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And then he doubled down on that
just before the election took place
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and then talked
about it again last week.
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Really extraordinary,
the circumstances.
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Remember, Hillary Clinton
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Secretary Clinton,
just recently came out
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and said the Jim Comey letters
and what he said
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was one of the reasons
she lost the election.
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Now we're saying that he's been
fired for basically those decisions.
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I wanna read a letter
from President Trump
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released just moments ago.
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"Dear Director Comey, I have
received the attached letters
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from the Attorney General
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the Deputy Attorney General
of the United States
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recommending your dismissal
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as the Director of
the Federal Bureau of Investigation.
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I have accepted their recommendation
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and you are hereby terminated
and removed from office
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effective immediately.
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While I greatly appreciate
you informing me
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on three separate occasions
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that I am not under investigation
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I nevertheless concur
with the judgment
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of the Department of Justice
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that you are not able
to effectively lead the Bureau.
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It is essential that we find
new leadership for the FBI..."
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This is my partner...
partner, Wally Taylor.
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Hey, how are you?
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Hey.
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How are you?
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- Good. How you doing?
- Good.
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How's your day today?
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It's pretty good.
Just got some groceries.
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All right.
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Let's show you who we are.
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Okay, well,
the reason we're here today
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is that we have a search warrant
for your house.
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Okay.
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All right. Do you know
what this might be about?
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I have no idea.
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Okay.
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This is about possible mishandling
of classified information.
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Oh, my goodness. Okay.
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So, what we've got is,
again, got a warrant.
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And I'm happy to show it to you.
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Kind of go over what's going on.
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Kind of get your side of it.
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And of course, you're completely
voluntary to talk to me.
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We can talk here, or...
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Our office is about
five minutes away.
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If you want to...
if you'd rather talk there
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then we can do either one.
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It makes no difference to me.
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- Okay.
- Do you have any pets?
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- I do. I have two pets.
- Because you've been gone awhile
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so do we maybe need to let them out
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and use the bathroom
and stuff like that?
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I... do.
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Would you mind if I at least get
some perishables into the fridge?
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And we can do that too
but what we're gonna have to do is...
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Do you live by yourself?
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Yes.
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Okay. What we're gonna
have to do is
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we're gonna have to go
into the house first
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make sure it's safe.
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We have a search warrant,
so we're... we're going to.
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- Absolutely.
- Okay. And...
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What we'll do is we'll keep you
out here until we do that
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and once we secure it, we'll...
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then we can kind of
go from there, okay?
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Of course.
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So, is your dog friendly?
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Okay, well...
So... she doesn't...
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- like men.
- Okay.
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- So...
- So that's a problem.
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Yeah.
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- She may come towards you
- Okay.
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But she's never bitten anybody.
She's not aggressive.
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She's just got, you know,
a really good growl going.
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- Okay.
- She'll probably hide under my desk.
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Do you have a leash or something...
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- I have a leash.
- Okay.
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I can get her leashed up.
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So what we might wanna do is
maybe let you go in there with her.
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You're not to touch anything else,
you're not to do anything else
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but get the dog
and bring it out here.
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Are we cool?
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- Of course. I understand.
- Because otherwise
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if we have a problem,
we're not gonna do that.
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I can move her
straight to the backyard.
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- Okay.
- Okay.
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House key?
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House key.
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We also have a warrant
to search the car, too.
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Do you have a cellphone?
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And we'll take that
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and we'll kind of go
from there, okay?
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But like he said,
we're completely voluntary
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completely up to you on...
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But, you know, I think
maybe it'd be worth your time
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to listen at least for a little bit.
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- Definitely here...
- Okay?
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And we can kind of figure out
what's going on.
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- To comply.
- Okay.
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Her leash is two feet inside the door
where I left it this morning.
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I can move her straight
to the backyard.
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Are there any weapons
in the car or in the house?
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In the house, yes.
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What do you have?
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I have an AR-15.
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Is it pink?
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It's pink.
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Okay.
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How'd you know?
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I have a Glock 9 under the bed.
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- And...
- Okay.
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A 15-gauge.
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You sound like my house.
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Okay. We're good then.
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All right. Just don't make
any movements for those
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and then we're...
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- Yeah.
- Yeah.
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I mean, we're all cool.
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- Yeah.
- Yeah.
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- I mean, kind of obvious.
- Yeah.
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You can put... There's a little
fenced-in area where you can put her.
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Yes, yes, and you won't even
take your eyes off me.
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And we'll get water
and stuff like that.
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And this other guy
is with us as well.
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And we'll probably have a few more
people showing up here directly.
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Again, doesn't like men.
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Starting to see a trend here.
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Yeah, you all can come on out.
We found her.
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- What's her name?
- Mickey.
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- Hey, Mickey.
- Hey, there.
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She doesn't know
what's going on, though.
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There you go.
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You don't have any weapons
or anything on you, do you?
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- No.
- None in the car?
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In the car, no.
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Hey.
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- Hang on. Hang on just a second.
- Can I close the door for my cat?
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All right.
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'Cause that's all I care about
right now.
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Okay.
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So the only thing in there now
and that's alive is the cat?
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Yes.
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There's not a person?
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No person.
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- They on their way?
- Yeah, they're pulling up.
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Why don't we...
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You wanna wait out here
with her for a minute?
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And then Joe and I will walk through.
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Again, just to explain,
we have a search warrant. It's...
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- I understand.
- It's en route.
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It's all right.
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They're just making sure...
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Just checking to make sure
there's nobody else in there.
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Nothing "surprise".
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Nothing surprise us,
or anything like that.
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- Yup.
- So.
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I wanna make this as easy
as possible for you guys.
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Okay, likewise.
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So hopefully, explain things,
get to figure this all out
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and wrap it up.
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How... how old is she?
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We don't know. She's one of those.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, my...
one of my dogs was a rescue.
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And when I got him, he wouldn't...
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I was the only guy
who could touch him.
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Anybody else came in the house,
especially male
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he'd pee all over the place.
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But I could touch him,
and it was fine.
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So whoever had him
before was a real...
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real piece of work.
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Yeah, she was left in a kennel
and neglected her whole life.
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Why don't we...
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Let's get the groceries,
throw them in the fridge real quick.
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Then we'll bring you
back out here, okay?
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Is that...
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No, that's it for the perishables.
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Should be.
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The neighbors.
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All right, if you could
just step over. Just there.
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Yup, just stop right there.
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Look up here.
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There's a cat in the house.
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In the bed, or it's on the bed.
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- It's on the bed?
- Or it was on the bed.
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It'll probably go
under the bed at some point.
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And the dog is
in the backyard in the fence.
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Does...
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Does she need water?
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She'll be fine.
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She's been inside all day
with her water.
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Okay.
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All righty.
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All right. So would you like
to talk here or talk...
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talk at the office?
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We can go ahead and talk here.
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You wanna talk here?
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- Sure.
- Okay.
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Let's...
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I'm trying to think if we have
any private place
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there in the house that...
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Do you have anything
there in the house
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that we can kind of sit that's away?
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Away?
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There's one bedroom that's empty.
I don't...
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I don't really like to go in there.
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Other than...
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I guess I don't really have anything
else other than that back room.
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That back room?
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Okay. And it's completely empty?
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Yeah. You'll go in there. There's...
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There's one dog kennel cage.
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Other than that, I don't use it.
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Okay. All right.
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You said you don't like
to go in there?
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Oh, gosh, no, it's just weird.
It's just creepy.
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It's like an addition
to the back of the house
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behind the kitchen,
and it's always dirty.
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Okay. We can talk back there
if you're fine going back there.
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- It's...
- Yeah, we can go back there.
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Okay. All right.
There's a back room there
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- that we can...
- Kind of like the laundry?
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- That she'd like to talk in.
- Yeah, that'll work.
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It's too hot out here for...
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Oh, I can make a pit stop
and take out the AC if you need that.
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Well, there's...
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They've gotta do their thing
for a minute and then we can go in.
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We can go in.
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Oh, get the password.
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What's the... How do you open this?
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Just hang on.
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What kind, is it the iPhone?
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How long you lived in Augusta?
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I was out here October 2015
to April 2016.
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TDY, and then moved back
this past December.
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What... what do you think of it?
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Well, I willingly moved
back here as a civilian
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so I guess it must be all right.
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"Willingly."
You say that begrudgingly.
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Yeah. I mean...
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Originally, my big plan
is to deploy as a Pashto linguist
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and be in Baghram for a bit.
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But then they hired me
out here for Farsi, so...
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Wait, you're Farsi and Pashto?
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Farsi, Dari, Pashto.
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Wow. That's...
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that's impressive.
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I can barely...
I'm barely able to speak English.
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English is hard.
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But yeah, I noticed that with...
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Especially here in Augusta
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it's great for families
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but single, it's kind of tough.
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Like, I can't imagine coming back.
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What's the...
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00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:30,400
Do you have a password or anything?
260
00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,600
- No password.
- How do we do it?
261
00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:34,056
Show me how to do it,
or tell me how to do it.
262
00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:36,080
- Swipe that?
- Yeah.
263
00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:37,680
No security?
264
00:17:38,360 --> 00:17:39,360
No security.
265
00:17:40,920 --> 00:17:42,416
You don't have a password
or anything that...
266
00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:44,840
No password, nothing.
Just anytime it locks
267
00:17:44,920 --> 00:17:48,400
you just press the side there
until you see the circle
268
00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:49,800
and just slide up a bit.
269
00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:51,880
Okay, so it's...
270
00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:56,520
Did you already show her the warrant?
271
00:17:57,800 --> 00:17:58,800
No, I haven't.
272
00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:02,696
I was going to. We're gonna...
273
00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,280
We're gonna sit down
and show it to her.
274
00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:19,360
What made you get out
of the Air Force?
275
00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,280
I... I wanted to deploy.
276
00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:28,400
I mean, I learned Pashto
for a reason.
277
00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,241
And those opportunities
aren't in the Air Force right now.
278
00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:33,536
You'd figure that with that language
279
00:18:33,560 --> 00:18:35,320
- you could just... raise your hand
- Right?
280
00:18:35,400 --> 00:18:36,640
And they'd go, "Yeah, go."
281
00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:39,240
Yeah, no, where I was in Maryland
282
00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:41,176
they only had one billet per year
for Afghanistan
283
00:18:41,200 --> 00:18:43,040
and it was all always airborne.
284
00:18:43,120 --> 00:18:44,400
Not even language.
285
00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:46,800
So I imagine people
were just crawling for it.
286
00:18:47,360 --> 00:18:49,840
Yeah, and I don't have
my airborne physical, so...
287
00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,120
Is your dog okay?
Does it need anything?
288
00:18:54,200 --> 00:18:55,200
She's fine.
289
00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,360
- She?
- Yeah. She's...
290
00:18:57,440 --> 00:18:59,320
If you can tell,
we're all dog people.
291
00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:03,120
Yeah, I can... I can tell.
292
00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:11,640
Is she destructive at all when she...
when you leave her alone?
293
00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,160
Yeah. She's just a nervous chewer.
294
00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:35,880
Where do you CrossFit at?
295
00:19:39,080 --> 00:19:41,840
I'm at SEC.
296
00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,160
I used to be on Enterprise Court
297
00:19:46,240 --> 00:19:48,880
off of Bobby Jones,
and then we moved to Wheeler.
298
00:19:51,680 --> 00:19:53,760
But my friend's re-opening
the UnderBox.
299
00:19:54,160 --> 00:19:55,480
You... you gonna go off?
300
00:19:56,720 --> 00:19:59,200
Yeah. I'm just... I'm just waiting
for her gym to open to...
301
00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:00,280
to jump ship.
302
00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:04,800
I did it for, like, six months,
and I hurt myself.
303
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:07,480
Just every single day was just pain.
304
00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:09,000
- Yeah.
- So, I don't know.
305
00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:10,480
Guess I'm just too old and broken.
306
00:20:15,360 --> 00:20:17,640
Yeah, I always say that
I don't do CrossFit.
307
00:20:17,720 --> 00:20:19,296
- I do competitive power lifting.
- Okay.
308
00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:20,896
And then I do CrossFit
when it's convenient.
309
00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:21,920
No.
310
00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:23,840
What's your...
311
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:26,080
Power lifting?
312
00:20:28,080 --> 00:20:31,040
What's your preference on?
What's your favorite stuff?
313
00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,920
I'm just all upper body.
314
00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:36,800
So, bench.
315
00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,080
It's kind of sad.
I tested my lifts this week
316
00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,960
because I have a competition
on June 24th.
317
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,560
And my max bench is 180.
318
00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:44,800
And then my max back squat...
319
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:48,680
I have... I have a back injury,
so my max back squat is 195.
320
00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,920
- But I don't...
- Still, still not shabby.
321
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,840
No, it should not be that close.
322
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:54,920
How'd you hurt your back?
323
00:20:57,720 --> 00:20:59,400
Doing power cleans.
324
00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,360
My pelvis wasn't rotating,
so I separated that joint.
325
00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,880
- Sounds painful.
- Yeah.
326
00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:09,840
I did... I was doing box jumps,
and this hand just...
327
00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:14,000
I was doing it by myself,
hit the box and, I mean, I thought
328
00:21:14,080 --> 00:21:16,880
I just fractured
every bone in the body.
329
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,080
In the hand.
330
00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,240
And I went to... I had to go
to the doctor to get the X-ray.
331
00:21:22,320 --> 00:21:23,840
They said, "So how'd you do this?"
332
00:21:24,240 --> 00:21:25,240
"CrossFit."
333
00:21:25,400 --> 00:21:26,720
Four times they asked me.
334
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,120
Said, "No, I didn't get in a fight,
it was CrossFit."
335
00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:35,120
I thought I could see the bone
in my shin from that one.
336
00:21:35,640 --> 00:21:37,240
- Wow, what was that?
- Box jumps.
337
00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,040
Just missed the box.
338
00:21:39,120 --> 00:21:41,280
That's a moment you really hope,
"Did anybody see that?
339
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:43,000
I really hope nobody saw that."
340
00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:01,840
So I do have to ask, just...
341
00:22:03,160 --> 00:22:06,280
however this goes, I don't wanna
make any assumptions, but...
342
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,096
is this gonna be a thing where, like
343
00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:10,536
I brought my phone into the building
344
00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,560
and I don't see that phone
for three weeks or...
345
00:22:13,520 --> 00:22:15,456
- We'll go over the warrant itself...
- We have a warrant for the phone.
346
00:22:15,480 --> 00:22:17,256
Yeah, no, and I don't...
I don't wanna make any assumptions
347
00:22:17,280 --> 00:22:18,840
or anything like that, just...
348
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,880
I'm teaching yoga tomorrow
349
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:24,560
and my phone has the music on it.
350
00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:33,960
Okay.
351
00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,640
I mean, there are
bigger problems in the world
352
00:22:38,720 --> 00:22:40,680
so I can make do, I guess.
353
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,360
Yeah. And, we'll...
354
00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:44,480
we'll talk about that
once we sit down.
355
00:22:45,000 --> 00:22:47,880
Is there a... Do you have
just a few chairs, like
356
00:22:48,360 --> 00:22:51,080
kitchen table chairs that we can pull
into that... that back room?
357
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,616
Or are we gonna be
sitting on the floor?
358
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:53,720
No.
359
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,080
Yeah, I...
360
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:59,000
If you wanna sit,
I'm not too big on furniture.
361
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,120
Would it be too much to ask if I can
get the cat on a leash and tied up?
362
00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:55,200
Just...
363
00:23:57,640 --> 00:24:00,360
I just don't wanna be, like,
asking someone in the FBI
364
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,880
to keep the front door closed
if you guys are doing a search.
365
00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:04,680
I don't see an issue.
366
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,440
Where is the cat right now?
367
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:09,800
- In the bedroom.
- On the bed.
368
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,600
- In the bed.
- Okay.
369
00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:14,240
- Still in the bed?
- Yeah, I think so.
370
00:24:22,320 --> 00:24:25,360
Where... Just safety's sake,
where are the...
371
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:27,256
- There's your weapon and the...
- The weapon.
372
00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:29,480
It's right by the little table
with the lamp
373
00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:30,560
right under the bed.
374
00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,160
- Your cat's under there.
- He's under the bed.
375
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:34,800
Or she's under the bed.
376
00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,720
- The AR's in the case in here?
- Yes.
377
00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:39,280
Where's the other gun?
378
00:24:39,360 --> 00:24:41,840
It's behind it, more against
the wall in the black case.
379
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:43,320
Can you get your cat?
380
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,416
- Do you wanna get your cat?
- Can you...
381
00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:47,336
- Do you wanna get your cat?
- Do you wanna get your cat?
382
00:24:47,360 --> 00:24:48,480
Get your cat.
383
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,160
All right, she's good.
384
00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:19,320
Okay.
385
00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:20,480
All right.
386
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:22,080
You wanna go back here?
387
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,520
Yeah, you can go ahead
and go back in there.
388
00:26:03,840 --> 00:26:06,040
This room is dirty. I'm so sorry.
389
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:20,440
All righty.
390
00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:25,240
So, again, my name is Justin.
391
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,520
You probably don't remember
any idea of who I am. So...
392
00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:30,480
Justin Garrick with the FBI.
393
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,040
This is Wally. He's my partner.
394
00:26:34,360 --> 00:26:36,080
So what I wanna do
is kind of explain that
395
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,640
you know,
we do have a search warrant.
396
00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:41,016
You're welcome to see the warrant,
you're welcome to read the warrant
397
00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,560
and then explain
a little bit about it.
398
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,200
Now, if you're willing
to talk to me...
399
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:49,120
like to kind of go through
just how this started and, you know
400
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:50,640
give your... your side of it.
401
00:26:51,120 --> 00:26:52,600
We'll figure out
what's going on here.
402
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,480
Does that sound...
sound good to you?
403
00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:58,960
Okay.
404
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,440
Okay?
405
00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:04,560
Yes.
406
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:07,320
Now, I'm gonna take...
407
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:10,480
Right here...
408
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:12,800
I'm gonna take notes.
409
00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:16,200
Just random basis.
You got to take notes.
410
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,080
Do you need water or anything?
Are you thirsty?
411
00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:28,280
You're what...
If you need water, shout it out.
412
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:33,000
Okay. I'll let you know. Thanks.
413
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,200
- Are you thirsty?
- Not right now.
414
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:38,000
Okay. All right.
415
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:42,896
If you need to use the restroom,
any of that, let me know.
416
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,880
It's not a big deal. Okay?
417
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:50,240
Okay. So, currently, you're employed
as a contract linguist
418
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,240
- with Pluribus?
- Yes.
419
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:55,840
I'm sorry, what languages you said?
420
00:27:56,360 --> 00:27:59,000
- I heard...
- Farsi, Dari, Pashto.
421
00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,280
Okay. Any other?
422
00:28:08,600 --> 00:28:09,600
No.
423
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,640
I'm kidding. I think that's enough.
424
00:28:14,360 --> 00:28:15,680
That's really impressive.
425
00:28:16,040 --> 00:28:18,400
And you live here,
sorry, by yourself?
426
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,840
- Yes.
- Okay.
427
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:25,480
This is really hard
without a table and chairs.
428
00:28:27,600 --> 00:28:28,800
I'm so sorry.
429
00:28:29,120 --> 00:28:31,840
It's... You don't have to apol...
It's your house.
430
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,320
If you do feel like, you know,
you wanna sit or anything
431
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:38,040
we'll sit, okay?
432
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,520
If you sit on the floor,
I'll sit on the floor, I don't care.
433
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:43,600
Okay.
434
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:46,496
And I'm serious about that.
435
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,720
If you wanna sit, please,
I'll sit down too.
436
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:51,800
Okay.
437
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,680
So, again, we have a warrant.
And it's... Do you...
438
00:28:57,240 --> 00:28:58,320
Would you like to see it?
439
00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,440
- Yes, please.
- Okay.
440
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:06,456
That just gave us the authority
to search the residence
441
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:07,600
the car, and then you.
442
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,800
"125 pounds." You guys flatter me.
443
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,760
Sorry. I have a sense of humor.
444
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,240
- It was on your driver's license.
- That's right.
445
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,440
Okay, well, I lied.
446
00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:31,560
Don't we all?
447
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,320
Attachment B
just explains the property
448
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,320
that we're authorized
to search for and seize.
449
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:39,880
Any questions about any of that?
450
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,400
- No.
- Okay.
451
00:29:48,360 --> 00:29:49,920
We'll just leave
a copy of that for you.
452
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:51,920
Yeah, we'll leave a copy.
453
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,960
So, all this stems
from a report that we received
454
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,560
that you had mishandled
classified information.
455
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,920
My question is
456
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,000
does that ring
any bells to you whatsoever?
457
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:48,880
It does now.
458
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,040
When I started
working at White Law, I...
459
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,120
Do you guys know PKI passwords?
460
00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:59,560
So I had a printed out email
461
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,120
and I put it in a folder,
I didn't have a desk yet
462
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,440
so I took it with me.
463
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:06,160
And passed through security,
and went to Starbucks
464
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:09,720
and when I came back,
they searched through it.
465
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,400
And unfortunately, the email
I had printed out was classified.
466
00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:15,480
And they filed a report for that.
467
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:16,840
Okay. All right.
468
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:19,400
And what's your work role there
at White Law?
469
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,400
Currently, I translate
graphics documents. And...
470
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:27,160
- Yeah, that's all I do.
- Okay.
471
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:28,800
From Farsi to English.
472
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:33,840
So you're assigned to a specific
section, I guess, or a group?
473
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,440
Yes. It's the Iranian
Aerospace Forces Office.
474
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,560
Have you been assigned there
your entire time there?
475
00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:41,080
Yes, since February.
476
00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,920
Okay.
477
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,400
Is there any other issues
or anything you're aware of
478
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:48,520
that might explain
why that report was generated?
479
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,560
Like, maybe this, maybe that?
480
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:53,720
No.
481
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,280
No? Okay.
482
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,440
So you currently hold
Top Secret-SCI clearance?
483
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:01,680
Yes.
484
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:03,920
How long have you had that?
485
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:09,760
I would say since January 2013.
486
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:11,920
- While you were in the Air Force?
- Yes.
487
00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,680
So you kept it through...
488
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:18,200
Through the...
489
00:32:18,800 --> 00:32:19,800
Did you...
490
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:27,680
When did you process
out of the Air Force?
491
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:30,160
I processed out of the Air Force...
492
00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:32,200
December...
493
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:35,960
December 14, 2016.
494
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,600
And up until that time,
I was looking for contracts
495
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,400
to try and get my clearance renewed.
496
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,720
So your clearance
just kind of passed through.
497
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:43,960
It passed through, yeah.
498
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:47,760
Okay. All right.
499
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,920
So, again, as far as you're aware
500
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,960
you haven't committed
any security violations
501
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:57,960
or anything you're aware of,
other than this... this PKI thing?
502
00:32:59,200 --> 00:33:02,200
Other than the PKI thing, no.
503
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:10,360
I mean...
504
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,440
I do print out documents at work
505
00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:19,440
because it's easier for me
to translate them by hand.
506
00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:20,760
But then I put them in the box.
507
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:23,120
And then I don't get it mixed up
508
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:25,880
with, like, my classified notes
because they...
509
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,200
I use pretty paper.
510
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:32,800
So I don't take out white paper.
511
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:37,280
Got it.
512
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:39,680
And I know it sounds really dumb,
but it's just...
513
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:42,360
how I can do it now.
514
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,960
And after that stupid
PKI thing, I was like
515
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:48,360
"No more white paper
out of the building."
516
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:51,320
You... said you printed out stuff?
517
00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,520
- Yeah. I printed out...
- Is there...
518
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:56,680
Why did that come to mind
as far as security?
519
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:01,640
I guess...
520
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:04,800
I'm just trying to think about...
521
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,160
actual paper.
522
00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:09,896
I can't imagine any other way
523
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:11,840
to get things
out of the building, I guess.
524
00:34:12,600 --> 00:34:14,520
I mean, I'm old-fashioned.
525
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:16,280
So, thinking about that
526
00:34:17,720 --> 00:34:19,720
and just with this PKI thing
527
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,256
just making sure I don't accidentally
have anything in my lunchbox
528
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,280
or anything like that.
529
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,120
- Nothing got out of the building?
- Nothing.
530
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:26,776
You didn't carry anything
out of the building?
531
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,800
No, and I definitely let everything
get searched all the time.
532
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:32,160
So I haven't had any other accidents.
533
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:36,200
Do you work on any other matters?
534
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:37,760
No.
535
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:39,000
Okay.
536
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:43,160
Have you ever inadvertently,
either by accident
537
00:34:43,240 --> 00:34:45,000
or intentionally, or whatever
538
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,840
gone outside
your need-to-know on items?
539
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,840
Outside my need-to-know on items?
540
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:59,000
I do, from time to time,
look at a website called "My Online."
541
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,400
- It's drone feeds.
- Okay.
542
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:06,040
I used to work a drone mission,
so it's all Afghan stuff, but...
543
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,240
other than that, just...
544
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,440
reading basic news articles
on NSA Net.
545
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:14,216
But I've never accessed
anything that's outside of...
546
00:35:14,240 --> 00:35:17,240
Okay. Have you ever
gone searching for stuff
547
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,120
that's not related
to your... your work role?
548
00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:21,200
No.
549
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:22,840
Okay.
550
00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,880
You've kind of already answered this,
but outside of the PKI
551
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:33,280
have you ever taken anything
outside of the NSA facility?
552
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,000
- No.
- No?
553
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,800
Have you downloaded anything?
Emailed anything out?
554
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:39,720
- No.
- No? Okay.
555
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,440
Have you ever discussed
any classified material
556
00:35:42,520 --> 00:35:45,680
with anybody who wouldn't have the
prior US government authorization?
557
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,776
Who wouldn't have the clearance
or anything like that?
558
00:35:47,800 --> 00:35:49,696
Who wouldn't have the clearance
and the need to know?
559
00:35:49,720 --> 00:35:50,720
No.
560
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:52,480
No?
561
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,200
Okay.
562
00:35:54,720 --> 00:35:57,440
Not many people ask
about Iranian aerospace.
563
00:35:57,520 --> 00:35:59,560
So, I lucked out.
564
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:03,960
So you never discussed work
or anything classified with anybody?
565
00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:07,440
Nuh-uh.
566
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:11,440
How's the neighborhood?
567
00:36:15,520 --> 00:36:17,920
I did not look at a map
when I signed the lease
568
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:19,960
but I am well armed.
569
00:36:20,760 --> 00:36:21,840
You seem to be.
570
00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:23,800
What's your plans?
571
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,136
You gonna stay in the house
572
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,256
or you gonna move
somewhere else, or...
573
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,120
Did you sign a lease, I guess?
574
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,320
I signed a lease, and I would
only break it if I get a deployment.
575
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,400
Yeah.
576
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,320
Have you had any issues here,
since you moved here?
577
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:38,040
- I did, yeah.
- What happened?
578
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,960
I was coming home
from a concert in Atlanta.
579
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:43,480
It was 3.00am, and...
580
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,560
there was a guy
standing on the street
581
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:49,880
and I wanted to make sure
that he didn't see me go
582
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,760
from, like, my car to my door.
And I thought I timed it out well.
583
00:36:53,200 --> 00:36:55,360
But then I was standing
at the sink getting water
584
00:36:55,440 --> 00:36:57,560
and then someone starts
knocking at the door...
585
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:00,400
Do you have a toothpick?
586
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:09,680
It's 3.00am
587
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,000
and my keys and my phone
were by the door
588
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,320
'cause that's where I dropped them,
because I had to pee.
589
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,480
So... very glad to have
a Glock 9 in the back.
590
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,560
Oh, yeah.
591
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:22,640
- Did not sleep.
- I'm sure.
592
00:37:24,240 --> 00:37:25,640
Anything other than that?
593
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:28,400
Other than that...
594
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:32,480
There's this...
595
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,800
People always ask
if you want your lawn done
596
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:38,920
and someone came and
mowed my lawn
597
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,760
while I was in Belize last week.
598
00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:43,200
So... not really cool with that.
599
00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:44,520
I imagine not.
600
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:46,616
They're probably gonna
come by and knock on the door
601
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,120
- and ask for compensation.
- Yeah.
602
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,880
I mean, if it's the same guy
I paid last time
603
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,560
he's, like, this little old man,
like, in his eighties
604
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,440
so I won't really be mad.
605
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:56,960
- But...
- When...
606
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,000
When did you go to Belize?
607
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,880
I left on Saturday morning,
and flew back Monday morning.
608
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:07,280
Last weekend.
609
00:38:08,880 --> 00:38:10,280
That was a quick trip to Belize.
610
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:13,920
It was a quick trip.
611
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:15,760
What'd you go down there for?
612
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,240
I wanted to see the Mayan pyramids.
613
00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:20,320
Okay.
614
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:22,880
- So, yeah.
- That's pretty cool.
615
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:25,240
I didn't have any leave
616
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,560
so I was tired of waiting
for the stars to align
617
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,480
- so I just said...
- Sure.
618
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:32,040
"Got three days, let's do it."
619
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:33,280
- That's cool.
- Fair enough.
620
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,280
Spur of the moment.
That's pretty cool.
621
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:37,920
Did you go down there
by yourself or...
622
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:40,280
Yeah. By myself.
623
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,320
Okay. Did you do any tours
or anything down there?
624
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:46,320
I did.
625
00:38:48,720 --> 00:38:52,520
The first day, I went on,
like, an Altun Ha tour.
626
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:54,960
That was one of the first sites.
627
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:57,800
And then the second day we did...
628
00:38:58,240 --> 00:39:01,280
we took a boat on a river
down to the Lemani Pyramids
629
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,520
and then we came back, and...
630
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,160
Yeah.
631
00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:07,640
Okay.
632
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:10,720
Saw a bunch of monkeys.
633
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:13,480
So you're positive
634
00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,720
you've never printed anything out
that was outside of your work role?
635
00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:23,320
I'm trying to think.
636
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,120
Because there's... there's...
637
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:30,760
There's NSA Pulse
638
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:35,000
and from time to time,
I do print out articles from that
639
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:36,560
and use as scratch paper.
640
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,120
That sounds really dumb.
641
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:42,576
Now that I'm thinking about it
642
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,960
the things that I did
were really dumb.
643
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,400
But then I always threw it out
in the burn bin.
644
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:48,480
Okay.
645
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,480
What kind of articles
from Pulse do you pull out?
646
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:54,480
Usually reference material
about, like...
647
00:39:55,920 --> 00:39:57,080
Just making sure, like
648
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,920
so many references that
I keep having to relook up...
649
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,160
So that's probably fraud,
waste, and abuse right there.
650
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:05,600
We're not worried about
fraud, waste, and abuse.
651
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:07,600
Okay.
652
00:40:07,880 --> 00:40:08,880
No.
653
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:12,840
I use a lot of papers.
654
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,160
But nothing outside of Iranian stuff
655
00:40:15,240 --> 00:40:17,640
or anything other than that.
656
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:19,480
And never outside of the building.
657
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:20,560
Okay.
658
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:22,080
Reality
659
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,440
what if I said that I have
the information to suggest
660
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,880
that you did print out stuff
that was outside of that scope?
661
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,360
I mean, I would...
662
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,560
I would try to remember.
663
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:37,880
Okay.
664
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,400
What if I said that
you printed out information
665
00:40:41,480 --> 00:40:43,640
related to reports on...
666
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:51,800
Reality...
667
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,680
we obviously know a lot more than
what we're telling you at this point.
668
00:40:59,520 --> 00:41:01,160
And I think... I think
you know a lot more
669
00:41:01,240 --> 00:41:02,880
than what you're telling us
at this point.
670
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,320
I don't want you to go down
the wrong road.
671
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,880
I think you need to stop
672
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:11,520
and think about what you're saying
and what you're doing.
673
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,840
I think it's an opportunity
to maybe tell the truth. Because...
674
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,840
telling a... telling a lie
to an FBI agent
675
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:22,760
is not gonna be the right thing.
676
00:41:23,720 --> 00:41:24,720
Okay?
677
00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:26,960
You know, and again
678
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,320
we're here voluntarily.
679
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,800
You're talking voluntarily.
680
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:36,280
I'm not asking you,
forcing you to do anything.
681
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:37,360
But think.
682
00:41:38,240 --> 00:41:40,680
That's what I'm asking you
to do, is think.
683
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,160
So...
684
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:45,680
think about what he just asked you
685
00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:47,360
and let... you know.
686
00:41:58,200 --> 00:42:00,760
There was one I printed out
because I wanted to read it.
687
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:08,080
Can you remember
what day that was?
688
00:42:09,720 --> 00:42:11,560
I might mess up the dates, but...
689
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,000
late... late March, early...
690
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,120
- early April?
- And what was it?
691
00:42:21,160 --> 00:42:23,000
It was an NSA Pulse article about...
692
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:28,280
Okay.
693
00:42:28,600 --> 00:42:29,600
And...
694
00:42:30,680 --> 00:42:31,880
I did print that one out.
695
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:35,760
Okay.
696
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:38,000
Why...
697
00:42:39,240 --> 00:42:40,480
Why did you print that one out?
698
00:42:42,720 --> 00:42:44,040
'Cause I wanted to read it.
699
00:42:45,240 --> 00:42:48,040
The way I downloaded it,
it was hard to read so...
700
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,320
It looked like a piece of history,
you know?
701
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,360
And I wanted it on my desk
for, like, a day.
702
00:42:56,720 --> 00:42:58,320
Did you... How did you find it?
703
00:43:00,400 --> 00:43:02,920
So if you go on Pulse, there's a...
704
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,440
At the top right, they have
a tab that says "Articles."
705
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:09,920
And I scroll through those from...
706
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,160
I don't know if you guys saw the one
about the miniature ponies.
707
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:15,520
- But...
- I missed that one.
708
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:18,400
Yeah, no, that was number one
for, like, a year.
709
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,360
So, obviously, I go to check
to see if there's any other gems.
710
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,480
And... and then there was that one,
and I saw it on the news
711
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:25,560
and I was just...
712
00:43:26,120 --> 00:43:28,680
Like, yeah, I wanted to read it.
713
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:30,760
So, yeah.
714
00:43:31,560 --> 00:43:33,240
- Okay.
- What did you do with the article?
715
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,560
I kept it on my desk
for, like, three days.
716
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:43,000
I'm gonna be honest...
717
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:48,120
I only read, like, half of it.
718
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,880
It was the stupidest thing ever.
719
00:43:51,320 --> 00:43:53,440
And then... and then
I burn bagged it in the box
720
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:55,360
with the slat next to the fridge.
721
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:57,080
Okay.
722
00:43:57,680 --> 00:43:59,120
Did you print out
any other articles?
723
00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:01,040
No, no, I just... only the one.
724
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:03,400
Okay, talking around it.
725
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:06,760
You're pretty sure it was
late April, early March?
726
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:08,440
Think about... try to remember, like
727
00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:10,016
- details in your personal life.
- I know.
728
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,520
I... I'm trying. I... I don't...
729
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:14,240
I don't... I don't remember.
730
00:44:14,640 --> 00:44:18,200
I got in a fight with the boyfriend
that week.
731
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:20,760
God, when did I break up with him?
I don't remember.
732
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:23,320
God, I'm... I'm really
blanking on what week
733
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,000
what the weekend
was like before that.
734
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:26,440
- I'm so sorry.
- It's okay.
735
00:44:26,520 --> 00:44:28,400
I'm trying. God.
736
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:31,880
Yeah, mid-April is all I'm thinking.
737
00:44:32,320 --> 00:44:33,320
Okay. All right.
738
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:35,640
What if I tell you that
I know that you searched for
739
00:44:35,720 --> 00:44:38,080
and printed out a document
on the 9th of May?
740
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:40,760
9th of May.
741
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:43,760
Let me see.
742
00:44:44,240 --> 00:44:47,400
The CrossFit competition
was on the 12th.
743
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,320
God, was it really that late?
744
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,680
I mean, I can't argue that.
If you know, you know.
745
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:55,560
- Okay.
- I mean, obviously, you know.
746
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:57,920
I mean, I just... I can't imagine.
747
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,280
I mean, I guess
we're already June already.
748
00:45:03,600 --> 00:45:06,120
It's been a really bad month for me.
749
00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:08,680
Do you remember
what you did to get to that article?
750
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:13,480
Other than seeing it
on the front page or linking it...
751
00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:16,000
Do you remember what search terms
you might have put in?
752
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:26,240
Probably...
753
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,080
I'm not very sophisticated.
754
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:32,600
Okay. So...
755
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:34,880
you did print out a document.
756
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,200
An intelligence report.
You do recall that?
757
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:41,360
Yeah, I do remember now, yeah.
758
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:43,680
Okay. What did you do
with that report?
759
00:45:46,320 --> 00:45:48,560
I kept it on my desk for three days
760
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:51,960
and I thought it was interesting,
and I would read it
761
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,640
and then I said, "No, I should
not have this on my desk"
762
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:56,040
and so I put it in the burn bag.
763
00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,400
Where's the burn bag?
764
00:45:58,120 --> 00:45:59,120
Okay...
765
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:01,640
It's in the break room.
766
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,760
It's the white box with the little
slat on it, one over from the fridge.
767
00:46:06,840 --> 00:46:08,680
So you just slide it in there,
and then...
768
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:10,160
- And it's taken care of?
- Yeah.
769
00:46:12,240 --> 00:46:13,800
Okay, Reality.
770
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:16,680
Are you sure
that's what you did with it?
771
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:17,760
Yes.
772
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:19,880
You're positive?
773
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:22,280
- Yes.
- You didn't take it
774
00:46:22,360 --> 00:46:23,920
- out of the building?
- No.
775
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,656
You didn't take it out of
the building and give it to anybody?
776
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:27,960
- No.
- You didn't send it?
777
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,360
- No.
- You didn't send it to anyone?
778
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:31,440
No.
779
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:34,040
Reality, can you
guess how many people
780
00:46:34,120 --> 00:46:35,560
might have printed out that article?
781
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:39,360
- No.
- It's not many.
782
00:46:40,600 --> 00:46:43,480
That article has made it
outside of NSA, okay?
783
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,280
Obviously, because we're here.
784
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:49,920
And the most likely candidate,
by far and away
785
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:51,600
is you.
786
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,240
So... now, I... don't think...
787
00:46:57,240 --> 00:46:58,640
I don't think you're, you know
788
00:46:58,720 --> 00:47:01,440
a big bad master spy
or anything, okay?
789
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:02,960
I don't. I don't think that.
790
00:47:03,040 --> 00:47:04,376
I think that I've looked
at the evidence
791
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,400
and it's compelling.
792
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:09,200
Now, I'm not sure why you did it
793
00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:11,440
and I'm curious as to that
794
00:47:11,520 --> 00:47:13,880
but I think you might've been angry
795
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:16,040
over everything
that's going on politics-wise.
796
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,360
Because you can't turn on...
797
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:21,680
You can't turn on the TV
without getting pissed off.
798
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:23,600
Or at least I can't.
799
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:26,680
I think you might've
just made a mistake.
800
00:47:28,040 --> 00:47:29,960
Now, why I'm here
and why I wanna talk to you
801
00:47:30,040 --> 00:47:32,840
is to figure out
the why behind this, okay?
802
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:36,000
So, I ask you again.
803
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,120
Did you take it out and send it?
804
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:43,920
I didn't.
805
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:46,680
I put it in the burn bag.
806
00:47:46,760 --> 00:47:48,920
I mean, I'm trying to deploy.
807
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,856
I'm not trying to be
a whistleblower. That's crazy.
808
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,400
So how would you think that
a document would end up getting out?
809
00:47:54,040 --> 00:47:55,040
I mean...
810
00:47:55,240 --> 00:47:56,280
I mean...
811
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,240
Let's be honest, there's...
812
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,320
there's little to no security
on documents.
813
00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:05,320
I... I mean, nobody pats you down.
814
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:06,576
We talk about it
all the time at work.
815
00:48:06,600 --> 00:48:09,016
Like, oh, you have to show our lunch.
Oh, "You eat so healthy."
816
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Like, every day, all the time,
and people just... this...
817
00:48:12,400 --> 00:48:15,400
I mean, we have a building
full of geniuses, right?
818
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:17,440
And, I mean, I guess, I'm just...
819
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,960
I'm talking and I'm nervous
820
00:48:20,040 --> 00:48:22,360
but I didn't...
I didn't do anything with it.
821
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:24,920
I mean, I'm trying to go
somewhere else.
822
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:26,800
I'm trying to increase my clearance.
823
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,040
I mean... and I know it was sensitive
824
00:48:29,120 --> 00:48:30,776
and I thought it would be cool
to have on my desk
825
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,256
- for a couple of days.
- Okay. But do you remember...
826
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:34,520
You said you remember
putting it in the burn bag?
827
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:35,656
- Yeah.
- Just sliding it in there?
828
00:48:35,680 --> 00:48:37,920
- Okay.
- I remember that. Folded it in half.
829
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:40,560
Folded in half?
830
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:45,120
Yeah.
831
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:46,400
Yeah.
832
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:48,040
Because it didn't...
833
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,120
Yeah, I folded it in half.
834
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,600
What if I tell you that that document
835
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:57,440
folded in half
836
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:00,160
made its way outside of NSA?
837
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:03,496
I don't... I don't know that.
838
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:06,440
It made its way out in an envelope,
post-marked Augusta, Georgia.
839
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:09,840
See, things are starting
to get a little specific.
840
00:49:12,680 --> 00:49:13,680
- Yeah.
- It made its way
841
00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:15,840
to an online news source
that you subscribe to.
842
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:17,840
Getting really specific.
843
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:21,720
So, I'm gonna ask you again.
844
00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:29,600
What is very, very...
845
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:32,400
What's very compelling...
846
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:37,920
I'd like to know the reason,
because I...
847
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,080
I don't think you make
a habit out of this.
848
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:43,000
At all. At all.
849
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:45,440
I think you just...
850
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:47,680
messed up.
851
00:49:48,800 --> 00:49:50,056
Now, I'm not sure why you did it
852
00:49:50,080 --> 00:49:51,840
and I'd like to hear
from you on that.
853
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:55,160
But the what and the how
854
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:58,640
would you agree,
it looks awfully bad?
855
00:50:00,320 --> 00:50:01,440
It looks really bad, yeah.
856
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:05,280
If you're angry
about what's going on...
857
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:07,640
if there's anything that...
858
00:50:10,680 --> 00:50:12,840
Look, you've had a good career.
You have.
859
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:17,080
If there's something that just
pushed you over the edge on this
860
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:20,200
now is the perfect time.
861
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:22,880
This is a podium.
862
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:28,200
You know...
863
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:30,080
like...
864
00:50:31,080 --> 00:50:32,080
like he said...
865
00:50:33,240 --> 00:50:35,120
I don't think
we're coming in here to say
866
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:38,320
you're some big bad mastermind,
prolific spy kind of thing.
867
00:50:38,720 --> 00:50:41,120
I think what we both think is that
maybe you made a mistake.
868
00:50:42,280 --> 00:50:44,040
Maybe you weren't thinking
for a minute.
869
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:45,480
Maybe you got angry, like he said.
870
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:49,160
I mean, that's what I'm hoping.
871
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:51,360
If that... that's the case
872
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:52,936
then that makes us
feel a little better
873
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,160
knowing we don't have
a real serious problem here.
874
00:50:57,480 --> 00:50:59,920
You know, that's something
that concerns us, too
875
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:03,560
that this isn't an ongoing problem.
876
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:05,560
But we need to figure it out.
877
00:51:06,040 --> 00:51:07,840
And if it was a mistake
878
00:51:09,960 --> 00:51:11,040
let's deal with it.
879
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:13,480
Is this...
880
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:15,480
Is this a room?
881
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:18,440
Is that a room?
882
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,360
So how'd you get it out
of the office?
883
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:51,800
Folded in half in my pantyhose.
884
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:07,520
Okay.
885
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:10,000
And what did you do with it?
886
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:21,560
I put it in an envelope
and sent it to...
887
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,520
Anybody specifically there?
888
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,000
I don't think I put a name.
I just put...
889
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,136
Had you communicated with them
prior to you doing that once?
890
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,200
No. I wasn't trying to be
a Snowden or anything.
891
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:32,736
And that's what...
I don't think you were either.
892
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,160
I really don't, but...
893
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,080
I think you made a mistake.
894
00:52:36,720 --> 00:52:40,080
But I don't think either one of us
895
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,080
think you're trying to be Snowden.
896
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,960
No, it was just the one document
897
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:47,640
- and like you said, because...
- Right.
898
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:51,160
I've had a really hard time at work.
899
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:53,840
I've filed formal complaints
900
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,000
about them having Fox News on
all the time.
901
00:52:57,240 --> 00:52:59,800
And... and, like, for God's sake,
put Al Jazeera on
902
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:01,800
or a slideshow of people's pets.
903
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,456
Like, I've tried everything
to get that changed.
904
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,456
That would probably be a good thing.
Unfortunately, it doesn't matter
905
00:53:05,480 --> 00:53:07,640
which side you're watching,
they're all pretty bad.
906
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:09,440
But...
907
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:28,400
Where did you mail it from?
908
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,560
A mailbox on Baston Road.
909
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:42,200
Okay.
910
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:45,240
It's the shopping center
with the bank
911
00:53:45,320 --> 00:53:48,240
and the Earth Fare grocery store.
912
00:53:48,320 --> 00:53:49,880
Okay. I know
where you're talking about.
913
00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,840
At the intersection of Baston Road
and Fury's Ferry.
914
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:55,600
- Fury's Ferry. Okay.
- I never could say that right.
915
00:53:56,080 --> 00:53:57,280
Fury's Ferry.
916
00:53:57,360 --> 00:54:00,160
And it was just a mailbox sitting out
in the middle of the parking lot?
917
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:01,600
Just a metal box.
918
00:54:04,120 --> 00:54:05,720
- Okay.
- Okay.
919
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:14,960
Do you remember what day it was?
920
00:54:17,760 --> 00:54:19,280
What day of the week was the 9th?
921
00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,200
Let's see...
922
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:22,880
We'll check.
923
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:25,656
Do you need some water
or something?
924
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:26,680
I'd like some water
925
00:54:26,760 --> 00:54:28,216
once we figure out
what day of the week it was.
926
00:54:28,240 --> 00:54:30,440
- Okay.
- Let's see, I wanna say it was...
927
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:32,480
If I can figure out
this crazy phone...
928
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,080
- I wanna say it was a Tuesday.
- Tuesday.
929
00:54:36,600 --> 00:54:38,480
Is there something significant
about the 9th
930
00:54:38,560 --> 00:54:39,600
- in other ways?
- No.
931
00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,280
It was probably
just the first day I saw it.
932
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:46,560
If... It might've been
the 11th or the 12th.
933
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,520
If I subbed yoga
on the night of the 11th
934
00:54:50,600 --> 00:54:52,320
then the yoga studio is right there.
935
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:54,000
So it would've been
a Thursday or Friday?
936
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:55,880
- Thursday or Friday.
- Okay.
937
00:54:56,880 --> 00:54:57,960
What yoga studio?
938
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,000
It's called, "Oh, Yeah Yoga".
939
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,640
So, you said maybe
you mailed it Thursday or Friday?
940
00:55:06,200 --> 00:55:07,200
Okay.
941
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:08,920
How did you know to...
942
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:11,760
mail it to...
943
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:45,480
So you wanted to
be able to publish it?
944
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:47,760
Yeah.
945
00:55:48,360 --> 00:55:49,760
Did you send it anywhere else?
946
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:51,040
- No.
- No?
947
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,880
No other publications
you've shown it to or given it to?
948
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:55,960
No.
949
00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:58,136
Is there gonna be anything here
950
00:55:58,160 --> 00:55:59,416
that we're gonna be
surprised to find?
951
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,240
No, I never took the document
out of my car.
952
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,240
Is there anything on your phone
or your computer?
953
00:56:04,640 --> 00:56:07,960
On my phone, you might...
I don't know if I deleted it
954
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:10,560
but you guys are probably gonna
be able to see it anyway, but...
955
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:12,760
there will be a screenshot
of the address.
956
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:18,360
- Okay.
- Okay.
957
00:56:20,240 --> 00:56:21,560
You mentioned
you want some water?
958
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:23,640
Yeah.
959
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:26,560
- Yeah, why don't we...
- No, I'll make it.
960
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:29,480
I'm just gonna
get somebody out here.
961
00:56:32,800 --> 00:56:34,520
Hey, can I have somebody
in here, please?
962
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,560
Do you want a bottle of water?
963
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:43,296
Do you have a filter in the fridge,
or do you just want tap water?
964
00:56:43,320 --> 00:56:47,960
Tap water. There's a mason jar
or glass next to the sink.
965
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:51,056
Can I get one person
to just stand here, please
966
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:52,160
so I can go to the kitchen?
967
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:20,040
Do you guys...
968
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,200
You're not gonna
fit in there anymore.
969
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:25,680
She's not gonna fit in there anymore.
970
00:57:32,120 --> 00:57:33,400
She still under the bed?
971
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:35,320
The cat?
972
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,120
Is the cat still under the bed?
973
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,040
She's a big girl.
974
00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:50,480
- Oh, yeah. We're trying.
- How old is she?
975
00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:56,320
She's three years now.
976
00:58:02,080 --> 00:58:04,200
- But girl likes to eat.
- Oh, yeah.
977
00:58:05,120 --> 00:58:06,320
She likes carbs.
978
00:58:06,600 --> 00:58:08,320
She's got a little slim fit on her.
979
00:58:09,840 --> 00:58:11,240
When she came out, I was like...
980
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,960
Yeah, she will snatch bread
right out of my mouth, like...
981
00:58:18,880 --> 00:58:20,760
"Girl, you do not need those."
982
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:44,920
Water.
983
00:58:51,160 --> 00:58:52,160
Thanks.
984
00:58:58,040 --> 00:59:00,280
So other than the screenshot
on the phone
985
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:01,680
there shouldn't be anything else?
986
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,576
And there should be
nothing on the laptop?
987
00:59:03,600 --> 00:59:04,600
Nothing on the laptop.
988
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:09,720
I do have a TOR browser.
989
00:59:14,760 --> 00:59:18,440
Which probably looks bad, but...
990
00:59:19,880 --> 00:59:20,880
Okay.
991
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:24,760
What do you use a TOR browser for?
992
00:59:52,400 --> 00:59:54,320
Have you had any contact
with anyone from...
993
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:04,880
The Intercept?
994
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:07,760
Have you tried to reach out?
995
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:11,040
Like you said, I saw the article
996
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:13,120
and I couldn't believe
it wasn't a thing.
997
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:15,240
It made you mad.
998
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,240
It made me very mad.
999
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:24,520
The theory that Russian interference
helped him win the election.
1000
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,120
Russia/Cybersecurity.
1001
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:31,160
Main Intelligence Directorate
cyber actors [redacted]
1002
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:34,360
target US companies and local
US government officials
1003
01:00:34,440 --> 01:00:36,920
using voter registration-
themed emails
1004
01:00:37,120 --> 01:00:39,880
spoof election-related products
and services
1005
01:00:39,960 --> 01:00:42,320
research absentee
ballot email addresses
1006
01:00:42,400 --> 01:00:43,680
August to November 2016.
1007
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,920
If anybody could show me
that the Russians got into
1008
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:47,600
any voting machine
anywhere in America
1009
01:00:47,680 --> 01:00:49,160
- Nobody is saying...
- and hacked it.
1010
01:00:49,240 --> 01:00:50,536
Well, that's how you
hack an election, Bill.
1011
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:52,880
No, no, that's one way
you can hack an election.
1012
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,240
Russian General Staff
Main Intelligence Directorate actors
1013
01:00:56,320 --> 01:00:59,680
[redacted] executed
cyber espionage operations
1014
01:00:59,760 --> 01:01:02,680
against a named US company
in August 2016
1015
01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:05,280
evidently to obtain information
1016
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:08,000
on elections-related
software and hardware solutions
1017
01:01:08,520 --> 01:01:11,840
according to information that
became available in April 2017.
1018
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:13,976
- What kind of attack...
- You're jumping to conclusions.
1019
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,040
No, there's no jump...
I'm simply telling you...
1020
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,480
There's not one shred of evidence
1021
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:20,480
{\an5}- tying Russia to a hacking...
- Okay.
1022
01:01:20,560 --> 01:01:22,440
{\an5}Given the content
of the malicious email
1023
01:01:22,520 --> 01:01:24,920
it was likely that the threat actor
was targeting officials
1024
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,040
involved in the management of
voter-registration systems.
1025
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,440
It is unknown whether
the aforementioned spear-phishing
1026
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,400
deployment successfully compromised
the intended victims
1027
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:36,800
and what potential data could have
been accessed by the cyber actor.
1028
01:01:38,240 --> 01:01:39,240
It was right there.
1029
01:01:41,600 --> 01:01:44,560
And I just... I didn't care
about myself at that point.
1030
01:01:46,080 --> 01:01:48,720
When did you realize the technical
capabilities of that article?
1031
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:50,640
Sources and methods?
1032
01:01:51,080 --> 01:01:53,840
Sources and methods
are valuable to adversaries.
1033
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:56,520
Yeah.
1034
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,320
Okay. With that in mind
1035
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,640
why did you make the decision
to send it anyway?
1036
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:05,720
Honestly, I just figured that
1037
01:02:05,800 --> 01:02:07,960
whatever we were using
had already been compromised.
1038
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,800
And that this report would
just be like one drop in a bucket.
1039
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:22,520
Is there anything else
you wanna tell me?
1040
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:24,720
Say?
1041
01:02:26,000 --> 01:02:27,000
Talk about why?
1042
01:02:36,400 --> 01:02:37,440
No, it was just...
1043
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:41,760
Yeah, just that day...
1044
01:02:42,920 --> 01:02:43,920
that week...
1045
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:47,840
It was just too much to sit back
and watch it and think..
1046
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:51,880
"Why do I have this job
if I'm going to be helpless?"
1047
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:54,480
It was just...
1048
01:02:56,640 --> 01:02:57,640
Sorry.
1049
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,200
It was just the final straw.
1050
01:03:03,280 --> 01:03:05,040
Was there something that just...
1051
01:03:06,480 --> 01:03:07,720
just did it?
1052
01:03:09,600 --> 01:03:11,280
Because you don't seem
the type to do this.
1053
01:03:12,200 --> 01:03:13,200
I'm not.
1054
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:15,240
I'm not.
1055
01:03:17,360 --> 01:03:19,640
I wanna go out
with our Special Forces.
1056
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:23,200
I mean, that's why
I got out of the Air Force. I...
1057
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,760
That's why...
that's why I'm here in Augusta.
1058
01:03:25,840 --> 01:03:28,840
I was trying to get my clearance back
so I could get deployments.
1059
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,360
It just was at a time I wasn't
applying for deployments. I...
1060
01:03:33,360 --> 01:03:36,160
I had seven, eight months
left of a job that
1061
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,280
didn't mean anything to me,
because it's Iran
1062
01:03:38,360 --> 01:03:39,400
and I'm a Pashto linguist.
1063
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:41,440
Like, what am I doing
translating Farsi?
1064
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:42,840
I just...
1065
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:46,000
I felt hopeless.
1066
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:49,840
And just seeing that information
be contested back and forth...
1067
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,960
back and forth in the public domain
1068
01:03:52,040 --> 01:03:54,016
with everything else that just
keeps getting released
1069
01:03:54,040 --> 01:03:55,840
and everything that
keeps getting leaked, like
1070
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:58,200
why can't this get out there?
1071
01:03:58,280 --> 01:03:59,680
Why can't this be public?
1072
01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:07,440
Were you surprised to see us today?
1073
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:13,720
Yeah. Actually, I thought
1074
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:17,480
you were here to ask about the house,
because it's still for lease online.
1075
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,160
Because you didn't seem surprised
when we pulled up.
1076
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:23,920
Oh, God, that's just 'cause
I have a resting bitch face.
1077
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:26,920
And you guys turned around, and...
1078
01:04:28,200 --> 01:04:31,040
then, "FBI!" I was like,
"What is going on," you know?
1079
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:34,720
And then you showed
your badge right up, and...
1080
01:04:38,240 --> 01:04:40,960
I submitted
my security packet yesterday
1081
01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,040
for my clearance on E-QIP.
So I thought...
1082
01:04:44,320 --> 01:04:45,680
that was what's it for.
1083
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:48,560
I was like, "Why are you guys
questioning me for my own clearance?"
1084
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:49,680
- But...
- Okay.
1085
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:53,280
That's not gonna happen.
1086
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:57,400
Anything else you can think of?
1087
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,440
What we have to do is
we have to do the search.
1088
01:05:00,520 --> 01:05:01,520
Of course.
1089
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:02,880
You said...
1090
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:07,960
Sorry. I have a sinus infection
1091
01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,120
- so I sound...
- It's okay.
1092
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:11,080
I sound awful.
1093
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:13,720
Well, this is the best room
to be in it with.
1094
01:05:14,840 --> 01:05:16,280
Do you remember the site
from memory?
1095
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:21,280
If you scroll down to the bottom,
there's "Contact"
1096
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:24,120
but it's not as obvious as you think
because it's closer.
1097
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:26,880
How long did it take you to find it?
1098
01:05:29,640 --> 01:05:32,640
About probably
three minutes of scrolling, which...
1099
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:35,120
felt like an eternity
sitting in my car.
1100
01:05:37,120 --> 01:05:38,200
- Okay.
- Yeah.
1101
01:05:40,160 --> 01:05:41,880
You said the document
stayed in your car.
1102
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:46,800
- Yeah.
- Where did you get the envelope?
1103
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,120
The box of envelopes is...
1104
01:05:53,040 --> 01:05:54,600
It's on the back seat in the car
1105
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:57,040
behind the driver's seat. I...
1106
01:05:58,240 --> 01:06:01,280
I had a bunch of forms
I had to mail out last December.
1107
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,080
So it's been in my car
since December.
1108
01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:04,560
Okay.
1109
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:06,080
And the stamps?
1110
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:07,960
Stamps.
1111
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,880
I think I have about
one or two left in there
1112
01:06:11,960 --> 01:06:14,080
but I keep stamps in the glove box
1113
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:17,560
in case I have to mail anything out,
like bills and stuff.
1114
01:06:17,880 --> 01:06:19,520
Okay. In your glove box?
1115
01:06:20,120 --> 01:06:21,120
In the glove box, yeah.
1116
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:23,080
All right.
1117
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:25,096
I'm trying to think
if I have anything else.
1118
01:06:25,120 --> 01:06:27,480
The search,
the guys will continue the search.
1119
01:06:28,280 --> 01:06:29,960
They'll search
the vehicle and the house
1120
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:32,040
and they'll photograph everything.
1121
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,240
You... The search team leader
1122
01:06:35,520 --> 01:06:37,240
is gonna sit down with you
and go through...
1123
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,680
Do you have any questions for me?
1124
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:53,280
So many.
1125
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,880
This sounds really bad.
1126
01:07:00,120 --> 01:07:01,480
Am I going to jail tonight?
1127
01:07:04,560 --> 01:07:06,160
I don't know
how to answer that yet.
1128
01:07:06,720 --> 01:07:08,280
- Okay.
- What was the question?
1129
01:07:08,360 --> 01:07:10,200
If she's going to jail tonight.
1130
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:12,480
Said I don't have
the answer to that quite yet.
1131
01:07:14,640 --> 01:07:16,560
Of course,
the search is still going on.
1132
01:07:17,560 --> 01:07:18,600
In the case that...
1133
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:21,200
I don't have memorized...
1134
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,680
The woman, her name is Cathy
1135
01:07:24,280 --> 01:07:26,760
she works at the Augusta
Humane Society.
1136
01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:28,376
- Okay.
- She can come and pick up the dog
1137
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:30,480
in the case that
I'm not here tonight.
1138
01:07:30,560 --> 01:07:31,800
Well, let's don't...
1139
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,720
- Okay.
- Yeah.
1140
01:07:34,440 --> 01:07:36,640
Let's don't put the cart
before the horse right now.
1141
01:07:37,320 --> 01:07:38,320
Okay.
1142
01:07:38,920 --> 01:07:39,920
Okay?
1143
01:07:40,960 --> 01:07:41,960
I just...
1144
01:07:42,360 --> 01:07:43,816
- My only concern is getting her
- I understand.
1145
01:07:43,840 --> 01:07:46,121
And then maybe one more phone call
to get the cat covered.
1146
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:47,440
We'll figure that out.
1147
01:07:47,520 --> 01:07:49,400
If it comes to that...
1148
01:07:50,080 --> 01:07:51,920
well, we'll figure that out.
1149
01:07:52,000 --> 01:07:54,056
And I don't have the answer
to that yet. And I'm going to...
1150
01:07:54,080 --> 01:07:56,320
We'll... we'll cross that bridge
when we get to it, okay?
1151
01:07:56,480 --> 01:07:57,480
Okay.
1152
01:07:58,960 --> 01:07:59,960
What else?
1153
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:50,000
You turn it off?
1154
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:51,680
It's still recording.
1155
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:22,520
Would you like to
sit down somewhere?
1156
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:24,640
- I'm fine.
- You're fine?
1157
01:09:25,400 --> 01:09:26,400
Yeah.
1158
01:09:47,840 --> 01:09:48,840
Reality.
1159
01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,880
Hello. This is a prepaid collect call
1160
01:10:48,960 --> 01:10:52,200
from an inmate at Lincoln County Jail
in Lincolnton, Georgia.
1161
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:54,760
This call is subject to recording
and monitoring.
1162
01:10:54,840 --> 01:10:57,000
To accept charges, press 1.
1163
01:10:57,080 --> 01:10:58,560
As soon as Mom and Gary
get to Georgia
1164
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,080
they're gonna pick up Mina at least.
1165
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:02,496
And Mickey will stay back
with the shelter
1166
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:04,200
but they're safe in the house.
1167
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:06,856
Everyone was really worried
about them
1168
01:11:06,880 --> 01:11:08,000
when they searched my house.
1169
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:10,280
Bunch of dog people.
1170
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:13,320
Yeah, I mean,
that was the one thing, like
1171
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:14,840
when the FBI was interrogating me
1172
01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,680
they were just like, "Look,
we have everything. We're just..."
1173
01:11:18,600 --> 01:11:19,720
We just wanna know why."
1174
01:11:20,720 --> 01:11:21,720
You know what I mean?
1175
01:11:23,280 --> 01:11:24,800
They didn't care about anything else
1176
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,720
they were just straight-up
curious to know why.
1177
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:27,920
They say Reality Winner
1178
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:29,000
has two faces.
1179
01:11:29,080 --> 01:11:30,520
One, an Air Force veteran
1180
01:11:30,600 --> 01:11:31,600
a loving daughter
1181
01:11:31,680 --> 01:11:32,680
and a yoga instructor.
1182
01:11:32,760 --> 01:11:33,760
The other, a person
1183
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,000
who had taken a keen interest
1184
01:11:35,080 --> 01:11:36,080
in the Middle East
1185
01:11:36,160 --> 01:11:37,160
with suspicious motives.
1186
01:11:37,240 --> 01:11:38,520
When asked by the FBI
1187
01:11:39,320 --> 01:11:42,120
Winner stated that
she knew the intelligence report
1188
01:11:42,200 --> 01:11:45,400
revealed sources and methods
1189
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:48,600
used by the US intelligence agencies
1190
01:11:49,080 --> 01:11:52,400
and she knew that compromising
those sources and methods
1191
01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:54,840
could be valuable to our adversaries
1192
01:11:54,920 --> 01:11:56,600
and damage the United States.
1193
01:11:57,320 --> 01:11:59,720
She claimed to hate America.
1194
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:04,240
When asked, "You don't really
hate America, right?"
1195
01:12:05,240 --> 01:12:06,320
She responded
1196
01:12:06,880 --> 01:12:08,200
"I mean, yeah, I do.
1197
01:12:08,280 --> 01:12:11,880
It's literally the worst thing
to happen on the planet."
1198
01:12:13,200 --> 01:12:15,080
She was a quintessential example
1199
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:17,160
of an insider threat.
1200
01:12:17,480 --> 01:12:20,240
She's obviously
an intemperate political activist.
1201
01:12:20,320 --> 01:12:22,280
How did she get a security clearance?
1202
01:12:22,360 --> 01:12:23,736
Well, you could ask the same question
1203
01:12:23,760 --> 01:12:26,080
about a lot of people
working in government right now.
1204
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:30,360
I keep telling myself to act more
like I think I did something wrong.
1205
01:12:31,600 --> 01:12:33,480
We are more concerned with the leaks
1206
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:37,480
than we are with the fact that
the Russians attacked our democracy
1207
01:12:37,560 --> 01:12:40,120
and that the president's campaign
may have participated in it.
1208
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,440
- They didn't attack our democracy.
- They did.
1209
01:12:43,160 --> 01:12:45,360
If you look at this,
it's sort of like The Intercept
1210
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:47,760
knowingly or unknowingly
1211
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:49,920
outed their own source.
1212
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,240
I mean, it made no sense.
1213
01:12:51,320 --> 01:12:52,840
Like, is it that...
Are you that inept?
1214
01:12:52,880 --> 01:12:55,840
- Sloppy, irresponsible, what is it?
- Both.
1215
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:57,600
{\an5}As a journalist, we count on people
1216
01:12:57,640 --> 01:12:58,640
{\an5}to leak us information
1217
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,200
that's vital for our democracy
to function.
1218
01:13:01,480 --> 01:13:03,360
Knowing what happened
with the Russian hack
1219
01:13:03,440 --> 01:13:05,080
was a very important thing.
1220
01:13:05,160 --> 01:13:08,440
Now, she did violate
the rules of her employment
1221
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,320
but this penalty that she's gotten
1222
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:12,520
five years, is exceedingly long
1223
01:13:12,600 --> 01:13:13,960
one of the longest penalties.
1224
01:13:14,040 --> 01:13:16,840
And it's obviously there
to create a...
1225
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:18,920
you know, a chilling effect, right?
1226
01:13:19,000 --> 01:13:20,840
So that other people don't do this
1227
01:13:20,920 --> 01:13:22,360
and we stay in the dark.
1228
01:13:22,440 --> 01:13:24,160
You have one minute remaining
on your call.
1229
01:13:24,680 --> 01:13:25,720
You have one minute left.
1230
01:13:25,800 --> 01:13:27,960
If you could just
get that message to Lane.
1231
01:13:28,040 --> 01:13:29,080
Yeah, I will.
1232
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:31,680
All right.
I really appreciate it, Brittany.
1233
01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:32,760
Yeah, of course.
1234
01:13:32,840 --> 01:13:34,880
- I'm just sorry that...
- Oh, one more name, Don Z.
1235
01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:37,040
- Last name starts with a Z.
- Okay.
1236
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:39,840
Tell him I'm probably
not gonna talk to him again
1237
01:13:39,920 --> 01:13:41,040
but that I'm...
1238
01:13:41,880 --> 01:13:44,320
I'm doing push-ups like crazy,
and that I'm gonna miss him.
1239
01:13:44,840 --> 01:13:45,880
Just let him know that.
1240
01:13:45,960 --> 01:13:47,440
Obviously been recording.
1241
01:13:48,760 --> 01:13:49,840
I'm going to...
1242
01:13:51,320 --> 01:13:53,120
- What's up?
- Going to end the recording.
1243
01:13:53,200 --> 01:13:55,240
- And stop the interview.
- I think so.
1244
01:13:55,440 --> 01:14:00,720
So this is at five...
let's call it 5.17pm
1245
01:14:01,480 --> 01:14:04,320
ceasing recording on June third.