1 00:00:02,437 --> 00:00:05,092 - [screaming] 2 00:00:05,135 --> 00:00:07,485 - Cold-blooded murder in front of those kids. 3 00:00:12,273 --> 00:00:15,798 - In the 911 call, Dykes directs law enforcement. 4 00:00:15,841 --> 00:00:17,365 He says he has a hostage. 5 00:00:25,764 --> 00:00:27,288 - If they could get a clear shot on Dykes, 6 00:00:27,331 --> 00:00:29,116 it had to be a kill shot. 7 00:00:29,159 --> 00:00:32,380 - Dykes wasn't getting what he wanted, and time was ticking. 8 00:00:36,514 --> 00:00:38,299 - This guy's already committed a homicide. 9 00:00:38,342 --> 00:00:43,086 I have no reason to think that he wouldn't do it again. 10 00:00:43,130 --> 00:00:46,916 - He has been like a time bomb waiting to go off. 11 00:00:54,489 --> 00:00:56,273 - He was losing patience with Ethan. 12 00:00:56,317 --> 00:00:58,188 That was really concerning as well. 13 00:00:58,232 --> 00:01:00,886 - The Alabama hostage drama is now in its seventh day. 14 00:01:00,930 --> 00:01:03,976 Dykes remains underground with his five-year-old captive. 15 00:01:04,019 --> 00:01:06,283 - Almost a full week into the standoff, 16 00:01:06,327 --> 00:01:08,851 very little has changed. 17 00:01:08,894 --> 00:01:11,245 - I said, Director, no assumption 18 00:01:11,288 --> 00:01:13,377 can be made that Ethan is safe in his custody even one 19 00:01:13,420 --> 00:01:15,118 more minute. 20 00:01:15,162 --> 00:01:18,164 - We put the gear on, weapons checks, explosives. 21 00:01:18,208 --> 00:01:22,256 - And nothing could dislodge him from his insistence 22 00:01:22,299 --> 00:01:24,127 that he was going to tell that story, 23 00:01:24,170 --> 00:01:26,651 or he and Ethan were going to die. 24 00:01:26,695 --> 00:01:31,526 [loud explosion] 25 00:01:31,569 --> 00:01:33,136 [dramatic music] 26 00:01:33,180 --> 00:01:35,878 In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines... 27 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,360 ♪ 28 00:01:39,402 --> 00:01:43,668 drug busts, mob stings, 29 00:01:43,712 --> 00:01:45,453 terrorist takedowns. 30 00:01:45,496 --> 00:01:47,324 - [shouting indistinctly] 31 00:01:47,368 --> 00:01:50,152 - We understand why people want to tell stories about us. 32 00:01:50,197 --> 00:01:51,807 - Mark it. - Freeze! 33 00:01:51,850 --> 00:01:52,982 - FBI. - FBI! 34 00:01:53,025 --> 00:01:54,331 - Action! 35 00:01:54,375 --> 00:01:58,074 - But they don't know the half of it. 36 00:01:58,118 --> 00:02:00,032 What really goes down? 37 00:02:00,076 --> 00:02:02,252 We save that for each other, 38 00:02:02,296 --> 00:02:07,170 when we're talking agent to agent. 39 00:02:07,214 --> 00:02:10,086 This is "FBI True." 40 00:02:14,612 --> 00:02:17,572 [tense music] 41 00:02:17,615 --> 00:02:24,666 ♪ 42 00:02:24,709 --> 00:02:27,234 - We knew the bus driver had been killed 43 00:02:27,277 --> 00:02:29,323 and a kid had been kidnapped. 44 00:02:29,366 --> 00:02:32,326 He says he has a hostage in a bunker that he 45 00:02:32,369 --> 00:02:36,721 had built on his property. 46 00:02:36,765 --> 00:02:38,549 - So from what I understand, 47 00:02:38,593 --> 00:02:40,203 Dykes wants the reporter to come down 48 00:02:40,247 --> 00:02:41,639 so he can tell his story. 49 00:02:41,683 --> 00:02:43,075 - Yes. 50 00:02:43,119 --> 00:02:44,773 - There was no good news about him. 51 00:02:44,816 --> 00:02:47,732 And nothing, as it turned out, could dislodge him 52 00:02:47,776 --> 00:02:52,607 from his insistence that he was going to tell that story 53 00:02:52,650 --> 00:02:56,305 or he and Ethan were going to die. 54 00:02:56,350 --> 00:02:58,134 - What are you figuring out at this point 55 00:02:58,178 --> 00:02:59,962 about Dykes' personality? 56 00:03:00,005 --> 00:03:01,050 - Who is Jim Dykes? 57 00:03:01,093 --> 00:03:02,921 At his core, who is this man? 58 00:03:02,965 --> 00:03:04,575 ♪ 59 00:03:04,619 --> 00:03:07,187 And we figured out a few things, none of it good. 60 00:03:07,230 --> 00:03:08,536 He was very isolated. 61 00:03:08,579 --> 00:03:10,146 He had no friends. 62 00:03:10,190 --> 00:03:12,496 He lost contact with his family. 63 00:03:12,540 --> 00:03:14,542 He even really rejected his identity 64 00:03:14,585 --> 00:03:16,326 as a Southerner, which simply isn't 65 00:03:16,370 --> 00:03:17,632 done if one is a Southerner. 66 00:03:17,675 --> 00:03:20,722 So that was bad, because isolation 67 00:03:20,765 --> 00:03:23,072 is a risk-enhancing factor for violence. 68 00:03:23,115 --> 00:03:25,640 - One neighbor told us Dykes spoke of making 69 00:03:25,683 --> 00:03:27,598 worldwide news someday. 70 00:03:27,642 --> 00:03:29,600 Others said he was often hostile 71 00:03:29,644 --> 00:03:32,341 and convinced the government was out to get him. 72 00:03:32,386 --> 00:03:35,432 But we've learned Dykes is a navy veteran who served 73 00:03:35,476 --> 00:03:38,827 in the late '60s in Japan and California, 74 00:03:38,870 --> 00:03:43,223 where he received awards for good conduct. 75 00:03:43,266 --> 00:03:45,180 - He had a lifelong pattern of low 76 00:03:45,225 --> 00:03:47,052 to no empathy for others, 77 00:03:47,096 --> 00:03:49,359 which was real bad news for Ethan. 78 00:03:49,403 --> 00:03:51,579 There was a story from one of the neighbors 79 00:03:51,622 --> 00:03:55,409 that he had beat her dog to death with a pipe, 80 00:03:55,452 --> 00:03:57,324 because the dog was crossing his property. 81 00:03:57,367 --> 00:03:58,977 And he told her, if it happens again, 82 00:03:59,021 --> 00:04:00,849 I'm going to kill your dog, and he did. 83 00:04:00,892 --> 00:04:05,157 - He killed one of my dogs, and I had animal cruelty people 84 00:04:05,201 --> 00:04:06,985 out then. 85 00:04:07,029 --> 00:04:09,684 And he has... as I said, he's been a source of interest 86 00:04:09,727 --> 00:04:12,600 for a long time, because he has been 87 00:04:12,643 --> 00:04:15,733 like a time bomb waiting to go off. 88 00:04:15,777 --> 00:04:17,430 - So he's been violent in the past? 89 00:04:17,474 --> 00:04:19,259 - He was violent, but he wasn't just violent. 90 00:04:19,302 --> 00:04:21,696 He was a violent promise-keeper. 91 00:04:21,738 --> 00:04:24,525 Dykes saw people's actions or failures 92 00:04:24,568 --> 00:04:29,530 to act as he said they should, as justifying violence. 93 00:04:29,573 --> 00:04:31,836 In other words, please don't make me kill you. 94 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:34,491 Our profile was that he is a violent promise-keeper, 95 00:04:34,534 --> 00:04:39,627 and so we must take him at his word when he says, this is it. 96 00:04:39,670 --> 00:04:40,976 ♪ 97 00:04:41,019 --> 00:04:42,630 He was isolated. He was angry. 98 00:04:42,673 --> 00:04:44,109 He had no empathy. 99 00:04:44,153 --> 00:04:46,503 He saw himself as a lifelong victim 100 00:04:46,547 --> 00:04:47,983 of all kinds of injustices. 101 00:04:48,026 --> 00:04:50,202 In fact, the term injustice collector 102 00:04:50,246 --> 00:04:52,161 is one that we would use to describe 103 00:04:52,204 --> 00:04:53,510 a guy like that... psychologically 104 00:04:53,554 --> 00:04:55,164 brittle, rigid. 105 00:05:14,139 --> 00:05:15,837 - So what are the next steps then? 106 00:05:15,880 --> 00:05:19,014 Obviously, knowing the Bureau, what's on the ground 107 00:05:19,057 --> 00:05:20,842 is reporting back to headquarters. 108 00:05:20,885 --> 00:05:23,105 - There began to be a misconception, 109 00:05:23,148 --> 00:05:26,761 I think, in some quarters that he genuinely cared for Ethan 110 00:05:26,804 --> 00:05:30,242 and at a critical moment would not harm him. 111 00:05:30,286 --> 00:05:32,767 - He's told us that he has an electric heater 112 00:05:32,810 --> 00:05:34,377 and some blankets inside. 113 00:05:34,421 --> 00:05:36,945 He's also allowed us to provide coloring 114 00:05:36,988 --> 00:05:42,429 books, medication, toys. 115 00:05:42,472 --> 00:05:44,953 I want to thank him for taking care of our child. 116 00:05:44,996 --> 00:05:46,998 - And you're going to develop what they call Stockholm 117 00:05:47,042 --> 00:05:50,480 Syndrome, named after a famous bank robbery in Stockholm 118 00:05:50,524 --> 00:05:53,918 where the captor and the captive start to bond. 119 00:05:53,962 --> 00:05:57,400 You can see those signs when Dykes asks for coloring 120 00:05:57,444 --> 00:05:58,880 books, for crayons. 121 00:05:58,923 --> 00:06:01,796 He allows the medication to come in. 122 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,450 He's trying to provide for this boy. 123 00:06:03,493 --> 00:06:07,149 So as time goes on, that bond should increase. 124 00:06:07,192 --> 00:06:08,759 - I didn't think that was true. 125 00:06:08,803 --> 00:06:12,197 He had a whole life pattern of no empathy. 126 00:06:12,241 --> 00:06:15,244 So for him to suddenly empathize with and truly care 127 00:06:15,287 --> 00:06:17,202 for Ethan... in other words, have formed a genuine 128 00:06:17,246 --> 00:06:19,074 emotional attachment... 129 00:06:19,117 --> 00:06:20,945 that would be a deviation from his whole life pattern, 130 00:06:20,989 --> 00:06:22,338 and I didn't think so. 131 00:06:22,382 --> 00:06:24,296 However, here's the hitch. 132 00:06:24,340 --> 00:06:26,473 I didn't think that was true for Ethan... 133 00:06:26,516 --> 00:06:29,432 five years old, under traumatic circumstances, 134 00:06:29,476 --> 00:06:34,176 was now being cared for by this man in the bunker. 135 00:06:34,219 --> 00:06:37,701 So my concern, especially for a five-year-old like Ethan, 136 00:06:37,745 --> 00:06:41,052 was that he was genuinely forming a bond to Jim Dykes. 137 00:06:41,096 --> 00:06:43,228 And in a critical moment like a rescue... 138 00:06:43,272 --> 00:06:44,795 Bill and I talked about this... 139 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:46,188 he might run in the wrong direction. 140 00:06:47,885 --> 00:06:51,759 [ominous music] 141 00:06:51,802 --> 00:06:53,674 - At one point, he told the negotiators 142 00:06:53,717 --> 00:06:57,286 that he had taught Ethan how to detonate that IED. 143 00:06:57,329 --> 00:06:59,244 So if something happened to him... 144 00:06:59,288 --> 00:07:03,553 for instance, we fatally shot him or something like that... 145 00:07:03,597 --> 00:07:05,773 that Ethan would then detonate the IED. 146 00:07:07,514 --> 00:07:09,211 - Now, I don't know that Ethan would have done that, 147 00:07:09,254 --> 00:07:11,735 but the fact that he was teaching Ethan that starting 148 00:07:11,779 --> 00:07:14,346 around day five, losing patience with Ethan, 149 00:07:14,390 --> 00:07:16,392 that was a concern as well, because you're talking about 150 00:07:16,436 --> 00:07:18,089 a five-year-old in a bunker. 151 00:07:18,133 --> 00:07:21,266 His behavior's not likely going to be perfect. 152 00:07:21,310 --> 00:07:23,181 So that was really concerning as well. 153 00:07:23,225 --> 00:07:25,053 - Wow. 154 00:07:25,096 --> 00:07:27,229 - Here at home, negotiations are continuing this evening 155 00:07:27,272 --> 00:07:29,449 with the Alabama man who is holding 156 00:07:29,492 --> 00:07:33,931 a five-year-old boy hostage in an underground tornado bunker. 157 00:07:33,975 --> 00:07:36,194 And Manuel Bojorquez is there. 158 00:07:36,238 --> 00:07:38,457 - People who know the hostage say he has 159 00:07:38,501 --> 00:07:40,590 autism and needs medication. 160 00:07:40,634 --> 00:07:43,114 Scott, they tell me he has never been away 161 00:07:43,158 --> 00:07:46,378 from his mother this long. 162 00:07:46,422 --> 00:07:49,643 - We didn't feel like... based on what Molly was telling us, 163 00:07:49,686 --> 00:07:51,601 what the negotiators were telling us, 164 00:07:51,645 --> 00:07:53,385 we felt less and less confident that 165 00:07:53,429 --> 00:07:55,082 there was going to be some sort of peaceful 166 00:07:55,126 --> 00:07:56,954 resolution [inaudible]. 167 00:07:56,998 --> 00:07:58,042 We needed something else. 168 00:07:58,086 --> 00:07:59,479 We needed an edge. 169 00:07:59,522 --> 00:08:01,959 - We talked to his adult daughters, who were... 170 00:08:02,003 --> 00:08:03,308 wanted nothing to do with it. 171 00:08:03,352 --> 00:08:04,658 They were very fearful of somehow 172 00:08:04,701 --> 00:08:05,833 making the situation worse, 173 00:08:05,876 --> 00:08:08,096 which I can completely understand. 174 00:08:08,139 --> 00:08:10,838 We did eventually secure the cooperation of one 175 00:08:10,881 --> 00:08:14,189 of his adult daughters to come to Midland City 176 00:08:14,232 --> 00:08:15,712 and be willing to speak with him, 177 00:08:15,756 --> 00:08:18,149 which was very heroic on her part. 178 00:08:18,193 --> 00:08:21,239 - They called and informed me that my dad had murdered 179 00:08:21,283 --> 00:08:23,241 somebody and had kidnapped a child 180 00:08:23,285 --> 00:08:25,330 and was down in a bunker. 181 00:08:25,374 --> 00:08:27,681 And I told them, whatever they needed, because I had a... 182 00:08:27,724 --> 00:08:30,161 I have a little boy at the same age. 183 00:08:30,205 --> 00:08:31,815 I was willing to do anything. 184 00:08:31,859 --> 00:08:36,124 - What we'd set up was a call between Dykes 185 00:08:36,167 --> 00:08:38,561 and the daughter. 186 00:08:38,605 --> 00:08:39,519 - And that was really tough. 187 00:08:39,562 --> 00:08:41,999 It was tough on her. 188 00:08:42,043 --> 00:08:43,566 She hadn't seen him in many years. 189 00:08:43,610 --> 00:08:45,829 She was worried about all the same things 190 00:08:45,873 --> 00:08:47,309 that anyone would be worried about. 191 00:08:47,352 --> 00:08:48,876 Will I make this worse? 192 00:08:48,919 --> 00:08:51,748 Will I be able to help in a positive way? 193 00:08:51,792 --> 00:08:55,970 - She would have a computer, and he would have a computer, 194 00:08:56,013 --> 00:08:58,712 and she could see him, and he could see her. 195 00:08:58,755 --> 00:09:00,714 Of course, unbeknownst to him, 196 00:09:00,757 --> 00:09:02,846 I would be able to see what she could see. 197 00:09:02,890 --> 00:09:04,544 And the conditions that had to be met 198 00:09:04,587 --> 00:09:06,371 to make this thing successful was, 199 00:09:06,415 --> 00:09:09,157 Ethan had to be away from the hatch, 200 00:09:09,200 --> 00:09:12,464 and Dykes had to physically be in that space. 201 00:09:12,508 --> 00:09:14,336 And if we could have those two conditions met 202 00:09:14,379 --> 00:09:17,339 at the same time, we would have at least reasonable 203 00:09:17,382 --> 00:09:20,342 odds of a successful rescue. 204 00:09:20,385 --> 00:09:23,824 We rehearsed it using the rehearsal bunker dozens of 205 00:09:23,867 --> 00:09:26,261 times, full-scale rehearsals. 206 00:09:26,304 --> 00:09:30,961 ♪ 207 00:09:31,005 --> 00:09:32,659 We have a plan. 208 00:09:32,702 --> 00:09:35,575 This was the first time that we were called in, I think, 209 00:09:35,618 --> 00:09:39,143 to brief a director on what our plan was. 210 00:09:39,187 --> 00:09:40,884 - So you were on that call, too, Molly, right? 211 00:09:40,928 --> 00:09:43,060 - I was, yeah. - OK. 212 00:09:43,104 --> 00:09:44,627 - It was in the command trailer. 213 00:09:44,671 --> 00:09:46,498 It was like command-post city, all trailers 214 00:09:46,542 --> 00:09:48,631 and mobile vehicles, if you can picture it. 215 00:09:48,675 --> 00:09:49,719 But it was in the command trailer. 216 00:09:49,763 --> 00:09:51,591 It was full house. 217 00:09:51,634 --> 00:09:54,724 - So you guys each had your own part to say. 218 00:09:54,768 --> 00:09:57,379 And what was your feedback? 219 00:09:57,422 --> 00:09:59,903 - It kind of went around the room. 220 00:09:59,947 --> 00:10:03,559 I briefed what we could do, which was this assault that we 221 00:10:03,603 --> 00:10:06,170 think will take this long, and here's our plan, 222 00:10:06,214 --> 00:10:09,086 and we can't guarantee success on this, 223 00:10:09,130 --> 00:10:10,784 but this is what we can do. 224 00:10:10,827 --> 00:10:12,481 And then we went around. 225 00:10:12,524 --> 00:10:13,874 The negotiators, I think, spoke for a little bit. 226 00:10:13,917 --> 00:10:15,876 And we got to Molly. 227 00:10:15,919 --> 00:10:18,879 - I don't remember what I said the first time I spoke. 228 00:10:18,922 --> 00:10:21,621 And I recall Director Mueller saying, well, 229 00:10:21,664 --> 00:10:23,318 in my experience, patience usually 230 00:10:23,361 --> 00:10:25,015 wins the days in these things. 231 00:10:25,059 --> 00:10:28,149 He appears to be treating Ethan relatively well, 232 00:10:28,192 --> 00:10:30,717 so I think we should hold position. 233 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,982 And we started waving at the on scene, pointing at myself, 234 00:10:35,025 --> 00:10:37,767 doing this, and pointing at the speakerphone. 235 00:10:37,811 --> 00:10:39,377 He put me back on the phone. 236 00:10:39,421 --> 00:10:43,773 And I said, Director, there has been a lot 237 00:10:43,817 --> 00:10:48,604 said about Jim Dykes 238 00:10:48,648 --> 00:10:53,391 and the nature of his relationship with Ethan. 239 00:10:53,435 --> 00:10:56,438 His whole life pattern was one devoid of empathy 240 00:10:56,481 --> 00:10:58,222 for other human beings. 241 00:10:58,266 --> 00:11:00,877 For him to break that pattern now and genuinely care 242 00:11:00,921 --> 00:11:03,793 for Ethan, no assumption can be made 243 00:11:03,837 --> 00:11:07,188 that Ethan is safe in his custody even one more minute. 244 00:11:07,231 --> 00:11:09,233 The situation appears to be deteriorating, 245 00:11:09,277 --> 00:11:10,800 and he's losing patience. 246 00:11:10,844 --> 00:11:12,454 I pretty much cut it at that, 247 00:11:12,497 --> 00:11:15,370 and I sat back and hoped that I wasn't going to be fired. 248 00:11:15,413 --> 00:11:18,373 - It was very unusual for us to sort of 249 00:11:18,416 --> 00:11:22,638 be able to speak our mind directly to the director. 250 00:11:22,682 --> 00:11:24,771 And I think it was particularly unusual 251 00:11:24,814 --> 00:11:28,078 for someone to stand up and re-explain to the director 252 00:11:28,122 --> 00:11:30,341 that he wasn't understanding what it was 253 00:11:30,385 --> 00:11:31,865 we were trying to convey. 254 00:11:31,908 --> 00:11:34,432 And she did a pretty darn good job with that. 255 00:11:34,476 --> 00:11:35,825 - I didn't have time to be nervous. 256 00:11:35,869 --> 00:11:39,046 I was so alarmed for Ethan's safety, 257 00:11:39,089 --> 00:11:40,612 and I thought I had the knowledge, 258 00:11:40,656 --> 00:11:41,962 so I knew I had to speak up. 259 00:11:42,005 --> 00:11:43,180 And there was nothing else on my mind. 260 00:11:43,224 --> 00:11:44,616 - You did your job. 261 00:11:44,660 --> 00:11:45,966 - I did what I thought had to be done. 262 00:11:46,009 --> 00:11:47,794 I didn't think about anything else. 263 00:11:47,837 --> 00:11:49,621 And I just sat there and waited. 264 00:11:49,665 --> 00:11:51,319 And it felt like an eternity. 265 00:11:51,362 --> 00:11:53,625 I don't know how long it was, but he changed his mind. 266 00:11:53,669 --> 00:11:55,192 ♪ 267 00:11:55,236 --> 00:11:56,585 - That's awesome. 268 00:11:56,628 --> 00:12:00,110 - And then he used the words "rolling green." 269 00:12:00,154 --> 00:12:02,373 I didn't know what that meant, but I could guess. 270 00:12:02,417 --> 00:12:04,027 - A rolling green means, basically, 271 00:12:04,071 --> 00:12:07,378 we have authority to execute. 272 00:12:07,422 --> 00:12:09,250 - I left that meeting with the director 273 00:12:09,293 --> 00:12:10,425 in the command trailer and just... 274 00:12:10,468 --> 00:12:12,383 there was no place for me. 275 00:12:12,427 --> 00:12:15,952 I was sitting in this quiet little room in Destiny Church 276 00:12:15,996 --> 00:12:18,433 all by myself, really ruminating. 277 00:12:18,476 --> 00:12:21,349 I was starting to think things like, 278 00:12:21,392 --> 00:12:23,046 I know there's going to be assault at some point 279 00:12:23,090 --> 00:12:26,223 if an operator gets killed. 280 00:12:26,267 --> 00:12:27,834 Am I the one who made that happen? 281 00:12:27,877 --> 00:12:28,922 I'm not, of course. 282 00:12:28,965 --> 00:12:30,445 Jim Dykes made it happen. 283 00:12:30,488 --> 00:12:33,056 But I mean, am I the one that did that? 284 00:12:35,885 --> 00:12:38,714 - The Alabama hostage drama's now in its seventh day. 285 00:12:38,758 --> 00:12:41,804 Dykes remains underground with his five-year-old captive. 286 00:12:41,848 --> 00:12:44,894 Manuel Bojorquez is in Midland City, Alabama. 287 00:12:44,938 --> 00:12:46,504 - Good morning, Charlie and Norah. 288 00:12:46,548 --> 00:12:49,246 Police tell us they still have an open line 289 00:12:49,290 --> 00:12:50,987 of communication with Dykes. 290 00:12:51,031 --> 00:12:53,773 But almost a full week into the standoff, 291 00:12:53,816 --> 00:12:57,167 very little has changed. 292 00:12:57,211 --> 00:13:00,518 - So we put the gear on, did the final checks, 293 00:13:00,562 --> 00:13:03,826 radio checks, weapons checks, explosives, 294 00:13:03,870 --> 00:13:05,132 and we got into position. 295 00:13:05,175 --> 00:13:11,834 ♪ 296 00:13:11,878 --> 00:13:14,532 - The daughter, we always hoped that that conversation 297 00:13:14,576 --> 00:13:16,099 would happen and would be beneficial. 298 00:13:16,143 --> 00:13:17,318 - Yep. - And ultimately she was never 299 00:13:17,361 --> 00:13:19,102 able to talk with her father. 300 00:13:19,146 --> 00:13:20,321 - The first part of that assault 301 00:13:20,364 --> 00:13:22,671 was to deliver toys to Ethan. 302 00:13:22,714 --> 00:13:24,107 ♪ 303 00:13:24,151 --> 00:13:26,196 So we brought up the toys. 304 00:13:26,240 --> 00:13:29,591 The deputy brought them up like always, yelled at Dykes. 305 00:13:29,634 --> 00:13:31,506 Hey, I'm here. I've got Ethan's medicines. 306 00:13:31,549 --> 00:13:32,855 I've got his toys. 307 00:13:32,899 --> 00:13:36,032 Dykes undid the lid just a couple of inches, 308 00:13:36,076 --> 00:13:39,165 so he could slide them in and slid those in. 309 00:13:39,209 --> 00:13:41,646 But unbeknownst to Dykes, while we're doing that, 310 00:13:41,690 --> 00:13:44,867 the breaches are setting their charges. 311 00:13:44,911 --> 00:13:49,219 Second thing we did, we had visual on Ethan, where he was. 312 00:13:49,263 --> 00:13:51,482 He was actually where he was supposed to be, as far away 313 00:13:51,526 --> 00:13:54,921 from the hatch as he could. 314 00:13:54,964 --> 00:13:57,880 Right, so that was the first condition we had to meet. 315 00:13:57,924 --> 00:13:59,795 The second condition was, we wanted to lure 316 00:13:59,839 --> 00:14:01,275 Dykes up into the access tube. 317 00:14:04,539 --> 00:14:08,586 We lowered the computer monitor just low enough to where he 318 00:14:08,630 --> 00:14:11,285 would have to come out and reach up to get it 319 00:14:11,328 --> 00:14:13,853 but not so high that it would kind of tip our hand that it 320 00:14:13,896 --> 00:14:16,029 was a trick or something like that, 'cause he's pretty smart 321 00:14:16,072 --> 00:14:17,726 that way. 322 00:14:17,769 --> 00:14:19,380 So I think we lowered about 3 and 1/2 feet, 323 00:14:19,423 --> 00:14:20,990 so he would have to stretch to reach it. 324 00:14:21,034 --> 00:14:22,731 - Mm-hmm. 325 00:14:22,774 --> 00:14:25,734 - We lower the laptop in there, and first thing we hear 326 00:14:25,777 --> 00:14:28,041 is Dykes yelling for more slack. 327 00:14:28,084 --> 00:14:30,217 He says, I need more slack; I need more slack. 328 00:14:30,260 --> 00:14:32,523 The deputy yells back, that's all we got. 329 00:14:32,567 --> 00:14:34,308 That's all the cable we got. 330 00:14:34,351 --> 00:14:37,441 And I can see a hand reaching up to grab for the computer. 331 00:14:37,485 --> 00:14:40,531 And at that point, I signal the breacher 332 00:14:40,575 --> 00:14:43,752 with a slap to his shoulder, and he executes the charge. 333 00:14:46,320 --> 00:14:48,844 [loud explosion] 334 00:14:48,888 --> 00:14:50,063 The charge goes boom. 335 00:14:50,106 --> 00:14:51,629 Our guys run up. 336 00:14:51,673 --> 00:14:54,197 They peel back what's left of the hatch. 337 00:14:54,241 --> 00:14:57,853 Our number one guy, just as rehearsed, 338 00:14:57,897 --> 00:15:00,116 goes down in the hatch with an access bar 339 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:02,727 that we had developed to lower himself down a little bit, 340 00:15:02,771 --> 00:15:04,251 gets in pretty quick. 341 00:15:04,294 --> 00:15:06,427 Number two guy goes in right behind him, 342 00:15:06,470 --> 00:15:08,820 and he's stuck, right? 343 00:15:08,864 --> 00:15:10,910 Number two guy doesn't disappear in the hatch 344 00:15:10,953 --> 00:15:12,781 like he's supposed to. 345 00:15:12,824 --> 00:15:16,437 Unbeknownst to us, Dykes had a separate trap down lower 346 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:18,743 in the hatch. 347 00:15:18,787 --> 00:15:22,356 It was probably about six feet down, halfway down, 348 00:15:22,399 --> 00:15:23,879 and it was just a man trap. 349 00:15:23,923 --> 00:15:25,533 It was another set of cables that we 350 00:15:25,576 --> 00:15:29,450 didn't know about stretched across the access tube. 351 00:15:29,493 --> 00:15:32,844 Dykes starts shooting at the guy who's hung up 352 00:15:32,888 --> 00:15:35,499 in the access tube, probably from a distance of 3, 353 00:15:35,543 --> 00:15:37,240 4 feet, right? 354 00:15:37,284 --> 00:15:38,807 He's shooting blind from around the corner. 355 00:15:38,850 --> 00:15:40,200 [gunshots] 356 00:15:40,243 --> 00:15:41,505 But we pull him out. 357 00:15:44,030 --> 00:15:46,641 I asked the medic to look for holes, look for leaks, 358 00:15:46,684 --> 00:15:48,469 because we're pretty sure he's been shot. 359 00:15:48,512 --> 00:15:50,862 And at that point, we're pretty fucked. 360 00:15:54,910 --> 00:15:57,130 - We run the risk of losing momentum. 361 00:15:57,173 --> 00:15:59,959 We tried to get a dog in there, but poor Ella, 362 00:16:00,002 --> 00:16:02,265 who's a shepherd, a black shepherd, 363 00:16:02,309 --> 00:16:03,919 she wasn't having anything of it either. 364 00:16:03,963 --> 00:16:05,790 She couldn't get through the obstruction. 365 00:16:05,834 --> 00:16:07,183 There was bullets flying out. 366 00:16:07,227 --> 00:16:08,924 [gunshots] 367 00:16:08,968 --> 00:16:10,926 We're tossing in flashbang grenades, 368 00:16:10,970 --> 00:16:14,147 which make a lot of smoke, a lot of noise, a lot of flash... 369 00:16:14,190 --> 00:16:16,758 anything we can do to keep his attention focused on us 370 00:16:16,801 --> 00:16:17,715 and away from Ethan. 371 00:16:17,759 --> 00:16:20,588 ♪ 372 00:16:20,631 --> 00:16:23,286 We hear this loud boom behind us, explosion behind us. 373 00:16:23,330 --> 00:16:25,636 [loud explosion] 374 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,334 And the shots kind of stop. 375 00:16:27,377 --> 00:16:31,033 What Dykes has done, he's moved into the IED mode. 376 00:16:31,077 --> 00:16:34,384 Papers, smoke, all kinds of particulate matter 377 00:16:34,428 --> 00:16:38,084 just comes flying out at us as that explosion's going off. 378 00:16:38,127 --> 00:16:40,477 And about that time, the same number one guy 379 00:16:40,521 --> 00:16:43,915 that we had pulled out... and he just drops into the hatch, 380 00:16:43,959 --> 00:16:47,006 into the smoke, the debris, all that, 381 00:16:47,049 --> 00:16:49,356 drops 12 feet straight down. 382 00:16:52,620 --> 00:16:54,491 Complete smoke and darkness. 383 00:16:54,535 --> 00:16:58,060 Unfortunately for him, he's got his handgun in his hand, 384 00:16:58,104 --> 00:17:01,411 right, which literally hits his arm on the way in, 385 00:17:01,455 --> 00:17:03,152 knocks the pistol loose from his hand. 386 00:17:03,196 --> 00:17:04,935 So... - Ah, shit. 387 00:17:04,980 --> 00:17:08,375 - ...he hits the ground, and he is literally unarmed, 388 00:17:08,417 --> 00:17:10,071 can't see anything. 389 00:17:10,116 --> 00:17:12,117 He lunges forward the first time, gets nothing. 390 00:17:12,161 --> 00:17:14,294 A little bit deeper, and he feels 391 00:17:14,337 --> 00:17:16,078 what he knows to be a child. 392 00:17:16,122 --> 00:17:19,299 He has a small child at home. 393 00:17:19,342 --> 00:17:22,563 And he kind of says, hey, I knew what that felt like, so... 394 00:17:22,606 --> 00:17:27,307 ♪ 395 00:17:27,349 --> 00:17:29,613 You know, ten years later, I still get 396 00:17:29,657 --> 00:17:31,789 a little emotional about it, get a little choked up. 397 00:17:31,833 --> 00:17:35,706 ♪ 398 00:17:35,750 --> 00:17:37,621 Let me start again. 399 00:17:37,665 --> 00:17:42,409 So he wraps Ethan up, covers him with his body, 400 00:17:42,452 --> 00:17:44,846 and that gives the number two a chance to get in. 401 00:17:49,242 --> 00:17:52,549 Number two lunges into the darkness, 402 00:17:52,593 --> 00:17:55,422 and he's now hands-on, basically hand-to-hand combat 403 00:17:55,465 --> 00:17:58,512 with Dykes. 404 00:17:58,555 --> 00:18:00,383 They're engaged in this mortal struggle. 405 00:18:00,427 --> 00:18:02,124 He gets one round off with his pistol, 406 00:18:02,168 --> 00:18:03,125 which he had in his hand. 407 00:18:03,169 --> 00:18:04,518 [gunshot] 408 00:18:04,561 --> 00:18:06,998 It's a Glock, so the weapon doesn't cycle. 409 00:18:07,042 --> 00:18:08,522 - Sure. 410 00:18:08,565 --> 00:18:10,089 - He pulls the trigger again, and nothing. 411 00:18:10,132 --> 00:18:11,873 And about that time, the number three guy 412 00:18:11,916 --> 00:18:13,831 is in the fight with a pistol. 413 00:18:13,875 --> 00:18:17,270 And... 414 00:18:17,313 --> 00:18:19,576 that was the definitive end to the situation. 415 00:18:19,620 --> 00:18:21,317 We had a kill shot. 416 00:18:21,361 --> 00:18:26,714 ♪ 417 00:18:26,757 --> 00:18:29,499 Ethan, little Ethan, we extracted him from the hole. 418 00:18:33,677 --> 00:18:36,115 He ended up... had a small scratch on his leg. 419 00:18:36,158 --> 00:18:39,118 That was it, pretty much, so incredible 420 00:18:39,161 --> 00:18:40,467 that he wasn't hurt more. 421 00:18:40,510 --> 00:18:42,164 - Awesome. 422 00:18:42,208 --> 00:18:44,949 I mean, that could have gone sideways so many ways. 423 00:18:44,993 --> 00:18:46,777 - Yeah. 424 00:18:46,821 --> 00:18:49,432 - FBI agents safely recovered the child, who's been held 425 00:18:49,476 --> 00:18:51,869 hostage for nearly a week. 426 00:18:51,913 --> 00:18:56,222 Within the past 24 hours, negotiations deteriorated. 427 00:18:56,265 --> 00:18:59,834 FBI agents, fearing the child was in imminent danger, 428 00:18:59,877 --> 00:19:02,793 entered the bunker and rescued the child. 429 00:19:02,837 --> 00:19:05,144 The child appears physically unharmed 430 00:19:05,187 --> 00:19:08,277 and is being treated at a local hospital. 431 00:19:08,321 --> 00:19:10,366 The subject is deceased. 432 00:19:10,410 --> 00:19:17,330 ♪ 433 00:19:20,594 --> 00:19:23,379 - This is probably the scariest photo of all. 434 00:19:23,423 --> 00:19:27,166 Each one of those tape marks is a round impact. 435 00:19:27,209 --> 00:19:28,776 - And your guy was right there... 436 00:19:28,819 --> 00:19:30,604 - Yep. - ...in that area. 437 00:19:30,647 --> 00:19:32,693 - And those impacts are from Dykes shooting up blindly 438 00:19:32,736 --> 00:19:35,261 from around the corner, but he's only literally 439 00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:36,740 3 feet away at the most. 440 00:19:36,784 --> 00:19:38,133 - And he's so lucky. 441 00:19:38,177 --> 00:19:39,700 - And he was hanging literally right there 442 00:19:39,743 --> 00:19:42,398 when these shots are being fired, so grace of God. 443 00:19:42,442 --> 00:19:43,356 Yeah, but... 444 00:19:43,399 --> 00:19:45,053 - Wow. 445 00:19:45,096 --> 00:19:49,971 - Yeah, there's a lot of factors at work there for sure. 446 00:19:50,014 --> 00:19:53,017 - Hundreds gathered Sunday to remember slain bus driver 447 00:19:53,061 --> 00:19:54,715 Charles Poland Jr. 448 00:19:54,758 --> 00:19:57,979 Robby Batchelor is also a school bus driver. 449 00:19:58,022 --> 00:20:02,288 - He laid down his life for the kids on that bus. 450 00:20:02,331 --> 00:20:09,556 ♪ 451 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:12,123 - I mean, I think for me, personally, it was... 452 00:20:12,167 --> 00:20:14,604 it was the pinnacle of my career. 453 00:20:14,648 --> 00:20:18,129 So I think it was just an incredible act of confidence, 454 00:20:18,173 --> 00:20:22,264 I guess, in the team's capabilities and the crisis 455 00:20:22,308 --> 00:20:24,353 negotiators that that was our last hope, 456 00:20:24,397 --> 00:20:26,225 really, for saving Ethan, so... 457 00:20:26,268 --> 00:20:31,273 but yeah, the takeaways is that preparation is everything. 458 00:20:31,317 --> 00:20:33,449 We rehearsed that so many times, 459 00:20:33,493 --> 00:20:36,278 and we were ready for anything to go wrong. 460 00:20:36,322 --> 00:20:37,758 We couldn't predict what was going to go wrong, 461 00:20:37,801 --> 00:20:40,021 but we had the tools we needed when it did. 462 00:20:40,064 --> 00:20:42,153 [gentle music] 463 00:20:42,197 --> 00:20:45,113 - Do either one of you know where Ethan is today? 464 00:20:45,156 --> 00:20:46,854 Is he OK? 465 00:20:46,897 --> 00:20:48,290 - He's doing great. - He is. 466 00:20:48,334 --> 00:20:49,944 I do. 467 00:20:49,987 --> 00:20:52,686 I talked to him probably less than a year ago. 468 00:20:52,729 --> 00:20:57,125 And he is just an amazing kid, has very few memories, 469 00:20:57,168 --> 00:21:00,650 some vague memories of what happened, 470 00:21:00,694 --> 00:21:03,827 but he's forever grateful, super bright, 471 00:21:03,871 --> 00:21:06,352 just well-adjusted kid. 472 00:21:06,395 --> 00:21:08,963 And it makes me feel good. 473 00:21:09,006 --> 00:21:15,926 ♪ 474 00:21:21,758 --> 00:21:24,848 - So does this case bring up feelings ten years later? 475 00:21:24,892 --> 00:21:26,720 - Those guys could have died. 476 00:21:26,763 --> 00:21:28,765 Not a scratch on them. 477 00:21:28,809 --> 00:21:31,638 And Ethan... you know, I'm a parent, 478 00:21:31,681 --> 00:21:34,336 so to know that he's healthy and happy 479 00:21:34,380 --> 00:21:36,904 makes me very emotional. 480 00:21:36,947 --> 00:21:39,123 - What our guys did in the moment 481 00:21:39,167 --> 00:21:41,691 and no regard for their own safety... and it 482 00:21:41,735 --> 00:21:43,476 makes me proud of those guys. 483 00:21:43,519 --> 00:21:46,392 And it definitely makes me emotional thinking about it.