1 00:00:06,798 --> 00:00:08,338 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 2 00:00:08,383 --> 00:00:10,143 -Casey Anthony held her head high 3 00:00:10,176 --> 00:00:11,846 after being arrested yesterday, 4 00:00:11,886 --> 00:00:15,016 charged with child neglect and lying to the authorities. 5 00:00:15,056 --> 00:00:18,436 -We all believed that we arrested the right person. 6 00:00:19,561 --> 00:00:21,441 -What?! 7 00:00:21,479 --> 00:00:23,609 -She has completely removed herself 8 00:00:23,648 --> 00:00:27,278 from any normal emotion of a mother missing a child. 9 00:00:27,318 --> 00:00:29,528 And that is the most disturbing part for me. 10 00:00:29,571 --> 00:00:30,741 [ Horn honks ] 11 00:00:30,780 --> 00:00:32,740 -There was a lot of anger at Casey Anthony. 12 00:00:32,782 --> 00:00:35,542 How could she not call the police for 30 days? 13 00:00:35,577 --> 00:00:37,697 -Soft sticks. 14 00:00:37,746 --> 00:00:39,076 -Why talk to me now? 15 00:00:39,122 --> 00:00:42,132 -I just need someone to be willing to listen. 16 00:00:42,167 --> 00:00:43,707 Growing up...telling the truth 17 00:00:43,752 --> 00:00:46,052 to anyone in the outside world didn't happen. 18 00:00:46,087 --> 00:00:47,417 When I was 8 years old, 19 00:00:47,464 --> 00:00:49,674 my father started to come into my room at night. 20 00:00:49,716 --> 00:00:50,966 I can't tell Mommy. 21 00:00:51,009 --> 00:00:53,219 She'll get mad at me. That's what I was told. 22 00:00:53,261 --> 00:00:55,261 Protecting the family at all costs. 23 00:00:55,305 --> 00:00:57,845 That was the only goal. 24 00:00:57,891 --> 00:01:00,191 I admitted that I lied. 25 00:01:00,226 --> 00:01:02,226 But no one asked why. 26 00:01:02,270 --> 00:01:04,060 -Why were you lying to the cops? 27 00:01:04,105 --> 00:01:05,975 -I was doing what I was told. 28 00:01:06,024 --> 00:01:08,154 -By? -My father. 29 00:01:12,572 --> 00:01:21,082 ** 30 00:01:21,122 --> 00:01:29,762 ** 31 00:01:29,798 --> 00:01:36,598 ** 32 00:01:46,856 --> 00:01:48,316 [ Exhales forcefully ] 33 00:02:01,955 --> 00:02:09,665 ** 34 00:02:09,713 --> 00:02:17,223 ** 35 00:02:17,262 --> 00:02:24,982 ** 36 00:02:25,020 --> 00:02:32,530 ** 37 00:02:32,569 --> 00:02:33,899 -Despite intense searches, 38 00:02:33,945 --> 00:02:36,525 there's been no sign of Caylee since June. 39 00:02:36,573 --> 00:02:38,703 Officials have said they believe the girl is dead, 40 00:02:38,742 --> 00:02:41,662 although, the child's body hasn't been found. 41 00:02:41,703 --> 00:02:44,333 Her mother faces charges, including first-degree murder 42 00:02:44,372 --> 00:02:46,082 and lying to investigators. 43 00:02:46,124 --> 00:02:48,214 -The young woman remains behind bars. 44 00:02:48,251 --> 00:02:49,841 Casey Anthony's attorney says 45 00:02:49,878 --> 00:02:52,508 the mother believes Caylee is still alive. 46 00:02:52,547 --> 00:02:53,877 -The whole United States 47 00:02:53,923 --> 00:02:55,383 is looking for our Caylee. 48 00:02:55,425 --> 00:02:57,965 Are we going to be able to find her, do you think? 49 00:02:58,011 --> 00:03:00,351 -I hope we can, Mom. 50 00:03:00,388 --> 00:03:02,928 [ Crying ] I believed that she was still okay. 51 00:03:06,061 --> 00:03:09,021 So, I know you want to ask me about the last day she was here, 52 00:03:09,064 --> 00:03:12,364 the last day that I saw her, the day she disappeared. 53 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,940 [ Sniffles ] 54 00:03:14,986 --> 00:03:17,656 I know that's what it's all leading up to. 55 00:03:19,783 --> 00:03:21,623 [ Crying ] 56 00:03:30,585 --> 00:03:32,295 [ Sniffles ] I can tell you about what 57 00:03:32,337 --> 00:03:33,917 I remember from the morning. 58 00:03:36,007 --> 00:03:37,177 It's not much. 59 00:03:37,217 --> 00:03:42,097 ** 60 00:03:42,138 --> 00:03:46,808 ** 61 00:03:46,851 --> 00:03:50,231 The night before was a normal night. 62 00:03:50,271 --> 00:03:52,731 Got Caylee to bed. 63 00:03:52,774 --> 00:03:55,824 Woke up the next morning, got her breakfast. 64 00:03:56,778 --> 00:04:00,568 I wasn't feeling that great and I wanted to lay down. 65 00:04:02,242 --> 00:04:05,082 Put on the TV. The door was closed. 66 00:04:05,120 --> 00:04:06,330 [ Sniffles ] 67 00:04:06,371 --> 00:04:08,001 And I had her lay in bed with me. 68 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:11,289 I've been a light sleeper my entire life. 69 00:04:11,334 --> 00:04:12,544 Because I'm used to someone 70 00:04:12,585 --> 00:04:14,585 opening the door while I'm asleep. 71 00:04:17,257 --> 00:04:19,257 I'm used to being on alert, 72 00:04:19,300 --> 00:04:22,050 especially with my child next to me. 73 00:04:22,929 --> 00:04:25,929 It's part of the reason she slept in bed with me so much, 74 00:04:25,974 --> 00:04:28,984 in my bed, with pillows stuffed against the wall, 75 00:04:29,019 --> 00:04:31,019 with the bed up against it so she couldn't fall, 76 00:04:31,062 --> 00:04:32,562 so the bed couldn't move. 77 00:04:33,356 --> 00:04:36,436 -Were the doors unlocked to your bedroom? 78 00:04:36,484 --> 00:04:39,034 -I thought that I had locked it, but maybe not. 79 00:04:39,070 --> 00:04:41,360 It's possible that the door was unlocked. 80 00:04:42,574 --> 00:04:44,334 I know my dad was at home. 81 00:04:49,456 --> 00:04:51,326 But I fell asleep. 82 00:04:52,417 --> 00:04:54,037 And was asleep for a while. 83 00:04:56,004 --> 00:04:59,844 And I was awoken by him shaking me... 84 00:05:00,925 --> 00:05:03,425 ...and asking me where Caylee was, which didn't make sense 85 00:05:03,470 --> 00:05:06,100 because I look next to me and that's where she was. 86 00:05:06,139 --> 00:05:07,809 TV was still on. 87 00:05:10,101 --> 00:05:12,901 She would never even leave my room without telling me, 88 00:05:12,937 --> 00:05:14,897 even if she had to go to the bathroom. 89 00:05:16,441 --> 00:05:18,741 She'd never just leave me there. 90 00:05:20,195 --> 00:05:21,445 She knew she wasn't allowed 91 00:05:21,488 --> 00:05:24,028 to just be in the house by herself. 92 00:05:24,074 --> 00:05:27,084 And I immediately start looking around the house -- 93 00:05:27,118 --> 00:05:29,698 her room, what used to be my brother's room, 94 00:05:29,746 --> 00:05:32,916 in the bathroom, my parents' room, the garage. 95 00:05:32,957 --> 00:05:37,497 I go outside and I'm looking to see where she could be. 96 00:05:37,545 --> 00:05:38,915 She's not in her playhouse. 97 00:05:38,963 --> 00:05:41,093 Where is she? Why is she not here? 98 00:05:41,132 --> 00:05:44,012 Didn't make sense. Still doesn't make sense. 99 00:05:44,052 --> 00:05:47,062 She'd never done that before. Why that day? 100 00:05:49,307 --> 00:05:50,727 -Did you look inside the pool? 101 00:05:51,559 --> 00:05:53,189 -Didn't have to. 102 00:05:53,228 --> 00:05:54,728 By the time I came back around 103 00:05:54,771 --> 00:05:56,691 from the left side of the house, 104 00:05:56,731 --> 00:05:58,481 I came back around towards the front porch, 105 00:05:58,525 --> 00:06:00,485 he's standing there with her. 106 00:06:03,238 --> 00:06:04,408 She's soaking wet. 107 00:06:04,447 --> 00:06:12,457 ** 108 00:06:12,497 --> 00:06:13,917 [ Sighs ] 109 00:06:15,417 --> 00:06:18,917 I can see him standing there with her in his arms. 110 00:06:20,755 --> 00:06:22,875 And hand her to me. 111 00:06:22,924 --> 00:06:26,224 And telling me that it's my fault, 112 00:06:26,261 --> 00:06:27,851 that I did that. 113 00:06:29,764 --> 00:06:31,184 That I caused that. 114 00:06:34,602 --> 00:06:37,482 And I just collapsed with her in my arms. 115 00:06:41,192 --> 00:06:42,782 -What did she feel like? 116 00:06:44,029 --> 00:06:45,279 -She was heavy. 117 00:06:45,321 --> 00:06:46,491 She was cold. 118 00:06:46,531 --> 00:06:50,371 ** 119 00:06:50,410 --> 00:06:52,040 [ Sighs ] 120 00:06:52,078 --> 00:06:56,248 As I'm sitting there with her on my lap, 121 00:06:56,291 --> 00:06:57,791 I was hysterical. 122 00:06:59,878 --> 00:07:02,458 Just staring at her, not knowing what to do. 123 00:07:03,923 --> 00:07:07,013 He takes her from me and he immediately softens his tone 124 00:07:07,052 --> 00:07:08,852 and tells me it's going to be okay. 125 00:07:10,847 --> 00:07:12,887 That she was going to be okay. 126 00:07:15,935 --> 00:07:17,765 That's what he said to me. 127 00:07:19,689 --> 00:07:22,819 [ Sniffles ] I wanted to believe him. 128 00:07:23,693 --> 00:07:25,493 Because I wanted her to be okay. 129 00:07:25,528 --> 00:07:33,328 ** 130 00:07:33,370 --> 00:07:36,540 ** 131 00:07:36,581 --> 00:07:38,501 And I don't know how long I sat outside. 132 00:07:38,541 --> 00:07:40,211 I don't know where he went. 133 00:07:41,836 --> 00:07:44,086 He took her from me and he walked away. 134 00:07:45,006 --> 00:07:46,876 I know he went back in through the screen doors 135 00:07:46,925 --> 00:07:48,795 and he went back into the house. 136 00:07:51,012 --> 00:07:55,182 But I don't know where she went and I don't know what he did. 137 00:07:57,686 --> 00:08:00,306 I just want her back. 138 00:08:00,355 --> 00:08:03,435 [ Sniffles ] 139 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:05,993 It's all I've wanted this entire time. 140 00:08:06,027 --> 00:08:13,367 ** 141 00:08:13,410 --> 00:08:16,000 ** 142 00:08:16,037 --> 00:08:18,157 I can tell you about how numb I felt 143 00:08:18,206 --> 00:08:20,996 and how broken I felt, and confused, 144 00:08:21,042 --> 00:08:22,212 but also hopeful 145 00:08:22,252 --> 00:08:24,842 because I believed that she was still okay. 146 00:08:26,006 --> 00:08:27,546 And I know people are going to question, 147 00:08:27,590 --> 00:08:28,840 well, why didn't I make a phone call, 148 00:08:28,883 --> 00:08:31,933 why didn't I call 911, 149 00:08:31,970 --> 00:08:35,600 why did I even wait to tell my mom anything? 150 00:08:35,640 --> 00:08:37,560 But I didn't tell her anything. 151 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,850 Why lie? 152 00:08:39,894 --> 00:08:43,614 Why not do a hundred things, a hundred different ways? 153 00:08:45,483 --> 00:08:48,153 I have to live with that, 154 00:08:48,194 --> 00:08:50,914 knowing that I failed to protect my child. 155 00:08:52,866 --> 00:08:55,366 And that I kept failing her, even after that. 156 00:08:56,411 --> 00:08:59,871 I failed her again and again and again 157 00:08:59,914 --> 00:09:04,714 because I still protected the person who hurt me. 158 00:09:04,753 --> 00:09:10,763 ** 159 00:09:10,800 --> 00:09:13,600 It was like I was brainwashed. 160 00:09:13,636 --> 00:09:16,056 And it wasn't until much later 161 00:09:16,097 --> 00:09:19,177 that I started to really realize why. 162 00:09:19,225 --> 00:09:25,475 ** 163 00:09:25,523 --> 00:09:32,413 ** 164 00:09:32,447 --> 00:09:35,197 This is a living embodiment of hell for me. 165 00:09:36,034 --> 00:09:38,374 Yeah, this is not entirely one of those places I'd like 166 00:09:38,411 --> 00:09:41,921 to go back and try to walk back through memory lane. 167 00:09:43,166 --> 00:09:45,496 -How long were you in the Orange County Jail? 168 00:09:45,543 --> 00:09:46,803 -Three years. 169 00:09:46,836 --> 00:09:50,086 I was indicted on October 14th of 2008 170 00:09:50,131 --> 00:09:53,931 and I was released after the verdict, 171 00:09:53,968 --> 00:09:57,638 a few days after the verdict, in July of 2011. 172 00:09:58,682 --> 00:10:00,392 -What did you hear in the cell? 173 00:10:01,893 --> 00:10:03,733 -Screaming, yelling. 174 00:10:03,770 --> 00:10:05,480 It's never quiet. 175 00:10:05,522 --> 00:10:08,782 The doors are metal and they clink and they're loud. 176 00:10:08,817 --> 00:10:10,317 -What do you smell? 177 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,740 -Feces. 178 00:10:12,779 --> 00:10:14,109 Other people's body odor 179 00:10:14,155 --> 00:10:17,445 because it's a recycled air system. 180 00:10:17,492 --> 00:10:18,832 Pepper spray, if they had 181 00:10:18,868 --> 00:10:20,698 to pepper spray someone inside of the unit 182 00:10:20,745 --> 00:10:22,955 or sometimes even from the neighboring unit. 183 00:10:23,957 --> 00:10:26,207 I was waiting in jail, 184 00:10:26,251 --> 00:10:28,841 being accused of a crime that it didn't commit. 185 00:10:32,424 --> 00:10:36,184 [ Crying ] I'm remembering feeling alone 186 00:10:36,219 --> 00:10:37,469 and helpless 187 00:10:37,512 --> 00:10:40,722 and having literally no one in my corner. 188 00:10:40,765 --> 00:10:47,105 ** 189 00:10:47,147 --> 00:10:51,107 During that period of time, I needed someone to talk to. 190 00:10:51,151 --> 00:10:59,581 ** 191 00:10:59,617 --> 00:11:08,377 ** 192 00:11:08,418 --> 00:11:16,338 ** 193 00:11:16,384 --> 00:11:20,854 -Both of these boxes are from when I was in jail. 194 00:11:20,889 --> 00:11:23,099 I've never -- 195 00:11:23,141 --> 00:11:24,891 I've never gone through them. 196 00:11:28,021 --> 00:11:29,771 So, let's have a look-see. 197 00:11:33,443 --> 00:11:36,203 My name is Robyn McDonnell. 198 00:11:36,237 --> 00:11:39,237 I was indicted under the name Robyn Adams. 199 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:44,200 I came to meet Casey Anthony in the Orange County Jail 200 00:11:44,245 --> 00:11:47,825 after I was arrested for conspiracy 201 00:11:47,874 --> 00:11:49,964 to drug trafficking marijuana. 202 00:11:53,338 --> 00:11:56,218 When I was transported to Orange County Jail, 203 00:11:56,257 --> 00:11:58,337 I went into solitary confinement. 204 00:12:00,220 --> 00:12:04,180 You're locked down for 23 hours a day. 205 00:12:04,224 --> 00:12:07,564 It's a box. It's a shoe box. It's Tupperware. 206 00:12:07,602 --> 00:12:10,232 The lid only comes off when they take it off. 207 00:12:13,274 --> 00:12:17,114 Casey was put into solitary confinement as well. 208 00:12:20,115 --> 00:12:21,405 I kept seeing this young girl, 209 00:12:21,449 --> 00:12:24,409 short black hair, just really petite 210 00:12:24,452 --> 00:12:25,622 and, um... 211 00:12:25,662 --> 00:12:30,712 ** 212 00:12:30,750 --> 00:12:32,290 ...one time, I just waved to her. 213 00:12:32,335 --> 00:12:34,415 [ Laughs ] 214 00:12:34,462 --> 00:12:36,462 Just a little wave. 215 00:12:37,966 --> 00:12:40,296 Looks like these are pictures. Wow. 216 00:12:43,013 --> 00:12:44,603 These are all letters. 217 00:12:45,181 --> 00:12:47,141 I saved everyone's letters. 218 00:12:49,310 --> 00:12:53,060 One day, Casey used sign language 219 00:12:53,106 --> 00:12:58,146 to tell me that she wrote to me and put it in a book 220 00:12:58,194 --> 00:13:00,414 and we started writing back and forth. 221 00:13:00,447 --> 00:13:04,617 We started to get to know each other through letters. 222 00:13:04,659 --> 00:13:06,159 [ Chuckles ] 223 00:13:07,037 --> 00:13:09,617 It's her handwriting. [ Laughs ] 224 00:13:09,664 --> 00:13:11,124 It says, "Cookie." 225 00:13:12,125 --> 00:13:14,665 She called me Cookie. 226 00:13:14,711 --> 00:13:16,301 "I'm an emotional wreck. 227 00:13:16,338 --> 00:13:19,468 I've gotten good at hiding how I feel with most people, 228 00:13:19,507 --> 00:13:21,967 but I can't with you. 229 00:13:22,010 --> 00:13:24,930 We have so very much in common, 230 00:13:24,971 --> 00:13:26,601 both the good and the bad. 231 00:13:26,639 --> 00:13:29,849 I know how it feels to be physically, emotionally, 232 00:13:29,893 --> 00:13:31,393 and mentally abused, 233 00:13:31,436 --> 00:13:34,726 and I also know how it feels to be sexually abused." 234 00:13:34,773 --> 00:13:40,153 ** 235 00:13:40,195 --> 00:13:43,315 -I think that I wrote to Robyn Adams 236 00:13:43,365 --> 00:13:45,525 and told her what had happened to me 237 00:13:45,575 --> 00:13:46,985 because I was really just starting 238 00:13:47,035 --> 00:13:50,155 to come to grips with what had happened. 239 00:13:50,205 --> 00:13:52,325 -"My own brother walking into my room at night 240 00:13:52,374 --> 00:13:54,504 and feeling my breasts while I slept." 241 00:13:54,542 --> 00:13:58,882 ** 242 00:13:58,922 --> 00:14:00,552 [ Sighs ] 243 00:14:02,884 --> 00:14:08,394 -I don't really remember Robyn's response to anything, but... 244 00:14:09,557 --> 00:14:12,187 ...it felt like there was actually someone who understood. 245 00:14:16,189 --> 00:14:17,399 -"Over the past few months, 246 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:19,860 I've been really having vivid dreams 247 00:14:19,901 --> 00:14:21,861 and it's obvious that they are dreams 248 00:14:21,903 --> 00:14:23,743 of things that have already happened. 249 00:14:23,780 --> 00:14:26,870 I think my dad used to do the same thing to me, 250 00:14:26,908 --> 00:14:28,448 but when I was much younger. 251 00:14:31,121 --> 00:14:34,621 I can see him in my room, exactly the way it was 252 00:14:34,666 --> 00:14:36,706 when I was in elementary school. 253 00:14:36,751 --> 00:14:38,591 And everything gets fuzzy. 254 00:14:38,628 --> 00:14:42,218 But I wake up feeling both sore and sick to my stomach, 255 00:14:42,257 --> 00:14:46,007 the way I used to feel growing up." 256 00:14:46,052 --> 00:14:49,182 -Long before I had ever been arrested, 257 00:14:49,222 --> 00:14:52,272 I had memories of the abuse... 258 00:14:52,934 --> 00:14:57,524 ...but it wasn't until I was isolated from my family in jail 259 00:14:57,564 --> 00:15:00,324 that I started to remember more of the details. 260 00:15:00,358 --> 00:15:03,738 I started to have very clear images and flashbacks, 261 00:15:03,778 --> 00:15:06,658 nightmares and seizures, 262 00:15:06,698 --> 00:15:09,118 all because of things that I was reliving 263 00:15:09,159 --> 00:15:10,659 from what happened with my father. 264 00:15:10,702 --> 00:15:17,332 ** 265 00:15:17,375 --> 00:15:19,785 Even with trying to suppress those feelings 266 00:15:19,836 --> 00:15:21,416 and those memories, 267 00:15:21,463 --> 00:15:24,133 I was remembering very specific details. 268 00:15:25,759 --> 00:15:27,759 It wouldn't take much for me to close my eyes 269 00:15:27,802 --> 00:15:30,972 and to hear the sound of my door opening 270 00:15:31,014 --> 00:15:33,434 in the middle of the night. 271 00:15:33,475 --> 00:15:35,135 I'm just a kid laying in my bed 272 00:15:35,185 --> 00:15:37,765 and it was a white daybed with white eyelet bedding. 273 00:15:37,812 --> 00:15:40,192 Everything was white. 274 00:15:44,235 --> 00:15:46,355 And I could smell my father's cologne 275 00:15:46,404 --> 00:15:48,824 before I even opened my eyes. 276 00:15:48,865 --> 00:15:50,945 That cologne. Halston Z-14. 277 00:15:50,992 --> 00:15:56,082 ** 278 00:15:56,122 --> 00:15:58,292 And I could feel him as he 279 00:15:58,333 --> 00:16:00,633 kind of slid me over in my daybed. 280 00:16:03,338 --> 00:16:06,088 And slid himself underneath the covers. 281 00:16:07,425 --> 00:16:11,175 I'm still laying there, acting like I'm asleep. 282 00:16:14,140 --> 00:16:15,640 And he starts to touch me. 283 00:16:16,559 --> 00:16:19,309 Slowly move my hair off of my neck. 284 00:16:21,147 --> 00:16:22,317 [ Exhales forcefully ] 285 00:16:22,357 --> 00:16:24,027 Run his hands down my back... 286 00:16:24,818 --> 00:16:26,238 ...underneath my shirt. 287 00:16:27,987 --> 00:16:30,527 I remember the first time he put his hands down my pants. 288 00:16:31,866 --> 00:16:35,326 Slid from the back, first, and then went around the front. 289 00:16:38,581 --> 00:16:42,171 I was being told that I was safe, that I was okay. 290 00:16:43,128 --> 00:16:44,878 So hard when you're being told, you know, 291 00:16:44,921 --> 00:16:46,171 "This is that special time. 292 00:16:46,214 --> 00:16:47,804 You're Daddy's special little girl." 293 00:16:49,968 --> 00:16:51,548 And talking to you so gently 294 00:16:51,594 --> 00:16:54,764 and starting off being so kind and so nice. 295 00:16:54,806 --> 00:16:56,136 God forbid I fought back. 296 00:16:56,182 --> 00:16:58,102 A few times I do remember trying to fight back. 297 00:16:58,143 --> 00:16:59,893 I was never able to push him off of me. 298 00:16:59,936 --> 00:17:01,396 Pillow goes over my face. 299 00:17:02,981 --> 00:17:05,111 -What do you mean by "pillow goes over my face"? 300 00:17:05,150 --> 00:17:07,150 -He smothered me several times. 301 00:17:07,193 --> 00:17:10,323 -Smothered you so you would pass out? 302 00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:12,203 -Several times. 303 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:14,620 If I asked for it not to happen. 304 00:17:15,410 --> 00:17:17,870 "Not tonight, please. Not tonight. 305 00:17:17,912 --> 00:17:19,412 I just want to go to sleep." 306 00:17:20,248 --> 00:17:24,498 Wake up the next morning, or even hours later, 307 00:17:24,544 --> 00:17:28,674 knowing that it had happened again. 308 00:17:30,467 --> 00:17:33,887 I was forced to grow up so quickly. 309 00:17:33,928 --> 00:17:36,008 I was no longer allowed to be a little girl. 310 00:17:36,806 --> 00:17:38,596 Could be a little girl sometimes. 311 00:17:39,934 --> 00:17:43,154 But at night, I had to be Daddy's special little girl. 312 00:17:48,068 --> 00:17:49,858 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 313 00:17:49,903 --> 00:17:51,453 -So, at that time, you're talking 314 00:17:51,488 --> 00:17:53,368 to Robyn Adams in the jail? 315 00:17:53,406 --> 00:17:55,986 -Yes. -Had you told your defense team 316 00:17:56,034 --> 00:17:57,834 about the abuse? -No. 317 00:18:00,163 --> 00:18:02,333 It was still really hard to talk about the abuse. 318 00:18:03,166 --> 00:18:07,836 There was so much anger and grief and sadness and shame. 319 00:18:08,922 --> 00:18:12,222 So, I hadn't talked to my team about it yet. 320 00:18:12,258 --> 00:18:14,588 I hadn't said anything to them. 321 00:18:17,097 --> 00:18:22,057 -The media was portraying Casey as this young mother 322 00:18:22,102 --> 00:18:26,482 who was out partying for 30 days while her daughter was missing. 323 00:18:26,523 --> 00:18:28,483 How could that possibly happen? 324 00:18:29,818 --> 00:18:32,608 -Not once has she showed any remorse for her child. 325 00:18:32,654 --> 00:18:35,664 -To go to the nightclubs and dirty dance 326 00:18:35,699 --> 00:18:38,989 with anybody and everybody and then just lies, 327 00:18:39,035 --> 00:18:40,245 just mind-boggling. 328 00:18:40,286 --> 00:18:43,826 -It is the burden of Jose Baez on the defense 329 00:18:43,873 --> 00:18:47,543 to come up with some logical, reasonable explanation, 330 00:18:47,585 --> 00:18:49,665 you know, for her bizarre behavior. 331 00:18:49,713 --> 00:18:51,723 Why did she wait 31 days? 332 00:18:53,174 --> 00:18:55,684 -Part of my role was putting together the puzzle 333 00:18:55,719 --> 00:18:58,719 to bring understanding to Casey's life. 334 00:19:02,976 --> 00:19:07,146 I started working with Casey in July of 2009. 335 00:19:08,732 --> 00:19:12,652 At minimum, we would spend two hours together each visit 336 00:19:12,694 --> 00:19:16,414 and we are, and were, unpacking a lot. 337 00:19:17,115 --> 00:19:18,825 -During the time that I was in jail, 338 00:19:18,867 --> 00:19:21,697 I remember talking to Jeanene about a lot of things. 339 00:19:23,079 --> 00:19:28,589 It was a very slow process because my guard had been up. 340 00:19:30,378 --> 00:19:33,088 But Jeanene was so disarming. 341 00:19:33,131 --> 00:19:37,801 She allowed me to see her and it made it easier for me 342 00:19:37,844 --> 00:19:42,564 to at least start to open up a little bit more 343 00:19:42,599 --> 00:19:44,099 and let my guard down a little bit. 344 00:19:46,686 --> 00:19:48,606 -In one of the interviews, 345 00:19:48,646 --> 00:19:52,526 Casey shared with me that her dad had abused her. 346 00:19:54,444 --> 00:19:57,324 Everything made sense. 347 00:19:57,364 --> 00:19:59,284 I mean, 348 00:19:59,324 --> 00:20:04,164 I'm a survivor of childhood sexual abuse as well, so. 349 00:20:05,497 --> 00:20:08,457 In that moment, I understood her. 350 00:20:10,001 --> 00:20:13,421 When you've been a victim of sexual abuse, 351 00:20:13,463 --> 00:20:17,093 you pretend that nothing is wrong. 352 00:20:18,301 --> 00:20:21,971 It's the separation of the mind from the actions, right? 353 00:20:22,847 --> 00:20:25,057 That's how Casey can show up, 354 00:20:25,100 --> 00:20:27,850 as if she had no troubles in the world, 355 00:20:27,894 --> 00:20:33,324 during the 31 days where she's lost her baby, Caylee. 356 00:20:33,358 --> 00:20:39,948 ** 357 00:20:39,989 --> 00:20:41,319 Finding evidence, 358 00:20:41,366 --> 00:20:45,076 which is part of my job, as a mitigation specialist, 359 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:48,370 any evidence of abuse is very difficult, 360 00:20:48,415 --> 00:20:50,245 especially with the passing of time. 361 00:20:51,292 --> 00:20:56,972 But Casey did tell people about being abused, 362 00:20:57,007 --> 00:20:58,717 even before any of this happened. 363 00:20:58,758 --> 00:21:00,138 -Good afternoon, Mr. Grund. 364 00:21:00,176 --> 00:21:01,466 -Good afternoon. 365 00:21:01,511 --> 00:21:03,471 -Jesse was her fiancé. 366 00:21:03,513 --> 00:21:06,313 She trusted Jesse and so 367 00:21:06,349 --> 00:21:08,809 she did disclose to him 368 00:21:08,852 --> 00:21:11,352 about being abused by her brother. 369 00:21:11,396 --> 00:21:13,476 It's something that was shared, 370 00:21:13,523 --> 00:21:17,653 even before Caylee passed in 2008. 371 00:21:18,862 --> 00:21:21,952 -She told me, at one point in recent years, 372 00:21:21,990 --> 00:21:23,620 that she woke up one night 373 00:21:23,658 --> 00:21:25,368 with Lee standing over her in bed, 374 00:21:25,410 --> 00:21:26,660 staring at her sleeping. 375 00:21:26,703 --> 00:21:29,003 And, in another instance, 376 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:31,249 was groping her in the middle of the night. 377 00:21:32,250 --> 00:21:36,000 -Casey telling Jesse about being abused by her brother, 378 00:21:36,046 --> 00:21:39,256 it doesn't mean that she wasn't abused by her father. 379 00:21:39,299 --> 00:21:42,549 It wouldn't be surprising that she would test the waters. 380 00:21:42,594 --> 00:21:44,014 It's, for whatever reason, 381 00:21:44,054 --> 00:21:46,894 a little bit easier to say, "Oh, my brother." 382 00:21:46,931 --> 00:21:49,811 I think the abuse by her father was a much bigger deal. 383 00:21:51,394 --> 00:21:54,024 -It was always easier to talk about the abuse with my brother. 384 00:21:54,064 --> 00:21:55,694 Because I had already forgiven him 385 00:21:55,732 --> 00:21:57,982 and moved past so much of it, 386 00:21:58,026 --> 00:22:00,066 it made it easier for me to talk about. 387 00:22:03,490 --> 00:22:07,160 Years later, I had told my mom, 388 00:22:07,202 --> 00:22:09,042 while we're sitting on the floor in Caylee's room 389 00:22:09,079 --> 00:22:10,869 and Caylee is just an infant. 390 00:22:11,998 --> 00:22:15,588 And I finally gained the courage to tell her. 391 00:22:16,628 --> 00:22:18,548 -About your brother? What did she say? 392 00:22:18,588 --> 00:22:20,128 -She called me a whore. 393 00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:22,593 Her exact words were, "So that's why you're a whore." 394 00:22:23,593 --> 00:22:25,013 -You feel angry about that? 395 00:22:25,053 --> 00:22:27,973 -I feel hurt. Disgusted. 396 00:22:29,432 --> 00:22:31,272 And, yeah, ashamed. 397 00:22:31,309 --> 00:22:32,849 Still. 398 00:22:33,728 --> 00:22:35,358 How was I going to tell her about... 399 00:22:36,398 --> 00:22:38,188 ...the things that were a thousand times worse 400 00:22:38,233 --> 00:22:39,613 that my father did? 401 00:22:39,651 --> 00:22:43,611 I had never told anyone about my father touching me. 402 00:22:45,615 --> 00:22:48,115 Of course I couldn't tell her. 403 00:22:49,452 --> 00:22:52,582 I didn't want anyone to know that I had been abused, 404 00:22:52,622 --> 00:22:54,252 but I had no choice. 405 00:22:54,749 --> 00:22:56,289 -We have been digging all day 406 00:22:56,334 --> 00:23:01,094 and News 13 continues to uncover new, explosive details 407 00:23:01,131 --> 00:23:03,841 in the hundreds of letters written between Casey Anthony 408 00:23:03,883 --> 00:23:06,143 and another inmate at the Orange County Jail. 409 00:23:08,221 --> 00:23:09,641 -In Florida law, 410 00:23:09,681 --> 00:23:12,931 any bit of evidence that had been collected in the case 411 00:23:12,976 --> 00:23:15,186 was released to the public. 412 00:23:15,228 --> 00:23:18,358 One of the times there was a document dump. 413 00:23:18,398 --> 00:23:19,728 -From a letter right here. 414 00:23:19,774 --> 00:23:21,824 -They were letters that Casey had written 415 00:23:21,860 --> 00:23:24,450 to another inmate in jail. 416 00:23:24,487 --> 00:23:26,197 And it was news for days. 417 00:23:26,239 --> 00:23:30,369 -She says her brother, Lee, began sexually abusing her 418 00:23:30,410 --> 00:23:31,950 when she was 12 years old. 419 00:23:31,995 --> 00:23:34,455 She also writes she thinks her dad 420 00:23:34,497 --> 00:23:36,827 also "used to do the same thing." 421 00:23:38,752 --> 00:23:41,132 -The trauma that she experienced, 422 00:23:41,171 --> 00:23:43,051 I feel like it was sort of glossed over. 423 00:23:43,089 --> 00:23:46,969 We didn't look at trauma the way we do now, 424 00:23:47,010 --> 00:23:48,850 so, it felt like it was a lie. 425 00:23:48,887 --> 00:23:50,597 -Where's Caylee?! 426 00:23:50,638 --> 00:23:51,808 [ Indistinct conversation ] 427 00:23:51,848 --> 00:23:53,428 -Yeah, where's Caylee at?! 428 00:23:53,475 --> 00:23:54,845 -Like my sign? 429 00:23:54,893 --> 00:23:57,483 -Everything was against her. 430 00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,150 The world was against her. 431 00:23:59,189 --> 00:24:01,269 The way she was being portrayed in the media. 432 00:24:02,692 --> 00:24:04,692 -At that point, Casey had not 433 00:24:04,736 --> 00:24:06,696 told anyone working on the team 434 00:24:06,738 --> 00:24:09,868 about the abuse, except for me. 435 00:24:09,908 --> 00:24:12,368 She had not told Jose. 436 00:24:12,410 --> 00:24:14,410 And so I said to Casey, 437 00:24:14,454 --> 00:24:17,254 "Be open and transparent, Casey," right? 438 00:24:18,249 --> 00:24:21,799 I helped the team identify psychologists 439 00:24:21,836 --> 00:24:26,216 who speak to grief, who would speak to PTSD. 440 00:24:26,257 --> 00:24:30,007 ** 441 00:24:30,053 --> 00:24:31,813 -Of all the doctors, 442 00:24:31,846 --> 00:24:34,766 Harry was the the easiest to talk to, Dr. Krop. 443 00:24:34,808 --> 00:24:37,438 He was the most disarming, I think. 444 00:24:37,477 --> 00:24:39,017 He the easiest delivery. 445 00:24:39,062 --> 00:24:41,272 There was no pressure of anything. 446 00:24:41,314 --> 00:24:42,984 -I'm Harry Krop. 447 00:24:43,024 --> 00:24:45,944 I saw Casey four times 448 00:24:45,985 --> 00:24:49,065 at the request of the attorneys on the case. 449 00:24:49,739 --> 00:24:51,659 Initially, I evaluated her 450 00:24:51,700 --> 00:24:55,080 to assess her psychological status. 451 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,370 Because of her pattern of deception, 452 00:24:59,416 --> 00:25:02,876 I had to ask myself, in this case, 453 00:25:02,919 --> 00:25:05,009 whether she was telling me the truth. 454 00:25:05,046 --> 00:25:06,876 The media portrayed her 455 00:25:06,923 --> 00:25:10,343 as a psychopath, a psychopathic liar. 456 00:25:10,385 --> 00:25:13,555 -I could see, with my experience, into her mind 457 00:25:13,596 --> 00:25:17,346 and I found her to be very narcissistic and a sociopath. 458 00:25:17,392 --> 00:25:20,272 -You said that you think she's a psychopath, right? 459 00:25:20,311 --> 00:25:22,731 -Absolutely. 460 00:25:22,772 --> 00:25:28,242 -The second appointment I had with Casey, I gave her the MMPI, 461 00:25:28,278 --> 00:25:30,948 which is a commonly used psychological test. 462 00:25:31,656 --> 00:25:35,076 There's actually scales for psychopathy on the MMPI. 463 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,079 There was no diagnosable psychiatric disorder 464 00:25:40,123 --> 00:25:43,593 or any diagnosable personality disorder, 465 00:25:43,626 --> 00:25:47,046 including being a psychopath, 466 00:25:47,088 --> 00:25:49,088 which I think the other psychologists 467 00:25:49,132 --> 00:25:51,892 and mental health professionals who evaluated her 468 00:25:51,926 --> 00:25:53,966 certainly also discovered. 469 00:25:58,266 --> 00:26:01,016 -There was no sign of psychosis. 470 00:26:01,061 --> 00:26:02,311 I mean, we could go down the list. 471 00:26:02,354 --> 00:26:04,984 There just wasn't any sign of anything. 472 00:26:05,023 --> 00:26:06,613 -Not a sociopath? 473 00:26:06,649 --> 00:26:08,899 -Not remotely. 474 00:26:08,943 --> 00:26:10,743 -I'm joined by Harry Krop. 475 00:26:10,779 --> 00:26:13,069 He is a forensic psychologist. 476 00:26:13,114 --> 00:26:14,954 Does she have what we call 477 00:26:14,991 --> 00:26:17,661 borderline traits or sociopathic traits? 478 00:26:17,702 --> 00:26:19,952 -No, she doesn't have those traits, either. 479 00:26:19,996 --> 00:26:21,616 -That's impossible! I can't believe that! 480 00:26:21,664 --> 00:26:23,004 Wait a minute, Doctor. I can't believe it. 481 00:26:23,041 --> 00:26:24,581 She's created a vortex. 482 00:26:24,626 --> 00:26:25,836 She's a chronic liar. 483 00:26:25,877 --> 00:26:27,127 She's engaging in criminal behavior. 484 00:26:27,170 --> 00:26:28,630 How is that possible? 485 00:26:28,672 --> 00:26:31,802 -We had a little bit of a combative back-and-forth 486 00:26:31,841 --> 00:26:33,471 when I was on that show. 487 00:26:33,510 --> 00:26:37,350 But bottom line, she didn't have those type of disorders. 488 00:26:38,682 --> 00:26:43,142 She indicated that her father sexually abused her 489 00:26:43,186 --> 00:26:45,186 extensively as a child. 490 00:26:45,855 --> 00:26:51,025 And I did believe that Casey was sexually abused, 491 00:26:51,069 --> 00:26:53,949 which is what the other psychologists heard. 492 00:26:53,988 --> 00:26:59,328 ** 493 00:26:59,369 --> 00:27:03,159 The testing shows these intrusive images 494 00:27:03,206 --> 00:27:05,246 that she has under stress 495 00:27:05,291 --> 00:27:07,791 or when she talks about the sexual abuse. 496 00:27:07,836 --> 00:27:09,246 She was fairly detailed. 497 00:27:09,295 --> 00:27:14,255 ** 498 00:27:15,927 --> 00:27:18,677 -And what about this allegation that George molested Casey? 499 00:27:18,722 --> 00:27:19,852 What did you think of that? 500 00:27:19,889 --> 00:27:22,349 -I don't think that's true. 501 00:27:22,392 --> 00:27:24,562 I think there have been a lot of things, you know, said 502 00:27:24,602 --> 00:27:27,362 that were just made up for whatever reason. 503 00:27:28,148 --> 00:27:30,778 We never found any evidence of that. 504 00:27:30,817 --> 00:27:32,027 There was never anything to suggest that, 505 00:27:32,068 --> 00:27:34,488 other than these letters from Casey. 506 00:27:34,529 --> 00:27:36,409 [ Scoffs ] Would you believe her, 507 00:27:36,448 --> 00:27:38,658 I mean, given the story that she's told? 508 00:27:38,700 --> 00:27:40,490 [ Birds chirping ] 509 00:27:42,746 --> 00:27:45,326 -Thirty-one days, no Caylee. 510 00:27:45,373 --> 00:27:48,633 No report to law enforcement that, "My daughter's missing." 511 00:27:48,668 --> 00:27:50,168 Like what the hell? 512 00:27:50,211 --> 00:27:51,461 I was like, "Where was Casey? 513 00:27:51,504 --> 00:27:53,304 Where was the mother of this child?" 514 00:27:55,759 --> 00:27:58,429 -What are you looking at there? 515 00:27:58,470 --> 00:28:00,470 -I guess to some, this would be 516 00:28:00,513 --> 00:28:03,143 a photograph of a grieving mother trying 517 00:28:03,183 --> 00:28:04,643 to find her missing daughter. 518 00:28:06,061 --> 00:28:07,481 [ Laughs ] 519 00:28:15,028 --> 00:28:16,318 [ Suspenseful music plays ] 520 00:28:16,363 --> 00:28:18,623 -Tell me about your behavior -- 521 00:28:18,656 --> 00:28:21,156 leaving the house and then the 31 days. 522 00:28:21,910 --> 00:28:25,540 The media and the public have used this, 523 00:28:25,580 --> 00:28:28,670 again and again, as a hammer to hammer you with. 524 00:28:28,708 --> 00:28:30,248 -Yeah. 525 00:28:30,293 --> 00:28:38,433 ** 526 00:28:38,468 --> 00:28:41,298 ** 527 00:28:41,346 --> 00:28:42,806 [ Emergency brake cranks ] 528 00:28:45,517 --> 00:28:49,647 This is the building where Tony Lazzaro, Clint House, 529 00:28:49,688 --> 00:28:53,068 and his other roommates used to live. 530 00:28:53,108 --> 00:28:55,858 Tony and I had been seeing each other a couple of months. 531 00:28:55,902 --> 00:28:58,202 The day my father took Caylee away, 532 00:28:58,238 --> 00:29:02,908 this is where I came after I left my house that afternoon. 533 00:29:02,951 --> 00:29:07,001 I think I stayed here about three weeks out of the 31 days. 534 00:29:11,084 --> 00:29:12,754 I just tried to... 535 00:29:14,004 --> 00:29:15,554 [ Sighs ] 536 00:29:15,588 --> 00:29:17,548 ...be as normal as I could around him 537 00:29:17,590 --> 00:29:19,090 and even around his roommates. 538 00:29:21,678 --> 00:29:25,678 That was part of the main instruction from my dad 539 00:29:25,724 --> 00:29:28,774 was just to be as normal as possible. 540 00:29:28,810 --> 00:29:32,520 -Nothing was out of the ordinary during the 31 days. 541 00:29:32,564 --> 00:29:35,574 She just seemed like her totally normal self. 542 00:29:39,863 --> 00:29:42,913 -I couldn't show that there was anything going on 543 00:29:42,949 --> 00:29:44,829 to anyone else. 544 00:29:44,868 --> 00:29:46,828 All of the photos that people see of me out 545 00:29:46,870 --> 00:29:48,830 during those 31 days, I wasn't out partying. 546 00:29:48,872 --> 00:29:51,372 You don't see drinks in my hand. 547 00:29:51,416 --> 00:29:53,336 I was there actually working. 548 00:29:53,376 --> 00:29:56,796 I was there helping Tony promote. 549 00:29:56,838 --> 00:29:59,338 -But you weren't going through the cycles of grief. 550 00:29:59,382 --> 00:30:01,842 -No. During the 31 days, 551 00:30:01,885 --> 00:30:04,675 I genuinely believed that Caylee was still alive. 552 00:30:04,721 --> 00:30:06,931 My father kept telling me she was okay. 553 00:30:09,726 --> 00:30:11,976 I just had to keep following his instructions. 554 00:30:14,397 --> 00:30:17,067 There were no threats. 555 00:30:17,108 --> 00:30:19,568 I just knew that I had to do what he wanted me to do, 556 00:30:19,611 --> 00:30:21,611 in the same reason that I knew that since the time 557 00:30:21,654 --> 00:30:24,204 I was 8 years old. 558 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,240 Just do what he wants. 559 00:30:26,284 --> 00:30:28,044 It worked before. Do it now. 560 00:30:28,078 --> 00:30:30,368 -So when you shut down, you became robotic. 561 00:30:30,413 --> 00:30:33,043 -I did what I needed to do to survive. 562 00:30:33,083 --> 00:30:34,633 People also don't know when you're crying 563 00:30:34,668 --> 00:30:37,418 in a bathroom alone, 564 00:30:37,462 --> 00:30:39,092 trying to pull yourself together. 565 00:30:41,591 --> 00:30:42,971 You can never see behind closed doors 566 00:30:43,009 --> 00:30:44,799 unless someone chooses to let you in. 567 00:30:44,844 --> 00:30:50,104 ** 568 00:30:50,141 --> 00:30:53,981 I was in contact with my father daily, 569 00:30:54,020 --> 00:30:56,770 but whether or not I saw him at the house 570 00:30:56,815 --> 00:30:58,525 or we talked on the phone... 571 00:30:58,566 --> 00:31:00,066 Check my cellphone records. 572 00:31:00,110 --> 00:31:01,320 The phone records -- 573 00:31:01,361 --> 00:31:04,111 my phone pings had me calling Hopespring Drive 574 00:31:04,155 --> 00:31:07,485 again and again and again when my mom was at work. 575 00:31:08,868 --> 00:31:11,198 -And what were you saying to him? 576 00:31:11,246 --> 00:31:13,666 -I just wanted answers. When am I going to see her? 577 00:31:13,707 --> 00:31:15,417 How much longer are we going to keep doing this? 578 00:31:15,458 --> 00:31:17,498 Is she okay? 579 00:31:17,544 --> 00:31:20,214 That I remember. 580 00:31:20,255 --> 00:31:23,215 -And what would he say? -He would tell me she was fine. 581 00:31:23,258 --> 00:31:26,298 "Just keep doing what I'm telling you to do. 582 00:31:26,344 --> 00:31:28,394 You guys will be reunited soon." 583 00:31:28,430 --> 00:31:29,810 That's what sticks with me. 584 00:31:29,848 --> 00:31:33,058 He told me at one point, we would be reunited soon. 585 00:31:35,937 --> 00:31:38,687 -Did he describe where Caylee was or what she was doing? 586 00:31:38,732 --> 00:31:41,692 -No. Wouldn't tell me anything. 587 00:31:41,735 --> 00:31:43,815 I would ask if he knew where she was, 588 00:31:43,862 --> 00:31:46,492 and he would just tell me she was safe. 589 00:31:48,742 --> 00:31:53,412 When you're physically afraid of another human being 590 00:31:53,455 --> 00:31:57,205 and you were conditioned to say and do 591 00:31:57,250 --> 00:32:01,840 what they wanted you to say and do, even as an adult, 592 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:05,840 you're still going to revert right back to it. 593 00:32:05,884 --> 00:32:08,264 -So you really believed he would have kidnapped her from you 594 00:32:08,303 --> 00:32:09,683 and put you through all of that? 595 00:32:09,721 --> 00:32:11,351 That made sense to you that he would do that? 596 00:32:11,389 --> 00:32:13,139 -At the time it did. 597 00:32:13,183 --> 00:32:14,643 -It just seems incredible. 598 00:32:14,684 --> 00:32:17,274 For 31 days, you're still in that space of... 599 00:32:17,312 --> 00:32:19,362 -I was still in that space even a couple of weeks later 600 00:32:19,397 --> 00:32:22,357 when I was in jail. 601 00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:23,860 Hopeful. 602 00:32:25,820 --> 00:32:28,660 -What's your gut telling you right now? 603 00:32:28,698 --> 00:32:31,828 -My gut's telling me that she's okay. 604 00:32:31,868 --> 00:32:35,658 -Okay. And your gut tells you that she's close or some-- 605 00:32:35,705 --> 00:32:37,705 She's -- She's hiding. 606 00:32:37,749 --> 00:32:39,169 -She's not far. 607 00:32:39,209 --> 00:32:41,379 I know in my heart, she's not far. 608 00:32:41,419 --> 00:32:43,759 I can feel it. -Okay. 609 00:32:46,383 --> 00:32:48,683 Okay. 610 00:32:48,718 --> 00:32:51,598 Alright. -Oh, God. 611 00:32:51,638 --> 00:32:54,018 My mom is asking me if I think Caylee's okay, 612 00:32:54,057 --> 00:32:57,727 and I tell her yes, but I'm looking at my father... 613 00:32:59,020 --> 00:33:02,480 ...because I wanted to believe it so bad. 614 00:33:02,524 --> 00:33:05,364 [ Crying ] 615 00:33:05,402 --> 00:33:07,362 I really wanted to believe him. 616 00:33:07,404 --> 00:33:09,534 Maybe that's the disassociation. 617 00:33:09,572 --> 00:33:12,122 Maybe that's the... 618 00:33:12,158 --> 00:33:15,248 trying to protect myself from the pain 619 00:33:15,286 --> 00:33:19,866 of having known deep down [sniffles] all along 620 00:33:19,916 --> 00:33:22,376 that something happened and I didn't want to confront it. 621 00:33:22,419 --> 00:33:23,879 I don't know. 622 00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,170 I regret every day 623 00:33:26,214 --> 00:33:28,934 that I didn't come forward about what he did to me. 624 00:33:28,967 --> 00:33:31,547 I regret every day that I lied to my mom during that time 625 00:33:31,594 --> 00:33:34,644 because I didn't know what to say, too. 626 00:33:36,891 --> 00:33:41,271 I wish it were a simple answer and a simple explanation. 627 00:33:41,312 --> 00:33:44,862 Nothing about trauma or abuse is ever simple 628 00:33:44,899 --> 00:33:47,989 because you're just trying to survive. 629 00:33:48,028 --> 00:33:51,448 I was convinced that she was okay... 630 00:33:51,489 --> 00:33:53,949 until December of 2008. 631 00:33:57,746 --> 00:34:00,036 -This morning at approximately 9:30 a.m., 632 00:34:00,081 --> 00:34:02,081 we had a call to the sheriff's office regarding a discovery 633 00:34:02,125 --> 00:34:04,285 that was made by an Orange County meter employee 634 00:34:04,336 --> 00:34:06,416 who had gone into the woods. 635 00:34:06,463 --> 00:34:07,883 A bag was found there. 636 00:34:07,922 --> 00:34:09,762 -We recovered this human skull. 637 00:34:09,799 --> 00:34:12,299 It appears to be that of a small child. 638 00:34:12,344 --> 00:34:14,054 Now the investigation continues. 639 00:34:14,095 --> 00:34:17,425 -Skeletal remains discovered 15 houses away 640 00:34:17,474 --> 00:34:18,894 from the Anthony home. 641 00:34:21,978 --> 00:34:25,938 -They sent a couple officers to come into the room 642 00:34:25,982 --> 00:34:27,572 that I was staying in. 643 00:34:27,609 --> 00:34:31,359 So they walk me down the hall, I walk into the nurse's station. 644 00:34:31,404 --> 00:34:33,704 Still have me handcuffed. 645 00:34:33,740 --> 00:34:36,830 And set me down in the waiting area. 646 00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:42,960 They have a TV on, though, in the far corner, 647 00:34:42,999 --> 00:34:47,589 and it's the live footage. 648 00:34:47,629 --> 00:34:52,179 And all you see across the bottom is "Body found." 649 00:34:52,217 --> 00:34:55,847 And I'm listening to them start to say... 650 00:35:02,852 --> 00:35:06,312 And I lose it. 651 00:35:06,356 --> 00:35:07,856 Couldn't breathe. 652 00:35:10,402 --> 00:35:13,322 That was the confirmation that she wasn't coming home. 653 00:35:16,199 --> 00:35:18,409 Because all of that time, I still held on 654 00:35:18,451 --> 00:35:20,501 to that shred of hope that she'd be okay. 655 00:35:20,537 --> 00:35:27,837 ** 656 00:35:27,877 --> 00:35:35,177 ** 657 00:35:35,218 --> 00:35:38,758 -The officer let me talk to her. 658 00:35:38,805 --> 00:35:41,425 It was the first time we held hands. 659 00:35:44,102 --> 00:35:46,062 And we just cried together. 660 00:35:49,858 --> 00:35:53,698 Her eyes were just bloodshot. Her face was red. 661 00:35:53,737 --> 00:35:59,277 ** 662 00:35:59,325 --> 00:36:02,285 It was horrible. 663 00:36:02,328 --> 00:36:04,998 At that point, all hope was gone. 664 00:36:07,834 --> 00:36:10,674 -Sheriff Beary, Joyce Dawley, 665 00:36:10,712 --> 00:36:14,222 Dr. Jan Garavaglia. 666 00:36:14,257 --> 00:36:16,467 -With regret, I'm here to inform you 667 00:36:16,509 --> 00:36:20,059 that the skeletal remains found on December 11th 668 00:36:20,096 --> 00:36:23,516 are those of the missing toddler, Caylee Anthony. 669 00:36:26,853 --> 00:36:30,193 This identification was made by nuclear DNA 670 00:36:30,231 --> 00:36:32,481 taken from a portion of the remains 671 00:36:32,525 --> 00:36:37,065 and compared to a known profile of Caylee Anthony. 672 00:36:37,113 --> 00:36:39,993 -We're told that a jail chaplain informed Casey Anthony 673 00:36:40,033 --> 00:36:42,743 that her daughter's remains have been identified. 674 00:36:42,786 --> 00:36:45,036 -She is behind bars right now at the Orange County Jail. 675 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:46,710 She is charged with murder. 676 00:36:46,748 --> 00:36:52,878 ** 677 00:36:52,921 --> 00:36:56,841 -[ Sniffling ] 678 00:36:56,883 --> 00:37:00,053 Yes, I was naive. Yes, I was dumb. 679 00:37:00,095 --> 00:37:04,135 Clearly, no matter how smart I was, I was dumb. 680 00:37:04,182 --> 00:37:06,562 This whole time leading up to that, 681 00:37:06,601 --> 00:37:08,101 I thought that there was a chance 682 00:37:08,144 --> 00:37:10,524 she could still be alive. 683 00:37:10,563 --> 00:37:13,113 I was telling the truth about... 684 00:37:13,149 --> 00:37:15,149 I thought there was still a chance. 685 00:37:18,488 --> 00:37:21,068 It's an instinct you're supposed to have as a parent to know 686 00:37:21,116 --> 00:37:22,906 something is wrong with your child. 687 00:37:22,951 --> 00:37:24,831 I should've known. 688 00:37:24,869 --> 00:37:32,379 ** 689 00:37:32,419 --> 00:37:34,879 [ Sobbing ] 690 00:37:43,972 --> 00:37:49,022 ** 691 00:37:49,060 --> 00:37:51,980 -This is a major, major development. 692 00:37:52,022 --> 00:37:55,982 Now the test will be, do the forensics match 693 00:37:56,026 --> 00:37:57,526 the circumstantial evidence? 694 00:37:57,569 --> 00:38:00,859 -They know where the child was, how she was disposed of. 695 00:38:00,905 --> 00:38:02,195 Hopefully, there is a lot 696 00:38:02,240 --> 00:38:03,660 of forensic evidence they can use here. 697 00:38:03,700 --> 00:38:07,040 -This is completely a forensic story now. 698 00:38:07,078 --> 00:38:12,748 ** 699 00:38:12,792 --> 00:38:18,092 ** 700 00:38:18,131 --> 00:38:23,551 -So down here on Suburban Drive is where the recovery was made, 701 00:38:23,595 --> 00:38:26,345 just down around the corner from the Anthony home. 702 00:38:26,389 --> 00:38:31,899 ** 703 00:38:31,936 --> 00:38:35,816 Looks much different than it did on the day of the discovery. 704 00:38:35,857 --> 00:38:42,777 ** 705 00:38:42,822 --> 00:38:49,752 ** 706 00:38:49,788 --> 00:38:52,918 Eric. -John, how are you? 707 00:38:52,957 --> 00:38:54,707 -Good. You? -Good. Thanks. 708 00:38:54,751 --> 00:39:00,421 ** 709 00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:03,925 Definitely in the ballpark location where when we came out, 710 00:39:03,968 --> 00:39:07,558 you know, we made our first entry to go down there. 711 00:39:10,975 --> 00:39:13,475 She would have been right down in here in the flagged area. 712 00:39:13,520 --> 00:39:16,520 We're not very far from that location right here. 713 00:39:16,564 --> 00:39:21,194 -Kind of standing about where -- where it was. 714 00:39:21,236 --> 00:39:24,236 When Caylee's body was found, 715 00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,950 there was duct tape wrapped around her head. 716 00:39:27,992 --> 00:39:30,792 I remember seeing the duct tape. 717 00:39:30,829 --> 00:39:32,539 -Yeah, the duct tape. 718 00:39:32,580 --> 00:39:35,960 I remember how her hair kind of rolled around 719 00:39:36,001 --> 00:39:37,341 and made almost like she was resting 720 00:39:37,377 --> 00:39:39,337 in a bird's nest of hair. 721 00:39:39,379 --> 00:39:42,629 She would have been in two black plastic bags 722 00:39:42,674 --> 00:39:45,264 and a large laundry bag, 723 00:39:45,301 --> 00:39:48,681 and there was a Winnie the Pooh blanket with the remains. 724 00:39:48,722 --> 00:39:49,972 -Right. 725 00:39:50,015 --> 00:39:53,435 -Those are items that jumped out at me. 726 00:39:53,476 --> 00:39:55,806 -There was a big effort on the part of law enforcement 727 00:39:55,854 --> 00:39:58,314 to try to trace items found at the crime scene 728 00:39:58,356 --> 00:40:00,146 there where Caylee's body was found back 729 00:40:00,191 --> 00:40:03,991 to items recovered at the Anthony home. 730 00:40:04,029 --> 00:40:05,239 -The bag that she was in, 731 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,490 the laundry bag was part of a set. 732 00:40:07,532 --> 00:40:11,292 And we found the other part of the set at the house. 733 00:40:11,327 --> 00:40:13,657 The duct tape wrapped around her head 734 00:40:13,705 --> 00:40:16,455 was a specific brand of duct tape. 735 00:40:16,499 --> 00:40:19,789 That same duct tape was found at the Anthony home. 736 00:40:19,836 --> 00:40:24,006 -The Winnie the Pooh blanket matched the bed sheet 737 00:40:24,049 --> 00:40:26,589 from the child's bedroom. 738 00:40:26,634 --> 00:40:28,684 -It turned out there were a lot of things at the scene 739 00:40:28,720 --> 00:40:32,220 that linked to the home. 740 00:40:32,265 --> 00:40:35,845 -So what happened? 741 00:40:35,894 --> 00:40:39,444 -It appeared that a person from the Anthony home 742 00:40:39,481 --> 00:40:41,361 taped her face up with duct tape, 743 00:40:41,399 --> 00:40:43,939 stuffed her in a trash bag, 744 00:40:43,985 --> 00:40:48,775 dumped her in the woods down the street from the house. 745 00:40:48,823 --> 00:40:51,123 -Based on available information, 746 00:40:51,159 --> 00:40:53,949 including examination of the body, 747 00:40:53,995 --> 00:40:55,825 information from the scene, 748 00:40:55,872 --> 00:40:58,752 the manner of death in this case is homicide. 749 00:41:00,877 --> 00:41:06,297 -There was, in fact, some tape on the mouth of Caylee Anthony. 750 00:41:06,341 --> 00:41:08,431 That changes the game. -Well, sure, it does. 751 00:41:08,468 --> 00:41:10,678 I think it shows that the child incurred suffering 752 00:41:10,720 --> 00:41:13,260 and they'll go after her for the death penalty now, 753 00:41:13,306 --> 00:41:15,476 mother or no mother. 754 00:41:15,517 --> 00:41:17,307 -There was no question in their minds 755 00:41:17,352 --> 00:41:20,312 about whether or not I did anything. 756 00:41:20,355 --> 00:41:22,225 I wasn't the only one living at home. 757 00:41:22,273 --> 00:41:25,153 But they didn't go and ask anyone in the family 758 00:41:25,193 --> 00:41:28,363 about garbage bags and duct tape. 759 00:41:28,405 --> 00:41:29,855 -Tonight, a big breaker, 760 00:41:29,906 --> 00:41:33,076 a shocker in the case against Casey Anthony. 761 00:41:33,118 --> 00:41:35,198 Prosecutors announced they will -- 762 00:41:35,245 --> 00:41:37,455 Yes, they will seek the death penalty 763 00:41:37,497 --> 00:41:39,417 against the 23-year-old for the murder 764 00:41:39,457 --> 00:41:41,787 of her precious 2-year-old daughter, Caylee. 765 00:41:41,835 --> 00:41:45,125 ** 766 00:41:45,171 --> 00:41:49,801 -One thing that those of us who do death-penalty work, 767 00:41:49,843 --> 00:41:54,473 what we know is, even though our clients might be innocent, 768 00:41:54,514 --> 00:41:57,024 there is a very high likelihood 769 00:41:57,058 --> 00:41:59,768 that there can be a guilty verdict. 770 00:41:59,811 --> 00:42:02,021 I had those conversations with Casey. 771 00:42:02,063 --> 00:42:05,073 "We have to really be able to tell your story." 772 00:42:06,026 --> 00:42:08,946 -Can you talk to me about the process of deciding 773 00:42:08,987 --> 00:42:12,697 to tell your defense team about what happened with Caylee? 774 00:42:14,159 --> 00:42:16,949 -It's still not a conversation I've really had in depth 775 00:42:16,995 --> 00:42:19,455 with any of them to this day. 776 00:42:19,497 --> 00:42:24,627 And the desire was to never again open those boxes 777 00:42:24,669 --> 00:42:28,799 to never have to relive those things that happened. 778 00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:37,470 ** 779 00:42:37,515 --> 00:42:40,305 -I got involved in the Casey Anthony case 780 00:42:40,352 --> 00:42:43,772 on the day Caylee's remains were found. 781 00:42:43,813 --> 00:42:45,443 She was facing the death penalty. 782 00:42:45,482 --> 00:42:48,572 So I was going to start an investigation. 783 00:42:48,610 --> 00:42:53,160 We're trying to find out what happened here. 784 00:42:53,198 --> 00:42:56,488 The second day I was in Orlando, 785 00:42:56,534 --> 00:43:00,464 I was brought over to Hopespring to meet the family, 786 00:43:00,497 --> 00:43:04,627 and Cindy was on the phone as I'm being introduced, 787 00:43:04,668 --> 00:43:06,628 telling George, the husband, 788 00:43:06,670 --> 00:43:09,710 "Geraldo's on the phone, wants us at 9:00, 789 00:43:09,756 --> 00:43:12,586 but we're already booked for the 'Today' show." 790 00:43:12,634 --> 00:43:15,514 They had a guy on the floor with a computer saying, 791 00:43:15,553 --> 00:43:18,603 "Well, we raised $27,000 for our foundation 792 00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:21,940 to help other parents find their children when they go missing." 793 00:43:21,976 --> 00:43:26,476 It hit me like, "Wow, that's not how I would be acting." 794 00:43:26,523 --> 00:43:30,243 The dynamics of what's happening that day and, you know, 795 00:43:30,276 --> 00:43:33,406 this is after the remains have been found. 796 00:43:33,446 --> 00:43:35,366 Caylee's gone. I'd have been a mess. 797 00:43:35,407 --> 00:43:38,237 It just was kind of crazy to me. 798 00:43:39,953 --> 00:43:46,423 I went to Casey's room and saw this monument to Caylee. 799 00:43:46,459 --> 00:43:48,289 These pictures all over the wall 800 00:43:48,336 --> 00:43:50,876 told me a story of a very loving mother. 801 00:43:50,922 --> 00:43:54,842 Casey took 20 a day of her daughter. 802 00:43:57,929 --> 00:43:59,759 The next weekend, I had to come back. 803 00:43:59,806 --> 00:44:03,636 I said, "I'll be back, and I'd like to talk to Cindy." 804 00:44:03,685 --> 00:44:06,725 She showed up late Sunday night with George 805 00:44:06,771 --> 00:44:11,691 and...they were towing a -- like, a bass boat 806 00:44:11,735 --> 00:44:14,605 that was totally tricked out, freshly painted, 807 00:44:14,654 --> 00:44:19,414 "Call 1-800 missing children" on the side of it. 808 00:44:19,451 --> 00:44:21,831 -It's the SS Caylee Marie. 809 00:44:21,870 --> 00:44:24,410 That's my granddaughter. In honor of my granddaughter. 810 00:44:24,456 --> 00:44:27,286 -They get out. Cindy's sunburnt. 811 00:44:27,334 --> 00:44:30,804 They've been out on this boat all day long. 812 00:44:30,837 --> 00:44:33,797 They said, "We want to do a sea trial for this boat" 813 00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:35,930 that they must have got through their foundation. 814 00:44:35,967 --> 00:44:39,717 And I'm again thinking, "Well, if I was in their shoes, 815 00:44:39,763 --> 00:44:41,263 it was my daughter, my granddaughter, 816 00:44:41,306 --> 00:44:43,346 I doubt if I'd be go getting a boat 817 00:44:43,391 --> 00:44:47,101 to go look for other missing children on a frickin' lake." 818 00:44:47,145 --> 00:44:48,265 It made no sense. 819 00:44:48,313 --> 00:44:50,363 It just was more of that insanity 820 00:44:50,398 --> 00:44:51,978 pulling me into the case. 821 00:44:52,025 --> 00:44:55,695 And I remember coming out and Jose Baez, Casey's attorney, 822 00:44:55,737 --> 00:44:58,617 and he says, "What did you think, Pat?" 823 00:44:58,656 --> 00:45:02,576 I said, "You know, I still don't have enough information 824 00:45:02,619 --> 00:45:06,329 because I can't connect that girl killing that baby. 825 00:45:06,373 --> 00:45:10,713 But there's something really fucked up about this family." 826 00:45:10,752 --> 00:45:19,592 ** 827 00:45:19,636 --> 00:45:22,596 -Pat McKenna was part of my defense team. 828 00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:27,309 After everything was done with my case, after the trial, 829 00:45:27,352 --> 00:45:33,402 long after July of 2011, my defense team, 830 00:45:33,441 --> 00:45:35,651 they truly became my family. 831 00:45:35,694 --> 00:45:41,454 And we've chosen to still stay banded because 832 00:45:41,491 --> 00:45:45,411 we truly do look at one another as -- 833 00:45:45,453 --> 00:45:47,663 as not just colleagues and war buddies, 834 00:45:47,706 --> 00:45:51,836 but as -- as family and friends. 835 00:45:51,876 --> 00:45:55,336 And I love these people so much -- 836 00:45:55,380 --> 00:45:59,340 Liz, Pat, Dorothy, Cheney. 837 00:45:59,384 --> 00:46:03,394 So we are on our way now to Liz's house. 838 00:46:06,725 --> 00:46:09,305 It just gives me so much peace seeing them. 839 00:46:09,352 --> 00:46:14,362 ** 840 00:46:14,399 --> 00:46:16,779 Hi! 841 00:46:16,818 --> 00:46:18,318 [ Laughs ] 842 00:46:18,361 --> 00:46:21,571 -Hi, honey. How are you? 843 00:46:27,245 --> 00:46:29,705 -Hi. -Hi. 844 00:46:29,748 --> 00:46:32,378 -[ Sighs ] I've been crying all day. 845 00:46:32,417 --> 00:46:35,627 [ Sniffles ] -Oh, my God. 846 00:46:35,670 --> 00:46:37,420 -Oh, I'm tired. 847 00:46:39,841 --> 00:46:42,551 -When I first met Casey Anthony, 848 00:46:42,594 --> 00:46:46,604 I was struck by how small she is. 849 00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:51,059 This small, very young woman is brought into a room 850 00:46:51,102 --> 00:46:53,272 to meet her attorneys. 851 00:46:53,313 --> 00:46:55,573 And as she's sitting there, 852 00:46:55,607 --> 00:47:00,107 you realize she's in a cage alone all day 853 00:47:00,153 --> 00:47:03,413 in solitary confinement at the Orange County Jail. 854 00:47:03,448 --> 00:47:09,078 I think what struck me is she's got a sense of strength. 855 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,210 There's just such a survivor in her. 856 00:47:11,247 --> 00:47:13,997 -I'm okay. 857 00:47:14,042 --> 00:47:15,342 You know me. 858 00:47:15,377 --> 00:47:17,047 It'll be alright. 859 00:47:17,087 --> 00:47:22,217 -Casey, at the time, wasn't one to really share every aspect 860 00:47:22,258 --> 00:47:24,718 of her difficulties and pain. 861 00:47:24,761 --> 00:47:27,511 She's become much more comfortable with that over time. 862 00:47:27,555 --> 00:47:34,975 ** 863 00:47:35,021 --> 00:47:37,731 At the beginning of the Casey Anthony case, 864 00:47:37,774 --> 00:47:40,784 I was really behind the scenes reviewing evidence 865 00:47:40,819 --> 00:47:44,949 and doing motion work for Cheney Mason. 866 00:47:44,989 --> 00:47:49,449 Jose Baez had been her attorney for an extended period of time, 867 00:47:49,494 --> 00:47:51,044 and he was required 868 00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:54,459 to get a death-qualified attorney on that. 869 00:47:54,499 --> 00:47:56,249 And that's where Cheney came in. 870 00:47:59,087 --> 00:48:00,457 Do you want to sit up at the counter 871 00:48:00,505 --> 00:48:01,915 and I'll get you a drink? 872 00:48:01,965 --> 00:48:04,215 -It's too early to start drinking. 873 00:48:04,259 --> 00:48:07,759 [ Laughter ] 874 00:48:07,804 --> 00:48:11,684 Mr. Baez started calling my office 875 00:48:11,725 --> 00:48:14,015 and I went to meet Casey. 876 00:48:14,060 --> 00:48:19,270 And after I met her in the jail, whatever, 877 00:48:19,315 --> 00:48:23,855 my instincts or intuition are, from being an old man 878 00:48:23,903 --> 00:48:25,823 and a long-term lawyer, 879 00:48:25,864 --> 00:48:31,494 I decided that I would step in and help her. 880 00:48:31,536 --> 00:48:34,996 I took some pictures. 881 00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:38,340 There's a mama deer and a baby deer. 882 00:48:38,376 --> 00:48:40,586 -Oh, there they are. 883 00:48:40,628 --> 00:48:42,588 Right up against your screened-in porch. 884 00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:44,010 -Yeah. 885 00:48:44,049 --> 00:48:45,879 -Wow. 886 00:48:45,925 --> 00:48:49,755 -Casey -- her phone number is on my phone. 887 00:48:49,804 --> 00:48:52,524 She can call me any time she wants to. 888 00:48:52,557 --> 00:48:58,857 I have tried something in excess of 350 jury trials. 889 00:48:58,897 --> 00:49:04,107 Of all of the people that I have defended of serious crimes, 890 00:49:04,152 --> 00:49:09,952 I can't think of any other that I've invited into my home. 891 00:49:09,991 --> 00:49:13,331 I've spent well over 2,000 hours on this case, 892 00:49:13,370 --> 00:49:15,080 well over $1,000,000. 893 00:49:15,121 --> 00:49:17,751 But once we were in it, we were in it. 894 00:49:17,791 --> 00:49:20,291 There wasn't -- There was no quitting. 895 00:49:23,797 --> 00:49:27,217 -We really didn't know what we were stepping into. 896 00:49:27,258 --> 00:49:32,058 I had no idea about the enormity of the case. 897 00:49:32,097 --> 00:49:34,307 -The sources close to the case say investigators now 898 00:49:34,349 --> 00:49:37,809 have overwhelming evidence that there is no question 899 00:49:37,852 --> 00:49:43,022 Casey killed her 3-year-old daughter, Caylee. 900 00:49:43,066 --> 00:49:46,566 -There was so much public outcry. 901 00:49:46,611 --> 00:49:48,491 -Justice for Caylee. 902 00:49:48,530 --> 00:49:53,080 -There are people that are fully in favor of eye for an eye 903 00:49:53,118 --> 00:49:56,618 because there's a greatly intensified seriousness 904 00:49:56,663 --> 00:49:57,873 about the case. 905 00:49:57,914 --> 00:50:00,584 We, on more than one occasion, 906 00:50:00,625 --> 00:50:03,995 as we are required to do by federal law, 907 00:50:04,045 --> 00:50:06,965 discussed with Casey the possibility 908 00:50:07,007 --> 00:50:10,007 of engaging in a plea bargain. 909 00:50:10,051 --> 00:50:12,101 -I'm a catastrophizer about these things, 910 00:50:12,137 --> 00:50:16,557 so I think you at least have to have a conversation about offers 911 00:50:16,599 --> 00:50:21,439 and what that's gonna look like and can we keep you alive? 912 00:50:21,479 --> 00:50:22,939 The deal on the table 913 00:50:22,981 --> 00:50:27,031 was 20 years in the Department of Correction, 914 00:50:27,068 --> 00:50:31,698 and she would have to accept guilt and responsibility 915 00:50:31,740 --> 00:50:33,160 for her daughter's death. 916 00:50:37,662 --> 00:50:39,622 -Anything you want to tell us? 917 00:50:39,664 --> 00:50:42,174 -I'll talk afterwards. -Okay. Thanks. 918 00:50:44,294 --> 00:50:46,674 -I laughed Jose Baez out of the room that we were meeting in, 919 00:50:46,713 --> 00:50:50,013 telling him there was no fucking way. 920 00:50:50,050 --> 00:50:54,260 -She was not having it. 921 00:50:54,304 --> 00:50:58,984 The last thing that she would even entertain is the idea 922 00:50:59,017 --> 00:51:03,477 that she would take credit for hurting the only one pure, 923 00:51:03,521 --> 00:51:06,271 true thing she ever had. 924 00:51:06,316 --> 00:51:09,026 -It takes a lot of courage and belief in some way 925 00:51:09,069 --> 00:51:11,529 to, you know, be facing the death penalty, 926 00:51:11,571 --> 00:51:14,821 turn down an offer. 927 00:51:14,866 --> 00:51:17,156 Casey would have nothing to do with it. 928 00:51:17,202 --> 00:51:20,662 -I would rather have been found guilty and spent my life -- 929 00:51:20,705 --> 00:51:22,325 the rest of my life on death row, 930 00:51:22,374 --> 00:51:24,504 fighting for my life and my innocence 931 00:51:24,542 --> 00:51:27,212 than to have ever pled to something I didn't do. 932 00:51:27,253 --> 00:51:30,223 I lied to the cops. I wrote those checks. 933 00:51:30,256 --> 00:51:32,336 I admitted guilt on each of those. 934 00:51:32,384 --> 00:51:33,844 That was it. 935 00:51:47,273 --> 00:51:48,533 -The national spotlight is now focused on Orlando. 936 00:51:51,486 --> 00:51:53,446 The satellite trucks are hooked up to feed, 937 00:51:53,488 --> 00:51:55,618 the generators are topped off with fuel, 938 00:51:55,657 --> 00:51:58,787 and the 70-foot risers are ready for reporters. 939 00:51:58,827 --> 00:52:01,287 -It's happening -- the most closely watched case 940 00:52:01,329 --> 00:52:04,419 maybe ever or certainly since O.J. Simpson. 941 00:52:08,253 --> 00:52:10,133 -I will never forget what happened 942 00:52:10,171 --> 00:52:12,471 inside of those courtrooms. 943 00:52:12,507 --> 00:52:16,427 I will never forget the anxiety 944 00:52:16,469 --> 00:52:19,889 and the dread going to walk through those doors, 945 00:52:19,931 --> 00:52:21,811 to get off of those elevators. 946 00:52:21,850 --> 00:52:28,270 ** 947 00:52:28,314 --> 00:52:31,034 -It's taken almost three years to get to today. 948 00:52:31,067 --> 00:52:33,897 We are now just minutes away from opening statements 949 00:52:33,945 --> 00:52:37,815 in the murder case of 2-year-old Caylee Anthony. 950 00:52:37,866 --> 00:52:40,656 -Does the state care to make an opening statement at this time? 951 00:52:40,702 --> 00:52:44,542 -Yes, Your Honor. -You may proceed. 952 00:52:44,581 --> 00:52:48,791 -Linda Drane Burdick is a very skilled prosecutor. 953 00:52:49,961 --> 00:52:52,551 -Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 954 00:52:52,589 --> 00:52:55,259 Welcome to Orange County. 955 00:52:57,677 --> 00:53:02,217 As difficult as it may be for anyone to accept 956 00:53:02,265 --> 00:53:03,675 that a mother 957 00:53:03,725 --> 00:53:07,595 would intentionally kill her own child, 958 00:53:07,645 --> 00:53:10,435 from the evidence that you will hear in this case, 959 00:53:10,482 --> 00:53:15,782 there is no other conclusion that could be drawn. 960 00:53:15,820 --> 00:53:22,370 -This case was full of purported evidence against Casey. 961 00:53:22,410 --> 00:53:26,370 -Duct tape covered the nose and mouth area 962 00:53:26,414 --> 00:53:28,794 of that tiny human skull. 963 00:53:28,833 --> 00:53:30,923 -Evidence of duct tape found over the mouth 964 00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:32,590 of the child's skull, 965 00:53:32,629 --> 00:53:35,969 high levels of chloroform found in the trunk of Casey's car. 966 00:53:36,007 --> 00:53:39,337 -But a lot of it was really this junk science 967 00:53:39,386 --> 00:53:41,756 that was used to pad over 968 00:53:41,805 --> 00:53:44,055 the lack of actual facts in the case. 969 00:53:44,099 --> 00:53:46,729 I don't think anyone's better than Dorothy Clay Sims 970 00:53:46,768 --> 00:53:49,518 at being able to get to the bottom of that. 971 00:53:49,562 --> 00:53:53,072 -I was in charge of the forensics with the defense team. 972 00:53:53,108 --> 00:53:57,858 I do a lot of work with motions to exclude unreliable science, 973 00:53:57,904 --> 00:54:00,324 and I was very concerned about some of the science 974 00:54:00,365 --> 00:54:03,025 that the state was producing. 975 00:54:03,076 --> 00:54:06,866 For example, they took a position that Casey somehow 976 00:54:06,913 --> 00:54:08,923 was going to try to make chloroform 977 00:54:08,957 --> 00:54:11,537 and murder her child with chloroform. 978 00:54:11,584 --> 00:54:13,884 -Dr. Ross will also tell you 979 00:54:13,920 --> 00:54:16,550 that he found something unexpected. 980 00:54:18,091 --> 00:54:20,431 His instrumental analysis 981 00:54:20,468 --> 00:54:25,018 found the highest concentration of chloroform 982 00:54:25,056 --> 00:54:27,976 that he's ever seen. 983 00:54:28,018 --> 00:54:29,938 -They've got the chloroform. 984 00:54:29,978 --> 00:54:32,108 They've got the tape over the mouth. 985 00:54:32,147 --> 00:54:33,977 Those are major problems. 986 00:54:34,024 --> 00:54:37,074 -But when they did some testing on the remains, 987 00:54:37,110 --> 00:54:41,610 no chloroform was found in the hair, no drugs. 988 00:54:41,656 --> 00:54:43,826 And then the duct tape. 989 00:54:43,867 --> 00:54:46,997 What everybody saw on the news was, "Oh, the child's remains 990 00:54:47,037 --> 00:54:49,787 were found with duct tape over the mouth." 991 00:54:49,831 --> 00:54:53,711 -No child deserves to die with duct tape around their face. 992 00:54:53,752 --> 00:54:55,592 Well, there was no evidence 993 00:54:55,628 --> 00:55:00,128 that that's the way that Caylee died either. 994 00:55:00,175 --> 00:55:05,055 There was duct tape, some part attached to her hair 995 00:55:05,096 --> 00:55:07,516 hanging down on the left side 996 00:55:07,557 --> 00:55:11,637 and the lower mandible on the right side. 997 00:55:11,686 --> 00:55:15,726 -There was no DNA at all on the duct tape. 998 00:55:15,774 --> 00:55:17,574 How did it end up that way? 999 00:55:17,609 --> 00:55:19,489 Do I think that the duct tape could've come 1000 00:55:19,527 --> 00:55:21,197 from the exterior of the bag? Absolutely. 1001 00:55:21,237 --> 00:55:24,657 In fact, there were witnesses that talked about 1002 00:55:24,699 --> 00:55:27,489 how it could've slid down from the bag. 1003 00:55:27,535 --> 00:55:30,285 To me, it was pretty clear that the duct tape 1004 00:55:30,330 --> 00:55:33,880 had never, ever been on Caylee's skin. 1005 00:55:33,917 --> 00:55:37,337 That duct tape was not ever around her face 1006 00:55:37,379 --> 00:55:40,089 when she was still alive. 1007 00:55:40,131 --> 00:55:43,051 I was concerned about the hair banding. 1008 00:55:45,011 --> 00:55:49,891 -When I examined that trunk, I found 15 hairs. 1009 00:55:49,933 --> 00:55:53,193 And this one, this hair, it's a long hair... 1010 00:55:53,228 --> 00:55:54,648 right here. 1011 00:55:54,688 --> 00:55:57,858 They sent it to the FBI. 1012 00:55:57,899 --> 00:56:03,069 They found the dark band near to the root area of the hair, 1013 00:56:03,113 --> 00:56:04,613 which is an indication 1014 00:56:04,656 --> 00:56:08,156 that that hair came from a decomposed body. 1015 00:56:09,244 --> 00:56:16,424 This hair is identify with the DNA from the mother's side. 1016 00:56:16,459 --> 00:56:21,669 So we have Cindy, we have Casey both alive. 1017 00:56:21,715 --> 00:56:25,545 The only person that is missing is Caylee. 1018 00:56:25,593 --> 00:56:32,523 ** 1019 00:56:32,559 --> 00:56:35,899 -There are other causes for hair banding. 1020 00:56:35,937 --> 00:56:39,397 Not just that it came from a body 1021 00:56:39,441 --> 00:56:40,901 that was already deceased. 1022 00:56:40,942 --> 00:56:44,072 You can have hair banding even on people who are alive. 1023 00:56:44,112 --> 00:56:46,702 Things like moisture and dirt, et cetera, 1024 00:56:46,740 --> 00:56:48,240 can cause hair banding. 1025 00:56:48,283 --> 00:56:51,583 And then there's a problem with the cadaver dogs. 1026 00:56:51,619 --> 00:56:53,659 -The first pass he started indicating in the -- 1027 00:56:53,705 --> 00:56:55,705 in the rear of the vehicle. 1028 00:56:55,749 --> 00:56:57,249 I could tell he was working something, 1029 00:56:57,292 --> 00:57:01,962 looking, um, to the back-seat, trunk area. 1030 00:57:02,005 --> 00:57:05,085 -The cadaver dogs came back and didn't alert a second time. 1031 00:57:05,133 --> 00:57:08,093 That is a symptom of the whole problem with the case 1032 00:57:08,136 --> 00:57:12,266 because people would latch on to a cadaver dog alerting 1033 00:57:12,307 --> 00:57:16,017 but completely ignore evidence of a cadaver dog 1034 00:57:16,061 --> 00:57:17,191 that doesn't alert. 1035 00:57:17,228 --> 00:57:20,518 You can cause a cadaver dog to alert. 1036 00:57:20,565 --> 00:57:23,685 And if you can rely on a cadaver dog, 1037 00:57:23,735 --> 00:57:25,565 which are you gonna rely on? 1038 00:57:25,612 --> 00:57:27,782 That's the problem. It's inexact. 1039 00:57:27,822 --> 00:57:30,492 It's inexact science. 1040 00:57:30,533 --> 00:57:33,203 And then the decompositional odors. 1041 00:57:33,244 --> 00:57:36,164 The state said that their expert 1042 00:57:36,206 --> 00:57:37,786 could quantify the molecules 1043 00:57:37,832 --> 00:57:40,002 that were in the air in the trunk 1044 00:57:40,043 --> 00:57:42,633 and determine if they were consistent 1045 00:57:42,671 --> 00:57:44,381 with decompositional odors. 1046 00:57:44,422 --> 00:57:45,672 -And what that does is 1047 00:57:45,715 --> 00:57:47,295 essentially condenses and freezes 1048 00:57:47,342 --> 00:57:50,972 all the odor molecules into a small, little pellet. 1049 00:57:51,012 --> 00:57:55,482 -I'm not aware of any trial that this methodology 1050 00:57:55,517 --> 00:57:57,267 had ever been accepted in. 1051 00:57:57,310 --> 00:57:59,730 It's very questionable. 1052 00:57:59,771 --> 00:58:03,191 The lack of true, reproducible science is shocking. 1053 00:58:03,233 --> 00:58:04,693 It's really shocking. 1054 00:58:09,114 --> 00:58:12,994 -There wasn't any evidence that Casey ever hurt her child, 1055 00:58:13,034 --> 00:58:15,914 let alone that she was responsible for her death. 1056 00:58:15,954 --> 00:58:19,004 This child that she loved so much, by all accounts, 1057 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:21,710 by all the witnesses that knew her. 1058 00:58:28,717 --> 00:58:33,177 The crux of this case and the anger was 1059 00:58:33,221 --> 00:58:37,021 it appeared to be that she was behaving incorrectly. 1060 00:58:37,058 --> 00:58:41,598 The type of discovery, the evidence 1061 00:58:41,646 --> 00:58:43,896 that the state was sharing with the defense 1062 00:58:43,940 --> 00:58:46,070 really was more about painting her 1063 00:58:46,109 --> 00:58:50,569 as a young, scandalous woman without a care in the world. 1064 00:58:51,781 --> 00:58:54,161 And according to their theory, 1065 00:58:54,200 --> 00:58:58,460 only a murderer would be able to compartmentalize 1066 00:58:58,496 --> 00:59:03,126 and enjoy themselves when their child was missing. 1067 00:59:04,252 --> 00:59:08,672 I really realized the gravity of the situation we were in. 1068 00:59:08,715 --> 00:59:11,795 You never know what a jury is gonna do. 1069 00:59:11,843 --> 00:59:15,013 Casey was in for the fight of her life 1070 00:59:24,898 --> 00:59:25,978 -News 13's Jacqueline Fell has information 1071 00:59:26,775 --> 00:59:28,105 on today's deposition. 1072 00:59:28,151 --> 00:59:31,701 -We were covering the case every day. 1073 00:59:31,738 --> 00:59:33,488 While there's an enormous amount of evidence 1074 00:59:33,531 --> 00:59:35,161 for the 12 jurors to process, 1075 00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:37,580 they're also trying to process this -- 1076 00:59:37,619 --> 00:59:39,869 Just what to make of the 25-year-old 1077 00:59:39,913 --> 00:59:42,333 accused of killing her daughter. 1078 00:59:42,374 --> 00:59:44,584 They say she went to clubs, got her nails done, 1079 00:59:44,626 --> 00:59:46,376 got a tattoo that said "Good life." 1080 00:59:46,419 --> 00:59:50,089 And according to one friend was giddy about her new boyfriend. 1081 00:59:50,131 --> 00:59:52,801 -This really was sort of like the first big case 1082 00:59:52,842 --> 00:59:54,262 playing out on social media. 1083 00:59:54,302 --> 00:59:57,512 The news station had a Twitter account 1084 00:59:57,555 --> 00:59:59,965 created for this case. 1085 01:00:00,016 --> 01:00:04,226 People just were constantly talking about it online. 1086 01:00:04,270 --> 01:00:08,270 In the court of public opinion, Casey was already guilty. 1087 01:00:09,317 --> 01:00:12,107 -It was the first trial by social media. 1088 01:00:12,153 --> 01:00:14,363 The public was weighing in on this, 1089 01:00:14,406 --> 01:00:15,946 and I'm sure the prosecutors 1090 01:00:15,990 --> 01:00:18,620 had to be reading what they were saying 1091 01:00:18,660 --> 01:00:20,830 and tailoring what they were doing 1092 01:00:20,870 --> 01:00:22,210 to what was coming in. 1093 01:00:22,247 --> 01:00:25,457 -Caylee's death allowed Casey Anthony 1094 01:00:25,500 --> 01:00:27,670 to live the good life, 1095 01:00:27,711 --> 01:00:31,511 at least for those 31 days. 1096 01:00:31,548 --> 01:00:34,548 -Shot girls, music, dancing. 1097 01:00:34,592 --> 01:00:38,472 Young people doing what young people are supposed to do, 1098 01:00:38,513 --> 01:00:40,523 and I want to say that clearly. 1099 01:00:40,557 --> 01:00:43,137 There's nothing wrong with young people being young people. 1100 01:00:43,184 --> 01:00:45,484 There's nothing with young people drinking 1101 01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:47,860 and dancing and having fun. 1102 01:00:47,897 --> 01:00:50,937 There's nothing wrong with that. 1103 01:00:50,984 --> 01:00:55,824 But that's not the life that Casey has, 1104 01:00:55,864 --> 01:00:58,164 because Casey is a mom. 1105 01:00:58,199 --> 01:01:00,659 -That's in the entire prosecution as, 1106 01:01:00,702 --> 01:01:02,662 "Well, explain yourself. 1107 01:01:02,704 --> 01:01:04,164 I mean, that's not the way 1108 01:01:04,205 --> 01:01:06,495 a grieving mother is allowed to act." 1109 01:01:06,541 --> 01:01:11,881 -I think that the best way to explain Casey's behavior 1110 01:01:11,921 --> 01:01:15,931 is through the words of Dr. Sally Karioth. 1111 01:01:15,967 --> 01:01:18,677 Sally Karioth was the grief specialist 1112 01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:23,270 that came in and talked about what it's like for young people 1113 01:01:23,308 --> 01:01:24,848 when they have a traumatic event. 1114 01:01:24,893 --> 01:01:28,903 She had over 30 years' experience in the field. 1115 01:01:28,938 --> 01:01:31,018 -They are reluctant grievers. 1116 01:01:31,066 --> 01:01:32,606 Young adults are reluctant grievers, 1117 01:01:32,650 --> 01:01:37,740 and they will often say nothing has happened. 1118 01:01:37,781 --> 01:01:39,871 They will demonstrate risky behavior. 1119 01:01:39,908 --> 01:01:41,868 -The behavior that Casey engaged in 1120 01:01:41,910 --> 01:01:44,830 was absolutely consistent with grief. 1121 01:01:44,871 --> 01:01:48,961 It just wasn't what we typically understand grief to look like. 1122 01:01:50,669 --> 01:01:54,049 -I read psychological experts, their depositions, 1123 01:01:54,089 --> 01:01:57,009 and I conferenced with them. 1124 01:01:57,050 --> 01:01:59,050 The lying that Casey was engaging in 1125 01:01:59,094 --> 01:02:02,764 wasn't for manipulation or self-gain. 1126 01:02:02,806 --> 01:02:05,136 -Pathological lying is not a diagnosis. 1127 01:02:05,183 --> 01:02:09,563 It's a pattern of behavior often shown to occur 1128 01:02:09,604 --> 01:02:13,734 as a result of developmental issues, family issues. 1129 01:02:13,775 --> 01:02:16,065 -People react differently to trauma. 1130 01:02:16,111 --> 01:02:18,911 It depends on their background, how they're raised. 1131 01:02:18,947 --> 01:02:22,737 Casey's behavior was a behavior of someone 1132 01:02:22,784 --> 01:02:26,794 that is not inconsistent with abuse. 1133 01:02:26,830 --> 01:02:28,330 -Based on my experience in working 1134 01:02:28,373 --> 01:02:33,213 in the sexual-abuse area, after the sexual abuse stops, 1135 01:02:33,253 --> 01:02:37,593 there's still this dynamic of feeling like the father, 1136 01:02:37,632 --> 01:02:41,012 the perpetrator, has control. 1137 01:02:41,052 --> 01:02:43,602 She told me what happened to Caylee. 1138 01:02:43,638 --> 01:02:47,098 It helped me understand why she would go along 1139 01:02:47,142 --> 01:02:49,942 with what he told her to do 1140 01:02:49,978 --> 01:02:53,478 and not disclose what happened to Caylee. 1141 01:02:55,984 --> 01:03:00,204 -That was so important for our understanding. 1142 01:03:00,238 --> 01:03:01,948 I mean, not just the defense teams, 1143 01:03:01,990 --> 01:03:03,580 but the jury as well, 1144 01:03:03,616 --> 01:03:07,196 that Casey has been through significant trauma. 1145 01:03:11,207 --> 01:03:13,787 -Good afternoon, members of the jury. 1146 01:03:13,835 --> 01:03:16,455 Mr. Baez, you may proceed. 1147 01:03:16,504 --> 01:03:20,974 -Come with me to 4937 Hopespring Drive. 1148 01:03:21,009 --> 01:03:23,469 It looks like the all-American home. 1149 01:03:23,511 --> 01:03:26,771 In fact, you can drive by any home in the United States 1150 01:03:26,806 --> 01:03:31,306 and never know what goes on behind closed doors. 1151 01:03:31,353 --> 01:03:33,943 You never know what secrets lie within. 1152 01:03:37,609 --> 01:03:43,409 You see, this family must keep its secrets quiet. 1153 01:03:44,366 --> 01:03:47,486 And it all began when Casey was 8 years old 1154 01:03:47,535 --> 01:03:49,865 and her father came into her room 1155 01:03:49,913 --> 01:03:53,543 and began to touch her inappropriately. 1156 01:03:53,583 --> 01:03:55,173 And it escalated. 1157 01:03:55,210 --> 01:03:58,380 -[ Sighs ] -And it escalated. 1158 01:04:03,009 --> 01:04:05,469 -Did you know what he was gonna say? 1159 01:04:05,512 --> 01:04:07,102 -No. 1160 01:04:07,138 --> 01:04:09,348 -Did you know he was gonna bring up the abuse? 1161 01:04:09,391 --> 01:04:10,561 -No. 1162 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,690 -You didn't know? -He didn't tell me. 1163 01:04:12,727 --> 01:04:18,357 He did not even come to see me before we went into court. 1164 01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,490 He didn't tell me anything. 1165 01:04:21,528 --> 01:04:25,238 He wanted to make sure my reaction and my response 1166 01:04:25,281 --> 01:04:27,371 was as real and raw as possible. 1167 01:04:27,409 --> 01:04:31,249 So he didn't want me to be prepped for this. 1168 01:04:31,287 --> 01:04:37,167 ** 1169 01:04:37,210 --> 01:04:40,050 What I'm feeling in that moment 1170 01:04:40,088 --> 01:04:43,588 listening to Jose Baez tell the world... 1171 01:04:45,135 --> 01:04:49,175 ...about the abuse that I suffered... 1172 01:04:49,222 --> 01:04:51,522 it was absolute shame. 1173 01:04:54,728 --> 01:04:59,608 I remember that feeling like it was yesterday. 1174 01:05:01,693 --> 01:05:04,953 There's always going to be that part of me that's... 1175 01:05:04,988 --> 01:05:09,488 going to feel like I'm not enough because of what happened. 1176 01:05:09,534 --> 01:05:11,374 Not good enough 1177 01:05:11,411 --> 01:05:13,791 because of all of the things that have happened to me. 1178 01:05:13,830 --> 01:05:16,620 -Not good enough for what? 1179 01:05:16,666 --> 01:05:18,836 -Just not good enough, 1180 01:05:18,877 --> 01:05:23,417 that I'm...tarnished... 1181 01:05:23,465 --> 01:05:25,505 tainted. 1182 01:05:26,676 --> 01:05:31,806 That's a really, really, really hard moment. 1183 01:05:32,974 --> 01:05:36,274 -It was the deepest, darkest secrets that she held, 1184 01:05:36,311 --> 01:05:39,941 laid out bare in front of the public. 1185 01:05:39,981 --> 01:05:42,281 Her chin started to shiver. 1186 01:05:42,317 --> 01:05:44,737 I could see the tears coming. 1187 01:05:44,778 --> 01:05:48,778 And it was the first time I saw that whatever defense mechanism 1188 01:05:48,823 --> 01:05:50,083 she had built over the years 1189 01:05:50,116 --> 01:05:53,576 were not gonna be working for her anymore. 1190 01:05:53,620 --> 01:05:56,790 -The jury understood the relevance 1191 01:05:56,831 --> 01:05:59,671 of the innocent until proven guilty standards 1192 01:05:59,709 --> 01:06:02,799 and that Caylee's death was shocking. 1193 01:06:02,837 --> 01:06:04,877 Casey was -- was stunned. 1194 01:06:04,923 --> 01:06:07,803 Young people who are not trained on how to deal with trauma 1195 01:06:07,842 --> 01:06:10,682 simply shut down and pretend it didn't occur. 1196 01:06:10,720 --> 01:06:13,140 If someone can't deal with a trauma like that 1197 01:06:13,181 --> 01:06:15,021 because they are so close to their child 1198 01:06:15,058 --> 01:06:18,598 and they love their child so very much, 1199 01:06:18,645 --> 01:06:20,475 that says that they are a good mother, 1200 01:06:20,522 --> 01:06:22,072 not a bad mother. 1201 01:06:30,907 --> 01:06:32,527 -It just resonated with me 1202 01:06:32,575 --> 01:06:35,405 that this was a very loving mother. 1203 01:06:37,080 --> 01:06:39,870 We don't think that girl killed that baby. 1204 01:06:39,916 --> 01:06:42,036 So what happened? 1205 01:06:42,085 --> 01:06:44,295 I think that an accident could have happened. 1206 01:06:44,337 --> 01:06:46,967 And I just want to see the facts, the evidence, 1207 01:06:47,007 --> 01:06:48,627 talk to witnesses. 1208 01:06:48,675 --> 01:06:50,425 I want to find out more. 1209 01:06:50,468 --> 01:06:54,388 -Pat McKenna did the hard work of showing up, 1210 01:06:54,431 --> 01:06:56,981 talking to people who don't want to get involved, 1211 01:06:57,017 --> 01:07:00,147 seeing what their stories are and what their truth is, 1212 01:07:00,186 --> 01:07:01,686 and figuring out if there's evidence 1213 01:07:01,730 --> 01:07:03,360 that supports this case. 1214 01:07:03,398 --> 01:07:06,438 He located Krystal Holloway. 1215 01:07:06,484 --> 01:07:08,574 -What do we know about this woman? 1216 01:07:08,611 --> 01:07:11,161 They claim she had an affair with George Anthony. 1217 01:07:11,197 --> 01:07:12,907 -During this whole fiasco, 1218 01:07:12,949 --> 01:07:16,329 George has an affair with this woman, Krystal Holloway. 1219 01:07:16,369 --> 01:07:19,079 -I'm told that he visited her many times 1220 01:07:19,122 --> 01:07:20,502 at her gated community. 1221 01:07:20,540 --> 01:07:22,540 -He's unburdening himself to this woman, 1222 01:07:22,584 --> 01:07:25,754 figuring this will never come out anywhere. 1223 01:07:25,795 --> 01:07:27,545 So when I go to talk to her, 1224 01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:31,339 I learn from Krystal what really happened to Caylee. 1225 01:07:33,636 --> 01:07:35,216 -She had information that was important. 1226 01:07:35,263 --> 01:07:36,933 She said George told her 1227 01:07:36,973 --> 01:07:40,063 that this was an accident that spiraled out of control. 1228 01:07:40,101 --> 01:07:43,271 -When Krystal Holloway took the stand 1229 01:07:43,313 --> 01:07:45,193 and told her story, 1230 01:07:45,231 --> 01:07:49,861 it was really clear that she was doing her level best 1231 01:07:49,903 --> 01:07:51,243 to tell her truth, 1232 01:07:51,279 --> 01:07:53,529 even though it was so far outside of anything 1233 01:07:53,573 --> 01:07:56,283 she was actually comfortable with. 1234 01:07:56,326 --> 01:07:58,406 Without Krystal Holloway coming in, 1235 01:07:58,453 --> 01:08:01,793 I'm not sure where we would have ultimately landed. 1236 01:08:01,831 --> 01:08:05,881 Casey has never told me what happened with Caylee, 1237 01:08:05,919 --> 01:08:09,419 but I think the evidence and the science support 1238 01:08:09,464 --> 01:08:14,474 that it was most likely an accidental drowning 1239 01:08:14,511 --> 01:08:18,891 that really did snowball out of control, where no one acted 1240 01:08:18,932 --> 01:08:22,442 like you're supposed to act when an accident happens. 1241 01:08:26,314 --> 01:08:27,524 -I mean, look at the facts. 1242 01:08:27,565 --> 01:08:30,395 This child was found without shoes. 1243 01:08:30,443 --> 01:08:32,113 The remains had no shoes. 1244 01:08:32,153 --> 01:08:35,123 She could clearly open the door to get out to the pool. 1245 01:08:35,156 --> 01:08:39,076 We have the photograph. She can open the door to go outside. 1246 01:08:39,119 --> 01:08:42,539 Cindy mentioned something like that to the people at work 1247 01:08:42,580 --> 01:08:44,620 and to the police a few days later. 1248 01:08:55,552 --> 01:08:59,512 I believe the most likely thing that happened in this case 1249 01:08:59,556 --> 01:09:03,096 is that the child accidentally drowned. 1250 01:09:03,143 --> 01:09:04,603 That's what I believe. 1251 01:09:07,147 --> 01:09:09,317 -Mr. Baez, you may proceed. 1252 01:09:11,735 --> 01:09:14,775 -Caylee Anthony died on June 16, 2008, 1253 01:09:14,821 --> 01:09:18,161 when she drowned in her family's swimming pool. 1254 01:09:18,199 --> 01:09:19,619 Unfortunately, it's far too common. 1255 01:09:19,659 --> 01:09:21,699 In fact, in the state of Florida, 1256 01:09:21,745 --> 01:09:25,075 it is the number-one way that children die, 1257 01:09:25,123 --> 01:09:28,923 is drowning in swimming pools. 1258 01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:30,960 We hear about it every day. 1259 01:09:31,004 --> 01:09:34,474 We hear of a story on the news or we'll see a little blurb 1260 01:09:34,507 --> 01:09:37,887 on the newspaper about some poor child 1261 01:09:37,927 --> 01:09:41,177 who accidentally drowned in the family swimming pool. 1262 01:09:41,222 --> 01:09:46,482 -A bombshell revelation from Casey Anthony's lead attorney, 1263 01:09:46,519 --> 01:09:48,809 who now claims 2-year-old Caylee Anthony 1264 01:09:48,855 --> 01:09:53,565 drowned in her family's swimming pool in June of 2008. 1265 01:09:53,610 --> 01:09:55,070 -You know, the defense made the argument 1266 01:09:55,111 --> 01:09:57,741 that she drowned in a pool, which is interesting, 1267 01:09:57,781 --> 01:09:59,871 because we gave her that as an option. 1268 01:10:13,004 --> 01:10:15,344 But she was adamant that that didn't occur. 1269 01:10:17,050 --> 01:10:20,390 Look, I'm not a psychologist, but you're gonna tell me 1270 01:10:20,428 --> 01:10:23,308 that what really happened was, 1271 01:10:23,348 --> 01:10:25,518 after my child drowned in the pool, 1272 01:10:25,558 --> 01:10:28,438 I stuck her in a laundry bag and dumped her in the woods 1273 01:10:28,478 --> 01:10:30,518 and spent the next month partying? 1274 01:10:32,857 --> 01:10:35,487 -There are too many scenarios of what could have happened 1275 01:10:35,527 --> 01:10:37,947 but her drowning in the pool is not one. 1276 01:10:37,987 --> 01:10:39,407 It's not possible. 1277 01:10:41,825 --> 01:10:44,405 In most scenarios, it would be plausible. 1278 01:10:44,452 --> 01:10:45,622 Not in this one. 1279 01:10:45,662 --> 01:10:47,372 The ladder wasn't on the pool. 1280 01:10:47,414 --> 01:10:50,384 It's the only way in or out for her or for me. 1281 01:10:50,417 --> 01:10:53,747 -So why let Jose Baez and your defense team 1282 01:10:53,795 --> 01:10:55,955 make that argument again and again? 1283 01:10:56,006 --> 01:10:57,916 -My mom was the first one that floated the theory 1284 01:10:57,966 --> 01:10:59,466 that she could have drowned in the pool. 1285 01:10:59,509 --> 01:11:01,049 He went with what my mom said. 1286 01:11:01,094 --> 01:11:04,064 He had to explain something. 1287 01:11:04,097 --> 01:11:07,597 You can't just tell the jury, "She doesn't know." 1288 01:11:07,642 --> 01:11:10,902 -So what was your thought on why she was wet? 1289 01:11:10,937 --> 01:11:15,687 -It's something I still can't piece together. 1290 01:11:15,734 --> 01:11:17,444 I wasn't the only one home. 1291 01:11:17,485 --> 01:11:18,945 I'm not outright accusing him of murder, 1292 01:11:18,987 --> 01:11:22,317 but it wasn't an accident in the pool. 1293 01:11:22,365 --> 01:11:24,655 ** 1294 01:11:29,831 --> 01:11:32,421 -I don't believe my daughter could hurt anyone. 1295 01:11:32,459 --> 01:11:33,959 I really don't believe that. 1296 01:11:34,002 --> 01:11:35,342 -In this interview, 1297 01:11:35,378 --> 01:11:36,838 my father's telling the truth of my innocence, 1298 01:11:36,880 --> 01:11:39,090 that law enforcement went after me. 1299 01:11:39,132 --> 01:11:41,552 But yet, he testified in front of the grand jury 1300 01:11:41,593 --> 01:11:43,513 almost two months before this. 1301 01:11:43,553 --> 01:11:45,853 He was the state of Florida's first witness against me. 1302 01:11:45,889 --> 01:11:47,639 -He's telling the media that Casey's innocent, 1303 01:11:47,682 --> 01:11:48,932 but then he's going to the police 1304 01:11:48,975 --> 01:11:50,515 and telling them that Casey's guilty. 1305 01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:52,940 This is something that nobody ever noticed. 1306 01:11:52,979 --> 01:11:56,319 -George Anthony was the first witness on the stand. 1307 01:11:56,358 --> 01:12:00,068 -George testified a handful of times. 1308 01:12:00,111 --> 01:12:02,911 Why didn't the media notice the differences? 1309 01:12:02,947 --> 01:12:05,447 -I'm sitting there staring daggers at this man 1310 01:12:05,492 --> 01:12:07,122 'cause I'm one of the only people 1311 01:12:07,160 --> 01:12:09,620 who knows the truth about who and what he is. 1312 01:12:09,662 --> 01:12:13,462 It took so long for me to get to that point. 1313 01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:16,130 It's like you have Stockholm Syndrome. 1314 01:12:16,169 --> 01:12:17,629 Why didn't he call 911? 1315 01:12:17,671 --> 01:12:20,341 I wasn't the only one that was home. 1316 01:12:20,382 --> 01:12:21,972 And why after all this time, 1317 01:12:22,008 --> 01:12:25,008 keep blaming me for something I didn't do? 1318 01:12:27,389 --> 01:12:29,469 Why? 1319 01:12:31,851 --> 01:12:34,441 [ Crying ]