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[airplane flying]
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[stewardess] We would like to remind you
to fasten your seat belts securely...
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[Gray] It's amazing to think about this.
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1971, 2021, 50 years apart.
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People are still chasing Cooper.
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[Christy] These Cooperites,
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if you go on those websites
and watch them,
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they're still going back and forth
with different theories and suspects,
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still today.
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Let's face it,
you have a 50-year-old legendary story,
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and nobody really knows what happened.
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It's infectious.
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And people have this never-ending drive
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without, really, any of the information.
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This is something everybody
has followed over the years,
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and now, the FBI is throwing in the towel.
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There are a lot of mysteries out there,
there's no question about it,
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and this is gonna be one of those.
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People are still making original content
about Cooper 50 years later.
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[Schaefer]
Once you get sucked in, you can't escape.
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There's no ending,
there's no satisfaction.
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You don't get to know the story.
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The only Cooper story we know
is on the plane.
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There's nothing before that
and there's nothing after that,
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so I think that's what keeps
a lot of people in the vortex.
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[reporter] Who knows when or where
another piece of the puzzle could show up?
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[jazzy scatting, funky music playing]
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Hello, welcome to CooperCon.
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[applause]
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[Ulis] I started doing the CooperCons
on an annual basis from 2018.
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You know, D.B. Cooper is really a part
of this Northwest lore,
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this Northwest legend,
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along with, you know, Bigfoot and UFOs.
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So it's just kind of a cool thing
to turn into a festival.
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You wanna come get checked in?
We'll get you all set.
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The CooperCon is basically
a gathering of the tribe.
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[man] I'm the owner and operator
of Northwest Escape Experience,
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which has a D.B. Cooper escape room.
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I kind of joined in on this game
coming from the Wikipedia page, myself.
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I'm a historian that's been studying
the D.B. Cooper case
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probably since I was
seven or eight years old.
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My mother was actually
in Sea-Tac Airport,
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waiting to catch a plane
to see my future father,
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and... When the hijacking ensued,
so her plane was delayed.
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He almost interrupted my existence.
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There's really something special
about being here in person.
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Closing up the laptop, if you will,
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and actually having some face-to-face
contact and communication with people.
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[no audible speech]
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I guess what makes it family
is that you got...
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You're all suffering
from the same ailment,
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which is the inability to solve the case.
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We've got the mayor
of Cooperville himself,
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the man behind the curtain
at The Mountain News.
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He will be joined
by the handsome organizer of this event.
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My good friends,
Bruce Smith and Eric Ulis.
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Was it just one guy
who wanted to make some money,
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wanted a payday?
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Or was there something else?
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Coming down here, you're able to talk
to people that are familiar with the case
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that were alive at that time.
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I know all the greats here,
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so as soon as they came in,
it's like, "Oh, my!"
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Bill Mitchell's sitting over there.
He was on the plane.
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He was, you know, five feet away
from D.B. Cooper, 50 years ago.
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I mean, if they had to count on me
as an eyewitness to identify D.B. Cooper,
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he could be here.
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[laughter]
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There's discussions
of random bizarre things
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that only people in the case
would really care about.
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Once we get these stubs,
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we put them into an electron microscope.
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This is my 1985 vintage
scanning electron microscope,
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that I personally own.
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Not very many people in the country own
their own personal electron microscope.
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So I guess I'm one of the outliers.
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- There's a little bit of a nerd family.
- Oh yes.
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[Schaefer] In the last 50 years,
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there have been over 40 books
written on this subject,
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but the case remains unsolved.
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I think Robert Rackstraw might be one
of my top suspect contenders, personally.
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Favorite suspect: Barbara.
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I have a suspect, William J. Smith,
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but there's other suspects
could have done this.
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My uncle was Lynn Doyle Cooper,
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who was the only suspect
to have never been ruled out by the FBI.
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Will I be crucified if I say
Loki is my favorite suspect?
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[laughs]
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I mean, I hate to be
the spoiler here, folks.
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D.B. Cooper's fucking dead.
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If he is alive, he is 95 years old.
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He smoked a lot of cigarettes.
He's not alive.
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And we'll talk a little more about this
over the next couple days...
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[Schaefer]
There is a lot more to this case
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than you can imagine.
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The Cooper vortex is real.
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[interviewer] Have you come across
the Dan Cooper comic book theory?
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- Oh, yeah.
- [interviewer] Tell us about it.
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I'm definitely interested
in the Dan Cooper comic book theory.
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Dan Cooper is this comic book hero
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who was a French Canadian
Royal Air Force test pilot,
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who went on all these adventures
and did a lot of skydiving.
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If you look at the covers,
or if you browse through it,
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it's almost like D.B. Cooper
took that character
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and brought it to life.
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The Adventures of Dan Cooper
was the product of Albert Weinberg,
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a Belgian artist who worked
under the legendary Hergé,
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who created Tintin.
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[Smith] It was only written in French.
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It was very popular in Belgium,
France, and French Canada
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in the '60s and '70s,
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and unknown-of in English-speaking places.
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[Abraczinskas] In the comic,
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there were several stories
that paralleled the hijacking.
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There was an airline ticket
with the name Cooper on it,
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a 727,
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there was a story of hijackings
out of Seattle,
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and there was similar clothing.
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A black tie, a dark suit, and a briefcase.
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[Gray] When this hijacking took place,
in French Canada,
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there was also tremendous paranoia
and revolt.
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[angry shouting]
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It's more important to keep
law and order in society,
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and I think that goes to any distance.
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[Gray]
And in this environment,
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Dan Cooper was a hero.
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[Guevremont] Dan Cooper was our guy.
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He was Canadian.
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And in the 1960s and '70s,
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aviation was big.
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This character was flying the latest jet.
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It was introducing all kinds of aircraft
in the comic strip to its readers,
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and gave all the Canadian kids
who could read French
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this ideal hero who was flying jets.
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And who doesn't like to fly jets
when you're a young boy?
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We all want to be fighter pilots.
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It doesn't start with Tom Cruise
and the movie Top Gun.
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I feel the need...
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- The need for speed.
- The need for speed.
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[Rondot's voice] I read it as a teenager.
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I was fascinated by the imagination
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into the stories of Dan Cooper.
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You could fly to Yemen.
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You could go into the Colombian jungle.
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You could discover Canada.
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It was beautiful.
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Albert Weinberg published
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41 albums, which is huge.
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There was an album shown
as a possible link
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in the stories of this album
with the question of the hijacking.
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That's the one.
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The techniques could be similar
between the album
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and the way D.B. Cooper
escaped from the plane.
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[funky upbeat music playing]
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[Rochefort] I first met Albert Weinberg
in our Air Force base.
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Albert always came to Canadian bases
to research new material.
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His first trip in Canada was in 1966
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at the Canadian Forces base
Portage la Prairie.
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And he got the red-carpet treatment,
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'cause he did so much
for recruiting with his books.
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So basically, he had pretty well
unrestricted access on the base.
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He would take pictures, lots of pictures,
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of the buildings,
the airplanes, the people.
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He would say, "This guy looks
like a real fighter pilot."
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And he would actually draw that
into his graphic novels.
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[Gray]
When I first looked at the comic book
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and started going through the sketches,
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it did become clear to me
that there was a relationship
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between the derring-do
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of this hero pilot
who jumped out of airplanes
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and loved to fly,
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and potentially, the aspiration
of a man with a grudge,
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and a man who wanted
to complete and do one fine thing.
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One thing Albert Weinberg told me
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was that after the hijacking happened,
like not weeks after, days,
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his sources in the Royal
French Canadian Air Force called him,
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and they said, "He's one of us.
This guy is one of us."
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[Rondot] Albert Weinberg didn't want
to have his hero
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linked to a hijacker.
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So every time some journalist
wanted to question him about that,
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he was pushing back.
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[Guevremont] Dan Cooper is the knight
in shining armor in that comic strip.
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He is the man who hijacked the plane
trying to send us a message.
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Or maybe the hijacker had no idea
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that a famous French Canadian
comic book fighter pilot
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was using the same title
as the one he chose.
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Who knows?
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[Schaefer]
If I boarded and robbed a train
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using the alias Tony Hawk,
and escaped on a skateboard,
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would you consider me choosing
that alias a coincidence?
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I wouldn't!
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I mean, the link
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is just too obvious to me.
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Plus, it's so exciting,
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so I want it to be this comic-book angle.
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[Guevremont] In the 1950s,
the Canadian Air Force was at its peak.
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But starting in the '60s,
they went down in size.
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They saw their role diminish.
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In 1965, the Royal Canadian Air Force
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decided to get rid of 500 pilots,
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experienced pilots, and aircrew,
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and it continued the trend
in the early 1970s.
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People were forced to leave,
and they were very bitter.
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There was no transition program
in those days
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for those who leave the Air Force.
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They're on their own.
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It's up to him to decide
what he's gonna do with his new life.
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Maybe he'll become
a Robin Hood of hijacking planes
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and steal thousands of dollars,
and that will be his retirement.
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Maybe he could have been a ground crew,
a technician in the military.
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Especially because of what
was discovered about his tie.
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[reporter]
The old clip-on tie from JCPenney
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is said to be spotted with evidence.
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[Ulis] When the plane landed in Reno,
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there was a skinny black clip-on tie,
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along with a mother-of-pearl tie clip
attached to it,
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that had been left on the plane.
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A tie accumulates all the particles
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from everywhere you've ever been.
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So we were able to go in
and take sticky samples off the tie,
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and look at the particles.
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The most notable particle was titanium.
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And it wasn't titanium
like in the white paint.
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That's titanium dioxide.
It has oxygen in it.
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It was pure titanium metal,
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and it actually looked like
a microscopic leaf spring
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about the size of a blood cell.
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We also found a second titanium particle
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that had a piece of stainless steel
smashed into it.
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Those two particles,
in 1971, were very rare.
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Where the hell did he come across
commercially pure titanium
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and rare earth elements
on his clip-on tie?
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Really, two industries
that did use it in '71.
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One, the aerospace sector,
and also the chemical industry.
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So it gives you an idea
of perhaps where D.B. Cooper was,
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what kind of circles this guy walked in.
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The other interesting thing
about the titanium
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is that it was commercially pure titanium.
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It wasn't alloyed titanium,
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which you would see
primarily in the aerospace sector.
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I think that's a pretty strong indication
that he came from Boeing,
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because there were some R and D divisions,
and other divisions in Boeing,
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that did use and experiment
with commercially pure titanium.
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[Guevremont] A lot of speculation
was done about Boeing.
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But then we have Canadair in Montreal.
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They had that expertise
to work with titanium,
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and they included it in two trainers.
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The CT-133 Silver Star,
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and the CT-114 Tutor aircraft.
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So, we can extrapolate
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that if we have a ground crew
that work on those planes of that type,
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he would have had direct contact
with the titanium.
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There's a good chance
he might have met Mr. Weinberg himself,
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maybe fallen in love
with the comic book strip,
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and decided to adopt the name later on
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when he hijacked
the aircraft in the United States.
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It's an interesting hypothesis.
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[Mendez] During that time,
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nobody was talking too much
about obfuscation,
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about deception and illusion.
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He's got the FBI over here
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with the micro-bits of titanium
from his tie,
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when that's probably not even his tie.
We don't know.
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He probably doesn't wear a tie.
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Maybe that's what D.B. Cooper
was going for.
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So there's still plenty
of mystery in this story.
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[Rondot]
At the beginning of the D.B. Cooper case,
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the FBI went
to the Royal Canadian Air Force
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to see if they could investigate
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on the Canadian bases.
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But during the Cold War,
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nobody wanted that.
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Starting around 1959,
all the way to the '70s,
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relations were very sour
between Canada and the United States.
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Living next to you is, in some ways,
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like sleeping with an elephant.
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No matter how friendly
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or even-tempered is the beast,
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one is affected by every twitch and grunt.
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We were starting to separate
or detach ourselves
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from a North American defense structure
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that a lot of Canadians felt
was controlled by the Americans,
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and we wanted to regain our independence.
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So if, in 1971,
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the FBI would have asked
the Canadian Forces,
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"Could we check some individuals
who might have committed this hijacking?"
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there is a strong possibility
that the Canadians said, "No."
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"We refuse to let you
investigate on Canadian soil,
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or even to have access
to Canadian military records."
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It could be plausible
that both governments did not cooperate
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in the case of Dan Cooper.
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There's many great clues
that lead to Canada
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that have never been properly picked over.
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On the night of the hijacking,
D.B. Cooper requested American currency.
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If you're an American,
why would you request American currency?
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Dan Cooper might have used that phrase,
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"in negotiable American currency,"
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because English was
not his first language,
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and those are the initial words
that came to his mind
300
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in a moment of tension,
a moment of rush.
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Because I was thinking this morning,
"I've never heard that expression."
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It's not a French expression.
303
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[in French] It's bad English.
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If he's not American,
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he wants to be sure
that he can change the money.
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I saw it like that. But that's my opinion.
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[in English] So this is just my opinion.
You do a robbery,
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you're a French Canadian,
you're in a rush,
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you want to make sure they give you
US dollar bills that are small bills.
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I would say that.
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"I want a negotiable American currency."
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I'm not 100% sure on "negotiable,"
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because Cooper is relaying
his demands to the flight crew,
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who are then relaying them
to Air Traffic Control.
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So I don't know 100%.
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Did Cooper say "negotiable"?
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Or as it got relayed,
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was "negotiable" thrown in there?
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But, uh, it's totally possible
he was a Canadian.
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[seagulls squawking]
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I don't see much evidence
on any of these other folks
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that have Cooper theories.
323
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We all have different views on this.
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But we're the only ones
that have evidence.
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And it just keeps coming.
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[Zaid] After the Freedom
of Information Act lawsuit,
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the FBI identified 80,000 pages
of documents on this case
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of which they're giving us
500 pages per month.
329
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So we're talking 12 years,
it's going to take.
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So I filed a motion with the court
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to expedite the files
pertaining to Bob Rackstraw,
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because we want his files first.
333
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Rackstraw opposed it.
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He submits this rambling, page after page,
335
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of, "I'm not D.B. Cooper,
and I don't want my files released."
336
00:19:59,031 --> 00:20:03,577
He also adds this drawing
saying this is all a bunch of shit.
337
00:20:06,747 --> 00:20:09,458
It was harmful, obviously, to us.
338
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The court did rule
against us at that stage.
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[Colbert] I'm a stubborn SOB.
340
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I wasn't going to let that stop us.
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We decided we had to go through with this.
342
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But it was a very difficult time.
343
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There was one point I'll never forget.
344
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I was always an early riser.
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I sleep five hours a day, that's all.
346
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But while I was working Cooper,
347
00:20:41,657 --> 00:20:45,369
I thought I could shave it a little,
maybe getting four hours of sleep.
348
00:20:45,452 --> 00:20:48,163
There was one point, I was sitting
in front of the computer,
349
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and I forgot how to push the keys.
350
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I called out to my wife, and I said,
351
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"Honey, I don't even know
how to use this."
352
00:20:58,382 --> 00:21:02,135
And she took me by the hand
and put me in front of a TV.
353
00:21:04,179 --> 00:21:06,974
I sat in front of the TV,
and my brain came back.
354
00:21:08,141 --> 00:21:10,769
Took about six hours. Was a little scary.
355
00:21:11,353 --> 00:21:14,690
But I realized I had reached
my limit at that moment.
356
00:21:18,527 --> 00:21:20,487
But we were not going to give up.
357
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[dramatic music playing]
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A man who claimed he was one
of the most infamous fugitives
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of the last century, then took it back,
360
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has died.
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00:21:43,927 --> 00:21:48,265
His name is Robert Rackstraw,
and to this day, we still don't know
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00:21:48,348 --> 00:21:51,476
whether he was also
the hijacker known as D.B. Cooper.
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[Colbert] When he died, I told the papers,
when they called,
364
00:22:00,277 --> 00:22:03,196
"I respect, as a family man,
what he did for his children."
365
00:22:03,947 --> 00:22:07,826
But I did say that I still feel
he was breaking the law.
366
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[Van Zant]
To me, I think what is so fascinating
367
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is that he had this period
368
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where, in the '70s,
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he was not a law-abiding citizen,
he was this kind of con man.
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00:22:21,506 --> 00:22:24,009
He does go to prison for his check kiting,
371
00:22:24,092 --> 00:22:26,636
and stealing planes,
and keeping explosives.
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But he gets out,
and then he leads a totally normal life.
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00:22:34,644 --> 00:22:37,647
He pulled it together,
and nobody would know
374
00:22:37,731 --> 00:22:39,733
if they didn't dig into the records.
375
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[Kashanski] He was trying
to live his life as a ordinary guy,
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00:22:45,697 --> 00:22:47,699
in a marina, fixing boats, you know?
377
00:22:52,662 --> 00:22:54,748
[Forbes]
There's character, there's tapestry.
378
00:22:54,831 --> 00:22:57,626
There are layers to him as a person.
379
00:22:57,709 --> 00:23:00,253
He's damn interesting.
He was damn interesting.
380
00:23:00,337 --> 00:23:02,631
He's still very interesting,
even in his passing.
381
00:23:05,467 --> 00:23:08,720
It was stunning, the consistency
382
00:23:08,804 --> 00:23:12,099
of everything
anyone had ever said about him.
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[Kunkel] I had noticed Bob,
every time he goes out of town,
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he takes this dark briefcase.
385
00:23:23,443 --> 00:23:27,030
Well, one day, I see the briefcase again,
386
00:23:27,531 --> 00:23:29,366
and it was unlocked.
387
00:23:30,283 --> 00:23:32,911
I open it very gently.
388
00:23:33,787 --> 00:23:36,998
And here it was, a toupee.
389
00:23:38,333 --> 00:23:42,045
A toupee and a mustache.
390
00:23:43,004 --> 00:23:48,009
Now, Bob wore a mustache all the time.
391
00:23:48,093 --> 00:23:51,513
But sometimes, he would come back
392
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and it was shaved.
393
00:23:53,807 --> 00:23:57,561
He was wearing a toupee when he wanted to.
394
00:23:58,145 --> 00:24:00,981
[laughing]
In disguise for someone else.
395
00:24:01,064 --> 00:24:02,482
I don't know.
396
00:24:04,818 --> 00:24:08,947
[Hunt] Bob was a member
of the Playboy Club in LA.
397
00:24:09,030 --> 00:24:11,366
And he said,
"Come on, I'll take you guys to the club."
398
00:24:12,242 --> 00:24:16,746
We pull in behind a limousine
with a little rent-a-car.
399
00:24:17,414 --> 00:24:19,332
There's got to be
a hundred people in line.
400
00:24:19,916 --> 00:24:23,670
We walk up,
and the doorman's standing there,
401
00:24:23,753 --> 00:24:26,631
and he says,
"Right this way, Mr. Rackstraw."
402
00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:29,259
They have a bunny waiting for us.
403
00:24:30,552 --> 00:24:32,429
What he had done was,
404
00:24:32,512 --> 00:24:34,181
he called the club,
405
00:24:34,264 --> 00:24:38,518
told them that Governor Reagan's
personal pilot was coming over there,
406
00:24:38,602 --> 00:24:42,689
Bob Rackstraw, and, "Please extend
all the courtesies possible."
407
00:24:43,356 --> 00:24:44,524
And they did.
408
00:24:44,608 --> 00:24:48,653
I mean, we got a front table
for the floor show.
409
00:24:48,737 --> 00:24:51,615
He was introduced by the MC.
410
00:24:51,698 --> 00:24:53,492
He gets up and waves to the crowd.
411
00:24:53,575 --> 00:24:55,994
He's got his wings on his jacket,
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00:24:56,495 --> 00:24:57,537
his flight wings.
413
00:24:57,621 --> 00:25:03,001
And that was my first experience
with how Bob could manipulate people.
414
00:25:06,963 --> 00:25:09,549
[Immendorf] Rackstraw was a brilliant guy.
415
00:25:09,633 --> 00:25:12,594
He was an extremely talented individual.
416
00:25:12,677 --> 00:25:16,598
I think he was
a cold-blooded person, however.
417
00:25:17,098 --> 00:25:19,684
I don't believe
that he had a lot of empathy.
418
00:25:22,229 --> 00:25:24,814
[Zaid] I felt bad, of course,
when he passed away,
419
00:25:24,898 --> 00:25:28,443
but we got access
to all of the FBI files on Rackstraw.
420
00:25:30,904 --> 00:25:32,864
If you don't believe
it was Rackstraw, fine.
421
00:25:32,948 --> 00:25:34,658
Here's the original documents.
422
00:25:34,741 --> 00:25:36,952
"Thank you very much."
"You're very welcome."
423
00:25:42,624 --> 00:25:46,211
I truly believe Robert Rackstraw
was D.B. Cooper.
424
00:25:46,294 --> 00:25:50,298
There are factors, critical factors,
which I think all dictate
425
00:25:50,382 --> 00:25:52,926
that Rackstraw was Cooper.
426
00:25:53,426 --> 00:25:55,971
Robert Rackstraw was your man.
Yeah, he died.
427
00:25:56,054 --> 00:25:58,723
Certain things will probably
never be known.
428
00:25:58,807 --> 00:26:01,268
But there is a closure here.
429
00:26:04,563 --> 00:26:07,399
I've never said this before,
but I'll do it for you.
430
00:26:07,482 --> 00:26:09,109
[laughs]
431
00:26:09,192 --> 00:26:13,822
I think that, as a result
of the cold case team's investigation,
432
00:26:14,364 --> 00:26:17,576
Robert Rackstraw is D.B. Cooper,
433
00:26:17,659 --> 00:26:19,119
or was D.B. Cooper.
434
00:26:20,912 --> 00:26:23,373
[interviewer] Does the FBI agree with you?
435
00:26:27,919 --> 00:26:30,171
I don't know. I don't know.
436
00:26:30,255 --> 00:26:34,426
There have been many FBI agents,
some in very responsible positions,
437
00:26:34,509 --> 00:26:35,509
that agree with me.
438
00:26:36,177 --> 00:26:38,054
And there are others who don't.
439
00:26:38,138 --> 00:26:39,764
I'm not absolutely certain,
440
00:26:39,848 --> 00:26:42,684
but it's the best thing
that anybody's come up with yet,
441
00:26:42,767 --> 00:26:44,769
and it certainly looks like it.
442
00:26:48,898 --> 00:26:49,983
[Zaid] There are, no doubt,
443
00:26:50,066 --> 00:26:55,864
people within the D.B. Cooper
family of researchers, who...
444
00:26:55,947 --> 00:26:58,283
There is nothing we could do
445
00:26:58,366 --> 00:27:03,163
that would persuade them
that their theory is not correct.
446
00:27:03,246 --> 00:27:05,373
But that is damaging to the truth.
447
00:27:05,457 --> 00:27:09,377
And that was never what was motivating us,
as part of the cold case team.
448
00:27:09,461 --> 00:27:14,299
I would've happily walked away and said,
"Yeah, we tried, we were wrong."
449
00:27:14,382 --> 00:27:17,886
"But you know what? We contributed,
because, hey, Rackstraw's off the table."
450
00:27:17,969 --> 00:27:19,763
"Focus on these other guys."
451
00:27:19,846 --> 00:27:21,348
But we never got to that point.
452
00:27:21,431 --> 00:27:24,934
We never had a piece of evidence
that said, "You know what?"
453
00:27:25,018 --> 00:27:27,354
"We're wrong, Rackstraw's not the guy."
454
00:27:27,437 --> 00:27:31,566
It was, "Oh, here's another piece
of evidence that tends to prove
455
00:27:31,650 --> 00:27:34,027
that maybe he is the guy."
456
00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:36,488
And every step of the way,
that's what we were finding.
457
00:27:37,947 --> 00:27:40,659
Colbert, in a sense,
is one of those people
458
00:27:40,742 --> 00:27:42,786
that's done a really good job,
in some respects,
459
00:27:42,869 --> 00:27:44,663
in terms of pulling out data
460
00:27:44,746 --> 00:27:48,667
and introducing stuff
to the D.B. Cooper case.
461
00:27:49,751 --> 00:27:51,503
But looking at the files,
462
00:27:52,420 --> 00:27:55,715
I do not think
Robert Rackstraw was D.B. Cooper.
463
00:27:58,051 --> 00:28:02,847
He was investigated by the FBI
and was eliminated as a suspect.
464
00:28:03,431 --> 00:28:07,936
And I think anybody who is focusing
on Robert Rackstraw as D.B. Cooper
465
00:28:08,019 --> 00:28:11,439
would be well-served
to abandon that notion
466
00:28:11,523 --> 00:28:13,274
and start looking at some other people.
467
00:28:19,614 --> 00:28:21,449
[Van Zant] Tom loves a good story,
468
00:28:21,533 --> 00:28:24,285
and I think Rackstraw is his good story.
469
00:28:24,369 --> 00:28:28,748
It's easier to sell if he's D.B. Cooper.
That's the name people know.
470
00:28:28,832 --> 00:28:30,500
That's what you put in your title.
471
00:28:30,583 --> 00:28:33,461
And then you tell this great story
of this con man, right?
472
00:28:34,129 --> 00:28:37,382
And I think Tom really thinks
that he could be D.B. Cooper.
473
00:28:38,174 --> 00:28:39,676
[interviewer] What do you think?
474
00:28:40,552 --> 00:28:42,804
I think Tom has done a great job,
475
00:28:42,887 --> 00:28:46,725
but I would not risk my reputation
476
00:28:46,808 --> 00:28:49,519
on saying Rackstraw was D.B. Cooper.
477
00:28:52,647 --> 00:28:54,023
[Forbes] I applaud Tom.
478
00:28:54,107 --> 00:28:55,316
I so applaud Tom.
479
00:28:56,151 --> 00:28:59,112
Because that cost a lot of money
out of his pocket.
480
00:28:59,821 --> 00:29:02,115
Tom's efforts and work to get here,
481
00:29:02,198 --> 00:29:03,198
great for him.
482
00:29:05,034 --> 00:29:08,246
I just feel that there's a lot
of chasing of windmills.
483
00:29:08,955 --> 00:29:11,166
[interviewer]
How much money have you spent on this?
484
00:29:11,249 --> 00:29:13,501
Well, let's just say,
it's close to the reward.
485
00:29:14,085 --> 00:29:17,464
The amount of money Cooper took
was 200 grand.
486
00:29:17,547 --> 00:29:22,802
I would tell you, we've spent
about that much on this investigation.
487
00:29:23,344 --> 00:29:25,638
And frankly, we didn't plan to.
488
00:29:25,722 --> 00:29:28,558
We usually do
one-to two-year investigations.
489
00:29:28,641 --> 00:29:31,895
This spiraled into a seven-year,
and then a ten-year,
490
00:29:32,604 --> 00:29:34,856
because of the FBI.
491
00:29:35,982 --> 00:29:38,276
They wouldn't cooperate with us.
492
00:29:42,113 --> 00:29:43,448
[Forbes] Tom had a lot at stake.
493
00:29:44,324 --> 00:29:47,660
He is driven for his own personal reasons,
494
00:29:47,744 --> 00:29:49,245
a yearning for justice.
495
00:29:50,205 --> 00:29:52,749
But there's a big danger in that.
496
00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:58,254
You can fall into the trap
of looking to prove a point
497
00:29:58,338 --> 00:30:01,174
rather than ferret out
the facts of a story.
498
00:30:02,425 --> 00:30:05,678
And so you can be very clouded
in your judgment.
499
00:30:07,430 --> 00:30:09,307
Jim Forbes was a good friend.
500
00:30:09,390 --> 00:30:11,351
Jim was one of my mentors,
501
00:30:11,851 --> 00:30:14,979
but Jim made a decision,
at the end of History Channel,
502
00:30:15,647 --> 00:30:17,357
to change to the other side.
503
00:30:18,274 --> 00:30:21,069
I think, most likely,
he's not D.B. Cooper.
504
00:30:21,653 --> 00:30:23,905
- You truly don't think it's him?
- No. No.
505
00:30:24,739 --> 00:30:27,617
[Colbert] When he changed his mind,
it shocked the team.
506
00:30:28,243 --> 00:30:30,370
And unfortunately,
we haven't spoken since.
507
00:30:33,081 --> 00:30:35,166
It's very hard
when the stakes are so high.
508
00:30:35,792 --> 00:30:39,420
Relationships, money, lives.
509
00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,757
So the case becomes this jungle.
510
00:30:42,841 --> 00:30:45,760
You're trying to prove your suspect
and solve the case,
511
00:30:45,844 --> 00:30:47,846
but also protect yourself from ridicule.
512
00:30:49,055 --> 00:30:51,641
All these things happen in Cooperland.
513
00:30:54,227 --> 00:30:55,603
[Forbes] If it is Bob Rackstraw,
514
00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:58,857
then, wow, he should stand
on the mountaintop and yell
515
00:31:00,233 --> 00:31:01,860
to the end of his life,
516
00:31:01,943 --> 00:31:04,529
"I was right. You all doubted me."
517
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,617
I've moved on from the D.B. Cooper case.
518
00:31:09,701 --> 00:31:13,037
I'm now working on Zodiac.
519
00:31:14,956 --> 00:31:17,667
We have also found
520
00:31:17,750 --> 00:31:22,380
what we believe is the killer's trail
and the location of Jimmy Hoffa.
521
00:31:23,631 --> 00:31:27,468
We have all these lined up,
and again, it's because the team.
522
00:31:34,392 --> 00:31:37,979
[Mitchell] My 15 minutes of fame
have lasted 50 years.
523
00:31:41,065 --> 00:31:46,195
I think most people think
that they can solve it.
524
00:31:49,115 --> 00:31:53,036
I mean, they really do think
that they can get on the Internet
525
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,956
and google something
that's going to solve it.
526
00:31:58,333 --> 00:32:01,294
There's been so many, like,
historical reenactments
527
00:32:01,377 --> 00:32:02,879
and that kind of thing.
528
00:32:02,962 --> 00:32:06,507
Have you seen yourself
portrayed in these documentaries?
529
00:32:06,591 --> 00:32:08,134
And who would you want to portray you?
530
00:32:08,217 --> 00:32:09,928
[audience laughs]
531
00:32:10,762 --> 00:32:11,762
Go with George Clooney.
532
00:32:11,804 --> 00:32:13,264
Yeah!
533
00:32:13,348 --> 00:32:15,308
You know what?
I'll let my wife answer that.
534
00:32:15,391 --> 00:32:16,391
Um...
535
00:32:17,060 --> 00:32:19,145
It's kind of entertaining.
536
00:32:19,228 --> 00:32:21,648
I get to meet people.
537
00:32:21,731 --> 00:32:23,858
It's just really fascinating
to get to meet you.
538
00:32:23,942 --> 00:32:26,235
[Mitchell] But the Cooperites,
539
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:28,488
they want to tell me their theory,
540
00:32:28,571 --> 00:32:30,239
even now, which is crazy.
541
00:32:30,323 --> 00:32:32,325
I mean, I get pictures mailed to me.
542
00:32:32,408 --> 00:32:33,993
"Do you recognize this guy?"
543
00:32:34,827 --> 00:32:41,000
And it's this Cooperite's cousin's
uncle's brother's sister's husband,
544
00:32:41,542 --> 00:32:44,379
on his deathbed, said he was D.B. Cooper.
545
00:32:48,132 --> 00:32:50,927
[Schreuder]
As time goes on, it gets more difficult.
546
00:32:51,594 --> 00:32:54,722
All witnesses have memory decay.
547
00:32:54,806 --> 00:32:57,058
People just plain forget.
548
00:32:57,141 --> 00:32:58,851
[no audible speech]
549
00:32:58,935 --> 00:33:03,314
Any crime scene evidence
that existed is certainly gone by now.
550
00:33:04,649 --> 00:33:09,237
Even the shore of the Columbia River
has changed horrendously.
551
00:33:12,198 --> 00:33:13,741
So you can't even go back there
552
00:33:13,825 --> 00:33:16,411
and recognize where you were,
or where you dug.
553
00:33:16,494 --> 00:33:18,534
He was with the money
when he went out of the plane,
554
00:33:18,579 --> 00:33:21,791
and if he lit in the river, uh,
maybe he got out and maybe he didn't.
555
00:33:22,542 --> 00:33:25,003
The longer it goes, the harder it gets.
556
00:33:26,546 --> 00:33:30,341
When the FBI announced that the case
was closed, I didn't believe it a second.
557
00:33:31,009 --> 00:33:33,886
I just don't think the FBI can kill
an open indictment.
558
00:33:33,970 --> 00:33:36,931
They just don't want to touch it anymore.
They get calls every day,
559
00:33:37,015 --> 00:33:38,433
and it saddles agents with stuff,
560
00:33:38,516 --> 00:33:40,396
and the PR people are forced
to make statements.
561
00:33:40,435 --> 00:33:42,770
But the case, really,
I don't believe is closed.
562
00:33:42,854 --> 00:33:45,481
The indictment is still open,
and there's a man at large.
563
00:33:48,443 --> 00:33:50,862
[Rymsza-Pawlowska]
It's interesting to me that D.B. Cooper
564
00:33:50,945 --> 00:33:53,573
has remained so prevalent
565
00:33:53,656 --> 00:33:55,992
in so many different types
of popular culture.
566
00:33:56,659 --> 00:33:58,953
And I do think, for the most part,
567
00:33:59,037 --> 00:34:03,833
it's that he is this kind of antihero,
outlaw, individualist figure.
568
00:34:03,916 --> 00:34:07,128
You can draw lines from the cowboys
569
00:34:07,211 --> 00:34:10,631
and the dime novels of the 1890s,
570
00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:12,633
through someone like Don Draper,
571
00:34:12,717 --> 00:34:17,555
through somebody like Walter White
from, you know, Breaking Bad.
572
00:34:18,264 --> 00:34:24,353
It's a very particular type
of gendered and raced male figure.
573
00:34:28,983 --> 00:34:31,444
[Burrough]
Cooper is a singular case.
574
00:34:31,527 --> 00:34:35,698
It clearly speaks to a yearning
of some type in the American soul.
575
00:34:38,993 --> 00:34:41,287
The romance of a skyjacking,
576
00:34:41,370 --> 00:34:46,417
a guy who puts on a parachute
and leaps into the darkness.
577
00:34:47,627 --> 00:34:49,212
I hope he's never found.
578
00:34:51,631 --> 00:34:53,716
People ask me all the time,
"Well, who's D.B. Cooper,
579
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,510
if you've done so much research into it?"
580
00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:56,761
I have no idea.
581
00:34:58,471 --> 00:35:02,850
When I started the podcast, I thought,
"It's got to be one of these suspects."
582
00:35:03,559 --> 00:35:07,313
But now that I've read 30 books,
and talked to 45 different people
583
00:35:07,396 --> 00:35:08,314
about the case,
584
00:35:08,397 --> 00:35:11,651
it seems like I know less now
than I did when I started.
585
00:35:12,276 --> 00:35:13,903
[Ulis] As time has gone by,
586
00:35:13,986 --> 00:35:16,697
it's become this ever-larger mystery.
587
00:35:18,574 --> 00:35:22,078
[Mendez] The thing I don't understand is,
why he didn't fly a flag somewhere
588
00:35:22,161 --> 00:35:25,540
or leave a note and say,
"I am D.B. Cooper."
589
00:35:26,124 --> 00:35:28,084
Now a number of people have done that...
590
00:35:29,377 --> 00:35:31,337
but they're not D.B. Cooper. [laughing]
591
00:35:31,420 --> 00:35:33,965
But the real one,
he had the rest of his life to figure out,
592
00:35:34,048 --> 00:35:35,883
"How shall I reveal myself
593
00:35:35,967 --> 00:35:39,971
to be the genius that only I know I am
right now?"
594
00:35:42,140 --> 00:35:44,475
[Gray] We live in a culture now
where we know everything.
595
00:35:44,559 --> 00:35:47,645
You can't even have a debate,
because the truth is found in two seconds.
596
00:35:48,646 --> 00:35:49,981
The Cooper case defies that.
597
00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:54,861
It forces us to continue to search
for something we may never know.
598
00:35:54,944 --> 00:35:58,698
And the fact that we can't know,
I think, secretly, we like it.
599
00:36:01,242 --> 00:36:03,119
The longer Cooper gets away,
600
00:36:03,202 --> 00:36:05,705
the more we can live
vicariously through him.
601
00:36:07,665 --> 00:36:09,292
And the legend goes on.
602
00:36:10,751 --> 00:36:13,254
[jazzy scatting, funky music playing]
603
00:36:18,426 --> 00:36:20,428
[dramatic music playing]