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This programme contains strong
language and discussions
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of a sexual nature that some viewers
may find distressing
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So here's the school
off to our right.
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If you look through there,
you can see the auditorium.
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We would rehearse in
one of these permanent buildings.
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So I went to Chatsworth High School
with Kevin.
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I got involved with the drama club.
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The actor with
an outsized reputation
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was Kevin Fowler.
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Everybody seemed to like him,
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as well as recognise
how good of an actor he was.
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He was already planning
to be successful
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at that age, in high school.
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He was going to adopt his middle
name as his last name,
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his middle name, Spacey.
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His personality was often inspiring.
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Jumping and yelling and stamping
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and also just goofing off with us.
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I was a kid
who didn't focus very well.
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I wasn't really all that academic.
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I didn't really care that much
about classes.
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I was a bit disruptive,
I was the class clown.
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I would have been 16,17 at the time
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and, uh...Kevin was a year ahead.
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My interest was in girls,
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and anything theatre-related
was just really exciting for me.
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Taking pictures was my way
of capturing the moment.
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The people.
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Kevin here pretending
he's going to choke me to death
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for continuing to take pictures.
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"Ah, Greg, you're so weird.
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"I've really watched you grow as
a person and a performer.
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"My, you have 'come out'!
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"I wish you all the luck
in the world.
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"You're a pretty strange guy
but cool.
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"Stay good!
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"Always, Kevin Fowler."
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I don't recall if he wrote this
in my yearbook, um...
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..before the incident in the car
or after.
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We were having a drama party
at one of the student's houses,
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and Kevin asked for a ride.
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So I had a car.
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Pick him up,
and we headed over to the party.
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And on the way to the party...
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..he made a physical advance
in the car,
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which was extremely uncomfortable.
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I'm driving.
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And he's in the passenger seat,
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reaching over...to get a feel.
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He grabbed my genitals.
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Definitely with...
with intention and with purpose.
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Just...shock and surprise and...
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I was, in a sense, trapped.
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It was a very aggressive sexual move
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for that age group.
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There was no consent,
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as we ask for today
or as we...expect today.
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I had no idea that he was
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interested in me sexually or...
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..anything other than
just as another theatre kid,
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like he was.
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Later on in the evening
at the party,
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he then cornered me,
pleading to not...
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..mention what had happened
in the car to anyone.
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At that age in Chatsworth,
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it was not accepted to be
outwardly...gay.
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It was not a common thing
or an accepted thing.
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He was planning to move away,
to pursue acting,
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so I didn't think
I would ever see him again
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after that school year anyway,
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so there was no need to
drag his name through any scandal.
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I told him I wouldn't,
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just to not, you know,
do anything else.
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And he didn't.
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BBC NEWS: The Hollywood star
Kevin Spacey
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is found not guilty
of sexually assaulting four men.
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The actor broke down in tears
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as he was cleared
of all nine charges.
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I would like to say
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that I'm enormously grateful
to the jury
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for having taken the time to
examine all of the evidence,
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and I am humbled
by the outcome today.
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REPORTER: The star leaves court
an innocent man.
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he will hope he can resume a career
that reached the highest levels.
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He just had these real dead eyes
looking at me,
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and I just felt like I was staring
into, like, a soulless monster.
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It was cold in a way
that almost was inhuman.
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Your first reaction is not violence.
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You feel like you brought it on
to yourself and you feel shame.
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It was all about, "I can do this.
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"I can do this to you,
I'm Kevin Spacey."
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Now, we've become accustomed
to Hollywood stars
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coming over here
to tread the boards.
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Well, the Oscar-winning actor
Kevin Spacey
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has taken his love affair with the
British theatre one stage further.
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To find myself in the role
of director of the Old Vic
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is beyond my wildest imaginings.
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The Old Vic was on its last legs,
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but then when Kevin came on board,
it became the place to be.
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He was the...cash cow, if you like.
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The true test is whether he can get
the punters through the doors
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and earn this place the money
it so desperately needs.
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Holes in the roof mean the audience
has to dodge the rain.
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Who's going to buy, you know,
a £25,000 ticket at a gala
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to come and sit at the Old Vic,
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unless...there is the opportunity
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to be near the lustre
of this Hollywood star?
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I sort of got to the end
of, you know, '99,
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American Beauty had come out,
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and I was like, "Well, that kind of
went better than I could have hoped.
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"Now what am I supposed to do?"
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And I just thought,
"No, I think I want another dream."
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When I first arrived at the Old Vic,
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I was very excited
to see him onstage
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and learn from someone who was,
you know, very talented.
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He just had stage presence
like no other person.
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He knew how to manipulate
his audience,
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to, you know, kind of almost
have them under his spell.
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It was a dream, you know -
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it was a dream for the Old Vic,
a dream for everybody.
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Listen, I wasn't doing
anything glamorous.
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I was selling ice creams, I was
helping people get to their seats.
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And during this time,
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there was a pantomime going on
called Cinderella.
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It was a very family atmosphere,
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but it was a really, really
great show.
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I was working in the stalls,
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on the right-hand side.
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It was my job to guard the door
to check who was coming in.
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And so he'd come back
into the stalls and just watch
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and then all of a sudden...
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..he, like...
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..had somehow wedged
his whole body
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inside this tiny little gap,
like right here.
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I didn't even know you could fit
a person in this little gap,
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because it really was just a kind of
a cove where the usher would sit.
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And I remember just, like, moving,
like, slightly over,
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thinking, "Oh, maybe he doesn't
realise how much gap there is."
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You just see the brightness
of the stage,
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and everything is very, very dark.
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But then...
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And because of where I was sitting,
and he was standing...
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HE SIGHS
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..I felt like his whole groin
push on my face.
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There's someone that I had
tremendous respect for,
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and he was pushing his groin
on my face
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during whilst I was working.
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Whilst the pantomime was going on
with families and children.
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And I could...smell him.
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I could feel him
getting pleasure by it.
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I froze just in a way that I...
I couldn't move.
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And I just...
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..felt so small.
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I started to get, like,
scared of coming to work.
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"Is it going to happen again today?"
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He had this, like,
look of intent now with me
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since that incident
that still kind of haunts me,
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like...like he owned part of me.
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There was continual moments where...
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..he would, like, touch me,
like, from behind
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or brush himself across me in a way
that was completely uninvited.
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I remember, like, a pressing,
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a form of, like, something,
like, going inside of my trousers
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and just being like jolted,
like perked.
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And I remember it getting closer
and closer and more intimate
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and like...
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Oh, God, I mean...
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I just thought, "What have I done
to deserve this, you know?
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"How can you get on that stage?
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"How can you sleep at night?"
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Oh, it's just...
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It's such an invasion of...
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..a human being.
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I just felt like a piece of meat.
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There was no relationship.
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It was all about, "I can do this.
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"I can do this to you,
I'm Kevin Spacey."
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Please say hello to Kevin Spacey!
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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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How long have you been
in London now?
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I moved there in 2003.
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Not only have they
welcomed you over there,
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but the royal family,
they gave you a necklace?
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Yeah.
CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
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Yeah. It's a...
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What medal is this? This is a...
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It's a little royal bling.
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Yeah!
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And what it's called,
is it's called a CBE...
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CBE.
..which is an honorary knighthood.
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It's actually... It's rather nice.
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To see on Jimmy Kimmel
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that he had received an award
from the royal family
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for his services to British theatre,
it really hurt.
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I think we can't underestimate
the power he has and had,
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and I think that was a moment
when I knew I couldn't speak up.
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Good morning, everyone.
How is everyone? How are you?
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Let's just keep moving around,
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and we might do an exercise
that I rather like...
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MELVYN BRAGG: Central to
his artistic mission at the Old Vic
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is his commitment to developing
new audiences and emerging talent
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through the Old Vic's
New Voices programme.
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It was about sending the elevator
back down,
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and I always loved that saying,
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that's why it's still burned
into my memory.
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If you've done well in the business
you wanted to do well in,
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if you've been successful,
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then it's your obligation
to spend a good portion of your time
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sending the elevator back down.
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He would say it in interviews
and all sorts of promotion material.
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That was the philosophy that the
great Jack Lemmon passed down to me.
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I'll never forget
when I was just 13,
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I got the chance to do a workshop
with Mr Lemmon,
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and after I did a scene,
he walked up to me,
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he put his hand on my shoulder,
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and he said,
"That was a touch of terrific."
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And it was really the beginning
of discovering my own potential.
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We were aiming at young people
aged 18 to 26.
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Welcome to the fourth year
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of the Old Vic New Voices
24 Hour Plays Gala.
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He was always, you know,
giving good advice,
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and they were always so
starry-eyed and wide-eyed.
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They were like puppy dogs, you know,
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drinking from the fountain
of, you know, knowledge.
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We're all big fans of Kevin,
cos we all,
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most of us go to Julliard,
where Kevin went long ago.
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It's really great,
cos we're front row right now
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and we can touch him
if we wanted to.
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Anybody, anybody, anybody, anybody,
don't be shy.
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It's always interesting
when I'm in a workshop,
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and I'm always looking for
the shy kid in the corner,
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because that was me when I grew up
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and I started doing these kinds
of workshops. Yeah.
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We're invited to go
and do a workshop
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with Kevin at the Old Vic.
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It's amazing.
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We're standing on the stage,
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and we're with Kevin Spacey,
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and there's this feeling
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of anything's possible
in those moments,
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because you're rubbing shoulders
with such success.
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We sat down on the floor in a circle
all together first.
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"Say your name and something
about yourself" sort of thing.
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And I was leant back like this,
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and the first thing
I can recall happening
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is that Kevin put his hand
on my hand.
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Then we all got up
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and started taking it in turns
to do the scene work.
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And the thing I remember
about that particular moment
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is seeing him look like
he was interested in the scenes,
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but actually he was sort of just
working his way around the room,
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putting his arm around
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what seems to be
the most handsome guys in the space.
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One of them
he hugged quite aggressively.
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And then a little bit more time
goes on,
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and it's my turn to do my scene.
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And then Kevin came
right into my personal space,
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and I remember being held by...
by him, both my arms were held,
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and he whispered, in my ear,
something along the lines of...
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"You don't give a fuck
about what she has to say.
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"You just want to fuck her
in the ass."
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I just felt his body up
against my body.
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I think his penis was
against my leg.
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I mean, it's...it's horrible.
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The cynical part of my brain
says that
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we were all invited
under false pretences
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to do a scene study on...
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..the play they were doing,
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but actually he was just there
deciding who he'd like to...
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..to flirt with next.
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This is more than a job,
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because I'm finally doing something
that is outside of my own career
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and bigger than myself,
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and I'm able to see the effects
it has on people's lives
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every single day.
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So I was in my fourth year at school
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where he came in to do a workshop
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on Shakespeare monologues.
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It was huge, I was thrilled,
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and I wanted him to think
that I was good.
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He came over to me,
encouraging me and saying,
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he said, "Well, if you ever want to
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"work on any of
your audition material,
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"we could do that."
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It struck me as
such an extraordinary offer.
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He was trying to find a way
for us to meet up.
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And I said, "Oh, I'm going to see
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"the third year performing
their Shakespeare,
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"so I can't."
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And he said,
"Well, we can go together."
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So, you know,
we're in this dark theatre together.
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He would just very casually
but frequently
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lean over to me next to him
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and sort of whisper in my ear,
very close,
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frequent enough and close enough
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and lingering enough that...
it was pretty clear.
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And then if that wasn't clear,
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him putting his hand on my thigh
and my intimate...
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the inner part of my thigh...
was crystal clear.
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I felt this was about
pursuit and sex.
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It brought up all kinds of
those emotions of guilt and shame,
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and somehow I let this happen,
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and that those feelings
sort of supplant
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or kind of grow overtop
of thinking he should be ashamed.
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It was about a six-month period
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where I would say,
every couple of weeks or so,
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I would get voicemails.
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He was running the Old Vic
at the time,
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so he wasn't always around.
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"Hey, I'm in town
and I've got this party.
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"Hey, I'm in town,
and I'm going to this premiere.
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"Hey, I'm in town and I'm staying
at this hotel with tennis courts,
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"and we could play and have a steam
in the steam bath afterwards."
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I don't want this.
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I'm not interested in this,
I'm creeped out by this.
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But he's still this person
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who has power and influence
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and who was literally
my teacher last week.
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It's really hard
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to feel as though
you can say no to that person,
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if he's willing and interested
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in exploiting
that kind of power position
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for, you know, his own desires.
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I just don't think that's...right.
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And this is Kevin, my brother,
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and we were both just standing there
looking off into the distance.
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We just seemed to have bonded
so closely.
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For so many years, we were close.
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But as soon as you introduced
our parents into the formula,
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the dynamics just became...
stifling, squished.
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I think what happened to us,
how we drifted apart,
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it makes me sad.
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In 1969...
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..it was the summer,
that's when it first started.
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My father took me
up to the master bedroom...
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..and raped me.
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He sodomised me,
he gave me oral sex.
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I was screaming for my mother.
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And my mother came upstairs,
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and the bedroom door was locked.
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She goes,
"What's going on in there?"
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My mother's banging on the door,
and my father...
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..put his arm up against my neck
and threw me against the wall
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and says, "Don't say a word."
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And then all of a sudden,
there was silence,
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and she just walked away.
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I was only 13, 14 years old.
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This kind of nonsense
went on for years,
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and it wasn't until 1971
I just said,
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"No.
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"This has to stop now."
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And I threatened him.
353
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And I said,
"If you ever lay a hand on Kevin,
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"I'm going to tell mother."
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And that was the last sexual abuse.
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When I moved out in 1975,
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I kind of felt guilty,
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but I couldn't take it any longer.
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"What about Kevin?
360
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"What's going to happen to
my little brother?"
361
00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:39,230
But then I started thinking
about it,
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realising that
how close my mother was to Kevin,
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that I thought that
she would protect him.
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I just had to take a chance
that he would be OK.
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But just because
he wasn't being abused
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doesn't mean that
there wasn't psychological trauma
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going on within him
from the strange family life we had.
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It is only in the theatre experience
that you can create families
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and really lasting relationships.
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So having moved to London,
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the Old Vic,
it's the best job I've ever had,
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cos I get to bring people together
and be a part of creating a family.
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I wanted to be
the best in the world.
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I got an agent,
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and then I had an audition
for World War Z
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with Brad Pitt.
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Stay close.
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I'm the guy with the gun!
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Nice little close-up.
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I got a call from my agent,
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and it was an offer for Sweet Bird
Of Youth at the Old Vic in London.
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There's not many gigs
in Theatreland
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that are better than a summer show
at the Old Vic,
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so I just put everything into it.
385
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And being the youngest
in a cast like that,
386
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the pressure that I put on myself.
387
00:24:16,910 --> 00:24:18,190
"Don't fuck this up.
388
00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:20,990
"Do a really good job
and you might get to do this again
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00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:23,470
"in a Kevin Spacey show
at the Old Vic."
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00:24:23,470 --> 00:24:26,750
Everything is building up
to that press night,
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as close as you can get to
a Hollywood premiere.
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So I go over to my dressing room,
393
00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:35,790
and there's a knock at the door.
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00:24:35,790 --> 00:24:37,790
Kevin's assistant comes in and says,
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"Ruari, this is from Kevin."
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00:24:40,110 --> 00:24:44,510
And I opened the box,
and it had a little card from Kevin,
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and it said,
"Ruari - Happy Opening! K."
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And a gift.
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I don't know how much it costs,
400
00:24:57,550 --> 00:25:03,430
but it's an original poster
of Sweet Bird Of Youth.
401
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:07,230
And there was a real silence
in the room.
402
00:25:07,230 --> 00:25:09,870
I felt a little bit embarrassed,
if I'm being honest.
403
00:25:09,870 --> 00:25:12,110
APPLAUSE BUILDS
404
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So show finishes,
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00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:22,630
and there's immediately
the press night after-party.
406
00:25:25,390 --> 00:25:28,430
We made our way down to the Savoy.
407
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When you walk in, on your left,
408
00:25:33,550 --> 00:25:38,070
you have the nation's photographers
from every newspaper,
409
00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:40,390
getting photographs of people,
410
00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:43,150
and there's people standing there
from the cast,
411
00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:45,470
famous people who had been invited
to the press night.
412
00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:47,870
And I see Kevin.
413
00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:51,270
And so I did what I felt like
I had to do.
414
00:25:53,150 --> 00:25:55,510
I walked up to him,
and I put my hand out,
415
00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:59,350
and I said, "Thank you so much
for the gift, Kevin."
416
00:25:59,350 --> 00:26:05,110
And...he pulled me in very close
with his right hand...
417
00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:09,150
..and sort of turned me 45 degrees.
418
00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:12,750
Now, I don't know that
that was to hide from the cameras,
419
00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:15,190
but I can only assume
that was what he was trying to do.
420
00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:18,430
And he put his left hand
down by my...
421
00:26:20,670 --> 00:26:21,990
..my-my bum.
422
00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:26,350
And he stuck his middle finger
423
00:26:26,350 --> 00:26:29,550
as far up...me as possible.
424
00:26:33,270 --> 00:26:34,310
Erm...
425
00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:39,790
I was wearing a suit, so...
426
00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:44,230
..he took up the recessed material
427
00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:47,470
and just tried to go up
through my boxers, up inside me.
428
00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:49,310
I just totally froze.
429
00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:52,510
He pulled me in closer in his ear,
in my ear, he whispered,
430
00:26:52,510 --> 00:26:54,830
"Don't worry about it."
431
00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:58,190
He did that, and then he,
just like a shark,
432
00:26:58,190 --> 00:26:59,670
just moved straight through
433
00:26:59,670 --> 00:27:03,110
and moved into Kevin mode
at a press night,
434
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:04,710
so went and took pictures.
435
00:27:06,430 --> 00:27:09,510
And it's horrible to know that,
like, you're doing that one second,
436
00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:12,750
and the next minute you're carrying
on like nothing's happened.
437
00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:15,030
It feels like you're invisible.
438
00:27:15,030 --> 00:27:16,790
I can see all the photographers,
439
00:27:16,790 --> 00:27:19,790
and there's, like,
all these eyes and all these faces,
440
00:27:19,790 --> 00:27:21,830
and you're moving through them,
441
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:26,590
and you just want, er...
someone to help you.
442
00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:36,190
I stopped...
putting in work for auditions.
443
00:27:37,670 --> 00:27:40,190
Staying in bed all day.
444
00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:41,750
You just go like that.
445
00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:44,710
What's the point?
446
00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:48,070
There was a naivety there of
feeling like you were on a mission
447
00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:50,430
to become the best actor
in the world,
448
00:27:50,430 --> 00:27:54,190
but as soon as you get made to feel,
like, that small,
449
00:27:54,190 --> 00:27:58,950
you're almost muted, you know,
your voice gets smaller.
450
00:27:58,950 --> 00:28:01,270
I didn't feel like
I was in an environment,
451
00:28:01,270 --> 00:28:02,310
if I did tell someone,
452
00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:04,790
they would have believed me
or even supported me.
453
00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:09,790
This was a London theatre
with an A-list star...
454
00:28:11,150 --> 00:28:12,630
..and they worshipped him.
455
00:28:14,270 --> 00:28:17,750
From that point on, I don't see
my career as anything else
456
00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:20,790
other than just sort of
darting around the edges of...
457
00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:28,990
..quite substantial addiction issues
and relationship issues.
458
00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:45,470
Now to Washington's obsession
with a show
459
00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:47,990
that happens to make Washington
look like a den of vipers.
460
00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:50,910
Yeah, it's called House Of cards,
and it's available on Netflix,
461
00:28:50,910 --> 00:28:53,550
and it stars Kevin Spacey.
462
00:28:53,550 --> 00:28:56,630
Netflix was
the DVD delivery company
463
00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:59,710
that, like, my parents
signed up for.
464
00:28:59,710 --> 00:29:02,070
They had transitioned
into streaming,
465
00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:05,070
and then Netflix is now going
to be making their own TV shows,
466
00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:07,430
and House Of Cards
was one of the first.
467
00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:12,270
Netflix has made a loud and pricey
statement that they've arrived,
468
00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:16,190
betting $100 million on a project
with Kevin Spacey.
469
00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:23,830
What about my guest tonight?
Academy Award-winning actor,
470
00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:26,150
his Netflix series,
now showing its second season,
471
00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:27,590
is called House Of Cards.
472
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:30,510
Please welcome back to
the programme Kevin Spacey!
473
00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:33,830
Kevin Spacey was on every chat show.
474
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:38,230
He was on The Daily Show,
Jon Stewart loved him.
475
00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:42,870
You Machiavellian piece of BLEEP,
you conniving...
476
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:44,510
It's so good!
477
00:29:46,150 --> 00:29:49,750
So my role in relation to Kevin is,
I was the first team PA on set,
478
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:54,390
which meant that I had eyes on Kevin
pretty much all of the time.
479
00:29:54,390 --> 00:29:57,150
I had never been so close
480
00:29:57,150 --> 00:30:03,550
to a performer that commanded
the room in such a way,
481
00:30:03,550 --> 00:30:05,150
and I was just so blown away by it.
482
00:30:05,150 --> 00:30:08,510
It was literally the last scene
of season two.
483
00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:10,470
Frank has finally
484
00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:12,510
become the president
through all of the scheming,
485
00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:16,470
and he's taking his first moment
inside the Oval Office.
486
00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:18,550
You just see him settling into
487
00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:21,710
this, like, power
he has worked so hard for,
488
00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:24,150
and at the very end of it,
489
00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:26,710
he just looks dead in the camera
490
00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:28,950
and smacks his fist on the table.
491
00:30:33,270 --> 00:30:36,510
You felt the oxygen,
all the oxygen in that room,
492
00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:37,950
focus on him.
493
00:30:37,950 --> 00:30:40,510
And cut! Nice!
494
00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:43,630
It was like,
"Oh, this is how you win Oscars."
495
00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:48,030
I'm having the time of my life
working on it.
496
00:30:48,030 --> 00:30:50,470
Literally every day
is just a joy to work on.
497
00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:56,710
Well, I wish things were
that ruthlessly efficient.
498
00:30:56,710 --> 00:31:00,830
LAUGHTER
499
00:31:00,830 --> 00:31:03,590
It's true,
I was looking at Kevin Spacey,
500
00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:06,950
I was thinking, "This guy's
getting a lot of stuff done."
501
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:11,350
I loved working on House Of Cards,
I adored working on that set.
502
00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:14,950
But, um, the behaviour
that was going on
503
00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:17,710
also made it
a hostile work environment
504
00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:19,590
for a lot of people.
505
00:31:22,790 --> 00:31:26,590
I thought he was, like, incredible.
You know?
506
00:31:26,590 --> 00:31:29,790
He just had this this aura
about him on screen,
507
00:31:29,790 --> 00:31:33,070
but then we're on
the other side of the set,
508
00:31:33,070 --> 00:31:36,390
and right there in that moment,
at a workplace,
509
00:31:36,390 --> 00:31:38,670
I was inappropriately touched.
510
00:31:38,670 --> 00:31:40,110
It was kind of shocking.
511
00:31:40,110 --> 00:31:43,550
It was like seeing someone
just kind of shift in front of you,
512
00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:46,590
and I just remember
he just had these very cold eyes,
513
00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:48,150
like empty, soulless.
514
00:31:50,590 --> 00:31:54,430
I caught him in this moment
where there was the real Kevin.
515
00:32:01,230 --> 00:32:04,230
The issue of Kevin
was certainly well known.
516
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:06,910
It was like,
"Oh, yeah, that's the thing."
517
00:32:06,910 --> 00:32:09,310
"That's what happens here."
518
00:32:09,310 --> 00:32:12,870
The issues surrounding Kevin
were typically with men.
519
00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:15,830
Both myself and the base-camp
production assistant,
520
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:17,230
we were both women.
521
00:32:17,230 --> 00:32:20,910
It's all very coded,
but it was implied to me
522
00:32:20,910 --> 00:32:22,790
that it was to account for the fact
523
00:32:22,790 --> 00:32:25,830
that there was, quote-unquote,
you know, bad behaviour,
524
00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:27,910
and they wanted to make sure
525
00:32:27,910 --> 00:32:30,230
that they weren't putting someone
in too close proximity
526
00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:32,310
where it could happen again.
527
00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:36,150
I would often see him
walk up to performers,
528
00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:39,270
walk up to, like,
background actors we had on set,
529
00:32:39,270 --> 00:32:42,710
and he would, you know, kind of
get very close
530
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:45,350
and clearly be like engaging
with them in this way.
531
00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:48,190
I would see him,
you know, put a hand on like an arm
532
00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:50,510
and, like, talk about their muscles.
533
00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:53,950
You know, there would be kind of
that kind of grabby flirtatiousness
534
00:32:53,950 --> 00:32:57,190
would happen if he felt like
he could get away with it.
535
00:32:57,190 --> 00:33:02,230
There were crew members that were
made to feel very uncomfortable.
536
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:04,990
So one of the feelings that you get
537
00:33:04,990 --> 00:33:07,350
when you're a woman
in this environment
538
00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:09,150
where you're used to being the one
who's the target is,
539
00:33:09,150 --> 00:33:11,510
"Wow, at least it's not me."
540
00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:14,390
But then you're seeing it happen to
other people,
541
00:33:14,390 --> 00:33:17,150
and that's not that's not something
you want to be happening either.
542
00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:21,990
We had a crew member who
Kevin was particularly fixed on,
543
00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:25,110
and he was he was spending so much
time going up to this person,
544
00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:27,590
trying to engage with this person,
trying to engage with this person,
545
00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:31,990
that that person's boss
actually moved them off of set.
546
00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:34,990
Because he's the executive producer,
he's your boss,
547
00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:38,670
and so if he comes up to you
and wants to engage in conversation,
548
00:33:38,670 --> 00:33:40,470
you're in some way obligated to.
549
00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:44,910
It puts you in
a really weird headspace
550
00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:47,390
where you're kind of waiting
to be, like,
551
00:33:47,390 --> 00:33:50,430
"What's bad enough where something
has to be done about this?
552
00:33:51,510 --> 00:33:54,550
"Is there some way I can insert
myself to kind of save them?"
553
00:33:54,550 --> 00:33:57,190
It was not clear what you could do.
554
00:33:57,190 --> 00:34:00,510
You could call...Netflix?
555
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:05,710
It just seemed like
he was unstoppable.
556
00:34:07,030 --> 00:34:10,910
Kevin was getting a lot of praise
for his role in House Of Cards.
557
00:34:10,910 --> 00:34:15,270
He won the Golden Globes Award,
he won the SAG Award.
558
00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:17,990
My favourite, Kevin Spacey!
559
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:19,910
Yes!
560
00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:26,110
Thank you. Thank you.
561
00:34:26,110 --> 00:34:27,630
I just want to talk a little bit
562
00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:29,590
about the theory of relativity,
um...
563
00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:31,150
LAUGHTER
564
00:34:31,150 --> 00:34:36,070
Yeah, because apparently they say
that if you're in an elevator,
565
00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:39,270
you don't know whether
you're going up or going down,
566
00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:41,710
but right now,
it feels like I'm going up.
567
00:34:41,710 --> 00:34:44,710
Thank you very much.
APPLAUSE FADES
568
00:34:48,830 --> 00:34:51,670
I was invited to go to
the Bafta Britannia Awards.
569
00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:55,310
And, um...
570
00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:59,830
Would you please welcome two-time
Academy Award winner Kevin Spacey?!
571
00:35:01,310 --> 00:35:04,350
All of a sudden,
Kevin Spacey comes onstage.
572
00:35:06,590 --> 00:35:08,830
This is...ten years later.
573
00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:14,750
And I had not seen him since
these incidences,
574
00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:16,990
and my heart just sank to the floor.
575
00:35:18,030 --> 00:35:20,270
You wrecked part of my life.
576
00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:24,070
And there was this whole room
adoring you.
577
00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:29,390
And I thought, "Ten years
have gone past,
578
00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:30,950
"what more has he done?"
579
00:35:33,830 --> 00:35:37,030
And that whole weekend was a blur
because...
580
00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:41,470
the Friday was the event.
581
00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:43,630
The Saturday...
582
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:46,750
..I told my mum.
583
00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:52,230
And the Sunday, the news broke.
584
00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:57,790
Tonight, there is a scandal
swirling around actor Kevin Spacey,
585
00:35:57,790 --> 00:36:00,510
the Hollywood star accused
of sexual misconduct.
586
00:36:00,510 --> 00:36:02,550
Spacey allegedly forced himself
587
00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:05,110
on a future Broadway star,
Anthony Rapp.
588
00:36:05,110 --> 00:36:07,670
Well, we have the reporter
who broke this story,
589
00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:09,430
Adam B Vary of BuzzFeed News.
590
00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:12,750
Anthony Rapp was very much moved
by the number of women
591
00:36:12,750 --> 00:36:15,990
who were coming forward in the wake
of the Harvey Weinstein scandal,
592
00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:17,790
and he felt like, as he said,
593
00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:20,550
he was really awake to the moment
we're living in now. Yeah.
594
00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:23,270
I think Kevin Spacey stands out
595
00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:25,630
in the first few months of
the MeToo movement,
596
00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:30,190
because he was
the first prominent man
597
00:36:30,190 --> 00:36:34,230
to have an allegation brought
against him by another man.
598
00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:39,070
Within a couple hours of
the BuzzFeed story publishing,
599
00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:41,950
Kevin Spacey released a statement.
600
00:36:41,950 --> 00:36:43,910
In a statement, Spacey says, quote,
601
00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:46,230
"If I've behaved then
as he describes,
602
00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:48,550
"I owe him the sincerest apology
603
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:51,590
"for what would have been deeply
inappropriate drunken behaviour."
604
00:36:51,590 --> 00:36:55,030
Spacey tweeted he does not remember
the alleged encounter,
605
00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:58,150
which Rapp detailed
in an interview with BuzzFeed.
606
00:36:58,150 --> 00:37:01,710
Still, Spacey says
he's beyond horrified by the story,
607
00:37:01,710 --> 00:37:03,350
and he says it has encouraged him
608
00:37:03,350 --> 00:37:05,790
to do something
he's never done before -
609
00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:08,950
publicly acknowledge
that he is gay.
610
00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:12,470
There was a great deal of pushback
from the LGBTQ community
611
00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:14,310
for that statement.
612
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:27,990
It's a real shame that,
after many, many opportunities
613
00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:30,990
that Kevin Spacey did have
to come out in a positive way,
614
00:37:30,990 --> 00:37:34,870
that he's ended up coming out in
what has been a very negative way.
615
00:37:36,190 --> 00:37:38,630
As a queer person myself,
616
00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:41,710
Kevin's decision to come out
617
00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:44,870
on the back end of these accusations
618
00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:47,470
that were brought against him
by other men
619
00:37:47,470 --> 00:37:49,790
was frustrating,
620
00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:54,230
because it felt like
it was being used as a distraction.
621
00:37:54,230 --> 00:38:00,670
I don't know what Kevin Spacey's
intentions were with that statement,
622
00:38:00,670 --> 00:38:03,830
but that was how it was received
by a lot of people.
623
00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:17,390
That's warped, that's wrong.
624
00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:22,030
No-one knows what journey you can
or can't take in coming out,
625
00:38:22,030 --> 00:38:23,790
and it's different for everybody,
626
00:38:23,790 --> 00:38:27,190
which is all the more reason
to continue to pursue it
627
00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:29,910
until you find a way to
live with yourself
628
00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:33,390
and not hate yourself for
being who you are.
629
00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:35,750
That's what
the coming-out process is,
630
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:38,670
and that's why I really worry
about Spacey's health.
631
00:38:38,670 --> 00:38:41,070
Because where is his head in
with this?
632
00:38:41,070 --> 00:38:45,470
Since he came out to defend himself
against accusations,
633
00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:48,670
he's not said a word
about the gay community,
634
00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:50,470
about being a gay man,
635
00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:53,870
about how it feels
to be an out gay man.
636
00:38:53,870 --> 00:38:58,430
That's not in this conversation
and that to me is very suspect.
637
00:39:07,660 --> 00:39:12,220
I thought Kevin Spacey's statement
seemed strange.
638
00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:15,060
He's half apologising
639
00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:19,460
for this allegation
that Anthony Rapp is making,
640
00:39:19,460 --> 00:39:24,500
but he's now also using this
as a moment to come out as gay.
641
00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:28,300
And to me, that was just a red flag
642
00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,780
that he was trying to deflect
from something bigger.
643
00:39:33,020 --> 00:39:37,420
I shut myself in this small
little conference room,
644
00:39:37,420 --> 00:39:42,900
and I called hundreds of people
over the next two or three days.
645
00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:47,220
I was talking to all sorts of people
who had either
646
00:39:47,220 --> 00:39:51,180
worked on House Of Cards or who
were actively working on the show.
647
00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:56,460
I eventually landed
with eight people
648
00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:58,940
who were willing to share
their stories with me,
649
00:39:58,940 --> 00:40:01,660
but under the condition
of anonymity.
650
00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:03,540
A lot of the people
that I was speaking to
651
00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:06,540
were just starting out their careers
in Hollywood,
652
00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:08,900
and they just weren't emboldened
and empowered enough
653
00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:13,260
to feel like they could take on
someone as powerful as Kevin Spacey.
654
00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:15,700
And so we published the piece,
655
00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:20,900
and I had no idea what
was about to happen.
656
00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:27,060
Netflix has fired actor
Kevin Spacey from House of Cards.
657
00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:31,100
Netflix has confirmed House of Cards
will resume production next year,
658
00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:34,380
but without the show's main
star, Kevin Spacey.
659
00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:42,220
That week, there was a stream
of other stories and allegations.
660
00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:45,100
We've got some disturbing
new accusations being levelled
661
00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:48,500
this morning against
Oscar-winner Kevin Spacey.
662
00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:51,620
It's one of a number of explosive
allegations levelled
663
00:40:51,620 --> 00:40:54,700
against the actor in recent weeks.
664
00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:57,260
The effects of
665
00:40:57,260 --> 00:41:01,660
the allegations against Kevin Spacey
firebombed his career.
666
00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:03,940
His agency and his publicist
dropped him.
667
00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:09,460
Several of Kevin Spacey's projects
that had already been shot
668
00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:12,620
were either dropped or dumped.
669
00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:16,420
But is Hollywood being too quick
to judge, turning its back
670
00:41:16,420 --> 00:41:20,900
on the Oscar winner before formal
charges have even been made?
671
00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:24,140
Next thing you know, there
are these allegations coming
672
00:41:24,140 --> 00:41:28,460
from across the pond,
overseas in the UK.
673
00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:33,940
20 people have claimed they were
victims of inappropriate behaviour
674
00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:36,740
by the actor Kevin Spacey,
following an investigation
675
00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:39,100
by the Old Vic Theatre in London.
676
00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:45,860
The Old Vic apologises
wholeheartedly to the people
677
00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:48,220
who have told us
they've been affected.
678
00:41:48,220 --> 00:41:52,260
Everyone needs to feel that they can
speak out no matter who they are.
679
00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:53,420
Thank you.
680
00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:07,580
The reason I've never really spoke
out about it was out of, uh, fear.
681
00:42:07,580 --> 00:42:10,340
Yeah, fear of not being believed.
682
00:42:10,340 --> 00:42:12,620
This stuff doesn't happen to guys.
683
00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:14,540
At least, that's what I thought.
684
00:42:14,540 --> 00:42:18,260
Until I experienced what I
did on House of Cards.
685
00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:21,020
When you're gay, it's like,
686
00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:24,540
"Oh, well, isn't it
just like being at a gay club?"
687
00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:27,660
I even remember someone
said, "Oh, lucky you."
688
00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:30,740
Lucky me?
689
00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:33,300
W-... Wha-...?
690
00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:35,020
Would you say that to a woman?
691
00:42:40,180 --> 00:42:42,500
These stories just kept coming.
692
00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:46,900
But Kevin Spacey kept retreating
and becoming more reclusive.
693
00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:52,020
And then all of a sudden,
he put this bizarre YouTube video
694
00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:56,420
up of himself standing
in what appears to be his kitchen,
695
00:42:56,420 --> 00:43:01,060
wearing an apron, and he is
channelling his House of Cards
696
00:43:01,060 --> 00:43:03,060
character, Frank Underwood.
697
00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:05,380
I know what you want.
698
00:43:05,380 --> 00:43:07,700
Oh, sure, they may have tried
to separate us,
699
00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:09,100
but what we have is too strong.
700
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:10,780
It's too powerful.
701
00:43:10,780 --> 00:43:13,460
When I saw it,
I felt physically ill.
702
00:43:13,460 --> 00:43:16,180
He knows best that we want him back.
703
00:43:17,180 --> 00:43:23,580
And that's so pompously
egotistical that it
704
00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:24,740
just makes me angry.
705
00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:29,300
Of course, some believed everything
and have just been waiting with
706
00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,820
bated breath to hear me
confess it all.
707
00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:35,260
But you wouldn't believe the worst
without evidence, would you?
708
00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:37,100
Did you?
709
00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:43,620
I remember feeling so judged
by watching this.
710
00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:46,740
Oh, of course, they're going to say
I'm being disrespectful, not playing
711
00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:51,420
by the rules, like I ever played
by anyone's rules before.
712
00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:52,700
I never did.
713
00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:55,740
And you loved it.
714
00:43:55,740 --> 00:44:00,620
He's merging art and life
in a really, really distasteful way.
715
00:44:00,620 --> 00:44:02,940
What is he trying to prove here?
716
00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:05,460
He's proving that
he can't speak as himself.
717
00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:09,980
He can only speak as the person,
the puppeteer behind the character
718
00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:11,260
that he's playing.
719
00:44:15,340 --> 00:44:19,140
We now know that there was
all of this turmoil
720
00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:21,060
going on behind the scenes.
721
00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:34,620
Years later, in legal documents,
we find out that Media Rights
722
00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:37,580
Capital, the production
company behind House of Cards,
723
00:44:37,580 --> 00:44:40,420
was going after Kevin Spacey.
724
00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:46,300
They were headed into season six
and they've lost their main star.
725
00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:50,300
Essentially, MRC is saying,
"Look, we had to rewrite the show,
726
00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:55,300
"we had to shorten our season
and it cost us, you know, millions
727
00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:59,860
"of dollars because of your
inappropriate behaviour on the set."
728
00:44:59,860 --> 00:45:05,020
This arbitration court does
their own independent investigation,
729
00:45:05,020 --> 00:45:10,580
and they depose several individuals
who claim that Kevin Spacey touched
730
00:45:10,580 --> 00:45:15,860
them in a sexually inappropriate
manner that was not consensual.
731
00:45:17,020 --> 00:45:20,740
The arbitrator finds,
through their interviews,
732
00:45:20,740 --> 00:45:26,180
that this is a pattern of
inappropriate behaviour that spans
733
00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:28,900
the first five seasons of the show.
734
00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:32,180
And they say that they find
735
00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:35,460
these individuals that they deposed
to be credible,
736
00:45:35,460 --> 00:45:39,140
and that the allegations
against Spacey are true.
737
00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:44,700
The arbitration case did not find
that Kevin Spacey had done anything
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criminal, but what they did find
was that Kevin was in breach
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of this harassment policy.
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Therefore, he was responsible
financially
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to the production company.
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Two years later, this case finds
itself in front of a judge
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in the Superior Court of California
because Kevin Spacey and his legal
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team, they appeal the arbitrator's
decision, and this judge agrees
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with what the arbitrator's found
and agrees that Kevin Spacey owes
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Media Rights Capital
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over $30 million.
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This judgement is incredibly
significant because to have it
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written right there in black
and white, this is the first time
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that Kevin Spacey has been held
accountable for his actions.
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Mr Spacey, how do you feel?
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Mr Spacey!
How are you feeling right now?
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There was no battery, there was no
party, and nothing happened.
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And the jury believed that, by
preponderance of the evidence,
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more likely than not,
that it did not happen.
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He called the case weak, said
the men were after money, or lying,
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or in one case, he'd just mistakenly
made a pass in a moment
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of real-life drama.
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The jury agreed with him.
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Hearing the verdict,
it was truly devastating.
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But it doesn't mean that
we all have to be silent.
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I can't give up on myself
and my truth, and others
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shouldn't have to either.
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It is not easy to reconcile the
not-guilty verdicts of the trials
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with my own personal experiences
from high school with Kevin.
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I'll still know that what happened
to me happened to me.
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Even though it absolves him
of having committed a crime
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in those cases,
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I know that his behaviour is not
morally or ethically acceptable.
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You know, he grabbed me and I tried
to act like it was nothing.
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And it was something, like,
it's something I shouldn't
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have went through.
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I wouldn't see it as anything
criminal.
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I just did think it was just kind
of like disgusting behaviour
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from a professional to have on set.
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When you're in a position
like that, right,
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power, celebrity, money,
like, you have to be even better
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than the average person
because you're capable of so much
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more damage
and so much more destruction
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than the average person.
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He wasn't responsible
with that power.
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He used it like a weapon.
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When I heard the verdict,
it was like getting punched
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in the face.
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But that sense of disappointment
and anger and upset crystallised
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for me the need to come
forward and tell my story.
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The baton was almost passed to me to
say, you take it up now, you push
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this story forward.
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The message to Kevin has to be -
it's over.
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You know, it's over for you.
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Because enough of us know and enough
of us agree that this is wrong
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and it can't keep happening.
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I have to respect the judicial
system, but I know his behaviour
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needs to change.
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It did not come
from his gaining power.
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It's who he is.
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My greatest fear post verdicts
is that this will empower him to do
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it again, to feel emboldened
in a sense.
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And, that can't be.
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