1 00:00:18,853 --> 00:00:20,730 And now to an unbelievable hoax 2 00:00:20,813 --> 00:00:23,149 that police say many people fell victim to. 3 00:00:23,649 --> 00:00:27,111 A caller pretending to be a police officer was convincing enough 4 00:00:27,195 --> 00:00:31,407 to talk some managers into sexually abusing fast food employees. 5 00:00:32,116 --> 00:00:34,160 If I didn't submit to this search, 6 00:00:34,243 --> 00:00:37,163 then I'd be either arrested or lose my job or both. 7 00:00:37,246 --> 00:00:38,956 Couple police officers telling me 8 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:42,001 there's a video of what happened here. 9 00:00:49,091 --> 00:00:52,678 I'd never seen anything like it and I still haven't in 30 years. 10 00:00:54,305 --> 00:00:55,681 Who is this? 11 00:00:56,682 --> 00:00:59,644 The caller, of course, has committed the perfect crime 12 00:00:59,727 --> 00:01:01,979 because he's completely anonymous. 13 00:01:02,980 --> 00:01:05,024 We have a sexual predator on the loose 14 00:01:05,108 --> 00:01:08,027 -and the phone's still ringing every day. 15 00:01:28,297 --> 00:01:30,383 My manager came to tell me 16 00:01:30,466 --> 00:01:33,553 that he needed me back in the office, which… 17 00:01:34,178 --> 00:01:35,638 I don't think that's ever happened. 18 00:01:37,056 --> 00:01:39,517 And he was like, "Shut the door." And… 19 00:01:40,935 --> 00:01:44,730 The office was tiny, and frighteningly so. 20 00:01:46,107 --> 00:01:50,862 I had no clue what was going on, but I knew something was seriously wrong. 21 00:01:51,362 --> 00:01:52,363 I felt powerless. 22 00:02:04,041 --> 00:02:08,171 I grew up in South Georgia. We moved around a lot. 23 00:02:09,005 --> 00:02:12,341 We lived in just a lot of little, small rural areas. 24 00:02:14,093 --> 00:02:16,304 Deborah is my twin sister. 25 00:02:17,471 --> 00:02:21,309 We went off to college when we were 18 at Georgia Southern in Statesboro, 26 00:02:21,392 --> 00:02:23,561 and we were living in a little trailer, 27 00:02:24,187 --> 00:02:26,314 doing whatever we could to make ends meet. 28 00:02:26,397 --> 00:02:31,444 I mean, it was literally month-to-month. It was always sketchy. 29 00:02:31,527 --> 00:02:34,655 But, you know, we had each other there to lean on. 30 00:02:36,657 --> 00:02:39,869 I always wanted to be independent, have my own money, 31 00:02:39,952 --> 00:02:41,996 and so I got a job at Taco Bell. 32 00:02:43,331 --> 00:02:45,499 I was 19-years-old when I started. 33 00:02:46,626 --> 00:02:48,836 It was three o'clock in the morning, 34 00:02:48,920 --> 00:02:52,423 and Deborah had come home from working at Taco Bell, 35 00:02:52,506 --> 00:02:55,468 and just started, like, telling me 36 00:02:55,551 --> 00:02:59,347 about this weird thing that happened to her at work. 37 00:03:06,020 --> 00:03:08,189 It was a Monday night in November. 38 00:03:08,272 --> 00:03:09,815 I was working a double shift. 39 00:03:12,109 --> 00:03:15,738 My manager told me there was a detective on the phone. 40 00:03:18,574 --> 00:03:23,371 The cop said there was a purse that had been stolen from the lobby, 41 00:03:23,454 --> 00:03:26,999 and that I fit the description of the person who had taken it. 42 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,211 Which, to me, was shocking 43 00:03:30,294 --> 00:03:33,756 because that's not something I would have done. 44 00:03:35,758 --> 00:03:38,970 So I had two options that the cop gave me. 45 00:03:39,053 --> 00:03:44,058 It was either have a law enforcement officer come 46 00:03:44,141 --> 00:03:46,978 and do the search on me there, 47 00:03:47,061 --> 00:03:49,814 or I could just let my manager 48 00:03:50,648 --> 00:03:52,024 go ahead and do it. 49 00:03:53,234 --> 00:03:55,945 I did not even know what a strip search entailed. 50 00:03:57,280 --> 00:03:58,948 I was very vulnerable. 51 00:04:00,116 --> 00:04:01,534 Very much a rule follower. 52 00:04:10,793 --> 00:04:12,586 None of it made any sense. 53 00:04:12,670 --> 00:04:13,921 And it was, uh… 54 00:04:15,131 --> 00:04:18,634 puzzling because she's telling me that she had to take her clothes off. 55 00:04:19,885 --> 00:04:23,472 Every piece of clothing I would take off, I would hand to him. 56 00:04:24,307 --> 00:04:28,853 He would read the tag to the man on the phone, 57 00:04:28,936 --> 00:04:31,564 and then put it in the safe. 58 00:04:33,441 --> 00:04:37,403 The cop on the phone, he sounded very calm like he knew what he was doing. 59 00:04:37,486 --> 00:04:40,573 He wanted me to do exercises so that I would sweat 60 00:04:40,656 --> 00:04:44,744 and so that, if you rubbed my skin, you can have a green residue. 61 00:04:45,453 --> 00:04:48,998 The cop said, "If there was money that had been hidden on your body, 62 00:04:49,081 --> 00:04:50,416 it would be visible." 63 00:04:54,170 --> 00:04:56,589 Basically rubbed all over my body 64 00:04:56,672 --> 00:04:59,925 just to make sure there's no green residue. 65 00:05:05,806 --> 00:05:08,976 There was checking of everything. 66 00:05:11,312 --> 00:05:15,274 My mouth, ears, and then my genitals. 67 00:05:19,028 --> 00:05:23,866 I had to bend over and spread and touch toes. 68 00:05:25,868 --> 00:05:28,871 I don't think there was anywhere he probably didn't touch. 69 00:05:34,293 --> 00:05:39,423 It got scary to the point where I was like, "No." 70 00:05:43,135 --> 00:05:46,597 I felt like my body was violated. I mean… 71 00:05:48,057 --> 00:05:51,143 She kept saying over and over again that she was scared, 72 00:05:51,227 --> 00:05:53,687 and if she didn't do this or if she didn't do that, 73 00:05:53,771 --> 00:05:54,939 then they'd arrest her. 74 00:05:58,317 --> 00:06:01,862 Who am I to question how this goes? 75 00:06:02,404 --> 00:06:06,075 That's not something that I even have the authority to do. 76 00:06:09,161 --> 00:06:12,665 At the end, my manager, he got angry 77 00:06:12,748 --> 00:06:15,209 and just kind of said, "Fuck you," 78 00:06:15,292 --> 00:06:16,710 and hung up, 79 00:06:17,878 --> 00:06:21,423 kind of tossed my clothes to me and walked out. 80 00:06:28,764 --> 00:06:33,269 The call lasted for hours, and it felt like eternity. 81 00:06:33,352 --> 00:06:36,313 Even coming out of the room, I remember it kind of felt like 82 00:06:37,106 --> 00:06:38,023 nothing was real. 83 00:06:41,110 --> 00:06:44,071 About a day or two later, I really did realize 84 00:06:45,364 --> 00:06:49,118 that there was actually no one accusing me of stealing anything, 85 00:06:49,201 --> 00:06:51,412 and there was no actual cop on the phone. 86 00:06:55,833 --> 00:06:58,878 If you'd ask her, she'd say, "I don't want to talk about it," 87 00:06:58,961 --> 00:07:00,588 or she'd change the subject. 88 00:07:03,007 --> 00:07:05,634 I think just the whole embarrassment of it, 89 00:07:05,718 --> 00:07:09,972 I just didn't want to be real, I guess. 90 00:07:10,055 --> 00:07:12,183 And if you say it, it becomes real. 91 00:07:15,728 --> 00:07:19,273 Quit my job after that, dropped out of school. 92 00:07:19,356 --> 00:07:20,691 I lost my scholarship. 93 00:07:21,567 --> 00:07:23,527 I just couldn't do it. Like, I just 94 00:07:24,820 --> 00:07:26,989 quit for a few years, just took a break. 95 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:33,120 There was an innocence and a brightness to Deborah 96 00:07:33,204 --> 00:07:34,622 that was always there. 97 00:07:34,705 --> 00:07:36,373 And then, when this happened, 98 00:07:36,457 --> 00:07:38,709 she went into a really, really dark place 99 00:07:39,293 --> 00:07:41,587 and I still feel… 100 00:07:43,589 --> 00:07:44,507 I'm sorry. 101 00:07:49,929 --> 00:07:53,182 I still feel a lot of guilt that I didn't do more. 102 00:08:00,481 --> 00:08:05,194 I think the caller on the phone absolutely has no regard for humanity 103 00:08:05,277 --> 00:08:06,695 or what people 104 00:08:08,280 --> 00:08:09,782 can feel in a situation. 105 00:08:09,865 --> 00:08:14,286 Definitely a sexual predator, just sick. 106 00:08:15,329 --> 00:08:16,997 He needed to be stopped. 107 00:08:30,844 --> 00:08:34,640 When I started realizing there was more victims out there, 108 00:08:35,349 --> 00:08:38,769 I felt like it was my duty to get this stopped, 109 00:08:38,852 --> 00:08:42,731 and I worked tirelessly and endlessly to make this happen. 110 00:08:44,108 --> 00:08:47,736 This had been going on for ten years across the United States. 111 00:08:47,820 --> 00:08:51,448 What blew my mind was, I could not believe that we had 112 00:08:52,408 --> 00:08:55,244 marched forward in this case, trying to solve it, 113 00:08:55,828 --> 00:08:59,206 and now we're up to 73 cases in 32 states, 114 00:09:00,374 --> 00:09:03,544 -and the phone's still ringing every day. 115 00:09:04,169 --> 00:09:09,008 All the calls tracked back to Panama City every time. 116 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:14,888 Every time. Not one time to Texas, not one time to California. 117 00:09:15,556 --> 00:09:17,725 And none of them ever got solved. 118 00:09:19,268 --> 00:09:21,478 I got a Burger King in Fargo, North Dakota, 119 00:09:21,562 --> 00:09:25,441 where a manager strip searches a 17-year-old employee. 120 00:09:26,734 --> 00:09:30,362 In 2002, at the Taco Bell, a young woman was strip-searched 121 00:09:30,446 --> 00:09:33,824 by her manager and being accused of stealing items. 122 00:09:35,576 --> 00:09:36,994 This case was bigger than me. 123 00:09:38,871 --> 00:09:41,457 But there's two things I never wanted to hear. 124 00:09:41,540 --> 00:09:44,376 I never wanted to hear the word "No," and don't tell me I can't. 125 00:09:45,336 --> 00:09:48,255 As time went on and we kept making phone calls 126 00:09:48,339 --> 00:09:50,215 and kept asking questions and… 127 00:09:51,133 --> 00:09:54,178 we'd just get a little bit further, and a little bit further. 128 00:09:54,720 --> 00:09:58,641 After I talked to Vic, I knew they may have a guy that was a suspect. 129 00:09:58,724 --> 00:10:01,894 Maybe he's going to get that next little piece of information I need. 130 00:10:08,525 --> 00:10:11,862 So, it took me four months of calls. 131 00:10:13,781 --> 00:10:16,241 Four months of tedious video. 132 00:10:17,159 --> 00:10:18,869 Finally, we have a picture. 133 00:10:21,664 --> 00:10:25,250 You could actually see the individual from an overhead video 134 00:10:25,334 --> 00:10:26,835 purchasing the calling card. 135 00:10:28,045 --> 00:10:32,549 It showed us the individual characteristics, 136 00:10:33,133 --> 00:10:35,511 hair color, height, build. 137 00:10:36,428 --> 00:10:39,890 He's got a braid on the side of his pants. 138 00:10:40,516 --> 00:10:41,892 Braid is police. 139 00:10:41,975 --> 00:10:43,060 He's a cop. 140 00:10:45,104 --> 00:10:49,400 Finally, it's now time to get off the phones and boots on the ground. 141 00:10:49,483 --> 00:10:51,110 We're going to Panama City to find him. 142 00:11:04,665 --> 00:11:09,712 I fly down to Panama City. Me and the sun are evil enemies. It's hot. 143 00:11:11,755 --> 00:11:17,302 Panama City, it's a vacation spot. I think a perfect place in this area 144 00:11:17,386 --> 00:11:18,804 to make these phone calls 145 00:11:18,887 --> 00:11:21,306 because most of the people here are transient. 146 00:11:21,390 --> 00:11:25,644 They're just here for a few days, a week. No one cares. No one knows you. 147 00:11:26,728 --> 00:11:31,984 You know, we're searching for a ghost. Who is this person in the video? 148 00:11:33,152 --> 00:11:34,278 Could be anywhere. 149 00:11:35,779 --> 00:11:38,490 I was looking at all four Wendy's calls that night. 150 00:11:38,574 --> 00:11:40,701 All four calls happen the same night, 151 00:11:40,784 --> 00:11:43,871 probably a range from 7:30 at night to 11:30, 152 00:11:43,954 --> 00:11:45,456 somewhere in that vicinity. 153 00:11:46,248 --> 00:11:48,333 Two of the calls made at Wendy's in Massachusetts 154 00:11:48,417 --> 00:11:50,127 were made from this gas station. 155 00:11:53,088 --> 00:11:56,550 They're both about 90 minutes in length and one right after the other, 156 00:11:56,633 --> 00:12:00,262 so he was at this gas station for almost three hours. 157 00:12:02,723 --> 00:12:05,851 I can't believe that phone booth is that close to the door. 158 00:12:05,934 --> 00:12:08,353 I definitely thought it'd be a more private area, 159 00:12:08,437 --> 00:12:10,522 away from the business a little bit more. 160 00:12:11,023 --> 00:12:12,399 It's kind of surprising. 161 00:12:13,609 --> 00:12:18,405 I believe it's a power issue. I mean, he's making phone calls outdoors 162 00:12:18,489 --> 00:12:19,948 with people walking by. 163 00:12:20,032 --> 00:12:21,867 He wanted power over people. 164 00:12:21,950 --> 00:12:26,371 He wanted to know that they were doing what he was telling them to do. 165 00:12:28,707 --> 00:12:31,001 I think he's a serial sexual predator. 166 00:12:32,461 --> 00:12:34,588 I mean, he made multiple, multiple calls 167 00:12:35,214 --> 00:12:38,050 to instruct somebody to strip search women and men. 168 00:12:40,260 --> 00:12:42,513 This individual making these calls is very dangerous. 169 00:12:42,596 --> 00:12:43,931 He hurt a lot of people. 170 00:12:44,431 --> 00:12:46,350 I mean, in ways that we'll never know. 171 00:12:53,190 --> 00:12:55,609 We go into the Panama City Police Department, 172 00:12:55,692 --> 00:13:00,155 meet up with their detectives, and we start unwrapping all this stuff 173 00:13:00,239 --> 00:13:01,490 and going over the case. 174 00:13:02,074 --> 00:13:05,536 Get the laptop and going, and showing them these pictures to see 175 00:13:05,619 --> 00:13:07,287 if they could assist in any way. 176 00:13:08,872 --> 00:13:10,249 Brought up the photo, 177 00:13:12,793 --> 00:13:15,921 and they're all like, "No, we don't recognize him." 178 00:13:16,713 --> 00:13:18,549 If he was a cop, they'd know him. 179 00:13:19,967 --> 00:13:23,595 And they all looked at it and said, "No, it's not a cop. It's not a cop." 180 00:13:24,805 --> 00:13:28,225 I'm like, "Then why is he wearing police pants?" 181 00:13:29,685 --> 00:13:32,354 And they say, "It's not police pants." I go, "What?" 182 00:13:33,105 --> 00:13:36,567 "That's a corrections uniform. He's a corrections officer." 183 00:13:36,650 --> 00:13:39,111 But I'm like, "Wait a minute here. What?" 184 00:13:39,903 --> 00:13:41,989 I was shocked that it could be a cop. 185 00:13:43,282 --> 00:13:47,828 I didn't want it to be a cop. And now I was kind of surprised it wasn't. 186 00:13:48,579 --> 00:13:51,665 No. Absolutely not a cop. Correction. 187 00:13:52,791 --> 00:13:55,252 But we're still looking in the right direction. 188 00:13:55,794 --> 00:14:00,966 We shrunk the pool of suspects down from the entire state of Florida, 189 00:14:02,217 --> 00:14:03,218 to law enforcement, 190 00:14:04,928 --> 00:14:07,889 to corrections employees. 191 00:14:07,973 --> 00:14:12,019 Now, I have a better feeling that we're going to identify him. 192 00:14:25,699 --> 00:14:29,161 While we're trying to find out where the call was coming from, 193 00:14:29,244 --> 00:14:30,579 I'm reviewing other cases, 194 00:14:30,662 --> 00:14:34,333 but my main goal is to try to bring some justice for Louise, 195 00:14:35,083 --> 00:14:36,835 her being a victim in this case. 196 00:14:39,338 --> 00:14:42,007 Investigators say a man claiming to be police 197 00:14:42,090 --> 00:14:45,385 called McDonald's in Mount Washington in April of 2004. 198 00:14:45,469 --> 00:14:48,972 He told the supervisor that Louise Ogborn was a suspect in a theft. 199 00:14:49,056 --> 00:14:51,266 He then ordered the supervisor and her fiancé 200 00:14:51,350 --> 00:14:54,186 to strip search Ogborn and perform sexual acts. 201 00:14:54,269 --> 00:14:55,562 The fiancé, Walter Nix, 202 00:14:55,646 --> 00:14:58,941 said he thought the man on the phone was an actual police officer. 203 00:14:59,024 --> 00:15:01,109 The subject had a way of compelling him. 204 00:15:02,361 --> 00:15:04,988 Making them believe what he was telling them 205 00:15:05,072 --> 00:15:09,284 and convincing them that they needed to follow his directions. 206 00:15:12,329 --> 00:15:16,917 Most people say they would never believe someone on the phone is asking them 207 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:18,335 to conduct a strip search. 208 00:15:18,418 --> 00:15:22,673 However, this hoax caller must be very good at what he was doing. 209 00:15:23,715 --> 00:15:28,470 This caller, he was the kind of guy who never raised his voice. 210 00:15:28,553 --> 00:15:32,557 He was very articulate in how he wanted things done 211 00:15:32,641 --> 00:15:35,143 and how he described how he wanted things done, 212 00:15:35,227 --> 00:15:39,606 so that if there was any doubt in their mind, if he gave them a reason, 213 00:15:40,190 --> 00:15:41,858 that sort of removed the doubt, 214 00:15:41,942 --> 00:15:44,236 and they would go ahead and do what he wanted. 215 00:15:44,987 --> 00:15:49,032 The hoax caller, he sounded like an authority figure, 216 00:15:49,116 --> 00:15:50,200 so he suggested, 217 00:15:50,283 --> 00:15:53,912 you know, maybe blacking out the window so no one could see in 218 00:15:53,996 --> 00:15:57,249 just to protect them, protect Louise. 219 00:15:59,626 --> 00:16:02,212 He would give a description of the employee, 220 00:16:02,295 --> 00:16:03,630 what clothes they were wearing. 221 00:16:03,714 --> 00:16:07,884 You think, "How did he know what the employee looked like?" 222 00:16:07,968 --> 00:16:10,762 They think they're talking to a police officer. 223 00:16:10,846 --> 00:16:14,016 In their mind, there's a police officer on the other line, 224 00:16:14,099 --> 00:16:17,144 there's also a McDonald's corporate person on the other line 225 00:16:17,227 --> 00:16:18,854 with the police officer. 226 00:16:18,937 --> 00:16:21,481 So they're thinking, "This is all legitimate." 227 00:16:21,565 --> 00:16:24,276 So, they keep going, one-by-one, 228 00:16:24,359 --> 00:16:26,570 trying to see how far he can get. 229 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:34,411 Certainly in this case, the hoax caller is the criminal, 230 00:16:34,494 --> 00:16:38,582 is the villain, but people are blaming Donna Summers 231 00:16:38,665 --> 00:16:41,126 and they were blaming her fiancé, Walter Nix. 232 00:16:42,127 --> 00:16:46,798 Just because we can't find the caller, don't think for one minute 233 00:16:47,549 --> 00:16:49,843 these two game players are not getting charged 234 00:16:49,926 --> 00:16:51,303 and not getting dealt with. 235 00:16:51,386 --> 00:16:54,347 Walter Nix and Donna Summers were the ones that let it happen. 236 00:16:59,895 --> 00:17:03,065 It didn't look good for Nix. He had some serious charges. 237 00:17:04,483 --> 00:17:06,526 We had him dead to rights, 238 00:17:06,610 --> 00:17:09,196 and there was no way that he could talk his way out of it. 239 00:17:10,238 --> 00:17:13,575 Walter Nix doesn't have a great case, 240 00:17:13,658 --> 00:17:18,580 and he pleas to sex crimes, he has to be on the sex offenders registry 241 00:17:18,663 --> 00:17:20,916 and he has to serve five years in prison. 242 00:17:22,584 --> 00:17:26,505 And good afternoon, I'm Lori Lyle. A Bullitt County man is headed to prison 243 00:17:26,588 --> 00:17:29,800 for following what he thought was to be police orders 244 00:17:29,883 --> 00:17:32,260 to sexually abuse a teenage girl. 245 00:17:32,344 --> 00:17:37,682 Mr. Nix is truly a good person who got caught in a unique situation 246 00:17:37,766 --> 00:17:40,185 and made a very bad choice. 247 00:17:40,268 --> 00:17:42,938 The judge disagreed on Nix's good character. 248 00:17:43,021 --> 00:17:45,857 He denied the first plea agreement for probation only, 249 00:17:45,941 --> 00:17:48,902 but accepted a new deal including a prison sentence. 250 00:17:48,985 --> 00:17:51,488 It is absolutely amazing to me 251 00:17:51,571 --> 00:17:54,699 that anyone would commit these kinds of acts 252 00:17:54,783 --> 00:17:57,160 based on a telephone call. 253 00:17:57,244 --> 00:17:59,204 Nix ended up, after his plea deal, 254 00:17:59,287 --> 00:18:02,332 getting sentenced to five years in state penitentiary. 255 00:18:03,542 --> 00:18:07,129 Donna Summers, she did a bad thing. She did it intentionally. 256 00:18:07,212 --> 00:18:09,464 Nobody held a gun to her head and told her… 257 00:18:09,548 --> 00:18:11,842 She did what the caller told her to do. 258 00:18:11,925 --> 00:18:14,386 She ought to have had enough sense to know not to do that. 259 00:18:14,469 --> 00:18:16,513 She needed to be held accountable of her actions. 260 00:18:16,596 --> 00:18:18,348 She needed to pay the fiddler here. 261 00:18:19,015 --> 00:18:23,186 Donna Summers also enters a plea, but hers is an Alford plea, 262 00:18:23,270 --> 00:18:24,813 which means you admit guilt 263 00:18:25,355 --> 00:18:27,983 because there's enough evidence to convict you, 264 00:18:28,066 --> 00:18:31,862 but you still maintain your innocence under the eyes of the law. 265 00:18:31,945 --> 00:18:36,867 So she pleads guilty to a misdemeanor and gets a year probation. 266 00:18:40,120 --> 00:18:45,208 Physically, Donna didn't go to jail, but Donna got fired by McDonald's. 267 00:18:45,292 --> 00:18:48,086 They terminated her employment, dropped her like a hot potato. 268 00:18:48,170 --> 00:18:51,089 Her face ended up being on the six o'clock news 269 00:18:51,173 --> 00:18:53,175 quite a bit over this case. 270 00:18:53,258 --> 00:18:55,385 So, her work career, she was probably ruined. 271 00:18:55,969 --> 00:18:59,639 I was following the instructions of what I was told to do by the caller. 272 00:18:59,723 --> 00:19:02,893 It wasn't anything that I wanted to do intentionally. 273 00:19:03,393 --> 00:19:04,519 I'm not a criminal. 274 00:19:07,439 --> 00:19:09,191 And I have such guilt, 275 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:15,113 such unprofound guilt about what happened. 276 00:19:15,197 --> 00:19:21,161 It has actually destroyed my life. It has absolutely destroyed it. 277 00:19:23,163 --> 00:19:26,625 You've got a hoax caller who's calling, 278 00:19:26,708 --> 00:19:30,295 asking them to do criminal things and they oblige. 279 00:19:30,378 --> 00:19:33,632 I'll never know why you felt like you needed to be compelled 280 00:19:33,715 --> 00:19:36,134 to do something like that to another human being, 281 00:19:37,344 --> 00:19:40,931 just because somebody told you to do it on the phone, as long as I live. 282 00:19:41,014 --> 00:19:44,976 A lot of people that I talked to said, "Well, hell, I wouldn't do that!" 283 00:19:45,060 --> 00:19:46,895 "Why didn't they hang up the phone?" 284 00:19:51,608 --> 00:19:52,984 I was like everyone. 285 00:19:53,068 --> 00:19:55,862 I was astonished when I first read about the hoax case 286 00:19:55,946 --> 00:19:58,406 and I probably had the reaction that most people have, 287 00:19:58,490 --> 00:20:00,617 which is, "How could anybody do that?" 288 00:20:00,700 --> 00:20:03,411 But then I remembered that's the same reaction people have 289 00:20:03,495 --> 00:20:05,247 when they look at the Milgram study. 290 00:20:05,330 --> 00:20:06,414 Let me out of here! 291 00:20:06,498 --> 00:20:09,709 You have no right to keep me here. Let me out! Let me out of here! 292 00:20:09,793 --> 00:20:12,087 - Continue, please. -Let me out of here! 293 00:20:12,170 --> 00:20:13,421 -Go on. -Let me out! 294 00:20:13,505 --> 00:20:17,801 Stanley Milgram was interested in the question of why so many people 295 00:20:17,884 --> 00:20:20,011 go along with authority figures, 296 00:20:20,095 --> 00:20:21,513 even when those authority figures 297 00:20:21,596 --> 00:20:24,891 are giving instructions to do something terribly wrong. 298 00:20:26,518 --> 00:20:30,397 Milgram created an artificial situation in a laboratory 299 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,524 working on these obedience studies. 300 00:20:33,566 --> 00:20:36,278 There were three characters involved. 301 00:20:36,361 --> 00:20:38,822 One person was the experimenter who ran the study, 302 00:20:38,905 --> 00:20:43,827 one person was the real participant, and the third person was an actor 303 00:20:43,910 --> 00:20:46,246 who was pretending to be a participant. 304 00:20:47,706 --> 00:20:52,043 The teacher was instructed to give a simple memory test. 305 00:20:52,627 --> 00:20:56,756 If the learner got the wrong answer, then he was supposed 306 00:20:56,840 --> 00:21:00,135 to get an electric shock, and the teacher's job was 307 00:21:00,218 --> 00:21:01,344 to deliver electric shock. 308 00:21:02,679 --> 00:21:05,181 Of course, the shocks were not being delivered 309 00:21:05,849 --> 00:21:09,894 and it was set up so that the person pretending to be a participant 310 00:21:09,978 --> 00:21:11,896 was always going to be the learner. 311 00:21:13,106 --> 00:21:17,986 The learner did give a lot of wrong answers on purpose, 312 00:21:18,570 --> 00:21:24,826 so that the teacher was required to give stronger and stronger electric shocks. 313 00:21:29,122 --> 00:21:30,123 Wrong! 314 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:34,210 225 volts. 315 00:21:35,670 --> 00:21:36,963 The word is "noise." 316 00:21:40,342 --> 00:21:45,388 65% of Milgram's participants continue to deliver what they thought 317 00:21:45,472 --> 00:21:50,226 was extremely painful, and perhaps even lethal, doses of electric shock. 318 00:21:51,394 --> 00:21:54,981 These people were agonizing every time they had to press a shock lever. 319 00:21:55,565 --> 00:22:01,363 Yet, despite those internal resistances that they were experiencing, 320 00:22:01,446 --> 00:22:04,991 the situation was so powerful, they found themselves, nonetheless, 321 00:22:05,075 --> 00:22:06,659 pressing the levers. 322 00:22:06,743 --> 00:22:09,162 -Who's actually pushing the switch? -I was. 323 00:22:09,245 --> 00:22:11,081 But why didn't you just stop? 324 00:22:11,164 --> 00:22:13,041 He won't let me. I wanted to stop! 325 00:22:13,792 --> 00:22:19,381 And what's most intriguing about that is that what that tells all of us 326 00:22:19,464 --> 00:22:22,258 is that under the right circumstances… 327 00:22:25,595 --> 00:22:29,933 …any one of us is probably capable of doing some very disturbing 328 00:22:30,016 --> 00:22:34,521 and maybe some very uncharacteristic things. 329 00:22:48,368 --> 00:22:53,248 In a matter of a few hours, I went from doing something right for somebody 330 00:22:53,331 --> 00:22:55,500 to facing life in prison, 331 00:22:57,669 --> 00:23:00,088 just because I took this phone call. 332 00:23:01,589 --> 00:23:05,260 I was gullible. I was… I believed. 333 00:23:06,261 --> 00:23:09,597 I believed in authority, and I believed it was a policeman. 334 00:23:10,140 --> 00:23:13,268 And I believed that I was helping somebody 335 00:23:13,351 --> 00:23:17,105 get out of a situation where she was accused of. 336 00:23:23,027 --> 00:23:26,156 I went to the jail and I met Allan. 337 00:23:27,073 --> 00:23:31,077 He's telling me the story about an imposter 338 00:23:31,161 --> 00:23:32,996 posing as a police officer over the phone 339 00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:36,708 and getting him to do these terrible things. 340 00:23:37,208 --> 00:23:43,798 He was charged with some serious offenses, including rape and kidnapping. 341 00:23:45,258 --> 00:23:50,138 But Allan did not fit any profile of a rapist or a kidnapper 342 00:23:50,221 --> 00:23:52,682 that I had ever been acquainted with. 343 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,646 I took the case and agreed to handle it for the family and take it all the way. 344 00:24:06,946 --> 00:24:10,200 When I got the job at Hardee's, I was in my early fifties. 345 00:24:10,909 --> 00:24:12,994 I went in as an assistant manager. 346 00:24:14,495 --> 00:24:19,375 I was pretty much new on the job at Hardee's, still learning the ropes. 347 00:24:20,919 --> 00:24:23,379 That afternoon, I was about to get off my shift. 348 00:24:25,173 --> 00:24:26,299 The phone rang. 349 00:24:26,841 --> 00:24:28,718 So, I grabbed the phone. 350 00:24:29,969 --> 00:24:31,346 The gentleman said… 351 00:24:31,846 --> 00:24:35,516 I'm so-and-so from the Rapid City Police Department. 352 00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:40,271 I have a complaint that one of your employees has stolen money 353 00:24:41,189 --> 00:24:43,399 from a customer. 354 00:24:45,193 --> 00:24:50,198 I was thinking, "Wow, one of my employees stole from a customer?" 355 00:24:50,281 --> 00:24:51,699 I didn't know what to think. 356 00:24:53,701 --> 00:24:54,744 The cop said… 357 00:24:54,827 --> 00:24:57,497 Her options were to go to the police station 358 00:24:57,580 --> 00:25:01,876 and be strip-searched, or she could be strip-searched at Hardee's. 359 00:25:03,503 --> 00:25:08,258 She agreed that she would rather be strip-searched at Hardee's 360 00:25:08,341 --> 00:25:10,551 than to go down to the police department. 361 00:25:14,138 --> 00:25:18,643 I'm on the phone, and he starts telling me the process, you know. 362 00:25:18,726 --> 00:25:21,604 Take off her shoes. Is there any money in her shoes? 363 00:25:21,688 --> 00:25:26,693 And then, take off her blouse and check the sleeves. 364 00:25:27,777 --> 00:25:31,990 It was every piece of clothing that I needed to have her take off 365 00:25:32,490 --> 00:25:38,288 and check to see if she had any money stashed anywhere. 366 00:25:39,372 --> 00:25:44,419 During that time, the young lady is on the phone 367 00:25:45,211 --> 00:25:48,381 thirteen times with the caller. 368 00:25:48,464 --> 00:25:53,261 She can also hear the caller as Allan is hearing him 369 00:25:53,344 --> 00:25:55,888 give the directions as to what the next step is. 370 00:26:00,018 --> 00:26:02,562 One time he wanted her to do jumping jacks 371 00:26:03,062 --> 00:26:09,110 so he could hear her doing it and know that I was carrying out 372 00:26:09,652 --> 00:26:11,487 the things that he asked me to do. 373 00:26:14,073 --> 00:26:17,910 This hoax went on for 2.5 to 3 hours, 374 00:26:17,994 --> 00:26:22,665 which actually enhanced the ability of the caller 375 00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:28,588 to groom and condition, and take the matters as far as he took them. 376 00:26:31,007 --> 00:26:37,055 His voice sounded very precise, very demanding. 377 00:26:41,517 --> 00:26:45,521 I was just like, "No, I don't want to be part of this," 378 00:26:45,605 --> 00:26:48,274 but I felt that I didn't have any choice. 379 00:26:50,693 --> 00:26:53,571 I found no money. It's like, "Okay, we should be done." 380 00:26:55,698 --> 00:26:58,951 He was saying that now, I need to search her for drugs. 381 00:27:00,036 --> 00:27:04,624 And I'm thinking, "What? I thought this was about a strip search for money." 382 00:27:07,085 --> 00:27:10,254 And then, he continued on with other demands. 383 00:27:12,423 --> 00:27:16,511 The caller actually asked him to do specific things, 384 00:27:16,594 --> 00:27:21,974 which involved touching intimate areas of her physically. 385 00:27:26,562 --> 00:27:30,441 "Check her crevices for drugs"? It's like, this is a nightmare. 386 00:27:33,403 --> 00:27:38,116 I knew I needed to end what was taking place, that I did know. 387 00:27:38,950 --> 00:27:42,203 And about that time, my assistant came in. 388 00:27:43,621 --> 00:27:47,166 And it's like, "Oh, my God, what did I just do?" 389 00:27:52,296 --> 00:27:54,173 I just got out of there. I went home. 390 00:27:57,093 --> 00:28:00,888 Through psychological manipulation and coercion, 391 00:28:00,972 --> 00:28:05,601 Allan did something he regretted terribly. 392 00:28:06,894 --> 00:28:09,272 I started questioning myself, 393 00:28:09,355 --> 00:28:14,527 "Is it a cop? Was it a prank? What really just took place?" 394 00:28:15,695 --> 00:28:17,530 I was in a state of shock. 395 00:28:18,865 --> 00:28:22,910 And then the next morning, I went back down to Hardee's. 396 00:28:24,245 --> 00:28:29,459 And there were two detectives there, and they charged me with three felonies. 397 00:28:30,877 --> 00:28:35,214 Two kidnapping, and one second-degree rape. 398 00:28:39,677 --> 00:28:42,680 Like, I couldn't even believe what was happening. 399 00:28:45,266 --> 00:28:49,645 In my mind, from an early stage in my investigation, 400 00:28:49,729 --> 00:28:51,939 Allan was a victim as well. 401 00:28:53,524 --> 00:29:00,156 Perhaps the most critical feature of our case was that there was a camera 402 00:29:00,239 --> 00:29:06,162 that recorded the entirety of the 2.5, 3-hour strip search. 403 00:29:06,245 --> 00:29:08,873 It was all on video. 404 00:29:08,956 --> 00:29:11,167 The young lady asked at the outset 405 00:29:11,250 --> 00:29:14,796 that Allan cover… "Please cover the camera." 406 00:29:14,879 --> 00:29:16,756 He said, "No, no, no." 407 00:29:16,839 --> 00:29:21,761 He emphatically declined to hide the events in that room. 408 00:29:23,262 --> 00:29:27,683 No criminal would want a documentation 409 00:29:28,518 --> 00:29:31,145 through video of his conduct. 410 00:29:31,229 --> 00:29:32,814 It is absurd. 411 00:29:37,193 --> 00:29:40,112 The trial is pretty much a blur to me. 412 00:29:40,696 --> 00:29:42,782 The only thing I remember is me being on the stand, 413 00:29:42,865 --> 00:29:44,742 and then getting to tell the truth. 414 00:29:45,743 --> 00:29:49,455 He was honest, and that's who Allan was. 415 00:29:49,539 --> 00:29:54,669 A jury had to know Allan. They had to see what's inside. 416 00:29:56,170 --> 00:29:59,090 I was unconscious, 417 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,803 had no clue what they might say. 418 00:30:03,886 --> 00:30:07,431 Just thinking, "Wow, I could spend the rest of my life in prison." 419 00:30:09,642 --> 00:30:13,020 And the judge asked the jury, "Have you reached a verdict?" 420 00:30:14,272 --> 00:30:20,236 "We the jury find the defendant, to the charge of rape and kidnapping… 421 00:30:21,988 --> 00:30:23,906 not guilty." 422 00:30:25,408 --> 00:30:27,952 It's like, there's people that believed me! 423 00:30:29,537 --> 00:30:34,292 Because I didn't know if there was ever anybody that would believe me. 424 00:30:36,127 --> 00:30:38,254 Other than my family, of course. 425 00:30:43,009 --> 00:30:48,764 The jury can despise what your client did, 426 00:30:48,848 --> 00:30:52,268 but abide by the evidence and find him not guilty. 427 00:30:52,977 --> 00:30:59,150 That was the most illuminating example that I've ever seen 428 00:30:59,233 --> 00:31:04,906 of that capacity, for a juror to make that distinction. 429 00:31:06,741 --> 00:31:08,492 Turned my life upside down. 430 00:31:10,995 --> 00:31:12,914 Personal relationships… 431 00:31:15,750 --> 00:31:18,586 All they thought is like, "How could somebody do this?" 432 00:31:19,253 --> 00:31:21,297 "I don't want to be a part of him." 433 00:31:23,424 --> 00:31:26,677 And even a couple of my friends for life… 434 00:31:28,679 --> 00:31:32,558 exited my friendship. 435 00:31:37,563 --> 00:31:39,941 All I would like to say to that young lady is, 436 00:31:40,024 --> 00:31:43,444 I'm sorry, from the bottom of my heart. 437 00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:48,032 And it's… it's just something that… 438 00:31:49,617 --> 00:31:54,747 Well, it's something that's been a dark cloud over me for all my life. 439 00:31:58,376 --> 00:32:00,795 And the caller committed the perfect crime 440 00:32:00,878 --> 00:32:03,005 because he's completely anonymous. 441 00:32:03,089 --> 00:32:07,301 He's 1,000 miles away or 80 miles away, who knows? 442 00:32:08,636 --> 00:32:14,517 So the police immediately looked only at the man in front of them. 443 00:32:15,476 --> 00:32:18,980 They were uninterested, disinterested 444 00:32:19,063 --> 00:32:23,234 in attempting to find out who made the call. 445 00:32:35,579 --> 00:32:39,125 We're in Panama City, and I'm tracking the hoax caller. 446 00:32:40,084 --> 00:32:43,337 We realize he's not a cop, and he works in the jail. 447 00:32:45,089 --> 00:32:46,882 There's three jails in the area. 448 00:32:48,592 --> 00:32:49,635 We're going. 449 00:32:52,638 --> 00:32:56,017 We're going to the closest one. Then we're going to the second one. 450 00:32:56,100 --> 00:32:57,977 If we have to, we're going to the third one. 451 00:32:59,812 --> 00:33:02,314 We hit the first correctional facility, 452 00:33:04,191 --> 00:33:08,404 get into the warden's office, open up the laptop, thinking, 453 00:33:08,487 --> 00:33:11,073 "Here we go. It's gonna be so easy." 454 00:33:16,996 --> 00:33:20,499 And they look at it and they're like, "No, I don't know who that is." 455 00:33:22,084 --> 00:33:23,961 They didn't know who the hell he was. 456 00:33:25,296 --> 00:33:26,338 So we pack up… 457 00:33:28,090 --> 00:33:30,926 get in the car, and head to the second one. 458 00:33:32,428 --> 00:33:36,599 We're getting closer. Somebody will know who he is. 459 00:33:42,313 --> 00:33:44,774 I spent the last 32 years in corrections. 460 00:33:47,276 --> 00:33:49,320 June 30th, I was at work, normal duties. 461 00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:54,617 Chief at the Bay County Jail called and said that they had some investigators 462 00:33:54,700 --> 00:33:56,702 that had a picture they wanted us to look at. 463 00:33:56,786 --> 00:33:57,828 "Sure, come on." 464 00:34:01,248 --> 00:34:05,628 We go into the second jail, go through security, 465 00:34:06,712 --> 00:34:08,464 then to the warden's office. 466 00:34:10,508 --> 00:34:14,053 We're with the warden, one of the security personnel. 467 00:34:14,845 --> 00:34:20,518 I bring up the picture, the warden and the head of security come over. 468 00:34:23,938 --> 00:34:27,274 They showed us a screenshot of a surveillance shot 469 00:34:27,358 --> 00:34:29,026 from Walmart in Callaway. 470 00:34:29,485 --> 00:34:31,612 It was an overhead shot over the register. 471 00:34:32,738 --> 00:34:35,241 And you could see that, as soon as we looked at it, 472 00:34:35,324 --> 00:34:37,076 "Holy shit, there's David Stewart." 473 00:34:39,662 --> 00:34:40,704 And I go, "What?" 474 00:34:42,206 --> 00:34:43,207 "David Stewart." 475 00:34:44,708 --> 00:34:46,085 What the fuck? 476 00:34:46,669 --> 00:34:49,255 We identified him. I didn't know what to say. 477 00:34:52,842 --> 00:34:55,719 The cops in the room, when we identified him, faces lit up 478 00:34:55,803 --> 00:34:58,514 because now they have the missing piece. 479 00:34:58,597 --> 00:35:01,725 That's David Stewart, so now they know who they're looking for. 480 00:35:02,309 --> 00:35:06,605 I asked the warden, "David Stewart, does he work this facility?" 481 00:35:07,148 --> 00:35:09,900 And the warden goes, "Not only does he work facilities…" 482 00:35:09,984 --> 00:35:11,652 But, I mean, he's here right now. 483 00:35:12,653 --> 00:35:16,740 You got to be kidding me. So, not only did he identify him, 484 00:35:16,824 --> 00:35:19,243 he's in the facility as we speak. 485 00:35:19,827 --> 00:35:22,163 I really thought interviewing might get him. 486 00:35:23,539 --> 00:35:25,332 I wanted the confession. 487 00:35:25,916 --> 00:35:29,545 When we went to the warden, we said, "We're ready for him. Bring him up." 488 00:35:31,172 --> 00:35:35,759 David was a correctional officer. He was on a second shift, 3:00 to 11:00. 489 00:35:35,843 --> 00:35:39,096 Their main duty is the care, custody, and control of the inmates, 490 00:35:39,180 --> 00:35:42,308 is to make sure they're safe, make sure everybody else is safe. 491 00:35:45,269 --> 00:35:48,564 The warden comes in, individual behind them. 492 00:35:49,523 --> 00:35:55,738 It was the absolute identical picture and video. You couldn't miss it. 493 00:35:56,947 --> 00:36:01,493 White male, about 6 feet tall, slicked back black hair. 494 00:36:03,412 --> 00:36:08,709 I introduced myself and then I asked him why would he think that we're down here 495 00:36:08,792 --> 00:36:10,669 speaking with him today. 496 00:36:11,337 --> 00:36:12,838 And he said, "I have no idea." 497 00:36:14,590 --> 00:36:18,385 I mean, he's only in there 30 seconds and he's already very uncomfortable. 498 00:36:19,303 --> 00:36:24,058 And I'm like, "Game time," because I knew we have him. 499 00:36:24,934 --> 00:36:29,855 I said, "We know you made the hoax phone calls to Massachusetts 500 00:36:29,939 --> 00:36:32,733 and other communities throughout the United States." 501 00:36:33,817 --> 00:36:37,488 And at that point, he started to sweat, shake. 502 00:36:37,571 --> 00:36:38,989 You think, "Okay, good." 503 00:36:40,282 --> 00:36:42,618 Then he said, "Was anybody hurt?" 504 00:36:42,701 --> 00:36:45,454 And after that, he goes, "Thank God, it's over." 505 00:36:47,331 --> 00:36:51,043 At that moment, when he made those statements, I thought I had the guy. 506 00:36:51,585 --> 00:36:54,421 Without question. I said, "We have you on video 507 00:36:54,505 --> 00:36:55,839 purchasing calling cards." 508 00:36:57,091 --> 00:37:00,344 He said, "Well, I didn't make the calls, I didn't make the calls." 509 00:37:00,427 --> 00:37:02,888 He denied buying any cards. 510 00:37:03,764 --> 00:37:06,642 He won't admit it, and he pleads the Fifth. 511 00:37:06,725 --> 00:37:10,145 So we stopped the interview, didn't say another word. 512 00:37:13,232 --> 00:37:15,693 When I heard the extent of how big this was, 513 00:37:15,776 --> 00:37:19,571 I couldn't believe how long had it gone on without him getting caught. 514 00:37:19,655 --> 00:37:21,949 You know, we're still in surprise and shock at this. 515 00:37:22,741 --> 00:37:25,202 It's too late to do surveillance on David Stewart. 516 00:37:25,286 --> 00:37:28,414 We knew at this point, we wouldn't be able to catch him in the act. 517 00:37:28,956 --> 00:37:31,917 I needed a confession, and he didn't give it to me. 518 00:37:32,584 --> 00:37:35,254 This investigation is hanging by a thread. 519 00:37:36,338 --> 00:37:38,090 I needed more evidence. 520 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,847 So, now we go back to Panama City detective's office 521 00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:49,226 and we say, "Okay, what's the next step? What are we going to do?" 522 00:37:49,310 --> 00:37:52,354 I decide we need to do a search warrant on his house. 523 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,066 David Stewart lived in Fountain, 524 00:37:56,150 --> 00:37:59,028 twenty-five miles north of the heart of Panama City. 525 00:37:59,945 --> 00:38:04,199 Fountain is a lot of dirt roads, people living in mobile homes. 526 00:38:04,742 --> 00:38:07,119 Just want to be left alone, mind their own business, 527 00:38:07,202 --> 00:38:09,496 and don't want anybody coming down there. 528 00:38:12,833 --> 00:38:15,419 He lives deep into the woody area, 529 00:38:15,502 --> 00:38:19,465 and he has a trailer and there's a small shed on the property. 530 00:38:21,675 --> 00:38:24,636 David still had no idea they're going to search the house until… 531 00:38:26,096 --> 00:38:27,222 he opened the door. 532 00:38:28,974 --> 00:38:31,727 Panama City detectives do a full search of the property… 533 00:38:35,189 --> 00:38:38,025 …and found numerous police magazines. 534 00:38:41,653 --> 00:38:44,031 He put in applications for numerous police jobs 535 00:38:44,114 --> 00:38:45,282 throughout the area. 536 00:38:48,660 --> 00:38:52,039 We also found diaries. He was obviously, at one point, 537 00:38:52,122 --> 00:38:56,877 a part-time police officer at some county or local department, 538 00:38:57,378 --> 00:38:58,629 and he'd put stuff like, 539 00:38:58,712 --> 00:39:05,511 "Monday April 21st, rode with Brock. Chased someone doing 125 miles an hour." 540 00:39:06,512 --> 00:39:10,516 "Wednesday, April, 30th, chased sergeant, 140 miles an hour." 541 00:39:12,142 --> 00:39:15,771 He was obsessed with being a police officer. 542 00:39:17,231 --> 00:39:18,941 You could tell that excited him. 543 00:39:22,486 --> 00:39:27,408 You know, it just doesn't help my case. I need to get the smoking gun. 544 00:39:30,702 --> 00:39:34,456 They searched all the grounds. Outside, sheds… 545 00:39:36,458 --> 00:39:38,627 and then, boom. 546 00:39:39,795 --> 00:39:41,672 Found a calling card. 547 00:39:41,755 --> 00:39:44,216 The key piece of evidence was a prepaid calling card. 548 00:39:46,510 --> 00:39:48,846 My hope is, can we tie him to Mount Washington? 549 00:39:48,929 --> 00:39:52,474 Can we tie him to Massachusetts? Is this the card? 550 00:39:52,558 --> 00:39:55,227 You know, that would be, like, the icing on the cake. 551 00:39:56,103 --> 00:40:01,275 My job at this point is to convince the DA of charges. 552 00:40:02,985 --> 00:40:06,405 Well, I want him to get charged with some type of sexual assault 553 00:40:06,488 --> 00:40:08,991 because I think it fit the elements of the crime. 554 00:40:09,074 --> 00:40:13,203 He directed somebody to sexual assault these victims. 555 00:40:14,913 --> 00:40:17,499 The DA just thought it was a hoax call. 556 00:40:18,125 --> 00:40:21,503 Although sick, incredibly demeaning, 557 00:40:23,797 --> 00:40:27,843 the DA thought it would be too hard to convict David Stewart of a sex crime, 558 00:40:27,926 --> 00:40:31,847 since it was just a hoax call and he physically wasn't there. 559 00:40:31,930 --> 00:40:32,931 He was on the phone. 560 00:40:36,310 --> 00:40:39,521 Ten years, this individual's making these calls. 561 00:40:39,605 --> 00:40:43,025 I find him, and nobody wants to charge him. 562 00:40:43,108 --> 00:40:45,152 It's fucking unbelievable. 563 00:40:46,028 --> 00:40:48,822 Then, I call Buddy Stump, Mount Washington. 564 00:40:53,118 --> 00:40:57,915 I received a phone call from Vic, and I said, "What's going on down there?" 565 00:40:57,998 --> 00:41:00,792 I'm 650 miles away. "Is he in jail?" 566 00:41:01,627 --> 00:41:05,464 Vic says, "Well, I don't think I've got enough to charge this guy yet." 567 00:41:06,548 --> 00:41:10,302 And I went, "What the hell, you can't charge him? He's at home." 568 00:41:11,261 --> 00:41:14,431 "He knows that he's being looked at by the police, 569 00:41:14,515 --> 00:41:17,768 and you're telling me this guy could skip out, 570 00:41:17,851 --> 00:41:19,102 and we could lose him?" 571 00:41:19,186 --> 00:41:23,899 I thought, "I have worked my ass off on this case for over three months, 572 00:41:23,982 --> 00:41:26,527 and we get him ID'd and he's gonna walk away?" 573 00:41:28,946 --> 00:41:32,282 So I said, "We got to put an end to this shit," 574 00:41:32,366 --> 00:41:36,578 and I went as hard as I could go to get a warrant. 575 00:41:36,662 --> 00:41:39,831 And we met with the county attorney, the commonwealth attorney, 576 00:41:40,415 --> 00:41:41,291 and a district judge, 577 00:41:41,375 --> 00:41:44,419 and the judge issued a warrant to arrest David Stewart. 578 00:41:46,004 --> 00:41:49,466 I called my wife on the phone. I said, "Honey, have my bags packed." 579 00:41:49,550 --> 00:41:51,260 "I'm heading for Panama City, Florida." 580 00:41:55,222 --> 00:41:58,767 His ass is mine. I'm gonna bring him home. 581 00:42:02,437 --> 00:42:04,356 We're gonna have a little justice around here 582 00:42:04,439 --> 00:42:06,316 for all the hell he's put us through. 583 00:42:10,487 --> 00:42:13,574 I mean, what the hell can go wrong? 584 00:42:18,996 --> 00:42:22,082 Well, the police think every case is a slam dunk. 585 00:42:24,042 --> 00:42:30,424 The police's version of what happened is almost never what actually happened. 586 00:42:32,718 --> 00:42:35,137 Do I think my client, David Stewart, is innocent? 587 00:42:36,305 --> 00:42:38,640 I know for a fact he's not guilty.