1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:38,162 --> 00:00:40,289 - Do you need bottles? - I have bottles. 4 00:00:48,923 --> 00:00:50,925 Does anyone need... You need bottles? 5 00:00:51,968 --> 00:00:53,552 What time? 4:15? 6 00:00:53,803 --> 00:00:55,554 The timekeepers are going to give a signal. 7 00:00:55,554 --> 00:00:56,597 Okay. 8 00:01:02,436 --> 00:01:04,689 Everyone has bottles? Okay. 9 00:01:04,814 --> 00:01:06,607 - You ready to go in? - Let's go. 10 00:01:20,997 --> 00:01:23,249 There's a guard walking around looking puzzled. 11 00:01:23,624 --> 00:01:26,252 I think he's trying to count the number of people. 12 00:01:32,591 --> 00:01:34,343 I'm really nervous, man. 13 00:01:35,970 --> 00:01:38,932 - Let's start. - Let's go, let's do it, go. 14 00:01:39,390 --> 00:01:41,350 - Mic check. - Mic check! 15 00:01:41,600 --> 00:01:43,186 - Mic check. - Mic check! 16 00:01:43,686 --> 00:01:47,481 - 100,000 dead. - 100,000 dead! 17 00:01:47,732 --> 00:01:49,317 100,000 dead! 18 00:01:49,567 --> 00:01:51,360 - 100,000 dead! - Don't do anything. 19 00:01:51,610 --> 00:01:53,612 You can't do anything as far as... 20 00:01:53,863 --> 00:01:56,532 - Temple of death. - Temple of death! 21 00:01:56,783 --> 00:01:59,744 - Temple of money. - Temple of money! 22 00:01:59,994 --> 00:02:02,747 - Temple of greed. - Temple of greed! 23 00:02:02,997 --> 00:02:06,125 - Temple of Oxy. - Temple of Oxy! 24 00:02:06,375 --> 00:02:09,712 - Sacklers lie. - Sacklers lie! 25 00:02:09,963 --> 00:02:13,174 - Thousands die. - Thousands die! 26 00:02:13,549 --> 00:02:16,970 - The Sacklers knew... - The Sacklers knew... 27 00:02:17,220 --> 00:02:20,598 - Their pills would kill. - Their pills would kill! 28 00:02:21,182 --> 00:02:22,725 They built this wing! 29 00:02:22,976 --> 00:02:25,311 - They killed this wing... - Take this outside... 30 00:02:25,311 --> 00:02:27,230 Excuse me. No, excuse me... 31 00:02:42,745 --> 00:02:44,956 - Sacklers lie! - People die! 32 00:02:45,206 --> 00:02:47,583 - Sacklers lie! - People die! 33 00:02:47,834 --> 00:02:50,419 - Sacklers lie! - People die! 34 00:04:04,994 --> 00:04:08,247 It's easy to make your life into stories. 35 00:04:09,540 --> 00:04:15,254 But it's harder to... sustain real memories. 36 00:04:18,424 --> 00:04:20,093 What do you mean? 37 00:04:22,803 --> 00:04:25,849 Well, the difference between the story and the real memory. 38 00:04:29,310 --> 00:04:32,897 The real experience has a smell and is dirty, 39 00:04:33,147 --> 00:04:37,026 and is not wrapped up in simple endings. 40 00:04:43,616 --> 00:04:48,871 The real memories are what affects me now. 41 00:04:52,083 --> 00:04:55,336 Things can appear that you didn't want to see, 42 00:04:55,794 --> 00:04:58,131 where you're not safe. 43 00:04:59,423 --> 00:05:03,219 And even if you don't actually unleash the memories, 44 00:05:03,469 --> 00:05:07,348 the effect is there. It's in your body. 45 00:05:32,665 --> 00:05:34,042 All right. 46 00:06:40,441 --> 00:06:45,696 It was a claustrophobic suburb. "Don't let the neighbors know." 47 00:06:45,946 --> 00:06:50,201 My mother used to say that all the time. It wasn't just an attitude. 48 00:06:50,451 --> 00:06:53,204 Actually, the neighbors did know, we found out years later 49 00:06:53,329 --> 00:06:56,165 'cause there was so much screaming in the house. 50 00:06:58,126 --> 00:07:00,128 Tell me about your sister. 51 00:07:03,672 --> 00:07:10,513 My mother insisted that Barbara speak in full sentences at the age of one. 52 00:07:11,430 --> 00:07:16,644 And so she stopped talking for at least a year and a half. 53 00:07:18,104 --> 00:07:22,024 Yeah, that was the first act of rebellion by my sister. 54 00:07:28,447 --> 00:07:31,909 She would just wash my hair or hold me, 55 00:07:32,160 --> 00:07:35,704 or these kind of things that you need when you're a kid. 56 00:07:36,872 --> 00:07:39,583 And she knew how to do that, even though 57 00:07:39,833 --> 00:07:42,628 she hadn't been mothered in that way. 58 00:07:46,048 --> 00:07:48,884 She made me aware at a very young age 59 00:07:49,135 --> 00:07:53,931 about the banality and deadening grip of suburbia. 60 00:08:01,272 --> 00:08:03,899 She had a wildness to her. 61 00:08:09,071 --> 00:08:11,865 She played the piano constantly. 62 00:08:12,366 --> 00:08:16,995 Chopin... Rachmaninoff, Tchaikovsky... 63 00:08:17,246 --> 00:08:21,459 And you could tell how she was feeling by how she was playing. 64 00:08:24,753 --> 00:08:29,091 The parakeets would sit on her shoulders while she played. 65 00:08:31,427 --> 00:08:34,763 She trusted me with all her secrets. 66 00:08:38,767 --> 00:08:43,564 She went on Saturday nights to the movies to make out with boys. 67 00:08:45,816 --> 00:08:50,028 That was when she stood up for herself and yelled back. 68 00:08:52,448 --> 00:08:56,410 And she talked to me about feelings for other girls. 69 00:08:59,330 --> 00:09:04,627 It was a period of sexual repression, and she was made to fear her sexuality. 70 00:09:07,755 --> 00:09:10,966 And a lot of it was her need to be held. 71 00:09:15,888 --> 00:09:20,226 She had a saying: "Lean cat, savage cat." 72 00:09:22,228 --> 00:09:24,480 I felt very close to her, 73 00:09:24,730 --> 00:09:29,193 but she was in and out of institutions for most of my childhood. 74 00:09:32,446 --> 00:09:36,825 Once they started sending her away, they kept sending her away. 75 00:09:40,496 --> 00:09:43,874 My parents took away her credibility and... 76 00:09:44,625 --> 00:09:48,546 silenced her by calling her "mentally ill." 77 00:09:55,386 --> 00:09:57,888 The police came into the house. 78 00:09:58,389 --> 00:10:02,810 My father started wailing on the front lawn, wailing. 79 00:10:03,769 --> 00:10:06,439 They were talking to my mother, saying that 80 00:10:06,689 --> 00:10:10,443 "We found your daughter, and she committed suicide." 81 00:10:11,569 --> 00:10:16,657 And I heard my mother say, "Tell the children it was an accident." 82 00:10:17,950 --> 00:10:23,539 My interpretation from that minute was... denial. 83 00:10:23,956 --> 00:10:26,709 She didn't want us to know the truth. 84 00:10:28,461 --> 00:10:30,796 That's when it clicked. 85 00:10:50,190 --> 00:10:53,569 Okay, let's try it towards the left. 86 00:11:03,912 --> 00:11:05,914 - Yeah. - Or like in the middle? 87 00:11:06,164 --> 00:11:09,918 I don't know. Can you move over to the right? 88 00:11:10,168 --> 00:11:11,545 Keep going, okay, 89 00:11:11,795 --> 00:11:15,633 I can't really see because your body... Thank you. 90 00:11:15,883 --> 00:11:16,592 Wow. 91 00:11:18,302 --> 00:11:19,637 Do you like it? 92 00:11:19,887 --> 00:11:23,807 Okay, I just want to see one more thing. Can you switch these two? 93 00:11:24,642 --> 00:11:28,979 Okay, and one more idea. A couple more ideas. 94 00:11:29,688 --> 00:11:32,441 I could do this all night. Watch out. 95 00:11:33,692 --> 00:11:34,735 Yeah... 96 00:11:39,823 --> 00:11:42,785 I was thinking about this last night that... 97 00:11:43,035 --> 00:11:46,747 People talk about all kinds of relationships, with their partner, 98 00:11:46,997 --> 00:11:49,708 their children, their parents and... 99 00:11:50,250 --> 00:11:52,545 The relationships that have mattered most to me, 100 00:11:52,795 --> 00:11:55,172 probably my whole life, are my friends. 101 00:11:56,256 --> 00:11:58,884 I only escaped because of my friends. 102 00:11:59,760 --> 00:12:00,844 Right. 103 00:12:04,848 --> 00:12:07,267 Yeah, that's better. That's perfect. 104 00:12:19,237 --> 00:12:21,949 "I survived the opioid crisis. 105 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:24,827 "I narrowly escaped. 106 00:12:27,162 --> 00:12:32,084 "My relationship to OxyContin began several years ago in Berlin. 107 00:12:33,085 --> 00:12:36,171 "It was originally prescribed for surgery. 108 00:12:37,756 --> 00:12:41,552 "Though I took it as directed, I got addicted overnight. 109 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,889 "In the beginning, 40 milligrams was too strong. 110 00:12:46,181 --> 00:12:49,226 "But as my habit grew, there was never enough. 111 00:12:51,061 --> 00:12:55,566 "I went from 3 pills a day, as prescribed, to 18. 112 00:12:56,817 --> 00:12:59,903 "The drug, like all drugs, lost its effect. 113 00:13:00,195 --> 00:13:02,448 "So I picked up the straw. 114 00:13:03,991 --> 00:13:07,870 "My life revolved entirely around getting and using Oxy, 115 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:13,250 "counting and recounting, crushing and snorting was my full-time job. 116 00:13:16,670 --> 00:13:19,965 "When I got out of treatment, I learned that the Sackler family, 117 00:13:20,215 --> 00:13:22,676 "whose name I knew from museums and galleries, 118 00:13:23,093 --> 00:13:25,638 "were responsible for the epidemic. 119 00:13:27,264 --> 00:13:30,643 "The Sackler family and their private company, Purdue Pharma, 120 00:13:30,893 --> 00:13:35,606 "advertised and distributed their medication, knowing all the dangers. 121 00:13:37,775 --> 00:13:41,862 "I've started a group, P.A.I.N., to hold them accountable. 122 00:13:43,572 --> 00:13:46,742 "To get their ear, we will target their philanthropy. 123 00:13:46,992 --> 00:13:48,869 "They have washed their blood money through the halls 124 00:13:49,119 --> 00:13:52,831 "of museums and universities around the world." 125 00:13:58,921 --> 00:14:02,883 I had no idea that it was going to actually have the traction that it did. 126 00:14:03,133 --> 00:14:06,887 It's definitely among the, if not the most, 127 00:14:07,387 --> 00:14:10,974 proud moments of my tenure as editor of the magazine. 128 00:14:12,142 --> 00:14:14,061 She knew how to use her power. 129 00:14:14,311 --> 00:14:16,730 She's a figure that these museums also wanted to work with. 130 00:14:16,980 --> 00:14:21,359 They want in their collections. She's a major name in the art world. 131 00:14:21,610 --> 00:14:23,529 When she published the portfolio 132 00:14:23,779 --> 00:14:25,781 it was the fact that she was doing it that mattered. 133 00:14:26,031 --> 00:14:29,952 I knew this would put her on the line in a real serious way and... 134 00:14:30,243 --> 00:14:34,372 I was concerned for her safety. I was concerned for... 135 00:14:34,832 --> 00:14:38,711 whether she would be drummed out of the art world. 136 00:14:38,961 --> 00:14:40,629 I think that... 137 00:14:41,589 --> 00:14:46,051 She was taking on a very powerful family, one of the most powerful families. 138 00:14:50,388 --> 00:14:54,059 I mean, if anyone belongs in jail, it's these people. 139 00:14:54,518 --> 00:14:57,145 And as long as there's a jail, they should be in it... 140 00:14:58,230 --> 00:15:00,941 until the whole prison system is dismantled. 141 00:15:01,191 --> 00:15:03,193 They should be the last to leave. 142 00:15:03,986 --> 00:15:06,614 - Last one, lights out. - Last one. 143 00:15:07,447 --> 00:15:12,035 After I met Nan and we connected on levels of... 144 00:15:12,452 --> 00:15:17,165 having experience with addiction and stuff like that... 145 00:15:17,583 --> 00:15:21,044 She said, "Why don't you come to one of our P.A.I.N. meetings?" 146 00:15:22,170 --> 00:15:26,258 Most members of P.A.I.N. have a direct experience with addiction, 147 00:15:26,508 --> 00:15:28,343 or loss of a loved one. 148 00:15:28,594 --> 00:15:32,305 We have members who lost their children... 149 00:15:33,557 --> 00:15:37,435 to overdose, that have family members who are struggling, 150 00:15:37,686 --> 00:15:39,688 or that they themselves have struggled. 151 00:15:40,147 --> 00:15:42,941 Yeah, but death is the bottom line of this, 152 00:15:43,191 --> 00:15:46,486 and that should be reminded, we should do a die-in of some sort. 153 00:15:46,737 --> 00:15:48,363 Do we want to marshal numbers? 154 00:15:48,488 --> 00:15:51,116 - But each of us will be then responsible... - Trusted friends... 155 00:15:51,366 --> 00:15:53,035 The focus on the family, 156 00:15:53,410 --> 00:15:56,454 I would say there was a little bit of fear in the group about 157 00:15:56,705 --> 00:15:58,957 going straight for them, although we felt that we should. 158 00:15:59,750 --> 00:16:02,252 Yeah, this is the decisive one. 159 00:16:02,670 --> 00:16:06,381 Nan actually said, "Do you think my career will implode?" 160 00:16:06,632 --> 00:16:08,258 And I said, "Probably." 161 00:16:08,634 --> 00:16:13,055 I said, "Yes, these are very scary, powerful people. 162 00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:16,058 "But then again, what else can you do?" 163 00:16:16,308 --> 00:16:19,770 And she said, "I think we should take these people down." 164 00:16:20,020 --> 00:16:22,564 And I said, "Well, I'm with you." 165 00:16:23,356 --> 00:16:27,402 And then we started meeting and we would sit in Nan's house 166 00:16:27,695 --> 00:16:30,572 and dream up of things we wanted to do. 167 00:16:35,243 --> 00:16:36,870 He's really sweet. 168 00:16:37,621 --> 00:16:39,748 He's sweet on Alex, man. 169 00:16:40,666 --> 00:16:42,000 Go on. 170 00:16:50,133 --> 00:16:54,096 Let's see where it all starts here. 171 00:16:54,638 --> 00:16:59,434 I mean, there's literally so many of these that it's hard for me to find... 172 00:16:59,893 --> 00:17:05,649 Yeah, this is September 2019... I get this legal hold notice. 173 00:17:06,066 --> 00:17:08,068 "Dear Mr. Keefe, I write on behalf of my clients, 174 00:17:08,318 --> 00:17:09,737 "members of the Raymond Sackler family. 175 00:17:09,987 --> 00:17:14,992 "You are hereby directed to preserve and not to destroy, conceal or alter 176 00:17:15,242 --> 00:17:18,078 "any and all documents and communications in your possession 177 00:17:18,245 --> 00:17:21,373 "that relate in any way to any members of the Sackler family, 178 00:17:21,498 --> 00:17:24,584 "the article, Purdue Pharma, and/or OxyContin..." 179 00:17:24,835 --> 00:17:26,419 And on and on and on. 180 00:17:27,713 --> 00:17:31,591 One of the things that's so strange about the Sackler family is that 181 00:17:31,842 --> 00:17:33,802 we talk about them in monolithic terms, 182 00:17:34,052 --> 00:17:36,513 but really it's three families and... 183 00:17:36,764 --> 00:17:41,018 they spring from these three original brothers, Arthur, Mortimer and Raymond. 184 00:17:41,643 --> 00:17:43,145 His name is Arthur Sackler. 185 00:17:43,395 --> 00:17:47,733 For 40 years, he has brought energy, goodwill and intelligence to art. 186 00:17:48,483 --> 00:17:49,985 He owns thousands of works, 187 00:17:50,235 --> 00:17:52,905 presently displayed not only at the Metropolitan Museum, 188 00:17:53,155 --> 00:17:55,991 but in university collections as well. 189 00:17:58,201 --> 00:18:03,123 Knowing that the goal of peace is engraved in your hearts, 190 00:18:03,373 --> 00:18:06,919 Mrs. Sackler and I present to you this verse... 191 00:18:07,502 --> 00:18:10,422 Arthur died before the introduction of OxyContin. 192 00:18:10,672 --> 00:18:16,386 And yet so much of what's happened is, in part, a function of Arthur's legacy. 193 00:18:17,930 --> 00:18:22,768 His contemporaries knew him as this great art collector and this philanthropist. 194 00:18:23,060 --> 00:18:25,020 And the dirty secret was that 195 00:18:25,270 --> 00:18:28,148 he had come to this position of prominence and great wealth 196 00:18:28,398 --> 00:18:31,609 through the marketing of this drug, which also happened to be quite addictive. 197 00:18:33,028 --> 00:18:39,868 He creates a whole means of selling Valium in which you're targeting doctors. 198 00:18:40,410 --> 00:18:43,705 He devised a compensation scheme in which 199 00:18:43,956 --> 00:18:46,792 he would get paid a series of escalating bonuses 200 00:18:47,042 --> 00:18:48,919 based on how much Valium they sold. 201 00:18:49,169 --> 00:18:51,129 Well, Valium becomes the best-selling drug 202 00:18:51,504 --> 00:18:54,299 in the history of the pharmaceutical industry. 203 00:18:54,466 --> 00:18:55,801 From his personal collection, 204 00:18:56,051 --> 00:19:00,180 Sackler gave the Smithsonian carte blanche to select a thousand pieces, 205 00:19:00,430 --> 00:19:02,474 the best from a lifetime of collecting. 206 00:19:04,226 --> 00:19:08,021 The whole Sackler enterprise has been about marketing, 207 00:19:08,271 --> 00:19:12,234 the marketing of OxyContin, but also the marketing of the family name. 208 00:19:12,943 --> 00:19:16,446 There's the family of the art world and the museum world and philanthropy. 209 00:19:16,696 --> 00:19:22,535 And then there's the kind of grubby, unpleasant story of... 210 00:19:23,411 --> 00:19:26,748 big pharma marketing and addiction and death. 211 00:19:27,249 --> 00:19:29,793 Don't be afraid to take what they give you. 212 00:19:30,043 --> 00:19:32,796 Often it will be an opioid medication. 213 00:19:33,255 --> 00:19:36,383 Some patients may be afraid of taking opioids 214 00:19:36,633 --> 00:19:40,428 because they're perceived as too strong, or addictive. 215 00:19:40,762 --> 00:19:43,098 But that is far from actual fact. 216 00:19:44,141 --> 00:19:49,021 The Sacklers owned Purdue, this company that set out very deliberately 217 00:19:49,271 --> 00:19:52,107 to change the way in which these strong opioids were prescribed 218 00:19:52,357 --> 00:19:55,652 and to do so, by claiming that they weren't addictive. 219 00:19:56,778 --> 00:19:59,156 A week or two after my article came out, 220 00:19:59,406 --> 00:20:02,242 I got this email, this kind of cryptic email 221 00:20:02,700 --> 00:20:04,702 from the studio of Nan Goldin that said, 222 00:20:04,953 --> 00:20:07,747 "The photographer Nan Goldin would like to meet with you." 223 00:20:07,998 --> 00:20:10,208 And I was a little mystified, didn't know what it was about. 224 00:20:10,458 --> 00:20:12,294 But we set up a meeting. 225 00:20:12,502 --> 00:20:14,212 She had this kind of "roll up your sleeves, 226 00:20:14,462 --> 00:20:15,964 "We gotta do something! We gotta organize! 227 00:20:16,214 --> 00:20:21,428 "We gotta get out there!" And I probably was... 228 00:20:22,804 --> 00:20:26,266 I blush to think, but I probably was gently patronizing and said, 229 00:20:26,516 --> 00:20:30,062 "Well, good for you, glad to hear it. You keep me posted on that." 230 00:20:40,405 --> 00:20:42,950 I love working in a material I know. 231 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,243 Blue valium bottles. 232 00:20:47,162 --> 00:20:51,416 My anger at the Sackler family, it's personal. 233 00:20:51,666 --> 00:20:57,589 I hate these people, but it's not about my own addiction. 234 00:20:58,590 --> 00:21:02,552 I mean, when you think of the profit off people's pain. 235 00:21:02,886 --> 00:21:06,014 You can only be furious about it. 236 00:21:06,431 --> 00:21:10,102 Sacklers lie, people die! Fund harm reduction now! 237 00:21:10,352 --> 00:21:13,813 Sacklers lie, people die! Fund harm reduction now! 238 00:21:14,064 --> 00:21:17,943 Sacklers lie, people die! Fund harm reduction now! 239 00:21:18,151 --> 00:21:22,114 Sacklers lie, people die! Fund harm reduction now! 240 00:21:27,285 --> 00:21:33,250 We consciously talked about Act Up and what Act Up had done. 241 00:21:33,500 --> 00:21:39,339 And how we wanted for these actions to make an impact. 242 00:21:40,507 --> 00:21:44,886 This idea of a bottle was the first object we created. 243 00:21:45,303 --> 00:21:51,559 All the museums, institutions need to stop taking money 244 00:21:51,809 --> 00:21:55,022 from these corrupt, evil bastards. 245 00:22:09,702 --> 00:22:14,291 I got thrown out of every school and every house that I lived. 246 00:22:15,959 --> 00:22:21,048 I got thrown out of my parents' home. I got thrown out of my foster family. 247 00:22:21,298 --> 00:22:24,301 I got thrown out of the communal foster family. 248 00:22:24,551 --> 00:22:25,718 - Seriously? - Yeah. 249 00:22:25,969 --> 00:22:28,680 There's not one I can think of that... 250 00:22:31,183 --> 00:22:33,851 Yeah, I made an art of it. 251 00:22:34,769 --> 00:22:39,316 Okay, but why were you with foster parents? 252 00:22:39,774 --> 00:22:44,904 A psychiatrist told my father that if I stayed in the house, 253 00:22:45,155 --> 00:22:48,200 the same thing would happen as what happened with Barbara. 254 00:22:48,783 --> 00:22:52,245 So my parents sent me to a foster agency. 255 00:22:54,039 --> 00:22:58,543 It was the Jewish adoption agency on Beacon Hill. 256 00:22:59,794 --> 00:23:03,465 Yeah. I must have been 14. 257 00:23:05,008 --> 00:23:07,510 The woman of the house straightened my hair. 258 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:10,888 She wanted me to be a WASP basically. 259 00:23:13,725 --> 00:23:19,981 I remember when I first went there, I projectile vomited all over my room. 260 00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:22,692 I must have been terrified. 261 00:23:25,487 --> 00:23:28,573 I didn't remember that till now. 262 00:23:32,827 --> 00:23:37,040 I landed in a hippie free school that couldn't throw me out. 263 00:23:39,917 --> 00:23:42,712 Satya school saved my life. 264 00:23:46,091 --> 00:23:52,639 I was shy beyond social phobia, like crippling shyness. 265 00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:58,311 There were like six months that I didn't speak at all. 266 00:23:59,354 --> 00:24:03,441 I think my sister's suicide had silenced me. 267 00:24:06,569 --> 00:24:08,821 Until I met David. 268 00:24:10,615 --> 00:24:13,826 He said I was still speaking in a whisper. 269 00:24:16,496 --> 00:24:19,040 I was 15. He was 14. 270 00:24:25,255 --> 00:24:27,757 He was a vision to me. 271 00:24:40,353 --> 00:24:43,481 We met each other, both stealing steaks. 272 00:24:45,692 --> 00:24:47,194 We were shoplifting. 273 00:24:47,444 --> 00:24:51,114 Both of us converged in the steak department. 274 00:24:51,364 --> 00:24:53,074 - Are you serious? - Yes. 275 00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:57,495 Oh, I was a great shoplifter, pretty much all my life. 276 00:24:57,912 --> 00:25:03,335 I'm not sure how good I am anymore, but that's how we became friends. 277 00:25:06,003 --> 00:25:11,634 David was a great wit, very ironic, very precise. 278 00:25:12,510 --> 00:25:15,847 And that was the coin of the realm. 279 00:25:16,389 --> 00:25:20,268 He taught me to use humor as a survival mechanism. 280 00:25:22,604 --> 00:25:26,483 He had this elegance and he was very androgynous, 281 00:25:26,733 --> 00:25:29,819 which was something I was really attracted to. 282 00:25:33,698 --> 00:25:37,118 And one night, we hitchhiked to my brother's dorm, 283 00:25:37,369 --> 00:25:39,246 'cause I was between homes, 284 00:25:39,496 --> 00:25:42,874 and he laid down on the bed and I laid down next to him. 285 00:25:43,124 --> 00:25:46,419 And he got up and laid down on the floor. 286 00:25:48,546 --> 00:25:50,798 And I said, "Are you gay?" 287 00:25:52,091 --> 00:25:54,010 And a light came on for him. 288 00:25:58,014 --> 00:26:02,101 He always said that it was the first time somebody recognized him. 289 00:26:06,356 --> 00:26:08,566 Then he named me Nan. 290 00:26:08,900 --> 00:26:11,486 So I brought him out and he named me Nan. 291 00:26:14,197 --> 00:26:16,574 So we liberated each other. 292 00:26:21,120 --> 00:26:24,457 David was the eye of my storm. 293 00:26:26,751 --> 00:26:32,965 David and Tommy in a sandpit. That's one of my first photographs. 294 00:26:40,723 --> 00:26:43,768 We all got cameras from Polaroid. 295 00:26:44,936 --> 00:26:48,565 I attached to it more than anybody else at the school. 296 00:26:50,567 --> 00:26:53,986 It was the only language I spoke at the time. 297 00:26:56,656 --> 00:27:01,661 Suddenly I had, you know, a personality, and it gave me a voice. 298 00:27:06,583 --> 00:27:10,169 Photography was always a way to walk through fear. 299 00:27:10,587 --> 00:27:13,590 Taking a picture is kind of protective. 300 00:27:16,593 --> 00:27:19,387 It gave me a reason to be there. 301 00:27:43,035 --> 00:27:47,874 David was living with this most beautiful queen in Cambridge. 302 00:27:49,166 --> 00:27:52,462 Very quickly, I moved in with them. 303 00:27:52,712 --> 00:27:54,839 ♪ Cheree, Cheree ♪ 304 00:27:58,301 --> 00:27:59,761 ♪ Oh, baby ♪ 305 00:28:00,052 --> 00:28:03,515 We went to Goodwill pretty much every day. 306 00:28:04,391 --> 00:28:07,226 All the rich women were giving their clothes to Goodwill, 307 00:28:07,477 --> 00:28:10,229 and they were exquisite clothes. 308 00:28:10,438 --> 00:28:12,106 ♪ I love you ♪ 309 00:28:12,399 --> 00:28:14,859 Like Fortuny gowns. 310 00:28:16,486 --> 00:28:18,237 ♪ Cheree, Cheree ♪ 311 00:28:22,450 --> 00:28:25,202 And we went to The Other Side every night. 312 00:28:25,453 --> 00:28:28,373 Right away, I felt at home there. 313 00:28:31,501 --> 00:28:34,962 I remember being really excited to take pictures at that time. 314 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:45,306 It was like a flash of euphoria. I know when a picture works. 315 00:28:47,517 --> 00:28:49,101 I get a rush. 316 00:28:53,022 --> 00:28:58,361 I would have the film developed in a pharmacy, and each of them would make 317 00:28:58,611 --> 00:29:03,450 a pile of the pictures of themselves and compete to see who had the biggest pile. 318 00:29:03,700 --> 00:29:07,119 If they didn't like one of the pictures, they tore them up, 319 00:29:07,370 --> 00:29:09,831 and that was okay with me. 320 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:16,713 I've always wanted the people in the pictures to be proud of being in the work. 321 00:29:19,507 --> 00:29:22,969 People have said, "Oh I didn't know I was that beautiful." 322 00:29:23,260 --> 00:29:26,806 Which is, you know, what I want them to feel. 323 00:29:31,769 --> 00:29:36,899 My roommates, they were running away from America, 324 00:29:37,775 --> 00:29:41,195 and they found each other. 325 00:29:44,115 --> 00:29:49,579 They didn't think, "We're pioneers. We're rebels." They just were. 326 00:29:50,747 --> 00:29:53,666 It was about living out what they needed to live out 327 00:29:53,916 --> 00:29:57,879 in spite of the reaction from the outside world. 328 00:30:01,674 --> 00:30:05,219 ♪ There's always those who spoil our games by finding fault and calling names ♪ 329 00:30:05,928 --> 00:30:09,557 ♪ Always accusing ♪ 330 00:30:10,182 --> 00:30:12,519 ♪ We love each other but it seems ♪ 331 00:30:12,810 --> 00:30:16,439 ♪ The love lives only in my dreams ♪ 332 00:30:16,731 --> 00:30:19,859 ♪ It's so one-sided ♪ 333 00:30:20,568 --> 00:30:22,987 ♪ But in this life, I must confess ♪ 334 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:25,907 ♪ The search for love and happiness ♪ 335 00:30:26,407 --> 00:30:30,453 ♪ Is unrequited ♪ 336 00:30:30,745 --> 00:30:33,080 ♪ I ask myself what have I got ♪ 337 00:30:33,372 --> 00:30:36,292 ♪ And what I am and what I'm not ♪ 338 00:30:37,043 --> 00:30:40,963 ♪ What have I given? ♪ 339 00:30:41,255 --> 00:30:43,841 ♪ Then answers come from those who make ♪ 340 00:30:44,133 --> 00:30:46,553 ♪ The rules that some of us must break ♪ 341 00:30:47,512 --> 00:30:51,348 ♪ Just to keep living ♪ 342 00:30:51,849 --> 00:30:54,351 ♪ I know my life is not a crime ♪ 343 00:30:54,644 --> 00:30:57,730 ♪ I'm just a victim of my time ♪ 344 00:30:58,022 --> 00:31:01,818 ♪ I stand defenseless ♪ 345 00:31:02,485 --> 00:31:04,737 ♪ Nobody has the right to be ♪ 346 00:31:05,029 --> 00:31:07,532 ♪ The judge of what is right for me ♪ 347 00:31:07,824 --> 00:31:08,950 ♪ Tell me if you can ♪ 348 00:31:09,241 --> 00:31:15,998 ♪ What makes a man a man ♪ 349 00:31:17,875 --> 00:31:19,251 While I was living with the queens, 350 00:31:19,502 --> 00:31:22,922 I started going to art school for photography. 351 00:31:24,215 --> 00:31:27,552 Said I wanted the queens to be on the cover of Vogue. 352 00:31:28,344 --> 00:31:31,514 But in those days, that was so far. 353 00:31:38,563 --> 00:31:41,774 It was a time that was really scary for them. 354 00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:46,738 You could get arrested walking down the street in Boston. 355 00:31:47,780 --> 00:31:52,243 My roommates stayed home basically, and they went out at night. 356 00:31:53,202 --> 00:31:57,707 And... survival was an art. 357 00:32:06,382 --> 00:32:10,386 David and I started going to Provincetown in '75. 358 00:32:11,303 --> 00:32:14,891 It was the gay mecca. 359 00:32:16,267 --> 00:32:18,686 I worked in a Portuguese hot dog stand. 360 00:32:18,936 --> 00:32:24,984 And then later, I got a job as a bartender at the Pied Piper, the lesbian bar. 361 00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:31,115 I was living in this separatist lesbian community. 362 00:32:33,492 --> 00:32:38,247 You know, it was sort of like flannel shirts and tea. 363 00:32:38,497 --> 00:32:42,585 And I'd come from taffeta gowns and Quaaludes. 364 00:32:42,835 --> 00:32:44,879 And so I was kind of the oddball 365 00:32:45,004 --> 00:32:48,132 'cause I would wear pearls and lipstick to the beach. 366 00:32:51,427 --> 00:32:56,265 I fell in love with this beautiful woman. We were lovers, briefly. 367 00:32:57,224 --> 00:32:59,518 She had lots of other lovers. 368 00:33:02,479 --> 00:33:04,565 I was obsessed with her. 369 00:33:06,442 --> 00:33:09,278 So I photographed her constantly. 370 00:33:10,822 --> 00:33:14,033 I have often used photography as a sublimation for sex. 371 00:33:14,742 --> 00:33:17,161 It's generally better than sex. 372 00:33:20,873 --> 00:33:22,750 I had a button machine. 373 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,252 You know, you take a picture and put it on a button. 374 00:33:25,502 --> 00:33:27,504 - You had a button machine? - Yeah... 375 00:33:27,755 --> 00:33:30,549 That was my way of making a living. 376 00:33:31,050 --> 00:33:35,888 Walking up and down Commercial Street in my high heels with my button machine, 377 00:33:36,388 --> 00:33:40,392 and Cookie and Sharon and Divine and John Waters 378 00:33:40,643 --> 00:33:43,354 came by and had buttons made. 379 00:33:44,939 --> 00:33:51,112 I knew Cookie from John Waters' films, and I already idolized her. 380 00:33:53,948 --> 00:33:55,950 ♪ I got a lot of problems ♪ 381 00:33:58,410 --> 00:34:00,788 ♪ Female trouble ♪ 382 00:34:03,499 --> 00:34:06,085 ♪ Maybe I'm twisted ♪ 383 00:34:07,003 --> 00:34:09,421 I'd like to set fire to this dump. 384 00:34:09,672 --> 00:34:12,341 Just cause we're pretty everybody's jealous. 385 00:34:12,591 --> 00:34:16,095 It's like a prison here, even at Christmas it's like a prison. 386 00:34:21,684 --> 00:34:25,312 ♪ Sunday morning ♪ 387 00:34:26,397 --> 00:34:29,776 ♪ Brings the dawning ♪ 388 00:34:30,735 --> 00:34:33,863 Cookie was all about finding what was funny in life. 389 00:34:35,698 --> 00:34:38,492 ♪ By my side ♪ 390 00:34:38,785 --> 00:34:42,371 Cookie and Sharon were together for many years. 391 00:34:45,666 --> 00:34:50,546 Sharon was working at a pizza place, and Cookie came by one night 392 00:34:50,797 --> 00:34:53,257 with her bicycle and her son, Max. 393 00:34:53,507 --> 00:34:59,847 And he had long hair with gum and popsicle sticks and leaves in it. 394 00:35:01,808 --> 00:35:04,936 And Cookie had on these little Springolator pumps, 395 00:35:05,186 --> 00:35:09,106 but they were held together with safety pins. 396 00:35:10,858 --> 00:35:15,612 And Sharon thought, "I'm gonna take care of these people." 397 00:35:16,613 --> 00:35:19,992 ♪ Sunday morning ♪ 398 00:35:20,451 --> 00:35:24,496 And then Cookie said to her, "I believe in timing." 399 00:35:25,748 --> 00:35:28,042 ♪ I've got a feeling ♪ 400 00:35:28,292 --> 00:35:34,465 Cookie took Sharon home with her through a swamp with big pussy willows. 401 00:35:36,342 --> 00:35:40,012 And that was the beginning of Cookie and Sharon. 402 00:35:42,974 --> 00:35:46,769 It was a time of freedom and possibility. 403 00:35:47,895 --> 00:35:50,940 That's when I did my first slideshows. 404 00:35:57,238 --> 00:36:01,283 You ready? Does everyone have their chant? 405 00:36:02,576 --> 00:36:06,998 That's bullshit, get off it, they made addicts just for profit. 406 00:36:07,373 --> 00:36:10,001 We were flying last night! 407 00:36:14,046 --> 00:36:16,548 We were ready to do another New York action 408 00:36:16,799 --> 00:36:19,426 and the Met and the Guggenheim to us are like 409 00:36:19,676 --> 00:36:21,804 two of the most important museums. 410 00:36:22,304 --> 00:36:27,226 And we knew that the Guggenheim had the Sackler Education Center. 411 00:36:27,601 --> 00:36:30,562 So they were like a big target for us. 412 00:36:32,523 --> 00:36:35,276 An important part of the museums we choose is 413 00:36:35,526 --> 00:36:38,529 Nan is typically in the permanent collection. 414 00:36:38,946 --> 00:36:43,159 It's much stronger when the message is coming from inside the house. 415 00:36:43,575 --> 00:36:46,037 I'm not worried. What if they recognize me? 416 00:36:46,287 --> 00:36:49,916 By the time we did the Guggenheim, our name was out there. 417 00:36:50,166 --> 00:36:53,127 Other museums were alerted that we might be coming. 418 00:36:53,377 --> 00:36:57,381 I'm supposed to wear it so that no one knows who I am. 419 00:36:57,882 --> 00:37:03,012 - That's not drawing attention. - Very subtle disguise. 420 00:37:03,262 --> 00:37:08,059 It calls a little attention, doesn't it? It's kind of horrible. 421 00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:14,065 The attorney general in Massachusetts had just released internal emails 422 00:37:14,315 --> 00:37:20,947 and documents of the Sacklers, which were vast, and had really damning quotes. 423 00:37:21,405 --> 00:37:25,952 One of them was the quote from Richard Sackler, saying that 424 00:37:26,202 --> 00:37:28,745 upon the launch of OxyContin in 1996, 425 00:37:28,996 --> 00:37:34,626 that OxyContin would cover the country in a "blizzard of prescriptions." 426 00:37:35,044 --> 00:37:39,256 I was like, "What if we made a bunch of prescriptions 427 00:37:39,631 --> 00:37:41,383 "and throw that back in their faces?" 428 00:37:45,554 --> 00:37:48,390 We're trying to align the banners with 429 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:50,476 the fountain right at the bottom of the spiral? 430 00:37:50,726 --> 00:37:51,685 - Yes. - Okay. 431 00:37:52,061 --> 00:37:55,439 - Okay, "Shame on Sacklers," right? - Yeah. 432 00:37:55,647 --> 00:37:58,484 The goal is to get the names off the walls. 433 00:37:58,734 --> 00:38:00,611 As long as the names are there, 434 00:38:00,861 --> 00:38:04,240 they still maintain their hold on their reputation. 435 00:38:04,907 --> 00:38:06,867 They're still whitewashing their reputation. 436 00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:09,078 The museums are still complicit in that. 437 00:38:14,416 --> 00:38:16,835 The energy was definitely right. 438 00:38:17,211 --> 00:38:20,297 The whole museum was already buzzing when we went in. 439 00:38:20,547 --> 00:38:21,966 It was a packed Saturday night. 440 00:38:24,593 --> 00:38:27,721 - Nan, are you ready? - No, where is everyone? 441 00:38:29,681 --> 00:38:31,517 We had a Signal thread, but it was really like, 442 00:38:31,767 --> 00:38:36,105 "Go at this time. If you see prescriptions falling, it's starting." 443 00:38:36,355 --> 00:38:37,814 - Are we ready? - Yeah. 444 00:38:53,622 --> 00:38:57,709 I was at the bottom looking up, and I checked out for a minute 445 00:38:58,002 --> 00:39:00,004 because I was looking up at the prescription slips 446 00:39:00,254 --> 00:39:04,591 and just like in awe of the visual that it created. 447 00:39:09,972 --> 00:39:14,351 Say it loud, say it clear, Sackler name not welcome here! 448 00:39:14,601 --> 00:39:19,565 Say it loud, say it clear, Sackler name does not come here! 449 00:39:20,232 --> 00:39:25,154 Say it loud, say it clear, OxyContin got them here! 450 00:39:26,655 --> 00:39:29,075 I was holding one of the banners. 451 00:39:29,450 --> 00:39:31,660 We looked like we're hundreds and hundreds of activists. 452 00:39:31,910 --> 00:39:34,163 Right? We were not hundreds and hundreds. 453 00:39:35,289 --> 00:39:39,251 People are shouting with us. They're agreeing with us. 454 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,424 - No longer! - No longer! 455 00:39:45,632 --> 00:39:49,678 - The Sackler family must go! - The Sackler family must go! 456 00:39:50,012 --> 00:39:53,849 - The Sackler family must pay! - The Sackler family must pay! 457 00:39:54,141 --> 00:39:56,685 - People die! - Sacklers lie! 458 00:39:56,852 --> 00:39:59,230 - People die! - Sacklers lie! 459 00:40:14,161 --> 00:40:18,665 Say it loud, say it clear, Sacklers are not welcome here! 460 00:40:18,957 --> 00:40:23,837 Say it loud, say it clear, Sacklers are not welcome here! 461 00:40:25,214 --> 00:40:29,760 We have journeyed from the Guggenheim down to the Met 462 00:40:30,010 --> 00:40:34,431 to send a message, a message of life and death. 463 00:40:35,474 --> 00:40:41,105 My son was prescribed OxyContin for a knee surgery in high school. 464 00:40:41,355 --> 00:40:45,484 The doctors told him: "Take the pills every four hours. 465 00:40:45,942 --> 00:40:49,613 "Take them before the pain starts. Take them on schedule." 466 00:40:50,281 --> 00:40:54,743 When my son talked of his pain, I said, "Did you take your pill?" 467 00:40:55,494 --> 00:40:58,955 I became an accomplice to my son's demise. 468 00:40:59,748 --> 00:41:02,084 - That's not right. - That ain't right! 469 00:41:02,334 --> 00:41:06,422 My son became addicted to OxyContin. It progressed to heroin. 470 00:41:06,422 --> 00:41:09,550 It took 11 years. But it fucking killed him! 471 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:14,138 It killed him. It took his life. He died alone in a bathroom. 472 00:41:14,388 --> 00:41:17,099 I don't expect the Sacklers to care about my son. 473 00:41:17,349 --> 00:41:18,184 We care! 474 00:41:18,600 --> 00:41:23,522 But 400,000 lives, right? Somebody should care about that! 475 00:41:23,689 --> 00:41:24,940 Yes! 476 00:41:33,657 --> 00:41:35,242 And how did the Guggenheim respond? 477 00:41:35,492 --> 00:41:37,411 They didn't say anything. 478 00:41:38,162 --> 00:41:40,664 The museums were keeping quiet. 479 00:41:41,373 --> 00:41:45,752 The first year, it's like 25 museums were supportive of the Sacklers. 480 00:41:46,002 --> 00:41:48,339 Either said nothing or were supportive. 481 00:41:49,256 --> 00:41:51,758 They know the Sacklers are a bad look... 482 00:41:52,008 --> 00:41:54,511 - For their PR. - Right. 483 00:41:54,761 --> 00:41:59,266 But they're terrified of what will be found out about them. 484 00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,521 The rich people are scared that we're going to dig into 485 00:42:04,771 --> 00:42:07,065 the evil way they made money. 486 00:42:21,580 --> 00:42:25,292 ♪ Hoping you might fall into it ♪ 487 00:42:25,709 --> 00:42:28,504 ♪ Love hit me like a sudden slap ♪ 488 00:42:29,838 --> 00:42:33,259 ♪ One kiss and then I knew it ♪ 489 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,513 ♪ What's this whole world comin' to ♪ 490 00:42:38,013 --> 00:42:41,225 ♪ Things just ain't the same ♪ 491 00:42:42,268 --> 00:42:45,437 ♪ Any time the hunter ♪ 492 00:42:46,146 --> 00:42:50,567 ♪ Gets captured by the game ♪ 493 00:42:52,986 --> 00:42:55,447 I moved to the Bowery in '78. 494 00:42:56,240 --> 00:43:00,076 This place that should have become a museum. 495 00:43:01,537 --> 00:43:05,207 So many people lived there, and it was one of the big addresses 496 00:43:05,457 --> 00:43:08,126 in lower New York at the time. 497 00:43:10,128 --> 00:43:13,089 It was a shithole loft because there was no light. 498 00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:16,134 It didn't have any walls for a while. 499 00:43:16,385 --> 00:43:20,013 Kind of dysfunctional, but managed to function. 500 00:43:22,308 --> 00:43:25,936 We used to fuck in the elevator. There was a lot of drugs. 501 00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:29,898 Always a lot of drugs, a lot of coke, a lot of speed. 502 00:43:30,566 --> 00:43:32,108 The Bowery was the Ballad. 503 00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:35,571 The Bowery was the Goldin headquarters. 504 00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:41,243 And that's where I was situated in the universe, was the Bowery. 505 00:43:46,457 --> 00:43:50,836 When I got to New York, this guy gave me some names of galleries. 506 00:43:51,378 --> 00:43:54,548 In those days, you went to galleries with your portfolio. 507 00:43:54,798 --> 00:43:56,883 So I called some galleries, they weren't interested. 508 00:43:57,133 --> 00:43:59,595 And then I went up to see Marvin. 509 00:43:59,845 --> 00:44:04,475 I walked in and showed these photos that no one had ever seen before. 510 00:44:04,725 --> 00:44:07,060 Totally bad prints and torn. 511 00:44:07,519 --> 00:44:10,564 And immediately, we understood each other. 512 00:44:12,148 --> 00:44:15,569 She showed up one day with a box of pictures, 513 00:44:15,819 --> 00:44:18,905 showed up in this party dress, a polka dot party dress 514 00:44:19,155 --> 00:44:23,535 with a lot of crinolines, and kind of weird makeup and... 515 00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:28,957 walked up the very fancy stairs of this gallery and... had this box of pictures. 516 00:44:29,207 --> 00:44:32,878 And I opened up this box of pictures and about 20 of them in it and... 517 00:44:33,128 --> 00:44:35,130 I had never seen pictures like that in my life. 518 00:44:35,381 --> 00:44:38,384 These portraits and pictures of people living their lives 519 00:44:38,634 --> 00:44:41,970 that really were unlike anything anybody else was doing. 520 00:44:43,179 --> 00:44:48,477 He asked me to bring more stuff, and I brought up a crate. 521 00:44:50,354 --> 00:44:55,233 And I got the cab driver to bring me up by giving him a blow job. 522 00:44:55,484 --> 00:44:58,404 So that's how I entered the art world. 523 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,783 This was 1979. 524 00:45:15,379 --> 00:45:18,131 The first week we were there, the Mudd Club opened. 525 00:45:19,049 --> 00:45:21,259 And I met Vivienne Dick. 526 00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:26,181 Vivienne was curious about everything, 527 00:45:26,432 --> 00:45:29,309 and a lot of stuff that happened, she took me to. 528 00:45:29,601 --> 00:45:30,477 ♪ Talk, talk, talk ♪ 529 00:45:30,769 --> 00:45:32,479 ♪ Well, the walls are so thin ♪ 530 00:45:32,771 --> 00:45:37,150 I mean, there were different worlds in New York that I was moving between, 531 00:45:37,651 --> 00:45:39,945 and they didn't necessarily like each other. 532 00:45:44,032 --> 00:45:48,620 The world of Vivienne and this woman I lived with named Suzanne... 533 00:45:49,496 --> 00:45:52,541 ♪ Yours eyes are shallow and your glance is cold ♪ 534 00:45:52,833 --> 00:45:54,292 And Greer... 535 00:45:55,877 --> 00:45:59,339 She was making her dolls all the time, working constantly. 536 00:45:59,631 --> 00:46:02,509 ♪ You can't be funky, you can't be funky ♪ 537 00:46:02,843 --> 00:46:06,304 ♪ You can't be funky if you haven't got a soul ♪ 538 00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:10,809 And then there was the world of Bruce. 539 00:46:14,145 --> 00:46:16,022 And David. 540 00:46:17,483 --> 00:46:20,527 ♪ Well, I lock you up tighter every place that you go ♪ 541 00:46:20,819 --> 00:46:22,278 And Cookie. 542 00:46:25,657 --> 00:46:29,870 She was the center of New York downtown life. 543 00:46:32,247 --> 00:46:33,206 ♪ Fire ♪ 544 00:46:34,958 --> 00:46:36,460 ♪ I bid you to burn ♪ 545 00:46:39,505 --> 00:46:40,422 ♪ Fire ♪ 546 00:46:40,714 --> 00:46:43,509 People used to say we were marginalized. 547 00:46:44,510 --> 00:46:46,094 And we didn't care. 548 00:46:47,971 --> 00:46:50,265 Normal people were marginalized to us. 549 00:46:50,557 --> 00:46:52,476 ♪ You fought hard and you saved ♪ 550 00:46:53,309 --> 00:46:55,061 ♪ But it's all going to burn ♪ 551 00:46:55,353 --> 00:46:58,356 Cookie was in films, she was in plays. 552 00:46:59,274 --> 00:47:02,027 And then she was writing art criticism. 553 00:47:05,030 --> 00:47:09,743 Cookie used to say, "I don't know why people think I'm wild, I'm not wild, 554 00:47:10,076 --> 00:47:13,955 "wildness just appears on the road in front of me." 555 00:47:15,081 --> 00:47:18,460 You have to hear her voice. And that tells you everything. 556 00:47:19,753 --> 00:47:23,214 This kind of irony and humor. 557 00:47:24,215 --> 00:47:26,217 "'You should really wait for Charlie to come back from the store. 558 00:47:26,468 --> 00:47:27,678 "'He's the one to talk to. 559 00:47:27,928 --> 00:47:30,055 "'He's right in there buying oranges for us.' 560 00:47:30,305 --> 00:47:32,766 "She pointed to the Haight Street Chinese fruit store, 561 00:47:33,016 --> 00:47:35,811 "but I'd had enough and thanked them and left looking for more action. 562 00:47:36,061 --> 00:47:39,439 "These girls were Susan Atkins and Squeaky Fromme and Mary Brunner and others. 563 00:47:39,606 --> 00:47:43,777 "And I missed meeting Charlie Manson by 5 minutes." 564 00:47:44,986 --> 00:47:47,906 Cookie was working as a go-go dancer. 565 00:47:49,032 --> 00:47:51,284 I was dancing in New Jersey because 566 00:47:51,535 --> 00:47:54,913 you didn't have to take your top off in New Jersey. 567 00:47:55,163 --> 00:47:57,916 New York was topless. New Jersey wasn't. 568 00:48:01,753 --> 00:48:04,380 So we'd take the bus out to Paterson, 569 00:48:04,631 --> 00:48:08,927 and go to these low life bars, and wiggle our asses, 570 00:48:09,177 --> 00:48:12,889 and then get on the bus and come back to New York. 571 00:48:13,890 --> 00:48:16,727 ♪ If you're thinking you're too cool ♪ 572 00:48:16,935 --> 00:48:19,605 I was dancing to have money to buy film. 573 00:48:22,023 --> 00:48:26,486 ♪ Boy, oh boy, have I got news for you ♪ 574 00:48:28,113 --> 00:48:31,157 Then I started in the whorehouse. 575 00:48:31,491 --> 00:48:34,077 Yeah, that got pretty ugly. 576 00:48:37,205 --> 00:48:39,791 I haven't kept many secrets in my life. 577 00:48:41,417 --> 00:48:44,129 But I never did talk about it before. 578 00:48:49,259 --> 00:48:53,304 But I think at this point in my life, I should talk about it 579 00:48:53,597 --> 00:48:56,683 because of the incredible stigma around sex work. 580 00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:07,402 Vivienne got really interested in the fact that I had worked in a house, 581 00:49:07,736 --> 00:49:11,865 and decided she wanted to make a film about it. 582 00:49:12,866 --> 00:49:14,618 It's a fiction film. 583 00:49:14,868 --> 00:49:19,956 I'm playing the madam of the house where I worked... who was a monster. 584 00:49:20,123 --> 00:49:23,209 Hi. How are you? Have you been with us before? 585 00:49:23,459 --> 00:49:25,378 She would have us on our backs all day, 586 00:49:25,629 --> 00:49:29,758 and then she'd come home from Bloomingdales, showing off her lingerie. 587 00:49:31,968 --> 00:49:35,764 I mean sex work isn't negative in itself, but it's no party. 588 00:49:36,014 --> 00:49:38,558 It's one of the hardest jobs you could have. 589 00:49:47,400 --> 00:49:50,236 And so that's how Tin Pan Alley came. 590 00:49:54,032 --> 00:49:57,493 Somebody said, "You should go meet Maggie." 591 00:49:57,744 --> 00:50:01,081 She was hiring women who had been sex workers, 592 00:50:01,331 --> 00:50:04,167 and helped people get out of it. 593 00:50:04,459 --> 00:50:09,673 She was an incredible force. She was a community organizer. 594 00:50:09,923 --> 00:50:14,678 She was a great cook. She was a radical. 595 00:50:15,846 --> 00:50:18,098 And she was a ballet dancer. 596 00:50:18,348 --> 00:50:22,268 So she hired me pretty quickly. Like immediately. 597 00:50:23,394 --> 00:50:27,315 The bar was a safe space for prostitutes and also a way 598 00:50:27,565 --> 00:50:31,402 to work their way out of prostitution if they wished to do so. 599 00:50:31,569 --> 00:50:35,073 And it was a center for those on the left, 600 00:50:35,240 --> 00:50:37,533 the squatters movement, the anarchist movement, 601 00:50:37,784 --> 00:50:38,910 the Black movement, 602 00:50:39,119 --> 00:50:42,748 people who were interested in supporting political prisoners from the Latin left. 603 00:50:42,914 --> 00:50:46,376 And so it was really a polyglot place. 604 00:50:46,626 --> 00:50:51,172 It had hustlers, it had artists, Reuters journalists. 605 00:50:51,547 --> 00:50:57,428 It had people from NBC who were on strike. And it had the IRS. 606 00:50:58,304 --> 00:51:00,849 When the IRS would come in the afternoon to get drunk, 607 00:51:01,391 --> 00:51:04,435 they were as hard to handle as the bikers. 608 00:51:05,020 --> 00:51:08,314 But the bar was controlled by women. 609 00:51:09,232 --> 00:51:11,567 It was very important to me that we not have bouncers, 610 00:51:11,818 --> 00:51:14,946 and not depend on male strength for keeping the peace. 611 00:51:16,656 --> 00:51:18,867 And so when people behind the bar, including Nan, 612 00:51:19,284 --> 00:51:23,914 decided that it was time for someone to go, that person would go. 613 00:51:25,999 --> 00:51:28,209 - It's on the house. - Oh, thanks, Nan. 614 00:51:37,302 --> 00:51:39,805 Tin Pan was very integrated. 615 00:51:40,221 --> 00:51:44,392 The New Wave was not a very integrated scene at all. 616 00:51:44,684 --> 00:51:49,689 And also it cut across class lines, which New Wave also didn't do. 617 00:51:50,065 --> 00:51:53,234 I spent a lot of time at Tin Pan but I can't say... 618 00:51:53,401 --> 00:51:56,780 Talk about repetitive nights, you know? 619 00:51:59,324 --> 00:52:03,411 When I first started, I loved it there. The first two years... 620 00:52:04,329 --> 00:52:08,750 I listened to people. Really listened. 621 00:52:10,460 --> 00:52:12,796 And they weren't used to that. 622 00:52:14,380 --> 00:52:18,009 I was sort of the dominatrix of the bar and I got tips 623 00:52:18,259 --> 00:52:22,472 because people wanted to impress me, win me back... 624 00:52:23,639 --> 00:52:28,895 And I would work till four in the morning and then we'd go to The After Hours. 625 00:52:35,568 --> 00:52:40,073 Tin Pan Alley became a major kind of staging point 626 00:52:40,323 --> 00:52:43,994 as people were planning for the Times Square Show. 627 00:52:45,078 --> 00:52:49,457 It was multi-floor. It was collaborative. 628 00:52:49,958 --> 00:52:56,965 There was graffiti, sculpture, there were painters, lots of video work. 629 00:52:57,548 --> 00:52:58,967 There was music... 630 00:53:10,770 --> 00:53:14,732 The first floor is where most of the performances were. 631 00:53:15,025 --> 00:53:18,153 So Nan invited everyone in the bar. 632 00:53:18,403 --> 00:53:20,655 So, yes, I was anxious to see her work and... 633 00:53:21,114 --> 00:53:26,577 I was sitting on the floor and this music starts and the slides start. 634 00:53:36,212 --> 00:53:38,131 ♪ I put a spell on you ♪ 635 00:53:44,637 --> 00:53:46,932 ♪ Because you're mine ♪ 636 00:53:53,021 --> 00:53:55,398 ♪ Stop the things you do ♪ 637 00:54:00,486 --> 00:54:01,487 ♪ Watch out! ♪ 638 00:54:02,197 --> 00:54:04,699 ♪ I ain't lyin' ♪ 639 00:54:08,036 --> 00:54:10,455 ♪ Yeah ♪ 640 00:54:10,621 --> 00:54:11,915 ♪ I can't stand ♪ 641 00:54:12,332 --> 00:54:13,291 ♪ Ooh! ♪ 642 00:54:13,917 --> 00:54:16,127 ♪ No running around ♪ 643 00:54:17,921 --> 00:54:20,215 ♪ I can't stand ♪ 644 00:54:22,508 --> 00:54:25,095 The work was incredibly political. 645 00:54:25,345 --> 00:54:27,305 It was about power, 646 00:54:27,555 --> 00:54:31,309 and particularly about the power that men have over women, 647 00:54:31,559 --> 00:54:35,688 and how that power is translated up in society. 648 00:54:37,023 --> 00:54:41,152 The very first time I saw Nan's slideshow, it was extremely raucous. 649 00:54:41,402 --> 00:54:44,155 What I remember mostly is the noise, 650 00:54:44,322 --> 00:54:47,283 not just of the music or of the equipment, 651 00:54:47,533 --> 00:54:52,497 but of people talking to the screen... Commenting. 652 00:54:53,831 --> 00:54:56,542 At the beginning, the audience would be made up 653 00:54:56,792 --> 00:54:59,129 exclusively of the people in the show, 654 00:54:59,379 --> 00:55:01,965 so they would scream at me if they didn't like something, 655 00:55:02,215 --> 00:55:04,717 and scream if they loved something. 656 00:55:04,968 --> 00:55:08,638 So I edited according to that to some extent. 657 00:55:10,640 --> 00:55:14,560 Then I had those pictures of my friend having sex with her boyfriend 658 00:55:14,810 --> 00:55:17,730 and she demanded I take them out at some point. 659 00:55:17,981 --> 00:55:21,651 And so that's when I started photographing myself having sex. 660 00:55:21,943 --> 00:55:26,739 I figured if I was showing her having sex, I had to show myself having sex. 661 00:55:31,077 --> 00:55:33,621 ♪ Double shot of my baby's love ♪ 662 00:55:33,913 --> 00:55:36,207 I was doing it at underground clubs and 663 00:55:36,457 --> 00:55:39,710 my boyfriend at the time was spinning records. 664 00:55:41,837 --> 00:55:44,007 So that's when the music started. 665 00:55:44,257 --> 00:55:46,217 I would start with songs that I knew and then 666 00:55:46,509 --> 00:55:49,345 people would send me music, literally. 667 00:55:49,595 --> 00:55:52,265 But I changed them every single time. 668 00:55:52,932 --> 00:55:57,979 It was fun, it was really fun. People would be dancing. 669 00:55:58,313 --> 00:56:00,773 You know, it was fabulous. 670 00:56:04,485 --> 00:56:06,821 ♪ Scream it out and say yo, hit it! ♪ 671 00:56:07,613 --> 00:56:08,781 ♪ Ya don't stop ♪ 672 00:56:09,115 --> 00:56:13,661 I was always late for everything. I didn't sleep. 673 00:56:13,911 --> 00:56:16,456 I mean, I was up all night editing. 674 00:56:20,293 --> 00:56:22,212 You never saw the same thing twice. 675 00:56:22,503 --> 00:56:24,630 She changed the music, she changed the slides, 676 00:56:24,839 --> 00:56:26,632 she changed the order of them. 677 00:56:26,632 --> 00:56:32,472 Sometimes her own changed feelings changed the meanings of them 678 00:56:32,722 --> 00:56:36,726 because her photographs don't hold just one meaning. 679 00:56:37,352 --> 00:56:42,607 You know, a lot is going on in a Nan Goldin photograph. 680 00:56:46,736 --> 00:56:49,614 And I guess that's what made people think it was so cinematic 681 00:56:49,864 --> 00:56:52,450 because to most people, they seem like characters, 682 00:56:52,700 --> 00:56:56,496 whereas to the people being photographed, they seem like themselves. 683 00:56:58,581 --> 00:57:01,251 She photographs from our side. 684 00:57:04,337 --> 00:57:07,423 The mid-80s was when I was closest to Cookie. 685 00:57:09,259 --> 00:57:15,598 She wasn't doing very well so this friend of hers told her to spin a globe 686 00:57:16,057 --> 00:57:19,394 and wherever she put her finger, to go there. 687 00:57:19,935 --> 00:57:24,190 So she went to Italy and she met Vittorio. 688 00:57:27,193 --> 00:57:29,737 It was the greatest love of her life. 689 00:57:32,698 --> 00:57:37,412 It was a huge wedding. Everyone in lower New York was there. 690 00:57:37,828 --> 00:57:43,126 Rene Ricard, Greer, David Armstrong, 691 00:57:44,585 --> 00:57:48,464 Francesco Clemente, Teri Toye... 692 00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:51,801 Peter Hujar was there. 693 00:57:52,051 --> 00:57:55,930 And we were standing next to each other taking pictures. 694 00:57:57,223 --> 00:57:59,600 It was a beautiful wedding, 695 00:58:02,061 --> 00:58:03,771 and a wild party. 696 00:58:05,273 --> 00:58:06,399 Yeah. 697 00:58:12,780 --> 00:58:16,409 ♪ He charges forth while others are debatin' ♪ 698 00:58:16,701 --> 00:58:20,330 ♪ Conniving, cocky knave with all the trimmin' ♪ 699 00:58:20,621 --> 00:58:23,749 ♪ I know one thing can trim him down ♪ 700 00:58:24,459 --> 00:58:25,751 ♪ Women ♪ 701 00:58:26,294 --> 00:58:30,673 ♪ In women he meets deep authority ♪ 702 00:58:30,923 --> 00:58:37,930 ♪ On them he feels his old dependency ♪ 703 00:58:41,016 --> 00:58:45,730 Once I started sharing the work, I got a lot of shit. 704 00:58:47,440 --> 00:58:52,695 "There's no such thing as a good woman artist," was said to me in the mid-80s. 705 00:58:53,696 --> 00:58:56,449 It was really heavy resistance... 706 00:58:57,283 --> 00:59:01,329 especially from male artists and gallerists who said, 707 00:59:01,662 --> 00:59:07,084 "This isn't photography. Nobody photographs their own life." 708 00:59:07,377 --> 00:59:11,881 It was still a kind of outlier act. 709 00:59:12,257 --> 00:59:17,262 It was basically a time of black and white, vertical photographs. 710 00:59:19,096 --> 00:59:24,143 So it's hard to understand that that could have ever been radical. 711 00:59:28,939 --> 00:59:33,611 I thought the art world was bullshit and that Times Square was real life. 712 00:59:34,612 --> 00:59:36,572 That's where I met Brian. 713 00:59:39,325 --> 00:59:46,123 Our first date, we went to see The Clash right around the corner from the bar. 714 00:59:46,624 --> 00:59:49,669 And then we went up to Harlem and copped. 715 00:59:51,629 --> 00:59:57,302 And then he just stayed. And he stayed from '81 to '84. 716 01:00:01,764 --> 01:00:05,100 He was beautiful at the time, and I fell in love with him. 717 01:00:07,645 --> 01:00:09,564 He was very tender. 718 01:00:10,898 --> 01:00:13,276 You can see it in Brian's eyes. 719 01:00:19,156 --> 01:00:24,579 We had very good sex, and that can keep people together for a long time. 720 01:00:28,999 --> 01:00:31,627 And then we started fighting a lot. 721 01:00:33,045 --> 01:00:35,298 And I was good at fighting. 722 01:00:40,345 --> 01:00:43,264 He wanted to break up and I didn't want him to. 723 01:00:43,514 --> 01:00:47,602 And then we went through that a lot, trying to break up. 724 01:00:48,853 --> 01:00:51,856 And then when I went to Berlin, we'd broken up. 725 01:00:52,106 --> 01:00:57,194 And then he came to Berlin and... And that story. 726 01:01:00,781 --> 01:01:07,037 I did a slideshow at some loft, and we went to a bar, 727 01:01:08,539 --> 01:01:14,211 and then he realized I'd been with this girl, and he became jealous. 728 01:01:14,879 --> 01:01:17,256 And that's what set it off. 729 01:01:20,593 --> 01:01:23,888 We were so intertwined, we didn't know how to break up. 730 01:01:25,139 --> 01:01:28,643 So this was his way of breaking up. 731 01:01:31,396 --> 01:01:37,485 He punched me in the face repeatedly, like boom, boom, boom. 732 01:01:37,735 --> 01:01:40,279 And he went after my eyes. 733 01:01:40,780 --> 01:01:44,867 I was bleeding and there was this girl, Sylvie, from Paris. 734 01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:50,205 Sylvie came in and dragged me out. She saved my life. 735 01:01:53,250 --> 01:01:58,589 He trashed the room and he wrote in lipstick all over the room: 736 01:01:58,839 --> 01:02:00,966 "Bitch," "Cunt"... 737 01:02:01,842 --> 01:02:03,636 He burned my diaries. 738 01:02:05,220 --> 01:02:09,434 The greatest luck of my life is that I left the slideshow 739 01:02:09,684 --> 01:02:12,978 at the loft where I'd shown it because... 740 01:02:13,145 --> 01:02:16,106 - He would have destroyed it. - He would have destroyed it. 741 01:02:16,357 --> 01:02:17,650 Yeah. 742 01:02:23,322 --> 01:02:28,327 All the bones in the orbital floor of my eye were broken. 743 01:02:29,537 --> 01:02:31,497 - And... - To go for your eyes. 744 01:02:31,622 --> 01:02:34,124 Maggie said he wanted to blind me. 745 01:02:38,838 --> 01:02:44,635 My pictures of myself battered were what kept me from going back. 746 01:02:48,973 --> 01:02:52,059 Women who've been battered have come to me and told me 747 01:02:52,309 --> 01:02:56,063 that they were able to talk about it because of those pictures. 748 01:03:00,192 --> 01:03:04,405 The struggle between autonomy and dependency is 749 01:03:04,655 --> 01:03:07,658 the core of "The Ballad of Sexual Dependency." 750 01:03:13,456 --> 01:03:17,835 My father tried to get it stopped from being published. 751 01:03:19,712 --> 01:03:25,426 The pictures were one thing, but they were so afraid of the text... 752 01:03:25,801 --> 01:03:29,680 'cause he said that I was trying to prove that they killed my sister. 753 01:03:30,598 --> 01:03:32,475 That's how he put it. 754 01:03:34,644 --> 01:03:37,271 Brian was trying to get it stopped. 755 01:03:38,313 --> 01:03:42,777 It makes it even more radical: all these men trying to stop it. 756 01:03:47,322 --> 01:03:51,494 When I got back to New York, I went to Tin Pan. 757 01:03:51,869 --> 01:03:54,789 I was terrified because there were all those men, 758 01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:57,917 and I couldn't be in a crowd with men. 759 01:03:58,417 --> 01:04:03,881 Maggie thought I was shooting dope and I wasn't, but I was snorting it. 760 01:04:05,466 --> 01:04:08,218 And I remembered when I quit Tin Pan, I thought, 761 01:04:08,469 --> 01:04:13,558 "Oh, now I'm going to get really strung out because there's nothing to stop me." 762 01:04:15,685 --> 01:04:16,977 And I did. 763 01:04:24,902 --> 01:04:27,196 It's a little scary around here. 764 01:04:28,322 --> 01:04:32,409 A New York Post reporter called me cold without being introduced. 765 01:04:32,660 --> 01:04:36,288 He called me on my cell phone. He said he got it on the internet. 766 01:04:36,539 --> 01:04:38,165 We have to really have the facts 767 01:04:38,415 --> 01:04:40,501 if we're going to go up against this family. 768 01:04:40,751 --> 01:04:42,795 They could sue us, right? 769 01:04:44,505 --> 01:04:48,968 After a few of our actions, Purdue Pharma started taking out full page ads 770 01:04:49,218 --> 01:04:54,389 in The New York Times, saying, "Of course we care about the opioid crisis. 771 01:04:54,389 --> 01:04:57,142 "We're in the market of opioids." 772 01:04:58,519 --> 01:05:02,147 People are still accepting Sackler donations. 773 01:05:03,691 --> 01:05:05,985 What's happening with the National Portrait Gallery? 774 01:05:06,235 --> 01:05:10,155 I don't know what's going on with my work being in the show or not. 775 01:05:10,405 --> 01:05:12,199 What do people think? 776 01:05:12,491 --> 01:05:17,830 It would be a serious blow if Nan Goldin refuses to show her work there 777 01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:20,625 - because of Sackler money. - So... 778 01:05:20,833 --> 01:05:24,044 Nan was set to have a retrospective 779 01:05:24,461 --> 01:05:27,422 at the National Portrait Gallery in the UK, 780 01:05:27,673 --> 01:05:34,597 but they're in the middle of accepting a $1.3 million grant from the Sacklers. 781 01:05:35,180 --> 01:05:39,393 So Nan told them that she would not do her retrospective with them 782 01:05:39,644 --> 01:05:41,145 if they were to accept it. 783 01:05:49,278 --> 01:05:50,821 Unbelievable! 784 01:05:52,031 --> 01:05:55,117 Oh man, it's working, right? It's working. 785 01:05:55,367 --> 01:05:57,161 I can't believe it! 786 01:05:57,411 --> 01:06:00,455 When the National Portrait Gallery refused the donation from the Sacklers, 787 01:06:00,706 --> 01:06:02,124 I thought this is a watershed moment. 788 01:06:02,291 --> 01:06:06,086 This is an incredible rush to think that 789 01:06:06,336 --> 01:06:10,465 people are actually beginning to rethink how we do things. 790 01:06:12,718 --> 01:06:15,345 Let's go over what happened in one week. 791 01:06:15,596 --> 01:06:19,725 I think it doesn't happen to activist groups very often. 792 01:06:19,725 --> 01:06:25,815 On Tuesday, the National Portrait Gallery was the first to refuse money. 793 01:06:26,065 --> 01:06:27,441 Yeah! 794 01:06:27,942 --> 01:06:30,110 On Thursday, the Tate crumbled. 795 01:06:30,569 --> 01:06:35,074 On Friday, surprisingly, the Guggenheim. 796 01:06:35,324 --> 01:06:38,202 - Yeah... - And that was shocking. 797 01:06:39,745 --> 01:06:45,459 Okay, and then those dirty deep bottom feeders, the hedge fund, 798 01:06:45,710 --> 01:06:49,880 refusing to take the Sackler money, which is unprecedented. 799 01:06:54,844 --> 01:06:56,887 The domino effect was huge. 800 01:06:57,137 --> 01:07:01,308 The fact that this is happening by all these major museums 801 01:07:01,558 --> 01:07:04,353 and also Nan has her hand in every single one, 802 01:07:04,645 --> 01:07:09,191 including the Tate, is major, and then the Met followed. 803 01:07:09,483 --> 01:07:12,152 But it was not good enough for us. 804 01:07:12,444 --> 01:07:16,490 We had a very clear demand: no longer accept Sackler money. 805 01:07:16,741 --> 01:07:19,576 Then the next part obviously is take down the name. 806 01:07:25,958 --> 01:07:30,212 Subsequently, we then saw this WhatsApp log 807 01:07:30,462 --> 01:07:33,924 that came out from the Mortimer Sackler family members, 808 01:07:34,174 --> 01:07:37,511 and you actually see them start to talk about Nan Goldin. 809 01:07:37,762 --> 01:07:43,267 They talk about it solely as a matter of public relations management. 810 01:07:43,517 --> 01:07:48,272 You don't have a single person who says, "Well, wait a second, 811 01:07:48,522 --> 01:07:50,399 "maybe there's some substance to this critique. 812 01:07:50,649 --> 01:07:55,154 "We should look hard at what we've done. Is there some way we can make amends? 813 01:07:55,404 --> 01:07:57,322 "Are there questions we should be asking?" 814 01:07:57,489 --> 01:08:03,203 Instead, it's just entirely, "How do we manage this PR problem?" 815 01:08:10,169 --> 01:08:13,005 When did you know you were being followed? 816 01:08:14,631 --> 01:08:20,805 I was leaving Nan's by myself on a Friday night. 817 01:08:21,722 --> 01:08:22,932 And... 818 01:08:25,017 --> 01:08:26,685 I noticed a car. 819 01:08:27,937 --> 01:08:33,608 I noticed that the person sitting in it is obscuring his face. 820 01:08:33,984 --> 01:08:40,449 And the second I'm directly across from him, he kind of looks at me. 821 01:08:43,577 --> 01:08:48,958 The next week, as I'm crossing my direct street, 822 01:08:49,208 --> 01:08:53,545 up to the stop sign, pulls this car. 823 01:08:54,338 --> 01:08:57,800 And I looked at him. 824 01:08:59,468 --> 01:09:02,012 And I just kept walking. 825 01:09:02,262 --> 01:09:05,766 I walked for like 15 feet or so, and when I looked back, 826 01:09:06,016 --> 01:09:08,560 he was just taking my photo from his car. 827 01:09:11,646 --> 01:09:17,194 And like I'm just having a memory of that moment because it's like... 828 01:09:17,444 --> 01:09:18,320 There is no... 829 01:09:18,528 --> 01:09:21,824 I don't think I've experienced a greater fear than that moment 830 01:09:22,074 --> 01:09:24,493 'cause I don't know who the fuck this guy is. 831 01:09:25,953 --> 01:09:29,039 But I know it's the same guy from the week before. 832 01:09:32,417 --> 01:09:35,420 So I think I even yelled at him, but I don't even know if he knew. 833 01:09:35,670 --> 01:09:40,009 He peeled out, and I was terrified. 834 01:09:41,093 --> 01:09:44,763 And then, imagine my shock 835 01:09:45,014 --> 01:09:48,558 when the next week, exactly a week later, 836 01:09:48,809 --> 01:09:51,561 this guy is outside of Nan's. 837 01:09:58,986 --> 01:10:01,989 We just walked out of Nan's house. 838 01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:05,159 The same car is in front of the house again. 839 01:10:13,750 --> 01:10:16,086 And the guy is... 840 01:10:17,797 --> 01:10:22,384 right there... watching me film him right now. 841 01:10:25,304 --> 01:10:27,431 He's pulling out right now. 842 01:10:32,937 --> 01:10:37,149 I went out with my wife and two children. I have two small boys. 843 01:10:37,399 --> 01:10:40,694 We walked out one day to run an errand, and we're getting into the car, 844 01:10:40,945 --> 01:10:43,655 and a neighbor came over and she said, 845 01:10:43,906 --> 01:10:47,576 "Hey, I don't want to freak you out, but just up there, 846 01:10:47,826 --> 01:10:50,204 "there's a guy who's parked across the street from my house 847 01:10:50,454 --> 01:10:52,706 "in an SUV, and he's been there all day, 848 01:10:52,957 --> 01:10:55,000 "and I think he's watching your house." 849 01:10:55,209 --> 01:10:56,418 So the first thing I thought, of course, 850 01:10:56,626 --> 01:10:58,670 was that I knew that Nan had had this experience 851 01:10:58,879 --> 01:11:01,090 and Megan had had this experience. 852 01:11:03,592 --> 01:11:08,513 And so it felt of a piece in terms of the M.O. 853 01:11:10,474 --> 01:11:15,479 When I was fact-checking my book, I asked Purdue if they knew anything about 854 01:11:15,812 --> 01:11:19,649 these people who've been following Nan, and Megan and me and... 855 01:11:19,900 --> 01:11:22,652 Purdue came back and said, 856 01:11:22,903 --> 01:11:24,947 "Absolutely not. Of course, we would never do such a thing. 857 01:11:25,197 --> 01:11:28,867 "That's outrageous." Really strenuously denying it and... 858 01:11:29,118 --> 01:11:33,205 in my queries to the Sacklers, I asked the same thing and... 859 01:11:33,455 --> 01:11:37,209 There were some of the things I asked about that they came back and denied. 860 01:11:37,459 --> 01:11:39,419 And this was not one of them. 861 01:11:49,221 --> 01:11:51,681 Bob is one of our board members. 862 01:11:53,433 --> 01:11:56,603 - Hi, how are you? - Now, admittedly... 863 01:11:56,853 --> 01:11:58,397 It's a little crazy here. 864 01:12:00,774 --> 01:12:05,445 So has anybody had a Narcan kit before or have been through a Narcan training? 865 01:12:05,695 --> 01:12:08,073 Yeah, I got a kit a couple of weeks ago. 866 01:12:08,323 --> 01:12:11,076 I have a kit in my house, but I haven't been trained. 867 01:12:11,576 --> 01:12:14,496 So I'm just going to go over a couple of the essentials, 868 01:12:14,704 --> 01:12:17,916 signs and symptoms of an opiate overdose, and how to use Narcan 869 01:12:18,167 --> 01:12:20,085 to reverse an opiate overdose, okay? 870 01:12:20,835 --> 01:12:24,381 So if you see somebody who you think could be experiencing an opiate overdose, 871 01:12:24,631 --> 01:12:26,925 you say, "Are you okay?" They don't respond. 872 01:12:27,176 --> 01:12:29,636 You do the sternal rub, they still don't respond. 873 01:12:29,886 --> 01:12:30,845 You may shake them. 874 01:12:31,055 --> 01:12:33,598 If they still don't respond, that's when you're gonna give Narcan. 875 01:12:33,974 --> 01:12:36,351 So you're going to give Narcan and call 911. 876 01:12:36,601 --> 01:12:39,271 You can do whichever you want to do first, but do both. 877 01:12:39,688 --> 01:12:42,732 Open it up, hold it. Spray it up their nose, okay? 878 01:12:43,150 --> 01:12:45,652 If it's not an overdose, it's not going to hurt them and it won't work. 879 01:12:45,819 --> 01:12:48,447 But if it is an overdose, it's gonna save their life. 880 01:12:48,697 --> 01:12:49,739 Okay? 881 01:12:49,990 --> 01:12:54,619 Focusing on harm reduction is what's going to bring people out of this crisis. 882 01:12:54,869 --> 01:12:58,582 Safe consumption sites, reducing stigma and helping drug users 883 01:12:58,832 --> 01:13:01,293 is the long goal, so... 884 01:13:10,844 --> 01:13:14,473 Okay, we're going to start the hearing. Good morning. 885 01:13:14,639 --> 01:13:17,351 I'd like to welcome you to today's hearing 886 01:13:17,476 --> 01:13:21,896 on the adequacy of funding for substance use disorder services. 887 01:13:22,147 --> 01:13:24,399 Our next witness is Nan Goldin, 888 01:13:24,566 --> 01:13:28,737 founder of Prescription Addiction Intervention Now. 889 01:13:29,154 --> 01:13:32,699 I'm gonna speak, by and large, from the personal experience. 890 01:13:32,949 --> 01:13:36,411 That maybe will help inform you of what it means, 891 01:13:36,661 --> 01:13:39,331 some of these bills that you're trying to pass, 892 01:13:39,581 --> 01:13:41,958 what it actually impacts on a human being. 893 01:13:42,792 --> 01:13:47,547 I wouldn't have gotten off Oxy without buprenorphine. 894 01:13:48,006 --> 01:13:52,261 On a small dose of buprenorphine, cravings for opioids are reduced. 895 01:13:52,511 --> 01:13:57,224 At larger doses, you can't even feel the effects of opioids if you try. 896 01:13:57,432 --> 01:14:01,436 I was one of the lucky ones who was able to access MAT immediately 897 01:14:01,686 --> 01:14:02,896 and afford good treatment. 898 01:14:03,397 --> 01:14:06,191 Doctors need to pay to train and receive a waiver 899 01:14:06,441 --> 01:14:08,068 to prescribe buprenorphine, 900 01:14:08,318 --> 01:14:12,239 when no such certificate is required to prescribe OxyContin. 901 01:14:12,656 --> 01:14:17,244 Again, this is a policy that increases the stigma in the medical community 902 01:14:17,494 --> 01:14:20,080 about treating people addicted to drugs. 903 01:14:20,330 --> 01:14:22,332 People need to be kept alive. 904 01:14:22,582 --> 01:14:26,628 Addiction is not a moral issue. It is not a criminal issue. 905 01:14:26,878 --> 01:14:29,005 Harm reduction means not only 906 01:14:29,256 --> 01:14:32,384 recovering the harm caused by the disease of addiction, 907 01:14:32,634 --> 01:14:36,555 but also the harm caused by the social and moral assault 908 01:14:36,805 --> 01:14:39,641 on people with substance use disorder. 909 01:14:41,643 --> 01:14:42,936 Thank you very much. 910 01:14:43,187 --> 01:14:46,981 It's important to hear from people who take Medication-Assisted Treatment. 911 01:14:47,232 --> 01:14:49,025 - But I'm not ashamed of it. - No. 912 01:14:49,193 --> 01:14:51,528 And it's not my road to recovery. 913 01:14:51,778 --> 01:14:54,448 - It is my recovery. - That's important to share. 914 01:14:54,698 --> 01:14:58,827 People think you have to be off everything in order to be in recovery, 915 01:14:59,077 --> 01:15:00,912 and that's certainly not true. 916 01:15:01,163 --> 01:15:05,209 - Yeah, the stigma is terrible. - Okay. Thank you so much. 917 01:15:23,435 --> 01:15:24,769 Lock arms? 918 01:15:28,815 --> 01:15:33,903 We joined with Housing Works and Vocal New York, 919 01:15:34,154 --> 01:15:36,323 who really wanted to do an action... 920 01:15:36,573 --> 01:15:38,533 - We are here... - We are here... 921 01:15:38,908 --> 01:15:41,953 - to draw attention to... - to draw attention to... 922 01:15:42,204 --> 01:15:46,333 - Overdose Awareness Day! - Overdose Awareness Day! 923 01:15:46,708 --> 01:15:48,585 - No stigma! - No shame! 924 01:15:48,793 --> 01:15:50,587 - No stigma! - No shame! 925 01:15:50,754 --> 01:15:52,547 - No stigma! - No shame! 926 01:15:52,714 --> 01:15:54,591 - No stigma! - No shame! 927 01:15:55,967 --> 01:15:57,802 In order to do the harm reduction, 928 01:15:58,052 --> 01:16:01,515 the safe consumption sites invite people in and say, 929 01:16:01,765 --> 01:16:07,646 "Look... whatever you're dependent on is not what we question right now. 930 01:16:07,896 --> 01:16:10,690 "We just want you to be able to do it in a safe way. 931 01:16:10,940 --> 01:16:12,234 "Not put anybody at risk." 932 01:16:13,693 --> 01:16:16,446 "Here's how to shoot up in a clean way." 933 01:16:17,113 --> 01:16:19,866 "You don't know what you bought, we'll test it for you." 934 01:16:21,201 --> 01:16:24,913 - Hey Cuomo, what do you say? - How many people died today? 935 01:16:33,171 --> 01:16:37,342 No more deaths! No more deaths! No more deaths! 936 01:16:56,903 --> 01:17:01,575 I went to rehab for the first time in 1988. 937 01:17:05,662 --> 01:17:08,998 I had been kind of isolated from my friends. 938 01:17:11,585 --> 01:17:14,588 I thought I was going back to my community... 939 01:17:15,839 --> 01:17:19,676 And then I realized most of the people were dead or dying. 940 01:17:20,260 --> 01:17:22,136 We'll never be silent again, Act Up! 941 01:17:22,387 --> 01:17:24,681 We'll never be silent again, Act Up! 942 01:17:31,896 --> 01:17:34,691 Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS! 943 01:17:34,941 --> 01:17:37,902 Act Up! Fight Back! Fight AIDS! 944 01:17:48,747 --> 01:17:50,790 It was like World War II. 945 01:17:52,041 --> 01:17:56,170 We watched everybody get wiped out, and there was nothing we could do. 946 01:18:04,137 --> 01:18:08,892 I got a call from Artists Space, and they asked me to curate a show. 947 01:18:11,728 --> 01:18:14,773 I wanted the subject of it to be AIDS. 948 01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:19,068 And I was told there hadn't been any shows about AIDS. 949 01:18:23,823 --> 01:18:28,161 I asked all my friends to contribute something 950 01:18:28,412 --> 01:18:30,914 because I wanted it to be a community. 951 01:18:31,706 --> 01:18:34,000 It was the first show I curated. 952 01:18:37,295 --> 01:18:40,006 Mortality no longer feels like some abstraction 953 01:18:40,256 --> 01:18:43,259 that I could push away to the age of 80 or 90 or... 954 01:18:43,510 --> 01:18:49,724 There's no longer a luxury of pushing the idea of mortality away. 955 01:18:53,102 --> 01:18:59,150 David Wojnarowicz was my spiritual guide. He was my political guide. 956 01:19:04,906 --> 01:19:06,700 "If you want to stop AIDS, shoot the queers," 957 01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:08,618 says the governor of Texas on the radio. 958 01:19:08,910 --> 01:19:12,080 And his press secretary later claims the governor was only joking, 959 01:19:12,330 --> 01:19:14,290 and didn't know the microphone was turned on. 960 01:19:14,541 --> 01:19:17,794 And besides, he didn't think it would hurt his chances for re-election anyways. 961 01:19:18,044 --> 01:19:19,379 And I wake up every morning. 962 01:19:19,588 --> 01:19:22,549 I wake up every morning in this killing machine called America, 963 01:19:22,799 --> 01:19:25,093 and I'm carrying this rage like a blood-filled egg. 964 01:19:25,343 --> 01:19:29,097 And there's a thin line, a thin line between the inside and outside, 965 01:19:29,347 --> 01:19:31,683 a thin line between thought and action. 966 01:19:31,933 --> 01:19:35,395 And that line is simply made up of blood and muscle and bone. 967 01:19:35,645 --> 01:19:37,981 I've been looking all my life at the signs surrounding us, 968 01:19:38,231 --> 01:19:39,858 in the media, or on people's lips, 969 01:19:40,108 --> 01:19:42,736 the religious types outside St Patrick's Cathedral, 970 01:19:42,986 --> 01:19:45,071 shouting to the men and women in the gay parade: 971 01:19:45,321 --> 01:19:48,533 "You won't be here next year. You'll get AIDS and die! Ha ha!" 972 01:19:55,123 --> 01:19:58,960 Nan Goldin curated this show with the idea of 973 01:19:59,252 --> 01:20:04,966 choosing the work of people that she knew who were affected by AIDS, 974 01:20:05,216 --> 01:20:07,469 who were living with AIDS. 975 01:20:09,387 --> 01:20:12,932 She wanted to dispel the notion of AIDS victim. 976 01:20:14,684 --> 01:20:17,186 Now, I'm hardly a victim if I can resist. 977 01:20:17,437 --> 01:20:21,315 What I see is institutionalized ignorance about this epidemic. 978 01:20:24,694 --> 01:20:28,072 She also wanted to deal with issues of sexuality 979 01:20:28,322 --> 01:20:30,867 in the midst of this epidemic. 980 01:20:33,495 --> 01:20:36,540 That there was sexuality, there was safe sexuality, 981 01:20:36,998 --> 01:20:40,627 and that this was going to continue to occur, 982 01:20:40,919 --> 01:20:45,381 despite the silencing of that information by a church or government. 983 01:20:48,342 --> 01:20:51,012 There is really important work in the show. 984 01:20:52,931 --> 01:20:55,850 Like David's. Like Peter Hujar's. 985 01:20:58,687 --> 01:21:00,689 Philip-Lorca diCorcia. 986 01:21:01,898 --> 01:21:03,692 Mark Morrisroe. 987 01:21:04,693 --> 01:21:06,611 Greer Lankton. 988 01:21:07,696 --> 01:21:09,238 Darrel Ellis. 989 01:21:09,698 --> 01:21:13,827 People both really well-known and people unknown. 990 01:21:16,079 --> 01:21:19,833 It was about the loss of a community. 991 01:21:20,792 --> 01:21:24,420 And trying to keep people's legacy alive. 992 01:21:30,301 --> 01:21:33,597 I called David and asked him to write for my catalogue. 993 01:21:34,973 --> 01:21:39,519 I sent him pictures of some of the work that was in it, 994 01:21:39,769 --> 01:21:42,480 and I said, "You can write whatever you want. 995 01:21:42,731 --> 01:21:44,899 "I'll support whatever you write." 996 01:21:45,316 --> 01:21:48,194 I was asked to write a catalogue essay 997 01:21:48,444 --> 01:21:52,448 pertaining to a show dealing with AIDS and a community of people. 998 01:21:52,824 --> 01:21:57,370 So I started talking about what I was experiencing right there in my life and 999 01:21:57,621 --> 01:22:01,625 dealing with image and representation and everything seen through the framework 1000 01:22:01,875 --> 01:22:05,587 of having a taboo disease in this society. 1001 01:22:07,005 --> 01:22:10,341 I love that this tiny, little, skinny catalogue 1002 01:22:10,592 --> 01:22:14,095 with thumbnail reproductions in black and white 1003 01:22:14,428 --> 01:22:18,224 could cause a major political shake-up. 1004 01:22:20,769 --> 01:22:22,687 At the Artists Space Gallery in Tribeca, 1005 01:22:22,937 --> 01:22:25,607 preparations are still underway for next week's exhibit, 1006 01:22:25,857 --> 01:22:29,193 but the National Endowment of the Arts has canceled its grant. 1007 01:22:29,443 --> 01:22:31,655 The National Endowment for the Arts refuses to sponsor 1008 01:22:31,905 --> 01:22:33,782 an art show here in New York City 1009 01:22:34,032 --> 01:22:36,367 because it deals with AIDS and homosexuality 1010 01:22:36,618 --> 01:22:38,953 and also offends some political sensibilities. 1011 01:22:39,203 --> 01:22:41,581 One thing I want to point out is that it's artist-organized. 1012 01:22:41,831 --> 01:22:44,751 It's organized by a photographer named Nan Goldin... 1013 01:22:45,001 --> 01:22:49,255 Susan Wyatt, the director, got nervous about David's writing, 1014 01:22:49,505 --> 01:22:52,258 and so she took it to the NEA. 1015 01:22:52,801 --> 01:22:56,304 The catalogue reportedly criticizes Senator Jesse Helms 1016 01:22:56,554 --> 01:22:59,057 for his position on homosexuality and art, 1017 01:22:59,390 --> 01:23:04,312 and calls New York Cardinal O'Connor "a fat cannibal in a black skirt." 1018 01:23:06,355 --> 01:23:09,233 - You think the phone is gonna ring again? - Any minute. 1019 01:23:09,442 --> 01:23:10,944 About what? What do you think it's gonna be? 1020 01:23:11,152 --> 01:23:13,321 It's probably Cardinal O'Connor, 1021 01:23:13,571 --> 01:23:16,991 expressing his direct support of my statements. 1022 01:23:17,366 --> 01:23:23,539 And admitting that since he does feast on the body of Christ, that he is a cannibal, 1023 01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:26,960 and that, yes, he does have a penchant for black skirts. 1024 01:23:27,168 --> 01:23:31,631 He is fat, translucent and immoral. 1025 01:23:36,678 --> 01:23:40,932 After the news first broke, David called, really upset, 1026 01:23:41,182 --> 01:23:45,228 and told me that they were trying to make him take out 1027 01:23:45,478 --> 01:23:48,314 "fat fucking cannibal in black skirts." 1028 01:23:50,233 --> 01:23:52,401 I think it's very dangerous and very scary. 1029 01:23:52,652 --> 01:23:56,489 I see an outbreak of McCarthyism and a blacklisting of artists... 1030 01:23:56,740 --> 01:23:58,950 if this is continued to allow to happen. 1031 01:24:01,870 --> 01:24:06,165 What happened is that the artistic focus of the show really was lost. 1032 01:24:06,457 --> 01:24:11,004 And what turned out to be the show in its present form, 1033 01:24:11,254 --> 01:24:14,257 was not and is not sound artistically. 1034 01:24:15,633 --> 01:24:19,303 Composer Leonard Bernstein managed to become embroiled in the controversy. 1035 01:24:19,512 --> 01:24:22,431 This after declining the National Medal of Arts 1036 01:24:22,682 --> 01:24:25,935 because of the NEA action taking away the grant. 1037 01:24:27,103 --> 01:24:30,815 And the thing that makes me laugh is, if at this point in time, 1038 01:24:31,065 --> 01:24:35,278 images and words that can be made by an individual have such power 1039 01:24:35,528 --> 01:24:40,158 to create this storm of controversy... Isn't that great? 1040 01:24:40,324 --> 01:24:43,870 It means that the control of information has a crack in its wall. 1041 01:24:49,042 --> 01:24:51,502 Hello. Yeah. 1042 01:24:52,420 --> 01:24:53,587 Hi... 1043 01:24:55,506 --> 01:24:56,841 Well, it's just been a zoo. 1044 01:24:57,091 --> 01:25:00,219 Senator Alfonse D'Amato tore up an art catalogue on the Senate floor... 1045 01:25:00,511 --> 01:25:03,514 How can they ignore the political aspect of AIDS? 1046 01:25:03,723 --> 01:25:07,601 Is the fact that I may be dying of AIDS in 1989, is that not political? 1047 01:25:07,852 --> 01:25:09,603 Is the fact that I don't have health insurance 1048 01:25:09,771 --> 01:25:11,856 and I don't have access to adequate health care? 1049 01:25:12,106 --> 01:25:14,275 Is that not political? 1050 01:25:27,496 --> 01:25:32,877 Vittorio was given three months to live and he started drawing cartoons. 1051 01:25:41,135 --> 01:25:44,013 He was still alive a year and a half later. 1052 01:25:47,183 --> 01:25:50,519 That's the wake of Vittorio. 1053 01:25:57,443 --> 01:25:59,863 Cookie had already lost her voice. 1054 01:26:00,738 --> 01:26:05,994 She was constantly writing so people could see what she needed and wanted. 1055 01:26:07,996 --> 01:26:11,457 Then Sharon came back to take care of Cookie. 1056 01:26:15,711 --> 01:26:18,506 The picture of Sharon nursing Cookie... 1057 01:26:19,215 --> 01:26:21,717 To me, this is the meaning of love. 1058 01:26:27,932 --> 01:26:29,475 I was raging. 1059 01:26:29,725 --> 01:26:34,397 "Call this doctor. Call that doctor. Someone's gonna be able to help her. 1060 01:26:34,522 --> 01:26:38,151 "There's got to be something. There's a treatment out there somewhere." 1061 01:26:38,651 --> 01:26:41,112 And then to realize there was no doctor to call. 1062 01:26:41,362 --> 01:26:43,907 It was just... I didn't get it. 1063 01:27:01,424 --> 01:27:04,468 We had Cookie's memorial at St Mark's Church, 1064 01:27:04,718 --> 01:27:07,513 and the next day, "Witnesses" opened. 1065 01:27:10,641 --> 01:27:12,685 My name is David Wojnarowicz. 1066 01:27:12,936 --> 01:27:14,896 I'd like to read this in memory of Peter Hujar, 1067 01:27:15,146 --> 01:27:20,026 Keith Davis, Bebe Smith, Cookie Mueller, Vittorio. 1068 01:27:20,985 --> 01:27:24,030 One of the first steps in making the private grief public 1069 01:27:24,280 --> 01:27:26,324 is the ritual of memorials, 1070 01:27:26,574 --> 01:27:29,577 and I've attended a number of memorials in the last five years, 1071 01:27:29,827 --> 01:27:30,954 and at the last one I attended, 1072 01:27:31,204 --> 01:27:34,582 I suddenly found myself experiencing something akin to rage. 1073 01:27:34,916 --> 01:27:36,209 What made me angry, 1074 01:27:36,459 --> 01:27:39,670 what made me angry was realizing that the memorial had little reverberation 1075 01:27:39,921 --> 01:27:41,172 outside the room it was held in, 1076 01:27:41,630 --> 01:27:43,007 and at the same time, worry that friends 1077 01:27:43,257 --> 01:27:45,051 will solely become professional pallbearers, 1078 01:27:45,301 --> 01:27:48,012 waiting for each death of their lovers, friends and neighbors, 1079 01:27:48,262 --> 01:27:50,139 and polishing their funereal speeches, 1080 01:27:50,598 --> 01:27:54,560 perfecting their rituals of death rather than a relatively simple ritual of life, 1081 01:27:54,810 --> 01:27:56,980 such as screaming in the streets. 1082 01:27:58,231 --> 01:28:02,318 Not the church! Not the state! We decide what art is great! 1083 01:28:08,407 --> 01:28:10,076 Step on the sidewalk, can't stay in the street. 1084 01:28:10,326 --> 01:28:13,287 And I imagine what it would be like if friends had a demonstration 1085 01:28:13,537 --> 01:28:16,374 each time a lover or a friend or a stranger died of AIDS. 1086 01:28:16,624 --> 01:28:18,042 And I imagine what it would be like, 1087 01:28:18,292 --> 01:28:20,794 each time a lover or friend or stranger died of AIDS, 1088 01:28:21,045 --> 01:28:22,171 or of this disease, 1089 01:28:22,421 --> 01:28:24,798 their friends, lovers or neighbors would take their dead body 1090 01:28:24,966 --> 01:28:28,636 and drive with it in a car 100 mph to Washington, D.C., 1091 01:28:28,886 --> 01:28:30,554 and blast through the gates of the White House 1092 01:28:30,763 --> 01:28:32,556 and come to a screeching halt before the entrance, 1093 01:28:32,806 --> 01:28:36,227 and then dump their lifeless forms on the front steps. 1094 01:28:37,436 --> 01:28:40,064 But bottom line, even a tiny charcoal scratch 1095 01:28:40,314 --> 01:28:43,192 done as a gesture to mark a person's response to this epidemic, 1096 01:28:43,401 --> 01:28:46,695 means whole worlds to me, if it's hung in public. 1097 01:28:47,071 --> 01:28:51,075 And bottom line, we have to find our own forms of gesture and communication. 1098 01:28:51,325 --> 01:28:54,287 You can never depend on the mass media to reflect us 1099 01:28:54,537 --> 01:28:57,373 or our needs or our states of mind. 1100 01:28:59,833 --> 01:29:03,963 NEA, stop your tricks! Art is sex and politics! 1101 01:29:06,799 --> 01:29:11,262 Mark Morrisroe died soon after it opened. 1102 01:29:16,100 --> 01:29:19,687 David Wojnarowicz died in 1992. 1103 01:29:23,774 --> 01:29:27,070 People don't really understand the anger, and frustration, 1104 01:29:27,320 --> 01:29:29,989 and pain of those years. 1105 01:29:34,160 --> 01:29:37,288 They don't understand what we went through. 1106 01:29:43,169 --> 01:29:44,920 It's still killing people. 1107 01:29:46,630 --> 01:29:48,882 It never went away. 1108 01:29:52,595 --> 01:29:56,182 David Armstrong died in 2014. 1109 01:30:00,019 --> 01:30:03,606 You know, we spent a lot of our life together. 1110 01:30:08,069 --> 01:30:10,571 Decades of friendship. 1111 01:30:50,403 --> 01:30:54,490 Many people have started to refuse donations from the Sacklers, 1112 01:30:54,740 --> 01:30:58,786 including the Guggenheim Museum, the Met Museum, the Tate, 1113 01:30:59,036 --> 01:31:03,832 and the National Portrait Gallery, as well as medical institutions worldwide. 1114 01:31:04,125 --> 01:31:08,337 We need to demand that the Louvre stand by and hear us, 1115 01:31:08,671 --> 01:31:10,714 and be the first to take down their name. 1116 01:31:59,805 --> 01:32:03,642 - Can I ask you a question? - What? 1117 01:32:03,934 --> 01:32:07,688 - When you overdosed, were you alone? - Yeah. 1118 01:32:09,690 --> 01:32:11,192 Totally. 1119 01:32:15,238 --> 01:32:19,617 I thought it was dope, so I snorted it and it was fentanyl. 1120 01:32:21,285 --> 01:32:26,290 And a lot of people want fentanyl, but I was not prepared for fentanyl. 1121 01:32:26,540 --> 01:32:31,962 And I just went out like that. I just went out. 1122 01:32:33,881 --> 01:32:38,051 And then I came back. And then I went out again. 1123 01:32:39,262 --> 01:32:41,597 Nobody brought me back. I just came back. 1124 01:32:43,098 --> 01:32:46,935 I'm so lucky that I came back by myself. 1125 01:32:53,066 --> 01:32:58,239 I mean, all the judgment of people who are addicted to drugs 1126 01:32:58,489 --> 01:33:00,324 are stigmatized without understanding 1127 01:33:00,574 --> 01:33:04,828 what the experience of not having these drugs is. 1128 01:33:08,291 --> 01:33:10,876 To have to go through withdrawal. 1129 01:33:12,169 --> 01:33:15,047 Your brain is stripped of its opioid receptors, 1130 01:33:15,298 --> 01:33:19,176 so you have no protection from any kind of pain. 1131 01:33:21,512 --> 01:33:23,806 It's not just the physical part. 1132 01:33:24,973 --> 01:33:28,311 It's like... the darkest... 1133 01:33:29,978 --> 01:33:33,774 you can go. It's a darkness of the soul. 1134 01:33:36,402 --> 01:33:38,321 It's unbearable. 1135 01:33:59,216 --> 01:34:00,926 Okay. I am here. 1136 01:34:01,176 --> 01:34:03,554 You can come by whenever you want. 1137 01:34:04,012 --> 01:34:04,972 - Hello - Hi. 1138 01:34:05,222 --> 01:34:08,309 - What did you say? - I'm here at the restaurant. 1139 01:34:08,559 --> 01:34:09,977 You can come here whenever you want. 1140 01:34:10,227 --> 01:34:13,188 - Great. How many did you get? - All that you wanted. 1141 01:34:29,455 --> 01:34:30,789 - Yeah. - Hi. 1142 01:34:31,332 --> 01:34:33,292 - Who is it? - You still in the bed? 1143 01:34:33,542 --> 01:34:35,919 Oh, no, I never went to sleep. 1144 01:34:36,712 --> 01:34:40,383 You know what really hit me as peculiar? 1145 01:34:40,716 --> 01:34:43,344 And I've been thinking about it all morning. 1146 01:34:43,927 --> 01:34:49,808 Misery does not love company. Misery loves attention... in this case. 1147 01:35:33,561 --> 01:35:38,315 The supply has become very dirty. Basically lethal. 1148 01:35:43,111 --> 01:35:45,030 Fentanyl is in everything now. 1149 01:35:46,407 --> 01:35:48,075 Isn't this fentanyl here? 1150 01:35:48,325 --> 01:35:52,371 So fentanyl has like one big peak, coke has two peaks right here. 1151 01:35:52,621 --> 01:35:54,206 And they're at slightly different numbers. 1152 01:35:54,457 --> 01:35:58,544 - Okay. - Here you can see this deviates. 1153 01:36:07,177 --> 01:36:09,930 You want to show them the bloody ones you did? 1154 01:36:10,764 --> 01:36:14,267 No, but it's good 'cause then it will be obvious it's not real. 1155 01:36:19,982 --> 01:36:22,610 - What is our messaging? - Our messaging is... 1156 01:36:22,860 --> 01:36:25,529 "Purdue is bankrupt, but the Sacklers aren't. 1157 01:36:25,863 --> 01:36:28,866 "Their personal wealth has all been made from OxyContin 1158 01:36:29,116 --> 01:36:30,951 "and it needs to be taken from them." 1159 01:36:31,368 --> 01:36:35,330 I think the messaging is the Sacklers are getting away with murder. 1160 01:36:35,706 --> 01:36:38,834 We want their money and where we want to spend it. 1161 01:36:40,669 --> 01:36:44,089 The company ends up declaring bankruptcy. 1162 01:36:44,089 --> 01:36:48,135 That's this kind of amazing escape hatch because 1163 01:36:49,344 --> 01:36:52,389 what happens is that Purdue, the company, says, 1164 01:36:52,640 --> 01:36:54,182 "Listen, we realize there's all these lawsuits, 1165 01:36:54,433 --> 01:36:59,438 "but we don't have the resources to fight or settle them all, 1166 01:36:59,647 --> 01:37:01,524 "and so instead we're gonna declare bankruptcy 1167 01:37:01,732 --> 01:37:03,776 "because our coffers are almost empty." 1168 01:37:04,527 --> 01:37:07,320 But the reason that the coffers are almost empty, we now know, 1169 01:37:07,571 --> 01:37:12,200 is that behind the scenes for a decade leading up to this bankruptcy plea, 1170 01:37:12,493 --> 01:37:16,204 the Sacklers have been quietly siphoning money out of the company. 1171 01:37:16,455 --> 01:37:22,836 So they took more than $10 billion out of the company before it declares bankruptcy. 1172 01:37:23,086 --> 01:37:25,338 - Whose money? - Our money! 1173 01:37:25,631 --> 01:37:28,383 - Whose blood? - Our blood! 1174 01:37:40,312 --> 01:37:44,942 - You think they could get away with this? - Of course. Yes. 1175 01:37:45,067 --> 01:37:47,611 I never expected that they'd be held accountable. 1176 01:37:47,903 --> 01:37:52,032 I don't think that much money can be taken away from a billionaire family. 1177 01:37:57,412 --> 01:38:03,711 The fact that a bankruptcy court is deciding a public crisis issue is crazy. 1178 01:38:05,045 --> 01:38:06,088 That's the problem. 1179 01:38:06,379 --> 01:38:08,423 So I've been involved since the beginning basically. 1180 01:38:08,549 --> 01:38:10,175 At some point, a lightbulb went on and I was like: 1181 01:38:10,300 --> 01:38:13,178 "Let's bring the activism into the courtroom," 1182 01:38:13,303 --> 01:38:18,016 and ever since then, we've been fighting in the court. 1183 01:38:18,266 --> 01:38:21,436 And we weren't exactly welcome the first time. 1184 01:38:22,563 --> 01:38:27,985 You know, we're like little assassins, we go in and get out. 1185 01:38:28,902 --> 01:38:33,281 I told the lawyer for Purdue that I'm doing it pro-bono. 1186 01:38:33,532 --> 01:38:35,534 He was like, "What?" 1187 01:38:39,329 --> 01:38:41,373 He was like, "What? Wait, what?" 1188 01:38:41,957 --> 01:38:44,543 You know, because they spend $30 million a month 1189 01:38:44,793 --> 01:38:48,255 on legal fees and professional fees in this case. 1190 01:38:49,757 --> 01:38:54,595 There's like 80-something attorneys and people on this call. 1191 01:38:54,845 --> 01:38:56,388 That's a lot. 1192 01:38:57,097 --> 01:39:02,686 Good morning, this is Judge Drain. This is a completely telephonic hearing. 1193 01:39:04,021 --> 01:39:08,817 We're here today in re: Purdue Pharma L.P. 1194 01:39:09,818 --> 01:39:12,195 Your Honor, we think there's a huge mistake here. 1195 01:39:12,445 --> 01:39:15,741 We think the process that the DOJ went through was wrong. 1196 01:39:15,991 --> 01:39:19,912 We think that the results, which are completely vague and baffling 1197 01:39:20,162 --> 01:39:21,872 to me and my clients, is wrong. 1198 01:39:23,081 --> 01:39:26,293 The DOJ neither invited input from Purdue's victims, 1199 01:39:26,543 --> 01:39:30,297 nor the public, nor apparently any members of the House and Senate. 1200 01:39:30,714 --> 01:39:35,969 The negotiation between these two parties, the DOJ and Purdue/The Sacklers alone, 1201 01:39:36,219 --> 01:39:39,598 is not sufficient to make this kind of policy decision. 1202 01:39:40,057 --> 01:39:42,559 My clients are like the Ghost of Christmas Past, 1203 01:39:42,810 --> 01:39:44,519 they're here to tell you in 2007, 1204 01:39:44,770 --> 01:39:48,273 they saw there was a problem, the problem got worse, 1205 01:39:48,523 --> 01:39:51,484 and this is our moment, their moment, to tell you 1206 01:39:51,735 --> 01:39:55,113 we gotta make sure that the future is safer. 1207 01:39:56,114 --> 01:40:00,202 Okay, well... All right, thank you. 1208 01:40:00,786 --> 01:40:04,581 Good morning, Your Honor, and good morning to everyone who is on the line. 1209 01:40:04,748 --> 01:40:07,167 Your Honor, Mr. Quinn many times used the phrase 1210 01:40:07,417 --> 01:40:09,002 "Purdue/The Sacklers," 1211 01:40:09,252 --> 01:40:13,381 the kind of suggestion that Purdue and the Sacklers are in this together 1212 01:40:13,632 --> 01:40:15,258 is really not helpful. 1213 01:40:15,508 --> 01:40:17,552 And it's just, it's not fair. 1214 01:40:21,640 --> 01:40:23,600 This is so depressing. 1215 01:40:23,851 --> 01:40:28,188 Thank you so much, Mike, thank you so much for going out there and battling. 1216 01:40:28,438 --> 01:40:32,359 I feel proud to be doing it, and, whatever, we're in it. 1217 01:40:32,609 --> 01:40:35,612 The fact that our group is in the bankruptcy, 1218 01:40:35,863 --> 01:40:38,615 at the front of the bankruptcy, fighting every single thing, tooth and nail, 1219 01:40:38,741 --> 01:40:41,076 - is pretty amazing. - Yeah, it's pretty funny. 1220 01:40:41,076 --> 01:40:42,410 It's fucking crazy. 1221 01:40:42,745 --> 01:40:45,163 Is there any chance of criminal charges? 1222 01:40:45,288 --> 01:40:46,123 No. 1223 01:40:46,248 --> 01:40:49,877 The way the plan's structured, if the DOJ filed 1224 01:40:50,127 --> 01:40:52,420 criminal charges against the Sacklers now, 1225 01:40:52,671 --> 01:40:55,048 it would blow up the whole bankruptcy. 1226 01:40:55,298 --> 01:40:58,761 So effectively, they just dodged criminal liability. 1227 01:41:16,278 --> 01:41:18,906 We followed these people into bankruptcy court 1228 01:41:19,156 --> 01:41:23,576 and we're watching them completely manipulate the justice system. 1229 01:41:23,827 --> 01:41:26,997 There's no justice for us, only for billionaires. 1230 01:41:27,205 --> 01:41:30,500 So all we can hope is that the money in the settlement 1231 01:41:30,834 --> 01:41:34,629 that goes to the states, goes to the right places, 1232 01:41:34,880 --> 01:41:38,175 that it goes to harm reduction, and not policing. 1233 01:41:40,427 --> 01:41:43,638 That it goes to groups like you that are saving lives. 1234 01:41:50,854 --> 01:41:53,106 This is a proceeding in federal court. 1235 01:41:53,356 --> 01:41:55,233 It is being held remotely, 1236 01:41:56,109 --> 01:42:00,072 but the rules and decorum of a federal court apply. 1237 01:42:03,033 --> 01:42:04,117 Yeah. 1238 01:42:06,536 --> 01:42:11,750 So let me confirm, I see David Sackler on the screen, 1239 01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:14,669 and I see Theresa Sackler. 1240 01:42:15,712 --> 01:42:18,924 Richard Sackler is on the phone 1241 01:42:19,174 --> 01:42:22,385 and will stay on the phone throughout this proceeding. 1242 01:42:22,886 --> 01:42:25,680 Dr. Sackler, can you confirm that for me? 1243 01:42:26,431 --> 01:42:31,561 Yes, Your Honor, I am here on the phone and I'm listening. 1244 01:42:31,854 --> 01:42:35,941 Before we start, there's one clarification I wanted to make: 1245 01:42:36,191 --> 01:42:39,236 I believe Richard said that he is listening. 1246 01:42:39,569 --> 01:42:42,655 I believe that he's also supposed to say that he is watching, 1247 01:42:42,781 --> 01:42:45,450 he's supposed to be watching the video but not seen. 1248 01:42:45,450 --> 01:42:47,410 Can he confirm that? 1249 01:42:48,703 --> 01:42:53,125 I can confirm that, I saw... I've seen everything. 1250 01:42:53,458 --> 01:42:57,754 Okay, that's important, and thank you for raising that, Mr. Price. 1251 01:42:58,005 --> 01:43:02,050 All right, the first person who will speak today is Tiffinee Scott. 1252 01:43:05,387 --> 01:43:10,767 Richard. David. Theresa. 1253 01:43:11,226 --> 01:43:12,519 We have never met, 1254 01:43:12,895 --> 01:43:17,482 but I feel like I already have a relationship with you due to OxyContin. 1255 01:43:18,483 --> 01:43:21,611 Have you ever provided Narcan to one of your children? 1256 01:43:21,862 --> 01:43:24,572 Have you revived one of your children from an overdose? 1257 01:43:24,823 --> 01:43:25,657 I have. 1258 01:43:25,866 --> 01:43:28,326 There are no words to describe my pain. 1259 01:43:28,493 --> 01:43:32,664 In May of 2020, she was found unresponsive, lifeless... 1260 01:43:32,915 --> 01:43:36,376 lifeless in bed by me, her mother. 1261 01:43:36,793 --> 01:43:40,463 The deceit and horror you all caused, shame on you. 1262 01:43:40,923 --> 01:43:44,092 I remember the day Trent told me he was addicted to OxyContin. 1263 01:43:44,342 --> 01:43:47,012 He called me from the campus of the University of Alabama. 1264 01:43:47,262 --> 01:43:49,806 I could tell in his voice, there was great fear. 1265 01:43:50,057 --> 01:43:53,768 I drove the three hours, he met me in tears, we wept together. 1266 01:43:54,061 --> 01:43:58,023 "Dad, I can't stop taking Oxy. Dad, I'm afraid I'm going to die." 1267 01:43:58,273 --> 01:44:00,150 - And he did. - This is so hard. 1268 01:44:00,317 --> 01:44:05,155 I encountered opioids for the first time shortly after you launched OxyContin. 1269 01:44:05,405 --> 01:44:09,910 And I am one of the living survivors of your monumental greed. 1270 01:44:10,368 --> 01:44:12,120 I hope that every face, 1271 01:44:12,370 --> 01:44:17,084 every single victim's face haunts your every waking moment... 1272 01:44:17,334 --> 01:44:19,878 - It won't. - ...and your sleeping ones, too. 1273 01:44:20,170 --> 01:44:21,254 Thank you. 1274 01:44:21,546 --> 01:44:24,424 The next person to speak is Nan Goldin. 1275 01:44:24,925 --> 01:44:28,553 It's nice to finally see the Sacklers, face-to-face. 1276 01:44:29,012 --> 01:44:33,766 The Sacklers' so-called apology, which was mandated by this settlement, 1277 01:44:34,059 --> 01:44:37,687 is insulting to all of us who have been damaged by them. 1278 01:44:38,105 --> 01:44:43,735 One family is largely responsible for the onset of this crisis 1279 01:44:44,027 --> 01:44:48,073 that has led to the deaths of over half a million Americans, 1280 01:44:48,656 --> 01:44:52,535 and caused irreparable damage for generations to come. 1281 01:44:53,036 --> 01:44:58,000 Yet their settlement grants them immunity, not just for themselves, 1282 01:44:58,250 --> 01:45:01,211 but for generations of Sacklers to come. 1283 01:45:01,753 --> 01:45:04,797 Purdue has been found guilty of federal crimes, 1284 01:45:05,048 --> 01:45:08,135 but its private owners have never been prosecuted. 1285 01:45:08,385 --> 01:45:12,597 We hope the Justice Department will pursue criminal charges. 1286 01:45:12,847 --> 01:45:13,765 Thank you. 1287 01:45:15,475 --> 01:45:16,977 Okay, thank you. 1288 01:45:26,319 --> 01:45:28,405 They're already on the way, they've already been dispatched. 1289 01:45:28,655 --> 01:45:29,822 Has he taken anything? 1290 01:45:30,073 --> 01:45:32,450 I just don't know. He has in the past. 1291 01:45:36,204 --> 01:45:37,455 Oh, my God. 1292 01:45:40,917 --> 01:45:43,420 - You said he's 20 years old? - Yes. 1293 01:45:43,670 --> 01:45:45,505 - What's his name? - Pardon me? 1294 01:45:45,755 --> 01:45:48,133 - What's his name? - Bryan... 1295 01:45:48,800 --> 01:45:51,469 - We're on the way, okay? - Thank you, sir. 1296 01:45:53,555 --> 01:45:56,224 4,804 days. 1297 01:45:56,474 --> 01:45:58,518 Richard, if you're still listening, 1298 01:45:58,768 --> 01:46:02,689 that's how many days since I made that horrifying call. 1299 01:46:02,981 --> 01:46:04,941 I have lived with the pain and heartache 1300 01:46:05,192 --> 01:46:10,405 as a result of the loss of my only child, a pain you will never understand. 1301 01:46:10,655 --> 01:46:14,909 I can only echo the pain and suffering 1302 01:46:15,910 --> 01:46:20,207 that Kristy feels and that all of us that are here today feel. 1303 01:46:21,291 --> 01:46:26,254 I want to point out to the Sacklers that by the time this two-hour hearing is over, 1304 01:46:26,421 --> 01:46:31,093 you can add 16 more people to your death list. 1305 01:46:45,773 --> 01:46:51,529 I asked my father for records from the hospitals she'd been in. 1306 01:46:53,698 --> 01:46:57,619 And he gave them to me without reading them himself. 1307 01:47:03,625 --> 01:47:05,877 So this box came... 1308 01:47:06,128 --> 01:47:10,340 "The Box," I think of it as, with the primary documents. 1309 01:47:15,928 --> 01:47:22,269 There was the history of Barbara for me to read and I was terrified. 1310 01:47:22,894 --> 01:47:25,813 I wanted to know, but I didn't want to know. 1311 01:47:37,534 --> 01:47:42,997 I didn't understand that the first place she was sent was actually an orphanage. 1312 01:47:46,959 --> 01:47:50,630 And then she burned down the curtains and ran away. 1313 01:47:53,591 --> 01:47:57,053 She's described as a "rebellious adolescent." 1314 01:48:07,230 --> 01:48:11,651 It says in the interviews that the psychiatrist thought that 1315 01:48:11,901 --> 01:48:15,447 Mrs. Goldin should be in the hospital, not Miss Goldin. 1316 01:48:15,697 --> 01:48:19,326 And that's actually written in the hospital record. 1317 01:48:25,748 --> 01:48:31,421 My mother had been sexually abused for years by a family member. 1318 01:48:34,216 --> 01:48:39,137 And when my sister hit puberty, my mother couldn't cope with it. 1319 01:48:46,894 --> 01:48:50,898 My sister didn't have any outlet. She didn't have any context. 1320 01:48:51,149 --> 01:48:53,235 It was not mental illness. 1321 01:49:00,116 --> 01:49:03,870 I just knew how hard it was for her to be alive. 1322 01:49:07,249 --> 01:49:09,709 She wanted a home so badly. 1323 01:49:11,461 --> 01:49:16,174 If she had found people, if she'd been loved, 1324 01:49:17,425 --> 01:49:19,552 she would have survived. 1325 01:49:46,538 --> 01:49:49,249 Persons in the area told police they had seen Miss Goldin 1326 01:49:49,499 --> 01:49:50,667 a short time before 1327 01:49:50,875 --> 01:49:53,920 when she asked when the next train was due to pass. 1328 01:49:54,170 --> 01:49:58,716 Shortly before 5:30 p.m., persons said, Miss Goldin put her pocketbook 1329 01:49:58,966 --> 01:50:03,012 on the ground next to the tracks, then lay down across the tracks 1330 01:50:03,263 --> 01:50:05,848 as the Capitol Limited approached. 1331 01:50:06,098 --> 01:50:10,853 The train's engineer told police they saw her and nailed the brakes, 1332 01:50:11,103 --> 01:50:13,690 but were unable to stop the train. 1333 01:50:13,940 --> 01:50:18,027 Pathological examiner ruled her death as a suicide. 1334 01:50:18,278 --> 01:50:24,158 Other significant conditions contributing to death: severe mental depression. 1335 01:50:36,838 --> 01:50:40,132 I mean, that's the problem, you grow up being told, 1336 01:50:40,383 --> 01:50:43,094 "That didn't happen. You didn't see that. 1337 01:50:43,345 --> 01:50:47,056 "You didn't hear that." And what do you do? 1338 01:50:47,307 --> 01:50:50,477 How do you believe yourself? How do you trust yourself? 1339 01:50:50,685 --> 01:50:53,355 How do you continue to trust yourself? 1340 01:50:53,480 --> 01:50:56,358 And then how do you show the world 1341 01:50:56,524 --> 01:51:00,612 that you did experience that, that you did hear that? 1342 01:51:00,862 --> 01:51:04,073 So that's the reason I take pictures. 1343 01:51:13,708 --> 01:51:16,711 - Nan, what are you...? - Beautiful, you look beautiful. 1344 01:51:16,961 --> 01:51:19,130 - Nan, does that have sound? - Yeah. 1345 01:51:19,381 --> 01:51:20,548 Oh, my dear! 1346 01:51:21,090 --> 01:51:22,509 Let's go, honey. 1347 01:51:27,054 --> 01:51:30,141 My mom's a dance fanatic. 1348 01:51:32,352 --> 01:51:35,438 And she's gonna teach her old husband how to move it. 1349 01:51:36,314 --> 01:51:38,274 I like to do this... 1350 01:51:39,359 --> 01:51:42,028 - Go, Mom! - Go for it. 1351 01:51:48,284 --> 01:51:51,996 My father and mother were not equipped to be parents. 1352 01:51:54,081 --> 01:51:57,794 They had children because it was expected, 1353 01:51:58,044 --> 01:52:01,589 more than it was about nurturing other human beings. 1354 01:52:03,675 --> 01:52:05,259 That looks good! 1355 01:52:10,014 --> 01:52:13,309 - Yeah, but hold it up more. - Is that high enough? 1356 01:52:14,060 --> 01:52:15,645 - Yeah, that's beautiful. - You can see it? 1357 01:52:15,895 --> 01:52:19,691 Barbara loved Nan very much. They were very, very close. 1358 01:52:23,152 --> 01:52:28,991 When she died, she had in her pocketbook a very beautiful, small book of Psalms. 1359 01:52:30,076 --> 01:52:32,829 And she had this wonderful quotation from... 1360 01:52:33,162 --> 01:52:36,290 - Conrad... - The Heart of Darkness. 1361 01:52:36,791 --> 01:52:41,796 Joseph Conrad. She was also, like Nan, a very wide reader. 1362 01:52:43,005 --> 01:52:49,512 And I have the quotation upstairs, but it had in it something about... 1363 01:52:57,186 --> 01:52:58,354 - Can you stop? - Yeah... 1364 01:52:58,605 --> 01:53:00,940 - You should get the quotation. - Stop. 1365 01:53:01,483 --> 01:53:05,653 - Something about regrets. - Yeah. Infinite regrets. 1366 01:53:12,326 --> 01:53:14,078 Is it on now? 1367 01:53:14,328 --> 01:53:16,706 Quotation from Heart of Darkness... 1368 01:53:16,956 --> 01:53:19,291 And it was just written on a piece of paper? 1369 01:53:20,376 --> 01:53:24,589 "It's a droll thing life is, that mysterious arrangement 1370 01:53:24,839 --> 01:53:28,510 "of merciless logic for a futile purpose. 1371 01:53:29,343 --> 01:53:33,890 "The most you can hope for is some knowledge of yourself... 1372 01:53:44,233 --> 01:53:46,318 "that comes too late... 1373 01:53:47,654 --> 01:53:50,740 "A crop of unextinguishable regrets." 1374 01:54:13,471 --> 01:54:20,478 I think this story is an important story, not just for me, but for society... 1375 01:54:24,106 --> 01:54:27,735 About conformity and denial. 1376 01:54:29,612 --> 01:54:31,823 And also about stigma. 1377 01:54:33,616 --> 01:54:38,329 The wrong things are kept secret and that destroys people. 1378 01:54:41,624 --> 01:54:46,212 My sister was a victim of all that, but she knew how to fight back. 1379 01:54:49,173 --> 01:54:54,470 Her rebellion was the starting point for my own. 1380 01:54:56,639 --> 01:54:58,850 She showed me the way. 1381 01:55:03,312 --> 01:55:05,898 - Let's turn off for a minute. - Yeah. 1382 01:55:35,302 --> 01:55:36,512 Oh, wow. 1383 01:55:53,445 --> 01:55:54,405 Wow. 1384 01:56:03,205 --> 01:56:04,999 We did it, baby. 1385 01:56:10,129 --> 01:56:13,507 Four years of work. Congress didn't do anything. 1386 01:56:13,716 --> 01:56:16,010 Justice Department hasn't done anything. 1387 01:56:16,260 --> 01:56:22,433 Bankruptcy court, you know, completely left them better than ever. 1388 01:56:22,684 --> 01:56:27,104 You know, they're completely vindicated by bankruptcy court. 1389 01:56:27,354 --> 01:56:31,192 And so this is the only place they're being held accountable, the only place. 1390 01:56:31,358 --> 01:56:32,276 And we did it. 1391 01:56:38,741 --> 01:56:39,742 Wow... 1392 01:56:42,036 --> 01:56:44,163 Oh, my goodness. What a feeling. 1393 01:56:45,790 --> 01:56:47,750 - Incredible. - It's amazing. 1394 01:56:49,293 --> 01:56:54,632 - The Sacklers are now "private sources." - Here, stay there. 1395 01:56:54,882 --> 01:56:57,760 It doesn't say what private sources. 1396 01:57:00,179 --> 01:57:01,555 Beautiful! 1397 01:57:01,848 --> 01:57:04,058 - Oh, man! - It's so good! 1398 01:57:04,642 --> 01:57:06,728 It's hard to believe. 1399 01:59:42,884 --> 01:59:45,552 ♪ Unlock my love ♪ 1400 01:59:46,846 --> 01:59:49,891 ♪ And set me free ♪ 1401 01:59:51,017 --> 01:59:53,853 ♪ Come fill me up ♪ 1402 01:59:55,104 --> 01:59:57,857 ♪ With ecstasy ♪ 1403 01:59:59,191 --> 02:00:03,279 ♪ Surround my heartbeat with your fingertips ♪ 1404 02:00:03,487 --> 02:00:07,158 ♪ Unbound my feet, untie my wrists ♪ 1405 02:00:07,366 --> 02:00:11,412 ♪ Come in to my world of loneliness ♪ 1406 02:00:11,662 --> 02:00:13,289 ♪ And wickedness ♪ 1407 02:00:13,539 --> 02:00:15,416 ♪ And bitterness ♪ 1408 02:00:15,707 --> 02:00:18,627 ♪ Unlock my love ♪ 1409 02:00:48,490 --> 02:00:51,410 ♪ Unsuffer me ♪ 1410 02:00:52,328 --> 02:00:55,331 ♪ Take away the pain ♪ 1411 02:00:56,498 --> 02:00:59,710 ♪ Unbruise, unbloody ♪ 1412 02:01:00,586 --> 02:01:03,589 ♪ Wash away the stain ♪ 1413 02:01:04,756 --> 02:01:06,758 ♪ Anoint my head ♪ 1414 02:01:06,884 --> 02:01:08,635 ♪ With your sweet kiss ♪ 1415 02:01:08,760 --> 02:01:10,804 ♪ My joy is dead ♪ 1416 02:01:10,930 --> 02:01:12,848 ♪ I long for bliss ♪ 1417 02:01:12,974 --> 02:01:14,892 ♪ I long for knowledge ♪ 1418 02:01:15,017 --> 02:01:16,852 ♪ Whisper in my ear ♪ 1419 02:01:17,061 --> 02:01:20,898 ♪ Undo my logic, undo my fear ♪ 1420 02:01:21,107 --> 02:01:25,069 ♪ Unsuffer me ♪