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This program me contains some
strong language
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This is your dad's pub?
This is my dad's pub, yeah.
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You want to do it?
You do it, you do?
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No, you do it.
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You show, you do it properly.
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Yes.
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You just...
There you go.
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Give it the right position
and that's it.
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I love it.
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Maybe it's a bit bigger head,
but...
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It's OK, it's yummy.
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Yeah.
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So I'm going to see
if I can beat that.
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Go on, then. Head wise.
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It's not looking so good.
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Oh!
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I didn't do very well.
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Go ahead, Rita.
Well, at least I made you look good.
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It's not bad.
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You're next.
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It might be...
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I was lucky because there was...
That's the worst one yet.
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...too much gas!
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Guys, look at this!
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That's money back territory.
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Look at that.
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Mine actually looks OK
next to that one.
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Have you performed here
over the years? Yes.
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When you were very young?
I started in here, yes.
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They have live music.
It's so fun. Do they?
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Yeah, you should come and hang out.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Surrounded by cameras.
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I might be down here, propping up
the bar. Oh, yeah?
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You should. It would be good
for business.
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It's so fun.
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I was with the global pop star
and celebrity, Rita Ora.
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I'll just stay here and think
of some good questions.
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OK, I'm coming up, Shall we just
use one of these?
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She'd agreed to spend several days
with me at home and on the road
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to set the record straight
about her life and work.
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Can't take me anywhere.
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All right, I'm ready, I'm sorry.
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I love seeing you with
a j-cloth in your hand.
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It's so lovely.
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Yeah, isn't it nice?
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"She's just like you and me."
"Just like us."
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But with a private jet.
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No, that's not true.
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Tirana, the capital of Albania.
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Hi. Hi.
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Welcome.
Yeah, thanks.
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It's a bit mental.
It's amazing.
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The energy out there is...
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It's something else.
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Rita had been invited to give
a concert not far from where
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she'd been born 31 years earlier
in neighbouring Kosovo.
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There's a lot of buzz out there.
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It's like the Beatles
are here, right?
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Yeah, I feel like that.
Exciting, we're going to...
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Thank you. I mean,
that's a huge compliment.
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The show would be free to the public
as part of Tirana's role
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as a European youth capital.
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So right now, we're just waiting
for the press conference to start.
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Yeah. Which is, I have to say,
I'm very nervous about it.
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Oh, are you?
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You'd think I'd have this down
to a T by now, wouldn't you?
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Look at this.
You just don't realise it.
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For reals? For reals.
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Even I still get it.
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See, we're all human.
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They're just here to love you.
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I don't know.
Do want to come out with me?
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I'll be on the side there.
You can speak better than I can.
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Not in Albanian!
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This is the mayor of,
yes, of Albania..
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Hi!
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Miremengjesi. Miremengjesi.
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Hey, good to see you.
I'm Louis, nice to meet you.
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Yeah, yeah.
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This is the British ambassador.
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Welcome.
Lovely to see you here, at last.
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I know, I'm very excited.
Thank you.
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I'm Louis, nice to meet you.
How do you do?
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Nice to meet you.
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I just want to first say that
it's a privilege to be here again,
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to perform.
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Ancl I really hope you can all
come and join me to celebrate
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the beautiful country
and to have a good time.
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So thank you very much.
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Rita is both
an international artist
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and an all-round
entertainment brand,
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the face of glossy ad campaigns...
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I'm going to be making one of my
faves using my very own tequila.
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...with 13 top ten hits,
modelling contracts
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and TV talent show roles.
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A true superstar.
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But along with success
and acclaim has come
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a public profile and
tabloid attention that hasn't
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always been friendly.
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Sorry, I just have to take some
pictures for my Instagram.
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Please, be my guest.
OK.
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I was hoping our time together
would be a chance to see the real
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person behind the media portrayal.
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That shirt's so intriguing.
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It's fashion, Louis.
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It looks like you might
have it on wrong.
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It's fashion, Louis.
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Smouldering.
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Smoking.
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Got 'em? Yes. OK.
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OK, clone at last.
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How did that feel?
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It's part of the job, Louis.
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This is so interesting.
Can we not talk about my shirt?
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Mine's so boring,
my arms go through the sleeves!
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Come on,
let's go see the stage.
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I'm just promoting my tequila
at the same time.
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She's always come to all my shows.
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Oh, I love that.
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What is the vibe like
being back here?
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Does it feel like
a homecoming of sorts?
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Yeah, it is really nice
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because everyone's
just like, hey, hi!
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Just like one of us.
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Rita's concert would be taking place
in the city's main square.
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After two years of lockdown,
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this was one of a handful
of large-scale events
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she was performing.
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With an audience that would be
in the thousands,
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the pressure was on to deliver.
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What have we got there, Rita?
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An Albanian flag.
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Very cool.
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Very cool.
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Will you wave it or just wear it?
I'll wear it. You'll see. OK.
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I guess this is the first time
we're going to see how it works
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because it might not work.
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Have you done this before?
No. Cool.
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Hopefully it's going to be
a great turnout.
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I always get so nervous.
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Ah!
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OK, people, five minutes
to show.
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This is no time to hit the bong.
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This is the worst part. Is it?
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Waiting to go on.
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I hate waiting to go on.
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It's the part that makes me vomit.
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Looking good. Let's go!
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CROWN CHANTING: Rita! Rita! Rita!
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Are you ready?
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# Let me
take you where you'll never go
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# Have a little fun
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# It's the only way we know
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# Let me show you what you never see
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# You know how to love,
you know how to love
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# You know how to love...#
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Here we go!
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Rita's show was an unabashed
all-singing, all-dancing spectacle.
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# You know that I would never
let you down
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# I would never...#
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Her set - a tribute to ten
years of chart success...
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# I will never let you down. #
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...and an acknowledgement of a city
which sees her as one of its own.
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Back in London, in the neighbourhood
of Kilburn, not far from where
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she grew up, Rita sat down
to talk about her journey
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in and out of the spotlight.
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So you've got, I think 16 million
followers on Instagram? Yeah.
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So that's not as much compared
to some people that have a huge
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social media kind of presence.
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How many top tens
have you had in the UK? 13.
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Which is, I think, a record.
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Most top tens from a
British female solo artist
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to come out of the UK
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#Ah.#
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That's cool, huh?
That's amazing.
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I'm really, really excited
about that.
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So you beat Petula Clark
and... Shirley Bassey.
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# Gold finger...#
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And also, you performed
at the Oscars? I did.
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Wow, that was amazing.
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Ancl Mother Teresa's canonization?
Yes.
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Come on!
Come on!
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Famous Albanian.
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Also, let's name more credits.
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You performed for Barack Obama?
I did.
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Oh, with Dwayne johns on
when I was excited.
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Dwayne the Rock johns on. The Rock.
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When did you work with Prince?
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I can't even remember.
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It was like, in...
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You wrote a song together?
Champagne Kisses.
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Yeah, never came out.
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He passed away.
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How did the call come in?
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He called me.
He was like that. No!
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"Hey, it's Prince."
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Ancl I went and played
ping pong with him.
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It was crazy.
He's pretty good at ping pong.
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Is he? Yeah.
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A lot of spin?
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Just like a lot going on - the
heels, the flares, the ping-pong.
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Does that affect his game?
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I mean, it really - I think
it puts him on game.
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Seriously? Was he doing kicks
and splits while he was playing?
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No, he wasn't! He was - and had a
cane that lit up.
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We're talking about Prince,
not Willy Wonka, right?
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Yes, we're talking about Prince.
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Should we talk about how you got
started, musically?
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Well, I went - I didn't go to normal
school, I went to theatre school.
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I did maths, science, English,
Monday to Wednesday,
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and then I danced and sang,
Thursday-Friday.
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Ancl then I was an intern
at a recording studio.
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Ancl at the time I was so in awe
of being in the studio life,
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and I volunteered - make tea, clean
up, do whatever I needed to do,
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sing whenever I could,
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and I just wanted to be a star.
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I just wanted to be a pop star.
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To get to that point, I tried to get
a deal.
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You'd put out some music,
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because you'd featured on a Craig
David track
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called Awkward, which is actually
a pretty good track.
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Thanks. I can remember it like it
was yesterday.
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# I was waiting for your love
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# You can only wait so long
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# I was hoping and wishing...
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I can't remember the rest.
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Did you tour with him? Yeah.
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This is why I'm saying shout out to
Craig - like, he supported me a lot.
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I would go on tour with him.
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That led me to meet this A&R woman,
who put me in touch with Jay Brown,
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who was the partner of jay-Z.
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Ancl I sent, like, a demo,
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not thinking they were going to
look at it.
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Do you think there's anyone watching
this who doesn't know who jay-Z is?
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If they don't, that's a problem.
Worrying. Yeah.
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Hip-hop legend.
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Ancl they flew you out
business class?
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No.
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Premium economy? No.
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Economy. Mm. Because they weren't
sure at that point.
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They didn't want to spend
the big bucks? Yeah.
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You'd think they might want
to impress you.
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No. I think at that point
it was like, I mean,
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how would I know the difference?
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I was like, "I'm going to New York."
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And you arrive, and what happens?
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I go straight to his club, 40/40.
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Ancl so then I get there,
and he's sitting right there.
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You're hot off the plane.
Hot off the plane, tired.
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You haven't even changed. No.
Exhausted.
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He was sitting there, a
bit like this...
252
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...and people were, like, in front
of me, and they just parted,
253
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and there he was.
254
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"Yo!" - that's my impression of jay.
255
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SHE LAUGHS SHRILLY
256
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Quite alarming. It's not howl
imagined him sounding.
257
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So then he just looks up,
he goes, "What's up, kid?"
258
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Exactly like that.
259
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Ancl I was like...
260
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..."Hi".
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“W “
262
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The rest is history.
263
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We went to the Roc the Mic studio.
264
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What did you sing?
265
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Oh, I sang a bit of my demo
that I sent them.
266
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And at what point did they say,
"Right, you got the goods?"
267
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Straight after. Really?
268
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They were like, "We're signing
you."
269
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They signed you to a five
album deal.
270
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In hindsight, it turns out
that wasn't kind of the ideal
271
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launchpad for you, in certain
respects.
272
00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:09,855
I mean, can you - how much
can you talk about that?
273
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Well, obviously... I know
you're very respectful of jay-Z.
274
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You won't say anything bad
about him.
275
00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:17,255
And at the same time, why
wasn't the music coming out?
276
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Let's talk about that.
277
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I don't know.
278
00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,895
You know, there was moments - I
mean, I was recording for like two,
279
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three years straight.
280
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And then what's coming back?
281
00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:27,335
"Jay-Z doesn't like this?"
282
00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,095
It was, you know, there was a whole
moment where it was about to happen.
283
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I recorded a music video, and it
just didn't come out.
284
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They scrapped it.
285
00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,655
And I felt really kind of,
like, disappointed.
286
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I felt I let everyone down.
287
00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,495
It's been reported that all
the music,
288
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the best songs were going to
Rihanna first,
289
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who was a stable mate there.
290
00:13:44,800 --> 00:13:48,015
She was also - she was obviously
the more established artist,
291
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someone you admire.
292
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Respectfully, of course.
293
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She was getting first refusal
on all the music,
294
00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:56,455
and she'd sit on songs that had been
written, so that you couldn't...
295
00:13:56,480 --> 00:13:57,615
I don't know about that.
296
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Whether it was so you couldn't, or -
either way,
297
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the result was that you weren't
getting a look at it,
298
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and that she had a problem with you.
299
00:14:05,200 --> 00:14:09,575
Well, I can't speak for other
people, but I think publicly, always
300
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they put women against each other.
301
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But I've been nothing but a fan
and respectful of her,
302
00:14:14,560 --> 00:14:16,295
and I always will be.
303
00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:17,775
But I'll tell you what happened.
304
00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:22,455
So then Sarah, who is for me one of
the most like ball grabbing,
305
00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:24,895
independent, incredibly inspiring
women who really...
306
00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,255
Your manager. Yeah.
307
00:14:26,280 --> 00:14:30,775
...who's really kind of took
matters into her own hands.
308
00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:34,335
Ancl we found a song called Hot
Right Now with DJ Fresh.
309
00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:39,775
Ancl that was something that we did
ourselves, me and her.
310
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Ancl we presented it to the label,
311
00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:46,495
and they were like, "Oh, right,
we're not putting money in it.
312
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"It's not going to be our campaign.
313
00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:50,935
"It's, you know, it's Ministry of
Sound. They can - go for it."
314
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:55,975
So I put out Hot Right Now,
wanting to prove that, like, hello,
315
00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,095
you're sitting on a gold mine
or something.
316
00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,535
Hot Right Now, which is a
great track,
317
00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:04,055
which is the only drum'n'bass song
ever to reach number one in the UK.
318
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Yes, history. Up to that point.
319
00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,255
And then they come back - "Oh, we
better, we better do something
320
00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:10,495
"with this girl who's been on our
books for the last..."
321
00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,895
That was exactly right. ..two or
three years, at that point.
322
00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:15,375
But that's ridiculous.
323
00:15:15,400 --> 00:15:17,495
And now I'm getting annoyed.
Thank you.
324
00:15:17,520 --> 00:15:20,455
And then you put your album out,
Ora.
325
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It was a number one album in the UK.
326
00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:26,015
Yes, yes. Big up, Ora.
Thank you, for everyone.
327
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I don't think they released
it in America, did they? No.
328
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:30,975
Well, I mean, that also seems odd.
329
00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,775
Yeah, it was. It was all odd.
330
00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:35,295
What's that about? Help me out.
331
00:15:35,320 --> 00:15:38,295
I don't know. If I had the answers,
I would tell you.
332
00:15:38,320 --> 00:15:39,815
I don't have the answers - Sway.
333
00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,375
It's Rihanna, isn't it? No.
334
00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,375
You don't think it was an active...
I just think it was priority...
335
00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:48,055
It was like, "We don't have
time for Rita who?"
336
00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,295
I have to say one... "Number one in
where?"
337
00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,015
I - you know, with everything
comes like to prove,
338
00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:54,855
you've got to prove your worth.
339
00:15:54,880 --> 00:15:59,295
I just tried my hardest
to become a prominent figure.
340
00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:00,615
That's all I wanted to do.
341
00:16:00,640 --> 00:16:05,015
I, like, wanted to be like that
successful.
342
00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:07,975
2015, was it, that you brought
the lawsuit?
343
00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,415
Let me be clear.
344
00:16:09,440 --> 00:16:11,215
It wasn't going up against jay-Z,
345
00:16:11,240 --> 00:16:14,175
it was going up against Roc Nation,
the label.
346
00:16:14,200 --> 00:16:17,935
You had to bring a suit
to be released from your deal.
347
00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:19,255
Yeah. So I...
348
00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,695
Plus they counter sued you,
like, that's all stressful.
349
00:16:21,720 --> 00:16:23,095
I mean, it's just a big headache.
350
00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:25,055
It was an amicable separation.
351
00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,735
Were you financially worried?
352
00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:28,415
Were you worried about that? Yeah.
353
00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:33,015
There was ways I survived
in that time that I was in before
354
00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:35,375
I chose to leave Roc Nation.
355
00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,775
I became the face of many different
campaigns,
356
00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:40,255
TV,
357
00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,695
and I wanted to also take on acting.
358
00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:48,855
I got paid a good amount of money,
which kept me sort of, like, afloat.
359
00:16:48,880 --> 00:16:52,935
I'm happy I did that, because I
think for me that opened the door
360
00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:54,775
to, like, a lot of things.
361
00:16:54,800 --> 00:16:59,295
But we did all of that ourselves,
my sister and Sarah.
362
00:17:02,040 --> 00:17:03,495
Vocal rest time.
363
00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,255
Vocal rest. OK,
let's have a little rest.
364
00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:06,735
HE INHALES DEEPLY
365
00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:07,775
Yeah.
366
00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:11,815
How are you, Elena?
367
00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:13,455
Did you want to add anything?
368
00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:15,215
Rihanna? I think you guys are doing
great.
369
00:17:15,240 --> 00:17:16,935
What's going on with Rihanna?
370
00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:21,215
Elena's your sister.
371
00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,415
You're also her manager. Kind of.
372
00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:26,055
All of her management team,
let's say. Yeah.
373
00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:30,855
"This is an app I use to talk when
I'm having a vocal rest."
374
00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,895
"So leave me the fuck alone, Louis."
375
00:17:36,920 --> 00:17:41,935
You've got a slightly different
personality on the app.
376
00:17:41,960 --> 00:17:43,855
Combined with the face.
377
00:17:43,880 --> 00:17:45,615
"I'm kidding. I love you."
378
00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:46,975
LAUGHTER
379
00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:56,815
Ta-da!
380
00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,655
In Los Angeles, I'd been invited
to a video shoot
381
00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,495
for a song Rita was featuring on.
382
00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,055
This would be her first
new music for nearly a year.
383
00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:06,415
I would take my sunglasses off
384
00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,415
but I'm not ready yet,
and my face doesn't look...
385
00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:10,255
Do you not want to look unmade-up?
386
00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:11,975
| mean, you can see me.
387
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:13,575
That looks nice. Aargh!
388
00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,735
This is Boris, who I did the song
with. Netsky.
389
00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:16,855
The Dj and producer?
390
00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:19,255
Yes, that's right. Yeah.
How do you do? Nice to meet you.
391
00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:20,415
Nice to meet you too.
392
00:18:20,440 --> 00:18:22,135
Hi! I'm looking forward
to hearing it.
393
00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,295
Yeah, it's going to be fun.
394
00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:25,455
So remember this face,
because you won't recognise me
395
00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,015
when I come out of that room.
396
00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,015
Dissolve!
SHE LAUGHS
397
00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,255
I'll be right back, OK? All right.
398
00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:35,455
Oh, oh, oh, oh, take your...
One, two...
399
00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,015
...three, four, five, six. And...
Yeah!
400
00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,015
...one, two, three, four and five.
401
00:18:41,880 --> 00:18:43,655
APPLAUSE
402
00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:46,415
Oh, beautiful.
Looking really good, guys.
403
00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:47,975
Excellent.
404
00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:49,255
Here she is... Hi.
405
00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,175
...looking amazing.
Do you still recognise me?
406
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,695
I do. I do.
407
00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:54,695
But you look very glam.
408
00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:55,735
Thank you.
409
00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:57,095
So you'll be in the middle here?
410
00:18:57,120 --> 00:18:59,615
Yeah, this is where you're going
to be. Come on, stop.
411
00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:01,415
No, I'm serious.
This isn't about me.
412
00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:02,495
They didn't tell you?
413
00:19:02,520 --> 00:19:04,215
What if we all get in position
and... Yeah.
414
00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:05,415
Remember what I showed you?
415
00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:06,815
Yeah, I will. Find it inside.
416
00:19:06,840 --> 00:19:08,215
Yes. Right.
417
00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:10,335
He's my emotional support.
LAUGHTER
418
00:19:10,360 --> 00:19:12,055
I'm your emotional support animal.
419
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,695
Well, I didn't want to
take it that far!
420
00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:16,535
As Rita prepped her moves,
421
00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,015
there was a surprise visitor
to the set.
422
00:19:19,040 --> 00:19:21,735
How you doing? Yeah, good.
Louis. Nice to meet you.
423
00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:23,735
Yeah, nice to meet you.
Oh, my God. I'm a big fan.
424
00:19:23,760 --> 00:19:26,255
Rita's boyfriend -
the actor, director and
425
00:19:26,280 --> 00:19:28,535
Oscar-winning writer Taika Waititi.
426
00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:30,015
Thanks for coming down.
427
00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:31,935
Yeah. Well, I think you came down
to see Rita...
428
00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,535
I came down to see Rita, yeah.
..but I'm part of the bonus package.
429
00:19:34,560 --> 00:19:36,215
I see, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.
430
00:19:36,240 --> 00:19:37,375
Oh, it's a big bonus.
431
00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:39,015
I see her all the time. Yeah.
432
00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,855
I barely ever see you.
THEY LAUGH
433
00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:43,375
So tell me about you and Rita.
434
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,055
You've been together about a year?
435
00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:49,695
We've actually known each other
for years, before we got together.
436
00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:52,055
Everyone thinks we met in Australia
last year, but...
437
00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:53,455
That's what the internet told me.
438
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:54,535
Yeah.
439
00:19:54,560 --> 00:19:56,335
You know who brought her
to my house?
440
00:19:56,360 --> 00:19:58,775
It was Robert Pattinson.
The famous actor?
441
00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,975
Batman. Batman.
442
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:03,495
He brought her over. I was having
a little barbecue thing,
443
00:20:03,520 --> 00:20:05,535
and he brought her over and
we got to chatting
444
00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:06,895
and we just became friends.
445
00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,215
We hit it off, became friends.
446
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,695
Then for years, for the next three,
three and a half years,
447
00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:12,375
we were just good mates. Yeah.
448
00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:14,895
Yeah, and we were in different
relationships, both of us.
449
00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:18,855
And every time we hung out
we would just catch up
450
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:21,455
where we left off, and
it was a good friendship.
451
00:20:21,480 --> 00:20:23,935
Yeah. And then we decided to
ruin it all.
452
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:26,335
What is it that works
about the relationship?
453
00:20:26,360 --> 00:20:29,295
I just like the fact that we both
work hard and we've both got
454
00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:31,935
our own jobs and are independent,
but are also best friends.
455
00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,135
You know, we come from different
parts of the world.
456
00:20:34,160 --> 00:20:36,455
She comes from Kosovo
and I'm from New Zealand -
457
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:39,015
very far away, but the backgrounds
are very similar in that
458
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,335
we grew up poor, with
working class families.
459
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:45,135
Her dad owned pubs and she hung out
in pubs a lot when she was a kid,
460
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:49,615
and my mum worked in pubs and, well,
my family loved being in pubs
461
00:20:49,640 --> 00:20:51,535
so I was in pubs a lot...
LOUIS LAUGHS
462
00:20:51,560 --> 00:20:53,735
...when I was a kid - in fact,
all through my childhood.
463
00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,215
And I think just, you know,
the background of
464
00:20:56,240 --> 00:20:59,655
the Maori community, it feels
just similar to the Kosovan
465
00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:01,095
or Albanian communities.
466
00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:03,575
Like, our sensibilities are
quite aligned, I think. Yeah.
467
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,135
# We used to be in love
468
00:21:05,160 --> 00:21:09,055
# Ancl I will not allow
for us to go down in fire... #
469
00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,895
When you first met Rita,
had she seen your movies?
470
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,895
I don't care if she's seen
my stuff or not.
471
00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:15,695
My mum's seen all my stuff,
472
00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:18,015
and she loved it. Mm. That's enough.
473
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,135
But if I can just reach one
person...
474
00:21:20,160 --> 00:21:22,455
THEY LAUGH
475
00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,015
HE KNOCKS
Darling?
476
00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:25,055
Yeah? Hi.
477
00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,255
Can I bring in some visitors?
478
00:21:26,280 --> 00:21:27,335
Yeah.
479
00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:28,935
Oh, no... How's it going in here?
480
00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:30,335
You two found each other, then.
481
00:21:30,360 --> 00:21:32,255
We've been bro-mg down out there.
SHE LAUGHS
482
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,175
Mainly talking about your romance,
how you got together.
483
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,735
Well! I couldn't help it.
484
00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,575
We haven't spoken about
that yet. It's him.
485
00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:39,975
This is his power. His power.
486
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:43,695
What works about it... He just sort
of... ..the foundation of it.
487
00:21:43,720 --> 00:21:46,415
Aw. Erm, the chemistry. Yeah.
488
00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,735
The emotional give-and-take.
489
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,495
He's my best friend.
490
00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,815
That's what I said. Did you?
Shut up. So our stories...
491
00:21:52,840 --> 00:21:54,215
Say you swear. I swear.
492
00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:55,255
No?
493
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:56,335
Oh...
494
00:21:56,360 --> 00:21:58,095
Eurgh, what was that?!
LOUIS LAUGHS
495
00:21:58,120 --> 00:22:00,255
A snap pea.
496
00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:01,415
Were you...
497
00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:04,655
Taika, were you conscious of being
pulled more into the spotlight?
498
00:22:04,680 --> 00:22:07,455
Because obviously Rita and her...
I don't know about that, Louis!
499
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:09,735
I think it was probably
the other way around.
500
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,615
Don't you think, darling?
LAUGHTER
501
00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,695
Errn, yeah, I enjoyed hanging out
with you,
502
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,895
and then people started
taking photos of us. Yeah.
503
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,735
Then for about five minutes,
lthought
504
00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:20,975
"Oh, this is what they talk about."
505
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:23,575
The thing is you don't come into
this industry,
506
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,575
"Oh, would I love to do music?",
thinking about that at all.
507
00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,895
It's kind of one of those things
you have to deal with
508
00:22:28,920 --> 00:22:31,375
once you're in it, so it's not like
you go to school for it.
509
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,415
So it's a really hard thing to
digest because you're not
510
00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:35,855
trained for it.
511
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:38,935
You're just trained to sort of,
like, go on stage and sing
512
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:40,295
and make music.
513
00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:44,335
That's probably one of the reasons
why I enjoy being in LA
514
00:22:44,360 --> 00:22:47,295
because they kind of leave you
more alone, I would say,
515
00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:49,055
than in the UK. Mm-hm.
516
00:22:49,080 --> 00:22:52,575
Maybe it's because it's so normal
here to see sort of, like...
517
00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,335
Yeah, it's a lot of stars.
..people walking around.
518
00:22:55,360 --> 00:22:57,415
So they're not, like,
outside your house,
519
00:22:57,440 --> 00:22:59,695
like they are back at home.
520
00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:02,135
But... Would they be outside
your house?
521
00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:04,055
Yeah. In London?
522
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,775
Yeah. Definitely in my old place.
523
00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,335
I've moved now and got
a bit more security.
524
00:23:10,360 --> 00:23:13,175
This is a heavy question,
so feel free not to answer it.
525
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:14,335
That's all right. OK.
526
00:23:14,360 --> 00:23:17,295
So have you had any issues
with stalkers?
527
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:18,815
Yeah.
528
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:24,095
There was one incident where there
was a person who just arrived
529
00:23:24,120 --> 00:23:28,455
with suitcases outside my house
and said that I'd promised them
530
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,495
that I would leave everything
and live a life with them
531
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:33,575
and run away.
532
00:23:33,600 --> 00:23:36,295
Ancl then these pictures of these
individuals you have to put around
533
00:23:36,320 --> 00:23:40,335
at all shows, for all the security
to kind of be aware of
534
00:23:40,360 --> 00:23:43,335
these specific people,
535
00:23:43,360 --> 00:23:46,455
because you just don't know
when they're going to show up.
536
00:23:48,440 --> 00:23:50,815
Bye-bye. Mwah. Thanks for coming.
537
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,655
I squashed your hair
a little bit more.
538
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:55,255
OK. I'll see you guys later.
I'll give you your microphone back.
539
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,095
Bye! Thanks, Taika.
I really appreciate it.
540
00:23:57,120 --> 00:23:59,335
Just going to go work
on my...another hit movie.
541
00:23:59,360 --> 00:24:00,735
LAUGHTER
542
00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:02,455
just... just my eighth, um...
543
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:04,455
Get out of here. just go away!
544
00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:06,135
...critically acclaimed film.
545
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,055
Whatever.
546
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:10,855
They say, "Learn from
your mistakes."
547
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,815
I wouldn't know.
548
00:24:12,840 --> 00:24:14,215
LAUGHING: Oh, my God!
549
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:15,695
He even had an exit line.
550
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,575
That's always. That's every clay,
by the way.
551
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:19,815
Thank you for having me, Rita.
552
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:21,295
I'm so happy you came. Yeah, me too.
553
00:24:21,320 --> 00:24:23,895
Thank you for seeing the bit of
the inside of this video.
554
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,815
Yeah. Appreciate it.
555
00:24:29,040 --> 00:24:30,815
Hi, Rita. Hi.
556
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,735
Rita's relationship with
the tabloids has not
557
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:35,015
always been easy.
558
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:36,375
Rita, can I get a picture, love?
559
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,295
In 2020 she was criticised for
a birthday party during lockdown,
560
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,855
for which she later apologised.
561
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:44,975
Over the years there's been
extensive coverage
562
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,495
of her love life.
563
00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,975
In 2016 she made headlines when
one of her Instagram posts led to
564
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,295
speculation that she might be
outing herself
565
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,055
as jay-Z's 'other woman',
566
00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,895
written about on Beyonce's
Lemonade album.
567
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,335
I was curious how she felt about
her press portrayal.
568
00:25:07,360 --> 00:25:08,855
All right.
569
00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:10,455
Just carry on.
570
00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:12,415
One of the things that
obviously comes up a lot -
571
00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:15,015
when Beyonce had her album there was
a mysterious woman called
572
00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:17,175
"Becky with the good hair," who
allegedly jay-Z had
573
00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:18,895
cheated with her...
RITA SCOFFS
574
00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:23,015
Yeah. ..and then at some point
in 2016, with Lemonade in the air,
575
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:26,135
you posted a picture of yourself
with lemons on your bra...
576
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:27,895
Oh, my God. "and a “)“
around your neck.
577
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:29,295
It literally was a coincidence.
578
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:30,975
I didn't even think about it,
I swear,
579
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:32,615
and it wasn't aj - it was an R.
580
00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:35,695
They flipped it round
and then it looked like a j!
581
00:25:36,840 --> 00:25:40,015
That was in no way designed to
sort of... No, it had nothing...
582
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,415
...intrigue or... No, that was
my own design
583
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:47,135
with an underwear company called
Tezenis that I was working with.
584
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,535
This is what I mean, man.
A pinch of salt.
585
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,735
You've got to take things with
a pinch of salt.
586
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:53,015
Ancl that's what's insane.
587
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,895
I had to just kind of sit through
that until a good friend
588
00:25:56,920 --> 00:26:00,775
of mine, Katy Perry,
gave me a hilarious badge
589
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,375
that said, "Not Becky".
590
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,215
It's just I guess
what the press do, isn't it?
591
00:26:05,240 --> 00:26:07,575
It's interesting because I feel
like, you know, everyone
592
00:26:07,600 --> 00:26:09,775
is very interested in
my personal life,
593
00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:14,975
like everything else is not worthy
enough, which sometimes is
594
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,335
frustrating because I have also
got a lot of credentials
595
00:26:20,360 --> 00:26:23,015
to sustain my, like, respect.
596
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:27,975
Ancl I feel like when things aren't
as "juicy" or, you know,
597
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:32,215
all my sort of, like, career
achievements I'm really proud of
598
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,615
aren't spoken about as much as,
like, a bit of gossip or whatever,
599
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,535
it just becomes
a little bit annoying.
600
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,775
But I understand why to the people
it's, like, interesting, but...
601
00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,375
I think where it's relevant is
that part of your talent
602
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,135
is aligned with a kind of positive
attitude to life, right?
603
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,855
Thank you. Which is also involved
with having a colourful love life,
604
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:56,695
right? And I say that
with no judgment. Yeah.
605
00:26:56,720 --> 00:26:59,095
Because you've also made jokes
about picking the wrong guy
606
00:26:59,120 --> 00:27:01,495
and a couple of them were total...
Ancl wrote songs about it.
607
00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:04,335
Can I say this? A couple of them
struck me as complete plonkers.
608
00:27:04,360 --> 00:27:06,655
By the way, I didn't mean that...
That doesn't attach...
609
00:27:06,680 --> 00:27:08,295
I hope that didn't attach to you.
610
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,215
It was like I just thought, "Why..."
Thanks.
611
00:27:10,240 --> 00:27:11,855
You know, "Why did you go with
that guy?"
612
00:27:11,880 --> 00:27:14,895
Maybe, maybe... And that probably
says more about me. Maybe.
613
00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,175
I love love.
614
00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:17,535
I love being in love.
615
00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:19,455
It's amazing. It's so fun.
616
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:20,775
Who doesn't?
617
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,935
It's like I live life
to the fullest.
618
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,695
I am an extremely passionate
person when it comes to love,
619
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,535
but I don't base my life
on relationships.
620
00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:33,215
I don't base my, like, moments -
621
00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:36,215
"Oh, I remember this because of
that" - off relationships.
622
00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,855
That's just an addition to my life.
623
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:43,575
I've always been very adamant
on focusing on me
624
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:48,295
and my, like, work
and what I love to do.
625
00:27:48,320 --> 00:27:54,295
Ancl if somebody brings something
to that scenario, then great.
626
00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,815
I also feel like all of that
is irrelevant because of the place
627
00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:03,735
I'm in now, and it's almost, like,
disrespectful to what I have now
628
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:07,415
to even discuss the past.
629
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,575
What I hear very clearly
is that you are really proud
630
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:15,815
of what you've achieved, and rightly
so, but that there's an atmosphere,
631
00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,375
or can be when you're in the public
eye, an atmosphere of judgement,
632
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:21,975
or shaming, or criticism.
633
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,695
Is that sort of what... Yeah,
but look... ..you're thinking about?
634
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,095
You know, we are women.
635
00:28:26,120 --> 00:28:28,975
Men don't get asked,
"Oh, you've had 100 boyfriends?",
636
00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:30,615
or "girlfriends?"
637
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:35,815
Sometimes they do, but the majority
of the time they don't.
638
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:38,295
You know, it comes with
the territory.
639
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:42,575
I think it's part of the world
that you're in.
640
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:46,375
I just count myself kind of
pretty lucky compared to some
641
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,855
stories that have...
642
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:53,215
...been really intense for some
that aren't even here with us today
643
00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:55,335
for specific reasons like that.
644
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,575
And some of them were my 'hi ends.
645
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,735
You know, the press can be
really gruelling.
646
00:28:59,760 --> 00:29:02,055
So I think things need to change.
647
00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,215
You were close with Caroline Flack,
weren't you? Yeah.
648
00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:09,295
Ancl I think it's really disgusting
at times, and it's really sad.
649
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,295
I get emotional because it's...
650
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:14,295
It's hard to relate if you're not...
651
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:15,975
...in that position.
652
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,255
You know, no-one is asking people
to understand,
653
00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,735
"Oh, I'm famous, please, please
understand me."
654
00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:25,735
Like, it's very hard to sympathise,
but I try not to think about it
655
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:29,095
too much because it puts me
in a sense of stress and anxiety.
656
00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,135
How's your energy?
657
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:45,415
Great.
658
00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,055
Here we are, not far from
where you grew up.
659
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,455
West London Massive. Ah...
Give me one of these.
660
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,215
Here we go. That'll take a minute.
661
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:53,575
There we go.
662
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:57,855
Now we're going to get attacked if
we go east of Tottenham Court Road.
663
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,935
Your parents had been born -
as had you, in fact - in Kosovo.
664
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:06,575
Mm-hm. And then in... '91, is it,
they relocated, they moved? Yeah.
665
00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:09,015
I was one. My sister was three.
666
00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,535
You know, and I grew up kind of,
you know, in a council estate.
667
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:15,855
Ancl so drinking in the parks
with my mates.
668
00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:18,975
I was definitely... So a wild child?
..a bit of a wild child,
669
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:20,775
but I wasn't a disrespectful child.
670
00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,495
I think there's, like, a fine line.
671
00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:24,895
You have to remember my parents
are kind of...
672
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:27,895
You know, they're traditional.
They are Kosovan parents.
673
00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:31,295
They were raised in a specific way -
get married, have kids,
674
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:33,015
go to school.
675
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:37,175
Ancl so for them it was really
important to follow that tradition.
676
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,895
Ancl I was kind of like a...
677
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,855
What's the word - anomaly? Mm-hm.
678
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:44,815
SHE GASPS
I got it right!
679
00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:46,975
One of the things you're quoted
as saying is,
680
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:48,895
"I wish I'd been a better kid."
681
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,615
Did you know that you'd said that?
682
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,335
I probably did say that
a long time ago.
683
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:57,695
It was actually in the context
of your mum having cancer... Hmm.
684
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,415
...from which she recovered.
685
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:01,615
Thank God. She survived it.
686
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:06,335
But around that time you were also
maybe not your best behaved?
687
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:10,815
First of all, getting that news
as a kid, it's, like, a lot,
688
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:13,335
because you look at your parents
and you think they're always
689
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:15,655
going to be there. They're, like,
superheroes, you know?
690
00:31:15,680 --> 00:31:17,095
They're never going to get ill,
691
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:19,455
they're always going to be there
when you need them.
692
00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:21,655
And then there my mum goes,
you know,
693
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:23,375
"Been diagnosed
with breast cancer" -
694
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,215
super young, by the way,
you know, late 30s.
695
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,295
And you would've been probably 14?
696
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:30,695
Yeah, I was, like, 13, 14.
697
00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:35,055
Ancl I would still go to school
and I just wouldn't focus.
698
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:39,495
I felt like I was under a lot of,
like... I didn't know what to do.
699
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,255
Ancl so, yeah, I rebelled
a little bit, you know?
700
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:43,415
What would that look like?
701
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,655
Was that just partying, or...?
702
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:48,495
No, it was, like, pretending to go
to school and having a spare
703
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:51,375
pair of clothes in my bag
and not go to school.
704
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,015
Spending my lunch money on, like,
a packet of Mayfair.
705
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,455
Ten Mayfair!
706
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:58,135
Oh, God, those were the clays.
707
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:02,735
And, you know, coming back and
smelling like cigs, and my parents
708
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:04,735
were like, "Why do you smell
like cigs?"
709
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,055
Ancl I'm like, "I don't know."
710
00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,535
And you were at Sylvia Young
at this point? Yeah.
711
00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:11,135
So they're thinking, like,
"This is supposed to be your dream."
712
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:12,815
Like, "You're at a stage school."
Yeah.
713
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,495
"You want to be a singer and a star.
Why aren't you taking it seriously?"
714
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:19,455
You know, it's true.
715
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,695
I was a kid. I mean, what can I say?
716
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:26,415
It was moments where I felt
like I didn't realise...
717
00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,855
I didn't know what to do if my
par... If my mum was not
718
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,055
going to be around.
719
00:32:30,080 --> 00:32:32,295
You know, all those thoughts were
going on in my head.
720
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,415
I think that's something you carry
a little bit of,
721
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:37,215
or at least at some time in
the past maybe you carried
722
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:38,815
a little bit of guilt about.
723
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:40,375
No, I do.
724
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,495
At the same time, my parents
would keep all the stress
725
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:45,255
away from us.
726
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:47,735
They didn't put the cancer on us.
727
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,135
They didn't really bring...
728
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,335
...money issues to us.
729
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,575
I mean, I would see my mum kind
of ill - chemo, losing hair -
730
00:32:56,600 --> 00:33:00,655
but she never, like,
complained to us.
731
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,175
They were really good
at protecting us.
732
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:12,255
INTERCOM BEEPS
733
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,415
GATE UNLOCKS
Oh, that was easy.
734
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:15,855
Thank you.
735
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:19,055
Hello!
736
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,575
Nice to see you. Welcome.
737
00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:22,855
Well, this is fabulous.
738
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:25,015
Welcome to the family house.
Gosh.
739
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:26,335
In North West London,
740
00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:29,175
I had a dinner invitation
to Rita's family home...
741
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:30,655
Nice to meet you. You must be Vera.
742
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,615
I'm Vera. How do you do?
Thanks for having us.
743
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:33,855
Welcome to our house.
744
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:37,655
...with Mum, Vera, Dad, Nik, and
the full complement of Ora siblings.
745
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:42,615
The house was one Rita had bought
eight years ago.
746
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:43,895
I'm fine.
747
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,655
We cleaned up a bit for you.
748
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,655
It's such a... It's so nice!
It's not usually like this. Wow.
749
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,495
It's really not usually like this.
750
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:51,935
Oh, there's my brother!
751
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,815
Hi. You must be Don. Yeah,
pleasure to meet you.
752
00:33:53,840 --> 00:33:54,895
Louis. Likewise.
753
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,015
Am I right in thinking that
you're all staying here -
754
00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,735
because you're back from LA,
but basically you've kind of
755
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,935
reconstituted the nuclear family
arrangement?
756
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,895
Yeah, so... Like, all five of you
are under the roof?
757
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:08,335
2.5, yes. Can you imagine?
758
00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:10,495
It feels like the premise for
a sitcom,
759
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:14,455
like "international pop star moves
back in with her parents."
760
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,495
Everyone has their own room
and it stays as they left it.
761
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:21,975
So... Very cute. It's, in a way,
you know... Frozen in time.
762
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,735
No, it's, in a way, an invitation.
763
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,815
So wherever they are,
they are always, you know,
764
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,495
welcome here, and should be here,
I think. That's nice.
765
00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,135
Aw! It's nice to feel
that you have that.
766
00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:37,215
The family had arrived in London
31 years earlier, after fleeing
767
00:34:37,240 --> 00:34:40,255
the outbreak of war
in the former Yugoslavia.
768
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:43,375
In terms of arriving here as
a family, as refugees -
769
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:44,895
can I use that word?
770
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:48,215
Yeah. Yeah.
What was the experience like?
771
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:52,055
We actually didn't know
what we expected here,
772
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:56,095
but after seeing what happened
in Croatia and Bosnia, and starting
773
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,295
in Kosovo, the main thing
was for our two girls
774
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:01,615
at that time to be safe. Mm.
775
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:02,935
What was it like?
776
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:06,215
Was it relatively
straightforward to get settled?
777
00:35:06,240 --> 00:35:08,575
Vera, you... Do you remember it?
778
00:35:08,600 --> 00:35:10,895
I don't... No, no, it wasn't
straightforward.
779
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,775
I came quite happy and enthusiastic
and everything else,
780
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:18,495
but then reality hit me,
as a woman, as a mother,
781
00:35:18,520 --> 00:35:20,415
and I couldn't speak the language.
782
00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:25,215
So the girls started learning
and... Much quicker than me.
783
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:29,175
And, yeah, Elena was helping
to interpret, even.
784
00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:33,575
I remember when I took them
to the GP and I was...
785
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,655
It makes me sad because...
786
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:38,455
Yeah.
787
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,655
It makes me sad because then I used
her as my interpreter,
788
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:46,695
and I know probably it felt
really difficult
789
00:35:46,720 --> 00:35:48,655
for her being under stress.
790
00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:52,295
Nik, do you want to talk now?
791
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,335
LAUGHTER
You're fine!
792
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,975
You were going through a lot,
too, weren't you?
793
00:35:57,000 --> 00:36:00,815
Yeah. Yeah, because I think
I took it a bit harder
794
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:04,975
because I was a doctor, and then
I just became a housewife,
795
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:06,375
which was fine.
796
00:36:06,400 --> 00:36:09,975
Now, looking back, actually, I used
that time to raise the girls
797
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,215
and to spend time with them, and...
798
00:36:13,240 --> 00:36:16,735
But at that time, I thought,
"Oh, my God, I'm not working.
799
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:19,935
"I was a doctor. What am I
supposed to do now?"
800
00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,135
I had to start all over again,
801
00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:25,935
to take my medical exams,
because I had a gap of
802
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,575
seven, eight years that I hadn't
clone medicine.
803
00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:29,735
But I did it.
804
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,055
I'm very happy that I'm doing
the job I'm doing,
805
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,975
now that I'm working for the NHS.
806
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:35,375
It's a lot to do.
807
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,255
That's incredible, really.
808
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:40,255
So we're going to look at
a few photos.
809
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:41,655
Yeah, come on, let's have a look.
810
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:42,935
The family album.
811
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,175
Well, I just thought
it'd be really nice to...
812
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:47,535
It's nice that you've got
them in physical form.
813
00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,055
I know. Do you... Guys, come on!
Come and sit.
814
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:51,295
Come on. What's happening?
815
00:36:51,320 --> 00:36:53,615
Don't suddenly get camera-shy!
816
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,855
But don't you think back to times
when you were living and it was hard
817
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,255
and then sometimes that's
the happiest time, isn't it?
818
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,135
There's one video here where
we were staying briefly
819
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:05,375
in, like, a room, and I...
820
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,615
I want you to watch this.
Let's watch it.
821
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:09,215
How big was the flat?
822
00:37:09,240 --> 00:37:10,415
Erm, it was that. That's it.
823
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,655
That room. just one room? Mm-hm.
824
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,015
MUSIC PLAYS ON FILM
825
00:37:14,040 --> 00:37:16,015
Yeah, we all just danced.
826
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:19,055
BABY CRI ES
827
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,415
VERA: Oh, she stepped on him!
I just pushed him out the way!
828
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:23,535
THEY LAUGH
829
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,015
Did you step on his foot?
830
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,015
Yes, and I don't care - look.
831
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,855
Oh, no.
832
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:31,175
FILM: # Happy Birthday to you... #
833
00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:32,895
That's me singing Happy Birthday.
834
00:37:35,240 --> 00:37:38,335
He's looking like,
"What is going on?"
835
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,095
He's just tried to touch the candle.
836
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:42,575
What's wrong with you?
837
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:43,615
I know.
838
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:48,015
I'm trying to make him
blow the candle.
839
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:51,015
That's so lovely.
840
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,295
We had so much happiness and there
was always music playing still.
841
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,815
We didn't care
and we were just together.
842
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,095
We're lucky to have each
other, you know? So...
843
00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:10,695
It's such a big deal.
844
00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:12,215
Yay!
845
00:38:15,240 --> 00:38:17,815
Vera, I know you're keen to get
going with the cooking, aren't you?
846
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:19,175
I'm not doing it on my own.
847
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,055
We have to turn it into a ball.
Mum, show him.
848
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,575
You can do that as well,
but I usually do this.
849
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:25,735
I made a hole.
850
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,175
Any wine?
851
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:28,935
Any wine or some water?
852
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:32,495
A little glass of wine
would be nice.
853
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:33,695
Red? Please.
854
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,815
Vera had enlisted my help to make
a Kosovan dish called pite.
855
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:40,295
The best dish ever.
856
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,495
It's spinach pie.
857
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:46,255
Ancl I think it's a good reminder
for my family to get together
858
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,855
because they don't have it
elsewhere.
859
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,655
Maybe it's gone a bit dishevelled
because we've been talking
860
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,695
and it's gone a bit.
No, it looks fine.
861
00:38:54,720 --> 00:38:58,015
It's going to be good.
It's going to be so good!
862
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:01,535
The journey that your family went
on and the trials that they went
863
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:05,495
through, that you all went through,
and the sacrifices they made
864
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,775
have given you a sense of
responsibility.
865
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:12,695
When you come from nothing
and you get something, you always
866
00:39:12,720 --> 00:39:15,375
have that fear that you're going
to end up again with nothing
867
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:17,295
because you know how it feels.
868
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:22,655
So when I had like a taste of some
sort of success, I was like,
869
00:39:22,680 --> 00:39:24,935
I can't fail, you know?
870
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:30,975
So anything that sort of triggers
that emotion of
871
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,655
it can all go like that...
872
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,095
...it brings back how it felt
when I...when you have nothing,
873
00:39:39,120 --> 00:39:41,735
I'm doing this for not
just myself.
874
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:46,535
Ancl I definitely didn't
want to fail.
875
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,335
But do you think if you felt she
was struggling or if in any way...
876
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,295
Because there's a lot of toll that
comes with being in the public eye,
877
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:55,815
right? Do you keep an eye on that?
878
00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,575
There were times when she was really
stressed and I got worried,
879
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:03,295
to be honest, and it was
heartbreaking.
880
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:07,735
Ancl there's moments where I run home
and I say, look, this is a lot
881
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,775
and I don't know what to do.
882
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:14,655
What do you guys think?
883
00:40:14,680 --> 00:40:17,135
That looks good.
Thank you so much for having me.
884
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:20,255
I really appreciate it, to your good
health. Thanks for coming and doing
885
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,415
this. Thank you. It was an hon our to
have you here.
886
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:23,615
Thank you very much.
887
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,215
Thank you so much for coming by.
888
00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,015
Let me see all your faces.
889
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,455
Let me see you.
890
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,415
CHEERING
891
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:42,415
I've been doing this for ten-plus
years.
892
00:40:42,440 --> 00:40:46,815
Every time I come back here,
back in Albania,
893
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:48,815
I can always count
on you to show up.
894
00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:52,335
Thank you so much for showing up
tonight. You're so amazing.
895
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:06,095
As Rita left the stage, I reflected
on the journey she and her family
896
00:41:06,120 --> 00:41:10,215
had been on, fleeing a beleaguered
nation, then achieving a level
897
00:41:10,240 --> 00:41:14,615
of success in a new land that must
at one time have been unimaginable.
898
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,175
Bye, Louis. I'll say bye-bye.
899
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,415
Travel safe.
900
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:30,415
Thank you for coming.
I hope you had fun.
901
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,495
Travel safe. Thank you. Thank you.
902
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:35,815
FIREWORKS
903
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,095
I mean, in a way, it's sort of glib,
904
00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:01,335
but you are a true success story,
905
00:42:01,360 --> 00:42:04,695
someone who came from...
Children of refugees fleeing
906
00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:07,415
an unstable political situation.
907
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:11,375
And then now you're a
world-bestriding pop songstress,
908
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:14,615
actor, model, and you being
outspoken about not hiding your
909
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:16,735
Kosovan-ness, that's your
life story.
910
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:18,215
I like that, Kosovan-ness.
911
00:42:18,240 --> 00:42:20,975
Yeah, your Kosovan-anity. In a way,
you're putting it on the map.
912
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,215
Yeah.
913
00:42:22,240 --> 00:42:25,735
Being in the industry for over ten
years, I've suddenly felt
914
00:42:25,760 --> 00:42:28,135
a sense of calmness, weirdly.
915
00:42:28,160 --> 00:42:31,175
Maybe that has a lot
to do with my personal life,
916
00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:34,335
but also my confidence musically.
917
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:38,935
Ancl so I think I've just reached
a point where I'm just very much
918
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:40,295
contained and settled.
919
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,135
Yeah, I'm very happy
to be where I'm at.
920
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:48,695
Have you read the papers
in the last 12 hours?
921
00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:51,095
What's happened now?
Should I congratulate you?
922
00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:54,615
They're reporting that you
and Taika... Spill it.
923
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:56,935
...Taika Waititi are engaged.
924
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,575
I mean, that's definitely
been a conversation,
925
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:01,975
but it's just really difficult
at the moment.
926
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,215
Congratulations.
Thank you.
927
00:43:03,240 --> 00:43:04,935
So you're talking about getting
married.
928
00:43:04,960 --> 00:43:08,575
Well, it's something that I've
always dreamed of since I was a kid.
929
00:43:08,600 --> 00:43:11,015
Yeah. Ancl it's definitely...
This is with Taika, now you've
930
00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:12,975
got an actual human to go
with the dream.
931
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,295
He definitely is a great human.
932
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,935
And he's the one.
933
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:17,335
Yeah, he's awesome.
934
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,095
Amazing. We're clone.
Thanks, Rita.
935
00:43:22,120 --> 00:43:25,095
You and Taika have a very
similar sense of humour.
936
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:26,815
How's Taika doing?
He's good.
937
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:30,775
He's in New York at the moment
doing a Time 100 Gala.
938
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:32,615
Yeah. Not a big deal.
939
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:34,935
One of the 100 most influential...
940
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:36,855
Yawn. Oh, don't tell him that.
941
00:43:36,880 --> 00:43:38,935
Boring! Boring.
942
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:43,975
Oh. Whatever.