1 00:00:01,669 --> 00:00:03,419 (ominous music) 2 00:00:07,733 --> 00:00:11,326 - [narrator] a young woman assaulted and brutally murdered. 3 00:00:11,345 --> 00:00:13,420 - Whoever killed this lady was angry. 4 00:00:13,572 --> 00:00:16,849 - [narrator] a known serial killer becomes a prime suspect. 5 00:00:18,352 --> 00:00:20,978 - Henry lee lucas admitted to 600 homicides. 6 00:00:25,417 --> 00:00:27,918 - [jonathan] they're thinking, "we finally have our guy." 7 00:00:27,936 --> 00:00:31,363 - [narrator] but decades later, a new suspect emerges. 8 00:00:33,592 --> 00:00:36,035 - He had a lot of hatred and anger towards women. 9 00:00:41,267 --> 00:00:43,000 - [narrator] investigators searching for answers- 10 00:00:45,954 --> 00:00:47,171 - [narrator] in the interrogation room. 11 00:00:57,040 --> 00:00:59,892 (brooding music) (clock ticking) 12 00:01:05,291 --> 00:01:07,215 - [narrator] every suspect accused of a crime 13 00:01:07,309 --> 00:01:09,217 Has the right to remain silent. 14 00:01:09,236 --> 00:01:12,071 Many agree to be interrogated anyway, 15 00:01:12,298 --> 00:01:14,981 But they can stop the interview at any moment, 16 00:01:15,076 --> 00:01:17,201 Making it a race against time. 17 00:01:19,062 --> 00:01:21,246 Justice hangs in the balance. 18 00:01:23,325 --> 00:01:25,876 (ominous music) 19 00:01:34,169 --> 00:01:36,720 (phone ringing) 20 00:01:40,083 --> 00:01:42,601 - A call was made by two friends 21 00:01:42,828 --> 00:01:45,162 And ultimately they could hear the dispatcher, 22 00:01:45,255 --> 00:01:47,272 But the dispatcher could not hear them. 23 00:01:47,499 --> 00:01:50,776 (busy signal toning) 24 00:01:51,003 --> 00:01:54,113 They went nextdoor to use the neighbor's phone 25 00:01:54,340 --> 00:01:57,098 To communicate with the emergency dispatcher 26 00:01:57,192 --> 00:01:59,034 That their good friend is dead. 27 00:02:03,273 --> 00:02:06,533 - When the police entered the residence, 28 00:02:06,685 --> 00:02:08,460 There was no sign of a disturbance. 29 00:02:11,523 --> 00:02:14,541 There did not seem to be any forced entry into the house. 30 00:02:14,635 --> 00:02:18,211 There was no evidence that the front door had been forced, 31 00:02:18,364 --> 00:02:23,033 No pry marks on the doorjamb, there were no windows broken. 32 00:02:23,126 --> 00:02:26,127 But in the bedroom, there was a lot of evidence 33 00:02:26,147 --> 00:02:28,722 Of an incredible amount of violence, 34 00:02:28,816 --> 00:02:32,151 And that's where they located the victim, kathleen doyle. 35 00:02:33,821 --> 00:02:35,612 She was 25 years of age. 36 00:02:37,140 --> 00:02:40,492 She had her hands tied behind her back. 37 00:02:40,719 --> 00:02:44,288 She had an electrical cord wrapped around her neck, 38 00:02:45,666 --> 00:02:49,226 Had extensive bruising to her face and head 39 00:02:49,244 --> 00:02:53,563 That was consistent with some sort of a blunt force trauma. 40 00:02:53,657 --> 00:02:56,900 She had sustained a single knife wound 41 00:02:56,919 --> 00:03:00,587 To the front of her chest and also her back 42 00:03:00,681 --> 00:03:03,515 And it was apparent that a sexual assault had occurred. 43 00:03:06,245 --> 00:03:08,578 - There was seminal fluid on the bedspread. 44 00:03:08,672 --> 00:03:11,982 She also had a circular burn mark on her cheek 45 00:03:13,527 --> 00:03:16,028 Which was about the diameter of maybe a cigar. 46 00:03:17,439 --> 00:03:18,588 They knew right then 47 00:03:18,607 --> 00:03:21,533 That whoever killed this lady was angry. 48 00:03:21,685 --> 00:03:23,493 It was a crime of passion. 49 00:03:26,022 --> 00:03:29,449 (gentle music) 50 00:03:29,601 --> 00:03:31,768 - Kathleen grew up in a military family. 51 00:03:31,861 --> 00:03:33,879 She was married to a naval lieutenant. 52 00:03:34,030 --> 00:03:36,215 Stephen doyle was a pilot. 53 00:03:36,442 --> 00:03:39,276 They had been married for nine months, 54 00:03:39,369 --> 00:03:41,553 Five of which her husband had been away at sea. 55 00:03:43,057 --> 00:03:44,798 This was really hard time to spend 56 00:03:44,892 --> 00:03:46,350 And particularly for a newlywed. 57 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:49,561 This was a smart, thoughtful woman. 58 00:03:51,123 --> 00:03:53,139 Her father described her as sort of regal 59 00:03:53,234 --> 00:03:56,718 And someone who if you met her, you'd never forget her. 60 00:03:56,812 --> 00:04:00,239 - She was a college graduate out of the new England area, 61 00:04:00,466 --> 00:04:01,573 A journalism major, 62 00:04:01,725 --> 00:04:04,076 And she was characterized by friends and family 63 00:04:04,303 --> 00:04:06,227 As the type of person that never met a stranger. 64 00:04:06,247 --> 00:04:07,913 So, she could pretty much talk to anybody. 65 00:04:08,064 --> 00:04:10,082 (uneasy music) 66 00:04:10,309 --> 00:04:12,751 - I was astonished kathleen doyle was murdered. 67 00:04:14,237 --> 00:04:15,328 It wasn't a place where you'd expect 68 00:04:15,481 --> 00:04:17,739 Something like this could happen. 69 00:04:17,833 --> 00:04:19,091 Her husband, stephen doyle, 70 00:04:19,318 --> 00:04:22,761 Was a world away in the indian ocean, 71 00:04:22,988 --> 00:04:25,655 So it must have been extremely difficult for him. 72 00:04:25,749 --> 00:04:27,391 He had to feel completely helpless. 73 00:04:28,510 --> 00:04:31,061 (pensive music) 74 00:04:39,113 --> 00:04:40,337 - From the police standpoint, 75 00:04:40,355 --> 00:04:42,597 It did not appear like this was a burglary 76 00:04:42,616 --> 00:04:44,841 Where the person who committed the offense 77 00:04:44,934 --> 00:04:47,452 Was doing it for the purpose of taking property 78 00:04:47,604 --> 00:04:49,863 Because there were all sorts of personal belongings 79 00:04:50,015 --> 00:04:52,349 In the house that had value 80 00:04:52,442 --> 00:04:54,459 And nothing seemed to have been taken. 81 00:04:54,686 --> 00:04:58,964 But this is also 1980, so we don't have dna then, 82 00:04:59,191 --> 00:05:01,691 We don't have a lot of the modern forensic tools. 83 00:05:01,710 --> 00:05:04,452 And so, the police did what was the standard 84 00:05:04,546 --> 00:05:06,788 Bread-and-butter forensic tool, 85 00:05:06,882 --> 00:05:09,199 Which was they look for fingerprints. 86 00:05:09,292 --> 00:05:10,867 They looked throughout the house, 87 00:05:10,886 --> 00:05:13,795 But there were no unidentified latent prints. 88 00:05:13,814 --> 00:05:16,315 (uneasy music) 89 00:05:21,989 --> 00:05:23,638 - When the call came in, 90 00:05:23,657 --> 00:05:26,716 The emergency dispatcher could not hear them. 91 00:05:26,810 --> 00:05:28,885 They weren't sure what the problem was, 92 00:05:28,978 --> 00:05:30,554 But the detectives had the wherewithal 93 00:05:30,647 --> 00:05:32,998 To unscrew the mouthpiece on the phone 94 00:05:33,149 --> 00:05:35,751 And that's when they discovered that the receiver was missing. 95 00:05:37,245 --> 00:05:42,582 - That was obviously a very odd factual idiosyncrasy. 96 00:05:42,676 --> 00:05:46,178 That gave them some insight into whoever did this 97 00:05:46,405 --> 00:05:49,681 Obviously took steps to try to thwart anyone 98 00:05:49,908 --> 00:05:51,975 From calling the police or trying to obtain help. 99 00:05:53,187 --> 00:05:55,979 (slow tense music) 100 00:06:03,772 --> 00:06:07,424 - They had interviewed every ex-boyfriend that they knew of, 101 00:06:07,517 --> 00:06:10,184 Interview after interview after interview, 102 00:06:10,204 --> 00:06:13,497 And ruling out persons x, y, and z. 103 00:06:15,267 --> 00:06:18,618 - Kathleen was known to be just such a nice person, 104 00:06:18,712 --> 00:06:20,120 Someone without enemies. 105 00:06:20,272 --> 00:06:22,029 And none of the normal lines 106 00:06:22,049 --> 00:06:24,107 That the police might investigate, 107 00:06:24,126 --> 00:06:27,552 Is there someone who's interested in her romantically 108 00:06:27,779 --> 00:06:30,389 Outside of her marriage, none of that applied. 109 00:06:31,800 --> 00:06:33,299 - After about seven months, 110 00:06:33,452 --> 00:06:35,877 They had vetted everybody that they knew of 111 00:06:35,896 --> 00:06:40,065 And they were more or less at a dead end. 112 00:06:40,216 --> 00:06:42,734 - There is great fear in the community at that point. 113 00:06:42,886 --> 00:06:44,628 People were really scared. 114 00:06:44,646 --> 00:06:47,739 And I think the fear has to come from the fact 115 00:06:47,891 --> 00:06:49,891 That there was no suspect, 116 00:06:49,985 --> 00:06:52,059 That there was no sense who did this. 117 00:06:52,079 --> 00:06:54,579 (uneasy music) 118 00:07:09,821 --> 00:07:11,930 - Norfolk investigators were alerted 119 00:07:12,157 --> 00:07:14,824 To this guy by the name of henry lee lucas. 120 00:07:14,918 --> 00:07:18,586 And henry lee lucas was, at that time, 121 00:07:18,605 --> 00:07:22,499 Being housed in the williamson county jail in texas 122 00:07:22,592 --> 00:07:25,852 For a number of unsolved homicides 123 00:07:26,004 --> 00:07:27,929 Across the united states. 124 00:07:27,948 --> 00:07:29,906 (uneasy music) 125 00:07:34,938 --> 00:07:37,289 - I think by the time it's done with, 126 00:07:37,440 --> 00:07:41,793 Counting me and the other person, it'll be way over 500. 127 00:07:43,538 --> 00:07:47,281 - [philip] lucas admitted to committing 500 or 600 homicides 128 00:07:47,375 --> 00:07:49,859 All over the united states. 129 00:07:49,878 --> 00:07:52,971 Ottis toole admitted to a lesser number of homicides, 130 00:07:53,122 --> 00:07:55,140 But also extensive amount. 131 00:07:57,536 --> 00:08:01,054 There's an infamous picture that the texas rangers put out. 132 00:08:01,148 --> 00:08:04,207 There's all these pushpins in the map of homicide cases 133 00:08:04,300 --> 00:08:05,942 That lucas has taken credit for. 134 00:08:07,654 --> 00:08:10,155 There's a cluster of four little pins in virginia. 135 00:08:11,658 --> 00:08:13,566 - That led norfolk investigators 136 00:08:13,660 --> 00:08:17,721 To the williamson county jail to interview henry lee lucas 137 00:08:17,739 --> 00:08:20,499 On the unsolved homicide of kathleen doyle. 138 00:08:20,650 --> 00:08:23,126 (uneasy music) 139 00:08:25,413 --> 00:08:28,006 (clock ticking) 140 00:08:56,111 --> 00:08:57,944 - Chesapeake boulevard coincidentally 141 00:08:58,038 --> 00:09:02,040 Is not too far from kathleen's house, so they're thinking, 142 00:09:02,267 --> 00:09:04,284 We might need to show him a picture of the house, 143 00:09:04,436 --> 00:09:06,770 Just to see if he recognizes this 144 00:09:06,863 --> 00:09:08,713 And see if it looks familiar. 145 00:09:41,473 --> 00:09:43,489 (suspenseful music) 146 00:09:43,642 --> 00:09:44,824 - You gotta keep in mind, 147 00:09:44,918 --> 00:09:48,645 This is four years that has gone by with no leads. 148 00:09:48,663 --> 00:09:52,173 They're thinking, "we finally have our guy in this killing." 149 00:10:04,771 --> 00:10:06,771 (uneasy music) 150 00:10:40,456 --> 00:10:42,957 - And they're thinking, okay, he's given us some details 151 00:10:43,051 --> 00:10:44,643 Of the case that we have. 152 00:11:21,348 --> 00:11:23,848 (uneasy music) 153 00:11:53,362 --> 00:11:55,288 - They're thinking, okay, he's given us details 154 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:57,031 Of things that we know to be true 155 00:11:57,050 --> 00:11:58,791 From kathleen doyle's crime scene. 156 00:11:58,885 --> 00:12:01,386 (pensive music) 157 00:12:18,296 --> 00:12:19,812 - When he would look at the pictures 158 00:12:19,965 --> 00:12:22,131 That were given to him, he would take his time. 159 00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:24,484 So, in the detective's mind 160 00:12:24,636 --> 00:12:27,320 Is maybe that was for the purpose 161 00:12:27,472 --> 00:12:29,247 Of him relishing his crimes. 162 00:12:32,644 --> 00:12:34,143 - The norfolk police department 163 00:12:34,162 --> 00:12:38,498 Obtained arrest warrants for henry lee lucas and ottis toole 164 00:12:38,592 --> 00:12:42,594 For the offense of murder for killing kathleen doyle. 165 00:12:45,432 --> 00:12:46,823 - And they were now to the point 166 00:12:46,841 --> 00:12:49,509 Where they could provide some answers to the family 167 00:12:49,661 --> 00:12:52,011 And bring the persons responsible for this crime 168 00:12:52,163 --> 00:12:53,513 To justice. 169 00:12:53,607 --> 00:12:55,940 (uneasy music) 170 00:13:07,103 --> 00:13:09,788 - [reporter] now, lucas says he didn't do it. 171 00:13:09,939 --> 00:13:12,365 Lucas now claims all of his other murder confessions 172 00:13:12,459 --> 00:13:14,517 Were also wrong. 173 00:13:14,536 --> 00:13:18,279 - There were cases being attributed to lucas and toole 174 00:13:18,298 --> 00:13:21,040 That were geographically in different parts of the country 175 00:13:21,192 --> 00:13:24,210 At the same time, so there would not be any physical way 176 00:13:24,304 --> 00:13:26,471 That they could be committed by the same individuals. 177 00:13:26,622 --> 00:13:28,973 (uneasy music) 178 00:13:35,482 --> 00:13:37,816 On September 10th, 1980, 179 00:13:37,967 --> 00:13:42,469 There was evidence that lucas had sold scrap metal 180 00:13:42,489 --> 00:13:46,157 To a salvage site in florida. 181 00:13:46,309 --> 00:13:48,159 Was highly unlikely that they had been 182 00:13:48,311 --> 00:13:50,495 Up in norfolk, virginia, 183 00:13:50,646 --> 00:13:54,165 The night of September 9th committing this homicide. 184 00:13:54,317 --> 00:13:56,668 (uneasy music) 185 00:14:06,680 --> 00:14:09,180 (pensive music) 186 00:14:11,184 --> 00:14:13,852 (dates clicking) 187 00:14:25,607 --> 00:14:29,275 - The first thing I did was I took a look at a breakthrough 188 00:14:29,427 --> 00:14:33,204 With the dna technology, notably genetic genealogy. 189 00:14:33,356 --> 00:14:36,766 - People were now investigating their ancestry. 190 00:14:36,784 --> 00:14:38,859 They were not only looking at records 191 00:14:38,879 --> 00:14:41,212 But they were providing dna samples. 192 00:14:42,774 --> 00:14:45,717 There were a number of very public locations 193 00:14:45,868 --> 00:14:49,053 Where people were uploading their dna profile, 194 00:14:50,390 --> 00:14:53,057 And that gave birth to the idea of, 195 00:14:53,209 --> 00:14:57,228 Hey, can we use this tool in the kathleen doyle case 196 00:14:57,455 --> 00:14:59,305 With respect to the semen that was present 197 00:14:59,399 --> 00:15:00,398 On the bedspread? 198 00:15:02,402 --> 00:15:04,903 (pensive music) 199 00:15:14,989 --> 00:15:17,081 The lab said, "we have analyzed 200 00:15:17,308 --> 00:15:20,067 Known contributed samples across the country 201 00:15:20,161 --> 00:15:22,587 And we can suggest to you 202 00:15:22,738 --> 00:15:26,573 A number of potential kinship matches," 203 00:15:26,593 --> 00:15:28,259 In other words, potential relatives. 204 00:15:28,411 --> 00:15:32,597 And you're talking about cousins once, twice removed, 205 00:15:32,748 --> 00:15:35,749 And the report gave approximately 31 206 00:15:35,769 --> 00:15:38,995 Potential kinship references. 207 00:15:39,013 --> 00:15:40,605 That doesn't mean that they had anything to do 208 00:15:40,756 --> 00:15:45,017 With the case, but they genetically have markers 209 00:15:45,111 --> 00:15:49,355 Potentially related to your unknown suspect's dna. 210 00:15:49,507 --> 00:15:51,265 - A lotta the names on the list, 211 00:15:51,284 --> 00:15:55,361 If you just type it into google, whatever, dead-end roads. 212 00:15:55,513 --> 00:15:58,197 But if you type the name dennis lee bowman, 213 00:15:58,349 --> 00:16:00,016 Serious offenses pop up 214 00:16:00,109 --> 00:16:01,942 Throughout the state of michigan. 215 00:16:01,962 --> 00:16:06,130 Attempted murder, abduction, attempted rape. 216 00:16:06,282 --> 00:16:11,618 We were 39, almost 40 years into an unsolved homicide case 217 00:16:11,713 --> 00:16:13,805 That we now had a name, 218 00:16:13,956 --> 00:16:18,309 And now we needed to put a face to the name dennis lee bowman. 219 00:16:23,725 --> 00:16:25,900 (pensive music) 220 00:16:43,169 --> 00:16:45,394 - The excitement that ran through me, 221 00:16:45,413 --> 00:16:50,066 Just can't describe the words that I felt at that timeframe. 222 00:16:50,084 --> 00:16:52,251 But I knew, (chuckles) I knew my job wasn't over. 223 00:16:52,403 --> 00:16:54,137 I knew my job was just beginning. 224 00:16:55,348 --> 00:16:56,663 Now I gotta see what I can do 225 00:16:56,758 --> 00:16:59,517 About placing him in norfolk in September of 1980. 226 00:17:01,021 --> 00:17:02,503 - What detective smith 227 00:17:02,597 --> 00:17:04,096 Working with the michigan state police 228 00:17:04,190 --> 00:17:06,840 Were able to determine 229 00:17:06,934 --> 00:17:10,086 Was in the spring of 1980 in michigan, 230 00:17:10,104 --> 00:17:13,773 Dennis bowman had forced a teenage girl off the road, 231 00:17:13,867 --> 00:17:15,700 She was on a bicycle, 232 00:17:15,927 --> 00:17:18,036 Apparently to commit some sort of assault on her. 233 00:17:19,280 --> 00:17:21,947 She managed to flee 234 00:17:22,042 --> 00:17:22,874 (siren wailing) 235 00:17:23,025 --> 00:17:24,792 And he ended up being arrested. 236 00:17:26,287 --> 00:17:29,121 - That hearing was in September of 1980, 237 00:17:29,215 --> 00:17:31,049 But his attorney said, 238 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,460 "your honor, my client is not able to be here today. 239 00:17:34,554 --> 00:17:37,847 My client is away on his two-week military drill." 240 00:17:39,542 --> 00:17:41,375 - And in checking with the navy, 241 00:17:41,394 --> 00:17:43,953 It was apparent that in September of 1980, 242 00:17:44,046 --> 00:17:46,472 Dennis bowman was in norfolk, virginia, 243 00:17:46,624 --> 00:17:48,357 For two weeks by himself. 244 00:17:49,977 --> 00:17:53,220 In this timeframe, kathleen doyle was killed. 245 00:17:53,239 --> 00:17:55,907 (brooding music) 246 00:17:57,318 --> 00:17:59,911 (pensive music) 247 00:18:05,159 --> 00:18:07,643 - The police suspected bowman of being involved 248 00:18:07,662 --> 00:18:11,405 In a number of crimes throughout the state of michigan. 249 00:18:11,424 --> 00:18:15,000 Attempted murder, abduction, attempted rape, 250 00:18:15,095 --> 00:18:16,652 Breaking and entering, 251 00:18:16,671 --> 00:18:20,914 And items of women's clothing being taken, like lingerie. 252 00:18:21,008 --> 00:18:23,159 One of the judges had made note 253 00:18:23,177 --> 00:18:27,605 That dennis lee bowman poses a future danger to women. 254 00:18:30,518 --> 00:18:33,069 (pensive music) 255 00:18:39,177 --> 00:18:42,862 - She had purportedly made complaints to school officials 256 00:18:43,014 --> 00:18:48,275 That her father, dennis, had improperly made advances on her 257 00:18:48,294 --> 00:18:50,128 And there was issues in the home. 258 00:18:51,873 --> 00:18:54,615 She made those complaints and then very shortly afterwards, 259 00:18:54,634 --> 00:18:55,883 She disappeared. 260 00:18:57,303 --> 00:19:00,863 - Under mysterious, suspicious-type circumstances, 261 00:19:00,956 --> 00:19:02,548 His adopted daughter went missing, 262 00:19:02,642 --> 00:19:04,142 So that was another red flag. 263 00:19:06,888 --> 00:19:09,480 (pensive music) 264 00:19:26,482 --> 00:19:30,651 Michigan police knew from dealing with dennis from day one 265 00:19:30,670 --> 00:19:33,913 That he was very arrogant, he was very calculated, 266 00:19:34,065 --> 00:19:35,489 He was very methodical. 267 00:19:35,583 --> 00:19:37,400 He had been described to me 268 00:19:37,493 --> 00:19:39,402 As being one that wants to be in charge, 269 00:19:39,495 --> 00:19:41,237 One that wants to control the narrative. 270 00:19:41,330 --> 00:19:43,997 So, he was put in the interview room 271 00:19:44,017 --> 00:19:46,350 And told that he was being charged 272 00:19:46,577 --> 00:19:51,314 With the homicide of a navy fighter pilot's wife. 273 00:19:53,918 --> 00:19:56,769 And dennis bowman said, 274 00:19:56,921 --> 00:20:00,681 "you're pulling it outta your (bleep) and I want a lawyer." 275 00:20:00,775 --> 00:20:02,700 And at that point, it was over. 276 00:20:06,948 --> 00:20:09,874 (pensive music) 277 00:20:10,025 --> 00:20:12,543 (dates clicking) 278 00:20:23,798 --> 00:20:24,847 (clock ticking) 279 00:20:40,889 --> 00:20:42,815 It was really a rapport-building process 280 00:20:42,909 --> 00:20:46,485 And I had an opportunity to just learn about his childhood 281 00:20:46,637 --> 00:20:48,079 And figure out really who he was. 282 00:21:16,851 --> 00:21:18,334 - I let him talk. 283 00:21:18,352 --> 00:21:21,595 I don't pressure him and I don't make him feel threatened 284 00:21:21,689 --> 00:21:23,839 So that he would be comfortable 285 00:21:23,858 --> 00:21:26,284 If he decided he wanted to talk to me about the case. 286 00:21:26,435 --> 00:21:28,911 (uneasy music) 287 00:22:07,218 --> 00:22:09,327 - Things like that kinda gave me an insight 288 00:22:09,478 --> 00:22:12,404 As to what he is all about 289 00:22:12,498 --> 00:22:17,293 To have this aggression towards women the way that he did. 290 00:22:23,992 --> 00:22:25,009 - Just from me listening to him, 291 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:26,902 He really felt comfortable talking to me. 292 00:22:26,995 --> 00:22:27,920 I didn't know it at the time, 293 00:22:28,014 --> 00:22:29,755 But he was on the verge of telling me 294 00:22:29,849 --> 00:22:31,265 His deepest, darkest secrets. 295 00:22:43,696 --> 00:22:45,821 (uneasy music) 296 00:23:55,843 --> 00:23:57,342 (pensive music) 297 00:23:57,495 --> 00:23:59,828 The next morning, I wake up at 7:30 298 00:23:59,922 --> 00:24:01,755 To see I've got two missed phone calls 299 00:24:01,849 --> 00:24:03,682 From the contact at the city jail 300 00:24:03,776 --> 00:24:05,258 And they basically said, 301 00:24:05,278 --> 00:24:08,003 "look, man, this guy's been asking for you since 5:30." 302 00:24:08,022 --> 00:24:10,573 (pensive music) 303 00:24:20,868 --> 00:24:22,460 I knew what my approach was 304 00:24:22,687 --> 00:24:24,962 And I knew I wasn't gonna make him feel threatened. 305 00:24:26,281 --> 00:24:28,190 I knew that he wanted to be in control, 306 00:24:28,283 --> 00:24:29,884 He wanted to control the narrative. 307 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,872 (pensive music) 308 00:25:45,619 --> 00:25:48,695 - He said, "let's cut out the middle man, my attorney. 309 00:25:48,789 --> 00:25:49,880 Let's cut him out." 310 00:25:50,032 --> 00:25:51,549 He says, "let's go straight to the source. 311 00:25:51,776 --> 00:25:52,716 That's you." 312 00:25:52,943 --> 00:25:54,459 So, at that point, I said, you know what, 313 00:25:54,612 --> 00:25:56,628 I'll take what I can get outta this guy. 314 00:25:57,965 --> 00:26:01,892 The strategy that I prepared was repeating back to him 315 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,229 What I think I understand about him. 316 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,400 I said, "I feel like your aggression 317 00:26:09,627 --> 00:26:11,460 From being mistreated down through the years 318 00:26:11,553 --> 00:26:15,072 Has led to your anger and has fueled your rage." 319 00:28:30,117 --> 00:28:34,694 - So, as he's going through this and he's telling me, 320 00:28:34,788 --> 00:28:38,106 I realize he's leaving out key details: 321 00:28:38,125 --> 00:28:42,945 The ties, the bindings, the other stab. 322 00:28:42,963 --> 00:28:47,207 But nonetheless, I'm taking what I can get from him 323 00:28:47,226 --> 00:28:51,470 And, again, not coming across threatening, 324 00:28:51,564 --> 00:28:53,230 That very soft approach, 325 00:28:53,457 --> 00:28:57,025 Just allowing him to tell me his version of events. 326 00:29:16,589 --> 00:29:22,075 - Did he genuinely black out and not remember these events? 327 00:29:22,169 --> 00:29:24,077 It was my job to see if I can pull out 328 00:29:24,171 --> 00:29:25,654 Some of these other details. 329 00:29:25,672 --> 00:29:28,223 (pensive music) 330 00:29:31,937 --> 00:29:34,938 I wanted him to draw a diagram of the house 331 00:29:35,165 --> 00:29:38,333 To see if that maybe would jog some things in his memory 332 00:29:38,426 --> 00:29:40,360 In the event that he did legitimately black out. 333 00:29:44,784 --> 00:29:46,200 (clock ticking) 334 00:30:20,210 --> 00:30:23,136 - He's putting himself inside the house 335 00:30:23,230 --> 00:30:27,950 And he's describing every single detail to a t that we had. 336 00:30:29,644 --> 00:30:32,120 (uneasy music) 337 00:30:40,747 --> 00:30:43,173 (heavy breathing) 338 00:30:59,507 --> 00:31:02,267 - His voice just completely took a different tone 339 00:31:02,419 --> 00:31:03,861 And a different demeanor. 340 00:31:22,715 --> 00:31:24,882 (pensive music) 341 00:31:56,916 --> 00:31:58,081 (tense music) 342 00:32:39,199 --> 00:32:44,461 - Part of me was, is this the typical dennis bowman 343 00:32:44,612 --> 00:32:46,630 To where he's playing this cat-and-mouse game 344 00:32:46,857 --> 00:32:50,950 To see what kind of story he can tell me? 345 00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:55,138 Or is this some internal force that he genuinely deals with 346 00:32:55,290 --> 00:32:58,767 And has dealt with off and on his entire life? 347 00:33:08,729 --> 00:33:10,988 (ominous music) 348 00:34:02,783 --> 00:34:07,377 - Dennis had so many key details before and after. 349 00:34:08,939 --> 00:34:10,881 I never believed that he legitimately blacked out 350 00:34:11,108 --> 00:34:13,383 And did not remember having sex with her. 351 00:35:19,176 --> 00:35:21,693 I just still can't wrap my head, my hands around the fact 352 00:35:21,845 --> 00:35:23,845 That he just didn't remember 353 00:35:23,864 --> 00:35:25,947 Doing all these other things to her. 354 00:35:27,292 --> 00:35:30,627 I had to take kind of a harsher, more aggressive approach. 355 00:36:00,050 --> 00:36:02,826 I was starting to call him out on some of his lies. 356 00:36:23,682 --> 00:36:25,807 (uneasy music) 357 00:37:40,259 --> 00:37:42,408 - Did she have 9, 10, 11 stab wounds? 358 00:37:42,427 --> 00:37:44,502 No, but that was kinda my way 359 00:37:44,654 --> 00:37:46,763 To see if I could try to switch it up on him 360 00:37:46,914 --> 00:37:48,723 To see if he would admit to having sex with her. 361 00:38:05,767 --> 00:38:07,600 - I don't think he was gonna ever take full ownership 362 00:38:07,619 --> 00:38:09,010 Of what he did that day, 363 00:38:09,103 --> 00:38:12,438 And that's when he kinda reverted to this childlike state 364 00:38:12,457 --> 00:38:14,182 To where he wouldn't look at me, 365 00:38:14,200 --> 00:38:15,959 He didn't want anything to do with me 366 00:38:16,186 --> 00:38:17,961 And just kept saying, "I didn't do that." 367 00:38:33,812 --> 00:38:35,812 (bottle cap clinking) 368 00:39:14,761 --> 00:39:16,186 (dennis inhaling sharply) 369 00:39:27,849 --> 00:39:30,367 (dennis sobbing) 370 00:39:55,227 --> 00:39:56,634 - It was mission accomplished. 371 00:39:56,786 --> 00:39:59,062 I think we got more than we ever thought we would get. 372 00:40:00,065 --> 00:40:02,732 (dates clicking) 373 00:40:04,069 --> 00:40:06,569 (ominous music) 374 00:40:23,088 --> 00:40:25,255 - Dennis bowman falls in the category 375 00:40:25,406 --> 00:40:28,407 Of the most dangerous people that walk the streets. 376 00:40:28,501 --> 00:40:29,909 What this case has done 377 00:40:29,928 --> 00:40:32,336 Is reveal dennis bowman for who he is. 378 00:40:32,489 --> 00:40:34,839 It's taken the mask off him. 379 00:40:34,933 --> 00:40:37,267 (uneasy music) 380 00:41:05,205 --> 00:41:07,130 (brenda crying) 381 00:41:13,472 --> 00:41:15,138 (brenda crying) 382 00:41:20,386 --> 00:41:24,388 - Dennis bowman wanted control of every scenario in his life. 383 00:41:24,541 --> 00:41:27,041 And by burying her on his property, 384 00:41:27,060 --> 00:41:29,652 He had control of her for the last 30 years. 385 00:41:29,804 --> 00:41:32,155 (sullen music) 386 00:41:41,391 --> 00:41:46,986 - Dennis bowman is not the overt robber who you see coming. 387 00:41:47,005 --> 00:41:51,174 He is the type of evil that lives within everyday life 388 00:41:51,325 --> 00:41:55,586 And he wears a mask and a disguise 389 00:41:55,739 --> 00:41:58,973 That hides him from being recognized as what he is. 390 00:42:00,410 --> 00:42:02,501 He's one of the most dangerous type of criminals 391 00:42:02,595 --> 00:42:03,686 You're going to encounter. 392 00:42:05,006 --> 00:42:07,524 We know dennis bowman is basically 393 00:42:07,751 --> 00:42:10,693 The chest of undiscovered criminal behavior. 394 00:42:12,697 --> 00:42:16,866 The reality is we're never going to know all of his victims. 395 00:42:18,853 --> 00:42:21,204 (somber music) 396 00:42:23,099 --> 00:42:26,284 - The thing about this case was the amazing police work, 397 00:42:26,436 --> 00:42:27,451 The better part of 40 years 398 00:42:27,546 --> 00:42:30,438 Trying to find justice for kathleen doyle. 399 00:42:30,456 --> 00:42:32,715 The case is solved because people didn't give up. 400 00:42:34,201 --> 00:42:35,960 - This case was unique in the fact 401 00:42:36,112 --> 00:42:38,112 That it opened up other crimes, 402 00:42:38,131 --> 00:42:40,390 Including the discovery of his adopted daughter. 403 00:42:40,617 --> 00:42:43,542 Had it not been for kathleen doyle case, 404 00:42:43,636 --> 00:42:47,880 She woulda still been buried 30 yards off of his back porch. 405 00:42:47,974 --> 00:42:51,550 Those are kinda the highlights of being involved in the case, 406 00:42:51,570 --> 00:42:53,477 Being able to bring some peace to the family, 407 00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:55,721 That we finally have the person that killed your daughter 408 00:42:55,740 --> 00:42:57,723 And your loved one, your friend, 409 00:42:57,742 --> 00:43:00,076 Behind bars for the rest of his natural life.