1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:08,039 This programme contains some strong language. 2 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,480 What happened to me you couldn't plan in a million years, really. 3 00:00:21,320 --> 00:00:25,640 I was as surprised, or probably more surprised that it happened to me, 4 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:30,280 because it certainly wasn't a grand ambition. 5 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:36,400 Oh, that's gorgeous. 6 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:41,440 It always makes me laugh when you hear journalists say 7 00:00:41,440 --> 00:00:45,120 to actors or people in showbusiness, you know, 8 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:47,400 how did you plan your career? 9 00:00:47,400 --> 00:00:49,760 I don't think that's a possibility. 10 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:54,720 They all ask, how did it all begin? How did you get your name? 11 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:56,120 Where did you meet Justin? 12 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:00,640 I don't know. 13 00:01:00,640 --> 00:01:02,560 What's that? Bird. 14 00:01:06,680 --> 00:01:10,840 Mayfair 0667 was the number of Lucie Clayton. 15 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,160 Training for the day when heads will turn to look at them 16 00:01:13,160 --> 00:01:16,680 at an academy in London are some of Britain's models of the future, 17 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:19,680 for this is one of the country's most up-to-date training schools 18 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:21,320 for models and mannequins. 19 00:01:22,640 --> 00:01:25,600 Models at the time were, you know, upper-class girls 20 00:01:25,600 --> 00:01:27,720 who'd all gone to finishing school, 21 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:31,840 and it was a very rarefied world that was very aspirational. 22 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:33,880 The proper court curtsy that may well be needed 23 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:37,039 one day on presentation at court, or at some royal occasion. 24 00:01:37,039 --> 00:01:39,039 A lot of us looked very much like each other, 25 00:01:39,039 --> 00:01:40,840 and I think that was one of the great bonuses. 26 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:44,280 You could...anybody would look like anybody else. 27 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,880 A pointed lesson - how to pivot round an umbrella and how to carry 28 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:49,680 it with not a trace of awkwardness. 29 00:01:56,080 --> 00:01:58,920 23Girls from my sort of background didn't become models. 30 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:00,480 Lesley! All right. 31 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:02,160 Breakfast is ready. 32 00:02:03,400 --> 00:02:08,440 I was born in Neasden in 1949, 33 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:13,680 and I was the third of three girls to Nell and Norman. 34 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:15,480 That's my mum and dad. 35 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:17,760 We were working class, definitely, 36 00:02:17,760 --> 00:02:22,000 but I never, ever felt that I didn't have what I wanted. 37 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:25,960 A happy home, actually. I had a lovely childhood. 38 00:02:27,960 --> 00:02:31,920 My mum had issues with her mental health, 39 00:02:31,920 --> 00:02:35,760 which I think today she'd be diagnosed as bipolar probably, 40 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:38,960 because for months and months and months she'd be absolutely fine, 41 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:43,520 and then she'd get very low and very depressed 42 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:47,760 and she'd have to go away for a couple of weeks. 43 00:02:49,079 --> 00:02:52,079 My dad was amazing through that time, really, 44 00:02:52,079 --> 00:02:54,920 because, you know, he was mum and dad to me. 45 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,440 I wasn't really aware until I was much older that, 46 00:02:59,440 --> 00:03:01,400 you know, she had this condition 47 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,640 and she had it all her life. 48 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:08,000 Got lots of pictures of her when she's small, you know. 49 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:09,600 It is nice. 50 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:14,200 We get them out and have a laugh over some, some of them, you know. 51 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:17,360 Oh, this one was when she was at school. 52 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:21,600 She's about, um, about six, I suppose, there. 53 00:03:24,200 --> 00:03:28,680 By the time I was 13 and a half, 14, I'd become a mod. 54 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:36,160 I was allowed out one night a week and we went to a mod club in Harrow. 55 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,800 And if you were a mod, the fashion was very specific. 56 00:03:41,120 --> 00:03:42,840 It was almost like a uniform 57 00:03:42,840 --> 00:03:45,440 because, I mean, I wore that and my friends wore that. 58 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:48,120 But it was quite an amazing club. 59 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:52,520 We saw people like the Yardbirds, Eric Clapton, Jeff Beck, 60 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,800 Georgie Fame, Eric Burdon and the Animals. 61 00:03:55,800 --> 00:04:01,160 I mean, this is all pre them becoming major bands and rock stars. 62 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,800 I did get asked out by one boy, 63 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,400 and then he rang me and said, "I'm so sorry, 64 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,520 "but I can't afford a girlfriend and a new scooter, 65 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,800 "so I'm going for the scooter." 66 00:04:16,800 --> 00:04:18,800 I got dumped for a scooter. 67 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:28,600 And then, we had the amazing Barbara Hulanicki gave us Biba. 68 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,880 And that was like a revelation to me. 69 00:04:33,800 --> 00:04:37,800 And suddenly there was this new youthful idea for clothes, 70 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:41,720 catering and designing clothes for young people, for us. 71 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,000 You'd go into this store and there was amazing music playing, 72 00:04:50,000 --> 00:04:53,680 and there were beautiful period lampshades, 73 00:04:53,680 --> 00:04:58,320 feather boas everywhere and palm trees, as well as clothes. 74 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:06,440 She used to come in on Saturdays, 75 00:05:06,440 --> 00:05:10,720 see this incredible girl who had this face like a Greta Garbo. 76 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,720 I mean, she was really beautiful. 77 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,680 And she would just stand there 78 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:17,280 and watch everything that was going on. 79 00:05:17,280 --> 00:05:19,040 She was like a ghost. 80 00:05:19,040 --> 00:05:24,160 Because her eyes were really low down in the face and huge. 81 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:27,880 The eye make-up and everything was obviously her own idea. 82 00:05:29,640 --> 00:05:31,760 I had a rag doll in my bedroom, 83 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,159 and she had these spiky eyelashes underneath her eyes 84 00:05:35,159 --> 00:05:37,080 and the long ones on the top. 85 00:05:37,080 --> 00:05:39,480 So I kind of copied that. 86 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:42,520 Draw all the ones underneath. 87 00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:46,360 I used to put three pairs of eyelashes on the top. 88 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,840 I didn't wear foundation or powder or anything. 89 00:05:52,840 --> 00:05:54,640 It was all about the eyes. 90 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:02,240 I used to have a Saturday job at a hairdressers 91 00:06:02,240 --> 00:06:04,840 where my sister worked, and Justin's brother worked. 92 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,440 And one day he came over to see my sister over here, 93 00:06:09,440 --> 00:06:12,200 and Justin gave him a lift and I met Justin. 94 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:18,800 I was probably about 15 by then. 95 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,560 And he was in his... he was about 25. 96 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:27,400 It wasn't very politically correct now, thinking back, 97 00:06:27,400 --> 00:06:30,320 but then I suppose it was a different time. 98 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,760 And I have to say, you know, whatever I think now... 99 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:38,840 ..as a mature woman, he was very respectful. 100 00:06:38,840 --> 00:06:40,720 I mean, he was just friendly at first. 101 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:45,960 And then over a period of months he said, you know, 102 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:48,840 "Can I come and take you out?" 103 00:06:48,840 --> 00:06:52,040 And we didn't really get into a proper relationship until, 104 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,720 you know, after I was 16. 105 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,159 You know, my mum and dad weren't too happy about it, 106 00:06:57,159 --> 00:07:02,880 although he got my mum on his side because he was quite sweet with her. 107 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,040 And, you know, there was a kindness to him. 108 00:07:05,040 --> 00:07:10,280 I met Justin about two years ago now and I started going out with him. 109 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,760 You know, he knew I wanted to be a model, 110 00:07:12,760 --> 00:07:15,080 and he used to try and take me to friends 111 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,320 who took photographs, but they weren't very good. 112 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,560 A friend of Justin's worked on a woman's magazine. 113 00:07:23,080 --> 00:07:25,760 One of the editors there met me and said, 114 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:29,480 "You'll never make a model. You're too small and too slim." 115 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,360 She was too short. She was too thin. 116 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,880 She didn't have a bust. She wasn't curvaceous. 117 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:40,400 She just wasn't what people were looking for. 118 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:45,440 I remember going home on the bus crying. 119 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:49,400 But she did say, "You've got a very interesting pretty little face. 120 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,520 "Let's do some test shots." 121 00:07:51,520 --> 00:07:54,000 And she said, "But your hair's a mess." 122 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:56,159 So they sent me to Leonard's. 123 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:00,400 Too many teenagers nowadays are inclined 124 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:02,560 to back-comb their hair and make it look like beehives. 125 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:04,440 And they forgot actually, what it is. 126 00:08:04,440 --> 00:08:06,320 It's actually hair that should be looked after well 127 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,800 and treated properly. 128 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,560 I presumed it would be a trim. Oh, boy! 129 00:08:11,560 --> 00:08:15,000 It was more than a trim. I was in there for seven hours. 130 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:17,000 He sent me upstairs to Daniel Galvin, 131 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,760 who's the brilliant colourist. 132 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:20,680 Did you see Barbara Streisand on Saturday? 133 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,440 Yeah, I did. She's fantastic. 134 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:25,320 She really is terrific. Oh! She's gorgeous. 135 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:28,120 When he turned me round to the mirror, it was amazing. 136 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,200 It was like, oh, my God! 137 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:36,200 And he sent me to this lovely photographer called Barry Lategan, 138 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:38,159 who was a new young photographer, 139 00:08:38,159 --> 00:08:40,640 to have my photograph taken of his haircut. 140 00:08:42,919 --> 00:08:45,560 I was totally overwhelmed and intimidated. 141 00:08:45,560 --> 00:08:49,560 I'd never been in a studio. I'd never sat in front of a camera. 142 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:56,960 And he just sat me in a chair and he had all his lights. 143 00:08:56,960 --> 00:08:58,720 And then he went behind the camera. 144 00:09:01,560 --> 00:09:06,080 I was nervous, but he was such a sweet man, and he was so kind. 145 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:10,480 And he just said, "Just look at me and, you know, look at the lens." 146 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:23,560 And ironically, that one photograph is probably one of the most 147 00:09:23,560 --> 00:09:26,160 well-known photographs of me. 148 00:09:26,160 --> 00:09:28,800 And it was the first photograph that was taken. 149 00:09:31,480 --> 00:09:34,720 Is the shirt all right, chaps? Yeah. 150 00:09:34,720 --> 00:09:36,840 You ready? Yeah. 151 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:41,840 Leonard hung a print of the haircut 152 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,000 in the lobby of the salon, 153 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:47,280 and one of his clients was a lady called Deirdre McSharry, 154 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,000 who was the fashion editor on the Daily Express. 155 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:53,440 I was working with a rather famous model 156 00:09:53,440 --> 00:09:56,360 in a studio quite late the night before, 157 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,920 and she was very bad-tempered and depressing. 158 00:09:59,920 --> 00:10:02,120 And I was suddenly looking at the photograph 159 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:03,960 of somebody infinitely different. 160 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,360 Very young, very sweet, very lovely, and I thought, this is what we need. 161 00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:11,600 So I met Deirdre a week later. 162 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,080 They took some more photographs of me 163 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:17,400 and she said, "This is going to go in the newspaper." 164 00:10:17,400 --> 00:10:19,800 And it was really exciting because that, 165 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,960 you know, that didn't happen to people like us. 166 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:24,920 My dear dad, bless him, 167 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:27,280 he used to go down to the corner shop every morning 168 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:30,320 to get the Daily Express to see if there was anything in it, 169 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,080 and nothing came out, and nothing came out. 170 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,000 And then suddenly, about three weeks later, 171 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:36,880 he came rushing into my bedroom. 172 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,640 I was still in bed and he said, 173 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,520 "Oh, Les, Les, look. It's a whole page." 174 00:10:45,560 --> 00:10:48,760 From these great ravishing, long-limbed beauties 175 00:10:48,760 --> 00:10:52,600 came this child, this waif. She looked about 12. 176 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:57,760 And the headline was Twiggy, The Face of '66. 177 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:02,920 And she had this cute little haircut that Leonard had done. 178 00:11:02,920 --> 00:11:04,920 He also did my hair, but not like that. 179 00:11:06,800 --> 00:11:08,360 She had freckles. 180 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:12,680 She had huge, arresting eyes, a genderfluid, little elfin face. 181 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:15,960 A friend used to tease me 182 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,280 about my skinny legs, and he used to call me Sticks. 183 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:23,080 And then one day, Sticks turned into Twiggy. 184 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,840 If that article had been Lesley Hornby, 185 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,680 it wouldn't have had the impact. 186 00:11:27,680 --> 00:11:30,520 Her name came like a lightning bolt. Twiggy. 187 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:33,920 Twiggy. Twiggy. Twiggy. Twiggy. Twiggy. Twiggy... 188 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,560 The second she arrived, she blew the world apart. 189 00:11:36,560 --> 00:11:38,680 It was just what the fashion world was waiting for, actually. 190 00:11:38,680 --> 00:11:42,240 Magazines were booking her without having even seen her. 191 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,880 # And my heart is yours... # 192 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:46,440 And by lunchtime, 193 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:50,200 I think every other newspaper in Fleet Street had rung, 194 00:11:50,200 --> 00:11:53,840 saying how do we get in touch with this charmer? 195 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:58,360 My first professional paid job 196 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,280 was with Peggy Moffitt, because it was with Barry Lategan, 197 00:12:01,280 --> 00:12:03,920 because he thought she would look after me 198 00:12:03,920 --> 00:12:06,520 and she could teach me a bit about moving. 199 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:10,680 You know, I'd never done this... by jumping into the fire. 200 00:12:10,680 --> 00:12:13,400 I mean, it was mad, really. 201 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:15,280 # That's in my soul 202 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:18,200 # Started something that I can't control 203 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,800 # That's what happens when I get... # 204 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,680 We got deluged with offers for modelling. 205 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:25,800 And we couldn't cope with it at first. 206 00:12:25,800 --> 00:12:27,760 You know, I never anticipated it. 207 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,880 And within about three weeks, she was the top model. 208 00:12:31,880 --> 00:12:33,880 There's no doubt about it. 209 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,920 # My heart was yearning 210 00:12:35,920 --> 00:12:39,280 # Couldn't fight it if I tried 211 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,040 # There's a part of... # 212 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:45,080 Those original pictures that were created by Barry Lategan, 213 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:46,640 Helmut Newton. 214 00:12:48,760 --> 00:12:52,640 That incredible image of her on the bicycle by Ron Traeger. 215 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,520 If you look at that photograph of Twiggy on the bike, 216 00:12:59,520 --> 00:13:03,400 it's such a fantastic picture because it kind of embodies 217 00:13:03,400 --> 00:13:07,440 everything that was about freedom and sexual liberation. 218 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,040 Twiggy changed the face of fashion by one simple thing - 219 00:13:14,040 --> 00:13:16,160 she smiled. She smiled a lot. 220 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,760 In fact, I can barely think of her when she wasn't smiling. 221 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:28,280 That she was transcending herself and all of us, 222 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:31,040 whether we knew it or not, into this other world. 223 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,680 I love the idea that the talent was spotted 224 00:13:34,680 --> 00:13:38,840 by Deirdre McSharry on the Express and Vogue followed suit. 225 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:41,280 It makes me laugh. 226 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:45,800 # Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, oh, yeah. # 227 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:54,920 It was 1966, and I was as green as the grass in your garden. 228 00:13:54,920 --> 00:13:57,480 Is that 10.00 in the morning? Yeah. 229 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,440 But I'll be working all night. 230 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,280 It was very apparent I had to leave school. 231 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:05,040 And I can remember my dad kind of saying, 232 00:14:05,040 --> 00:14:07,560 if I don't give you permission to leave 233 00:14:07,560 --> 00:14:10,200 and you don't try and follow this dream, 234 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:13,040 you might never forgive me, which I would have done 235 00:14:13,040 --> 00:14:15,800 because I loved him, but quite wise of him, really. 236 00:14:15,800 --> 00:14:18,840 But he said, "If you're going to do it, 237 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,400 "Justin has got to go to all the photoshoots with you." 238 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:26,080 Because, as my dad said, "I know what these photographers are like." 239 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:28,600 Stay, baby. Stay, stay. 240 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,800 Being a photographer, and I think I've said it before, 241 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,920 it's rather like working in a sweet shop, 242 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,200 that you just try not to mess around with the liquorice allsorts. 243 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,840 Undo the jacket. Come on now, come on, work. 244 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:42,720 Come on. Straighten your hair up. Go into profile. That way. 245 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,360 Yeah, it's not as easy as you think it is, 246 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,040 and it's not as glamorous. 247 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,400 If you go out on location in the winter, 248 00:14:49,400 --> 00:14:52,520 little summer dresses - it's blooming freezing. 249 00:14:52,520 --> 00:14:54,480 I mean, it's very hard work. 250 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,520 Round to me, darling. A bit more...perfect. Perfect. 251 00:14:58,520 --> 00:15:01,200 In those days, there were no such things as stylists. 252 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,120 There might have been at Vogue at the very top level, but not for us. 253 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,520 ALARM CLOCK 254 00:15:05,520 --> 00:15:09,840 I have to be up, in here, made up by 9.15 in the morning 255 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,400 until it could be any time at night. 256 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:15,200 We were expected, obviously, to do all our own make-up, 257 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:16,880 but also to change our hair. 258 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:21,120 But you had to bring wigs and hairpieces and be able to do them. 259 00:15:21,120 --> 00:15:22,760 We had false fingernails 260 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:24,640 and you'd got to be able to change the colour of that. 261 00:15:24,640 --> 00:15:26,680 So you're carrying your nail varnish about with you. 262 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:28,920 You had to have black tights, clear tights. 263 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:31,720 You had to have polo necks in black, beige and in white, 264 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:33,400 in case you were doing coats. 265 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,040 You had to bring your own gloves, your earrings and bracelets 266 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:37,760 and things like this. 267 00:15:37,760 --> 00:15:40,760 You couldn't afford a car, so you went everywhere by tube. 268 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:43,520 And you'd put your hair in huge rollers and tie a scarf over the top 269 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:45,240 and people go, "She's a model." 270 00:15:45,240 --> 00:15:47,000 You felt very good about that. 271 00:15:49,960 --> 00:15:52,160 You weren't paid until six months after the job. 272 00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:54,640 You were always anxious because if you were one minute late, 273 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:56,800 they'd take half an hour off your hourly pay. 274 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:58,760 And the photographers were pretty horrid to us 275 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:01,680 because that was their job to be horrid to us. 276 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:03,320 "You look like a pig. 277 00:16:03,320 --> 00:16:05,280 "Go home until you get nicer looking." 278 00:16:07,600 --> 00:16:09,160 It was OK. 279 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,000 She certainly, I don't think, did all the stuff that we did. 280 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:22,240 In just one year, Twiggy has moved from the grammar school classroom 281 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,680 to scale fashion's dizziest heights. 282 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,520 And then when Twiggy emerged, I met her and I thought, 283 00:16:30,520 --> 00:16:33,560 "Oh, my God, she's got this fabulous Cockney accent." 284 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:35,280 Twiggy, want some tea? 285 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,080 Oh, I'd love you forever if you made me a cup of tea. 286 00:16:38,080 --> 00:16:41,000 Which was very unusual in those days. 287 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,520 "My dear girl..." 288 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:46,480 I don't know if you heard her laugh, but she has a laugh 289 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:48,680 that is like a truck driver's laugh. 290 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,600 Ha-ha-ha! That's her laugh. 291 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:59,640 Aha ha-ha! And it's coming out of this beautiful girl. 292 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,600 Oh! 293 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:03,360 Oh! It's coming out of me nose. 294 00:17:03,360 --> 00:17:06,119 Do you feel out of place because you started 295 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:08,480 from ordinary working-class beginnings? 296 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:10,839 No. No. Why should I? 297 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:17,000 Being a working-class girl and me being a working-class guy, 298 00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:21,119 we had a kind of pretty straightforward attitude to life. 299 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:23,920 And she handled fame, I think, 300 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,400 in the way that most working-class people would, 301 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,400 which was like, what you saw was what you got. 302 00:17:30,400 --> 00:17:34,000 I don't think it really matters what class your family come from. 303 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,000 If you're good enough in your job, you know, you make it anyway. 304 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,840 It was very fashionable suddenly to be working class. 305 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:47,760 I think we can say Twiggy is sort of a mini queen 306 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:49,680 of the new social aristocracy. 307 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:51,160 And it's... 308 00:17:52,760 --> 00:17:55,720 You can't really talk about Twiggy without putting her 309 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,400 into the context of the times. 310 00:17:57,400 --> 00:18:00,640 Running around the streets of London, Carnaby Street. 311 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,040 And she really reflected her time. 312 00:18:04,040 --> 00:18:05,920 She was youthquake personified. 313 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:10,600 The swinging youth who have given staid and sober old London 314 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:12,400 its recent swinging metaphor. 315 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:15,200 Younger people from a working-class background 316 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,680 were getting the opportunities that they'd never had before 317 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,160 to become photographers, directors, writers. 318 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:26,600 Fashion, music, art, film 319 00:18:26,600 --> 00:18:30,240 had a new sort of working-class voice, really. 320 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:34,120 There was a level of rebellion, 321 00:18:34,120 --> 00:18:37,120 a level of taking ownership into your own hands 322 00:18:37,120 --> 00:18:39,160 as to what you want to listen to, who you want to be, 323 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,000 how you want to say who you are through what you wear. 324 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,920 People were probably feeling more included for the first time. 325 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:48,920 And I think Twiggy had a huge part to play in that. 326 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,160 You know, when Twiggy burst onto the scene, 327 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:53,080 models did not look like her. 328 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:54,920 She was gamine, she was boyish. 329 00:18:54,920 --> 00:18:57,560 She was sort of iron-board flat, as they say. 330 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,680 Blurring the lines between male and female. 331 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:06,320 Having a really generous understanding of it being OK 332 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:08,400 to wear each other's clothes. 333 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:23,200 But she brought in this sort of inner sensuality, 334 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,960 and she used her body in really beautiful ways 335 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,960 that I think spoke instantly to women, 336 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:32,400 as opposed to just for the pleasure of men. 337 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:43,320 I was getting bookings to go to Paris for the Paris collections. 338 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:46,600 Sex, feminin. 41 kilo. 339 00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:48,680 Twiggy, en francais, Brandy... 340 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:50,240 SPEAKS FRENCH 341 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:55,000 Yes. Again. A little more of a smile. Very natural. 342 00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:58,040 That's it. Twiggy, remember, you're making your own look. 343 00:19:58,040 --> 00:20:00,840 That's it. There. Fine. 344 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:05,560 She's a very strong example of the current teenage trend. 345 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,520 She believes in the clothes she wears. 346 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,520 She likes the music that is the fashion at the moment. 347 00:20:10,520 --> 00:20:13,360 And these combined make her the successful face. 348 00:20:13,360 --> 00:20:17,600 Also, she...she doesn't try and resemble someone else, 349 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:19,840 which is the mistake a lot of current models make 350 00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:21,800 in trying to look like Jean Shrimpton. 351 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:31,480 The models that really stand out are 352 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:34,200 the ones that retain their personality. 353 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:38,280 And they're inherently the ones that become the most successful - 354 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:42,000 because there's an element of the person 355 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,320 that you're photographing in every picture. 356 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:51,280 Having watched careers skyrocket, 357 00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:54,680 they skyrocket because you're the right person 358 00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:56,360 at the right moment. 359 00:20:56,360 --> 00:20:59,360 You know, in the right time with the kind of right 360 00:20:59,360 --> 00:21:01,000 either face or attitude, 361 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:02,480 or combination of the two. 362 00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:09,560 After about the first four or five months, 363 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:11,160 when I'd hit the headlines 364 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:13,360 and I was in lots of magazines - 365 00:21:13,360 --> 00:21:17,000 and, you know, the new face, blah, blah, blah, blah - 366 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:21,520 there was this big article in one of the daily newspapers 367 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,440 saying that these big four photographers 368 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:29,400 who discovered all the models were banning me. 369 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,000 LAUGHTER 370 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 I was banned. 371 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,000 That they... Because they didn't discover me. 372 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,000 Their decision, says David Bailey, 373 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:39,800 Britain's highest paid photographer, 374 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,360 is because she is too amateur in her approach. 375 00:21:42,360 --> 00:21:45,040 Declared Bailey: "She's also grossly unprofessional. 376 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,000 "I had her booked for an evening recently, 377 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:48,720 "and her manager appeared and said that they 378 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,160 "were going out to dinner instead." 379 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,600 Montgomery's agent, David Puttnam, said: 380 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:55,720 "The trouble is that Justin de Villeneuve 381 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,680 "insists on being in the studio. 382 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,440 "Models will start bringing mothers next." 383 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:02,840 It was also the case that the photographers 384 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:06,200 didn't really like the idea that this manager figure was there. 385 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:08,200 They were used to dealing with agents. 386 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,560 I remember being on set, 387 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:12,360 and we were about to be photographed, 388 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:15,440 and there coming through the door was Twiggy and Justin. 389 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:19,000 Justin was saying that he insisted on seeing the photographer, 390 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,440 to show Twiggy. 391 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,520 And he said that he was her manager. 392 00:22:22,520 --> 00:22:24,760 And I thought, "Ooh, this is smart. 393 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:27,160 "This is the way to do it - have a manager. 394 00:22:27,160 --> 00:22:29,600 "Oh, how clever of her." 395 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:32,560 Prior to Twiggy, no model had had a manager. 396 00:22:32,560 --> 00:22:34,720 That was completely unique. 397 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,640 Justin was seen as a Svengali figure, 398 00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:39,000 but I actually think in hindsight really wasn't. 399 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:43,280 What he was was a smart opportunist who saw something special. 400 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,680 Justin, although his name's Justin de Villeneuve, 401 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:48,000 was actually Nigel something or other. 402 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,320 He created his persona. 403 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,000 Justin de Villeneuve... De Villeneuve. 404 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:54,840 ..is a very aristocratic name. 405 00:22:54,840 --> 00:22:56,640 It's hardly a working-class name. 406 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:58,840 We'd come back from a big job abroad, 407 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,280 and I would go to Biba and buy a few dresses 408 00:23:03,280 --> 00:23:05,200 and he'd go to Savile Row 409 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,600 and order ten Savile Row suits. LAUGHTER 410 00:23:08,600 --> 00:23:10,560 I haven't got such a large wardrobe. 411 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,800 About 30 suits. 412 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,800 LAUGHTER 413 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,000 100 shirts. Everything OK? 414 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,480 Yeah. You look very nice. 415 00:23:17,480 --> 00:23:19,000 Do you like the material? Oh, it's... 416 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,840 What is it? Er, Worsted. 417 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,000 Have it like that with the stitches, start a new fashion. 418 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,320 The cars we went through - 419 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:30,040 E-Type Jags, Lamborghinis, Rolls-Royces. 420 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:32,000 You know, I feel that, really, we're putting on 421 00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,280 a little bit of a show for them. 422 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,160 But you didn't... Don't upstage me. Don't upstage me. 423 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,160 And, er... 424 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,160 LAUGHTER 425 00:23:38,160 --> 00:23:41,760 And my dad used to get really worried. 426 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:46,800 Understand... I thought he was overreacting, but he wasn't. 427 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:53,000 It's taken Twiggy and Justin a mere month 428 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,560 to translate an idea 429 00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:57,560 into the reality of Twiggy Models. 430 00:23:57,560 --> 00:24:02,440 Now they're producing 15,000 dresses and suits every week. 431 00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:03,640 They were teenage clothes - 432 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,440 obviously, I was a teenager - 433 00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,720 and they were very much designed around me. 434 00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,360 But I had a great input in the design. 435 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,000 I like this one. 436 00:24:11,360 --> 00:24:13,000 LAUGHTER 437 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:15,520 I like this one. Playsuit and shorts. 438 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,760 You know, there's... I like them all, obviously. 439 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:20,600 You know, they don't go out if I don't like them. 440 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:23,000 It was a great joy to me to go in and spend 441 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:26,000 the whole day with Paul and Pam, the designers. 442 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,240 And we'd sit and draw and pick out fabrics and buttons and... 443 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:32,800 And I love that creative process. 444 00:24:32,800 --> 00:24:34,360 It's fabulous. 445 00:24:34,360 --> 00:24:38,400 But Twiggy is confident of winning orders worth a million dollars 446 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,400 if she makes her trip to America. 447 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:44,800 It's all very well to have all that happen in England. 448 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:48,760 But most people want to try and conquer America. 449 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,000 The lady who was the editor of American Vogue then 450 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,920 was an amazing woman called Diana Vreeland. 451 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:58,480 When you were touched by Diana Vreeland, 452 00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,680 you were anointed. 453 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,000 When you were touched by her, 454 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,600 you were touched by the hand of God. 455 00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:07,400 Then, in '67, she brought me over to America, to New York. 456 00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:10,120 She put me with these amazing photographers 457 00:25:10,120 --> 00:25:12,000 who took incredible photographs. 458 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,600 And I was on the cover, and inside for pages and pages. 459 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:18,440 EXCITED CHATTER 460 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,400 I didn't expect, you know, when I got to the airport, 461 00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:24,240 there'd be teenage fans screaming my name, 462 00:25:24,240 --> 00:25:27,440 and going into a press conference with the American press. 463 00:25:27,440 --> 00:25:30,760 Twiggy! Over here! Twiggy! 464 00:25:30,760 --> 00:25:32,400 "What do you think of New York, Twiggy?" 465 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:33,960 "I've just arrived!" 466 00:25:33,960 --> 00:25:35,680 LAUGHTER 467 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,640 "All I've seen is the runway!" 468 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,680 What do you think of this reception you're getting here today? 469 00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:42,560 Fantastic. I can't believe it. 470 00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,760 LAUGHTER 471 00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:47,360 What do you think about all the things that have happened to you? 472 00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:48,560 You're only 17 years old. 473 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:50,680 You're making more money than the Prime Minister. 474 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,360 Am I? You are. 475 00:25:52,360 --> 00:25:55,000 LAUGHTER 476 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:56,760 Oh, you know, it's just... 477 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:58,200 You know, I like it, obviously. 478 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,280 But, you know, I don't know why it's happened. 479 00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:04,040 I'm looking forward to going into the helicopter. 480 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,560 I want to see the Empire State Building and go to the top. 481 00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:14,320 So I went in to do a modelling job for American Vogue. 482 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,440 It was going to be a fashion shoot around New York, 483 00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:19,160 with me at the zoo, up the Empire State. 484 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:24,440 What do I think of her? 485 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,000 It'll last... 486 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,000 INDISTINCT 487 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:27,840 I don't know, it'll last a couple of weeks - 488 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,480 like everything else. 489 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,680 And again, another incredible photographer 490 00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:34,000 called Melvin Sokolsky. 491 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,600 The first day of the shoot with Melvin, 492 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,720 I was upstairs in this big department store. 493 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:42,000 He wanted me coming out in the dress 494 00:26:42,000 --> 00:26:44,120 that we were plugging, with bags - 495 00:26:44,120 --> 00:26:45,600 like I'd been shopping. 496 00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:48,000 And he said, "When you come out of the front door 497 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,280 "of the department store, the limo is at the kerb. 498 00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:52,880 "I want you to walk from the front door 499 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,800 "to the limo," because he said there's a crowd gathering. 500 00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,400 He was trying to disperse them 501 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,520 because he didn't want them in the shop - 502 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,560 and they wouldn't go. 503 00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:06,040 So he or one of his people came up with this idea. 504 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:09,720 He said, "Come back to the studio. 505 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:11,320 "I'm going to take a load of headshots of you, 506 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,000 "and we're going to make them into masks. 507 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,440 "And if people get in the picture, they're going to wear your face." 508 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,040 It was quite overwhelming. 509 00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,360 OK. Don't worry, Twiggy, you won't go out 510 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:28,600 if it's going to be dangerous. 511 00:27:28,600 --> 00:27:30,480 You've got two elevators. They've got to go first. 512 00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,360 You've got to get in the elevator first. 513 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:34,000 Can we just film? Don't let them out yet. 514 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,000 Let the photographer know that they are coming 515 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,000 before we let them walk out of here. 516 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,480 Like all crowds, you know, they get very excited. 517 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:41,680 "Oh, Twiggy! Oh, my God!" 518 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:43,200 Then they want to touch you. 519 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:47,720 And as I go through, 520 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,000 I hear one policeman say to the other, 521 00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,200 "We're never going to hold them back, Joe!" 522 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:54,400 And I went... 523 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,040 I was so frightened. 524 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:01,440 The bodyguard they'd hired to look after me 525 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,160 just picked me up under his arm, 526 00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:04,600 and he ran me through. 527 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:09,000 And he put me through the window of the limo. 528 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,440 And I remember laying on the limo floor, sobbing. 529 00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,960 And all my eyelashes had come off and, yeah, it was scary. 530 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,160 And in the end, the pictures with the people 531 00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,720 with the masks ended up winning them lots of prizes. 532 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:32,000 I became, like, celebrity status. 533 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,440 I was on the Johnny Carson Show, 534 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,440 which was the biggest chat show in America. 535 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:40,720 And then I was invited to go to LA. 536 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,760 Sonny and Cher threw a party for me on their lawn. 537 00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,880 And they were two of the biggest stars in America. 538 00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:54,520 And meeting people like Clint Eastwood 539 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,600 and Steve McQueen and... 540 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,920 I mean, again, it was quite surreal, really. 541 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,920 And what was extraordinary - you know, there was me, you know, I was 542 00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:13,440 17 and a half or whatever, mixing in the world of adult... 543 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:19,160 I mean, anyone over 21 seemed quite old. 544 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:20,880 Is this Beverly Hills we're at now? 545 00:29:20,880 --> 00:29:22,440 No, Encino. 546 00:29:22,440 --> 00:29:24,280 Where's Beverly Hills? 547 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,160 The other side of that hill. 548 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,720 I was thrown into a world that I knew nothing about, you know? 549 00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,800 Hey, did you see...? 550 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,680 Yeah, I loved that... 551 00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:36,560 OVERLAPPING VOICES 552 00:29:36,560 --> 00:29:40,160 Isn't it amazing, when you think about it, in this day and age? 553 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,360 And I did feel a little out of my depth. 554 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:46,000 But on the other hand, you know, I was being so looked after. 555 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,440 Says they're number two. 556 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,000 We can't argue with that. 557 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:51,000 I think he protected her. 558 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,000 At that very vulnerable age, 559 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:54,480 a teenage girl, 560 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,720 to then be on television every minute - 561 00:29:56,720 --> 00:30:00,000 and in the newspapers and in magazines. 562 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,600 Walk down the street and everybody knows who you are. 563 00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:06,040 And in those days, nobody asked how you felt. 564 00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:13,320 I was offered by a big company in Japan 565 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:14,840 to go over there and do some modelling. 566 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,520 Got off the plane. 567 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,000 It seemed like hundreds - it probably wasn't - 568 00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:23,760 and they all came rushing at me, 569 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,480 shouting at me in Japanese, 570 00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,240 and I just burst into tears. 571 00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,560 So all the front of the papers the papers the next day 572 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,040 was me crying. 573 00:30:34,240 --> 00:30:39,440 The actuality of being famous is odd and strange, 574 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,560 and for that to be thrust into your life 575 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:43,280 when you're still figuring out who you are, 576 00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:45,000 I don't think you can really ever prepare 577 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,360 for something so ridiculous. 578 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:48,600 Hello! 579 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,960 Because I went literally overnight 580 00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,560 from being kind of quite a shy, 581 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,960 introspective schoolgirl... 582 00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,000 You'd like to speak to Twiggy? 583 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:01,720 Well, she's feeding the ducks at the moment, love. 584 00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,640 ..to being known virtually all around the world. 585 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,000 LAUGHTER 586 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,800 So it was a bit peculiar. 587 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:19,520 He'll be all right, Twig. 588 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:22,000 We'll put it... We'll put it in a box and we'll take it with us. 589 00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,160 Put it in the box. I haven't got a box. 590 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,320 And they'll look after it. 591 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,240 We'll pay the man to look after it... 592 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:34,360 I've never been a very, you know, big extrovert. 593 00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,360 The thought of entering a big room with loads of people 594 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:39,800 makes my stomach turn over to this day. 595 00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,680 The loss of being able to have 596 00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,120 any type of anonymity can be a real shock. 597 00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:48,760 A lot of the publicity seems to suggest 598 00:31:48,760 --> 00:31:50,640 you're rather sort of a sexless sort of girl. 599 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:52,400 Looks - is it a boy, is it a girl? 600 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,840 No, it's Twiggy. 601 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:53,840 LAUGHTER 602 00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,200 How do you feel about that? Do you mind about that? I don't mind, no. 603 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,160 It's a tough industry to be in at such a young age. 604 00:31:59,160 --> 00:32:01,360 What are your statistics now? 605 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,000 31, 23, 32. 606 00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:08,280 Constantly being picked apart and being judged on how you look. 607 00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,000 What's your weight? 608 00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000 She would do TV chat shows, 609 00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:14,000 and I always thought it was so rude 610 00:32:14,000 --> 00:32:17,200 that the interviewer would comment on her weight. 611 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,640 What do you both think that Twiggy would be doing now 612 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:23,000 if she, let's say, gained 25lbs? 613 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,840 Call her Trunky. 614 00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,840 LAUGHTER 615 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,200 What? Trunky. 616 00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:30,160 But the fashion writers tell us that the bosom is back. 617 00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,000 Do you feel perhaps you can't compete? 618 00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:34,600 But the bosom's never been out, really. 619 00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:37,400 I got knocked down for being too thin 620 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:39,000 and flat-chested and... 621 00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,680 But, you know, that's what I look like. 622 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:43,240 Do you control your diet in order to stay thin? 623 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,000 No, I... You eat anything you want? 624 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,720 And then I got the whole thing about being blamed 625 00:32:48,720 --> 00:32:50,400 for being too thin 626 00:32:50,400 --> 00:32:53,320 and encouraging girls not to eat. 627 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:55,880 But they report that many German schoolgirls 628 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,600 gave up eating breakfast and lunch 629 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,600 in the hopes of thinning down to Twiggy dimensions. 630 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,480 So I used to always come out and say, 631 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,040 "Look, you know, I don't diet. 632 00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:07,920 "I'd love to put on a little bit of weight." 633 00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:11,320 You know, I was just young. I was young and, you know, skinny. 634 00:33:11,320 --> 00:33:12,760 I'll just bring you a cup of tea. Any sauce? 635 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:14,520 What do you want, ordinary or...? Hot sauce. 636 00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:17,000 Everybody all of a sudden has an idea 637 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,760 that they know you physically better than you do. 638 00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,240 Got any pictures on the beach? No. In the bikini? 639 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,000 I'd like to see that. 640 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,640 Oh, it just makes me so mad. 641 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,000 It just makes me so mad. 642 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:31,320 Have you discovered what men think of this? The men you know? 643 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,600 They hate it. Oh, have we ever! 644 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,000 What do they say? 645 00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:39,760 "That is THE most obnoxious haircut I have ever seen in my whole life." 646 00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:42,000 In other words, you dress for each other 647 00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,320 rather than for men? Yeah. 648 00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:51,280 Bert Stern was doing this documentary on me, 649 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:55,000 and he said, "I've got this mate. 650 00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,000 "He's a young and upcoming comedian." 651 00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:02,000 I mean, he wasn't the famous Woody Allen that he became. 652 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,560 He said, "I want to put you in a studio 653 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:06,400 "and he'll interview you." 654 00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:08,840 Take three. Slate. 655 00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:10,280 He's great, huh? 656 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:12,320 He's better than an actual slate. 657 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,120 LAUGHTER 658 00:34:14,120 --> 00:34:16,320 What are your views on serious matters? 659 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,760 Like what? I don't know, who's your favourite philosopher? 660 00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:24,600 I haven't got one. I don't know any. 661 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,679 Every time I think about it, I can remember the feeling 662 00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,880 and my knees going weak, and my tummy going over. 663 00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,360 Do you get a chance...? I bet you get a chance to read much, 664 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,280 being a model. 665 00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:36,480 Read what, books? 666 00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:38,000 Oh, you know, the great literature. 667 00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,600 It's just so - I have to curse - 668 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,000 fucking typical! 669 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,239 I'm sorry. It is so patronising. 670 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:48,880 This need to make inferior. 671 00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,400 I remember, because I'm sitting on my hands. 672 00:34:51,400 --> 00:34:54,400 And I remember clenching my thighs together 673 00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,440 and thinking, "Don't cry." 674 00:34:56,440 --> 00:34:58,600 I felt really embarrassed. 675 00:34:58,600 --> 00:35:00,640 To try to catch her out. 676 00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:05,000 What 15-year-old can tell you who their favourite philosopher is? 677 00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:07,720 Then, in my panic, 678 00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:09,880 my inner panic, I said to him... 679 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,400 ..who's yours? 680 00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,000 Oh, I... You know, I like... 681 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:16,280 I like them all. Who? 682 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:18,880 All your basic philosophers. Who? 683 00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:20,080 Just all of them. 684 00:35:20,080 --> 00:35:23,000 I don't know their names, though. What are their names? 685 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,320 Oh, there's a host of them. 686 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:28,000 LAUGHTER 687 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,000 I like your Greeks, your Germans, your... 688 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:34,600 Your enlightened philosophers, your eclectics. 689 00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,560 And he went, "Oh, your Greeks and your Romans." 690 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,480 And I said, "Yeah, but what are their names?" 691 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,000 I don't know their names, though. What are their names? 692 00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:43,600 Oh... 693 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,680 I got a call to say that Vogue wanted to do 694 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:52,320 a photograph of myself and David Bowie, 695 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:53,600 which I was thrilled about. 696 00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:57,000 I mean, you've got to remember, at that period he was huge. 697 00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,640 Your name is a lyric in one of the songs. 698 00:35:58,640 --> 00:35:59,720 Yeah. 699 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,600 It was a song called Drive-In Saturday. 700 00:36:05,600 --> 00:36:08,920 # Let me put my arms around your head 701 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:12,480 # Gee, it's hot, let's go to bed... # 702 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,280 And I was at home and it came on the radio. 703 00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,800 # His name was always Buddy 704 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,000 # And he'd shrug and ask to stay 705 00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,440 # She'd sigh like Twig the Wonder Kid... # 706 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,600 NEEDLE SCRATCH 707 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:27,600 Oh, my God! 708 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,640 David Bowie just sang my name in a song! 709 00:36:30,640 --> 00:36:33,400 And I can remember running to the record shop, 710 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,840 and I didn't know the name of the song. 711 00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,680 I think I kind of sang a bit of the chorus, 712 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,520 and he said, "Oh, that's Drive-In Saturday." 713 00:36:42,560 --> 00:36:45,400 And we flew to Paris to do the photograph, 714 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:48,760 because Bowie was recording there. 715 00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,000 He was such a lovely guy. 716 00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,640 So open, so friendly, so bright. 717 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,000 I think the photograph is 718 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:00,840 a marvellous photograph, actually. 719 00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:03,000 And I love the make-up we had on. 720 00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,280 And that was done because I had a suntan at the time 721 00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:08,000 and he was very, very pale. 722 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,360 # And she'd sigh like Twig the Wonder Kid 723 00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,440 # And turn her face away 724 00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:20,040 # She's uncertain if she likes him 725 00:37:20,040 --> 00:37:23,040 # But she knows she really loves him... # 726 00:37:39,240 --> 00:37:41,160 Completely inspirational. 727 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,040 Wow, I remember when Ken Russell first showed me these films. 728 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:51,400 And I just fell instantly in love 729 00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:54,000 with Fred Astaire and Ginger Rogers. 730 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:58,040 And, you know, nobody danced quite like them. 731 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,640 I'd never even thought of acting or doing anything like that. 732 00:38:05,720 --> 00:38:07,560 But then I met Ken Russell. 733 00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,680 And he asked to see me about this project 734 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:14,320 that actually never happened. 735 00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:17,600 But I became good friends with him and his wife, 736 00:38:17,600 --> 00:38:21,720 Shirley, who did all the designing of the clothes for all his films. 737 00:38:21,720 --> 00:38:23,480 And you've got to remember, in that period, 738 00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:27,000 Ken Russell was the biggest director in England. 739 00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,040 He became my mentor, really. 740 00:38:31,280 --> 00:38:36,800 In 1968, there was a new production of the stage play, 741 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,560 the musical The Boy Friend, and I'd gone to see it. 742 00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:44,640 The next night, I was having dinner with Ken and Shirley, 743 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,320 and I was just going on and on. I loved it. It was brilliant. 744 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,400 And at the end of the evening, 745 00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,200 after quite a few glasses of champagne, he suddenly said, 746 00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:56,000 "Yeah, I've always wanted to do a musical. 747 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,680 "Let's do a musical of The Boy Friend. 748 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,640 "And you can play Polly Browne," which is the lead girl. 749 00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,160 "And it'd be so much fun! What do you think?" 750 00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,600 And I thought, "Oh, he's just had a lot of champagne. 751 00:39:04,600 --> 00:39:06,760 "He'll forget about this in the morning." 752 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:11,000 And he rang me the next day, sober, and said, "What do you think?" 753 00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:14,240 And I said, "Oh, my goodness. I don't know." 754 00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:17,000 You know, I'd never acted before. 755 00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:19,720 Ken loved the idea, and Justin wanted me to do it and I wanted 756 00:39:19,720 --> 00:39:22,760 to do it. But when he went to the film company who owned it, you know, 757 00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,280 they said, "Oh, great," you know? 758 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,520 "Ken Russell, smashing. But we don't want her." 759 00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,560 It was like that. Because I don't blame him. I mean, I was a model. 760 00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,440 They didn't know if I could do it or not. 761 00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:34,200 And Ken really fought for me for, you know, a few months. 762 00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,440 And he really... He could've gone with somebody else. 763 00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,400 But he didn't, he fought and got me. 764 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,000 Which was funny, because when we got the deal, 765 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,360 we had dinner, celebrating, and he said, 766 00:39:42,360 --> 00:39:44,000 "Can you sing and dance?" I said, "No." 767 00:39:44,000 --> 00:39:46,160 He said, "Well, you'd better go and learn." 768 00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:49,560 Very few performers I can think of, or actors, 769 00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,280 go into their first film as the lead. 770 00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,000 Julie Andrews in Mary Poppins, 771 00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,680 Barbra Streisand in Funny Girl, 772 00:39:56,680 --> 00:39:58,280 and there's Twiggy in The Boy Friend. 773 00:39:58,280 --> 00:40:01,520 So she's in excellent company in that respect. 774 00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:05,800 Come along, folks, what's happening? 775 00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:07,000 Action! 776 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:10,080 # To have We plot to have... # 777 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:14,000 Ken was the most perfectionist director 778 00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:15,320 I've ever worked with. 779 00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,560 And if you didn't give 101% 780 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,320 all the time, 781 00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:24,000 Ken would really lose his rag. 782 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,720 # We scheme about, and dream about 783 00:40:26,720 --> 00:40:29,320 # And we've been known... # No, more this way, Twiggy! 784 00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:31,120 # We sigh for him And cry for him 785 00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:33,440 # And we would gladly die for him 786 00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:37,560 # That certain thing called the boyfriend. # 787 00:40:37,560 --> 00:40:41,000 I find her a very unique person. 788 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,280 Take one. 789 00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:43,760 Thank you. 790 00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:46,200 Of all the people I've worked with, 791 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,640 she comes nearer than anything to perfection 792 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,200 in someone I've ever met. 793 00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:55,240 This is a simple, honest truth. 794 00:40:55,240 --> 00:40:56,600 She seems totally truthful. 795 00:40:56,600 --> 00:41:00,440 She can't do a false thing against anyone. 796 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:02,280 That doesn't mean to say she's insipid and terrible. 797 00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:05,200 She's got a mind of her own, very good imagination, 798 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:08,040 and she is like a rejuvenating force. 799 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:12,360 Very nervous when we started filming, 800 00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:14,520 but all the cast were wonderful to me 801 00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:17,320 and kind of took me under their wing. 802 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:21,000 And I made some really good friends from that film. 803 00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:22,320 And Ken was amazing. 804 00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:25,000 They'd been rehearsing a while, 805 00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,000 and I was the last one to be cast. 806 00:41:27,000 --> 00:41:30,000 And I walked in and Twiggy was in the arms 807 00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,680 of Christopher Gable, dancing. 808 00:41:32,680 --> 00:41:34,080 I was struck dumb. 809 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,280 I was amazed that she was doing it, 810 00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:43,000 because I'd been studying dancing since I was five years old. 811 00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:46,000 And so, you know, I was doing what comes naturally. 812 00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,600 And Christopher Gable was a ballet star, 813 00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,320 and the rest of the cast were dancers, 814 00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,320 and Twiggy was the newcomer. 815 00:41:57,640 --> 00:41:59,880 We struck up a great relationship, 816 00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:01,800 and she made me laugh a lot. 817 00:42:03,520 --> 00:42:07,000 And I think that Twigs will have learnt a huge amount 818 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,680 by working with Ken Russell. 819 00:42:08,680 --> 00:42:10,040 Massive amount. 820 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:14,040 What an education! 821 00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:21,640 Ken took the risk 822 00:42:21,640 --> 00:42:24,160 to have this raw material, if you like, 823 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:27,000 that he'd acquired - Twiggy - 824 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,640 and turn it into something breathtaking. 825 00:42:35,520 --> 00:42:37,720 I think that this is a girl who... 826 00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,880 Maybe it's her background, I don't know, but she was open. 827 00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:48,160 Just open to anything that came. 828 00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:49,680 And she made the most of it. 829 00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:54,600 I always say to people, it was like finding the Secret Garden. 830 00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,000 It was like, "Oh, my God, this is amazing!" 831 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:00,200 It was a wonderful, wonderful experience. 832 00:43:00,200 --> 00:43:03,760 Very amazing learning experience. 833 00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,600 And from that day on, when I was in the middle of filming, I thought, 834 00:43:07,600 --> 00:43:09,200 "This is what I want to do." 835 00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:24,760 Ken's vision of effectively framing it - 836 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,000 a play within a play, a show within a show - 837 00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:29,840 was brilliant because it showcased those great numbers 838 00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,680 in the score, as these grandiose, you know, flamboyant 839 00:43:33,680 --> 00:43:35,000 and overly produced... 840 00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:38,760 All the traits that you would somewhat expect in an iconic film. 841 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,360 To see her be able to be multi-dimensional 842 00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:44,840 and still have the acting come through... 843 00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:47,760 Do you know what I mean? To be quirky and funny and vulnerable 844 00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:52,840 and all of that, and still do that in an environment of musicality? 845 00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,120 She's such a spirit, 846 00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:01,320 and so unbelievably talented as an actor. 847 00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,680 I thought Twigs in The Boy Friend was enchanting. 848 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:05,520 There was something so open about her. 849 00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,480 She doesn't have artifice. 850 00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:09,000 She doesn't play games. 851 00:44:09,000 --> 00:44:11,360 She works hard and tries her hardest and does it and gives it to you. 852 00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:12,560 She's a great... 853 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:15,520 She's a generous soul and she's a generous performer. 854 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:23,000 When the film came out, 855 00:44:23,000 --> 00:44:26,720 I got nominated for two Golden Globe Awards, 856 00:44:26,720 --> 00:44:28,360 which was very nice. 857 00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:31,480 And then, lo and behold, I won them. 858 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:35,320 I won one for Most Promising Newcomer 859 00:44:35,320 --> 00:44:38,720 and one for Best Actress in a Musical/Comedy. 860 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,480 I'm very proud of them 861 00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:48,400 and, er, they sit on my mantelpiece. LAUGHTER 862 00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,120 She was just THE leading model three years ago, 863 00:44:53,120 --> 00:44:55,240 and now she's come zooming back to glory again 864 00:44:55,240 --> 00:44:56,480 in the movie The Boy Friend. 865 00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,000 And the reviews are just fantastic of her performance in that. 866 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,440 Will you welcome Twiggy and Justin? 867 00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:04,920 I was on a roll. I was loving my life. 868 00:45:04,920 --> 00:45:08,560 I was travelling and meeting amazing people. 869 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,440 "Twiggy is sublime," says one. 870 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,120 "Lovely, endearing, exquisite." 871 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:14,840 That's delicious, isn't it? I can't believe it. 872 00:45:14,840 --> 00:45:16,240 Justin or "Joostin", do you like? 873 00:45:16,240 --> 00:45:18,080 "Justan" de Villeneuve. Justan? 874 00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,000 Yeah, Justin. No, Justin. Justin. 875 00:45:20,000 --> 00:45:22,800 Just in time. You heard... 876 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,120 It was all falling apart then, 877 00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:28,200 because he... 878 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:33,800 I think he was probably feeling that I was separating myself from him. 879 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,560 We were around at the time that she was offered the job with Ken Russell 880 00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:40,800 to do The Boy Friend, and I remember... 881 00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,840 I remember Justin, I think he was very, very nervous of her going into 882 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,680 the movie, because he was suddenly dealing with people who were 883 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,600 a different professional level from him. 884 00:45:50,360 --> 00:45:51,880 And also, he was... 885 00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:57,000 I don't know what went on, but he was being too pushy with Ken 886 00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,000 and Ken banned him from the set, 887 00:45:59,000 --> 00:46:01,280 which was actually kind of a relief for me. 888 00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,120 Justin had his ideas about the movie, 889 00:46:05,120 --> 00:46:08,000 what the movie should be, and there was no place for that. 890 00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:11,200 Ken Russell was... You know, he was the director. 891 00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:15,000 Justin, I would say, was maybe - I hope I'm not being mean - 892 00:46:15,000 --> 00:46:17,680 was in way out of his depth. 893 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:20,280 Twiggy became a little bit phoney 894 00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:22,560 because she was bored with fashion. 895 00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:24,520 Being a model wasn't sufficient. 896 00:46:24,520 --> 00:46:27,480 So, when she stopped, it wasn't to do a film, 897 00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,000 it was just to stop doing that. 898 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,360 Because we felt that everyone would be bored with her. 899 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,920 And we knew that in the last sort of three years - 900 00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,000 the last year, obviously, we've been doing the film - 901 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,000 the last three years that people would say, "Oh, Twiggy's finished." 902 00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,400 We were aware that would happen. 903 00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:42,720 "She's a has-been." Which we, you know, can take that. 904 00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,120 I think quite early on, 905 00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,400 Justin panicked at the loss of control, 906 00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:50,560 because he saw the loss of control as inevitable. 907 00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,400 And trying to work out how this could last, 908 00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,000 I think he thought it was a phenomenon. 909 00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:59,000 Whereas actually, when you think about it, 910 00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:00,320 Twiggy wasn't a phenomenon. 911 00:47:00,320 --> 00:47:04,640 She was something that was very grounded, very real. 912 00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,000 The balance wasn't even. 913 00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:09,600 Twiggy was the star. 914 00:47:09,600 --> 00:47:14,680 They had, you know, this amazing relationship going. 915 00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:17,000 But I wouldn't call that a partnership. 916 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:21,360 I think a partnership has to come with both feeling 917 00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,240 who they are within the team. 918 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:30,240 You... Er, you two are engaged now? 919 00:47:30,240 --> 00:47:32,280 "Officially," it says. Is that true? 920 00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:33,560 Yes, sort of. Sort of. 921 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,240 Sort of officially? 922 00:47:33,560 --> 00:47:35,240 LAUGHTER 923 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:37,440 He was, you know, often asking to get married. 924 00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:40,840 But I thought I was too young, which I was. I was a teenager. 925 00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,000 I don't really want to get married young, that's all. 926 00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:45,360 I'd get married. It's Twiggy that doesn't want to get married. 927 00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,000 I'll get married one day. Sorry to do that. 928 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,360 LAUGHTER 929 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:48,360 Really? 930 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,040 Oh, I'd get married. You'd get married now? 931 00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:51,800 Yeah. But Twiggy wants to wait? 932 00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:57,280 And I think, like most teenage relationships, 933 00:47:57,280 --> 00:47:59,000 you kind of grow out of each other. 934 00:47:59,000 --> 00:48:01,920 And I think that's kind of what happened. 935 00:48:01,920 --> 00:48:04,480 Do you ever have rows? Oh, yeah. 936 00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,280 Good rows? I mean, good, healthy rows or quick rows? 937 00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:10,840 Quick ones. Well, I usually end up crying. 938 00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:14,000 And that signifies the end of the row, does it? 939 00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,520 Cos I'd been so protected, 940 00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:20,000 you know, from the ages of 15 to 20, 941 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:23,160 you know, I'd lived in almost, like, a bird cage. 942 00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:26,080 You know, I didn't go out, 943 00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,000 I didn't hang out with my friends, 944 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:29,440 I didn't... 945 00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,280 Because what happened to me happened, I worked. 946 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,640 And I was either, you know, at home with Mum and Dad and my sisters, 947 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,840 or travelling with Justin. 948 00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:43,560 You know, I don't think I was... 949 00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:45,400 I wasn't really in love. 950 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,480 I was too young, I think. 951 00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,520 It was probably infatuation in the beginning. 952 00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:55,760 And then, you know, many years later, one finds out. 953 00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:57,000 I didn't know at the time, 954 00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:00,040 but I think he was philandering a little bit and... 955 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:03,480 Anyway, very complicated. 956 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,800 You know, without going into detail, it wasn't a happy time. 957 00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:13,560 And in the end, you know, I broke it off 958 00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:14,800 one way or the other. 959 00:49:20,240 --> 00:49:23,720 Twiggy rose effortlessly to fame in the trendy '60s, 960 00:49:23,720 --> 00:49:27,480 and within a year she was the most sought after model in the world. 961 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:29,680 But at the peak of her brief modelling career, 962 00:49:29,680 --> 00:49:31,000 Twiggy retired. Hello, it's me. 963 00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:36,000 Now, at 22, comes a carefully planned breakthrough into films. 964 00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:39,040 I was then offered a movie called W. 965 00:49:40,800 --> 00:49:44,920 Directed by a lovely American director called Richard Quine. 966 00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,800 Has he told you who your leading man is yet? 967 00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:49,400 No, I want to know. Tell her, man. 968 00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:50,840 I want to know. Michael Witney. 969 00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,000 W-I-T-N-E-Y. 970 00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:56,680 Michael Witney. And he's done seven pilots, Merv, 971 00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,000 and not one of them has sold. Mm. Oh. 972 00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:00,800 And he's the leading man on every one of them. 973 00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:02,720 And we looked at him and said, "It's impossible. 974 00:50:02,720 --> 00:50:05,440 "This man has just got to make it." 975 00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,120 Hello, my wife on line two. How are you? 976 00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:11,520 I think it took about three months to shoot in LA, 977 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,000 so that was nice. 978 00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:16,000 And that's when I kind of realised 979 00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,160 that there were other people in the world, 980 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:20,360 and I kind of got a big crush on Michael. 981 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,480 My mum always says it was love at first sight, 982 00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,600 which is so cute to hear about, you know, 983 00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:30,160 how your mum and dad met. 984 00:50:30,160 --> 00:50:31,400 It's nice to... 985 00:50:32,720 --> 00:50:36,000 ..have it on film when they, you know, first fell in love. 986 00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:37,640 It's quite cute. 987 00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:39,360 Another extraordinary thing, too, about you, 988 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:41,680 I mean, you had no formal training as an actress... No. 989 00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,000 ..did you, at all? 990 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:45,360 But, I mean, the film I did last, which was, you know, 991 00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,000 a total failure, W, was just not a very good film. 992 00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,200 But I loved doing it and I learned a lot. 993 00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:52,800 I don't think she takes herself too seriously. 994 00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:54,360 You know what I mean? 995 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,000 But do you want to be a star? A movie star? 996 00:50:57,000 --> 00:50:59,440 Er, I love doing films. Yeah, I love it. Yeah. 997 00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:01,200 I don't know about being a star, though. 998 00:51:01,200 --> 00:51:02,880 It's just good fun, making a film. 999 00:51:02,880 --> 00:51:07,320 She lives to be alive and not to be successful. 1000 00:51:07,320 --> 00:51:09,800 And to be... And to connect. 1001 00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:11,240 She's rare. 1002 00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:21,640 Moving to LA kind of gave me a bit of a break and some freedom. 1003 00:51:21,640 --> 00:51:24,800 It was very different than living in the UK. 1004 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:29,240 This was a new chapter for me. 1005 00:51:31,240 --> 00:51:34,000 What's interesting about girls growing up 1006 00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:38,160 is that sometimes they do reflect the man that they're with. 1007 00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,240 And when Twiggy and Justin were together, 1008 00:51:41,240 --> 00:51:43,280 she was his little girl, you know? 1009 00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:46,280 And then, when she met Michael, 1010 00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:51,400 she seemed to blossom and grow and become more of a woman. 1011 00:51:53,880 --> 00:51:56,280 I think, when I met Michael, it was actually the first 1012 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,440 I fell head over heels in love with somebody. 1013 00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:04,400 And the first few years together in California were amazing, 1014 00:52:04,400 --> 00:52:06,480 and we had a great life. 1015 00:52:08,920 --> 00:52:12,520 And a new career opened up by being in Los Angeles. 1016 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,160 # Never had a bad dream, baby 1017 00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,680 # I didn't share with you 1018 00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:22,120 # Seems like a good time dream 1019 00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,520 # All a-comin' true 1020 00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:26,880 # All a-comin' true, sweet babe 1021 00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:28,880 # Keep a-comin' true 1022 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,560 # In spite of anything I say 1023 00:52:31,560 --> 00:52:33,360 # No matter what I do... # 1024 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:37,000 Cos of my doing The Boy Friend, it opened up more doors. 1025 00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,200 And because it was a musical, 1026 00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:41,240 I got offered a recording deal - 1027 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:43,880 which led to me doing my first proper album. 1028 00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:47,560 # Here I go again 1029 00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,520 # Off down the road again 1030 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:53,440 # Thinking thoughts 1031 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:56,160 # Days gone by 1032 00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,440 # Here I am again 1033 00:52:58,440 --> 00:52:59,920 # Singing my songs again... # 1034 00:52:59,920 --> 00:53:01,880 You know, I think it's important to remember that 1035 00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:03,040 at that period of time, 1036 00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,440 that period of music making and record making, 1037 00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:08,000 there was no autotune, no fixing things. 1038 00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,920 You know, you had to be able to do it. And she can do it. 1039 00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:16,480 # Swirls of giant colours swam madly through my head 1040 00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:20,000 # I looked around to find you... # 1041 00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,080 I did a big concert tour in England 1042 00:53:23,080 --> 00:53:26,440 and ended up at the Albert Hall, which is pretty scary. 1043 00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:29,280 And I filled it as well, but it was scary. 1044 00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,720 # If morning's echoes says we've sinned 1045 00:53:32,720 --> 00:53:36,040 # Well, it was what I wanted now 1046 00:53:40,240 --> 00:53:43,680 # And if we're victims of the night 1047 00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:49,280 # I won't be blinded by the light 1048 00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:55,000 # Just call me angel of the morning 1049 00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,000 # Angel 1050 00:53:57,000 --> 00:54:00,600 # Just touch my cheek before you leave me 1051 00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,440 # Baby 1052 00:54:02,440 --> 00:54:06,280 # Just call me angel of the morning 1053 00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,040 # Angel... # 1054 00:54:10,440 --> 00:54:13,600 I got offered a TV series - a variety series. 1055 00:54:13,600 --> 00:54:16,640 We filmed one every week, so you'd rehearse, 1056 00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,240 you know, on the Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, 1057 00:54:18,240 --> 00:54:21,000 and then you'd go into the studio and record. 1058 00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:23,200 # When will the day be? 1059 00:54:23,200 --> 00:54:26,600 # The big day may be tonight. # 1060 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:28,080 LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE 1061 00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,680 Ginger La Rue! 1062 00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,600 And because of my knowledge 1063 00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:34,560 that I'd soaked up from Ken, 1064 00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,000 and he'd introduced me to all these amazing singers 1065 00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,720 from the '20s and '30s, 1066 00:54:39,720 --> 00:54:42,680 we did lots of those songs on my show and I loved it. 1067 00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,440 # We were kids from a small street 1068 00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,560 # We did very well on Wall Street 1069 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:53,280 # Though I never owned a share of stock... # 1070 00:54:53,280 --> 00:54:56,000 Every week, I'd have on a special guest. 1071 00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,160 Hi, chicks. David Essex. 1072 00:54:58,160 --> 00:55:00,800 Well, well. Look what's just dropped out 1073 00:55:00,800 --> 00:55:03,520 of a cornflake package. Can I join you? 1074 00:55:03,520 --> 00:55:05,360 I really wanted to have Bryan Ferry on 1075 00:55:05,360 --> 00:55:08,560 because I was a huge fan of Roxy Music, 1076 00:55:08,560 --> 00:55:11,720 and the director, for some reason, decided it'd be fun to do it, 1077 00:55:11,720 --> 00:55:13,160 we were like school kids. 1078 00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:16,160 # Don't know much about science books 1079 00:55:17,240 --> 00:55:20,200 # Don't know much about the French I took 1080 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,080 # But I do know that I love you 1081 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,120 # And I know that if you love me, too 1082 00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,560 # What a wonderful world this would be... # 1083 00:55:31,560 --> 00:55:35,520 Somebody showed it to me about a year ago, and it's very sweet. 1084 00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,720 What's frightening - we both look so young! 1085 00:55:38,720 --> 00:55:40,680 But then we were, I suppose! 1086 00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:44,000 That's me and Bing Crosby. Aw! 1087 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,520 And I got to sing with him! Amazing. 1088 00:55:46,520 --> 00:55:49,560 Have Yourself A Merry Little Christmas. I was very nervous. 1089 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:52,960 # Have yourself a merry little Christmas 1090 00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,360 # Let your heart be light... # 1091 00:55:57,360 --> 00:56:00,000 Usually for TV - well, often - 1092 00:56:00,000 --> 00:56:02,080 they record it and you lip-sync. 1093 00:56:02,080 --> 00:56:04,560 But Bing refused to lip-sync. 1094 00:56:04,560 --> 00:56:06,000 He liked singing live. 1095 00:56:06,000 --> 00:56:08,040 So we had to sing it live. 1096 00:56:09,080 --> 00:56:14,000 # Have yourself a merry little Christmas 1097 00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:18,280 # Make the Yuletide gay... # 1098 00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,000 We shot it in the September. 1099 00:56:20,000 --> 00:56:22,680 Then he went off to play golf in Spain, 1100 00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,760 and that's when he had his massive heart attack and died. 1101 00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:29,360 # Here we are, as in olden days 1102 00:56:29,360 --> 00:56:33,880 # Happy golden days of yore 1103 00:56:35,200 --> 00:56:36,640 # Faithful friends... # 1104 00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,800 So when that Christmas show went out, he wasn't around. 1105 00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:42,000 # So have yourself 1106 00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:47,360 # A merry little Christmas 1107 00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,000 # Now. # 1108 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,240 I'm very proud of that. 1109 00:56:56,320 --> 00:56:59,880 A producer friend of mine introduced me to Spector, 1110 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:03,000 one of the biggest record producers of that period. 1111 00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:07,200 He invited me to go up to his house in the Hollywood Hills. 1112 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:11,000 Well, it was more than a house, it was a huge Spanish mansion. 1113 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:14,800 Luckily, Michael was with me. 1114 00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,760 I rang the doorbell. I was a bit nervous. 1115 00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:19,440 And the door opened 1116 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:22,000 and this kind of big bruiser guy with, you know, 1117 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:23,680 a broken nose and everything went, 1118 00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:27,000 "Oh, hello, Twigs. How are you?" And he was from London. 1119 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,520 And he took us through. 1120 00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:30,760 And it was all very dark, 1121 00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,520 all the windows were covered with curtains. 1122 00:57:34,800 --> 00:57:38,680 He showed us into this amazing drawing room. 1123 00:57:38,680 --> 00:57:41,400 And we waited and we waited and we waited. 1124 00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:44,000 And we were there for probably over an hour - 1125 00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:46,400 until, you know, Michael said, "I don't think he's coming. 1126 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,640 "I think we should go." 1127 00:57:47,640 --> 00:57:50,480 And then, over the loudspeaker system... 1128 00:57:50,480 --> 00:57:52,560 LAUGHTER 1129 00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,760 ..came this kind of maniacal voice, saying, 1130 00:57:55,760 --> 00:58:00,000 "Ah-ha-ha! I'm not going to call you Twiggy. 1131 00:58:00,000 --> 00:58:02,400 "Ah-ha-ha! 1132 00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:05,000 "I'm not going to call you Twiggy." 1133 00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:08,680 And the door in the far corner of the room opened 1134 00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:11,040 and Phil Spector appeared. 1135 00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:15,560 He came over, and I said, 1136 00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:17,520 "Hello, it's lovely to meet you." 1137 00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,640 He kept saying, "I'm not going to call you Twiggy." 1138 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:23,360 And I said, "Well, that's fine, that's..." 1139 00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,160 And then he got out a pack of cigarettes, 1140 00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:28,000 and he took two out 1141 00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:30,320 and put them both in his mouth and lit... 1142 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,200 I mean, it was really peculiar. 1143 00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,040 So he had these two cigarettes sticking out of his mouth. 1144 00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,560 I tried to keep the conversation going as normally as possible, 1145 00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,320 and then he kind of walked across the room. 1146 00:58:41,320 --> 00:58:42,880 And as he turned, 1147 00:58:42,880 --> 00:58:46,560 he went into his jacket and he pulled out a handgun. 1148 00:58:46,560 --> 00:58:49,000 I was like, "Oh, my God!" 1149 00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:50,880 And Michael just grabbed me, 1150 00:58:50,880 --> 00:58:53,000 and we managed to run out 1151 00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:57,000 and we heard one gunshot go off. 1152 00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:00,000 And I was absolutely hysterical. 1153 00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:01,960 We got out of the house and in the car, 1154 00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:03,560 and I cried all the way home. 1155 00:59:07,560 --> 00:59:09,800 Knowing what happened later, 1156 00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:12,040 I feel very lucky that we got out. 1157 00:59:15,520 --> 00:59:18,000 My career was still blossoming. 1158 00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:21,240 I was working in LA and in London. 1159 00:59:21,240 --> 00:59:24,000 Michael was struggling a bit, 1160 00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:27,440 but he landed a big beer commercial playing a cowboy, 1161 00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,040 and it was shot in the desert in Nevada. 1162 00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,320 Michael went out with the boys on the commercial 1163 00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:37,680 and got very drunk one night, 1164 00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:42,680 and that's the first time I'd kind of seen that other side. 1165 00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,440 Er... 1166 00:59:44,440 --> 00:59:47,520 It was... I didn't really worry about it 1167 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:49,640 because I just thought it was a one-off. 1168 00:59:49,640 --> 00:59:53,000 But I think it was probably a warning sign 1169 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,800 that I didn't kind of pick up on. 1170 00:59:55,800 --> 01:00:00,120 Because when you're in love with somebody, you kind of think, 1171 01:00:00,120 --> 01:00:02,200 "Oh, well, it won't happen again." 1172 01:00:03,520 --> 01:00:06,440 Do you foresee the day when you're going to get married? 1173 01:00:06,440 --> 01:00:09,280 I mean, do you want to get married? Oh, yeah. Mm. Very much. 1174 01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,440 I'd like to have children. You would? Mm. 1175 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,920 Not outside of a married relationship? Not really. 1176 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,840 I mean, I'm not... I'm not all for, "Oh, you must get married." 1177 01:00:16,840 --> 01:00:19,360 I think it's up to people. For me, I'd like to be married 1178 01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:21,920 when I have children, but that's just my personal view. 1179 01:00:23,040 --> 01:00:25,920 I was 28 when we got married, 1180 01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,520 which, actually, in those days was quite late to get married. 1181 01:00:29,520 --> 01:00:33,040 I wanted to get married. I thought it would be a nice thing to do. 1182 01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:37,040 I knew Mum and Dad would like it, although I think Dad, certainly, 1183 01:00:37,040 --> 01:00:41,480 was slightly worried about Michael's problem. 1184 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,520 But he would promise me that it wouldn't happen again. 1185 01:00:44,520 --> 01:00:47,360 And it didn't, often, for months and months and months. 1186 01:00:47,360 --> 01:00:49,520 So, rightly or wrongly, we went... 1187 01:00:49,520 --> 01:00:53,280 But I'm... You know, I'm glad we did, because then I got pregnant 1188 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:55,760 with my gorgeous Carly. 1189 01:00:56,760 --> 01:01:00,280 And then your life changes completely 1190 01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:05,040 because, suddenly, you give birth to a little creature 1191 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:09,040 who you love more than anything you can imagine you can love. 1192 01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:14,760 You are their protector and their everything, 1193 01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,040 and my bond with my daughter is... 1194 01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:19,680 ..amazing. 1195 01:01:19,680 --> 01:01:21,520 And, you know... 1196 01:01:23,040 --> 01:01:27,360 ..I just thank... thank everybody that I had her. 1197 01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:37,440 Motherhood's suiting you. Oh, thank you. 1198 01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,040 Are you enjoying it? Yeah. It's hard work. 1199 01:01:40,040 --> 01:01:42,680 I think all mothers are amazing, I really do. 1200 01:01:42,680 --> 01:01:45,040 I can see why there's a Mother's Day now. 1201 01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:46,520 LAUGHTER 1202 01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,040 Motherhood is a huge adjustment, 1203 01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:53,440 and to be working and have a child is just complicated. 1204 01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:05,680 She's very contemporary because it mustn't have been easy then. 1205 01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:08,040 It's not even easy now. 1206 01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,520 A fashion legend before she was 20, she has since appeared in films 1207 01:02:11,520 --> 01:02:14,120 and sung and danced her way through her own TV series, 1208 01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:17,120 and now, just into her third decade, she's about to try her hand 1209 01:02:17,120 --> 01:02:19,440 at yet another career - that of a serious actress. 1210 01:02:19,440 --> 01:02:21,400 My guest is Twiggy! 1211 01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,080 APPLAUSE 1212 01:02:24,080 --> 01:02:26,760 Every actor or actress has got a favourite thing 1213 01:02:26,760 --> 01:02:29,200 that they've done or that they're proud of, 1214 01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:35,040 and one of mine, certainly, is the television version of Pygmalion. 1215 01:02:35,040 --> 01:02:37,520 It was a lot of work, but it was... 1216 01:02:37,520 --> 01:02:40,880 Hard work never hurt anyone, my mum always said. 1217 01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:42,840 She's no use. I've got all the records I want 1218 01:02:42,840 --> 01:02:45,000 of the Lisson Grove lingo. I'm not going to waste 1219 01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:47,520 another cylinder on it. Be off with you. I don't want you. 1220 01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,040 At the beginning of the play, it explains that she comes 1221 01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:54,280 from Lisson Grove, which is in north-west London. 1222 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,680 And I'm from north-west London, so I thought, 1223 01:02:56,680 --> 01:02:59,680 I've got that accent down. That's just me. 1224 01:02:59,680 --> 01:03:01,160 A bit rougher. 1225 01:03:01,160 --> 01:03:03,440 Well, if my money's not good enough, I can go elsewhere. 1226 01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,320 You were doing it totally in reverse from the normal actress. 1227 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,680 That's the way Eliza was written, actually. Yeah. 1228 01:03:08,680 --> 01:03:12,040 But you have to learn how to unpick the accent, don't you? Oh, yes. Yes. 1229 01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,040 Never mind going, "Yes, yes." What did you do? Did you... 1230 01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:16,520 LAUGHTER 1231 01:03:16,520 --> 01:03:19,520 How did you learn how to talk posh? It's hard. I'll bet. It's hard. 1232 01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:21,120 Is it? It nearly killed me. 1233 01:03:21,120 --> 01:03:23,760 Miss Doolittle? Here she is, Mother. 1234 01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:30,280 The whole show was predicated on the fact of waiting for that moment. 1235 01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:34,040 Can she do it? Can she speak with a posh accent? 1236 01:03:34,040 --> 01:03:36,680 POSH ACCENT: How do you do, Mrs Higgins? 1237 01:03:36,680 --> 01:03:38,840 Mr Higgins told me I might come. 1238 01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:42,000 And, gloriously, of course she could. 1239 01:03:42,000 --> 01:03:45,040 My aunt died of influenza, so they said, 1240 01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:48,000 but it's my belief they done the old woman in. 1241 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,760 Done her in? 1242 01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,960 I mean, we had some great times teaching her. 1243 01:03:52,960 --> 01:03:55,920 I was thrilled to be offered it because, you know, 1244 01:03:55,920 --> 01:04:00,040 it's one of the great acting roles for a woman, really - a young woman. 1245 01:04:00,040 --> 01:04:03,760 And the winner is...Tommy Tune. CHEERING 1246 01:04:03,760 --> 01:04:06,680 Tommy became probably one of the most successful 1247 01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:09,520 musical theatre directors on Broadway. 1248 01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:14,760 In the back of my mind, I always had this show 1249 01:04:14,760 --> 01:04:18,760 that I wanted to do with Twiggy, and so I called her and I said, 1250 01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:23,040 "Could I talk you into coming to New York and being in a musical?" 1251 01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:25,520 I said, "Oh, when do we start filming? 1252 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,520 And he said, "No, no, no, no, no. It's going to be on Broadway." 1253 01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,760 And I said, "Oh, my God, I can't do that!" And he said, "There's no such 1254 01:04:31,760 --> 01:04:34,320 "word as can't. Pack your bag and get out to New York." 1255 01:04:36,720 --> 01:04:40,720 They just uprooted their life and came to Broadway to make this show. 1256 01:04:41,720 --> 01:04:46,280 We were kind of like the same body. She was a twig and I was a stick. 1257 01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:50,040 We were just bones on elastic. 1258 01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,680 It was how they were so opposite and really interacted together 1259 01:04:57,680 --> 01:04:59,680 that fused their partnership. 1260 01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,680 We did a couple of numbers that lasted ten minutes, 1261 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,320 and that's a lot of dancing, and she did it. 1262 01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:07,920 She learned it. 1263 01:05:15,280 --> 01:05:18,520 There is nothing like going out on the stage 1264 01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:23,600 in front of a live audience, singing Gershwin songs and dancing, 1265 01:05:23,600 --> 01:05:27,040 and you can feel their energy coming back to you. 1266 01:05:27,040 --> 01:05:30,280 Obviously, there are... You get amazing nights 1267 01:05:30,280 --> 01:05:32,760 where you feel you're almost flying. 1268 01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:34,720 It's an extraordinary sensation. 1269 01:05:34,720 --> 01:05:39,280 As scared as I was about doing it, once I'd got out there, 1270 01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,040 I mean, it becomes very addictive. 1271 01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:48,440 But I do remember the standing ovation and the cheers 1272 01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:50,760 and I thought, "I think we've done it." 1273 01:05:54,040 --> 01:05:57,360 While we were in the middle of the run of My One And Only, 1274 01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:02,240 we had the exciting call that they wanted Tommy and I 1275 01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:06,480 to perform at the Royal Variety Performance that year. 1276 01:06:06,480 --> 01:06:09,760 It was so exciting, and we did the water dance. 1277 01:06:12,000 --> 01:06:14,040 APPLAUSE 1278 01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,960 I think it was a little bit like being... 1279 01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:22,040 ..a bird let out of a cage, because... 1280 01:06:23,040 --> 01:06:26,280 ..I suddenly realised how wonderful the experience was 1281 01:06:26,280 --> 01:06:29,520 and I forever, you know, will thank Tommy Tune 1282 01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,040 for giving me that chance to do it. 1283 01:06:38,320 --> 01:06:40,040 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 1284 01:06:41,040 --> 01:06:43,360 I got nominated for a Tony Award, 1285 01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,360 which is the biggest award you can get on Broadway, 1286 01:06:46,360 --> 01:06:48,520 so that's a big high. 1287 01:06:50,040 --> 01:06:53,120 What about your little girl? Is she thrilled with what you're doing? 1288 01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:55,520 I think she thinks all mums and dads do that. 1289 01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:59,000 You know, everyone sings and dances and gets up on a stage and... 1290 01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:02,520 Cos, you know, she doesn't know who I am or what I am 1291 01:07:02,520 --> 01:07:04,920 except, you know, I do what I do. 1292 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:08,520 The days that I didn't have nursery, I'd go in with her and I'd spend... 1293 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:11,760 I used to spend lots of time backstage and I was... 1294 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:14,280 You know, all the dancers were lovely. 1295 01:07:14,280 --> 01:07:16,840 And I used to collect all the sequins on the floor 1296 01:07:16,840 --> 01:07:18,680 that fell off their costumes. 1297 01:07:18,680 --> 01:07:21,040 And I used to watch Mum and Tommy rehearse, 1298 01:07:21,040 --> 01:07:25,120 and Tommy was so lovely and was such a... 1299 01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:28,040 You know, he's been such an important man in my life, 1300 01:07:28,040 --> 01:07:31,080 and I remember that time very affectionately. 1301 01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,520 They had made this beautiful little child, 1302 01:07:35,520 --> 01:07:37,360 and we all loved her. 1303 01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:41,520 Carly was just divine and crazy as a loon. 1304 01:07:41,520 --> 01:07:43,760 She was so eccentric. 1305 01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,120 Do you remember you were obsessed with Popeye? 1306 01:07:46,120 --> 01:07:48,280 I was. He was my first love. 1307 01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:51,040 And you used to ask me for spinach every day. 1308 01:07:51,040 --> 01:07:53,880 You ate spinach. I used to walk around with one eye closed, 1309 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,920 and this is not... 1310 01:07:53,880 --> 01:07:55,920 TWIGGY LAUGHS 1311 01:07:55,920 --> 01:07:57,720 I'm not making this up. 1312 01:07:57,720 --> 01:08:00,520 You would only wear sailor suits. And I wanted a pipe. 1313 01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:04,040 Obviously, a two-year-old can't... A three-year-old can't have a pipe. 1314 01:08:04,040 --> 01:08:06,040 No. And so you used to wrap... 1315 01:08:06,040 --> 01:08:10,600 I used to get a plastic straw... Yeah. ..and tie knots in one end 1316 01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:12,760 so it was like a bobble at the end, 1317 01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:15,640 and you used to walk around with that in your mouth. Yeah. 1318 01:08:21,279 --> 01:08:24,120 There were months and months and months where he didn't drink 1319 01:08:24,120 --> 01:08:26,520 and he was lovely and everything was fine, 1320 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,040 and then something would happen, so he'd drown his sorrows. 1321 01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:34,760 As time went on... 1322 01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:39,040 ..those times of drinking, you know, got closer together. 1323 01:08:39,040 --> 01:08:41,760 It's a terrible, terrible illness. 1324 01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:46,120 You try everything to try and help them to get help, 1325 01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:49,520 you know, but it's very, very, very complicated. 1326 01:08:51,520 --> 01:08:53,439 I couldn't cope with... 1327 01:08:53,439 --> 01:08:57,760 ..trying to do this massive show on Broadway and rehearsals... 1328 01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,040 I mean, often we'd rehearse till midnight at night, 1329 01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:02,760 like you do. 1330 01:09:02,760 --> 01:09:06,040 To come home and then have to deal with that problem, 1331 01:09:06,040 --> 01:09:08,520 I couldn't cope with it, and, erm... 1332 01:09:08,520 --> 01:09:12,279 So it kind of ended that relationship, really. 1333 01:09:13,520 --> 01:09:18,040 And I don't doubt that he loved me and I know he adored Carly. 1334 01:09:19,680 --> 01:09:20,880 The drink... 1335 01:09:21,880 --> 01:09:24,120 ..made him throw all that away. 1336 01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,359 And it's really sad, really. 1337 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:33,040 AMBULANCE SIREN 1338 01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:40,760 He died... 1339 01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:44,240 ..the day before my fifth birthday. 1340 01:09:44,240 --> 01:09:47,279 He had a massive heart attack and I was alone with him in a restaurant. 1341 01:09:52,040 --> 01:09:56,520 It was quite a kind of, you know, violent way to lose him. 1342 01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:01,040 I think it... You know, it's had an effect on me. 1343 01:10:01,040 --> 01:10:04,520 But the way my mum, you know, protected me from... 1344 01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,520 You know, there were photographers trying to take photos of me 1345 01:10:07,520 --> 01:10:10,680 and asking me how I felt about my father dying 1346 01:10:10,680 --> 01:10:13,760 when I was five years old, and I think, you know, 1347 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:16,680 she kept me away from all of that. 1348 01:10:16,680 --> 01:10:20,840 You know, obviously, losing your dad was very traumatic, 1349 01:10:20,840 --> 01:10:22,680 but mainly because of you. 1350 01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:25,280 And mainly cos I was with him when it happened. Yeah. 1351 01:10:25,280 --> 01:10:29,520 And I was so concerned that you had to experience that 1352 01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:32,800 that I probably became overprotective. I don't know. 1353 01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:39,280 He did go to AA and stop drinking, he did stop, 1354 01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:41,920 but I'm afraid the damage was done and... 1355 01:10:42,920 --> 01:10:45,520 And he was only 52. It was terrible. 1356 01:10:45,520 --> 01:10:48,360 And although we were living apart, you know, obviously, 1357 01:10:48,360 --> 01:10:50,920 when you've loved somebody, 1358 01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:52,120 you don't... 1359 01:10:53,640 --> 01:10:55,280 That doesn't really stop. 1360 01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:04,040 You know, the greatest thing that he gave me was Carly, 1361 01:11:04,040 --> 01:11:08,520 and, you know, I'll always hold that close to my heart. 1362 01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:20,920 And of course your life appeared to be going along on a very even train 1363 01:11:20,920 --> 01:11:23,320 and then you had a personal tragedy... Yeah. 1364 01:11:23,320 --> 01:11:26,520 If I may ask how you managed to bounce back from that? 1365 01:11:26,520 --> 01:11:28,440 I think you do. You have to. 1366 01:11:28,440 --> 01:11:31,040 I was, erm... I had to for Carly. 1367 01:11:31,040 --> 01:11:33,600 I've got a little girl who's six-and-a-half. 1368 01:11:33,600 --> 01:11:36,840 She's with us this evening, but not in the audience, isn't that right? 1369 01:11:36,840 --> 01:11:39,920 And... So I had to for her. I couldn't collapse as well. 1370 01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:44,520 So, suddenly, when you've got a child and you're the breadwinner, 1371 01:11:44,520 --> 01:11:47,560 you kick into another gear, I think. 1372 01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:48,920 APPLAUSE 1373 01:11:48,920 --> 01:11:50,440 It's a whole new you. 1374 01:11:50,440 --> 01:11:53,240 Just everything going and the hips moving. 1375 01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:56,520 Look at you - a real trampette. It's wonderful. 1376 01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:58,080 LAUGHTER 1377 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:01,200 Even the chastity belt is back. That's not the Twiggy I knew. 1378 01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,760 The first time I met you, it was like little Twiggy. 1379 01:12:03,760 --> 01:12:06,160 But I am very grown up now. I'm 36 years old. 1380 01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,040 I got cast in a film called Club Paradise. 1381 01:12:12,040 --> 01:12:17,280 I was very excited because the star of this new film was Robin Williams, 1382 01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,640 who was a major, major Hollywood star. 1383 01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,360 We had three months in Jamaica doing this film. 1384 01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:25,040 Carly came out. 1385 01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,040 And Robin, we laughed a lot. 1386 01:12:29,040 --> 01:12:32,280 I can remember saying to him, "I'm not going to look at you today," 1387 01:12:32,280 --> 01:12:35,120 because once you get the giggles, it's awful, isn't it? 1388 01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:36,920 TWIGGY LAUGHS 1389 01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:44,520 And I came back here after the filming 1390 01:12:44,520 --> 01:12:46,920 and it was the summer. 1391 01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:49,280 I had been asked out on dates. 1392 01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:53,280 I was very, very, very cautious. 1393 01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:55,400 And mainly because of Carly. 1394 01:12:55,400 --> 01:12:57,760 Because I didn't... You know, I wanted... 1395 01:12:57,760 --> 01:13:01,760 If I met somebody, and I wanted to meet somebody, but I wanted... 1396 01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,680 It needed to be right for her as well as for me. 1397 01:13:04,680 --> 01:13:08,040 So we invited Twiggs to dinner. 1398 01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:12,440 Robert Powell ringing up my friend Mike King 1399 01:13:12,440 --> 01:13:16,360 and saying, "Richard Johnson and his wife have just had a huge row 1400 01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,760 "and so they can't join us for dinner at La Famiglia restaurant 1401 01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:22,040 "in World's End in London. 1402 01:13:22,040 --> 01:13:24,440 "Would you come to dinner?" 1403 01:13:24,440 --> 01:13:27,920 So I turn up at La Famiglia 1404 01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:31,160 and there's this gorgeous creature sitting there at the table. 1405 01:13:32,160 --> 01:13:35,920 And me, Babs and Mike... 1406 01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:38,440 ..spent the evening as gooseberries. 1407 01:13:39,560 --> 01:13:41,280 It was extraordinary. 1408 01:13:42,520 --> 01:13:46,760 I fell madly in love, obviously, like you do in a new relationship, 1409 01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:49,760 and he... I mean, he was gorgeous. 1410 01:13:49,760 --> 01:13:54,040 Physically gorgeous, but he was also a really sweet, lovely man. 1411 01:13:54,040 --> 01:13:57,160 Very kind of old-fashioned in lots of ways. 1412 01:14:00,040 --> 01:14:04,760 When you've been through a broken relationship or marriage, 1413 01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:09,120 you're very, very tentative about entering into another one. 1414 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:12,520 Am I going down the same road? 1415 01:14:12,520 --> 01:14:15,680 And, how could that love have died? 1416 01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:18,040 And ours didn't. 1417 01:14:18,040 --> 01:14:22,040 It lasted for 38 years, up to this present moment. Yes. 1418 01:14:22,040 --> 01:14:24,680 So unless things go awful tonight... TWIGGY LAUGHS 1419 01:14:24,680 --> 01:14:27,640 ..we're locked in for another 38. 1420 01:14:27,640 --> 01:14:30,440 When Leigh and I did get together and get married, 1421 01:14:30,440 --> 01:14:33,320 you know, I've got my daughter and he's got a son, 1422 01:14:33,320 --> 01:14:37,680 so we became a new family, so it's making all that work. 1423 01:14:37,680 --> 01:14:41,280 It's always very complicated and people do it in very different ways, 1424 01:14:41,280 --> 01:14:42,920 but that worked for us. 1425 01:14:42,920 --> 01:14:47,760 I felt incredibly fortunate to be able to call Carly my sister 1426 01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:51,320 and, Twiggy, as loving as I could have wished for in a step-mum. 1427 01:14:52,320 --> 01:14:54,720 Here is the queen. Come into our humble abode. 1428 01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:56,680 We were all met with garlands. 1429 01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:59,600 They put garlands around our necks when we arrived. 1430 01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:02,280 How's the water? Warm? 1431 01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:04,280 Well, they probably have it heated. 1432 01:15:04,280 --> 01:15:06,920 Leigh was a very successful stage and screen actor 1433 01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,760 when I first met him, and he has done brilliant things 1434 01:15:09,760 --> 01:15:12,760 in his acting and, later on, directing career. 1435 01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:16,760 But we made a pact that if we were going to be together, 1436 01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:20,040 if one of us got a really good gig, 1437 01:15:20,040 --> 01:15:21,920 the other one would come. 1438 01:15:21,920 --> 01:15:25,520 Like, if I got it, he'd come with me, and vice-versa. 1439 01:15:25,520 --> 01:15:27,000 Happy birthday! 1440 01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:29,760 So we weren't separated, let's put it that way, 1441 01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:32,760 because I think separation in our business 1442 01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:35,360 is very, very difficult, 1443 01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:38,400 and has proved to be for many, many couples. 1444 01:15:38,400 --> 01:15:40,760 Excuse me, are you recording? Yes. You know... 1445 01:15:40,760 --> 01:15:43,360 Say, "Turn over, action." Turn over, action! 1446 01:15:43,360 --> 01:15:47,040 Oh, darling, we have smoked salmon. What shall we put it on? 1447 01:15:47,040 --> 01:15:51,400 Soulmates, I think, is a very good description for these two. 1448 01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:54,440 They do not like to be apart. 1449 01:15:55,440 --> 01:15:59,320 I've always said this - my family life has always taken 1450 01:15:59,320 --> 01:16:01,520 precedence over work, 1451 01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:03,760 be it rightly or wrongly. 1452 01:16:05,040 --> 01:16:07,720 I think the thing that first jumps out 1453 01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:10,280 is the love that they have for each other. 1454 01:16:10,280 --> 01:16:13,760 And, coming from a broken home 1455 01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,920 and being around that kind of unconditional love, 1456 01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:19,560 was just hypnotic and magical. 1457 01:16:20,560 --> 01:16:24,520 He's also a brilliant writer and I love his wonderful poetry, 1458 01:16:24,520 --> 01:16:27,040 but, really, I just love him. 1459 01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:31,440 Finding each other in the world of entertainment when you have 1460 01:16:31,440 --> 01:16:34,280 a level of fame is probably not the easiest thing in the world, 1461 01:16:34,280 --> 01:16:36,280 so I think there was a real normality 1462 01:16:36,280 --> 01:16:38,520 that my parents had with her and Leigh. 1463 01:16:38,520 --> 01:16:41,040 Shortly after I met Leigh, 1464 01:16:41,040 --> 01:16:45,040 we were going down to visit Paul and Linda McCartney 1465 01:16:45,040 --> 01:16:47,640 and the kids in their place in the country, 1466 01:16:47,640 --> 01:16:49,760 and had a lovely evening. 1467 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:54,040 And then, in the morning, we got up and we came down for breakfast 1468 01:16:54,040 --> 01:16:59,280 and Paul was cooking us a very delicious vegetarian breakfast, 1469 01:16:59,280 --> 01:17:03,840 and then he sat down and he picked up a guitar. 1470 01:17:03,840 --> 01:17:06,040 Of course, he has a guitar in every room. 1471 01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:08,280 And he said, "Remember this one, Leigh?" 1472 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:10,280 MUSIC: Blackbird by The Beatles 1473 01:17:12,320 --> 01:17:15,520 # Blackbird singing in the dead of night 1474 01:17:17,200 --> 01:17:20,760 # Take these broken wings and learn to fly 1475 01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:24,520 # All your life 1476 01:17:26,560 --> 01:17:31,400 # You were only waiting for this moment to be free 1477 01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:37,400 # You were only waiting for this moment to be free 1478 01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:42,520 # You were only waiting for this moment to be free. # 1479 01:17:44,440 --> 01:17:48,040 Leigh said he'll never forget it. It was quite wonderful. 1480 01:17:50,280 --> 01:17:53,920 I think that the thing about Twiggy's humour, 1481 01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,280 which is actually a little similar to my own, 1482 01:17:57,280 --> 01:18:00,400 is that she's self-deprecating. 1483 01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:03,360 ..about this whole event. You love the Duke, right? 1484 01:18:03,360 --> 01:18:04,920 Who wouldn't? 1485 01:18:04,920 --> 01:18:07,280 He's solid and dependable. 1486 01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:10,080 And, best of all, his mother's dead. 1487 01:18:10,080 --> 01:18:12,040 LAUGHTER 1488 01:18:12,040 --> 01:18:13,520 Enough said. 1489 01:18:14,520 --> 01:18:19,960 And she just has a kind of energy that lends itself to comedy. 1490 01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:23,040 You know, cos there's this thing that models are thick and stupid 1491 01:18:23,040 --> 01:18:26,760 and all they can do is, you know... Which isn't... There may be some. 1492 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,960 Yeah. 1493 01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,960 LAUGHTER 1494 01:18:29,960 --> 01:18:32,360 But I know thick and stupid people... No! 1495 01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,680 ..in other walks of life. That's true. 1496 01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,760 LAUGHTER 1497 01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:36,760 Right? 1498 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,800 It's true. 1499 01:18:36,760 --> 01:18:38,800 APPLAUSE 1500 01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,040 It's hard going into a show which is already established. 1501 01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,680 And you're coming in probably as yourself. 1502 01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,520 Usually a slightly heightened version of yourself. 1503 01:18:47,520 --> 01:18:48,960 Botox? No, Parralox. 1504 01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,240 Well, it does exactly what it says on the tin. 1505 01:18:52,240 --> 01:18:54,120 But it was divine having Twiggs on. 1506 01:18:54,120 --> 01:18:57,600 A change of tack here, a change of image. You know, radical gay pride. 1507 01:18:57,600 --> 01:19:00,320 Fists across America, darling. Because you are a gay icon. 1508 01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:01,840 Oh, am I? 1509 01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,440 Damon! Damon! Coming! Twiggy. 1510 01:19:09,280 --> 01:19:12,280 I got a call from Italian Vogue 1511 01:19:12,280 --> 01:19:17,360 and Steven Meisel, who is, I think, one of the great photographers, 1512 01:19:17,360 --> 01:19:20,120 wanted to do a ten-page spread for Italian Vogue, 1513 01:19:20,120 --> 01:19:23,200 a modelling spread, which was, you know, 1514 01:19:23,200 --> 01:19:25,520 almost too much to turn down. 1515 01:19:25,520 --> 01:19:28,040 MUSIC: Connection by Elastica 1516 01:19:29,760 --> 01:19:32,680 But I think it's a bit like riding a bike, quite honestly. 1517 01:19:32,680 --> 01:19:35,040 I just fell into the old habits, I suppose. 1518 01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,600 My first impressions of Kate before I met her 1519 01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:43,440 was how gorgeous she was, 1520 01:19:43,440 --> 01:19:47,040 and she kind of reminded me of me when I was very young. 1521 01:19:47,040 --> 01:19:51,760 And we're kind of, for models, we're very similar body shape. 1522 01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:55,760 And, actually, when I was a judge on America's Next Top Model, 1523 01:19:55,760 --> 01:20:00,080 sometimes girls would come on and if they happened to be small, 1524 01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:02,520 you know, one of the judges would say, 1525 01:20:02,520 --> 01:20:05,760 "Probably won't work because you're too small." 1526 01:20:05,760 --> 01:20:07,840 So I'd kind of put up my hand and say, 1527 01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:11,760 "Excuse me, I didn't do too badly and Kate Moss didn't do too badly." 1528 01:20:11,760 --> 01:20:13,600 # Connection is made... # 1529 01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:19,680 I did the range for M&S for a few years, which I loved doing. 1530 01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:23,720 When I joined Marks & Spencer, it was in a pretty shabby state. 1531 01:20:23,720 --> 01:20:26,840 Customers had pretty much fallen out of love with the fashion. 1532 01:20:28,040 --> 01:20:31,480 Twiggy was recognised by the more mature audience. 1533 01:20:31,480 --> 01:20:33,920 She reminded the customers of their youth - 1534 01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:36,520 of a time when anything seemed possible. 1535 01:20:36,520 --> 01:20:39,280 And every time I wore something in the commercials, 1536 01:20:39,280 --> 01:20:42,360 they would tell me that it would sell very well, 1537 01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:46,520 so I said, "Well, let me do a range," and I loved that. 1538 01:20:46,520 --> 01:20:49,760 I think we did some really nice clothes. 1539 01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:52,760 I remember Stuart Rose and I driving back from a city presentation, 1540 01:20:52,760 --> 01:20:55,280 there was an Evening Standard news vendor, 1541 01:20:55,280 --> 01:20:58,840 and the headline just said simply, "Twiggy saves M&S". 1542 01:20:58,840 --> 01:21:01,000 And that just says it all. 1543 01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:03,040 What comes next, Twiggy? 1544 01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:05,440 Through lovely Barbara Hulanicki, 1545 01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:08,680 she mentioned me to her friend Mindy Grossman, 1546 01:21:08,680 --> 01:21:14,040 who was running HSN, which is a huge shopping channel in America. 1547 01:21:14,040 --> 01:21:17,600 I had lunch with Twiggy and her husband Leigh 1548 01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:20,760 and, by the end of lunch, I literally looked at her 1549 01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:25,600 and I said, "OK, we need to launch Twiggy London." 1550 01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:32,960 Her ability to connect with women - all women - was so powerful. 1551 01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:35,840 The irony for me is that Twiggy represented youth 1552 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:39,600 and now she represents another stage in her life. 1553 01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:46,280 The designing part of my career has been very important to me, 1554 01:21:46,280 --> 01:21:48,760 and I've done many collections over the years 1555 01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,000 and will continue to do so. 1556 01:21:51,000 --> 01:21:53,360 Super relaxed. Just a demo. OK. 1557 01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:55,400 It's going to be... Relax, relax! 1558 01:21:55,400 --> 01:21:58,280 Before The Rain. Right, here we go, let's go for it. 1559 01:21:58,280 --> 01:22:01,280 She loves to work. She loves to be in the studio 1560 01:22:01,280 --> 01:22:04,440 recording an album and singing. Wakes up happy. 1561 01:22:04,440 --> 01:22:08,920 # I remember sunshine in your eyes 1562 01:22:11,280 --> 01:22:14,520 # But now I just see something 1563 01:22:14,520 --> 01:22:17,760 # That I don't recognise 1564 01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,760 # There's no running from... # 1565 01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:23,280 I think the fact that Twiggy is still, 1566 01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,520 after so many decades of doing photography 1567 01:22:26,520 --> 01:22:29,520 and acting and now music, 1568 01:22:29,520 --> 01:22:33,760 the fact that she's still working away at being in that world 1569 01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:37,360 is a real credit to her because it takes a lot 1570 01:22:37,360 --> 01:22:40,760 to want to be in that world for such a long time. 1571 01:22:40,760 --> 01:22:45,040 # Do you remember who we were before the rain? # 1572 01:22:46,040 --> 01:22:48,360 I'm still very fortunate that I, you know, 1573 01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:50,240 I get to do things which I love. 1574 01:22:50,240 --> 01:22:52,680 I wouldn't like to be sitting at home retired. 1575 01:22:52,680 --> 01:22:54,840 That wouldn't suit me at all. 1576 01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,040 # We both know that it's more 1577 01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:01,520 # Than just the weather that's to blame 1578 01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:03,040 # What a shame... # 1579 01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:04,680 Gorgeous. 1580 01:23:04,680 --> 01:23:07,960 I think Twiggy's career has evolved as she has. 1581 01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,000 Charlotte, darling. 1582 01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:11,800 Twiggy here. 1583 01:23:11,800 --> 01:23:16,280 She brings a different notion of what beauty can mean, 1584 01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,520 and it doesn't stop at 21. 1585 01:23:16,280 --> 01:23:19,520 SHE CHUCKLES 1586 01:23:19,520 --> 01:23:21,080 It keeps on going. 1587 01:23:21,080 --> 01:23:25,040 I was so flattered when the lovely Charlotte Tilbury 1588 01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:28,680 asked me to be in... Well, I've done two campaigns for her now, 1589 01:23:28,680 --> 01:23:31,720 along with some other gorgeous, lovely girlies. 1590 01:23:31,720 --> 01:23:34,520 When Twiggy, at her age, 1591 01:23:34,520 --> 01:23:38,200 gets such an incredible ambassadorship, 1592 01:23:38,200 --> 01:23:40,040 that changes the game. 1593 01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,760 I always say if you can see it, you can be it. 1594 01:23:42,760 --> 01:23:46,440 They say that you stay the age that you became successful. 1595 01:23:46,440 --> 01:23:47,920 She hasn't. 1596 01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:51,520 She's grown old beautifully and she's done so many other things. 1597 01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:55,040 But I'm always going to remember that image - 1598 01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:59,240 the first real supermodel that you could relate to. 1599 01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:05,600 I think that people like Twiggy remind women 1600 01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:09,120 that they can be themselves and be beautiful, 1601 01:24:09,120 --> 01:24:13,280 and how complex and different beauty can be. 1602 01:24:14,280 --> 01:24:16,600 For each person on this planet to look different 1603 01:24:16,600 --> 01:24:18,480 is a beautiful and wondrous thing, 1604 01:24:18,480 --> 01:24:21,280 whether that be about the way you look, the way you dress. 1605 01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:23,320 Your power is your individuality. 1606 01:24:26,520 --> 01:24:30,280 She embraces every sort of era of her life, 1607 01:24:30,280 --> 01:24:32,360 and I've learned that from her. 1608 01:24:32,360 --> 01:24:35,840 She still has the energy and curiosity 1609 01:24:35,840 --> 01:24:39,160 and ability to throw herself into so many different things at once. 1610 01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:41,840 But I think that's part of the reason for her longevity. 1611 01:24:42,840 --> 01:24:47,680 You can't really go too far or in too many different directions 1612 01:24:47,680 --> 01:24:49,880 without seeing her image. 1613 01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:52,760 When you see postcards, Audrey Hepburn, 1614 01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:55,440 Marilyn Monroe is always there. 1615 01:24:55,440 --> 01:24:59,040 Some people explode out of their time. 1616 01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:01,880 How do we ever know what that magic is? 1617 01:25:01,880 --> 01:25:03,760 She had it. 1618 01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:07,280 She epitomises an era that will never go away. 1619 01:25:07,280 --> 01:25:09,680 It will be treasured by us. 1620 01:25:09,680 --> 01:25:11,840 And I think she is a treasure. 1621 01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,120 She is someone that I think that people will always think of 1622 01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:18,160 as an icon - a true British icon. 1623 01:25:18,160 --> 01:25:21,040 She's a Dame. And now I'm a Dame. 1624 01:25:21,040 --> 01:25:23,760 I remember the day that I opened the letter... 1625 01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:25,960 Oh, I've dropped it. I've dropped my star. 1626 01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,560 ..because I had absolutely no warning. 1627 01:25:28,560 --> 01:25:32,120 I remember sitting down and I kept saying, "Oh, my God! Oh, my God!" 1628 01:25:32,120 --> 01:25:35,040 And Leigh kept saying, "What's the matter? What's the matter?" 1629 01:25:35,040 --> 01:25:37,200 I said, "No, no, no. It's good, it's good." 1630 01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,680 He said, "Congratulations. About time you got this. 1631 01:25:39,680 --> 01:25:42,280 "We're all thrilled for you." So that was nice. 1632 01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:44,840 She's just... She's who she is. 1633 01:25:44,840 --> 01:25:48,040 The success never altered her in any way. 1634 01:25:48,040 --> 01:25:51,280 I do believe she could wake up tomorrow and that would be it, 1635 01:25:51,280 --> 01:25:54,760 she'd say, "All right." You know? She'd just get back to living. 1636 01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:57,520 She's exceptional in that way, I think. 1637 01:25:57,520 --> 01:26:01,360 Being married to the lady that I'm married to 1638 01:26:01,360 --> 01:26:04,800 has enriched my life enormously. 1639 01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:06,760 THEY LAUGH 1640 01:26:07,920 --> 01:26:10,640 Right, so, into the camera... 1641 01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:13,760 ..erm, what do you think your legacy will be? 1642 01:26:13,760 --> 01:26:15,280 TWIGGY CHUCKLES 1643 01:26:15,280 --> 01:26:18,040 Erm, I think her legacy is... 1644 01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:21,400 ..you know, women are awesome cos they are. 1645 01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:22,840 Oh, God. 1646 01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:27,040 I just... Without... I don't want it to sound, like, sappy, 1647 01:26:27,040 --> 01:26:29,720 but I do love you, Mum, with all my heart. 1648 01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:37,440 MUSIC: Be My Baby by The Ronettes 1649 01:26:52,880 --> 01:26:55,120 People say Twiggy looks like a boy. 1650 01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:57,440 She doesn't. She's just adorable. 1651 01:26:57,440 --> 01:26:59,040 Twig. Yeah? 1652 01:26:59,040 --> 01:27:00,520 We've seen... 1653 01:27:01,520 --> 01:27:04,840 Really, we've seen lots and lots of very good photographs of you. 1654 01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:08,560 We've never seen you move. Would you dance for us? All right. 1655 01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,280 # So won't you say you love me? 1656 01:27:13,280 --> 01:27:17,280 # I'll make you so proud of me 1657 01:27:17,280 --> 01:27:20,760 # We'll make them turn their heads 1658 01:27:20,760 --> 01:27:23,040 # Every place we go 1659 01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:27,760 # So won't you please Be my, be my baby 1660 01:27:27,760 --> 01:27:31,520 # Be my little baby My one and only baby 1661 01:27:31,520 --> 01:27:35,520 # Say you'll be my darling Be my, be my baby 1662 01:27:35,520 --> 01:27:40,040 # Be my baby now My one and only baby 1663 01:27:41,520 --> 01:27:44,920 # I'll make you happy, baby 1664 01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,520 # Just wait and see 1665 01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:52,520 # For every kiss you give me 1666 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:55,520 # I'll give you three 1667 01:27:56,520 --> 01:28:00,520 # Oh, since the day I saw you 1668 01:28:00,520 --> 01:28:04,040 # I have been waiting for you 1669 01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:07,440 # You know I will adore you 1670 01:28:07,440 --> 01:28:10,040 # Till eternity 1671 01:28:10,040 --> 01:28:12,760 # So won't you please... #