1 00:00:10,967 --> 00:00:12,969 - The United States deputy marshal 2 00:00:13,013 --> 00:00:16,451 had been murdered, and two other deputy marshals 3 00:00:16,494 --> 00:00:17,756 had been pinned down. 4 00:00:18,540 --> 00:00:21,195 - We were told the ones that killed the marshal 5 00:00:21,238 --> 00:00:23,023 were now on the loose. 6 00:00:23,066 --> 00:00:24,502 [tense music] 7 00:00:24,546 --> 00:00:27,592 - The marshals were there to arrest Randall Weaver 8 00:00:27,636 --> 00:00:29,638 for failure to appear warrant. 9 00:00:29,681 --> 00:00:32,989 - He had some connection as a white separatist 10 00:00:33,033 --> 00:00:34,251 with the Aryan Nations. 11 00:00:36,210 --> 00:00:38,255 [reporter]: Randy Weaver has been holed up in a remote 12 00:00:38,299 --> 00:00:41,737 mountain cabin in Idaho surrounded by an army of police 13 00:00:41,780 --> 00:00:43,434 and federal agents. 14 00:00:43,478 --> 00:00:45,436 - You want to know everything about this guy, 15 00:00:45,480 --> 00:00:48,222 what he's capable of, and who our opponent is going to be. 16 00:00:48,265 --> 00:00:50,833 - This guy was former military. 17 00:00:52,052 --> 00:00:55,142 He may have had Special Forces training. 18 00:00:55,185 --> 00:00:56,969 - Mr. Woodland. 19 00:00:57,013 --> 00:00:58,928 Mr. Firearms. 20 00:00:58,971 --> 00:00:59,885 Booby traps... 21 00:01:00,843 --> 00:01:02,627 And we didn't know exactly how many people were up there 22 00:01:02,671 --> 00:01:04,412 with him. They were all heavily armed. 23 00:01:04,455 --> 00:01:06,849 [tense music] 24 00:01:08,198 --> 00:01:10,418 - And I see this individual walking up. 25 00:01:11,549 --> 00:01:14,117 So I'm taking pressure off the trigger, 26 00:01:14,161 --> 00:01:16,771 and all of a sudden, the shot goes off. 27 00:01:16,815 --> 00:01:18,164 [gunshot] 28 00:01:18,730 --> 00:01:20,689 - You're a disgrace to the white race! 29 00:01:20,732 --> 00:01:22,169 [camera shutter clicking] 30 00:01:26,869 --> 00:01:29,828 [narrator]: In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines. 31 00:01:33,354 --> 00:01:36,226 Drug busts, mob stings. 32 00:01:36,966 --> 00:01:38,794 Terrorist takedowns. 33 00:01:39,490 --> 00:01:40,839 [indistinct shouting] 34 00:01:40,883 --> 00:01:42,189 We understand why people 35 00:01:42,232 --> 00:01:43,973 want to tell stories about us. 36 00:01:44,015 --> 00:01:45,627 - Mark it. - Freeze! 37 00:01:45,670 --> 00:01:46,584 - FBI. - FBI. 38 00:01:46,628 --> 00:01:48,020 - Action! 39 00:01:48,064 --> 00:01:50,021 [narrator]: But they don't know the half of it. 40 00:01:51,676 --> 00:01:53,548 What really goes down? 41 00:01:53,591 --> 00:01:55,854 We save that for each other, 42 00:01:55,898 --> 00:01:57,987 when we're talking agent to agent. 43 00:02:01,033 --> 00:02:04,036 This is FBI True. 44 00:02:07,257 --> 00:02:09,346 [soft eerie music] 45 00:02:12,349 --> 00:02:14,873 - Guys, is this the first time you've ever been together 46 00:02:14,917 --> 00:02:18,964 and talking about this Ruby Ridge situation in public? 47 00:02:19,008 --> 00:02:20,966 - It is. - Absolutely. 48 00:02:21,010 --> 00:02:23,926 I avoid talking about these things as much as possible. 49 00:02:23,969 --> 00:02:25,623 - I don't, uh... 50 00:02:25,667 --> 00:02:27,973 It's not something I enjoy speaking of. 51 00:02:28,017 --> 00:02:29,758 - What made you decide at this point that 52 00:02:29,801 --> 00:02:34,415 this was a good venue to talk about this together? 53 00:02:34,458 --> 00:02:36,112 - We trust you guys to do the right thing, 54 00:02:36,156 --> 00:02:38,941 because these documentaries, I don't care who does it, 55 00:02:38,984 --> 00:02:42,204 it's always skewed one way or the other. 56 00:02:42,249 --> 00:02:44,033 This is the only way it will probably ever 57 00:02:44,076 --> 00:02:45,861 be told truthfully. 58 00:02:45,904 --> 00:02:47,341 - There's no spin. 59 00:02:47,384 --> 00:02:49,168 - There is no spin here. 60 00:02:49,212 --> 00:02:52,737 [narrator]: Kristy Kottis is a 24-year veteran of the FB. 61 00:02:52,781 --> 00:02:55,740 She worked gangs, crimes against children 62 00:02:55,784 --> 00:02:58,221 as well as human and drug trafficking. 63 00:02:58,265 --> 00:03:00,745 - Take me back to when you first get the notification 64 00:03:00,789 --> 00:03:02,704 that you have to deploy. 65 00:03:02,747 --> 00:03:05,228 - It was a Friday, it was around midday. 66 00:03:05,272 --> 00:03:07,752 I was over in the gym, working out... 67 00:03:07,796 --> 00:03:10,407 [narrator]: Jim McGee began his career as a firefighter 68 00:03:10,451 --> 00:03:12,409 for the National Forest Service. 69 00:03:12,453 --> 00:03:15,543 As a member of the FBI's Hostage Rescue Team, 70 00:03:15,586 --> 00:03:19,634 he received the Medal of Valor for Exceptional Heroism. 71 00:03:19,677 --> 00:03:21,679 - We get the 333 over the pager. 72 00:03:21,723 --> 00:03:23,333 - We got the triple threes. 73 00:03:23,377 --> 00:03:24,682 And then you knew it was for real. 74 00:03:24,726 --> 00:03:25,901 Something bad had happened somewhere 75 00:03:25,944 --> 00:03:27,468 and we need to deploy. 76 00:03:27,511 --> 00:03:30,210 [narrator]: As an FBI Special Agent, Charlie Rasner 77 00:03:30,253 --> 00:03:32,690 worked domestic terrorism and civil rights cases 78 00:03:32,734 --> 00:03:35,824 before joining the FBI's Hostae Rescue Team as a sniper. 79 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,567 - When you get the triple three, I mean, that's a good day. 80 00:03:40,611 --> 00:03:42,613 That's what you were on HRT for, is mission. 81 00:03:42,656 --> 00:03:45,312 [narrator]: Dale Monroe was a pilot in the Marine Corps 82 00:03:45,355 --> 00:03:48,445 before becoming a Special Agent with the FBI. 83 00:03:48,489 --> 00:03:52,101 He joined the Hostage Rescue Team in 1991. 84 00:03:52,971 --> 00:03:55,147 - Did anyone have an idea already 85 00:03:55,191 --> 00:03:56,584 where you might be going? - No. 86 00:03:56,627 --> 00:03:57,715 - Nothing. 87 00:03:57,759 --> 00:03:59,804 - You'd go over to the HRT building, 88 00:03:59,848 --> 00:04:02,111 get the briefing, and then you find out. 89 00:04:02,154 --> 00:04:04,113 [Kottis]: So you guys are all in the briefing room. 90 00:04:04,156 --> 00:04:05,201 What do you hear? 91 00:04:05,245 --> 00:04:06,594 - We had a United States 92 00:04:06,637 --> 00:04:09,249 deputy marshal who had been murdered. 93 00:04:13,427 --> 00:04:16,995 And apparently, he was with at least two other 94 00:04:17,039 --> 00:04:18,387 deputy marshals, and they're doing 95 00:04:18,432 --> 00:04:20,695 a reconnaissance of a cabin. 96 00:04:20,738 --> 00:04:23,350 And they had been engaged in a firefight. 97 00:04:23,393 --> 00:04:27,005 - The marshals were there to arrest Randall Weaver... 98 00:04:30,835 --> 00:04:32,794 ...for failure to appear warrant. 99 00:04:32,837 --> 00:04:34,274 That's all we really knew, 100 00:04:34,317 --> 00:04:36,188 that he had violated his court order 101 00:04:36,232 --> 00:04:38,321 to appear in court. - Later on, 102 00:04:38,365 --> 00:04:40,192 we found out the whole thing started 103 00:04:40,236 --> 00:04:41,629 with the ATF case. 104 00:04:41,672 --> 00:04:43,326 - Who's the ATF looking at? - Aryan Nation. 105 00:04:43,370 --> 00:04:45,807 - The Aryan Nation. - Well, they had a source 106 00:04:45,850 --> 00:04:47,983 and he convinces Randy Weaver 107 00:04:48,026 --> 00:04:51,334 to saw off a couple of shotguns. 108 00:04:51,378 --> 00:04:54,076 And now they want to do what they did with their source, 109 00:04:54,119 --> 00:04:55,991 they wanna make him the next source. 110 00:04:56,034 --> 00:04:58,254 And Randy? No, he doesn't want to work for them. 111 00:04:58,298 --> 00:04:59,995 He said, no, I'm not. 112 00:05:00,038 --> 00:05:02,824 So they say, well, we can charge you if you don't. 113 00:05:02,867 --> 00:05:06,741 And he says, Go ahead, charge me. So they charge him. 114 00:05:10,962 --> 00:05:13,269 The charge is illegally... 115 00:05:13,313 --> 00:05:16,228 [Kottis]: ...modifying a weapon. [Monroe]: Modifying shotguns. 116 00:05:16,272 --> 00:05:19,275 The court docket says he was supposed to report 117 00:05:19,319 --> 00:05:21,321 February 20th. 118 00:05:21,364 --> 00:05:22,974 They give him his paperwork. 119 00:05:23,018 --> 00:05:25,716 His paperwork says he's supposed to report 120 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,025 March 20th. So 2/20 goes by, 121 00:05:30,068 --> 00:05:35,813 and he doesn't come down. He's now a failure to appear. 122 00:05:35,857 --> 00:05:37,206 - Right. - So they arrest him. 123 00:05:37,249 --> 00:05:39,469 He shows him his paperwork, everybody realizes 124 00:05:39,513 --> 00:05:42,603 there's been a mistake, but you still have to answer 125 00:05:42,646 --> 00:05:45,649 for these charges. He says you'll never see me again. 126 00:05:45,693 --> 00:05:47,433 - And so the marshals were ordered by a federal judge 127 00:05:47,477 --> 00:05:49,914 to bring him in. And that's why they were 128 00:05:49,957 --> 00:05:51,786 conducting surveillance, to try to catch him off 129 00:05:51,829 --> 00:05:54,223 the compound so they could peacefully arrest him 130 00:05:54,266 --> 00:05:55,267 and bring him in. 131 00:06:04,712 --> 00:06:07,192 - The marshals were actually leaving for the day, 132 00:06:07,236 --> 00:06:09,107 but they had to change the batteries. 133 00:06:09,151 --> 00:06:10,848 - Surveillance was burned, and they were 134 00:06:10,892 --> 00:06:11,980 essentially ambushed. 135 00:06:12,023 --> 00:06:13,068 [gunshot] 136 00:06:13,111 --> 00:06:14,635 [ominous music] 137 00:06:14,678 --> 00:06:15,897 And the marshal was killed. 138 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:37,222 - So that's what we're hearing. Basically, it's a bad situation. 139 00:06:37,266 --> 00:06:38,963 From our perspective. All right, well, 140 00:06:39,007 --> 00:06:42,576 there may be a need for a rescue here, right? 141 00:06:42,619 --> 00:06:45,274 Immediately, to get those guys out who are pinned down. 142 00:06:45,317 --> 00:06:46,884 So they're going to call the final option. 143 00:06:46,928 --> 00:06:49,234 That's the HRT. - Mm-hmm. 144 00:06:49,278 --> 00:06:51,323 - You know, we're going into this situation, 145 00:06:51,367 --> 00:06:54,936 this guy, he's in like, this isolated cabin... 146 00:06:54,979 --> 00:06:57,068 [tense music] 147 00:06:59,810 --> 00:07:03,727 ...up on a mountaintop in the panhandle of Idaho. 148 00:07:03,771 --> 00:07:06,730 I knew we were going into some very, very 149 00:07:06,774 --> 00:07:10,125 rough terrain, because, just by chance, 150 00:07:10,168 --> 00:07:13,041 ten years earlier, I had spent a month in that area 151 00:07:13,084 --> 00:07:15,478 fighting a major forest fire. 152 00:07:15,522 --> 00:07:17,132 - Oh, wow. - I knew we were going 153 00:07:17,175 --> 00:07:19,961 into some steep terrain. 154 00:07:20,004 --> 00:07:21,571 If you weren't used to hiking hills, 155 00:07:21,615 --> 00:07:22,920 you were gonna get used to it. 156 00:07:28,709 --> 00:07:30,972 - We're getting ready. A deputy U.S. marshal 157 00:07:31,015 --> 00:07:32,452 has been murdered. We don't know 158 00:07:32,495 --> 00:07:35,193 how it happened exactly. We want to know everything about 159 00:07:35,237 --> 00:07:38,196 Randall Weaver, about what he's capable of 160 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:40,111 and who our opponent is going to be. 161 00:07:40,155 --> 00:07:41,678 So we want information. 162 00:07:41,722 --> 00:07:44,638 - After we landed, at an Air Force base 163 00:07:44,681 --> 00:07:47,162 in Washington State, 164 00:07:47,205 --> 00:07:49,512 then we had to drive from there 165 00:07:49,556 --> 00:07:52,036 to Bonners Ferry, Idaho, which is up close 166 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,561 to the Canada border, 167 00:07:54,604 --> 00:07:56,998 and that's where we received the briefing. 168 00:07:57,041 --> 00:07:58,695 - What do they tell you at Bonners Ferry? 169 00:07:58,739 --> 00:08:02,307 - You know, this guy was former military. 170 00:08:02,351 --> 00:08:06,486 And so, he may have had some Special Forces training. 171 00:08:06,529 --> 00:08:09,358 Also that he had some connection 172 00:08:09,401 --> 00:08:12,274 as a white separatist with the Aryan Nations. 173 00:08:12,317 --> 00:08:15,016 [tense music] 174 00:08:20,761 --> 00:08:23,154 - My impression was he was a former Green Beret. 175 00:08:23,198 --> 00:08:25,113 If you remember the movie Rambo at the time, 176 00:08:25,156 --> 00:08:26,767 they were comparing him to that guy. 177 00:08:30,901 --> 00:08:33,861 Mr. Woodland. Mr. Firearms Expert. 178 00:08:33,904 --> 00:08:35,863 Mr. Explosives. Booby traps. 179 00:08:35,905 --> 00:08:38,474 Be careful. He's gonna get out in the woods and outflank you, 180 00:08:38,518 --> 00:08:40,476 if possible, and we didn't know exactly how many people 181 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:43,174 were up there with him. They were all heavily armed. 182 00:08:48,353 --> 00:08:51,748 - And that's where we found out that the Idaho State Police 183 00:08:51,792 --> 00:08:55,447 SWAT team had the body of Deputy Marshal 184 00:08:55,491 --> 00:08:57,624 William Degan coming off the mountain. 185 00:09:01,105 --> 00:09:03,151 - They'd been able to extract him, 186 00:09:03,194 --> 00:09:04,979 as well as the other deputy marshals 187 00:09:05,022 --> 00:09:08,635 who have also been able to get out of the area. 188 00:09:08,678 --> 00:09:11,333 [ominous music] 189 00:09:14,728 --> 00:09:16,904 So they're no longer pinned down. 190 00:09:16,947 --> 00:09:18,688 That changes things. 191 00:09:18,732 --> 00:09:21,082 Now it goes from an emergency assault 192 00:09:21,125 --> 00:09:24,651 to try to rescue these guys to more of a sniper mission. 193 00:09:24,694 --> 00:09:26,478 So they're going to have to go in and gather intelligence 194 00:09:26,522 --> 00:09:28,480 and see what the heck we're dealing with. 195 00:09:28,524 --> 00:09:30,787 - Our job is to go and arrest this person 196 00:09:30,831 --> 00:09:33,573 who apparently has just murdered a federal marshal. 197 00:09:33,616 --> 00:09:35,575 And so, we want information. 198 00:09:35,618 --> 00:09:37,489 - So at this time, you don't have any details 199 00:09:37,533 --> 00:09:39,535 of how that transpired, how they got burned. 200 00:09:39,579 --> 00:09:42,494 - Right. What we got was incomplete and fragmented, 201 00:09:42,538 --> 00:09:44,975 but we knew that he was viciously murdered. 202 00:09:45,019 --> 00:09:46,498 - Right. - And that they were 203 00:09:46,542 --> 00:09:49,197 running around the mountain and we didn't know where. 204 00:09:54,028 --> 00:09:56,857 - There was no perimeter, no knowledge of where they were. 205 00:09:56,900 --> 00:09:59,903 And so, we were supposed to figure that out. 206 00:09:59,947 --> 00:10:03,428 They gave us a little bit of information on the family. 207 00:10:03,472 --> 00:10:05,953 - Who do you understand those individuals are? 208 00:10:05,996 --> 00:10:07,911 - Randy and Vicki Weaver... 209 00:10:09,260 --> 00:10:12,046 their friend Kevin Harris, 210 00:10:12,829 --> 00:10:17,268 the kids of Randy, Vicki Weaver, Sara, Rachel, 211 00:10:17,312 --> 00:10:20,054 Sammy and Elisheba. 212 00:10:21,359 --> 00:10:22,709 - Two of the kids were armed. 213 00:10:26,408 --> 00:10:27,627 Sammy and Sara. 214 00:10:27,670 --> 00:10:29,672 [tense music] 215 00:10:50,084 --> 00:10:52,390 - We were told that they didn't really care 216 00:10:52,434 --> 00:10:54,610 for trespassers, and we were told this. 217 00:10:54,654 --> 00:10:57,700 They had, around the cabin, 218 00:10:57,744 --> 00:11:01,704 various rock outcroppings which they would run to, 219 00:11:01,748 --> 00:11:03,793 doing these ready action drills 220 00:11:03,837 --> 00:11:06,578 with long weapons to engage anybody 221 00:11:06,622 --> 00:11:08,319 who might come on their property. 222 00:11:13,585 --> 00:11:16,501 - From there, what are you thinking? 223 00:11:16,545 --> 00:11:18,155 - We got somebody up there that's willing to kill 224 00:11:18,199 --> 00:11:20,897 a deputy U.S. marshal. They'll kill us just as well. 225 00:11:22,594 --> 00:11:25,902 So we have to be on our game. We don't know where they are. 226 00:11:25,946 --> 00:11:28,426 We know that the terrain is vast. 227 00:11:28,470 --> 00:11:30,515 It's a wilderness. It's their turf, not ours. 228 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:33,780 We're foreigners, we're invaders in their eyes. 229 00:11:33,823 --> 00:11:36,304 And we need to be very careful when we go up there. 230 00:11:42,614 --> 00:11:44,921 - Jim, assaulters are not going to get into position 231 00:11:44,965 --> 00:11:47,010 until the snipers have set up the perimeter. 232 00:11:47,054 --> 00:11:49,230 - As an assaulter, I was still at the bottom 233 00:11:49,273 --> 00:11:50,884 of the mountain, where we were planning 234 00:11:50,927 --> 00:11:53,364 for a possible assault on the cabin. 235 00:11:53,408 --> 00:11:56,150 [indistinct chatter] 236 00:12:00,067 --> 00:12:02,417 - We're about two and a half, three-hour climb 237 00:12:02,460 --> 00:12:05,333 from the staging area to... - Yeah, easily. 238 00:12:05,376 --> 00:12:07,291 - ...our perimeter to the cabin. 239 00:12:07,335 --> 00:12:09,990 And before we even got the perimeter set up... 240 00:12:11,252 --> 00:12:13,515 ...we could have been ambushed at any time. 241 00:12:13,558 --> 00:12:15,473 [suspenseful music] 242 00:12:20,130 --> 00:12:23,830 So going up there, we're definitely alert 243 00:12:23,873 --> 00:12:25,788 to the right, to the left, to the back of us, 244 00:12:25,832 --> 00:12:30,227 the front of us as to anybody that could ambush us. 245 00:12:34,362 --> 00:12:36,364 - Take me to that scene. You guys have backpacks, 246 00:12:36,407 --> 00:12:39,540 all your equipment, do they drop you at a trailhead? 247 00:12:39,584 --> 00:12:41,325 Like, where do they drop you? Where do you start? 248 00:12:41,369 --> 00:12:44,024 - Well, two marshals led the way. 249 00:12:44,067 --> 00:12:46,809 They took us up most of the way 250 00:12:46,853 --> 00:12:50,726 to what was considered a "Y" in the trail. 251 00:12:54,643 --> 00:12:57,472 And that's where they left us. And then they pointed 252 00:12:57,515 --> 00:13:01,171 to where the cabin was. And then we ended up 253 00:13:01,215 --> 00:13:04,784 working our way to put up a half-moon 254 00:13:04,827 --> 00:13:06,829 sniper positions around the house, 255 00:13:06,873 --> 00:13:08,744 so we could see what was going on, 256 00:13:08,788 --> 00:13:10,659 if anything happened. - Right. 257 00:13:10,702 --> 00:13:13,967 - We only had 13 snipers, which is not many, 258 00:13:14,010 --> 00:13:16,708 when you consider the vastness of the terrain. 259 00:13:20,625 --> 00:13:23,367 - We ended up going in first, 260 00:13:23,411 --> 00:13:26,327 and then we set up the final firing position. 261 00:13:26,370 --> 00:13:31,811 Our observation point. My partner Lon had his rifle. 262 00:13:38,078 --> 00:13:39,862 He decided to kneel. 263 00:13:39,906 --> 00:13:42,909 There was a branch coming out of the tree. 264 00:13:42,952 --> 00:13:45,433 Perfect height. I went prone. 265 00:13:45,476 --> 00:13:48,610 All the other snipers went prone as well. 266 00:13:48,653 --> 00:13:50,525 [ominous music] 267 00:13:54,007 --> 00:13:56,748 - The command post was way down here. 268 00:13:56,792 --> 00:13:58,750 The cabin was way up here. 269 00:14:03,364 --> 00:14:06,454 And my partner and I were in overwatch position, 270 00:14:06,497 --> 00:14:10,545 which was about 600 yards above the cabin. 271 00:14:13,504 --> 00:14:16,377 We had drag bags, I would say we had a couple hundred pounds 272 00:14:16,420 --> 00:14:19,859 here easily with food, water, ammunition, weapons. 273 00:14:19,902 --> 00:14:22,644 We had the long guns and had sidearms. 274 00:14:24,559 --> 00:14:26,953 - We see the helicopter... 275 00:14:30,826 --> 00:14:31,958 ...buzzing in and out. 276 00:14:32,001 --> 00:14:34,134 We know it's got our command staff in it. 277 00:14:34,177 --> 00:14:36,005 It's a small helicopter, it's tiny. 278 00:14:36,049 --> 00:14:38,138 We call it the little bird. Two pilots, 279 00:14:38,181 --> 00:14:39,661 maybe two passengers. 280 00:14:39,704 --> 00:14:41,837 We see the helicopter in our face 281 00:14:41,881 --> 00:14:44,187 and then under the clouds dipping back and forth, 282 00:14:44,231 --> 00:14:46,929 trying to get a viewpoint of the cabin, 283 00:14:46,973 --> 00:14:48,888 and the vicinity of the cabin. 284 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:54,284 - I heard the helicopter. 285 00:14:54,328 --> 00:14:56,330 And as soon as it... It looked like it was up 286 00:14:56,373 --> 00:14:59,637 to my high left. I didn't think anything of it. 287 00:14:59,681 --> 00:15:02,466 And all of a sudden, the cabin door swings open 288 00:15:02,510 --> 00:15:05,730 and three people run out. Sara, Kevin and Randy Weaver. 289 00:15:11,562 --> 00:15:14,435 I'm watching them through my scope. 290 00:15:14,478 --> 00:15:16,654 And all of a sudden, I look, and I'm looking 291 00:15:16,698 --> 00:15:20,049 right at the birthing shed as well as the cabin. 292 00:15:22,965 --> 00:15:25,707 And I see this individual walking up 293 00:15:25,750 --> 00:15:27,535 kind of in a crouched manner, 294 00:15:27,578 --> 00:15:31,278 coming up the back side of the birthing shed. 295 00:15:31,321 --> 00:15:33,715 [ominous music] 296 00:15:37,719 --> 00:15:40,765 And so, I mentioned this to Lon. He sees it too. 297 00:15:40,809 --> 00:15:42,637 And then the individual gets to the edge 298 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:44,160 of the birthing shed. 299 00:15:44,204 --> 00:15:47,816 And now he turns and in a crouched, 300 00:15:47,859 --> 00:15:53,169 aggressive kind of stance, and up comes the rifle. 301 00:15:54,518 --> 00:15:56,390 There was no doubt in my mind he was going to fire 302 00:15:56,433 --> 00:15:58,131 at the helicopter. - Right. 303 00:15:58,174 --> 00:16:00,568 - So I'm taking pressure off the trigger, 304 00:16:00,611 --> 00:16:03,832 and all of a sudden, the shot goes off. 305 00:16:03,875 --> 00:16:05,355 [gunshot] 306 00:16:06,704 --> 00:16:08,489 And it was right into my ear 307 00:16:08,532 --> 00:16:12,145 because it was my partner Lon's shot that went off. 308 00:16:12,188 --> 00:16:14,495 I see it hit Weaver. 309 00:16:16,976 --> 00:16:20,196 And he starts running, and then all of a sudden, 310 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,983 I see the other two come into view, 311 00:16:24,026 --> 00:16:28,161 and then Randy joined up with Kevin, 312 00:16:28,204 --> 00:16:31,991 and they're looking at Lon and I's direction, 313 00:16:32,034 --> 00:16:34,123 like they knew where the shot came from. 314 00:16:34,167 --> 00:16:36,299 - Mm-hmm. - And their weapons 315 00:16:36,343 --> 00:16:38,388 are at port arms, 316 00:16:38,432 --> 00:16:40,651 pointing at our direction, 317 00:16:40,695 --> 00:16:43,437 and they're moving toward the cabin. 318 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,482 So, Weaver was ahead of him 319 00:16:45,526 --> 00:16:48,442 and got in, and Lon's shot goes off again. 320 00:16:48,485 --> 00:16:50,183 [gunshot] 321 00:16:50,226 --> 00:16:52,359 [ominous music] 322 00:16:55,275 --> 00:16:59,061 And it's the same thing. I know... It's again Lon's shot. 323 00:17:02,586 --> 00:17:06,199 Then I see Harris stumble a bit 324 00:17:06,242 --> 00:17:08,069 and then fall into the doorway. 325 00:17:08,114 --> 00:17:10,942 That was the last thing I saw 326 00:17:10,986 --> 00:17:14,771 until we heard about 30 seconds worth of screams. 327 00:17:14,816 --> 00:17:17,165 And we're wondering, you know, what the heck is that? 328 00:17:17,210 --> 00:17:19,820 I was thinking the two males had been shot. 329 00:17:19,864 --> 00:17:21,648 And I thought maybe more seriously 330 00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:25,218 than I thought they were shot, because of all these screams. 331 00:17:25,261 --> 00:17:27,915 After the shots, we talked about the hits. 332 00:17:27,959 --> 00:17:30,005 - Right. - And I told him 333 00:17:30,049 --> 00:17:34,227 I definitely know he hit Weaver. 334 00:17:34,270 --> 00:17:35,924 And I said, and I'm pretty sure 335 00:17:35,967 --> 00:17:37,969 you hit the second shot. 336 00:17:38,013 --> 00:17:40,320 You hit Harris. 337 00:17:42,148 --> 00:17:44,541 - We have a dead United States deputy marshal. 338 00:17:44,585 --> 00:17:47,457 And these guys are suspected of murdering him. 339 00:17:47,501 --> 00:17:49,851 - Mm-hmm. - So we're getting the job done. 340 00:17:49,894 --> 00:17:51,722 - The next day, we went right back up there. 341 00:17:51,766 --> 00:17:53,333 - We knew we were gonna go right back out. 342 00:17:53,376 --> 00:17:55,074 - Not knowing where they were again. 343 00:17:55,117 --> 00:17:56,075 - Right. - Right. 344 00:18:02,081 --> 00:18:05,214 - And what we've been tasked to do is to clear 345 00:18:05,258 --> 00:18:07,303 and dismantle these various outbuildings; 346 00:18:07,347 --> 00:18:10,959 birthing shed, tack shed, outhouse, whatever, 347 00:18:11,002 --> 00:18:15,050 so that the snipers, and us as well, 348 00:18:15,094 --> 00:18:17,096 would have a clear view of the cabin, 349 00:18:17,139 --> 00:18:19,533 because now, we're going to set up on the perimeter 350 00:18:19,576 --> 00:18:22,840 in an emergency assault status. 351 00:18:26,540 --> 00:18:30,021 We were going to continue that mission until all of those 352 00:18:30,065 --> 00:18:31,980 buildings were dismantled 353 00:18:32,023 --> 00:18:33,677 and then we were gonna start on the cabin. 354 00:18:33,721 --> 00:18:36,202 - My partner and I had moved down 355 00:18:36,245 --> 00:18:38,769 to the birthing shed, which was 20 yards from the main cabin. 356 00:18:38,813 --> 00:18:40,684 One of the operators, Jack Morrison, 357 00:18:40,728 --> 00:18:42,947 exited the APC, because the thought was, 358 00:18:42,991 --> 00:18:44,340 "Well, we better check the building before 359 00:18:44,384 --> 00:18:45,776 we start dismantling, we can't just knock it down. 360 00:18:45,820 --> 00:18:47,517 It might have explosives, it might have anything, 361 00:18:47,561 --> 00:18:49,389 it may be booby trapped. We don't know." 362 00:18:49,432 --> 00:18:51,086 So Jack goes over to the building and I... 363 00:18:51,130 --> 00:18:53,044 I'm 20 yards from him at that point, 364 00:18:53,088 --> 00:18:54,698 and I realize he doesn't have anybody with him. 365 00:18:54,742 --> 00:18:56,265 He's by himself clearing this building. 366 00:18:56,309 --> 00:18:58,180 And I hear him, he kicks the door, 367 00:18:58,224 --> 00:19:00,095 starts giving commands. I run up there. 368 00:19:00,139 --> 00:19:02,010 Probably a foolish thing to do 369 00:19:02,053 --> 00:19:03,577 because I expose myself to fire from the house. 370 00:19:03,620 --> 00:19:05,405 But I thought, I've gotta get up there. 371 00:19:05,448 --> 00:19:07,146 - You weren't gonna let him go by himself. 372 00:19:07,189 --> 00:19:09,148 - Precisely. So we both go up there. 373 00:19:09,191 --> 00:19:11,585 We both go in the building and we're yelling at this person 374 00:19:11,628 --> 00:19:14,849 that's on this table to get down on the ground, 375 00:19:14,892 --> 00:19:16,851 to follow commands. We're the FBI, 376 00:19:16,894 --> 00:19:18,505 we announce who we are over and over. 377 00:19:18,548 --> 00:19:19,984 Nothing. 378 00:19:20,028 --> 00:19:22,204 I go up to him, grab him, 379 00:19:22,248 --> 00:19:24,728 I look, realize he's not moving. Dead. 380 00:19:26,165 --> 00:19:27,601 Look into his eyes. 381 00:19:27,644 --> 00:19:28,906 They're black holes almost. 382 00:19:28,950 --> 00:19:30,256 Been dead three or four days, 383 00:19:30,299 --> 00:19:31,909 it looked like. 384 00:19:31,953 --> 00:19:34,042 And then we radio the TOC. "We have a crime scene 385 00:19:34,085 --> 00:19:36,000 here in the shed. There's a corpse." 386 00:19:36,044 --> 00:19:39,526 I describe, he looked like about 10 to 12 years old. 387 00:19:39,569 --> 00:19:41,049 It's a child. Yeah. - A child. 388 00:19:42,398 --> 00:19:44,095 Body's cold, lifeless. 389 00:19:44,139 --> 00:19:46,837 He was naked to his underwear. 390 00:19:46,881 --> 00:19:49,013 He had been cleaned because I could tell 391 00:19:49,057 --> 00:19:51,277 he had wounds. We unwrapped him. 392 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:53,757 He was wrapped in a shower curtain. 393 00:19:53,801 --> 00:19:56,195 White shower curtain. So I unwrap the body. 394 00:19:56,238 --> 00:19:58,545 And I looked at his wounds. I lifted his arms. 395 00:19:58,588 --> 00:20:02,723 His right arm was shredded, because in my mind, 396 00:20:02,766 --> 00:20:04,942 it appeared to me that he was shot 397 00:20:04,986 --> 00:20:07,075 while holding something like a rifle, 398 00:20:07,118 --> 00:20:09,773 the bullet had entered here in his right arm 399 00:20:09,817 --> 00:20:12,472 and shredded his whole arm, the flesh hanging out 400 00:20:12,515 --> 00:20:14,778 and he had been cleaned up by the family, 401 00:20:14,822 --> 00:20:16,780 I think, probably for burial or something. 402 00:20:16,824 --> 00:20:19,261 And he had another wound here in the back, 403 00:20:19,305 --> 00:20:21,089 and the exit wound. So I think he probably 404 00:20:21,132 --> 00:20:22,917 got spun around when he got shot. 405 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,485 - What rushed across to you at that point? 406 00:20:25,528 --> 00:20:27,574 - That we needed to slow this train. 407 00:20:27,617 --> 00:20:29,402 We need to stop this train. 408 00:20:29,445 --> 00:20:32,753 Figure out what we have here, because we have an unidentified 409 00:20:32,796 --> 00:20:34,363 deceased individual. 410 00:20:34,407 --> 00:20:36,539 And I started going through my mind, 411 00:20:36,583 --> 00:20:39,194 who all was in there on this compound 412 00:20:39,238 --> 00:20:41,457 that this could be? And it hit me that it was maybe 413 00:20:41,501 --> 00:20:43,764 Sammy, the kid, the son. 414 00:20:43,807 --> 00:20:45,853 [soft ominous music] 415 00:21:02,565 --> 00:21:05,002 I'm thinking this is worse than we thought. 416 00:21:05,046 --> 00:21:06,917 It was a really, really bad... 417 00:21:08,136 --> 00:21:10,747 Now it's really way worse. 418 00:21:10,791 --> 00:21:12,662 [soft music] 419 00:21:16,057 --> 00:21:19,147 The family was grief-stricken. And so, I felt for them, 420 00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:21,845 I felt horrible for them, a tremendous loss. 421 00:21:22,455 --> 00:21:25,458 Parents, there's no telling the amount of grief 422 00:21:25,501 --> 00:21:29,766 you go through when you lose a child before your death. 423 00:21:29,810 --> 00:21:32,508 So I thought, well, how is this going to affect 424 00:21:32,552 --> 00:21:34,554 these people mentally, and what are they thinking 425 00:21:34,597 --> 00:21:38,645 inside there? Are they now just going to say, 426 00:21:38,688 --> 00:21:41,082 to heck with it, and kill us all? 427 00:21:48,045 --> 00:21:50,831 [narrator]: Next time, on FBI True. 428 00:21:50,874 --> 00:21:53,355 - You know, he's putting suppression fire down 429 00:21:53,399 --> 00:21:56,358 and ends up killing Sammy. 430 00:21:57,664 --> 00:22:00,623 - It's beginning to get more and more aggressive. 431 00:22:00,667 --> 00:22:02,756 Now, you have not only a threat from within, 432 00:22:02,799 --> 00:22:04,453 but you have an outer perimeter threat. 433 00:22:04,497 --> 00:22:07,413 And it's really a perimeter that you cannot contain. 434 00:22:07,456 --> 00:22:09,023 [man]: We're going to war! 435 00:22:09,066 --> 00:22:10,938 [tense music] 436 00:22:10,981 --> 00:22:12,331 - Never! 437 00:22:12,374 --> 00:22:13,897 - But when I get through that door, 438 00:22:13,941 --> 00:22:16,378 I'm not stopping 'til I get to the opposite wall, 439 00:22:16,422 --> 00:22:19,207 because I'm going home when this is over with. 440 00:22:21,688 --> 00:22:24,560 So if that little girl is standing there 441 00:22:24,604 --> 00:22:26,562 with a long weapon pointed at me, 442 00:22:26,606 --> 00:22:28,825 I mean, you got to do what you got to do. 443 00:22:34,831 --> 00:22:37,225 [tense music] 444 00:22:37,268 --> 00:22:40,141 Subtitling: difuze