1
00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000
Downloaded from
YTS.MX

2
00:00:07,907 --> 00:00:12,946
This is the most terrifying
place I have ever been.

3
00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000
Official YIFY movies site:
YTS.MX

4
00:00:12,979 --> 00:00:18,151
Waking up after being
drugged, restrained,

5
00:00:18,184 --> 00:00:19,619
this was the torture chamber.

6
00:00:25,392 --> 00:00:28,194
There must be a special
place in hell for people

7
00:00:28,228 --> 00:00:29,029
that hurt children.

8
00:00:36,569 --> 00:00:37,370
They're gone.

9
00:00:37,404 --> 00:00:39,339
We don't know where they are.

10
00:00:39,372 --> 00:00:41,641
He's in the motor
home on the run.

11
00:00:41,675 --> 00:00:44,044
Yes, big story.

12
00:00:44,077 --> 00:00:46,112
It was all in the
paper every day.

13
00:00:52,485 --> 00:00:54,521
You had intimate
relations with Robert.

14
00:00:54,554 --> 00:00:57,824
And your husband, your
dad had intimate relations

15
00:00:57,857 --> 00:00:58,625
with Robert.
- Yep.

16
00:00:58,658 --> 00:00:59,426
Yep.

17
00:00:59,459 --> 00:01:00,627
It's insane.

18
00:01:00,660 --> 00:01:03,596
That's what he was after,
to blackmail my parents.

19
00:01:03,630 --> 00:01:06,766
For him to know, gotta
divide those two in order

20
00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:09,302
to conquer my prey.

21
00:01:09,336 --> 00:01:10,970
I was the prey.

22
00:01:11,071 --> 00:01:13,173
There are people who are
going to see this story

23
00:01:13,206 --> 00:01:14,941
and want to shake you.

24
00:01:14,974 --> 00:01:18,211
I feel so responsible
for letting that man

25
00:01:18,244 --> 00:01:19,512
in through our house.

26
00:01:24,784 --> 00:01:26,653
She tells us
this wild story.

27
00:01:26,686 --> 00:01:28,621
She tells us all
about the aliens.

28
00:01:28,655 --> 00:01:30,790
My sister Karen
would go blind.

29
00:01:30,824 --> 00:01:32,592
My dad would be killed.

30
00:01:32,625 --> 00:01:35,095
My sister Susan
would be taken.

31
00:01:35,095 --> 00:01:37,964
He was a master manipulator.

32
00:01:37,997 --> 00:01:41,134
He was the master of
disguise, of deception.

33
00:01:45,505 --> 00:01:50,543
A perfect childhood, and then
right here, it all changed.

34
00:01:50,577 --> 00:01:53,179
You were nearly
2000 miles from home.

35
00:01:53,213 --> 00:01:54,314
Yep.

36
00:01:54,347 --> 00:01:57,150
Nobody had any
idea that he was

37
00:01:57,183 --> 00:01:58,685
terrorizing me in this room.

38
00:02:02,088 --> 00:02:05,225
The same things that happened
to me happened to her.

39
00:02:05,258 --> 00:02:08,061
First time that I think
she's really spoken publicly.

40
00:02:08,094 --> 00:02:09,262
He said, don't tell.

41
00:02:09,295 --> 00:02:10,363
This is our secret.

42
00:02:10,397 --> 00:02:11,564
This is just for us.

43
00:02:14,734 --> 00:02:17,070
Oh, that's creepy.

44
00:02:17,070 --> 00:02:18,304
I can't go back
there yet, though.

45
00:02:18,338 --> 00:02:19,906
I have to give
myself a second.

46
00:02:19,939 --> 00:02:22,075
It was just-- it's
heart wrenching.

47
00:02:22,075 --> 00:02:24,244
She is an amazing woman.

48
00:02:29,883 --> 00:02:33,153
This is the beginning
of the journey to healing.

49
00:03:05,418 --> 00:03:06,619
ANDREA CANNING
This

50
00:03:06,653 --> 00:03:09,622
is the strangest and darkest
story I've ever covered.

51
00:03:12,225 --> 00:03:14,861
It's about a woman
named Jan Broberg.

52
00:03:14,894 --> 00:03:17,464
She's a mother, a
sister, and a daughter,

53
00:03:17,497 --> 00:03:18,898
who can't escape her past.

54
00:03:21,634 --> 00:03:24,504
Starting at the age of
nine, Jan became the target

55
00:03:24,537 --> 00:03:27,107
of a ruthless predator.

56
00:03:27,140 --> 00:03:30,076
He abused her in her
own childhood bedroom.

57
00:03:30,076 --> 00:03:33,580
He kidnapped her
not once, but twice,

58
00:03:33,613 --> 00:03:41,788
taking her all over Idaho,
California, and even Mexico.

59
00:03:41,821 --> 00:03:44,324
He seduced her
mother and her father

60
00:03:44,357 --> 00:03:46,526
and tried to blackmail them.

61
00:03:46,559 --> 00:03:48,395
It was all to get to Jan.

62
00:03:48,428 --> 00:03:50,096
As a child, she was taken.

63
00:03:50,096 --> 00:03:51,698
ANDREA CANNING :
It went on for years.

64
00:03:51,731 --> 00:03:53,533
Jan Broberg,
a Pocatello girl

65
00:03:53,566 --> 00:03:54,901
whose family says she was--

66
00:03:54,934 --> 00:03:57,170
--kidnapped
by a trusted family friend.

67
00:03:57,203 --> 00:03:58,538
ANDREA CANNING
But it's

68
00:03:58,571 --> 00:04:01,941
almost inconceivable that Jan
and her family survived it.

69
00:04:04,477 --> 00:04:07,313
Jan is 60 now and still
dealing with the aftermath

70
00:04:07,347 --> 00:04:08,882
of these horrors.

71
00:04:08,915 --> 00:04:12,052
So she's decided to
revisit for the first time

72
00:04:12,052 --> 00:04:14,921
all those places where
her trauma happened

73
00:04:14,954 --> 00:04:17,624
and to confront her
demon one last time.

74
00:04:26,366 --> 00:04:29,669
That demon's name
was Robert Berchtold.

75
00:04:29,703 --> 00:04:33,106
Everyone called him B.
He called her Dolly.

76
00:04:41,081 --> 00:04:42,082
ANDREA CANNING:
Robert Berchtold

77
00:04:42,115 --> 00:04:44,517
set his sights on
you and really knew

78
00:04:44,551 --> 00:04:45,952
exactly what he was doing.

79
00:04:45,985 --> 00:04:47,387
He had a plan.

80
00:04:47,420 --> 00:04:50,123
Definitely,
I know that's true.

81
00:04:50,156 --> 00:04:51,324
ANDREA CANNING:
That's so horrible.

82
00:04:51,358 --> 00:04:56,529
Yeah, it really is so
hard to talk about almost

83
00:04:56,563 --> 00:04:59,099
because, you know,
you don't really

84
00:04:59,099 --> 00:05:02,669
know how to have the words
when you were that age.

85
00:05:02,702 --> 00:05:05,705
I would call it icky
or the icky stuff.

86
00:05:05,739 --> 00:05:10,210
But I didn't really have the
words or the strength, even,

87
00:05:10,243 --> 00:05:11,878
to call it what it was.

88
00:05:11,911 --> 00:05:12,812
You know?

89
00:05:12,846 --> 00:05:15,682
You don't say, this
grown man raped

90
00:05:15,715 --> 00:05:19,853
my little 12-year-old
prepubescent body, you know?

91
00:05:19,886 --> 00:05:23,890
You don't say those
words until you can.

92
00:05:23,923 --> 00:05:25,792
Which took a long
time to say that.

93
00:05:25,825 --> 00:05:26,626
Took a long time.

94
00:05:37,704 --> 00:05:38,772
ANDREA CANNING:
You were robbed--

95
00:05:38,805 --> 00:05:39,639
Yeah.

96
00:05:39,673 --> 00:05:40,707
Yes.

97
00:05:40,740 --> 00:05:41,975
--of a very important
time in your life.

98
00:05:42,075 --> 00:05:42,976
Yes.

99
00:05:43,076 --> 00:05:44,711
It's like time
stopped for you, almost.

100
00:05:44,744 --> 00:05:45,679
It did, yeah.

101
00:06:01,628 --> 00:06:03,196
I think I grew up in Camelot.

102
00:06:07,934 --> 00:06:09,736
Pocatello was just a
wonderful hometown.

103
00:06:12,672 --> 00:06:14,140
It was so safe.

104
00:06:14,174 --> 00:06:15,475
It was so happy.

105
00:06:15,508 --> 00:06:18,945
It was ride your bikes down
to the local grocery store,

106
00:06:19,045 --> 00:06:22,749
buy some penny candy,
and go to the park.

107
00:06:22,782 --> 00:06:25,719
Nobody worried
about where we were.

108
00:06:25,752 --> 00:06:26,553
It was carefree.

109
00:06:30,357 --> 00:06:31,791
And nobody locks their door.

110
00:06:31,825 --> 00:06:34,527
And we talked at the
dinner table every night.

111
00:06:34,561 --> 00:06:36,296
Our family was--

112
00:06:36,329 --> 00:06:37,530
Communicated.

113
00:06:37,564 --> 00:06:38,531
We did.

114
00:06:38,565 --> 00:06:40,166
We've always talked a lot.

115
00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:41,201
Mm-hmm, yes, we have.

116
00:06:41,234 --> 00:06:43,603
We may talk too much.

117
00:06:43,636 --> 00:06:44,537
This was a tight family.

118
00:06:44,571 --> 00:06:45,739
- Yes.
- Exactly.

119
00:06:45,772 --> 00:06:46,539
Very much.

120
00:06:46,573 --> 00:06:48,208
We knew our neighbors.

121
00:06:48,241 --> 00:06:51,444
We knew the extended
neighbors at church.

122
00:06:51,478 --> 00:06:54,514
And we were well
cared for children,

123
00:06:54,547 --> 00:06:57,851
who had lots of friends and
were part of a community

124
00:06:57,884 --> 00:07:00,153
that my parents
lived in for years.

125
00:07:03,923 --> 00:07:06,092
ANDREA CANNING :
But everything changed.

126
00:07:06,126 --> 00:07:10,030
In 1972, when Jan was
nine, Robert Berchtold

127
00:07:10,030 --> 00:07:11,431
bought the local
furniture store

128
00:07:11,464 --> 00:07:13,433
and moved into town
with his wife, Gail,

129
00:07:13,466 --> 00:07:15,502
and their five children.

130
00:07:15,535 --> 00:07:17,871
The Brobergs met the
Berchtolds at church,

131
00:07:17,904 --> 00:07:21,408
and the two families
hit it off immediately.

132
00:07:21,441 --> 00:07:23,243
In those early years,
everyone thought

133
00:07:23,276 --> 00:07:26,379
B was the nicest guy in town.

134
00:07:26,413 --> 00:07:28,915
People would say he would
do anything for anybody.

135
00:07:28,948 --> 00:07:31,084
Oh, my word, he is so nice.

136
00:07:31,117 --> 00:07:32,285
And he was.

137
00:07:32,318 --> 00:07:34,454
He would go over and fix
the little ladies' toilet

138
00:07:34,487 --> 00:07:36,623
or handle on their door.

139
00:07:36,656 --> 00:07:39,325
Or I mean, he would do things
for people all the time.

140
00:07:39,359 --> 00:07:41,094
I mean, the
neighbors loved him.

141
00:07:41,127 --> 00:07:42,829
The congregation loved him.

142
00:07:42,862 --> 00:07:44,664
The business
community loved him.

143
00:07:44,698 --> 00:07:45,799
We had pillow fights.

144
00:07:45,832 --> 00:07:47,934
And he would jump on
the trampoline with you.

145
00:07:47,967 --> 00:07:49,803
And, you know,
I mean, he was--

146
00:07:49,836 --> 00:07:52,706
as a kid, he just was fun.

147
00:08:01,147 --> 00:08:02,749
ANDREA CANNING :
But looking back now,

148
00:08:02,782 --> 00:08:05,552
Jan and her family say it's
clear that Berchtold was

149
00:08:05,585 --> 00:08:08,888
always plotting and scheming,
even while appearing

150
00:08:08,922 --> 00:08:10,323
to be generous.

151
00:08:10,357 --> 00:08:12,692
Jan and I, we shared a room.

152
00:08:12,726 --> 00:08:15,628
And he said Jan and Karen
need to have their own rooms.

153
00:08:15,662 --> 00:08:17,831
They're getting older,
and they need that.

154
00:08:17,864 --> 00:08:19,332
This room is so big.

155
00:08:19,366 --> 00:08:20,934
We can divide this room.

156
00:08:21,034 --> 00:08:22,669
I'll do it for you.

157
00:08:22,702 --> 00:08:24,437
You know, and I remember
it was a big project.

158
00:08:24,471 --> 00:08:27,674
He brought us all hammers.

159
00:08:27,707 --> 00:08:33,680
And we got to hammer down the
wall and punch the wall out.

160
00:08:33,713 --> 00:08:36,349
You know, he was the hero,
building these bedrooms

161
00:08:36,383 --> 00:08:37,484
for these two girls.

162
00:08:41,054 --> 00:08:42,555
That's why this
is so complicated

163
00:08:42,589 --> 00:08:45,759
because it wasn't like Robert
Berchtold went from 0 to 100.

164
00:08:45,792 --> 00:08:46,559
No.

165
00:08:46,593 --> 00:08:47,861
You know, this was a build.

166
00:08:47,894 --> 00:08:48,962
It was a slow burn.

167
00:08:49,062 --> 00:08:50,330
- To get Jan.
- Yes.

168
00:08:50,363 --> 00:08:51,131
To get you.

169
00:08:51,164 --> 00:08:53,166
That's what he was after.

170
00:08:53,199 --> 00:08:55,068
But the patience.

171
00:08:55,068 --> 00:08:58,271
We did hundreds of
activities with this family.

172
00:08:58,304 --> 00:09:04,144
He always had something
going on that allowed us

173
00:09:04,177 --> 00:09:07,013
and all of the family
to be together.

174
00:09:09,749 --> 00:09:11,117
The things he would
do with me would

175
00:09:11,151 --> 00:09:14,087
be things like compliments.

176
00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,723
Jan's such an amazing actress.

177
00:09:16,756 --> 00:09:20,026
Or, oh, my word, I love
what she sang, that sweet

178
00:09:20,026 --> 00:09:22,295
song she sang in church.

179
00:09:22,328 --> 00:09:26,733
He would do things to
build up my confidence.

180
00:09:26,766 --> 00:09:30,036
And he just knew
how to make sure

181
00:09:30,036 --> 00:09:31,438
that everybody felt that way.

182
00:09:31,471 --> 00:09:33,340
Like, he would build
every person up.

183
00:09:39,212 --> 00:09:40,613
So he's
building, building,

184
00:09:40,647 --> 00:09:43,383
building, to the point
where your parents

185
00:09:43,416 --> 00:09:44,951
trust him explicitly.

186
00:09:45,051 --> 00:09:48,655
Totally, and was having
a special relationship

187
00:09:48,688 --> 00:09:49,723
with each one of them.

188
00:09:49,756 --> 00:09:51,591
He was becoming a
best friend over here

189
00:09:51,624 --> 00:09:55,929
and giving my mom compliments.

190
00:09:55,962 --> 00:09:57,731
ANDREA CANNING :
Being the predator he was,

191
00:09:57,764 --> 00:10:00,667
Berchtold might have sensed
Jan's mother, Mary Ann,

192
00:10:00,700 --> 00:10:02,569
was particularly vulnerable.

193
00:10:02,602 --> 00:10:05,171
And as a stay-at-home
mom in a small community,

194
00:10:05,205 --> 00:10:07,640
Mary Ann says she did
feel sheltered and lonely.

195
00:10:10,643 --> 00:10:12,112
He
called me every day.

196
00:10:12,145 --> 00:10:16,616
And I would listen
to his lies.

197
00:10:16,649 --> 00:10:18,651
And he'd flirt with me.

198
00:10:18,685 --> 00:10:20,587
Oh, you're such a
beautiful woman.

199
00:10:20,620 --> 00:10:23,523
He just had a way
about him that he

200
00:10:23,556 --> 00:10:27,060
wanted you to feel good.

201
00:10:27,093 --> 00:10:29,929
He just had a
winning personality.

202
00:10:29,963 --> 00:10:32,932
And I took to that.

203
00:10:32,966 --> 00:10:38,538
He became someone that
I had feelings for.

204
00:10:38,571 --> 00:10:40,306
ANDREA CANNING :
Once in those early days,

205
00:10:40,340 --> 00:10:43,076
she even shared a secret
kiss with Berchtold,

206
00:10:43,109 --> 00:10:46,479
a seed he planted that would
explode into a sordid affair

207
00:10:46,513 --> 00:10:47,547
a few years later.

208
00:10:51,384 --> 00:10:54,954
He was the master of
disguise, of deception.

209
00:10:54,988 --> 00:10:58,692
He was a master manipulator.

210
00:10:58,725 --> 00:11:02,062
The predator isn't just
grooming the child.

211
00:11:02,062 --> 00:11:05,398
They're grooming everyone
around that orbit

212
00:11:05,432 --> 00:11:07,834
to trust them so
that they might

213
00:11:07,867 --> 00:11:09,936
gain access to the child.

214
00:11:11,938 --> 00:11:13,473
ANDREA CANNING :
What Berchtold told

215
00:11:13,506 --> 00:11:17,177
convince Jan's father
Bob to do was diabolical,

216
00:11:17,210 --> 00:11:19,112
a seduction that
Jan says would haunt

217
00:11:19,145 --> 00:11:22,615
him until his death in 2018.

218
00:11:22,649 --> 00:11:25,852
So now, Berchtold
has made Dad--

219
00:11:25,885 --> 00:11:27,620
you know, best friends.

220
00:11:27,654 --> 00:11:30,323
They're super close friends.

221
00:11:30,357 --> 00:11:32,592
So one night, Berchtold
starts telling

222
00:11:32,625 --> 00:11:34,694
Dad about my
miserable marriage

223
00:11:34,728 --> 00:11:36,363
and, like, I haven't been
intimate with my wife

224
00:11:36,396 --> 00:11:37,397
for over a year.

225
00:11:37,430 --> 00:11:39,432
They were driving
up in the mountains.

226
00:11:39,466 --> 00:11:42,102
Yeah, they were
just going on a ride.

227
00:11:42,135 --> 00:11:45,572
And he said, Bob, I just
really need some relief.

228
00:11:45,605 --> 00:11:47,107
Berchtold called
it kids' stuff.

229
00:11:47,140 --> 00:11:48,308
He's like, oh,
Bob, get over it.

230
00:11:48,341 --> 00:11:50,110
It's just kid stuff, you know?

231
00:11:50,143 --> 00:11:52,112
It's just--
please, just do it.

232
00:11:52,112 --> 00:11:53,113
What did happen exactly?

233
00:11:53,113 --> 00:11:56,116
My dad basically
masturbated him.

234
00:11:56,116 --> 00:11:57,384
Why would he do that?

235
00:11:57,417 --> 00:11:58,585
like that.

236
00:11:58,618 --> 00:12:00,120
Because his best
friend is literally

237
00:12:00,153 --> 00:12:02,589
begging him to do it.

238
00:12:02,622 --> 00:12:03,623
And
my dad did it,

239
00:12:03,656 --> 00:12:06,159
and he never forgave himself.

240
00:12:06,192 --> 00:12:08,294
You had intimate
relations with Robert.

241
00:12:08,328 --> 00:12:11,598
And your husband, your
dad had intimate relations

242
00:12:11,631 --> 00:12:12,766
with Robert.
- Yep.

243
00:12:12,799 --> 00:12:13,566
Yep.

244
00:12:13,600 --> 00:12:14,601
It's insane.

245
00:12:14,634 --> 00:12:15,969
All to get to her.

246
00:12:21,107 --> 00:12:22,709
ANDREA CANNING :
Jan vividly remembers

247
00:12:22,742 --> 00:12:25,178
the first time Berchtold
did something to her

248
00:12:25,211 --> 00:12:27,881
that seemed inappropriate.

249
00:12:27,914 --> 00:12:30,517
We had decided
that all the kids were going

250
00:12:30,550 --> 00:12:32,519
to sleep on the trampoline,
all the Berchtold

251
00:12:32,552 --> 00:12:34,254
kids and the Broberg girls.

252
00:12:34,287 --> 00:12:35,889
We all have sleeping bags.

253
00:12:35,922 --> 00:12:38,792
We all pile on the
trampoline at their house.

254
00:12:38,825 --> 00:12:39,592
It was late.

255
00:12:39,626 --> 00:12:40,960
We were all asleep.

256
00:12:40,994 --> 00:12:43,830
And I just remember waking up.

257
00:12:43,863 --> 00:12:46,933
And I knew that
something was wrong.

258
00:12:46,966 --> 00:12:48,301
Like, it felt
like my nightgown

259
00:12:48,335 --> 00:12:49,502
was twisted around me.

260
00:12:49,536 --> 00:12:52,238
And B was not in
my sleeping bag,

261
00:12:52,272 --> 00:12:54,474
but he was right next to me.

262
00:12:54,507 --> 00:12:56,910
And so I'm upset.

263
00:12:56,943 --> 00:12:57,711
I'm a little kid.

264
00:12:57,744 --> 00:12:59,279
I'm like 10 or 11.

265
00:12:59,312 --> 00:13:03,083
And so his wife, who
was such a sweet,

266
00:13:03,116 --> 00:13:06,186
wonderful, angel
person, she just

267
00:13:06,219 --> 00:13:07,554
took me right in her arms.

268
00:13:07,587 --> 00:13:09,889
And Jannie, let me--
what's going on?

269
00:13:09,923 --> 00:13:12,459
And she basically just looked
at him, and she's like,

270
00:13:12,492 --> 00:13:14,127
what happened?

271
00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:15,528
He was like, I mean,
I didn't do anything.

272
00:13:15,562 --> 00:13:16,730
I don't know.

273
00:13:16,763 --> 00:13:18,365
I mean, just was going to
zip up her sleeping bag

274
00:13:18,398 --> 00:13:19,566
and make sure she was warm.

275
00:13:19,599 --> 00:13:20,900
Did Gail believe him?

276
00:13:20,934 --> 00:13:21,835
Oh, yeah.

277
00:13:21,868 --> 00:13:25,538
Yeah, she believed him.

278
00:13:25,572 --> 00:13:31,811
Again, so did I.
So did all of us.

279
00:13:31,845 --> 00:13:34,180
The degree to which
Berchtold had a relationship

280
00:13:34,214 --> 00:13:35,482
with both the father
and the mother

281
00:13:35,515 --> 00:13:36,850
and then used
that to manipulate

282
00:13:36,883 --> 00:13:40,086
them to gain
access to Jan, it's

283
00:13:40,120 --> 00:13:41,488
really quite an extreme case.

284
00:13:41,521 --> 00:13:44,124
He was quite manipulative
and pathological.

285
00:13:44,157 --> 00:13:47,260
So I mean, it's not typical
what we generally see

286
00:13:47,293 --> 00:13:50,130
in childhood sexual abuse.

287
00:13:50,163 --> 00:13:51,431
I think it's so
important for us

288
00:13:51,464 --> 00:13:55,435
to recognize that these are
people in our communities.

289
00:13:55,468 --> 00:13:59,572
This is not, you know, the
stranger in the white van.

290
00:13:59,606 --> 00:14:00,507
This is our uncle.

291
00:14:00,540 --> 00:14:01,941
This is our priest.

292
00:14:02,042 --> 00:14:03,243
This is our soccer coach.

293
00:14:03,276 --> 00:14:05,045
This is somebody we
know from church who

294
00:14:05,045 --> 00:14:06,880
is our best family friend.

295
00:14:06,913 --> 00:14:07,947
A friend of the family.

296
00:14:08,048 --> 00:14:09,249
Absolutely.

297
00:14:17,691 --> 00:14:18,725
ANDREA CANNING:
Jan, we're going

298
00:14:18,758 --> 00:14:22,529
to go to different
locations of moments in

299
00:14:22,562 --> 00:14:24,931
this awful history of yours.

300
00:14:24,964 --> 00:14:27,267
Yeah.

301
00:14:27,300 --> 00:14:29,235
The most important
part of it for me,

302
00:14:29,269 --> 00:14:32,839
personally, will be
to go to places where

303
00:14:32,872 --> 00:14:35,542
such unbelievable
experiences happened

304
00:14:35,575 --> 00:14:38,278
and be able to
face them dead-on

305
00:14:38,311 --> 00:14:42,082
as an adult, as the mama
tiger, who takes care

306
00:14:42,115 --> 00:14:46,086
of the little girl that's
still in me, and can say,

307
00:14:46,086 --> 00:14:46,953
I'm here.

308
00:14:46,986 --> 00:14:48,088
We're going to
do this together.

309
00:14:56,963 --> 00:14:58,465
What
is our first stop?

310
00:14:58,498 --> 00:14:59,532
My
childhood home.

311
00:15:01,434 --> 00:15:02,702
ANDREA CANNING
It's

312
00:15:02,736 --> 00:15:05,271
been almost 20 years since
Jan has been to her old home

313
00:15:05,305 --> 00:15:07,073
in Pocatello, Idaho.

314
00:15:07,107 --> 00:15:09,342
She sees the house as a
place where her childhood

315
00:15:09,376 --> 00:15:11,811
happy times were
doomed to disappear

316
00:15:11,845 --> 00:15:15,081
once Robert Berchtold
crossed a threshold.

317
00:15:15,115 --> 00:15:17,384
This is
where the nightmare began.

318
00:15:17,417 --> 00:15:19,285
This is where
the nightmare began, yes.

319
00:15:39,372 --> 00:15:41,074
Oh, wow.

320
00:15:41,107 --> 00:15:43,677
Oh, this is different.

321
00:15:43,710 --> 00:15:44,678
There's our fireplace.

322
00:15:44,711 --> 00:15:45,912
That's the same.

323
00:15:45,945 --> 00:15:47,714
This is where our big
dining room table was.

324
00:15:47,747 --> 00:15:49,983
And, you know, the
piano sat here.

325
00:15:50,083 --> 00:15:55,388
And so this is where Dad
would sit and play the piano.

326
00:15:55,422 --> 00:15:56,589
Mom would be on her guitar.

327
00:15:56,623 --> 00:15:58,458
And the three of
us, and my mom,

328
00:15:58,491 --> 00:16:00,460
too, we all sang around
the piano with my dad.

329
00:16:00,493 --> 00:16:01,461
-Aw.
-Yeah.

330
00:16:01,494 --> 00:16:02,362
ANDREA CANNING:
That's a great memory.

331
00:16:02,395 --> 00:16:03,697
It's a great
memory, actually.

332
00:16:15,875 --> 00:16:16,643
OK.

333
00:16:22,916 --> 00:16:23,717
Wow.

334
00:16:28,722 --> 00:16:32,058
Is this the wall that
Berchtold put right here?

335
00:16:32,058 --> 00:16:33,059
Yes, this is
the wall that he

336
00:16:33,093 --> 00:16:34,661
built in the closet, uh-huh.

337
00:16:34,694 --> 00:16:36,663
So he divided you and Karen.

338
00:16:36,696 --> 00:16:39,799
Yep, he divided this
great, big, huge room.

339
00:16:39,833 --> 00:16:42,669
You know now why he
put this wall in here.

340
00:16:42,702 --> 00:16:43,603
Oh, yeah.

341
00:16:43,636 --> 00:16:46,606
It was all in
part of the plan.

342
00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:49,142
So Mom and Dad are way
on that end of the house.

343
00:16:49,175 --> 00:16:53,113
Nobody's above this room, you
know, sleeping or anything.

344
00:16:53,146 --> 00:16:55,482
It's totally isolated.

345
00:16:55,515 --> 00:16:56,916
ANDREA CANNING :
Jan's isolation

346
00:16:56,950 --> 00:16:58,585
was just the beginning.

347
00:16:58,618 --> 00:17:02,322
Next, Berchtold concocted a
bizarre story he presented

348
00:17:02,355 --> 00:17:04,758
to her parents
and unbelievably

349
00:17:04,791 --> 00:17:10,330
used it to get himself into
Jan's bedroom alone at night.

350
00:17:10,363 --> 00:17:13,366
So after, gosh,
B had been a part of our lives

351
00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:16,870
for over two years, he
confided in my parents

352
00:17:16,903 --> 00:17:19,739
that he was seeing a
therapist for depression.

353
00:17:19,773 --> 00:17:23,109
And he said you have
to have these tapes,

354
00:17:23,143 --> 00:17:24,477
and you listen to them.

355
00:17:24,511 --> 00:17:28,048
And you lay next to a child
of the same sex as the person

356
00:17:28,081 --> 00:17:31,317
that you first remember
having the depression around.

357
00:17:31,351 --> 00:17:34,354
That's what
his therapist had told him.

358
00:17:34,387 --> 00:17:40,894
And I said, he wants you to
be with Jan when she's asleep

359
00:17:40,927 --> 00:17:44,064
and have those tapes played?

360
00:17:44,064 --> 00:17:45,298
I don't understand it.

361
00:17:45,331 --> 00:17:51,504
And he talked to Bob, my
husband, Bob, and said,

362
00:17:51,538 --> 00:17:54,341
you've got to see
if this will help.

363
00:17:54,374 --> 00:17:56,242
I've got to get over this.

364
00:17:56,276 --> 00:18:01,181
I've got to get back to my
own life, my own family.

365
00:18:01,214 --> 00:18:05,318
And we allowed him to do it.

366
00:18:05,352 --> 00:18:08,388
He was, we thought,
our best friend.

367
00:18:08,421 --> 00:18:13,560
And he would never do
anything to harm our child.

368
00:18:13,593 --> 00:18:14,828
It wasn't like
the door was shut.

369
00:18:14,861 --> 00:18:16,229
He wasn't under the covers.

370
00:18:16,262 --> 00:18:17,731
He was on top of the covers.

371
00:18:17,764 --> 00:18:21,701
Mom was coming in through the
door, putting laundry away.

372
00:18:21,735 --> 00:18:23,837
Robert Berchtold
was the ultimate wolf

373
00:18:23,870 --> 00:18:24,838
in sheep's clothing.

374
00:18:24,871 --> 00:18:25,805
Totally.

375
00:18:25,839 --> 00:18:28,041
Around your parents
and your family.

376
00:18:28,041 --> 00:18:29,309
Yeah.

377
00:18:29,342 --> 00:18:32,178
You'd have to imagine your
brother being that predator.

378
00:18:32,212 --> 00:18:34,080
And you would never
see it coming.

379
00:18:34,114 --> 00:18:37,717
It's just that deep.

380
00:18:37,751 --> 00:18:38,918
ANDREA CANNING
Finally,

381
00:18:38,952 --> 00:18:41,955
after more than two years
of charming and seducing

382
00:18:42,055 --> 00:18:45,859
and grooming, the
fateful moment arrived.

383
00:18:45,892 --> 00:18:47,794
Berchtold told
Jan's mother that he

384
00:18:47,827 --> 00:18:49,529
had to deliver
furniture near the ranch

385
00:18:49,562 --> 00:18:52,132
where the families had gone
horseback riding before.

386
00:18:52,165 --> 00:18:53,700
Wouldn't that be a
great opportunity

387
00:18:53,733 --> 00:18:55,802
to take Jan riding again?

388
00:18:55,835 --> 00:18:58,271
Call her naive
or too trusting,

389
00:18:58,304 --> 00:19:03,176
but Mary Ann said something
she regrets to this day.

390
00:19:03,209 --> 00:19:04,010
She said yes.

391
00:19:07,013 --> 00:19:12,619
And off we
went, October 17, 1974.

392
00:19:12,652 --> 00:19:16,356
That day, everything changed.

393
00:19:28,335 --> 00:19:31,137
What is our
next stop on your journey?

394
00:19:31,171 --> 00:19:35,175
We're headed
to Massacre Rock.

395
00:19:35,208 --> 00:19:38,278
ANDREA CANNING :
It was October 17, 1974.

396
00:19:38,311 --> 00:19:42,215
Jan Broberg had just turned
12, and she was excited.

397
00:19:42,248 --> 00:19:44,617
Robert Berchtold had persuaded
her mother to let her

398
00:19:44,651 --> 00:19:46,853
go horseback riding with him.

399
00:19:46,886 --> 00:19:50,056
My dad told him he couldn't
do it, not on a school night.

400
00:19:50,056 --> 00:19:52,926
And my mom was like,
oh, I know, but you

401
00:19:52,959 --> 00:19:54,194
know how persuasive he is.

402
00:19:54,227 --> 00:19:56,329
Just let him take her.

403
00:19:56,363 --> 00:19:57,697
They'll be home before dinner.

404
00:19:57,731 --> 00:19:58,631
He promised.

405
00:19:58,665 --> 00:20:00,300
They'll be home by 6 o'clock.

406
00:20:00,333 --> 00:20:01,868
ANDREA CANNING :
Jan loved Berchtold

407
00:20:01,901 --> 00:20:04,270
like an uncle, and he had
become one of her parents'

408
00:20:04,304 --> 00:20:06,006
closest friends.

409
00:20:06,039 --> 00:20:08,174
He'd spent more than
two years winning them

410
00:20:08,208 --> 00:20:10,076
over and building his trap.

411
00:20:10,110 --> 00:20:12,545
And now he was about
to reveal the monster

412
00:20:12,579 --> 00:20:14,414
he had hidden so well.

413
00:20:14,447 --> 00:20:16,049
As she got into
Berchtold's car,

414
00:20:16,082 --> 00:20:18,718
he gave her a sedative he
said was an allergy pill.

415
00:20:18,752 --> 00:20:22,489
She took it, and they took
off, not to the ranch,

416
00:20:22,522 --> 00:20:25,492
but to a desolate spot
in the desert a half-hour

417
00:20:25,525 --> 00:20:27,560
from Pocatello.

418
00:20:27,594 --> 00:20:30,063
And that's the moment
that my childhood ended.

419
00:20:33,533 --> 00:20:35,001
ANDREA CANNING:
This is the location

420
00:20:35,035 --> 00:20:36,336
where he kidnapped you.

421
00:20:36,369 --> 00:20:37,237
That's right.

422
00:20:40,707 --> 00:20:43,243
That was the spot.

423
00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:45,879
Everything changed
at Massacre Rock.

424
00:21:29,522 --> 00:21:30,857
ANDREA CANNING
Jan

425
00:21:30,890 --> 00:21:34,227
was unconscious when Berchtold
pulled up to Massacre Rocks.

426
00:21:34,260 --> 00:21:36,730
He carried her from his
car into a motorhome

427
00:21:36,763 --> 00:21:39,833
he had parked nearby.

428
00:21:39,866 --> 00:21:42,602
I don't remember this place.

429
00:21:42,635 --> 00:21:46,106
He had drugged me, given
me an allergy pill.

430
00:21:46,106 --> 00:21:47,273
I was so sleepy.

431
00:21:47,307 --> 00:21:51,978
And I don't remember him
taking me out of the car.

432
00:21:52,012 --> 00:21:57,517
But now I can
put a face on it.

433
00:21:57,550 --> 00:21:58,418
Off you went--

434
00:21:58,451 --> 00:21:59,352
Off we went.

435
00:21:59,386 --> 00:22:00,520
--into the motor
home, leaving,

436
00:22:00,553 --> 00:22:02,389
essentially, no trace behind.

437
00:22:02,422 --> 00:22:06,059
Yeah, nobody
could know where we were.

438
00:22:06,092 --> 00:22:08,795
And certainly, nobody was
suspecting him at the time.

439
00:22:08,828 --> 00:22:10,096
We loved this man.

440
00:22:18,805 --> 00:22:20,140
When
she didn't come home,

441
00:22:20,173 --> 00:22:22,342
I remember my dad being
very upset because he

442
00:22:22,375 --> 00:22:24,678
didn't want her to
go horseback riding,

443
00:22:24,711 --> 00:22:26,613
and he told her no.

444
00:22:26,646 --> 00:22:28,882
And he's like, we've
got to find her.

445
00:22:28,915 --> 00:22:30,316
Were you scared?

446
00:22:30,350 --> 00:22:34,654
Yeah, I was scared because
it just was so different.

447
00:22:34,688 --> 00:22:36,890
I wasn't afraid that
he would hurt Jan.

448
00:22:36,923 --> 00:22:38,625
Nobody thought that.

449
00:22:38,658 --> 00:22:40,527
He-- you know.

450
00:22:40,560 --> 00:22:42,195
I mean, we trusted him.

451
00:22:42,228 --> 00:22:44,564
And so you're not
thinking kidnapping.

452
00:22:44,597 --> 00:22:49,736
I mean, that just doesn't
even really register.

453
00:22:49,769 --> 00:22:51,838
MARY ANN BROBERG:
I was frantic.

454
00:22:51,871 --> 00:22:54,441
And I thought there's
something going on.

455
00:22:54,474 --> 00:22:56,710
I don't know what it is.

456
00:22:56,743 --> 00:23:01,381
The next day, we had a
call from the sheriff

457
00:23:01,414 --> 00:23:07,120
in American Falls, who
said we found this car,

458
00:23:07,153 --> 00:23:10,223
and it had blood in
it and on the windows.

459
00:23:10,256 --> 00:23:13,193
And we found Jan's
schoolbooks in here.

460
00:23:13,226 --> 00:23:15,061
Oh, that's terrifying.

461
00:23:15,061 --> 00:23:16,596
Did you think that
Robert Berchtold

462
00:23:16,629 --> 00:23:18,498
had had done anything
to Jan or that they

463
00:23:18,531 --> 00:23:19,899
were both in danger?

464
00:23:19,933 --> 00:23:21,167
That they both were.

465
00:23:21,201 --> 00:23:24,070
If something happened
to her, of course,

466
00:23:24,070 --> 00:23:24,938
it happened to him.

467
00:23:27,574 --> 00:23:35,482
My sweet family that had to
find that car with the blood

468
00:23:35,515 --> 00:23:39,319
on it and all that didn't know
if I was dead in the water,

469
00:23:39,352 --> 00:23:40,520
alive.

470
00:23:40,553 --> 00:23:44,290
It was just-- that's just
really what is coming up

471
00:23:44,324 --> 00:23:47,961
for me right here, like,
what they felt, not

472
00:23:47,994 --> 00:23:51,731
knowing where your child is.

473
00:23:51,765 --> 00:23:53,867
The
police find a lead.

474
00:23:53,900 --> 00:23:55,468
Yeah,
there's a broken window,

475
00:23:55,502 --> 00:23:56,836
and there's blood.

476
00:23:56,870 --> 00:23:59,139
But they said there was
just one set of footprints,

477
00:23:59,172 --> 00:24:02,042
so it looks like
he had carried her.

478
00:24:02,075 --> 00:24:04,477
There wasn't another
person around.

479
00:24:04,511 --> 00:24:05,779
They couldn't find any other.

480
00:24:05,812 --> 00:24:08,581
So my mother called his wife.

481
00:24:08,615 --> 00:24:14,220
And she said, oh, no, I saw
him working on the motorhome

482
00:24:14,254 --> 00:24:15,922
that's in the storage.

483
00:24:15,955 --> 00:24:17,223
He
has another vehicle.

484
00:24:17,257 --> 00:24:19,059
So they
went down and looked,

485
00:24:19,092 --> 00:24:21,061
and it was missing.

486
00:24:21,061 --> 00:24:24,230
The motorhome was missing.

487
00:24:24,264 --> 00:24:26,066
What's the theory then?

488
00:24:26,066 --> 00:24:27,100
Did they have one?

489
00:24:27,133 --> 00:24:29,169
The theory is that
he must have taken her.

490
00:24:29,202 --> 00:24:31,638
I mean, the police is
telling that to my parents.

491
00:24:31,671 --> 00:24:34,074
And they're like, this isn't--

492
00:24:34,107 --> 00:24:38,611
I mean, this can't be real.

493
00:24:38,645 --> 00:24:41,247
And I said, I'm
so angry and so--

494
00:24:41,281 --> 00:24:49,689
feel so terribly stupid that
I would let that man have

495
00:24:49,723 --> 00:24:54,394
any time with my-- with Jan.

496
00:24:54,427 --> 00:24:59,099
I called Gail, and she said,
I don't know what to tell you,

497
00:24:59,099 --> 00:25:00,700
Mary Ann.

498
00:25:00,734 --> 00:25:04,337
She said, he has
five children and me.

499
00:25:04,371 --> 00:25:06,740
Why would he do
something like that?

500
00:25:06,773 --> 00:25:09,042
I don't believe that.

501
00:25:09,042 --> 00:25:12,612
It was a difficult,
difficult situation.

502
00:25:12,645 --> 00:25:16,216
I didn't know how to
feel, except sick.

503
00:25:16,249 --> 00:25:17,283
KAREN BROBERG:
My parents didn't

504
00:25:17,317 --> 00:25:18,585
want it to hit the media.

505
00:25:18,618 --> 00:25:20,253
They didn't want
to hurt his family.

506
00:25:20,286 --> 00:25:23,656
And Gail, his wife,
begged them, please don't.

507
00:25:23,690 --> 00:25:25,692
Please, please don't.

508
00:25:25,725 --> 00:25:26,593
They're going to come back.

509
00:25:26,626 --> 00:25:28,495
Please don't.

510
00:25:28,528 --> 00:25:30,063
ANDREA CANNING :
Police figured out

511
00:25:30,063 --> 00:25:32,298
the crime scene was staged.

512
00:25:32,332 --> 00:25:35,168
They realized this
was a kidnapping.

513
00:25:35,201 --> 00:25:39,072
And Robert Berchtold was now
a 38-year-old fugitive racing

514
00:25:39,072 --> 00:25:42,242
who knew where in a motorhome,
the 12-year-old girl

515
00:25:42,275 --> 00:25:43,076
as his prisoner.

516
00:25:46,513 --> 00:25:52,118
I remember waking up,
and I was in a dark room.

517
00:25:52,152 --> 00:25:55,188
It felt like we were moving.

518
00:25:55,221 --> 00:25:56,523
And I was restrained.

519
00:25:56,556 --> 00:26:01,861
My wrists and ankles were both
held by straps on the bed.

520
00:26:01,895 --> 00:26:04,597
I was so scared, so terrified.

521
00:26:04,631 --> 00:26:07,033
One of
the worst parts about what

522
00:26:07,067 --> 00:26:08,668
happened to you
was that motorhome

523
00:26:08,702 --> 00:26:10,503
that he kidnapped you in.

524
00:26:10,537 --> 00:26:13,907
And you wanted to face
that fear as well.

525
00:26:13,940 --> 00:26:15,442
We can't get the
old motorhome back,

526
00:26:15,475 --> 00:26:17,911
but we found something
that was really close.

527
00:26:22,482 --> 00:26:23,750
Yeah,
I think that's good.

528
00:26:23,783 --> 00:26:28,321
I feel like I need to walk
in there, facing that fear,

529
00:26:28,355 --> 00:26:31,224
facing that terror,
and being able to look

530
00:26:31,257 --> 00:26:37,764
it right between the eyes
and know that I'm in charge.

531
00:26:37,797 --> 00:26:38,598
It'll be good.

532
00:26:57,083 --> 00:26:59,719
Oh, do I really
want to do this?

533
00:27:20,607 --> 00:27:21,675
Oh, man, it's creepy.

534
00:27:26,713 --> 00:27:30,750
What memories is this
triggering for you?

535
00:27:30,784 --> 00:27:34,387
Well, literally,
after I had been

536
00:27:34,421 --> 00:27:36,956
basically incarcerated
in the back half,

537
00:27:37,057 --> 00:27:38,858
there was like a partition.

538
00:27:38,892 --> 00:27:40,660
And that's when I woke up.

539
00:27:40,694 --> 00:27:41,528
That's where I was.

540
00:27:41,561 --> 00:27:43,663
I was on the bed.

541
00:27:43,697 --> 00:27:44,864
I can't go back
there yet, though.

542
00:27:44,898 --> 00:27:46,433
I'll just give
myself a second.

543
00:27:46,466 --> 00:27:47,267
OK.

544
00:27:52,706 --> 00:27:54,574
Yeah, I
think I can go back there.

545
00:27:54,607 --> 00:27:56,076
I'm going to turn around.

546
00:27:56,076 --> 00:27:57,377
I might freak out.

547
00:27:57,410 --> 00:27:59,813
I'm not sure.

548
00:27:59,846 --> 00:28:02,382
Oh, my gosh.

549
00:28:02,415 --> 00:28:05,652
Oh, it's so similar with
the curtains, you know?

550
00:28:05,685 --> 00:28:09,089
And it was back there because
I was literally like--

551
00:28:09,122 --> 00:28:14,194
I was literally like on the
bed, like, laying face up.

552
00:28:14,227 --> 00:28:18,131
I'm just going to do it
because you know what?

553
00:28:18,164 --> 00:28:20,400
We're just going to
be done with this.

554
00:28:20,433 --> 00:28:22,769
We're going to literally--

555
00:28:22,802 --> 00:28:25,038
and I could lift
up my head enough,

556
00:28:25,038 --> 00:28:26,773
but because my wrists
are constrained,

557
00:28:26,806 --> 00:28:28,375
my ankles are constrained.

558
00:28:33,947 --> 00:28:35,715
ANDREA CANNING :
When Jan woke up, strapped

559
00:28:35,749 --> 00:28:37,617
to a bed in the back
of the motorhome,

560
00:28:37,650 --> 00:28:41,221
she heard a voice
coming from a white box,

561
00:28:41,254 --> 00:28:46,559
a strange voice, not quite
human, not very friendly.

562
00:28:46,593 --> 00:28:48,895
And it was giving
her a message.

563
00:28:48,928 --> 00:28:51,164
It is time
for your mission to begin.

564
00:28:51,197 --> 00:28:53,933
Like, those kind of
phrases that it would

565
00:28:53,967 --> 00:28:55,835
repeat over and over again.

566
00:28:55,869 --> 00:28:59,072
What did the
voice tell you the mission

567
00:28:59,072 --> 00:29:00,573
was and your role in it?

568
00:29:00,607 --> 00:29:05,445
So I was half from this
planet, planet Earth, and

569
00:29:05,478 --> 00:29:07,313
half from this alien planet.

570
00:29:07,347 --> 00:29:11,718
And I was to have a child that
would save this alien planet

571
00:29:11,751 --> 00:29:13,019
from destruction.

572
00:29:13,053 --> 00:29:16,356
Like, they needed their--
kind of, like, their savior.

573
00:29:16,389 --> 00:29:18,725
And you had to
have the child by 16, right?

574
00:29:18,758 --> 00:29:21,127
Yes,
by the age of 16.

575
00:29:21,161 --> 00:29:23,229
It's
amazing when you think back

576
00:29:23,263 --> 00:29:29,169
to that moment when you
woke up and just that fear

577
00:29:29,202 --> 00:29:31,538
and that, like, wait, one
minute, you're on your way

578
00:29:31,571 --> 00:29:33,440
to go horseback riding,
and the next, you

579
00:29:33,473 --> 00:29:39,479
wake up in this bed,
tied up with alien voices

580
00:29:39,512 --> 00:29:40,947
in your head.

581
00:29:41,047 --> 00:29:45,919
This literally-- this is
the most terrifying place

582
00:29:45,952 --> 00:29:49,522
I had ever been and I
have ever been since,

583
00:29:49,556 --> 00:29:51,191
was in this room.

584
00:29:51,224 --> 00:29:52,525
This was the torture chamber.

585
00:29:55,562 --> 00:29:57,831
I don't know why I want to
cry, but at the same time,

586
00:29:57,864 --> 00:29:59,599
I want to, like, scream.

587
00:29:59,632 --> 00:30:02,202
It's like, somebody help me!

588
00:30:11,811 --> 00:30:13,079
ANDREA CANNING
: 12-year-old

589
00:30:13,113 --> 00:30:16,950
Jan Broberg had woken up
to an absolute horror.

590
00:30:16,983 --> 00:30:19,386
She was shackled to
a bed in a moving

591
00:30:19,419 --> 00:30:22,589
motorhome with alien
voices screeching

592
00:30:22,622 --> 00:30:24,958
out of a nearby box.

593
00:30:24,991 --> 00:30:30,764
Exhausted and scared, she kept
drifting in and out of sleep.

594
00:30:30,797 --> 00:30:33,933
The motorhome rolled on,
and the voices droned on.

595
00:30:37,170 --> 00:30:40,407
Then, on day
three, she woke up,

596
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,776
and the shackles were gone.

597
00:30:42,809 --> 00:30:46,212
The alien voices directed her
to the front of the motorhome

598
00:30:46,246 --> 00:30:49,182
where she found Robert
Berchtold, who had

599
00:30:49,215 --> 00:30:53,453
staged a terrifying scene.

600
00:30:53,486 --> 00:30:58,992
He was laying on that
couch covered in blood.

601
00:30:59,025 --> 00:31:01,161
I thought he was
dead, you know?

602
00:31:01,194 --> 00:31:02,729
And I'm waking him up.

603
00:31:02,762 --> 00:31:04,831
I'm literally shaking him.

604
00:31:04,864 --> 00:31:06,633
Like, B, B, wake up.

605
00:31:06,666 --> 00:31:07,434
Wake up.

606
00:31:07,467 --> 00:31:08,702
We've been taken.

607
00:31:08,735 --> 00:31:10,270
And this is the first time--

608
00:31:10,303 --> 00:31:12,172
That I've seen him, that
I know that somebody is here

609
00:31:12,205 --> 00:31:13,773
that I know, that I love.

610
00:31:13,807 --> 00:31:14,808
Oh, my gosh.

611
00:31:14,841 --> 00:31:18,845
I thought he was
also kidnapped.

612
00:31:18,878 --> 00:31:20,180
ANDREA CANNING
Berchtold

613
00:31:20,213 --> 00:31:23,516
said the aliens had told him
he was Jan's male companion.

614
00:31:23,550 --> 00:31:27,187
And together, they would
conceive the alien savior.

615
00:31:27,220 --> 00:31:29,389
When she shrieked in
horror, he assured

616
00:31:29,422 --> 00:31:32,225
her he was horrified, too.

617
00:31:32,258 --> 00:31:34,594
But the aliens told him if
they didn't have the baby,

618
00:31:34,627 --> 00:31:37,230
they would be vaporized.

619
00:31:37,263 --> 00:31:38,732
Jan's family would be hurt.

620
00:31:41,601 --> 00:31:43,937
If I didn't
accept this mission

621
00:31:43,970 --> 00:31:49,476
and follow their orders, my
sister Karen would go blind.

622
00:31:49,509 --> 00:31:52,145
My dad would be removed--

623
00:31:52,178 --> 00:31:55,715
killed is what I
assumed that meant.

624
00:31:55,749 --> 00:31:59,586
And my youngest sister Susan
would be chosen in my place.

625
00:31:59,619 --> 00:32:01,755
Because he was
so manipulative

626
00:32:01,788 --> 00:32:05,058
and he intertwined
himself within this story

627
00:32:05,058 --> 00:32:07,127
of alien abduction and
that he was abducted, too,

628
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:08,728
and the two of
them had a mission,

629
00:32:08,762 --> 00:32:10,597
she had no reason
not to trust him.

630
00:32:21,107 --> 00:32:24,144
The FBI come and join
the team searching for Jan.

631
00:32:24,177 --> 00:32:24,911
Yes.

632
00:32:24,944 --> 00:32:25,712
Definitely.

633
00:32:25,745 --> 00:32:27,814
Where do things go?

634
00:32:27,847 --> 00:32:32,218
Nobody had any clue
where he would have gone.

635
00:32:32,252 --> 00:32:34,154
They thought maybe California.

636
00:32:34,187 --> 00:32:38,391
And they all just started
looking for a motorhome.

637
00:32:38,425 --> 00:32:39,559
ANDREA CANNING
The FBI

638
00:32:39,592 --> 00:32:41,294
was searching for
Berchtold and Jan

639
00:32:41,327 --> 00:32:42,862
all over the United States.

640
00:32:42,896 --> 00:32:44,330
But they were gone.

641
00:32:44,364 --> 00:32:46,566
Five days after
he abducted Jan,

642
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:48,935
Berchtold snuck
her into Mexico.

643
00:32:48,968 --> 00:32:50,937
He thought
it would be better if--

644
00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:54,407
to get us through the border,
if I were a boy, not a girl.

645
00:32:54,441 --> 00:32:58,111
And I just sat over
on the copilot seat

646
00:32:58,111 --> 00:33:00,480
and dressed up like a
boy with a little ball

647
00:33:00,513 --> 00:33:01,581
cap on the whole bit.

648
00:33:01,614 --> 00:33:04,150
And they didn't
have any questions.

649
00:33:17,397 --> 00:33:21,234
Here we are in
Mazatlan, Mexico.

650
00:33:21,267 --> 00:33:23,970
You were nearly 2,000
miles from home.

651
00:33:24,070 --> 00:33:27,707
This is the actual beach
that he brought you to.

652
00:33:27,741 --> 00:33:28,842
Right.

653
00:33:28,875 --> 00:33:30,810
The motorhome was just
parked about a block--

654
00:33:30,844 --> 00:33:33,880
maybe a bit-- like
a block away maybe?

655
00:33:33,913 --> 00:33:36,816
It must have been just
so strange as a child

656
00:33:36,850 --> 00:33:41,654
to go from Idaho, and suddenly
you're transported to Mexico.

657
00:33:41,688 --> 00:33:42,489
Yes.

658
00:33:45,291 --> 00:33:46,393
Transported is a good word.

659
00:33:46,426 --> 00:33:47,260
I mean--

660
00:33:47,293 --> 00:33:48,628
And I felt like
I was already

661
00:33:48,661 --> 00:33:50,096
in another world,
another planet

662
00:33:50,130 --> 00:33:52,332
because of the brainwashing.

663
00:33:52,365 --> 00:33:53,166
And I'm just a kid.

664
00:33:55,835 --> 00:33:59,906
You know, this
was a playground.

665
00:33:59,939 --> 00:34:02,442
And I think, in some
ways, it's a very

666
00:34:02,475 --> 00:34:04,444
romantic kind of place.

667
00:34:04,477 --> 00:34:05,645
You know?
I know.

668
00:34:05,679 --> 00:34:06,746
It's so icky.

669
00:34:06,780 --> 00:34:10,383
But it's right here,
sitting on these rocks,

670
00:34:10,417 --> 00:34:13,053
that he had that
little ruby ring.

671
00:34:13,053 --> 00:34:16,890
And he basically said,
we're going to be married,

672
00:34:16,923 --> 00:34:18,324
and here's the ring.

673
00:34:18,358 --> 00:34:20,293
And now everything will be OK.

674
00:34:20,326 --> 00:34:21,361
ANDREA CANNING:
He's giving you,

675
00:34:21,394 --> 00:34:22,662
like, an engagement ring.

676
00:34:22,696 --> 00:34:23,963
Yeah,
like a wedding ring.

677
00:34:24,064 --> 00:34:28,201
You're an American bride
in Mexico at 12 years old.

678
00:34:28,234 --> 00:34:30,503
Right.

679
00:34:30,537 --> 00:34:32,572
For all
of us, hearing your story,

680
00:34:32,605 --> 00:34:34,207
the most disturbing
part of this

681
00:34:34,240 --> 00:34:36,743
is that this is where
he stole your innocence.

682
00:34:36,776 --> 00:34:39,879
And while you would be a child
here on the beach, you know,

683
00:34:39,913 --> 00:34:44,150
by day, back in the
motorhome, he was raping you.

684
00:34:44,184 --> 00:34:46,686
Yes, exactly.

685
00:34:46,720 --> 00:34:48,555
ANDREA CANNING :
When I visited the motorhome

686
00:34:48,588 --> 00:34:51,891
with Jan, she remembered how
she had to mentally detach

687
00:34:51,925 --> 00:34:53,827
herself from what
Berchtold did to her

688
00:34:53,860 --> 00:34:55,362
when they were in Mexico.

689
00:34:55,395 --> 00:34:58,832
It didn't happen
all at once, but, you know,

690
00:34:58,865 --> 00:35:02,502
the beginning of all
of that was here.

691
00:35:02,535 --> 00:35:05,872
But it was like, in
order to cope with that,

692
00:35:05,905 --> 00:35:08,808
your brain literally has to
go somewhere else when you're

693
00:35:08,842 --> 00:35:11,644
this little tiny
kid body, and you

694
00:35:11,678 --> 00:35:13,380
don't know what's going on.

695
00:35:13,413 --> 00:35:15,782
And you just are--

696
00:35:15,815 --> 00:35:17,617
ooh, now the tears
are just coming out

697
00:35:17,650 --> 00:35:21,888
just because I'm angry,
and I'm just sad for her,

698
00:35:21,921 --> 00:35:23,256
that little girl.

699
00:35:23,289 --> 00:35:25,959
And so I would look up through
the-- see that little vent,

700
00:35:26,059 --> 00:35:28,161
and you could see the
leaves of the tree,

701
00:35:28,194 --> 00:35:30,130
you know, usually,
wherever we were parked.

702
00:35:30,163 --> 00:35:33,433
And I would just
count the leaves.

703
00:35:33,466 --> 00:35:36,136
Because sexual abusers built
this special relationship

704
00:35:36,169 --> 00:35:38,672
with the child, the child kind
of values the relationship,

705
00:35:38,705 --> 00:35:39,706
and they don't
want to lose it.

706
00:35:39,739 --> 00:35:41,474
They don't like
the sexual contact.

707
00:35:41,508 --> 00:35:43,743
But at the same point,
this relationship

708
00:35:43,777 --> 00:35:45,078
becomes important to them.

709
00:35:54,754 --> 00:35:56,623
ANDREA CANNING :
Berchtold called his brother,

710
00:35:56,656 --> 00:35:59,492
who told him the FBI was
looking for him and Jan,

711
00:35:59,526 --> 00:36:01,494
so he instructed his
brother to deliver

712
00:36:01,528 --> 00:36:04,497
a threat to Jan's parents.

713
00:36:04,531 --> 00:36:07,767
Let him marry Jan, or they
would never see her again.

714
00:36:07,801 --> 00:36:10,603
Bob and Mary Ann refused.

715
00:36:10,637 --> 00:36:12,439
I
wanted to kill the man.

716
00:36:12,472 --> 00:36:14,908
My husband said,
calm down, Mary Ann.

717
00:36:14,941 --> 00:36:18,111
And I said, I just
feel like I can't--

718
00:36:18,144 --> 00:36:20,513
I don't know what to do.

719
00:36:20,547 --> 00:36:22,582
Bob said, we
can't do anything.

720
00:36:22,615 --> 00:36:26,086
Let's let law
enforcement do their job

721
00:36:26,119 --> 00:36:28,655
and see what they
can find out.

722
00:36:28,688 --> 00:36:31,057
There was
so much stress and so much

723
00:36:31,057 --> 00:36:37,597
trauma with my parents and
his manipulation of them,

724
00:36:37,630 --> 00:36:40,433
that they were
not functioning.

725
00:36:40,467 --> 00:36:43,069
It was all in the
paper every day.

726
00:36:43,103 --> 00:36:48,141
Big story all across
Idaho and Utah.

727
00:36:48,174 --> 00:36:48,942
It was terrible.

728
00:36:48,975 --> 00:36:50,243
It was really terrible.

729
00:36:50,276 --> 00:36:53,613
It was a very-- it was the
most lonely I've ever felt.

730
00:36:55,648 --> 00:36:57,417
ANDREA CANNING :
But Berchtold's threat was

731
00:36:57,450 --> 00:36:59,719
also the FBI's first lead.

732
00:36:59,753 --> 00:37:01,921
So when Berchtold called
his brother again--

733
00:37:03,590 --> 00:37:05,792
--the FBI was tracing it.

734
00:37:07,527 --> 00:37:09,062
He had
to put more money in

735
00:37:09,095 --> 00:37:11,097
because the payphone ran out.

736
00:37:11,131 --> 00:37:13,400
OPERATOR :
Please hang up now.

737
00:37:13,433 --> 00:37:16,670
And the phone company
could trace how much money it

738
00:37:16,703 --> 00:37:19,039
was for that amount of time.

739
00:37:19,039 --> 00:37:20,373
And so then they
could draw a circle

740
00:37:20,407 --> 00:37:22,642
around this is all the
locations that would cost--

741
00:37:22,676 --> 00:37:23,943
Cost
that much money.

742
00:37:24,044 --> 00:37:24,911
Cost that much, yes.

743
00:37:24,944 --> 00:37:26,479
Could they pinpoint
it to Mexico?

744
00:37:26,513 --> 00:37:29,683
So they knew Mazatlan was
one of those areas, yeah.

745
00:37:29,716 --> 00:37:30,483
That's fascinating.

746
00:37:30,517 --> 00:37:31,651
Yeah.

747
00:37:31,685 --> 00:37:34,054
So they sent out a police
to all those places,

748
00:37:34,054 --> 00:37:35,455
and everybody
looked and they said

749
00:37:35,488 --> 00:37:37,190
there is a motorhome parked--

750
00:37:37,223 --> 00:37:38,091
Well, yeah.

751
00:37:38,124 --> 00:37:39,259
--with that description.

752
00:37:49,302 --> 00:37:51,604
I remember it was
really early in the morning.

753
00:37:51,638 --> 00:37:53,373
I was still asleep.

754
00:37:53,406 --> 00:37:55,508
And all of a sudden, there
was this huge commotion,

755
00:37:55,542 --> 00:37:56,710
this pounding on the door.

756
00:37:56,743 --> 00:38:01,648
And the Mexican police
just raided the motorhome.

757
00:38:01,681 --> 00:38:03,583
All of a sudden,
the door flies open.

758
00:38:03,616 --> 00:38:05,018
And the Federales come in.

759
00:38:05,051 --> 00:38:07,554
They grab them, put
him in handcuffs.

760
00:38:07,587 --> 00:38:10,323
They grab me, and then
they just literally, like,

761
00:38:10,357 --> 00:38:11,658
lift us both out of the--

762
00:38:11,691 --> 00:38:12,859
Wow.

763
00:38:12,892 --> 00:38:16,096
--motorhome into this
small kind of little van.

764
00:38:16,129 --> 00:38:17,063
That is terrifying.

765
00:38:17,097 --> 00:38:20,033
It was terrifying.

766
00:38:20,066 --> 00:38:21,701
And then, you know,
a different language.

767
00:38:21,735 --> 00:38:22,802
I don't know what
they're saying,

768
00:38:22,836 --> 00:38:26,373
but they're yelling
and screaming at him.

769
00:38:26,406 --> 00:38:28,241
And I'm frightened for him.

770
00:38:28,274 --> 00:38:29,709
It's like, I feel
like I should

771
00:38:29,743 --> 00:38:31,144
be protecting him almost.

772
00:38:31,177 --> 00:38:32,912
But I'm so scared.

773
00:38:32,946 --> 00:38:35,148
Just big tears are just
rolling down my face.

774
00:38:38,485 --> 00:38:40,253
You
leave the motorhome,

775
00:38:40,286 --> 00:38:42,389
and you're in a
police vehicle.

776
00:38:42,422 --> 00:38:44,391
I'm in the front seat
between two Federales,

777
00:38:44,424 --> 00:38:46,626
and then Berchtold is in
the back in the middle

778
00:38:46,659 --> 00:38:47,694
between two more.

779
00:38:47,727 --> 00:38:49,729
Did he try to communicate
with you at all?

780
00:38:49,763 --> 00:38:52,699
Yeah, actually, that's
one of the creepiest

781
00:38:52,732 --> 00:38:55,168
memories I have,
was him looking

782
00:38:55,201 --> 00:38:57,971
into the rearview mirror.

783
00:38:58,071 --> 00:39:01,741
And he was looking
straight at me.

784
00:39:01,775 --> 00:39:05,311
His eyes were
piercing, as if he

785
00:39:05,345 --> 00:39:10,216
was trying to telepathically,
like, communicate with me.

786
00:39:10,250 --> 00:39:15,221
And they also had some
twinge of fear, which was not

787
00:39:15,255 --> 00:39:16,556
something I had ever seen.

788
00:39:19,693 --> 00:39:23,029
And if you speak,
then you're thinking--

789
00:39:23,029 --> 00:39:24,097
I'll be vaporized.

790
00:39:30,570 --> 00:39:32,372
I mean, I really
look back at how

791
00:39:32,405 --> 00:39:36,843
terrified the little
Jan was, being

792
00:39:36,876 --> 00:39:39,446
taken, going into a jail.

793
00:39:39,479 --> 00:39:42,048
And when they took me inside--

794
00:39:42,048 --> 00:39:43,850
So they put you--

795
00:39:43,883 --> 00:39:44,718
In a room.

796
00:39:44,751 --> 00:39:45,919
In a room.

797
00:39:45,952 --> 00:39:48,788
But it was a very small,
like, a 6 by 6 foot room.

798
00:39:48,822 --> 00:39:50,623
And I sat on a little chair.

799
00:39:50,657 --> 00:39:51,725
That's all that
was in the room.

800
00:39:55,228 --> 00:39:57,097
And all of a sudden, someone's
there and they're saying,

801
00:39:57,130 --> 00:39:57,897
come on.

802
00:39:57,931 --> 00:39:58,765
Get up.

803
00:39:58,798 --> 00:40:00,934
And they take me
down some stairs

804
00:40:00,967 --> 00:40:03,703
into where there's a
whole panel of cells.

805
00:40:03,737 --> 00:40:06,473
And he's behind bars.

806
00:40:06,506 --> 00:40:08,208
So they brought
you to see him--

807
00:40:08,241 --> 00:40:09,009
Right.

808
00:40:09,042 --> 00:40:10,143
--while he's in the cell.

809
00:40:10,176 --> 00:40:11,811
Yes.

810
00:40:11,845 --> 00:40:13,813
And he had bribed the guard.

811
00:40:13,847 --> 00:40:17,083
He'd given the guard
one of his rings.

812
00:40:17,117 --> 00:40:20,053
And so when I was there, he
told me the things that I

813
00:40:20,086 --> 00:40:23,390
could never talk about,
or we'd be vaporized,

814
00:40:23,423 --> 00:40:27,994
or Karen would be blind,
or Susan would go missing.

815
00:40:28,028 --> 00:40:31,097
The brainwashing continued
even when he was behind bars.

816
00:40:31,131 --> 00:40:32,165
Yes.

817
00:40:32,198 --> 00:40:34,134
Yeah, in fact, it was
such a scary place

818
00:40:34,167 --> 00:40:37,904
to be in, it just seared--

819
00:40:37,937 --> 00:40:40,306
it closed the deal, in a way.

820
00:40:46,179 --> 00:40:47,480
What
was it like for you

821
00:40:47,514 --> 00:40:49,149
when you were
reunited with Jan

822
00:40:49,182 --> 00:40:50,617
after she had been in Mexico?

823
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:59,793
We were so happy to
see her and to have her

824
00:40:59,826 --> 00:41:04,464
in our arms and
crying, all of us,

825
00:41:04,497 --> 00:41:09,836
in a circle in the jailhouse.

826
00:41:09,869 --> 00:41:13,973
We could walk out and
be out there and free.

827
00:41:14,074 --> 00:41:16,976
Did you ask her, did
he sexually assault you?

828
00:41:17,077 --> 00:41:17,944
No.

829
00:41:17,977 --> 00:41:18,545
ANDREA CANNING:
You didn't ask her?

830
00:41:18,578 --> 00:41:19,346
Mm-mm.

831
00:41:19,379 --> 00:41:21,281
Why not?

832
00:41:21,314 --> 00:41:25,952
Probably wasn't in my
brain to think that he

833
00:41:25,985 --> 00:41:27,754
would ever do that to her.

834
00:41:27,787 --> 00:41:29,589
ANDREA CANNING :
She didn't ask her daughter

835
00:41:29,622 --> 00:41:32,926
about it, but Mary Ann did
ask a doctor to examine

836
00:41:32,959 --> 00:41:36,162
Jan for signs of abuse.

837
00:41:36,196 --> 00:41:38,465
And
what did the doctor say?

838
00:41:38,498 --> 00:41:43,770
He said he couldn't
find any evidence.

839
00:41:43,803 --> 00:41:45,438
I think
one thing people will have

840
00:41:45,472 --> 00:41:49,009
a hard time with is
the fact that Jan's

841
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:54,748
mom seemed to not know that
any sexual abuse had gone on.

842
00:41:54,781 --> 00:41:57,217
Would you say that maybe there
was a willful ignorance there

843
00:41:57,250 --> 00:42:00,053
that she maybe didn't
want to believe that this

844
00:42:00,053 --> 00:42:01,054
had happened to Jan?

845
00:42:01,087 --> 00:42:02,422
You know, it's hard to say.

846
00:42:02,455 --> 00:42:06,793
I think she wouldn't want her
child to be hurt in any way.

847
00:42:06,826 --> 00:42:08,495
You know, we are looking
at this with the knowledge

848
00:42:08,528 --> 00:42:10,363
that we have today,
and not with what was

849
00:42:10,397 --> 00:42:12,198
going on back in the 1970s.

850
00:42:12,232 --> 00:42:15,235
People didn't know that family
members and friends were

851
00:42:15,268 --> 00:42:17,237
really the sexual abusers.

852
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:20,440
It was only kind of in
the mid '70s, early '80s

853
00:42:20,473 --> 00:42:23,376
that even the FBI started to
understand that there were

854
00:42:23,410 --> 00:42:25,945
some perpetrators who
used these types of what

855
00:42:25,979 --> 00:42:28,948
they call luring behaviors.

856
00:42:28,982 --> 00:42:30,083
ANDREA CANNING
Robert

857
00:42:30,116 --> 00:42:32,085
Berchtold was
extradited from Mexico

858
00:42:32,118 --> 00:42:35,321
and charged with kidnapping.

859
00:42:35,355 --> 00:42:37,257
He claimed he had
abducted Jan in the midst

860
00:42:37,290 --> 00:42:39,259
of a mental breakdown,
and that when he came

861
00:42:39,292 --> 00:42:41,461
to his senses in
Mexico, he heard

862
00:42:41,494 --> 00:42:45,832
the FBI was looking for him,
so he decided to stay put.

863
00:42:45,865 --> 00:42:47,434
Jan helped his case
by saying he had

864
00:42:47,467 --> 00:42:51,104
never touched or harmed her.

865
00:42:51,104 --> 00:42:52,806
Berchtold made bail
and was ordered

866
00:42:52,839 --> 00:42:54,607
to stay away from
Jan, but he had

867
00:42:54,641 --> 00:42:57,811
successfully brainwashed her.

868
00:42:57,844 --> 00:42:59,879
And she believed the
aliens would bring

869
00:42:59,913 --> 00:43:01,047
them back together again.

870
00:43:06,186 --> 00:43:08,221
I know it's not over, and
I know they're watching me.

871
00:43:10,824 --> 00:43:13,526
And I know that he's going to
find a way so we can meet up.

872
00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:14,794
And you were
willing to do that?

873
00:43:14,828 --> 00:43:15,595
And do his dirty work.

874
00:43:15,628 --> 00:43:16,529
Oh, of course.

875
00:43:16,563 --> 00:43:18,064
It's part of the mission.

876
00:43:18,064 --> 00:43:20,066
I'm not pregnant yet
with the alien baby.

877
00:43:30,944 --> 00:43:32,278
ANDREA CANNING
This headline

878
00:43:32,312 --> 00:43:34,614
must have been a shock to
anyone who opened the morning

879
00:43:34,647 --> 00:43:39,085
paper on January 7, 1975,
just a little more than a

880
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,355
month after Jan had
been rescued in Mexico.

881
00:43:42,389 --> 00:43:44,691
Why wouldn't Jan's parents
want Robert Berchtold

882
00:43:44,724 --> 00:43:48,094
prosecuted for kidnapping?

883
00:43:48,094 --> 00:43:50,397
Because behind the scenes,
through his lawyer,

884
00:43:50,430 --> 00:43:53,633
Berchtold was
threatening them.

885
00:43:53,667 --> 00:43:56,336
He told Mary Ann and Bob
Broberg they were guilty,

886
00:43:56,369 --> 00:43:58,138
too.

887
00:43:58,171 --> 00:44:00,473
Said they knew he had
psychological problems,

888
00:44:00,507 --> 00:44:02,542
yet they allowed him
to get close to Jan

889
00:44:02,575 --> 00:44:06,913
and even lie with
her in her own bed.

890
00:44:06,946 --> 00:44:10,483
He was putting us
all into a situation

891
00:44:10,517 --> 00:44:15,088
where we were the bad guys.

892
00:44:15,121 --> 00:44:16,756
He wasn't.

893
00:44:16,790 --> 00:44:17,891
ANDREA CANNING
No one

894
00:44:17,924 --> 00:44:21,094
knew about Bob
Robert's secret,

895
00:44:21,127 --> 00:44:25,365
that sexual encounter he had
with Berchtold in the car.

896
00:44:25,398 --> 00:44:29,102
Now Berchtold blackmailed Bob
by threatening to reveal it.

897
00:44:32,072 --> 00:44:34,808
Dad had told Mom not a
lot about what had happened

898
00:44:34,841 --> 00:44:37,277
with Berchtold in
the car, but enough

899
00:44:37,310 --> 00:44:40,680
that Mom was like, whatever
happened with Berchtold

900
00:44:40,714 --> 00:44:42,515
in the car, they're
going to blab

901
00:44:42,549 --> 00:44:44,651
that out to the whole world.

902
00:44:44,684 --> 00:44:47,420
The attorney for
Berchtold pretty much

903
00:44:47,454 --> 00:44:50,090
threatened that you
don't sign this paper,

904
00:44:50,090 --> 00:44:54,094
we will go to court to
find you an unfit parent

905
00:44:54,127 --> 00:44:56,262
and have all your kids
taken away from you.

906
00:44:59,099 --> 00:45:00,767
ANDREA CANNING :
And so Mary Ann and Bob

907
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:05,372
signed an affidavit that said
Berchtold didn't abuse Jan

908
00:45:05,405 --> 00:45:08,108
and incredibly asked
that he not be prosecuted

909
00:45:08,141 --> 00:45:10,043
for kidnapping her.

910
00:45:10,043 --> 00:45:11,311
ANDREA CANNING:
I don't know how

911
00:45:11,344 --> 00:45:14,047
to say this in the nicest
way, but there are people who

912
00:45:14,047 --> 00:45:16,649
are going to see this story
and want to shake you,

913
00:45:16,683 --> 00:45:18,651
that what were
you all thinking?

914
00:45:18,685 --> 00:45:21,254
Come on, what is
happening here?

915
00:45:21,287 --> 00:45:22,455
That's right.

916
00:45:22,489 --> 00:45:26,292
Can I say, too, the whole
community loved this man

917
00:45:26,326 --> 00:45:28,962
and were behind him?

918
00:45:29,062 --> 00:45:31,865
They would say, you're not
going to prosecute him.

919
00:45:31,898 --> 00:45:33,433
He didn't hurt her, right?

920
00:45:33,466 --> 00:45:34,401
He has a family.

921
00:45:34,434 --> 00:45:35,935
He's got five children.

922
00:45:35,969 --> 00:45:37,203
You can't do that.

923
00:45:37,237 --> 00:45:39,472
So there was that
pressure on my parents.

924
00:45:39,506 --> 00:45:42,275
Plus even our own pressure
not pressuring them,

925
00:45:42,308 --> 00:45:44,911
but we loved that family.

926
00:45:44,944 --> 00:45:46,446
We loved them.

927
00:45:46,479 --> 00:45:48,948
OK, this is
stranger than fiction.

928
00:45:48,982 --> 00:45:51,084
Yeah, it is.

929
00:45:51,084 --> 00:45:52,419
ANDREA CANNING
Jan's parents

930
00:45:52,452 --> 00:45:54,888
retracted their affidavit
four days later,

931
00:45:54,921 --> 00:45:57,724
but the damage was done.

932
00:45:57,757 --> 00:46:00,026
Berchtold was convicted
of kidnapping Jan,

933
00:46:00,026 --> 00:46:04,397
but under a plea deal,
spent just 15 days in jail.

934
00:46:04,431 --> 00:46:06,366
He moved his family
to Ogden, Utah.

935
00:46:06,399 --> 00:46:10,303
And soon after, he
and his wife divorced.

936
00:46:10,337 --> 00:46:14,207
Then he began to terrorize
Jan again in the one place

937
00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:15,241
she should have been safe--

938
00:46:18,778 --> 00:46:20,146
back in her childhood bedroom.

939
00:46:35,762 --> 00:46:39,499
So now I've been
home for a couple of months.

940
00:46:39,532 --> 00:46:45,472
I'm down in my basement
bedroom, fast asleep.

941
00:46:45,505 --> 00:46:49,776
And crazy as this
sounds, all of a sudden,

942
00:46:49,809 --> 00:46:53,446
I wake up to the sound
of the alien voices.

943
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:54,948
The little box
was on my dresser.

944
00:46:57,517 --> 00:46:59,919
You're thinking, this
mission is still on.

945
00:47:00,020 --> 00:47:00,920
Oh, gosh.

946
00:47:01,021 --> 00:47:02,522
The mission is on,
and I have to do

947
00:47:02,555 --> 00:47:03,723
everything they tell me.

948
00:47:03,757 --> 00:47:06,126
I don't want anything bad
to happen to my family.

949
00:47:06,159 --> 00:47:07,227
What are they saying?

950
00:47:07,260 --> 00:47:09,329
You know, keep
yourself prepared.

951
00:47:09,362 --> 00:47:11,398
The male companion
will-- you know.

952
00:47:11,431 --> 00:47:16,036
And obviously, every
single time the box

953
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:18,038
was talking to me,
then within minutes,

954
00:47:18,071 --> 00:47:19,806
he'd walk through the door.

955
00:47:19,839 --> 00:47:21,708
And he would just
be standing there.

956
00:47:21,741 --> 00:47:25,912
And I always remember he had
his socks on, but no shoes.

957
00:47:25,945 --> 00:47:27,447
Berchtold,
after the voices,

958
00:47:27,480 --> 00:47:28,648
would come--
Oh, yeah.

959
00:47:28,682 --> 00:47:30,050
--walk
into your bedroom?

960
00:47:30,050 --> 00:47:32,252
Oh, yeah, so the
mission could continue.

961
00:47:32,285 --> 00:47:35,622
So that he could literally
rape me in this room.

962
00:47:35,655 --> 00:47:36,923
How
did he get in here?

963
00:47:36,956 --> 00:47:37,957
I
don't know if he

964
00:47:38,058 --> 00:47:39,059
came through the back door.

965
00:47:39,092 --> 00:47:41,327
I think he probably did
that because I think

966
00:47:41,361 --> 00:47:43,496
I would have woke up if he'd
have come through either

967
00:47:43,530 --> 00:47:44,464
of these windows.

968
00:47:44,497 --> 00:47:45,699
ANDREA CANNING
Berchtold

969
00:47:45,732 --> 00:47:48,768
knew these secret nighttime
visits were dangerous.

970
00:47:48,802 --> 00:47:51,471
He was particularly worried
he'd be caught by Bob

971
00:47:51,504 --> 00:47:54,474
Broberg, now a sworn enemy.

972
00:47:54,507 --> 00:47:57,477
Berchtold was sure Mary Ann
still had feelings for him,

973
00:47:57,510 --> 00:48:02,615
so he set out to seduce her
and break up the marriage.

974
00:48:02,649 --> 00:48:06,052
I mean, it seems to
me that your husband was

975
00:48:06,086 --> 00:48:08,488
on the right track
here with saying,

976
00:48:08,521 --> 00:48:11,224
you know, he's dead
to us, essentially.

977
00:48:11,257 --> 00:48:12,759
But not to you.

978
00:48:12,792 --> 00:48:14,894
You were still willing
to communicate.

979
00:48:14,928 --> 00:48:16,162
You're right.

980
00:48:16,196 --> 00:48:17,364
I was.

981
00:48:17,397 --> 00:48:22,802
He called me every day to
tell me he was so sorry.

982
00:48:22,836 --> 00:48:24,371
ANDREA CANNING :
Guided by her faith

983
00:48:24,404 --> 00:48:27,173
and perhaps deluded
by a naive trust,

984
00:48:27,207 --> 00:48:30,810
Mary Ann wanted to
forgive Berchtold.

985
00:48:30,844 --> 00:48:32,278
She believed him
when he claimed

986
00:48:32,312 --> 00:48:36,649
that he had a mental breakdown
and that he didn't abuse Jan,

987
00:48:36,683 --> 00:48:38,585
even as he was
continuing to rape

988
00:48:38,618 --> 00:48:40,220
Jan right under her nose.

989
00:48:47,227 --> 00:48:49,863
His wife called
me often and said,

990
00:48:49,896 --> 00:48:54,300
oh, I miss talking to you,
and asked if I'd come down,

991
00:48:54,334 --> 00:48:55,635
and I did.

992
00:48:55,669 --> 00:49:01,741
And who was in the home?

993
00:49:01,775 --> 00:49:03,576
Berchtold was there.

994
00:49:03,610 --> 00:49:07,781
And I didn't expect
to see him at all

995
00:49:07,814 --> 00:49:09,849
because they had divorced.

996
00:49:09,883 --> 00:49:11,317
But he was there.

997
00:49:11,351 --> 00:49:14,521
And he said, oh, it's so
good to see you again.

998
00:49:14,554 --> 00:49:16,056
We need to talk.

999
00:49:16,089 --> 00:49:19,192
And he said, I'm
in love with you.

1000
00:49:19,225 --> 00:49:21,561
And I said, oh.

1001
00:49:21,594 --> 00:49:22,796
He said, you are.

1002
00:49:22,829 --> 00:49:27,300
You're the only woman I
really think about anymore.

1003
00:49:27,334 --> 00:49:28,902
And he said, have
you missed me?

1004
00:49:28,935 --> 00:49:31,805
And I said, yes.

1005
00:49:31,838 --> 00:49:35,642
He said, come over and
see where I'm living.

1006
00:49:35,675 --> 00:49:39,045
And I went over
to his motorhome.

1007
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:43,650
And we sat there and laughed
and talked about the past.

1008
00:49:43,683 --> 00:49:48,488
And that's-- it
just went too far.

1009
00:49:48,521 --> 00:49:49,889
You ended up
sleeping together?

1010
00:49:49,923 --> 00:49:50,724
Yes.

1011
00:49:54,594 --> 00:49:56,229
Mary Ann,
so many people are going

1012
00:49:56,262 --> 00:49:59,299
to be wondering, after
Jan was kidnapped,

1013
00:49:59,332 --> 00:50:03,236
how could you be intimate
with Robert Berchtold?

1014
00:50:03,269 --> 00:50:05,472
How does that happen?

1015
00:50:05,505 --> 00:50:07,607
He said, Jan came back.

1016
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,176
She hasn't talked
about any of that?

1017
00:50:10,210 --> 00:50:13,046
And I said, no, she hasn't.

1018
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:15,982
He said, because
it never happened.

1019
00:50:16,016 --> 00:50:17,884
I didn't violate her.

1020
00:50:17,917 --> 00:50:19,019
He took your
daughter, though.

1021
00:50:19,052 --> 00:50:19,786
Yes.

1022
00:50:19,819 --> 00:50:20,887
He took my daughter.

1023
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,656
So how do you end up
being intimate with him

1024
00:50:23,690 --> 00:50:24,891
after something like that?

1025
00:50:28,261 --> 00:50:31,331
Stupidity.

1026
00:50:31,364 --> 00:50:33,299
Being a stupid woman.

1027
00:50:33,333 --> 00:50:35,735
How did you feel the
next morning after this

1028
00:50:35,769 --> 00:50:37,537
had happened between you two?

1029
00:50:37,570 --> 00:50:40,306
Like a bitch.

1030
00:50:40,340 --> 00:50:46,012
A dirty, lying, son
of a bitch, my father

1031
00:50:46,046 --> 00:50:48,148
would have called me.

1032
00:50:48,181 --> 00:50:48,948
That's honesty.

1033
00:50:48,982 --> 00:50:50,083
And that's true.

1034
00:50:50,116 --> 00:50:53,820
I felt like I had just
messed my whole life up.

1035
00:50:53,853 --> 00:50:56,790
In fact, I said, I'm
going to the river

1036
00:50:56,823 --> 00:50:59,793
and drive my car into it.

1037
00:50:59,826 --> 00:51:02,662
After that, I just
felt like I was trash.

1038
00:51:10,270 --> 00:51:11,638
ANDREA CANNING
After Mary Ann

1039
00:51:11,671 --> 00:51:13,907
met with Berchtold
several more times,

1040
00:51:13,940 --> 00:51:15,709
he called her husband
Bob and told him

1041
00:51:15,742 --> 00:51:18,578
about their sexual encounters.

1042
00:51:18,611 --> 00:51:19,946
His plan worked.

1043
00:51:19,979 --> 00:51:22,082
Jan's parents separated.

1044
00:51:25,352 --> 00:51:27,487
I mean, we've talked about
manipulation, but I mean,

1045
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:29,856
this is like manipulation
after manipulation

1046
00:51:29,889 --> 00:51:30,924
after manipulation.

1047
00:51:30,957 --> 00:51:33,259
And that's why we
see it for what it was.

1048
00:51:33,293 --> 00:51:35,995
We see it for the
master manipulator that

1049
00:51:36,096 --> 00:51:41,234
led our pure, beautiful,
moral, religious, faithful,

1050
00:51:41,267 --> 00:51:44,337
absolutely wonderful parents
down the road of hell.

1051
00:51:48,141 --> 00:51:49,809
ANDREA CANNING :
But within a few weeks,

1052
00:51:49,843 --> 00:51:52,145
the Brobergs' faith
in God and each other

1053
00:51:52,178 --> 00:51:53,947
brought them back together.

1054
00:51:53,980 --> 00:51:58,151
They were once again a
united front, protecting Jan.

1055
00:51:58,184 --> 00:52:00,754
So Berchtold turned
to a new tactic.

1056
00:52:00,787 --> 00:52:02,322
Jan was 14 now.

1057
00:52:02,355 --> 00:52:04,324
So by state law,
if her parents

1058
00:52:04,357 --> 00:52:06,860
gave their permission,
he could marry her.

1059
00:52:06,893 --> 00:52:08,294
He told Jan to get to work.

1060
00:52:10,897 --> 00:52:13,867
It's all about me
pressuring my parents

1061
00:52:13,900 --> 00:52:15,635
to just let me marry him.

1062
00:52:15,669 --> 00:52:16,836
I'm in love with him.

1063
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:18,638
I want you to
let me marry him.

1064
00:52:18,672 --> 00:52:20,774
Your parents are
obviously saying no--

1065
00:52:20,807 --> 00:52:21,574
Of course.

1066
00:52:21,608 --> 00:52:22,509
--to the marriage.

1067
00:52:22,542 --> 00:52:24,077
He's got a hold
of you in some way

1068
00:52:24,110 --> 00:52:27,447
that we can't explain to
you, but please know we will

1069
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:28,882
never give you permission.

1070
00:52:28,915 --> 00:52:30,850
But he's not accepting that.

1071
00:52:30,884 --> 00:52:32,085
Oh, no.

1072
00:52:32,118 --> 00:52:34,287
He's just like, we're going
to have to leave again.

1073
00:52:34,320 --> 00:52:36,756
Bob and Mary Ann
are in the way.

1074
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:38,758
We're going to have to
figure out what the plan is.

1075
00:52:47,701 --> 00:52:50,470
I'm supposed to stage
a fight with my parents

1076
00:52:50,503 --> 00:52:51,938
and just run away.

1077
00:52:51,971 --> 00:52:54,607
And the plan was that I would
go out the window on my own,

1078
00:52:54,641 --> 00:52:57,844
and then I would walk up
to the end of the street.

1079
00:52:57,877 --> 00:53:00,046
She
came home and threw

1080
00:53:00,046 --> 00:53:02,148
a complete and total fit.

1081
00:53:02,182 --> 00:53:03,850
Stormed down the
stairs, slammed

1082
00:53:03,883 --> 00:53:07,387
the door in her bedroom,
wouldn't come out for dinner.

1083
00:53:07,420 --> 00:53:11,858
And the next morning,
she was gone.

1084
00:53:11,891 --> 00:53:13,727
When you woke up and
saw that she was gone--

1085
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,928
I knew he was with her.

1086
00:53:14,961 --> 00:53:15,729
Really?

1087
00:53:15,762 --> 00:53:16,596
You just knew right away?

1088
00:53:16,629 --> 00:53:18,298
Yeah, for sure.

1089
00:53:18,331 --> 00:53:19,132
There was no surprise.

1090
00:53:22,836 --> 00:53:24,137
ANDREA CANNING
The Brobergs

1091
00:53:24,170 --> 00:53:26,139
called the police,
but as usual,

1092
00:53:26,172 --> 00:53:28,241
Berchtold was a step ahead.

1093
00:53:28,274 --> 00:53:29,809
During the night,
he dropped Jan off

1094
00:53:29,843 --> 00:53:31,511
with a family he
knew who believed

1095
00:53:31,544 --> 00:53:34,781
she was his daughter, then
returned home immediately.

1096
00:53:34,814 --> 00:53:37,217
When investigators
arrived to question him,

1097
00:53:37,250 --> 00:53:40,086
he said he had no
idea where Jan was.

1098
00:53:40,086 --> 00:53:41,721
So they're like, he
couldn't have kidnapped her.

1099
00:53:41,755 --> 00:53:43,223
He doesn't have her.

1100
00:53:43,256 --> 00:53:44,657
We know he doesn't have her.

1101
00:53:46,826 --> 00:53:48,161
ANDREA CANNING
A week later,

1102
00:53:48,194 --> 00:53:51,197
when he was sure police had
decided Jan was a runaway,

1103
00:53:51,231 --> 00:53:53,233
Berchtold picked her
up and enrolled her

1104
00:53:53,266 --> 00:53:55,335
in a Catholic boarding
school in Pasadena

1105
00:53:55,368 --> 00:53:57,270
under an assumed name.

1106
00:53:57,303 --> 00:54:02,809
She was Janice Tobler
now, and B was her father.

1107
00:54:02,842 --> 00:54:04,477
Told
the little sweet nuns

1108
00:54:04,511 --> 00:54:08,748
that we had escaped from
Laos and that my mother

1109
00:54:08,782 --> 00:54:10,483
had been killed.

1110
00:54:10,517 --> 00:54:13,586
And so to please not ask
me too many questions,

1111
00:54:13,620 --> 00:54:15,288
but just be really
sweet to me.

1112
00:54:15,321 --> 00:54:19,893
And he's a big high-level
government CIA agent,

1113
00:54:19,926 --> 00:54:22,862
and that people would
come looking for me

1114
00:54:22,896 --> 00:54:25,231
because if they could get
me and torture me, then, for

1115
00:54:25,265 --> 00:54:27,467
sure, he'd come to my rescue.

1116
00:54:27,500 --> 00:54:29,069
And that's how
they'd find him.

1117
00:54:29,069 --> 00:54:30,070
Did the nuns believe him?

1118
00:54:30,103 --> 00:54:31,237
Oh, totally.

1119
00:54:31,271 --> 00:54:32,472
Oh, absolutely.

1120
00:54:32,505 --> 00:54:36,076
And as I'm going
into the school,

1121
00:54:36,109 --> 00:54:40,246
coaching me that one of
the aliens is is a nun.

1122
00:54:40,280 --> 00:54:41,781
We just don't know which one.

1123
00:54:41,815 --> 00:54:42,782
An alien nun?

1124
00:54:42,816 --> 00:54:43,783
Yes.

1125
00:54:43,817 --> 00:54:45,285
Did you feel like
you had found her?

1126
00:54:45,318 --> 00:54:46,319
Oh,
yeah, I knew--

1127
00:54:46,353 --> 00:54:47,120
Which one--

1128
00:54:47,153 --> 00:54:48,288
Oh, it was Sister Charlotte.

1129
00:54:48,321 --> 00:54:49,489
I was scared of her.

1130
00:54:49,522 --> 00:54:50,824
Why did she stick out?

1131
00:54:50,857 --> 00:54:55,762
She had these
ginormous, big eyes

1132
00:54:55,795 --> 00:54:59,866
that looked like this
crystal clear blue color

1133
00:54:59,899 --> 00:55:04,504
that I would think, oh,
she's probably one of them.

1134
00:55:04,537 --> 00:55:05,805
So you're spending,
what, Mondays--

1135
00:55:05,839 --> 00:55:07,173
Monday through Friday
at boarding school?

1136
00:55:07,207 --> 00:55:08,208
Monday through Friday.

1137
00:55:08,241 --> 00:55:09,242
And it's a boarding
school, so you're

1138
00:55:09,275 --> 00:55:10,443
living there the
full time, but he

1139
00:55:10,477 --> 00:55:11,745
would come on the weekends.

1140
00:55:11,778 --> 00:55:14,914
And the weekends were full
of two and three times a day

1141
00:55:14,948 --> 00:55:16,049
of him raping me.

1142
00:55:16,082 --> 00:55:18,051
You know, it was just
getting worse and worse.

1143
00:55:18,084 --> 00:55:18,918
- Oh, that much?
- Yeah, it was a lot.

1144
00:55:20,954 --> 00:55:22,355
ANDREA CANNING :
Berchtold spent

1145
00:55:22,389 --> 00:55:23,923
weekdays at his own house.

1146
00:55:24,824 --> 00:55:25,859
ROBERT BERCHTOLD
Hi.

1147
00:55:25,892 --> 00:55:27,193
MARY ANN BROBERG
Hi, B.

1148
00:55:27,227 --> 00:55:28,495
ANDREA CANNING
He would

1149
00:55:28,528 --> 00:55:30,797
call Mary Ann with what he
said were messages from Jan.

1150
00:55:30,830 --> 00:55:32,732
He didn't know Mary
Ann was recording

1151
00:55:32,766 --> 00:55:34,801
the calls, as he
tried to lure her

1152
00:55:34,834 --> 00:55:37,404
into his plot to marry Jan.

1153
00:55:37,437 --> 00:55:39,305
ROBERT BERCHTOLD :
She loves her sisters.

1154
00:55:39,339 --> 00:55:41,875
She loves you, and
she'd like to come home.

1155
00:55:41,908 --> 00:55:46,346
She's not coming home
to be a child anymore.

1156
00:55:46,379 --> 00:55:47,814
MARY ANN BROBERG She wants to be

1157
00:55:47,847 --> 00:55:50,650
a 18 or 20-year-old adult?

1158
00:55:50,684 --> 00:55:52,719
ROBERT BERCHTOLD :
Oh, Christ, she is right now.

1159
00:55:52,752 --> 00:55:54,187
MARY ANN BROBERG Oh, she is not.

1160
00:55:54,220 --> 00:55:55,889
She's 14 years old.

1161
00:55:59,759 --> 00:56:03,496
My mom
finally saw through him.

1162
00:56:03,530 --> 00:56:05,865
She was done being gullible.

1163
00:56:05,899 --> 00:56:08,768
She was done being
passive at all

1164
00:56:08,802 --> 00:56:10,937
and hired a private detective.

1165
00:56:11,037 --> 00:56:15,675
And she even staked
out B herself.

1166
00:56:15,709 --> 00:56:19,512
I was on fire to
get rid of that man.

1167
00:56:19,546 --> 00:56:21,348
I guess, it's the
inner self that

1168
00:56:21,381 --> 00:56:26,052
says, wake up and know
this man is a criminal,

1169
00:56:26,052 --> 00:56:27,287
and he has your daughter.

1170
00:56:31,791 --> 00:56:33,593
There's
no way I can leave.

1171
00:56:33,626 --> 00:56:36,096
And there's no way
I would have tried.

1172
00:56:36,129 --> 00:56:40,567
But he senses how
homesick I really am.

1173
00:56:40,600 --> 00:56:44,504
And he lets me call home.

1174
00:56:48,708 --> 00:56:50,076
JAN BROBERG Hello, Karen?

1175
00:56:50,076 --> 00:56:51,478
KAREN BROBERG Uh-huh.

1176
00:56:51,511 --> 00:56:52,879
JAN BROBERG This is Jan.

1177
00:56:52,912 --> 00:56:53,913
Jan?

1178
00:56:56,282 --> 00:56:57,717
I'm like, where are you?
Where are you?

1179
00:56:57,751 --> 00:56:59,085
We need you.
What are you doing?

1180
00:56:59,085 --> 00:57:00,020
Where are you?

1181
00:57:00,020 --> 00:57:04,024
I can't tell you,
but I love you.

1182
00:57:04,024 --> 00:57:07,060
B is coaching
me in my ear to make sure

1183
00:57:07,093 --> 00:57:09,863
that I'm saying, once my
mom is on the phone, Mom,

1184
00:57:09,896 --> 00:57:12,465
you have to let me marry
B. I'm never going to come

1185
00:57:12,499 --> 00:57:15,502
home until I can marry
B. And she's like, well,

1186
00:57:15,535 --> 00:57:16,302
is he there?

1187
00:57:16,336 --> 00:57:18,471
No, he's not here.

1188
00:57:18,505 --> 00:57:20,607
I mean, he's
standing right there.

1189
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:22,542
BOB BROBERG :
Have you talked to B?

1190
00:57:22,575 --> 00:57:26,079
JAN BROBERG

1191
00:57:26,112 --> 00:57:27,614
BOB BROBERG :
Does he still want you

1192
00:57:27,647 --> 00:57:29,049
to marry him and all that?

1193
00:57:29,082 --> 00:57:32,652
JAN BROBERG

1194
00:57:32,686 --> 00:57:35,121
I really feel like
what I was doing

1195
00:57:35,155 --> 00:57:38,191
was literally trying to
make sense of the world I

1196
00:57:38,224 --> 00:57:40,193
had to live in.

1197
00:57:40,226 --> 00:57:43,229
So because I had to live in
this world of being abused

1198
00:57:43,263 --> 00:57:49,836
and raped by this
grown man continuously,

1199
00:57:49,869 --> 00:57:57,210
I have to let this be
love, or I won't survive.

1200
00:57:59,646 --> 00:58:01,481
ANDREA CANNING :
Investigators finally caught

1201
00:58:01,514 --> 00:58:03,483
Berchtold when they
traced a call he made

1202
00:58:03,516 --> 00:58:05,285
from a Utah phone
booth to Jan's

1203
00:58:05,318 --> 00:58:08,388
boarding school in Pasadena.

1204
00:58:08,421 --> 00:58:14,527
They came together
on November 17, 1976.

1205
00:58:14,561 --> 00:58:17,130
I remember
they called me out of class.

1206
00:58:17,163 --> 00:58:20,100
And there was this
private investigator.

1207
00:58:20,133 --> 00:58:23,737
And he said, is your
name Jan Broberg?

1208
00:58:23,770 --> 00:58:24,704
And I denied it.

1209
00:58:24,738 --> 00:58:25,872
I said no.

1210
00:58:25,905 --> 00:58:28,808
My name is Janice Tobler.

1211
00:58:28,842 --> 00:58:31,211
And then they're showing me
pictures of my own family

1212
00:58:31,244 --> 00:58:32,045
and me in the middle.

1213
00:58:32,078 --> 00:58:32,846
Is this you?

1214
00:58:32,879 --> 00:58:34,314
And I'm like, no.

1215
00:58:34,347 --> 00:58:35,382
No, that isn't me.

1216
00:58:35,415 --> 00:58:37,517
She looks a lot like
me, but it's not me.

1217
00:58:37,550 --> 00:58:42,055
And eventually, you know,
of course, I had to say yes.

1218
00:58:44,758 --> 00:58:47,060
Jan
eventually was brought home.

1219
00:58:47,093 --> 00:58:48,428
What was that reunion
like seeing her--

1220
00:58:48,461 --> 00:58:49,329
Oh.

1221
00:58:49,362 --> 00:58:50,864
--this time around?

1222
00:58:50,897 --> 00:58:54,134
She literally walked
in the back door,

1223
00:58:54,167 --> 00:58:56,403
closed the door
behind her, and walked

1224
00:58:56,436 --> 00:58:59,072
straight down the
stairs into her bedroom

1225
00:58:59,072 --> 00:59:01,474
and shut the door.

1226
00:59:01,508 --> 00:59:04,778
She didn't even say hello.

1227
00:59:04,811 --> 00:59:07,313
It was like my sister
was a zombie, almost.

1228
00:59:07,347 --> 00:59:08,915
But she wasn't there anymore.

1229
00:59:09,015 --> 00:59:10,417
She was a whole shell.

1230
00:59:10,450 --> 00:59:13,520
It was so sad.

1231
00:59:13,553 --> 00:59:14,554
ANDREA CANNING
Jan

1232
00:59:14,587 --> 00:59:17,023
was home, isolated
and defeated,

1233
00:59:17,023 --> 00:59:19,459
but it would soon get worse.

1234
00:59:19,492 --> 00:59:22,495
All the crazy sordid
secrets about Berchtold

1235
00:59:22,529 --> 00:59:25,465
and the aliens and sexual
abuse that she'd been holding

1236
00:59:25,498 --> 00:59:27,701
inside for more
than three years

1237
00:59:27,734 --> 00:59:31,237
were about to
come pouring out.

1238
00:59:31,271 --> 00:59:34,040
So me and
Caroline, her best friend,

1239
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:37,043
decided we were going
to repaint her room

1240
00:59:37,043 --> 00:59:39,045
and change everything
so it didn't

1241
00:59:39,045 --> 00:59:42,082
feel like her old bedroom.

1242
00:59:42,115 --> 00:59:45,318
As we were doing this,
we moved the pillows.

1243
00:59:45,352 --> 00:59:47,787
And I'm like, there's
something crunchy in here.

1244
00:59:47,821 --> 00:59:50,357
And so I unzipped the
pillows, and behind

1245
00:59:50,390 --> 00:59:52,058
the foam were these letters.

1246
00:59:52,058 --> 00:59:53,360
And I started reading them.

1247
00:59:53,393 --> 00:59:58,565
And I'm like, who
is Zeda and Zethura?

1248
00:59:58,598 --> 01:00:01,401
So that was the day
we confronted her.

1249
01:00:01,434 --> 01:00:03,837
And I was like, Jan,
what's going on?

1250
01:00:18,318 --> 01:00:20,053
ANDREA CANNING :
After investigators found

1251
01:00:20,086 --> 01:00:23,189
14-year-old Jan Broberg in
the Pasadena boarding school

1252
01:00:23,223 --> 01:00:25,258
where Robert Berchtold
had hidden her,

1253
01:00:25,291 --> 01:00:29,129
he was arrested
again for kidnapping.

1254
01:00:29,162 --> 01:00:31,865
But once again, he slithered
and slipped his way

1255
01:00:31,898 --> 01:00:33,033
through the justice system.

1256
01:00:36,236 --> 01:00:40,507
He spends no time in jail.

1257
01:00:40,540 --> 01:00:44,811
You know, he has psychiatrists
and people that confirm

1258
01:00:44,844 --> 01:00:47,714
this guy is mentally ill.

1259
01:00:52,619 --> 01:00:56,790
And so he gets off on a
charge of mental defect,

1260
01:00:56,823 --> 01:01:00,627
and he goes to the mental
institution in Boise.

1261
01:01:00,660 --> 01:01:04,097
But he's out in three months.

1262
01:01:04,130 --> 01:01:06,199
ANDREA CANNING:
So what happens?

1263
01:01:06,232 --> 01:01:09,202
Well, what
starts happening, as I go back

1264
01:01:09,235 --> 01:01:11,171
to high school, you go
out, you have your breaks,

1265
01:01:11,204 --> 01:01:13,540
and you're outside.

1266
01:01:13,573 --> 01:01:14,908
And I get calls
over and somebody

1267
01:01:14,941 --> 01:01:16,643
would give me a note.

1268
01:01:16,676 --> 01:01:18,545
It would say, go to
this phone booth.

1269
01:01:22,082 --> 01:01:27,554
At this time, whether
it was the alien voice

1270
01:01:27,587 --> 01:01:31,157
on the other end or
it was Berchtold,

1271
01:01:31,191 --> 01:01:32,859
it was somebody that
was telling me what

1272
01:01:32,892 --> 01:01:33,960
I was supposed to do next.

1273
01:01:33,993 --> 01:01:35,395
You know, sneak
out of the house

1274
01:01:35,428 --> 01:01:36,730
and go at this
time of the night.

1275
01:01:36,763 --> 01:01:39,432
Go over to the mini
dome parking lot.

1276
01:01:39,466 --> 01:01:40,400
I'll meet you there.

1277
01:01:40,433 --> 01:01:42,202
I mean, it's really
detailed stuff.

1278
01:01:42,235 --> 01:01:43,670
So clandestine.

1279
01:01:43,703 --> 01:01:45,171
Oh, it's totally.

1280
01:01:45,205 --> 01:01:46,406
Top secret mission of--

1281
01:01:46,439 --> 01:01:47,207
Yeah.

1282
01:01:47,240 --> 01:01:48,108
--Robert Berchtold.

1283
01:01:48,108 --> 01:01:49,943
Exactly.

1284
01:01:49,976 --> 01:01:51,811
ANDREA CANNING :
Berchtold lived in Salt Lake

1285
01:01:51,845 --> 01:01:54,481
City now, and Jan's parents
were under the impression

1286
01:01:54,514 --> 01:01:56,116
he was out of her life.

1287
01:01:56,149 --> 01:01:57,417
They were wrong.

1288
01:01:57,450 --> 01:01:59,252
From time to time,
Berchtold drove

1289
01:01:59,285 --> 01:02:02,322
his old motorhome 2 and
1/2 hours to Pocatello

1290
01:02:02,355 --> 01:02:04,424
to rape Jan yet again.

1291
01:02:08,061 --> 01:02:10,530
Then,
just around the time

1292
01:02:10,563 --> 01:02:15,602
I was about to turn 16, I
wasn't hearing from him.

1293
01:02:15,635 --> 01:02:19,739
And I was like,
what's going on?

1294
01:02:19,773 --> 01:02:23,376
No more little notes
from Zeda and Zethura,

1295
01:02:23,410 --> 01:02:24,611
nothing from him.

1296
01:02:24,644 --> 01:02:27,213
And I really just
started to freak out.

1297
01:02:30,417 --> 01:02:32,519
You and Jan's best
friend, Caroline,

1298
01:02:32,552 --> 01:02:36,456
found letters in her room
that were pretty shocking.

1299
01:02:36,489 --> 01:02:37,590
Yes.

1300
01:02:37,624 --> 01:02:39,626
They were threatening
letters, and I'm like,

1301
01:02:39,659 --> 01:02:40,994
who are these people?

1302
01:02:41,094 --> 01:02:42,395
Did you say, who's
Zeda and Zethura?

1303
01:02:42,429 --> 01:02:43,196
Yes.

1304
01:02:43,229 --> 01:02:44,531
What did she say?

1305
01:02:44,564 --> 01:02:46,099
She went ballistic.

1306
01:02:46,099 --> 01:02:47,100
You can't know about that.

1307
01:02:47,100 --> 01:02:47,967
You can't know about that.

1308
01:02:48,001 --> 01:02:50,937
What are you talking about?

1309
01:02:50,970 --> 01:02:52,205
And
we're talking,

1310
01:02:52,238 --> 01:02:55,775
and I'm trying not to cry
because I don't want to be

1311
01:02:55,809 --> 01:02:58,545
vaporized, nor do I
want Susan to be taken,

1312
01:02:58,578 --> 01:03:01,314
nor do I want my father to
be dead, or my sister, Karen,

1313
01:03:01,348 --> 01:03:02,148
to be blind.

1314
01:03:04,684 --> 01:03:06,753
And then she got
down on the floor,

1315
01:03:06,786 --> 01:03:08,788
and she started
clawing at the carpet.

1316
01:03:08,822 --> 01:03:10,390
And I'm like, oh, my gosh.

1317
01:03:10,423 --> 01:03:11,524
It's a breakdown.

1318
01:03:11,558 --> 01:03:14,060
Right, and so she
tells us this wild story.

1319
01:03:14,060 --> 01:03:16,262
She tells us all
about the aliens.

1320
01:03:16,296 --> 01:03:19,299
And we go, OK, Jan,
you got to let it out.

1321
01:03:19,332 --> 01:03:23,737
And we got all the details of
them trying to have a baby.

1322
01:03:27,907 --> 01:03:30,076
And nothing happened.

1323
01:03:30,076 --> 01:03:36,416
I'm sitting there, and I'm
10 seconds into a thought.

1324
01:03:36,449 --> 01:03:37,784
Oh, my gosh.

1325
01:03:37,817 --> 01:03:40,520
Are they real?

1326
01:03:40,553 --> 01:03:42,389
Nothing happened.

1327
01:03:42,422 --> 01:03:44,858
Is it possible that
this isn't true?

1328
01:03:54,401 --> 01:03:55,935
ANDREA CANNING :
For the first time,

1329
01:03:55,969 --> 01:03:58,171
Jan was questioning
the alien story

1330
01:03:58,204 --> 01:04:01,608
that had caused her to live
in fear for four years.

1331
01:04:01,641 --> 01:04:04,377
She decided to find out
if it was all a lie.

1332
01:04:04,411 --> 01:04:07,681
The aliens had also warned
her not to talk to boys.

1333
01:04:07,714 --> 01:04:10,450
So she did.

1334
01:04:10,483 --> 01:04:14,254
The big test
came in October.

1335
01:04:14,287 --> 01:04:16,923
So, again, this
is almost exactly

1336
01:04:16,956 --> 01:04:19,292
the date when I was
kidnapped the first time,

1337
01:04:19,325 --> 01:04:22,829
four years to the day is
when the homecoming dance,

1338
01:04:22,862 --> 01:04:24,464
this dance is happening.

1339
01:04:24,497 --> 01:04:27,767
And I decide to say yes
when I'm invited by a boy

1340
01:04:27,801 --> 01:04:29,803
to go to my first dance.

1341
01:04:29,836 --> 01:04:31,771
And I am shaking.

1342
01:04:31,805 --> 01:04:33,473
I am so scared.

1343
01:04:33,506 --> 01:04:37,877
I'm like, what if I go
home, and it all is real,

1344
01:04:37,911 --> 01:04:41,147
and everybody's vaporized
or whatever has happened?

1345
01:04:44,884 --> 01:04:51,391
But when I got home,
get through the door,

1346
01:04:51,424 --> 01:04:52,992
start to walk
down the hallway,

1347
01:04:53,093 --> 01:04:55,095
my dad goes, oh, Janny.

1348
01:04:55,095 --> 01:04:56,529
Oh, did you have a good time?

1349
01:04:56,563 --> 01:04:59,833
I was literally speechless.

1350
01:04:59,866 --> 01:05:00,834
He's not dead?

1351
01:05:08,608 --> 01:05:09,943
From
this moment forward,

1352
01:05:10,043 --> 01:05:11,411
you started to heal?

1353
01:05:11,444 --> 01:05:15,415
Yep, this is the beginning
of the journey to healing.

1354
01:05:22,555 --> 01:05:26,059
It was so scary when it
finally came to that point,

1355
01:05:26,059 --> 01:05:27,494
and I had to go.

1356
01:05:27,527 --> 01:05:31,064
Now what do I do?

1357
01:05:31,064 --> 01:05:32,966
Now who am I?

1358
01:05:33,066 --> 01:05:34,801
I was like, do I
have a purpose?

1359
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:43,209
The real digging in for
me didn't really happen

1360
01:05:43,243 --> 01:05:45,712
until I went away to college.

1361
01:05:45,745 --> 01:05:48,381
So that was kind of
the beginning of my mom

1362
01:05:48,415 --> 01:05:50,083
and I literally talking.

1363
01:05:50,083 --> 01:05:54,287
Your mom slept with Robert
Berchtold, the guy who--

1364
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:55,488
You know, I was angry.

1365
01:05:55,522 --> 01:05:56,823
--ruined your life.

1366
01:05:56,856 --> 01:06:01,194
I remember just calling her
at one point and just, yeah,

1367
01:06:01,227 --> 01:06:04,464
yelling at her,
just laying it out.

1368
01:06:04,497 --> 01:06:07,300
Like, how could you have
not seen through him?

1369
01:06:07,334 --> 01:06:09,369
Why did this
continue to happen?

1370
01:06:09,402 --> 01:06:11,071
How could this have
continued to happen?

1371
01:06:11,104 --> 01:06:14,040
Why would you have
not protected me?

1372
01:06:18,311 --> 01:06:21,614
But to my mom's
credit, she said

1373
01:06:21,648 --> 01:06:23,750
nothing to defend herself.

1374
01:06:23,783 --> 01:06:26,319
She just kept apologizing.

1375
01:06:26,353 --> 01:06:28,054
I'm so sorry.

1376
01:06:28,054 --> 01:06:30,557
I'm so sorry.

1377
01:06:30,590 --> 01:06:32,392
ANDREA CANNING :
And so, Jan set out to make

1378
01:06:32,425 --> 01:06:35,562
a new life for herself.

1379
01:06:35,595 --> 01:06:38,832
I remember
when Austin was born,

1380
01:06:38,865 --> 01:06:41,801
thinking, OK, now
this is my chance.

1381
01:06:41,835 --> 01:06:42,902
You know, my chance.

1382
01:06:42,936 --> 01:06:44,938
He's going to have the
happiest childhood.

1383
01:06:44,971 --> 01:06:46,539
It's going to be perfect.

1384
01:06:46,573 --> 01:06:47,874
ANDREA CANNING
But the pain

1385
01:06:47,907 --> 01:06:50,744
from all those years of
abuse never left her.

1386
01:06:50,777 --> 01:06:53,546
It impacted every
relationship she had.

1387
01:06:53,580 --> 01:06:55,949
And inevitably, that
impacted her son.

1388
01:06:59,386 --> 01:07:04,491
There is so much change that
happened from the time I was

1389
01:07:04,524 --> 01:07:09,829
born until I was 10,
moving across the country,

1390
01:07:09,863 --> 01:07:13,266
different states,
different guys, a lot

1391
01:07:13,299 --> 01:07:15,035
of marriages and divorces.

1392
01:07:18,038 --> 01:07:21,775
Obviously, the first one
was with my actual dad.

1393
01:07:21,808 --> 01:07:25,779
The second marriage,
I think I was seven.

1394
01:07:25,812 --> 01:07:29,382
The next one, I was
like eight or nine.

1395
01:07:29,416 --> 01:07:31,418
The fourth marriage,
my stepdad,

1396
01:07:31,451 --> 01:07:35,555
Larry, and he had
four daughters

1397
01:07:35,588 --> 01:07:38,291
when they got married.

1398
01:07:38,324 --> 01:07:41,961
And, you know, like, that's
all I ever really wanted,

1399
01:07:42,062 --> 01:07:44,931
was to have brothers
and sisters, but--

1400
01:07:44,964 --> 01:07:45,932
Stable family.

1401
01:07:45,965 --> 01:07:47,300
Yeah, yeah.

1402
01:07:47,334 --> 01:07:50,103
It was the, here
is the new family,

1403
01:07:50,136 --> 01:07:51,805
and then it gets
taken away from me.

1404
01:07:56,176 --> 01:07:58,445
It makes me sad.

1405
01:07:58,478 --> 01:08:00,347
Like, I wanted that.

1406
01:08:00,380 --> 01:08:02,182
But I didn't know
how to do it, not

1407
01:08:02,215 --> 01:08:04,117
for myself and not for him.

1408
01:08:08,888 --> 01:08:10,056
ANDREA CANNING
Mary Ann

1409
01:08:10,090 --> 01:08:12,125
also struggled with
the trauma Berchtold

1410
01:08:12,158 --> 01:08:13,660
inflicted on the family.

1411
01:08:13,693 --> 01:08:15,662
She tried to overcome
it by writing

1412
01:08:15,695 --> 01:08:19,332
a book about it, which she
self-published in 2003.

1413
01:08:19,366 --> 01:08:21,401
Her husband wasn't
happy about that.

1414
01:08:21,434 --> 01:08:22,802
He didn't want to hear it.

1415
01:08:22,836 --> 01:08:24,838
He didn't want
to go through it.

1416
01:08:24,871 --> 01:08:26,339
Why are you doing this?

1417
01:08:26,373 --> 01:08:31,044
And I said, I'm doing it
because Jan asked me to.

1418
01:08:31,077 --> 01:08:35,648
And I said, and she
needs to know all of it.

1419
01:08:35,682 --> 01:08:37,250
ANDREA CANNING :
But Mary Ann herself

1420
01:08:37,283 --> 01:08:39,119
was still in the dark
about what Berchtold

1421
01:08:39,152 --> 01:08:41,087
actually did to her daughter.

1422
01:08:41,121 --> 01:08:43,490
Jan had never revealed
that he repeatedly

1423
01:08:43,523 --> 01:08:45,225
raped her as a child.

1424
01:08:45,258 --> 01:08:48,895
29 years later,
she finally did.

1425
01:08:48,928 --> 01:08:50,230
ANDREA CANNING:
How did you receive

1426
01:08:50,263 --> 01:08:54,934
this news when Jan finally
starts to open up to you?

1427
01:08:54,968 --> 01:09:04,744
I felt responsible that
I hadn't gotten this years

1428
01:09:04,778 --> 01:09:10,517
before and that I
didn't understand

1429
01:09:10,550 --> 01:09:12,552
what she'd gone through.

1430
01:09:12,585 --> 01:09:18,024
So it took many years,
and it hurts her, me.

1431
01:09:18,058 --> 01:09:22,529
She had to suffer with
all of that for so long.

1432
01:09:22,562 --> 01:09:24,731
It is so important
that a person

1433
01:09:24,764 --> 01:09:28,234
feels safe, safe enough
to tell their story.

1434
01:09:28,268 --> 01:09:29,402
That's what I'd
like to do today.

1435
01:09:29,436 --> 01:09:30,670
ANDREA CANNING
Now

1436
01:09:30,704 --> 01:09:33,239
that Jan had found her
voice, she wanted to do more.

1437
01:09:33,273 --> 01:09:36,409
She knew that telling her
story would help others.

1438
01:09:36,443 --> 01:09:39,579
In March 2004, Jan
gathered up the courage

1439
01:09:39,612 --> 01:09:41,381
to tell a group of
university students

1440
01:09:41,414 --> 01:09:43,550
about her horrific
experiences.

1441
01:09:43,583 --> 01:09:47,554
She hadn't seen or spoken
to Berchtold in 25 years.

1442
01:09:47,587 --> 01:09:49,723
And this is when we found
out that Berchtold was

1443
01:09:49,756 --> 01:09:52,792
actually living
less than an hour

1444
01:09:52,826 --> 01:09:56,730
away from where I was
giving this conference.

1445
01:09:59,466 --> 01:10:01,835
And he saw my
picture on a poster

1446
01:10:01,868 --> 01:10:04,938
and literally started
calling the university.

1447
01:10:04,971 --> 01:10:06,840
This woman's made
up this story.

1448
01:10:06,873 --> 01:10:08,808
ROBERT BERCHTOLD :
I think it's a pack of lies.

1449
01:10:08,842 --> 01:10:13,113
She brings in to hide
the fact that Jan

1450
01:10:13,146 --> 01:10:14,981
went with me voluntarily.

1451
01:10:15,015 --> 01:10:17,984
They bring in aliens
and mindwashing.

1452
01:10:18,018 --> 01:10:19,285
It wasn't true.

1453
01:10:19,319 --> 01:10:23,323
And he literally showed
up in a van with a gun.

1454
01:10:23,356 --> 01:10:25,792
Drama occurred right
here on the campus of Dixie

1455
01:10:25,825 --> 01:10:27,527
State College
right in the middle

1456
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:28,928
of the Women's Conference.

1457
01:10:28,962 --> 01:10:32,065
This man, Robert Berchtold,
was arrested and charged

1458
01:10:32,098 --> 01:10:34,534
with simple assault,
disorderly conduct,

1459
01:10:34,567 --> 01:10:35,568
and criminal trespassing.

1460
01:10:35,602 --> 01:10:36,870
ANDREA CANNING
Berchtold

1461
01:10:36,903 --> 01:10:39,773
didn't get past security,
but his sudden reappearance

1462
01:10:39,806 --> 01:10:42,742
in their lives rattled
Jan and her family.

1463
01:10:42,776 --> 01:10:46,112
When he made bail, Jan filed
to get a stalking injunction

1464
01:10:46,146 --> 01:10:48,782
against him.

1465
01:10:48,815 --> 01:10:49,916
So does everyone
understand what

1466
01:10:49,949 --> 01:10:51,518
the procedure is going to be?

1467
01:10:51,551 --> 01:10:52,819
ANDREA CANNING
Three weeks

1468
01:10:52,852 --> 01:10:55,822
later, on March 25,
2004, she finally

1469
01:10:55,855 --> 01:10:58,124
faced her abuser in court.

1470
01:10:58,158 --> 01:11:01,061
Now she was able to say
all those things she didn't

1471
01:11:01,094 --> 01:11:03,296
know how to say as a child.

1472
01:11:03,329 --> 01:11:07,434
In 1974, at the age of
12, I weighed 68 pounds.

1473
01:11:07,467 --> 01:11:09,669
I was 4 and 1/2 feet tall.

1474
01:11:09,703 --> 01:11:11,638
I was abducted
by Mr. Berchtold.

1475
01:11:15,141 --> 01:11:18,278
What was it like
for you facing

1476
01:11:18,311 --> 01:11:21,481
Robert Berchtold in court,
and you had to see him?

1477
01:11:21,514 --> 01:11:22,816
I was shaking.

1478
01:11:22,849 --> 01:11:24,451
I felt like I was 12.

1479
01:11:24,484 --> 01:11:26,720
I felt like I wanted to hide.

1480
01:11:26,753 --> 01:11:29,389
I did not act
out of free will.

1481
01:11:29,422 --> 01:11:30,857
He kidnapped me.

1482
01:11:30,890 --> 01:11:33,093
He manipulated and
brainwashed me.

1483
01:11:33,126 --> 01:11:34,961
And he sexually abused me.

1484
01:11:34,994 --> 01:11:38,631
I have a fixation for Jan.

1485
01:11:38,665 --> 01:11:41,201
I didn't know why, but I did.

1486
01:11:41,234 --> 01:11:43,103
And I wanted to be around her.

1487
01:11:43,103 --> 01:11:46,973
I haven't had any contact with
her for 25 years purposely.

1488
01:11:47,007 --> 01:11:48,842
I've had no
contact whatsoever.

1489
01:11:48,875 --> 01:11:51,745
I have with her parents
because the book

1490
01:11:51,778 --> 01:11:54,114
that has been written
is a bunch of lies.

1491
01:11:54,114 --> 01:11:56,983
Our life has been
a living hell ever

1492
01:11:57,017 --> 01:11:58,184
since this book came out.

1493
01:11:58,218 --> 01:11:59,853
Mr. Berchtold, is
there any questions

1494
01:11:59,886 --> 01:12:02,922
you'd like to ask Ms. Felt?

1495
01:12:02,956 --> 01:12:05,058
You know this
is quite a story.

1496
01:12:05,058 --> 01:12:06,893
And you have sold
a lot of books

1497
01:12:06,926 --> 01:12:08,461
because of this story, right?

1498
01:12:08,495 --> 01:12:10,397
He literally said
to the judge,

1499
01:12:10,430 --> 01:12:11,831
you know, I guess
it's her time

1500
01:12:11,865 --> 01:12:13,466
for her 15 minutes of fame.

1501
01:12:13,500 --> 01:12:18,138
And I remember just
turning to him.

1502
01:12:18,171 --> 01:12:21,708
At that moment, mama tiger
took over the little girl.

1503
01:12:21,741 --> 01:12:24,577
And I just pointed my
finger at him, and I said--

1504
01:12:24,611 --> 01:12:27,547
My goal, Mr. Berchtold,
is to educate the public

1505
01:12:27,580 --> 01:12:29,215
about predators like you.

1506
01:12:29,249 --> 01:12:30,850
That is my goal.

1507
01:12:30,884 --> 01:12:33,253
I cannot believe that you
can look me in the eye.

1508
01:12:33,286 --> 01:12:36,756
You have no soul.

1509
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:39,592
Jan, I'm sorry that
you feel that way.

1510
01:12:39,626 --> 01:12:42,362
And I'd like to
publicly apologize

1511
01:12:42,395 --> 01:12:45,632
to you for everything
I have done to you.

1512
01:12:45,665 --> 01:12:48,234
I said, if you're really
sorry for your crimes--

1513
01:12:48,268 --> 01:12:50,470
You should stand
up, tell the truth,

1514
01:12:50,503 --> 01:12:52,539
and serve your time in
jail, Mr. Berchtold.

1515
01:12:52,572 --> 01:12:53,740
ANDREA CANNING
The judge

1516
01:12:53,773 --> 01:12:55,275
ruled that Berchtold
had to stay

1517
01:12:55,308 --> 01:12:58,812
away from Jan and her family
for the rest of his life.

1518
01:12:58,845 --> 01:13:00,513
But Jan wasn't done.

1519
01:13:00,547 --> 01:13:03,049
I am just curious,
in your mind,

1520
01:13:03,083 --> 01:13:05,952
am I the only little
child that you

1521
01:13:06,052 --> 01:13:08,521
ever sexually molested?

1522
01:13:08,555 --> 01:13:09,756
Yes.

1523
01:13:09,789 --> 01:13:10,957
ANDREA CANNING
Finally,

1524
01:13:11,057 --> 01:13:13,226
Jan had trapped Berchtold.

1525
01:13:13,259 --> 01:13:15,595
She had recently
discovered a police report

1526
01:13:15,628 --> 01:13:18,064
with his name on it,
along with the name

1527
01:13:18,064 --> 01:13:20,700
of another little
girl he'd abused.

1528
01:13:20,734 --> 01:13:23,770
So the little girl in
1986 that you spent a year

1529
01:13:23,803 --> 01:13:27,340
in prison for rape of a
child, you're saying you

1530
01:13:27,374 --> 01:13:29,376
did not sexually abuse her?

1531
01:13:29,409 --> 01:13:31,211
She was 17 years old.

1532
01:13:31,244 --> 01:13:32,278
She was 10.

1533
01:13:32,312 --> 01:13:33,613
In the written
police report, it

1534
01:13:33,646 --> 01:13:39,452
says she was 10 when the rape
began, 17 when she reported.

1535
01:13:39,486 --> 01:13:41,087
ANDREA CANNING :
Her name was Heidi.

1536
01:13:41,087 --> 01:13:43,723
She was the reason Berchtold
had disappeared from Jan's

1537
01:13:43,757 --> 01:13:46,459
life before Jan turned 16.

1538
01:13:46,493 --> 01:13:49,262
Heidi has never spoken
publicly about her experience

1539
01:13:49,295 --> 01:13:54,167
before, but when Jan reached
out, she agreed to meet.

1540
01:13:54,200 --> 01:13:58,338
She was the
little girl right after me.

1541
01:13:58,371 --> 01:14:00,440
She was the next one.

1542
01:14:00,473 --> 01:14:02,442
There's nobody else
on the planet that

1543
01:14:02,475 --> 01:14:05,245
could understand,
you know, what I

1544
01:14:05,278 --> 01:14:07,047
went through, except for her.

1545
01:14:07,047 --> 01:14:09,049
I am really
anxious to meet her

1546
01:14:09,049 --> 01:14:12,218
and just look her in the eye
and tell her I understand.

1547
01:14:25,131 --> 01:14:27,334
You file it
away, and you keep

1548
01:14:27,367 --> 01:14:30,070
it down because it's just--
it's not part of everyday.

1549
01:14:30,103 --> 01:14:33,606
And you try to work through
your emotions, but it's--

1550
01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:34,941
you just don't.

1551
01:14:37,877 --> 01:14:39,813
You don't have
shirts printed up.

1552
01:14:39,846 --> 01:14:43,817
You know, you don't
tote that flag.

1553
01:14:43,850 --> 01:14:44,651
You keep it to yourself.

1554
01:14:49,589 --> 01:14:50,924
How
did this all start?

1555
01:14:50,957 --> 01:14:54,160
He was selling a travel
agency, a franchise.

1556
01:14:54,194 --> 01:14:57,497
And Doris, my adopted
mother, reached out to him.

1557
01:14:57,530 --> 01:14:58,832
She was interested.

1558
01:14:58,865 --> 01:15:03,336
Did she have some type of an
instant connection with him?

1559
01:15:03,370 --> 01:15:05,872
Because he certainly ended
up being a part of your lives

1560
01:15:05,905 --> 01:15:06,673
for a long time.

1561
01:15:06,706 --> 01:15:08,041
Oh, yeah, yeah.

1562
01:15:08,074 --> 01:15:09,776
He's good-looking.

1563
01:15:09,809 --> 01:15:10,944
He's personable.

1564
01:15:11,044 --> 01:15:14,047
He smiles and compliments
and just wooed her.

1565
01:15:17,917 --> 01:15:21,187
She let him take me
to meet his kids,

1566
01:15:21,221 --> 01:15:22,722
but his kids weren't there.

1567
01:15:22,756 --> 01:15:24,491
And we stayed the night.

1568
01:15:24,524 --> 01:15:26,826
He wanted me to
take a vitamin.

1569
01:15:26,860 --> 01:15:30,397
And I didn't want to take a
vitamin, and he kept pushing.

1570
01:15:30,430 --> 01:15:31,598
You need to take it.

1571
01:15:31,631 --> 01:15:32,699
How old are you?

1572
01:15:32,732 --> 01:15:34,768
It was a few months
after I had turned 10.

1573
01:15:34,801 --> 01:15:37,337
And so once I explained to him
that I just could not swallow

1574
01:15:37,370 --> 01:15:39,305
a pill, he crushed it
up and put sugar in it,

1575
01:15:39,339 --> 01:15:44,878
so I took it and then
woke up in the morning.

1576
01:15:44,911 --> 01:15:47,814
A few weeks later, we
went to Ogden again.

1577
01:15:47,847 --> 01:15:49,683
And that's when I was--

1578
01:15:49,716 --> 01:15:51,518
he didn't drug me that time.

1579
01:15:51,551 --> 01:15:53,086
What did he say to you?

1580
01:15:53,086 --> 01:15:56,756
That this is what two
people who love each other do.

1581
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:58,091
Did you tell your mom?

1582
01:15:58,091 --> 01:15:59,659
Well, no, because
he said don't tell.

1583
01:15:59,693 --> 01:16:00,727
This is our secret.

1584
01:16:00,760 --> 01:16:01,761
This is just for us.

1585
01:16:06,299 --> 01:16:08,368
Do you get to a point where
you feel like you could tell

1586
01:16:08,401 --> 01:16:10,537
your mom what was happening?

1587
01:16:10,570 --> 01:16:12,906
I finally did.

1588
01:16:12,939 --> 01:16:14,708
I think I was
about 17 and 1/2.

1589
01:16:14,741 --> 01:16:16,943
So this abuse
had gone on for seven years?

1590
01:16:17,043 --> 01:16:18,878
Mm-hmm.

1591
01:16:18,912 --> 01:16:19,879
That's a long time.

1592
01:16:19,913 --> 01:16:21,348
That's a long time.

1593
01:16:21,381 --> 01:16:22,549
What happens inside you?

1594
01:16:22,582 --> 01:16:25,051
How do you deal with that?

1595
01:16:25,085 --> 01:16:26,486
We have a joke in
the family, you know,

1596
01:16:26,519 --> 01:16:27,887
that you're crazy
as hanging out.

1597
01:16:27,921 --> 01:16:30,857
And so, you know, you let
it run around the room

1598
01:16:30,890 --> 01:16:31,925
and scream and
yell a little bit,

1599
01:16:31,958 --> 01:16:33,326
and then you chuck it
back in your pocket

1600
01:16:33,360 --> 01:16:35,261
because, you know,
you've got dinner to make

1601
01:16:35,295 --> 01:16:36,830
and laundry to do.

1602
01:16:36,863 --> 01:16:38,565
So you do cry.

1603
01:16:38,598 --> 01:16:40,800
You do let it
out occasionally.

1604
01:16:40,834 --> 01:16:45,405
Mm-hmm, yeah, because
you just feel like,

1605
01:16:45,438 --> 01:16:55,915
I guess, you weren't enough to
be cared about or loved or--

1606
01:16:58,351 --> 01:16:59,152
yeah.

1607
01:17:04,524 --> 01:17:06,059
So, Mom, are you ready?

1608
01:17:06,092 --> 01:17:07,427
No, I am not ready.

1609
01:17:07,460 --> 01:17:09,162
OK.

1610
01:17:09,195 --> 01:17:11,097
Anxiety's a little high.

1611
01:17:11,131 --> 01:17:15,502
I haven't-- I've been
just getting short

1612
01:17:15,535 --> 01:17:17,137
details about what happened.

1613
01:17:17,170 --> 01:17:20,640
I've never really had,
like, a long discussion

1614
01:17:20,674 --> 01:17:23,309
about any of this.

1615
01:17:23,343 --> 01:17:26,046
I think you got this, mama.

1616
01:17:26,046 --> 01:17:27,747
Part of me just wants
to turn around and run.

1617
01:17:38,324 --> 01:17:41,061
Oh, wow.

1618
01:17:41,061 --> 01:17:41,828
Hey.

1619
01:17:44,097 --> 01:17:44,898
Hi.

1620
01:17:59,846 --> 01:18:00,714
How are you?

1621
01:18:00,747 --> 01:18:01,614
Wow.

1622
01:18:01,648 --> 01:18:02,515
Do you wanna sit?

1623
01:18:02,549 --> 01:18:05,085
Yeah, right there.

1624
01:18:05,118 --> 01:18:06,519
How am I?

1625
01:18:06,553 --> 01:18:07,454
How are you?

1626
01:18:10,523 --> 01:18:11,891
This is a big deal, isn't it?

1627
01:18:11,925 --> 01:18:13,593
It is a big deal.

1628
01:18:13,626 --> 01:18:14,427
Wow.

1629
01:18:17,564 --> 01:18:19,799
You know, it's just
been such a privilege,

1630
01:18:19,833 --> 01:18:24,170
I think, for me to be
able to share my story.

1631
01:18:24,204 --> 01:18:26,272
And I want this to be
so perfect for you.

1632
01:18:26,306 --> 01:18:30,176
I want you to feel completely
loved and completely safe.

1633
01:18:30,210 --> 01:18:32,245
And he'd call me by my
name, but he introduced me

1634
01:18:32,278 --> 01:18:33,279
as his daughter.

1635
01:18:33,313 --> 01:18:35,048
I mean, everybody
knew him as Dad.

1636
01:18:35,048 --> 01:18:37,450
I mean, there was,
I think, probably

1637
01:18:37,484 --> 01:18:41,688
a couple of years in school
where I was Heidi Berchtold.

1638
01:18:41,721 --> 01:18:44,824
And your mom
was fine with it.

1639
01:18:44,858 --> 01:18:46,726
I'm guessing she's
thinking that, you know,

1640
01:18:46,760 --> 01:18:47,861
it's going to be
a happy family.

1641
01:18:47,894 --> 01:18:49,763
Oh, we're going to
be a happy family.

1642
01:18:49,796 --> 01:18:51,164
And no idea.

1643
01:18:51,197 --> 01:18:55,535
Mm, well, I think she
had to have had an idea.

1644
01:18:55,568 --> 01:18:58,571
I remember arguments
where she had asked him.

1645
01:18:58,605 --> 01:19:00,173
And of course, you
know, he would say no,

1646
01:19:00,206 --> 01:19:02,542
and you're being crazy, but.

1647
01:19:02,575 --> 01:19:03,376
Wow.

1648
01:19:08,815 --> 01:19:12,552
So did he layer the abuse
with, like, fun things

1649
01:19:12,585 --> 01:19:13,820
like he did with me?

1650
01:19:13,853 --> 01:19:15,121
Yeah.

1651
01:19:15,155 --> 01:19:20,827
I guess, I had to make him
two different people for me.

1652
01:19:20,860 --> 01:19:23,730
Most of the time, he was dad.

1653
01:19:23,763 --> 01:19:26,199
And dad was great.

1654
01:19:26,232 --> 01:19:30,937
Dad loved me and, you
know, complimented me

1655
01:19:31,037 --> 01:19:33,039
and did things with me.

1656
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:38,812
You know, you crave
it, as sick as it is.

1657
01:19:38,845 --> 01:19:39,713
I understand.

1658
01:19:39,746 --> 01:19:42,315
But that's dad.

1659
01:19:42,349 --> 01:19:45,051
Well, that's--
it's like a chore.

1660
01:19:45,085 --> 01:19:47,053
You got to take out the trash.

1661
01:19:47,053 --> 01:19:50,056
You got to wash the dishes.

1662
01:19:50,056 --> 01:19:51,825
Let's go have sex with Bob.

1663
01:19:51,858 --> 01:19:53,660
Yeah, it's like
you're paying for it.

1664
01:19:53,693 --> 01:19:55,161
You're paying for the--

1665
01:19:55,195 --> 01:19:56,162
Attention.

1666
01:19:56,196 --> 01:19:57,097
Oh.

1667
01:19:57,130 --> 01:19:57,897
Mm-hmm.

1668
01:20:02,402 --> 01:20:04,537
He talked about you quite
a bit in the beginning.

1669
01:20:04,571 --> 01:20:08,108
There was one time we were
at his mother's house.

1670
01:20:08,141 --> 01:20:09,275
Had you ever been
in that house?

1671
01:20:09,309 --> 01:20:10,510
No.

1672
01:20:10,543 --> 01:20:13,346
OK, one of the bedrooms
was kind of like a library.

1673
01:20:13,380 --> 01:20:16,516
And the whole wall
was full of books.

1674
01:20:16,549 --> 01:20:18,585
And he pulled
this one book out.

1675
01:20:18,618 --> 01:20:22,856
And there was a
blue ribbon in it.

1676
01:20:22,889 --> 01:20:25,692
And he said that it was yours.

1677
01:20:25,725 --> 01:20:28,595
That he had taken it
from your hair. --

1678
01:20:28,628 --> 01:20:33,500
And inside this book was there
were two pictures of you,

1679
01:20:33,533 --> 01:20:35,702
Polaroid pictures.

1680
01:20:35,735 --> 01:20:36,636
Oh, my gosh.

1681
01:20:39,773 --> 01:20:42,375
No explanation
what-- who I was

1682
01:20:42,409 --> 01:20:45,378
or why he would
show that to you?

1683
01:20:45,412 --> 01:20:48,882
Well, you didn't have
any clothes on, so.

1684
01:20:48,915 --> 01:20:50,016
I didn't?

1685
01:20:50,050 --> 01:20:51,918
Mm-mm.

1686
01:20:51,951 --> 01:20:53,053
Was I asleep?

1687
01:20:53,086 --> 01:20:53,853
No.

1688
01:20:53,887 --> 01:20:55,855
I don't even remember that.

1689
01:20:55,889 --> 01:20:58,458
Wow, that is just so--

1690
01:20:58,491 --> 01:20:59,426
Mm-hmm.

1691
01:20:59,459 --> 01:21:01,795
Ugh, so awful.

1692
01:21:01,828 --> 01:21:03,863
I would imagine that would be
scary enough, though, for you

1693
01:21:03,897 --> 01:21:05,498
not to ever tell anybody.

1694
01:21:05,532 --> 01:21:07,167
Well, yeah, because then
you know that there was

1695
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:08,768
girls that were before you.

1696
01:21:08,802 --> 01:21:14,874
And as far as you knew,
nothing ever happened.

1697
01:21:14,908 --> 01:21:18,878
So there was no
consequences to his actions.

1698
01:21:18,912 --> 01:21:20,246
Right.

1699
01:21:20,280 --> 01:21:22,382
So why say anything?

1700
01:21:22,415 --> 01:21:27,220
I mean, you not had anybody
in your life to give you

1701
01:21:27,253 --> 01:21:30,523
emotional support, a lot of
love, a lot of understanding,

1702
01:21:30,557 --> 01:21:32,959
a lot of, like,
the things that I

1703
01:21:32,992 --> 01:21:37,764
think every survivor has to
have for them to feel like--

1704
01:21:37,797 --> 01:21:40,166
I have the best kids.

1705
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:41,201
Aw.

1706
01:21:41,234 --> 01:21:45,839
And they are just my light.

1707
01:21:45,872 --> 01:21:47,307
Oh, that makes me so happy.

1708
01:21:51,511 --> 01:21:57,150
They're all so wonderful
and so strong and so loving

1709
01:21:57,183 --> 01:22:00,587
to me and themselves
and each other.

1710
01:22:04,057 --> 01:22:06,426
Well, that's your
support system right there.

1711
01:22:06,459 --> 01:22:07,694
Yep, my babies.

1712
01:22:07,727 --> 01:22:08,695
Yeah.

1713
01:22:08,728 --> 01:22:10,063
That's been the same for me.

1714
01:22:10,063 --> 01:22:14,401
It's been my son, who's
been such a huge kind

1715
01:22:14,434 --> 01:22:16,169
of cheerleader and supporter.

1716
01:22:16,202 --> 01:22:20,974
And he's gone through a lot
because of what happened.

1717
01:22:21,074 --> 01:22:22,909
The thing that I
remember most was

1718
01:22:22,942 --> 01:22:25,211
when I was going
through my third,

1719
01:22:25,245 --> 01:22:26,946
you know, breakdown
of marriage.

1720
01:22:26,980 --> 01:22:29,315
And I have no job.

1721
01:22:29,349 --> 01:22:30,517
I have no money, nothing.

1722
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:31,584
I'm bawling.

1723
01:22:31,618 --> 01:22:35,755
I'm just, like, crying
to God or whatever

1724
01:22:35,789 --> 01:22:37,490
the greater being or power--

1725
01:22:37,524 --> 01:22:38,291
Somebody.

1726
01:22:38,324 --> 01:22:39,092
To somebody.

1727
01:22:39,125 --> 01:22:40,226
Somebody, listen.

1728
01:22:40,260 --> 01:22:42,595
Yeah, not in the
grand scheme of things,

1729
01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:43,897
we don't matter.

1730
01:22:47,701 --> 01:22:50,704
That is wrong.

1731
01:22:50,737 --> 01:22:51,838
You matter.

1732
01:22:51,871 --> 01:22:53,440
How are we going to
wake up the world

1733
01:22:53,473 --> 01:22:54,774
to the actual problem?

1734
01:22:54,808 --> 01:22:56,643
It is not a scary stranger.

1735
01:22:56,676 --> 01:22:57,877
Yeah, it's Uncle Bob.

1736
01:22:57,911 --> 01:22:59,846
How do we make it stop?

1737
01:22:59,879 --> 01:23:01,614
We have to talk about it.

1738
01:23:05,518 --> 01:23:10,490
It's just heartbreaking
that nobody knew what to do.

1739
01:23:10,523 --> 01:23:13,393
We now, in hindsight,
know that there

1740
01:23:13,426 --> 01:23:17,097
were several other
young girls before me.

1741
01:23:17,130 --> 01:23:22,068
And there have been several
other girls after me.

1742
01:23:22,068 --> 01:23:25,972
And who knows how many
that we don't know about?

1743
01:23:26,072 --> 01:23:29,075
And that's the part that
is just so sickening.

1744
01:23:29,075 --> 01:23:30,844
ANDREA CANNING :
To Jan's family and others,

1745
01:23:30,877 --> 01:23:33,680
it had been an enduring
outrage that Robert Berchtold

1746
01:23:33,713 --> 01:23:35,582
had spent a total of
less than four months

1747
01:23:35,615 --> 01:23:38,418
behind bars for
what he did to Jan.

1748
01:23:38,451 --> 01:23:41,388
But justice would finally
come for him, though not

1749
01:23:41,421 --> 01:23:44,691
in the way anyone expected.

1750
01:23:44,724 --> 01:23:46,459
The district
attorney called me,

1751
01:23:46,493 --> 01:23:48,395
and he said before
this hits the news,

1752
01:23:48,428 --> 01:23:49,629
I want you to know
what happened.

1753
01:23:58,138 --> 01:23:59,806
ANDREA CANNING :
In November 2005,

1754
01:23:59,839 --> 01:24:02,108
Robert Berchtold went
on trial for assault

1755
01:24:02,142 --> 01:24:05,612
and criminal trespassing
the day of Jan's speech.

1756
01:24:05,645 --> 01:24:08,915
So now this man, because
of this one incident,

1757
01:24:08,948 --> 01:24:11,351
nothing to do with
raping little girls,

1758
01:24:11,384 --> 01:24:13,753
but because of
this incident, he

1759
01:24:13,787 --> 01:24:17,057
literally was charged
with two felonies

1760
01:24:17,057 --> 01:24:18,324
and two misdemeanors.

1761
01:24:18,358 --> 01:24:20,660
The clerk will now
read the jury's verdict.

1762
01:24:20,694 --> 01:24:22,796
We, the jury duly
impaneled in this case,

1763
01:24:22,829 --> 01:24:24,230
find the defendant,
Robert Berchtold,

1764
01:24:24,264 --> 01:24:26,199
guilty of the offense
of aggravated assault

1765
01:24:26,232 --> 01:24:28,835
by proof beyond a
reasonable doubt.

1766
01:24:28,868 --> 01:24:30,136
ANDREA CANNING
Finally,

1767
01:24:30,170 --> 01:24:33,807
at the age of 69 and more
than 30 years after he first

1768
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,076
abducted and
sexually abused Jan,

1769
01:24:36,109 --> 01:24:39,713
Berchtold would face some
serious time behind bars.

1770
01:24:39,746 --> 01:24:42,515
Justice, in a way,
had been served.

1771
01:24:42,549 --> 01:24:44,751
But before he was
sentenced, Berchtold

1772
01:24:44,784 --> 01:24:46,953
managed to escape even that.

1773
01:24:50,557 --> 01:24:54,260
After he was
found guilty on all charges,

1774
01:24:54,294 --> 01:24:59,599
he left the courtroom,
drives out into a campground,

1775
01:24:59,632 --> 01:25:08,074
and that's where he took the
bottle of pills and died.

1776
01:25:15,849 --> 01:25:20,854
That day, when he died, there
was overwhelming emotion

1777
01:25:20,887 --> 01:25:24,624
that went through my
body, both in tears

1778
01:25:24,657 --> 01:25:30,263
and, like, relief and sort
of this anger and rage.

1779
01:25:30,296 --> 01:25:32,465
Like, he never had
to pay the price.

1780
01:25:32,499 --> 01:25:36,703
It was almost like a release
of any love I had ever felt

1781
01:25:36,736 --> 01:25:41,741
for him and the anger I had
ever felt because of him, any

1782
01:25:41,775 --> 01:25:45,345
harm he had done to my
personal psychophysiological

1783
01:25:45,378 --> 01:25:46,179
self.

1784
01:25:49,582 --> 01:25:51,084
ANDREA CANNING :
Robert Berchtold

1785
01:25:51,084 --> 01:25:53,987
was gone, unable to
hurt anyone anymore.

1786
01:25:54,087 --> 01:25:57,190
But even today, years
after his death,

1787
01:25:57,223 --> 01:26:03,196
the pain, trauma, and guilt
he left in his wake linger.

1788
01:26:03,229 --> 01:26:05,031
Mary Ann,
have you forgiven yourself?

1789
01:26:05,031 --> 01:26:07,033
Because, obviously,
you carried

1790
01:26:07,033 --> 01:26:11,104
or are carrying some guilt.

1791
01:26:11,137 --> 01:26:17,177
Oh, yeah, I'll probably
have the guilt to my death.

1792
01:26:17,210 --> 01:26:18,945
It's like my husband said.

1793
01:26:19,045 --> 01:26:20,547
And I feel the same way.

1794
01:26:20,580 --> 01:26:24,751
He said, I feel so
responsible for letting

1795
01:26:24,784 --> 01:26:29,823
that man ever come in to
our house or into our lives.

1796
01:26:29,856 --> 01:26:30,724
And--

1797
01:26:30,757 --> 01:26:32,058
Did he carry
that to his death?

1798
01:26:32,092 --> 01:26:33,827
Oh, my husband, he did.

1799
01:26:33,860 --> 01:26:37,630
So maybe you should not
carry this to your death.

1800
01:26:37,664 --> 01:26:39,232
Maybe you should give
yourself a break.

1801
01:26:39,265 --> 01:26:40,066
Really?

1802
01:26:40,066 --> 01:26:40,934
How do you do it?

1803
01:26:45,171 --> 01:26:49,309
We all
know who is to blame,

1804
01:26:49,342 --> 01:26:52,078
and it isn't you, Mom.

1805
01:26:52,112 --> 01:26:55,448
We literally not only
have forgiven you,

1806
01:26:55,482 --> 01:26:59,419
but we want you
to forgive you.

1807
01:26:59,452 --> 01:27:01,921
OK, I'll work on it.

1808
01:27:15,035 --> 01:27:18,038
Is it
over, or is it never over?

1809
01:27:18,071 --> 01:27:22,042
I don't think it's ever
over, but am I doing great?

1810
01:27:22,042 --> 01:27:24,144
Hell, yeah, I really am.

1811
01:27:28,214 --> 01:27:29,783
I feel like I've
learned a lot.

1812
01:27:29,816 --> 01:27:31,051
I don't think it's over.

1813
01:27:35,388 --> 01:27:38,391
You know, I'm a
work in progress.

1814
01:27:38,425 --> 01:27:40,427
So it's kind of
a lifelong journey.

1815
01:27:40,460 --> 01:27:41,628
It is.

1816
01:27:41,661 --> 01:27:47,267
I would honestly say that
everybody has a story.

1817
01:27:47,300 --> 01:27:51,971
And I feel like the greatest
part of my healing journey

1818
01:27:52,072 --> 01:27:53,540
is starting my foundation.

1819
01:27:56,209 --> 01:28:02,215
That kind of thing is where
the service to somebody else

1820
01:28:02,248 --> 01:28:08,488
to tell your story, and then,
can I give you a safe space,

1821
01:28:08,521 --> 01:28:09,489
that's what it's about.

1822
01:28:14,894 --> 01:28:18,131
I think that
to have shared in something

1823
01:28:18,164 --> 01:28:20,533
in some kind of
trauma that way,

1824
01:28:20,567 --> 01:28:23,103
it either breaks
apart a family,

1825
01:28:23,136 --> 01:28:24,671
or it brings them closer.

1826
01:28:24,704 --> 01:28:28,541
And luckily, we seem
to band together

1827
01:28:28,575 --> 01:28:33,113
and have more of that
kind of a relationship.

1828
01:28:33,146 --> 01:28:35,115
Berchtold took
a lot from you,

1829
01:28:35,148 --> 01:28:37,250
but he didn't
take your resolve.

1830
01:28:37,283 --> 01:28:38,918
He didn't take your
love from each other.

1831
01:28:38,952 --> 01:28:40,720
He didn't take
your family away.

1832
01:28:40,754 --> 01:28:41,955
I mean, you're not
the losers here.

1833
01:28:42,055 --> 01:28:42,756
You won.

1834
01:28:42,789 --> 01:28:44,324
He lost.

1835
01:28:44,357 --> 01:28:49,162
How proud are all of you
of Jan for how far she's

1836
01:28:49,195 --> 01:28:54,434
come, for what she conquered,
for where she's at right now?

1837
01:28:54,467 --> 01:28:57,237
I think I'm proud.

1838
01:28:57,270 --> 01:28:58,071
Thanks.

1839
01:28:58,104 --> 01:29:01,307
I'm proud of
all of you guys.

1840
01:29:01,341 --> 01:29:05,145
She is an amazing woman.

1841
01:29:05,178 --> 01:29:06,746
I think when I
look at these hands

1842
01:29:06,780 --> 01:29:10,316
holding each other, it's
a collective pride, right?

1843
01:29:10,350 --> 01:29:13,853
It's not-- it's Jan at the
center, but it's all of you,

1844
01:29:13,887 --> 01:29:15,522
too.

1845
01:29:15,555 --> 01:29:17,023
I'm proud of
all of my family.

1846
01:29:17,057 --> 01:29:18,324
It's not easy.

1847
01:29:18,358 --> 01:29:20,860
And it's really wonderful
that they feel proud of me.

1848
01:29:20,894 --> 01:29:21,895
That makes me feel good.

1849
01:29:21,928 --> 01:29:25,765
Nobody's ever asked
them in front of me.

1850
01:29:25,799 --> 01:29:29,836
It's really wonderful for
me to feel like, oh, good,

1851
01:29:29,869 --> 01:29:31,638
they're proud of me.

1852
01:29:31,671 --> 01:29:35,775
I wanted that .