1 00:00:02,959 --> 00:00:05,048 - James Whitey Bulger, one of the most infamous mobsters 2 00:00:05,092 --> 00:00:06,745 of the 20th century. 3 00:00:06,789 --> 00:00:08,486 - I tell you, this case had everything. 4 00:00:08,530 --> 00:00:12,273 There's murder, drugs, international organized crime. 5 00:00:12,316 --> 00:00:15,928 - Whitey Bulger is charged with murdering 19 people. 6 00:00:15,972 --> 00:00:17,974 - He had been on the run for about 15 years. 7 00:00:19,976 --> 00:00:21,586 - Bulger had money. 8 00:00:21,630 --> 00:00:23,110 He had fake IDs. 9 00:00:23,153 --> 00:00:25,199 He had connections. 10 00:00:25,242 --> 00:00:27,984 - The FBI is getting their shit kicked out of them 11 00:00:28,028 --> 00:00:29,986 constantly in the media in Boston. 12 00:00:30,030 --> 00:00:32,336 - I believe that he's on the ten most wanted list 13 00:00:32,380 --> 00:00:35,165 because they're not looking for him, 14 00:00:35,209 --> 00:00:37,124 but they want us to think that they are. 15 00:00:37,167 --> 00:00:40,083 - People truly thought that we didn't wanna find him. 16 00:00:44,522 --> 00:00:46,089 [dramatic music] 17 00:00:46,133 --> 00:00:48,831 - In the FBI, we make a lot of headlines. 18 00:00:48,874 --> 00:00:52,139 ♪ 19 00:00:52,182 --> 00:00:53,792 Drug busts, 20 00:00:53,836 --> 00:00:56,143 mob stings, 21 00:00:56,186 --> 00:00:58,406 terrorist takedowns. 22 00:00:58,449 --> 00:01:00,234 - Get down! Get down! 23 00:01:00,277 --> 00:01:02,932 - We understand why people want to tell stories about us. 24 00:01:02,975 --> 00:01:03,976 - Mark it. 25 00:01:04,019 --> 00:01:05,456 - Freeze! - FBI. 26 00:01:05,500 --> 00:01:07,110 - FBI! - Action! 27 00:01:07,154 --> 00:01:09,112 - But they don't know the half of it. 28 00:01:09,156 --> 00:01:10,679 [indistinct radio chatter] 29 00:01:10,722 --> 00:01:12,724 What really goes down, 30 00:01:12,768 --> 00:01:15,075 we save that for each other 31 00:01:15,118 --> 00:01:17,251 when we're talking agent to agent. 32 00:01:17,294 --> 00:01:19,557 ♪ 33 00:01:19,601 --> 00:01:23,126 This is "FBI True." 34 00:01:27,565 --> 00:01:30,525 [tense music] 35 00:01:30,568 --> 00:01:37,314 ♪ 36 00:01:37,358 --> 00:01:40,970 - Cindy Coppola is a 23-year veteran of the FBI. 37 00:01:41,013 --> 00:01:42,711 She worked on cases that included 38 00:01:42,753 --> 00:01:45,017 organized crime and terrorism 39 00:01:45,061 --> 00:01:47,411 and took part in multinational investigations 40 00:01:47,455 --> 00:01:50,197 into drug trafficking and money laundering. 41 00:01:50,240 --> 00:01:52,634 Coppola finished her career with the Los Angeles Division, 42 00:01:52,676 --> 00:01:55,550 running two offices, supervising investigations 43 00:01:55,593 --> 00:01:58,727 and providing undercover security for special events. 44 00:01:58,770 --> 00:02:02,644 - So you guys didn't know each other before 2009? 45 00:02:02,687 --> 00:02:05,516 How did this come up that you guys were asked 46 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:08,170 to be part of the Whitey Bulger case? 47 00:02:08,215 --> 00:02:10,130 - I got a call from the assistant special agent 48 00:02:10,173 --> 00:02:11,435 in charge of the Boston office. 49 00:02:11,478 --> 00:02:13,176 And she flat-out asked me, she said, 50 00:02:13,220 --> 00:02:15,309 "Would you be interested in a temporary duty assignment 51 00:02:15,352 --> 00:02:18,094 to Boston to try and resolve the Bulger case?" 52 00:02:18,138 --> 00:02:21,663 - A man so dangerous that he joined Osama bin Laden 53 00:02:21,706 --> 00:02:25,101 at the top of the FBI's most wanted list. 54 00:02:25,145 --> 00:02:27,451 - This guy that's been charged with 19 murders, 55 00:02:27,495 --> 00:02:29,366 he had been on the run for about 15 years. 56 00:02:29,410 --> 00:02:32,848 - Tommy MacDonald joined the FBI in 1996 57 00:02:32,891 --> 00:02:35,111 and earned a law degree in 2000. 58 00:02:35,155 --> 00:02:38,680 He worked with the NYPD on the joint bank robbery task force 59 00:02:38,723 --> 00:02:40,812 and violent crime squad in New York City. 60 00:02:40,856 --> 00:02:42,336 He retired as a recruiter 61 00:02:42,379 --> 00:02:44,207 for the bureau's Boston field office. 62 00:02:44,251 --> 00:02:45,600 - And, Phil, what about you? 63 00:02:45,643 --> 00:02:46,817 - I was getting toward the end of my career. 64 00:02:46,862 --> 00:02:48,733 I liked the case. I knew the case. 65 00:02:48,777 --> 00:02:52,041 And I tell you, one of the things I always wanted to do 66 00:02:52,084 --> 00:02:54,826 was arrest an FBI top ten fugitive. 67 00:02:54,870 --> 00:02:57,351 - Phil Torsney worked for the National Park Service 68 00:02:57,394 --> 00:03:00,441 before becoming an FBI agent in 1984. 69 00:03:00,484 --> 00:03:02,094 He served on the SWAT team 70 00:03:02,138 --> 00:03:04,488 and worked on the violent crime squad in Cleveland 71 00:03:04,532 --> 00:03:06,621 before joining the city's newly formed 72 00:03:06,664 --> 00:03:10,581 fugitive task force, where he worked for 25 years. 73 00:03:10,625 --> 00:03:13,193 - After we both got the call, we talked. 74 00:03:13,236 --> 00:03:14,716 I didn't know him before. 75 00:03:14,759 --> 00:03:16,413 He said, "Hey, you know, we're gonna catch this guy. 76 00:03:16,457 --> 00:03:18,241 I'm not going back here just to sit on my ass." 77 00:03:18,285 --> 00:03:20,722 And I'm like, "I'm not either." We knew that. 78 00:03:20,765 --> 00:03:23,942 - I don't think it's common for two, like, violent crime agents 79 00:03:23,986 --> 00:03:26,293 to be plucked out of their field office 80 00:03:26,336 --> 00:03:28,251 and brought to a different city 'cause, you know, 81 00:03:28,295 --> 00:03:30,775 most agents who work fugitives top ten cases, 82 00:03:30,819 --> 00:03:33,778 that's one of 40 or 50 cases on your case roster. 83 00:03:33,822 --> 00:03:35,737 You get pulled in different directions. 84 00:03:35,780 --> 00:03:38,000 This was a great opportunity to come to Boston 85 00:03:38,043 --> 00:03:39,741 and to work one case, 86 00:03:39,784 --> 00:03:41,917 and that was what really excited me about that. 87 00:03:41,960 --> 00:03:43,310 - I could tell talking to MacDonald 88 00:03:43,353 --> 00:03:45,616 that we were gonna be rocking and rolling. 89 00:03:47,488 --> 00:03:49,185 - What was Bulger's background? 90 00:03:49,228 --> 00:03:51,622 What was he known for? - He grew up in South Boston. 91 00:03:51,666 --> 00:03:55,496 Big family. Big Irish-Catholic family. 92 00:03:55,539 --> 00:03:57,237 But he took the criminal road. 93 00:03:59,281 --> 00:04:01,502 He eventually got caught for bank robbery, 94 00:04:01,545 --> 00:04:03,678 goes away to Atlanta, Lewisburg, 95 00:04:03,721 --> 00:04:06,681 as well as other federal prisons, including Alcatraz. 96 00:04:10,337 --> 00:04:13,905 When he gets out, he comes back to South Boston 97 00:04:13,949 --> 00:04:15,516 after a bunch of years in prison, 98 00:04:15,559 --> 00:04:17,692 and he's in the game... 99 00:04:17,735 --> 00:04:19,694 the Irish gang kind of game. 100 00:04:21,565 --> 00:04:23,915 The Winter Hill Gang, Bulger became a member of that. 101 00:04:26,744 --> 00:04:28,920 He hooks up with some other criminals in the area, 102 00:04:28,964 --> 00:04:30,879 and there's a lot of murders. 103 00:04:30,922 --> 00:04:35,362 There's fighting among several Irish mobs and Italian mobs, 104 00:04:35,405 --> 00:04:36,885 and people are getting killed. 105 00:04:36,928 --> 00:04:38,843 And there's a fight on for who's in control 106 00:04:38,887 --> 00:04:41,324 of South Boston. 107 00:04:41,368 --> 00:04:43,761 - Yeah, back in that time, the FBI's main focus 108 00:04:43,805 --> 00:04:45,937 was the Italian mob... 109 00:04:45,981 --> 00:04:49,854 having a source, an informant that can report, 110 00:04:49,898 --> 00:04:52,422 you know, real time on the activities of the Italian mob. 111 00:04:52,466 --> 00:04:53,380 And it was a high priority back then. 112 00:04:53,423 --> 00:04:54,903 - It sure was. 113 00:04:54,946 --> 00:04:57,514 Bulger eventually was approached by an FBI agent 114 00:04:57,558 --> 00:04:59,777 and began to cooperate. 115 00:04:59,821 --> 00:05:03,694 And Bulger, I believe, saw an opportunity. 116 00:05:03,738 --> 00:05:06,349 He could help out his end of things 117 00:05:06,393 --> 00:05:09,221 by helping give information on the Italian mob, 118 00:05:09,265 --> 00:05:12,790 get them out of the picture through the FBI. 119 00:05:12,834 --> 00:05:14,009 You know, he was a smart guy. 120 00:05:14,052 --> 00:05:15,489 He knew how to run this business, 121 00:05:15,532 --> 00:05:17,273 even though it was a criminal business. 122 00:05:17,317 --> 00:05:18,883 So there was a cooperation there, 123 00:05:18,927 --> 00:05:20,450 but it sort of went both ways. 124 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:26,413 John Connolly was the FBI agent for Bulger. 125 00:05:26,456 --> 00:05:28,197 Bulger was influencing 126 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,765 and getting information from Connolly. 127 00:05:30,808 --> 00:05:33,594 And information didn't go like it should have gone. 128 00:05:33,637 --> 00:05:35,335 Didn't turn out well. 129 00:05:35,378 --> 00:05:39,513 - FBI agent John Connolly, assigned to handle Bulger, 130 00:05:39,556 --> 00:05:42,516 eventually went to work for the mob boss. 131 00:05:42,558 --> 00:05:43,952 - Were you ever aware of a case 132 00:05:43,995 --> 00:05:46,607 where there was a murder committed by Whitey Bulger? 133 00:05:46,650 --> 00:05:48,304 Wasn't it your obligation 134 00:05:48,348 --> 00:05:49,566 as a law enforcement officer? - It would be my obligation. 135 00:05:49,610 --> 00:05:51,873 From the very beginning, it's understood. 136 00:05:51,916 --> 00:05:54,397 - Did you ever ask them if they killed anyone? 137 00:05:54,441 --> 00:05:57,095 - Well, why would I do that? He was a source. 138 00:05:57,139 --> 00:05:59,359 - He had worked as an informant for the FBI, 139 00:05:59,402 --> 00:06:02,753 but it was the Massachusetts State Police and the DEA 140 00:06:02,797 --> 00:06:04,712 who were conducting an investigation 141 00:06:04,755 --> 00:06:07,410 in an effort to obtain a federal indictment 142 00:06:07,454 --> 00:06:09,978 for extortion, racketeering, and drug charges. 143 00:06:10,021 --> 00:06:12,720 - Bulger is tipped off by John Connolly 144 00:06:12,763 --> 00:06:13,677 that an indictment... - Oh, shit. 145 00:06:13,721 --> 00:06:14,635 Yeah. - Was coming out. 146 00:06:17,420 --> 00:06:19,944 He knew he'd had to go on the run at some point. 147 00:06:21,729 --> 00:06:22,904 Bulger had money. 148 00:06:22,947 --> 00:06:25,167 He had fake IDs. 149 00:06:25,210 --> 00:06:26,560 He had connections. 150 00:06:26,603 --> 00:06:28,605 And the money's all in cash, 151 00:06:28,649 --> 00:06:30,651 which makes it a lot easier to go on the run. 152 00:06:30,694 --> 00:06:31,869 - He was prepared. 153 00:06:31,913 --> 00:06:33,131 - And all of a sudden, he skips town 154 00:06:33,175 --> 00:06:34,437 once we're going to look to lock him up. 155 00:06:37,745 --> 00:06:39,921 - And eventually, Connolly got caught for that, 156 00:06:39,964 --> 00:06:42,010 the corruption, and that caused 157 00:06:42,053 --> 00:06:43,620 a lot of problems there. 158 00:06:43,664 --> 00:06:46,623 - I am innocent of the malicious charges... 159 00:06:46,667 --> 00:06:49,800 - You throw in an FBI agent who's convicted of corruption 160 00:06:49,844 --> 00:06:53,456 right in federal court in Boston. 161 00:06:53,500 --> 00:06:55,589 You throw that in there, and you got a hot mess. 162 00:06:55,632 --> 00:06:58,287 - Boston FBI office paid for it for a while. 163 00:06:58,330 --> 00:07:01,421 - There was a lot of friction between the DEA 164 00:07:01,464 --> 00:07:02,857 and the state police and the FBI. 165 00:07:02,900 --> 00:07:05,773 - Shame, like a black eye for us unfortunately. 166 00:07:05,816 --> 00:07:08,776 - For the FBI in general, we had to catch this guy, 167 00:07:08,819 --> 00:07:12,649 you know, to show the public that we do our job 168 00:07:12,693 --> 00:07:15,652 and get it done no matter what the problems were in the past. 169 00:07:15,696 --> 00:07:18,176 - It seemed as if Bulger had disappeared 170 00:07:18,220 --> 00:07:19,917 from the face of the Earth 171 00:07:19,961 --> 00:07:23,878 except for the alleged sightings all over the world. 172 00:07:31,276 --> 00:07:34,671 - When I got that phone call in 2009 from Noreen Gleason, 173 00:07:34,715 --> 00:07:36,499 who was the assistant special agent 174 00:07:36,543 --> 00:07:37,848 in charge of the Boston office, 175 00:07:37,892 --> 00:07:39,284 you know, the logical question was, 176 00:07:39,328 --> 00:07:40,590 "How long am I gonna be 177 00:07:40,634 --> 00:07:42,026 on temporary assignment to Boston?" 178 00:07:42,070 --> 00:07:43,637 She said, "We'll give you three years 179 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:46,422 unless you catch him before that." 180 00:07:46,466 --> 00:07:50,948 - Doing a case like this is almost like a cold case. 181 00:07:50,992 --> 00:07:52,472 I mean, so what were your first steps? 182 00:07:52,515 --> 00:07:54,125 You guys get up there, and what did you do? 183 00:07:54,169 --> 00:07:55,823 What was your game plan? - Oh. 184 00:07:55,866 --> 00:07:57,738 I think Boston was really fatigued when we got there. 185 00:07:57,781 --> 00:07:59,609 I mean, there was no more task force in place, 186 00:07:59,653 --> 00:08:02,873 so they were looking to redesign the FBI's approach 187 00:08:02,917 --> 00:08:03,831 to working the case. 188 00:08:08,531 --> 00:08:09,924 - Good afternoon, everyone. 189 00:08:09,967 --> 00:08:13,971 Just briefly, we have a dedicated task force 190 00:08:14,015 --> 00:08:18,193 solely to look for James Bulger. 191 00:08:18,236 --> 00:08:21,109 Its mission is to locate and apprehend Bulger 192 00:08:21,152 --> 00:08:25,548 and as well as seeking anyone who harbors, aids, 193 00:08:25,592 --> 00:08:28,551 or abets his continuing to be a fugitive. 194 00:08:28,595 --> 00:08:31,815 - Bulger skipped town in December of '94. 195 00:08:31,859 --> 00:08:34,121 He was indicted for extortion. 196 00:08:34,164 --> 00:08:36,472 It wasn't until they got cooperation 197 00:08:36,515 --> 00:08:39,562 from that investigation that they superseded the indictment 198 00:08:39,606 --> 00:08:41,346 and he was charged with 19 murders. 199 00:08:41,390 --> 00:08:44,219 That made him go from the minor leagues 200 00:08:44,261 --> 00:08:46,221 to the major league all-star game 201 00:08:46,264 --> 00:08:48,484 in terms of, like, fugitives you got to try and find. 202 00:08:48,528 --> 00:08:50,051 I tell you, this case had everything. 203 00:08:50,094 --> 00:08:51,531 It has murder. 204 00:08:51,574 --> 00:08:53,576 - Charged with murdering 19 people. 205 00:08:53,620 --> 00:08:57,624 - It has drugs, international organized crime. 206 00:08:57,667 --> 00:09:00,104 It has corruption. 207 00:09:00,148 --> 00:09:02,672 Essentially was a one-person crime wave 208 00:09:02,716 --> 00:09:06,415 in the city of Boston for decades. 209 00:09:06,458 --> 00:09:08,591 There have been good work done before us 210 00:09:08,635 --> 00:09:10,071 by the state troopers, the DEA, 211 00:09:10,114 --> 00:09:11,594 the FBI. - Sure. 212 00:09:11,638 --> 00:09:13,640 - We didn't have to go back and recreate the wheel 213 00:09:13,683 --> 00:09:14,989 with a lot of this stuff. 214 00:09:15,032 --> 00:09:16,904 One of our goals was to knock on doors 215 00:09:16,947 --> 00:09:19,297 and talk to people, even to stir this thing up 216 00:09:19,341 --> 00:09:21,038 and take some people out of their comfort zone. 217 00:09:21,082 --> 00:09:23,388 They were truly people in South Boston 218 00:09:23,432 --> 00:09:25,608 when we were knocking on doors that would say to us, 219 00:09:25,652 --> 00:09:27,392 "You're not really looking for that guy." 220 00:09:27,436 --> 00:09:31,048 I mean, people truly thought that we didn't want to find him 221 00:09:31,092 --> 00:09:33,529 just because of stuff he might be able to bring up 222 00:09:33,573 --> 00:09:35,357 about other corruption and that kind of thing. 223 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,577 - I believe that he's on the ten most wanted list 224 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:40,492 because they're not looking for him, 225 00:09:40,536 --> 00:09:42,451 but they want us to think that they are. 226 00:09:42,494 --> 00:09:43,713 - That wasn't the case at all. 227 00:09:43,757 --> 00:09:45,628 They brought us in to figure this thing out. 228 00:09:45,672 --> 00:09:47,630 - We sat down with the U.S. attorney's office, 229 00:09:47,674 --> 00:09:48,892 and there was a prosecutor assigned 230 00:09:48,936 --> 00:09:50,938 to help us find Whitey Bulger. 231 00:09:50,981 --> 00:09:53,375 And we wanted to get a full idea 232 00:09:53,418 --> 00:09:55,595 of the key family members. 233 00:09:55,638 --> 00:09:58,293 - I thought his brother was a politician in that area. 234 00:09:58,336 --> 00:10:00,338 - Yeah, William Bulger, Billy Bulger, 235 00:10:00,382 --> 00:10:03,907 was a really well-known politician in Massachusetts. 236 00:10:06,649 --> 00:10:07,781 - Well, he's the president of the state senate 237 00:10:07,824 --> 00:10:09,347 in Massachusetts, and then 238 00:10:09,391 --> 00:10:12,046 he was president of UMass Boston after that. 239 00:10:12,089 --> 00:10:14,483 So he's a well-known person in Boston. 240 00:10:14,526 --> 00:10:17,355 - Let me let you describe yourself as others see you. 241 00:10:17,399 --> 00:10:21,708 - Autocratic, dictatorial. 242 00:10:21,751 --> 00:10:23,492 Those are the... - Boss. 243 00:10:23,535 --> 00:10:25,581 - Boss. Those kinds of things. 244 00:10:25,625 --> 00:10:26,887 - Did you guys ever talk to him 245 00:10:26,930 --> 00:10:29,367 as part of your investigation? - We tried. 246 00:10:29,411 --> 00:10:30,760 - Yeah. - Yeah? 247 00:10:30,804 --> 00:10:32,196 - Billy never even came to the door. 248 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:34,459 Both times his wife did, and she just said 249 00:10:34,503 --> 00:10:36,679 he wasn't at home even though his car was in the driveway. 250 00:10:36,723 --> 00:10:38,159 It's one of those things. - Yeah. 251 00:10:38,202 --> 00:10:40,596 - So you leave a card and you hope you get a call back, 252 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,642 And you do. You get a call back from his attorney. 253 00:10:42,685 --> 00:10:44,295 The exact words from their attorney was, 254 00:10:44,339 --> 00:10:45,993 "We're not gonna do anything 255 00:10:46,036 --> 00:10:49,692 to help the FBI find James Bulger." 256 00:10:49,736 --> 00:10:54,001 - He's my brother. I care about him. 257 00:10:54,044 --> 00:10:56,307 - There were certain people it was frowned on 258 00:10:56,351 --> 00:10:59,136 to talk to them, but we went in. 259 00:10:59,180 --> 00:11:01,530 We did an interview of Kevin Weeks. 260 00:11:01,573 --> 00:11:02,749 - And who was he again? I can't... 261 00:11:02,792 --> 00:11:06,056 - Kevin Weeks was Bulger's right hand man. 262 00:11:06,100 --> 00:11:07,536 We went and knocked on his door. 263 00:11:07,579 --> 00:11:09,451 Came the door. Let us in. 264 00:11:09,494 --> 00:11:11,671 - We interviewed Kevin Weeks on a Sunday 265 00:11:11,714 --> 00:11:13,629 at halftime of a Patriots game. 266 00:11:13,673 --> 00:11:15,979 And he was sitting on his couch with an afghan on. 267 00:11:16,023 --> 00:11:17,851 - Yeah. We're up there for an hour or so. 268 00:11:17,894 --> 00:11:20,984 And he described to us a time when Bulger actually got 269 00:11:21,028 --> 00:11:23,770 physically violent with his girlfriend, Catherine Greig. 270 00:11:26,598 --> 00:11:28,688 - He was choking her. - Yeah, choking her. 271 00:11:28,731 --> 00:11:32,039 She's the one he goes on the lam with. 272 00:11:32,082 --> 00:11:34,476 Weeks said, "Maybe something could have happened to her 273 00:11:34,519 --> 00:11:37,305 based on Bugler's temper and this confrontation I saw." 274 00:11:37,348 --> 00:11:38,828 We started talking about that. 275 00:11:38,872 --> 00:11:40,177 Bulger had a violent temper, 276 00:11:40,221 --> 00:11:42,484 and a couple of the murders involved women. 277 00:11:42,527 --> 00:11:46,096 - Bulger routinely performed or ordered executions, 278 00:11:46,140 --> 00:11:49,056 some at close range, some with a hail of bullets, 279 00:11:49,099 --> 00:11:51,406 and at least one by strangulation. 280 00:11:51,449 --> 00:11:52,755 - We're starting to think, you know, what if... 281 00:11:52,799 --> 00:11:55,279 what if she either dies of natural causes 282 00:11:55,323 --> 00:11:57,064 or something violent happens to her 283 00:11:57,107 --> 00:12:00,632 and she washes up somewhere, her body's found? 284 00:12:00,676 --> 00:12:03,113 We start to think that, you know, that's a possibility. 285 00:12:03,157 --> 00:12:05,115 And we need something to identify her if she's deceased. 286 00:12:05,159 --> 00:12:07,422 We have no fingerprints. 287 00:12:07,465 --> 00:12:09,641 She's got no real identifiers. 288 00:12:09,685 --> 00:12:12,819 We have old, fuzzy, grainy pictures of her. 289 00:12:12,862 --> 00:12:15,735 But we knew she had had breast implants. 290 00:12:15,778 --> 00:12:17,780 - Quick note on Catherine Greig: 291 00:12:17,824 --> 00:12:20,478 her background quickly is 292 00:12:20,522 --> 00:12:23,307 very vain about her appearance, 293 00:12:23,351 --> 00:12:26,093 had plastic surgery prior to flight. 294 00:12:26,136 --> 00:12:27,790 - We talked about this over breakfast. 295 00:12:27,834 --> 00:12:29,923 You know, there's serial numbers on those implants 296 00:12:29,966 --> 00:12:33,796 because all the issues going back with failures on implants 297 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:35,667 and lawsuits and that kind of thing. 298 00:12:35,711 --> 00:12:38,018 If she gets autopsied, 299 00:12:38,061 --> 00:12:40,847 those numbers should be in an autopsy report. 300 00:12:40,890 --> 00:12:43,327 Let's see if we can get those serial numbers. 301 00:12:43,371 --> 00:12:45,329 - We had developed some contacts 302 00:12:45,373 --> 00:12:47,941 that were associated with... 303 00:12:47,984 --> 00:12:49,899 - The Greig family? - The Greig family, yeah. 304 00:12:49,943 --> 00:12:52,554 And so, we ascertained from them 305 00:12:52,597 --> 00:12:56,514 that she had had a procedure done at a hospital in Boston... 306 00:12:56,558 --> 00:12:58,125 Newton-Wellesley Hospital. 307 00:12:58,168 --> 00:13:00,780 So we got a subpoena, you know, 308 00:13:00,823 --> 00:13:03,043 to see if that hospital had any records, 309 00:13:03,086 --> 00:13:05,175 and hopefully, one of those record returns 310 00:13:05,219 --> 00:13:08,004 would be the implant number that we were hoping to get. 311 00:13:10,137 --> 00:13:13,357 Unfortunately, we got one return 312 00:13:13,401 --> 00:13:14,837 for a procedure she had gotten 313 00:13:14,881 --> 00:13:17,013 that was unrelated to the breast. 314 00:13:17,057 --> 00:13:19,363 So then we decided, you know what, let's hustle here. 315 00:13:19,407 --> 00:13:20,451 Let's think outside the box. 316 00:13:20,495 --> 00:13:22,802 Let's serve the doctor 317 00:13:22,845 --> 00:13:25,674 who did that one procedure we know about now. 318 00:13:25,717 --> 00:13:28,198 Let's serve him with a subpoena. 319 00:13:28,242 --> 00:13:31,288 Maybe she got something done outpatient, 320 00:13:31,332 --> 00:13:32,637 not in the hospital. 321 00:13:32,681 --> 00:13:35,031 Unfortunately, he died of melanoma in 2000. 322 00:13:35,075 --> 00:13:36,728 - Ah, shame. - So that was a dead end. 323 00:13:36,772 --> 00:13:38,556 So just on a halfcourt shot, 324 00:13:38,600 --> 00:13:40,863 served a subpoena on the plastic surgeon 325 00:13:40,907 --> 00:13:44,780 that took over his practice in Newton, Mass. 326 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:46,869 About two or three weeks later, we got the call saying, 327 00:13:46,913 --> 00:13:49,437 "Hey, we actually found records 328 00:13:49,480 --> 00:13:50,481 for Catherine Greig." - Awesome. 329 00:13:53,397 --> 00:13:56,226 - Literally, that's all it was, was a phone call from a doctor, 330 00:13:56,270 --> 00:13:58,185 saying, "Hey, Agent, we got these records. 331 00:13:58,228 --> 00:13:59,577 "She had breast implants. 332 00:13:59,621 --> 00:14:01,231 We have the number that you're looking for." 333 00:14:01,275 --> 00:14:03,059 But on the same phone call, he asked me, 334 00:14:03,103 --> 00:14:04,452 "Do you want the photos too?" 335 00:14:04,495 --> 00:14:06,193 This was a female fugitive 336 00:14:06,236 --> 00:14:08,586 that we really had no great photos of. 337 00:14:08,630 --> 00:14:10,066 That ended up being the ticket. 338 00:14:10,110 --> 00:14:11,720 Like, forget about the serial number. 339 00:14:11,763 --> 00:14:13,896 These photos were highly detailed. 340 00:14:13,940 --> 00:14:15,724 - Gamechanger. both: Gamechanger. 341 00:14:23,775 --> 00:14:25,560 - The way we were able to use the photographs 342 00:14:25,603 --> 00:14:27,301 to get the tip we needed ended up being really 343 00:14:27,344 --> 00:14:30,130 what turned the case in our favor. 344 00:14:30,173 --> 00:14:32,132 We decided, you know, we can't just hold a press conference 345 00:14:32,175 --> 00:14:33,524 and put the photos out there, 346 00:14:33,568 --> 00:14:35,048 'cause if Bulger's on the run and he sees them 347 00:14:35,091 --> 00:14:37,093 and he's got money, they'll just take off and bounce 348 00:14:37,137 --> 00:14:39,226 to another location and start all over again. 349 00:14:39,269 --> 00:14:41,663 And she had a lot of plastic surgery done, 350 00:14:41,706 --> 00:14:44,100 so why would she stop doing that while on the run? 351 00:14:44,144 --> 00:14:46,015 So let's get those photos out 352 00:14:46,059 --> 00:14:48,061 to the plastic surgery practices 353 00:14:48,104 --> 00:14:50,672 all across the United States, all across the world, 354 00:14:50,715 --> 00:14:54,241 with the hope that maybe a nurse or a doctor recognizes, 355 00:14:54,284 --> 00:14:57,070 you know, our fugitive and can give us a call. 356 00:14:57,113 --> 00:14:59,420 And we can identify them living under an alias somewhere 357 00:14:59,463 --> 00:15:00,638 and end the case. 358 00:15:00,682 --> 00:15:03,032 So that's what we did. 359 00:15:03,076 --> 00:15:05,469 We took an ad out in the "Sports Illustrated" 360 00:15:05,513 --> 00:15:07,819 for plastic surgery: "The Plastic Surgery News." 361 00:15:07,863 --> 00:15:09,038 - Oh, really? There is such a thing? 362 00:15:09,082 --> 00:15:11,084 There's, like, a newspaper? [laughs] 363 00:15:11,127 --> 00:15:13,347 - The FBI spent a couple thousand dollars 364 00:15:13,390 --> 00:15:14,957 to take out this ad. 365 00:15:15,001 --> 00:15:16,828 This is when we first... 366 00:15:16,872 --> 00:15:18,482 first had the photos. - Oh, that's awesome. 367 00:15:18,526 --> 00:15:20,745 - We want to release them to the plastic surgery community, 368 00:15:20,789 --> 00:15:23,313 and it went out nationally. 369 00:15:23,357 --> 00:15:26,012 And we got some really good tips. 370 00:15:26,055 --> 00:15:29,276 We got one great tip from Victoria, British Columbia, 371 00:15:29,319 --> 00:15:30,930 which was an area 372 00:15:30,973 --> 00:15:33,584 where we really thought Bulger might be in Canada. 373 00:15:33,628 --> 00:15:35,543 - Why? - He had traveled to Canada. 374 00:15:35,586 --> 00:15:38,372 Safety deposit box in a couple of cities in Canada. 375 00:15:38,415 --> 00:15:40,374 It was easier to get from the U.S. to Canada 376 00:15:40,417 --> 00:15:41,636 once he was charged 377 00:15:41,679 --> 00:15:43,855 than it would have been to fly overseas. 378 00:15:43,899 --> 00:15:47,772 We had a plastic surgeon and a nurse 379 00:15:47,816 --> 00:15:52,299 who worked in the office who looked at that ad and said, 380 00:15:52,342 --> 00:15:54,997 "That's a patient of ours out in British Columbia." 381 00:15:55,040 --> 00:15:57,869 - Wow. - So we flew out. 382 00:15:57,913 --> 00:16:00,524 We went through a whole patient roster and looked. 383 00:16:00,568 --> 00:16:02,787 - You know, we're trying to match pictures we have 384 00:16:02,831 --> 00:16:05,486 with pictures in the files there. 385 00:16:05,529 --> 00:16:08,402 It wasn't pretty, a lot of it, it felt like. 386 00:16:08,445 --> 00:16:09,881 It was a lot of work. - Right. 387 00:16:09,925 --> 00:16:11,448 - It took a long time. 388 00:16:11,492 --> 00:16:13,407 - Unfortunately, we never were able 389 00:16:13,450 --> 00:16:16,453 to identify Catherine Greig as being a patient out there. 390 00:16:16,497 --> 00:16:18,194 - But she had been there? Like, she had... 391 00:16:18,238 --> 00:16:19,326 No? both: No. 392 00:16:21,589 --> 00:16:23,373 - We really thought that we were gonna come home 393 00:16:23,417 --> 00:16:26,028 with Whitey Bulger on that trip. 394 00:16:26,072 --> 00:16:27,638 That was a crappy plane ride home, you know, 395 00:16:27,682 --> 00:16:29,553 because that was a really good tip. 396 00:16:29,597 --> 00:16:31,381 Stood out from the rest. 397 00:16:31,425 --> 00:16:33,427 - So you guys are disappointed. 398 00:16:33,470 --> 00:16:37,344 You come back from Canada, and there's no more information. 399 00:16:37,387 --> 00:16:41,000 What do you do next? 400 00:16:41,043 --> 00:16:43,959 - We wanted a reward on her. We had a reward on Bulger. 401 00:16:44,003 --> 00:16:46,048 - Mm-hmm. - There's very few 402 00:16:46,092 --> 00:16:49,008 female fugitives that you see a reward for. 403 00:16:49,051 --> 00:16:52,011 And we were able to get a $100,000 reward 404 00:16:52,054 --> 00:16:55,753 for information leading to the arrest of Catherine Greig 405 00:16:55,797 --> 00:16:58,930 as well as the $2 million that was out there on Bulger. 406 00:16:58,974 --> 00:17:00,497 And the other thing we did, 407 00:17:00,541 --> 00:17:03,631 one of the media people in Boston knew from, you know, 408 00:17:03,674 --> 00:17:06,502 outside work previously about a public service announcement. 409 00:17:06,547 --> 00:17:09,028 The FBI, they'd never done it before, 410 00:17:09,070 --> 00:17:10,550 so we were able to get the funding. 411 00:17:10,594 --> 00:17:12,988 We got some scripts written up...two separate scripts... 412 00:17:13,031 --> 00:17:14,945 emphasizing, you know, Catherine 413 00:17:14,990 --> 00:17:17,732 and her possibly being in danger, just 30 seconds. 414 00:17:17,775 --> 00:17:20,213 - This is an announcement by the FBI. 415 00:17:20,256 --> 00:17:21,648 Have you seen this woman? 416 00:17:21,692 --> 00:17:24,347 The FBI is offering $100,000 417 00:17:24,391 --> 00:17:26,958 for tips leading to Catherine Greig's whereabouts. 418 00:17:27,002 --> 00:17:28,351 - We emphasized the age difference 419 00:17:28,395 --> 00:17:29,787 between her and Bulger. 420 00:17:29,831 --> 00:17:31,311 - 60-year-old Greig is the girlfriend 421 00:17:31,354 --> 00:17:33,095 of 81-year-old Bulger. 422 00:17:33,139 --> 00:17:35,489 - We emphasized we're focusing on her now, not him. 423 00:17:35,532 --> 00:17:36,751 She's on the run with this guy 424 00:17:36,794 --> 00:17:38,318 that's been charged with 19 murders. 425 00:17:38,361 --> 00:17:40,450 They really wanted to appeal to, like, a female audience, 426 00:17:40,494 --> 00:17:42,974 figuring that would be a female she would talk to 427 00:17:43,018 --> 00:17:46,500 while on the run who would recognize the photo and call. 428 00:17:46,543 --> 00:17:49,416 - Call the tip line at 1-800-CALL-FBI. 429 00:17:49,459 --> 00:17:51,592 - The FBI's doing a public service announcement. 430 00:17:51,635 --> 00:17:52,941 So that's new stuff. 431 00:17:52,984 --> 00:17:54,725 That made the press all over the world. 432 00:17:54,769 --> 00:17:56,423 - The FBI is trying something new 433 00:17:56,466 --> 00:17:58,642 to track down one of its most wanted suspects. 434 00:17:58,686 --> 00:17:59,991 Starting today, it will begin airing 435 00:18:00,035 --> 00:18:02,820 a public service announcement aimed at women. 436 00:18:02,864 --> 00:18:04,474 - Detailing the habits of Bulger's companion, 437 00:18:04,518 --> 00:18:05,910 Catherine Greig. 438 00:18:05,954 --> 00:18:07,477 The FBI produced the ad 439 00:18:07,521 --> 00:18:11,525 and spent $50,000 to buy airtime in 14 cities. 440 00:18:11,568 --> 00:18:13,831 - The FBI's looking for tips to lead them to Grieg 441 00:18:13,875 --> 00:18:17,096 who will potentially then lead them to Bulger. 442 00:18:17,139 --> 00:18:18,880 - It was worth every penny because the media passed it 443 00:18:18,923 --> 00:18:21,012 around and we didn't have to pay for it all over the world. 444 00:18:21,056 --> 00:18:24,015 - So then from there, you start getting tips? 445 00:18:24,059 --> 00:18:25,191 - We're getting tips. 446 00:18:25,234 --> 00:18:27,149 The one we get the next day, 447 00:18:27,193 --> 00:18:28,411 I mean, it's the one. 448 00:18:32,372 --> 00:18:34,678 - So what was the big tip that came in? 449 00:18:34,722 --> 00:18:37,159 - Grieg's and Whitey's photograph was recognized 450 00:18:37,203 --> 00:18:38,856 as a couple 451 00:18:38,900 --> 00:18:40,989 that had been living in Santa Monica, California, 452 00:18:41,032 --> 00:18:42,121 for years. 453 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:47,474 Right down from the shopping center in Santa Monica. 454 00:18:47,517 --> 00:18:50,129 Not far from the beach. Nice area. 455 00:18:50,172 --> 00:18:53,393 Gave the exact apartment: the Princess Eugenia Apartments. 456 00:18:53,436 --> 00:18:55,699 And they're living there now. 457 00:18:55,743 --> 00:18:57,832 Part of the publicity was 458 00:18:57,875 --> 00:19:00,748 that they liked cats, and dogs, and pets, 459 00:19:00,791 --> 00:19:02,271 and we received information 460 00:19:02,315 --> 00:19:05,796 that a female helped out the strays. 461 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,363 Lot of little things matched up. 462 00:19:07,407 --> 00:19:11,237 And they're using the name Charles Gasko and his wife. 463 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,543 So we take that name, 464 00:19:13,587 --> 00:19:16,938 and then you do all these database checks on that name. 465 00:19:16,981 --> 00:19:20,115 The true Charles Gasko has been dead for years. 466 00:19:20,159 --> 00:19:21,986 - So he stole somebody's identity. 467 00:19:22,030 --> 00:19:23,771 Used it. Smart. - Right, so you got a guy 468 00:19:23,814 --> 00:19:27,340 who's living in Santa Monica using an ID of a dead guy. 469 00:19:27,383 --> 00:19:28,645 And that's a pretty good clue 470 00:19:28,689 --> 00:19:30,604 when you're looking for a guy like this. 471 00:19:30,647 --> 00:19:31,779 - So, of course, then what do you do? 472 00:19:31,822 --> 00:19:33,563 You call LA Division? 473 00:19:33,607 --> 00:19:35,217 "Hey, can you check this out?" 474 00:19:35,261 --> 00:19:37,785 - We had a bunch of fugitive violent crime task forces 475 00:19:37,828 --> 00:19:39,221 during that period. 476 00:19:39,265 --> 00:19:42,355 The guy we knew in LA is Scott Garriola. 477 00:19:42,398 --> 00:19:44,574 We call Garriola. 478 00:19:44,618 --> 00:19:47,011 He got his task force, LAPD guys, 479 00:19:47,055 --> 00:19:50,972 and they set up on the place and watched it. 480 00:19:51,015 --> 00:19:53,017 One of his officers on the task force 481 00:19:53,061 --> 00:19:55,498 saw the female come out of the porch 482 00:19:55,542 --> 00:19:58,458 and made an independent identification 483 00:19:58,501 --> 00:20:01,069 that's Catherine Grieg. 484 00:20:01,112 --> 00:20:02,592 And now we're cooking with gas. 485 00:20:02,636 --> 00:20:04,986 Garriola, he developed a ruse 486 00:20:05,029 --> 00:20:08,424 with some cooperator out there to talk to Whitey, 487 00:20:08,468 --> 00:20:09,991 have him come down in the basement 488 00:20:10,034 --> 00:20:12,080 where he had a storage locker down there. 489 00:20:12,123 --> 00:20:14,038 Tell him the thing's been broken into. 490 00:20:14,082 --> 00:20:15,866 And Scott and two or three of his guys 491 00:20:15,910 --> 00:20:17,390 were in the basement down there waiting. 492 00:20:17,433 --> 00:20:19,435 And sure enough, Bulger went down, 493 00:20:19,479 --> 00:20:23,178 and Scott yells, "FBI! On your knees!" 494 00:20:23,222 --> 00:20:26,442 Bulger says, "I'm not getting down on my fucking knees." 495 00:20:26,486 --> 00:20:29,880 And Scott doesn't know it's him 100% yet, I don't think, 496 00:20:29,924 --> 00:20:32,187 but when he makes that statement, 497 00:20:32,231 --> 00:20:35,016 Scott, he said, "Oh, yeah, this has gotta be Whitey Bulger." 498 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:38,280 And finally, Bulger gave it up. 499 00:20:38,324 --> 00:20:40,064 Garriola asked him, he said, 500 00:20:40,108 --> 00:20:42,066 "Aren't you relieved after all these years on the run?" 501 00:20:42,110 --> 00:20:45,766 And Bulger's response was, "What, are you fucking crazy? 502 00:20:45,809 --> 00:20:48,029 Who wants to be in jail? Who wants to be in prison?" 503 00:20:48,072 --> 00:20:49,944 But you know it's killing him. 504 00:20:49,987 --> 00:20:51,989 It's killing him because he got caught. 505 00:20:54,340 --> 00:20:57,081 They went upstairs and got Catherine. 506 00:20:57,125 --> 00:20:59,040 And they had all kinds of 507 00:20:59,083 --> 00:21:00,781 sort of strange stuff in his apartment. 508 00:21:00,824 --> 00:21:02,913 - What did they find? 509 00:21:02,957 --> 00:21:05,612 - There's rifles, pistols, 510 00:21:05,655 --> 00:21:07,440 you know, mace, different kind of things. 511 00:21:07,483 --> 00:21:09,137 Most of the pistols are loaded. 512 00:21:09,180 --> 00:21:10,834 Fake ID. 513 00:21:10,878 --> 00:21:13,272 He said, "You're gonna find a hand grenade 514 00:21:13,315 --> 00:21:14,795 in one of these things." 515 00:21:14,838 --> 00:21:19,278 He had big water bottles with socks, like, white socks, 516 00:21:19,321 --> 00:21:21,323 stretched out in the top of these water bottles. 517 00:21:21,367 --> 00:21:22,455 - For what? That's odd. - Yeah. 518 00:21:22,498 --> 00:21:23,891 Well, we asked them that. 519 00:21:23,934 --> 00:21:26,720 And the answer is, "I like white socks, 520 00:21:26,763 --> 00:21:28,417 "but they're too tight on my calves 521 00:21:28,461 --> 00:21:29,592 so I stretch them out." 522 00:21:29,636 --> 00:21:31,290 We were scratching our heads. 523 00:21:31,333 --> 00:21:33,770 He had tons of stuff in the apartment, some strange stuff. 524 00:21:35,946 --> 00:21:40,429 Bulger told Scott where the money was...800 grand, cash. 525 00:21:40,473 --> 00:21:42,866 Behind this mirror, behind this picture, 526 00:21:42,910 --> 00:21:44,564 all drywalled in. 527 00:21:44,607 --> 00:21:46,957 Cut it out, and there's just stacks and stacks 528 00:21:47,001 --> 00:21:48,742 and stacks of cash there. 529 00:21:48,785 --> 00:21:50,352 He had drug money 530 00:21:50,396 --> 00:21:51,658 from the '70s and '80s. - Of course. 531 00:21:53,747 --> 00:21:55,836 - But he told Catherine, "This is it." 532 00:21:55,879 --> 00:21:57,925 And it was it. 533 00:21:57,968 --> 00:22:00,231 It was the end for him anyway. 534 00:22:02,843 --> 00:22:06,499 - One of the most infamous mobsters of the 20th century 535 00:22:06,542 --> 00:22:08,762 was finally brought to justice today. 536 00:22:08,805 --> 00:22:12,026 Whitey Bulger is charged with murdering 19 people 537 00:22:12,069 --> 00:22:14,420 as head of Boston's Irish mob. 538 00:22:16,726 --> 00:22:19,120 - You brought in a team of FBI agents. 539 00:22:19,163 --> 00:22:21,078 We worked the crap out of the case. 540 00:22:21,122 --> 00:22:23,124 And we came up with some innovative ways 541 00:22:23,167 --> 00:22:26,388 to try and find this guy, and it worked. 542 00:22:26,432 --> 00:22:28,259 - You know, I talked to him at length, 543 00:22:28,303 --> 00:22:31,306 and he told me, "My biggest fear when I was on the run 544 00:22:31,350 --> 00:22:33,134 "was that I didn't wanna die in bed. 545 00:22:33,177 --> 00:22:35,919 "If I got sick, cancer, or something like that, 546 00:22:35,963 --> 00:22:37,834 "I was gonna go down to Arizona, 547 00:22:37,878 --> 00:22:40,054 "climb down in one of those mine shafts, 548 00:22:40,097 --> 00:22:42,491 "and just die in the bottom, way back, somewhere else, 549 00:22:42,535 --> 00:22:44,928 hoping you guys never find me looking for me." 550 00:22:44,972 --> 00:22:46,843 - Really? It'd be like another Hoffa. 551 00:22:46,887 --> 00:22:48,845 Looking for the body. - Yeah, he would've loved that. 552 00:23:44,466 --> 00:23:45,467 - There were times working the case 553 00:23:45,511 --> 00:23:47,077 where, yeah, we'd say, 554 00:23:47,121 --> 00:23:49,340 "Man, are they just happy indicting this guy in Boston?" 555 00:23:49,384 --> 00:23:50,777 Like, don't they want to frickin' catch him? 556 00:23:50,820 --> 00:23:53,606 Like, the FBI is getting the shit kicked out of them 557 00:23:53,649 --> 00:23:55,434 constantly in the media in Boston. 558 00:23:55,477 --> 00:23:56,783 Constantly. - Yeah. 559 00:23:56,826 --> 00:23:57,784 - And here we come to town, and we're like, 560 00:23:57,827 --> 00:23:59,133 wow, the bureau's the only one 561 00:23:59,176 --> 00:24:01,135 really trying to do something to find this guy. 562 00:24:01,178 --> 00:24:03,050 And that's exactly what happened. 563 00:24:03,093 --> 00:24:06,445 The stuff the FBI did led to the location of this fugitive, 564 00:24:06,488 --> 00:24:08,751 and he came back on the FBI jet to Boston. 565 00:24:15,410 --> 00:24:18,326 [dramatic music] 566 00:24:18,369 --> 00:24:25,289 ♪