1 00:00:08,133 --> 00:00:09,426 [newscaster] It has been a week 2 00:00:09,509 --> 00:00:12,220 since Bernie Madoff turned himself in to the FBI. 3 00:00:13,930 --> 00:00:15,530 [man] This guy had enormous credibility. 4 00:00:15,557 --> 00:00:18,411 - [woman] One of the biggest market makers. - [man] If you can't trust him... 5 00:00:18,435 --> 00:00:20,854 - One of the founders of the NASDAQ. - ...who do you trust? 6 00:00:22,063 --> 00:00:24,125 [newscaster 2] How could he pull this off by himself? 7 00:00:24,149 --> 00:00:27,694 [newscaster 3] It seems almost impossible. It has to be that people were included. 8 00:00:27,777 --> 00:00:29,696 Whether they knew what they were doing 9 00:00:29,779 --> 00:00:32,139 - becomes a larger question. - [newscaster 2] Or not. Right. 10 00:00:32,782 --> 00:00:34,743 [brooding music playing] 11 00:00:34,826 --> 00:00:39,414 [Steven N. Garfinkel] One of the unique things about the Madoff investigation 12 00:00:39,497 --> 00:00:44,419 was the fact that it started with a confession and an arrest, 13 00:00:45,003 --> 00:00:47,338 but we knew we had to get more. 14 00:00:48,298 --> 00:00:51,217 So as we were doing our investigation, 15 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,054 we went to the 17th floor, 16 00:00:54,137 --> 00:00:55,513 and we were like... 17 00:00:57,682 --> 00:00:58,808 "Holy shit." 18 00:01:01,019 --> 00:01:06,316 It was almost like walking into a time warp. 19 00:01:07,734 --> 00:01:10,612 It looked like the mid-1980s. 20 00:01:11,821 --> 00:01:16,493 You had these old, big mainframe computers. 21 00:01:17,744 --> 00:01:20,413 There's reams of paper everywhere. 22 00:01:20,497 --> 00:01:23,249 There are file cabinets, boxes. 23 00:01:24,417 --> 00:01:29,130 [Keith Kelly] There are faxes that have come in requesting redemptions. 24 00:01:29,798 --> 00:01:32,300 There are documents laying everywhere. 25 00:01:32,801 --> 00:01:34,094 Very messy, 26 00:01:34,719 --> 00:01:40,517 which is a stark comparison to the 19th floor, which was pristine. 27 00:01:42,977 --> 00:01:47,690 [Garfinkel] The thing that always struck me was the dot matrix printer. 28 00:01:48,191 --> 00:01:53,488 He had this old-school paper, you know, where you tore off the sides of it. 29 00:01:53,988 --> 00:01:57,909 If you invest with any large brokerage firm, 30 00:01:57,992 --> 00:02:01,996 nobody gets a statement on dot matrix paper. 31 00:02:03,206 --> 00:02:08,253 [Kelly] On one desk I found a stack of 5x8 index cards 32 00:02:08,336 --> 00:02:12,423 with handwritten columns depicting cash activity. 33 00:02:12,507 --> 00:02:15,093 Withdrawal, deposit, ending balance. 34 00:02:15,176 --> 00:02:16,594 And the ending balances, 35 00:02:16,678 --> 00:02:20,932 I see four and a half million, and I'm thinking, "Gee, that's a big number." 36 00:02:21,015 --> 00:02:25,395 When I looked at it closer, I realized it was four and a half billion. 37 00:02:25,478 --> 00:02:27,355 [brooding music builds] 38 00:02:27,438 --> 00:02:29,149 [Kelly] And that's when I realized 39 00:02:29,232 --> 00:02:32,277 this is not an ordinary white-collar crime. 40 00:02:32,819 --> 00:02:35,446 [theme music playing] 41 00:02:50,336 --> 00:02:52,797 [somber music playing] 42 00:02:52,881 --> 00:02:57,677 [employee] I started working for Madoff around 1992, in computer operations. 43 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,763 When I first went for the interview at the office, 44 00:03:00,847 --> 00:03:02,682 it was a good conversation, 45 00:03:02,765 --> 00:03:06,686 and the salary that they offered me, I was very happy with the salary. 46 00:03:06,769 --> 00:03:10,607 It was like, double the amount that I made at Federal Express, 47 00:03:10,690 --> 00:03:12,942 and um, I wasn't working out in the rain. 48 00:03:13,026 --> 00:03:15,486 I was working in a nice office building, 49 00:03:16,112 --> 00:03:18,031 and I was more than excited. 50 00:03:18,114 --> 00:03:21,743 But also I was very nervous because it was just something that 51 00:03:22,452 --> 00:03:23,953 I wasn't used to. 52 00:03:24,495 --> 00:03:26,998 When I first started, I worked on the 19th floor. 53 00:03:27,081 --> 00:03:29,834 Everything was on the 19th floor at that time. 54 00:03:29,918 --> 00:03:31,586 The 19th floor was beautiful. 55 00:03:31,669 --> 00:03:35,757 It was all glass, all black and silver decor. 56 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:38,176 Then we moved to the 17th floor. 57 00:03:38,801 --> 00:03:41,763 [suspenseful music playing] 58 00:03:44,224 --> 00:03:46,643 [employee] The 17th floor was totally different. 59 00:03:48,686 --> 00:03:50,526 [deposition lawyer] When you started doing the, 60 00:03:50,563 --> 00:03:53,900 we'll call it the fraudulent investment advisory business, 61 00:03:53,983 --> 00:03:56,402 you moved the people who did that to a separate floor? 62 00:03:56,486 --> 00:03:57,695 [Madoff] That's correct. 63 00:03:57,779 --> 00:04:01,783 We moved the whole advisory side down to the 17th floor. 64 00:04:01,866 --> 00:04:03,952 That was in the, uh, '90s. 65 00:04:06,287 --> 00:04:10,667 [employee] I worked nights, so I saw a lot of the grimy stuff that was going on. 66 00:04:10,750 --> 00:04:15,296 I could see where there was some things that were kind of sketchy. 67 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:17,966 They had an area called the cage. 68 00:04:18,049 --> 00:04:21,344 And the cage is where everything was going down. 69 00:04:21,427 --> 00:04:25,098 You go in there and you'll see them got, like, six-packs in there, 70 00:04:25,181 --> 00:04:27,267 and at that time, you could smoke inside. 71 00:04:27,350 --> 00:04:32,105 Now I see people coming in smashed and go in the back with their mistresses, 72 00:04:32,188 --> 00:04:35,984 or some guys who did coke in there, or whatever. 73 00:04:36,067 --> 00:04:40,238 And I thought that was really crazy, you know? I was like, "Wow." 74 00:04:41,155 --> 00:04:44,534 I was real naive to a lot of this stuff because of the fact that 75 00:04:44,617 --> 00:04:48,663 we still had very heavy hitters in the company who are working down there, 76 00:04:49,330 --> 00:04:52,792 like Bernie Madoff and Frank. 77 00:04:55,003 --> 00:04:57,714 [Madoff] The investment advisory side, 78 00:04:57,797 --> 00:05:00,758 or the 17th floor, as it's referred to, 79 00:05:00,842 --> 00:05:04,053 was basically supervised by Frank DiPascali. 80 00:05:04,137 --> 00:05:07,432 He just ran pretty much everything down on that floor. 81 00:05:07,515 --> 00:05:11,352 [deposition lawyer] Is it fair to say that Frank was in charge of the 17th floor? 82 00:05:11,436 --> 00:05:18,192 Yes. He was very talented when it came to, uh, helping to build the system. 83 00:05:18,276 --> 00:05:20,194 He did pretty much everything. 84 00:05:20,278 --> 00:05:23,740 [intriguing music playing] 85 00:05:25,575 --> 00:05:28,911 [Ellen Hales] Frank DiPascali was a guy that you would expect to run numbers 86 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:30,747 or be shooting craps in the street. 87 00:05:31,414 --> 00:05:38,254 He was definitely, you know, a smart guy, but, you know, like, a streetwise guy. 88 00:05:40,506 --> 00:05:42,550 If Frank had been a mobster, 89 00:05:42,633 --> 00:05:45,303 he would have been the one telling people who to hit. 90 00:05:46,679 --> 00:05:49,182 Frank was Italian, he came from Queens. 91 00:05:49,265 --> 00:05:51,642 I was Italian, I came from Brooklyn. 92 00:05:52,602 --> 00:05:54,062 I couldn't relate to him. 93 00:05:54,937 --> 00:05:57,106 And I should have, I should have. 94 00:05:58,066 --> 00:05:59,400 But we were different. 95 00:06:01,486 --> 00:06:05,239 I remember hearing that Frank was working in a gas station 96 00:06:05,323 --> 00:06:09,911 before working at Madoff, and that he didn't complete college. 97 00:06:10,620 --> 00:06:15,208 If you were going to have somebody run your investment advisory business, 98 00:06:15,291 --> 00:06:19,003 I would certainly think it would be somebody who was educated. 99 00:06:19,754 --> 00:06:21,714 I could just never understand it. 100 00:06:23,091 --> 00:06:27,261 [Hales] It was very clear that Bernie respected Frank a lot. 101 00:06:27,762 --> 00:06:34,727 And for Frank, this was an opportunity to make more money than he ever imagined, 102 00:06:35,228 --> 00:06:39,190 and live the lifestyle he always wanted. 103 00:06:40,191 --> 00:06:44,862 I'm not sure a kid from Howard Beach could have had the kind of yacht he had 104 00:06:45,905 --> 00:06:48,574 and the house in Jersey the way he had, 105 00:06:49,534 --> 00:06:51,911 doing anything else but working for Bernie Madoff. 106 00:06:55,998 --> 00:06:58,418 [employee] Then there was Annette Bongiorno. 107 00:06:58,918 --> 00:07:03,005 [chuckling] Annette... I don't really know what she did. 108 00:07:03,089 --> 00:07:06,426 I knew that she was a heavy hitter and she was a snazzy woman. 109 00:07:06,509 --> 00:07:07,927 Yeah, she dressed nice. 110 00:07:08,010 --> 00:07:10,096 I know Annette was making very good money. 111 00:07:10,179 --> 00:07:13,766 I know she used to have a little drawer with cash in it. 112 00:07:14,642 --> 00:07:17,478 And she would be like, "Go in the drawer and get such-and-such 113 00:07:17,562 --> 00:07:19,897 and order you and such-and-such dinner." 114 00:07:19,981 --> 00:07:23,317 And it was a nice little stack of money she had in there. 115 00:07:23,401 --> 00:07:25,945 [suspenseful music playing] 116 00:07:26,028 --> 00:07:32,535 [Hales] Annette was a working-class woman from Queens, and not a lot of education. 117 00:07:33,744 --> 00:07:36,873 A lot of the people that were on the 17th floor, 118 00:07:36,956 --> 00:07:41,752 Bernie got them in when they were very young, very impressionable. 119 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:44,881 So they would be incredibly loyal 120 00:07:44,964 --> 00:07:47,842 and deferential to him and do whatever he asked. 121 00:07:49,135 --> 00:07:51,596 Annette worshipped Bernie. 122 00:07:51,679 --> 00:07:56,434 And I think she would have taken a bullet for him. 123 00:07:57,435 --> 00:08:00,563 She had her little team downstairs that she controlled, 124 00:08:00,646 --> 00:08:03,733 and Bernie seemed to rely on her quite heavily, 125 00:08:03,816 --> 00:08:06,068 particularly with his biggest clients. 126 00:08:07,945 --> 00:08:10,632 [deposition lawyer] Let's turn to Annette. That's Annette Bongiorno? 127 00:08:10,656 --> 00:08:11,699 [Madoff] Yes. 128 00:08:11,782 --> 00:08:14,582 [deposition lawyer]And what were Annette's day-to-day responsibilities? 129 00:08:14,619 --> 00:08:16,746 [Madoff] She handled the... 130 00:08:16,829 --> 00:08:19,540 uh... the big clients. 131 00:08:20,041 --> 00:08:22,668 [deposition lawyer] And how long did Ms. Bongiorno work for you? 132 00:08:23,503 --> 00:08:24,795 [exhales] 133 00:08:26,672 --> 00:08:28,591 Probably 30-some odd years. 134 00:08:32,845 --> 00:08:34,805 [Hales] No matter what Bernie was doing, 135 00:08:34,889 --> 00:08:37,141 he would drop what he was doing to talk with her. 136 00:08:38,768 --> 00:08:42,688 And I remember thinking at the time, "Boy, Bernie really takes care of her." 137 00:08:43,397 --> 00:08:45,691 He's very loyal to his longtime employees. 138 00:08:46,943 --> 00:08:48,569 She was always going to Palm Beach. 139 00:08:49,487 --> 00:08:51,322 She was always getting some new car. 140 00:08:51,405 --> 00:08:54,033 She lived quite a life, we thought at the time, 141 00:08:54,116 --> 00:08:58,037 for somebody who was a secretary and a clerk, kind of, from Queens. 142 00:09:00,873 --> 00:09:04,794 [tense music playing] 143 00:09:04,877 --> 00:09:10,508 [Squillari] The investment advisory down on the 17th floor was always very busy. 144 00:09:10,591 --> 00:09:12,885 There was always mailings going out. 145 00:09:12,969 --> 00:09:15,346 It was like a buzz of activity going on. 146 00:09:15,930 --> 00:09:18,224 And it was divided into two spaces. 147 00:09:18,307 --> 00:09:20,643 Annette had one side, Frank had another 148 00:09:20,726 --> 00:09:24,105 with the computer guys, Jerry O'Hara and George Perez. 149 00:09:25,356 --> 00:09:27,900 [employee] My supervisor was Jerry O'Hara. 150 00:09:27,984 --> 00:09:29,735 Yeah, he looked over my work. 151 00:09:31,028 --> 00:09:33,739 As a computer operator, I was to print out, like, 152 00:09:33,823 --> 00:09:38,077 these statements for certain stock or securities, 153 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:40,538 but the printers were not fast. 154 00:09:40,621 --> 00:09:43,916 They were very slow, like, dot matrix printers and stuff. 155 00:09:45,001 --> 00:09:47,086 A typical day on the 17th floor, 156 00:09:47,169 --> 00:09:50,965 I would print out probably 700 statements at night. 157 00:09:52,133 --> 00:09:53,718 If I had issues with printing, 158 00:09:53,801 --> 00:09:56,053 I would call them, and they would troubleshoot it. 159 00:09:56,137 --> 00:09:58,431 They wouldn't be like, "Leave it till the morning." 160 00:09:58,514 --> 00:10:01,350 They would want to get it done right then. 161 00:10:01,434 --> 00:10:06,397 If it came out smudged or wasn't done the right way, they would print it over, 162 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,692 and then we would mail them out to the different clients. 163 00:10:10,318 --> 00:10:13,946 They ran a tight ship with every little detail that went on. 164 00:10:19,410 --> 00:10:22,830 One of the reasons I chose to be in silhouette is because 165 00:10:22,913 --> 00:10:27,043 I don't want to be part of anything that's still going on with that case. 166 00:10:27,126 --> 00:10:30,963 I know the Madoffs did some very bad things to some people, 167 00:10:31,047 --> 00:10:33,132 and I feel bad for the people they did it to, 168 00:10:33,215 --> 00:10:35,718 but they were good people to me, 169 00:10:35,801 --> 00:10:38,596 and I can't say nothing bad about them. 170 00:10:40,473 --> 00:10:43,267 Bernie Madoff's fraud was not a complex fraud. 171 00:10:44,268 --> 00:10:46,520 It involved simply taking people's money, 172 00:10:46,604 --> 00:10:49,482 telling them he was going to invest it, and he never did. 173 00:10:49,565 --> 00:10:51,108 [suspenseful music playing] 174 00:10:51,192 --> 00:10:54,779 [Dubinsky] So, to continue the Ponzi and perpetrate this fraud, 175 00:10:54,862 --> 00:10:59,283 he had his handful of soldiers at the investment advisory side of the business, 176 00:10:59,367 --> 00:11:01,077 create fake trades. 177 00:11:01,994 --> 00:11:05,122 It was very easy to create a fictitious trade 178 00:11:05,206 --> 00:11:08,584 if you know what it traded for yesterday. 179 00:11:08,668 --> 00:11:13,005 It's like going to the horse races and betting on yesterday's horse race. 180 00:11:13,089 --> 00:11:15,132 It was just a key punch operation. 181 00:11:15,216 --> 00:11:20,221 People sat around and key-punched this historical information into the computer 182 00:11:20,304 --> 00:11:23,891 to make it look like they bought Amazon a month ago 183 00:11:23,974 --> 00:11:26,018 and sold it yesterday at a profit. 184 00:11:26,811 --> 00:11:31,107 George Perez and Jerry O'Hara had computer programs 185 00:11:31,190 --> 00:11:33,442 that took the information from the fake trades 186 00:11:33,526 --> 00:11:35,903 and put them on a customer statement, 187 00:11:35,986 --> 00:11:39,198 so when you, the customer, got it, it looked real. 188 00:11:43,452 --> 00:11:48,874 The complexity was how many clients he had to deal with in the '90s and 2000s. 189 00:11:48,958 --> 00:11:51,043 Almost 5,000 clients. 190 00:11:52,002 --> 00:11:53,421 It was a paper mill. 191 00:11:54,004 --> 00:11:57,842 It's an iterative process of punching in fake trades, 192 00:11:57,925 --> 00:12:00,010 seeing what the returns look like, 193 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,763 shredding those statements, 194 00:12:02,847 --> 00:12:05,182 punching in new trades with different prices 195 00:12:05,266 --> 00:12:07,435 to make the returns even better, 196 00:12:08,018 --> 00:12:11,105 and then eventually mailing those to customers. 197 00:12:13,149 --> 00:12:17,570 Mr. Madoff, importantly, never provided electronic access 198 00:12:17,653 --> 00:12:20,197 for people to access their account statements. 199 00:12:20,281 --> 00:12:22,408 He didn't want people to have electronic access 200 00:12:22,491 --> 00:12:24,452 to see what was going on behind the curtain. 201 00:12:27,663 --> 00:12:32,168 The 17th floor really operated, in a sense, like a bookie operation, 202 00:12:32,918 --> 00:12:36,172 and somebody had to keep track of all the money in and out. 203 00:12:36,255 --> 00:12:39,425 [suspenseful music playing] 204 00:12:41,010 --> 00:12:47,933 Jodi Crupi was another one of these um, unsophisticated types 205 00:12:48,017 --> 00:12:52,229 that Bernie brought in to be an instrumental part of the scheme. 206 00:12:53,689 --> 00:12:58,861 Her job, towards the end, was to manage what was called "Jodi's pad." 207 00:12:58,944 --> 00:13:02,323 It was actually a tally done every day 208 00:13:02,406 --> 00:13:06,744 of the ins and outs of cashflow from the JP Morgan bank account, 209 00:13:06,827 --> 00:13:09,205 known as the infamous 703 account, 210 00:13:09,288 --> 00:13:12,833 which represents the last three digits of the account number, 211 00:13:12,917 --> 00:13:15,503 which we now know as the Ponzi account. 212 00:13:15,586 --> 00:13:19,715 And every day at the end of business, the tally would be delivered to Bernie, 213 00:13:19,799 --> 00:13:22,593 so Bernie knew exactly what came in and what went out. 214 00:13:23,636 --> 00:13:25,556 [Dubinsky] This was very important to Mr. Madoff, 215 00:13:25,596 --> 00:13:29,558 obviously, when you're running a Ponzi, to understand how much money you have 216 00:13:29,642 --> 00:13:33,771 to make sure you get enough cash on hand to meet some of these withdrawal requests. 217 00:13:35,231 --> 00:13:38,818 That's why the 17th floor was so important for Bernie Madoff. 218 00:13:38,901 --> 00:13:44,198 When you control a few people that you can keep quiet for a long time, 219 00:13:44,281 --> 00:13:48,285 that's how you can perpetrate this fraud for four decades or longer. 220 00:13:51,080 --> 00:13:53,415 [Squillari] The investment advisory business, 221 00:13:53,499 --> 00:13:55,459 down on the 17th floor, 222 00:13:55,543 --> 00:13:58,921 nobody had access to it except the employees who worked down there. 223 00:13:59,004 --> 00:14:02,842 I had a card key because I would have to go back and forth for Bernie. 224 00:14:02,925 --> 00:14:06,053 And even when I went down, nobody encouraged you to stay. 225 00:14:06,136 --> 00:14:08,514 Nobody wanted to have a conversation. 226 00:14:09,014 --> 00:14:11,684 [tense music playing] 227 00:14:11,767 --> 00:14:14,603 [Hales] The 17th floor was a real enigma. 228 00:14:15,354 --> 00:14:18,315 I don't know that we... The people that I knew on the trading floor, 229 00:14:18,399 --> 00:14:21,902 that we ever really knew what went on down there. 230 00:14:21,986 --> 00:14:24,113 We didn't talk about the trading side to them, 231 00:14:24,196 --> 00:14:27,241 and they didn't talk about whatever they were doing on their side. 232 00:14:27,324 --> 00:14:29,910 [intriguing music playing] 233 00:14:29,994 --> 00:14:32,496 [Andrew Cohen] Madoff was a family-dominated firm, 234 00:14:32,580 --> 00:14:35,833 so Bernie was the top of everything. 235 00:14:35,916 --> 00:14:39,378 His family had all the key positions on the 19th floor. 236 00:14:39,461 --> 00:14:42,464 His younger brother, Peter, was the compliance officer, 237 00:14:42,548 --> 00:14:46,719 and Bernie gave his sons, Mark and Andy, both very young, a lot of responsibility. 238 00:14:46,802 --> 00:14:48,178 They ran the trading floor. 239 00:14:49,305 --> 00:14:53,392 [Hales] His sons both worked for the firm since the day they graduated college. 240 00:14:53,475 --> 00:14:56,645 [Cohen] And because they were Madoffs, we had to listen to them. 241 00:14:56,729 --> 00:14:59,899 I thought I was a, you know, much better trader than Mark, 242 00:14:59,982 --> 00:15:03,944 but I couldn't beat him in an argument because he was Mark Madoff. 243 00:15:04,028 --> 00:15:06,655 Andy'd joke with me, he said, "This is nepotism central." 244 00:15:08,782 --> 00:15:10,409 [Hales] Mark and Andy both felt 245 00:15:10,492 --> 00:15:13,329 that they needed to understand the whole business, 246 00:15:13,412 --> 00:15:17,082 including what Bernie was doing on the 17th floor 247 00:15:17,166 --> 00:15:18,918 with the investment advisory business, 248 00:15:19,001 --> 00:15:21,503 and Bernie wouldn't talk to them about it. 249 00:15:23,213 --> 00:15:27,301 There was this line that Bernie had drawn 250 00:15:27,384 --> 00:15:31,680 that separated the boys from what he was doing on 17. 251 00:15:31,764 --> 00:15:33,390 [inaudible] 252 00:15:33,474 --> 00:15:37,394 [Hales] As far as I know, Mark and Andy weren't allowed on the 17th floor, 253 00:15:38,437 --> 00:15:40,105 and it really bothered them. 254 00:15:40,189 --> 00:15:41,065 [inaudible] 255 00:15:41,148 --> 00:15:45,277 [Hales] I remember thinking how kind of strange it was 256 00:15:45,361 --> 00:15:49,615 that he would seem more interested in pulling Frank in 257 00:15:49,698 --> 00:15:51,659 than he was his own sons. 258 00:15:54,370 --> 00:15:56,038 Bernie basically told them, 259 00:15:56,121 --> 00:15:59,625 "I'll manage my side of the business. You manage yours. Mind your business." 260 00:16:00,334 --> 00:16:03,003 Even his own sons couldn't question him. 261 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:13,013 [Diana B. Henriques] Since at least the late 1800s, 262 00:16:13,097 --> 00:16:17,851 the sign of real success on Wall Street and in the world of finance in New York, 263 00:16:17,935 --> 00:16:20,896 was to be able to play golf all winter. 264 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:23,315 To go somewhere where it was warm and sunny, 265 00:16:24,149 --> 00:16:26,777 to get away from the New York slush. 266 00:16:27,945 --> 00:16:31,782 Bernie and Ruth set their sights on Palm Beach, 267 00:16:31,865 --> 00:16:35,369 which was one of the most exclusive enclaves 268 00:16:35,452 --> 00:16:37,579 along the eastern coast of Florida. 269 00:16:38,664 --> 00:16:41,375 They purchased a home there 270 00:16:41,458 --> 00:16:46,588 and began to participate in the seasonal social life of Palm Beach. 271 00:16:46,672 --> 00:16:51,010 And Bernie and Ruth were accepted as members to the Palm Beach Country Club. 272 00:16:52,136 --> 00:16:57,766 The Palm Beach Country Club, unlike a few competing clubs of longer standing, 273 00:16:57,850 --> 00:17:00,227 was open to both Jews and non-Jews. 274 00:17:00,936 --> 00:17:04,982 Most of the Jewish families turned there for their country club membership. 275 00:17:06,316 --> 00:17:07,876 [Leonid Feldman] I had many congregants 276 00:17:07,901 --> 00:17:10,738 who were members of the Palm Beach Country Club. 277 00:17:11,989 --> 00:17:17,411 I came to America after being a dissident, or what we used to call refusenik. 278 00:17:18,203 --> 00:17:20,497 I'm originally from the former Soviet Union. 279 00:17:21,248 --> 00:17:24,877 When I applied for the position to be the rabbi of Temple Emanu-El, 280 00:17:24,960 --> 00:17:27,379 they said, "Rabbi, do you own a tuxedo?" 281 00:17:27,463 --> 00:17:31,675 I said, "What? I rented a tuxedo a couple of times in my life." 282 00:17:31,759 --> 00:17:34,928 They said "No, no, no, you will need at least one tuxedo, 283 00:17:35,012 --> 00:17:37,347 because you will go to a lot of fundraising events." 284 00:17:38,182 --> 00:17:44,855 Because Palm Beach is one of the major capitals of fundraising in the world, 285 00:17:44,938 --> 00:17:46,648 including Jewish causes. 286 00:17:47,858 --> 00:17:49,193 From what I understand, 287 00:17:49,276 --> 00:17:53,739 to join the club, you have to show your charitable contributions, 288 00:17:53,822 --> 00:17:57,493 in addition to the $300,000, which you will never see. 289 00:17:57,576 --> 00:18:00,954 This is just to join, to show, "Yes, I believe in this club." 290 00:18:01,038 --> 00:18:05,209 So, fundraising is a very important part of life in Palm Beach, 291 00:18:05,292 --> 00:18:09,088 and that probably is the reason why he ended up here. 292 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:14,384 It is an interesting question. Why did Bernie Madoff pick Palm Beach? 293 00:18:14,468 --> 00:18:16,762 He did not go to Silicon Valley. 294 00:18:16,845 --> 00:18:19,932 He did not go to Bedford, New York or Scarsdale. 295 00:18:20,015 --> 00:18:23,894 Because in Palm Beach, Jews are allowed only in one club, 296 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,480 and this is where Madoff discovered 297 00:18:26,563 --> 00:18:31,568 that this is a very easy way for him to get new investors. 298 00:18:31,652 --> 00:18:33,445 Make it very exclusive. 299 00:18:33,529 --> 00:18:37,616 And from what I remember, people said, "It's impossible to get in." 300 00:18:38,283 --> 00:18:41,245 Somebody would come and say, "I want to invest a million dollars." 301 00:18:41,328 --> 00:18:42,246 He says, "No." 302 00:18:42,329 --> 00:18:44,123 He would turn people down. 303 00:18:44,206 --> 00:18:46,208 He created this excitement 304 00:18:46,291 --> 00:18:49,670 that you had to go through somebody who knows somebody who knows somebody, 305 00:18:49,753 --> 00:18:51,755 maybe he will take your money. 306 00:18:51,839 --> 00:18:55,342 He did you a favor to take your five million dollars. 307 00:18:55,425 --> 00:18:56,468 He was brilliant. 308 00:18:59,388 --> 00:19:02,766 [deposition lawyer] Did you solicit new investment advisory customers? 309 00:19:02,850 --> 00:19:04,977 - [Madoff] No. - [deposition lawyer] Why not? 310 00:19:05,561 --> 00:19:07,771 [Madoff] Because the firm was in a position 311 00:19:07,855 --> 00:19:10,399 that we were always turning away investors. 312 00:19:10,482 --> 00:19:14,194 We never, uh, never solicited new monies coming in. 313 00:19:14,945 --> 00:19:18,532 As a matter of fact, we tried to return monies at times, 314 00:19:18,615 --> 00:19:21,201 but met resistance with clients. 315 00:19:22,578 --> 00:19:25,622 [reflective music playing] 316 00:19:27,958 --> 00:19:32,129 [Bette Greenfield] My father invested all of his money with Bernie Madoff. 317 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,716 He was so impressed by Bernie Madoff. 318 00:19:35,799 --> 00:19:37,885 I mean, really, really impressed. 319 00:19:37,968 --> 00:19:43,056 The dream of Jewish people like my father 320 00:19:43,140 --> 00:19:48,562 was to earn money, invest it and live off the interest. 321 00:19:50,105 --> 00:19:54,151 [Richard Schwartz] Originally, it was just my father, my mother, sister and myself, 322 00:19:54,234 --> 00:19:56,069 put a certain amount of money in, 323 00:19:56,153 --> 00:19:57,863 got a return the next quarter. 324 00:19:59,114 --> 00:20:02,951 My father said, "Okay, let's put another investment in." 325 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:06,705 And now we included my brother-in-law and my wife. 326 00:20:06,788 --> 00:20:10,667 And by the time 2008 rolled around, 327 00:20:10,751 --> 00:20:12,878 my kids were in it, 328 00:20:12,961 --> 00:20:14,671 my nieces and nephews were in it, 329 00:20:14,755 --> 00:20:16,006 and some of their kids. 330 00:20:16,089 --> 00:20:18,550 So this was my father's pride and joy. 331 00:20:18,634 --> 00:20:22,221 It was a legacy for him to provide to his family, 332 00:20:22,304 --> 00:20:24,932 and he was extremely proud of it. 333 00:20:27,517 --> 00:20:32,439 [Greenfield] My father, he had a stack of statements 334 00:20:33,315 --> 00:20:36,777 from this Bernie Madoff company, 335 00:20:36,860 --> 00:20:39,738 and he says, "Look at this, look at how much you're making." 336 00:20:39,821 --> 00:20:42,282 He says, "This guy is brilliant." 337 00:20:43,784 --> 00:20:47,788 And I said, "Dad, I don't understand this." 338 00:20:47,871 --> 00:20:53,168 "How come everybody else is getting 8%, 7%, 339 00:20:53,252 --> 00:20:55,045 and you're getting 15?" 340 00:20:56,588 --> 00:20:57,881 And he said, 341 00:20:59,341 --> 00:21:00,634 the typical, 342 00:21:01,635 --> 00:21:04,346 "Don't worry your pretty little head." 343 00:21:05,973 --> 00:21:10,060 [Schwartz] A lot of his procedures and methods struck me as odd. 344 00:21:11,436 --> 00:21:14,398 When he supposedly bought stock at all these companies, 345 00:21:14,481 --> 00:21:17,651 we wouldn't get confirmations for maybe two, three weeks afterwards. 346 00:21:18,318 --> 00:21:22,447 We didn't question it, but we certainly didn't get it in a timely fashion. 347 00:21:22,531 --> 00:21:25,409 And it was very difficult to communicate with them. 348 00:21:25,492 --> 00:21:29,621 Basically, one of the rules we learned early on was 349 00:21:29,705 --> 00:21:31,540 he was pretty much the Soup Nazi. 350 00:21:31,623 --> 00:21:33,875 Excuse me, I-I-I think you forgot my bread. 351 00:21:33,959 --> 00:21:35,836 - You want bread? - Yes, please. 352 00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:36,795 Three dollars! 353 00:21:36,878 --> 00:21:38,213 [audience laughter] 354 00:21:38,297 --> 00:21:39,840 - What? - No soup for you! 355 00:21:40,716 --> 00:21:42,843 [audience laughter] 356 00:21:42,926 --> 00:21:44,966 "You're asking too many questions? No soup for you." 357 00:21:45,012 --> 00:21:47,532 "I'm gonna send your check back." That's exactly the way it was. 358 00:21:49,057 --> 00:21:50,642 [Madoff] Customers would never call me 359 00:21:50,726 --> 00:21:52,936 and ask me to discuss their statement with them. 360 00:21:53,020 --> 00:21:56,648 It was not something that I would discuss with the customer. 361 00:21:56,732 --> 00:21:59,818 If they called me up and said to me, "I want my money back," 362 00:21:59,901 --> 00:22:03,655 I would say to them, "If you force me to sell it out, I'll sell it out." 363 00:22:03,739 --> 00:22:06,033 "I'm sending your money back, don't come back." 364 00:22:06,116 --> 00:22:07,796 People said, "Oh no, no, no, that's okay." 365 00:22:07,826 --> 00:22:10,620 "Whatever you're doing is fine. Just keep it going." 366 00:22:10,704 --> 00:22:15,459 So, they were buying into something that had a track record. 367 00:22:15,542 --> 00:22:19,504 It was five, 10, 15, 20 years going when they got involved. 368 00:22:19,588 --> 00:22:21,381 So what's there to doubt? 369 00:22:21,923 --> 00:22:25,552 [Feldman] Did people trust him more because he was Jewish? 370 00:22:25,635 --> 00:22:29,348 Yes. Perhaps there is an element of, "Oh, he's one of us." 371 00:22:29,431 --> 00:22:33,435 "He's a contributing member of the society, of the community." 372 00:22:36,605 --> 00:22:39,358 But we need to know Jewish history. 373 00:22:39,900 --> 00:22:43,862 Jewish people were not welcome in most places on Earth, 374 00:22:44,488 --> 00:22:46,531 and especially in Palm Beach. 375 00:22:47,324 --> 00:22:48,533 For many years, 376 00:22:48,617 --> 00:22:50,327 it was impossible to buy a house, 377 00:22:50,410 --> 00:22:53,163 it was impossible to get into any of the clubs, 378 00:22:53,246 --> 00:22:59,086 even famous hotels, until 1960s, '65, I think. 379 00:22:59,169 --> 00:23:03,215 There was a sign there, "No Jews, no dogs." 380 00:23:04,549 --> 00:23:07,469 [Schwartz] It wasn't a religious thing, it was a social thing 381 00:23:07,552 --> 00:23:12,307 that the Jewish community learned to build a wall around themselves. 382 00:23:12,391 --> 00:23:14,851 They weren't against other people, 383 00:23:14,935 --> 00:23:17,646 they just didn't trust them that they'd be treated fairly. 384 00:23:22,025 --> 00:23:26,154 [Henriques] They trusted Bernie because everybody they knew trusted Bernie. 385 00:23:26,238 --> 00:23:31,952 And it was inconceivable to them that one of their own would defraud them. 386 00:23:37,290 --> 00:23:40,085 [Squillari] I remember one time the receptionist called me up. 387 00:23:40,168 --> 00:23:43,672 She says, "You're not gonna believe this." A couple of elderly women came in, 388 00:23:43,755 --> 00:23:46,633 and they wanted to meet Bernie, and he came out, 389 00:23:46,716 --> 00:23:49,052 and she says, "You'd think they met a movie star." 390 00:23:49,970 --> 00:23:52,639 Some of these elderly people could be very sweet. 391 00:23:52,722 --> 00:23:54,724 You know, I guess he was like... 392 00:23:55,642 --> 00:23:57,352 He could be their Jewish son. 393 00:23:57,436 --> 00:23:59,938 He was taking care of them, investing their money. 394 00:24:00,689 --> 00:24:01,982 They admired him. 395 00:24:02,858 --> 00:24:03,858 I did. 396 00:24:06,319 --> 00:24:08,780 You had people who were wealthy, 397 00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:11,491 and people who weren't and it was their life savings, 398 00:24:11,575 --> 00:24:15,370 but it wasn't necessarily just Jewish people, it was everybody. 399 00:24:17,706 --> 00:24:23,795 By this point, Bernie's investment advisory business has grown, 400 00:24:23,879 --> 00:24:27,716 word-of-mouth, largely, grown and grown and grown. 401 00:24:27,799 --> 00:24:31,845 So, Bernie is collecting names, 402 00:24:31,928 --> 00:24:34,931 moving in more significant circles. 403 00:24:35,015 --> 00:24:39,853 That allows him to really tap into this burgeoning world of hedge funds. 404 00:24:40,437 --> 00:24:45,609 Now, the original name for hedge funds was "hedged funds." 405 00:24:45,692 --> 00:24:47,903 And a fund that was hedged was simply a fund 406 00:24:47,986 --> 00:24:50,989 that wasn't betting on everything just going up. 407 00:24:51,072 --> 00:24:54,326 It had taken stakes in the market if prices went down. 408 00:24:54,409 --> 00:24:56,870 So, you've hedged your bets. 409 00:24:57,746 --> 00:25:00,290 Hedge funds had been around for a long time, 410 00:25:00,373 --> 00:25:03,752 but through the '80s and into the '90s, 411 00:25:03,835 --> 00:25:06,671 there's a sea change in the world of retail investors. 412 00:25:07,297 --> 00:25:12,010 This is when Silicon Valley startups are starting to be so attractive, 413 00:25:12,093 --> 00:25:14,804 when professional mutual fund managers are saying, 414 00:25:14,888 --> 00:25:17,933 "You know, I can make a lot more money running a hedge fund." 415 00:25:18,016 --> 00:25:20,936 However, as they became more popular, 416 00:25:21,019 --> 00:25:25,732 as every Tom, Dick, and Harry decided he could be a hedge fund manager too, 417 00:25:25,815 --> 00:25:29,486 this original, classic strategy of hedging your bets 418 00:25:29,569 --> 00:25:31,112 was thrown out the window. 419 00:25:31,196 --> 00:25:34,616 They were simply collecting money in a pool 420 00:25:35,367 --> 00:25:38,245 and investing it with somebody like Bernie Madoff. 421 00:25:44,584 --> 00:25:49,631 Jeffrey Tucker, who was a former SEC regulator, 422 00:25:50,215 --> 00:25:51,967 and Walter Noel, 423 00:25:52,050 --> 00:25:57,097 a classic prep-school-bred aristocrat on Wall Street, 424 00:25:57,180 --> 00:26:00,809 had teamed up to form Fairfield Greenwich, a hedge fund. 425 00:26:01,476 --> 00:26:06,189 And Jeffrey Tucker's, um, father-in-law, knew Madoff, 426 00:26:07,524 --> 00:26:09,317 and made the introduction. 427 00:26:09,401 --> 00:26:13,863 So, Walter Noel, Jeffrey Tucker, they go to visit Bernie, 428 00:26:14,990 --> 00:26:17,617 and Bernie's right-hand man, Frank DiPascali. 429 00:26:17,701 --> 00:26:20,328 [string music playing] 430 00:26:20,412 --> 00:26:25,875 [Henriques] Madoff explains his split-strike conversion strategy to them. 431 00:26:26,501 --> 00:26:31,214 But in the parlance of Wall Street, it was simply called a bull spread. 432 00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:35,343 It was a strategy that you use to ride a bull market up, 433 00:26:35,427 --> 00:26:38,888 but to put a floor under your losses 434 00:26:38,972 --> 00:26:41,683 so that you wouldn't lose too much. 435 00:26:42,726 --> 00:26:45,729 And that's what Bernie started to market. 436 00:26:47,230 --> 00:26:49,899 Bernie deliberately made it seem complex, 437 00:26:49,983 --> 00:26:54,321 but it seemed to give them what they wanted from Bernie: 438 00:26:55,071 --> 00:26:57,115 consistent returns. 439 00:26:59,242 --> 00:27:01,870 But what really appeals to them 440 00:27:02,746 --> 00:27:07,292 is something they'd never seen before in the burgeoning world of hedge funds: 441 00:27:07,375 --> 00:27:10,045 the fee structure was luscious. 442 00:27:10,128 --> 00:27:12,839 The rule was 2 and 20. 443 00:27:12,922 --> 00:27:15,216 The manager, that is, Fairfield Greenwich, 444 00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:19,971 would get 2% of all the assets invested, just right off the top. 445 00:27:20,055 --> 00:27:24,142 That's their annual fee for managing your money. 446 00:27:24,225 --> 00:27:29,064 And then, they would get 20% of the profits they made for you. 447 00:27:29,147 --> 00:27:32,359 In a normal world with a normal money manager, 448 00:27:32,442 --> 00:27:37,238 Walter Noel and Jeffrey Tucker would have to split their fee, 449 00:27:37,322 --> 00:27:41,201 the fee they collected from their investors, with Madoff. 450 00:27:42,243 --> 00:27:44,412 But Madoff doesn't require that. 451 00:27:44,996 --> 00:27:48,458 Madoff lets them keep the entire fee 452 00:27:48,541 --> 00:27:51,127 without paying him anything but commissions 453 00:27:51,211 --> 00:27:53,880 on the trades he's supposedly making for them. 454 00:27:54,464 --> 00:27:58,593 To call this unusual would be a vast understatement. 455 00:27:59,135 --> 00:28:00,970 It was unprecedented. 456 00:28:01,471 --> 00:28:04,766 It was the most attractive deal 457 00:28:04,849 --> 00:28:07,686 a hedge fund manager could find on the planet. 458 00:28:09,521 --> 00:28:14,025 Now, to give him credit, Jeffrey Tucker asks questions. 459 00:28:14,651 --> 00:28:16,403 He's the due diligence guy. 460 00:28:18,154 --> 00:28:24,953 But, at this point, Bernie firmly adopts the strategy that will serve him so well. 461 00:28:26,121 --> 00:28:30,041 "If you've got all those questions, maybe you should take your money out." 462 00:28:30,792 --> 00:28:32,794 "You know, I don't have time for this." 463 00:28:34,379 --> 00:28:38,675 And so, Fairfield Greenwich decided to invest with Bernie Madoff. 464 00:28:39,801 --> 00:28:45,390 Fairfield Greenwich was really Bernie's first big hedge fund client. 465 00:28:49,102 --> 00:28:53,523 I worked for Fairfield Greenwich Group founder Walter Noel 466 00:28:53,606 --> 00:28:56,234 from 1987 to 1998. 467 00:28:57,861 --> 00:29:02,490 I think that Walter Noel and his family were very pretentious. 468 00:29:02,991 --> 00:29:04,868 When Walter first started out, 469 00:29:04,951 --> 00:29:09,414 he tried to pretend that he was rich because they wanted to be in high society. 470 00:29:09,497 --> 00:29:13,293 [refined choral music playing] 471 00:29:13,376 --> 00:29:16,296 [Sherry] I heard that he would refinance his mortgage constantly. 472 00:29:17,172 --> 00:29:22,177 He would rent out his house to help defray the expenses of a vacation in Europe. 473 00:29:22,260 --> 00:29:24,763 He did his own lawn for a while. 474 00:29:26,055 --> 00:29:30,185 And his mother-in-law was giving his wife some money to help her each month. 475 00:29:31,352 --> 00:29:34,105 But Walter was very good at selling himself. 476 00:29:34,689 --> 00:29:36,941 He lived an aspirational lifestyle. 477 00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:41,946 So, he made sure that he was at the right clubs and he was very gregarious 478 00:29:42,030 --> 00:29:44,699 and was very much into networking with people. 479 00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:49,621 I thought, "Well, okay, that's kind of harmless, because so what?" [chuckles] 480 00:29:50,413 --> 00:29:52,957 Then Bernie Madoff came on the scene, 481 00:29:53,041 --> 00:29:56,044 and that's when things just exploded. 482 00:29:56,127 --> 00:29:58,630 It was like finding the goose that laid the golden egg. 483 00:30:00,048 --> 00:30:05,261 The money started to really roll in very quickly, and a lot of it. 484 00:30:05,345 --> 00:30:08,973 And he stopped mowing his own lawn. He stopped renting his house out. 485 00:30:11,267 --> 00:30:12,852 [phone ringing] 486 00:30:12,936 --> 00:30:18,066 [Henriques] Bernie experienced this avalanche of cash flowing in 487 00:30:18,149 --> 00:30:19,734 from the hedge fund world. 488 00:30:20,443 --> 00:30:23,488 Part of that was just the curious and glamorous structure 489 00:30:23,571 --> 00:30:25,031 of the Walter Noel family. 490 00:30:26,115 --> 00:30:28,451 He had five gorgeous daughters. 491 00:30:29,035 --> 00:30:32,455 Each of them seemed to marry into the moneyed aristocracy 492 00:30:32,539 --> 00:30:34,707 of a different part of the globe. 493 00:30:35,542 --> 00:30:38,711 One married a Latin American heir, 494 00:30:38,795 --> 00:30:41,422 another married a Swiss investor 495 00:30:41,506 --> 00:30:44,259 who had great ties in Latin America and the Middle East. 496 00:30:45,677 --> 00:30:50,265 So, with Fairfield Greenwich and all of these sons-in-law, 497 00:30:50,348 --> 00:30:53,643 Bernie had, like, instant global credibility 498 00:30:53,726 --> 00:30:57,564 and access to global cash. 499 00:30:59,774 --> 00:31:02,360 [Sherry] It took me a long time to understand 500 00:31:02,443 --> 00:31:05,572 what was so special about Bernie Madoff's trades. 501 00:31:07,574 --> 00:31:12,829 And then one of Walter's clients wanted to see what stocks were in that portfolio. 502 00:31:12,912 --> 00:31:15,331 So, he hands me seven pages 503 00:31:15,415 --> 00:31:18,376 that were printed on a dot matrix printer, 504 00:31:19,210 --> 00:31:22,964 on thin paper and in very poor quality ink. 505 00:31:23,047 --> 00:31:26,092 And I thought to myself, "What a schlock operation." 506 00:31:26,175 --> 00:31:29,012 I mean, it looked like he was working out of his basement 507 00:31:29,095 --> 00:31:31,472 with cinder block walls. [chuckles] 508 00:31:31,556 --> 00:31:33,558 This was not the way a statement looks, 509 00:31:33,641 --> 00:31:36,185 because every statement from a bank, 510 00:31:36,269 --> 00:31:38,938 from a brokerage house, from a credit union, 511 00:31:39,022 --> 00:31:42,901 is on premium paper, and it's got a nice, big, color logo, 512 00:31:42,984 --> 00:31:46,487 and it's got a lot of fine print, and it's got a phone number where to call 513 00:31:46,571 --> 00:31:49,407 if there's a problem or if you have a question. 514 00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:51,492 Bernie Madoff statements had none of that. 515 00:31:54,996 --> 00:31:57,391 [Dubinsky] Hedge funds are important to Madoff's Ponzi scheme 516 00:31:57,415 --> 00:31:59,626 because it was a way to funnel money in. 517 00:31:59,709 --> 00:32:02,754 So, the hedge funds were basically feeder funds, 518 00:32:02,837 --> 00:32:05,381 collecting money from other investors, 519 00:32:05,465 --> 00:32:09,469 and then they would put that money in, on behalf of those investors, into Madoff. 520 00:32:10,219 --> 00:32:14,474 And so the question then is how many of these feeder funds were complicit, 521 00:32:14,557 --> 00:32:16,434 or whether they turned a blind eye 522 00:32:16,517 --> 00:32:18,645 and just stuck their head in the sand and said, 523 00:32:18,728 --> 00:32:22,357 "Look, as long as I'm getting the returns, I'm not gonna ask any more questions." 524 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,860 But you certainly have to question, you know, 525 00:32:25,944 --> 00:32:29,989 what was going through their mind at that point, uh, 526 00:32:30,073 --> 00:32:32,075 when they invested with Bernie Madoff. 527 00:32:35,203 --> 00:32:39,707 So, Mr. Madoff promised some of the larger individual clients 528 00:32:39,791 --> 00:32:41,417 a higher rate of return. 529 00:32:41,501 --> 00:32:44,545 Those were kind of the big four, so to speak. 530 00:32:45,254 --> 00:32:49,968 [deposition lawyer] You had agreements with Norman Levy, Carl Shapiro... 531 00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:51,051 [Madoff] Right. 532 00:32:51,552 --> 00:32:53,888 - [deposition lawyer] With Jeffry Picower? - [Madoff] Yes. 533 00:32:53,972 --> 00:32:55,848 - [lawyer] And Stanley Chais? - [Madoff] Right. 534 00:32:55,932 --> 00:33:00,061 I had a very special relationship with the big four clients, all right? 535 00:33:00,144 --> 00:33:02,230 Picower was a little bit different. 536 00:33:03,022 --> 00:33:08,778 [Henriques] I asked Madoff whether he thought anybody among his big investors 537 00:33:08,861 --> 00:33:10,530 knew what he was doing. 538 00:33:10,613 --> 00:33:15,201 And the one name he came up with was Picower. 539 00:33:15,284 --> 00:33:17,495 He said, "I think he knew." 540 00:33:17,578 --> 00:33:20,873 "We never discussed it. Never confronted one another." 541 00:33:23,376 --> 00:33:27,005 [Dubinsky] Jeffry Picower was a longtime client of Mr. Madoff's, 542 00:33:27,755 --> 00:33:29,924 dating back over 30 years. 543 00:33:30,008 --> 00:33:32,260 He was a lawyer, he was an accountant, 544 00:33:32,343 --> 00:33:35,013 who started his career selling tax shelters. 545 00:33:35,596 --> 00:33:38,099 [Henriques] Picower is kind of this shadowy figure. 546 00:33:38,641 --> 00:33:43,187 He invested north of $600 million in his Madoff account, 547 00:33:43,813 --> 00:33:50,653 and then between 1998 and 2003, Picower begins drawing money out. 548 00:33:51,946 --> 00:33:57,785 And the amount of money that he was taking out was really quite staggering. 549 00:33:57,869 --> 00:34:00,621 Hundreds of millions of dollars at a time. 550 00:34:00,705 --> 00:34:03,458 A billion dollars in one particular year. 551 00:34:04,542 --> 00:34:08,254 It had to have been very difficult for Bernie to deal with. 552 00:34:08,337 --> 00:34:12,383 He had to raise the money to cover Picower's withdrawals. In fact, 553 00:34:12,467 --> 00:34:17,305 at one point, virtually all the money that Fairfield Greenwich, the feeder fund, 554 00:34:17,388 --> 00:34:19,057 was steering into Bernie's hands, 555 00:34:19,140 --> 00:34:22,727 Bernie was turning around and paying out to Jeffry Picower. 556 00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:27,440 [Campbell] If you look at the entire length of their relationship, 557 00:34:27,523 --> 00:34:33,321 Picower took out $7 billion from Bernie's investment advisory business. 558 00:34:33,863 --> 00:34:36,908 And yet Bernie becomes totally dependent on Picower, 559 00:34:36,991 --> 00:34:40,953 because while Picower was extracting billions of dollars, 560 00:34:41,037 --> 00:34:45,041 he also puts money in, even if it's just for a brief period of time, 561 00:34:45,124 --> 00:34:49,128 when the Ponzi's threatened by periodic cash crunches, 562 00:34:49,212 --> 00:34:52,006 bailing Madoff out when he needed to be bailed out. 563 00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:56,761 And as a result, Picower comes to have the power to extort Bernie. 564 00:34:58,262 --> 00:35:00,681 He's both Bernie's savior, if you will, 565 00:35:00,765 --> 00:35:03,935 and Bernie's deep, enraging enemy, 566 00:35:04,477 --> 00:35:07,105 because Bernie, as the ultimate control freak, 567 00:35:07,188 --> 00:35:10,066 has allowed somebody to basically control him. 568 00:35:11,150 --> 00:35:16,280 For instance, while Picower was taking real gains in cash out of the business, 569 00:35:17,073 --> 00:35:20,451 he would call in fake losses to Annette Bongiorno, 570 00:35:21,202 --> 00:35:23,454 and literally would say, "I need losses." 571 00:35:23,538 --> 00:35:26,165 "It's the end of the year. I don't want to report gains," 572 00:35:26,749 --> 00:35:29,585 and then have fictitious losses made 573 00:35:29,669 --> 00:35:33,339 so he didn't have to pay taxes on that money that he was taking out. 574 00:35:35,341 --> 00:35:36,384 I asked Bernie, 575 00:35:36,467 --> 00:35:40,388 "Why would you let yourself be at the mercy of this guy?" 576 00:35:41,472 --> 00:35:44,892 He basically said, "Jim, you've heard the expression, 577 00:35:44,976 --> 00:35:47,979 'keep your friends close and your enemies closer.'" 578 00:35:50,273 --> 00:35:52,650 [Henriques] Bernie's own suspicion was 579 00:35:52,733 --> 00:35:55,736 that Jeffry Picower had twigged to what he was doing, 580 00:35:55,820 --> 00:35:59,157 understood that Bernie couldn't say no to him, 581 00:35:59,240 --> 00:36:03,244 and was going to milk his Madoff account for everything he could. 582 00:36:03,327 --> 00:36:06,622 And indeed, no one made more money, 583 00:36:06,706 --> 00:36:10,418 no one got richer from the Madoff Ponzi scheme, 584 00:36:10,501 --> 00:36:13,087 than Jeffry Picower did, not even Madoff. 585 00:36:15,631 --> 00:36:20,845 [Madoff] I admitted to doing enough things that were totally embarrassing and wrong 586 00:36:20,928 --> 00:36:22,263 that I regret, 587 00:36:22,346 --> 00:36:24,765 but this was my own doing. 588 00:36:25,474 --> 00:36:27,226 No one had a gun to my head. 589 00:36:28,144 --> 00:36:31,147 You had to understand, unless you knew me 590 00:36:31,230 --> 00:36:33,858 and you know my relationship with these people, 591 00:36:33,941 --> 00:36:37,904 my four big clients, being the greedy people that they were, 592 00:36:37,987 --> 00:36:39,989 never wanted to close out the transaction. 593 00:36:40,072 --> 00:36:44,827 [atmospheric music playing] 594 00:36:46,204 --> 00:36:47,622 [Erin Arvedlund] I'm a reporter. 595 00:36:47,705 --> 00:36:50,875 Been covering business since the 1990s, 596 00:36:50,958 --> 00:36:55,671 and I came to work at Barron's Magazine in 2000, 597 00:36:55,755 --> 00:36:59,342 and I wanted to start writing more about hedge funds, 598 00:36:59,425 --> 00:37:03,721 which were not as big of a deal as they are today. 599 00:37:04,764 --> 00:37:09,977 And one day, I got a phone call from a guy who was a very good source of mine. 600 00:37:10,061 --> 00:37:12,813 He said, "You should write about Bernie Madoff's hedge fund." 601 00:37:12,897 --> 00:37:14,232 "It never loses money." 602 00:37:14,941 --> 00:37:17,818 And that made me prick up my ears, 603 00:37:17,902 --> 00:37:21,113 because never in history had there been a hedge fund 604 00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:23,658 - that never lost money on Wall Street. - [bell ringing] 605 00:37:23,741 --> 00:37:24,992 [newscaster] Online companies 606 00:37:25,076 --> 00:37:27,620 were among the biggest losers on Wall Street this past week. 607 00:37:27,703 --> 00:37:30,122 And the carnage is just beginning. 608 00:37:30,206 --> 00:37:35,127 [reporter] Former high-flyers that once fetched $30, $40, $50 a share 609 00:37:35,211 --> 00:37:36,921 can now be had for a few bucks. 610 00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:39,590 [Arvedlund] In the early 2000s, 611 00:37:39,674 --> 00:37:43,427 the dot-com bubble had just burst. 612 00:37:43,511 --> 00:37:46,681 So, the stock market was cratering. 613 00:37:47,223 --> 00:37:48,849 At the same time, 614 00:37:49,392 --> 00:37:53,813 Bernie Madoff's hedge fund was apparently consistently making money, 615 00:37:54,981 --> 00:37:56,607 which was also strange. 616 00:37:56,691 --> 00:38:01,570 Why would his particular hedge fund be the only one that was making money? 617 00:38:01,654 --> 00:38:05,616 So, I wanted to find out more about Madoff's hedge fund. 618 00:38:07,368 --> 00:38:09,203 As part of my research, 619 00:38:09,287 --> 00:38:14,041 we found an offering document for Fairfield Greenwich. 620 00:38:14,125 --> 00:38:16,168 An offering document is really just 621 00:38:16,252 --> 00:38:18,879 a prospectus or an investment pitch 622 00:38:18,963 --> 00:38:21,966 that a fund gives to potential clients 623 00:38:22,842 --> 00:38:24,969 that explains a trading strategy. 624 00:38:25,845 --> 00:38:29,223 So, in the spring of 2001, 625 00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:32,476 at that time you could actually go to the Exchange 626 00:38:32,560 --> 00:38:34,645 and go down onto the trading floor, 627 00:38:34,729 --> 00:38:38,482 and I would interview traders and say, "Have you heard of this guy?" 628 00:38:38,566 --> 00:38:41,527 "Has anyone done business with this billion-dollar hedge fund 629 00:38:41,610 --> 00:38:42,987 run by Bernie Madoff?" 630 00:38:43,070 --> 00:38:48,242 And the strange part was that nobody had done any trading with them. 631 00:38:49,035 --> 00:38:53,080 And I started asking private banks, 632 00:38:53,789 --> 00:38:57,752 "Hey, do you have any wealthy people who invest in this hedge fund?" 633 00:38:57,835 --> 00:38:59,462 And over the course of it, 634 00:39:00,004 --> 00:39:02,715 I started noticing some very strange things. 635 00:39:02,798 --> 00:39:09,764 So, for instance, when I interviewed some clients of a private bank, they said, 636 00:39:10,306 --> 00:39:13,559 "You know, we have been told we can invest in Bernie's hedge fund, 637 00:39:13,642 --> 00:39:15,853 but we can't tell anyone he's our money manager." 638 00:39:15,936 --> 00:39:19,815 It's a red flag when your money manager tells you, 639 00:39:19,899 --> 00:39:22,735 "Don't tell anyone I'm running your money," because 640 00:39:22,818 --> 00:39:26,030 most portfolio managers want to crow about their returns. 641 00:39:27,698 --> 00:39:32,745 I went to lunch with somebody who worked at Merrill Lynch, 642 00:39:33,245 --> 00:39:38,793 and he was kind of a banker to the wealthy, and he said, 643 00:39:38,876 --> 00:39:42,254 "I can't look at the books, I can't do any due diligence." 644 00:39:42,755 --> 00:39:45,966 "However, if I tell my clients 645 00:39:46,050 --> 00:39:49,887 that I want to pull them out of Madoff's fund, 646 00:39:49,970 --> 00:39:51,055 they're gonna fire me." 647 00:39:51,138 --> 00:39:54,225 This scenario was repeated over and over and over. 648 00:39:55,684 --> 00:40:00,106 As part of my reporting, I also called Fairfield Greenwich, 649 00:40:00,189 --> 00:40:02,108 and I spoke with Jeffrey Tucker. 650 00:40:02,817 --> 00:40:05,778 And he dismissed me and said, 651 00:40:05,861 --> 00:40:07,964 "There's no reason why you should be writing a story." 652 00:40:07,988 --> 00:40:09,240 "This is a private fund." 653 00:40:09,323 --> 00:40:13,077 "It's not open to retail or mom-and-pop investors." 654 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:17,248 And Barron's is very much a magazine read by the public. 655 00:40:18,249 --> 00:40:22,461 But some investors avoided Madoff. 656 00:40:22,545 --> 00:40:24,255 For instance, Goldman Sachs, 657 00:40:24,338 --> 00:40:26,048 Salomon Brothers. 658 00:40:26,132 --> 00:40:28,634 They refused to do business with Madoff. 659 00:40:28,717 --> 00:40:32,304 They said, "We can't figure this out. There's something weird about this." 660 00:40:33,472 --> 00:40:38,978 So my expectation was that it would be easy to get an interview with Bernie 661 00:40:39,061 --> 00:40:43,149 because most money managers wanted to be interviewed. 662 00:40:43,232 --> 00:40:46,402 It was considered, you know, kind of a career win 663 00:40:46,485 --> 00:40:49,196 if you were profiled in Barron's Magazine. 664 00:40:51,907 --> 00:40:53,284 [line calling] 665 00:40:53,367 --> 00:40:56,078 But I... I could not get through to him. 666 00:40:56,162 --> 00:40:59,165 [unsettling music playing] 667 00:41:02,251 --> 00:41:05,379 [Arvedlund] I tried the back door, I tried the front door, uh... 668 00:41:05,463 --> 00:41:08,799 I just could not get the guy to give me an interview. 669 00:41:10,843 --> 00:41:13,262 It was a couple days before publication... 670 00:41:13,345 --> 00:41:15,556 [phone ringing] 671 00:41:16,265 --> 00:41:17,933 ...and I left a message and said, 672 00:41:18,017 --> 00:41:20,936 "We're going to write this story whether you talk to me or not." 673 00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:23,606 [inaudible] 674 00:41:28,486 --> 00:41:29,486 [Arvedlund] And, 675 00:41:30,154 --> 00:41:31,822 bang, he was on the phone. 676 00:41:35,409 --> 00:41:40,122 As I remember it, Bernie Madoff was very smooth. 677 00:41:40,706 --> 00:41:45,711 Seemed surprised that I would be interested in writing about his fund. 678 00:41:46,837 --> 00:41:50,007 He pretty much gave me the brush-off and said, 679 00:41:50,090 --> 00:41:53,594 "I can't tell you about my strategy, it's proprietary." 680 00:41:53,677 --> 00:41:57,306 And kind of patted me on the head and sent me on my way. 681 00:41:58,015 --> 00:42:02,436 And, because I had, really, no answer from him, 682 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:05,231 so all we could really do was raise questions. 683 00:42:05,731 --> 00:42:06,982 How did he do it? 684 00:42:07,066 --> 00:42:08,776 How did he make money? 685 00:42:08,859 --> 00:42:10,778 You know, what was the strategy? 686 00:42:11,612 --> 00:42:16,617 Why does he tell people not to tell anyone he has a hedge fund? 687 00:42:17,368 --> 00:42:20,246 Why does he give up all this money in fees? 688 00:42:21,747 --> 00:42:25,626 I knew in my gut that there was something not right, 689 00:42:26,919 --> 00:42:29,296 but that was all I had at that point. 690 00:42:44,770 --> 00:42:48,857 After the article came out, it was May of 2001, 691 00:42:48,941 --> 00:42:50,109 I thought, 692 00:42:50,192 --> 00:42:52,152 you know, "Yes! I've won the Pulitzer." 693 00:42:52,236 --> 00:42:55,239 Um, but I didn't get a single phone call. 694 00:42:55,322 --> 00:42:58,367 I thought maybe I'd get an angry, you know, response 695 00:42:58,450 --> 00:43:00,661 from Bernie or his lawyers, 696 00:43:01,662 --> 00:43:03,289 but it was total silence. 697 00:43:05,749 --> 00:43:07,585 What I didn't know was that 698 00:43:07,668 --> 00:43:10,170 Bernie went on to his trading floor 699 00:43:10,254 --> 00:43:12,840 with a copy of my story and said, 700 00:43:12,923 --> 00:43:14,758 "This woman's an idiot." 701 00:43:14,842 --> 00:43:18,596 "I don't want to hear anything about it. It's total baloney, let's move on." 702 00:43:20,889 --> 00:43:22,516 [Squillari] I said to Bernie, 703 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,978 "But it's in the paper. People are going to mention it." 704 00:43:26,061 --> 00:43:28,606 He goes, "We're not discussing this." 705 00:43:29,189 --> 00:43:33,986 Bernie never liked to be associated with any bad publicity. 706 00:43:34,069 --> 00:43:40,868 Any time a reporter called or a piece was written about Bernie, 707 00:43:40,951 --> 00:43:42,536 he'd get very uptight. 708 00:43:46,999 --> 00:43:48,417 That's just the way he was. 709 00:43:48,500 --> 00:43:51,128 In his mind, if we don't discuss it, 710 00:43:52,338 --> 00:43:54,298 it's okay. It's not real. 711 00:43:54,381 --> 00:43:56,800 That's it. No mention of it. 712 00:44:01,847 --> 00:44:04,058 [Henriques] Up until the spring of 2001, 713 00:44:04,141 --> 00:44:09,146 Bernie Madoff had managed to keep his entire investment advisory business 714 00:44:09,229 --> 00:44:12,524 almost completely off the public radar. 715 00:44:12,608 --> 00:44:18,030 He was keeping everything very quiet, very shadowy, very hidden 716 00:44:18,822 --> 00:44:24,119 until the more formidable pages of Barron's Magazine comes out. 717 00:44:24,203 --> 00:44:26,205 Now, it's important to note 718 00:44:26,288 --> 00:44:31,210 that the story did not accuse Bernie Madoff of doing anything illegal, 719 00:44:31,293 --> 00:44:35,506 but it did produce questions among their investors. 720 00:44:38,217 --> 00:44:40,386 [Arvedlund] After my article came out, 721 00:44:40,469 --> 00:44:45,557 it really spooked Jeffrey Tucker from Fairfield Greenwich. 722 00:44:46,141 --> 00:44:47,685 He started to have doubts. 723 00:44:48,185 --> 00:44:50,187 So he demanded a meeting. 724 00:44:50,688 --> 00:44:54,942 This is a precarious moment for both Jeffrey Tucker and Bernie Madoff, 725 00:44:55,025 --> 00:44:57,820 because they have such a symbiotic relationship. 726 00:44:58,529 --> 00:45:01,907 Tucker and Fairfield Greenwich have invested billions of dollars, 727 00:45:01,990 --> 00:45:06,328 and Bernie is supposedly investing these billions of dollars. 728 00:45:07,371 --> 00:45:10,290 [Henriques] The meeting was an awkward encounter. 729 00:45:10,374 --> 00:45:13,919 "Bernie, I need to talk with you about what's been reported." 730 00:45:14,753 --> 00:45:17,881 It was imperative that he reassure Tucker, 731 00:45:18,841 --> 00:45:21,885 but it's classic Madoff 732 00:45:21,969 --> 00:45:25,013 that he reassured him by appearing not in the least bit worried. 733 00:45:26,181 --> 00:45:30,894 And Bernie has his right-hand man, Frank DiPascali, there with him, 734 00:45:30,978 --> 00:45:34,148 and they show him a paper trade ledger, 735 00:45:34,231 --> 00:45:38,193 showing the different trades that have been made in their account over time. 736 00:45:38,819 --> 00:45:42,197 Well, Jeffrey Tucker, this was not his first rodeo. 737 00:45:42,281 --> 00:45:45,451 He was a former regulator, he was a lawyer. 738 00:45:45,534 --> 00:45:50,789 Anybody can print out a stack of paper that says certain trades have been made. 739 00:45:50,873 --> 00:45:51,873 He needs more. 740 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:58,338 [Arvedlund] At which point, Bernie and Frank fire up the computer 741 00:45:58,422 --> 00:46:03,635 and they show him that they have an account with a regulator called DTC, 742 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,971 which is the Depository Trust Company. 743 00:46:06,054 --> 00:46:10,517 This is essentially a bank account for every broker on Wall Street. 744 00:46:10,601 --> 00:46:14,688 They say, "If you really, you know, are worried about where your money is, 745 00:46:14,772 --> 00:46:18,442 just know that we have this account and you can check your portfolio anytime." 746 00:46:19,318 --> 00:46:22,404 [Henriques] "So," Bernie says, "Pick a stock, 747 00:46:22,488 --> 00:46:24,031 pick any one of these trades." 748 00:46:24,114 --> 00:46:26,492 "Which one would you like to check on?" 749 00:46:26,992 --> 00:46:30,579 "Well, check on our trades in AOL." "Sure." 750 00:46:31,288 --> 00:46:33,791 Frank punches a few keys, 751 00:46:33,874 --> 00:46:39,379 up pops what looks like a page of Fairfield Greenwich's transactions in AOL. 752 00:46:40,631 --> 00:46:45,594 Showing exactly the number of shares Jeffrey Tucker expected to find there. 753 00:46:46,637 --> 00:46:51,099 [sighs] I mean, you could have heard the sigh of relief around the world. 754 00:46:51,183 --> 00:46:52,434 It's all there. 755 00:46:52,518 --> 00:46:54,686 Nothing to worry about. 756 00:46:56,522 --> 00:47:01,026 And he goes away really placated and reassured. 757 00:47:02,528 --> 00:47:04,279 Now in reality, of course, 758 00:47:05,489 --> 00:47:06,490 this was all a sham. 759 00:47:07,825 --> 00:47:11,995 This was a Potemkin village of a DTC account. 760 00:47:12,663 --> 00:47:14,706 Now, what had actually happened is, 761 00:47:14,790 --> 00:47:19,878 Frank DiPascali had hijacked the legitimate clearing house feed 762 00:47:19,962 --> 00:47:23,882 from the legitimate firm upstairs 763 00:47:23,966 --> 00:47:28,720 and had woven fake trades into it 764 00:47:28,804 --> 00:47:33,100 so that he could summon it up, show it to Jeffrey Tucker, 765 00:47:33,183 --> 00:47:37,813 and reassure him that, in fact, his AOL stock was safe and sound. 766 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:42,234 So he had created a perfect replica. 767 00:47:43,277 --> 00:47:47,990 Madoff and DiPascali really had a remarkable relationship, 768 00:47:48,073 --> 00:47:49,073 in that, 769 00:47:49,783 --> 00:47:53,912 DiPascali was able... to intuit 770 00:47:54,496 --> 00:47:57,457 what Madoff would need 771 00:47:57,541 --> 00:48:02,504 and what Madoff could best use to cover up his fraud. 772 00:48:02,588 --> 00:48:04,506 [compelling music playing] 773 00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:08,010 [Henriques] There was one amazing episode 774 00:48:08,093 --> 00:48:12,848 where an accountant for a fund asks DiPascali 775 00:48:12,931 --> 00:48:16,435 to see the trade ledger for a random date, 776 00:48:16,518 --> 00:48:19,438 and DiPascali says, "Oh sure, sure," 777 00:48:19,938 --> 00:48:22,024 and says, "We need a trade ledger." 778 00:48:23,191 --> 00:48:27,154 Well, his minions there frantically go into action. 779 00:48:27,237 --> 00:48:30,991 They create a fake trade ledger. 780 00:48:31,074 --> 00:48:34,453 It prints off the printer, this huge stack of paper, 781 00:48:34,536 --> 00:48:38,165 but, oh wait, it's too pristine, it's too clean. 782 00:48:38,248 --> 00:48:43,128 They toss that wad of paper around the office like a beach ball 783 00:48:43,211 --> 00:48:47,883 until it looks sufficiently ragged and thumbed and well-used. 784 00:48:47,966 --> 00:48:50,677 But, oh wait, it's hot off the printer. 785 00:48:51,219 --> 00:48:52,596 That's a problem. 786 00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:55,682 So they chill it in the office refrigerator. 787 00:48:56,934 --> 00:49:01,855 And, of course it's completely convincing to the accountant. 788 00:49:01,939 --> 00:49:05,317 So, this kind of stagecraft, you can't call it anything else, 789 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:08,570 just seemed to fit like a hand into a glove 790 00:49:09,071 --> 00:49:14,076 uh, for what Madoff needed to reassure his investors. 791 00:49:14,159 --> 00:49:17,162 Even before Madoff himself knew what he needed. 792 00:49:19,456 --> 00:49:21,216 [deposition lawyer] "I am standing here today 793 00:49:21,249 --> 00:49:24,086 to say, that from the early 1990s 794 00:49:24,169 --> 00:49:26,380 until December of 2008, 795 00:49:27,172 --> 00:49:30,384 I helped Bernie Madoff and other people 796 00:49:30,467 --> 00:49:33,136 carry out the fraud that hurt thousands of people." 797 00:49:33,887 --> 00:49:37,557 "There was one simple fact that Bernie Madoff knew, 798 00:49:37,641 --> 00:49:40,477 that I knew, and that other people knew, 799 00:49:40,560 --> 00:49:42,729 but that we never told the clients, 800 00:49:42,813 --> 00:49:46,066 nor did we tell the regulators like the SEC." 801 00:49:46,149 --> 00:49:52,364 "No purchases or sales of securities were actually taking place in their accounts." 802 00:49:52,447 --> 00:49:55,283 "It was all fake. It was all fictitious." 803 00:49:55,367 --> 00:49:58,620 "It was wrong, and I knew it was wrong at the time." 804 00:49:58,704 --> 00:50:01,665 [dramatic music playing] 805 00:50:02,708 --> 00:50:04,334 [printer whirring] 806 00:50:08,296 --> 00:50:10,507 [Dubinsky] This fraud went on for decades. 807 00:50:12,217 --> 00:50:14,094 But without the proper paperwork, 808 00:50:14,177 --> 00:50:16,888 the whole thing would have been exposed very quickly. 809 00:50:17,681 --> 00:50:19,266 Account statements, 810 00:50:20,434 --> 00:50:22,144 trade confirmations, 811 00:50:23,061 --> 00:50:25,689 reports for clients when they wanted a report... 812 00:50:25,772 --> 00:50:28,775 The only way that could be done is through the use of the computer. 813 00:50:30,694 --> 00:50:35,157 And you can't go out and buy software for fictitious trades. 814 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:38,410 You need to create your own software to make that happen. 815 00:50:40,370 --> 00:50:45,417 So, computer programmers George Perez and Jerry O'Hara were critical 816 00:50:45,500 --> 00:50:48,545 in helping Madoff continue the fraud for so long. 817 00:50:48,628 --> 00:50:51,465 [tense music playing] 818 00:50:52,674 --> 00:50:56,011 Jerry and George didn't lead the same lifestyles 819 00:50:56,094 --> 00:50:58,513 as the 17th floor staff. 820 00:50:59,681 --> 00:51:01,725 Frank had a two-million-dollar boat. 821 00:51:02,434 --> 00:51:05,687 Jodi had this house on the Jersey Shore. 822 00:51:06,563 --> 00:51:10,442 They didn't have that. They kind of lived pretty modestly. 823 00:51:11,193 --> 00:51:13,570 But they knew what they were doing was wrong. 824 00:51:14,279 --> 00:51:17,449 [Campbell] They know that they're falsifying reports, 825 00:51:17,532 --> 00:51:20,118 and over time, they become uncomfortable with that. 826 00:51:22,704 --> 00:51:26,583 George and Jerry were getting a little nervous that they were gonna be discovered 827 00:51:26,666 --> 00:51:28,710 because they're at risk here. 828 00:51:32,214 --> 00:51:34,841 [Campbell] They start to confront Frank DiPascali, 829 00:51:35,425 --> 00:51:39,387 and it turns into almost a comical blackmail, 830 00:51:39,471 --> 00:51:42,557 because they start saying they need more pay to do this. 831 00:51:43,433 --> 00:51:47,229 And they don't want it to look like there's a sudden bump in pay, 832 00:51:47,312 --> 00:51:49,523 so they ask to be paid in diamonds. 833 00:51:51,483 --> 00:51:54,361 Of which Frank is thinking, "That's fucking nuts." 834 00:51:55,612 --> 00:51:57,781 And they actually put together a note saying, 835 00:51:57,864 --> 00:52:00,283 "We're very concerned with reports we're running, 836 00:52:00,367 --> 00:52:03,453 and we don't know if our lives may be in jeopardy," 837 00:52:04,329 --> 00:52:06,540 and they want to get this on the record. 838 00:52:09,417 --> 00:52:13,797 It says, "I've expressed to my boss, Frank DiPascali, 839 00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,176 my unwillingness to work on projects which I am uncomfortable with." 840 00:52:18,718 --> 00:52:23,348 "I don't know how far up the ladder my unwillingness has been communicated, 841 00:52:23,890 --> 00:52:28,019 but it is a matter of short time before it hits the top." 842 00:52:28,103 --> 00:52:31,231 "I fear for my job, my family, my future." 843 00:52:31,731 --> 00:52:33,733 And it's signed George Perez. 844 00:52:37,779 --> 00:52:39,197 [tense music playing] 845 00:52:39,281 --> 00:52:42,075 [Garfinkel] Then they confronted Bernie about it. 846 00:52:43,326 --> 00:52:47,080 And Bernie, he didn't, like, bend over backwards and say, 847 00:52:47,164 --> 00:52:49,416 "Oh yeah, you know, okay, yeah, you got me, guys." 848 00:52:49,499 --> 00:52:52,544 "Take whatever you want." He was gonna play hardball with them. 849 00:52:54,796 --> 00:52:57,674 [Campbell] They go into Madoff's office with Frank, 850 00:52:58,341 --> 00:53:01,553 and they basically say they're not comfortable. 851 00:53:01,636 --> 00:53:04,181 "And furthermore, we think you should shut down 852 00:53:04,264 --> 00:53:06,683 the investment advisory business." 853 00:53:06,766 --> 00:53:10,604 Which, of course, drives Bernie into pure bully mode. 854 00:53:10,687 --> 00:53:14,482 [tense music continues] 855 00:53:14,566 --> 00:53:16,026 [Campbell] He browbeat them. 856 00:53:17,777 --> 00:53:20,906 It's a precarious situation for both sides because 857 00:53:20,989 --> 00:53:24,201 these boys don't deal with Bernie directly day-to-day. 858 00:53:24,284 --> 00:53:26,536 And furthermore, they've just threatened this guy 859 00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:30,332 who is the man that runs the firm and is a legend on Wall Street. 860 00:53:30,415 --> 00:53:32,834 Get the fuck out of my office. Now! 861 00:53:34,836 --> 00:53:39,257 [Garfinkel] And eventually Madoff negotiated this through Frank, 862 00:53:39,341 --> 00:53:42,260 and, you know, Frank got them some more money. 863 00:53:43,470 --> 00:53:46,932 They ended up with an additional $60,000, 864 00:53:47,015 --> 00:53:50,894 which, in the scope of this whole case, really isn't a lot. 865 00:53:52,938 --> 00:53:56,233 [Dubinsky] They actually could have extorted Bernie for any amount of money, 866 00:53:56,316 --> 00:53:58,735 most likely, and kept their jobs. 867 00:54:00,111 --> 00:54:04,950 The boys settle for this rather average increase, 868 00:54:05,909 --> 00:54:09,204 and Bernie sort of has yet another narrow escape. 869 00:54:10,038 --> 00:54:11,164 For the time being. 870 00:54:16,211 --> 00:54:19,256 [closing theme music playing]