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Some stories
are unforgettable.

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This is one of them.

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I hear on the news
that Desiree Sunford

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had been found murdered.

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And I screamed.

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We were searching
through the house

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and I could see Desiree
on the floor.

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She was shot
very violently.

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Scott was very talkative.

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I actually stayed
with a friend.

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- What's the friend's name?
- Oh, her name's Paige.

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You're wondering,
"Who is Paige?"

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That's right.
Is he having an affair?

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This case had a lot
of players involved,

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a lot of tentacles.

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Every time police
asked a question,

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it seemed another
relationship surfaced.

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{\an8}Desiree and Paige
and Scott

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{\an8}all knew each other well.
- Yes.

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Paige called this tip in.

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She says,
"I know who the killer is."

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That's right.

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A name that had
never come up before.

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{\an8}He asked me...

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In this case,
there was a very thin line

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between truth telling
and betrayal.

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{\an8}It made me ask,

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{\an8}how far should friends go
for each other?

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This psycho
squiggled her way

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into their life
and created chaos.

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Talk about twists.
I was completely blown away.

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I risked my life
to do the right thing,

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and I'm being crucified.

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This is
Dateline: Unforgettable.

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I'm Blayne Alexander
with a fresh look at

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"Deadly Entanglement."

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We've all had that fear,

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that middle of the night,

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home alone in a dark,
empty house kind of fear.

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I can't imagine
what went through her mind.

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We hear a noise
and the imagination runs wild.

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Of course, we usually
just shrug it off,

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go back to sleep,

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and wake up the next morning
perfectly fine.

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This is not that story.

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The woman in this story

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woke up alone
to that very nightmare.

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It was around 3:30 AM.

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Someone was in her house.

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Nobody there to help her.

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Nobody there to defend her.

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Someone who was there
only to kill.

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And it was pretty clear
that this wasn't

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just a robbery
gone wrong.

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That's correct.

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A diabolical plot
born of sex and obsession,

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where the killer was
as unexpected as the victim.

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Who would wanna kill Des?

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She had no enemies.

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And there was just no reason,

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no reason at all
to kill her.

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One of the first questions
we always ask

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when reporting for Dateline.
Why?

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And in this case,
I'll never forget

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just how twisted the motive
turned out to be.

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Here, Desiree was in
the one place

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she should have been
the safest, her home.

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And that's where
she was killed.

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As police dug into
this investigation,

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they uncovered a tangled web
of relationships.

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And it would take a long time
to unravel those

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to get to the truth.

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Yakima County, Washington,

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where a marriage of
mountains and countryside

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creates
a stunning backdrop.

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Picturesque, certainly.

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But people here
are no strangers to crime.

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Retired Yakima County
Sheriff's Deputy Ed Levesque

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has patrolled nearly
every square mile of this county

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and seen everything
from petty theft to homicide.

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It's been a ride.

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I've seen a lot,
learned a lot.

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{\an8}So a late night call
to report a possible break-in

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{\an8}wasn't rare.

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{\an8}Like that call
on April 7, 2013.

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{\an8}Came out as like,
a welfare check.

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{\an8}Sometimes
they're absolutely nothing

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{\an8}and sometimes they're bad.

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{\an8}31 Year old Scott Sunford
was driving home

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{\an8}to Yakima County
when he saw a notification.

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{\an8}An alarm had gone off
at his house

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{\an8}where his wife Desiree
was home alone.

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{\an8}Deputies were
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{\an8}but Scott got there first.

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{\an8}He called 911 again.

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Ed Levesque and two other
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raced to get to Scott.

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But the house
was way out of town.

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You have to drive down

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a series of
two lane county roads.

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There's no street lights
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Further out you go,
the less homes you'll see.

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{\an8}Scott was still on the line
with 911.

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{\an8}He even gave the operator
his wife's phone number
to call.

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{\an8}It went
straight to voicemail.

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When Deputy Levesque and
his partners finally arrived,

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they saw a man standing
outside pointing a gun

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and a spotlight
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My first thought was
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a police officer
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And as I approached,

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I could see that
he was not a police officer.

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However, there was a guy
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the driver's side of that door
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And I saw that he had a pistol
pointed at the house.

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It was Scott.

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I says, "What are you
doing with the gun?

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Did you go inside the house
and check on your wife?"

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He says, "No. I don't know
what I'm gonna find in there."

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Just steps
into the dark house,

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the deputies found Desiree
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a bandage on her leg.

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I could see part
of her body.

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And as I got closer,

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I could see that
she had obviously suffered

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multiple gunshots.

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And I could see casings
on the floor.

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I could see a lot of trauma,
a lot of blood.

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And it was obvious
that she was deceased.

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You know, I've been to
quite a few homicides

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that involved firearms,
but not like this.

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Looking at how many times
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it was obvious to me
that person

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wanted to make sure
she was dead.

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So it was that very moment
in the middle of the night,

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in the middle of nowhere
that a wild mystery began.

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Are there parts of
this case

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that still kind of
linger in your mind,

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that still kind of
bother you?

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There were some red flags

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that just didn't seem
to add up.

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His attitude, his behavior,
his demeanor.

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His actions were just gross.

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She just never seemed like
she would be that person

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that would be willing
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another person in her home.

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- In her marriage.
- Mm-hmm.

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What were you thinking
when you heard that name?

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My exact thought was,
who the hell's that guy?

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All through the night,

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detectives
and forensic techs

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arrived at
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now a crime scene.

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Desiree's husband, Scott,
remained outside the house,

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no longer holding his gun.

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We secured the gun,

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and we put him in the back
of the patrol car.

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Meanwhile, local police
broke the terrible news

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to Desiree's mother,

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who then called
her son,

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Desiree's brother Casey.

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Desiree's dead.

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That's all she could say.

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I think I blacked out
a little bit

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or something,
'cause I was--

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Next thing I remember,
I was on the floor,

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just talking to--

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Crying into the phone
with mom.

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This is always the hardest
part of reporting a story.

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Asking someone's family
and friends

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to go back to the moment
they realized she was gone.

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It's so emotional,
but so necessary

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because they know that life
will never be the same.

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And it just speaks to
the enormity

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of what the killer
took from the world.

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Kayla Lewis was one of
Desiree's closest

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and oldest friends.

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What stood out
about Desiree?

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Desiree was...
Are we allowed to cuss?

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- Sure.
- Okay. I'm sorry.

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Give me what you feel.

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She was just a badass.

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She rode her Harley
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and she loved art.

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She did a lot of
art herself,

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but she was just
a good person all around.

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And Desiree loved cars,
classic cars.

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Her dad taught her
how to restore anything

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from a truck
to a convertible.

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And even after he died
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she kept working
under the hood.

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Oh, my God!

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We surprised her with her
first car with the Chevelle

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for her 16th birthday.

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It was a special day.
Very special day.

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Turn the key.

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Of course, at 16,
she had another focus...

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Boys.
One in particular,

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Scott Sunford.

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Her friend Kim O'Dell says

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Desiree got a kick
out of Scott's goofy side.

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He was always the jokester,
always the prankster,

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always having a good time.

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As long as I've known her,
it's always been Desiree,

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her Chevy, and Scott.
- Those three.

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Those were--
those three things.

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When did they seriously
start talking about marriage?

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She wanted to be
done with school

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and then get married
and then start having a family.

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That plan changed
a little bit, though.

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It did because
he was enlisted

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and then had to go to Iraq.

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Scott proposed in 2003.

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He was 22.
She was 21.

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The wedding was just days
before he deployed.

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Everybody seemed happy.

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Desiree and Scott
seemed happy.

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While Scott was deployed,
Desiree finished college

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and even earned
a graduate degree.

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Eventually, she got her
dream job as an art teacher

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at Wapato Middle School
outside of Yakima.

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Michelle Howell and Desiree
bonded as young teachers.

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It was nice to have somebody
that was relatively my age

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that was right there.

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You know, every school
has a cool teacher

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where you just wanna go
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or just go and sit
and just talk.

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It sounds like Desiree.

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- She was one of them.
- Was the cool teacher.

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Yep, she was definitely
one of them.

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By 2012,
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working at a National Guard
training center.

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The couple adopted a dog
and named her Ada.

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They scraped together
enough money to buy a home

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way out in the country.

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She's married
her high school sweetheart.

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They have a home together.

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Yeah, and she was
so proud of that.

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Desiree and Scott
seemed well on their way

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to building
a happy grown up life.

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But then on April 2,

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just five days
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Desiree came home to find

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someone had broken into
their house

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and stolen an iPad
and a laptop.

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The burglary shook her up.

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Scott put up a plywood board
over the broken back window.

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And to calm
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they installed
an alarm system.

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Did Desiree still feel
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Once the board got up
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it wasn't
the end of the world.

253
00:12:59,512 --> 00:13:00,613
She was like, she knew
she had her alarm system.

254
00:13:00,713 --> 00:13:02,215
She knew that she could
take care of herself,

255
00:13:02,315 --> 00:13:03,549
handle herself.

256
00:13:03,650 --> 00:13:05,985
Desiree owned firearms, too,

257
00:13:06,085 --> 00:13:09,689
and always kept a gun
at her bedside.

258
00:13:09,789 --> 00:13:14,060
But neither the alarm
nor her gun stopped her killer.

259
00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,030
And now the terrible news
of Desiree's death

260
00:13:17,130 --> 00:13:18,765
was everywhere.

261
00:13:18,865 --> 00:13:20,600
I was getting ready for work
Monday morning,

262
00:13:20,700 --> 00:13:25,405
and I hear on the news that
local art teacher

263
00:13:25,505 --> 00:13:29,842
Desiree Sunford had been
found killed, or murdered.

264
00:13:29,942 --> 00:13:32,946
And I stopped...
and I screamed.

265
00:13:33,046 --> 00:13:33,947
I'm like,
"Tell me it's a lie.

266
00:13:34,047 --> 00:13:36,916
Tell me it's a lie.
Tell me it's a lie."

267
00:13:37,016 --> 00:13:39,218
Now, down at
the sheriff's office,

268
00:13:39,319 --> 00:13:41,921
investigators were
digging into the case.

269
00:13:42,021 --> 00:13:43,690
Do I have your permission
to keep recording?

270
00:13:43,790 --> 00:13:44,624
Absolutely.

271
00:13:44,724 --> 00:13:46,859
Starting with
Scott Sunford.

272
00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:47,961
You willing to keep
talking to me now

273
00:13:48,061 --> 00:13:50,697
about what happened
out at your house?

274
00:13:50,797 --> 00:13:52,198
Of course.

275
00:13:52,298 --> 00:13:55,468
Scott explained he had been
out of town the day before

276
00:13:55,568 --> 00:13:58,771
at his aunt's funeral,
when the weather got bad.

277
00:13:58,871 --> 00:14:00,573
He called Desiree.

278
00:14:00,673 --> 00:14:03,443
It was probably
11:00 or so.

279
00:14:03,543 --> 00:14:08,615
And I told her, you know,
it's kind of rainy,

280
00:14:08,715 --> 00:14:11,851
it's windy,
I'm tired as hell, long day,

281
00:14:11,951 --> 00:14:13,586
and they wanna do
a breakfast get together

282
00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:15,154
in the morning.

283
00:14:15,255 --> 00:14:16,856
I'm gonna stay here
for the night.

284
00:14:16,956 --> 00:14:18,791
He said
he didn't start for home

285
00:14:18,891 --> 00:14:21,961
until 5:30
the next evening.

286
00:14:22,061 --> 00:14:22,895
All along the drive,

287
00:14:22,996 --> 00:14:24,998
I just kept
calling her randomly,

288
00:14:25,098 --> 00:14:26,666
trying to get a hold of her,

289
00:14:26,766 --> 00:14:29,802
and, uh, just wasn't
getting anything from her.

290
00:14:29,902 --> 00:14:32,338
And it was kind of
freakin' me out.

291
00:14:32,438 --> 00:14:34,641
He checked his phone again.

292
00:14:34,741 --> 00:14:37,010
That's when he noticed
the alarm had gone off

293
00:14:37,110 --> 00:14:39,946
hours earlier.

294
00:14:40,046 --> 00:14:42,615
{\an8}He made that first call
to 911.

295
00:14:45,718 --> 00:14:47,387
Investigators were curious

296
00:14:47,487 --> 00:14:51,591
about Scott's last minute
decision to stay overnight.

297
00:14:51,691 --> 00:14:54,093
They would become
even more curious

298
00:14:54,193 --> 00:14:58,164
when he told them
where he stayed.

299
00:14:58,264 --> 00:15:01,067
You stayed at your dad's
in Kennewick?

300
00:15:01,167 --> 00:15:04,304
Uh, no, I actually
stayed with a friend.

301
00:15:04,404 --> 00:15:06,339
What's the friend's name?

302
00:15:06,439 --> 00:15:09,208
Oh, her name's Paige.

303
00:15:09,309 --> 00:15:11,210
She's a mutual friend.

304
00:15:23,289 --> 00:15:25,158
When Desiree Sunford
was shot to death

305
00:15:25,258 --> 00:15:28,027
during an apparent
break-in at her home,

306
00:15:28,127 --> 00:15:30,663
deputies at the scene
noticed right away.

307
00:15:30,763 --> 00:15:34,701
Her husband Scott
seemed strangely calm.

308
00:15:34,801 --> 00:15:36,536
He had no emotion, whatsoever.

309
00:15:36,636 --> 00:15:38,805
None, whatsoever.

310
00:15:38,905 --> 00:15:41,140
It wasn't like he was trying
to absorb bad news.

311
00:15:41,240 --> 00:15:42,842
I don't believe
he ever asked me questions

312
00:15:42,942 --> 00:15:44,811
about how his wife died.

313
00:15:44,911 --> 00:15:47,914
Now Scott was sitting
in an interview room.

314
00:15:48,014 --> 00:15:51,517
I just didn't know
what the hell was going on.

315
00:15:51,618 --> 00:15:52,785
And something about him

316
00:15:52,885 --> 00:15:55,521
didn't sit right
with the detective either.

317
00:15:55,622 --> 00:15:59,525
He asked Scott why he stayed on
with the 911 operator

318
00:15:59,626 --> 00:16:03,296
instead of rushing inside
to see if his wife was okay.

319
00:16:03,396 --> 00:16:05,798
My stomach was churning.
I was shaking.

320
00:16:05,898 --> 00:16:08,968
I had convinced myself
by that point

321
00:16:09,068 --> 00:16:11,204
something had to be wrong.
- Mm-hmm.

322
00:16:11,304 --> 00:16:15,008
Well, I'm just thinking
you're a big guy,

323
00:16:15,108 --> 00:16:18,378
so if anyone's gonna be willing
to go charging in the house

324
00:16:18,478 --> 00:16:19,812
and make sure
their wife's okay,

325
00:16:19,912 --> 00:16:23,082
it would seem to me
that it would be you.

326
00:16:23,182 --> 00:16:25,918
Well,
it's not that I was afraid

327
00:16:26,019 --> 00:16:28,621
of anybody being in there.

328
00:16:28,721 --> 00:16:30,556
You know, I'll take on
100 people for her,

329
00:16:30,657 --> 00:16:31,758
that's fine.

330
00:16:31,858 --> 00:16:36,863
What did you think you
might see if you went inside?

331
00:16:36,963 --> 00:16:38,164
Roll around a thousand
of the worst things

332
00:16:38,264 --> 00:16:39,399
you could think of.

333
00:16:39,499 --> 00:16:42,969
It just was not the normal
response for an individual

334
00:16:43,069 --> 00:16:45,738
thinking his wife
was hurt or in danger.

335
00:16:45,838 --> 00:16:48,441
Yakima County Sheriff's
Detective Dave Johnson,

336
00:16:48,541 --> 00:16:52,045
now retired,
worked Desiree's case.

337
00:16:52,145 --> 00:16:53,846
And this is somebody
who presumably

338
00:16:53,947 --> 00:16:55,114
could have handled a situation.

339
00:16:55,214 --> 00:16:57,116
He knows his way around
a firearm.

340
00:16:57,216 --> 00:16:58,117
He's got a gun?

341
00:16:58,217 --> 00:16:59,986
Yes, he's...
He's well-trained.

342
00:17:00,086 --> 00:17:02,121
He has served in combat.

343
00:17:02,221 --> 00:17:04,891
So he would be able
to handle the situation,

344
00:17:04,991 --> 00:17:06,626
in our opinion.

345
00:17:06,726 --> 00:17:08,328
The detective
interviewing Scott

346
00:17:08,428 --> 00:17:10,630
asked about
his military service.

347
00:17:10,730 --> 00:17:13,766
Um,
I got blown up a few times,

348
00:17:13,866 --> 00:17:16,369
but nothing really.

349
00:17:16,469 --> 00:17:18,605
Well, I got shot, too,
but I was wearing body armor.

350
00:17:18,705 --> 00:17:21,107
How are you coping
with that?

351
00:17:21,207 --> 00:17:22,375
Well,
according to the military,

352
00:17:22,475 --> 00:17:24,577
I'm what they call
mentally resilient.

353
00:17:24,677 --> 00:17:27,313
They said I deal with things
quite well.

354
00:17:27,413 --> 00:17:30,616
The detective switched topics
and asked Scott

355
00:17:30,717 --> 00:17:34,420
about spending the night away
after his aunt's funeral.

356
00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,490
You stayed at your dad's
in Kennewick?

357
00:17:37,590 --> 00:17:40,059
Uh, no, I actually
stayed with a friend.

358
00:17:40,159 --> 00:17:44,263
- What's the friend's name?
- Oh, her name's Paige.

359
00:17:44,364 --> 00:17:45,865
At this point,
you're wondering,

360
00:17:45,965 --> 00:17:48,201
"Who is Paige?"
- That's right.

361
00:17:48,301 --> 00:17:50,370
It's not a normal event

362
00:17:50,470 --> 00:17:52,639
unless he's having an affair
with this lady.

363
00:17:52,739 --> 00:17:55,074
She's a mutual friend?

364
00:17:55,174 --> 00:17:59,345
A mutual friend of his
and Desiree's.

365
00:17:59,445 --> 00:18:02,281
Did Desiree know that
you were going to Paige's?

366
00:18:03,883 --> 00:18:05,885
I don't know.
Honestly.

367
00:18:05,985 --> 00:18:08,187
It's not something
you had discussed with her?

368
00:18:08,288 --> 00:18:09,389
No.

369
00:18:09,489 --> 00:18:11,924
The red flags are just
piling up on this guy

370
00:18:12,025 --> 00:18:13,226
at this point.
- It is.

371
00:18:13,326 --> 00:18:14,761
There's more to
this relationship

372
00:18:14,861 --> 00:18:16,729
than what he's telling us.

373
00:18:16,829 --> 00:18:19,599
Was it just
a platonic friendship,

374
00:18:19,699 --> 00:18:20,867
or were you...

375
00:18:20,967 --> 00:18:23,636
Did you have a sexual
relationship with Paige?

376
00:18:23,736 --> 00:18:24,871
You know,
I shouldn't go there

377
00:18:24,971 --> 00:18:30,009
because it's kind of rude,
but, uh,

378
00:18:30,109 --> 00:18:32,845
well, Des didn't want me
to say anything to anybody.

379
00:18:32,945 --> 00:18:36,783
At one point, her and Paige
had a little thing going

380
00:18:36,883 --> 00:18:39,852
for a while there,
a little experiment.

381
00:18:39,953 --> 00:18:42,855
Okay,
so it was Desiree and Paige

382
00:18:42,956 --> 00:18:44,190
who had
the sexual relationship.

383
00:18:44,290 --> 00:18:46,960
- Yeah.
- But not you and Paige.

384
00:18:47,060 --> 00:18:48,461
Or...?
- We all did.

385
00:18:48,561 --> 00:18:49,596
Sometimes
you and Paige, too?

386
00:18:49,696 --> 00:18:51,931
- Honestly, we all did.
- Okay.

387
00:18:52,031 --> 00:18:54,267
I bet you didn't see
that one coming. Did you?

388
00:18:54,367 --> 00:18:56,703
We did not, no.
That was something--

389
00:18:56,803 --> 00:18:58,504
Sometimes you think
you heard everything

390
00:18:58,605 --> 00:19:01,307
and something new comes up.

391
00:19:01,407 --> 00:19:04,577
Did it seem as though he was
trying to almost downplay

392
00:19:04,677 --> 00:19:06,879
his affair with Paige

393
00:19:06,980 --> 00:19:09,048
by saying that
Desiree was involved?

394
00:19:09,148 --> 00:19:11,150
Desiree knew about it.
She was good with all of it.

395
00:19:11,250 --> 00:19:13,753
Yeah.
It was no big deal.

396
00:19:13,853 --> 00:19:16,422
We needed to find out
as much as possible

397
00:19:16,522 --> 00:19:18,124
about their relationship.

398
00:19:18,224 --> 00:19:21,561
Was there a major
jealousy going on?

399
00:19:21,661 --> 00:19:24,664
The detective asked Scott
if he knew of anyone

400
00:19:24,764 --> 00:19:27,033
who had a problem
with Desiree.

401
00:19:27,133 --> 00:19:29,302
Nothing.

402
00:19:29,402 --> 00:19:31,838
I mean,
who hates an art teacher?

403
00:19:31,938 --> 00:19:33,106
It's an elective.

404
00:19:33,206 --> 00:19:35,975
The detective took a break
and stepped out.

405
00:19:36,075 --> 00:19:37,910
{\an8}Just sit tight
for a second.

406
00:19:42,715 --> 00:19:45,652
{\an8}And Scott
kept the conversation going

407
00:19:45,752 --> 00:19:47,453
{\an8}with himself.

408
00:20:05,905 --> 00:20:08,541
This moment immediately
stood out to me,

409
00:20:08,641 --> 00:20:10,276
watching Scott
talk to himself

410
00:20:10,376 --> 00:20:12,178
in the interrogation room.

411
00:20:12,278 --> 00:20:14,180
Of course, no one knows
how they would act

412
00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:16,082
under that kind of pressure.

413
00:20:16,182 --> 00:20:18,785
A loved one killed
and police asking questions,

414
00:20:18,885 --> 00:20:21,454
and hopefully
we never find out.

415
00:20:21,554 --> 00:20:23,489
But if you hadn't
done anything wrong,

416
00:20:23,589 --> 00:20:25,892
you wouldn't expect
to have to coach yourself

417
00:20:25,992 --> 00:20:27,327
to stay calm.

418
00:20:27,427 --> 00:20:29,429
Scott's interview
felt rehearsed,

419
00:20:29,529 --> 00:20:31,197
almost like a performance.

420
00:20:31,297 --> 00:20:33,333
And that's what investigators
saw as well.

421
00:20:37,770 --> 00:20:40,039
All the suspects
I've interviewed over the years,

422
00:20:40,139 --> 00:20:43,176
that's one of the first times
I've seen that.

423
00:20:43,276 --> 00:20:45,478
He was just like, he's really
psyching himself up,

424
00:20:45,578 --> 00:20:50,283
that he wanted to have
his emotions in control.

425
00:20:50,383 --> 00:20:52,352
Was that suspicious to you?

426
00:20:52,452 --> 00:20:55,388
Very suspicious.
Very suspicious.

427
00:20:55,488 --> 00:20:59,425
Meanwhile, investigators
had been gathering evidence.

428
00:20:59,525 --> 00:21:02,462
There was some DNA
under Desiree's fingernails.

429
00:21:02,562 --> 00:21:05,365
That's correct.
That was sent to the lab.

430
00:21:05,465 --> 00:21:08,034
There was also a shoe print
on the carpet

431
00:21:08,134 --> 00:21:11,170
a few feet
from Desiree's body.

432
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:12,705
The person
who made that print

433
00:21:12,805 --> 00:21:14,140
had stepped in some blood.

434
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,476
You were wearing
those shoes.

435
00:21:16,576 --> 00:21:19,312
- Yeah.
- When you went to the house.

436
00:21:19,412 --> 00:21:22,181
How important was that
piece of evidence?

437
00:21:22,281 --> 00:21:24,217
If we found the correct shoe,
that would match that,

438
00:21:24,317 --> 00:21:27,153
that would be very huge.

439
00:21:27,253 --> 00:21:30,523
They also collected
security video from the area

440
00:21:30,623 --> 00:21:32,659
looking for Scott's car.

441
00:21:32,759 --> 00:21:34,494
And they took his phone.

442
00:21:34,594 --> 00:21:36,562
Then they let him go.

443
00:21:36,663 --> 00:21:39,198
So we can
about wrap it up here.

444
00:21:39,299 --> 00:21:41,401
There was nothing
that we could, uh,

445
00:21:41,501 --> 00:21:44,871
even come remotely close
to charging him

446
00:21:44,971 --> 00:21:46,906
with the murder
of his wife,

447
00:21:47,006 --> 00:21:49,776
um, just because he-
He was acting funny.

448
00:21:49,876 --> 00:21:52,879
But by the time he walked out
of the sheriff's office,

449
00:21:52,979 --> 00:21:56,716
detectives weren't the only ones
wondering about Scott.

450
00:21:59,252 --> 00:22:00,620
- After Iraq...
- Mm-hmm.

451
00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,821
...he was
a different Scott.

452
00:22:01,921 --> 00:22:02,789
Different.

453
00:22:15,602 --> 00:22:17,770
The students
at Wapato Middle School

454
00:22:17,870 --> 00:22:19,672
were struggling.

455
00:22:19,772 --> 00:22:21,007
Desiree Sunford,

456
00:22:21,107 --> 00:22:26,079
the cool art teacher
in room 147, was gone.

457
00:22:26,179 --> 00:22:27,547
When kids
started finding out,

458
00:22:27,647 --> 00:22:29,515
those were
tough conversations.

459
00:22:29,615 --> 00:22:31,184
How were they taking it?

460
00:22:31,284 --> 00:22:34,954
We had a couple kiddos get
really angry, really angry.

461
00:22:35,054 --> 00:22:36,723
Fellow teacher
Michelle Howell

462
00:22:36,823 --> 00:22:40,693
was heartbroken too,
but she put on a brave face.

463
00:22:40,793 --> 00:22:42,662
In education,
you can't think about yourself.

464
00:22:42,762 --> 00:22:44,163
You gotta think about
your kids.

465
00:22:44,263 --> 00:22:48,768
Still, she realized
just how raw her emotions were

466
00:22:48,868 --> 00:22:52,171
when a student came up to her
during lunch break.

467
00:22:52,271 --> 00:22:54,574
And she goes, "I'm sorry
that your heart hurts."

468
00:22:54,674 --> 00:22:56,009
And I just broke down.

469
00:22:56,109 --> 00:22:57,577
And she goes,
"I'm gonna let you cry."

470
00:22:57,677 --> 00:22:58,778
Sure.

471
00:22:58,878 --> 00:23:01,781
But the commentary that
swirled about what happened

472
00:23:01,881 --> 00:23:03,850
and how it happened
and who did it...

473
00:23:03,950 --> 00:23:07,487
- Mm-hmm.
- That's where the tininess
of this valley

474
00:23:07,587 --> 00:23:08,988
starts to really play in.

475
00:23:09,088 --> 00:23:11,090
So there were all sorts
of wild theories flying around.

476
00:23:11,190 --> 00:23:12,959
Oh, stupid theories.

477
00:23:13,059 --> 00:23:16,529
There were supposedly that
one of our kids had done it,

478
00:23:16,629 --> 00:23:18,598
and then an angry parent
had done it.

479
00:23:18,698 --> 00:23:20,099
You just wanted to put
cotton in your ears

480
00:23:20,199 --> 00:23:21,234
so you don't listen.

481
00:23:21,334 --> 00:23:24,904
Who would wanna kill Des?
Nobody.

482
00:23:25,004 --> 00:23:27,507
At first, Kayla thought
it could have been related

483
00:23:27,607 --> 00:23:30,476
to the burglary that happened
a week earlier.

484
00:23:30,576 --> 00:23:32,812
Did you think
the person came back?

485
00:23:32,912 --> 00:23:34,781
Yeah.
I mean, that would be,

486
00:23:34,881 --> 00:23:39,686
I mean,
a logical explanation.

487
00:23:39,786 --> 00:23:43,056
When Kayla checked in
with Desiree's mother, Connie,

488
00:23:43,156 --> 00:23:45,959
she learned about
Scott's strange behavior

489
00:23:46,059 --> 00:23:47,827
at the crime scene.

490
00:23:47,927 --> 00:23:50,129
She told me that
Scott called the police

491
00:23:50,229 --> 00:23:52,932
because he didn't
wanna go in.

492
00:23:53,032 --> 00:23:58,504
And she was very upset
about it because

493
00:23:58,605 --> 00:24:01,941
he, you know, he's military,
he had a weapon,

494
00:24:02,041 --> 00:24:04,477
but he wouldn't go in
to see if his wife was okay.

495
00:24:04,577 --> 00:24:05,645
I remember thinking

496
00:24:05,745 --> 00:24:08,615
most spouses would
charge into that house

497
00:24:08,715 --> 00:24:11,284
trying to see what's happening
with their loved one.

498
00:24:11,384 --> 00:24:14,020
And yet,
Scott stayed outside.

499
00:24:14,120 --> 00:24:16,789
That decision had raised
questions for police, too.

500
00:24:16,889 --> 00:24:20,093
But others wondered if
his calm wasn't guilt at all,

501
00:24:20,193 --> 00:24:21,828
but conditioning.

502
00:24:21,928 --> 00:24:23,930
Maybe years of
military service,

503
00:24:24,030 --> 00:24:27,600
combat, and trauma
made him naturally stoic.

504
00:24:27,700 --> 00:24:29,669
Was his behavior
a defense mechanism

505
00:24:29,769 --> 00:24:31,504
or a red flag?

506
00:24:31,604 --> 00:24:33,272
It was a question
that stayed with me.

507
00:24:34,540 --> 00:24:38,478
Kayla wasn't surprised
that Scott seemed unemotional

508
00:24:38,578 --> 00:24:40,146
at the crime scene.

509
00:24:40,246 --> 00:24:41,114
For the Scott
that, you know,

510
00:24:41,214 --> 00:24:42,582
that's not
outside of his character.

511
00:24:42,682 --> 00:24:43,816
Correct.

512
00:24:43,916 --> 00:24:45,652
He was not
an emotional person.

513
00:24:45,752 --> 00:24:46,653
Mm-hmm.

514
00:24:46,753 --> 00:24:49,322
So it wasn't out of
character for him.

515
00:24:49,422 --> 00:24:53,259
Michelle wasn't willing
to give Scott that pass.

516
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,663
You could not pay me enough
to stand outside

517
00:24:56,763 --> 00:24:58,298
if I thought
that someone I loved

518
00:24:58,398 --> 00:24:59,832
or someone
that I cared about

519
00:24:59,933 --> 00:25:03,236
was hurt, or dying, or dead
inside anywhere.

520
00:25:03,336 --> 00:25:06,306
So when you heard that,
what did that make you think?

521
00:25:06,406 --> 00:25:08,041
I was super confused.

522
00:25:08,141 --> 00:25:09,475
I was really confused.

523
00:25:09,575 --> 00:25:11,244
Why would you wait?

524
00:25:11,344 --> 00:25:13,079
Like, why--
What would stop you?

525
00:25:13,179 --> 00:25:15,615
Like, what if
she was still alive?

526
00:25:15,715 --> 00:25:17,216
Desiree's brother Casey,

527
00:25:17,317 --> 00:25:21,120
wondered if Scott knew more
than he was letting on.

528
00:25:21,220 --> 00:25:24,190
I never told mom this.

529
00:25:24,290 --> 00:25:25,525
I never told anybody.

530
00:25:25,625 --> 00:25:27,694
And I kept saying
to myself,

531
00:25:27,794 --> 00:25:30,296
if Scott had anything
to do with this.

532
00:25:30,396 --> 00:25:35,401
It's one of those
gut feelings that there was...

533
00:25:35,501 --> 00:25:38,338
something he wasn't saying,
telling us.

534
00:25:38,438 --> 00:25:41,107
Kim O'Dell had the same
gut feeling.

535
00:25:41,207 --> 00:25:43,543
She had known Scott
since middle school,

536
00:25:43,643 --> 00:25:46,179
and she saw how much his time
in the Army

537
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:48,281
had changed him.

538
00:25:48,381 --> 00:25:49,816
After Iraq...
- Mm-hmm.

539
00:25:49,916 --> 00:25:51,117
...he was a different Scott.

540
00:25:51,217 --> 00:25:52,552
- Different.
- How?

541
00:25:52,652 --> 00:25:53,786
Completely different.

542
00:25:53,886 --> 00:25:58,291
Um, just a darker
sense of humor about things.

543
00:25:58,391 --> 00:26:00,893
Did Desiree ever say
anything about it?

544
00:26:00,994 --> 00:26:03,062
A little bit
here and there.

545
00:26:03,162 --> 00:26:04,263
So, she noticed
a shift, too?

546
00:26:04,364 --> 00:26:06,432
She did.
I think we all did,

547
00:26:06,532 --> 00:26:09,669
especially those of us
that were, um,

548
00:26:09,769 --> 00:26:11,504
that were close
before and after.

549
00:26:12,305 --> 00:26:13,606
People in Desiree's life

550
00:26:13,706 --> 00:26:17,944
noticed Scott seemed
more detached, less loving.

551
00:26:18,044 --> 00:26:19,579
And there was
another reason

552
00:26:19,679 --> 00:26:23,249
their marriage may not
have been rock solid.

553
00:26:23,349 --> 00:26:26,119
Had you heard that Desiree
was stepping out on Scott?

554
00:26:26,219 --> 00:26:27,720
I did.

555
00:26:27,820 --> 00:26:29,055
Years earlier,

556
00:26:29,155 --> 00:26:31,891
Kim found out
Desiree had cheated on Scott

557
00:26:31,991 --> 00:26:34,394
before they were married.

558
00:26:34,494 --> 00:26:36,262
Did she ever tell Scott
about this?

559
00:26:36,362 --> 00:26:37,363
She did.

560
00:26:37,463 --> 00:26:39,198
Did they have to
try and patch things up?

561
00:26:39,299 --> 00:26:40,667
What did that look like?

562
00:26:40,767 --> 00:26:44,203
I think that there was
a lot of trust lost in that,

563
00:26:44,304 --> 00:26:49,142
and I think that it was
slowly them trying to rebuild.

564
00:26:49,242 --> 00:26:51,311
Between Desiree's
infidelity

565
00:26:51,411 --> 00:26:53,579
and the change
she saw in Scott,

566
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,350
Kim wondered
if Scott had just snapped.

567
00:26:57,450 --> 00:27:00,286
I thought
Scott lost his mind.

568
00:27:00,386 --> 00:27:03,890
Scott found out about things
that had happened in the past,

569
00:27:03,990 --> 00:27:05,858
and he lost his mind.

570
00:27:05,959 --> 00:27:09,262
{\an8}Desiree's loved ones
were grasping for answers.

571
00:27:09,362 --> 00:27:10,897
{\an8}But what they didn't know

572
00:27:10,997 --> 00:27:14,634
{\an8}was detectives thought
they might already have one

573
00:27:14,734 --> 00:27:16,502
{\an8}in Paige Blades,

574
00:27:16,603 --> 00:27:20,006
{\an8}who was about to tell
investigators her story.

575
00:27:43,730 --> 00:27:47,467
Detectives wasted no time
in contacting the other woman

576
00:27:47,567 --> 00:27:51,037
in Scott's
and maybe Desiree's life.

577
00:27:51,137 --> 00:27:53,172
Paige Blades.

578
00:27:53,272 --> 00:27:55,008
How quickly
did you go see her?

579
00:27:55,108 --> 00:27:56,309
It was later that morning.

580
00:27:56,409 --> 00:27:59,579
It was around 8, 9 o'clock
that morning.

581
00:28:00,813 --> 00:28:03,182
Paige said
she didn't have money for gas,

582
00:28:03,283 --> 00:28:06,052
so detectives drove
almost two hours to her house.

583
00:28:08,721 --> 00:28:09,822
{\an8}She was 23,

584
00:28:09,923 --> 00:28:12,191
{\an8}shared a young son
with an ex-boyfriend,

585
00:28:12,292 --> 00:28:13,993
{\an8}and she worked at
a food processing plant

586
00:28:14,093 --> 00:28:16,696
{\an8}in Moses Lake,
Desiree's hometown.

587
00:28:25,605 --> 00:28:27,307
How long did you
talk with her?

588
00:28:27,407 --> 00:28:29,509
We probably talked with her
an hour, hour and a half.

589
00:28:29,609 --> 00:28:32,178
How did she come across
to you in that conversation?

590
00:28:32,278 --> 00:28:34,514
{\an8}Didn't seem
to be too concerned.

591
00:29:15,555 --> 00:29:19,492
{\an8}Paige said she and Scott
soon became more than friends.

592
00:29:56,429 --> 00:29:57,931
{\an8}Just as Scott had told them,

593
00:29:58,031 --> 00:30:00,333
{\an8}Paige said it was all good,

594
00:30:00,433 --> 00:30:02,969
{\an8}that Desiree
was perfectly comfortable

595
00:30:03,069 --> 00:30:06,139
{\an8}with the arrangement
until she wasn't.

596
00:30:06,239 --> 00:30:09,242
{\an8}That was about seven months
before her murder.

597
00:30:28,194 --> 00:30:30,496
So now you're getting
a different picture, perhaps,

598
00:30:30,596 --> 00:30:32,031
of this relationship,

599
00:30:32,131 --> 00:30:34,100
than the one that Scott
was portraying,

600
00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,436
that Desiree wasn't
completely onboard

601
00:30:36,536 --> 00:30:38,504
with their dealings.

602
00:30:38,605 --> 00:30:40,406
That's correct.

603
00:30:40,506 --> 00:30:44,744
{\an8}Paige said her relationship
with Desiree may have cooled,

604
00:30:44,844 --> 00:30:48,047
{\an8}but the affair with Scott
continued,

605
00:30:48,147 --> 00:30:51,084
{\an8}right up until the night
of Desiree's murder.

606
00:31:03,763 --> 00:31:05,665
So once we learn
about Paige Blades

607
00:31:05,765 --> 00:31:07,367
and hear her side
of the story,

608
00:31:07,467 --> 00:31:10,570
this adds a whole new level
of complexity.

609
00:31:10,670 --> 00:31:13,239
Unlike Scott,
Paige said that Desiree

610
00:31:13,339 --> 00:31:14,941
wasn't completely onboard

611
00:31:15,041 --> 00:31:17,210
with their cozy
little throuple.

612
00:31:17,310 --> 00:31:19,545
And it appeared Desiree
may not have known

613
00:31:19,646 --> 00:31:20,480
the full truth

614
00:31:20,580 --> 00:31:22,682
of Scott's involvement
with Paige.

615
00:31:22,782 --> 00:31:25,585
That gap between
what one person believes

616
00:31:25,685 --> 00:31:27,654
and what another
is actually doing

617
00:31:27,754 --> 00:31:29,122
can be dangerous.

618
00:31:29,222 --> 00:31:30,857
And it's why
investigators told me

619
00:31:30,957 --> 00:31:33,760
they had to take
a much closer look at Paige.

620
00:31:35,395 --> 00:31:36,529
As she talked,

621
00:31:36,629 --> 00:31:40,366
detectives thought she sounded
a little too practiced.

622
00:31:56,883 --> 00:32:00,920
{\an8}We asked her if Scott had
told her to give him an alibi,

623
00:32:01,020 --> 00:32:03,656
{\an8}or tell her what to
tell the police,

624
00:32:03,756 --> 00:32:05,658
{\an8}or anything like that,
she said no.

625
00:32:05,758 --> 00:32:08,194
{\an8}He never talked to her

626
00:32:08,294 --> 00:32:11,898
{\an8}other than he notified her
that Desiree had been killed.

627
00:32:28,514 --> 00:32:30,984
Did she come across
as believable to you?

628
00:32:31,084 --> 00:32:32,418
For the most part, yes.

629
00:32:32,518 --> 00:32:36,289
But there was still
a bit of doubt there somewhere.

630
00:32:36,389 --> 00:32:37,523
There was.

631
00:32:37,624 --> 00:32:40,593
We weren't sure if she was
really telling us the truth.

632
00:32:40,693 --> 00:32:43,296
Do you kinda put
a bookmark next to her name,

633
00:32:43,396 --> 00:32:44,564
thinking,

634
00:32:44,664 --> 00:32:46,866
she's somebody we're gonna
have to dig further into.

635
00:32:46,966 --> 00:32:48,601
{\an8}Yeah.
We need to find out

636
00:32:48,701 --> 00:32:51,070
{\an8}how deep a relationship
they have.

637
00:32:51,170 --> 00:32:53,406
{\an8}Did they see each other more
than what she was telling us,

638
00:32:53,506 --> 00:32:55,375
{\an8}or what
Scott was telling us?

639
00:33:00,980 --> 00:33:04,717
Later, when detectives spoke
to those close to Desiree,

640
00:33:04,817 --> 00:33:07,353
Paige's and Scott's stories
of a lovely,

641
00:33:07,453 --> 00:33:11,190
amicable three-way
didn't seem plausible.

642
00:33:11,291 --> 00:33:14,694
Kim said she'd never heard
of Paige.

643
00:33:14,794 --> 00:33:16,429
Desiree never mentioned her
as a friend?

644
00:33:16,529 --> 00:33:17,630
No.

645
00:33:17,730 --> 00:33:20,266
When you first hear
about her

646
00:33:20,366 --> 00:33:23,636
and kind of her connection
in their world,

647
00:33:23,736 --> 00:33:24,771
what did you think?

648
00:33:24,871 --> 00:33:28,174
It just seemed
an odd situation.

649
00:33:28,274 --> 00:33:30,810
Like, as far as them
having a relationship,

650
00:33:30,910 --> 00:33:36,015
the three of them,
I didn't ever see it from her.

651
00:33:36,115 --> 00:33:39,252
I just didn't see that
she would ever

652
00:33:39,352 --> 00:33:40,820
venture into that.

653
00:33:41,988 --> 00:33:45,058
Kayla hadn't heard
of Paige either.

654
00:33:45,158 --> 00:33:47,560
Never heard of
her name before.

655
00:33:47,660 --> 00:33:51,564
She also didn't buy the idea
of a three-way affair.

656
00:33:51,664 --> 00:33:54,067
Oh, my gosh.

657
00:33:54,167 --> 00:33:57,637
It's like one of those
crazy movies.

658
00:33:57,737 --> 00:34:00,873
The things you only see
in movies.

659
00:34:00,974 --> 00:34:04,877
But could Desiree have
hidden such an affair?

660
00:34:04,978 --> 00:34:07,780
To detectives,
anything seemed possible.

661
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,450
In a case that would be
loaded with secrets.

662
00:34:10,550 --> 00:34:13,152
You get a tip
that Paige was pregnant

663
00:34:13,253 --> 00:34:16,322
with Scott's baby
when the murder happened.

664
00:34:29,402 --> 00:34:31,804
Two weeks
after Desiree was killed,

665
00:34:31,904 --> 00:34:34,774
her family and friends
gathered for a funeral

666
00:34:34,874 --> 00:34:37,910
as unique as
the woman herself.

667
00:34:38,011 --> 00:34:42,015
They had her Harley
in there and...

668
00:34:42,115 --> 00:34:46,052
- Inside the church.
- Yeah.

669
00:34:46,152 --> 00:34:49,922
There was a beautiful poem
that I don't know who read,

670
00:34:50,023 --> 00:34:54,427
but it was The Dash.
- Mm-hmm.

671
00:34:54,527 --> 00:34:57,230
And it was basically
talking about,

672
00:34:57,330 --> 00:34:59,265
you know,
the day you're born,

673
00:34:59,365 --> 00:35:02,402
and then the dash,
and then the day you die,

674
00:35:02,502 --> 00:35:05,371
and they wanna
focus on the dash,

675
00:35:05,471 --> 00:35:06,472
that time.

676
00:35:06,572 --> 00:35:09,842
When you think about
that poem with Desiree,

677
00:35:09,943 --> 00:35:12,011
did you feel that she lived
that dash to the fullest?

678
00:35:12,111 --> 00:35:15,882
- Oh, yeah.
- Yeah.

679
00:35:15,982 --> 00:35:21,054
What other Harley drivin',
gun slingin',

680
00:35:21,154 --> 00:35:24,223
art teacher...
- Car restoring.

681
00:35:24,324 --> 00:35:26,693
- Yeah.
- She did it all.

682
00:35:26,793 --> 00:35:29,596
She did.

683
00:35:29,696 --> 00:35:32,398
Scott was there
at the funeral, of course,

684
00:35:32,498 --> 00:35:33,900
but for Michelle,

685
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:37,070
that memory is not
a pleasant one.

686
00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:38,638
If I lost my spouse,

687
00:35:38,738 --> 00:35:39,539
if I lost someone
that I loved

688
00:35:39,639 --> 00:35:40,707
and someone
that I cared about,

689
00:35:40,807 --> 00:35:42,775
I sure as hell wouldn't be
smiling at their funeral.

690
00:35:42,875 --> 00:35:44,811
- Scott was smiling?
- Mm-hmm.

691
00:35:44,911 --> 00:35:45,845
Multiple occasions.

692
00:35:45,945 --> 00:35:47,747
We watched him on his phone
walk outside,

693
00:35:47,847 --> 00:35:50,249
because the back part of
the church that we were in,

694
00:35:50,350 --> 00:35:53,052
this open venue,
there was a wall of windows,

695
00:35:53,152 --> 00:35:55,622
and he's on his phone
smoking a cigarette outside

696
00:35:55,722 --> 00:35:57,056
with a smile on his face.

697
00:35:57,156 --> 00:36:00,360
By now, we know
there are no rules to grief.

698
00:36:00,460 --> 00:36:03,096
It simply doesn't look
the same on everyone.

699
00:36:03,196 --> 00:36:05,965
And that's always part of
my approach in an interview.

700
00:36:06,065 --> 00:36:07,700
Could this
just be someone's way

701
00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,036
of coping
with immense pain?

702
00:36:10,136 --> 00:36:11,804
But when does that
cross the line

703
00:36:11,904 --> 00:36:16,009
from grieving differently,
to being downright suspicious?

704
00:36:16,109 --> 00:36:17,510
One can't help
looking at this

705
00:36:17,610 --> 00:36:19,545
and thinking,
at the very least,

706
00:36:19,646 --> 00:36:21,714
Scott knows more about
his wife's death

707
00:36:21,814 --> 00:36:23,016
than he's letting on.

708
00:36:24,684 --> 00:36:27,220
Detective Johnson
was hearing similar stories

709
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,090
that Scott didn't seem like
the grieving spouse.

710
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:32,925
Just a couple days
after the funeral,

711
00:36:33,026 --> 00:36:35,695
he was talking to
a young lady

712
00:36:35,795 --> 00:36:38,865
at a motorcycle dealership.

713
00:36:38,965 --> 00:36:41,167
He asked for a hug,
which is kind of normal

714
00:36:41,267 --> 00:36:44,170
and, you know, need a little
emotional support.

715
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:45,972
But then he asked her
out to dinner.

716
00:36:46,072 --> 00:36:47,674
- Like, on a date?
- Yeah.

717
00:36:47,774 --> 00:36:49,876
It just didn't seem
to add up

718
00:36:49,976 --> 00:36:52,578
that he was
really devastated

719
00:36:52,679 --> 00:36:55,281
by the death of Desiree.

720
00:36:55,381 --> 00:36:57,183
But their suspicions
were based on

721
00:36:57,283 --> 00:36:59,285
more than his demeanor.

722
00:36:59,385 --> 00:37:01,421
About two months
after the murder,

723
00:37:01,521 --> 00:37:04,023
investigators got
what sounded like,

724
00:37:04,123 --> 00:37:06,192
explosive news.

725
00:37:06,292 --> 00:37:10,229
You get a tip that Paige
was pregnant with Scott's baby

726
00:37:10,330 --> 00:37:12,098
when the murder happened.

727
00:37:12,198 --> 00:37:14,000
What did you think
when you heard that?

728
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:16,202
That definitely
would be a motive

729
00:37:16,302 --> 00:37:18,237
to get Desiree
out of the picture?

730
00:37:18,338 --> 00:37:20,673
Does that change
this picture for you at all?

731
00:37:20,773 --> 00:37:22,742
It makes us work harder

732
00:37:22,842 --> 00:37:24,711
to find out
if there's any connection

733
00:37:24,811 --> 00:37:27,880
that would--
did Paige commit this crime,

734
00:37:27,981 --> 00:37:31,951
um, or did Scott have Paige
do it for him?

735
00:37:32,051 --> 00:37:34,787
It was just more
unanswered questions

736
00:37:34,887 --> 00:37:36,990
for the investigation.

737
00:37:37,090 --> 00:37:39,559
But then some questions
were answered

738
00:37:39,659 --> 00:37:41,828
when the lab results
came back.

739
00:37:41,928 --> 00:37:44,264
The DNA found under
Desiree's fingernails

740
00:37:44,364 --> 00:37:47,600
was male DNA, but...

741
00:37:47,700 --> 00:37:49,068
wasn't Scott's DNA.

742
00:37:49,168 --> 00:37:50,403
It was not.

743
00:37:50,503 --> 00:37:53,673
Results on the bloody
shoe print also came in.

744
00:37:53,773 --> 00:37:56,042
No connection to Scott.

745
00:37:56,142 --> 00:37:58,344
We had nothing
in the house that matched

746
00:37:58,444 --> 00:38:01,681
any type of shoes
that he had in the house.

747
00:38:01,781 --> 00:38:03,783
And the evidence
from his phone...

748
00:38:03,883 --> 00:38:06,019
When you were going through
that cell phone data,

749
00:38:06,119 --> 00:38:09,055
did it tell you
where Scott and Paige were

750
00:38:09,155 --> 00:38:10,390
at the time of
the killing?

751
00:38:10,490 --> 00:38:13,526
It showed that he was
in the Tri Cities area

752
00:38:13,626 --> 00:38:14,927
during those times.

753
00:38:15,028 --> 00:38:17,063
It was on the route
that he would take,

754
00:38:17,163 --> 00:38:19,699
so nothing was suspicious.

755
00:38:19,799 --> 00:38:21,301
They confirmed
that Scott's phone

756
00:38:21,401 --> 00:38:23,569
wasn't at the scene
of the crime.

757
00:38:23,670 --> 00:38:25,538
Neither was Paige's.

758
00:38:25,638 --> 00:38:29,309
And all those gas station
security cameras they checked,

759
00:38:29,409 --> 00:38:32,445
there was no sign of
Scott's car near his home

760
00:38:32,545 --> 00:38:34,213
at the time of the murder.

761
00:38:34,314 --> 00:38:35,715
It's like you've got
a lot of shiny pennies,

762
00:38:35,815 --> 00:38:38,785
but they're not adding up
to much at this point.

763
00:38:38,885 --> 00:38:42,055
Does your investigation
start to go cold?

764
00:38:42,155 --> 00:38:44,157
Oh, yes.

765
00:38:44,257 --> 00:38:47,060
Months passed
without an arrest.

766
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:48,428
How hard was that time
for you?

767
00:38:48,528 --> 00:38:50,163
It was awful.

768
00:38:50,263 --> 00:38:51,631
It was awful.

769
00:38:51,731 --> 00:38:53,399
There was all the other
headlines,

770
00:38:53,499 --> 00:38:58,871
all the other things going on,
and she was forgotten.

771
00:39:00,573 --> 00:39:02,642
But her students
didn't forget,

772
00:39:02,742 --> 00:39:04,944
and they still
wanted answers.

773
00:39:05,044 --> 00:39:05,778
When they became
eighth graders,

774
00:39:05,878 --> 00:39:06,746
they were like,

775
00:39:06,846 --> 00:39:08,081
"Whatever happened
to that teacher?"

776
00:39:08,181 --> 00:39:10,750
Like, "Did they ever
figure out who did it?"

777
00:39:10,850 --> 00:39:12,552
And I would just say,
"I don't know,"

778
00:39:12,652 --> 00:39:14,387
and I would move on.

779
00:39:14,487 --> 00:39:15,455
It's not really a conversation
you wanna have

780
00:39:15,555 --> 00:39:16,789
with a 13
or 14 year old.

781
00:39:16,889 --> 00:39:18,191
Sure.

782
00:39:18,291 --> 00:39:20,026
Michelle thought
an art project

783
00:39:20,126 --> 00:39:23,062
dedicated to Desiree
might help.

784
00:39:23,162 --> 00:39:26,666
We spent a Saturday creating
this piece of artwork

785
00:39:26,766 --> 00:39:29,135
that is up in our library.

786
00:39:29,235 --> 00:39:31,204
We invaded her classroom
and used all of her pastels

787
00:39:31,304 --> 00:39:33,773
and just built this thing.

788
00:39:33,873 --> 00:39:34,907
And then I took it
to my classroom

789
00:39:35,008 --> 00:39:36,209
and any of the kids
who wanted to come in

790
00:39:36,309 --> 00:39:39,712
and be part of that and put
their artwork on there for her

791
00:39:39,812 --> 00:39:41,114
and create a tile
of their own for her

792
00:39:41,214 --> 00:39:43,282
is what we called it.
And they did.

793
00:39:43,383 --> 00:39:46,352
That's beautiful.

794
00:39:46,452 --> 00:39:49,422
Meanwhile, investigators
were taking a harder look

795
00:39:49,522 --> 00:39:50,923
at Paige Blades,

796
00:39:51,024 --> 00:39:53,593
the third wheel
in the Sunfords marriage.

797
00:39:53,693 --> 00:39:56,963
Turns out there was
another man in Paige's orbit.

798
00:39:57,063 --> 00:39:58,598
She'd brought him up
in her interview

799
00:39:58,698 --> 00:40:00,099
with the detectives.

800
00:40:51,517 --> 00:40:53,953
Detectives learned
Paige's ex boyfriend Dylan

801
00:40:54,053 --> 00:40:56,556
had actually been involved
in a shooting death

802
00:40:56,656 --> 00:40:58,324
two years earlier.

803
00:40:58,424 --> 00:41:00,793
He told officers
two men came to his home

804
00:41:00,893 --> 00:41:03,229
in Moses Lake
and assaulted him.

805
00:41:03,329 --> 00:41:05,999
So he shot one of them
in self-defense.

806
00:41:06,099 --> 00:41:09,135
It was ruled
a justifiable homicide.

807
00:41:09,235 --> 00:41:11,437
You did bring Dylan in
to talk to him, correct?

808
00:41:11,537 --> 00:41:12,472
Oh, certainly.

809
00:41:12,572 --> 00:41:14,240
We wanted to find out
the relationship

810
00:41:14,340 --> 00:41:16,242
that he had with Paige.

811
00:41:16,342 --> 00:41:18,311
Did he know anything about
the relationship

812
00:41:18,411 --> 00:41:20,113
between Scott and Paige,

813
00:41:20,213 --> 00:41:22,248
did he know anything
about Desiree?

814
00:41:22,348 --> 00:41:23,216
Did you ask him where he was

815
00:41:23,316 --> 00:41:24,684
the night that Desiree
was killed?

816
00:41:24,784 --> 00:41:26,052
Certainly.

817
00:41:26,152 --> 00:41:27,120
What did he tell you?

818
00:41:27,220 --> 00:41:30,657
He was home
in Moses Lake area.

819
00:41:30,757 --> 00:41:32,258
At the time of
Desiree's murder.

820
00:41:32,358 --> 00:41:35,862
He had two firearms
registered in his name,

821
00:41:35,962 --> 00:41:37,730
but neither
was the same caliber

822
00:41:37,830 --> 00:41:40,934
as the gun
that killed Desiree.

823
00:41:41,034 --> 00:41:43,870
And his alibi checked out.

824
00:41:43,970 --> 00:41:45,038
What's more,

825
00:41:45,138 --> 00:41:47,707
when Paige gave birth
toward the end of the year,

826
00:41:47,807 --> 00:41:50,610
Dylan asked for
a paternity test.

827
00:41:50,710 --> 00:41:55,615
It showed the baby was his,
not Scott's.

828
00:41:55,715 --> 00:41:59,452
So in the end, Paige's baby
didn't matter to the case.

829
00:41:59,552 --> 00:42:02,422
But that didn't mean
there weren't serious problems

830
00:42:02,522 --> 00:42:04,991
between Paige, Scott
and Desiree

831
00:42:05,091 --> 00:42:07,226
in the months
before the murder.

832
00:42:07,327 --> 00:42:10,229
Investigators learned
a whole lot about that

833
00:42:10,330 --> 00:42:13,499
when the digital evidence
finally came back.

834
00:42:13,599 --> 00:42:17,070
There it was,
a trove of eye-opening texts

835
00:42:17,170 --> 00:42:18,871
between Desiree and Paige

836
00:42:18,972 --> 00:42:21,140
that told a dramatically
new story

837
00:42:21,240 --> 00:42:24,277
about the two women
and Scott.

838
00:42:24,377 --> 00:42:26,212
He was not being
very honest with us.

839
00:42:36,689 --> 00:42:39,259
As detectives searched for
Desiree Sunford's killer,

840
00:42:39,359 --> 00:42:41,594
they uncovered text messages
between Desiree

841
00:42:41,694 --> 00:42:43,463
and Paige Blades.

842
00:42:43,563 --> 00:42:45,765
Messages that were
raised new questions

843
00:42:45,865 --> 00:42:49,369
about what Scott Sunford
had been telling police.

844
00:42:49,469 --> 00:42:51,838
He was not being
very honest with us.

845
00:42:51,938 --> 00:42:54,407
He was not being forthright
about his relationship

846
00:42:54,507 --> 00:42:55,508
with his wife,

847
00:42:55,608 --> 00:42:58,945
or it really isn't
relationship with Paige.

848
00:42:59,045 --> 00:43:01,948
The texts began more than
a year before the murder

849
00:43:02,048 --> 00:43:04,384
and early on showed
a close friendship

850
00:43:04,484 --> 00:43:05,952
between the two women.

851
00:43:06,052 --> 00:43:07,220
Desiree wrote...

852
00:43:10,156 --> 00:43:11,524
Paige answered...

853
00:43:18,464 --> 00:43:22,568
They alluded to one night
that wasn't strictly platonic.

854
00:43:22,669 --> 00:43:24,170
Desiree wrote...

855
00:43:30,910 --> 00:43:32,111
Paige responded...

856
00:43:35,615 --> 00:43:37,350
But there was no evidence
that they were engaged

857
00:43:37,450 --> 00:43:39,786
in an ongoing affair.

858
00:43:39,886 --> 00:43:42,588
In fact, about
three weeks later,

859
00:43:42,689 --> 00:43:44,991
the texts showed Desiree
getting tired

860
00:43:45,091 --> 00:43:47,093
of Paige living
in her home.

861
00:43:47,193 --> 00:43:50,129
She wanted more privacy
with Scott.

862
00:43:50,229 --> 00:43:51,965
Desiree wrote...

863
00:44:01,975 --> 00:44:03,509
Paige responded...

864
00:44:10,383 --> 00:44:11,584
Desiree wrote...

865
00:44:19,392 --> 00:44:22,795
What does this tell you
about Paige and Desiree

866
00:44:22,895 --> 00:44:24,998
and their relationship?
- It was deteriorating.

867
00:44:25,098 --> 00:44:28,534
They weren't the friends
that they started out to be

868
00:44:28,635 --> 00:44:32,238
and that there was
becoming a wedge in Scott

869
00:44:32,338 --> 00:44:34,941
and Desiree's relationship,

870
00:44:35,041 --> 00:44:38,878
that Desiree was becoming
more jealous of Paige

871
00:44:38,978 --> 00:44:42,282
and just did not want, uh,
her involved in their, um--

872
00:44:42,382 --> 00:44:44,083
in their-- at their home.

873
00:44:44,183 --> 00:44:45,785
I remember
the first time I learned

874
00:44:45,885 --> 00:44:47,553
about these text messages,

875
00:44:47,654 --> 00:44:50,690
and I knew, okay,
this is a turning point.

876
00:44:50,790 --> 00:44:53,559
These days, there is always
a digital footprint,

877
00:44:53,660 --> 00:44:56,162
and oftentimes it can cut
through the murkiness

878
00:44:56,262 --> 00:44:57,697
of competing stories.

879
00:44:57,797 --> 00:45:00,333
Through these texts,
we finally hear Desiree

880
00:45:00,433 --> 00:45:02,101
in her own words.

881
00:45:02,201 --> 00:45:04,103
What she knew,
what she didn't,

882
00:45:04,203 --> 00:45:06,940
and most importantly,
just how uncomfortable

883
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:08,308
she had become.

884
00:45:08,408 --> 00:45:11,878
And they reveal a rather sharp,
angry side of Paige

885
00:45:11,978 --> 00:45:15,581
that investigators
previously hadn't seen.

886
00:45:17,150 --> 00:45:19,252
The texts also revealed
something else.

887
00:45:19,352 --> 00:45:21,120
Not only was
Desiree unhappy,

888
00:45:21,220 --> 00:45:25,391
she had no idea Scott
and Paige were intimate.

889
00:45:25,491 --> 00:45:26,659
She texted Paige...

890
00:45:31,698 --> 00:45:32,966
Paige answered...

891
00:45:37,537 --> 00:45:38,938
In her messages,
it doesn't seem

892
00:45:39,038 --> 00:45:41,407
that Desiree has
any knowledge or thought

893
00:45:41,507 --> 00:45:45,645
that Paige and Scott
are intimate at all.

894
00:45:45,745 --> 00:45:48,548
As far as we can tell
that Desiree did not know

895
00:45:48,648 --> 00:45:50,583
that this affair
was going on.

896
00:45:51,985 --> 00:45:54,520
From the texts, it's clear
that Desiree was worried

897
00:45:54,621 --> 00:45:56,022
about her marriage,

898
00:45:56,122 --> 00:45:58,524
and Paige was
making it worse.

899
00:45:58,625 --> 00:46:02,328
In some exchanges,
she was downright brutal.

900
00:46:02,428 --> 00:46:06,065
There was one where Paige
texted Desiree and said,

901
00:46:06,165 --> 00:46:08,201
"I'm fairly convinced
that in the event

902
00:46:08,301 --> 00:46:11,037
"of your demise,
I would be the chosen one."

903
00:46:11,137 --> 00:46:12,872
Oh, my gosh.

904
00:46:12,972 --> 00:46:16,409
Desiree says, "Huh?"
And Paige goes on to say,

905
00:46:16,509 --> 00:46:19,545
"If you ever die,
and he needs a wife,

906
00:46:19,646 --> 00:46:21,981
"I'm half convinced
that would be me."

907
00:46:24,017 --> 00:46:25,251
Even just watching you,

908
00:46:25,351 --> 00:46:26,953
I can see that still
upsets you.

909
00:46:27,053 --> 00:46:28,087
Yes, it does.

910
00:46:28,187 --> 00:46:30,723
Like, why-why would
you even say that?

911
00:46:30,823 --> 00:46:33,893
After that, Desiree
finally pushed back,

912
00:46:33,993 --> 00:46:38,131
telling Paige to stay away
for good, texting...

913
00:46:45,405 --> 00:46:47,307
Paige's response...

914
00:46:52,078 --> 00:46:56,549
And then she hurled a couple
of obscenities at Desiree.

915
00:46:56,649 --> 00:46:58,985
I would imagine this
is an important detail

916
00:46:59,085 --> 00:47:00,486
in your investigation.

917
00:47:00,586 --> 00:47:03,823
It gave us an indication
that maybe there was a motive,

918
00:47:03,923 --> 00:47:06,926
that they wanted Desiree
out of their relationship

919
00:47:07,026 --> 00:47:11,364
so Scott and and Paige
to move on with their life.

920
00:47:12,498 --> 00:47:14,701
As provocative as
the texts were,

921
00:47:14,801 --> 00:47:17,437
they didn't reveal
a murder plot.

922
00:47:17,537 --> 00:47:21,674
But another call to the tip line
was about to change everything.

923
00:47:22,909 --> 00:47:25,144
Well, that gives us a new spark
in our investigation.

924
00:47:25,244 --> 00:47:26,980
Now we have a name.

925
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,484
A name and a wild story
about a stranger

926
00:47:31,584 --> 00:47:34,520
with a strange obsession.

927
00:47:43,630 --> 00:47:47,567
Almost 14 months had passed
since Desiree Sunford's murder,

928
00:47:47,667 --> 00:47:50,737
when out of nowhere,
a woman called

929
00:47:50,837 --> 00:47:54,741
the Yakima Sheriff's tip line
and left a message.

930
00:47:54,841 --> 00:47:56,042
What did the caller say?

931
00:47:56,142 --> 00:47:59,512
It said that the person that
killed Desiree Sunford

932
00:47:59,612 --> 00:48:02,248
was a Marty Grismer.
- And that's it?

933
00:48:02,348 --> 00:48:03,449
No other details?

934
00:48:03,549 --> 00:48:04,384
No other details.

935
00:48:04,484 --> 00:48:06,486
It's just a name
that had never come up

936
00:48:06,586 --> 00:48:08,554
in the investigation before.

937
00:48:08,655 --> 00:48:09,889
And that just
breathes new life

938
00:48:09,989 --> 00:48:11,658
into this investigation.

939
00:48:11,758 --> 00:48:13,726
Now, we got--
We got somebody to--

940
00:48:13,826 --> 00:48:15,528
to go after.

941
00:48:15,628 --> 00:48:17,597
Who was Marty Grismer?

942
00:48:17,697 --> 00:48:20,033
To figure that out,
job number one

943
00:48:20,133 --> 00:48:22,502
was to find the tipster.

944
00:48:22,602 --> 00:48:25,204
So we had to do
some tracking to find out

945
00:48:25,305 --> 00:48:27,206
who called that tip in.

946
00:48:27,307 --> 00:48:28,841
They traced
the phone call,

947
00:48:28,942 --> 00:48:30,810
and when they got
their answer,

948
00:48:30,910 --> 00:48:33,179
they couldn't believe it.

949
00:48:33,279 --> 00:48:34,314
Who was it?

950
00:48:34,414 --> 00:48:36,215
It was Paige Blades.

951
00:48:36,316 --> 00:48:38,951
You've not spoken to her
in months, but now suddenly,

952
00:48:39,052 --> 00:48:42,588
she's saying she knows
who the killer is.

953
00:48:42,689 --> 00:48:44,090
Where did that come from?

954
00:48:44,190 --> 00:48:45,959
It came
out of the blue.

955
00:48:46,059 --> 00:48:48,061
{\an8}Well, I really appreciate
you coming forward

956
00:48:48,161 --> 00:48:49,696
{\an8}with this information.

957
00:48:49,796 --> 00:48:51,564
{\an8}We brought Paige
to Yakima.

958
00:48:51,664 --> 00:48:54,033
We sat down and--
and, okay.

959
00:48:54,133 --> 00:48:55,835
You just can't drop
this bomb on us.

960
00:48:55,935 --> 00:48:57,303
How do you know this?

961
00:48:57,403 --> 00:48:59,205
Tell us everything
that you know about this,

962
00:48:59,305 --> 00:49:01,341
uh, Marty Grismer.

963
00:49:01,441 --> 00:49:04,110
{\an8}What does he do
for a living?

964
00:49:04,210 --> 00:49:06,346
{\an8}He's a team lead at
the plant that I work at.

965
00:49:06,446 --> 00:49:07,780
You guys dated for
a short time.

966
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,149
Right. Very, very briefly.

967
00:49:10,250 --> 00:49:12,719
Marty had recently
gotten married.

968
00:49:12,819 --> 00:49:16,956
Still, Paige said he kept
asking her for sex

969
00:49:17,056 --> 00:49:19,359
and would hit on her
at work.

970
00:49:19,459 --> 00:49:22,462
She let him know that
wasn't happening, ever.

971
00:49:22,562 --> 00:49:25,965
But he was a friend,
a really good friend.

972
00:49:26,065 --> 00:49:27,233
{\an8}He's the one
that got me the house.

973
00:49:27,333 --> 00:49:30,770
{\an8}He bought my car
outright with cash.

974
00:49:30,870 --> 00:49:32,672
{\an8}I still haven't paid
him back for it.

975
00:49:32,772 --> 00:49:33,940
{\an8}He pays my insurance.

976
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:36,409
{\an8}He's done
my grocery shopping.

977
00:49:36,509 --> 00:49:39,312
{\an8}He's taken very
well care of me.

978
00:49:39,412 --> 00:49:41,714
He was like her fixer,
she said,

979
00:49:41,814 --> 00:49:44,083
would do anything
for her,

980
00:49:44,183 --> 00:49:48,421
something she suggested
he took too far.

981
00:49:48,521 --> 00:49:52,158
{\an8}We had just found out about
three weeks before the shooting

982
00:49:52,258 --> 00:49:54,494
{\an8}that I was pregnant.

983
00:49:54,594 --> 00:49:57,997
{\an8}Marty was one of
the first people that I told.

984
00:49:58,097 --> 00:50:01,301
{\an8}And apparently
he decided

985
00:50:01,401 --> 00:50:05,705
{\an8}that if the baby was Scott's
like it was supposed to be,

986
00:50:05,805 --> 00:50:08,408
{\an8}then Desiree
would cause issues.

987
00:50:08,508 --> 00:50:11,311
And Paige claimed
Marty recently told her

988
00:50:11,411 --> 00:50:14,013
he took care
of those issues.

989
00:50:14,113 --> 00:50:15,481
Let me make sure
I understand.

990
00:50:15,581 --> 00:50:17,583
{\an8}He believed that--

991
00:50:17,684 --> 00:50:19,185
{\an8}well, you were pregnant.

992
00:50:19,285 --> 00:50:22,322
{\an8}At that time, you thought
it was Scott's baby?

993
00:50:22,422 --> 00:50:24,791
{\an8}He believed
it was Scott's baby.

994
00:50:24,891 --> 00:50:26,526
{\an8}He thought that Desiree was
going to make problems

995
00:50:26,626 --> 00:50:28,528
{\an8}for the two of you,

996
00:50:28,628 --> 00:50:31,230
{\an8}and so he decided the best way
to fix that problem

997
00:50:31,331 --> 00:50:35,134
{\an8}was to eliminate her
so that you could be happy.

998
00:50:35,234 --> 00:50:38,104
{\an8}So that we could
move forward. Yes.

999
00:50:38,204 --> 00:50:41,074
The baby wasn't Scott's,
of course.

1000
00:50:41,174 --> 00:50:43,943
Paige insisted Marty
didn't make this confession

1001
00:50:44,043 --> 00:50:48,414
until more than a year
after Desiree's murder.

1002
00:50:48,514 --> 00:50:51,417
She said she was shocked
when Marty told her,

1003
00:50:51,517 --> 00:50:54,253
especially since
her relationship with Scott

1004
00:50:54,354 --> 00:50:56,089
had cooled,

1005
00:50:56,189 --> 00:50:59,425
and Scott was
with another woman.

1006
00:50:59,525 --> 00:51:03,429
{\an8}She said Marty offered to
take care of that, too.

1007
00:51:03,529 --> 00:51:06,599
{\an8}I was explaining
to him what was going on.

1008
00:51:06,699 --> 00:51:08,935
{\an8}Um...
- With you and Scott?

1009
00:51:09,035 --> 00:51:11,804
{\an8}Yeah.

1010
00:51:11,904 --> 00:51:14,574
{\an8}And that he just--
He asked me...

1011
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:18,845
{\an8}And that, she said,

1012
00:51:18,945 --> 00:51:22,448
{\an8}is when she decided
to call the tip line.

1013
00:51:22,548 --> 00:51:25,818
I have to say, this may be
one of the strangest motives

1014
00:51:25,918 --> 00:51:27,787
for murder
I've ever heard.

1015
00:51:27,887 --> 00:51:30,857
Paige says Marty
didn't kill to be with her.

1016
00:51:30,957 --> 00:51:34,861
Rather, he killed so she could
be happy with someone else.

1017
00:51:34,961 --> 00:51:38,064
That's not jealousy as we
typically think of it.

1018
00:51:38,164 --> 00:51:40,300
It's a sort of
twisted devotion.

1019
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,502
So it presented an
interesting problem

1020
00:51:42,602 --> 00:51:43,903
for investigators.

1021
00:51:44,003 --> 00:51:46,072
Was Marty's motive
just too bizarre

1022
00:51:46,172 --> 00:51:47,707
to be taken seriously,

1023
00:51:47,807 --> 00:51:51,544
or was it so strange
it could actually be true?

1024
00:51:51,644 --> 00:51:55,882
Have you ever heard
a motive like that?

1025
00:51:55,982 --> 00:51:57,583
No, I've never had
a case like that before.

1026
00:51:57,684 --> 00:52:00,853
{\an8}That just
didn't make sense.

1027
00:52:00,954 --> 00:52:04,924
{\an8}Paige said Marty described
Desiree's murder in detail.

1028
00:52:05,024 --> 00:52:07,927
{\an8}She said Marty had
been to the house before

1029
00:52:08,027 --> 00:52:11,898
and knew there was a key
hidden near the front door.

1030
00:52:32,218 --> 00:52:34,988
These were very specific details
about this crime.

1031
00:52:35,088 --> 00:52:36,422
That's correct.

1032
00:52:36,522 --> 00:52:39,759
Details that only
the killer or somebody there

1033
00:52:39,859 --> 00:52:41,995
would have known.
- Right.

1034
00:52:42,095 --> 00:52:44,998
And those details
were gruesome.

1035
00:52:52,038 --> 00:52:55,008
He, uh, made it look
like a burglary.

1036
00:52:55,108 --> 00:52:57,777
He took the, uh,
board off the door

1037
00:52:57,877 --> 00:53:01,447
and, um, make it look like
that's how the entry was.

1038
00:53:01,547 --> 00:53:03,149
{\an8}He went back inside again,

1039
00:53:03,249 --> 00:53:05,418
{\an8}grabbed a jewelry box
off of her dresser.

1040
00:53:05,518 --> 00:53:06,719
{\an8}He left.

1041
00:53:06,819 --> 00:53:08,488
Locked the door,

1042
00:53:08,588 --> 00:53:11,591
put the key back
where it was hiding.

1043
00:53:11,691 --> 00:53:14,527
And this all happened
around 3, 3:30 that morning.

1044
00:53:14,627 --> 00:53:18,631
{\an8}He even told her
the type of gun he used.

1045
00:53:18,731 --> 00:53:20,566
{\an8}Marty said it was
a 9 millimeter.

1046
00:53:20,667 --> 00:53:23,970
{\an8}Did he say what kind of--
what brand?

1047
00:53:25,905 --> 00:53:28,408
{\an8}I don't think he
mentioned the brand.

1048
00:53:29,108 --> 00:53:31,411
It all lined up with
what detectives found

1049
00:53:31,511 --> 00:53:33,780
at the crime scene.

1050
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,582
Paige said Marty told
her he headed home

1051
00:53:36,683 --> 00:53:38,785
and got rid
of the evidence.

1052
00:53:49,562 --> 00:53:52,165
What was her demeanor
when she sat down

1053
00:53:52,265 --> 00:53:54,334
and told you what
Marty had said?

1054
00:53:54,434 --> 00:53:56,903
Did she seem scared?
- Very emotional.

1055
00:53:57,003 --> 00:53:59,138
She broke down and cried.

1056
00:53:59,238 --> 00:54:00,640
Just, uh--
she just couldn't believe

1057
00:54:00,740 --> 00:54:03,610
that he would do
such a thing.

1058
00:54:03,710 --> 00:54:04,978
Did you believe her?

1059
00:54:05,078 --> 00:54:06,446
We didn't have any reason
not to believe her

1060
00:54:06,546 --> 00:54:07,814
at this point.

1061
00:54:07,914 --> 00:54:09,449
She certainly
brought Marty

1062
00:54:09,549 --> 00:54:11,517
to the front
of the investigation,

1063
00:54:11,618 --> 00:54:14,687
and we needed
to do as much research

1064
00:54:14,787 --> 00:54:18,658
and investigating how
he would be involved.

1065
00:54:18,758 --> 00:54:23,329
And they had an idea of
how to find those answers.

1066
00:54:40,813 --> 00:54:43,516
But Marty wouldn't
make it easy.

1067
00:54:56,496 --> 00:54:59,265
Paige Blades had just
told Yakima detectives

1068
00:54:59,365 --> 00:55:00,833
that Marty Grismer,

1069
00:55:00,934 --> 00:55:03,970
her co worker
and sometimes fixer,

1070
00:55:04,070 --> 00:55:07,507
had confessed to murdering
Desiree Sunford.

1071
00:55:07,607 --> 00:55:10,176
What did you think
as you're listening to this?

1072
00:55:10,276 --> 00:55:13,780
We were wanting
to believe her,

1073
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,516
that this was the suspect
that was involved.

1074
00:55:16,616 --> 00:55:20,620
We were also, um,
wanting her to maybe

1075
00:55:20,720 --> 00:55:23,156
get him to tell
this story again.

1076
00:55:23,256 --> 00:55:26,793
Ideally, they'd record
that conversation.

1077
00:55:26,893 --> 00:55:30,296
So they asked Paige
to meet Marty again,

1078
00:55:30,396 --> 00:55:33,066
this time wearing
a wire.

1079
00:55:36,736 --> 00:55:39,639
Eight days later,
she and Marty got together

1080
00:55:39,739 --> 00:55:41,574
at a Starbucks
near work.

1081
00:55:46,779 --> 00:55:49,382
We had a team
of undercover officers.

1082
00:55:49,482 --> 00:55:50,817
We were hoping to
actually hear

1083
00:55:50,917 --> 00:55:52,919
what Marty had to say
about it,

1084
00:55:53,019 --> 00:55:54,621
in his own words.

1085
00:55:54,721 --> 00:55:57,924
If Marty was a killer,
this was risky,

1086
00:55:58,024 --> 00:56:00,193
both for Paige
and for police.

1087
00:56:00,293 --> 00:56:02,395
Asking Paige to wear
a wire meant

1088
00:56:02,495 --> 00:56:05,331
putting her face to face
with the same man

1089
00:56:05,431 --> 00:56:07,367
she said was
obsessed with her.

1090
00:56:07,467 --> 00:56:09,502
But she seemed
to want proof

1091
00:56:09,602 --> 00:56:11,537
to show she was
telling the truth,

1092
00:56:11,638 --> 00:56:16,042
even if it meant possibly
endangering herself to do it.

1093
00:56:16,142 --> 00:56:19,279
Paige tried to coax
the story out of Marty.

1094
00:56:43,036 --> 00:56:46,306
But it did not
go as we planned.

1095
00:56:46,406 --> 00:56:48,341
Marty seemed to be,
uh, looking around

1096
00:56:48,441 --> 00:56:50,343
like he was being
set up.

1097
00:56:50,443 --> 00:56:51,611
Kinda like he was
on to you.

1098
00:56:51,711 --> 00:56:52,578
Maybe.

1099
00:56:52,679 --> 00:56:54,213
Maybe he caught
a glimpse of somebody

1100
00:56:54,314 --> 00:56:59,552
or Paige was hinky about
how she was trying to ask him.

1101
00:56:59,652 --> 00:57:01,988
As undercover officers
snapped photos

1102
00:57:02,088 --> 00:57:04,791
of Paige and Marty leaving
the coffee shop,

1103
00:57:04,891 --> 00:57:06,626
Paige persisted.

1104
00:57:22,108 --> 00:57:24,644
The conversation
ended there.

1105
00:57:24,744 --> 00:57:26,112
We didn't get anything.
He was just--

1106
00:57:26,212 --> 00:57:28,648
he was
acting suspiciously,

1107
00:57:28,748 --> 00:57:31,985
but you can't take
that into court.

1108
00:57:32,085 --> 00:57:34,988
- Disappointing for you?
- It was.

1109
00:57:35,088 --> 00:57:38,324
We thought, uh, he would
tell her everything again,

1110
00:57:38,424 --> 00:57:40,126
but that just
didn't happen.

1111
00:57:40,226 --> 00:57:42,695
Marty had
no criminal history.

1112
00:57:42,795 --> 00:57:45,231
His DNA wasn't
in the system.

1113
00:57:45,331 --> 00:57:48,067
So they scoured every
other part of his life

1114
00:57:48,167 --> 00:57:50,837
and took a closer look
at his family.

1115
00:57:50,937 --> 00:57:55,008
He wasn't gonna get any type
of relationship with Paige.

1116
00:57:55,108 --> 00:57:57,410
So he married
this other woman.

1117
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:58,378
Um...
- Beth.

1118
00:57:58,478 --> 00:57:59,746
Yes.

1119
00:57:59,846 --> 00:58:02,081
He was just moving on
with his life.

1120
00:58:02,181 --> 00:58:04,417
This is Beth Maxwell.

1121
00:58:04,517 --> 00:58:08,688
She met Marty on
a dating site in May 2013,

1122
00:58:08,788 --> 00:58:11,457
a month after
Desiree's murder.

1123
00:58:11,557 --> 00:58:13,693
What was it about Marty
that caught your eye?

1124
00:58:13,793 --> 00:58:16,329
He didn't judge me, like--
'cause I'm a bigger girl,

1125
00:58:16,429 --> 00:58:19,499
so, you know, it's something
that I get judged for a lot.

1126
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:22,201
He just accepted me
for who I was.

1127
00:58:22,302 --> 00:58:24,103
The polite man
she met online

1128
00:58:24,203 --> 00:58:27,707
seemed like
a true gentleman in person.

1129
00:58:27,807 --> 00:58:29,475
He just was a charmer,
kind of.

1130
00:58:29,575 --> 00:58:32,645
He was what I wanted,
what I've always wanted.

1131
00:58:32,745 --> 00:58:34,714
He opened the car
door for me.

1132
00:58:34,814 --> 00:58:37,984
And Marty quickly
fit into Beth's life,

1133
00:58:38,084 --> 00:58:40,820
becoming a father figure
to her young son.

1134
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:42,021
He was amazing.

1135
00:58:42,121 --> 00:58:45,124
He was the dad that I've
always wanted my son to have.

1136
00:58:45,224 --> 00:58:47,260
Was that a big factor
in you saying, hey,

1137
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,529
this guy's the one?
- Yeah, it was.

1138
00:58:49,629 --> 00:58:51,597
And my son picked up
on it right away, too.

1139
00:58:51,698 --> 00:58:53,466
Like, he's like, that's--
That's my Marty dad.

1140
00:58:53,566 --> 00:58:54,867
That's what
he called him.

1141
00:58:54,968 --> 00:58:56,936
It was a whirlwind romance.

1142
00:58:57,036 --> 00:59:00,206
After just four months together,
they got married.

1143
00:59:00,306 --> 00:59:02,875
But it all seemed
too good to be true.

1144
00:59:02,976 --> 00:59:05,345
So much so that Beth
felt blindsided

1145
00:59:05,445 --> 00:59:08,014
by Marty's choice
of a best man.

1146
00:59:08,114 --> 00:59:10,917
His best friend, Paige.

1147
00:59:11,017 --> 00:59:12,552
I want to make sure
I'm getting this right.

1148
00:59:12,652 --> 00:59:14,988
Marty's best man...
- ...was Paige.

1149
00:59:15,088 --> 00:59:16,956
- A woman.
- Yes.

1150
00:59:17,056 --> 00:59:18,558
How did that
sit with you?

1151
00:59:18,658 --> 00:59:20,727
Uh, it didn't
sit great with me.

1152
00:59:20,827 --> 00:59:23,062
Beth met Paige
for the first time

1153
00:59:23,162 --> 00:59:25,131
on their wedding day.

1154
00:59:25,231 --> 00:59:27,667
She wanted to dress
exactly like Marty.

1155
00:59:27,767 --> 00:59:29,002
It was a big fight.

1156
00:59:29,102 --> 00:59:31,037
She seemed
very controlling,

1157
00:59:31,137 --> 00:59:32,872
like this is what
she wanted done,

1158
00:59:32,972 --> 00:59:34,440
so he had
to do it her way.

1159
00:59:34,540 --> 00:59:37,210
The honeymoon phase
was short.

1160
00:59:37,310 --> 00:59:40,313
Beth noticed that Marty
prioritized Paige

1161
00:59:40,413 --> 00:59:43,616
above all else,
including her.

1162
00:59:43,716 --> 00:59:46,019
I found out that
he had bought her car,

1163
00:59:46,119 --> 00:59:48,454
was paying her rent.
- Had he bought you a car?

1164
00:59:48,554 --> 00:59:49,922
No, he never
bought me a car.

1165
00:59:50,023 --> 00:59:51,024
He bought her food
a lot of times.

1166
00:59:51,124 --> 00:59:52,592
- Bought her food?
- Like, groceries and stuff.

1167
00:59:52,692 --> 00:59:54,027
Yeah.
- That's a love language.

1168
00:59:54,127 --> 00:59:55,094
Mm-hmm.

1169
00:59:55,194 --> 00:59:58,131
You were married to a man
who was seemingly

1170
00:59:58,231 --> 01:00:00,800
completely devoted
to another woman.

1171
01:00:00,900 --> 01:00:02,068
Yeah.

1172
01:00:02,168 --> 01:00:04,437
You believed that Paige had
feelings for your husband?

1173
01:00:04,537 --> 01:00:06,039
I think so, mm-hmm.

1174
01:00:06,139 --> 01:00:07,874
And that he had
feelings for her.

1175
01:00:07,974 --> 01:00:08,841
Yeah, definitely.

1176
01:00:08,942 --> 01:00:10,176
I started really
having issues with it,

1177
01:00:10,276 --> 01:00:11,778
because I'm like,
why is the best friend

1178
01:00:11,878 --> 01:00:13,680
getting treated better
than the wife?

1179
01:00:13,780 --> 01:00:16,549
In fact, one of
Beth's friends told her

1180
01:00:16,649 --> 01:00:20,453
Paige had bragged about
her power over Marty.

1181
01:00:20,553 --> 01:00:21,654
She actually told
my best friend

1182
01:00:21,754 --> 01:00:23,456
that she could
steal Marty away.

1183
01:00:23,556 --> 01:00:26,459
Did you believe that
she had some control over him

1184
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:27,560
in some way?

1185
01:00:27,660 --> 01:00:29,462
He was just that
obsessed over her,

1186
01:00:29,562 --> 01:00:32,532
and there was just
no changing it,

1187
01:00:32,632 --> 01:00:33,967
like, at all.

1188
01:00:34,067 --> 01:00:36,336
Beth was
wondering just what

1189
01:00:36,436 --> 01:00:39,172
she'd gotten
herself into, when...

1190
01:00:39,272 --> 01:00:40,273
There's a knock
at the door.

1191
01:00:40,373 --> 01:00:43,443
And there's six
to seven people at my door.

1192
01:00:43,543 --> 01:00:45,311
- Police officers.
- Police officers, yeah.

1193
01:00:45,411 --> 01:00:46,746
Detectives.

1194
01:00:56,089 --> 01:00:58,491
Nineteen months after
Desiree's murder,

1195
01:00:58,591 --> 01:01:02,762
police and sheriff's deputies
were at Marty Grismer's door.

1196
01:01:02,862 --> 01:01:03,930
What did you say to him

1197
01:01:04,030 --> 01:01:05,531
to convince him
to come with you?

1198
01:01:05,632 --> 01:01:07,200
We just told him that
we're investigating

1199
01:01:07,300 --> 01:01:09,402
the death of
Desiree Sunford.

1200
01:01:09,502 --> 01:01:11,004
He said,
"No problem. I'll--"

1201
01:01:11,104 --> 01:01:14,107
He got a shirt,
got dressed,

1202
01:01:14,207 --> 01:01:17,076
came down to the office.
He didn't lawyer up.

1203
01:01:19,779 --> 01:01:21,381
They started out easy.

1204
01:01:37,030 --> 01:01:41,601
Marty said Paige told him
all about her affair with Scott.

1205
01:02:43,363 --> 01:02:46,232
As you're listening to him,
what are you thinking?

1206
01:02:46,332 --> 01:02:48,868
This is your first time that
you're face to face with Marty.

1207
01:02:48,968 --> 01:02:51,704
Okay, Marty, if-if
you didn't do it,

1208
01:02:51,804 --> 01:02:55,241
and Paige or Scott did it,
you're covering it for them.

1209
01:02:55,942 --> 01:02:59,512
Whatever happened with Scott
and Desiree and Paige,

1210
01:02:59,612 --> 01:03:02,715
Marty said he was
an impartial observer,

1211
01:03:02,815 --> 01:03:04,717
and only that.

1212
01:03:04,817 --> 01:03:07,320
And all through that first part
of that interview,

1213
01:03:07,420 --> 01:03:09,088
his guard is
pretty much down.

1214
01:03:09,188 --> 01:03:10,356
Correct. He was--

1215
01:03:10,456 --> 01:03:13,026
He didn't seem to be under
too much stress at that point.

1216
01:03:13,126 --> 01:03:16,629
Detectives listened to Marty
for about half an hour,

1217
01:03:16,729 --> 01:03:20,767
and now the softball portion
of the interview was over.

1218
01:03:33,813 --> 01:03:37,350
They told Marty they'd been
doing some research about him,

1219
01:03:37,450 --> 01:03:39,319
had gotten a call
from his boss.

1220
01:03:53,466 --> 01:03:55,535
Marty was
kind of a gun nut.

1221
01:03:55,635 --> 01:04:00,606
He liked to buy guns
and-and buy gun parts.

1222
01:04:00,707 --> 01:04:04,010
Except he seemed to have
forgotten how he got

1223
01:04:04,110 --> 01:04:06,012
this particular gun barrel.

1224
01:04:12,318 --> 01:04:16,055
The fact is, detectives knew
all about the gun barrel.

1225
01:04:16,155 --> 01:04:18,391
They'd gotten it
from Marty's boss

1226
01:04:18,491 --> 01:04:20,860
and had rushed it
to the lab.

1227
01:04:20,960 --> 01:04:22,929
And what do you know?

1228
01:04:23,029 --> 01:04:26,466
The lab came back that
the barrel that we found,

1229
01:04:26,566 --> 01:04:29,302
that barrel was used
to kill Desiree.

1230
01:04:29,402 --> 01:04:31,004
So now you've got
hard evidence

1231
01:04:31,104 --> 01:04:32,405
linking him
to this crime.

1232
01:04:32,505 --> 01:04:33,306
That's correct.

1233
01:04:33,406 --> 01:04:36,376
That is the smoking gun,
so to speak.

1234
01:04:36,476 --> 01:04:39,212
- Almost exactly that.
- Exactly.

1235
01:04:39,312 --> 01:04:42,515
Marty seemed to realize
this interview was going

1236
01:04:42,615 --> 01:04:44,917
in a very bad direction.

1237
01:04:45,018 --> 01:04:47,854
There's a vein in
the side of his head

1238
01:04:47,954 --> 01:04:50,356
that just was
really protruding.

1239
01:04:50,456 --> 01:04:54,927
He was under a great deal
of stress during this interview,

1240
01:04:55,028 --> 01:04:58,131
and you could tell
by his eyes, and--

1241
01:04:58,231 --> 01:05:03,069
that he was just trying
to think before he spoke.

1242
01:05:03,169 --> 01:05:05,004
He was in hyper stress.

1243
01:05:05,104 --> 01:05:07,006
And that was only
going to get worse

1244
01:05:07,106 --> 01:05:09,642
as detectives got
to the point.

1245
01:06:01,728 --> 01:06:04,597
His emotions were all over
the page to a point

1246
01:06:04,697 --> 01:06:06,766
where he was almost
physically sick.

1247
01:06:06,866 --> 01:06:08,301
Like getting
ready to vomit?

1248
01:06:08,401 --> 01:06:10,837
Yeah, he said he was
about ready to get sick.

1249
01:06:10,937 --> 01:06:13,840
And then, he said,
he remembered something.

1250
01:06:13,940 --> 01:06:16,409
He said Paige
did have his gun,

1251
01:06:16,509 --> 01:06:20,079
fitted with that barrel,
at the time of the murder.

1252
01:06:27,320 --> 01:06:31,057
Until May, he said,
well after the murder.

1253
01:06:31,157 --> 01:06:35,161
And then Marty turned
the tables on Paige

1254
01:06:35,261 --> 01:06:39,299
and said he had long suspected
she had something to do

1255
01:06:39,399 --> 01:06:40,633
with Desiree's murder.

1256
01:07:06,259 --> 01:07:08,594
The detectives
weren't buying it.

1257
01:07:08,695 --> 01:07:10,863
It was his gun barrel.

1258
01:07:10,964 --> 01:07:13,433
And they found it right
where he left it.

1259
01:07:31,084 --> 01:07:33,820
And that is what they did.

1260
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:35,688
He just couldn't believe
that he was being charged

1261
01:07:35,788 --> 01:07:37,023
with murder.

1262
01:07:37,123 --> 01:07:40,727
But two other people remained
on the detective's radar.

1263
01:07:40,827 --> 01:07:43,096
Scott and Paige.

1264
01:07:43,196 --> 01:07:45,498
It was just that thought
in the back of our head

1265
01:07:45,598 --> 01:07:47,266
that still she's got
to be involved

1266
01:07:47,367 --> 01:07:48,835
and Scott's got
to be involved.

1267
01:07:48,935 --> 01:07:52,138
We still have
nothing to tie them,

1268
01:07:52,238 --> 01:07:56,142
other than this relationship
that they were all involved in.

1269
01:07:56,242 --> 01:07:59,512
We also had
a few questions for Paige.

1270
01:07:59,612 --> 01:08:04,117
Did you and Scott conspire
with Marty to have her killed?

1271
01:08:13,993 --> 01:08:16,796
November 13, 2014.

1272
01:08:16,896 --> 01:08:19,232
Nineteen months after
Desiree Sunford

1273
01:08:19,332 --> 01:08:21,668
was found shot to death
in her home.

1274
01:08:21,768 --> 01:08:25,238
Marty Grismer was
charged with her murder.

1275
01:08:25,338 --> 01:08:28,041
Desiree's friend Kayla
thought someone else

1276
01:08:28,141 --> 01:08:30,743
should have been locked up
along with him.

1277
01:08:30,843 --> 01:08:32,612
Paige Blades.

1278
01:08:32,712 --> 01:08:36,416
I am thinking
this psycho biatch

1279
01:08:36,516 --> 01:08:40,053
squiggled her way
into their life

1280
01:08:40,153 --> 01:08:43,289
and created chaos.

1281
01:08:43,389 --> 01:08:45,725
And now my friend
is dead over it.

1282
01:08:45,825 --> 01:08:48,428
A needless death.

1283
01:08:48,528 --> 01:08:52,498
I just...
It's unreal.

1284
01:08:52,599 --> 01:08:57,370
I honestly think that she
asked Marty to do what he did.

1285
01:08:57,470 --> 01:08:59,605
Even after Marty's arrest.

1286
01:08:59,706 --> 01:09:01,774
Paige's role in
the Sunfords' marriage

1287
01:09:01,874 --> 01:09:04,143
remained something
of a mystery

1288
01:09:04,243 --> 01:09:06,446
to Desiree's family
and friends,

1289
01:09:06,546 --> 01:09:09,182
and to investigators, too.

1290
01:09:09,282 --> 01:09:10,483
You were still
looking at her.

1291
01:09:10,583 --> 01:09:12,552
You still didn't think her hands
were completely clean here.

1292
01:09:12,652 --> 01:09:14,520
It was just that thought
in the back of our head

1293
01:09:14,621 --> 01:09:16,222
that still, she's got
to be involved,

1294
01:09:16,322 --> 01:09:20,460
but we still have nothing
to tie them,

1295
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:22,295
other than
this relationship

1296
01:09:22,395 --> 01:09:24,931
that they were all
involved in.

1297
01:09:25,031 --> 01:09:26,032
Do you think that
there are things

1298
01:09:26,132 --> 01:09:28,668
that people
get wrong about you?

1299
01:09:28,768 --> 01:09:32,605
There are a lot of things
that people get wrong about me.

1300
01:09:32,705 --> 01:09:35,475
There are a lot
of assumptions.

1301
01:09:35,575 --> 01:09:37,176
When we last spoke
to Paige Blades,

1302
01:09:37,277 --> 01:09:40,213
she was 35 years old,
the mother of four kids.

1303
01:09:40,313 --> 01:09:42,081
She worked in
customer relations,

1304
01:09:42,181 --> 01:09:44,917
and she said she still
had strong feelings for

1305
01:09:45,018 --> 01:09:47,887
and about Desiree Sunford.

1306
01:09:47,987 --> 01:09:49,989
I love Des,

1307
01:09:50,089 --> 01:09:52,292
and I don't say that
past tense.

1308
01:09:52,392 --> 01:09:54,360
She's still
special to me.

1309
01:09:54,460 --> 01:09:55,962
There's no part of me
that ever wanted

1310
01:09:56,062 --> 01:09:59,365
anything bad
to happen to her.

1311
01:09:59,465 --> 01:10:02,168
It had been more than a decade
since Paige's entanglement

1312
01:10:02,268 --> 01:10:04,737
with Desiree,
Scott, and Marty.

1313
01:10:04,837 --> 01:10:07,573
Do you feel like you're
a different person now?

1314
01:10:07,674 --> 01:10:09,542
Oh, absolutely.

1315
01:10:09,642 --> 01:10:13,579
I am a completely
different person.

1316
01:10:15,048 --> 01:10:18,151
Paige says she's worked hard
to battle addiction,

1317
01:10:18,251 --> 01:10:20,086
money problems,
and the ghosts

1318
01:10:20,186 --> 01:10:23,356
of a turbulent,
abusive childhood.

1319
01:10:23,456 --> 01:10:26,426
She admits to a pattern
of troubled relationships,

1320
01:10:26,526 --> 01:10:29,996
like what she had with
Scott and Desiree.

1321
01:10:30,096 --> 01:10:31,931
We became
very good friends

1322
01:10:32,031 --> 01:10:34,867
and eventually friends
with benefits,

1323
01:10:34,968 --> 01:10:40,006
and eventually we didn't have
a relationship anymore.

1324
01:10:40,106 --> 01:10:43,009
She met Scott
in early 2011.

1325
01:10:43,109 --> 01:10:45,311
They were partying,
hanging out.

1326
01:10:45,411 --> 01:10:48,181
Paige says when she
finally met Desiree,

1327
01:10:48,281 --> 01:10:50,550
they became fast friends.

1328
01:10:50,650 --> 01:10:53,586
And in fact, it was
Desiree's idea for her

1329
01:10:53,686 --> 01:10:55,255
to stay with them.

1330
01:10:55,355 --> 01:10:58,024
They were in
a one bedroom apartment,

1331
01:10:58,124 --> 01:11:00,260
and they had
a California king bed,

1332
01:11:00,360 --> 01:11:02,895
and she was like,
"There's plenty of room."

1333
01:11:02,996 --> 01:11:04,530
All three of us
shared the bed.

1334
01:11:04,631 --> 01:11:05,999
So she invited
you into the bed?

1335
01:11:06,099 --> 01:11:07,066
Mm-hmm.

1336
01:11:07,166 --> 01:11:09,869
And she's the one who
put Scott in the middle.

1337
01:11:09,969 --> 01:11:13,406
During that
bed arrangement,

1338
01:11:13,506 --> 01:11:15,475
were you all
sexually active?

1339
01:11:15,575 --> 01:11:16,809
Yeah.

1340
01:11:16,909 --> 01:11:18,778
Everybody with each other?

1341
01:11:18,878 --> 01:11:21,481
Not all together,

1342
01:11:21,581 --> 01:11:23,449
but I was sexually active
with Scott

1343
01:11:23,549 --> 01:11:26,486
and I was sexually
active with Des.

1344
01:11:26,586 --> 01:11:29,055
In those text messages,
Paige and Desiree

1345
01:11:29,155 --> 01:11:31,457
carried on flirty exchanges.

1346
01:11:31,557 --> 01:11:32,892
But in other messages,

1347
01:11:32,992 --> 01:11:35,595
it seems Paige
wasn't being honest

1348
01:11:35,695 --> 01:11:38,431
about her relationship
with Scott.

1349
01:11:38,531 --> 01:11:40,533
At one point,
Desiree texted you,

1350
01:11:40,633 --> 01:11:44,137
"I still have to say that
you two doing anything sexual

1351
01:11:44,237 --> 01:11:45,338
"would bother me."

1352
01:11:45,438 --> 01:11:48,841
And you responded, "Yeah,
he and I doing anything sexual

1353
01:11:48,942 --> 01:11:50,910
"is out of the question."

1354
01:11:51,010 --> 01:11:53,846
Was that true?

1355
01:11:53,947 --> 01:11:57,150
I honestly don't remember
that conversation.

1356
01:11:57,250 --> 01:12:00,386
Did you ever mislead
Desiree into thinking

1357
01:12:00,486 --> 01:12:03,856
that you and Scott weren't
sexually active?

1358
01:12:03,957 --> 01:12:06,693
Not as far as
I know or remember.

1359
01:12:06,793 --> 01:12:09,295
Paige says
she does remember

1360
01:12:09,395 --> 01:12:13,466
when Desiree's patience
reached the breaking point.

1361
01:12:13,566 --> 01:12:14,667
She writes this.

1362
01:12:14,767 --> 01:12:17,203
"I'm done with
the drama and the BS.

1363
01:12:17,303 --> 01:12:19,539
"I'm going to ask nicely
for you to distance yourself

1364
01:12:19,639 --> 01:12:22,642
"from me, my home,
and my family."

1365
01:12:22,742 --> 01:12:25,345
And you respond,
in part, "Not a problem.

1366
01:12:25,445 --> 01:12:29,115
"I've been wanting to do away
with you for quite a while now,"

1367
01:12:29,215 --> 01:12:30,883
and then go on to
call her some names

1368
01:12:30,984 --> 01:12:33,119
that I can't repeat on TV.

1369
01:12:33,219 --> 01:12:34,954
It sounds like you
didn't take too kindly

1370
01:12:35,054 --> 01:12:37,156
to her telling you
to stay away.

1371
01:12:37,256 --> 01:12:40,693
That was the big fight.

1372
01:12:40,793 --> 01:12:43,830
I know that I was out of line
with how I responded to her.

1373
01:12:43,930 --> 01:12:46,866
There were a lot of other things
that were going on in my life

1374
01:12:46,966 --> 01:12:51,104
at the time that
were compounding stress.

1375
01:12:51,204 --> 01:12:55,308
Paige moved out, but
she kept seeing Scott.

1376
01:12:55,408 --> 01:12:56,709
There are people
who would look at this

1377
01:12:56,809 --> 01:12:59,379
and say that you came
into their marriage

1378
01:12:59,479 --> 01:13:01,214
and basically just
tore it apart.

1379
01:13:01,314 --> 01:13:04,651
No, I definitely wasn't there
to destroy their marriage.

1380
01:13:04,751 --> 01:13:06,486
Did you want
to be with him?

1381
01:13:06,586 --> 01:13:08,121
No.

1382
01:13:08,221 --> 01:13:09,489
Would you have wanted
to be his wife,

1383
01:13:09,589 --> 01:13:12,592
have a relationship
with him, solely?

1384
01:13:12,692 --> 01:13:14,093
No. Him, solely?

1385
01:13:14,193 --> 01:13:15,328
No.

1386
01:13:15,428 --> 01:13:18,898
I want to get you to respond
to one more text thread

1387
01:13:18,998 --> 01:13:20,300
between you and Desiree.

1388
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:22,035
You write,
"I'm fairly convinced

1389
01:13:22,135 --> 01:13:23,870
"that in the event
of your demise,

1390
01:13:23,970 --> 01:13:25,438
"I would be
the chosen one."

1391
01:13:25,538 --> 01:13:26,939
Desiree says, "Huh?"

1392
01:13:27,040 --> 01:13:29,876
And you say, "If you ever die
and he needs a wife,

1393
01:13:29,976 --> 01:13:33,112
"I'm half convinced
that would be me."

1394
01:13:33,212 --> 01:13:36,482
What was that about?

1395
01:13:37,617 --> 01:13:40,720
I still don't remember.

1396
01:13:40,820 --> 01:13:43,723
And that one's come up
quite a few times, too.

1397
01:13:43,823 --> 01:13:45,625
I walked into
that interview with Paige

1398
01:13:45,725 --> 01:13:47,827
not knowing what
she would tell me,

1399
01:13:47,927 --> 01:13:50,663
but I did know I was going
to push her.

1400
01:13:50,763 --> 01:13:53,666
There'd been some very hefty
allegations made against her,

1401
01:13:53,766 --> 01:13:56,569
so I wanted her to have
every opportunity

1402
01:13:56,669 --> 01:13:58,104
to defend herself.

1403
01:13:58,204 --> 01:14:01,307
Anytime someone tells me
they don't remember a detail

1404
01:14:01,407 --> 01:14:04,277
that seems important,
it does give me pause.

1405
01:14:04,377 --> 01:14:07,380
And as we kept talking,
one thing became clear.

1406
01:14:07,480 --> 01:14:10,984
To understand Paige, you had
to understand her relationship

1407
01:14:11,084 --> 01:14:13,886
with the man she says
was obsessed with her,

1408
01:14:13,987 --> 01:14:15,888
Marty Grismer.

1409
01:14:15,989 --> 01:14:18,224
He was my rock for
a little while.

1410
01:14:18,324 --> 01:14:20,860
He would go on a grocery run
for me if I needed,

1411
01:14:20,960 --> 01:14:23,296
or if I needed to
borrow gas money,

1412
01:14:23,396 --> 01:14:25,164
then I would
get it from him.

1413
01:14:25,265 --> 01:14:29,068
He was the only person that
I had that I could turn to

1414
01:14:29,168 --> 01:14:31,270
if I had a struggle.

1415
01:14:31,371 --> 01:14:35,041
Why was Marty doing all
of these things for you?

1416
01:14:35,141 --> 01:14:36,609
I assume that it
had something to do

1417
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:41,748
with his undying love for me,
as he would say.

1418
01:14:41,848 --> 01:14:45,952
Paige says she told Marty
all about her rift with Desiree,

1419
01:14:46,052 --> 01:14:51,090
that she was still seeing Scott
and pregnant with his child.

1420
01:14:51,190 --> 01:14:55,261
Paige insists she never
thought his moral support

1421
01:14:55,361 --> 01:14:56,896
would turn to murder,

1422
01:14:56,996 --> 01:15:00,967
and was shocked when Marty
confessed to killing Desiree.

1423
01:15:01,067 --> 01:15:04,037
He went into
excruciating detail

1424
01:15:04,137 --> 01:15:06,239
of what he did to Desiree.

1425
01:15:06,339 --> 01:15:08,174
This was somebody
who was your friend.

1426
01:15:08,274 --> 01:15:10,543
How hard was this
for you to listen to?

1427
01:15:10,643 --> 01:15:16,282
It was not just hard.
It was a devastating blow.

1428
01:15:16,382 --> 01:15:21,054
Who was this person that
I had let into my life?

1429
01:15:21,154 --> 01:15:22,588
So some people would look
at this and say

1430
01:15:22,689 --> 01:15:27,026
you had to have planted
some sort of seed in his mind

1431
01:15:27,126 --> 01:15:28,361
by talking about Scott,

1432
01:15:28,461 --> 01:15:30,596
by talking about the fact
that you believed

1433
01:15:30,697 --> 01:15:32,198
you were pregnant
with his baby.

1434
01:15:32,298 --> 01:15:35,735
That would make him think,
if I get rid of Desiree,

1435
01:15:35,835 --> 01:15:37,870
I'm making Paige happy.

1436
01:15:37,971 --> 01:15:40,506
I honestly don't know.

1437
01:15:40,606 --> 01:15:44,777
I don't know or understand
how Marty's mind works.

1438
01:15:44,877 --> 01:15:47,747
I honestly never have.

1439
01:15:47,847 --> 01:15:49,582
There are many people
who believe

1440
01:15:49,682 --> 01:15:51,451
that you conspired
with Marty,

1441
01:15:51,551 --> 01:15:53,453
that you wanted Desiree
out of the picture

1442
01:15:53,553 --> 01:15:55,355
so that you could
be with Scott,

1443
01:15:55,455 --> 01:15:59,959
and that you essentially put
Marty up to killing her.

1444
01:16:00,059 --> 01:16:01,828
Never.

1445
01:16:01,928 --> 01:16:05,531
- No truth to that?
- None, whatsoever.

1446
01:16:05,632 --> 01:16:07,500
I...

1447
01:16:09,636 --> 01:16:12,205
I've heard that
quite a few times,

1448
01:16:12,305 --> 01:16:15,541
but never in
a million years.

1449
01:16:15,642 --> 01:16:20,546
There-there was never
any reason for that to happen.

1450
01:16:20,647 --> 01:16:24,017
Did you and Scott
conspire with Marty

1451
01:16:24,117 --> 01:16:27,787
to have her killed?
- No. Absolutely not.

1452
01:16:27,887 --> 01:16:29,188
Her friends would say,

1453
01:16:29,289 --> 01:16:31,090
if you hadn't been
in the picture,

1454
01:16:31,190 --> 01:16:32,392
if it weren't for you,

1455
01:16:32,492 --> 01:16:34,560
Desiree would have
never gotten killed,

1456
01:16:34,661 --> 01:16:36,896
that she would still
be alive today.

1457
01:16:36,996 --> 01:16:39,098
How do you respond
to that?

1458
01:16:39,198 --> 01:16:41,334
I don't think
that's fair.

1459
01:16:43,503 --> 01:16:48,775
I believe that if Marty
hadn't been in my life,

1460
01:16:48,875 --> 01:16:50,743
Des would still be alive.

1461
01:16:50,843 --> 01:16:54,280
I understand that
to a lot of people,

1462
01:16:54,380 --> 01:16:57,216
it probably seems like
and feels like

1463
01:16:57,317 --> 01:17:02,221
I am central to everything,

1464
01:17:02,322 --> 01:17:06,859
but from my own side,
I'm on the outside looking in.

1465
01:17:07,827 --> 01:17:12,665
I didn't feel like I was
the one in the center.

1466
01:17:12,765 --> 01:17:14,067
Maybe not.

1467
01:17:14,167 --> 01:17:18,204
But her testimony would be key
to the case against Marty.

1468
01:17:18,304 --> 01:17:20,073
Prosecutors had to worry,

1469
01:17:20,173 --> 01:17:23,042
whose case would
she actually help,

1470
01:17:23,142 --> 01:17:26,012
theirs or the defense's?

1471
01:17:26,112 --> 01:17:30,316
This case and investigation
raised a lot of questions,

1472
01:17:30,416 --> 01:17:34,187
uh, and some of those questions
will never be answered.

1473
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:46,699
Paige Blades may have
turned Marty in,

1474
01:17:46,799 --> 01:17:51,004
but no one close to Desiree
saw that as a selfless act.

1475
01:17:51,104 --> 01:17:53,172
You buy the trying to
do the right thing?

1476
01:17:53,273 --> 01:17:54,807
No.

1477
01:17:54,907 --> 01:17:57,710
No, I believe she was
feeling the guilt,

1478
01:17:57,810 --> 01:18:00,480
and I don't think there was--

1479
01:18:00,580 --> 01:18:03,116
"I'm gonna be the one
to solve it." I don't.

1480
01:18:03,216 --> 01:18:05,485
I think it was
a guilty conscience.

1481
01:18:05,585 --> 01:18:08,321
But there's no denying
it was Paige's tip

1482
01:18:08,421 --> 01:18:10,323
that got them to Marty.

1483
01:18:10,423 --> 01:18:13,159
Still, it wasn't
an easy case.

1484
01:18:13,259 --> 01:18:16,162
There was no crime scene DNA
matching Marty,

1485
01:18:16,262 --> 01:18:19,499
no shoe of his that matched
the bloody shoe print,

1486
01:18:19,599 --> 01:18:23,269
and no video of him in that area
at the time of the murder.

1487
01:18:23,369 --> 01:18:27,440
Then, as Marty sat in
jail awaiting trial,

1488
01:18:27,540 --> 01:18:29,876
a call came in from
the plant manager

1489
01:18:29,976 --> 01:18:31,611
at Marty's job.

1490
01:18:31,711 --> 01:18:33,546
They were cleaning
out a dumpster,

1491
01:18:33,646 --> 01:18:36,549
and they found
the jewelry box.

1492
01:18:36,649 --> 01:18:40,153
They found the laptop
and the iPad.

1493
01:18:40,253 --> 01:18:43,389
The stolen laptop
and iPad,

1494
01:18:43,489 --> 01:18:45,425
taken from Desiree
and Scott's house

1495
01:18:45,525 --> 01:18:49,495
when it was burglarized
five days before the murder.

1496
01:18:49,595 --> 01:18:51,931
But that jewelry box
was key.

1497
01:18:52,031 --> 01:18:54,600
It connected Marty
directly to the murder.

1498
01:18:54,701 --> 01:18:58,371
Page had told investigators
that Marty said he took it

1499
01:18:58,471 --> 01:19:00,740
the night he killed Desiree.

1500
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:03,509
It was all found,
along with a big clue

1501
01:19:03,609 --> 01:19:05,612
as to who left it there.

1502
01:19:05,712 --> 01:19:08,648
A receipt with the name
Marty Grismer.

1503
01:19:08,748 --> 01:19:10,717
- That's big.
- That's huge.

1504
01:19:10,817 --> 01:19:12,852
Marty must have done
the first burglary, too,

1505
01:19:12,952 --> 01:19:14,621
and he didn't
get rid of anything.

1506
01:19:14,721 --> 01:19:17,924
It was not very bright
to keep all this stuff

1507
01:19:18,024 --> 01:19:22,395
involved in a--
in a burglary and a homicide.

1508
01:19:22,495 --> 01:19:23,663
A month later,

1509
01:19:23,763 --> 01:19:27,266
detectives got a call from
Marty's cellmate at the jail.

1510
01:19:27,367 --> 01:19:29,636
And he's had some interesting
conversations with Marty.

1511
01:19:29,736 --> 01:19:33,640
Yeah, Marty's talking about
the evidence that's against him.

1512
01:19:33,740 --> 01:19:36,676
And he was also
talking about Paige.

1513
01:19:36,776 --> 01:19:40,279
The cellmate said Marty
was furious with her.

1514
01:19:45,351 --> 01:19:46,920
She had turned him in.

1515
01:19:47,020 --> 01:19:50,923
Paige would be the star witness
against him at his trial.

1516
01:19:51,024 --> 01:19:53,393
So Marty suggested
a way his cellmate

1517
01:19:53,493 --> 01:19:55,595
could solve his problem.

1518
01:19:55,695 --> 01:19:58,598
Kill Paige
and a friend of hers.

1519
01:20:06,039 --> 01:20:07,807
That's quite a swing.

1520
01:20:07,907 --> 01:20:11,711
Going from doing anything
for Paige, obsessed with her,

1521
01:20:11,811 --> 01:20:15,148
will kill for her, to,
according to the cellmate,

1522
01:20:15,248 --> 01:20:17,383
wanting to put out a hit
to get rid of her.

1523
01:20:17,483 --> 01:20:20,587
Yeah, he's trying to save
his own skin at this point.

1524
01:20:20,687 --> 01:20:24,457
No hit ever happened,
and the cellmate got cold feet

1525
01:20:24,557 --> 01:20:28,194
and refused to testify,
which didn't help prosecutors,

1526
01:20:28,294 --> 01:20:32,098
who were already dealing with
a difficult circumstantial case

1527
01:20:32,198 --> 01:20:35,268
full of imperfect evidence
and maybe worse,

1528
01:20:35,368 --> 01:20:38,338
two possible
alternate suspects.

1529
01:20:38,438 --> 01:20:40,907
You had wondered about
Scott and Paige's involvement

1530
01:20:41,007 --> 01:20:42,709
from the very beginning.

1531
01:20:42,809 --> 01:20:44,978
Were you concerned that
the defense might try

1532
01:20:45,078 --> 01:20:47,113
and use that
as an alternate theory?

1533
01:20:47,213 --> 01:20:50,416
Certainly, it, uh--
it could easily been used.

1534
01:20:50,516 --> 01:20:52,919
That's why we-we
offered the plea.

1535
01:20:53,019 --> 01:20:58,157
This case and investigation
raised a lot of questions,

1536
01:20:58,257 --> 01:21:02,629
and some of those questions
will never be answered.

1537
01:21:02,729 --> 01:21:04,631
In December of 2017,

1538
01:21:04,731 --> 01:21:07,333
Marty Grismer
was offered a deal.

1539
01:21:07,433 --> 01:21:10,837
His first degree murder charge
would be reduced to second

1540
01:21:10,937 --> 01:21:13,873
if he took what's called
an Alford plea,

1541
01:21:13,973 --> 01:21:16,442
admitting there's
enough evidence to convict

1542
01:21:16,542 --> 01:21:19,779
without actually
admitting guilt.

1543
01:21:19,879 --> 01:21:23,082
Desiree's brother
felt there was no choice.

1544
01:21:23,182 --> 01:21:26,786
Prosecutor told us
he'll at least get something

1545
01:21:26,886 --> 01:21:30,423
if he-- if he
takes this plea.

1546
01:21:30,523 --> 01:21:33,693
And we're like, well,
we've gotta at least...

1547
01:21:35,662 --> 01:21:38,164
give him something.

1548
01:21:38,264 --> 01:21:42,135
We can't run the risk
of him just walking free.

1549
01:21:42,235 --> 01:21:44,370
Kasey attended
the sentencing hearing

1550
01:21:44,470 --> 01:21:46,205
with his mother, Connie.

1551
01:21:46,306 --> 01:21:48,441
She spoke to the court.

1552
01:21:48,541 --> 01:21:50,910
Your honor,
I can only speak to you

1553
01:21:51,010 --> 01:21:53,880
about one thing
at this point.

1554
01:21:53,980 --> 01:21:57,016
Sentence this evil being
to the harshest prison

1555
01:21:57,116 --> 01:21:59,185
in our system.

1556
01:21:59,285 --> 01:22:02,088
He deserves to be
among other evil.

1557
01:22:02,188 --> 01:22:04,691
In the end,
Marty Grismer was sentenced

1558
01:22:04,791 --> 01:22:08,027
to just 15 years
in prison.

1559
01:22:08,127 --> 01:22:12,298
He's scheduled to be
released in 2029.

1560
01:22:13,099 --> 01:22:15,835
Desiree's friends
and family were angry.

1561
01:22:15,935 --> 01:22:18,871
They didn't think
Desiree got justice.

1562
01:22:18,972 --> 01:22:20,306
Was that good enough?

1563
01:22:20,406 --> 01:22:23,409
No, it's not good enough,

1564
01:22:23,509 --> 01:22:26,245
because he's still not
admitting any guilt,

1565
01:22:26,346 --> 01:22:29,115
and he's only
getting 15 years.

1566
01:22:29,215 --> 01:22:31,884
They also remain
angry at Scott.

1567
01:22:31,985 --> 01:22:34,253
While he was never
charged in the case,

1568
01:22:34,354 --> 01:22:36,556
they're certain
his affair with Paige

1569
01:22:36,656 --> 01:22:38,891
led to Desiree's murder.

1570
01:22:38,992 --> 01:22:41,794
The bottom line
is that Desiree

1571
01:22:41,894 --> 01:22:46,099
would still be alive today
if Scott had been faithful.

1572
01:22:46,199 --> 01:22:48,968
Scott moved away
after Desiree died.

1573
01:22:49,068 --> 01:22:51,204
He's now remarried.

1574
01:22:51,304 --> 01:22:54,507
As for Paige, she was
never charged either.

1575
01:22:54,607 --> 01:22:58,378
But still, Desiree's loved ones
cannot shake the idea

1576
01:22:58,478 --> 01:23:00,380
that she was involved.

1577
01:23:00,480 --> 01:23:02,348
There are many people
who believe

1578
01:23:02,448 --> 01:23:04,183
that you got away
with murder,

1579
01:23:04,284 --> 01:23:06,619
that you should be
in prison, too.

1580
01:23:06,719 --> 01:23:08,421
I've heard that.

1581
01:23:08,521 --> 01:23:10,723
What would you
say to them?

1582
01:23:10,823 --> 01:23:13,059
I had nothing
to do with it.

1583
01:23:13,159 --> 01:23:19,265
It's incredibly unfair
that I risked my life

1584
01:23:19,365 --> 01:23:20,934
to do the right thing,

1585
01:23:21,034 --> 01:23:26,406
and I'm being
crucified for existing.

1586
01:23:27,907 --> 01:23:31,110
Still, the people
who loved Desiree say

1587
01:23:31,210 --> 01:23:34,514
they try not to dwell
on Scott or Paige.

1588
01:23:34,614 --> 01:23:36,683
They want to
focus on the good.

1589
01:23:36,783 --> 01:23:37,984
On Desiree.

1590
01:23:38,084 --> 01:23:40,186
If you were lucky enough
to get to know Des,

1591
01:23:40,286 --> 01:23:42,889
you'd want everybody else
to know it, too.

1592
01:23:44,791 --> 01:23:46,392
Desiree's mother, Connie,

1593
01:23:46,492 --> 01:23:49,228
had to sell her daughter's
beloved Chevelle

1594
01:23:49,329 --> 01:23:51,965
to pay for her headstone.

1595
01:23:52,065 --> 01:23:54,534
Hey, Des.

1596
01:23:54,634 --> 01:23:56,769
It's been a while.

1597
01:23:56,869 --> 01:23:59,339
Connie died before
it was installed.

1598
01:23:59,439 --> 01:24:01,941
She's buried next
to her daughter.

1599
01:24:02,041 --> 01:24:04,210
It's a beautiful headstone.

1600
01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:05,745
Yeah.

1601
01:24:05,845 --> 01:24:07,880
She loved the dolphins.

1602
01:24:07,981 --> 01:24:09,916
And she did love roses.

1603
01:24:10,016 --> 01:24:15,255
That's her Chevy,
her little Tweety bird.

1604
01:24:15,355 --> 01:24:18,391
- She loved Tweety.
- Yeah.

1605
01:24:18,491 --> 01:24:21,494
Spending time with the people
who loved Desiree,

1606
01:24:21,594 --> 01:24:24,464
you really start to
feel what was taken.

1607
01:24:24,564 --> 01:24:27,734
She was the kind of art teacher
kids connected with.

1608
01:24:27,834 --> 01:24:30,436
My heart aches for
the students who lost her

1609
01:24:30,536 --> 01:24:32,672
and for the ones who
will never get the chance

1610
01:24:32,772 --> 01:24:34,274
to learn from her.

1611
01:24:34,374 --> 01:24:36,709
I also feel
so badly for Desiree.

1612
01:24:36,809 --> 01:24:39,779
Caught in the middle of
these twisted relationships

1613
01:24:39,879 --> 01:24:43,016
and an obsession that turned
into senseless violence.

1614
01:24:43,116 --> 01:24:45,051
Visiting her gravestone
that day,

1615
01:24:45,151 --> 01:24:49,022
I felt just how deeply
she's missed by so many.

1616
01:24:49,122 --> 01:24:51,090
It just makes
everything so real

1617
01:24:51,190 --> 01:24:52,659
when you come here
and see it.

1618
01:24:52,759 --> 01:24:54,661
Sure, sure.

1619
01:24:54,761 --> 01:24:57,664
That she's not going
to just show up

1620
01:24:57,764 --> 01:24:59,599
{\an8}in your driveway
on a Harley.