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I said to him, "What kind of trouble
have you got me into?"
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And he said,
"Sabri, it's all a game of power.
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Do you understand this?"
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Somehow, people started
showing solidarity with us.
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{\an8}Because over time, a movement rose
around this story of Emanuela.
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And we made the Vatican understand
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that they weren't as untouchable anymore.
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About two weeks
after the election of the new Pope
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he was going to hold a mass
in the Parish of Sant'Anna.
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Emanuela's parish in the Vatican.
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So I found a way to go to this mass
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with my mother and my sister Federica.
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The Orlandi family
has lived in the Vatican for 100 years
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and served seven Popes.
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So we hoped that he could give us
the opportunity to speak about Emanuela.
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But he shut us down immediately
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because as my mother got
in front of him, he said only four words.
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It froze my blood to hear
the Pope say that Emanuela was dead.
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I remember saying to him
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"My hope is that she may still be alive"
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and he took my hand and repeated
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"Emanuela
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is in heaven."
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That's it.
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-What did the Pope say?
-She is in Heaven.
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I said, "But there is no proof
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so for me, it's a duty
to look for her alive."
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And he repeated, "Emanuela is in Heaven."
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We don't know if Emanuela
is dead or alive, there is no proof.
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If a Head of State says now,
"Emanuela is dead"
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then he knows something we don't.
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I'm Maria Orlandi
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and I'm the mom of Emanuela Orlandi.
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I've been waiting for her for years.
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I can't wait to hug her again,
now or when I die.
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We will meet again.
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My thoughts are always with Emanuela.
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And she gives me strength and courage.
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Unfortunately, you don't know anything.
So you keep praying to the Lord.
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Without prayer, there is nothing in life.
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Leaks of secret news
and top-secret documents
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end up on the newspapers' front pages.
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First, a letter from Monsignor Viganò
criticizing budgetary...
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My name is Emiliano Fittipaldi,
I'm an investigative journalist
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and I've been working
on the Vatican for many years.
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In 2016 I had written a book
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regarding a number
of financial scandals in the Vatican
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which led to the Vatileaks scandal.
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It was stressful
because within the Vatican
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the investigators tried to fabricate lies
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about me and my work.
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I discovered during the trial
that they don't want
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the world to know almost
anything about what they get up to.
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During the trial,
something happened that really shocked me
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because I didn't know about it.
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A witness summoned to testify
while being questioned
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by judicial officials
of the Vatican. A priest.
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A priest who was a secretary
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in a very important...
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And who told an incredible story
that nobody knew in detail.
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Two years earlier, somebody
had got into this Vatican ministry.
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They had gone in with keys,
so without leaving any trace.
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But then they'd used a blow-torch
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to break into one
of the 14 or 15 large safes
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which were on the second or third floor.
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And they had stolen some documents
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classified documents which concerned
"matters from the past," so he said.
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Political scandals, financial investments,
and ties with Freemasonry.
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Nobody knew the story
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or the details of this incredible theft.
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Because this
Vatican-owned building is in Italy
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but under the Vatican jurisdiction.
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So the Vatican Police worked on it alone.
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To this day, we still don't know
what the Vatican Police concluded.
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We know for sure, though,
that some documents came back.
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{\an8}And when they opened that parcel,
they found many of the documents inside.
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Including a secret dossier...
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about Emanuela Orlandi.
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The Vatican had always denied
the existence of internal documents
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of internal investigations
within the Holy See
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in the archive
of the Secretariat of State
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or any other archive.
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When I realized
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that there was a chance
that documents existed
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about the biggest mystery of the Vatican
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and of Italy, in the last 35 years
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I hammered my contacts for months to find
these documents about Emanuela Orlandi.
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Priests, cardinals, officials.
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But there was one in particular that
I was quite sure knew that story
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in full or at least in part.
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So I started to call them.
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The first time they told me that
basically they knew nothing about it.
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The second time they told me
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"Look, I will tell you the truth.
I have only read this document.
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I read it, but I cannot give you anything
because I do not have it to hand."
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The third time
it was the source who called me.
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And they told me, "Emiliano, let's meet
in a bar in Rome," which I knew.
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I went by motorbike.
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I arrived five minutes
before the appointment.
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I was nervous.
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He arrived.
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Sat down, we ordered
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and he told me,
"Emiliano, I must hand you a gift."
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This is what he said.
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So he opened a backpack
he'd brought with him
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and inside the backpack,
there was this very folder.
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Five pages, probably photocopies
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dated 28 March 1998
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that looked like a cover letter
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to a much thicker dossier
of 197 pages, it read.
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The letter regarding
Emanuela Orlandi was written
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by Cardinal Lorenzo Antonetti who
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at the time, was the head of APSA
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which is the institution that manages
all of the Vatican's considerable assets.
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{\an8}On this first page,
the author of the document, Antonetti
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states that he will make
a list of expenditures...
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"Expenses to support
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the departure from home
of citizen Emanuela Orlandi."
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How many years had we spent together
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because we lived all those years
in the Vatican, looking for Emanuela?
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How many leads were followed?
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And if those documents were indeed true
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then the Vatican had always known
what had happened to Emanuela.
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The document...
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reveals sensational
and surprising information.
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Like the expenses the Vatican sustained
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for tuition fees, food and accommodation
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medical bills, and travel expenses.
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The other incredible thing is that
these payments from the Vatican
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for Emanuela Orlandi
don't just last for a year
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but they carry on from 1983 until 1997.
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Which would mean...
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...away from her family and away from Italy...
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for 14 years.
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There is one entry
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on page 2 of this document
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which for me is one of the most important
entries in this document.
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That is tuition fees plus room and board
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at 176 Chapman Road in London.
Eight million lire.
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It wasn't easy to work out
what was at 176 Chapman Road.
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I immediately went on Google Maps,
and I typed in "Chapman Road"
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and I found out that there were
three Chapman Roads in London
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but none of them
went up to the number 176.
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So, it was a mystery for several days.
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But then, having persisted for hours
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I found out that it was probably a typo.
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{\an8}The street wasn't Chapman Road
but Clapham Road.
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At 176 Clapham Road, as I discovered
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actually, there is
a youth hostel for girls.
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Only for girls
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run by the Scalabrinani Fathers.
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A Catholic religious congregation...
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which has a very strong connection
with the Vatican.
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We went there to seek information
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to understand if they had
information about Emanuela Orlandi.
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But it's clear that
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if Emanuela had been there
she would have used another name
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or she probably
wouldn't have been registered.
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And of course, we didn't find anything.
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In those five pages
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it was said that Emanuela
lived for 15 years in London.
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It is painful to think
she might have suffered. It is painful...
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to think of anything.
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The truth is
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we do not know anything about her life.
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If what was written there was true
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when Emanuela
was returned by Minardi to a priest...
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Emanuela had been smuggled
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to another country, to England.
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Probably brought
into a Catholic environment
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so she would be closer to God
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and to some extent
that cleared their conscience.
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It was shocking.
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On the fifth page of this document
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there's a final expense entry.
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Twenty-one million lire.
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"General activities and transfer
to the Vatican City State
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with relative handling
of the final procedures."
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When I read it, I immediately thought
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that Emanuela was dead,
that she had died in London
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and that then someone had brought her body
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back to her home, meaning to the Vatican
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where, according to this document,
she had been buried.
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Buried and hidden
a few meters from her home
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and from her family who has been
looking and waiting for her for 37 years.
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If it's true
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it would be even more monstrous.
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Emanuela returns to the Vatican to be
buried and you don't let her mother know?
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This is so awful
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that it leads me
to think it can't be true.
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That it's not possible
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because something like this
is too awful to be true.
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But if it is
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it would be the biggest scandal
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in the contemporary history of the Church.
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Whenever we asked something
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they were defensive, "We had nothing
to do with it, we never did anything."
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And if this five-page story is true
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that, in my opinion, is wickedness.
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It's just wickedness
and indifference to the pain of others.
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I needed a new lawyer
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who could offer
an insider's knowledge of the Vatican
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and who knew
how to move within the Vatican.
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I chose the lawyer Laura Sgrò.
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Pietro had been
following me during Vatileaks.
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A trial that had
huge media coverage worldwide.
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It was about the uncovering
of confidential documents of the Pope.
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Pietro came to see me,
it felt very strange.
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I had been following
Emanuela's story since the beginning.
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Like any eight-year-old girl.
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When I was eight, he was a 20-year-old boy
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like my elder brothers,
and now he was an adult man
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who'd spent his entire life
looking for his sister.
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I already had a whole lot of enemies
from Vatileaks. So many of them.
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Trying to ask for answers from the Vatican
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was a huge challenge.
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It's a system that relies entirely
on the absolute monarch, that is the Pope.
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So first, I studied
this immense paper trail.
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It took me six months
to read all the documents.
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The thing that really hit me in a bad way...
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was the absolute lack
of collaboration from the Vatican.
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In some way,
the Vatican washed their hands of it.
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In my opinion
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they were happy to take
no responsibility for Emanuela's case.
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They hid behind their laws,
their guarantees
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and they never interrogated anybody.
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Then, in 2018, like every morning
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as I was coming into the office,
I passed by the mailbox.
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And I found, among many other letters
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a white envelope.
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I opened the envelopes.
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And to my great surprise,
in a white envelope
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without a letterhead or an addressee
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I found this letter.
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There was only one sentence written on it.
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"If you want to find Emanuela,
search where the angel is looking."
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And together with this page
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there was a picture of a grave
with a statue of an angel.
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The final expenses
of those famous five sheets
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were the costs
of returning a possible corpse.
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The Vatican has only two burial sites.
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One is under Sant'Anna Church.
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The other one is this cemetery,
which is the Teutonic Cemetery.
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I called Pietro.
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We went to the Teutonic Cemetery.
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We started going around the tombs.
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And we found the angel.
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The Orlandis had been basically everywhere
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to search for Emanuela.
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Yet, that tip-off
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said she was buried
a few hundred meters from their home
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I decided to write
to the Secretary of State.
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"I'm telling you
that Emanuela is buried in your house
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now you have to answer me."
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Frankly, we wrote it
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thinking that
along with our other requests
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it would be left unanswered.
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Yet after a few months
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we learn from a press release
from the Holy See
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that they were arranging
the opening not just of one tomb
261
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but also a tomb adjacent
to the one we had been directed to.
262
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So finally these tombs would be opened.
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Where else could the Vatican have
buried Emanuela if not in their own home?
264
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The safest place
where no one would ever go looking
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could be only their home.
266
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Many people said, "At least if they
find her remains all this will be over."
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I felt anxious, I have to be honest.
268
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They then broke through the tomb's floor...
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and discovered underneath
a large room 3x3 meters wide.
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Please, the tombs are empty.
271
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There are no graves, there are no bones.
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They are completely empty.
273
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Not finding Emanuela was
a bit of a relief for me, I must admit.
274
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Even though everything was left hanging
275
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at least that wasn't
the day that Emanuela died for me.
276
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I think there are people
inside the Vatican
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who know what happened to Emanuela
278
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and those people
are still being blackmailed for that.
279
00:32:57,440 --> 00:33:01,040
And from time to time
information comes out
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that is a way of saying to them
281
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"Be careful,
we know what happened to Emanuela."
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The tombs too were used
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in my opinion, precisely for this reason.
284
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And what happened next...
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in my view, proves it.
286
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,160
Viganò came to visit me, and he told me
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00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:08,600
an extraordinary story.
288
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:13,760
Things regarding the exact night
of the disappearance of Emanuela Orlandi.
289
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It was 22 June 1983.
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Welcome back, friends.
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African high pressure
is affecting the Lazio region
292
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causing scorching days across the area.
293
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In central Rome
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temperatures will reach
37 degrees Celsius with a humidity of...
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The Pope, John Paul II, was in Poland.
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Viganò was a young priest
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working as a clerk
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for the Deputy Secretary of State.
299
00:36:31,720 --> 00:36:33,040
At 8 p.m. that night
300
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the phone rang at the State Secretariat.
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Viganò picked up.
302
00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:45,760
On the other end,
there was Father Panciroli
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00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:51,240
who was the head
of the Vatican Press Office at the time.
304
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:57,640
Father Panciroli reported
to Monsignor Viganò
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00:36:57,720 --> 00:37:00,760
that they had received
an anonymous phone call
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from a mysterious man
who had dictated a message
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00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,840
in which they laid claim
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to Emanuela Orlandi's kidnapping.
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00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:41,520
For those first few days
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the investigation doesn't go anywhere.
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They urge the family
to be calm and relaxed.
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Nothing to worry about.
313
00:37:49,720 --> 00:37:53,120
But no, Emanuela has been kidnapped
314
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:54,760
and the Vatican
gets to know it that night.
315
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,120
And above all
316
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:05,280
the first phone call
is not to the Orlandi family.
317
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,680
It's to the Vatican Press Office.
318
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:11,400
Then Emanuela Orlandi was kidnapped
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with the clear intention
of immediately blackmailing the Vatican.
320
00:38:16,600 --> 00:38:21,200
An intention that
they have kept hidden to this day.
321
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:09,840
This is the story
322
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,680
but it does not explain the big question.
323
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:18,760
If it was just for money,
it would have been more convenient
324
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:23,680
to abduct a cardinal,
an officer, or an important priest.
325
00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:30,560
Why did they do it?
Why abduct that girl and not a cardinal?
326
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:37,400
The only explanation for me
and other people is that she had a secret.
327
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:42,160
A significant secret concerning
the high ecclesiastic ranks of the Vatican
328
00:39:42,240 --> 00:39:44,760
which could have led to a huge scandal.
329
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:52,040
What is this big secret,
this blackmail still going on
330
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:54,600
for which Emanuela Orlandi was kidnapped?
331
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:59,600
This is the question
I have always asked myself.
332
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:04,240
Why did the Vatican do this?
What is the secret they are hiding?
333
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,560
Why was Emanuela Orlandi kidnapped?
334
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:57,400
Thank you for coming.
335
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,240
I know this is the first time
you are telling this story.
336
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:04,240
I imagine it's difficult for you.
337
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:06,520
Thank you for being brave.
338
00:41:08,680 --> 00:41:11,560
You are speaking anonymously today.
339
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:14,400
Why anonymously?
340
00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:19,360
Because...
341
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,120
I just feel safer.
342
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:22,960
I feel safer, and...
343
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:27,880
also I can talk better about her.
344
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:35,760
Emanuela and I met
because we were at the same school.
345
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:46,040
We liked each other from the beginning,
346
00:41:46,120 --> 00:41:48,360
so we became close friends from the start.
347
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,400
And we used to meet at school
348
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,000
and even outside school.
349
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,320
A nice girl.
350
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:00,960
The girl next door.
351
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:09,320
Both Emanuela and I
were very reserved in our teenage years
352
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:14,920
because our parents
were very strict and very Catholic.
353
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:23,800
However, we liked to mess around.
354
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:27,840
To go out secretly,
even if our mothers did not want us to
355
00:42:27,920 --> 00:42:31,400
and we'd go a little further afield,
even out of the Vatican
356
00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,720
to get out and about, maybe meet a boy.
357
00:42:39,960 --> 00:42:44,680
What every other girl of that age,
13, 14, 15 years old should do.
358
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,840
The last time Emanuela and I met
359
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:09,840
was on a day when Emanuela called me.
360
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,240
It was the week
before everything happened.
361
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:28,480
She said, "Listen.
362
00:43:30,360 --> 00:43:34,840
We need to meet up.
I have a secret to confess.
363
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:36,440
Something secret I want to tell you."
364
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:48,480
We met outside the Vatican
but just under her home.
365
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,200
At first, I thought, "There's a boy."
366
00:43:54,640 --> 00:44:00,000
But I realized straight away
that it wasn't the nice secret I imagined.
367
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:05,760
From the way she looked, she looked stiff.
368
00:44:08,880 --> 00:44:10,480
She looked scared.
369
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:16,120
Even ashamed maybe.
370
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,840
Then Emanuela told me
371
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:27,000
that while she was walking
in the Vatican gardens...
372
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:38,920
someone...
373
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,560
someone really close to the Pope...
374
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,360
had been bothering her.
375
00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:05,320
She used those words?
376
00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:06,480
Yes.
377
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:07,640
What did she mean?
378
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:11,760
Bothering her...
379
00:45:12,640 --> 00:45:15,720
He had been bothering her,
I can't find a different word right now
380
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:19,360
to better express the meaning.
381
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,440
For me it was enough,
I swear, just looking at her.
382
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,440
I understood what she meant.
383
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:29,840
-Did you know that was a sexual advance?
-Absolutely yes.
384
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,760
The idea that something of that kind
385
00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:40,920
could have happened to Emanuela
386
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:44,160
is something that, obviously
387
00:45:44,240 --> 00:45:48,200
the Vatican would keep hidden at any cost.
388
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:53,560
Because now they talk a lot about
pedophilia, but outside of the Vatican.
389
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:11,160
There has never been any accusation
of pedophilia on Vatican soil.
390
00:46:11,240 --> 00:46:14,760
If any abuse occurs inside the Vatican
391
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,160
it means that the highest ranks
of the Church are involved.
392
00:46:17,240 --> 00:46:19,640
And that is far more serious.
393
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:31,280
Who should she have spoken to?
She told me, maybe to feel better.
394
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:32,960
I didn't do anything.
395
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:40,480
I don't know.
396
00:46:56,880 --> 00:47:02,480
The feeling was a bit like embarrassment.
397
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,800
Who should she have spoken to?
398
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:09,720
She told me,
maybe to free herself from that thing.
399
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,320
Who would have believed this story?
400
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,120
Two young girls
who maybe hang around together
401
00:47:34,680 --> 00:47:36,560
who may have invented it all.
402
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:38,040
I don't know.
403
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,760
But, really, the main feeling was
404
00:47:43,400 --> 00:47:47,680
the shame of telling such a thing.
405
00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,680
But she was very close to her family.
406
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:05,160
Wouldn't she share such a thing
with someone in the family?
407
00:48:05,240 --> 00:48:06,640
No, I don't think so.
408
00:48:06,720 --> 00:48:08,440
I don't think so.
409
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:10,720
She wouldn't confide
410
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,920
something like that to her family.
411
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,960
Her father worked there,
how could she do that?
412
00:48:19,920 --> 00:48:23,280
They all used to live there.
They would have had to move, at least.
413
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:30,040
I don't believe that she would ever
have told something like this at home
414
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,560
to her sisters, to me, to my father.
415
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,000
She would have never said
"A cardinal has harassed me."
416
00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:48,160
I think it's important
to tell this story now
417
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:52,400
because I didn't do this earlier.
418
00:48:55,240 --> 00:48:57,160
And maybe if I had done it before
419
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,040
Something could have changed.
420
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,320
I don't know.
421
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:03,120
Forgive me.
422
00:49:13,160 --> 00:49:16,240
Are you afraid that someone
from the Vatican will take revenge?
423
00:49:18,520 --> 00:49:20,920
Well, I mean
424
00:49:21,800 --> 00:49:25,440
I'm always afraid, because unfortunately...
425
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:28,960
it's a bad world.
426
00:49:29,040 --> 00:49:33,480
A world where many things shouldn't exist...
427
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:41,120
...A fifteen-year-old...
428
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:22,440
Do you think that the Vatican knows
what happened to Emanuela?
429
00:51:22,520 --> 00:51:23,480
Yes.
430
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:25,160
Yes, absolutely.
431
00:51:25,240 --> 00:51:27,400
I am absolutely sure
432
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:31,200
that the Vatican knows
what happened to Emanuela Orlandi.
433
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:40,360
Every lead is linked to the Vatican.
434
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:41,760
I believe
435
00:51:41,840 --> 00:51:46,720
based on the impressions I felt back then
436
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:50,840
that within the Vatican, there was someone
437
00:51:50,920 --> 00:51:55,520
who had information they could share
438
00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:57,600
but they didn't.
439
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,120
Absolutely yes.
440
00:52:02,200 --> 00:52:06,840
In the Vatican many people know
what happened to Emanuela Orlandi.
441
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,040
Of course yes, absolutely.
442
00:52:11,520 --> 00:52:14,720
There has to be someone
who knows the truth in the Vatican.
443
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:23,720
The Vatican certainly knows what happened
to Emanuela, they always have known.
444
00:52:25,000 --> 00:52:28,160
I think so, yes. That's what I think.
445
00:53:09,240 --> 00:53:12,720
Time is the enemy of truth
446
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,240
and is the friend
of those who hide the truth.
447
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:23,360
Many people who were involved have died.
448
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,880
Others are very old.
449
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:31,040
Therefore, the perfect strategy was
450
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,280
to let time fall, let time go.
451
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:35,200
There is no more time to waste.
452
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:49,280
The only thing I know for sure
453
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:51,200
is that the Vatican knows the truth.
454
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:53,800
They know what happened on that day.
455
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,840
Now, I'm asking them to tell that truth
456
00:53:56,920 --> 00:54:00,200
because the moment has arrived,
too many years have gone by.
457
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:06,560
My mother is 92 years old.
458
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,840
They have to do that
for my mother, for Emanuela.
459
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:16,600
If Emanuela is dead
460
00:54:16,680 --> 00:54:17,960
they have to tell us
461
00:54:18,040 --> 00:54:20,960
so that my mother could at least
bring a flower to her grave.
462
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:23,280
Otherwise, if Emanuela is alive,
let us hug her again.
463
00:54:24,240 --> 00:54:26,720
I'm just asking for this story to end.
464
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:42,400
National School Vittorio Emanuele II.
465
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:45,800
National School Vittorio Emanuele II.
466
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:49,960
I should be in the third year
of high school next year.
467
00:54:50,040 --> 00:54:53,640
I should be in the third year
of high school next year.
468
00:54:54,840 --> 00:54:59,200
My sister Emanuela
has been missing for 37 years.
469
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:30,680
Subtitle translation by:
Elisabetta Biagiola