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[man 1] The thing that makes anthrax
a exquisite biological weapon
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isn't because it kills
at a high frequency.
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It isn't because it's communicable,
like COVID's communicable,
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you get that from your neighbor.
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It's because it has a spore.
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The spore form can exist for decades.
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You can't get rid of it.
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Once those spores get inside the body,
then, of course,
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they germinate and take over
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and will kill an animal.
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The spores, then, get back into the soil.
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It has to kill in order to survive.
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[tense music builds]
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It has to kill to complete its life cycle.
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[police sirens wailing]
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[indistinct radio chatter]
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[reporter 1] At the American Media
Incorporated building in Boca Raton.
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The building has been sealed
and anthrax has now been detected
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on a computer keyboard
used by 63-year-old Bob Stevens.
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He's the first person in the U.S.
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to die of the extremely rare form
of the disease in 25 years.
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[reporter 2] Investigators believe
he contracted this anthrax naturally,
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which means it must have come from soil
or from a farm animal.
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[reporter 3] Do we know…?
Sir, was this inhalation anthrax?
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Was this fellow a hunter?
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It appears, at this point in time,
it's inhalation.
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[reporter 3] Do we know
if he was a hunter?
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We don't-- We don't know.
We know he was an outdoorsman.
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[reporter 4] Mister Secretary, any reason
to believe this is a result of terrorism?
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It appears that this
is just an isolated case.
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There's no evidence of terrorism.
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[man 2] Soon after 9/11,
I get a phone call from a FBI scientist,
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and he starts to tell me
about this unusual case of anthrax.
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They were reporting that he had pulmonary,
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or inhalational anthrax.
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And so they did a spinal tap.
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The bacterium bacillus anthracis.
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It spread everywhere,
even into his central nervous system.
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Anthrax would not be a good death.
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You'd spike a high fever,
you'd feel very terrible,
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and then you'd crash and die.
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In Palm Beach County, Florida,
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dozens of anxious office workers
were screened for signs of bacteria today.
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[woman 1] Didn't sleep very well.
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They told me to get my son
'cause he's been in the building.
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When you don't really have a direction,
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then you have to look at every direction.
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We didn't know what we had.
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We had someone who had died
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from anthrax poisoning.
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The question is, how did it get there?
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[Paul] So the FBI said,
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"We want to send you a sample
so that you can analyze the DNA."
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We were expected to perform,
and we needed to do this fast.
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[car horns honking]
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[reporter 5] President Bush
told Americans there's progress
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in the search for those
believed to be responsible
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for the September terrorist attacks.
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[George W. Bush] My focus
is bringing Al-Qaeda to justice.
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[reporter 6] Mr. Bush urged Americans
to go about their lives.
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To fly on airplanes, to go to work.
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But he also said
they should use common sense
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and report things that seem suspicious.
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Good morning, I'm Andy Lack. I'm with NBC.
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I'm here with the Mayor.
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This morning, we received a positive test
for cutaneous anthrax
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for one of our colleagues
who works on Nightly News.
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[newscaster 1] A floor of the NBC
television network headquarters,
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closed down.
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Authorities determining
if any other traces
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of the anthrax bacteria are present.
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[inaudible]
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[woman 2] They said that
somebody in the building had anthrax.
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That was frightening.
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You know, you could die from it. Right?
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[security guard] Excuse me, please.
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[Rudy Giuliani] At NBC, there's one
other person who handled the letter
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who is now confirmed
to have developed cutaneous anthrax.
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[policeman] Get him out of here.
Get him out of here.
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-[horn honks]
-Come on, let's go!
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In this huge stack of mail,
I saw this letter.
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[woman 3] When I open the letter,
I got chills all over. So…
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It said, "9/11/01."
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"Death to America. Death to Israel."
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"Allah is great."
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And inside was
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what appeared to be, to me, it looked like
a combination of brown sugar and sand.
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I took the substance
and I dumped it into the trash.
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I just was incredibly sick.
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I felt like there was something running
through my whole body and my veins.
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My doctors gave me an antibiotic.
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I could have died easily
if I had just one misstep,
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or if I decided I was going to smell that,
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you know, the anthrax,
I would have been dead.
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[Casey] We had a car waiting downstairs
to take us to the FBI.
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You know, we're whisked away
in a black car.
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I remember I looked over
at the ticker by the Today Show
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and it was like, "Anthrax at NBC,"
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and I thought,
"Oh, my God, this is crazy."
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[Brad] The big fear was this is
the second wave of a terrorist attack,
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and now we've got an Islamic terrorist
group that's sending out poison to people.
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It just feels so vulnerable now because
you don't know what's gonna happen,
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where it's gonna happen.
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[Brad] The real concern at that point is,
are there more of these?
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[siren wailing]
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This comes to us from Washington, D.C.
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President Bush just announced,
uh, from the Rose Garden
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that, uh, Senate Majority Leader
Tom Daschle,
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um, has reported seeing
a suspicious letter,
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and that the authorities believe
that letter contains anthrax.
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I did contact
each of the other members of leadership.
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If it happened in my office,
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it could happen elsewhere.
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[reporter 7] Law enforcement officials
say they now have reason to believe
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that there may be a connection
between the Daschle case in Washington,
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the NBC News case in New York,
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and the tabloid newspaper case in Florida.
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[George W. Bush]
I will answer a couple of questions.
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[overlapping chatter]
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The anthrax attacks, sir,
do you believe there is any connection
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to Bin Laden's organization?
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Well, there may be some possible link.
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He and his spokesman are openly
bragging about how they hope to inflict
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more pain on our country.
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I wouldn't put it past him but we
don't have hard evidence yet. Yeah, Ron.
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[newscaster 1] The seven-month-old son
of an ABC News employee…
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[newscaster 2] …a worker at
the New York Post was diagnosed…
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[newscaster 3] An assistant to CBS News
anchor, Dan Rather, exposed as well.
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Do you know how much mail,
how many packages I've opened?
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I don't want to touch the mail.
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It's a new form of human warfare.
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Kathy Nguyen did die
due to inhalation anthrax.
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This time it's a woman in Connecticut.
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[reporter 8] …provided more questions
than answers.
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Until there is a suspect, no one will
know whether this was a terrorist act
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and whether it is related
to the September 11 terrorists
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who tried to rent a crop dusting aircraft.
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[newscaster 4]
If we're really being honest,
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if America is prepared
for a chemical attack,
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the answer is no.
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Oh, my god!
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Maybe we shouldn't be talking here.
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Maybe there's anthrax
flying around in the air.
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[reporter 9] Pharmacy supplies
of the antibiotic Cipro,
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one of the drugs
known to fight anthrax, are thin.
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[reporter 10] Gas masks
sell out in Los Angeles.
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It's probably a little paranoia,
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but I'm not gonna take the chance.
That's all.
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We face an enemy as ruthless
and unpredictable as any we've ever faced.
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[reporter 11] And the road back to
a sense of security could be a long one.
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I feel like I go to work, I don't know
what's going to happen next.
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[Brad] The mail system
touches the entire United States.
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[ominous music playing]
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And so the potential of these letters
going to whomever was huge.
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How in the world are we gonna
get our arms around this quickly?
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One of America's most
distinguished scientists, Dr. Paul Keim.
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[applause]
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[Paul] Early in the investigation,
I thought it was a foreign source
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associated with
Al-Qaeda and the 9/11 attacks,
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but we got the data and we started
comparing it to our databases.
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And it matched up with this strain
that we call the Ames strain.
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Everybody was silent
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because at that point,
the only examples of the Ames strain,
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even to this day, the only examples of the
Ames strain that we have in our database
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originate in American laboratories.
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The person that we were pursuing
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was one of us.
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[theme music playing]
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[reporter] Barbara Hatch Rosenberg
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believes the anthrax attack
is an inside job.
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What many consider to be
the largest FBI investigation in history.
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This is criminal intent to commit murder.
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[man] We will find the perpetrators
of anthrax
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and we will punish the guilty
for their crimes.
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[indistinct chatter]
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[bell ringing]
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Hi.
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[crew member] Final touches.
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[indistinct chatter in background]
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[crew member] Sound check, please.
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One, two, one, two.
Testing. One, two, three, four.
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Okay.
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[crew member speaking indistinctly]
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[tense music playing]
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My name is Dr. Bruce Edward Ivins.
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I am a Department of Defense researcher
at USAMRIID.
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That's the United States Army Medical
Research Institute of Infectious Diseases.
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[Bruce] For me, it's a real thrill
to make a discovery
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and know that I've just revealed something
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that no one else in the world
ever knew before.
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[man 1] Morning, sir.
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[Bruce] I feel like a detective
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and that which is unknown
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dares me to try to find out about it.
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[beep]
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[man 2] Bruce Ivins, he struck me
as somewhat eccentric,
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but he had a worldwide reputation
as one of the experts on anthrax.
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He was extremely well thought of.
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As opposed to being
aloof and self-important,
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-Bruce was neither of those things.
-[woman] Hey, Bruce.
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[bluegrass music playing]
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[music halts]
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It is clear that the terrorists
responsible for these attacks
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intended to use this anthrax
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as a weapon.
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We still don't know who is responsible.
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As you look at him,
I could see how he could be a suspect.
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[Vince] Whoever committed
this act of bioterrorism
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is somebody with
a pretty extensive scientific background
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and access to deadly spores.
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I mean, one of the challenges we had
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was relying on the scientific community.
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-Yeah.
…to help us in the investigation.
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What time?
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How do we know
that they were being helpful?
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[machine whirring]
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And so, Bruce was definitely
somebody that needed to be looked at.
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[tense music playing]
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[Brad] Any time you interview somebody,
particularly on something at this level,
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would be a little bit,
I suppose, like a chess match
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because you're dealing
with somebody that's clearly intelligent.
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You're obviously trying to get them
to tell you what they have done,
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if in fact they've done anything.
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-Really sorry to keep you guys waiting.
-Not a problem.
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We appreciate--
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I was working in the hot suite
and it's quite a process to de-gown.
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Let me tell you.
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Have a seat, Doctor.
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Yeah, thank you.
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I'm Special Agent Hayward.
This is my partner, Agent Braxton.
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I'm very happy to meet you.
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We appreciate your help
with the sample analysis.
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[Bruce] Of course, my pleasure.
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[Hayward] You say here the, uh, spores
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found in the letters
are not garage spores.
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What does that mean?
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It means they're highly purified.
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99% refractile.
No vegetative cells or debris.
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Any idea who could make
something like this?
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Uh…
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Someone with specialized training.
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Someone with access
to industrial manufacturing tools.
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Oh, so, someone like you.
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[chuckles] I wish.
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To produce powder
of that purity from wet spores,
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you'd need serious equipment.
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Much better than we have in this dump.
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We were stuck from the standpoint that
we really did have to rely on the people
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that were the experts.
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[Brad] But the problem we had was,
we had zero evidence
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that one of these scientists
was the ultimate culprit.
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And so, you know, the question
is how to stop this anthrax thing
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where we had no clue
when it would stop, if it would stop.
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[foreboding music playing]
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[reporter 1] Good evening, Tom.
Military experts say
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the powder in that letter
sent to Senator Daschle
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was the same biological type
as in the other letters.
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But so pure and so extremely fine,
it was clearly designed to kill.
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Inside that innocent-looking…
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[woman] When we heard about
the Daschle letter,
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that's when it felt closer to home.
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I was like, "Wow, in order for them
to get their mail,
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it has to come through Brentwood."
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So I kinda, like,
went inside myself just to stay calm.
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This mail had to come through
our building.
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[dramatic music playing]
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[Paul] These letters
are pushed through rollers,
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and then the spores
that are inside the letter
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could doubtlessly
get pushed out through any cracks.
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A little bit of that powder gets out,
and it just flies.
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I want to thank you
for joining us here today.
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As, you know, one letter
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from among the more than
3.5 million pieces of mail
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handled here each day
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contained Anthrax.
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That letter was extremely well sealed,
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and there is only a minute chance
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that anthrax spores
escaped from it into this facility.
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[camera shutters clicking]
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When it first hit the national news,
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I said to myself, "Oh, boy."
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My brother Joe dealt with all the mail
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that would come through Brentwood
at that time.
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I talked to him on the phone.
I said, "Joe, please. Please be careful."
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And he said, "I will, I am."
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I just had this feeling of foreboding.
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Knowing that you probably
in a place that's not safe,
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but then somebody's telling you it's safe
and you're trying to trust them.
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And then you find out
later you can't trust 'em at all.
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[man 3] Our plant manager said,
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"We're going to have
some people come in and test."
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"They're gonna have on
the Hazmat gear from head to toe."
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Why did they have
Hazmat gear on if everything was safe?
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[interviewer] Just to be clear,
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you guys could see people in moon suits
walking around the plant?
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Yes.
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They just told us
to stay out of their way.
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[technician] Six FKC pumps
for an unknown volume flow…
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And then, our plant manager goes,
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"You know what,
if we shut the building down,
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then the terrorists wins."
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Why would you feel that we should not
have been tested and the building closed?
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They were telling the media
and the workers the same thing.
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"It's nothing to worry about."
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"Anthrax isn't in the building."
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And that's when it happened.
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Our chests started to hurt.
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All of us started having
dizziness or, um, headaches,
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and I could see Joseph Curseen.
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He sat on there
and his head was kind of down.
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That stood out because he's--
he had never taken a sick day off work.
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And then not long after that,
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you start hearing about
another postal worker, Thomas Morris.
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[Thomas]
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-[static hisses]
-[Thomas] Um…
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[static hisses]
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[Thomas]
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[phone line clicks]
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[Joan] It was early in the morning
when Joe's wife woke up.
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Joe wasn't there in the bed,
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she went to their bathroom
and he was sprawled out.
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I don't know whether he had
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defecated on himself--
I mean, he was just out.
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He was that sick
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and she called the ambulance,
called my parents,
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um,
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and when they got there,
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they could…
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I guess they took them to an area,
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and they could actually hear him heaving.
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And I tried to call home
and I kept calling and calling.
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That's when my mother
told me Joe was dead.
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And I dropped the phone and, uh…
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[man 4] A short while ago, I briefed
the president with the latest facts
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on the anthrax situation, as we know them.
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Two postal employees
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who work at the Brentwood Mail Facility
here in Washington, D.C.
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became critically ill,
tragically, ultimately passed away.
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[Joan] That Saturday, we buried Joe.
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And, let me tell you something.
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If it weren't for my faith,
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I would have lost my mind
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behind losing my brother,
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especially like that.
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[George W. Bush]
We mourn the loss of the lives
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of Thomas Morris and Joseph Curseen.
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Postal workers
who died in the line of duty.
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We have seen
the horrors terrorists can inflict.
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Overseas,
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and here at home.
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But one thing is for certain.
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These terrorists must be pursued.
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They must be defeated.
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And they must be brought to justice.
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[applause]
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[Brad] As far as high-profile,
pressurized cases,
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I can't think of anything as big as this.
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[dramatic music playing]
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We were, many times on a weekly basis,
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going to FBI headquarters
and briefing the director
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as to what's going on in this case.
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Good morning. I want you to know
our investigators are hard at work.
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Are hard at work in New York, in Florida,
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in New Jersey, uh, in D.C.,
and throughout the country.
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You gotta get this solved
and we need to move on here.
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We're not in a position at this point
to determine, uh,
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those who are responsible.
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I'm just gonna leave it there.
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[reporter 2] A biological killer
sent through the mail.
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The letters killed five people…
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…and made 17 others sick.
The case remains an unsolved mystery.
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[Brad] Over a period of time,
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the case agents and the postal inspectors
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were able to develop,
sort of, the movement
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of these letters
from a particular mailbox,
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which was Princeton, New Jersey.
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Postal inspectors
take these mailings very seriously.
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This afternoon, I am announcing the offer
of a reward of up to $1 million.
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Quickly you want to figure out
how to rule people out
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and how to rule people in.
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And so, we were looking
at every possible angle one could.
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Right? Someone at some point noticed
that certain letters were heavily bolded.
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Some of the A's and the T's.
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What does that mean?
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Maybe it means nothing,
but maybe it means something.
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What could it mean?
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It's another thing to look at as
you're trying to narrow down who did this.
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[Bruce] This is the coolest part.
Look at this.
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The elongated morphology.
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These, uh, centipede-looking things?
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[Bruce] Each bacterium is coated
with a smooth mono-amino acid shell
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that blocks the T-cells
from recognizing it as a pathogen.
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Understand?
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Not a word. Continue.
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[Bruce] That's how it survives.
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It makes itself seem harmless,
slips past the defenses.
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Even though there's about 15 labs
that produce the Ames strain,
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it's still sort of a needle in a haystack
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because you have no idea
which lab it came from.
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There was a couple of scientists
at USAMRIID
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who were working directly
with the powders from the letters.
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[tense ambient music playing]
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They noticed that when they plated
the spores out onto Petri dishes
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at a small frequency,
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some of the anthrax looked different.
It had different morphology.
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And those differences then
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would be a way to figure out,
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not just whether you have the Ames strain,
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but whether you actually
have the Ames strain
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that ended up in the anthrax letters.
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And sure enough, all of those samples
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that had the morphs were at USAMRIID.
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[Jeffrey] USAMRIID was founded
in the early '70s
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as a biological defense organization.
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In particular, infectious diseases
that have been weaponized.
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So, like most of our scientists,
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I had this nagging sense that
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we, or somebody that we knew,
would be caught up,
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um, and… and accused of being behind this.
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When, in fact,
we had nothing to do with it.
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Doctor, for the record…
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Were you involved in any way
in the anthrax mailings
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of September and October, 2001?
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Absolutely not.
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Any ideas who might have been?
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Oh, yes. Lots.
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Not only do these two
particular researchers
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have access to the original strain, they--
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They also routinely make serial dilutions.
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We keep a detailed record
of all that activity.
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Appreciate your help.
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We'll be in touch.
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[departing footsteps]
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[Paul] The FBI said, "Okay,
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all the people
who had access to the Ames strain,
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send us a sample."
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Under subpoena,
all of the scientists at USAMRIID,
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including Bruce, would have had
to have gone into their collection,
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sampled each of their tubes,
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and then the FBI would have sent
that to my laboratory for DNA analysis,
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and also for long-term storage.
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[ominous music playing]
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And when they did the analysis
for the morphs,
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none of the scientists' tubes
have the morphs.
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And so they weren't part
of the anthrax letters sources.
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[woman on TV] Early on, many…
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[Paul] Bruce was in the clear.
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The anthrax was identified
as the Ames strain,
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commonly used in U.S. government labs.
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One of those labs is located on the
Fort Detrick Army Base in Maryland,
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but without a solid suspect,
conspiracy theories persist,
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especially since the killer
hasn't struck again.
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Michael Jordan, in his first comments
since confirming his NBA comeback says…
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[Braxton] You said you had
something for us.
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[Bruce] I sure do. This is really cool.
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You're gonna love this. It's…
Okay, here we go.
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[Brad] Now that Bruce Ivins
had been eliminated as a suspect…
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[sniffles]
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…he could help us maybe narrow this down.
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[Hayward] These are anthrax cultures.
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Agent Hayward, I'm very impressed.
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Yes, that's exactly what those are.
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Those are from my personal stock,
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straight from the source.
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Bruce was really enamored
by the idea that, you know,
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his contributions and through his science
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would help them to solve this case.
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[Hayward] What else can you tell us?
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[Paul] Bruce's main project at the time
was a new vaccine.
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We were all vaccinated,
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but this was a vaccine
that went back decades and decades,
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and some people
who got that anthrax vaccine
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ended up with knots on their arms
the size of grapefruit.
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So he was trying to make a vaccine
that was just as effective,
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but didn't cause the side effects.
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He was normal for a scientist,
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but he was out there a little bit
by your general population.
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00:30:23,571 --> 00:30:28,284
He definitely was one of those geeky,
nerdy guys that you see across the room.
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Like me. Like me. [laughs]
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[sharp exhale]
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Okay, so, here are some of the most
objectionable aspects about me.
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One.
490
00:30:43,675 --> 00:30:47,220
Giving bad advice
when no advice was asked for or needed.
491
00:30:48,054 --> 00:30:50,056
Two. Being demanding.
492
00:30:50,682 --> 00:30:53,768
Three. Asking personal questions
493
00:30:53,852 --> 00:30:58,106
that are none of my business,
also known as the "Grand Ivins Inquiry."
494
00:31:00,900 --> 00:31:02,986
[Jeffrey] He played piano,
495
00:31:03,069 --> 00:31:05,321
he fooled around with the banjo…
496
00:31:05,405 --> 00:31:07,240
You know, he had a lot
of talents like that.
497
00:31:07,323 --> 00:31:09,158
[bluegrass music plays]
498
00:31:09,242 --> 00:31:10,159
[man] Bruce!
499
00:31:10,243 --> 00:31:11,286
[Bruce] Shit!
500
00:31:12,203 --> 00:31:13,413
[Jeffrey chuckles]
501
00:31:13,496 --> 00:31:17,625
There's Bruce Ivins, you know,
doing, uh, something unusual again.
502
00:31:18,376 --> 00:31:20,837
[Bruce] Okay, so, four.
503
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,048
Interrupting people
and then monopolizing the conversations.
504
00:31:24,841 --> 00:31:27,635
-Five. Calling people at home.
-[line ringing]
505
00:31:27,719 --> 00:31:28,928
-[woman on phone] Hello?
-Hey.
506
00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:31,222
Six. Talking a mile a minute,
507
00:31:31,306 --> 00:31:35,018
and then asking several questions
without waiting for the answers.
508
00:31:36,644 --> 00:31:38,730
I think that pretty much covers it.
509
00:31:40,732 --> 00:31:42,984
♪ Pretty girl is waitin' ♪
510
00:31:43,067 --> 00:31:45,111
♪ On down the line ♪
511
00:31:45,194 --> 00:31:48,740
♪ And I'm on my long journey home ♪
512
00:31:48,823 --> 00:31:49,908
[song fades]
513
00:31:49,991 --> 00:31:53,369
[man on radio] By the time a piece of mail
makes it through the postal system,
514
00:31:53,453 --> 00:31:57,916
it is gathered and dumped and sorted,
shaken, jostled, and squeezed.
515
00:31:57,999 --> 00:32:00,710
So everyone's a little edgy,
516
00:32:00,793 --> 00:32:04,047
no group more so
than the nation's postal workers.
517
00:32:10,428 --> 00:32:14,974
[man] I'd just like to say that this is
a very sad time for the postal service.
518
00:32:15,683 --> 00:32:20,647
We mourn the loss
of two of our soldiers on the front line,
519
00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:24,150
and we're gonna do what we can, uh, to…
520
00:32:24,233 --> 00:32:25,944
to deliver America's mail.
521
00:32:29,989 --> 00:32:32,617
[Terrence] Finally, after ten days,
522
00:32:33,660 --> 00:32:35,578
the building had been shut down.
523
00:32:36,704 --> 00:32:41,834
They told us that everybody
more than likely had an exposure.
524
00:32:45,254 --> 00:32:47,173
[reporter 3] More than 2,200
D.C. postal workers
525
00:32:47,256 --> 00:32:50,093
have been urged
to get tested for Anthrax exposure.
526
00:32:50,176 --> 00:32:51,260
Employees are being…
527
00:32:51,344 --> 00:32:53,930
When it first came out,
when Congress got tested,
528
00:32:54,013 --> 00:32:55,723
everyone should have got tested.
529
00:32:57,225 --> 00:33:01,938
At Brentwood, they kept
the building open for 24 hours,
530
00:33:02,021 --> 00:33:04,107
seven days a week, for ten straight days.
531
00:33:04,190 --> 00:33:06,693
[dramatic music playing]
532
00:33:09,112 --> 00:33:12,907
[Terrence] There were forklifts,
power oxes riding through.
533
00:33:13,658 --> 00:33:16,411
People moving around,
shuffling, spores flying everywhere.
534
00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:19,038
Machines running 35 miles an hour.
535
00:33:24,544 --> 00:33:28,423
And when you look back
at the Hart Senate Office Building,
536
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:35,054
what we see is what a building really
looks like when people are in danger.
537
00:33:36,097 --> 00:33:38,057
About 10:30 a.m. this morning,
538
00:33:38,141 --> 00:33:42,270
my office, uh, opened
a suspicious package,
539
00:33:43,104 --> 00:33:44,439
and the good news is that,
540
00:33:45,023 --> 00:33:46,774
uh, everyone will be okay.
541
00:33:47,358 --> 00:33:49,569
That building was shut down in two hours.
542
00:33:51,571 --> 00:33:54,407
Evacuated everybody,
tested everybody, everybody's safe.
543
00:33:54,490 --> 00:33:57,201
Two hundred and forty hours
versus two hours.
544
00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:02,290
The dogs got Cipro
on Capitol Hill before we did.
545
00:34:09,172 --> 00:34:11,007
They say there were five deaths.
546
00:34:11,090 --> 00:34:13,009
Seventeen people got sick.
547
00:34:13,092 --> 00:34:15,720
No, they don't know how many people…
548
00:34:15,803 --> 00:34:21,100
My x-rays show that my lungs
look like I've been a heavy smoker,
549
00:34:21,642 --> 00:34:24,062
or like I have a lung disease.
550
00:34:24,145 --> 00:34:26,689
I never smoked a day in my life.
551
00:34:26,773 --> 00:34:30,818
When this happens to you,
you become obsessed.
552
00:34:34,322 --> 00:34:36,991
[woman] And then a picture
of the "No Photos" sign
553
00:34:37,075 --> 00:34:40,286
at the entrance
of the Brentwood Post Office,
554
00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:42,955
as well as the machinery
555
00:34:43,039 --> 00:34:44,665
and the tents
556
00:34:44,749 --> 00:34:50,004
in which these Hazmat teams, uh,
worked out of.
557
00:34:50,963 --> 00:34:56,177
The tunnels leading up
to the building to put the…
558
00:34:56,260 --> 00:34:57,887
[man 1] The chlorine dioxide.
559
00:34:57,970 --> 00:34:59,347
[woman] Dioxide…
560
00:34:59,430 --> 00:35:01,390
[man 2] Zoom in on… on…
561
00:35:03,851 --> 00:35:06,854
Okay, yeah.
They got warnings on the building here.
562
00:35:08,481 --> 00:35:12,485
[Dena] This was about them knowing
that the building was contaminated
563
00:35:12,568 --> 00:35:15,655
and keeping us in there
and jeopardizing our lives.
564
00:35:17,907 --> 00:35:19,659
They… They should have done better.
565
00:35:23,663 --> 00:35:26,666
[propulsive music playing]
566
00:35:29,001 --> 00:35:31,420
[reporter 4] For two months,
investigators have been searching
567
00:35:31,504 --> 00:35:33,965
for the culprit
in the anthrax-by-mail attacks.
568
00:35:34,465 --> 00:35:36,634
[car horns honking]
569
00:35:36,717 --> 00:35:40,847
That's one thing that lurks in the back
of a lot of postal people's mind,
570
00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:44,433
that it's been done once, and they
got away with it, they could do it again.
571
00:35:44,517 --> 00:35:46,435
And then we'll be right back
where we started.
572
00:35:48,312 --> 00:35:51,190
[reporter 5] Who sent letters laced
with the biological hazard and why?
573
00:35:51,941 --> 00:35:55,903
[reporter 6] An invisible enemy
killing Americans, one breath at a time.
574
00:35:57,196 --> 00:35:58,781
[reporter 7] Just like DNA,
575
00:35:58,865 --> 00:36:02,076
we're solving crimes today
that we couldn't solve ten years ago
576
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,037
because science has improved.
We hope that's going to be the case
577
00:36:05,121 --> 00:36:06,873
with the anthrax case also.
578
00:36:12,712 --> 00:36:15,590
[newscaster] It's been nine months
since the wave of deadly anthrax letters
579
00:36:15,673 --> 00:36:17,800
began passing through the U.S. mail.
580
00:36:17,884 --> 00:36:21,470
New York Times columnist
Nicholas Kristof joins us now live.
581
00:36:21,554 --> 00:36:24,182
You've come up
with some suspicions of your own.
582
00:36:24,265 --> 00:36:26,309
Why don't you
tell our viewers what they are?
583
00:36:26,392 --> 00:36:29,061
He's somebody
who's in the biodefense community,
584
00:36:29,145 --> 00:36:32,690
uh, in the kind of
military intelligence establishment.
585
00:36:32,773 --> 00:36:34,859
There's been a lot of buzz about him,
586
00:36:34,942 --> 00:36:40,615
uh, as somebody that people think
should be investigated a lot more closely.
587
00:36:44,702 --> 00:36:48,206
[woman] The block has been
kind of swarming with guys in suits.
588
00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:50,124
[brakes squealing]
589
00:36:53,336 --> 00:36:57,131
[woman] They just showed us a picture,
asked if we had recognized this fella.
590
00:36:58,216 --> 00:37:00,676
A gentleman with kind of dark hair,
a bushy mustache,
591
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:02,470
kind of close-set eyes.
592
00:37:02,553 --> 00:37:05,014
[tense music playing]
593
00:37:05,097 --> 00:37:07,058
[reporter 1] FBI agents
have searched the apartment
594
00:37:07,141 --> 00:37:10,478
of a former Army researcher
named Dr. Steven Hatfill.
595
00:37:12,688 --> 00:37:17,568
There was a lot of… aspects
of what Dr. Hatfill had done and said,
596
00:37:17,652 --> 00:37:21,239
uh, that made him, quite appropriately,
597
00:37:21,322 --> 00:37:22,990
the leading suspect.
598
00:37:23,074 --> 00:37:26,953
[man 1] He was fired in 1999
for violating lab procedures
599
00:37:27,036 --> 00:37:29,372
and then he got a job
with a government contractor
600
00:37:29,455 --> 00:37:32,500
and lost that security clearance
for that job,
601
00:37:32,583 --> 00:37:34,585
August 23rd of 2001.
602
00:37:34,669 --> 00:37:37,797
Just about a month
before the anthrax went in the mail.
603
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,509
[man 2] He was polygraphed three times,
each of those three showed evasions.
604
00:37:41,592 --> 00:37:43,719
[man 3] His resumes
were a skeleton of truth.
605
00:37:43,803 --> 00:37:45,888
[man 4] He was mad at the world,
at the government.
606
00:37:45,972 --> 00:37:49,850
[reporter 2] A study that he commissioned
described a fictional terrorist attack.
607
00:37:49,934 --> 00:37:52,478
[reporter 3] Federal agents searched
Steven Hatfill's Maryland home
608
00:37:52,561 --> 00:37:53,896
for a second time.
609
00:37:53,980 --> 00:37:57,483
Hatfill has denied any involvement
in the anthrax attacks.
610
00:37:58,609 --> 00:38:00,486
Let me just be clear here.
611
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:02,405
And to be fair.
612
00:38:03,531 --> 00:38:07,410
This is the first bio-terror attack
in our nation's history.
613
00:38:07,493 --> 00:38:09,745
None of us were prepared for it.
614
00:38:11,956 --> 00:38:16,502
It scared the American public.
It scared Congress.
615
00:38:16,585 --> 00:38:20,798
But nothing justified the treatment
that he received here, nothing whatsoever.
616
00:38:22,425 --> 00:38:24,468
I'll give you some sound checks, fellas.
617
00:38:24,552 --> 00:38:26,345
Tell me if this works for you.
618
00:38:26,429 --> 00:38:29,223
[Tom] And so I came on to represent him
619
00:38:29,307 --> 00:38:31,100
in a case that if it was brought,
620
00:38:31,183 --> 00:38:33,394
was undoubtedly
going to be a death penalty case.
621
00:38:34,103 --> 00:38:37,023
Dr. Hatfill deserves to get his life back,
622
00:38:37,648 --> 00:38:41,527
and the American public
deserves a real investigation.
623
00:38:41,610 --> 00:38:43,946
-[shutters clicking]
-[reporters chattering]
624
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:46,449
[Tom] Look what actually
happened here. Okay?
625
00:38:47,408 --> 00:38:49,452
They signal to the American public
626
00:38:49,535 --> 00:38:52,663
that Dr. Hatfill was the person
who committed this horrendous attack.
627
00:38:52,747 --> 00:38:54,582
[reporter] Is Dr. Hatfill a suspect?
628
00:38:55,207 --> 00:38:57,460
Well, he's a person of interest.
629
00:38:57,543 --> 00:38:58,586
"Person of interest."
630
00:38:58,669 --> 00:39:02,631
[overlapping reporters speaking]
Person of interest…
631
00:39:02,715 --> 00:39:05,718
[ominous music playing]
632
00:39:05,801 --> 00:39:09,597
It had such a huge draw from the media.
633
00:39:09,680 --> 00:39:11,390
And, like, they're all over the place,
634
00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:14,310
and there's helicopters
above his apartment.
635
00:39:15,144 --> 00:39:19,273
A couple of dopey agents
fell madly in love with him.
636
00:39:19,357 --> 00:39:22,234
It was like a teenage romance crush,
637
00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:25,863
and they just kept pushing
a round peg in a square hole.
638
00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:31,369
They essentially engaged in a campaign
639
00:39:31,452 --> 00:39:33,371
with their friends in the press
640
00:39:33,454 --> 00:39:36,082
to continually suggest
to the American public
641
00:39:36,165 --> 00:39:38,709
that Dr. Hatfill
has committed this offense.
642
00:39:38,793 --> 00:39:41,670
They did so without any evidence
because they were happy
643
00:39:41,754 --> 00:39:43,255
to have a patsy here,
644
00:39:43,339 --> 00:39:45,674
to suggest to the public
that we're making progress.
645
00:39:47,134 --> 00:39:50,221
It says to me that there's some
good gumshoe detective work going on
646
00:39:50,304 --> 00:39:52,014
and they're hot on the trail of somebody.
647
00:39:56,602 --> 00:39:59,688
People had differing views
about how much they believe
648
00:39:59,772 --> 00:40:02,149
whether Hatfill was the right guy or not.
649
00:40:02,233 --> 00:40:05,069
But the problem is they
just couldn't eliminate Steven.
650
00:40:05,861 --> 00:40:09,198
They had me
actually interview him more than once.
651
00:40:09,281 --> 00:40:13,077
You know, we start talking about,
you know, his history with anthrax.
652
00:40:15,329 --> 00:40:18,249
And he says, "You guys don't believe me."
653
00:40:18,332 --> 00:40:20,334
"You think I did this."
654
00:40:20,835 --> 00:40:23,879
And, you know,
my response to that was "Well, Steve,
655
00:40:23,963 --> 00:40:27,258
did you do it?" And he says,
"Of course not, I didn't do it."
656
00:40:28,551 --> 00:40:31,637
But the bureau still thought
he was the right guy,
657
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,764
and that's… that's why they moved forward.
658
00:40:34,682 --> 00:40:35,933
Now, one possible outcome
659
00:40:36,016 --> 00:40:40,354
sources suggest is that the government
could bring charges against Hatfill
660
00:40:40,438 --> 00:40:42,898
unrelated to the anthrax attacks at all,
661
00:40:42,982 --> 00:40:44,233
if they become convinced
662
00:40:44,316 --> 00:40:46,819
that's the only way
to stop future incidents…
663
00:40:46,902 --> 00:40:48,362
[newscaster] And still no arrests,
664
00:40:48,446 --> 00:40:52,032
even though investigators believe
they know who the culprit is
665
00:40:52,116 --> 00:40:53,492
and where he is.
666
00:40:53,576 --> 00:40:54,910
What's going on here?
667
00:40:54,994 --> 00:40:58,497
[ominous music playing]
668
00:40:58,581 --> 00:41:00,541
This is, like, real pressure.
669
00:41:00,624 --> 00:41:03,961
You have him under surveillance 24-7.
670
00:41:04,044 --> 00:41:06,839
You're following him every place he goes.
671
00:41:06,922 --> 00:41:09,675
[reporter] And he's often
publicly tailed by the FBI
672
00:41:09,758 --> 00:41:12,845
so closely that an agent drove over
his foot three months ago.
673
00:41:12,928 --> 00:41:14,138
[barking]
674
00:41:14,763 --> 00:41:16,390
The fuckin' dogs.
675
00:41:17,808 --> 00:41:19,435
They opened the doors of the apartment
676
00:41:19,518 --> 00:41:22,605
and one of the dogs just
excitedly bounded across the room
677
00:41:22,688 --> 00:41:24,815
and went straight up to Dr. Hatfill.
678
00:41:25,900 --> 00:41:29,195
Now, what they didn't tell
679
00:41:29,278 --> 00:41:32,740
was that the dogs
alerted on eight or nine other scientists.
680
00:41:33,949 --> 00:41:37,244
So, that's the equivalent
of saying-- telling your boss,
681
00:41:37,328 --> 00:41:39,914
"Hey, I've got Dan's
fingerprints on a gun,"
682
00:41:39,997 --> 00:41:41,248
and not telling him,
683
00:41:41,332 --> 00:41:45,586
"By the way, I got ten other fingerprints
on the gun that aren't Dan's."
684
00:41:45,669 --> 00:41:48,088
This is in-your-face harassment.
685
00:41:48,672 --> 00:41:50,299
This was not surveillance.
686
00:41:50,382 --> 00:41:52,718
This was a design to sweat him.
687
00:41:54,053 --> 00:41:58,224
The pressure the criminal suspect has
when the FBI has them under scrutiny,
688
00:41:58,307 --> 00:42:00,434
can lead them to break
and do awful things,
689
00:42:00,518 --> 00:42:02,061
including committing suicide.
690
00:42:02,645 --> 00:42:04,730
He was so… [hesitates]
691
00:42:04,813 --> 00:42:07,399
…distressed about the media,
692
00:42:07,483 --> 00:42:09,443
and for whatever reason,
693
00:42:09,527 --> 00:42:11,779
they knew where
we were going to interview him.
694
00:42:12,821 --> 00:42:15,199
I mean, it got so bad at one location
695
00:42:15,282 --> 00:42:19,203
that we actually put him in the back
of a vehicle and took him to a hotel.
696
00:42:23,499 --> 00:42:26,502
[Rachel] I wasn't there and I'm not
going to judge the day-to-day on that,
697
00:42:26,585 --> 00:42:27,586
but I will say,
698
00:42:27,670 --> 00:42:32,091
when you have somebody who you think
committed this major bioweapons attack,
699
00:42:32,174 --> 00:42:34,802
you're gonna want to look
at every aspect of his life
700
00:42:34,885 --> 00:42:37,846
and you're going to want
to interview his friends
701
00:42:37,930 --> 00:42:40,599
and you're going to want to perhaps
physically surveil him.
702
00:42:40,683 --> 00:42:44,520
It's… It frankly would be malpractice
if they hadn't done some of those things.
703
00:42:45,271 --> 00:42:47,398
[Tom] Of course he should
have been investigated.
704
00:42:47,481 --> 00:42:50,359
No one has ever complained
705
00:42:50,442 --> 00:42:52,861
that the FBI shouldn't have looked at him.
706
00:42:52,945 --> 00:42:54,321
The complaint is,
707
00:42:54,863 --> 00:42:59,535
you wrenched him from all the other people
that they were looking at
708
00:42:59,618 --> 00:43:02,830
and put him forefront
in the American public and said,
709
00:43:02,913 --> 00:43:03,956
"He's our guy."
710
00:43:04,039 --> 00:43:06,584
That's what happened here,
and that's the complaint.
711
00:43:06,667 --> 00:43:09,795
[reporters clamoring]
712
00:43:12,172 --> 00:43:13,549
[reporter 1] Over here, please.
713
00:43:16,385 --> 00:43:19,263
[Tom] Guess what?
Once you burn a man's house down,
714
00:43:20,055 --> 00:43:21,890
and then take his clothes
715
00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:23,892
and then spit in his face…
716
00:43:24,518 --> 00:43:26,061
Guess what?
717
00:43:26,145 --> 00:43:27,605
He's gonna fight back.
718
00:43:27,688 --> 00:43:28,731
[shutters clicking]
719
00:43:28,814 --> 00:43:31,275
[intense music playing]
720
00:43:37,531 --> 00:43:39,325
Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen.
721
00:43:40,367 --> 00:43:41,952
My name is Steve Hatfill.
722
00:43:42,953 --> 00:43:46,749
After one of the most intensive
public and private investigations
723
00:43:46,832 --> 00:43:49,627
in American history, no one,
724
00:43:49,710 --> 00:43:53,088
no one has come up
with a shred of evidence
725
00:43:53,172 --> 00:43:54,840
that I had anything to do
726
00:43:54,923 --> 00:43:56,508
with the anthrax letters.
727
00:43:57,134 --> 00:43:59,762
I am not the Anthrax Killer!
728
00:44:09,605 --> 00:44:12,066
We're almost a year now
into the anthrax investigation
729
00:44:12,149 --> 00:44:14,902
and the FBI doesn't have
a clue who's responsible.
730
00:44:14,985 --> 00:44:17,571
[reporter 2] FBI officials say
there are just too many questions
731
00:44:17,655 --> 00:44:19,281
about Hatfill to back off now.
732
00:44:19,365 --> 00:44:21,784
Some involved in the case
are clearly frustrated.
733
00:44:21,867 --> 00:44:25,245
More than 18 months later,
there has not been one single arrest…
734
00:44:25,329 --> 00:44:27,998
And it does seem like the FBI
works very slowly,
735
00:44:28,082 --> 00:44:29,166
which makes us wonder…
736
00:44:29,249 --> 00:44:32,086
Well, it's like this. It's not television.
737
00:44:32,169 --> 00:44:33,796
There's a lot of legwork…
738
00:44:33,879 --> 00:44:35,297
[reporter 1] Does it disappoint you?
739
00:44:35,381 --> 00:44:38,592
A case like this,
unsolved, no arrests, no indictment?
740
00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:41,428
[reporter 2] As of this moment,
is he still being investigated?
741
00:44:41,512 --> 00:44:43,555
We may not have the admissible evidence
742
00:44:44,139 --> 00:44:46,392
that we need
in order to prove it in court.
743
00:44:47,267 --> 00:44:49,603
[reporter 3] Remember the anthrax scare?
744
00:44:49,687 --> 00:44:53,357
It was five years ago today
that a photographer in Florida…
745
00:44:53,440 --> 00:44:55,442
[reporter 4] There's a split at the FBI
746
00:44:55,526 --> 00:44:58,821
with some agents
now thinking Hatfill didn't do it,
747
00:44:58,904 --> 00:45:01,115
but others still believe he did.
748
00:45:05,661 --> 00:45:08,664
It's one of the largest
FBI investigations ever
749
00:45:08,747 --> 00:45:11,125
with more than 9,000 interviews,
750
00:45:11,208 --> 00:45:14,920
6,000 subpoenas, and 67 separate searches.
751
00:45:15,003 --> 00:45:17,965
The FBI insists this case remains active.
752
00:45:18,674 --> 00:45:20,676
The fatal flaw that some people have is
753
00:45:20,759 --> 00:45:23,470
trying to prove
that somebody committed a crime,
754
00:45:24,179 --> 00:45:26,348
versus just investigating the crime.
755
00:45:30,269 --> 00:45:32,688
The investigation had been going on
for five years,
756
00:45:32,771 --> 00:45:36,400
and Director Mueller
wanted to have some new eyes in there.
757
00:45:37,443 --> 00:45:39,862
And so I took over the investigation.
758
00:45:40,696 --> 00:45:42,614
I told the team, "This case might be old,
759
00:45:42,698 --> 00:45:45,075
but it's not stale
and it's not like we don't care."
760
00:45:45,159 --> 00:45:47,703
"We still have, you know,
resources dedicated to it."
761
00:45:47,786 --> 00:45:50,998
We told everybody--
Like, we empowered them to investigate.
762
00:45:55,794 --> 00:45:57,379
[Rachel] At that point,
763
00:45:57,463 --> 00:46:00,257
there was an incredibly
aggressive development of the science,
764
00:46:01,049 --> 00:46:04,803
and it became the game-changing piece
of the investigation.
765
00:46:06,513 --> 00:46:09,933
[Paul] Previously, nobody was
sequencing genomes.
766
00:46:10,017 --> 00:46:12,603
It's what we call a pre-genomics era.
767
00:46:12,686 --> 00:46:15,105
We were using DNA
to identify the Ames strain,
768
00:46:15,189 --> 00:46:17,524
but we hadn't sequenced the whole genome.
769
00:46:18,942 --> 00:46:21,361
[Vince] What they wanted to do
was develop a DNA fingerprint
770
00:46:21,445 --> 00:46:22,988
for the spores that were mailed
771
00:46:23,071 --> 00:46:25,115
to see if we could identify the parent.
772
00:46:25,199 --> 00:46:28,494
[dramatic music playing]
773
00:46:34,917 --> 00:46:37,419
And we did it
because the technology improved,
774
00:46:37,503 --> 00:46:40,255
but also because we had a lot of money.
775
00:46:40,339 --> 00:46:45,093
This was the most expensive investigation
that the FBI ever carried out.
776
00:46:50,891 --> 00:46:53,894
Then they compared the DNA fingerprints
777
00:46:54,520 --> 00:46:56,814
that they had identified
in the spores that were mailed
778
00:46:56,897 --> 00:46:58,857
to everything they'd collected.
779
00:47:03,487 --> 00:47:07,825
[Paul] Those all traced back
to a single flask…
780
00:47:10,494 --> 00:47:12,329
called RMR-1029.
781
00:47:13,789 --> 00:47:17,584
And then on top of that,
we found out that this was a flask
782
00:47:17,668 --> 00:47:21,839
of anthrax spores that Bruce Ivins
had created for his experiments.
783
00:47:23,382 --> 00:47:25,634
["Hard Times Come Again No More" playing]
784
00:47:29,930 --> 00:47:34,434
♪ Oh, hard times come again no more ♪
785
00:47:36,270 --> 00:47:38,313
♪ It's a song ♪
786
00:47:38,397 --> 00:47:42,609
♪ A sigh of the weary ♪
787
00:47:43,527 --> 00:47:46,363
♪ Hard times, hard times ♪
788
00:47:46,446 --> 00:47:48,907
♪ Come again no more ♪
789
00:47:48,991 --> 00:47:50,617
♪ Many days… ♪
790
00:47:50,701 --> 00:47:52,870
[Rachel] At the beginning
of this investigation,
791
00:47:52,953 --> 00:47:54,788
it was this global whodunit.
792
00:47:56,248 --> 00:48:00,377
The global whodunit has now shrunk
to one flask in one walk-in cooler,
793
00:48:00,460 --> 00:48:03,589
in one lab,
created and maintained by one guy.
794
00:48:06,133 --> 00:48:07,009
[song halts]
795
00:48:07,593 --> 00:48:09,803
[interviewer] Do we know
definitively at that point
796
00:48:09,887 --> 00:48:12,097
that Bruce Ivins sent the letters?
797
00:48:12,180 --> 00:48:13,307
No. Uh…
798
00:48:13,390 --> 00:48:17,394
RMR-1029 was a resource
that was used by many people.
799
00:48:17,477 --> 00:48:20,981
Some of the material from that
had even been sent to my laboratory.
800
00:48:23,609 --> 00:48:26,111
So, we looked at the relevant time period
801
00:48:26,194 --> 00:48:30,490
and said, "Okay, who had access
to RMR-1029 during this time period?"
802
00:48:33,869 --> 00:48:38,290
The FBI swung back around
and started focusing on USAMRIID again.
803
00:48:40,876 --> 00:48:43,587
We were right back
under the magnifying glass.
804
00:48:47,507 --> 00:48:51,178
We were one of the few institutes
that fully cooperated with them.
805
00:48:52,679 --> 00:48:55,223
Not only providing
the expertise and the assistance,
806
00:48:55,307 --> 00:48:59,436
but giving full access
to all of our written records,
807
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:01,396
all of our biological samples,
808
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:05,943
providing anything and everything
that they wanted, on a voluntary basis.
809
00:49:06,693 --> 00:49:09,404
But then, because
you've created records of everything,
810
00:49:09,488 --> 00:49:11,865
that gives them something to sift through,
811
00:49:11,949 --> 00:49:14,326
and if something similar is found,
812
00:49:15,035 --> 00:49:19,539
it's going to label you
as the originator of this attack material.
813
00:49:20,832 --> 00:49:23,335
You know, that was disconcerting
for a lot of people
814
00:49:23,418 --> 00:49:26,088
because it created
a lot of fear and paranoia.
815
00:49:33,887 --> 00:49:35,806
[Vince] Each one of them
became a suspect, right?
816
00:49:35,889 --> 00:49:37,849
Get me a rock-solid alibi.
817
00:49:39,851 --> 00:49:43,105
We had some people on the list
that we had phone records,
818
00:49:43,188 --> 00:49:46,733
where they were on the phone with
their spouse who was overseas at the time.
819
00:49:47,567 --> 00:49:50,570
Right? So there's no way
they could have driven to Princeton
820
00:49:50,654 --> 00:49:52,781
on the 17th or 18th of September
821
00:49:52,864 --> 00:49:54,700
and mailed the letters.
822
00:49:57,244 --> 00:49:59,204
We checked everybody else off the list.
823
00:50:03,709 --> 00:50:07,004
[Vince] But then,
the more we investigated Bruce,
824
00:50:07,087 --> 00:50:08,755
the more things that came to light.
825
00:50:12,884 --> 00:50:16,054
One of the things that stuck out
was his time in the hot suites,
826
00:50:16,138 --> 00:50:18,140
leading up to the attacks.
827
00:50:18,223 --> 00:50:20,684
[beeping]
828
00:50:20,767 --> 00:50:24,646
Late at nights and on weekends
and into the wee hours of the morning.
829
00:50:25,647 --> 00:50:28,608
And going into a hot suite
isn't just going into a room.
830
00:50:30,777 --> 00:50:34,322
And then there was a break
for about a week or so,
831
00:50:34,406 --> 00:50:37,117
and then it picked up again
where he was back in there.
832
00:50:38,535 --> 00:50:42,497
Then he had all these hours in there
leading up to the second mailing.
833
00:50:44,374 --> 00:50:45,834
Never before, never since,
834
00:50:45,917 --> 00:50:47,794
did he have time
in the hot suites like that.
835
00:50:50,839 --> 00:50:53,717
[Rachel] That, standing alone, is not
proof beyond a reasonable doubt,
836
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,303
but it's certainly
a brick in the wall of evidence.
837
00:50:56,386 --> 00:50:58,055
Now with the additional knowledge
838
00:50:58,138 --> 00:51:01,058
that, whoa, we think
this identified flask of spores
839
00:51:01,141 --> 00:51:04,186
that was created and maintained
by Dr. Ivins
840
00:51:04,269 --> 00:51:06,021
is the source of the murder weapon, right?
841
00:51:06,104 --> 00:51:08,440
Is the source of the mailed material.
842
00:51:08,523 --> 00:51:10,609
Let's go back
and take a look at everything he has said
843
00:51:10,692 --> 00:51:12,486
and everything he's done,
in a different light.
844
00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:15,781
[ominous music playing]
845
00:51:15,864 --> 00:51:18,533
[Rachel] Going back and looking
at statements he had given.
846
00:51:24,539 --> 00:51:28,710
Was he sabotaging, undermining,
misdirecting the investigation?
847
00:51:29,836 --> 00:51:31,213
Did he try to distract?
848
00:51:31,755 --> 00:51:33,590
I had one other thought.
849
00:51:33,673 --> 00:51:35,258
Iraq, for instance.
850
00:51:35,342 --> 00:51:36,802
What else can you tell us?
851
00:51:36,885 --> 00:51:39,179
-[knock on door]
-Oh. Hey, guys.
852
00:51:39,262 --> 00:51:40,764
Did he try to deflect?
853
00:51:41,389 --> 00:51:42,641
[Bruce] Get a load of this.
854
00:51:42,724 --> 00:51:45,894
Those are from my personal stock,
straight from the source.
855
00:51:45,977 --> 00:51:47,479
What else can you tell us?
856
00:51:47,562 --> 00:51:49,898
[Rachel] Did he identify certain suspects
857
00:51:49,981 --> 00:51:53,318
depending on his personal feelings
towards that person at the time?
858
00:51:53,401 --> 00:51:55,570
[Bruce] Not only do these two
particular researchers
859
00:51:55,654 --> 00:51:59,366
have access to the original strain,
they also routinely make serial dilutions.
860
00:52:00,492 --> 00:52:01,910
[Hayward] What else can you tell us?
861
00:52:01,993 --> 00:52:05,122
Did he try to send
investigators in different directions?
862
00:52:05,205 --> 00:52:07,999
-Can you get us copies?
-I'll fax them over this afternoon.
863
00:52:08,875 --> 00:52:10,794
What else can you tell us?
864
00:52:11,586 --> 00:52:12,587
Lots.
865
00:52:13,088 --> 00:52:15,173
[dramatic music playing]
866
00:52:15,257 --> 00:52:20,428
[Rachel] Here is this super respected,
talented scientist within the government,
867
00:52:22,180 --> 00:52:25,350
giving advice about, you know,
what to pursue and what not to pursue.
868
00:52:26,268 --> 00:52:29,896
[Hayward, voice echoing]
What else can you tell us?
869
00:52:32,482 --> 00:52:35,944
[Rachel] There was now
absolutely a concerted focus on Dr. Ivins.
870
00:52:43,326 --> 00:52:46,663
-[country song playing]
-♪ Take me by the hand ♪
871
00:52:46,746 --> 00:52:50,584
♪ I will always understand… ♪
872
00:52:50,667 --> 00:52:52,669
[song continues faintly]
873
00:52:55,714 --> 00:52:56,715
[song stops]
874
00:52:58,675 --> 00:53:00,594
[Vince] You know,
this guy checks a lot of boxes
875
00:53:00,677 --> 00:53:02,679
when you talk about an insider threat.
876
00:53:04,139 --> 00:53:07,309
We found out that
he had some mental health issues,
877
00:53:07,392 --> 00:53:10,270
that it was common
for him to leave at night and come home
878
00:53:10,353 --> 00:53:12,939
sometime the next morning,
without his wife knowing.
879
00:53:13,857 --> 00:53:18,069
He maintained P.O. boxes
in different names at different locations.
880
00:53:18,153 --> 00:53:19,821
He would drive to remote locations
881
00:53:19,905 --> 00:53:22,324
and mail something
to conceal his identity.
882
00:53:25,452 --> 00:53:26,953
[man] Dr. Ivins.
883
00:53:27,037 --> 00:53:29,122
We're with the FBI.
884
00:53:29,789 --> 00:53:32,292
[female agent] We'd like to speak
with you, sir. Won't take long.
885
00:53:32,918 --> 00:53:37,172
Now? Uh, I was supposed to be home
an hour ago. Uh, my wife--
886
00:53:37,255 --> 00:53:39,216
Your wife is being taken care of.
887
00:53:41,885 --> 00:53:43,637
What… What does that mean?
888
00:53:44,512 --> 00:53:48,433
Sir, we're currently executing
a federal grand jury search warrant
889
00:53:48,516 --> 00:53:49,434
at your home.
890
00:53:49,517 --> 00:53:50,810
[ominous music playing]
891
00:53:50,894 --> 00:53:53,480
[Vince] That's when we jumped
out of the cake, right?
892
00:53:53,563 --> 00:53:56,608
"Hey, Bruce, we're executing
a search warrant at your house."
893
00:53:57,275 --> 00:53:59,945
"You are a big suspect in this."
894
00:54:00,487 --> 00:54:03,156
[male agent] We've arranged a hotel
for you and your family,
895
00:54:03,240 --> 00:54:04,699
just until the search is complete.
896
00:54:04,783 --> 00:54:06,618
We've got a car just over here.
897
00:54:08,662 --> 00:54:11,498
Uh, no, thank you. I… I need to go home.
898
00:54:14,292 --> 00:54:16,878
We'll see you
on the ten o'clock news, then.
899
00:54:19,339 --> 00:54:21,299
[male agent] Doctor, you go home,
900
00:54:21,383 --> 00:54:23,218
it's going to cause a major scene.
901
00:54:23,301 --> 00:54:24,970
Neighbors start talking.
902
00:54:25,971 --> 00:54:28,265
[male agent] Next thing you know,
news trucks are rolling in
903
00:54:28,348 --> 00:54:29,933
like the third armored brigade.
904
00:54:30,767 --> 00:54:32,394
[female agent] You don't really want that.
905
00:54:33,144 --> 00:54:34,354
Do you, Dr. Ivins?
906
00:54:52,497 --> 00:54:54,916
Where's Agent Hayward?
I always work with Agent--
907
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:57,627
Agent Hayward is no longer
assigned to this case.
908
00:54:58,628 --> 00:55:02,299
What? No. No, you don't understand.
Hayward is my contact--
909
00:55:02,382 --> 00:55:04,301
I know this is upsetting.
910
00:55:04,384 --> 00:55:06,594
Best thing is to remain calm,
let us do our work.
911
00:55:06,678 --> 00:55:08,471
I think I just-- I need you to stop.
912
00:55:08,555 --> 00:55:10,140
Stop the car. Stop.
913
00:55:17,897 --> 00:55:19,899
[Bruce] You-- You're saying it was me?
914
00:55:19,983 --> 00:55:21,943
You think--
You think I sent those letters?
915
00:55:22,027 --> 00:55:23,486
That I'm some kind of terrorist?
916
00:55:23,570 --> 00:55:24,612
No one's saying that.
917
00:55:24,696 --> 00:55:28,283
I'm a patriot. I've worked my entire life
protecting American lives.
918
00:55:28,366 --> 00:55:30,201
Sir, please.
919
00:55:30,827 --> 00:55:33,038
[male agent] Let's just all keep our heads
920
00:55:33,121 --> 00:55:34,956
and give the team a chance to do its work.
921
00:55:35,874 --> 00:55:37,542
How does that sound, Doctor?
922
00:55:55,393 --> 00:55:56,728
[Vince] To be quite honest,
923
00:55:56,811 --> 00:55:59,272
we didn't come out of there
with a silver bullet.
924
00:55:59,898 --> 00:56:02,859
There were some people that thought
that he would've kept a souvenir.
925
00:56:03,777 --> 00:56:07,155
Right? And we're like,
"What souvenir are we gonna find?"
926
00:56:08,156 --> 00:56:10,200
And there wasn't that much.
927
00:56:10,700 --> 00:56:13,870
But then a couple guys
on the team had a great idea.
928
00:56:15,497 --> 00:56:17,540
[dog barking]
929
00:56:17,624 --> 00:56:20,418
[Vince] Two nights later was trash night.
930
00:56:21,628 --> 00:56:23,880
See what he throws out
that we may have missed.
931
00:56:30,512 --> 00:56:33,473
Unbeknownst to him,
was an FBI agent holding his breath,
932
00:56:33,556 --> 00:56:36,476
standing motionless
so that Bruce wouldn't see him.
933
00:56:42,565 --> 00:56:46,486
He clearly wanted to make sure that
nobody recovered what he threw away.
934
00:57:00,208 --> 00:57:04,712
[airplane engine roaring]
935
00:57:12,512 --> 00:57:17,183
[Paul] I was in Washington at a conference
in a hotel out near Dulles Airport.
936
00:57:17,267 --> 00:57:19,686
-[applause]
-[static hisses]
937
00:57:19,769 --> 00:57:20,937
Welcome, everyone.
938
00:57:21,688 --> 00:57:26,192
And the FBI knew I was there and so
they actually set up a meeting for me.
939
00:57:27,485 --> 00:57:29,737
There were, like, 20 people there,
940
00:57:29,821 --> 00:57:33,283
and they didn't have lights shining on me
or anything like an interrogation,
941
00:57:33,366 --> 00:57:37,162
but it kind of felt that way.
It kind of felt like that environment.
942
00:57:37,245 --> 00:57:39,164
And we sat down and one of them
943
00:57:39,247 --> 00:57:43,168
reassured me that, uh,
they were not there to arrest me.
944
00:57:43,251 --> 00:57:46,754
It was like, "That had never
crossed my mind until just now
945
00:57:46,838 --> 00:57:48,548
that you might be here to arrest me."
946
00:57:50,467 --> 00:57:54,721
And they started pulling out emails
that I had sent to Bruce Ivins.
947
00:57:56,556 --> 00:58:00,310
They were trying to figure out if there
was any information in these emails
948
00:58:00,393 --> 00:58:04,606
that might have tipped off Bruce Ivins
about the analysis that we were doing.
949
00:58:06,357 --> 00:58:09,402
That's when a kind of light
went off in my head, said,
950
00:58:09,486 --> 00:58:10,778
"They're looking at Bruce."
951
00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:16,951
Many of his co-workers defended him
and said, "No, it couldn't be Bruce."
952
00:58:17,035 --> 00:58:21,956
And when we pointed to strange behaviors,
you know… [hesitates]
953
00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:25,084
…things that Bruce did, it was always,
"Well, that's just Bruce being Bruce."
954
00:58:25,168 --> 00:58:27,754
That was the common phrase we heard.
"That's Bruce being Bruce."
955
00:58:30,465 --> 00:58:33,718
But from looking at Bruce's emails,
956
00:58:33,801 --> 00:58:35,261
it was clear that
957
00:58:36,054 --> 00:58:37,430
he had obsessions.
958
00:58:39,349 --> 00:58:43,561
His relationships with some
of his co-workers were…
959
00:58:45,021 --> 00:58:46,314
[Vince] Um…
960
00:58:46,397 --> 00:58:49,859
You know, one woman--
he wrote a lot of personal emails
961
00:58:51,110 --> 00:58:52,612
that were troubling.
962
00:58:52,695 --> 00:58:54,072
[breathing heavily]
963
00:58:54,155 --> 00:58:55,949
[tense music playing]
964
00:58:56,032 --> 00:58:59,911
Occasionally, I get this tingling
that goes down both arms.
965
00:59:00,537 --> 00:59:02,372
At the same time, I get a bit dizzy
966
00:59:02,455 --> 00:59:04,249
and I get this
967
00:59:05,375 --> 00:59:08,294
unidentifiable metallic taste in my mouth.
968
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:12,590
I'm not trying to be funny.
969
00:59:13,800 --> 00:59:15,677
Actually, it scares me a bit.
970
00:59:20,306 --> 00:59:21,975
When I get these episodes,
971
00:59:22,850 --> 00:59:24,978
I become mean-spirited,
972
00:59:25,061 --> 00:59:25,895
hateful,
973
00:59:26,771 --> 00:59:27,981
angry,
974
00:59:28,064 --> 00:59:29,023
withdrawn,
975
00:59:29,107 --> 00:59:30,316
paranoid.
976
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:32,569
[tense music builds, fades out]
977
00:59:34,320 --> 00:59:37,615
Of course, I regret them thoroughly
when they're over,
978
00:59:37,699 --> 00:59:39,659
but when I'm going through them,
979
00:59:41,452 --> 00:59:43,913
it's as if I'm a passenger on a ride.
980
00:59:44,914 --> 00:59:47,333
Like I'm a few feet away watching myself.
981
00:59:50,753 --> 00:59:52,714
[somber music playing]
982
00:59:53,923 --> 00:59:56,718
I try to put on a good front here at work
and at home
983
00:59:56,801 --> 00:59:58,678
so I don't spread the pestilence.
984
00:59:58,761 --> 00:59:59,846
[Bruce panting]
985
00:59:59,929 --> 01:00:03,433
Unfortunately, I have to
talk about it to someone.
986
01:00:05,101 --> 01:00:08,813
So, you get to be my secret sharer.
987
01:00:15,695 --> 01:00:20,116
[Vince] His behavior toward those women
was the same as another of his obsessions.
988
01:00:20,199 --> 01:00:21,993
We found out that he had
989
01:00:22,076 --> 01:00:24,120
an obsession with KKG Sorority.
990
01:00:25,288 --> 01:00:27,540
[foreboding music playing]
991
01:00:28,583 --> 01:00:33,880
This obsession was something that
he developed in the 1960s in college
992
01:00:33,963 --> 01:00:37,508
when he asked a girl on a date
who belonged to KKG Sorority.
993
01:00:40,178 --> 01:00:41,888
She turned him down,
994
01:00:41,971 --> 01:00:43,473
and Bruce was rejected.
995
01:00:43,556 --> 01:00:47,268
And so, he decided to steal
from a sorority house.
996
01:00:50,104 --> 01:00:51,230
He stole their cipher,
997
01:00:51,314 --> 01:00:53,900
which allowed him
to decrypt their rituals that they had.
998
01:01:00,782 --> 01:01:05,370
And when you think about…
here's a man, 40 or 50 years later,
999
01:01:05,995 --> 01:01:07,789
who had multiple personas…
1000
01:01:11,292 --> 01:01:12,794
[Vince] …who was 60 years old,
1001
01:01:12,877 --> 01:01:17,173
posing as a sorority sister, online.
1002
01:01:23,388 --> 01:01:25,348
It kind of raises some eyebrows.
1003
01:01:30,186 --> 01:01:32,897
[indistinct chatter]
1004
01:01:35,900 --> 01:01:39,862
[Vince] One of the women that he had
this strong interest or obsession with
1005
01:01:39,946 --> 01:01:42,073
defended him over and over,
1006
01:01:42,156 --> 01:01:48,079
until we showed her some information
that he somehow identified her password
1007
01:01:48,162 --> 01:01:50,373
and would log on to her computer, as her,
1008
01:01:50,456 --> 01:01:52,208
and read her personal emails.
1009
01:01:52,291 --> 01:01:55,628
And whenever he read something
disparaging against him,
1010
01:01:55,712 --> 01:01:57,171
then he was just enraged by it.
1011
01:01:59,132 --> 01:02:03,428
It was pretty disturbing,
and she agreed to cooperate with us.
1012
01:02:05,221 --> 01:02:06,097
Bruce.
1013
01:02:07,098 --> 01:02:08,057
Ah.
1014
01:02:08,725 --> 01:02:10,268
[both chuckling]
1015
01:02:10,351 --> 01:02:12,520
-You came.
-I came. [chuckles]
1016
01:02:21,821 --> 01:02:23,906
[sighs deeply] Right.
1017
01:02:23,990 --> 01:02:27,034
I just keep thinking
about that grand jury hearing.
1018
01:02:27,118 --> 01:02:29,036
They were so accusatory.
1019
01:02:29,954 --> 01:02:32,999
You can't keep going on like this, Bruce.
1020
01:02:33,082 --> 01:02:34,709
Sure I can. See?
1021
01:02:41,132 --> 01:02:42,967
Maybe you should see somebody.
1022
01:02:46,804 --> 01:02:47,805
I have you.
1023
01:02:48,806 --> 01:02:50,099
My secret sharer.
1024
01:02:52,018 --> 01:02:53,186
Don't call me that.
1025
01:02:55,313 --> 01:02:59,400
I'm… I'm sorry, Bruce.
I want to support you, I do.
1026
01:03:00,151 --> 01:03:02,320
But these things
that you've been writing me about…
1027
01:03:03,196 --> 01:03:06,407
[accomplice] Alternate personas,
paranoid delusions…
1028
01:03:08,576 --> 01:03:12,288
So this woman actually wore a wire
to… to meet with Bruce.
1029
01:03:12,371 --> 01:03:15,792
Just let him volunteer
and see how comfortable he gets.
1030
01:03:15,875 --> 01:03:19,045
-[accomplice] I don't know what to do.
-The crazy thing about those emails is
1031
01:03:19,128 --> 01:03:21,380
I don't even remember
actually writing them.
1032
01:03:21,464 --> 01:03:22,423
What?
1033
01:03:22,507 --> 01:03:26,177
The first I know about them is when I see
them in my sent box in the morning.
1034
01:03:28,304 --> 01:03:32,099
I wake up and there's all these traces
of what Crazy Bruce has been doing.
1035
01:03:32,183 --> 01:03:36,187
I see keys by my bed and I think,
"Oh, no, did I drive somewhere?"
1036
01:03:37,605 --> 01:03:42,985
For somebody who's a suspect
in a bioterrorism event, right?
1037
01:03:43,069 --> 01:03:45,446
It's alarming to us.
1038
01:03:49,408 --> 01:03:51,035
I want to ask you something.
1039
01:03:51,953 --> 01:03:53,788
But please don't get mad at me.
1040
01:03:55,122 --> 01:03:58,626
You want to know if I did it.
You want to know if I sent those letters.
1041
01:03:59,752 --> 01:04:00,753
Yes.
1042
01:04:12,682 --> 01:04:15,059
I can't recall doing anything like that.
1043
01:04:17,019 --> 01:04:18,229
But you're not sure?
1044
01:04:21,732 --> 01:04:23,568
The only thing I know for sure
1045
01:04:23,651 --> 01:04:26,654
is that in my right mind,
I would never hurt anyone.
1046
01:04:28,656 --> 01:04:29,907
"Did you kill five people?"
1047
01:04:29,991 --> 01:04:32,743
It's a pretty easy question to answer
for most people, right?
1048
01:04:33,870 --> 01:04:35,371
And Bruce didn't say no.
1049
01:04:39,041 --> 01:04:41,419
You know, I was thinking,
this friend of mine,
1050
01:04:41,502 --> 01:04:44,005
her therapist hypnotizes her.
1051
01:04:44,088 --> 01:04:45,464
-No.
-And it helps her.
1052
01:04:45,548 --> 01:04:47,174
-I said no.
-It helps her remember.
1053
01:04:47,258 --> 01:04:48,801
What if I don't want to remember?
1054
01:04:55,433 --> 01:04:56,642
[chair scrapes]
1055
01:04:57,602 --> 01:04:59,604
But, Br-- Bruce, wait.
1056
01:04:59,687 --> 01:05:01,105
Don't go.
1057
01:05:01,188 --> 01:05:02,189
Sit down.
1058
01:05:12,742 --> 01:05:14,785
You used to be so beautiful.
1059
01:05:26,130 --> 01:05:28,466
[tense music playing]
1060
01:05:30,092 --> 01:05:31,510
[Bruce] It's getting to be lately,
1061
01:05:31,594 --> 01:05:34,305
I felt there's nobody in the world
I can confide in.
1062
01:05:41,771 --> 01:05:44,065
I used to walk at night
through a bad part of town
1063
01:05:44,148 --> 01:05:46,275
with a loaded gun in my windbreaker.
1064
01:05:48,069 --> 01:05:50,738
If I saw a group
of young guys on the street,
1065
01:05:51,238 --> 01:05:53,032
I'd walk right through the middle of them.
1066
01:05:53,866 --> 01:05:56,494
Just hoping someone would try something.
1067
01:05:56,577 --> 01:05:57,495
[sniffles]
1068
01:05:57,578 --> 01:05:59,330
You have to battle back.
1069
01:05:59,956 --> 01:06:01,832
Look these bastards in the eye and say,
1070
01:06:01,916 --> 01:06:03,918
"You're not going to drive me
into a hole."
1071
01:06:04,001 --> 01:06:06,295
"You go after me, I'll go after you."
1072
01:06:15,638 --> 01:06:18,140
Bruce? Bruce?
1073
01:06:18,975 --> 01:06:21,602
Just remember what I said.
Short and direct.
1074
01:06:21,686 --> 01:06:23,688
No unnecessary details.
1075
01:06:24,897 --> 01:06:25,982
Gonna do great.
1076
01:06:30,736 --> 01:06:31,779
[door opens]
1077
01:06:31,862 --> 01:06:33,906
[phones ringing in background]
1078
01:06:35,324 --> 01:06:37,410
Appreciate you coming in today.
1079
01:06:37,493 --> 01:06:40,371
I'm Vince Lisi,
Special Agent in charge here.
1080
01:06:40,454 --> 01:06:42,957
We just wanted to let him know we had him.
1081
01:06:43,541 --> 01:06:45,042
Okay if I call you Bruce?
1082
01:06:45,793 --> 01:06:46,877
Sure, Vince.
1083
01:06:49,964 --> 01:06:51,382
Look, I want to be very clear.
1084
01:06:52,133 --> 01:06:55,428
This interview here, it's voluntary.
You're here on your own accord.
1085
01:06:55,511 --> 01:06:57,805
-In the presence of your attorney.
-I understand.
1086
01:07:00,891 --> 01:07:02,226
An enormous amount of work
1087
01:07:02,309 --> 01:07:05,187
was put into getting ready
for that first interview of Dr. Ivins.
1088
01:07:06,647 --> 01:07:08,482
We had a very careful plan
1089
01:07:08,566 --> 01:07:11,402
that involved both
what questions we want to ask,
1090
01:07:11,485 --> 01:07:12,737
how do we want to ask them,
1091
01:07:12,820 --> 01:07:15,906
but also consulting with a psychologist
about how do we approach him.
1092
01:07:15,990 --> 01:07:18,451
Right? What are the triggers,
what are the aspects
1093
01:07:18,534 --> 01:07:19,952
that are going to get him talking.
1094
01:07:20,828 --> 01:07:22,830
So, tell me, Bruce.
1095
01:07:24,206 --> 01:07:25,750
What's the deal with you and women?
1096
01:07:27,168 --> 01:07:28,252
Excuse me?
1097
01:07:28,335 --> 01:07:31,380
Two former female co-workers said
you hounded them for over a decade.
1098
01:07:31,464 --> 01:07:33,382
One said you threatened to poison her?
1099
01:07:33,466 --> 01:07:37,803
Now there's this whole thing
with a Kappa Kappa Gamma Sorority.
1100
01:07:37,887 --> 01:07:40,014
[sorority members cheering and laughing]
1101
01:07:43,100 --> 01:07:44,602
A "preoccupation," it says.
1102
01:07:47,521 --> 01:07:49,648
I wouldn't call it a preoccupation.
1103
01:07:50,441 --> 01:07:53,110
[Vince] No? What would you call it?
1104
01:07:53,194 --> 01:07:54,361
An obsession.
1105
01:07:56,155 --> 01:07:59,408
He just cut me off. He goes,
"It's not an interest. It's an obsession."
1106
01:08:00,117 --> 01:08:03,412
He said "I just lay in bed at night
and this just goes through my head."
1107
01:08:04,455 --> 01:08:07,083
It says that
you broke into a sorority house
1108
01:08:07,166 --> 01:08:10,795
at the University of North Carolina
to steal their code books.
1109
01:08:11,629 --> 01:08:13,005
Interested in codes, Bruce?
1110
01:08:14,298 --> 01:08:15,299
Not especially.
1111
01:08:18,344 --> 01:08:21,847
You know, I read somewhere
1112
01:08:22,723 --> 01:08:26,185
that you can write
secret messages using DNA codons.
1113
01:08:27,520 --> 01:08:28,771
Ever hear anything like that?
1114
01:08:29,522 --> 01:08:30,898
Doesn't sound familiar.
1115
01:08:37,696 --> 01:08:40,074
-[dramatic music playing]
-[Vince] How 'bout now?
1116
01:08:43,285 --> 01:08:46,205
[Bruce's lawyer] This was not
on the search and seizure inventory.
1117
01:08:46,288 --> 01:08:47,998
I found it in his trash.
1118
01:08:50,543 --> 01:08:52,086
And that's whenever they found some, uh,
1119
01:08:52,169 --> 01:08:55,965
some pretty, pretty interesting
and damning, uh, items.
1120
01:08:56,048 --> 01:08:59,093
An Eternal Golden Braid.
That's a-- That's a good book.
1121
01:08:59,176 --> 01:09:00,928
I mean, at least the parts
I could understand.
1122
01:09:02,096 --> 01:09:05,349
Gödel, Escher, Bach was the book
he had that he was very interested in
1123
01:09:05,432 --> 01:09:07,476
that talked about codes
and coded language.
1124
01:09:08,227 --> 01:09:11,063
Hey, Bruce.
What the heck is a codon, anyway?
1125
01:09:17,528 --> 01:09:22,575
Okay, you're asking Dr. Ivins
to teach remedial science to the FBI now?
1126
01:09:28,205 --> 01:09:32,960
The letters A and T
are used in DNA codons, right?
1127
01:09:34,712 --> 01:09:38,382
We knew that there
was a hidden message in the letter.
1128
01:09:41,468 --> 01:09:45,514
Bold a T in one word
and then you bold an A in another word
1129
01:09:45,598 --> 01:09:48,142
and use that to send hidden messages.
1130
01:09:48,225 --> 01:09:52,646
And they kind of
had an idea of how it was translated.
1131
01:09:53,230 --> 01:09:55,441
We knew both from talking to Dr. Ivins
1132
01:09:55,524 --> 01:09:59,612
and from things he had written,
that Dr. Ivins hated New York.
1133
01:10:00,279 --> 01:10:03,657
The bolded letters translated into "FNY."
1134
01:10:03,741 --> 01:10:06,368
Take, what you will, the FNY.
1135
01:10:07,620 --> 01:10:09,038
"Fuck New York."
1136
01:10:11,457 --> 01:10:15,294
Mr. Lisi, we agreed to come here
in the spirit of cooperation.
1137
01:10:15,377 --> 01:10:18,505
I don't appreciate
you trying to intimidate my client.
1138
01:10:19,423 --> 01:10:21,050
You feeling intimidated, Bruce?
1139
01:10:24,511 --> 01:10:27,264
All that matters here is the science.
1140
01:10:28,641 --> 01:10:31,060
We talked about
the submission to the repository.
1141
01:10:31,143 --> 01:10:34,647
I mean, it was just, like,
one fastball after another.
1142
01:10:35,231 --> 01:10:38,943
Six years ago, you submitted a sample of
anthrax in your custody, came back clean.
1143
01:10:39,026 --> 01:10:39,985
Negative match.
1144
01:10:40,069 --> 01:10:40,903
Yeah.
1145
01:10:41,987 --> 01:10:43,614
[Vince] There was another sample.
1146
01:10:43,697 --> 01:10:44,949
The original one.
1147
01:10:45,616 --> 01:10:48,953
It was supposed to be destroyed
because, well, you didn't follow protocol.
1148
01:10:49,036 --> 01:10:52,539
You used the wrong test tubes,
or some nonsense.
1149
01:10:53,415 --> 01:10:54,250
What?
1150
01:10:54,333 --> 01:10:57,086
Wrong test tubes.
The lab guys are very particular.
1151
01:10:58,170 --> 01:11:00,005
Someone kept it, Bruce.
1152
01:11:04,802 --> 01:11:08,639
Let me back up, because actually,
you prepare two, right?
1153
01:11:08,722 --> 01:11:12,351
One sample goes to the repository,
and one sample goes to Paul Keim.
1154
01:11:12,434 --> 01:11:13,978
The tube that came to me,
1155
01:11:14,061 --> 01:11:16,855
the FBI didn't ever tell me
to get rid of 'em.
1156
01:11:16,939 --> 01:11:19,984
And so, that first set of tubes
that he sent to me
1157
01:11:20,067 --> 01:11:22,903
stayed in our repository
for the next four years.
1158
01:11:24,113 --> 01:11:25,698
That one came back a match.
1159
01:11:27,700 --> 01:11:32,705
The same DNA markers as the spores
that killed those five people in 2001.
1160
01:11:33,372 --> 01:11:37,960
We traced it to a flask labeled RMR-1029.
1161
01:11:40,879 --> 01:11:42,131
Which you control.
1162
01:11:42,214 --> 01:11:44,800
A dozen people have access to that flask.
1163
01:11:44,883 --> 01:11:46,343
Fourteen, actually.
1164
01:11:46,427 --> 01:11:48,095
But you're so sure it's me?
1165
01:11:48,887 --> 01:11:52,641
I think we are finished here.
[clears throat] Dr. Ivins.
1166
01:11:56,270 --> 01:11:58,063
Why'd you submit
two different samples, Bruce?
1167
01:12:04,153 --> 01:12:05,738
Can you explain why?
1168
01:12:08,824 --> 01:12:12,578
[Vince] So after Bruce's first sample
was refused by the repository
1169
01:12:12,661 --> 01:12:14,371
and it was destroyed,
1170
01:12:14,455 --> 01:12:16,206
he, uh, attended this meeting
1171
01:12:16,290 --> 01:12:19,209
and was told exactly what the samples
were going to be used for.
1172
01:12:19,793 --> 01:12:22,379
Right? So now he's thinking,
"Wait a minute…"
1173
01:12:22,463 --> 01:12:26,175
Doctor, please, follow protocol
to the letter this time.
1174
01:12:26,800 --> 01:12:29,762
[Vince] "So when I submit
my new sample of RMR-1029,
1175
01:12:29,845 --> 01:12:33,098
I'll put something else in there,
so it doesn't point back to me."
1176
01:12:33,891 --> 01:12:36,101
He got a second bite at the apple, right?
1177
01:12:36,810 --> 01:12:38,228
[Hayward] We appreciate your help.
1178
01:12:43,984 --> 01:12:45,235
[Vince] Can you explain that?
1179
01:12:52,117 --> 01:12:53,702
I'm not a killer.
1180
01:12:53,786 --> 01:12:55,412
Let's see what a jury says.
1181
01:13:01,543 --> 01:13:04,338
[ominous music playing]
1182
01:13:10,552 --> 01:13:14,556
[Jeffrey] The one thing Bruce was not
is an emotionally strong person.
1183
01:13:15,140 --> 01:13:19,061
The FBI isolated him
from most of his friends and family.
1184
01:13:19,144 --> 01:13:20,813
His reputation had been sullied.
1185
01:13:21,939 --> 01:13:25,567
He seemed to be moving away
from his former self.
1186
01:13:25,651 --> 01:13:28,237
[intense music playing]
1187
01:13:30,030 --> 01:13:32,950
The first thing I noticed
was that he wasn't
1188
01:13:33,033 --> 01:13:35,536
primarily interested
in getting other people to laugh
1189
01:13:35,619 --> 01:13:37,121
or to engage with other people.
1190
01:13:37,204 --> 01:13:39,581
He became somewhat withdrawn.
1191
01:13:42,876 --> 01:13:47,131
He admitted that he had been drinking
and that he wasn't sleeping well.
1192
01:13:47,214 --> 01:13:50,050
I think he even had an issue
with a mental health professional
1193
01:13:50,134 --> 01:13:51,552
that he was seeing.
1194
01:13:53,595 --> 01:13:58,183
[breathing heavily]
1195
01:14:00,477 --> 01:14:04,565
[Paul] He actually had a restraining order
against him by his counselor.
1196
01:14:05,816 --> 01:14:08,735
There was a dark side to Bruce
that many of us didn't see.
1197
01:14:12,156 --> 01:14:16,827
[ominous music builds, fades]
1198
01:14:19,204 --> 01:14:20,330
[sniffles]
1199
01:14:23,250 --> 01:14:25,878
[Bruce] I have this terrible
dreaded feeling that…
1200
01:14:29,923 --> 01:14:32,718
I have been selected
for the blood sacrifice.
1201
01:14:44,229 --> 01:14:48,525
The FBI can take
the most innocent moment or incident
1202
01:14:49,276 --> 01:14:53,655
and turn it into something that looks
as if it came from the devil himself.
1203
01:14:54,448 --> 01:14:58,577
I don't have a killer bone in my body,
but it doesn't make a difference.
1204
01:14:59,495 --> 01:15:02,873
[emotional instrumental music playing]
1205
01:15:05,792 --> 01:15:06,919
I miss the days…
1206
01:15:08,670 --> 01:15:12,508
I miss the days that people would say
that I was sane without a snicker.
1207
01:15:13,800 --> 01:15:17,221
I miss the days when I felt
that we were doing
1208
01:15:17,304 --> 01:15:19,932
what was worthy and honest.
1209
01:15:25,395 --> 01:15:27,898
Our pasts shape our futures.
1210
01:15:29,024 --> 01:15:32,402
And mine was built
1211
01:15:33,111 --> 01:15:36,406
with lies and craziness and depression.
1212
01:15:40,827 --> 01:15:41,995
Go down low.
1213
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:44,456
Low.
1214
01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:46,041
Low as you can go.
1215
01:15:46,750 --> 01:15:49,002
And then dig forever.
1216
01:15:50,504 --> 01:15:52,130
And there you'll find me.
1217
01:15:53,549 --> 01:15:54,758
My psyche.
1218
01:15:58,929 --> 01:16:00,180
Alone.
1219
01:16:02,766 --> 01:16:05,018
The farther I go, it's alone.
1220
01:16:18,198 --> 01:16:20,325
[gentle music playing]
1221
01:16:24,705 --> 01:16:26,915
[keys jangling]
1222
01:16:28,041 --> 01:16:30,711
[lock clicking]
1223
01:16:45,851 --> 01:16:48,645
[door hinge creaking]
1224
01:16:57,404 --> 01:16:58,989
[static hissing]
1225
01:16:59,072 --> 01:17:01,199
[line ringing]
1226
01:17:01,283 --> 01:17:04,661
[operator] Frederick County 911.
What is the address of the emergency?
1227
01:17:04,745 --> 01:17:05,829
[woman] Military Road.
1228
01:17:05,912 --> 01:17:08,749
-[operator] And what's your name?
-Diane Ivins.
1229
01:17:08,832 --> 01:17:11,793
[operator] Diane, what's the problem?
Tell me exactly what happened.
1230
01:17:11,877 --> 01:17:14,671
[Diane] My husband, I found him
laying on the bathroom floor upstairs.
1231
01:17:14,755 --> 01:17:15,631
He's unconscious.
1232
01:17:15,714 --> 01:17:17,215
He's got a…
1233
01:17:17,299 --> 01:17:19,593
He's breathing rapidly, he's clammy.
1234
01:17:19,676 --> 01:17:21,720
I found some…
1235
01:17:21,803 --> 01:17:24,264
a glass of wine earlier in the day.
1236
01:17:24,348 --> 01:17:27,392
I don't know if he was drinking
and got up and fell or...
1237
01:17:27,976 --> 01:17:29,144
if he drank too much.
1238
01:17:30,687 --> 01:17:32,856
[operator] All right, I'm sending
the ambulance to help you now.
1239
01:17:33,398 --> 01:17:35,609
Want me to stay on the line with you
or are you okay?
1240
01:17:35,692 --> 01:17:36,902
[Diane] No, I'm okay.
1241
01:17:39,404 --> 01:17:40,614
[call ends]
1242
01:17:43,116 --> 01:17:47,245
[intense ambient music playing]
1243
01:17:48,789 --> 01:17:51,291
[reporter 1] Bruce Ivins,
a brilliant microbi--
1244
01:17:51,375 --> 01:17:53,919
[reporter 2] Tuesday, Ivins died
of an apparent overdose.
1245
01:17:54,002 --> 01:17:56,296
[reporter speaking French]
1246
01:17:56,380 --> 01:17:58,382
[reporter speaking German]
1247
01:17:58,465 --> 01:18:01,885
[reporter 3] The nation's most notorious
unsolved terrorist crime.
1248
01:18:01,968 --> 01:18:03,303
The death of Bruce Ivins--
1249
01:18:03,387 --> 01:18:05,263
[reporter 4] …was a delusional sociopath.
1250
01:18:05,347 --> 01:18:07,140
[reporter 5] A history of mental illness.
1251
01:18:07,224 --> 01:18:08,809
It was his own fault.
1252
01:18:08,892 --> 01:18:11,645
One of the largest
and most complex investigations--
1253
01:18:11,728 --> 01:18:13,939
[reporter 6] …had the opportunity,
motive, and means
1254
01:18:14,022 --> 01:18:16,733
to be the 2001 Anthrax Killer.
1255
01:18:16,817 --> 01:18:19,361
[static hissing]
1256
01:18:19,444 --> 01:18:21,571
[reporters chattering]
1257
01:18:21,655 --> 01:18:23,657
[camera shutters clicking]
1258
01:18:27,786 --> 01:18:28,787
[sniffles]
1259
01:18:31,039 --> 01:18:32,124
Good afternoon.
1260
01:18:32,708 --> 01:18:34,459
[somber piano music playing]
1261
01:18:34,543 --> 01:18:38,171
[camera shutters clicking]
1262
01:18:38,255 --> 01:18:43,176
Because of the extraordinary and justified
public interest in this investigation,
1263
01:18:43,260 --> 01:18:47,013
as well as the significant
public attention resulting from the death
1264
01:18:47,097 --> 01:18:49,474
of Dr. Bruce Edward Ivins last week,
1265
01:18:49,558 --> 01:18:52,686
today we are compelled
to take the extraordinary step
1266
01:18:52,769 --> 01:18:54,980
of providing some of our conclusions.
1267
01:18:55,522 --> 01:18:56,857
We are confident
1268
01:18:56,940 --> 01:19:00,235
that Dr. Ivins was the only person
responsible for these attacks.
1269
01:19:14,750 --> 01:19:17,794
How is it possible
that a guy in this state of mind
1270
01:19:17,878 --> 01:19:19,755
could have tricked the FBI
1271
01:19:19,838 --> 01:19:21,214
for so long?
1272
01:19:21,798 --> 01:19:23,759
Officials say
authorities were investigating
1273
01:19:23,842 --> 01:19:27,387
whether Ivins released anthrax
as a way of testing the vaccine
1274
01:19:27,471 --> 01:19:29,473
he developed here at Fort Detrick.
1275
01:19:30,682 --> 01:19:32,517
[interviewer] Are you a hundred percent
certain Bruce did it?
1276
01:19:32,601 --> 01:19:33,602
Oh, absolutely.
1277
01:19:34,728 --> 01:19:36,688
Absolutely. Beyond a reasonable doubt.
1278
01:19:37,314 --> 01:19:40,734
Bruce was worried that his life's work
1279
01:19:40,817 --> 01:19:43,570
dedicated to anthrax research
was gonna come to an end.
1280
01:19:44,488 --> 01:19:47,699
Right? And then the anthrax attacks happen
1281
01:19:48,575 --> 01:19:52,913
and all of a sudden the FDA
quickly approves this batch of vaccines,
1282
01:19:52,996 --> 01:19:55,749
and then Bruce ended up getting
the highest award a civilian can get
1283
01:19:55,832 --> 01:19:58,251
in the Army for his work on anthrax.
1284
01:19:59,211 --> 01:20:00,128
No.
1285
01:20:00,212 --> 01:20:03,632
He's responsible for five murders.
You know?
1286
01:20:03,715 --> 01:20:07,135
[interviewer] How certain are you
that Bruce was responsible?
1287
01:20:07,219 --> 01:20:09,846
Yeah, I'm-- I'm not certain
that he was the mailer.
1288
01:20:09,930 --> 01:20:11,932
It's not like a murder case, you know,
1289
01:20:12,015 --> 01:20:15,769
where you have a blood stain
and you can come back and say,
1290
01:20:15,852 --> 01:20:20,607
"Absolutely, this belongs to that person.
That puts them at the crime scene."
1291
01:20:20,690 --> 01:20:23,819
In the case of the anthrax
with the DNA, uh,
1292
01:20:23,902 --> 01:20:29,282
we just put the… the suspect
or the perpetrator in the vicinity
1293
01:20:29,366 --> 01:20:30,659
of the flask.
1294
01:20:32,577 --> 01:20:34,246
It's a circumstantial case.
1295
01:20:34,329 --> 01:20:36,331
There's no silver bullet here,
1296
01:20:36,414 --> 01:20:39,501
but… and if you want to look
at any one little aspect
1297
01:20:40,210 --> 01:20:41,711
and pick it apart, that's fine.
1298
01:20:41,795 --> 01:20:45,298
But I tell people it's like looking
at the Mona Lisa through a drinking straw.
1299
01:20:45,382 --> 01:20:47,676
Right? You got to step back
and look at the whole thing.
1300
01:20:47,759 --> 01:20:49,761
[reporter 1] Former supervisor
Jeffrey Adamovicz
1301
01:20:49,845 --> 01:20:52,264
says Ivins knew he was under suspicion.
1302
01:20:52,347 --> 01:20:55,058
If this case is closed
and that evidence was not sufficient
1303
01:20:55,141 --> 01:20:57,602
to indicate that he
was the person who did this,
1304
01:20:57,686 --> 01:21:00,021
that means that person is still out there.
1305
01:21:00,814 --> 01:21:03,733
[Jeffrey] I think the FBI
was under tremendous political pressure
1306
01:21:03,817 --> 01:21:05,735
to solve this case.
1307
01:21:05,819 --> 01:21:10,615
But it was clear that these spores
had been processed in such a way
1308
01:21:10,699 --> 01:21:13,952
that they had characteristics
and features that weren't consistent
1309
01:21:14,035 --> 01:21:15,704
with the spores that we made.
1310
01:21:16,496 --> 01:21:19,207
And it didn't seem that Bruce
had the technical knowledge
1311
01:21:19,291 --> 01:21:21,918
to do that,
nor did anybody else at the institute.
1312
01:21:22,002 --> 01:21:26,464
And that's what still bothers me
to this day about this entire case.
1313
01:21:27,215 --> 01:21:28,884
[Vince] Bruce would tell us
1314
01:21:28,967 --> 01:21:31,386
that he didn't have
the skill set to grow the spores.
1315
01:21:31,970 --> 01:21:33,930
But I met with
a leading scientist and said,
1316
01:21:34,014 --> 01:21:36,808
"How many people do you know
that can make spores like this?"
1317
01:21:36,892 --> 01:21:38,852
And he goes, "That I know of?"
1318
01:21:39,895 --> 01:21:41,271
"Maybe six or eight."
1319
01:21:42,022 --> 01:21:44,024
Bruce was one of the first names.
1320
01:21:44,608 --> 01:21:46,776
[reporter 2] While the FBI believes
it's solved the case,
1321
01:21:46,860 --> 01:21:50,572
an attorney for the Ivins family says
nothing could be further from the truth.
1322
01:21:50,655 --> 01:21:54,200
The evidence does not directly
tie Ivins to the anthrax letters,
1323
01:21:54,284 --> 01:21:56,036
but with the suspect now dead,
1324
01:21:56,119 --> 01:21:58,413
the government will
never have to prove that link.
1325
01:21:58,496 --> 01:22:01,124
[Paul] I was very disappointed in the FBI
1326
01:22:01,207 --> 01:22:03,460
because there was still a lot to learn,
1327
01:22:03,543 --> 01:22:07,047
and instead they closed the case
and they destroyed the evidence.
1328
01:22:07,130 --> 01:22:10,634
Almost all of those spores and samples
have now been destroyed,
1329
01:22:10,717 --> 01:22:16,598
and so, uh, there's no chance to go back
and reopen this and look at it.
1330
01:22:17,474 --> 01:22:19,601
[newscaster] Now to that
anthrax investigation,
1331
01:22:19,684 --> 01:22:22,228
as you know, the prime suspect
committed suicide--
1332
01:22:22,312 --> 01:22:24,981
[reporter 3] News crews now descending
upon the widow's home…
1333
01:22:25,065 --> 01:22:28,151
You know, when I found out
that he committed suicide,
1334
01:22:28,234 --> 01:22:29,861
I thought through it a lot.
1335
01:22:29,945 --> 01:22:32,822
I'd seen what the FBI had done
with Steven Hatfill.
1336
01:22:32,906 --> 01:22:34,741
The pressure that they'd put on him
1337
01:22:34,824 --> 01:22:36,201
to try to break him…
1338
01:22:37,827 --> 01:22:40,455
[Diane] It wasn't unusual
for him to sleep all day
1339
01:22:40,538 --> 01:22:44,084
because he's been depressed
and concerned about this investigation.
1340
01:22:45,794 --> 01:22:49,339
He's been incredibly, incredibly stressed
because of the way he's been hounded
1341
01:22:49,422 --> 01:22:50,465
by the FBI.
1342
01:22:50,548 --> 01:22:51,549
[man] I can imagine.
1343
01:22:52,258 --> 01:22:55,553
[Diane] And I felt that
he couldn't take it anymore.
1344
01:22:57,263 --> 01:23:00,266
[Jeffrey] Bruce talked about them
threatening his family,
1345
01:23:01,184 --> 01:23:04,145
trying to get his children
to testify against him.
1346
01:23:05,230 --> 01:23:07,774
Maybe he sent the letters,
and maybe he didn't.
1347
01:23:11,152 --> 01:23:16,449
But it was the pressure of the FBI
is why Bruce committed suicide.
1348
01:23:18,576 --> 01:23:20,203
It's really hard for me to hear that,
1349
01:23:20,286 --> 01:23:23,581
when I feel like
we're accused of driving him to suicide.
1350
01:23:23,665 --> 01:23:28,753
We did everything we could
to both keep him safe, right?
1351
01:23:28,837 --> 01:23:30,964
To protect himself and protect the public,
1352
01:23:31,047 --> 01:23:33,466
but also pursuing him aggressively
because we had to,
1353
01:23:33,550 --> 01:23:36,469
because we were convinced he was
the one who committed the anthrax attacks.
1354
01:23:40,056 --> 01:23:42,100
[reporter 4] The investigation
into the Anthrax Killer
1355
01:23:42,183 --> 01:23:45,645
is being called the FBI's
most expensive undertaking ever.
1356
01:23:45,729 --> 01:23:48,106
The agency spent more than $10 million…
1357
01:23:48,189 --> 01:23:51,860
Over the past seven years,
they've followed up 50,000 leads
1358
01:23:51,943 --> 01:23:53,528
on six continents,
1359
01:23:53,611 --> 01:23:56,614
conducted 9,000-plus interviews,
1360
01:23:56,698 --> 01:23:59,534
and issued 6,000 grand jury subpoenas.
1361
01:23:59,617 --> 01:24:00,994
They never let this go.
1362
01:24:01,953 --> 01:24:05,373
What could ever possibly
motivate somebody to mail anthrax
1363
01:24:05,457 --> 01:24:06,833
and kill innocent victims?
1364
01:24:08,668 --> 01:24:11,212
And when you think
about the letters themselves,
1365
01:24:11,296 --> 01:24:15,175
the letters didn't get to Tom Brokaw.
They didn't get to Senator Daschle.
1366
01:24:16,092 --> 01:24:17,802
But who are the people who get sick?
1367
01:24:19,471 --> 01:24:21,598
Mr. Stevens in Florida.
1368
01:24:23,099 --> 01:24:25,518
The people who opened the letters in NBC.
1369
01:24:25,602 --> 01:24:27,020
Let's close off…
1370
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:32,942
[Rachel] The people who were working
in the Hart Senate Office Building.
1371
01:24:34,736 --> 01:24:36,279
People were coming in contact with it
1372
01:24:36,362 --> 01:24:38,615
just through the course
of their, like, duty
1373
01:24:38,698 --> 01:24:41,367
as a civilian employee
of the U.S. Postal Service.
1374
01:24:43,578 --> 01:24:46,331
[male official] We have provided you
copies of the court documents
1375
01:24:46,414 --> 01:24:47,332
which give details…
1376
01:24:47,415 --> 01:24:50,168
When I heard about the press conference,
1377
01:24:50,251 --> 01:24:52,504
I said, "Okay, I need to be there."
1378
01:24:53,505 --> 01:24:56,007
I have a postal press badge
1379
01:24:56,674 --> 01:24:57,675
and they let me in.
1380
01:24:57,759 --> 01:24:58,843
[reporters chattering]
1381
01:24:58,927 --> 01:25:02,972
How big a factor was Dr. Hatfill?
How did the FBI get so off track?
1382
01:25:03,056 --> 01:25:06,684
If you talk a little more
about the meeting with the family…
1383
01:25:06,768 --> 01:25:07,936
[Dena] I have a question.
1384
01:25:08,019 --> 01:25:11,272
-Yes, in the back.
-I'd like to ask the Postal Inspector…
1385
01:25:11,356 --> 01:25:16,027
Um, when are you-- Are you planning
to brief or speak with the postal workers
1386
01:25:16,111 --> 01:25:19,030
who were affected,
or is that the end of it?
1387
01:25:19,114 --> 01:25:23,701
Um, we, today, this morning, sent out
a letter from the Postmaster General
1388
01:25:23,785 --> 01:25:25,745
to all of our postal employees.
1389
01:25:26,412 --> 01:25:29,582
I was just appalled
that they dismissed us like that,
1390
01:25:29,666 --> 01:25:31,668
and they just continue to dismiss us.
1391
01:25:31,751 --> 01:25:35,338
I would like to know, are you all planning
to do anything to meet with us
1392
01:25:35,421 --> 01:25:39,634
so that we can, um, get a briefing
and also ask our questions?
1393
01:25:40,593 --> 01:25:42,637
Of course, we'll answer the questions
1394
01:25:42,720 --> 01:25:45,765
as the questions
come in to, uh, to the Postal Service.
1395
01:25:45,849 --> 01:25:49,644
But remember, we have 700,000 employees
across the country.
1396
01:25:59,362 --> 01:26:02,407
[somber music playing]
1397
01:26:07,078 --> 01:26:09,581
Brentwood was renamed
1398
01:26:09,664 --> 01:26:13,001
the Joseph P. Curseen Junior
and Thomas Morris Junior
1399
01:26:13,084 --> 01:26:16,296
Processing and Distribution Facility.
1400
01:26:17,547 --> 01:26:20,341
And I thought
that was a beautiful tribute.
1401
01:26:24,387 --> 01:26:26,681
I can't hold bitterness.
1402
01:26:26,764 --> 01:26:28,600
I can't hold hatred.
1403
01:26:28,683 --> 01:26:30,143
Obviously…
1404
01:26:31,436 --> 01:26:34,814
He… He… This person had issues,
1405
01:26:34,898 --> 01:26:38,318
and something wasn't quite right there.
1406
01:26:39,444 --> 01:26:41,571
And because we're all intertwined,
1407
01:26:43,031 --> 01:26:45,366
innocent people get caught up in it.
1408
01:26:49,996 --> 01:26:53,791
I feel bad for him, that if he did this,
1409
01:26:53,875 --> 01:26:56,628
that his mind took him there.
1410
01:27:01,090 --> 01:27:04,469
[Casey] Clearly, suicide
is horrible and terrible,
1411
01:27:05,220 --> 01:27:09,766
but the fact that I knew that this person
who may have killed five people
1412
01:27:09,849 --> 01:27:13,311
wasn't alive anymore…
is that a terrible thing to say? I…
1413
01:27:14,187 --> 01:27:18,483
I was just somewhat relieved
that he wasn't around anymore.
1414
01:27:19,734 --> 01:27:20,735
Sorry, God.
1415
01:27:26,866 --> 01:27:29,285
[Terrence] The names on that building,
1416
01:27:30,286 --> 01:27:32,956
it's a testament for us
as to what happened,
1417
01:27:33,539 --> 01:27:35,250
you know? And, um…
1418
01:27:36,084 --> 01:27:37,210
I'm sorry.
1419
01:27:37,919 --> 01:27:39,921
[sniffling] I'm sorry.
1420
01:27:44,259 --> 01:27:45,260
I'm sorry.
1421
01:27:46,094 --> 01:27:47,262
[voice breaking] But…
1422
01:27:50,640 --> 01:27:52,684
Um… I'm sorry…
1423
01:27:53,685 --> 01:27:55,103
The… [sniffles]
1424
01:27:56,187 --> 01:27:58,022
I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
1425
01:27:58,106 --> 01:27:59,482
[crying]
1426
01:28:02,277 --> 01:28:03,611
I'm sorry. So…
1427
01:28:06,781 --> 01:28:08,491
I think different people
1428
01:28:09,993 --> 01:28:12,495
walk away from this with different things.
1429
01:28:13,454 --> 01:28:15,123
Um… [sniffles]
1430
01:28:15,873 --> 01:28:17,000
Um…
1431
01:28:19,460 --> 01:28:20,837
[sighs]
1432
01:28:20,920 --> 01:28:25,341
And I think we're still
learning from the experience.
1433
01:28:30,221 --> 01:28:32,390
[somber music playing]
1434
01:28:49,365 --> 01:28:52,327
My throat was raw
and I couldn't hardly swallow.
1435
01:28:52,410 --> 01:28:54,996
I could barely eat.
I couldn't keep anything down.
1436
01:28:55,079 --> 01:28:57,790
I was having problems breathing.
My throat was real sore.
1437
01:28:57,874 --> 01:28:59,876
I feel as though we were betrayed.
1438
01:29:06,841 --> 01:29:10,636
[camera shutters clicking]
1439
01:29:20,313 --> 01:29:23,608
[man 1] This is the video deposition
of John Ashcroft.
1440
01:29:24,275 --> 01:29:26,611
[man 2] Is it appropriate
for Department of Justice officials
1441
01:29:26,694 --> 01:29:30,031
to suggest that
Dr. Hatfill fits a behavioral profile
1442
01:29:30,114 --> 01:29:31,157
of the Anthrax Killer?
1443
01:29:31,240 --> 01:29:32,492
I don't know.
1444
01:29:32,575 --> 01:29:34,827
[man 2] You don't know whether
it was appropriate
1445
01:29:34,911 --> 01:29:36,371
to disclose that kind of information?
1446
01:29:36,454 --> 01:29:37,455
I don't know.
1447
01:29:37,538 --> 01:29:39,624
[man 2] Do you think it's fair
to Dr. Hatfill?
1448
01:29:39,707 --> 01:29:40,708
I don't know.
1449
01:29:50,259 --> 01:29:52,512
What direct evidence do you have?
1450
01:29:52,595 --> 01:29:56,933
For instance, do you have any tape
that was used on the envelope
1451
01:29:57,016 --> 01:29:58,518
that was recovered from his home?
1452
01:29:58,601 --> 01:30:02,188
Do you have any other, uh, evidence
1453
01:30:02,271 --> 01:30:05,733
that clearly would link him?
For instance, the affidavit mentions
1454
01:30:05,817 --> 01:30:09,320
that people of this sort
often keep souvenirs.
1455
01:30:09,404 --> 01:30:11,364
[reporter 1] It was known
as the "Quantico Letter."
1456
01:30:11,447 --> 01:30:14,367
It was a letter sent in September of 2001
1457
01:30:14,450 --> 01:30:16,744
identifying an Arab-American scientist…
1458
01:30:16,828 --> 01:30:20,123
[reporter 2] Were you able to place him
at the mailboxes in Princeton?
1459
01:30:20,206 --> 01:30:21,290
Like a gas receipt?
1460
01:30:21,374 --> 01:30:24,752
[official] We don't have that piece
of direct evidence you mention.
1461
01:30:24,836 --> 01:30:25,878
[reporters clamor]
1462
01:30:25,962 --> 01:30:29,549
[reporter 3] Can you speak broadly about
some of the skepticism that people have?
1463
01:30:29,632 --> 01:30:30,842
Is that normal?