1 00:00:08,425 --> 00:00:15,715 ** 2 00:00:15,765 --> 00:00:23,145 ** 3 00:00:23,189 --> 00:00:26,029 -Just waiting for Casey. 4 00:00:26,067 --> 00:00:28,067 No sign of her yet. 5 00:00:28,111 --> 00:00:34,621 ** 6 00:00:34,659 --> 00:00:40,999 ** 7 00:00:41,041 --> 00:00:43,131 -[ Sighs ] 8 00:00:43,168 --> 00:00:50,838 ** 9 00:00:50,884 --> 00:00:53,304 Okay. 10 00:00:53,345 --> 00:00:55,255 Yeah, that works. 11 00:00:56,639 --> 00:00:59,309 I have some stuff I can put up. 12 00:00:59,351 --> 00:01:01,771 I can work with that. 13 00:01:01,811 --> 00:01:07,481 ** 14 00:01:07,525 --> 00:01:12,945 ** 15 00:01:12,989 --> 00:01:14,869 Bedding, for sure. 16 00:01:17,118 --> 00:01:19,788 I have part of my life in several bags. 17 00:01:21,456 --> 00:01:24,536 Some of the most priceless things that I have. 18 00:01:24,584 --> 00:01:25,844 -Why? 19 00:01:25,877 --> 00:01:28,457 -Some of the only things I have left of Caylee. 20 00:01:28,505 --> 00:01:34,545 ** 21 00:01:34,594 --> 00:01:37,394 -This one. 22 00:01:37,430 --> 00:01:40,640 -Casey, why not just do the interview at your house? 23 00:01:41,518 --> 00:01:44,228 -Um, I like my privacy. 24 00:01:44,270 --> 00:01:46,820 Um, I also have a roommate 25 00:01:46,856 --> 00:01:50,776 whose privacy I take very, very seriously. 26 00:01:53,405 --> 00:01:56,985 And that's also my safe space 27 00:01:57,033 --> 00:02:00,413 away from the outside world, 28 00:02:00,453 --> 00:02:03,293 away from anything scary. 29 00:02:03,331 --> 00:02:10,511 ** 30 00:02:10,547 --> 00:02:13,377 This was up in my mom's house. 31 00:02:13,425 --> 00:02:15,255 Caylee was just a few months old here. 32 00:02:15,301 --> 00:02:19,681 I've had this up since 2005. 33 00:02:19,723 --> 00:02:21,983 And it's gone with me everywhere I've gone. 34 00:02:22,017 --> 00:02:23,847 So... 35 00:02:23,893 --> 00:02:25,813 This... 36 00:02:25,854 --> 00:02:27,114 [ Chuckles ] 37 00:02:27,147 --> 00:02:28,727 This is one of my favorite pictures 38 00:02:28,773 --> 00:02:32,823 because she just had this look of angst on her face, 39 00:02:32,861 --> 00:02:34,531 like, "You're stopping me for what? 40 00:02:34,571 --> 00:02:36,321 To take my picture again." 41 00:02:36,364 --> 00:02:38,834 Her Princess Leia wig. Two-layered tutu. 42 00:02:38,867 --> 00:02:40,907 She's actually wearing butterfly wings that you can't see. 43 00:02:40,952 --> 00:02:43,662 The pink cowboy boots. I let her dress herself. 44 00:02:43,705 --> 00:02:45,825 She's running around screaming, 45 00:02:45,874 --> 00:02:47,834 having the time of her life on my mom's porch. 46 00:02:47,876 --> 00:02:50,166 And I asked her to stop so I could get a picture. 47 00:02:50,211 --> 00:02:52,881 And she does this. This. 48 00:02:52,922 --> 00:02:55,052 Makes this face. 49 00:02:55,091 --> 00:02:58,681 And then I go, "Okay, bye." And runs around again. 50 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,680 Like the little fairy princess that she was. 51 00:03:01,723 --> 00:03:05,063 Thankfully, I have things like this to look back at, 52 00:03:05,101 --> 00:03:06,561 things like this. 53 00:03:08,313 --> 00:03:09,613 These moments that I had with her. 54 00:03:09,647 --> 00:03:11,517 I was with her when she did this. 55 00:03:11,566 --> 00:03:14,526 We broke probably every single one of these crayons. 56 00:03:14,569 --> 00:03:19,239 Those moments were happy, innocent. 57 00:03:19,282 --> 00:03:21,742 There was no trauma. 58 00:03:21,785 --> 00:03:25,705 There was no darkness in those moments. 59 00:03:25,747 --> 00:03:30,127 And too much of her memory is surrounded by that now. 60 00:03:30,168 --> 00:03:34,548 ** 61 00:03:34,589 --> 00:03:36,089 -Our top story this morning. 62 00:03:36,132 --> 00:03:37,552 A 2-year-old girl is missing, 63 00:03:37,592 --> 00:03:39,642 and detectives say her mother has provided them 64 00:03:39,678 --> 00:03:42,098 with more lies than information. 65 00:03:43,306 --> 00:03:46,386 -Casey Anthony reported her 3-year-old daughter missing 66 00:03:46,434 --> 00:03:47,814 in mid-July. 67 00:03:47,852 --> 00:03:50,442 -The child was reported missing 31 days late. 68 00:03:55,110 --> 00:03:57,780 -Investigators said she'd given them bogus information 69 00:03:57,821 --> 00:04:01,241 about her employer and where she dropped off the child. 70 00:04:01,282 --> 00:04:03,372 -Casey kept on going out and having fun 71 00:04:03,410 --> 00:04:06,080 while her daughter was missing. 72 00:04:06,121 --> 00:04:08,871 -Caylee's remains were hidden in the woods. 73 00:04:08,915 --> 00:04:11,745 -Mother Casey Anthony has been charged with her murder. 74 00:04:11,793 --> 00:04:15,133 -Caylee died because her mother decided 75 00:04:15,171 --> 00:04:18,171 that the life that she wanted was more important. 76 00:04:18,216 --> 00:04:19,426 -Justice for Caylee! 77 00:04:19,467 --> 00:04:21,547 -This is the Super Bowl of trials. 78 00:04:21,594 --> 00:04:24,604 -The most famous murder case since O.J. Simpson. 79 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:26,679 -The jury is entering the courtroom right now. 80 00:04:26,725 --> 00:04:29,555 This is the Casey Anthony trial verdict coming back. 81 00:04:30,812 --> 00:04:32,732 -As to the charge of first-degree murder, 82 00:04:32,772 --> 00:04:35,782 we, the jury, find the defendant not guilty. 83 00:04:37,068 --> 00:04:38,278 [ All gasping ] 84 00:04:38,319 --> 00:04:41,239 -No regard at all for that baby. 85 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:43,281 What is wrong with these people? 86 00:04:43,324 --> 00:04:46,454 -The devil is dancing tonight. 87 00:04:46,494 --> 00:04:48,964 -Casey Anthony has enemies worldwide now. 88 00:04:48,997 --> 00:04:51,827 -She better start buying a condo in Zimbabwe 89 00:04:51,875 --> 00:04:53,955 because there's nowhere in Florida 90 00:04:54,002 --> 00:04:55,632 this woman would be able to live. 91 00:04:55,670 --> 00:04:58,470 -Casey Anthony has stayed out of the public eye. 92 00:04:58,506 --> 00:05:01,046 She has not done a single on-camera interview 93 00:05:01,092 --> 00:05:03,682 since she was acquitted in her murder trial. 94 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:05,720 -Casey's never told her story. 95 00:05:05,764 --> 00:05:07,604 There's questions like, 96 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,600 well, does she have something to hide? 97 00:05:09,642 --> 00:05:11,312 -She completely disappeared. 98 00:05:11,353 --> 00:05:13,813 And actions speak louder than words. 99 00:05:13,855 --> 00:05:16,395 -If you could speak to Casey now, what would you say to her? 100 00:05:16,441 --> 00:05:18,491 -Listen, I think I would just ask her, 101 00:05:18,526 --> 00:05:21,356 "Look, just tell us why." 102 00:05:21,404 --> 00:05:22,614 -Why what? 103 00:05:22,655 --> 00:05:24,235 -Why you killed your daughter. 104 00:05:24,282 --> 00:05:33,042 ** 105 00:05:33,083 --> 00:05:41,423 ** 106 00:05:41,466 --> 00:05:43,216 -All right, Katie, do you want to slate? 107 00:05:43,259 --> 00:05:44,889 -I'm about to. 108 00:05:47,430 --> 00:05:49,390 -Okay. 109 00:05:49,432 --> 00:05:53,602 Casey interview. ABC marker, soft sticks. 110 00:05:59,567 --> 00:06:00,817 -Why talk to me now 111 00:06:00,860 --> 00:06:03,570 when you're not getting creative control? 112 00:06:05,573 --> 00:06:08,663 -I just need someone to be willing to listen. 113 00:06:10,412 --> 00:06:11,622 And I've spent the last 10 years 114 00:06:11,663 --> 00:06:14,923 making sure that I knew who I was. 115 00:06:14,958 --> 00:06:17,958 That I started to cope with this loss. 116 00:06:18,003 --> 00:06:21,553 And that I had something to say to make my daughter proud, 117 00:06:21,589 --> 00:06:24,299 but also to honor her properly. 118 00:06:24,342 --> 00:06:26,852 And this is part of that. 119 00:06:26,886 --> 00:06:30,716 It's hard because a thousand questions go through my head. 120 00:06:30,765 --> 00:06:33,265 I'm responsible for answering every-- 121 00:06:33,309 --> 00:06:35,189 everyone in the world's questions 122 00:06:35,228 --> 00:06:38,898 about her, about what happened. 123 00:06:40,275 --> 00:06:42,025 I still don't know. 124 00:06:42,068 --> 00:06:46,198 -What? -What happened to Caylee. 125 00:06:46,239 --> 00:06:48,489 I know what I'm afraid of. 126 00:06:48,533 --> 00:06:50,163 I know what eats at me at night. 127 00:06:50,201 --> 00:06:53,541 I know what eats at me day after day. 128 00:06:53,580 --> 00:06:55,580 Because I know what I lived through. 129 00:06:55,623 --> 00:07:00,593 ** 130 00:07:00,628 --> 00:07:03,798 [ Insects chirping ] 131 00:07:03,840 --> 00:07:10,930 ** 132 00:07:10,972 --> 00:07:13,352 -All right. Where are we going? -That way. Only one way. 133 00:07:13,391 --> 00:07:15,141 -All right, let's do it. 134 00:07:17,896 --> 00:07:20,726 -Oh, great. -I've never seen any. 135 00:07:20,774 --> 00:07:22,114 I've been coming here for over a year. 136 00:07:22,150 --> 00:07:24,530 I've never seen an alligator. We're fine. 137 00:07:24,569 --> 00:07:29,989 ** 138 00:07:30,033 --> 00:07:31,953 -How often do you do a hike like this? 139 00:07:31,993 --> 00:07:34,043 -I come here quite a bit. I have a few other places 140 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:37,289 I like to go to that are secluded. 141 00:07:37,332 --> 00:07:39,672 There usually aren't people. 142 00:07:41,920 --> 00:07:47,680 I've had really bad social anxiety for the last decade. 143 00:07:47,717 --> 00:07:51,007 Going to crowded places by myself 144 00:07:51,054 --> 00:07:54,644 is not something I feel comfortable doing anymore. 145 00:07:54,683 --> 00:07:57,483 [ Beep, shutter clicks ] 146 00:07:57,519 --> 00:08:00,309 I typically take pictures when I'm here. 147 00:08:00,355 --> 00:08:06,435 ** 148 00:08:06,486 --> 00:08:08,276 [ Camera shutter clicks ] 149 00:08:08,321 --> 00:08:10,741 ** 150 00:08:10,782 --> 00:08:12,832 -Casey, what's your tattoo? 151 00:08:12,867 --> 00:08:18,327 -This? It's peonies and half a mandala. 152 00:08:18,373 --> 00:08:21,503 Symbolizes growth, rebirth. 153 00:08:21,543 --> 00:08:23,593 [ Shutter clicks ] 154 00:08:23,628 --> 00:08:26,258 I have fought so hard for a normal life. 155 00:08:30,385 --> 00:08:33,215 My defense team was very adamant about making sure 156 00:08:33,263 --> 00:08:37,603 that I was able to have a fresh start after the trial. 157 00:08:37,642 --> 00:08:39,852 I didn't receive any help or assistance 158 00:08:39,894 --> 00:08:42,944 from my biological family. 159 00:08:42,981 --> 00:08:47,361 I was given a little bit of money from my defense team 160 00:08:47,402 --> 00:08:51,492 to start to get on my feet. 161 00:08:51,531 --> 00:08:57,371 They're not just my legal team, but my surrogate family here. 162 00:08:57,412 --> 00:09:00,212 -I found a little apartment just north of my house downtown by... 163 00:09:00,248 --> 00:09:03,838 -Pat McKenna was lead investigator during my case. 164 00:09:03,877 --> 00:09:05,167 I've been working for Pat McKenna 165 00:09:05,211 --> 00:09:08,211 as his research assistant for 10 1/2 years. 166 00:09:08,256 --> 00:09:11,176 -Okay, so I guess we'll make a file and printout. 167 00:09:11,217 --> 00:09:13,387 -Give me two seconds and I'll see if I can Word search 168 00:09:13,428 --> 00:09:14,758 the document and find it. 169 00:09:14,804 --> 00:09:16,854 I've worked a lot of cases over the years. 170 00:09:16,890 --> 00:09:19,020 It's the whole reason I'm doing what I'm doing now 171 00:09:19,059 --> 00:09:23,359 to pay forward everything that was done for me. 172 00:09:23,396 --> 00:09:25,606 I've spent the last 10 1/2 years 173 00:09:25,648 --> 00:09:28,438 doing primarily criminal defense work 174 00:09:28,485 --> 00:09:31,195 because I don't ever want to see someone be pigeonholed 175 00:09:31,237 --> 00:09:34,567 by not only law enforcement, but the media, 176 00:09:34,616 --> 00:09:36,786 be railroaded like I was. 177 00:09:38,620 --> 00:09:41,410 I like my life. 178 00:09:41,456 --> 00:09:45,916 At least there are moments where I feel like I'm not alone, 179 00:09:45,960 --> 00:09:48,920 where those holes in my heart that will never go away 180 00:09:48,963 --> 00:09:51,093 feel a little bit smaller. 181 00:09:51,132 --> 00:10:00,102 ** 182 00:10:00,141 --> 00:10:03,651 Caylee was born in August of 2005. 183 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:07,150 I was 19. 184 00:10:07,190 --> 00:10:12,820 ** 185 00:10:12,862 --> 00:10:15,872 The few pictures that I do have of me with her 186 00:10:15,907 --> 00:10:18,617 that other people took was when she was first born. 187 00:10:18,660 --> 00:10:27,960 ** 188 00:10:28,003 --> 00:10:31,343 That was the best decision that I ever made in my life, 189 00:10:31,381 --> 00:10:34,591 was having a kid, was becoming a mom. 190 00:10:34,634 --> 00:10:40,564 ** 191 00:10:40,598 --> 00:10:42,308 She was perfect. 192 00:10:45,812 --> 00:10:48,482 [ Chuckles ] 193 00:10:48,523 --> 00:10:49,733 [ Sighs ] 194 00:10:49,774 --> 00:10:51,694 [ Sniffles ] 195 00:10:51,735 --> 00:10:53,855 The only person in this world 196 00:10:53,903 --> 00:10:57,533 that matters to me still is my daughter. 197 00:10:57,574 --> 00:11:01,754 But I'm still defending the fact that I didn't hurt her. 198 00:11:01,786 --> 00:11:05,996 I live it every single day. 199 00:11:06,041 --> 00:11:08,081 And no one can ever tell me 200 00:11:08,126 --> 00:11:10,996 I should just get over the fact that my daughter isn't here 201 00:11:11,046 --> 00:11:14,546 and I've been blamed for her being gone. 202 00:11:14,591 --> 00:11:20,851 ** 203 00:11:20,889 --> 00:11:28,479 ** 204 00:11:28,521 --> 00:11:37,071 ** 205 00:11:37,113 --> 00:11:39,743 -My name is John Allen. 206 00:11:39,783 --> 00:11:41,993 At the time of the Anthony case, 207 00:11:42,035 --> 00:11:44,995 I was a sergeant at the Orange County Sheriff's Office, 208 00:11:45,038 --> 00:11:49,578 and I supervised the Anthony investigation. 209 00:11:49,626 --> 00:11:51,956 It was an odd story. 210 00:11:52,003 --> 00:11:53,593 Certainly, the night this happened, 211 00:11:53,630 --> 00:11:56,590 nobody thought it would turn out the way that it's turned out. 212 00:12:00,387 --> 00:12:05,887 On July 15, 2008, Cindy Anthony, Caylee's grandmother, 213 00:12:05,934 --> 00:12:07,644 called 911. 214 00:12:25,745 --> 00:12:29,035 ** 215 00:12:29,082 --> 00:12:31,672 -What we believe we have at this point is a 3-year-old 216 00:12:31,710 --> 00:12:34,590 that's been missing for a month. Didn't make sense. 217 00:12:34,629 --> 00:12:37,839 I mean, you know, usually, when a child goes missing, 218 00:12:37,882 --> 00:12:40,052 parents report it right away. 219 00:13:01,906 --> 00:13:10,076 ** 220 00:13:10,123 --> 00:13:13,293 -So here we are at Hopespring Drive, 221 00:13:13,335 --> 00:13:15,835 the Anthony home. 222 00:13:15,879 --> 00:13:17,339 My name's Eric Edwards. 223 00:13:17,380 --> 00:13:19,880 One of the homicide investigators came to my desk 224 00:13:19,924 --> 00:13:24,934 and said, "Are you aware of what John Allen and Yuri have going?" 225 00:13:24,971 --> 00:13:26,391 That night, Yuri Melich 226 00:13:26,431 --> 00:13:29,731 was the on-call missing persons investigator. 227 00:13:29,768 --> 00:13:32,058 He spent a great deal of time with Casey 228 00:13:32,103 --> 00:13:33,483 trying to collect information 229 00:13:33,521 --> 00:13:36,021 that may lead to the location of Caylee. 230 00:13:36,066 --> 00:13:43,696 ** 231 00:14:06,179 --> 00:14:09,269 ** 232 00:14:09,307 --> 00:14:14,147 At that point, Yuri affords Casey an opportunity to take him 233 00:14:14,187 --> 00:14:17,607 to several locations in the Orlando area 234 00:14:17,649 --> 00:14:22,779 in an effort to try to determine where the child may be. 235 00:14:22,821 --> 00:14:30,541 ** 236 00:14:30,578 --> 00:14:32,578 -He drove her to the apartment where Casey said 237 00:14:32,622 --> 00:14:34,582 she had dropped Caylee off. 238 00:14:34,624 --> 00:14:36,794 There was no Zenaida Gonzalez that lived at the place. 239 00:14:36,835 --> 00:14:40,165 In fact, that apartment had been vacant for months. 240 00:14:42,590 --> 00:14:45,430 And of course, we learned pretty quickly 241 00:14:45,468 --> 00:14:47,928 that she was lying about a lot of things. 242 00:14:50,598 --> 00:14:52,558 In Yuri's interview with her, 243 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,980 Casey said she worked at Universal Studios. 244 00:14:56,021 --> 00:14:58,651 And, so, that morning, Detective Melich went 245 00:14:58,690 --> 00:15:00,820 to Universal and found out that she -- 246 00:15:00,859 --> 00:15:03,109 that she wasn't an employee, she didn't work there. 247 00:15:03,153 --> 00:15:05,703 So I told him to stay there and I would go pick her up 248 00:15:05,739 --> 00:15:07,449 and I would bring her to Universal 249 00:15:07,490 --> 00:15:10,410 and we would see what she would do, how she would react, 250 00:15:10,452 --> 00:15:12,332 thinking, at that point, 251 00:15:12,370 --> 00:15:13,830 she would admit that she was making it up 252 00:15:13,872 --> 00:15:15,622 and she didn't really work there. 253 00:15:15,665 --> 00:15:17,165 But that's not the reaction we got. 254 00:15:17,208 --> 00:15:19,998 She said, "Oh, yeah, fine." 255 00:15:20,045 --> 00:15:22,505 We walk into the HR building 256 00:15:22,547 --> 00:15:25,507 where she has told us she has an office, 257 00:15:25,550 --> 00:15:27,390 and she's kind of waving at people, 258 00:15:27,427 --> 00:15:28,887 and they are waving back. 259 00:15:28,928 --> 00:15:31,348 I mean, but they're like, you know, they're waving like... 260 00:15:31,389 --> 00:15:33,219 You could tell by their expressions 261 00:15:33,266 --> 00:15:35,016 that, you know, she doesn't work in the building. 262 00:15:35,060 --> 00:15:38,440 She's not somebody known to the people in there. 263 00:15:40,023 --> 00:15:43,363 We actually turn down a hallway where there's nowhere to go. 264 00:15:43,401 --> 00:15:45,111 It's a dead-end hall. 265 00:15:45,153 --> 00:15:46,453 Casey turned and looked at us 266 00:15:46,488 --> 00:15:49,528 and said, "I don't really work here, so..." 267 00:15:53,244 --> 00:15:55,464 She was arrested for lying to Yuri 268 00:15:55,497 --> 00:15:59,377 during the course of that portion of the investigation. 269 00:15:59,417 --> 00:16:03,877 -Why do you think Casey felt the need to lie? 270 00:16:03,922 --> 00:16:06,382 -Why do I think she felt the need to lie? 271 00:16:06,424 --> 00:16:07,684 I mean, listen, I -- 272 00:16:07,717 --> 00:16:10,047 Look, I think she killed her daughter 273 00:16:10,095 --> 00:16:13,425 and she didn't get in trouble, she didn't want to get caught. 274 00:16:13,473 --> 00:16:19,563 Certainly that -- that would be a motive to lie. 275 00:16:19,604 --> 00:16:21,484 -Casey Anthony held her head high 276 00:16:21,523 --> 00:16:23,073 after being arrested yesterday, 277 00:16:23,108 --> 00:16:26,568 charged with child neglect and lying to the authorities. 278 00:16:26,611 --> 00:16:29,861 So far, investigators had no luck locating that friend 279 00:16:29,906 --> 00:16:31,986 who was supposedly caring for the young girl. 280 00:16:32,033 --> 00:16:34,083 And it's just one more element in a strange story 281 00:16:34,119 --> 00:16:36,909 that has even the woman's own mother concerned. 282 00:16:36,955 --> 00:16:39,035 -Maybe she's confused, maybe she's sick. 283 00:16:39,082 --> 00:16:43,132 Maybe something's happened that she doesn't know. 284 00:16:43,169 --> 00:16:46,379 [ Line ringing ] 285 00:16:46,423 --> 00:16:47,723 Hello? 286 00:16:47,757 --> 00:16:49,257 -Hello. This is a free call from... 287 00:16:49,300 --> 00:16:51,010 -Casey. 288 00:16:51,052 --> 00:16:53,472 -...an inmate from the Orange County Correctional Center. 289 00:17:32,886 --> 00:17:39,346 ** 290 00:17:39,392 --> 00:17:43,692 -That's the first time Casey called her family from the jail. 291 00:17:43,730 --> 00:17:46,570 Did you get the impression that she was as upset 292 00:17:46,608 --> 00:17:48,318 and worried about her daughter as her mother 293 00:17:48,360 --> 00:17:50,320 and her friend were? 294 00:17:50,362 --> 00:17:52,242 Um... 295 00:17:52,280 --> 00:17:56,490 [ Chuckling ] I think this is her being herself. 296 00:17:56,534 --> 00:18:04,924 ** 297 00:18:04,959 --> 00:18:12,969 ** 298 00:18:13,009 --> 00:18:16,049 -I can remember where I was in my home office 299 00:18:16,096 --> 00:18:19,516 when I saw that there was this woman taken into custody, 300 00:18:19,557 --> 00:18:23,477 child neglect, and a child missing for 30 days, 301 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:24,900 not reported. 302 00:18:24,938 --> 00:18:27,398 At that time, I was an investigative reporter 303 00:18:27,440 --> 00:18:29,530 at WKMG in Orlando. 304 00:18:29,567 --> 00:18:33,107 I wanted to find out more about this family. 305 00:18:35,281 --> 00:18:37,121 George and Cindy. 306 00:18:37,158 --> 00:18:41,618 Early on, they were grandparents who wanted to know, 307 00:18:41,663 --> 00:18:44,503 they said, where their granddaughter was. 308 00:18:44,541 --> 00:18:47,211 -I will walk every inch of this Earth 309 00:18:47,252 --> 00:18:50,762 and open every door and knock on every door. 310 00:18:50,797 --> 00:18:54,467 And I will look in every nook and cranny... 311 00:18:56,344 --> 00:18:59,514 ...until I find her. 312 00:18:59,556 --> 00:19:01,676 -You know, they presented to the public 313 00:19:01,725 --> 00:19:05,345 as people who didn't know what happened 314 00:19:05,395 --> 00:19:07,105 and wanted to find Caylee. 315 00:19:07,147 --> 00:19:09,517 -If you could wear this... -I would, I would love to. 316 00:19:09,566 --> 00:19:11,226 -...I would deeply appreciate it. 317 00:19:11,276 --> 00:19:16,066 -And then you have this emotional outpouring 318 00:19:16,114 --> 00:19:18,624 on behalf of Caylee. 319 00:19:18,658 --> 00:19:22,948 -Here are the facts. Caylee is missing. 320 00:19:22,996 --> 00:19:25,536 -100 showed up at the Anthonys' tonight to pray. 321 00:19:25,582 --> 00:19:27,332 -I've just been keeping in contact 322 00:19:27,375 --> 00:19:28,665 with this story every day. 323 00:19:28,710 --> 00:19:30,590 She's just a precious little angel 324 00:19:30,628 --> 00:19:34,008 that needs support from all around. 325 00:19:37,344 --> 00:19:40,564 -Because of social media, 326 00:19:40,597 --> 00:19:42,177 this took on a life of its own, 327 00:19:42,223 --> 00:19:44,773 where you had these pictures of this beautiful little girl. 328 00:19:44,809 --> 00:19:48,099 You can remember the video of Caylee singing. 329 00:19:48,146 --> 00:19:54,396 -* Please don't take my sunshine away * 330 00:19:54,444 --> 00:19:56,204 -Do you hear her? -As a reporter, 331 00:19:56,237 --> 00:19:59,777 my job changed because it was, like, all-consuming -- 332 00:19:59,824 --> 00:20:02,794 find the next Casey Anthony story. 333 00:20:02,827 --> 00:20:06,247 Because that is what people were watching the news for. 334 00:20:06,289 --> 00:20:10,129 -At that time, we're able to re-create what Casey was doing 335 00:20:10,168 --> 00:20:12,798 and thinking and who she was talking to. 336 00:20:12,837 --> 00:20:15,917 The sheriff's office did a pretty thorough investigation 337 00:20:15,965 --> 00:20:20,845 of her phones, so we made a public-records request. 338 00:20:20,887 --> 00:20:23,057 One of Casey's former boyfriends, 339 00:20:23,098 --> 00:20:24,968 Ricardo Morales, told investigators 340 00:20:25,016 --> 00:20:28,136 that he got a message from Casey saying that she didn't feel 341 00:20:28,186 --> 00:20:29,846 she could participate fully with her friends 342 00:20:29,896 --> 00:20:31,436 because she was a mother. 343 00:20:31,481 --> 00:20:34,321 In early May, she's having a Facebook chat with another guy 344 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,609 and tells him that, "I'm going crazy over here. 345 00:20:37,654 --> 00:20:39,664 At least the kid is passed out." 346 00:20:39,698 --> 00:20:42,868 -Tonight, police named the mom, Casey Anthony, 347 00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:44,619 a person of interest. 348 00:20:44,661 --> 00:20:48,161 Where is 2-year-old Caylee? 349 00:20:48,206 --> 00:20:51,456 -The public thought that Casey didn't want to be a mother. 350 00:20:51,501 --> 00:20:53,841 We don't typically think of mothers as murderers. 351 00:20:53,878 --> 00:20:57,168 'Cause it was like, "Wait, did she murder her daughter?" 352 00:20:59,384 --> 00:21:00,894 -Good afternoon. 353 00:21:00,927 --> 00:21:04,677 We found more inconsistencies in the mother's story. 354 00:21:04,723 --> 00:21:06,853 So we continue to look for witnesses and people 355 00:21:06,891 --> 00:21:09,271 that may have additional information. 356 00:21:11,229 --> 00:21:13,649 We went back and we listened to the 911 tapes, 357 00:21:13,690 --> 00:21:17,280 and we hear Cindy's frantic voice. 358 00:21:24,409 --> 00:21:26,079 -She's saying that Casey's car 359 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:27,949 smells like there's been a dead body in it. 360 00:21:31,082 --> 00:21:34,462 -There's been some testimony about a car 361 00:21:34,502 --> 00:21:37,922 that Ms. Anthony had the use of. 362 00:21:37,964 --> 00:21:41,224 -It was a white Pontiac, and it was initially recovered 363 00:21:41,259 --> 00:21:43,759 at their residence on Hopespring Drive. 364 00:21:43,803 --> 00:21:46,263 We brought it in to our forensics bay. 365 00:21:46,306 --> 00:21:48,596 -When we walked into the forensics bay, 366 00:21:48,641 --> 00:21:51,061 it was clear to all of us, 367 00:21:51,102 --> 00:21:53,312 if you've smelled that odor before, 368 00:21:53,355 --> 00:21:56,515 it's pretty unmistakable. 369 00:21:56,566 --> 00:21:58,896 We brought cadaver dogs in. 370 00:21:58,943 --> 00:22:00,863 The dog will indicate to the handler in some way 371 00:22:00,904 --> 00:22:03,324 that maybe a dead body has been there. 372 00:22:03,365 --> 00:22:07,075 -He alerted to the odor of human decomposition. 373 00:22:07,118 --> 00:22:10,078 -In the trunk of that car? -Yes, ma'am. 374 00:22:10,121 --> 00:22:11,791 -This pointed us 375 00:22:11,831 --> 00:22:14,541 in the direction that this child is dead. 376 00:22:14,584 --> 00:22:15,924 And not only was she dead, 377 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:19,090 she had been in the trunk of Casey's car. 378 00:22:19,130 --> 00:22:23,680 And, so -- And, obviously, we couldn't say that for sure, 379 00:22:23,718 --> 00:22:26,598 but it seemed pretty likely. 380 00:22:26,638 --> 00:22:29,848 At this point, Casey was in jail. 381 00:22:29,891 --> 00:22:34,021 And we all believed that we arrested the right person. 382 00:22:40,902 --> 00:22:44,742 ** 383 00:22:44,781 --> 00:22:46,451 -Here we go. 384 00:22:46,491 --> 00:22:50,201 -Casey Anthony walked out of a Florida jail Friday morning. 385 00:22:50,245 --> 00:22:52,655 The mother of missing toddler Caylee Anthony 386 00:22:52,706 --> 00:22:55,376 was released on a $500,000 bond. 387 00:22:55,417 --> 00:22:59,627 -Hey, back off, you guys! Let her through! 388 00:22:59,671 --> 00:23:02,801 -Get out of our neighborhood! -We live here. 389 00:23:02,841 --> 00:23:04,131 -Tonight, the search for Caylee 390 00:23:04,175 --> 00:23:06,635 reaches a boiling point, as you can see and hear. 391 00:23:06,678 --> 00:23:09,218 Neighbors fighting back protesters demanding 392 00:23:09,264 --> 00:23:11,354 Casey Anthony's return to jail. 393 00:23:11,391 --> 00:23:14,391 Protesters feel Casey is hiding a horrible truth. 394 00:23:15,687 --> 00:23:17,307 -What? 395 00:23:17,355 --> 00:23:19,515 -She has completely removed herself 396 00:23:19,566 --> 00:23:23,236 from any normal emotion of a mother missing a child. 397 00:23:23,278 --> 00:23:25,528 And that is the most disturbing part for me. 398 00:23:25,572 --> 00:23:27,282 [ Horn honks ] 399 00:23:27,323 --> 00:23:29,493 -There was a lot of anger at Casey Anthony. 400 00:23:29,534 --> 00:23:32,414 How could she not call the police for 30 days? 401 00:23:32,454 --> 00:23:35,714 What was Casey doing during that time? 402 00:23:35,749 --> 00:23:41,379 ** 403 00:23:41,421 --> 00:23:44,221 -When I was asked to assist on this case, 404 00:23:44,257 --> 00:23:48,177 we interviewed friends, family members. 405 00:23:48,219 --> 00:23:50,179 The impression that I started to get 406 00:23:50,221 --> 00:23:53,561 was the existence of Caylee 407 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,520 was probably interfering with Casey's desire 408 00:23:56,561 --> 00:24:00,271 to be more socially active with people of her own age. 409 00:24:04,110 --> 00:24:06,030 From conducting these interviews, 410 00:24:06,071 --> 00:24:09,201 the day that I think whatever terrible happened to Caylee 411 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:10,830 was June 16th. 412 00:24:10,867 --> 00:24:15,367 And the last person other than Casey to see Caylee, 413 00:24:15,413 --> 00:24:18,173 that we're aware of, was George Anthony. 414 00:24:32,806 --> 00:24:35,176 ** 415 00:24:35,225 --> 00:24:38,395 -And looking at her desktop calendars, 416 00:24:38,436 --> 00:24:42,016 Casey was much busier and much more socially active 417 00:24:42,065 --> 00:24:44,395 after the 16th. 418 00:24:44,442 --> 00:24:46,492 When we looked at the Photobucket account, 419 00:24:46,528 --> 00:24:48,028 we could see the lifestyle 420 00:24:48,071 --> 00:24:50,201 that she was living during that period of time. 421 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,910 Partying and hanging out. 422 00:24:53,952 --> 00:24:55,702 During the 31 days, 423 00:24:55,745 --> 00:24:58,915 Casey ended up stealing a checkbook from a friend, 424 00:24:58,957 --> 00:25:00,377 Amy Huizenga. 425 00:25:07,549 --> 00:25:11,219 Casey was using funds that did not belong to her. 426 00:25:11,261 --> 00:25:12,971 You know, you see her going into stores. 427 00:25:13,013 --> 00:25:14,643 No child with her, 428 00:25:14,681 --> 00:25:19,141 not buying things that a mother would be buying for a child. 429 00:25:19,185 --> 00:25:21,095 Nothing. 430 00:25:21,146 --> 00:25:25,356 I have here that the 3rd of July 431 00:25:25,400 --> 00:25:28,860 is when she gets that tattoo, "Bella Vita." 432 00:25:28,903 --> 00:25:32,373 That means "the good life." 433 00:25:32,407 --> 00:25:34,407 Your child is missing. 434 00:25:34,451 --> 00:25:37,791 How do you get a tattoo, like a billboard, 435 00:25:37,829 --> 00:25:41,749 showing the world "I'm living the perfect life"? 436 00:25:41,791 --> 00:25:43,591 Who does that? 437 00:25:45,962 --> 00:25:49,302 And then, the activity picked up with Tony Lazzaro. 438 00:25:49,341 --> 00:25:52,181 Tony Lazzaro was Casey Anthony's boyfriend 439 00:25:52,218 --> 00:25:54,388 at the time that Caylee went missing. 440 00:25:54,429 --> 00:25:57,519 When they first met, Caylee was always with Casey. 441 00:25:57,557 --> 00:26:00,307 I just think -- boop -- it stopped, you know? 442 00:26:00,352 --> 00:26:02,152 And that being around the same time 443 00:26:02,187 --> 00:26:05,317 in the time frame where she started staying with him. 444 00:26:05,357 --> 00:26:08,227 So we interviewed Tony Lazzaro and friends, 445 00:26:08,276 --> 00:26:09,986 many friends about this. 446 00:26:10,028 --> 00:26:17,988 ** 447 00:26:18,036 --> 00:26:19,326 -My name is Clint House. 448 00:26:19,371 --> 00:26:22,711 I was Tony Lazzaro's former roommate. 449 00:26:22,749 --> 00:26:26,419 When I first found out that Caylee was missing, 450 00:26:26,461 --> 00:26:29,711 I was just absolutely blown away. 451 00:26:29,756 --> 00:26:31,676 It just doesn't make any sense. 452 00:26:31,716 --> 00:26:34,546 In the early beginnings of the relationship, 453 00:26:34,594 --> 00:26:36,184 Casey would bring Caylee over. 454 00:26:36,221 --> 00:26:40,561 I saw Casey doing flash cards with her, 455 00:26:40,600 --> 00:26:44,020 teaching her how to say words. 456 00:26:44,062 --> 00:26:46,562 And that just made me 457 00:26:46,606 --> 00:26:50,526 want to be that type of parent to my own child. 458 00:26:50,568 --> 00:26:52,778 -She always, you know, had a backpack 459 00:26:52,821 --> 00:26:55,031 with everything that Caylee needed 460 00:26:55,073 --> 00:26:57,243 whenever she brought her over to the apartment. 461 00:26:57,283 --> 00:27:00,373 She was such a good mom. 462 00:27:00,412 --> 00:27:03,752 But that month that Caylee -- 463 00:27:03,790 --> 00:27:06,540 when we found out that she had been missing, 464 00:27:06,584 --> 00:27:10,674 Casey showed no indication that anything was wrong. 465 00:27:10,714 --> 00:27:14,264 She was just living her life. 466 00:27:14,300 --> 00:27:17,180 We were all confused. We were like, "How is she missing?" 467 00:27:17,220 --> 00:27:22,520 -She did absolutely nothing in the search for her child. 468 00:27:23,435 --> 00:27:27,265 And that, I will never forgive her for. 469 00:27:27,313 --> 00:27:35,243 ** 470 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,280 -It was the right guilty verdict. 471 00:27:37,323 --> 00:27:38,743 I did lie to law enforcement. 472 00:27:38,783 --> 00:27:41,043 I admitted that I lied to law enforcement. 473 00:27:41,077 --> 00:27:45,577 So I am a convicted liar. It's the truth. 474 00:27:45,623 --> 00:27:50,753 -And what is your relationship to truth and lying today? 475 00:27:50,795 --> 00:27:55,085 -I'm a little too honest. I'm blunt. I'm direct. 476 00:27:55,133 --> 00:27:56,893 Almost painfully so. 477 00:27:59,012 --> 00:28:02,272 -Today, would you say Casey is an honest person? 478 00:28:02,307 --> 00:28:04,887 -Yes. -How honest? 479 00:28:04,934 --> 00:28:07,104 -I think she's very truthful today. 480 00:28:07,145 --> 00:28:09,725 I trust her so much 481 00:28:09,773 --> 00:28:12,403 that I trust her with my research, 482 00:28:12,442 --> 00:28:13,992 with my invoices. 483 00:28:14,027 --> 00:28:16,147 -So in the past 10 years, you've never caught her 484 00:28:16,196 --> 00:28:17,776 in an out-and-out lie? -Never. 485 00:28:17,822 --> 00:28:21,622 Not in 10 years, or however long it's been, yeah. 486 00:28:21,659 --> 00:28:25,249 I'm pretty good at catching lies. 487 00:28:25,288 --> 00:28:27,118 It's kind of my job. 488 00:28:27,165 --> 00:28:29,955 And she's very honest. 489 00:28:30,001 --> 00:28:34,881 ** 490 00:28:34,923 --> 00:28:36,973 -I lost my entire life when I lost Caylee. 491 00:28:37,008 --> 00:28:38,678 She was the only thing that truly 492 00:28:38,718 --> 00:28:42,098 and honestly mattered to me. 493 00:28:42,138 --> 00:28:45,928 ** 494 00:28:45,975 --> 00:28:49,145 I let her dress herself how she wanted to dress. 495 00:28:49,187 --> 00:28:52,817 I let her eat what she wanted to eat, within reason. 496 00:28:52,857 --> 00:28:54,397 She was thriving. 497 00:28:54,442 --> 00:28:55,942 Well, Miss Life of the Party. 498 00:28:55,985 --> 00:28:58,355 It's your party, you can do what you want to. 499 00:29:01,533 --> 00:29:05,123 I was always there. I was a part of that. 500 00:29:05,161 --> 00:29:10,711 I got to see how infectious she was in everyone's lives. 501 00:29:13,545 --> 00:29:16,715 -She was just happy and fun, 502 00:29:16,756 --> 00:29:18,256 and she would just light up a room, you know? 503 00:29:18,299 --> 00:29:22,549 She was big brown eyes and just the cutest little smile. 504 00:29:26,266 --> 00:29:27,806 My name is Annie Goderwis, 505 00:29:27,851 --> 00:29:31,021 and I was once best friends with Casey Anthony. 506 00:29:33,648 --> 00:29:37,528 I have "Caylee Marie" tattooed on my left shoulder. 507 00:29:37,569 --> 00:29:39,449 -Why did you decide to do that? 508 00:29:39,487 --> 00:29:42,657 -Um, because she deserves it. 509 00:29:42,699 --> 00:29:45,949 She deserves to live with me forever. 510 00:29:50,373 --> 00:29:53,253 [ Sniffles ] 511 00:29:53,293 --> 00:29:55,553 [ Sighs ] 512 00:29:57,297 --> 00:30:01,507 I brought a couple of my high-school yearbooks. 513 00:30:04,095 --> 00:30:06,635 There's Casey. 514 00:30:06,681 --> 00:30:09,271 This is when she was in 10th grade. 515 00:30:09,309 --> 00:30:15,399 ** 516 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,190 She started dating a friend of mine. 517 00:30:18,234 --> 00:30:20,954 We became close friends very quickly. 518 00:30:23,114 --> 00:30:27,954 I think this picture was from my birthday. 519 00:30:27,994 --> 00:30:31,754 Casey was a good mom. She took care of that child. 520 00:30:31,790 --> 00:30:35,540 She loved that baby. 521 00:30:35,585 --> 00:30:38,795 She was always focused on Caylee. 522 00:30:38,838 --> 00:30:42,678 You know, she was a part of her. She was everywhere that she was. 523 00:30:44,886 --> 00:30:48,306 -It's very clear, when I talked to the policemen, 524 00:30:48,348 --> 00:30:53,848 they all very readily tell me that the motive here 525 00:30:53,895 --> 00:30:55,805 was somebody who wanted to go out dancing 526 00:30:55,855 --> 00:30:57,855 and was ready to kill her child. 527 00:30:57,899 --> 00:30:59,689 -No way. 528 00:30:59,734 --> 00:31:02,954 No way, shape, form. 529 00:31:02,987 --> 00:31:05,697 I don't believe that for a second. 530 00:31:05,740 --> 00:31:07,990 I understand how they will say that. 531 00:31:08,034 --> 00:31:09,374 I get it. 532 00:31:09,411 --> 00:31:11,451 That's not the Casey that I knew. 533 00:31:11,496 --> 00:31:14,116 No way. She didn't kill her child. 534 00:31:14,165 --> 00:31:15,575 Like [laughs] 535 00:31:18,545 --> 00:31:23,005 All the pictures that circulated on the news, on social media, 536 00:31:23,049 --> 00:31:28,139 there's a matter of, I would say, maybe half-a-dozen pictures 537 00:31:28,179 --> 00:31:30,219 that are from half-a-dozen different nights 538 00:31:30,265 --> 00:31:33,265 over the span of a three-year time period. 539 00:31:33,309 --> 00:31:35,649 There's a picture of her with her head in the toilet. 540 00:31:35,687 --> 00:31:37,187 It was her 21st birthday. 541 00:31:37,230 --> 00:31:40,820 Like, come on. It was her 21st birthday. 542 00:31:40,859 --> 00:31:43,029 The media made it like all she wanted to do 543 00:31:43,069 --> 00:31:45,859 was to kill her kid and go out and party. 544 00:31:45,905 --> 00:31:48,315 It's not the Casey that I knew. 545 00:31:48,366 --> 00:31:50,236 She... 546 00:31:50,285 --> 00:31:52,535 was never like the life of the party. 547 00:31:52,579 --> 00:31:56,119 She didn't go out with us all that often. 548 00:31:56,166 --> 00:32:02,006 She was your typical mom. I mean, she loved that child. 549 00:32:02,047 --> 00:32:03,967 We would go places in the car, 550 00:32:04,007 --> 00:32:07,137 and there would be Goldfish all over Casey's back seat 551 00:32:07,177 --> 00:32:09,347 because, like, the kid always had food. 552 00:32:09,387 --> 00:32:11,177 She had toys. 553 00:32:11,222 --> 00:32:13,852 Occasionally, Caylee would let me hold her. 554 00:32:13,892 --> 00:32:15,692 Most of the time, she just wanted Casey. 555 00:32:15,727 --> 00:32:18,897 She wanted her mom. She loved her mom. 556 00:32:18,938 --> 00:32:22,318 Until she herself tells me that she did it, 557 00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:26,449 there's no way, no way she killed that baby. 558 00:32:26,488 --> 00:32:29,868 With Caylee's disappearance, 559 00:32:29,908 --> 00:32:32,738 I think an accident probably happened. 560 00:32:32,786 --> 00:32:36,456 And I think that she did what she always did, 561 00:32:36,498 --> 00:32:38,918 and she lied. 562 00:32:40,502 --> 00:32:44,212 When I was friends with Casey, she lied about everything. 563 00:32:45,757 --> 00:32:47,927 When Casey was questioned by the police, 564 00:32:47,967 --> 00:32:51,967 she said she dropped Caylee off at this apartment complex. 565 00:32:52,013 --> 00:32:55,233 Well, I used to live in that apartment complex. 566 00:32:55,266 --> 00:32:57,056 I think, in her mind, she wasn't lying. 567 00:32:57,102 --> 00:32:58,652 She had brought Caylee there before. 568 00:32:58,687 --> 00:33:01,187 She had never dropped her off, but Caylee had been there. 569 00:33:03,316 --> 00:33:05,986 I'm fairly certain that she definitely was employed 570 00:33:06,027 --> 00:33:07,357 at Universal at some point, 571 00:33:07,404 --> 00:33:08,994 whether it was, like, right out of high school 572 00:33:09,030 --> 00:33:11,570 or when she was in high school, I don't know. 573 00:33:11,616 --> 00:33:13,366 Again, small truths. 574 00:33:15,161 --> 00:33:18,921 -When I lied, during this and even prior to, 575 00:33:18,957 --> 00:33:21,877 there was always at least some part of the truth 576 00:33:21,918 --> 00:33:24,128 that was a part of the lie. 577 00:33:24,170 --> 00:33:28,380 I did work at Universal for a very long time. 578 00:33:28,425 --> 00:33:29,835 And, yeah, Sawgrass Apartments, 579 00:33:29,884 --> 00:33:33,764 that's where Annie Downing lived. 580 00:33:33,805 --> 00:33:35,675 A kernel of truth within the lie. 581 00:33:35,724 --> 00:33:39,104 ** 582 00:33:44,274 --> 00:33:46,534 -So, let's go back to the beginning. 583 00:33:46,568 --> 00:33:49,318 July 16, 2008, 584 00:33:49,362 --> 00:33:53,622 the day that Caylee's kidnapping is reported. 585 00:34:05,253 --> 00:34:09,383 What are you thinking and feeling on that call? 586 00:34:09,424 --> 00:34:12,934 There's no emotion. -There's no nothing. 587 00:34:12,969 --> 00:34:14,799 Nothing. 588 00:34:16,556 --> 00:34:19,016 -Yeah. It's weird. -It's very weird. 589 00:34:19,059 --> 00:34:24,109 ** 590 00:34:24,147 --> 00:34:28,397 I was so numb during so much of that. 591 00:34:39,496 --> 00:34:43,326 I did meet someone named Zenaida Fernandez Gonzalez. 592 00:34:43,375 --> 00:34:45,835 She was a babysitter, was a nanny -- all of that's true. 593 00:34:45,877 --> 00:34:48,417 Was not my nanny. Was not my babysitter. 594 00:34:48,463 --> 00:34:51,723 [ Sighs ] 595 00:34:51,758 --> 00:34:59,178 ** 596 00:34:59,224 --> 00:35:06,484 ** 597 00:35:06,523 --> 00:35:08,823 That's the official entrance. 598 00:35:08,858 --> 00:35:11,318 So we have to go around the back. 599 00:35:11,361 --> 00:35:20,581 ** 600 00:35:20,620 --> 00:35:24,870 -So, at the time you're pulling up here with the cops, 601 00:35:24,916 --> 00:35:29,166 you believe what about where Caylee is? 602 00:35:29,212 --> 00:35:31,842 -She's okay. That's what I believed the entire time. 603 00:35:31,881 --> 00:35:33,511 Not just with the cops. 604 00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:37,550 Every day that I sat in jail up until the day she was found. 605 00:35:37,595 --> 00:35:39,635 Every day. 606 00:35:39,681 --> 00:35:43,391 -Help us understand, why were you lying to the cops? 607 00:35:43,435 --> 00:35:47,225 -I lied to everyone because that was my whole life 608 00:35:47,272 --> 00:35:49,522 up to that point. 609 00:35:49,566 --> 00:35:52,606 Acting like everything's okay but knowing nothing was okay. 610 00:35:52,652 --> 00:35:56,362 I've had years of therapy and... 611 00:35:56,406 --> 00:36:00,116 I'm trying to analyze my own behavior 612 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,410 and explain my own behaviors. 613 00:36:03,455 --> 00:36:06,825 All of this is a reaction to trauma. 614 00:36:06,875 --> 00:36:11,545 ** 615 00:36:11,588 --> 00:36:16,178 Since 2008, I was suppressing those memories. 616 00:36:16,217 --> 00:36:18,597 I remember my interactions with law enforcement, 617 00:36:18,636 --> 00:36:21,596 but I don't really remember all of what was said. 618 00:36:21,639 --> 00:36:27,849 Everything had its place on a shelf and had its own box. 619 00:36:29,439 --> 00:36:33,279 I was trying to put as much of what was associated 620 00:36:33,318 --> 00:36:36,068 with those memories into those boxes and locking it away 621 00:36:36,112 --> 00:36:38,412 and putting it back on the shelf. 622 00:36:38,448 --> 00:36:46,248 ** 623 00:36:46,289 --> 00:36:49,999 Now, saying all of this out loud for the first time, 624 00:36:50,043 --> 00:36:52,923 the process is extremely painful. 625 00:36:52,962 --> 00:37:00,722 ** 626 00:37:00,762 --> 00:37:03,142 I remember the detectives that I was with. 627 00:37:03,181 --> 00:37:07,141 I didn't trust cops at that point. 628 00:37:07,185 --> 00:37:10,355 I was frightened. I was scared. 629 00:37:12,148 --> 00:37:14,778 And they go something along the lines of, 630 00:37:14,818 --> 00:37:17,608 "Oh, so you work here?" 631 00:37:17,654 --> 00:37:19,324 I hadn't worked at Universal 632 00:37:19,364 --> 00:37:22,534 for like a year, year and a half, easily. 633 00:37:26,830 --> 00:37:29,040 I remember the detectives walking me 634 00:37:29,082 --> 00:37:31,332 into an interrogation room. 635 00:38:02,949 --> 00:38:11,079 ** 636 00:38:11,124 --> 00:38:15,384 I made myself look crazy 637 00:38:15,420 --> 00:38:19,340 and gave law enforcement absolutely no reason to believe 638 00:38:19,382 --> 00:38:22,472 or trust anything that I said. 639 00:38:27,557 --> 00:38:29,557 I get why, from an outside perspective, 640 00:38:29,601 --> 00:38:32,271 all of this just seems so... 641 00:38:32,312 --> 00:38:35,442 Because, even for me, it still feels that way. 642 00:38:35,482 --> 00:38:36,732 As far as I'm concerned, 643 00:38:36,775 --> 00:38:39,565 there's no justifying my actions or behavior. 644 00:38:43,865 --> 00:38:46,365 Except to say that... 645 00:38:46,409 --> 00:38:49,409 I was doing what I was conditioned to do. 646 00:38:50,955 --> 00:38:54,205 ** 647 00:38:54,250 --> 00:38:57,130 Growing up, I lied a lot more than I ever told the truth 648 00:38:57,170 --> 00:39:00,420 because telling the truth to anyone in the outside world 649 00:39:00,465 --> 00:39:02,085 didn't happen. 650 00:39:02,133 --> 00:39:05,933 On the surface, my family was typical. 651 00:39:05,970 --> 00:39:08,930 Mother, father, son, and daughter. 652 00:39:08,973 --> 00:39:13,403 Your standard middle-class, White American family. 653 00:39:13,436 --> 00:39:16,396 My mom was a nurse. My father was a former cop. 654 00:39:16,439 --> 00:39:19,319 When we moved to Florida, he was in security. 655 00:39:19,359 --> 00:39:24,409 The outside world saw this -- this perfect little family. 656 00:39:24,447 --> 00:39:26,987 And there were moments of that, for sure. 657 00:39:27,033 --> 00:39:32,003 But that wasn't the reality. 658 00:39:32,038 --> 00:39:36,918 Our life at home was a lie. 659 00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:41,380 Telling the truth, especially in our house, wasn't allowed. 660 00:39:41,423 --> 00:39:43,973 It all comes back to my dad. 661 00:39:46,469 --> 00:39:48,259 He was a man who was incapable 662 00:39:48,304 --> 00:39:51,064 of ever telling anyone the truth. 663 00:39:51,099 --> 00:39:52,599 My father wanted the world to believe 664 00:39:52,642 --> 00:39:55,982 that he was the patriarch of the family. 665 00:39:56,021 --> 00:39:58,231 That he was supporting our family 666 00:39:58,273 --> 00:40:00,653 financially and otherwise. 667 00:40:00,692 --> 00:40:05,452 There were so many things that he didn't want us to see. 668 00:40:05,488 --> 00:40:09,278 My father was trying to hide that he wasn't working. 669 00:40:09,325 --> 00:40:11,615 My mother was the true matriarch, 670 00:40:11,661 --> 00:40:14,711 was the sole breadwinner. 671 00:40:14,748 --> 00:40:18,958 She worked 14- to 16-hour days to not only keep our lights on, 672 00:40:19,002 --> 00:40:20,712 but to keep food on the table. 673 00:40:20,754 --> 00:40:23,344 My mom had found out that he had taken $60,000 674 00:40:23,381 --> 00:40:25,471 out of her retirement. 675 00:40:25,508 --> 00:40:29,348 He claims, at first, it was a Nigerian Ponzi scheme, 676 00:40:29,387 --> 00:40:32,807 and then that he had gambled away the money. 677 00:40:32,849 --> 00:40:35,139 The story kept evolving. 678 00:40:35,185 --> 00:40:37,225 My father was also lying to hide the fact 679 00:40:37,270 --> 00:40:39,360 that he was unfaithful to my mother, 680 00:40:39,397 --> 00:40:42,817 to hide the fact that there were extracurricular activities 681 00:40:42,859 --> 00:40:44,819 he was doing at night. 682 00:40:44,861 --> 00:40:47,741 My mom was trying to again 683 00:40:47,781 --> 00:40:51,081 put on that facade of this cohesive unit. 684 00:40:51,117 --> 00:40:53,327 It was always that perfect persona 685 00:40:53,370 --> 00:40:56,540 they wanted to put out for the public. 686 00:40:56,581 --> 00:40:58,961 Protecting the family at all costs. 687 00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,380 That was the only goal. 688 00:41:01,419 --> 00:41:04,759 Protecting the truth of what was in our home. 689 00:41:20,397 --> 00:41:24,107 -So, your options are eggs, fruit. 690 00:41:24,150 --> 00:41:26,700 -Eggs and fruit? -Eggs and fruit. 691 00:41:26,736 --> 00:41:31,906 ** 692 00:41:31,950 --> 00:41:34,370 Actually will be the first time I've made breakfast for anyone 693 00:41:34,411 --> 00:41:36,831 other than myself for a very long time. 694 00:41:36,871 --> 00:41:44,501 ** 695 00:41:44,546 --> 00:41:51,966 ** 696 00:41:52,012 --> 00:41:53,972 -How did you sleep? 697 00:41:54,014 --> 00:41:56,474 -There's no such thing as good sleep. 698 00:41:56,516 --> 00:41:57,926 Not that I know. 699 00:41:57,976 --> 00:42:00,096 A lot of nights, I have very clear images 700 00:42:00,145 --> 00:42:02,805 and flashbacks, nightmares. 701 00:42:02,856 --> 00:42:09,736 ** 702 00:42:09,779 --> 00:42:11,449 My nightmare last night, 703 00:42:11,489 --> 00:42:15,789 it was similar to other things that happened to me growing up. 704 00:42:15,827 --> 00:42:17,117 I don't know if it's just flooding back 705 00:42:17,162 --> 00:42:19,542 because of going back through pictures 706 00:42:19,581 --> 00:42:23,841 and more switches being hit and more trauma. 707 00:42:23,877 --> 00:42:25,957 -What was the nightmare last night? 708 00:42:26,004 --> 00:42:29,884 -My father was holding me down and raping me. 709 00:42:29,924 --> 00:42:32,894 That happens again and again and again. 710 00:42:37,515 --> 00:42:39,055 When I was 8 years old, 711 00:42:39,100 --> 00:42:41,900 my father started to come into my room at night. 712 00:42:44,856 --> 00:42:47,476 I was physically hurt. 713 00:42:47,525 --> 00:42:49,315 Scared because I was physically hurt 714 00:42:49,361 --> 00:42:52,321 and I can't tell Mommy what happened. 715 00:42:52,364 --> 00:42:55,624 She'll get mad at me. That's what I was told. 716 00:43:00,205 --> 00:43:03,665 With my father, the abuse one day just stopped 717 00:43:03,708 --> 00:43:06,288 just before my 12th birthday. 718 00:43:06,336 --> 00:43:10,216 My brother started coming in shortly after I turned 12. 719 00:43:12,258 --> 00:43:15,678 And it stopped around the time I turned 15. 720 00:43:15,720 --> 00:43:18,180 Wasn't the same thing that happened with my father. 721 00:43:18,223 --> 00:43:22,193 My brother never raped me. No, no, absolutely not. 722 00:43:22,227 --> 00:43:25,057 But it was close enough. 723 00:43:25,105 --> 00:43:27,935 Close enough where there was a pattern. 724 00:43:27,982 --> 00:43:31,032 -But you did tell your mom about Lee. 725 00:43:31,069 --> 00:43:33,529 -I did not. 726 00:43:33,571 --> 00:43:37,201 Not until after I was already a mom. 727 00:43:37,242 --> 00:43:39,792 Not till I was 19. 728 00:43:39,828 --> 00:43:42,708 -Do you think she knew anyway? 729 00:43:42,747 --> 00:43:45,037 -I've always questioned it. 730 00:43:47,836 --> 00:43:49,546 What you have to realize about my mom 731 00:43:49,587 --> 00:43:53,507 when I was younger, she was extremely controlling. 732 00:43:53,550 --> 00:43:56,220 She tried to make sure I dressed as young as I possibly could, 733 00:43:56,261 --> 00:43:58,891 to look as young as I possibly could. 734 00:43:58,930 --> 00:44:02,060 It's not just feeling like my mom wanted to keep me a child. 735 00:44:02,100 --> 00:44:04,140 I feel like she was trying to, 736 00:44:04,185 --> 00:44:07,645 yes, keep me from being a sexual being. 737 00:44:07,689 --> 00:44:11,739 I had to fit within these very specific parameters 738 00:44:11,776 --> 00:44:13,236 and be that perfect little girl, 739 00:44:13,278 --> 00:44:17,118 even when I wasn't a little girl anymore. 740 00:44:20,076 --> 00:44:22,656 She was always trying to create this image 741 00:44:22,704 --> 00:44:27,384 of what our family should be, which was not what it was. 742 00:44:30,211 --> 00:44:32,261 I think she was lying to herself, 743 00:44:32,297 --> 00:44:34,127 trying to keep together this family unit 744 00:44:34,174 --> 00:44:36,434 that she was fighting so hard for. 745 00:44:39,262 --> 00:44:43,142 It was just assumed whatever Mom and Dad said, 746 00:44:43,183 --> 00:44:45,693 son and daughter follow suit. 747 00:44:45,727 --> 00:44:48,437 So, I lied a lot more than I ever told the truth 748 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,230 because the truth was too painful 749 00:44:51,274 --> 00:44:56,614 and it was too unreal to ever describe to someone. 750 00:44:56,654 --> 00:45:01,164 ** 751 00:45:05,663 --> 00:45:07,463 -Inside, it was a mess. -Keep going. 752 00:45:07,499 --> 00:45:09,129 -Shut up. Please. 753 00:45:09,167 --> 00:45:10,497 -Oh, I'm done. -Shut up. 754 00:45:10,543 --> 00:45:12,173 -I'm done. Don't ever tell me to shut up. 755 00:45:12,212 --> 00:45:13,592 -You know something? 756 00:45:13,630 --> 00:45:15,010 I let you explain everything in as much detail. 757 00:45:15,048 --> 00:45:17,048 -No, don't you tell me to shut up. 758 00:45:17,092 --> 00:45:19,472 Oh, geez, oh, cow, George. Come on. 759 00:45:19,511 --> 00:45:21,971 -I think this interview itself 760 00:45:22,013 --> 00:45:26,023 is only further painting that picture 761 00:45:26,059 --> 00:45:29,809 of what I've described about the issues within their marriage. 762 00:45:29,854 --> 00:45:31,824 And you can just see. 763 00:45:31,856 --> 00:45:34,816 You can just see that discord between the two of them. 764 00:45:34,859 --> 00:45:36,569 It's so blatant. 765 00:45:36,611 --> 00:45:39,201 -I didn't take $20 from your wallet. 766 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:40,819 I didn't take this. I didn't take that. 767 00:45:40,865 --> 00:45:44,405 What about Casey going into Caylee's savings account 768 00:45:44,452 --> 00:45:46,202 that I had started with her and taking money out? 769 00:45:46,246 --> 00:45:48,286 -But, George, Casey learned by example. 770 00:45:48,331 --> 00:45:50,001 And I -- -Wow. You're -- You're really -- 771 00:45:50,041 --> 00:45:51,501 -Okay, let's -- Wait. 772 00:45:51,543 --> 00:45:53,003 -Please, please. -No, but I'm telling you, 773 00:45:53,044 --> 00:45:55,594 you lied to me for several years, 774 00:45:55,630 --> 00:45:57,050 and that's where our daughter got it. 775 00:45:57,090 --> 00:45:58,760 -Do not personally attack me on this. 776 00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:00,640 This is not supposed to be about us. 777 00:46:00,677 --> 00:46:01,887 -I understand that. 778 00:46:01,928 --> 00:46:03,218 -It's not supposed to be that personal attack. 779 00:46:03,263 --> 00:46:04,853 -She finally calls him out on it 780 00:46:04,889 --> 00:46:07,349 and is finally acknowledging. 781 00:46:07,392 --> 00:46:10,062 Yes, I learned from his example, completely. 782 00:46:10,103 --> 00:46:15,283 ** 783 00:46:15,316 --> 00:46:18,696 I completely replicated my father's behavior 784 00:46:18,737 --> 00:46:21,357 during those 31 days. 785 00:46:21,406 --> 00:46:24,276 I watched him lie, manipulate, take money from people. 786 00:46:24,325 --> 00:46:25,865 I did all of those things. 787 00:46:25,910 --> 00:46:29,870 But for me, it wasn't to protect myself 788 00:46:29,914 --> 00:46:31,374 because of what I had done. 789 00:46:31,416 --> 00:46:34,786 It was to protect myself from the outside world 790 00:46:34,836 --> 00:46:38,376 and that judgment of what had happened to me. 791 00:46:38,423 --> 00:46:42,393 -So why did you take the money from Amy? 792 00:46:42,427 --> 00:46:44,757 -It was a really shitty mistake. 793 00:46:48,308 --> 00:46:52,438 I used and manipulated all of the people around me 794 00:46:52,479 --> 00:46:55,899 in an attempt to appear normal, 795 00:46:55,940 --> 00:46:59,190 which was extremely abnormal. 796 00:47:00,862 --> 00:47:04,202 When the most normal thing would have been to say, "I need help." 797 00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:06,490 But I didn't know how to say that. 798 00:47:06,534 --> 00:47:14,084 ** 799 00:47:14,125 --> 00:47:16,035 -Casey Anthony says she was looking 800 00:47:16,086 --> 00:47:17,546 for her missing daughter. 801 00:47:17,587 --> 00:47:20,717 We don't know if that's true, but we do know this. 802 00:47:20,757 --> 00:47:22,837 Casey got a tattoo. 803 00:47:25,804 --> 00:47:28,434 -[ Sighs ] 804 00:47:28,473 --> 00:47:30,773 -You covered up your tattoo. 805 00:47:30,809 --> 00:47:33,979 -Bella vita -- That was my "fuck you" to my family. 806 00:47:34,020 --> 00:47:38,530 ** 807 00:47:38,566 --> 00:47:42,106 I spent my entire life protecting our perfect, 808 00:47:42,153 --> 00:47:44,283 beautiful little family 809 00:47:44,322 --> 00:47:48,662 and acting like I had this enviable life. 810 00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:53,419 And in a lot of ways -- 811 00:47:53,456 --> 00:47:55,286 And, again, this is after going through therapy 812 00:47:55,333 --> 00:47:59,213 and trying to explain why I got the tattoo in the first place, 813 00:47:59,254 --> 00:48:02,764 especially during that time period -- 814 00:48:02,799 --> 00:48:06,719 because that was a subconscious way for me to... 815 00:48:09,139 --> 00:48:12,309 ...to speak out against all of it. 816 00:48:12,350 --> 00:48:14,690 -Against what? -My family. 817 00:48:14,728 --> 00:48:16,268 My... 818 00:48:18,231 --> 00:48:23,111 ...flawed and fucked-up family 819 00:48:23,153 --> 00:48:27,073 and my flawed and fucked-up life. 820 00:48:27,115 --> 00:48:30,865 It was the antithesis of what my life really was. 821 00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:34,910 The tattoo on the inside of my arm -- 822 00:48:34,956 --> 00:48:37,496 "I hear your voice and all the sounds of the world." 823 00:48:37,542 --> 00:48:39,252 That also translates to "noise." 824 00:48:39,294 --> 00:48:43,424 That just means I hear you in everything. 825 00:48:43,465 --> 00:48:46,835 That is my Caylee tribute tattoo. 826 00:48:50,722 --> 00:48:54,562 Everything about her was perfect. 827 00:48:54,601 --> 00:48:57,651 These were my sonogram photos. 828 00:48:57,687 --> 00:48:59,897 These were the two that I asked to have printed. 829 00:48:59,939 --> 00:49:03,319 You can see the outline, perfect outline of her hand, her nose, 830 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,530 her eyes, her arms, the bones in her arm. 831 00:49:07,572 --> 00:49:09,572 I was six and a half months pregnant almost 832 00:49:09,616 --> 00:49:11,156 when they were able to do this. 833 00:49:11,201 --> 00:49:13,871 -Did people know you were pregnant at that point? 834 00:49:13,912 --> 00:49:15,872 -Um... 835 00:49:15,914 --> 00:49:18,884 It was hard not to tell, 836 00:49:18,917 --> 00:49:21,537 but some of the people closest to me were telling people 837 00:49:21,586 --> 00:49:23,706 not only that I wasn't pregnant. 838 00:49:23,755 --> 00:49:27,925 I was just sedentary, had a sedentary position. 839 00:49:27,967 --> 00:49:30,887 That was what my nurse mother told people. 840 00:49:30,929 --> 00:49:32,929 -Why? 841 00:49:32,972 --> 00:49:34,812 -I don't know. 842 00:49:34,849 --> 00:49:37,229 Maybe she was embarrassed that her daughter was pregnant. 843 00:49:37,268 --> 00:49:39,808 Um...I don't know. 844 00:49:39,854 --> 00:49:41,984 I was blatantly pregnant and still saying no 845 00:49:42,023 --> 00:49:44,783 because that's what we had all agreed to. 846 00:49:44,818 --> 00:49:47,278 Even my co-workers at the time. 847 00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,910 And they're like, "Well, you're pregnant." 848 00:49:49,948 --> 00:49:53,078 I'd kind of hesitate and go, "What?" 849 00:49:53,118 --> 00:49:55,158 Of course I was pregnant. 850 00:49:55,203 --> 00:49:59,213 But no lie was out of bounds. No lie was off-limits. 851 00:49:59,249 --> 00:50:04,209 ** 852 00:50:04,254 --> 00:50:07,924 -How did you get pregnant with Caylee? 853 00:50:07,966 --> 00:50:10,756 -I was raped at 18. 854 00:50:10,802 --> 00:50:12,552 -Could your dad have been the father? 855 00:50:12,595 --> 00:50:16,055 -No, my father is not the father of my child. 856 00:50:16,099 --> 00:50:18,349 Neither is my brother. 857 00:50:22,272 --> 00:50:27,492 ** 858 00:50:27,527 --> 00:50:31,817 -When I was 18, I was at a house party, 859 00:50:31,865 --> 00:50:34,825 had a couple beers, 860 00:50:34,868 --> 00:50:38,408 completely lost my memory because I was drugged. 861 00:50:38,455 --> 00:50:41,875 I woke up with my top on, 862 00:50:41,916 --> 00:50:43,746 my jeans on the floor with my underwear, 863 00:50:43,793 --> 00:50:46,343 and my bra still inside of my shirt, 864 00:50:46,379 --> 00:50:50,009 but up over my breasts. 865 00:50:50,050 --> 00:50:52,050 And I was lethargic. 866 00:50:52,093 --> 00:50:57,523 I was extremely disoriented. 867 00:50:57,557 --> 00:51:03,017 And I could feel like I had had forcible sex. 868 00:51:03,063 --> 00:51:05,023 I was scared, 869 00:51:05,065 --> 00:51:08,025 confused, 870 00:51:08,068 --> 00:51:10,988 full of questions. 871 00:51:11,029 --> 00:51:13,109 Why it happened, how it happened. 872 00:51:13,156 --> 00:51:15,406 Did I consent? Not consent? 873 00:51:18,328 --> 00:51:20,038 -Did you report it to the police? 874 00:51:20,080 --> 00:51:22,580 -No. -Why not? 875 00:51:22,624 --> 00:51:25,964 -I wasn't sure anyone would believe me. 876 00:51:26,002 --> 00:51:29,092 Because, again, I know what happens to girls 877 00:51:29,130 --> 00:51:30,670 when they go to a party. 878 00:51:30,715 --> 00:51:33,545 They have a couple drinks. 879 00:51:33,593 --> 00:51:35,353 All the guy needs to say is, 880 00:51:35,387 --> 00:51:37,097 "Yeah, of course, she wanted to do it. 881 00:51:37,138 --> 00:51:40,518 She wanted to be a part of it. She was asking for it." 882 00:51:42,018 --> 00:51:45,728 First person that I would have told would have been my mom, 883 00:51:45,772 --> 00:51:48,902 and would she have believed me? 884 00:51:48,942 --> 00:51:52,072 Would she have blamed me? 885 00:51:52,112 --> 00:51:55,572 -How soon after the rape do you realize you're pregnant? 886 00:51:55,615 --> 00:51:58,695 -Almost immediately. 887 00:51:58,743 --> 00:52:00,453 Six weeks. 888 00:52:02,122 --> 00:52:05,582 When I decided to tell my parents that I was pregnant, 889 00:52:05,625 --> 00:52:08,285 I told them that Jesse Grund was the father. 890 00:52:10,505 --> 00:52:13,925 I met and started dating Jesse Grund 891 00:52:13,967 --> 00:52:17,427 just before I found out I was pregnant. 892 00:52:17,470 --> 00:52:20,180 -Did you think Jesse could be the dad? 893 00:52:20,223 --> 00:52:21,643 -Yes, there was a possibility, 894 00:52:21,683 --> 00:52:24,103 at least still in my head, at the time. 895 00:52:24,144 --> 00:52:25,564 As my pregnancy progressed 896 00:52:25,603 --> 00:52:29,113 and we realized how far along I actually was, 897 00:52:29,149 --> 00:52:32,609 came to realize that that wasn't the case. 898 00:52:32,652 --> 00:52:36,362 But I made a very selfish decision 899 00:52:36,406 --> 00:52:38,316 to not tell Jesse. 900 00:52:41,161 --> 00:52:44,961 I let Jesse believe the entirety of my pregnancy 901 00:52:44,998 --> 00:52:47,578 that he was the father. 902 00:52:47,625 --> 00:52:51,455 I should have told him what happened, but I didn't. 903 00:52:51,504 --> 00:52:54,884 At that point, I hadn't told anyone that I was raped. 904 00:52:57,010 --> 00:53:00,010 He got a paternity test. 905 00:53:00,055 --> 00:53:02,515 And even after that, I never told Jesse 906 00:53:02,557 --> 00:53:05,017 how I got pregnant in the first place. 907 00:53:07,020 --> 00:53:13,400 I lied and said that it was this old friend from way back when. 908 00:53:13,443 --> 00:53:15,993 -Caylee's never had a father. 909 00:53:16,029 --> 00:53:20,449 He was a friend of Casey's that lives out of state. 910 00:53:20,492 --> 00:53:21,742 By the time Caylee was born, 911 00:53:21,785 --> 00:53:24,115 he had already started another family, 912 00:53:24,162 --> 00:53:27,332 and he passed away earlier in the year. 913 00:53:27,374 --> 00:53:34,634 ** 914 00:53:34,673 --> 00:53:36,843 -I lied to everyone. 915 00:53:39,052 --> 00:53:40,762 That's what I'm saying, it's so fucked up. 916 00:53:40,804 --> 00:53:44,564 It's just years of feeling like 917 00:53:44,599 --> 00:53:47,229 I needed to live a certain life or show people 918 00:53:47,268 --> 00:53:52,398 I lived a certain life because I didn't want people to pity me. 919 00:53:54,067 --> 00:53:56,777 And I didn't want my kid growing up 920 00:53:56,820 --> 00:53:59,660 thinking she was this product of something so bad 921 00:53:59,698 --> 00:54:02,238 and that I didn't want her. 922 00:54:02,283 --> 00:54:10,213 ** 923 00:54:10,250 --> 00:54:12,170 [ Sniffles ] 924 00:54:14,587 --> 00:54:16,797 I don't know how long I can do this. 925 00:54:20,135 --> 00:54:21,965 [ Sobs ] 926 00:54:25,098 --> 00:54:27,728 [ Sniffles ] 927 00:54:27,767 --> 00:54:31,807 I remember these pictures like they were yesterday. 928 00:54:31,855 --> 00:54:35,145 And it's part of the reason why it's so hard to look back. 929 00:54:35,191 --> 00:54:43,161 ** 930 00:54:43,199 --> 00:54:44,909 I've missed this. 931 00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:52,420 I miss her every second of every day. 932 00:54:52,459 --> 00:54:54,379 [ Sniffles ] 933 00:54:54,419 --> 00:55:02,089 ** 934 00:55:02,135 --> 00:55:09,475 ** 935 00:55:09,517 --> 00:55:13,767 This is why I can't sit down and look at these anymore. 936 00:55:13,813 --> 00:55:16,273 It's not because I don't want to. 937 00:55:16,316 --> 00:55:18,566 It's just it hurts. 938 00:55:18,610 --> 00:55:21,320 Just physically fucking hurts. 939 00:55:21,363 --> 00:55:23,493 [ Sniffles ] 940 00:55:25,992 --> 00:55:30,752 She's still everything to me and always will be everything. 941 00:55:30,789 --> 00:55:32,499 This is all I have left. 942 00:55:32,540 --> 00:55:34,290 This. 943 00:55:34,334 --> 00:55:36,594 This is all I have left of her. 944 00:55:43,593 --> 00:55:45,683 [ Sighs ] 945 00:55:50,183 --> 00:55:53,193 No parent's supposed to survive their kid. 946 00:55:55,188 --> 00:55:57,268 This is all I have left. 947 00:55:57,315 --> 00:55:59,605 [ Sniffles ] 948 00:56:01,903 --> 00:56:04,033 [ Sobs ] 949 00:56:06,324 --> 00:56:08,584 Oh, God, just -- 950 00:56:08,618 --> 00:56:11,038 It just fucking hurts. 951 00:56:11,079 --> 00:56:14,079 [ Sniffles ] 952 00:56:14,124 --> 00:56:16,134 I don't think I can say that enough. 953 00:56:16,167 --> 00:56:17,667 It just hurts. 954 00:56:17,711 --> 00:56:23,011 ** 955 00:56:23,049 --> 00:56:27,969 ** 956 00:56:28,013 --> 00:56:33,443 I lied, but no one asked why. 957 00:56:33,476 --> 00:56:36,516 No one cared why I lied. 958 00:56:36,563 --> 00:56:42,533 ** 959 00:56:42,569 --> 00:56:44,899 -When Casey was out of jail 960 00:56:44,946 --> 00:56:46,486 from the first time of her being arrested -- 961 00:56:46,531 --> 00:56:51,541 it was before they charged her with Caylee's murder -- 962 00:56:51,578 --> 00:56:54,708 I went over there and I stayed the night. 963 00:56:56,624 --> 00:56:59,754 You know, I-I asked some questions like, 964 00:56:59,794 --> 00:57:02,554 "Where's Caylee?" You know, "Where -- Like what -- 965 00:57:02,589 --> 00:57:05,339 Like, what's going on? Why didn't you tell anybody?" 966 00:57:05,383 --> 00:57:07,763 "Oh, I'm just doing what they told me to do. 967 00:57:07,802 --> 00:57:10,602 Just saying what they tell me to say." 968 00:57:22,233 --> 00:57:23,613 Right. 969 00:57:23,651 --> 00:57:25,701 She did say that, "They are telling me. 970 00:57:25,737 --> 00:57:29,567 I'm doing what they tell me to do." 971 00:57:29,616 --> 00:57:31,986 I don't know who "they" is, though. 972 00:57:32,035 --> 00:57:37,075 ** 973 00:57:37,123 --> 00:57:42,003 ** 974 00:57:42,045 --> 00:57:44,915 -I'm thoroughly embarrassed 975 00:57:44,964 --> 00:57:48,724 by everything that happened, not only on that day, 976 00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,010 but so many of the days that followed 977 00:57:51,054 --> 00:57:53,974 and the days that led up to all of this. 978 00:57:56,351 --> 00:57:58,061 It's awful, but... 979 00:58:02,315 --> 00:58:05,775 ...I wasn't the same person sitting here 980 00:58:05,819 --> 00:58:09,029 almost 14 years ago that I am now. 981 00:58:09,072 --> 00:58:10,452 I have a voice now. 982 00:58:10,490 --> 00:58:15,330 I'm not afraid to speak up against my abuser now. 983 00:58:19,833 --> 00:58:21,843 -Why were you lying to the cops? 984 00:58:21,876 --> 00:58:23,796 -I was doing what I was told. 985 00:58:26,172 --> 00:58:28,932 It's really that simple. I was doing what I was told. 986 00:58:28,967 --> 00:58:31,387 -By? -My father. 987 00:58:31,428 --> 00:58:33,048 ** 988 00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:43,769 -With regret, I'm here to inform you that the skeletal remains 989 00:58:43,815 --> 00:58:45,475 found on December 11th 990 00:58:45,525 --> 00:58:48,945 are those of the missing toddler, Caylee Anthony. 991 00:58:48,987 --> 00:58:51,907 -It appeared that a person from the Anthony home 992 00:58:51,948 --> 00:58:53,988 taped her face up with duct tape, 993 00:58:54,034 --> 00:58:57,204 stuffed her in a trash bag, dumped her in the woods. 994 00:58:57,245 --> 00:58:59,205 -There was no question in their minds 995 00:58:59,247 --> 00:59:01,617 about whether or not I did anything to my daughter. 996 00:59:01,666 --> 00:59:04,996 -Everything was against her. The world was against her. 997 00:59:05,045 --> 00:59:07,045 -You say that you think she's a psychopath. 998 00:59:07,088 --> 00:59:09,008 -Absolutely. -I said to Casey, 999 00:59:09,049 --> 00:59:11,339 "We have to really be able to tell your story." 1000 00:59:13,303 --> 00:59:17,853 -I did believe that Casey was sexually abused, 1001 00:59:17,891 --> 00:59:21,271 which is what the other psychologists heard. 1002 00:59:21,311 --> 00:59:24,691 -It was like I was brainwashed. [ Sniffles ] 1003 00:59:24,731 --> 00:59:28,901 So I know you want to ask me about the last day she was here, 1004 00:59:28,943 --> 00:59:32,323 the last day that I saw her, the day she disappeared. 1005 00:59:32,364 --> 00:59:34,414 [ Sniffles ] 1006 00:59:34,449 --> 00:59:37,289 I know that's what it's all leading up to. 1007 00:59:37,327 --> 00:59:41,787 Why didn't I make a phone call? Why didn't I call 911? 1008 00:59:41,831 --> 00:59:44,751 Why lie?