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- There are no new clues
tonight in a case

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that has police baffled

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and an entire
community wondering

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if a killer is on the loose.

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- I was called in by
our special agent in charge

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and sent down to Yosemite

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because three women
went missing.

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I had a hiker bring me in
a license plate of a car.

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And that license plate matches
the car you're looking for.

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- The paint had
rolled off the car.

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All the tires
had burned and melted.

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Everything was gone.

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- At this point, hair must be
going up on everyone's neck.

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The FBI knows we have
a murderer on the loose.

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- And then four months later,
another missing woman

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from Yosemite National Park.

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- And then he said,
"I cut her head off."

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- Wow.

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- And I said, you know,

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"What do you mean,
you cut her head off?"

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But then he says,
"And there's more."

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- In the FBI,
we make a lot of headlines.

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[dramatic music]

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Drug busts,

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mob stings,

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terrorist takedowns.

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- Get down! Get down!

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- We understand why people
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- Mark it.

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- Freeze!
- FBI.

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- FBI!
- Action!

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- But they don't know
the half of it.

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[indistinct radio chatter]

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What really goes down,

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we save that for each other

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when we're talking
agent to agent.

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This is "FBI True."

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[ominous music]

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♪

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- Kristy Kottis is
a 24-year veteran of the FBI.

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She worked gangs,
crimes against children,

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as well as human
and drug trafficking.

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Kottis was the supervisor

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of the FBI's
threat response squad

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overseeing
the Bureau's response

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to terrorism threats
in New York City.

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- So, Jeff, I want to talk

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about the Yosemite
serial killer case.

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I know that you had a lot
of participation in that.

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- Right.
- Take me into that.

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How does the FBI get
involved in that case?

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- I was called in
by our special agent in charge

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and advised that I was going
to be sent down to Yosemite

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because Carole Sund,
her daughter, Juli Sund,

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and their friend
from Argentina,

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Silvina Pelosso, went missing.

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- Jeffrey Rinek is
a certified criminal profiler

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who worked at the FBI
for 30 years

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on cases involving
crimes against children,

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sexual assault, violent crime,
and serial homicide.

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In 1999,
Rinek was a special agent

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at the FBI's
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- So let me understand this.

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Why were Carole,
Juli, and Silvina

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in the Yosemite area?

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- Their game plan was to see
a school in Stockton called

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the University of the Pacific

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and check it out
for Juli to attend there.

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And when they got done,
they were going

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to go to see Yosemite.

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There's a town
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which borders Yosemite.

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It's actually 7 miles
from the Yosemite gate.

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There's several lodges
that are down there

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to accommodate visitors
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to travel to see Yosemite.

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And what we learned was that
they drove down to El Portal

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and stayed at the Cedar Lodge.

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That was the last day
they were seen alive.

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- Close to a thousand friends,
supporters, and family

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of three missing women marched

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in downtown
Modesto, California today.

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- This mysterious disappearance
is a clear evidence

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of how vulnerable a mother
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can be in this society.

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- We hold hope that someone
will come forward soon

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and lead us to them.

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- It was the biggest search
and rescue effort in Yosemite

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in California history.

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- Check both sides in case
something has blown...

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- It was so extensive they
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up and down Yosemite,
looking for anything

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that could give
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And the search and rescue
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on horse everywhere.

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it's February, so it's cold.

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that they had had
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or driven off a cliff,
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- So who do you decide
to go to first, family?

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- The first person
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was Carole's husband.

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I mean, we didn't think
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the next thing we want
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who were the last people
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So they bring in a employee
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And in his belongings,
his locker, his van,

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it was full
of this dark red stuff

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that looked like dried blood.

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And the presumptive test
came back positive.

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So what we learned
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when it comes back positive,

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it doesn't necessarily mean
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It means it's got oxygen in it.

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And the lab came back
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It was just rust.

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- A California mother
and two teens

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disappeared last month
in a case

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that has an entire
community wondering

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if a killer is on the loose.

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- After they'd been missing
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the California Highway Patrol
contacts our office.

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And he says to him,
I had a hiker bring me in

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a license plate of a car.

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And that license plate matches
the car you're looking for.

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But the car's been
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The car was
completely burned out.

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The paint had
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All the tires
had burned and melted.

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Everything was gone.

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Now, they found in the trunk
two sets of skeletal remains.

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And one turned out
to be Carole.

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And the other skeletal
remains were...

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it turned out to be Silvina,
but we're missing Juli.

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And we think she's alive.

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And we think that her survival
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- So you've identified
the two in the trunk.

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Investigation now
is all assets looking for Juli.

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- About a week later,

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the Modesto
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receives a letter.

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And when he opens it,
it's a picture of a map.

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And on the top of it,

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it says,
"We had fun with this one."

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So we brought up a dog from LA.

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And based on the map,
the dog located Juli's remains,

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like, within seconds.

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- And what was the state
of her remains?

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- Her remains were
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called Don Pedro Reservoir,
and her body was located

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at the bottom of a hill.

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And it had been
covered up by brush.

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And they found
that Juli had been killed

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through a cut to her neck.

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- The victims have
finally been buried,

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and investigators
are now plowing

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through all their leads.

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- I don't know how to explain
the intense emotional drive

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when you think you have
a victim who's alive,

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and their survival
is based on you finding them.

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There was nothing
we wouldn't have done.

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That summer, about four months
after Carole and the girls,

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there's
a missing person reported

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from Yosemite National Park.

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Her name was Joie Armstrong.

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She was in her mid 20s.

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And she was part
of a park program

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to live in a cabin
in a meadow with others

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who had the same arrangement.

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And they would teach nature
in Yosemite.

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- Now,
who reported her missing?

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And how did she come up
on law enforcement's radar

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as a missing person, period?

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- Joie planned to go
to the Central California coast

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to meet friends.

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They were going
to camp out on the beach

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and do what friends do.

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She didn't show up.

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And when she didn't show up,
her friends called back

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to the park service
and told them

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that Joie did not show up and
they were concerned about her.

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At that point,
a park service ranger

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did a welfare check
on Joie's cabin.

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When he first drives down it,
he sensed something was wrong.

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And so they start
an investigation.

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And within a few hours,

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they discovered Joie's body

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in a nearby creek.

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And her body had been pushed up
into some weeds and covered.

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She had been beheaded.

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- Wow.

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- About 30 feet away,

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they were able
to recover her head.

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So they know they're dealing
with an abduction and a murder.

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- What happens next, Jeff?

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- You start looking at who
they're supposed to be with.

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And what they discovered
in this instance was

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that on the day
that Joie went missing,

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there was a person coming up
a road from where

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Joie's cabin was located.

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The person was driving

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a light blue
International Harvester truck.

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And he had a flat tire,
and he needed help.

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So a passing park ranger
helped him out,

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and his name was Cary Stayner.

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Everybody sort of
remembered that name

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because Cary Stayner's
brother was named Steven.

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And in 1973,
Steven was abducted,

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and the nation
was fixated on it.

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- In 1980,
Steven Stayner became famous

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as the victim
of a high-profile crime.

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He escaped
from a child molester

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who'd held him captive
for seven years.

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- And so Cary
was his older brother.

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- I didn't like
what was happening.

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- What happens next is they're
now looking at Cary Stayner

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as if he's a good suspect.

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They start conducting
investigations,

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see where he lives.

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And they determine that
he lives at the Cedar Lodge...

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♪

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Where Carole,
Juli, and Silvina

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were abducted and murdered.

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- So, at this point,

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hair must be going up
on everyone's neck.

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- Oh, yeah,
and so now they start

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looking very heavily
at this guy.

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And when they start conducting
the forensic examination,

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in front of Joie's cabin,
there were prints.

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There were prints
of another car,

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prints of sandals.

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And the evidence technicians
from the FBI

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in Sacramento came down.

261
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And through their photography,
which was remarkable,

262
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enabled the analysts
to determine

263
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that they had tire tracks
and sandal tracks

264
00:13:05,088 --> 00:13:08,788
in front of Joie's cabin
that matched the tire tracks

265
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from Cary Stayner's vehicle,
and that the sandal tracks

266
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matched the chevrons
on Cary Stayner's sandals.

267
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- In front of Joie's cabin.
- In front of Joie's cabin.

268
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- Are we looking
for him at this point?

269
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- They are looking
for him at this point.

270
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♪

271
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[ominous music]

272
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- On Saturday morning,
an individual

273
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from a nudist colony
named the Laguna Del Sol,

274
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just south of Sacramento,
called in to say

275
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that Cary Stayner was there.

276
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♪

277
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I was the first one to arrive.

278
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And the manager
of Laguna Del Sol

279
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was waiting for me
at the entrance.

280
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And he was fired up because
he said that Cary was clothed.

281
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And he thought that meant
he was hiding a weapon.

282
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And when Cary Stayner became
aware of our presence,

283
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he immediately stood up
and put his hands

284
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on top of his head
like he was...

285
00:14:09,761 --> 00:14:11,067
- And what are you thinking
at this point?

286
00:14:11,111 --> 00:14:12,895
- Not normal behavior
for a citizen.

287
00:14:12,939 --> 00:14:14,941
- Absolutely not.

288
00:14:14,984 --> 00:14:16,899
- So we're like, what in
the wide, wide world of sports

289
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is this guy doing?

290
00:14:18,509 --> 00:14:21,164
And then I said, if you would,
I'd be more than happy

291
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to give you a ride
back to our office

292
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and then bring you back here
when you're done.

293
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And he said, "That's fine.
That's OK."

294
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♪

295
00:14:31,653 --> 00:14:33,915
- So as you're rolling
back to the office,

296
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is Cary chatting with you,
is he quiet?

297
00:14:35,613 --> 00:14:37,267
Does he want to talk
about the weather?

298
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Like, what's happening
in the car?

299
00:14:39,443 --> 00:14:41,271
- I told him I knew
who his brother was,

300
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and could I ask him
about his brother.

301
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And he said I could.

302
00:14:46,450 --> 00:14:48,278
And I explained to him
that that's what I did.

303
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That was the work I did,
dealing with abducted,

304
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murdered,
sexually assaulted children.

305
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And I had also experienced
the pain of these cases,

306
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not only on the victim,
but on the victims' families.

307
00:15:01,857 --> 00:15:04,773
And I said,
"How are you doing with that?

308
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How is your family
doing with that?"

309
00:15:07,602 --> 00:15:09,604
And he became emotional.

310
00:15:09,647 --> 00:15:12,259
And he said Steven
was never the same.

311
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And Steven began
living a life of risk.

312
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And it finally ended when
he was riding a motorcycle...

313
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he was 22 years old...
where he was killed.

314
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And this really broke him up.

315
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The best way I can
explain it to you,

316
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Kris, is that he knew somehow

317
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that I understood how he felt
and how his family felt.

318
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♪

319
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- So, Jeff, at this point,
you've brought Cary Stayner

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into the FBI building.

321
00:15:48,382 --> 00:15:51,689
- Right, and we sat him
in a interview room

322
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outside the security area
of our office.

323
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We left them there.

324
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And then, eventually,
without real direction

325
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or knowing what we
were going to do

326
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and trying to figure out
what we could do,

327
00:16:01,786 --> 00:16:04,311
Cary looked at me and said,
"I want to see Jeff alone."

328
00:16:04,354 --> 00:16:05,834
- Wow.

329
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♪

330
00:16:08,010 --> 00:16:09,533
At this point,
are you a little nervous?

331
00:16:09,577 --> 00:16:11,144
Because someone says,
"I want to see you alone,"

332
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you know, FBI policy,
you always have

333
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to have two agents there.

334
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What are you thinking?

335
00:16:15,452 --> 00:16:16,976
- I'm scared shitless
because when I went back in

336
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after he asked to see me alone,

337
00:16:18,890 --> 00:16:21,415
he was sitting in a very
hunched over position,

338
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looking in the corner
of the room.

339
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And he said to me,
"Jeff, I've done bad things.

340
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I've done really bad things.
And I'm not proud of it."

341
00:16:28,988 --> 00:16:30,032
- So let me ask you a question.

342
00:16:30,076 --> 00:16:31,120
At that point,
were you thinking,

343
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OK, he's manipulative?

344
00:16:32,904 --> 00:16:35,124
- At this point,
I'm thinking he's testing me.

345
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And I said, "Cary,
good people do bad things.

346
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"It doesn't mean
they're bad people.

347
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Let's talk about it."

348
00:16:40,651 --> 00:16:45,439
At that point,
he made some indications

349
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that he might
have had something to do

350
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with the death of Joie.

351
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♪

352
00:16:52,533 --> 00:16:54,187
- So tell me, how do you start?

353
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- I said to him...

354
00:17:06,851 --> 00:17:11,030
- He starts off saying,
"I was up in Foresta."

355
00:17:24,434 --> 00:17:28,612
- And he said, "I saw
this girl that was going out

356
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and back to her truck
and a cabin."

357
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And I said, "Tell me what
the girl looked like to you."

358
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- And then at one point,
when she turns her back to him,

359
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he pulls the revolver on her.

360
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♪

361
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He says, "Well, when I got her
into the back room,

362
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and I started duct taping her,
she fought and fought."

363
00:18:05,823 --> 00:18:07,912
And this is hard
for me emotionally,

364
00:18:07,956 --> 00:18:10,524
but she wanted to live.

365
00:18:10,567 --> 00:18:12,439
So she started fighting
for her life at that point.

366
00:18:12,482 --> 00:18:14,049
- Yeah.

367
00:18:14,093 --> 00:18:16,660
- And he says that once
he gets her under control,

368
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he walks her out of the cabin.

369
00:18:18,662 --> 00:18:21,100
And then he takes her
back to his truck.

370
00:18:55,786 --> 00:18:58,354
- What's in my mind is,
now we're going through it

371
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from his perspective, but also,

372
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that was the last face
the victim saw.

373
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- Yes.

374
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- After he successfully
took her life,

375
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he calmly went back and parked
his truck and turned it off.

376
00:19:23,074 --> 00:19:24,598
And then he came back to her,

377
00:19:24,641 --> 00:19:27,818
and he said,
"And I cut her head off."

378
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And I said, you know,

379
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"What do you mean,
you cut her head off?"

380
00:19:31,257 --> 00:19:33,650
He goes, "Well, you know,
it seemed like a job.

381
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I just had to do it."

382
00:19:43,530 --> 00:19:45,271
- But then he says,
"And there's more."

383
00:19:45,314 --> 00:19:47,882
- Oh, wow.

384
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- I said,
"Cary, are you talking

385
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about the three women
out of Cedar Lodge?"

386
00:19:53,975 --> 00:19:56,325
And he kind of nods.

387
00:19:56,369 --> 00:19:58,153
So now I'm like, what do you...

388
00:19:58,197 --> 00:20:00,155
- And what does he
tell you at this point?

389
00:20:00,199 --> 00:20:02,070
- You know,
we had a lot of people

390
00:20:02,113 --> 00:20:03,550
coming forward claiming that.

391
00:20:03,593 --> 00:20:06,379
People confess
to things all the time.

392
00:20:06,422 --> 00:20:08,642
I mean, you're a pretender
to the throne.

393
00:20:08,685 --> 00:20:10,600
We've got to figure out
if you are the guy or not.

394
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- Silvina, he eventually
took her back to the bathroom

395
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and strangled her.

396
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- He confessed
to killing Joie Armstrong.

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He confessed in detail
to killing Carole,

398
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to killing Silvina,
to killing Juli.

399
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He also confessed
to burning the car

400
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that contained the bodies
of Carole and Silvina.

401
00:22:17,553 --> 00:22:24,473
♪

402
00:22:39,445 --> 00:22:43,100
- A jury convicted former
motel handyman Cary Stayner

403
00:22:43,144 --> 00:22:46,321
Monday of murdering
three Yosemite National Park

404
00:22:46,365 --> 00:22:48,541
tourists in 1999.

405
00:22:48,584 --> 00:22:51,848
He now could get
the death penalty.

406
00:22:51,892 --> 00:22:53,720
- Do you ever see him again?

407
00:22:53,763 --> 00:22:55,852
- Yes.

408
00:22:55,896 --> 00:22:59,421
I see him again
during the trial.

409
00:22:59,465 --> 00:23:01,031
- And that was it?

410
00:23:01,075 --> 00:23:04,078
- And then I saw him
when he was sentenced to death.

411
00:23:10,084 --> 00:23:12,652
- Well, you did
a fantastic job.

412
00:23:12,695 --> 00:23:15,263
I mean, you got this person
who was clearly troubled

413
00:23:15,306 --> 00:23:19,833
in a very dark way
to feel safe enough with you

414
00:23:19,876 --> 00:23:23,750
to say some of the most hideous
and heinous things

415
00:23:23,793 --> 00:23:26,187
abut himself to you.

416
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:27,797
- I appreciate you saying that.

417
00:23:27,841 --> 00:23:29,495
But then when you think
what it's about,

418
00:23:29,538 --> 00:23:31,627
these four women died,

419
00:23:31,671 --> 00:23:33,499
and the fact
that you're finding something

420
00:23:33,542 --> 00:23:35,414
to be happy about,

421
00:23:35,457 --> 00:23:37,416
I don't know how
to feel about myself.

422
00:23:37,459 --> 00:23:39,461
- No, our job is
to get the evidence.

423
00:23:39,505 --> 00:23:41,245
Our job is to get the facts,

424
00:23:41,289 --> 00:23:44,031
bring forward
the truthful narrative

425
00:23:44,074 --> 00:23:46,120
so that justice can be served.

426
00:23:46,163 --> 00:23:47,600
- So this friend
of mine from the office,

427
00:23:47,643 --> 00:23:50,951
when I was telling him
about this incident, he said,

428
00:23:50,994 --> 00:23:54,520
"As FBI agents, we're
expected to find the truth.

429
00:23:54,563 --> 00:23:56,043
And you did that."

430
00:23:56,086 --> 00:24:03,006
♪

431
00:24:13,930 --> 00:24:16,890
[dramatic music]

432
00:24:16,933 --> 00:24:23,853
♪