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And now
to an unbelievable hoax
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that police say
many people fell victim to.
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A caller pretending to be
a police officer was convincing enough
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to talk some managers
into sexually abusing fast food employees.
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If I didn't submit to this search,
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then I'd be
either arrested or lose my job or both.
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Couple police officers telling me
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there's a video of what happened here.
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I'd never seen anything like it
and I still haven't in 30 years.
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Who is this?
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The caller, of course,
has committed the perfect crime
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because he's completely anonymous.
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We have a sexual predator
on the loose
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-and the phone's still ringing every day.
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It was about a ten-hour drive
from Florida back to Kentucky.
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I'm thinking
I've got a guy in the back seat
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that has pulled this off for ten years
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and, hell, he got away with causing
some pretty awful crimes to be committed.
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We felt like all the evidence pointed
to him being the hoax caller. Nobody else.
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It was tense at first.
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We were just talking about stuff
in general.
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He'd been working as a corrections officer
for quite some time in Panama City.
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Before that, he delivered propane
for this propane company.
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He seemed to be the average guy
that you would see.
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An average Joe on the street.
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Even his co-workers at work
probably thought he was a nice guy.
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We talked about his family some,
and asked him how many kids he had,
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and some of that kind of chitchat.
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David Stewart was not
what I was expecting.
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I was surprised to find out
he was married and had kids.
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I figured he was a lone wolf, you know?
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Sitting in his apartment somewhere,
practicing his art.
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And you know what?
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Maybe he just told the wife
he's working overtime.
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Maybe told her he's working that night.
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Is he, like, two different people
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and the family don't know
the other side of him?
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I think David Stewart
probably wanted to be a police officer
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more than anything in life.
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He went to the academy.
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He was obsessed with having the power
over people, of the authoritative figure.
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I got the feeling
like he thought he was one of us.
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I think it started getting real for him
as we were getting closer to Kentucky.
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We put him in jail and now I'm thinking,
"What are you thinking, sucker?"
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"Thought you're going to get away with it.
But now your ass is sitting in a place
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650 miles from home,
and you don't know nobody."
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"How's it feel?"
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David Stewart was charged
with solicitation of sodomy.
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He might not have been
in the room when Louise was assaulted,
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but if he bought the calling card
and made the call,
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that alone is solicitation.
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He was also charged
with impersonating a peace officer.
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These are very serious felony charges
that he's looking at.
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I felt satisfaction. He's behind bars.
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No other victim
is going to fall prey to him.
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That was a huge relief
that we have the individual
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we believed made these phone calls
in jail and awaiting trial.
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After we put him in jail,
some time goes by
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and then I found out
that he's got a big-dog defense attorney.
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It was a bizarre case
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that I've never seen
anything like it in 30 years.
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David's brother called me
and asked me to take the case.
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I thought it was… Somebody was playing
a practical joke or something on me
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because these things were alleged
to have occurred over the phone.
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And if you think about it,
it would be very difficult
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to sexually assault someone
over the phone.
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My initial reaction was,
"Well, you can't do that over the phone."
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"It's not possible under the statute."
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David's bail was
a half million dollars initially.
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This is a guy who's never charged
with a crime in his life.
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Never had a speeding ticket.
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And so, a half-million-dollar bond
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was an extraordinarily high bond,
in the first place.
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The judge set the bond on a warrant.
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And I think the reason he set it
at a half a million dollars
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is because if this guy was to get out,
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and he's 600 and some miles from home,
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he might go on the run,
he might do whatever.
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He'd be a flight risk.
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And it was important that we get
a bail that the family could post.
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Ultimately, I think
it was reduced to a $100,000.
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Next thing I know,
he got out on bail.
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He's out of jail and he's gone.
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I was upset with the fact
that he was walking around free,
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but I'm thinking,
"Okay, take your last walk."
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"Enjoy, buddy, because we'll meet again."
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Today, we're gonna talk about
prank calls that take it way too far.
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In fact, these calls
are plain sadistic and cruel.
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I'm Javier Leiva, and this is Pretend.
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Stories about real people
pretending to be someone else.
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When I started looking into this,
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it was shocking that
there was even one hoax call like this.
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But then, come to find out that there were
over 100 calls just like this
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in 32 states,
and it went on for more than ten years.
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It was the Mount Washington case
with Louise Ogborn
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that caught worldwide attention.
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It was shocking to know that a hoax call
could be so sadistic and go this far.
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It is incredible how long
this guy got away with it.
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God knows how many other calls happened
that just weren't reported.
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So many victims
went through these horrible ordeals.
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It shows people weren't warned
about the dangers of the hoax caller.
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And I'll tell you, from my research…
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I traveled the United States,
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and I stopped at
different fast food restaurants.
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And I very casually asked the managers,
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"Hey, have you heard of these prank calls
that have been happening?"
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And they're like, "No, never heard
of it." It was news to them.
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Even today, people aren't aware of it,
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which just shows
how it kept happening and happening.
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Somebody had to be held accountable
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for what happened
to all these different people.
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So, at the time,
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I had no idea this had happened
to anyone else anywhere, at all.
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The manager, he lost his job,
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but they never officially charged him
with anything that I'm aware of.
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The Taco Bell was a franchise,
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so I decided to sue the franchise owner
as well as my manager.
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It was pretty clear that
they were just worried about
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a lawsuit pretty much
right out of the gate.
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They didn't care about her well-being.
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They were basically gonna make it out
that she was complicit in what happened.
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My attorney told me
that it very well could happen
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that they would try
to attack my character.
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From what I understand,
they were trying to get the notes
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from Deborah's therapy sessions
to bring those into court.
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I think it was a ploy to ensure
that Deborah wasn't going to testify.
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And if Deborah didn't testify,
there was no case.
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The judge
and the other attorney,
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they just sort of blamed me, in a way.
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The case was thrown out,
in part,
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because either Deborah
wouldn't testify or wouldn't answer
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the questions that they were asking her.
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She didn't want to recount
all of this stuff
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in front of a room full of strangers.
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I was embarrassed,
I didn't want to go through it.
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It was all too much and I was not
willing or able, probably, to do it.
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The judge said…
And I actually have it on my phone.
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He said "courts should not be used
to propagate
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a culture of victimology/entitlement
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that degrades the sense
of individual responsibility and hard work
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on which this great nation was founded."
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"The best lessons learned
are usually the most expensive."
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"At tremendous expense,
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plaintiff will hopefully have learned
to think for herself."
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Basically, "Shame on you,
hope you learn a lesson."
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Months later, they kinda just were like,
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"Oh, by the way, we found out the caller
was a prison guard in Florida."
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And that was all I knew.
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When there's no justice,
when the police don't do anything,
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the DA doesn't do anything,
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it doesn't feel or doesn't seem at all
like there's gonna be any effort
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to do anything
to dissuade this from happening again.
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And that's exactly what happened.
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It's a very flawed system
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that a very healthy percentage of people
never get any sort of justice
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and never any attempt at real justice.
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The criminal trial
of David Stewart
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was what everybody was talking about,
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but the real villain here
is not just the prank caller.
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I mean, what they did is horrible,
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but McDonald's, in a way, are just as
complicit for allowing this to continue.
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Louise decides
she's gonna go after the Goliath.
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She's going to go after McDonald's
and she's gonna get some kind of justice.
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Her name, Louise Ogborn.
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The company, McDonald's.
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The two, once employee and employer,
now defendant and plaintiff.
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All Louise Ogborn wanted
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was McDonald's to acknowledge
they were culpable in this whole thing.
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She just wanted an apology
for ruining her life.
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This could be the first time
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anyone involved in one of these hoaxes
has managed to get to trial.
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I think Louise was a brave person.
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Now she's got to go on the witness stand
to seal the deal on this thing.
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So Louise Ogborn
hires an attorney named Ann Oldfather
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and they'd sue McDonald's for $200 million
and that's a lot of money.
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McDonald's has this searchlight of blame
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and it's going on everybody else
except the Golden Arches.
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Ann Oldfather is known
for being a fierce litigator.
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Your verdict can measure the harm
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that's been done to Louise,
in this community.
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This was, without a doubt,
the biggest civil case
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ever tried in Bullitt County.
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$200 million?
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I think the fact
that they even asked for that much
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tells you what this case is all about.
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All rise, please.
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My name's Tom McDonald.
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I served as a judge
for 25 years in Louisville, Kentucky.
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Please be seated.
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I never thought
this case would get to trial
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because the facts are so bizarre.
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There was an awful lot at stake.
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Here you have
an 18-year-old woman,
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from a small town,
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who's going up against
one of the biggest companies in the world.
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My thought is that
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they were gonna do everything
in their power to make her go away.
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Now, Fox News at 10:00.
Your first choice for news.
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There's a new development
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in the legal fallout
from a strip search hoax
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at a McDonald's restaurant
in Mount Washington.
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One of the private detectives
hired by McDonald's
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was arrested
for impersonating an officer
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when he was serving a subpoena
on one of Louise's friends.
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There are charges
that McDonald's is intimidating witnesses,
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and at least one bailiff,
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hired by the restaurant chain's attorneys,
has been arrested.
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You gotta wonder
if McDonald's strategy
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was to victim shame Louise Ogborn.
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They went after her therapy notes,
they went after her Myspace account.
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And I think they wanted to pin this
on everyone but themselves.
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McDonald's claimed it only had
a few documents about the prior hoaxes,
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but Ann Oldfather did not believe that.
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And she started researching this
and showed how many cases
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there had been previously
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and how McDonald's obviously knew
of this danger, years earlier.
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Louise's case is basically that,
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you know, McDonald's had several
of these hoax callers
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and how did they tell their restaurants
about it?
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Did they do enough
to warn their employees?
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And their case was that,
"No, they did not."
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Before this case got to trial,
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Oldfather kept demanding documents
from McDonald's about these other hoaxes.
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McDonald's acknowledged
they had settled six cases
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concerning hoaxes similar to these.
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They said that's all they knew.
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But Ann Oldfather ultimately got an order
from the trial judge
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threatening McDonald's with sanctions
unless it produced what it had.
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We had an emergency hearing
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and I ordered McDonald's
to turn over all of their files.
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Forty-eight hours
before the trial started,
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McDonald's delivered her
boxes and boxes full of information,
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with no time to review it.
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Louise Ogborn's lawyer
has pages, folders,
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and boxes of paperwork
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that show McDonald's office knew
of more than two dozen strip searches
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at its restaurants across the country.
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Sixteen boxes of material
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from McDonald's attorneys,
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that we haven't even had time
to go through.
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At one point,
McDonald's was implying
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that Louise was in on the hoax
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and that she was just trying
to get money from the company.
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Come right on over there, sir.
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McDonald's got the maintenance guy,
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the guy who ended the call,
the hero who saved the day.
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They put him up on the stand in court.
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Now, Tom, were you
at the store the following date?
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Yes.
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McDonald's made
a pretty interesting, compelling case
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that maybe Louise Ogborn
was going after the money from day one.
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She said she was gonna
get a big check or some money and…
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-Louise said that?
-Yeah.
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Ann Oldfather was able to poke holes
in that testimony,
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but at the end of the day,
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you really don't know
what the jury's thinking.
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When Louise came out publicly,
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it really showed, you know,
it's not a victimless crime anymore.
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This could be my daughter.
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-Would you like to call your next witness?
-Yes, Your Honor.
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We call Louise Ogborn.
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There was a pre-trial motion
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to allow the jury to view
the actual videotape of the assault
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in its entirety.
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It was a brutal three hours.
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It was hard for me to watch.
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There was absolute silence
in the courtroom.
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The only thing you could hear
was some of the jurors crying.
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You could have heard a pin drop
other than for that.
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So what happened
when you got back to the office?
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She kind of motioned me in.
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-And you went inside?
-Yes.
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And then what happened?
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She told me
I had been accused of stealing
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some money from a customers' purse.
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I said it couldn't be me,
I wouldn't do anything like that.
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And you should know that.
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So how did that make you feel?
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One word I can think of is "devastated."
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Tell us, Louise, whether you have
any fears that come back to you.
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I'd have dreams somebody was attacking me
and I couldn't tell you who it was.
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I would avoid going to sleep at night.
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I can't breathe.
I feel like I'm hyperventilating.
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My chest starts to hurt. My arm goes numb.
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Let's not forget
that Louise is a victim of sexual assault.
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How could you not sympathize with her?
I mean, it was humiliating.
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Four employees saw her
at her most vulnerable moment,
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where she was sitting there, naked.
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I was doing
what I had to do to survive.
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I didn't know
if this was my last day on Earth.
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I didn't know if I'd make it through.
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She has been through so much trauma,
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she will never get part of her life back.
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That will always be out there.
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Did you think to tell Donna
what her fiancé was doing to you?
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He was still in the room.
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I was scared what he might do
to me and her if I did.
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He'd already hit me, beat me.
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There's no telling what he could've done
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if I stood up for myself
and tried to get help.
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Louise Ogborn and her attorney
are claiming false imprisonment,
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but McDonald's says, "That's not true."
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"Nobody physically restrained her.
She could've left any time."
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The tape shows
that you were left alone
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there in the office,
for almost ten minutes.
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Did you ever go over and try the door?
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-No. Because I thought I couldn't get out.
-I'm sorry?
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I thought
I couldn't get out.
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I think McDonald's suggestion
that she should've walked out of the room
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was perhaps a strategic error,
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to say that a young woman who had been
deprived of her clothes and her car keys
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could have
and should have put a stop to it
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when their own
adult employee supervisors didn't.
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How could McDonald's
ever have anticipated
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that on April 9, of '04, this guy
was going to call Mount Washington?
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If McDonald's really knew
what was going on,
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then they should've prepared
their employees better.
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There was a problem here
and they clearly did not get the word out
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because it kept happening and happening.
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McDonald's has taken
no responsibility for the strip search
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that led to Louise Ogborn's
monster lawsuit against them.
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And the blaming of everyone else continued
throughout their closing arguments.
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It's not too much to expect an employee
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to distinguish between right and wrong
and use their common sense.
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McDonald's tried to pin this thing
on Louise Ogborn, on Donna Summers,
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when, in reality, it was them
who did not warn their employees.
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In this case,
you see how many restaurants
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where this had happened
and how many of them were McDonald's.
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And that really kind of hits home.
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Armed with their opinions
and a list of instructions,
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jurors are deciding
if they should take a financial bite
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out of the largest fast-food chain
in the world
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and give it to former Mount Washington
restaurant crew member, Louise Ogborn.
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The jury comes back
into the courtroom.
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The foreperson of the jury
hands their verdict
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to the sheriff, and hands it to me.
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This was going to be the largest verdict
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in the history
of Bullitt County, Kentucky.
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"We the jury find for Louise Ogborn
under instruction number nine,
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and award her punitive damages
against McDonald's Corporation."
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Some serious cash is on the way
in another high profile civil suit.
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Louise Ogborn was the McDonald's employee
who was forced to strip
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after someone called the Mount Washington
restaurant, posing as a police officer.
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Louise Ogborn was awarded
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more than $6 million
in a lawsuit against McDonald's
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and others involved in the case.
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Louise has stood up
for what happened to her
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and what McDonald's failed to do
for three and a half years
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and this jury
just vindicated her completely.
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And we are so proud.
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I don't really know what to say.
I can't talk about it right now.
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It wasn't the super-sized award
Ogborn's legal team was after,
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but they're happy with the money
and the message it sends McDonald's.
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The jury,
I think they got it right.
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She deserved that and I felt like that…
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Okay, McDonald's knew this was going on
for ten years and didn't seem to stop it
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and get the word out to stop it.
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They get slapped with a $6 million bill,
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maybe they'll think
about changing training.
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McDonald's is responsible
for not protecting their employees.
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That's the number one thing.
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If they did it to protect
their bottom line and not their employees
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they're absolutely the villain in this.
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It was astounding,
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the fact that McDonald's
had been aware of this occurring
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at many of its restaurants
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and the remedy would have been very simple
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and I believe this was Miss Oldfather's…
One of her major arguments to the jury.
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It would have been simple for McDonald's
to simply notify each of the stores.
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Put up a thing by the telephone.
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Put up a sign that said
"There's a hoax caller."
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"If this occurs,
don't do anything, it's a hoax."
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But they did not warn their employees.
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Do you think
McDonald's tried to cover this up?
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I'm not gonna comment on that.
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I think what was shocking
about the civil trial
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was the details of how many
fast food joints were involved.
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And how many settlements had happened
that people didn't know about.
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You know, it's not just McDonald's.
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It almost seemed like
there was an effort to keep it quiet.
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Whether that happened or not,
we don't know,
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but there was a feeling
that's what was happening.
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We probably all individually
had the feeling
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that this was only us
and felt stupid and dumb about it.
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So you could probably interview
99 of those 100 women
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and they would feel singularly
responsible and foolish.
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Just knowing that there are more people
than just myself, that helps a lot.
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It wasn't just that they weren't
stepping up and informing people
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or providing better training or even
some kind of a warning or acknowledgement.
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And the question is
whether they were actively hiding it.
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It wasn't just about them.
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At the end of the day, the hoax caller
needs to pay for his actions.
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People were
humiliated everywhere.
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00:28:23,619 --> 00:28:25,746
They believed that David Stewart
was connected
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to all these cases, these fast food cases.
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Whether he was or not,
his name was linked to them all.
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David Stewart went back to Florida
on a lowered bond
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and that's where he remained
until they had a trial date set.
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While Stewart's out
and enjoying being back with his family,
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I'm trying make sure
I got the i's dotted, the t's crossed.
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I'm thinking, "Okay. You will take
your last walk into the courthouse,
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00:28:56,068 --> 00:28:59,280
and right on over to corrections,
that'll be the end of it."
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00:29:03,534 --> 00:29:06,704
The criminal trial starts
in October of 2006
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00:29:06,788 --> 00:29:09,624
and it's a huge deal in Bullitt County.
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00:29:09,707 --> 00:29:12,418
You've got news crews
from all over the country
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00:29:12,502 --> 00:29:15,087
following this story of a young woman
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00:29:15,171 --> 00:29:19,091
who was sexually assaulted inside
a McDonald's because of a hoax caller.
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00:29:20,051 --> 00:29:22,887
Prosecutors said
they traced prepaid phone cards,
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00:29:22,970 --> 00:29:25,723
allegedly used in the hoax,
to David Stewart,
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00:29:25,807 --> 00:29:28,184
a former Florida prison guard.
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00:29:28,684 --> 00:29:31,771
Everybody wanted to know
about David Stewart.
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Where did he live? Was he married?
Did he have children?
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He was a husband and a father of five.
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00:29:42,865 --> 00:29:44,534
And they couldn't find anybody to say
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00:29:44,617 --> 00:29:46,786
anything bad about him
around his community.
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00:29:46,869 --> 00:29:48,454
People liked him.
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00:29:49,831 --> 00:29:52,208
He made the call, or calls.
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00:29:52,291 --> 00:29:55,503
I absolutely feel
that he needs to be made to pay for this.
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I was all stirred up and like,
"Give 'em hell" kind of attitude
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00:30:00,633 --> 00:30:04,095
because to me, I was so personally wronged
and it was awful.
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00:30:07,181 --> 00:30:10,017
This was the biggest case
that I'd had.
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00:30:11,894 --> 00:30:15,773
The night before the trial, I'm thinking,
"All right, the day is finally here,
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00:30:17,024 --> 00:30:20,486
and hopefully, everything goes right."
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00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:24,574
I think I've got an airtight,
air-sealed case.
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00:30:27,076 --> 00:30:31,247
At this point, I did my job,
we have a great case.
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00:30:31,330 --> 00:30:36,252
We have now submitted it to the lawyers
in the trial courts of Mount Washington,
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00:30:36,335 --> 00:30:39,088
and it's now up to them
to prosecute this case.
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00:30:45,511 --> 00:30:49,098
Romines walked in,
putting on the show that attorneys do.
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00:30:52,226 --> 00:30:55,021
I'm thinking, "Romines can blow
all the smoke he wants."
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00:30:55,104 --> 00:31:00,234
"He can't blow this up," because every
police officer that I talked to said,
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00:31:00,318 --> 00:31:02,778
"You got the best case in the nation."
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00:31:03,446 --> 00:31:07,575
There are so many things
that just seemed very inconsistent
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00:31:07,658 --> 00:31:11,913
with the portrayal the police
and prosecution was trying to make.
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00:31:11,996 --> 00:31:16,459
It was very important to me to make sure
we followed all the way through
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00:31:17,001 --> 00:31:19,337
and that he was found guilty.
436
00:31:20,922 --> 00:31:23,883
The police think every case is a slam dunk
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00:31:23,966 --> 00:31:28,721
which is why the police's version
is what's put out to the media.
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00:31:29,847 --> 00:31:35,436
As we've learned over the last two years,
with social justice protests
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00:31:35,519 --> 00:31:39,982
and George Floyd, Breonna Taylor,
and cell phone cameras,
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00:31:40,066 --> 00:31:45,738
the police's version of what happened
is almost never what actually happened.
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00:31:47,156 --> 00:31:50,785
We have David Stewart
in line, purchasing a calling card.
442
00:31:52,119 --> 00:31:56,916
We have David Stewart
entering the Walmart on the day
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00:31:56,999 --> 00:32:02,880
the Massachusetts cards are purchased,
wearing CCA security-type uniform.
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00:32:03,714 --> 00:32:07,677
We have David Stewart identified
from these photos
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00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,055
from the warden
at his jail where he worked.
446
00:32:12,431 --> 00:32:16,185
If that's not enough evidence
to convict somebody, I don't know what is.
447
00:32:20,314 --> 00:32:24,986
The Walmart video was really
kind of portrayed as the bombshell
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00:32:25,069 --> 00:32:27,947
or the irrefutable evidence of his guilt.
449
00:32:30,825 --> 00:32:33,744
Could it be David Stewart?
Sure, it could be David Stewart.
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00:32:33,828 --> 00:32:36,497
But beyond a reasonable doubt
is it David Stewart?
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00:32:38,416 --> 00:32:41,961
That's bullcrap. You can still look
at Stewart and tell that's still Stewart.
452
00:32:43,671 --> 00:32:48,968
It's him. There's no question
about it. Perfect match.
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00:32:49,719 --> 00:32:55,057
But even with that, the rest
of the evidence was so inconsistent.
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That, to me, was not even close
to sufficient evidence in the case.
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00:33:03,441 --> 00:33:05,568
We went through his work schedule.
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00:33:06,152 --> 00:33:08,362
Every time a call was made
that we could track,
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00:33:08,446 --> 00:33:12,616
we could show that he was not at work,
he was available to make this call.
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00:33:14,827 --> 00:33:19,832
And he was very familiar with the area
where some of these calls were made from.
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00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,754
One that was nearby, a payphone
where he used to deliver gas.
460
00:33:26,213 --> 00:33:30,384
There were some of those calls
that David Stewart had an alibi
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00:33:31,052 --> 00:33:33,262
that they could not refute.
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00:33:33,345 --> 00:33:37,475
His wife testified
that they had a set schedule
463
00:33:37,558 --> 00:33:41,854
and when she worked,
he was to pick up the kids.
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00:33:43,272 --> 00:33:47,276
Our investigation uncovered
that Stewart did not make them.
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00:33:48,903 --> 00:33:53,657
We had a guy driving all over,
he might make a call from this payphone
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00:33:53,741 --> 00:33:56,952
and later, he might make
a call from another payphone.
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00:33:57,036 --> 00:34:02,083
The caller is using calling cards,
he thinks nobody can track him down.
468
00:34:04,043 --> 00:34:07,379
He happened to be in the store
when the calling card was purchased.
469
00:34:07,463 --> 00:34:09,048
We had a near confession.
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00:34:09,632 --> 00:34:12,551
We're this close from him admitting this.
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00:34:12,635 --> 00:34:15,179
He goes, "Thank God, it's over."
472
00:34:16,639 --> 00:34:18,682
That was it. Didn't say another word.
473
00:34:20,810 --> 00:34:23,312
Plead the fifth. Done.
474
00:34:27,983 --> 00:34:31,403
When the police interrogate you
for a period of time
475
00:34:31,487 --> 00:34:34,406
and you never admit to committing a crime
476
00:34:34,490 --> 00:34:37,993
and then finally,
they're done questioning you,
477
00:34:38,077 --> 00:34:40,037
and you say, "Thank God, this is over"?
478
00:34:40,121 --> 00:34:42,998
That has more to do
with police interrogating you
479
00:34:43,082 --> 00:34:46,585
than it does, you know,
a confession to a crime.
480
00:34:47,086 --> 00:34:50,506
All I'm thinking,
"If not David Stewart, who is it?"
481
00:34:50,589 --> 00:34:53,759
Because the facts are there,
the evidence is there.
482
00:34:56,762 --> 00:34:59,390
Part of the prosecution's case
483
00:34:59,473 --> 00:35:04,645
was that David
is this Svengali mastermind conman,
484
00:35:04,728 --> 00:35:07,982
who can convince people
to do things over the telephone
485
00:35:08,065 --> 00:35:10,776
that they wouldn't ordinarily do.
486
00:35:13,445 --> 00:35:20,202
It's wholly inconsistent with the person
David Stewart had been his entire life.
487
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,419
His lawyer painted that story
that he was a family man,
488
00:35:28,502 --> 00:35:32,047
a good hard-working guy,
had a police officer as a brother,
489
00:35:32,131 --> 00:35:35,843
and really did a good job
in telling the jury
490
00:35:35,926 --> 00:35:38,220
that David Stewart is not the guy.
491
00:35:44,852 --> 00:35:48,022
The jury came back
after only two hours of being out.
492
00:35:50,900 --> 00:35:52,735
I didn't really know what to think.
493
00:35:54,361 --> 00:35:57,031
David Stewart
was facing ten to 20 years.
494
00:35:59,033 --> 00:36:02,161
The judge asked if they've reached
a verdict, and they say yes.
495
00:36:03,996 --> 00:36:06,373
Kinda sucks the air out of the room.
496
00:36:09,460 --> 00:36:12,129
We, the jury,
find the defendant not guilty
497
00:36:12,213 --> 00:36:15,216
of solicitation to commit
first degree sexual abuse.
498
00:36:27,937 --> 00:36:32,107
There has been an unbelievable end
to an unbelievable Florida story
499
00:36:32,191 --> 00:36:34,944
involving what amounted
to a long-distance rape.
500
00:36:38,864 --> 00:36:43,244
It was like being hit with a two-by-four.
My heart just sank down in my gut.
501
00:36:45,412 --> 00:36:46,914
I just went…
502
00:36:48,290 --> 00:36:51,043
I'm numb! I'm like, "What the fuck?"
503
00:36:55,631 --> 00:36:59,009
This was the only time
that I can remember in my career
504
00:36:59,093 --> 00:37:03,264
that I got a not guilty verdict,
there's nothing I can do to change it.
505
00:37:07,142 --> 00:37:10,854
People were just stunned.
The case was not won.
506
00:37:11,647 --> 00:37:14,441
There wasn't enough proof,
there wasn't enough evidence
507
00:37:14,525 --> 00:37:17,027
for a jury to believe
that it was David Stewart.
508
00:37:20,614 --> 00:37:24,868
The issue in this case
was they didn't have anything
509
00:37:24,952 --> 00:37:30,499
that is indicative or proof
of David Stewart making the call.
510
00:37:30,582 --> 00:37:32,584
Maybe I could've done better
interviewing him.
511
00:37:33,669 --> 00:37:35,754
Maybe we should have not interviewed him,
512
00:37:35,838 --> 00:37:38,716
hoped he didn't know we were there
and put him under surveillance.
513
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,303
In my view,
we didn't arrest the wrong guy.
514
00:37:42,386 --> 00:37:45,264
We thought we arrested the right guy.
515
00:37:45,347 --> 00:37:49,226
He was brought to trial, found not guilty.
That's the process.
516
00:37:52,563 --> 00:37:54,857
Do I think
David Stewart's innocent?
517
00:37:54,940 --> 00:37:56,984
Yeah, I think David Stewart's innocent.
518
00:37:57,067 --> 00:37:59,445
There's obviously
a difference under the law
519
00:37:59,528 --> 00:38:03,365
in not guilty and innocent, okay?
520
00:38:03,449 --> 00:38:05,617
I know for a fact, he's not guilty.
521
00:38:10,205 --> 00:38:14,460
We presented the best
possible case that could be presented
522
00:38:14,543 --> 00:38:17,588
to bring justice for Louise
and the other victims.
523
00:38:19,298 --> 00:38:21,800
Could I have arrested the wrong guy?
I don't think so.
524
00:38:22,968 --> 00:38:26,263
I mean, nobody dropped
those calling cards in his room.
525
00:38:28,015 --> 00:38:31,435
There are questions that've never
been asked that need to be asked.
526
00:38:31,518 --> 00:38:34,938
The only thing I knew was,
my client didn't do it, a jury agreed.
527
00:38:43,197 --> 00:38:45,449
To my knowledge, still today,
528
00:38:45,532 --> 00:38:50,871
I've not been made aware of this
exact crime still ever happening again.
529
00:38:52,581 --> 00:38:56,960
What's really hard to believe
is that only eight people were charged
530
00:38:57,044 --> 00:38:59,922
and they were managers at the restaurants,
not the caller.
531
00:39:00,756 --> 00:39:04,676
But there were hundreds of calls
and people wonder,
532
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:08,555
"What happened here?
Were all the cases not investigated?"
533
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:10,432
"Were people afraid to report it?"
534
00:39:12,935 --> 00:39:16,522
Since 2004,
these hoax calls have stopped.
535
00:39:18,732 --> 00:39:21,944
Justice wasn't served to the caller.
536
00:39:24,613 --> 00:39:30,369
Whoever made those calls
is a disturbed individual.
537
00:39:33,038 --> 00:39:34,039
Who is it?
538
00:39:38,627 --> 00:39:43,590
This individual, this hoax caller
is an evil sex predator,
539
00:39:43,674 --> 00:39:45,384
dangerous to society.
540
00:39:48,178 --> 00:39:49,805
The calls stopped for now…
541
00:39:54,226 --> 00:39:56,395
…but have they stopped for good?