1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:42,218 [computer clicking] 4 00:00:49,356 --> 00:00:51,140 [breathing] 5 00:00:55,623 --> 00:00:57,407 [breathing] 6 00:01:10,812 --> 00:01:13,946 YOUNG GIRL: Once upon a time, the sun was shining. 7 00:01:14,076 --> 00:01:16,513 And it went up into the sky. 8 00:01:17,079 --> 00:01:20,430 [upbeat music playing] 9 00:01:23,651 --> 00:01:27,176 TAYLOR: Math and science make sense. 10 00:01:27,307 --> 00:01:32,486 Numbers don't lie and aren't really up for interpretation. 11 00:01:32,616 --> 00:01:36,011 I come from a long line of engineers. 12 00:01:36,142 --> 00:01:37,752 Both my parents are engineers. 13 00:01:39,014 --> 00:01:41,234 My grandfather is an engineer. My cousin is an engineer. 14 00:01:41,364 --> 00:01:44,150 My uncle is an engineer. I'm an engineer. 15 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:45,542 My other cousin's going for engineering, 16 00:01:45,673 --> 00:01:47,370 like everyone in the family. 17 00:01:47,501 --> 00:01:48,894 We're all a bunch of nerds. 18 00:01:49,068 --> 00:01:51,374 [upbeat music playing] 19 00:01:51,592 --> 00:01:52,767 [blocks clacking] 20 00:01:53,420 --> 00:01:55,639 Yes. We have a marble, a wedge and blocks. 21 00:01:55,857 --> 00:01:58,555 TAYLOR: My mom is like the hardest working person that I know, 22 00:01:59,426 --> 00:02:02,168 so that naturally kind of led me and my brother to believe 23 00:02:02,298 --> 00:02:04,997 that like we could be really, really hard working people. 24 00:02:06,259 --> 00:02:08,261 I always just wanted to like make her proud. 25 00:02:08,783 --> 00:02:10,829 [upbeat music playing] 26 00:02:20,403 --> 00:02:22,797 I'll admit it. I liked school. 27 00:02:22,928 --> 00:02:25,147 I always did my homework. I never once cheated. 28 00:02:25,278 --> 00:02:26,932 I never once, like, broke the rules 29 00:02:27,062 --> 00:02:29,369 because I was too scared what would happen if I did? 30 00:02:29,499 --> 00:02:31,458 And also, just like, I didn't want to break the rules. 31 00:02:31,632 --> 00:02:33,547 MAN: Whoa! Holy smokes. 32 00:02:34,287 --> 00:02:35,810 TAYLOR: I think my teachers were concerned because 33 00:02:35,941 --> 00:02:38,726 I was worried about college when I was in seventh grade. 34 00:02:38,900 --> 00:02:41,511 Like, I was like stressing out about getting into college 35 00:02:41,642 --> 00:02:42,599 when I was 12. 36 00:02:43,818 --> 00:02:46,908 [upbeat music playing] 37 00:02:49,650 --> 00:02:51,521 I think I'm definitely very concerned about 38 00:02:51,652 --> 00:02:53,001 how others perceive me. 39 00:02:59,312 --> 00:03:01,444 [keyboard typing] 40 00:03:03,882 --> 00:03:04,883 [notification dings] 41 00:03:07,146 --> 00:03:09,061 [keyboard typing] 42 00:03:13,369 --> 00:03:14,370 [notification dings] 43 00:03:20,550 --> 00:03:21,595 [notification dings] 44 00:03:28,558 --> 00:03:29,559 [computer clicks] 45 00:03:29,690 --> 00:03:31,126 [keyboard typing] 46 00:03:33,302 --> 00:03:34,521 [notification dings] 47 00:03:40,744 --> 00:03:44,879 [heavy breathing] 48 00:03:45,010 --> 00:03:48,578 [static ringing] 49 00:03:56,760 --> 00:03:59,850 [overwhelming music playing] 50 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,162 TAYLOR: I was sitting here with my boyfriend 51 00:04:07,771 --> 00:04:10,296 and my face popped up on the screen. 52 00:04:10,470 --> 00:04:12,951 [overwhelming music playing] 53 00:04:15,301 --> 00:04:17,694 And it was just shocking. Like seeing my face. 54 00:04:17,825 --> 00:04:19,870 Looking at the camera. 55 00:04:20,001 --> 00:04:22,264 Basically making eye contact with me. 56 00:04:31,752 --> 00:04:34,973 I had actually been getting messages from guys on Instagram. 57 00:04:36,365 --> 00:04:38,933 [overwhelming music playing] 58 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,201 It clicked like, oh my God, 59 00:04:46,419 --> 00:04:49,248 people were messaging me because they found me on... 60 00:04:49,422 --> 00:04:50,510 on a porn website. 61 00:04:57,386 --> 00:04:58,866 I was just... 62 00:04:59,432 --> 00:05:02,000 first of all shocked that, like, my name and my face were on there. 63 00:05:02,130 --> 00:05:04,089 I didn't even, like, register 64 00:05:04,219 --> 00:05:07,614 that my school and my hometown 65 00:05:07,744 --> 00:05:08,876 were also on there. 66 00:05:09,007 --> 00:05:10,791 And then just seeing like, oh my God, 67 00:05:10,921 --> 00:05:13,141 these videos have thousands of views on them. 68 00:05:18,842 --> 00:05:22,759 TAYLOR: There were, I think, six or seven videos on Pornhub. 69 00:05:24,370 --> 00:05:26,589 And there's also an Xhamster account. 70 00:05:39,428 --> 00:05:41,909 People were commenting like disgusting things, 71 00:05:42,257 --> 00:05:43,432 and I had to read that 72 00:05:43,563 --> 00:05:46,000 and know that like... they know my face. 73 00:05:46,131 --> 00:05:48,568 Like these people now know what I look like 74 00:05:48,698 --> 00:05:51,049 and they know my name and they know where I'm from. 75 00:05:59,492 --> 00:06:00,449 I was scared that these people 76 00:06:00,580 --> 00:06:01,972 who thought it was actually me 77 00:06:02,103 --> 00:06:04,062 would actually try to come find me. 78 00:06:08,675 --> 00:06:10,633 And excuse my language, hearing that the next time 79 00:06:10,764 --> 00:06:12,418 someone's in your hometown, 80 00:06:12,635 --> 00:06:15,682 they're going to fuck you, is just terrifying. 81 00:06:17,945 --> 00:06:21,340 [overwhelming music playing] 82 00:06:28,869 --> 00:06:30,871 I still just haven't really processed it. 83 00:06:31,872 --> 00:06:32,786 Uh... 84 00:06:33,874 --> 00:06:36,790 It's... 85 00:06:36,920 --> 00:06:38,705 It's like one of those things that's too upsetting to think about. 86 00:06:38,835 --> 00:06:40,620 So I just don't. 87 00:06:40,750 --> 00:06:44,102 [concerned music playing] 88 00:06:51,457 --> 00:06:53,720 TAYLOR: That night I was supposed to hop on a Zoom call 89 00:06:53,850 --> 00:06:55,504 to play golf with friends. 90 00:07:01,119 --> 00:07:04,078 I just wanted to be numb, basically. 91 00:07:07,386 --> 00:07:08,474 And then I drank. 92 00:07:13,609 --> 00:07:15,524 I was making jokes about it like, 93 00:07:15,655 --> 00:07:17,570 "No one thought I was going to be a porn star," 94 00:07:17,744 --> 00:07:20,355 stupid jokes that, just, like, help me laugh 95 00:07:20,486 --> 00:07:22,314 laugh at the situation a little bit. 96 00:07:28,146 --> 00:07:31,366 I didn't want to, like, feel any of that anymore. 97 00:07:32,193 --> 00:07:36,154 I didn't want to feel scared. 98 00:07:36,284 --> 00:07:39,374 I didn't want to feel like I was going to get hurt. 99 00:07:39,505 --> 00:07:43,639 [concerned music playing] 100 00:07:43,770 --> 00:07:48,122 In bed that night, I kind of just, like, broke. 101 00:07:51,125 --> 00:07:53,171 I felt very like... dirty. 102 00:07:55,390 --> 00:07:57,653 It was the end of the night, and I was like... 103 00:07:59,307 --> 00:08:00,700 all you have left at that point is just, like, 104 00:08:00,830 --> 00:08:02,571 you're kind of alone with your feelings. 105 00:08:02,702 --> 00:08:05,313 And then it kind of hit me what had actually happened. 106 00:08:06,967 --> 00:08:09,535 [crickets chirping] 107 00:08:14,714 --> 00:08:17,064 I kept asking myself: 108 00:08:17,195 --> 00:08:19,849 "Why would someone... want to do this?" 109 00:08:19,980 --> 00:08:21,938 And, "Who would do this?" 110 00:08:26,595 --> 00:08:31,774 I felt like... someone's trying to... punish me. 111 00:08:32,732 --> 00:08:34,821 [dramatic music playing] 112 00:08:36,736 --> 00:08:38,781 VOICES: This is synthetic. 113 00:08:38,912 --> 00:08:40,305 Read my lips. 114 00:08:41,131 --> 00:08:43,960 REPORTER: Deepfake videos which are manipulated using AI 115 00:08:44,091 --> 00:08:45,527 can make someone appear as though 116 00:08:45,658 --> 00:08:48,051 they're saying or doing something that they're not. 117 00:08:49,314 --> 00:08:50,967 My face is Ellen's. 118 00:08:51,098 --> 00:08:52,926 My voice is Michelle's. 119 00:08:53,143 --> 00:08:54,971 Ellen did not say these words. 120 00:08:56,886 --> 00:08:58,801 VOICES: Frame after frame after frame, 121 00:08:58,932 --> 00:09:01,804 it synthesises a new appearance 122 00:09:01,935 --> 00:09:04,807 to match the expression of the person in the original video. 123 00:09:05,634 --> 00:09:06,853 REPORTER: These manipulated images 124 00:09:06,983 --> 00:09:09,464 can pose a very real national security threat - 125 00:09:09,595 --> 00:09:12,554 Fake videos could become a real and present danger 126 00:09:12,685 --> 00:09:14,469 to our democracy, Dana. 127 00:09:14,600 --> 00:09:17,429 REPORTER: This is a threat they believe could impact the election. 128 00:09:17,864 --> 00:09:21,346 But the most pressing daily threat of deepfakes isn't politics... 129 00:09:22,912 --> 00:09:24,174 It's porn. 130 00:09:25,045 --> 00:09:27,265 Right now, it is a violence against women issue 131 00:09:27,395 --> 00:09:31,617 and it has been since they entered the public sphere in late 2018. 132 00:09:34,228 --> 00:09:37,144 Teachers, social workers, 133 00:09:37,275 --> 00:09:40,539 nurses, moms, teenagers. 134 00:09:41,366 --> 00:09:44,456 Once these images are online, they never truly go away. 135 00:09:45,152 --> 00:09:47,807 They're out there and there is no getting them back. 136 00:09:55,510 --> 00:09:59,862 AUTOMATED VOICE: May 22, 2020. 137 00:10:00,863 --> 00:10:02,735 POLICE OFFICER: 138 00:10:02,865 --> 00:10:05,215 TAYLOR: 139 00:10:15,138 --> 00:10:16,662 [computer typing] 140 00:10:18,490 --> 00:10:21,971 POLICE OFFICER: 141 00:10:22,102 --> 00:10:24,365 TAYLOR: 142 00:10:24,496 --> 00:10:26,236 POLICE OFFICER: 143 00:10:40,642 --> 00:10:42,383 [bleep] 144 00:10:43,602 --> 00:10:46,213 JAMIE: 145 00:10:46,344 --> 00:10:48,520 POLICE OFFICER: 146 00:10:49,129 --> 00:10:50,435 JAMIE: 147 00:10:51,305 --> 00:10:52,350 [phone hangs up] 148 00:10:54,090 --> 00:10:57,311 [ambient music playing] 149 00:11:07,103 --> 00:11:09,932 TAYLOR: In those first couple of days, I was very paranoid. 150 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,809 It was just constant worrying about, like, 151 00:11:16,939 --> 00:11:19,246 are more people that I know going to see this. 152 00:11:21,204 --> 00:11:23,163 Are they going to see this type of stuff on like, 153 00:11:23,293 --> 00:11:24,382 background checks? 154 00:11:26,122 --> 00:11:29,865 It kind of, like, consumed what I did. 155 00:11:36,437 --> 00:11:38,874 I was really worried to tell my parents 156 00:11:39,005 --> 00:11:42,617 because I thought that they wouldn't really understand 157 00:11:42,791 --> 00:11:46,142 what had happened, and maybe in a way think that it was... 158 00:11:46,534 --> 00:11:48,318 Um... my fault. 159 00:11:51,713 --> 00:11:56,762 I was just in tears and... just incredibly upset. 160 00:11:58,067 --> 00:12:01,157 [ambient music playing] 161 00:12:08,774 --> 00:12:10,471 I was just terrified that there was someone out there 162 00:12:10,602 --> 00:12:11,951 who wanted to do this to me. 163 00:12:17,609 --> 00:12:19,828 I didn't know what their motives were, 164 00:12:19,959 --> 00:12:23,963 I didn't know if their intent was then to cause me physical harm. 165 00:12:24,877 --> 00:12:28,533 It was this feeling of like, I'm not safe anywhere. 166 00:12:30,186 --> 00:12:34,756 [footsteps] 167 00:12:37,367 --> 00:12:38,281 TAYLOR: 168 00:12:38,412 --> 00:12:39,239 JAMIE: 169 00:12:39,369 --> 00:12:43,591 TAYLOR: 170 00:12:48,248 --> 00:12:51,033 TAYLOR: I think it's really important for me to stay anonymous 171 00:12:51,164 --> 00:12:54,167 because I don't want this to follow me throughout my life. 172 00:12:59,999 --> 00:13:00,869 So... 173 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:02,392 my name isn't really Taylor, 174 00:13:02,523 --> 00:13:04,830 and CTech isn't a real college. 175 00:13:07,746 --> 00:13:09,791 All of this footage is of me, 176 00:13:11,097 --> 00:13:14,317 but the face you're watching right now isn't actually my face. 177 00:13:16,537 --> 00:13:19,105 It's an actor's face deepfaked over mine. 178 00:13:21,150 --> 00:13:24,589 This is the only way I would ever feel safe to tell my story. 179 00:13:28,201 --> 00:13:32,031 [dramatic music playing] 180 00:13:40,822 --> 00:13:42,998 TAYLOR: God. We're basically playing phone tag 181 00:13:43,129 --> 00:13:44,826 with the police for a couple of weeks. 182 00:13:47,742 --> 00:13:49,788 The detective that got assigned to the case 183 00:13:49,918 --> 00:13:51,093 finally called me. 184 00:13:51,441 --> 00:13:53,792 and I had to explain the entire thing again. 185 00:13:53,922 --> 00:13:56,969 So they said, "Someone put porn of you online?" 186 00:13:57,099 --> 00:14:00,450 And I was like, "No, someone put my face on porn online." 187 00:14:00,668 --> 00:14:03,758 And they seemed really confused as to why that's wrong. 188 00:14:07,632 --> 00:14:09,590 The detective was saying weird things to me, like, 189 00:14:09,721 --> 00:14:11,723 "“Oh, well, I need to look closely at these videos 190 00:14:11,853 --> 00:14:13,333 to make sure that it's you." 191 00:14:13,463 --> 00:14:14,943 And, "I'm really going to have to examine this."” 192 00:14:18,686 --> 00:14:23,561 He asked: "“What have you done to cause someone to do this to you?"” 193 00:14:25,084 --> 00:14:27,652 [dramatic music playing] 194 00:14:31,525 --> 00:14:32,787 After a couple of weeks, 195 00:14:32,918 --> 00:14:35,616 I had called him again and he said that: 196 00:14:35,747 --> 00:14:37,879 "“It's disgusting what happened, 197 00:14:38,010 --> 00:14:39,881 but the person had a right to do it." 198 00:14:40,012 --> 00:14:41,317 Like, they didn't break any laws, 199 00:14:41,448 --> 00:14:43,015 so they had a right to do that. 200 00:14:49,238 --> 00:14:50,588 [computer beeps] 201 00:14:53,286 --> 00:14:54,679 JAMIE: OK, it is now recording. 202 00:14:54,809 --> 00:14:56,071 TAYLOR: All right it'’s recording. 203 00:14:56,811 --> 00:14:58,726 JAMIE: Hopefully... TAYLOR: My head'’s in the center. 204 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:00,685 [typing] 205 00:15:03,818 --> 00:15:05,167 [computer clicks] 206 00:15:14,220 --> 00:15:15,308 TAYLOR: Hi, Adam 207 00:15:15,569 --> 00:15:17,005 ADAM: Hi, Taylor. TAYLOR: Do you have a... 208 00:15:17,136 --> 00:15:18,920 pseudonym that I should use or... 209 00:15:19,051 --> 00:15:21,749 ADAM: So nice of you to ask. No, you can just call me Adam. It's fine. 210 00:15:22,358 --> 00:15:23,490 TAYLOR: I feel like I'’m very nervous about, 211 00:15:23,621 --> 00:15:25,448 talking about, like, my experience. 212 00:15:25,971 --> 00:15:27,494 Because I called the state police, 213 00:15:27,625 --> 00:15:28,843 and they basically told me, 214 00:15:28,974 --> 00:15:30,671 you know, "We can't do anything for you. 215 00:15:30,802 --> 00:15:32,368 We're not going to do anything for you." 216 00:15:32,499 --> 00:15:35,458 ADAM: I'm not surprised, but I'm sorry to hear that's happened. 217 00:15:35,589 --> 00:15:39,898 So, there are no deepfake laws in your state. 218 00:15:40,028 --> 00:15:41,073 Um... 219 00:15:41,203 --> 00:15:43,031 There are a couple in other states, 220 00:15:43,379 --> 00:15:46,948 and there'’s no federal law as it exists today. 221 00:15:47,079 --> 00:15:49,777 I trained 500 judges last year on deepfakes, 222 00:15:49,995 --> 00:15:54,390 and I would say in excess of 90% of them had never heard of a deepfake before. 223 00:15:54,608 --> 00:15:55,565 TAYLOR: Yeah. 224 00:15:56,218 --> 00:15:59,265 ADAM: With respect to non-consensual pornography laws, 225 00:15:59,700 --> 00:16:04,009 deepfakes typically don't fall within the parameters of those laws, 226 00:16:04,139 --> 00:16:08,143 because it's not the victim's body. 227 00:16:08,448 --> 00:16:10,842 That's why we typically look for other ways, 228 00:16:10,972 --> 00:16:12,147 false impersonation 229 00:16:12,278 --> 00:16:14,019 or credible impersonation. 230 00:16:14,149 --> 00:16:16,761 Now, the reality is it's very easy to anonymize yourself online. 231 00:16:16,891 --> 00:16:18,023 TAYLOR: Yeah. 232 00:16:18,153 --> 00:16:21,504 And... usually the investigations I see 233 00:16:21,635 --> 00:16:23,942 where they are able to catch somebody is they - 234 00:16:24,290 --> 00:16:27,989 there's like a second where they didn't have their VPN on. 235 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:31,601 And that is the tiny hole in that anonymous shield 236 00:16:31,732 --> 00:16:35,910 that they're able to get through it and prove who that person is. 237 00:16:37,259 --> 00:16:39,653 [dramatic music playing] 238 00:16:58,280 --> 00:16:59,325 TAYLOR: I want to find out who did this 239 00:16:59,455 --> 00:17:01,240 because I want to know why. 240 00:17:04,112 --> 00:17:05,940 I want to know what was going through their head 241 00:17:06,071 --> 00:17:07,725 when they decided to do this. 242 00:17:10,858 --> 00:17:13,165 Clearly this person wanted to emphasize 243 00:17:13,295 --> 00:17:14,688 where I went to school. 244 00:17:18,300 --> 00:17:22,783 One of my big concerns is if they go to CTech, 245 00:17:22,914 --> 00:17:26,613 because I'm going back to start my Masters in the fall. 246 00:17:26,744 --> 00:17:28,920 I don't want to be on the same campus 247 00:17:29,050 --> 00:17:30,922 as the person who did this to me 248 00:17:31,052 --> 00:17:33,098 but I have no idea who they are. 249 00:17:38,103 --> 00:17:40,453 [cat purring] 250 00:17:40,583 --> 00:17:42,107 [whispers] Good girl. 251 00:17:44,326 --> 00:17:48,200 [dramatic music playing] 252 00:18:04,346 --> 00:18:06,696 OK, so I only have like 5 minutes to make this 253 00:18:06,827 --> 00:18:09,003 because I have to go to work. 254 00:18:10,526 --> 00:18:12,093 My boyfriend found another 255 00:18:12,224 --> 00:18:14,443 video that the person had uploaded, 256 00:18:14,574 --> 00:18:21,494 so they uploaded a new video, same profile, same shit. 257 00:18:21,624 --> 00:18:24,062 Like, really? Like you're not done yet. 258 00:18:24,192 --> 00:18:26,238 You're not like, are you not satisfied 259 00:18:26,412 --> 00:18:28,501 with everything that you've done so far? 260 00:18:29,023 --> 00:18:30,851 I'm annoyed that the police aren't taking care of this. 261 00:18:31,025 --> 00:18:32,940 I'm annoyed that I have to be the one 262 00:18:33,071 --> 00:18:35,551 to find the evidence and find, like 263 00:18:35,682 --> 00:18:38,250 Like I should not be doing their jobs for them. 264 00:18:38,511 --> 00:18:40,382 So it's just. It's just really annoying. 265 00:18:40,513 --> 00:18:41,993 It's very frustrating. 266 00:18:43,603 --> 00:18:47,389 [dramatic music playing] 267 00:18:52,307 --> 00:18:54,353 VOICES: So often they told victims, 268 00:18:54,483 --> 00:18:59,053 just turn your computer off, ignore it, it'll go away. 269 00:18:59,488 --> 00:19:01,926 Not only are these women powerless to do anything about it, 270 00:19:02,317 --> 00:19:06,234 but the law protects the websites distributing these videos. 271 00:19:06,365 --> 00:19:08,454 Tech companies, for the last 20 years, 272 00:19:08,584 --> 00:19:14,025 have had a spectacular gift of shield from liability. 273 00:19:14,155 --> 00:19:16,592 It's called Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act. 274 00:19:17,506 --> 00:19:20,205 It's the law that allows sites to be hosted 275 00:19:20,335 --> 00:19:21,859 in the United States 276 00:19:21,989 --> 00:19:24,600 that absolves them of any responsibility. 277 00:19:25,297 --> 00:19:27,603 The tech industry profits from it. They do. 278 00:19:27,734 --> 00:19:29,649 They profit from the most outrageous, 279 00:19:29,779 --> 00:19:30,998 the most salacious... 280 00:19:31,129 --> 00:19:33,566 This stuff is good for business. 281 00:19:46,666 --> 00:19:47,710 [notification dings] 282 00:19:49,016 --> 00:19:50,017 [notification dings] 283 00:20:04,989 --> 00:20:06,338 [notification dings] 284 00:20:09,776 --> 00:20:14,128 TAYLOR: OK so really, all I have to say right now is holy fuck. 285 00:20:14,259 --> 00:20:16,914 About 20 minutes ago I found out that 286 00:20:17,044 --> 00:20:19,351 I know the other girl who this is happening to. 287 00:20:19,612 --> 00:20:21,483 I lived with her freshman year of college 288 00:20:21,614 --> 00:20:23,877 like we used to be friends. We know the same people. 289 00:20:24,008 --> 00:20:25,574 We've pissed off, the same people. 290 00:20:25,705 --> 00:20:28,099 I just don't even know how to feel right now. It's... 291 00:20:28,751 --> 00:20:31,015 Obviously I'm pissed. Like, I'm very angry. 292 00:20:31,145 --> 00:20:33,365 I feel horrible that this is also happening to her, 293 00:20:33,495 --> 00:20:35,019 because I know how it's affected me. 294 00:20:35,149 --> 00:20:37,412 So I can only imagine how it's also affected her. 295 00:20:37,586 --> 00:20:38,631 I don't know what to do right now. 296 00:20:38,761 --> 00:20:39,675 This is crazy. 297 00:20:39,893 --> 00:20:40,807 Um... 298 00:20:41,329 --> 00:20:42,417 But yeah. Holy fuck. 299 00:20:42,548 --> 00:20:44,071 This is - This is really fucked up. 300 00:20:56,083 --> 00:20:58,390 [phone ringing] 301 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,265 TAYLOR: Hey, Julia. 302 00:21:04,396 --> 00:21:05,527 JULIA: Hi, what'’ up? 303 00:21:05,658 --> 00:21:07,834 TAYLOR: How'’s it, how are you doing? 304 00:21:07,965 --> 00:21:09,575 JULIA: Good. How are you? 305 00:21:09,705 --> 00:21:11,403 TAYLOR: I'm good. I'm good. 306 00:21:11,533 --> 00:21:14,710 This is definitely a weird situation that we're in. 307 00:21:14,841 --> 00:21:17,235 JULIA: Yeah. TAYLOR: I mean, like 308 00:21:17,365 --> 00:21:20,064 I don't know what information like you have already, 309 00:21:20,238 --> 00:21:22,718 but I called the police, they haven't really done anything, 310 00:21:22,849 --> 00:21:25,721 so I'm just trying to get as much information as I can. 311 00:21:25,895 --> 00:21:27,723 JULIA: My name is Julia in this film, 312 00:21:27,854 --> 00:21:29,812 but that's not my real name. 313 00:21:31,379 --> 00:21:35,601 I am a student and I went to school with Taylor. 314 00:21:39,953 --> 00:21:43,478 JULIA: At first I started receiving a bunch of Snapchat notifications 315 00:21:43,609 --> 00:21:45,480 from people adding me... 316 00:21:45,959 --> 00:21:49,528 And then finally I like accepted one of the friend requests 317 00:21:49,658 --> 00:21:52,009 and I was like, "Hey, where did you add me from?" 318 00:21:52,139 --> 00:21:55,969 And he was like, "“Oh, someone posted your Snapchat on 4chan."” 319 00:22:05,892 --> 00:22:07,502 TAYLOR: We couldn't find anything on 4chan, 320 00:22:07,633 --> 00:22:09,591 but I also didn't know how 4chan works, 321 00:22:09,722 --> 00:22:11,724 so I had to have my boyfriend explain it to me. 322 00:22:11,898 --> 00:22:14,509 JULIA: So 4chan is an online forum 323 00:22:14,640 --> 00:22:16,946 where people can post anonymously, 324 00:22:17,077 --> 00:22:19,732 and it can be very hard to track their identities. 325 00:22:29,655 --> 00:22:34,051 Sometimes photos can be used kind of as currency on these forums. 326 00:22:38,403 --> 00:22:40,057 So on 4chan there's threads 327 00:22:40,187 --> 00:22:44,452 and a really common one is to post, like, for a specific state. 328 00:22:44,583 --> 00:22:47,238 So like mine was I think under the Connecticut one 329 00:22:47,629 --> 00:22:49,501 and people were requesting pictures of me, 330 00:22:49,631 --> 00:22:51,981 like they were asking for me by name. TAYLOR: Oh my God 331 00:22:52,112 --> 00:22:53,635 JULIA: It was just like, it's super creepy. 332 00:22:53,766 --> 00:22:55,420 TAYLOR: I'm so sorry this is happening to you. 333 00:22:55,550 --> 00:22:57,813 This is horrible. I know how I'm feeling through this. 334 00:22:57,944 --> 00:23:01,382 So, like, it's just, this is... This is fucked that someone's doing this. 335 00:23:01,556 --> 00:23:03,080 JULIA: Yeah. 336 00:23:03,210 --> 00:23:05,212 I'm just more mad that they, like, put my name out there 337 00:23:05,343 --> 00:23:08,259 because I think, Kevin said, your whole name was out there too. 338 00:23:08,389 --> 00:23:11,044 TAYLOR: Oh, yeah. My name, CTech. My hometown. 339 00:23:11,175 --> 00:23:12,219 Like everything. 340 00:23:12,350 --> 00:23:13,916 JULIA: Yeah, my hometown was there, too. 341 00:23:14,047 --> 00:23:16,136 It's like they're slowly doxxing us. 342 00:23:18,704 --> 00:23:20,575 JULIA: A lot of people will like doxx other people, 343 00:23:20,706 --> 00:23:23,012 so they'll share like their private information, 344 00:23:23,143 --> 00:23:25,363 their address, their credit card information, 345 00:23:25,493 --> 00:23:27,930 their phone number, locations of family members. 346 00:23:31,978 --> 00:23:34,415 There is this mob mentality. 347 00:23:34,546 --> 00:23:36,374 Thousands of people at one time 348 00:23:36,504 --> 00:23:39,768 can just be focused on harassing a single person. 349 00:23:43,946 --> 00:23:45,992 JULIA: For me, it was probably like Mike or Alex, 350 00:23:46,123 --> 00:23:47,689 if it was someone from our floor. 351 00:23:47,820 --> 00:23:49,517 TAYLOR: Yeah, I thought... 352 00:23:49,648 --> 00:23:51,563 JULIA: You had problems with Alex right? Like serious problems? 353 00:23:51,737 --> 00:23:53,565 TAYLOR: Oh, no, I definitely had problems with Alex. 354 00:23:53,695 --> 00:23:55,784 I don't know if... at the end of, like, freshman year, 355 00:23:55,915 --> 00:23:56,959 he basically just like... 356 00:23:58,004 --> 00:24:01,094 went off on me and then has been trying to contact me since. 357 00:24:01,399 --> 00:24:03,923 JULIA: Well, last I heard of him, he wasn't doing too hot. 358 00:24:04,532 --> 00:24:07,753 TAYLOR: Mike was so quiet like freshman year and not... 359 00:24:07,883 --> 00:24:10,364 JULIA: Yeah well I was like friends with him for really like, 360 00:24:10,495 --> 00:24:12,714 two years and I had no problems with him. 361 00:24:12,845 --> 00:24:14,151 And then all of a sudden... 362 00:24:14,281 --> 00:24:15,717 TAYLOR: I - Same thing. 363 00:24:15,848 --> 00:24:17,806 JULIA: He even deleted me off of, like, video games. 364 00:24:17,937 --> 00:24:21,027 Like, off my video game, friend list. He was just done. 365 00:24:21,158 --> 00:24:23,116 TAYLOR: He like, did not... JULIA: Why is everyone going insane? 366 00:24:23,247 --> 00:24:24,944 TAYLOR: I don'’t know! What is it about - 367 00:24:25,074 --> 00:24:26,511 JULIA: That's three now. 368 00:24:26,815 --> 00:24:29,514 TAYLOR: Wait, who else went insane? Mike, Alex... Yeah, Bobby. 369 00:24:29,644 --> 00:24:31,646 Holy shit, what happened to Bobby? 370 00:24:31,907 --> 00:24:35,433 I assume you've seen the things he's saying to girls now on Twitter. 371 00:24:35,607 --> 00:24:38,349 TAYLOR: Oh, my God. I opened his Twitter when I was at work 372 00:24:38,479 --> 00:24:40,046 and then I was like, oh my God, I feel like 373 00:24:40,177 --> 00:24:42,309 I shouldn't be looking at this on like company Wi-Fi. 374 00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:44,311 It's just really weird. I don't know. 375 00:24:44,442 --> 00:24:46,139 Bobby was quiet, too. It's all the quiet ones. 376 00:24:46,270 --> 00:24:49,186 Yeah. Engineering is going to do it to you. 377 00:24:51,710 --> 00:24:56,671 [energetic music playing] 378 00:25:03,548 --> 00:25:05,811 MAN: What'’s good, bro? 379 00:25:06,812 --> 00:25:10,207 [professor lecturing] 380 00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:16,387 TAYLOR: Julia and I actually both lived 381 00:25:16,517 --> 00:25:18,476 on the engineering floor together in college. 382 00:25:21,043 --> 00:25:25,091 I lived with seven other guys in our dorm freshman year. 383 00:25:25,961 --> 00:25:30,836 We weren't like stereotypical college kids. 384 00:25:30,966 --> 00:25:32,751 You know how on like college floors 385 00:25:32,881 --> 00:25:35,319 they always have like a bag of condoms? 386 00:25:36,450 --> 00:25:38,496 Well, we got ours taken away from us 387 00:25:38,626 --> 00:25:41,063 because we were throwing them like ninja stars. 388 00:25:41,542 --> 00:25:43,631 MAN: You messed up. You'’re a failure at life. 389 00:25:44,110 --> 00:25:47,505 JULIA: The engineering floor was one of the less party places, 390 00:25:47,635 --> 00:25:48,941 believe it or not. 391 00:25:51,030 --> 00:25:52,336 TAYLOR: In my class, 392 00:25:52,684 --> 00:25:55,904 there were probably two women to roughly 50 men. 393 00:25:56,470 --> 00:25:57,819 MAN: She'’s so much hotter than you. 394 00:25:57,950 --> 00:25:59,473 You could have got with Mackenzie 395 00:25:59,604 --> 00:26:01,214 and grind up all on that ass. 396 00:26:02,998 --> 00:26:05,740 TAYLOR: There have been guys in my class who have acted 397 00:26:05,871 --> 00:26:07,655 very creepy towards me. 398 00:26:08,656 --> 00:26:11,790 People would like, heckle me at meetings. 399 00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,314 [male voices] 400 00:26:15,272 --> 00:26:17,839 TAYLOR: There was a lot more jokes about porn. 401 00:26:17,970 --> 00:26:20,407 There was a lot more jokes about women. 402 00:26:20,755 --> 00:26:23,976 That was just more generally accepted. 403 00:26:24,106 --> 00:26:25,760 [male voices yelling] 404 00:26:25,934 --> 00:26:28,589 JULIA: As a woman you're just kind of like expected 405 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,897 to take this harassment because this is just how the world is. 406 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,959 TAYLOR: So we whittled down the suspects to two people 407 00:26:51,090 --> 00:26:54,528 based on who we both knew, 408 00:26:54,659 --> 00:26:57,966 and also who would know about this technology 409 00:26:58,097 --> 00:27:00,273 and this application of this technology. 410 00:27:01,796 --> 00:27:03,798 [dramatic music playing] 411 00:27:10,631 --> 00:27:12,590 TAYLOR: There was a guy freshman year 412 00:27:12,764 --> 00:27:16,376 who lived with me, Mike, who I was really close to, 413 00:27:18,422 --> 00:27:21,599 but we hadn't spoken in about a year. 414 00:27:24,123 --> 00:27:25,820 We always made the joke that like, 415 00:27:25,951 --> 00:27:28,432 Mike and I like made one full engineer 416 00:27:28,562 --> 00:27:30,434 because he was like a software guy, 417 00:27:30,564 --> 00:27:32,566 I was a hardware person and we were like, 418 00:27:32,697 --> 00:27:35,264 OK, together we have like one full brain. 419 00:27:38,050 --> 00:27:41,923 TAYLOR: He was like the most adorable person. 420 00:27:42,359 --> 00:27:44,317 You know, he made me laugh. 421 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,712 And he really made me feel like at home at college. 422 00:27:50,454 --> 00:27:53,152 JULIA: I have a lot of fond memories of hanging out with him. 423 00:27:53,326 --> 00:27:55,241 I would like let him lay his head in my lap 424 00:27:55,372 --> 00:27:58,418 just because like we were just very close friends. 425 00:27:58,636 --> 00:28:00,246 [laughter] 426 00:28:00,377 --> 00:28:01,595 I don'’t know... 427 00:28:02,901 --> 00:28:05,860 It kind of stinks how everything went down. 428 00:28:08,472 --> 00:28:11,300 TAYLOR: It was just a really good friendship until it wasn't. 429 00:28:15,653 --> 00:28:18,569 He basically tried to make me his personal therapist, 430 00:28:18,699 --> 00:28:20,788 and I just couldn't handle it anymore. 431 00:28:21,049 --> 00:28:23,095 JULIA: Yeah, that's what happened with me, too. 432 00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:27,186 TAYLOR: And what's weird is he didn't do that to any of the guys. 433 00:28:27,360 --> 00:28:31,451 JULIA: Yeah, and I was having a lot of issues on my own at the same time 434 00:28:31,582 --> 00:28:34,498 And he, like, never wanted to listen to what was going on with me. 435 00:28:34,628 --> 00:28:36,282 He just wanted to talk about his issues. 436 00:28:36,413 --> 00:28:39,720 TAYLOR: Yeah, he did he did the same - 437 00:28:39,851 --> 00:28:40,895 same thing to me. 438 00:28:48,163 --> 00:28:50,775 TAYLOR: OK, so I'm on campus right now. 439 00:28:50,949 --> 00:28:53,995 I guess it's been a while since I've done a video diary. 440 00:28:55,997 --> 00:28:57,782 Grad school's nuts. 441 00:28:58,217 --> 00:29:01,002 Engineering school is a rough time. 442 00:29:02,351 --> 00:29:05,137 [birds chirping] 443 00:29:06,965 --> 00:29:08,488 TAYLOR: Being back on campus, 444 00:29:08,619 --> 00:29:09,924 I've noticed that I'm a little 445 00:29:10,055 --> 00:29:11,665 bit quieter than I used to be. 446 00:29:11,970 --> 00:29:13,537 [footsteps on leaves] 447 00:29:13,798 --> 00:29:15,887 I just kind of keep to myself, 448 00:29:16,017 --> 00:29:18,759 mostly because I don't know who's seen the videos 449 00:29:18,890 --> 00:29:21,762 and I don't know who could potentially be involved in it. 450 00:29:22,676 --> 00:29:24,243 [footsteps] 451 00:29:27,376 --> 00:29:30,597 You know, there's this big secret in my life 452 00:29:30,728 --> 00:29:35,080 that I don't really feel comfortable telling people about. 453 00:29:36,168 --> 00:29:40,128 I think it's kind of caused me to become a bit more cut off 454 00:29:40,259 --> 00:29:42,087 from all of my friends. 455 00:29:44,393 --> 00:29:46,483 VIDEO GAME: Enemy spotted. 456 00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,226 JULIA: People are just like, "oh my God, gamer girls!" 457 00:29:51,357 --> 00:29:54,882 or half the time, they expect you to just be terrible because you're a girl. 458 00:29:56,754 --> 00:29:58,756 VIDEO GAME: One enemy remaining. 459 00:29:59,104 --> 00:30:01,715 JULIA: I would love to become a streamer. 460 00:30:02,673 --> 00:30:04,979 My dream would be to have a bunch of other girls 461 00:30:05,110 --> 00:30:07,242 that I stream with regularly. 462 00:30:07,982 --> 00:30:09,984 VIDEO GAME: Last player standing. 463 00:30:10,158 --> 00:30:14,336 JULIA: There's some games, you literally just open up your comms and say "Hi." 464 00:30:14,511 --> 00:30:16,643 They'll be like, "Fuck you, go kill yourself." 465 00:30:16,774 --> 00:30:19,690 "Oh, is that a girl? Like, go make me a sandwich." 466 00:30:19,820 --> 00:30:21,387 [gun shot] 467 00:30:22,127 --> 00:30:25,043 Oh, I just got head shot because I was adjusting my volume! 468 00:30:27,567 --> 00:30:31,615 So one of the people we thought could've been involved, Bobby, 469 00:30:31,745 --> 00:30:37,969 has been actually like posting images of my freshman year roommate. 470 00:30:39,666 --> 00:30:41,538 There's a specific picture he has, 471 00:30:41,668 --> 00:30:43,322 I think he took it off of her Facebook, 472 00:30:43,452 --> 00:30:45,237 of like her holding a bunny. 473 00:30:46,673 --> 00:30:50,503 And he just keeps posting that picture cropped in different ways 474 00:30:50,677 --> 00:30:54,681 and like he's been kind of creepy toward a lot of girls that we don't even know. 475 00:30:54,812 --> 00:30:58,816 But we've seen his Twitter activity... 476 00:30:58,946 --> 00:31:01,122 We don't really know what's going on with him. 477 00:31:02,689 --> 00:31:06,084 [moody music playing] 478 00:31:11,698 --> 00:31:14,353 TAYLOR: Bobby was displaying some really odd behavior 479 00:31:14,483 --> 00:31:17,965 at the time that Julia and I found out we were both targeted. 480 00:31:19,184 --> 00:31:23,057 Just so out of character from the person that we knew freshman year. 481 00:31:27,322 --> 00:31:31,239 JULIA: He was posting really, really long stories of like Hentai, 482 00:31:31,370 --> 00:31:35,287 which is like Japanese animated porn. 483 00:31:35,766 --> 00:31:39,944 And then stories where he's just running in the middle of the road at night 484 00:31:40,074 --> 00:31:42,468 or like he'll say he just got hit by a car. 485 00:31:43,817 --> 00:31:48,169 TAYLOR: He was posting almost cult-like things on his social media, 486 00:31:48,300 --> 00:31:52,870 making it seem like he was in some video game world. 487 00:31:55,307 --> 00:31:59,659 JULIA: Some sort of like apocalyptic god storyline. 488 00:32:04,882 --> 00:32:09,408 Talking about like "you mortals," and like talking down to humans. 489 00:32:14,369 --> 00:32:17,721 But he would mix it in with, like, talking about golden showers... 490 00:32:19,418 --> 00:32:24,945 On his regular Instagram and on Facebook, like things his family can see. 491 00:32:28,601 --> 00:32:30,168 TAYLOR: It was clear from his posts 492 00:32:30,298 --> 00:32:35,260 that he was very much in this like Internet culture. 493 00:32:35,390 --> 00:32:36,957 [footsteps] 494 00:32:38,306 --> 00:32:42,571 TAYLOR: If it is Bobby, the police need to do something about it. Now. 495 00:32:42,702 --> 00:32:44,356 JULIA: Yeah, he's unstable. 496 00:32:44,704 --> 00:32:48,012 [heavy breathing] 497 00:33:03,897 --> 00:33:05,856 [Taylor groans] 498 00:33:23,177 --> 00:33:28,748 TAYLOR: Hey, so I guess just an update of what's been going on recently. 499 00:33:28,879 --> 00:33:34,145 I spoke to a state police officer yesterday and... 500 00:33:35,624 --> 00:33:39,585 The problem is that they're... 501 00:33:39,716 --> 00:33:41,108 ...sorry... 502 00:33:44,633 --> 00:33:51,162 The problem is, whoever did this used a VPN for everything. 503 00:33:51,858 --> 00:33:54,643 So the state cop basically told me that 504 00:33:55,209 --> 00:33:57,516 they really can't figure out who did it- 505 00:33:57,646 --> 00:33:59,431 or not that they can't figure it out, 506 00:33:59,605 --> 00:34:02,521 but that they haven't been able to figure it out so far. 507 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,916 If this person really was smart enough 508 00:34:06,046 --> 00:34:08,048 to use a VPN for everything and didn't slip up 509 00:34:08,179 --> 00:34:12,139 and accidentally log in from their own IP address, 510 00:34:12,270 --> 00:34:13,662 Um... 511 00:34:13,837 --> 00:34:15,969 Then I'm not I'm not going to find out who did this, 512 00:34:16,100 --> 00:34:18,972 and I'll likely never know. 513 00:34:19,973 --> 00:34:20,887 Um... 514 00:34:21,670 --> 00:34:24,238 And at that point, the best thing that I could hope for is that 515 00:34:24,369 --> 00:34:27,067 the videos just get taken down and the person doesn't do this again. 516 00:34:27,241 --> 00:34:29,722 You know, I would love to have that story of like, 517 00:34:30,549 --> 00:34:33,421 you figure out who did it and you bring them to justice 518 00:34:33,552 --> 00:34:36,250 and you take them to court, and you make sure 519 00:34:36,381 --> 00:34:38,818 that they never are able to do this again. 520 00:34:38,949 --> 00:34:43,823 But sometimes it just doesn't work out like that, sometimes- 521 00:34:43,997 --> 00:34:46,304 sometimes the bad guys actually win. 522 00:34:50,961 --> 00:34:52,092 Yeah. 523 00:34:53,093 --> 00:34:54,225 Cool. 524 00:34:57,228 --> 00:35:00,622 I'm sorry this didn't really have a conclusion, but thanks. 525 00:35:06,672 --> 00:35:11,024 [ambient music playing] 526 00:35:22,862 --> 00:35:25,734 TAYLOR: So a new video was uploaded of me. 527 00:35:27,345 --> 00:35:29,173 It was really, really bad. 528 00:35:37,703 --> 00:35:39,270 I'm worried. 529 00:35:40,097 --> 00:35:42,360 Knowing that the perpetrator is still active... 530 00:35:43,100 --> 00:35:46,581 I'm worried that they're going to do something more drastic. 531 00:35:47,931 --> 00:35:50,890 I'm worried all the time. 532 00:35:53,371 --> 00:35:55,329 [fire roaring] 533 00:35:55,895 --> 00:35:59,420 I deal with a lot of anxiety and a lot of OCD. 534 00:35:59,551 --> 00:36:02,728 And the anxiety is really bad, especially now. 535 00:36:03,424 --> 00:36:06,732 With the deepfakes, I feel like I'm not in control anymore. 536 00:36:06,863 --> 00:36:09,648 And because I feel like I'm not in control 537 00:36:09,778 --> 00:36:11,911 in that one area of my life, 538 00:36:12,216 --> 00:36:16,046 it's causing me to feel out of control in other areas of my life. 539 00:36:17,786 --> 00:36:19,963 I should, let me say that again, 540 00:36:20,093 --> 00:36:22,922 because I think it's important for people to know. 541 00:36:25,185 --> 00:36:27,884 I have always worried about things that don't make sense. 542 00:36:28,014 --> 00:36:29,581 [wind gusting] 543 00:36:29,711 --> 00:36:33,977 I feel the compulsion to like, know how others perceive me 544 00:36:34,151 --> 00:36:36,718 and I need that to be in a positive way. 545 00:36:36,849 --> 00:36:39,939 That's just how my brain works, is like... I'm a people pleaser. 546 00:36:40,070 --> 00:36:41,375 I need... I want... 547 00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:43,725 I never want people to perceive me in a way 548 00:36:43,856 --> 00:36:46,815 that's not like professional and not good. 549 00:36:47,251 --> 00:36:51,951 And I feel like what these videos did is just like, destroy that. 550 00:36:53,300 --> 00:36:58,915 My OCD generally manifests itself into, like... I... 551 00:36:59,045 --> 00:37:00,394 I check things a lot. 552 00:37:00,873 --> 00:37:05,269 I check... I check to see if, like, the door is locked. 553 00:37:05,399 --> 00:37:06,879 I check to see if my car is locked. 554 00:37:07,010 --> 00:37:08,228 I check that things are off... 555 00:37:08,402 --> 00:37:09,360 Um... 556 00:37:09,490 --> 00:37:11,536 and I - I repeatedly check them. 557 00:37:12,841 --> 00:37:13,886 And it's... it's... 558 00:37:14,017 --> 00:37:15,670 It's kind of like a broken record. 559 00:37:15,801 --> 00:37:16,933 [water gushing] 560 00:37:17,063 --> 00:37:17,934 [fire roaring] 561 00:37:18,064 --> 00:37:19,718 [objects crashing] 562 00:37:20,937 --> 00:37:27,204 It just can get like, all consuming, where I will worry for hours. 563 00:37:27,334 --> 00:37:31,382 about something I've said, or worry for hours about if something's locked. 564 00:37:31,556 --> 00:37:34,211 or if something's going to catch fire or something like, 565 00:37:34,515 --> 00:37:38,955 you know, little things that just will consume my mind. 566 00:37:39,868 --> 00:37:41,174 [objects crashing] 567 00:37:42,610 --> 00:37:45,178 [ambient music playing] 568 00:37:48,921 --> 00:37:50,836 So, I'm just... I'm angry. 569 00:37:53,578 --> 00:37:56,973 I am done sitting around and waiting. 570 00:38:00,628 --> 00:38:04,589 You can't just do this and then move on with your life 571 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,636 and prevent me from moving on with my life. 572 00:38:10,725 --> 00:38:14,381 [ambient music playing] 573 00:38:35,533 --> 00:38:36,403 TAYLOR: How are you? 574 00:38:36,534 --> 00:38:37,839 JULIA: Am I rotated? 575 00:38:38,014 --> 00:38:39,450 TAYLOR: Yeah. 576 00:38:39,580 --> 00:38:41,582 JULIA: One second. Sorry. I have the rotate lock on. 577 00:38:42,757 --> 00:38:44,150 OK. Yeah, there we go. 578 00:38:45,021 --> 00:38:47,371 TAYLOR: I spoke to a lawyer the other day 579 00:38:47,501 --> 00:38:50,156 and he told me to get screenshots of anything 580 00:38:50,287 --> 00:38:52,202 that looks like evidence. 581 00:38:52,376 --> 00:38:53,420 JULIA: Mhm... 582 00:38:53,551 --> 00:38:55,770 TAYLOR: I've never been on 4chan before, 583 00:38:55,901 --> 00:38:59,339 so I would not know what to look at or how to search it. 584 00:38:59,818 --> 00:39:03,561 Kevin, do you remember what the 4chan archive was that we used? 585 00:39:06,433 --> 00:39:08,566 JULIA: It's just called 4chan search dot com. 586 00:39:26,366 --> 00:39:27,541 TAYLOR: Oh, gosh. 587 00:39:27,672 --> 00:39:29,891 Oh, no. That's not what I meant to search. 588 00:39:33,504 --> 00:39:34,809 What the fuck? 589 00:39:36,811 --> 00:39:40,815 So it looks like what this thread is, is people editing... 590 00:39:42,121 --> 00:39:43,992 ...cum onto people's faces. 591 00:39:45,516 --> 00:39:46,734 That's a new one. 592 00:39:54,829 --> 00:39:57,919 TAYLOR: Oh God, I do not enjoy searching for this kind of stuff. 593 00:39:58,311 --> 00:39:59,443 JULIA: Yeah... 594 00:39:59,573 --> 00:40:01,184 This is not pleasant. 595 00:40:09,627 --> 00:40:12,412 TAYLOR: That's the thing with trying to do this type of stuff, 596 00:40:12,543 --> 00:40:14,240 you come across stuff that you don't... 597 00:40:14,371 --> 00:40:15,807 JULIA: Wait... 598 00:40:16,068 --> 00:40:17,983 I found it. 599 00:40:18,201 --> 00:40:19,854 TAYLOR: Like the picture? 600 00:40:20,072 --> 00:40:21,856 JULIA: Like the deepfake. 601 00:40:25,469 --> 00:40:28,385 Have you ever heard Mike or Bobby use the word chick? 602 00:40:30,082 --> 00:40:31,431 TAYLOR: No, never. 603 00:40:34,217 --> 00:40:36,697 Someone asked where do you find the footage to do these? 604 00:40:36,828 --> 00:40:39,613 Then someone said, just scrape their Facebook and Instagram, 605 00:40:39,744 --> 00:40:41,006 you need like 150 images. 606 00:40:41,137 --> 00:40:43,051 JULIA: Yeah, I saw that. 607 00:40:43,313 --> 00:40:44,618 I'll take screenshots of that. 608 00:40:44,749 --> 00:40:45,706 JULIA: OK. 609 00:40:47,143 --> 00:40:50,711 Further down in the thread of my deepfake 610 00:40:50,842 --> 00:40:54,106 is the same like video that like my face is on. 611 00:40:54,237 --> 00:40:57,196 The name of the file is called Sadie. 612 00:40:58,502 --> 00:41:00,330 Which was one of Mike's friends. 613 00:41:00,808 --> 00:41:02,070 But I don't remember... 614 00:41:02,375 --> 00:41:03,594 TAYLOR: Oh, that girl. 615 00:41:03,724 --> 00:41:05,770 Yeah, I know who you're talking about. 616 00:41:05,944 --> 00:41:10,122 I don't know if I'd be able to say definitively if it's Sadie or not. 617 00:41:10,731 --> 00:41:13,517 My boyfriend just showed me a picture of Sadie's face 618 00:41:13,647 --> 00:41:16,868 for comparison, which I thought she had lighter hair, 619 00:41:16,998 --> 00:41:20,001 so that could actually be her. 620 00:41:20,132 --> 00:41:24,180 JULIA: There seems to be like a request from "Krelish." 621 00:41:24,484 --> 00:41:26,965 Like, this person actually has like a username. 622 00:41:29,968 --> 00:41:33,798 TAYLOR: It says "Hi you horny anons. 623 00:41:33,928 --> 00:41:36,757 Krelish is here with a new cumshop request thread, 624 00:41:36,888 --> 00:41:38,846 in exchange I want some of you anons 625 00:41:38,977 --> 00:41:41,371 to fake girls of mine." 626 00:41:46,245 --> 00:41:49,901 TAYLOR: Wait. I know her. Yeah, I know her. 627 00:41:50,031 --> 00:41:50,989 JULIA: Who? 628 00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:52,686 TAYLOR: She went to our school. 629 00:41:55,036 --> 00:41:57,648 So I should probably send her a message. 630 00:41:59,302 --> 00:42:00,781 JULIA: I found Vanessa. TAYLOR: Where? 631 00:42:00,999 --> 00:42:03,349 JULIA: Here. Let me share. TAYLOR: Where's Vanessa? 632 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,786 JULIA: See look, this is definitely her. 633 00:42:05,917 --> 00:42:07,397 TAYLOR: That's for sure Vanessa. 634 00:42:07,527 --> 00:42:08,876 JULIA: And there's Nina. 635 00:42:09,007 --> 00:42:12,053 TAYLOR: Oh, God. Which one was she? 636 00:42:12,184 --> 00:42:14,230 Wait, there's a second one of Nina. 637 00:42:14,404 --> 00:42:15,361 Further down. 638 00:42:15,492 --> 00:42:17,145 Am I showing my screen? 639 00:42:17,276 --> 00:42:18,756 TAYLOR: Yeah. 640 00:42:18,886 --> 00:42:21,976 JULIA: Is it possible that this Krelish is his username? 641 00:42:22,107 --> 00:42:24,675 Because it seems like he's posting most of these pictures. 642 00:42:27,547 --> 00:42:28,940 There's three pictures of Nina. 643 00:42:29,070 --> 00:42:30,158 This one's Nina too. 644 00:42:30,289 --> 00:42:32,465 [computer error sound] 645 00:42:32,596 --> 00:42:34,554 Oh, my God. What is this sound? 646 00:42:34,859 --> 00:42:37,165 TAYLOR: Oh, my God. That's Sadie. That's Sadie. 647 00:42:37,296 --> 00:42:38,950 That's... that's Mike's friend. 648 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:39,907 JULIA: Where? Where? 649 00:42:40,038 --> 00:42:41,431 TAYLOR: Go - It's Krelish. 650 00:42:41,561 --> 00:42:43,607 Go down, about halfway down the page. 651 00:42:43,781 --> 00:42:45,478 That's her. That is - That's her. 652 00:42:46,566 --> 00:42:49,134 JULIA: Can you like... TAYLOR: And that's her again. 653 00:42:49,569 --> 00:42:51,571 JULIA: It's definitely him then. There's no way. 654 00:42:52,572 --> 00:42:53,704 TAYLOR: Oh my God. 655 00:42:56,446 --> 00:42:58,012 [sighs] 656 00:43:01,668 --> 00:43:06,369 [overwhelming music playing] 657 00:43:20,296 --> 00:43:23,429 JULIA: Mike was the only person that knew Sadie, 658 00:43:23,603 --> 00:43:25,736 and the other women posted in this thread. 659 00:43:25,866 --> 00:43:29,522 [dramatic music playing] 660 00:43:29,653 --> 00:43:32,177 TAYLOR: Mike had a pretty similar relationship with them 661 00:43:32,308 --> 00:43:34,614 as he had with me and Julia, 662 00:43:34,745 --> 00:43:38,096 which is like really being dependent on them 663 00:43:38,226 --> 00:43:40,011 for emotional support. 664 00:43:42,143 --> 00:43:45,973 JULIA: Mike expected for me to drop everything at a moment's notice. 665 00:43:46,104 --> 00:43:48,715 If I was studying for a test or doing an assignment, 666 00:43:48,846 --> 00:43:51,892 he would still expect that you know I would be on demand. 667 00:43:55,809 --> 00:44:00,205 Maybe he felt like he was entitled to all the attention 668 00:44:00,336 --> 00:44:03,469 and all of the support that he wanted from us. 669 00:44:06,254 --> 00:44:08,866 And when we set boundaries for ourselves, 670 00:44:09,083 --> 00:44:12,217 I think that's what... what made him vengeful. 671 00:44:21,618 --> 00:44:23,924 TAYLOR: The fact that the group of women is this big, 672 00:44:24,055 --> 00:44:26,666 it scares me, because I just I have a gut feeling that... 673 00:44:26,797 --> 00:44:28,929 we haven't even found all of them. 674 00:44:41,768 --> 00:44:43,161 JULIA: Oh damn. 675 00:44:43,291 --> 00:44:46,512 This is so fucking creepy. And this was in 2018. 676 00:44:52,866 --> 00:44:54,912 This is literally a picture I took... 677 00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:57,480 ...with Mike. 678 00:44:58,394 --> 00:45:02,180 I remember like we made mimosas for his birthday freshman year, 679 00:45:02,354 --> 00:45:04,878 and like, because he wasn't doing anything and I wanted to cheer him up, 680 00:45:05,009 --> 00:45:07,881 So we, we had mimosas, like, in my room. 681 00:45:08,012 --> 00:45:09,666 And, like, that picture's on here. 682 00:45:09,796 --> 00:45:12,582 That's so fucked up. That's, like, so fucked up. 683 00:45:27,597 --> 00:45:32,036 TAYLOR: What - I'm sorry, excuse my language, but this was 2019, 684 00:45:32,210 --> 00:45:33,864 what the fuck? 685 00:45:36,083 --> 00:45:38,869 That's weird. This is... 686 00:45:39,739 --> 00:45:42,263 Is that more recent than anything else? 687 00:45:42,394 --> 00:45:44,440 TAYLOR: No. That's like a year before anything else. 688 00:45:44,570 --> 00:45:49,096 That's a year before any of the other deepfakes were made. 689 00:45:49,749 --> 00:45:52,317 TAYLOR: This was probably like, right after our falling out, 690 00:45:52,448 --> 00:45:55,712 like, right after we had our big fight. 691 00:45:55,842 --> 00:45:57,148 Yeah. 692 00:45:57,322 --> 00:45:59,237 TAYLOR: Hold on. Just give me one second. 693 00:45:59,411 --> 00:46:00,978 [web cam switches off] 694 00:46:06,026 --> 00:46:06,897 TAYLOR: 695 00:46:07,027 --> 00:46:08,072 JAMIE: 696 00:46:12,119 --> 00:46:13,860 TAYLOR: 697 00:46:13,991 --> 00:46:15,993 JAMIE: 698 00:46:16,123 --> 00:46:17,951 TAYLOR: 699 00:46:21,651 --> 00:46:23,000 JAMIE: 700 00:46:23,130 --> 00:46:24,828 TAYLOR: 701 00:46:24,958 --> 00:46:26,786 JAMIE: 702 00:46:27,004 --> 00:46:28,309 I'm... 703 00:46:30,964 --> 00:46:33,576 No, but... Like it's fucked up. 704 00:46:33,967 --> 00:46:36,579 Like, we shared a bathroom Jamie, we shared a bathroom 705 00:46:36,709 --> 00:46:38,537 when he was doing this. 706 00:46:38,929 --> 00:46:41,235 He could have, like, I don't know what else he has. 707 00:46:41,366 --> 00:46:43,150 Like, I was taking showers and he was like, 708 00:46:43,281 --> 00:46:44,543 you know, 20 feet away. 709 00:46:46,284 --> 00:46:47,851 It's fucked. It's like, super fucked. 710 00:46:56,555 --> 00:46:59,079 OK. What am I reverse image searching? 711 00:47:07,044 --> 00:47:08,611 This one is of, of me. 712 00:47:09,481 --> 00:47:13,354 My face. I recognize the picture from my... 713 00:47:14,138 --> 00:47:16,053 I don't know, I think it was on Facebook. 714 00:47:16,183 --> 00:47:18,098 I think it was on my Facebook profile. 715 00:47:18,446 --> 00:47:21,275 And yeah, this one was made... 716 00:47:22,668 --> 00:47:25,541 ...right around the time that Mike and I had a falling out. 717 00:47:28,326 --> 00:47:29,893 So, it's clear to me now that 718 00:47:30,023 --> 00:47:31,459 he was doing all of this 719 00:47:31,590 --> 00:47:33,636 while we were very close friends. 720 00:47:33,853 --> 00:47:36,682 So, you know, at times when I would have considered him 721 00:47:36,813 --> 00:47:37,901 one of my best friends. 722 00:47:48,694 --> 00:47:52,393 [somber music playing] 723 00:47:54,178 --> 00:47:58,356 TAYLOR: Junior year, we lived together again. 724 00:48:00,663 --> 00:48:02,882 And he really started to like, 725 00:48:03,013 --> 00:48:05,450 I think, lean on me more and more and more. 726 00:48:08,235 --> 00:48:10,498 I would be in my room with my door closed. 727 00:48:10,673 --> 00:48:12,370 And like, every time I would hear like, 728 00:48:12,500 --> 00:48:15,373 a very, like, faint knocking on the door, 729 00:48:15,503 --> 00:48:17,941 I knew it was him needing to talk. 730 00:48:21,858 --> 00:48:24,338 It got to the point where it was like, 731 00:48:24,730 --> 00:48:26,689 I couldn't take on all of the things 732 00:48:26,819 --> 00:48:28,560 that were going on in his life. 733 00:48:31,911 --> 00:48:34,392 And that's where it started to go downhill was when I - 734 00:48:34,522 --> 00:48:36,089 I kind of put a boundary there. 735 00:48:41,704 --> 00:48:44,228 TAYLOR: One afternoon after class, 736 00:48:44,358 --> 00:48:47,231 Mike had turned to me to say, like, can we talk later? 737 00:48:49,842 --> 00:48:51,757 Something in me just like snapped, 738 00:48:51,888 --> 00:48:54,804 and I, yeah, I just couldn't. I just lost it. 739 00:49:07,338 --> 00:49:11,559 He kind of like shrunk a little bit, he kind of got quiet. 740 00:49:15,389 --> 00:49:19,567 And we like didn't really speak after that. 741 00:49:22,788 --> 00:49:25,878 That's how it was for the rest of the time that we lived together. 742 00:49:26,444 --> 00:49:29,621 [somber music playing] 743 00:49:31,057 --> 00:49:36,410 I think that Mike saw any slight as a really deep betrayal. 744 00:49:39,413 --> 00:49:41,851 I don't know if he thinks he's wrong in this. 745 00:49:41,981 --> 00:49:45,202 I don't know if he feels that he is, like, a perpetrator in this. 746 00:49:46,551 --> 00:49:51,338 I believe that in his mind he's getting back at us for, 747 00:49:51,469 --> 00:49:52,992 you know, wronging him. 748 00:50:15,754 --> 00:50:18,931 JULIA: Just googling Krelish and I already have stuff coming up. 749 00:50:19,192 --> 00:50:22,761 TAYLOR: Yeah, it looks like he used to have a profile on... 750 00:50:22,979 --> 00:50:25,633 something called MrDeepFakes.com. 751 00:50:38,168 --> 00:50:41,258 TAYLOR: I searched the username... 752 00:50:44,087 --> 00:50:47,568 There's this one girl who's like on here a lot for some reason. 753 00:50:48,744 --> 00:50:50,789 I don't recognize her. 754 00:50:51,834 --> 00:50:54,575 JULIA: Yeah. Her name was also in the thread with my deepfake, 755 00:50:54,706 --> 00:50:55,881 I'm pretty sure... 756 00:50:58,579 --> 00:51:00,407 Oh, she's an ASMR YouTuber. 757 00:51:00,886 --> 00:51:04,063 She has 4.5 million subscribers. 758 00:51:20,558 --> 00:51:22,690 TAYLOR: This looks like... 759 00:51:22,821 --> 00:51:26,564 basically an instruction set on how to create deepfakes. 760 00:51:40,447 --> 00:51:44,147 It says he has like 1.6 million views. Like, that's wild. 761 00:51:44,277 --> 00:51:48,107 Like who... And it says... But he only joined a year ago. 762 00:51:50,109 --> 00:51:52,808 TAYLOR: It says he posted 132 videos. 763 00:51:52,938 --> 00:51:54,070 That's fucking insane. 764 00:51:55,027 --> 00:51:57,813 Clearly this was like what he did in his free time. 765 00:51:59,031 --> 00:52:00,728 Someone that like... 766 00:52:00,990 --> 00:52:05,298 ...knew me on a very, very, very personal level. 767 00:52:05,429 --> 00:52:08,649 It's hard to believe that, like, he... 768 00:52:08,911 --> 00:52:14,830 he has this complete other world that none of us knew about. 769 00:52:19,356 --> 00:52:23,403 [intense music playing] 770 00:52:27,712 --> 00:52:30,367 VOICES: This isn't just some sort of hobby anymore. 771 00:52:30,497 --> 00:52:33,326 This is a potentially lucrative business. 772 00:52:34,327 --> 00:52:37,635 Now you can do it by handing someone a few bucks over the Internet, 773 00:52:37,853 --> 00:52:40,856 and they'll make one for you with a video of your target, 774 00:52:40,986 --> 00:52:42,596 the length of an Instagram story. 775 00:52:44,816 --> 00:52:50,039 There are 9,500 sites that specialize in non-consensual intimate imagery. 776 00:52:51,518 --> 00:52:54,521 That is an exponential growth. 777 00:52:57,698 --> 00:53:02,138 This is not a phenomenon of weirdos, perverts or oddballs. 778 00:53:02,268 --> 00:53:05,706 There's simply too many of them. 779 00:53:05,837 --> 00:53:08,622 It is everyday people. 780 00:53:09,232 --> 00:53:13,323 It's a professor. It's a politician. 781 00:53:15,368 --> 00:53:18,589 It's the mayor of a small town in Denmark. 782 00:53:18,719 --> 00:53:24,116 I mean, these are the people who've gotten caught in countries around the world. 783 00:53:24,464 --> 00:53:26,902 The biggest deepfake porn website that I'm aware of, 784 00:53:27,032 --> 00:53:29,165 is averaging about 14 millions hits a month. 785 00:53:31,689 --> 00:53:35,954 There is no woman in the world who is safe from this technology. 786 00:53:45,833 --> 00:53:46,834 TAYLOR: How's it going? 787 00:53:46,965 --> 00:53:47,966 Good, how are you? 788 00:53:49,098 --> 00:53:53,580 TAYLOR: So I got, like, a bunch of, like, evidence, 789 00:53:53,711 --> 00:53:55,669 and people that we might know. 790 00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,672 I can, like, for sure send it to you if you'd like. 791 00:53:58,890 --> 00:53:59,760 JULIA: Mhm. 792 00:53:59,891 --> 00:54:01,240 But I think we're up to, like... 793 00:54:01,371 --> 00:54:02,589 God, probably like... 794 00:54:03,721 --> 00:54:05,505 [hesitates] five girls? 795 00:54:05,636 --> 00:54:06,419 Five or six? 796 00:54:06,550 --> 00:54:07,377 JULIA: Yeah. 797 00:54:07,507 --> 00:54:08,682 TAYLOR: One... Two... 798 00:54:09,857 --> 00:54:10,815 Six. 799 00:54:11,424 --> 00:54:13,035 Yeah, you can send it to me. 800 00:54:13,165 --> 00:54:14,297 TAYLOR: OK. 801 00:54:14,558 --> 00:54:16,647 See if I recognize anyone. 802 00:54:16,777 --> 00:54:18,257 So many penises as well. 803 00:54:18,388 --> 00:54:20,346 [laughs] 804 00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,435 The physics of it doesn't even make sense. 805 00:54:22,566 --> 00:54:26,962 [laughing] 806 00:54:27,092 --> 00:54:28,354 Looking forward to it. 807 00:54:28,485 --> 00:54:29,312 [laughing] 808 00:54:29,442 --> 00:54:30,791 I'll get a nice glass of wine. 809 00:54:30,922 --> 00:54:32,097 TAYLOR: Yeah, get like a... 810 00:54:33,577 --> 00:54:35,187 Mike really had some time on his hands. 811 00:54:35,318 --> 00:54:38,060 Yeah. Very concerned about his classes as I'm remembering. 812 00:54:38,190 --> 00:54:40,366 Clearly he was doing several other things. 813 00:54:40,497 --> 00:54:41,541 I know. 814 00:54:47,591 --> 00:54:50,507 [intense music playing] 815 00:54:56,687 --> 00:54:59,995 [phone buzzing] 816 00:55:03,215 --> 00:55:06,392 [intense music playing] 817 00:55:09,613 --> 00:55:13,965 TAYLOR: I spoke to the police and I gave them Mike's name... 818 00:55:14,705 --> 00:55:17,925 and they were able to speak to him on the phone. 819 00:55:21,146 --> 00:55:25,237 They told me that he never admitted doing it, 820 00:55:25,368 --> 00:55:27,500 but that he also never denied it. 821 00:55:30,460 --> 00:55:33,985 The cop, he kind of like detailed his conversation with Mike 822 00:55:34,116 --> 00:55:37,597 and he said, "“Listen," you know, "We both know that 823 00:55:37,902 --> 00:55:40,426 there's really nothing else that can be done about this, 824 00:55:40,557 --> 00:55:43,603 but we need to understand this isn't going to happen again, right?" 825 00:55:43,734 --> 00:55:46,432 and Mike'’s like, "“No, it's not going to happen again."” 826 00:55:47,955 --> 00:55:51,872 [intense music playing] 827 00:55:52,003 --> 00:55:56,094 TAYLOR: They did say that he, like, thanked them at the end of the call 828 00:55:56,225 --> 00:55:58,531 for their handling of this. 829 00:56:02,057 --> 00:56:05,451 And then, they told me they had closed the case. 830 00:56:11,892 --> 00:56:13,938 [intense music playing] 831 00:56:29,084 --> 00:56:31,086 JAMIE: I mean, you could try messaging him. 832 00:56:31,216 --> 00:56:34,480 TAYLOR: Yeah, I could message him... JAMIE: See if he admits it. 833 00:56:34,611 --> 00:56:35,786 TAYLOR: I just like... 834 00:56:37,396 --> 00:56:38,789 There'’s no like... 835 00:56:39,137 --> 00:56:40,182 There'’s no... There'’s no... 836 00:56:40,443 --> 00:56:42,488 There is closure but there'’s no like... 837 00:56:43,837 --> 00:56:46,579 You know, like, I don'’t know if Andrew will kick him out of the group chat 838 00:56:46,753 --> 00:56:48,407 I don'’t know if... 839 00:56:49,278 --> 00:56:51,410 If he does, if that enough to get him to like, do it again? 840 00:56:51,541 --> 00:56:52,977 'cause like... 841 00:56:53,456 --> 00:56:56,459 Cutting him off from his friends might, you know... 842 00:56:57,721 --> 00:57:00,637 Be enough for him to like, hate me enough to do it again. 843 00:57:01,028 --> 00:57:02,856 I don'’t know what to do... 844 00:57:21,136 --> 00:57:23,616 TAYLOR: On my freshman moving day to CTech, 845 00:57:23,790 --> 00:57:26,532 I was terrified that I wasn't going to make any friends. 846 00:57:31,233 --> 00:57:32,843 I remember the night before, I was just like, 847 00:57:32,973 --> 00:57:35,411 I'm like not - I don't think I'm ready for tomorrow. 848 00:57:35,541 --> 00:57:36,934 Um... 849 00:57:37,064 --> 00:57:40,764 We got there. My parents, like, got me to my dorm. 850 00:57:40,938 --> 00:57:45,464 We, like, moved in and then, my parents were going to leave 851 00:57:45,638 --> 00:57:48,598 and I was like, I'm not ready for them to leave. 852 00:57:48,728 --> 00:57:51,731 And so they were like, we'll go get you... 853 00:57:52,210 --> 00:57:53,733 something you need from the store. 854 00:57:53,951 --> 00:57:57,650 And they did. And then they came back and I was like not. 855 00:57:57,781 --> 00:57:59,043 I'm sorry, I'm getting a... 856 00:57:59,174 --> 00:58:00,958 I was not ready for them to leave. 857 00:58:02,351 --> 00:58:04,222 Wow. I didn't think I'd cry on camera. 858 00:58:06,224 --> 00:58:08,008 I was not ready for them to leave. 859 00:58:08,139 --> 00:58:11,838 And then we sat down in our freshman hallway 860 00:58:12,448 --> 00:58:15,015 with all the people who became my best friends 861 00:58:15,146 --> 00:58:17,801 and started college. 862 00:58:17,931 --> 00:58:19,150 And it was really scary. 863 00:58:24,286 --> 00:58:26,810 I'm sor-- I really didn't think this was going to happen! 864 00:58:27,419 --> 00:58:28,420 [sighs] 865 00:58:30,814 --> 00:58:32,424 OK. I'm good. 866 00:58:34,687 --> 00:58:37,560 TAYLOR: It's really hard to, to think about 867 00:58:37,690 --> 00:58:41,259 because, you know, sitting in that hallway, 868 00:58:41,390 --> 00:58:44,523 when I was really upset and really just vulnerable, 869 00:58:44,654 --> 00:58:47,091 was Mike and Bobby. 870 00:58:47,222 --> 00:58:51,313 And they really became my home away from home. 871 00:58:51,574 --> 00:58:53,315 I trusted these people so much 872 00:58:53,445 --> 00:58:56,883 and I was so vulnerable to all of them because it was just, 873 00:58:57,014 --> 00:58:58,885 You know, I think we were all pretty vulnerable at that point. 874 00:58:59,016 --> 00:59:01,105 It was our first time away from home, 875 00:59:01,236 --> 00:59:02,541 Uh... 876 00:59:02,672 --> 00:59:04,978 and now it just, you know, that like innocence 877 00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:07,111 that we all had then is just gone. 878 00:59:10,462 --> 00:59:12,464 [moody music playing] 879 00:59:12,638 --> 00:59:18,296 [muffled male voices] 880 00:59:19,689 --> 00:59:22,518 TAYLOR: He's still friends with all of my friends and... 881 00:59:22,648 --> 00:59:26,696 it's tough because I can't really tell them about it. 882 00:59:26,826 --> 00:59:29,481 I tried telling one of them and he didn't really believe me, 883 00:59:29,612 --> 00:59:30,569 that it was him. 884 00:59:31,527 --> 00:59:34,051 TAYLOR: I'm trying not to blame him... 885 00:59:34,356 --> 00:59:36,358 because, like, he is just trying to keep the peace. 886 00:59:36,619 --> 00:59:39,361 [muffled male voices] 887 00:59:39,665 --> 00:59:41,580 Because the police didn't do anything, 888 00:59:41,711 --> 00:59:44,104 it feels like it's kind of my word against his. 889 00:59:45,149 --> 00:59:49,109 It just makes me nervous, you know, slandering him. 890 00:59:49,936 --> 00:59:51,808 I definitely worry that something would happen 891 00:59:51,938 --> 00:59:55,290 where people wouldn't like me, or people would turn against me. 892 00:59:55,420 --> 00:59:59,511 [muffled male voices] 893 00:59:59,816 --> 01:00:02,906 TAYLOR: It feels like I've had to deal with all of the consequences 894 01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,777 that he should have had to deal with. 895 01:00:05,082 --> 01:00:08,955 Like I've had to leave the friend group and he hasn't. 896 01:00:20,053 --> 01:00:21,751 ADAM: In a perfect world for someone to say, 897 01:00:21,881 --> 01:00:24,101 all right, we're going to get you whatever you want 898 01:00:24,231 --> 01:00:25,842 as far as an outcome for this, 899 01:00:25,972 --> 01:00:28,366 what would...what would that look like for you? 900 01:00:28,714 --> 01:00:31,456 Yeah, I don't know. It's a tough question because, like, 901 01:00:31,630 --> 01:00:34,154 you know, I think that that's kind of shifted in my mind now. 902 01:00:34,285 --> 01:00:35,852 I don't really know if there really is anything 903 01:00:35,982 --> 01:00:38,245 that can be done to make up for what happened so... 904 01:00:38,724 --> 01:00:41,205 I mean, you should be really proud of yourself, though. 905 01:00:41,336 --> 01:00:46,341 I mean, you got a lot further in the criminal justice process 906 01:00:46,471 --> 01:00:48,386 than most folks that I've worked with. 907 01:00:48,517 --> 01:00:50,780 So you must have really advocated hard for yourself. 908 01:00:50,954 --> 01:00:52,172 Yeah, thank you. 909 01:00:53,609 --> 01:00:55,045 TAYLOR: Here's the thing. I guess... 910 01:00:55,175 --> 01:00:56,351 here's my question is... Um... 911 01:00:57,830 --> 01:01:00,398 When talking about, like, what he did, 912 01:01:00,529 --> 01:01:03,183 am I able to say, based on my recollection, 913 01:01:03,314 --> 01:01:05,185 and on my hunch, I think he did it. 914 01:01:05,316 --> 01:01:08,145 Would that be like slanderous towards him in any way? 915 01:01:08,275 --> 01:01:12,192 Or am I am I supposed to just, like, not talk about it at all? 916 01:01:12,323 --> 01:01:13,759 OK, so I want you to know - 917 01:01:13,890 --> 01:01:15,718 what you're thinking and how you're feeling about this, 918 01:01:15,848 --> 01:01:17,023 very normal. 919 01:01:17,154 --> 01:01:18,764 And I get why you want to be careful. 920 01:01:18,895 --> 01:01:20,810 But you're the last person, 921 01:01:20,940 --> 01:01:23,378 of everybody involved in this so far, 922 01:01:23,508 --> 01:01:25,162 you're the last person who should be worried about 923 01:01:25,292 --> 01:01:27,686 doing something wrong or saying something wrong. 924 01:01:27,904 --> 01:01:29,514 And frankly, 925 01:01:29,645 --> 01:01:32,125 that is a form of silencing you. Right? 926 01:01:32,256 --> 01:01:33,257 Um... 927 01:01:33,388 --> 01:01:34,780 That is never OK. 928 01:01:40,569 --> 01:01:45,356 [suspenseful music playing] 929 01:02:23,089 --> 01:02:25,004 GIBI: Hello. 930 01:02:25,135 --> 01:02:26,223 [tapping] 931 01:02:26,353 --> 01:02:28,007 Look up. Look to the side. 932 01:02:28,138 --> 01:02:29,226 [liquid sounds] 933 01:02:29,356 --> 01:02:31,924 May I know your name? 934 01:02:32,098 --> 01:02:33,491 [clicking] 935 01:02:33,622 --> 01:02:35,319 I'm going to go ahead and map out your face here. 936 01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:36,668 [cutting] 937 01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:40,977 I could figure it out on my own, but... 938 01:02:41,107 --> 01:02:43,022 I wanted to ask permission. 939 01:02:45,851 --> 01:02:47,505 GIBI: Hello! TAYLOR: Hi, how's it going? 940 01:02:47,636 --> 01:02:49,725 GIBI: Good. How are you? 941 01:02:49,855 --> 01:02:51,117 TAYLOR: Good. 942 01:02:51,248 --> 01:02:52,641 Cool. It's so nice to meet you, I'm [bleep] 943 01:02:52,771 --> 01:02:53,772 GIBI: Nice to meet you. 944 01:02:53,903 --> 01:02:55,252 TAYLOR: Oh, t hat's my real name. 945 01:02:55,382 --> 01:02:57,733 GIBI: You can call me Gibi TAYLOR: I'm Taylor. 946 01:02:57,863 --> 01:02:59,430 So, yeah, I guess. 947 01:02:59,561 --> 01:03:02,302 I guess... I guess you were also... 948 01:03:02,564 --> 01:03:04,522 targeted by um... 949 01:03:04,740 --> 01:03:07,656 ...this kid that targeted me, which I'm so sorry that it happened to you. 950 01:03:07,786 --> 01:03:09,309 GIBI: Is it the same one? 951 01:03:09,440 --> 01:03:10,789 I know, I was like, sorry to meet under the circumstances. 952 01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:12,356 TAYLOR: Yeah... 953 01:03:12,487 --> 01:03:14,053 I'm happy to give you whatever information you want. 954 01:03:14,184 --> 01:03:15,490 Yeah, sure. Send it over. 955 01:03:15,620 --> 01:03:17,622 Here's the username. 956 01:03:17,753 --> 01:03:20,146 And then here's his actual name. 957 01:03:21,974 --> 01:03:25,500 So the account has 28 videos of you, Gibi, 958 01:03:25,630 --> 01:03:30,330 and it has 536,011 views in total. 959 01:03:30,461 --> 01:03:31,941 Holy shit. 960 01:03:32,071 --> 01:03:34,117 I mean it is interesting when you tell me the name 961 01:03:34,247 --> 01:03:36,380 of a person, like, instantly, I'm just like, oh. 962 01:03:36,946 --> 01:03:40,732 I would love to just put his face on the Internet and on Twitter 963 01:03:40,863 --> 01:03:42,995 and just be like... hello. 964 01:03:43,126 --> 01:03:44,954 I know. I feel that. 965 01:03:45,084 --> 01:03:50,437 But whenever there is some sort of stalker, creep, harassment situation... 966 01:03:51,438 --> 01:03:55,530 really the best professional advice that you can get 967 01:03:55,660 --> 01:03:56,966 is to just ignore them. 968 01:03:57,096 --> 01:03:58,837 And it's really frustrating 969 01:03:58,968 --> 01:04:00,752 that that is our best option. 970 01:04:00,883 --> 01:04:03,189 You have to ignore them and hope that they just go away 971 01:04:03,320 --> 01:04:05,757 and get bored and then go to harass another person, 972 01:04:06,453 --> 01:04:08,325 or maybe fall off a cliff conveniently or something. 973 01:04:08,455 --> 01:04:10,980 You know what I mean? It's like I just hope they go away. 974 01:04:11,110 --> 01:04:12,634 Like, that's literally all you can do. 975 01:04:12,895 --> 01:04:14,418 It is very satisfying to have a name. 976 01:04:14,636 --> 01:04:16,159 Yeah. 977 01:04:16,289 --> 01:04:18,814 I know so many people personally that this has happened to, 978 01:04:18,988 --> 01:04:22,557 but it's not being talked about for fear of safety, 979 01:04:22,687 --> 01:04:24,428 for fear of embarrassment, 980 01:04:24,559 --> 01:04:26,865 for fear of being misunderstood. 981 01:04:26,996 --> 01:04:29,346 So I think I'm very tired of ignoring it. 982 01:04:30,652 --> 01:04:32,654 [dramatic music playing] 983 01:04:34,656 --> 01:04:37,049 VOICES: There are very, very, very few people 984 01:04:37,180 --> 01:04:39,312 out there speaking out about this. 985 01:04:39,443 --> 01:04:43,839 Because that exposes that person to further abuse. 986 01:04:44,927 --> 01:04:50,889 And so that is weaponized in order to keep victims silent. 987 01:04:58,070 --> 01:05:00,725 The primary targets for this kind of abuse 988 01:05:00,856 --> 01:05:02,858 are women that have upset men in some way, 989 01:05:03,554 --> 01:05:05,904 w hether that's by being successful, by being powerful, 990 01:05:06,122 --> 01:05:08,559 by being unattainable, by being whatever it is. 991 01:05:11,693 --> 01:05:14,913 Whoever is targeted is driven offline. 992 01:05:18,003 --> 01:05:21,877 It's like the aperture of people's lives closes. 993 01:05:22,704 --> 01:05:25,794 The disciplinary effect of those deepfakes is: 994 01:05:26,011 --> 01:05:28,100 you shouldn't be successful, 995 01:05:28,535 --> 01:05:31,669 you shouldn't go into journalism, you shouldn't go into politics. 996 01:05:32,191 --> 01:05:34,629 That has a massive chilling effect. 997 01:05:50,819 --> 01:05:51,950 GIBI: Hi. 998 01:05:52,255 --> 01:05:55,040 Today I need to talk about something uncomfortable. 999 01:05:56,085 --> 01:06:00,176 There is a lot of porn of me on the internet. 1000 01:06:00,306 --> 01:06:04,136 My face has been digitally plastered countless times 1001 01:06:04,267 --> 01:06:06,138 over other people's naked bodies 1002 01:06:06,269 --> 01:06:08,967 to create sex content that I never consented to. 1003 01:06:09,228 --> 01:06:14,233 It has felt hopeless and honestly unsafe to ever speak out. 1004 01:06:14,494 --> 01:06:19,761 However, I am relieved to finally be talking about this with some support. 1005 01:06:20,065 --> 01:06:21,806 I was contacted by someone 1006 01:06:21,937 --> 01:06:24,896 who thinks she has actually discovered the identity 1007 01:06:25,027 --> 01:06:28,073 of a person who has created deepfakes of her. 1008 01:06:28,204 --> 01:06:33,513 But this same username also made a ton of videos of me, 1009 01:06:33,688 --> 01:06:36,386 and a dozen of my friends. 1010 01:06:37,909 --> 01:06:40,303 I now know his name, 1011 01:06:40,433 --> 01:06:42,784 where he lives and where he works, 1012 01:06:43,872 --> 01:06:49,355 and I am so ready to finally be able to pursue 1013 01:06:49,747 --> 01:06:51,923 whatever action I can 1014 01:06:52,054 --> 01:06:56,493 to find some semblance of justice 1015 01:06:56,623 --> 01:07:00,149 on behalf of all the people he has done this to. 1016 01:07:00,279 --> 01:07:02,934 I don't care if it's just one. 1017 01:07:03,108 --> 01:07:06,024 I want to let him know that I know. 1018 01:07:07,722 --> 01:07:10,072 If that resonates with you, 1019 01:07:10,202 --> 01:07:13,075 I really, really would like to hear from you. 1020 01:07:16,600 --> 01:07:20,735 [somber music playing] 1021 01:07:33,356 --> 01:07:35,097 FEMALE VOICES: I Googled my name. 1022 01:07:38,317 --> 01:07:40,755 And all of a sudden the result pops up. 1023 01:07:44,454 --> 01:07:48,458 And everything just caved in really quickly around me. 1024 01:07:55,944 --> 01:07:59,599 Honestly, I've still not really got much of an idea 1025 01:07:59,730 --> 01:08:05,083 if it's somebody who I have been close to or am close to. 1026 01:08:10,785 --> 01:08:14,658 It felt like the image was kind of like ammunition 1027 01:08:14,789 --> 01:08:18,880 that could be used against me for the rest of my life. 1028 01:08:25,277 --> 01:08:27,889 I couldn't think. I couldn't function. 1029 01:08:31,588 --> 01:08:34,025 I stopped eating for like a year where I felt like 1030 01:08:34,156 --> 01:08:40,510 if I became smaller, somehow people would notice me less. 1031 01:08:46,559 --> 01:08:49,345 It just became very easy to think about 1032 01:08:49,519 --> 01:08:53,001 how death would be much easier than living this hell. 1033 01:09:01,661 --> 01:09:04,186 I felt alone and scared. 1034 01:09:08,103 --> 01:09:10,496 There's always this scary amount of backlash 1035 01:09:10,627 --> 01:09:12,716 and people will say you're overreacting 1036 01:09:12,847 --> 01:09:15,806 or you post stuff online, so you deserve this. 1037 01:09:17,982 --> 01:09:20,419 Seeing Gibi speak out, 1038 01:09:20,550 --> 01:09:23,901 I finally felt like I wasn't alone. 1039 01:09:25,947 --> 01:09:29,559 I felt like I now had a voice. 1040 01:09:33,171 --> 01:09:36,044 [somber music playing] 1041 01:09:46,968 --> 01:09:48,926 OK. So a quick update. 1042 01:09:49,057 --> 01:09:52,538 I heard about a White House meeting 1043 01:09:52,669 --> 01:09:54,540 that's going to be taking place, 1044 01:09:54,671 --> 01:09:57,935 focusing on deepfakes and how to change the laws. 1045 01:09:58,066 --> 01:10:01,547 So I'm going to be giving a deepfaked testimony. 1046 01:10:01,678 --> 01:10:04,811 I'll basically be recording a short video 1047 01:10:04,986 --> 01:10:06,639 kind of telling my experience 1048 01:10:06,813 --> 01:10:09,512 and what I think needs to happen to hopefully 1049 01:10:09,642 --> 01:10:12,428 prevent this from happening to more people in the future, 1050 01:10:12,558 --> 01:10:14,691 that people at the White House will view. 1051 01:10:14,821 --> 01:10:16,388 So I guess this is like kind of 1052 01:10:16,519 --> 01:10:18,173 the coolest thing that I've done 1053 01:10:18,303 --> 01:10:20,610 that I can't actually tell anyone about 1054 01:10:20,740 --> 01:10:22,742 because no one's going to know who I am. 1055 01:10:23,221 --> 01:10:25,310 So that'll be pretty cool, I hope. 1056 01:10:25,441 --> 01:10:27,138 I'm a little nervous to like film it 1057 01:10:27,269 --> 01:10:29,706 just because I feel like this is like the closest 1058 01:10:29,836 --> 01:10:34,276 thing to actual change that I've been able to do. 1059 01:10:34,406 --> 01:10:37,061 So yeah, it's a little nerve wracking, 1060 01:10:37,192 --> 01:10:41,674 but definitely an exciting step in this... 1061 01:10:41,805 --> 01:10:44,764 very weird journey that I've been on. 1062 01:10:45,200 --> 01:10:46,941 Oh, and yeah, if I haven't mentioned it, 1063 01:10:47,071 --> 01:10:48,899 I still suck at making video diaries. 1064 01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:51,771 So thank God, I'm being deepfaked. 1065 01:10:52,163 --> 01:10:54,035 I mean, not thank God I'm being deepfaked, 1066 01:10:54,165 --> 01:10:56,820 thank God I'll be anonymous, you know what I mean. 1067 01:11:00,258 --> 01:11:01,651 Hi, my name is Taylor 1068 01:11:01,781 --> 01:11:03,305 and I appreciate the platform 1069 01:11:03,435 --> 01:11:05,872 to be able to speak to you today. 1070 01:11:06,003 --> 01:11:07,352 Before I begin, 1071 01:11:07,483 --> 01:11:10,051 I should mention that my name is not really Taylor 1072 01:11:10,181 --> 01:11:11,878 and this isn't actually my face. 1073 01:11:13,097 --> 01:11:15,230 What I want you to understand about deepfakes 1074 01:11:15,360 --> 01:11:17,667 is that there are hundreds of thousands of women 1075 01:11:17,797 --> 01:11:20,452 being affected by this right now. 1076 01:11:20,583 --> 01:11:22,237 You may not be able to see them, 1077 01:11:22,367 --> 01:11:26,110 but the impacts are very real and very serious. 1078 01:11:26,241 --> 01:11:29,331 [suspenseful music playing] 1079 01:11:37,687 --> 01:11:41,821 TAYLOR: I think because he essentially got away with this, 1080 01:11:41,996 --> 01:11:46,783 Mike will certainly keep doing this to women in his life. 1081 01:11:46,913 --> 01:11:51,135 JULIA: I think it's disgusting that he's not going to face any repercussions. 1082 01:11:51,266 --> 01:11:53,746 His future female co-workers 1083 01:11:53,877 --> 01:11:56,358 and female friends have no idea that he's done this. 1084 01:11:57,228 --> 01:12:00,666 And I think that's really dangerous for the people around him. 1085 01:12:01,754 --> 01:12:03,756 [suspenseful music playing] 1086 01:12:07,151 --> 01:12:12,113 VOICES: Every time we see behavior that is so egregious 1087 01:12:12,461 --> 01:12:17,205 and there's no accountability, it really is a blank check 1088 01:12:17,335 --> 01:12:18,858 to do even more of it. 1089 01:12:23,907 --> 01:12:26,736 We have to create so much pain 1090 01:12:26,997 --> 01:12:28,303 for the Pornhubs of the world, 1091 01:12:28,433 --> 01:12:29,565 the Xvideos of the world, 1092 01:12:29,695 --> 01:12:31,871 that they will move heaven and earth 1093 01:12:32,002 --> 01:12:33,743 to get this stuff off their platforms. 1094 01:12:38,182 --> 01:12:41,011 We're at the very beginning of this battle, 1095 01:12:41,664 --> 01:12:45,189 but we're not gonna allow the dark recesses of the internet 1096 01:12:45,755 --> 01:12:47,409 to dictate our future. 1097 01:12:51,630 --> 01:12:53,806 I passed my thesis... 1098 01:12:53,937 --> 01:12:56,505 I have to fix the measurements setup, but I passed my thesis! 1099 01:12:56,809 --> 01:12:58,768 I can get a master's degree now. 1100 01:13:00,030 --> 01:13:01,118 That's fucking dope! 1101 01:13:01,901 --> 01:13:03,642 And we're going to California. 1102 01:13:03,773 --> 01:13:05,122 I start my job. 1103 01:13:05,253 --> 01:13:07,168 I'm graduating in September, getting my degree, 1104 01:13:07,298 --> 01:13:08,821 going to be done with school. 1105 01:13:08,952 --> 01:13:11,781 So excited about that. That's dope. 1106 01:13:13,696 --> 01:13:14,653 It'’s dope. 1107 01:13:16,525 --> 01:13:18,875 [suspenseful music playing] 1108 01:13:23,401 --> 01:13:26,839 TAYLOR: I guess I just like never thought that Silicon Valley type jobs 1109 01:13:26,970 --> 01:13:28,885 would ever be within my reach. 1110 01:13:33,324 --> 01:13:34,978 Being in a male-dominated field, 1111 01:13:35,109 --> 01:13:36,675 I want to be taken seriously. 1112 01:13:37,807 --> 01:13:40,375 I want to be known for my technical accomplishments 1113 01:13:40,505 --> 01:13:44,379 and the things that I, you know, have chosen to do with my life. 1114 01:13:47,338 --> 01:13:49,035 JULIA: I would love to be like a face for, like, 1115 01:13:49,253 --> 01:13:50,080 more women in gaming, 1116 01:13:50,211 --> 01:13:52,735 but the deepfake situation 1117 01:13:52,865 --> 01:13:55,825 has definitely caused me to think twice about that. 1118 01:13:56,826 --> 01:13:58,654 [arrow whirs] 1119 01:14:02,745 --> 01:14:04,181 JULIA: There's a deer on the boardwalk. 1120 01:14:04,312 --> 01:14:05,487 I don't know if you can see that. There's... 1121 01:14:05,661 --> 01:14:07,315 I literally just watched a deer 1122 01:14:07,445 --> 01:14:09,186 hop across the bank parking lot. 1123 01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:11,754 It's running down the boardwalk. 1124 01:14:12,102 --> 01:14:14,148 Do you see it? What the heck! 1125 01:14:14,278 --> 01:14:15,279 Caught on candid... 1126 01:14:15,410 --> 01:14:17,760 It's sprinting down the boardwalk! 1127 01:14:19,675 --> 01:14:24,767 [suspenseful music playing] 1128 01:14:30,990 --> 01:14:34,255 TAYLOR: It's highly likely that there is still more stuff out there 1129 01:14:34,385 --> 01:14:36,300 that I haven't seen. 1130 01:14:41,349 --> 01:14:46,789 But then I can't let that fear affect how I live my life. 1131 01:14:57,756 --> 01:14:59,758 [distorted music playing] 1132 01:15:12,684 --> 01:15:17,776 [crickets chirping]