.
CAMERON: Right?
820
00:32:33,910 --> 00:32:36,079
How do we get
him up where she is?
821
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:40,667
My pals over at Mythbusters
opined that, "Oh well, they
822
00:32:40,667 --> 00:32:42,794
could have just solved the
problem because the buoyancy
823
00:32:42,794 --> 00:32:45,463
that she was carrying
wasn't doing them any good
824
00:32:45,463 --> 00:32:46,965
out of the water..."
825
00:32:46,965 --> 00:32:48,383
DAN: You're
wearing a lifejacket.
826
00:32:48,383 --> 00:32:51,553
What say if Rose spreads
some of her buoyancy around.
827
00:32:51,553 --> 00:32:53,763
Let's put it underneath
this thing and get every bit
828
00:32:53,763 --> 00:32:55,098
we can out of it."
829
00:32:55,098 --> 00:32:56,516
CAMERON: So we tried that.
830
00:32:56,516 --> 00:32:59,060
The task is going to be
to work together to take her
831
00:32:59,060 --> 00:33:02,063
lifejacket off and put
it underneath the raft.
832
00:33:02,063 --> 00:33:04,733
Think for a moment about what
a lifejacket does, it's just
833
00:33:04,733 --> 00:33:08,945
to get your mouth out of
the water so you can breathe.
834
00:33:08,945 --> 00:33:11,865
So it takes you
from here to here.
835
00:33:11,865 --> 00:33:14,075
It doesn't lift
your entire weight,
836
00:33:14,075 --> 00:33:16,203
so let's say Jack
weighed 170 pounds,
837
00:33:16,203 --> 00:33:17,871
he doesn't have
170 pounds of lift
838
00:33:17,871 --> 00:33:19,831
available if he's
wearing a lifejacket.
839
00:33:20,624 --> 00:33:23,084
Buoyancy that it's
generating is so, so little.
840
00:33:23,084 --> 00:33:26,630
I, I don't see a
big difference by eye.
841
00:33:26,630 --> 00:33:29,507
Your greatest loss here
would be, would be losing it.
842
00:33:29,507 --> 00:33:31,843
JOSH: Also, with
Rose without a lifejacket with
843
00:33:31,843 --> 00:33:35,555
her big coat and dress on,
she would just go down.
844
00:33:35,555 --> 00:33:38,683
CAMERON: The lifejacket
thing was, was a waste of time.
845
00:33:38,683 --> 00:33:41,853
I think for the degree
to which it compromised her
846
00:33:41,853 --> 00:33:45,523
safety by taking it off,
it added very little.
847
00:33:47,442 --> 00:33:49,027
It's not doing anything.
848
00:33:49,027 --> 00:33:51,404
You'd be better keeping it
on her and not using it for
849
00:33:51,404 --> 00:33:54,157
buoyancy but try using
it for thermal insulation.
850
00:33:55,116 --> 00:33:57,911
So we can bust
that myth, guys.
851
00:33:57,911 --> 00:33:59,663
Sorry.
852
00:33:59,663 --> 00:34:02,666
Our tests at the hypothermia
lab showed that if Jack had
853
00:34:02,666 --> 00:34:05,460
climbed onto the raft
with Rose, they would have
854
00:34:05,460 --> 00:34:09,089
both been partially
submerged in freezing water.
855
00:34:10,215 --> 00:34:12,092
He would still have
died before the rescue boat
856
00:34:12,092 --> 00:34:14,386
arrived two hours later.
857
00:34:14,386 --> 00:34:16,554
And she might have died, too.
858
00:34:17,806 --> 00:34:19,766
But if Jack and Rose
knew what we know today
859
00:34:19,766 --> 00:34:23,478
about hypothermia, could
they both have survived?
860
00:34:25,563 --> 00:34:28,400
CAMERON: What would it be like
if we just do the best case?
861
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,236
Best case that we can imagine
is they both kneel on the raft,
862
00:34:31,236 --> 00:34:35,323
facing each other, use their
body heat together, you know,
863
00:34:35,323 --> 00:34:38,702
kind of in an embrace,
and she shares her heat
864
00:34:38,702 --> 00:34:40,578
with him and vice-versa
and they kind of insulate,
865
00:34:40,578 --> 00:34:43,456
they huddle against the,
the elements, right?
866
00:34:43,456 --> 00:34:46,251
So we get them on the raft,
we try to do that, guess what...
867
00:34:46,251 --> 00:34:47,877
Pretty unstable...
868
00:34:47,877 --> 00:34:49,379
All right!
869
00:34:49,379 --> 00:34:50,672
It ain't happening.
870
00:34:50,672 --> 00:34:52,299
That thing's way too unstable.
871
00:34:52,299 --> 00:34:54,301
KRISTINE: I'm, I'm using
quite a lot of energy just
872
00:34:54,301 --> 00:34:56,303
trying to keep...
873
00:34:56,303 --> 00:34:58,805
CAMERON: So Jim Cotter,
in this situation, is them using
874
00:34:58,805 --> 00:35:01,516
energy to stay balanced working
for them or against them?
875
00:35:01,516 --> 00:35:02,684
JIM: No, against.
876
00:35:02,684 --> 00:35:04,144
Any muscle
that's having to move is,
877
00:35:04,144 --> 00:35:06,521
needs a little more blood,
that's taking the heat away.
878
00:35:06,521 --> 00:35:07,731
CAMERON: Right.
JIM: Okay.
879
00:35:07,731 --> 00:35:08,773
A bit more heat production,
880
00:35:08,773 --> 00:35:10,650
but proportionally
more heat loss.
881
00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:13,361
The only real thing is
if somehow Jack could keep
882
00:35:13,361 --> 00:35:15,739
his whole trunk outta the water.
883
00:35:15,739 --> 00:35:18,408
CAMERON: But, they did manage
to find a stable position,
884
00:35:18,408 --> 00:35:21,411
with a little bit of trying,
where their upper bodies
885
00:35:21,411 --> 00:35:22,954
were out of the water,
both of them,
886
00:35:22,954 --> 00:35:25,874
and that's when
it got interesting.
887
00:35:30,170 --> 00:35:34,090
Out of the water, that violent
shaking was helping him.
888
00:35:34,090 --> 00:35:37,052
His curve now was
above the other two curves.
889
00:35:37,052 --> 00:35:42,265
And projecting it out, he coulda
made it pretty long, like hours.
890
00:35:43,308 --> 00:35:47,145
But the interesting thing was,
he's taking buoyancy from her,
891
00:35:47,145 --> 00:35:49,689
getting into a
threshold where he can live,
892
00:35:49,689 --> 00:35:51,441
that's not affecting her.
893
00:35:51,441 --> 00:35:54,569
We saw that, that Kristen
wasn't violently shaking
894
00:35:54,569 --> 00:35:56,112
the way he was.
895
00:35:56,112 --> 00:35:58,198
Her core was still
in pretty good shape,
896
00:35:58,198 --> 00:35:59,574
because of all her insulation.
897
00:35:59,574 --> 00:36:03,078
But he never gets
anywhere near up where she is.
898
00:36:03,078 --> 00:36:06,414
The best thing we came up with
was them trying to keep their,
899
00:36:06,414 --> 00:36:08,541
their body out of
the water, right?
900
00:36:08,541 --> 00:36:10,251
Their, their core.
901
00:36:10,251 --> 00:36:11,795
I really learned
something interesting here.
902
00:36:11,795 --> 00:36:13,713
Is when you shiver and
shake like that underwater,
903
00:36:13,713 --> 00:36:16,132
it's conducting
away heat very rapidly.
904
00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:17,926
But when you do it
in air, above water,
905
00:36:17,926 --> 00:36:19,010
it's actually working for you.
906
00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:21,054
KRISTINE: Cold?
907
00:36:22,847 --> 00:36:24,933
JIM: And then survival time
for him depends on him being
908
00:36:24,933 --> 00:36:26,684
able to keep shivering.
909
00:36:26,684 --> 00:36:28,812
CAMERON: Now
remember you just have to
do this for another hour.
910
00:36:29,187 --> 00:36:31,481
If that plateau could have
lasted long enough to get to
911
00:36:31,481 --> 00:36:33,483
where the boat came
back to rescue them,
912
00:36:33,483 --> 00:36:35,193
he might have made it.
913
00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:36,194
JIM: He has got a chance.
914
00:36:36,194 --> 00:36:38,029
That's, that's all we can say.
915
00:36:38,029 --> 00:36:41,574
CAMERON: But that sort of
best-case scenario was kind of
916
00:36:41,574 --> 00:36:44,119
a fantasy, because they
didn't really go through all
917
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:46,996
the stuff that our characters
are seen doing before they got
918
00:36:46,996 --> 00:36:50,333
to that, they didn't
just magically teleport
themselves to the raft.
919
00:36:50,333 --> 00:36:53,336
So now let's do the
real test, let's put them
920
00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:55,922
through a simulation
of all of the things that
921
00:36:55,922 --> 00:36:57,757
Jack and Rose went through.
922
00:36:57,757 --> 00:37:01,761
So we did exactly what,
what they did, in the movie,
923
00:37:01,761 --> 00:37:05,014
except that we doubled the
time for every stage of it
924
00:37:05,014 --> 00:37:07,016
because our
water wasn't as cold.
925
00:37:07,809 --> 00:37:12,272
JIM: Going into 28 degree water,
and that just makes you gasp.
926
00:37:12,272 --> 00:37:13,857
(gasping)
927
00:37:13,857 --> 00:37:16,609
JIM: And that's the cold shock,
that accelerates the heart rate,
928
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:18,236
constricts blood vessels
so your blood pressure
929
00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:19,738
goes up immediately...
930
00:37:19,738 --> 00:37:21,823
(gasping)
931
00:37:21,823 --> 00:37:23,742
CAMERON: And a guy
pushes her under...
932
00:37:23,742 --> 00:37:25,827
One one thousand,
two one thousand...
933
00:37:25,827 --> 00:37:27,162
Back up!
934
00:37:27,162 --> 00:37:29,122
One one thousand,
two one thousand
935
00:37:29,122 --> 00:37:31,207
and Jack, save me!
936
00:37:31,207 --> 00:37:32,375
ROSE: Jack!
937
00:37:32,375 --> 00:37:33,752
JACK: Rose!
938
00:37:33,752 --> 00:37:35,003
CAMERON: Jack swims over...
939
00:37:35,003 --> 00:37:36,004
KRISTINE: Jack!
940
00:37:36,004 --> 00:37:37,964
CAMERON: And one...
941
00:37:39,966 --> 00:37:42,635
Two...
942
00:37:42,635 --> 00:37:43,845
Three!
943
00:37:43,845 --> 00:37:45,180
All right, swim Rose!
944
00:37:45,180 --> 00:37:47,098
And the faster your
heart's beating, the faster
945
00:37:47,098 --> 00:37:50,935
that cooling blood from
your arms and legs is coming
946
00:37:50,935 --> 00:37:53,521
into your core, taking
your temperature down.
947
00:37:53,521 --> 00:37:55,523
So I was really
curious to see what that did
948
00:37:55,523 --> 00:37:57,609
to Jack's situation.
949
00:37:57,609 --> 00:38:00,862
And it's pretty interesting.
950
00:38:06,117 --> 00:38:08,953
What we saw was that he got
up on there and he immediately
951
00:38:08,953 --> 00:38:12,790
went into the really strong
shaking shivering, right?
952
00:38:12,790 --> 00:38:14,459
JIM: The two big factors.
953
00:38:14,459 --> 00:38:17,629
Still having enough dexterity
and power in their limbs to get
954
00:38:17,629 --> 00:38:18,630
onto the raft...
955
00:38:18,630 --> 00:38:20,173
CAMERON: Right.
956
00:38:20,173 --> 00:38:22,884
JIM: And still being warm enough
to actually shiver intensely.
957
00:38:22,884 --> 00:38:25,220
CAMERON: Now if she saw him
shivering like that and that
958
00:38:25,220 --> 00:38:28,515
he was in worse shape than
her, she might get the idea
959
00:38:28,515 --> 00:38:32,560
to give him the
lifejacket as an insulator.
960
00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:33,686
Wouldn't you try to help him?
961
00:38:33,686 --> 00:38:34,896
KRISTINE: Oh, for sure!
CAMERON: Okay.
962
00:38:34,896 --> 00:38:37,023
All right, let's
go for that then.
963
00:38:37,982 --> 00:38:40,401
Number one is stability.
964
00:38:42,779 --> 00:38:44,822
Keep the balance,
keep the balance...
965
00:38:44,822 --> 00:38:46,616
KRISTINE: Yep.
966
00:38:46,950 --> 00:38:49,160
CAMERON: All right.
967
00:38:49,410 --> 00:38:52,330
(shivering)
968
00:38:52,330 --> 00:38:54,249
TRAVIS: He had a dramatic
decrease initially after
969
00:38:54,249 --> 00:38:57,335
the swim and since he's been
up here shivering aggressively
970
00:38:57,335 --> 00:38:59,254
like this he's
stabilizing somewhat,
971
00:38:59,254 --> 00:39:02,674
he's still coming down, but
this is definitely a better...
972
00:39:02,674 --> 00:39:03,716
CAMERON: It's the
knee in the curve.
973
00:39:03,716 --> 00:39:04,717
TRAVIS: Yeah.
CAMERON: Yeah.
974
00:39:04,717 --> 00:39:06,636
He went down, he went way down,
975
00:39:06,636 --> 00:39:09,138
he went way down
to our baseline,
976
00:39:09,138 --> 00:39:13,017
which is our worst-case scenario
with his body fully immersed.
977
00:39:13,017 --> 00:39:16,145
So this is probably our
most accurate line for what
978
00:39:16,145 --> 00:39:19,691
our characters are supposed
to have experienced, and then
979
00:39:19,691 --> 00:39:22,443
he starts to inflect up and
kind of stabilizes up kind of
980
00:39:22,443 --> 00:39:24,946
halfway between our
mid-case and our best-case.
981
00:39:24,946 --> 00:39:26,322
TRAVIS: Yeah.
982
00:39:26,322 --> 00:39:28,616
He was shivering quite
aggressively and that seemed
983
00:39:28,616 --> 00:39:29,951
to protect him and
he was actually...
984
00:39:29,951 --> 00:39:32,120
It looks almost
like on the upswing.
985
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,332
CAMERON: And he pulled up a
little bit and he stabilized.
986
00:39:36,332 --> 00:39:38,876
He got into a place
where if we projected that out,
987
00:39:38,876 --> 00:39:42,589
he just might have made it
until the lifeboat got there.
988
00:39:42,589 --> 00:39:44,716
But what's interesting
is there's actually a, a,
989
00:39:44,716 --> 00:39:47,844
a precedent for it
in the, in the history.
990
00:39:47,844 --> 00:39:52,849
There was a Chinese passenger
who was found drifting on a,
991
00:39:52,849 --> 00:39:54,809
on a piece of wooden debris.
992
00:39:54,809 --> 00:39:56,352
We actually shot that scene.
993
00:39:56,352 --> 00:39:59,397
My assistant at the time was a
guy named Van Ling, and I said,
994
00:39:59,397 --> 00:40:01,107
"Van, get in the water!"
995
00:40:01,107 --> 00:40:04,485
So Van got out
there and was yelling
in Mandarin to be rescued.
996
00:40:04,485 --> 00:40:06,446
(speaking in native language)
997
00:40:06,446 --> 00:40:08,448
MAN: Cold water!
998
00:40:08,448 --> 00:40:10,950
CAMERON: So and that's
kinda what I based the
whole Jack and Rose thing on,
999
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:13,161
it's like, okay, if you can
get on a piece of wooden debris,
1000
00:40:13,161 --> 00:40:14,621
you can live longer.
1001
00:40:14,621 --> 00:40:16,789
MAN: Bring him in quickly!
MAN 2: Aye, aye, sir!
1002
00:40:18,333 --> 00:40:22,337
CAMERON: Final verdict,
Jack might have lived...
1003
00:40:22,337 --> 00:40:24,297
But there's a
lot of variables.
1004
00:40:24,297 --> 00:40:26,257
How much swell is there,
how long does it take
1005
00:40:26,257 --> 00:40:27,967
the boat to get there...
1006
00:40:27,967 --> 00:40:31,095
In a well-lit experiment in
a test pool, we can't possibly
1007
00:40:31,095 --> 00:40:34,307
simulate the terror,
the adrenaline,
1008
00:40:34,307 --> 00:40:37,226
all the things that would
have worked against them.
1009
00:40:37,226 --> 00:40:38,978
JACK: Get on it.
1010
00:40:38,978 --> 00:40:40,813
Get on top.
1011
00:40:40,813 --> 00:40:42,023
(grunts)
1012
00:40:42,023 --> 00:40:43,232
CAMERON: He couldn't
have anticipated what
1013
00:40:43,232 --> 00:40:45,485
we know today about hypothermia.
1014
00:40:45,485 --> 00:40:47,028
(grunting)
1015
00:40:47,028 --> 00:40:49,447
CAMERON: He didn't get to run a
bunch of different experiments
1016
00:40:49,447 --> 00:40:51,366
to see what worked the best.
1017
00:40:51,366 --> 00:40:54,202
Jack's survival might have
come at the price of her life.
1018
00:40:54,202 --> 00:40:58,998
You know, there was a,
a code of chivalry that
men had in those days.
1019
00:40:58,998 --> 00:41:00,249
JACK: Get on it. Stay on it.
1020
00:41:00,249 --> 00:41:02,877
CAMERON: Add to it
his individual character.
1021
00:41:02,877 --> 00:41:06,089
He's in love with her,
a grand epic love,
1022
00:41:06,089 --> 00:41:08,174
which is self-sacrificial.
1023
00:41:08,174 --> 00:41:09,801
I think his thought
process was, I'm not going to
1024
00:41:09,801 --> 00:41:12,011
do one thing
that jeopardizes her.
1025
00:41:12,011 --> 00:41:14,013
There's x amount of buoyancy.
1026
00:41:14,013 --> 00:41:15,556
I'm not going
to take any of it.
1027
00:41:15,556 --> 00:41:18,226
I'm not going to
jeopardize her life.
1028
00:41:19,227 --> 00:41:21,229
And that's 100% in character.
1029
00:41:21,229 --> 00:41:22,814
Now we are talking
about a fictional story,
1030
00:41:22,814 --> 00:41:24,524
I do want to remind people.
1031
00:41:24,524 --> 00:41:26,401
So based on what I
know today I would've made
1032
00:41:26,401 --> 00:41:27,652
the raft smaller...
1033
00:41:27,652 --> 00:41:28,903
(laughs)
1034
00:41:28,903 --> 00:41:31,072
So there's no doubt.
1035
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:35,118
What can it tell us
about the Titanic sinking?
1036
00:41:35,118 --> 00:41:36,327
Probably a lot.
1037
00:41:36,327 --> 00:41:37,829
If people are still
interested in Titanic,
1038
00:41:37,829 --> 00:41:39,706
and they want to see
what we're doing here,
1039
00:41:39,706 --> 00:41:41,833
they might learn
something about hypothermia.
1040
00:41:41,833 --> 00:41:43,626
There might be one person
out there, in the audience,
1041
00:41:43,626 --> 00:41:45,920
that remembers what they see and
it actually saves their life.
1042
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,338
Who knows?
1043
00:41:47,338 --> 00:41:48,589
But if nothing else, it
gives you an appreciation of
1044
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:50,174
what those people went through.
1045
00:41:50,174 --> 00:41:53,177
You know, so, from my
perspective it's about
1046
00:41:53,177 --> 00:41:55,304
preserving the
history of Titanic,
1047
00:41:55,304 --> 00:41:57,014
understanding that
it was a real event
1048
00:41:57,014 --> 00:41:59,559
that took place,
and 1500 people died.
1049
00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:01,602
And they died horribly
and not the way people think.
1050
00:42:01,602 --> 00:42:02,562
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