1 00:00:02,540 --> 00:00:06,580 This programme contains strong language and discussions 2 00:00:06,580 --> 00:00:09,420 of a sexual nature that some viewers may find distressing 3 00:00:10,820 --> 00:00:14,420 So here's the school off to our right. 4 00:00:14,420 --> 00:00:18,820 If you look through there, you can see the auditorium. 5 00:00:18,820 --> 00:00:22,180 We would rehearse in one of these permanent buildings. 6 00:00:25,020 --> 00:00:27,700 So I went to Chatsworth High School with Kevin. 7 00:00:32,180 --> 00:00:34,980 I got involved with the drama club. 8 00:00:37,340 --> 00:00:41,020 The actor with an outsized reputation 9 00:00:41,020 --> 00:00:43,260 was Kevin Fowler. 10 00:00:46,940 --> 00:00:48,820 Everybody seemed to like him, 11 00:00:48,820 --> 00:00:53,660 as well as recognise how good of an actor he was. 12 00:00:53,660 --> 00:00:56,180 He was already planning to be successful 13 00:00:56,180 --> 00:00:58,980 at that age, in high school. 14 00:00:58,980 --> 00:01:02,340 He was going to adopt his middle name as his last name, 15 00:01:02,340 --> 00:01:04,780 his middle name, Spacey. 16 00:01:04,780 --> 00:01:09,220 His personality was often inspiring. 17 00:01:09,220 --> 00:01:12,460 Jumping and yelling and stamping 18 00:01:12,460 --> 00:01:16,140 and also just goofing off with us. 19 00:01:16,140 --> 00:01:18,860 I was a kid who didn't focus very well. 20 00:01:18,860 --> 00:01:21,180 I wasn't really all that academic. 21 00:01:21,180 --> 00:01:23,540 I didn't really care that much about classes. 22 00:01:23,540 --> 00:01:26,580 I was a bit disruptive, I was the class clown. 23 00:01:26,580 --> 00:01:32,020 I would have been 16,17 at the time 24 00:01:32,020 --> 00:01:35,060 and, uh...Kevin was a year ahead. 25 00:01:36,260 --> 00:01:38,820 My interest was in girls, 26 00:01:38,820 --> 00:01:43,340 and anything theatre-related was just really exciting for me. 27 00:01:46,100 --> 00:01:49,100 Taking pictures was my way of capturing the moment. 28 00:01:50,540 --> 00:01:52,180 The people. 29 00:01:55,340 --> 00:01:58,380 Kevin here pretending he's going to choke me to death 30 00:01:58,380 --> 00:02:00,180 for continuing to take pictures. 31 00:02:05,220 --> 00:02:07,540 "Ah, Greg, you're so weird. 32 00:02:07,540 --> 00:02:11,060 "I've really watched you grow as a person and a performer. 33 00:02:12,780 --> 00:02:14,260 "My, you have 'come out'! 34 00:02:14,260 --> 00:02:16,980 "I wish you all the luck in the world. 35 00:02:16,980 --> 00:02:18,940 "You're a pretty strange guy but cool. 36 00:02:18,940 --> 00:02:20,300 "Stay good! 37 00:02:20,300 --> 00:02:21,620 "Always, Kevin Fowler." 38 00:02:24,060 --> 00:02:28,380 I don't recall if he wrote this in my yearbook, um... 39 00:02:29,500 --> 00:02:32,780 ..before the incident in the car or after. 40 00:02:35,420 --> 00:02:39,980 We were having a drama party at one of the student's houses, 41 00:02:39,980 --> 00:02:42,620 and Kevin asked for a ride. 42 00:02:42,620 --> 00:02:44,060 So I had a car. 43 00:02:45,460 --> 00:02:48,780 Pick him up, and we headed over to the party. 44 00:02:48,780 --> 00:02:51,020 And on the way to the party... 45 00:02:52,220 --> 00:02:56,700 ..he made a physical advance in the car, 46 00:02:56,700 --> 00:02:58,700 which was extremely uncomfortable. 47 00:03:00,780 --> 00:03:01,900 I'm driving. 48 00:03:04,140 --> 00:03:06,420 And he's in the passenger seat, 49 00:03:06,420 --> 00:03:09,340 reaching over...to get a feel. 50 00:03:11,900 --> 00:03:13,500 He grabbed my genitals. 51 00:03:16,540 --> 00:03:20,860 Definitely with... with intention and with purpose. 52 00:03:23,740 --> 00:03:26,660 Just...shock and surprise and... 53 00:03:27,700 --> 00:03:29,660 I was, in a sense, trapped. 54 00:03:31,260 --> 00:03:34,140 It was a very aggressive sexual move 55 00:03:34,140 --> 00:03:36,420 for that age group. 56 00:03:36,420 --> 00:03:37,980 There was no consent, 57 00:03:37,980 --> 00:03:42,540 as we ask for today or as we...expect today. 58 00:03:42,540 --> 00:03:46,980 I had no idea that he was 59 00:03:46,980 --> 00:03:49,220 interested in me sexually or... 60 00:03:51,980 --> 00:03:57,020 ..anything other than just as another theatre kid, 61 00:03:57,020 --> 00:03:58,620 like he was. 62 00:04:00,580 --> 00:04:03,220 Later on in the evening at the party, 63 00:04:03,220 --> 00:04:06,700 he then cornered me, pleading to not... 64 00:04:08,180 --> 00:04:10,700 ..mention what had happened in the car to anyone. 65 00:04:12,540 --> 00:04:15,540 At that age in Chatsworth, 66 00:04:15,540 --> 00:04:20,300 it was not accepted to be outwardly...gay. 67 00:04:21,340 --> 00:04:24,460 It was not a common thing or an accepted thing. 68 00:04:26,460 --> 00:04:30,860 He was planning to move away, to pursue acting, 69 00:04:30,860 --> 00:04:33,940 so I didn't think I would ever see him again 70 00:04:33,940 --> 00:04:35,460 after that school year anyway, 71 00:04:35,460 --> 00:04:39,780 so there was no need to drag his name through any scandal. 72 00:04:40,700 --> 00:04:43,060 I told him I wouldn't, 73 00:04:43,060 --> 00:04:46,020 just to not, you know, do anything else. 74 00:04:47,220 --> 00:04:48,260 And he didn't. 75 00:04:59,380 --> 00:05:02,460 BBC NEWS: The Hollywood star Kevin Spacey 76 00:05:02,460 --> 00:05:06,300 is found not guilty of sexually assaulting four men. 77 00:05:06,300 --> 00:05:09,180 The actor broke down in tears 78 00:05:09,180 --> 00:05:11,940 as he was cleared of all nine charges. 79 00:05:19,980 --> 00:05:21,940 I would like to say 80 00:05:21,940 --> 00:05:24,580 that I'm enormously grateful to the jury 81 00:05:24,580 --> 00:05:28,460 for having taken the time to examine all of the evidence, 82 00:05:28,460 --> 00:05:32,020 and I am humbled by the outcome today. 83 00:05:33,420 --> 00:05:35,900 REPORTER: The star leaves court an innocent man. 84 00:05:35,900 --> 00:05:40,220 he will hope he can resume a career that reached the highest levels. 85 00:05:45,860 --> 00:05:48,820 He just had these real dead eyes looking at me, 86 00:05:48,820 --> 00:05:53,140 and I just felt like I was staring into, like, a soulless monster. 87 00:05:58,180 --> 00:06:03,180 It was cold in a way that almost was inhuman. 88 00:06:09,900 --> 00:06:12,980 Your first reaction is not violence. 89 00:06:12,980 --> 00:06:17,300 You feel like you brought it on to yourself and you feel shame. 90 00:06:23,980 --> 00:06:26,300 It was all about, "I can do this. 91 00:06:26,300 --> 00:06:29,180 "I can do this to you, I'm Kevin Spacey." 92 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:46,940 Now, we've become accustomed to Hollywood stars 93 00:06:46,940 --> 00:06:49,300 coming over here to tread the boards. 94 00:06:49,300 --> 00:06:51,340 Well, the Oscar-winning actor Kevin Spacey 95 00:06:51,340 --> 00:06:54,980 has taken his love affair with the British theatre one stage further. 96 00:06:54,980 --> 00:06:57,700 To find myself in the role of director of the Old Vic 97 00:06:57,700 --> 00:06:59,940 is beyond my wildest imaginings. 98 00:07:07,820 --> 00:07:10,500 The Old Vic was on its last legs, 99 00:07:10,500 --> 00:07:14,060 but then when Kevin came on board, it became the place to be. 100 00:07:18,540 --> 00:07:22,580 He was the...cash cow, if you like. 101 00:07:22,580 --> 00:07:26,220 The true test is whether he can get the punters through the doors 102 00:07:26,220 --> 00:07:28,860 and earn this place the money it so desperately needs. 103 00:07:28,860 --> 00:07:32,940 Holes in the roof mean the audience has to dodge the rain. 104 00:07:32,940 --> 00:07:38,460 Who's going to buy, you know, a £25,000 ticket at a gala 105 00:07:38,460 --> 00:07:40,180 to come and sit at the Old Vic, 106 00:07:40,180 --> 00:07:42,780 unless...there is the opportunity 107 00:07:42,780 --> 00:07:45,980 to be near the lustre of this Hollywood star? 108 00:07:55,380 --> 00:07:57,700 I sort of got to the end of, you know, '99, 109 00:07:57,700 --> 00:07:58,860 American Beauty had come out, 110 00:07:58,860 --> 00:08:01,180 and I was like, "Well, that kind of went better than I could have hoped. 111 00:08:01,180 --> 00:08:03,500 "Now what am I supposed to do?" 112 00:08:03,500 --> 00:08:06,420 And I just thought, "No, I think I want another dream." 113 00:08:08,940 --> 00:08:11,260 When I first arrived at the Old Vic, 114 00:08:11,260 --> 00:08:13,700 I was very excited to see him onstage 115 00:08:13,700 --> 00:08:17,660 and learn from someone who was, you know, very talented. 116 00:08:17,660 --> 00:08:21,300 He just had stage presence like no other person. 117 00:08:21,300 --> 00:08:24,220 He knew how to manipulate his audience, 118 00:08:24,220 --> 00:08:27,780 to, you know, kind of almost have them under his spell. 119 00:08:27,780 --> 00:08:29,100 It was a dream, you know - 120 00:08:29,100 --> 00:08:31,860 it was a dream for the Old Vic, a dream for everybody. 121 00:08:31,860 --> 00:08:34,540 Listen, I wasn't doing anything glamorous. 122 00:08:34,540 --> 00:08:38,220 I was selling ice creams, I was helping people get to their seats. 123 00:08:38,220 --> 00:08:40,540 And during this time, 124 00:08:40,540 --> 00:08:43,580 there was a pantomime going on called Cinderella. 125 00:08:43,580 --> 00:08:46,820 It was a very family atmosphere, 126 00:08:46,820 --> 00:08:50,420 but it was a really, really great show. 127 00:08:50,420 --> 00:08:54,100 I was working in the stalls, 128 00:08:54,100 --> 00:08:56,820 on the right-hand side. 129 00:08:56,820 --> 00:09:00,500 It was my job to guard the door to check who was coming in. 130 00:09:00,500 --> 00:09:05,100 And so he'd come back into the stalls and just watch 131 00:09:05,100 --> 00:09:06,340 and then all of a sudden... 132 00:09:08,820 --> 00:09:12,580 ..he, like... 133 00:09:12,580 --> 00:09:16,060 ..had somehow wedged his whole body 134 00:09:16,060 --> 00:09:21,260 inside this tiny little gap, like right here. 135 00:09:21,260 --> 00:09:23,940 I didn't even know you could fit a person in this little gap, 136 00:09:23,940 --> 00:09:28,340 because it really was just a kind of a cove where the usher would sit. 137 00:09:28,340 --> 00:09:31,340 And I remember just, like, moving, like, slightly over, 138 00:09:31,340 --> 00:09:34,100 thinking, "Oh, maybe he doesn't realise how much gap there is." 139 00:09:34,100 --> 00:09:36,020 You just see the brightness of the stage, 140 00:09:36,020 --> 00:09:37,820 and everything is very, very dark. 141 00:09:40,340 --> 00:09:41,700 But then... 142 00:09:42,900 --> 00:09:47,260 And because of where I was sitting, and he was standing... 143 00:09:47,260 --> 00:09:48,780 HE SIGHS 144 00:09:48,780 --> 00:09:53,100 ..I felt like his whole groin push on my face. 145 00:09:58,700 --> 00:10:03,100 There's someone that I had tremendous respect for, 146 00:10:03,100 --> 00:10:05,500 and he was pushing his groin on my face 147 00:10:05,500 --> 00:10:07,900 during whilst I was working. 148 00:10:09,180 --> 00:10:12,500 Whilst the pantomime was going on with families and children. 149 00:10:12,500 --> 00:10:15,900 And I could...smell him. 150 00:10:18,460 --> 00:10:21,380 I could feel him getting pleasure by it. 151 00:10:23,020 --> 00:10:27,380 I froze just in a way that I... I couldn't move. 152 00:10:29,660 --> 00:10:30,740 And I just... 153 00:10:31,740 --> 00:10:33,540 ..felt so small. 154 00:10:34,780 --> 00:10:38,540 I started to get, like, scared of coming to work. 155 00:10:38,540 --> 00:10:40,500 "Is it going to happen again today?" 156 00:10:40,500 --> 00:10:44,340 He had this, like, look of intent now with me 157 00:10:44,340 --> 00:10:48,260 since that incident that still kind of haunts me, 158 00:10:48,260 --> 00:10:51,660 like...like he owned part of me. 159 00:10:51,660 --> 00:10:53,620 There was continual moments where... 160 00:10:54,740 --> 00:10:59,140 ..he would, like, touch me, like, from behind 161 00:10:59,140 --> 00:11:03,940 or brush himself across me in a way that was completely uninvited. 162 00:11:05,660 --> 00:11:08,180 I remember, like, a pressing, 163 00:11:08,180 --> 00:11:13,740 a form of, like, something, like, going inside of my trousers 164 00:11:13,740 --> 00:11:18,140 and just being like jolted, like perked. 165 00:11:18,140 --> 00:11:22,700 And I remember it getting closer and closer and more intimate 166 00:11:22,700 --> 00:11:23,700 and like... 167 00:11:25,460 --> 00:11:26,980 Oh, God, I mean... 168 00:11:30,420 --> 00:11:34,780 I just thought, "What have I done to deserve this, you know? 169 00:11:34,780 --> 00:11:36,180 "How can you get on that stage? 170 00:11:37,420 --> 00:11:39,220 "How can you sleep at night?" 171 00:11:42,540 --> 00:11:44,100 Oh, it's just... 172 00:11:45,260 --> 00:11:47,180 It's such an invasion of... 173 00:11:49,420 --> 00:11:50,780 ..a human being. 174 00:11:50,780 --> 00:11:54,340 I just felt like a piece of meat. 175 00:11:54,340 --> 00:11:56,180 There was no relationship. 176 00:11:56,180 --> 00:11:58,980 It was all about, "I can do this. 177 00:11:58,980 --> 00:12:02,340 "I can do this to you, I'm Kevin Spacey." 178 00:12:04,740 --> 00:12:07,020 Please say hello to Kevin Spacey! 179 00:12:07,020 --> 00:12:09,460 CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 180 00:12:12,740 --> 00:12:14,500 How long have you been in London now? 181 00:12:14,500 --> 00:12:16,500 I moved there in 2003. 182 00:12:16,500 --> 00:12:18,900 Not only have they welcomed you over there, 183 00:12:18,900 --> 00:12:23,420 but the royal family, they gave you a necklace? 184 00:12:23,420 --> 00:12:25,740 Yeah. CHEERING AND APPLAUSE 185 00:12:25,740 --> 00:12:27,140 Yeah. It's a... 186 00:12:27,140 --> 00:12:29,980 What medal is this? This is a... 187 00:12:29,980 --> 00:12:32,580 It's a little royal bling. 188 00:12:32,580 --> 00:12:33,940 Yeah! 189 00:12:33,940 --> 00:12:37,140 And what it's called, is it's called a CBE... 190 00:12:37,140 --> 00:12:39,540 CBE. ..which is an honorary knighthood. 191 00:12:39,540 --> 00:12:40,980 It's actually... It's rather nice. 192 00:12:40,980 --> 00:12:43,020 To see on Jimmy Kimmel 193 00:12:43,020 --> 00:12:45,940 that he had received an award from the royal family 194 00:12:45,940 --> 00:12:50,020 for his services to British theatre, it really hurt. 195 00:12:50,020 --> 00:12:54,420 I think we can't underestimate the power he has and had, 196 00:12:54,420 --> 00:12:57,300 and I think that was a moment when I knew I couldn't speak up. 197 00:13:05,771 --> 00:13:08,691 Good morning, everyone. How is everyone? How are you? 198 00:13:08,691 --> 00:13:10,571 Let's just keep moving around, 199 00:13:10,571 --> 00:13:13,891 and we might do an exercise that I rather like... 200 00:13:13,891 --> 00:13:16,411 MELVYN BRAGG: Central to his artistic mission at the Old Vic 201 00:13:16,411 --> 00:13:20,251 is his commitment to developing new audiences and emerging talent 202 00:13:20,251 --> 00:13:22,971 through the Old Vic's New Voices programme. 203 00:13:22,971 --> 00:13:26,131 It was about sending the elevator back down, 204 00:13:26,131 --> 00:13:27,651 and I always loved that saying, 205 00:13:27,651 --> 00:13:31,011 that's why it's still burned into my memory. 206 00:13:31,011 --> 00:13:34,051 If you've done well in the business you wanted to do well in, 207 00:13:34,051 --> 00:13:35,411 if you've been successful, 208 00:13:35,411 --> 00:13:38,531 then it's your obligation to spend a good portion of your time 209 00:13:38,531 --> 00:13:41,211 sending the elevator back down. 210 00:13:41,211 --> 00:13:45,611 He would say it in interviews and all sorts of promotion material. 211 00:13:45,611 --> 00:13:49,331 That was the philosophy that the great Jack Lemmon passed down to me. 212 00:13:49,331 --> 00:13:51,691 I'll never forget when I was just 13, 213 00:13:51,691 --> 00:13:54,051 I got the chance to do a workshop with Mr Lemmon, 214 00:13:54,051 --> 00:13:55,971 and after I did a scene, he walked up to me, 215 00:13:55,971 --> 00:13:57,171 he put his hand on my shoulder, 216 00:13:57,171 --> 00:13:59,011 and he said, "That was a touch of terrific." 217 00:13:59,011 --> 00:14:02,571 And it was really the beginning of discovering my own potential. 218 00:14:02,571 --> 00:14:07,051 We were aiming at young people aged 18 to 26. 219 00:14:07,051 --> 00:14:10,891 Welcome to the fourth year 220 00:14:10,891 --> 00:14:15,611 of the Old Vic New Voices 24 Hour Plays Gala. 221 00:14:15,611 --> 00:14:18,291 He was always, you know, giving good advice, 222 00:14:18,291 --> 00:14:22,211 and they were always so starry-eyed and wide-eyed. 223 00:14:22,211 --> 00:14:24,531 They were like puppy dogs, you know, 224 00:14:24,531 --> 00:14:27,651 drinking from the fountain of, you know, knowledge. 225 00:14:27,651 --> 00:14:30,011 We're all big fans of Kevin, cos we all, 226 00:14:30,011 --> 00:14:33,131 most of us go to Julliard, where Kevin went long ago. 227 00:14:33,131 --> 00:14:36,011 It's really great, cos we're front row right now 228 00:14:36,011 --> 00:14:37,971 and we can touch him if we wanted to. 229 00:14:37,971 --> 00:14:40,771 Anybody, anybody, anybody, anybody, don't be shy. 230 00:14:40,771 --> 00:14:43,291 It's always interesting when I'm in a workshop, 231 00:14:43,291 --> 00:14:45,651 and I'm always looking for the shy kid in the corner, 232 00:14:45,651 --> 00:14:47,371 because that was me when I grew up 233 00:14:47,371 --> 00:14:50,371 and I started doing these kinds of workshops. Yeah. 234 00:14:52,651 --> 00:14:54,971 We're invited to go and do a workshop 235 00:14:54,971 --> 00:14:57,251 with Kevin at the Old Vic. 236 00:14:57,251 --> 00:14:58,371 It's amazing. 237 00:14:58,371 --> 00:15:00,651 We're standing on the stage, 238 00:15:00,651 --> 00:15:03,851 and we're with Kevin Spacey, 239 00:15:03,851 --> 00:15:06,171 and there's this feeling 240 00:15:06,171 --> 00:15:08,531 of anything's possible in those moments, 241 00:15:08,531 --> 00:15:12,411 because you're rubbing shoulders with such success. 242 00:15:12,411 --> 00:15:16,811 We sat down on the floor in a circle all together first. 243 00:15:16,811 --> 00:15:19,811 "Say your name and something about yourself" sort of thing. 244 00:15:19,811 --> 00:15:22,571 And I was leant back like this, 245 00:15:22,571 --> 00:15:26,011 and the first thing I can recall happening 246 00:15:26,011 --> 00:15:28,571 is that Kevin put his hand on my hand. 247 00:15:28,571 --> 00:15:30,891 Then we all got up 248 00:15:30,891 --> 00:15:34,091 and started taking it in turns to do the scene work. 249 00:15:34,091 --> 00:15:36,811 And the thing I remember about that particular moment 250 00:15:36,811 --> 00:15:40,651 is seeing him look like he was interested in the scenes, 251 00:15:40,651 --> 00:15:43,971 but actually he was sort of just working his way around the room, 252 00:15:43,971 --> 00:15:45,931 putting his arm around 253 00:15:45,931 --> 00:15:49,051 what seems to be the most handsome guys in the space. 254 00:15:49,051 --> 00:15:52,971 One of them he hugged quite aggressively. 255 00:15:52,971 --> 00:15:56,051 And then a little bit more time goes on, 256 00:15:56,051 --> 00:15:58,571 and it's my turn to do my scene. 257 00:15:58,571 --> 00:16:02,651 And then Kevin came right into my personal space, 258 00:16:02,651 --> 00:16:08,331 and I remember being held by... by him, both my arms were held, 259 00:16:08,331 --> 00:16:14,051 and he whispered, in my ear, something along the lines of... 260 00:16:14,051 --> 00:16:16,851 "You don't give a fuck about what she has to say. 261 00:16:16,851 --> 00:16:19,211 "You just want to fuck her in the ass." 262 00:16:21,251 --> 00:16:24,731 I just felt his body up against my body. 263 00:16:24,731 --> 00:16:27,251 I think his penis was against my leg. 264 00:16:27,251 --> 00:16:30,491 I mean, it's...it's horrible. 265 00:16:30,491 --> 00:16:33,691 The cynical part of my brain says that 266 00:16:33,691 --> 00:16:37,411 we were all invited under false pretences 267 00:16:37,411 --> 00:16:40,931 to do a scene study on... 268 00:16:42,611 --> 00:16:44,251 ..the play they were doing, 269 00:16:44,251 --> 00:16:47,571 but actually he was just there deciding who he'd like to... 270 00:16:48,691 --> 00:16:50,371 ..to flirt with next. 271 00:16:52,611 --> 00:16:54,971 This is more than a job, 272 00:16:54,971 --> 00:16:58,091 because I'm finally doing something that is outside of my own career 273 00:16:58,091 --> 00:17:00,571 and bigger than myself, 274 00:17:00,571 --> 00:17:03,451 and I'm able to see the effects it has on people's lives 275 00:17:03,451 --> 00:17:06,091 every single day. 276 00:17:16,171 --> 00:17:19,371 So I was in my fourth year at school 277 00:17:19,371 --> 00:17:23,691 where he came in to do a workshop 278 00:17:23,691 --> 00:17:26,971 on Shakespeare monologues. 279 00:17:26,971 --> 00:17:29,331 It was huge, I was thrilled, 280 00:17:29,331 --> 00:17:31,691 and I wanted him to think that I was good. 281 00:17:31,691 --> 00:17:36,051 He came over to me, encouraging me and saying, 282 00:17:36,051 --> 00:17:38,371 he said, "Well, if you ever want to 283 00:17:38,371 --> 00:17:40,931 "work on any of your audition material, 284 00:17:40,931 --> 00:17:42,691 "we could do that." 285 00:17:42,691 --> 00:17:45,971 It struck me as such an extraordinary offer. 286 00:17:45,971 --> 00:17:50,411 He was trying to find a way for us to meet up. 287 00:17:50,411 --> 00:17:52,491 And I said, "Oh, I'm going to see 288 00:17:52,491 --> 00:17:55,251 "the third year performing their Shakespeare, 289 00:17:55,251 --> 00:17:56,931 "so I can't." 290 00:17:56,931 --> 00:18:00,451 And he said, "Well, we can go together." 291 00:18:00,451 --> 00:18:03,851 So, you know, we're in this dark theatre together. 292 00:18:03,851 --> 00:18:08,211 He would just very casually but frequently 293 00:18:08,211 --> 00:18:10,691 lean over to me next to him 294 00:18:10,691 --> 00:18:14,691 and sort of whisper in my ear, very close, 295 00:18:14,691 --> 00:18:17,611 frequent enough and close enough 296 00:18:17,611 --> 00:18:21,971 and lingering enough that... it was pretty clear. 297 00:18:21,971 --> 00:18:23,931 And then if that wasn't clear, 298 00:18:23,931 --> 00:18:27,571 him putting his hand on my thigh and my intimate... 299 00:18:27,571 --> 00:18:32,411 the inner part of my thigh... was crystal clear. 300 00:18:32,411 --> 00:18:37,291 I felt this was about pursuit and sex. 301 00:18:37,291 --> 00:18:42,171 It brought up all kinds of those emotions of guilt and shame, 302 00:18:42,171 --> 00:18:45,371 and somehow I let this happen, 303 00:18:45,371 --> 00:18:49,771 and that those feelings sort of supplant 304 00:18:49,771 --> 00:18:56,171 or kind of grow overtop of thinking he should be ashamed. 305 00:18:56,171 --> 00:18:57,771 It was about a six-month period 306 00:18:57,771 --> 00:19:00,211 where I would say, every couple of weeks or so, 307 00:19:00,211 --> 00:19:02,771 I would get voicemails. 308 00:19:02,771 --> 00:19:04,411 He was running the Old Vic at the time, 309 00:19:04,411 --> 00:19:07,491 so he wasn't always around. 310 00:19:07,491 --> 00:19:11,891 "Hey, I'm in town and I've got this party. 311 00:19:11,891 --> 00:19:14,691 "Hey, I'm in town, and I'm going to this premiere. 312 00:19:14,691 --> 00:19:18,211 "Hey, I'm in town and I'm staying at this hotel with tennis courts, 313 00:19:18,211 --> 00:19:23,411 "and we could play and have a steam in the steam bath afterwards." 314 00:19:23,411 --> 00:19:25,251 I don't want this. 315 00:19:25,251 --> 00:19:28,411 I'm not interested in this, I'm creeped out by this. 316 00:19:28,411 --> 00:19:31,131 But he's still this person 317 00:19:31,131 --> 00:19:33,811 who has power and influence 318 00:19:33,811 --> 00:19:37,251 and who was literally my teacher last week. 319 00:19:38,891 --> 00:19:40,451 It's really hard 320 00:19:40,451 --> 00:19:44,811 to feel as though you can say no to that person, 321 00:19:44,811 --> 00:19:47,691 if he's willing and interested 322 00:19:47,691 --> 00:19:50,891 in exploiting that kind of power position 323 00:19:50,891 --> 00:19:55,211 for, you know, his own desires. 324 00:19:55,211 --> 00:19:57,931 I just don't think that's...right. 325 00:20:16,790 --> 00:20:19,510 And this is Kevin, my brother, 326 00:20:19,510 --> 00:20:22,790 and we were both just standing there looking off into the distance. 327 00:20:25,190 --> 00:20:28,790 We just seemed to have bonded so closely. 328 00:20:28,790 --> 00:20:31,550 For so many years, we were close. 329 00:20:32,830 --> 00:20:36,390 But as soon as you introduced our parents into the formula, 330 00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:42,310 the dynamics just became... stifling, squished. 331 00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:47,470 I think what happened to us, how we drifted apart, 332 00:20:47,470 --> 00:20:48,910 it makes me sad. 333 00:20:51,310 --> 00:20:53,550 In 1969... 334 00:20:54,630 --> 00:20:58,270 ..it was the summer, that's when it first started. 335 00:20:59,950 --> 00:21:02,550 My father took me up to the master bedroom... 336 00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:05,350 ..and raped me. 337 00:21:05,350 --> 00:21:09,230 He sodomised me, he gave me oral sex. 338 00:21:10,830 --> 00:21:13,550 I was screaming for my mother. 339 00:21:14,830 --> 00:21:16,870 And my mother came upstairs, 340 00:21:16,870 --> 00:21:19,110 and the bedroom door was locked. 341 00:21:20,510 --> 00:21:22,870 She goes, "What's going on in there?" 342 00:21:22,870 --> 00:21:26,590 My mother's banging on the door, and my father... 343 00:21:27,710 --> 00:21:32,070 ..put his arm up against my neck and threw me against the wall 344 00:21:32,070 --> 00:21:34,390 and says, "Don't say a word." 345 00:21:34,390 --> 00:21:38,750 And then all of a sudden, there was silence, 346 00:21:38,750 --> 00:21:40,550 and she just walked away. 347 00:21:43,430 --> 00:21:46,230 I was only 13, 14 years old. 348 00:21:50,270 --> 00:21:54,710 This kind of nonsense went on for years, 349 00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:59,870 and it wasn't until 1971 I just said, 350 00:21:59,870 --> 00:22:01,350 "No. 351 00:22:02,350 --> 00:22:05,190 "This has to stop now." 352 00:22:07,430 --> 00:22:09,470 And I threatened him. 353 00:22:09,470 --> 00:22:14,710 And I said, "If you ever lay a hand on Kevin, 354 00:22:14,710 --> 00:22:16,950 "I'm going to tell mother." 355 00:22:18,790 --> 00:22:23,070 And that was the last sexual abuse. 356 00:22:24,110 --> 00:22:26,870 When I moved out in 1975, 357 00:22:26,870 --> 00:22:29,790 I kind of felt guilty, 358 00:22:29,790 --> 00:22:32,270 but I couldn't take it any longer. 359 00:22:32,270 --> 00:22:33,870 "What about Kevin? 360 00:22:33,870 --> 00:22:36,870 "What's going to happen to my little brother?" 361 00:22:36,870 --> 00:22:39,230 But then I started thinking about it, 362 00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:42,710 realising that how close my mother was to Kevin, 363 00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:45,270 that I thought that she would protect him. 364 00:22:46,430 --> 00:22:49,390 I just had to take a chance that he would be OK. 365 00:22:50,830 --> 00:22:54,350 But just because he wasn't being abused 366 00:22:54,350 --> 00:22:58,270 doesn't mean that there wasn't psychological trauma 367 00:22:58,270 --> 00:23:04,270 going on within him from the strange family life we had. 368 00:23:11,230 --> 00:23:15,070 It is only in the theatre experience that you can create families 369 00:23:15,070 --> 00:23:17,630 and really lasting relationships. 370 00:23:17,630 --> 00:23:19,990 So having moved to London, 371 00:23:19,990 --> 00:23:22,990 the Old Vic, it's the best job I've ever had, 372 00:23:22,990 --> 00:23:26,750 cos I get to bring people together and be a part of creating a family. 373 00:23:35,350 --> 00:23:37,670 I wanted to be the best in the world. 374 00:23:37,670 --> 00:23:39,230 I got an agent, 375 00:23:39,230 --> 00:23:42,110 and then I had an audition for World War Z 376 00:23:42,110 --> 00:23:43,710 with Brad Pitt. 377 00:23:43,710 --> 00:23:44,830 Stay close. 378 00:23:49,110 --> 00:23:51,470 I'm the guy with the gun! 379 00:23:51,470 --> 00:23:53,750 Nice little close-up. 380 00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:55,230 I got a call from my agent, 381 00:23:55,230 --> 00:23:59,870 and it was an offer for Sweet Bird Of Youth at the Old Vic in London. 382 00:23:59,870 --> 00:24:03,590 There's not many gigs in Theatreland 383 00:24:03,590 --> 00:24:07,390 that are better than a summer show at the Old Vic, 384 00:24:07,390 --> 00:24:09,990 so I just put everything into it. 385 00:24:12,070 --> 00:24:14,870 And being the youngest in a cast like that, 386 00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:16,910 the pressure that I put on myself. 387 00:24:16,910 --> 00:24:18,190 "Don't fuck this up. 388 00:24:18,190 --> 00:24:20,990 "Do a really good job and you might get to do this again 389 00:24:20,990 --> 00:24:23,470 "in a Kevin Spacey show at the Old Vic." 390 00:24:23,470 --> 00:24:26,750 Everything is building up to that press night, 391 00:24:26,750 --> 00:24:30,510 as close as you can get to a Hollywood premiere. 392 00:24:30,510 --> 00:24:33,390 So I go over to my dressing room, 393 00:24:33,390 --> 00:24:35,790 and there's a knock at the door. 394 00:24:35,790 --> 00:24:37,790 Kevin's assistant comes in and says, 395 00:24:37,790 --> 00:24:40,110 "Ruari, this is from Kevin." 396 00:24:40,110 --> 00:24:44,510 And I opened the box, and it had a little card from Kevin, 397 00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:48,830 and it said, "Ruari - Happy Opening! K." 398 00:24:52,390 --> 00:24:53,830 And a gift. 399 00:24:55,230 --> 00:24:57,550 I don't know how much it costs, 400 00:24:57,550 --> 00:25:03,430 but it's an original poster of Sweet Bird Of Youth. 401 00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:07,230 And there was a real silence in the room. 402 00:25:07,230 --> 00:25:09,870 I felt a little bit embarrassed, if I'm being honest. 403 00:25:09,870 --> 00:25:12,110 APPLAUSE BUILDS 404 00:25:18,430 --> 00:25:19,990 So show finishes, 405 00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:22,630 and there's immediately the press night after-party. 406 00:25:25,390 --> 00:25:28,430 We made our way down to the Savoy. 407 00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:33,550 When you walk in, on your left, 408 00:25:33,550 --> 00:25:38,070 you have the nation's photographers from every newspaper, 409 00:25:38,070 --> 00:25:40,390 getting photographs of people, 410 00:25:40,390 --> 00:25:43,150 and there's people standing there from the cast, 411 00:25:43,150 --> 00:25:45,470 famous people who had been invited to the press night. 412 00:25:45,470 --> 00:25:47,870 And I see Kevin. 413 00:25:47,870 --> 00:25:51,270 And so I did what I felt like I had to do. 414 00:25:53,150 --> 00:25:55,510 I walked up to him, and I put my hand out, 415 00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:59,350 and I said, "Thank you so much for the gift, Kevin." 416 00:25:59,350 --> 00:26:05,110 And...he pulled me in very close with his right hand... 417 00:26:06,830 --> 00:26:09,150 ..and sort of turned me 45 degrees. 418 00:26:10,390 --> 00:26:12,750 Now, I don't know that that was to hide from the cameras, 419 00:26:12,750 --> 00:26:15,190 but I can only assume that was what he was trying to do. 420 00:26:15,190 --> 00:26:18,430 And he put his left hand down by my... 421 00:26:20,670 --> 00:26:21,990 ..my-my bum. 422 00:26:23,310 --> 00:26:26,350 And he stuck his middle finger 423 00:26:26,350 --> 00:26:29,550 as far up...me as possible. 424 00:26:33,270 --> 00:26:34,310 Erm... 425 00:26:38,310 --> 00:26:39,790 I was wearing a suit, so... 426 00:26:41,630 --> 00:26:44,230 ..he took up the recessed material 427 00:26:44,230 --> 00:26:47,470 and just tried to go up through my boxers, up inside me. 428 00:26:47,470 --> 00:26:49,310 I just totally froze. 429 00:26:49,310 --> 00:26:52,510 He pulled me in closer in his ear, in my ear, he whispered, 430 00:26:52,510 --> 00:26:54,830 "Don't worry about it." 431 00:26:54,830 --> 00:26:58,190 He did that, and then he, just like a shark, 432 00:26:58,190 --> 00:26:59,670 just moved straight through 433 00:26:59,670 --> 00:27:03,110 and moved into Kevin mode at a press night, 434 00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:04,710 so went and took pictures. 435 00:27:06,430 --> 00:27:09,510 And it's horrible to know that, like, you're doing that one second, 436 00:27:09,510 --> 00:27:12,750 and the next minute you're carrying on like nothing's happened. 437 00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:15,030 It feels like you're invisible. 438 00:27:15,030 --> 00:27:16,790 I can see all the photographers, 439 00:27:16,790 --> 00:27:19,790 and there's, like, all these eyes and all these faces, 440 00:27:19,790 --> 00:27:21,830 and you're moving through them, 441 00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:26,590 and you just want, er... someone to help you. 442 00:27:32,510 --> 00:27:36,190 I stopped... putting in work for auditions. 443 00:27:37,670 --> 00:27:40,190 Staying in bed all day. 444 00:27:40,190 --> 00:27:41,750 You just go like that. 445 00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:44,710 What's the point? 446 00:27:44,710 --> 00:27:48,070 There was a naivety there of feeling like you were on a mission 447 00:27:48,070 --> 00:27:50,430 to become the best actor in the world, 448 00:27:50,430 --> 00:27:54,190 but as soon as you get made to feel, like, that small, 449 00:27:54,190 --> 00:27:58,950 you're almost muted, you know, your voice gets smaller. 450 00:27:58,950 --> 00:28:01,270 I didn't feel like I was in an environment, 451 00:28:01,270 --> 00:28:02,310 if I did tell someone, 452 00:28:02,310 --> 00:28:04,790 they would have believed me or even supported me. 453 00:28:06,510 --> 00:28:09,790 This was a London theatre with an A-list star... 454 00:28:11,150 --> 00:28:12,630 ..and they worshipped him. 455 00:28:14,270 --> 00:28:17,750 From that point on, I don't see my career as anything else 456 00:28:17,750 --> 00:28:20,790 other than just sort of darting around the edges of... 457 00:28:22,630 --> 00:28:28,990 ..quite substantial addiction issues and relationship issues. 458 00:28:42,070 --> 00:28:45,470 Now to Washington's obsession with a show 459 00:28:45,470 --> 00:28:47,990 that happens to make Washington look like a den of vipers. 460 00:28:47,990 --> 00:28:50,910 Yeah, it's called House Of cards, and it's available on Netflix, 461 00:28:50,910 --> 00:28:53,550 and it stars Kevin Spacey. 462 00:28:53,550 --> 00:28:56,630 Netflix was the DVD delivery company 463 00:28:56,630 --> 00:28:59,710 that, like, my parents signed up for. 464 00:28:59,710 --> 00:29:02,070 They had transitioned into streaming, 465 00:29:02,070 --> 00:29:05,070 and then Netflix is now going to be making their own TV shows, 466 00:29:05,070 --> 00:29:07,430 and House Of Cards was one of the first. 467 00:29:07,430 --> 00:29:12,270 Netflix has made a loud and pricey statement that they've arrived, 468 00:29:12,270 --> 00:29:16,190 betting $100 million on a project with Kevin Spacey. 469 00:29:20,910 --> 00:29:23,830 What about my guest tonight? Academy Award-winning actor, 470 00:29:23,830 --> 00:29:26,150 his Netflix series, now showing its second season, 471 00:29:26,150 --> 00:29:27,590 is called House Of Cards. 472 00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:30,510 Please welcome back to the programme Kevin Spacey! 473 00:29:30,510 --> 00:29:33,830 Kevin Spacey was on every chat show. 474 00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:38,230 He was on The Daily Show, Jon Stewart loved him. 475 00:29:38,230 --> 00:29:42,870 You Machiavellian piece of BLEEP, you conniving... 476 00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:44,510 It's so good! 477 00:29:46,150 --> 00:29:49,750 So my role in relation to Kevin is, I was the first team PA on set, 478 00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:54,390 which meant that I had eyes on Kevin pretty much all of the time. 479 00:29:54,390 --> 00:29:57,150 I had never been so close 480 00:29:57,150 --> 00:30:03,550 to a performer that commanded the room in such a way, 481 00:30:03,550 --> 00:30:05,150 and I was just so blown away by it. 482 00:30:05,150 --> 00:30:08,510 It was literally the last scene of season two. 483 00:30:08,510 --> 00:30:10,470 Frank has finally 484 00:30:10,470 --> 00:30:12,510 become the president through all of the scheming, 485 00:30:12,510 --> 00:30:16,470 and he's taking his first moment inside the Oval Office. 486 00:30:16,470 --> 00:30:18,550 You just see him settling into 487 00:30:18,550 --> 00:30:21,710 this, like, power he has worked so hard for, 488 00:30:21,710 --> 00:30:24,150 and at the very end of it, 489 00:30:24,150 --> 00:30:26,710 he just looks dead in the camera 490 00:30:26,710 --> 00:30:28,950 and smacks his fist on the table. 491 00:30:33,270 --> 00:30:36,510 You felt the oxygen, all the oxygen in that room, 492 00:30:36,510 --> 00:30:37,950 focus on him. 493 00:30:37,950 --> 00:30:40,510 And cut! Nice! 494 00:30:40,510 --> 00:30:43,630 It was like, "Oh, this is how you win Oscars." 495 00:30:44,790 --> 00:30:48,030 I'm having the time of my life working on it. 496 00:30:48,030 --> 00:30:50,470 Literally every day is just a joy to work on. 497 00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:56,710 Well, I wish things were that ruthlessly efficient. 498 00:30:56,710 --> 00:31:00,830 LAUGHTER 499 00:31:00,830 --> 00:31:03,590 It's true, I was looking at Kevin Spacey, 500 00:31:03,590 --> 00:31:06,950 I was thinking, "This guy's getting a lot of stuff done." 501 00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:11,350 I loved working on House Of Cards, I adored working on that set. 502 00:31:11,350 --> 00:31:14,950 But, um, the behaviour that was going on 503 00:31:14,950 --> 00:31:17,710 also made it a hostile work environment 504 00:31:17,710 --> 00:31:19,590 for a lot of people. 505 00:31:22,790 --> 00:31:26,590 I thought he was, like, incredible. You know? 506 00:31:26,590 --> 00:31:29,790 He just had this this aura about him on screen, 507 00:31:29,790 --> 00:31:33,070 but then we're on the other side of the set, 508 00:31:33,070 --> 00:31:36,390 and right there in that moment, at a workplace, 509 00:31:36,390 --> 00:31:38,670 I was inappropriately touched. 510 00:31:38,670 --> 00:31:40,110 It was kind of shocking. 511 00:31:40,110 --> 00:31:43,550 It was like seeing someone just kind of shift in front of you, 512 00:31:43,550 --> 00:31:46,590 and I just remember he just had these very cold eyes, 513 00:31:46,590 --> 00:31:48,150 like empty, soulless. 514 00:31:50,590 --> 00:31:54,430 I caught him in this moment where there was the real Kevin. 515 00:32:01,230 --> 00:32:04,230 The issue of Kevin was certainly well known. 516 00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:06,910 It was like, "Oh, yeah, that's the thing." 517 00:32:06,910 --> 00:32:09,310 "That's what happens here." 518 00:32:09,310 --> 00:32:12,870 The issues surrounding Kevin were typically with men. 519 00:32:12,870 --> 00:32:15,830 Both myself and the base-camp production assistant, 520 00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:17,230 we were both women. 521 00:32:17,230 --> 00:32:20,910 It's all very coded, but it was implied to me 522 00:32:20,910 --> 00:32:22,790 that it was to account for the fact 523 00:32:22,790 --> 00:32:25,830 that there was, quote-unquote, you know, bad behaviour, 524 00:32:25,830 --> 00:32:27,910 and they wanted to make sure 525 00:32:27,910 --> 00:32:30,230 that they weren't putting someone in too close proximity 526 00:32:30,230 --> 00:32:32,310 where it could happen again. 527 00:32:32,310 --> 00:32:36,150 I would often see him walk up to performers, 528 00:32:36,150 --> 00:32:39,270 walk up to, like, background actors we had on set, 529 00:32:39,270 --> 00:32:42,710 and he would, you know, kind of get very close 530 00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:45,350 and clearly be like engaging with them in this way. 531 00:32:45,350 --> 00:32:48,190 I would see him, you know, put a hand on like an arm 532 00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:50,510 and, like, talk about their muscles. 533 00:32:50,510 --> 00:32:53,950 You know, there would be kind of that kind of grabby flirtatiousness 534 00:32:53,950 --> 00:32:57,190 would happen if he felt like he could get away with it. 535 00:32:57,190 --> 00:33:02,230 There were crew members that were made to feel very uncomfortable. 536 00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:04,990 So one of the feelings that you get 537 00:33:04,990 --> 00:33:07,350 when you're a woman in this environment 538 00:33:07,350 --> 00:33:09,150 where you're used to being the one who's the target is, 539 00:33:09,150 --> 00:33:11,510 "Wow, at least it's not me." 540 00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:14,390 But then you're seeing it happen to other people, 541 00:33:14,390 --> 00:33:17,150 and that's not that's not something you want to be happening either. 542 00:33:18,470 --> 00:33:21,990 We had a crew member who Kevin was particularly fixed on, 543 00:33:21,990 --> 00:33:25,110 and he was he was spending so much time going up to this person, 544 00:33:25,110 --> 00:33:27,590 trying to engage with this person, trying to engage with this person, 545 00:33:27,590 --> 00:33:31,990 that that person's boss actually moved them off of set. 546 00:33:31,990 --> 00:33:34,990 Because he's the executive producer, he's your boss, 547 00:33:34,990 --> 00:33:38,670 and so if he comes up to you and wants to engage in conversation, 548 00:33:38,670 --> 00:33:40,470 you're in some way obligated to. 549 00:33:41,830 --> 00:33:44,910 It puts you in a really weird headspace 550 00:33:44,910 --> 00:33:47,390 where you're kind of waiting to be, like, 551 00:33:47,390 --> 00:33:50,430 "What's bad enough where something has to be done about this? 552 00:33:51,510 --> 00:33:54,550 "Is there some way I can insert myself to kind of save them?" 553 00:33:54,550 --> 00:33:57,190 It was not clear what you could do. 554 00:33:57,190 --> 00:34:00,510 You could call...Netflix? 555 00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:05,710 It just seemed like he was unstoppable. 556 00:34:07,030 --> 00:34:10,910 Kevin was getting a lot of praise for his role in House Of Cards. 557 00:34:10,910 --> 00:34:15,270 He won the Golden Globes Award, he won the SAG Award. 558 00:34:15,270 --> 00:34:17,990 My favourite, Kevin Spacey! 559 00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:19,910 Yes! 560 00:34:24,270 --> 00:34:26,110 Thank you. Thank you. 561 00:34:26,110 --> 00:34:27,630 I just want to talk a little bit 562 00:34:27,630 --> 00:34:29,590 about the theory of relativity, um... 563 00:34:29,590 --> 00:34:31,150 LAUGHTER 564 00:34:31,150 --> 00:34:36,070 Yeah, because apparently they say that if you're in an elevator, 565 00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:39,270 you don't know whether you're going up or going down, 566 00:34:39,270 --> 00:34:41,710 but right now, it feels like I'm going up. 567 00:34:41,710 --> 00:34:44,710 Thank you very much. APPLAUSE FADES 568 00:34:48,830 --> 00:34:51,670 I was invited to go to the Bafta Britannia Awards. 569 00:34:53,270 --> 00:34:55,310 And, um... 570 00:34:55,310 --> 00:34:59,830 Would you please welcome two-time Academy Award winner Kevin Spacey?! 571 00:35:01,310 --> 00:35:04,350 All of a sudden, Kevin Spacey comes onstage. 572 00:35:06,590 --> 00:35:08,830 This is...ten years later. 573 00:35:10,390 --> 00:35:14,750 And I had not seen him since these incidences, 574 00:35:14,750 --> 00:35:16,990 and my heart just sank to the floor. 575 00:35:18,030 --> 00:35:20,270 You wrecked part of my life. 576 00:35:21,230 --> 00:35:24,070 And there was this whole room adoring you. 577 00:35:26,510 --> 00:35:29,390 And I thought, "Ten years have gone past, 578 00:35:29,390 --> 00:35:30,950 "what more has he done?" 579 00:35:33,830 --> 00:35:37,030 And that whole weekend was a blur because... 580 00:35:38,510 --> 00:35:41,470 the Friday was the event. 581 00:35:42,470 --> 00:35:43,630 The Saturday... 582 00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:46,750 ..I told my mum. 583 00:35:49,990 --> 00:35:52,230 And the Sunday, the news broke. 584 00:35:54,190 --> 00:35:57,790 Tonight, there is a scandal swirling around actor Kevin Spacey, 585 00:35:57,790 --> 00:36:00,510 the Hollywood star accused of sexual misconduct. 586 00:36:00,510 --> 00:36:02,550 Spacey allegedly forced himself 587 00:36:02,550 --> 00:36:05,110 on a future Broadway star, Anthony Rapp. 588 00:36:05,110 --> 00:36:07,670 Well, we have the reporter who broke this story, 589 00:36:07,670 --> 00:36:09,430 Adam B Vary of BuzzFeed News. 590 00:36:09,430 --> 00:36:12,750 Anthony Rapp was very much moved by the number of women 591 00:36:12,750 --> 00:36:15,990 who were coming forward in the wake of the Harvey Weinstein scandal, 592 00:36:15,990 --> 00:36:17,790 and he felt like, as he said, 593 00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:20,550 he was really awake to the moment we're living in now. Yeah. 594 00:36:20,550 --> 00:36:23,270 I think Kevin Spacey stands out 595 00:36:23,270 --> 00:36:25,630 in the first few months of the MeToo movement, 596 00:36:25,630 --> 00:36:30,190 because he was the first prominent man 597 00:36:30,190 --> 00:36:34,230 to have an allegation brought against him by another man. 598 00:36:34,230 --> 00:36:39,070 Within a couple hours of the BuzzFeed story publishing, 599 00:36:39,070 --> 00:36:41,950 Kevin Spacey released a statement. 600 00:36:41,950 --> 00:36:43,910 In a statement, Spacey says, quote, 601 00:36:43,910 --> 00:36:46,230 "If I've behaved then as he describes, 602 00:36:46,230 --> 00:36:48,550 "I owe him the sincerest apology 603 00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:51,590 "for what would have been deeply inappropriate drunken behaviour." 604 00:36:51,590 --> 00:36:55,030 Spacey tweeted he does not remember the alleged encounter, 605 00:36:55,030 --> 00:36:58,150 which Rapp detailed in an interview with BuzzFeed. 606 00:36:58,150 --> 00:37:01,710 Still, Spacey says he's beyond horrified by the story, 607 00:37:01,710 --> 00:37:03,350 and he says it has encouraged him 608 00:37:03,350 --> 00:37:05,790 to do something he's never done before - 609 00:37:05,790 --> 00:37:08,950 publicly acknowledge that he is gay. 610 00:37:08,950 --> 00:37:12,470 There was a great deal of pushback from the LGBTQ community 611 00:37:12,470 --> 00:37:14,310 for that statement. 612 00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:27,990 It's a real shame that, after many, many opportunities 613 00:37:27,990 --> 00:37:30,990 that Kevin Spacey did have to come out in a positive way, 614 00:37:30,990 --> 00:37:34,870 that he's ended up coming out in what has been a very negative way. 615 00:37:36,190 --> 00:37:38,630 As a queer person myself, 616 00:37:38,630 --> 00:37:41,710 Kevin's decision to come out 617 00:37:41,710 --> 00:37:44,870 on the back end of these accusations 618 00:37:44,870 --> 00:37:47,470 that were brought against him by other men 619 00:37:47,470 --> 00:37:49,790 was frustrating, 620 00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:54,230 because it felt like it was being used as a distraction. 621 00:37:54,230 --> 00:38:00,670 I don't know what Kevin Spacey's intentions were with that statement, 622 00:38:00,670 --> 00:38:03,830 but that was how it was received by a lot of people. 623 00:38:14,630 --> 00:38:17,390 That's warped, that's wrong. 624 00:38:17,390 --> 00:38:22,030 No-one knows what journey you can or can't take in coming out, 625 00:38:22,030 --> 00:38:23,790 and it's different for everybody, 626 00:38:23,790 --> 00:38:27,190 which is all the more reason to continue to pursue it 627 00:38:27,190 --> 00:38:29,910 until you find a way to live with yourself 628 00:38:29,910 --> 00:38:33,390 and not hate yourself for being who you are. 629 00:38:33,390 --> 00:38:35,750 That's what the coming-out process is, 630 00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:38,670 and that's why I really worry about Spacey's health. 631 00:38:38,670 --> 00:38:41,070 Because where is his head in with this? 632 00:38:41,070 --> 00:38:45,470 Since he came out to defend himself against accusations, 633 00:38:45,470 --> 00:38:48,670 he's not said a word about the gay community, 634 00:38:48,670 --> 00:38:50,470 about being a gay man, 635 00:38:50,470 --> 00:38:53,870 about how it feels to be an out gay man. 636 00:38:53,870 --> 00:38:58,430 That's not in this conversation and that to me is very suspect. 637 00:39:07,660 --> 00:39:12,220 I thought Kevin Spacey's statement seemed strange. 638 00:39:12,220 --> 00:39:15,060 He's half apologising 639 00:39:15,060 --> 00:39:19,460 for this allegation that Anthony Rapp is making, 640 00:39:19,460 --> 00:39:24,500 but he's now also using this as a moment to come out as gay. 641 00:39:24,500 --> 00:39:28,300 And to me, that was just a red flag 642 00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:31,780 that he was trying to deflect from something bigger. 643 00:39:33,020 --> 00:39:37,420 I shut myself in this small little conference room, 644 00:39:37,420 --> 00:39:42,900 and I called hundreds of people over the next two or three days. 645 00:39:44,100 --> 00:39:47,220 I was talking to all sorts of people who had either 646 00:39:47,220 --> 00:39:51,180 worked on House Of Cards or who were actively working on the show. 647 00:39:52,860 --> 00:39:56,460 I eventually landed with eight people 648 00:39:56,460 --> 00:39:58,940 who were willing to share their stories with me, 649 00:39:58,940 --> 00:40:01,660 but under the condition of anonymity. 650 00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:03,540 A lot of the people that I was speaking to 651 00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:06,540 were just starting out their careers in Hollywood, 652 00:40:06,540 --> 00:40:08,900 and they just weren't emboldened and empowered enough 653 00:40:08,900 --> 00:40:13,260 to feel like they could take on someone as powerful as Kevin Spacey. 654 00:40:13,260 --> 00:40:15,700 And so we published the piece, 655 00:40:15,700 --> 00:40:20,900 and I had no idea what was about to happen. 656 00:40:22,140 --> 00:40:27,060 Netflix has fired actor Kevin Spacey from House of Cards. 657 00:40:27,060 --> 00:40:31,100 Netflix has confirmed House of Cards will resume production next year, 658 00:40:31,100 --> 00:40:34,380 but without the show's main star, Kevin Spacey. 659 00:40:34,380 --> 00:40:42,220 That week, there was a stream of other stories and allegations. 660 00:40:42,220 --> 00:40:45,100 We've got some disturbing new accusations being levelled 661 00:40:45,100 --> 00:40:48,500 this morning against Oscar-winner Kevin Spacey. 662 00:40:48,500 --> 00:40:51,620 It's one of a number of explosive allegations levelled 663 00:40:51,620 --> 00:40:54,700 against the actor in recent weeks. 664 00:40:54,700 --> 00:40:57,260 The effects of 665 00:40:57,260 --> 00:41:01,660 the allegations against Kevin Spacey firebombed his career. 666 00:41:01,660 --> 00:41:03,940 His agency and his publicist dropped him. 667 00:41:04,860 --> 00:41:09,460 Several of Kevin Spacey's projects that had already been shot 668 00:41:09,460 --> 00:41:12,620 were either dropped or dumped. 669 00:41:12,620 --> 00:41:16,420 But is Hollywood being too quick to judge, turning its back 670 00:41:16,420 --> 00:41:20,900 on the Oscar winner before formal charges have even been made? 671 00:41:20,900 --> 00:41:24,140 Next thing you know, there are these allegations coming 672 00:41:24,140 --> 00:41:28,460 from across the pond, overseas in the UK. 673 00:41:30,420 --> 00:41:33,940 20 people have claimed they were victims of inappropriate behaviour 674 00:41:33,940 --> 00:41:36,740 by the actor Kevin Spacey, following an investigation 675 00:41:36,740 --> 00:41:39,100 by the Old Vic Theatre in London. 676 00:41:41,820 --> 00:41:45,860 The Old Vic apologises wholeheartedly to the people 677 00:41:45,860 --> 00:41:48,220 who have told us they've been affected. 678 00:41:48,220 --> 00:41:52,260 Everyone needs to feel that they can speak out no matter who they are. 679 00:41:52,260 --> 00:41:53,420 Thank you. 680 00:42:00,700 --> 00:42:07,580 The reason I've never really spoke out about it was out of, uh, fear. 681 00:42:07,580 --> 00:42:10,340 Yeah, fear of not being believed. 682 00:42:10,340 --> 00:42:12,620 This stuff doesn't happen to guys. 683 00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:14,540 At least, that's what I thought. 684 00:42:14,540 --> 00:42:18,260 Until I experienced what I did on House of Cards. 685 00:42:18,260 --> 00:42:21,020 When you're gay, it's like, 686 00:42:21,020 --> 00:42:24,540 "Oh, well, isn't it just like being at a gay club?" 687 00:42:24,540 --> 00:42:27,660 I even remember someone said, "Oh, lucky you." 688 00:42:28,940 --> 00:42:30,740 Lucky me? 689 00:42:30,740 --> 00:42:33,300 W-... Wha-...? 690 00:42:33,300 --> 00:42:35,020 Would you say that to a woman? 691 00:42:40,180 --> 00:42:42,500 These stories just kept coming. 692 00:42:42,500 --> 00:42:46,900 But Kevin Spacey kept retreating and becoming more reclusive. 693 00:42:46,900 --> 00:42:52,020 And then all of a sudden, he put this bizarre YouTube video 694 00:42:52,020 --> 00:42:56,420 up of himself standing in what appears to be his kitchen, 695 00:42:56,420 --> 00:43:01,060 wearing an apron, and he is channelling his House of Cards 696 00:43:01,060 --> 00:43:03,060 character, Frank Underwood. 697 00:43:03,060 --> 00:43:05,380 I know what you want. 698 00:43:05,380 --> 00:43:07,700 Oh, sure, they may have tried to separate us, 699 00:43:07,700 --> 00:43:09,100 but what we have is too strong. 700 00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:10,780 It's too powerful. 701 00:43:10,780 --> 00:43:13,460 When I saw it, I felt physically ill. 702 00:43:13,460 --> 00:43:16,180 He knows best that we want him back. 703 00:43:17,180 --> 00:43:23,580 And that's so pompously egotistical that it 704 00:43:23,580 --> 00:43:24,740 just makes me angry. 705 00:43:25,940 --> 00:43:29,300 Of course, some believed everything and have just been waiting with 706 00:43:29,300 --> 00:43:31,820 bated breath to hear me confess it all. 707 00:43:31,820 --> 00:43:35,260 But you wouldn't believe the worst without evidence, would you? 708 00:43:35,260 --> 00:43:37,100 Did you? 709 00:43:37,100 --> 00:43:43,620 I remember feeling so judged by watching this. 710 00:43:43,620 --> 00:43:46,740 Oh, of course, they're going to say I'm being disrespectful, not playing 711 00:43:46,740 --> 00:43:51,420 by the rules, like I ever played by anyone's rules before. 712 00:43:51,420 --> 00:43:52,700 I never did. 713 00:43:53,700 --> 00:43:55,740 And you loved it. 714 00:43:55,740 --> 00:44:00,620 He's merging art and life in a really, really distasteful way. 715 00:44:00,620 --> 00:44:02,940 What is he trying to prove here? 716 00:44:02,940 --> 00:44:05,460 He's proving that he can't speak as himself. 717 00:44:05,460 --> 00:44:09,980 He can only speak as the person, the puppeteer behind the character 718 00:44:09,980 --> 00:44:11,260 that he's playing. 719 00:44:15,340 --> 00:44:19,140 We now know that there was all of this turmoil 720 00:44:19,140 --> 00:44:21,060 going on behind the scenes. 721 00:44:28,180 --> 00:44:34,620 Years later, in legal documents, we find out that Media Rights 722 00:44:34,620 --> 00:44:37,580 Capital, the production company behind House of Cards, 723 00:44:37,580 --> 00:44:40,420 was going after Kevin Spacey. 724 00:44:40,420 --> 00:44:46,300 They were headed into season six and they've lost their main star. 725 00:44:46,300 --> 00:44:50,300 Essentially, MRC is saying, "Look, we had to rewrite the show, 726 00:44:50,300 --> 00:44:55,300 "we had to shorten our season and it cost us, you know, millions 727 00:44:55,300 --> 00:44:59,860 "of dollars because of your inappropriate behaviour on the set." 728 00:44:59,860 --> 00:45:05,020 This arbitration court does their own independent investigation, 729 00:45:05,020 --> 00:45:10,580 and they depose several individuals who claim that Kevin Spacey touched 730 00:45:10,580 --> 00:45:15,860 them in a sexually inappropriate manner that was not consensual. 731 00:45:17,020 --> 00:45:20,740 The arbitrator finds, through their interviews, 732 00:45:20,740 --> 00:45:26,180 that this is a pattern of inappropriate behaviour that spans 733 00:45:26,180 --> 00:45:28,900 the first five seasons of the show. 734 00:45:28,900 --> 00:45:32,180 And they say that they find 735 00:45:32,180 --> 00:45:35,460 these individuals that they deposed to be credible, 736 00:45:35,460 --> 00:45:39,140 and that the allegations against Spacey are true. 737 00:45:40,300 --> 00:45:44,700 The arbitration case did not find that Kevin Spacey had done anything 738 00:45:44,700 --> 00:45:48,700 criminal, but what they did find was that Kevin was in breach 739 00:45:48,700 --> 00:45:51,380 of this harassment policy. 740 00:45:51,380 --> 00:45:55,740 Therefore, he was responsible financially 741 00:45:55,740 --> 00:45:58,140 to the production company. 742 00:45:58,140 --> 00:46:01,900 Two years later, this case finds itself in front of a judge 743 00:46:01,900 --> 00:46:05,980 in the Superior Court of California because Kevin Spacey and his legal 744 00:46:05,980 --> 00:46:11,180 team, they appeal the arbitrator's decision, and this judge agrees 745 00:46:11,180 --> 00:46:17,580 with what the arbitrator's found and agrees that Kevin Spacey owes 746 00:46:17,580 --> 00:46:19,060 Media Rights Capital 747 00:46:19,060 --> 00:46:22,060 over $30 million. 748 00:46:23,180 --> 00:46:27,580 This judgement is incredibly significant because to have it 749 00:46:27,580 --> 00:46:31,980 written right there in black and white, this is the first time 750 00:46:31,980 --> 00:46:35,980 that Kevin Spacey has been held accountable for his actions. 751 00:46:46,380 --> 00:46:47,820 Mr Spacey, how do you feel? 752 00:46:47,820 --> 00:46:50,180 Mr Spacey! How are you feeling right now? 753 00:46:50,180 --> 00:46:54,580 There was no battery, there was no party, and nothing happened. 754 00:46:54,580 --> 00:46:58,020 And the jury believed that, by preponderance of the evidence, 755 00:46:58,020 --> 00:47:01,180 more likely than not, that it did not happen. 756 00:47:13,940 --> 00:47:17,900 He called the case weak, said the men were after money, or lying, 757 00:47:17,900 --> 00:47:21,780 or in one case, he'd just mistakenly made a pass in a moment 758 00:47:21,780 --> 00:47:23,260 of real-life drama. 759 00:47:23,260 --> 00:47:25,060 The jury agreed with him. 760 00:47:31,420 --> 00:47:35,180 Hearing the verdict, it was truly devastating. 761 00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:40,820 But it doesn't mean that we all have to be silent. 762 00:47:40,820 --> 00:47:43,740 I can't give up on myself and my truth, and others 763 00:47:43,740 --> 00:47:45,540 shouldn't have to either. 764 00:47:46,940 --> 00:47:51,860 It is not easy to reconcile the not-guilty verdicts of the trials 765 00:47:51,860 --> 00:47:57,740 with my own personal experiences from high school with Kevin. 766 00:47:57,740 --> 00:48:00,980 I'll still know that what happened to me happened to me. 767 00:48:00,980 --> 00:48:04,940 Even though it absolves him of having committed a crime 768 00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:06,740 in those cases, 769 00:48:06,740 --> 00:48:11,860 I know that his behaviour is not morally or ethically acceptable. 770 00:48:13,180 --> 00:48:17,100 You know, he grabbed me and I tried to act like it was nothing. 771 00:48:17,100 --> 00:48:20,620 And it was something, like, it's something I shouldn't 772 00:48:20,620 --> 00:48:21,940 have went through. 773 00:48:21,940 --> 00:48:24,300 I wouldn't see it as anything criminal. 774 00:48:24,300 --> 00:48:27,580 I just did think it was just kind of like disgusting behaviour 775 00:48:27,580 --> 00:48:30,060 from a professional to have on set. 776 00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:34,100 When you're in a position like that, right, 777 00:48:34,100 --> 00:48:38,500 power, celebrity, money, like, you have to be even better 778 00:48:38,500 --> 00:48:41,900 than the average person because you're capable of so much 779 00:48:41,900 --> 00:48:45,220 more damage and so much more destruction 780 00:48:45,220 --> 00:48:46,900 than the average person. 781 00:48:46,900 --> 00:48:49,180 He wasn't responsible with that power. 782 00:48:50,420 --> 00:48:52,820 He used it like a weapon. 783 00:48:52,820 --> 00:48:55,940 When I heard the verdict, it was like getting punched 784 00:48:55,940 --> 00:48:57,180 in the face. 785 00:48:57,180 --> 00:49:02,180 But that sense of disappointment and anger and upset crystallised 786 00:49:02,180 --> 00:49:06,660 for me the need to come forward and tell my story. 787 00:49:07,740 --> 00:49:13,420 The baton was almost passed to me to say, you take it up now, you push 788 00:49:13,420 --> 00:49:15,740 this story forward. 789 00:49:15,740 --> 00:49:18,820 The message to Kevin has to be - it's over. 790 00:49:18,820 --> 00:49:20,260 You know, it's over for you. 791 00:49:20,260 --> 00:49:24,220 Because enough of us know and enough of us agree that this is wrong 792 00:49:24,220 --> 00:49:25,860 and it can't keep happening. 793 00:49:27,460 --> 00:49:31,260 I have to respect the judicial system, but I know his behaviour 794 00:49:31,260 --> 00:49:32,420 needs to change. 795 00:49:33,620 --> 00:49:36,500 It did not come from his gaining power. 796 00:49:36,500 --> 00:49:38,500 It's who he is. 797 00:49:38,500 --> 00:49:44,340 My greatest fear post verdicts is that this will empower him to do 798 00:49:44,340 --> 00:49:48,300 it again, to feel emboldened in a sense. 799 00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:50,220 And, that can't be. 800 00:50:22,340 --> 00:50:25,340 Subtitles by Red Bee Media