1 00:00:01,132 --> 00:00:04,495 (suspenseful music) 2 00:00:06,462 --> 00:00:09,132 - A mystery that grows stranger by the minute, 3 00:00:09,132 --> 00:00:11,660 an entire family just vanishes. 4 00:00:11,660 --> 00:00:13,462 - [Narrator] Four people disappear, 5 00:00:13,462 --> 00:00:16,231 leaving behind a bloody trail. 6 00:00:16,528 --> 00:00:21,264 - It felt like something you would watch on a scary movie. 7 00:00:21,528 --> 00:00:23,594 \h- I haven’t slept all freaking night. 8 00:00:23,594 --> 00:00:25,462 - We also have officers on, 9 00:00:25,462 --> 00:00:27,264 quad runners checking fields. 10 00:00:27,264 --> 00:00:29,264 - [Detective] Tell me a little bit about Tina. 11 00:00:29,264 --> 00:00:30,396 - We butt heads. 12 00:00:30,396 --> 00:00:32,099 - [Narrator] The clock is ticking 13 00:00:32,099 --> 00:00:33,528 and lives are on the line. 14 00:00:33,528 --> 00:00:34,627 - She could be being tortured. 15 00:00:34,627 --> 00:00:38,396 \h\h\hShe could be locked up somewhere, tied up somewhere. 16 00:00:38,396 --> 00:00:41,627 - [Narrator] Investigators \h\h\hsearching for answers 17 00:00:41,627 --> 00:00:43,132 in the interrogation room. 18 00:00:43,132 --> 00:00:45,330 - Kody alive, Matt, \hStephanie alive? 19 00:00:45,330 --> 00:00:46,660 - [Detective] This \his a game to him. 20 00:00:46,660 --> 00:00:50,660 \h- The clock was running and we were running out of time. 21 00:00:50,660 --> 00:00:54,264 (suspenseful music) 22 00:00:58,396 --> 00:01:00,660 \h\h\h\h- [Narrator] Every suspect accused of a crime 23 00:01:00,660 --> 00:01:02,528 has the right to remain silent. 24 00:01:02,528 --> 00:01:05,330 \h\hMany agree to be interrogated anyway, 25 00:01:05,330 --> 00:01:08,528 \h\hbut they can stop the interview at any moment, 26 00:01:08,528 --> 00:01:11,495 making it a race against time. 27 00:01:12,462 --> 00:01:15,594 Justice hangs in the balance. 28 00:01:16,264 --> 00:01:20,264 (soft suspenseful music) 29 00:01:27,132 --> 00:01:30,000 (phone rings) 30 00:01:51,396 --> 00:01:55,330 (soft suspenseful music) 31 00:01:58,528 --> 00:02:02,132 (suspenseful thumping music) 32 00:02:02,132 --> 00:02:04,264 \h- Tina Herrmann had two children, 33 00:02:04,264 --> 00:02:06,396 a 13-year-old girl, Sarah, 34 00:02:06,396 --> 00:02:08,660 one 11-year-old boy, Kody. 35 00:02:08,660 --> 00:02:11,726 She had not come into \hwork on Wednesday. 36 00:02:11,726 --> 00:02:13,528 \h\h\hShe was a very dependable employee. 37 00:02:13,528 --> 00:02:15,660 It was unusual for her not to show up. 38 00:02:15,660 --> 00:02:18,627 \h\hWhen Tina failed to show up for work again, 39 00:02:18,627 --> 00:02:20,528 \hthe manager came over to the house. 40 00:02:20,528 --> 00:02:23,495 \h\hShe let herself in through a rear window. 41 00:02:25,000 --> 00:02:28,132 - There was blood leading \h\hfrom the front door, 42 00:02:28,132 --> 00:02:29,528 through the hallways, 43 00:02:29,528 --> 00:02:33,528 \h\hback into the rooms and into the bathroom. 44 00:02:35,462 --> 00:02:38,000 (suspenseful music) 45 00:02:38,000 --> 00:02:40,528 \h- She had groceries on the floor in the kitchen 46 00:02:40,528 --> 00:02:43,495 that she had apparently \h\h\hjust carried in, 47 00:02:44,264 --> 00:02:45,528 and they contained items that would’ve 48 00:02:45,528 --> 00:02:48,396 \h\h\h\h\h\hnormally been refrigerated immediately. 49 00:02:49,594 --> 00:02:51,462 - We begin tonight with \h\ha developing story, 50 00:02:51,462 --> 00:02:54,132 \ha mystery that grows stranger by the minute, 51 00:02:54,132 --> 00:02:57,363 an entire family just vanishes. 52 00:02:59,132 --> 00:03:03,132 - Tina’s two children who had been in school on Wednesday, 53 00:03:03,132 --> 00:03:05,396 had not been in school \h\hthe following day. 54 00:03:05,396 --> 00:03:07,660 \hAnd that, of course, heightened the concern 55 00:03:07,660 --> 00:03:09,660 because Tina wasn’t \h\h\haccounted for 56 00:03:09,660 --> 00:03:12,627 and her children were \hnot accounted for. 57 00:03:13,000 --> 00:03:15,495 - We started seeing distinct patterns. 58 00:03:15,660 --> 00:03:19,132 We saw three separate blood stain patterns 59 00:03:19,132 --> 00:03:21,132 in three different rooms. 60 00:03:21,132 --> 00:03:23,132 (tense music) 61 00:03:23,132 --> 00:03:24,528 And we saw drag marks 62 00:03:24,528 --> 00:03:26,528 \hfrom each of those blood stain patterns 63 00:03:26,528 --> 00:03:29,231 \h\hthat converged into the bathroom. 64 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:32,495 \h\h\hOil had been poured down, and it looked to be 65 00:03:32,495 --> 00:03:37,066 as if it might be an attempt \h\hto set the scene on fire. 66 00:03:37,066 --> 00:03:39,396 \hSo, the motor oil led to a significant amount 67 00:03:39,396 --> 00:03:43,000 of footwear impressions that were found in the residence. 68 00:03:43,000 --> 00:03:44,264 \hThey were able to find that that was 69 00:03:44,264 --> 00:03:46,528 a seven and a half Airwalk. 70 00:03:47,132 --> 00:03:49,726 We made our conclusion that it was most likely 71 00:03:49,726 --> 00:03:52,396 the 13-year-old girl who had walked out of there. 72 00:03:52,396 --> 00:03:55,363 \h\hAnd we hoped that she was still alive. 73 00:03:56,396 --> 00:03:59,396 (taut mellow music) 74 00:03:59,396 --> 00:04:05,594 \h- I met Tina Herrmann and we worked the same shift together. 75 00:04:05,660 --> 00:04:09,000 \h\h\h\hShe loved to do anything with her kids. 76 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,660 \h\hBoth kids were involved in sports. 77 00:04:11,660 --> 00:04:14,264 She never missed a game, 78 00:04:14,264 --> 00:04:16,396 took ’em to the movies. 79 00:04:16,396 --> 00:04:19,660 Everything was always \h\h\habout the kids. 80 00:04:21,594 --> 00:04:25,264 (tense mellow music) 81 00:04:25,528 --> 00:04:29,132 - We also learned that one \hof Tina’s close friends, 82 00:04:29,132 --> 00:04:31,396 Stephanie Sprang, also was missing 83 00:04:31,396 --> 00:04:32,462 and had not been accounted for 84 00:04:32,462 --> 00:04:35,000 since that previous Wednesday. 85 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:37,660 \h- Stephanie was a very loyal friend. 86 00:04:37,660 --> 00:04:39,528 If she knew someone \hwas going through 87 00:04:39,528 --> 00:04:42,528 a rough time in her life, and Stephanie 88 00:04:42,528 --> 00:04:45,528 was going to be there to help her through. 89 00:04:45,528 --> 00:04:51,000 - Stephanie was probably Tina’s \hclosest friend that she had. 90 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:54,396 She lived down the street \h\h\hfrom Tina Herrmann. 91 00:04:55,198 --> 00:04:57,198 \h\h- We were told that Tina was in the process 92 00:04:57,198 --> 00:04:58,396 of looking for an apartment. 93 00:04:58,396 --> 00:04:59,594 Stephanie came over to the house 94 00:04:59,594 --> 00:05:02,594 to go apartment-hunting \h\h\h\h\h\hwith Tina. 95 00:05:03,066 --> 00:05:06,528 (tense mellow music) 96 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,627 - [Reporter] As the search intensifies, 97 00:05:14,627 --> 00:05:16,528 \hso does the fear in this community. 98 00:05:16,528 --> 00:05:18,495 - I think everyone’s just \h\hkind of really scared 99 00:05:18,495 --> 00:05:21,660 \h\h\hthat something like this could happen so close to home. 100 00:05:21,660 --> 00:05:25,132 - It felt like a nightmare, \h\h\h\hwas like something 101 00:05:25,132 --> 00:05:26,726 \hyou would watch on a scary movie, 102 00:05:26,726 --> 00:05:32,066 \h\h\hnot something that would happen to people that you knew. 103 00:05:32,066 --> 00:05:35,528 (tense mellow music) 104 00:05:47,066 --> 00:05:48,264 - You know, I’m a father, man. 105 00:05:48,264 --> 00:05:49,462 You know, my kids are my life. 106 00:05:49,462 --> 00:05:53,198 All I would ever want to do is protect them, you know? 107 00:06:03,462 --> 00:06:06,660 - Well, she didn’t show \hup for work Wednesday 108 00:06:06,660 --> 00:06:09,660 \hand nobody could get a hold of her. 109 00:06:12,264 --> 00:06:14,759 - I talked to her Tuesday night 110 00:06:15,264 --> 00:06:19,660 and I talked to her Wednesday at 12:10. 111 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,660 (taut music) 112 00:06:34,660 --> 00:06:37,660 - Tina Herrmann was in a \hrelationship with a man 113 00:06:37,660 --> 00:06:40,198 by the name of Greg Borders, \h\h\h\ha live-in boyfriend. 114 00:06:40,198 --> 00:06:42,132 And they had been living \htogether in this house 115 00:06:42,132 --> 00:06:43,132 for some period of time. 116 00:06:43,132 --> 00:06:46,660 - I just know things \h\hweren’t the best 117 00:06:46,660 --> 00:06:47,627 between the two of them. 118 00:06:47,627 --> 00:06:51,132 \h\hShe was looking to move out and leave him. 119 00:06:51,132 --> 00:06:53,726 - A major concern was that \hher boyfriend, you know, 120 00:06:53,726 --> 00:06:58,528 \hwas not at the scene until late in the day on Thursday. 121 00:06:58,528 --> 00:07:00,726 It seemed, you know, unusual. 122 00:07:06,330 --> 00:07:09,759 (suspenseful music) 123 00:07:16,132 --> 00:07:18,462 \h- I’m glad you’re, I’m glad you came in. 124 00:07:33,396 --> 00:07:35,198 - When the boyfriend \h\h\hwas interviewed 125 00:07:35,198 --> 00:07:36,660 by the Knox County \hSheriff’s office, 126 00:07:36,660 --> 00:07:39,000 I was a able to observe \h\h\hfrom another room 127 00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:40,330 during that interview. 128 00:07:53,000 --> 00:07:56,495 (tense mellow music) 129 00:08:56,462 --> 00:09:01,231 - He had what was a very easy to check out alibi. 130 00:09:01,231 --> 00:09:03,330 He said that he had left \h\hfor work very early, 131 00:09:03,330 --> 00:09:04,528 which is his normal routine. 132 00:09:04,528 --> 00:09:06,660 He said he worked an hour and a half away 133 00:09:06,660 --> 00:09:07,759 in a large warehouse; 134 00:09:07,759 --> 00:09:09,528 that he had made plans \h\hwith another worker 135 00:09:09,528 --> 00:09:11,528 to go golfing on that \hfollowing Thursday; 136 00:09:11,528 --> 00:09:14,000 that he was invited to spend the night 137 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,000 at the friend’s house. 138 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,264 \h\hThe initial response in terms of both his demeanor 139 00:09:18,264 --> 00:09:20,231 and the story that \h\hhe was telling 140 00:09:20,231 --> 00:09:22,759 suggested that he was not involved. 141 00:09:32,066 --> 00:09:35,495 (suspenseful music) 142 00:09:42,726 --> 00:09:44,528 (radio chattering) 143 00:09:44,528 --> 00:09:46,660 \h- We had basically run out of suspects. 144 00:09:46,660 --> 00:09:49,264 \hWe were thinking, "Well, where do we go from here?" 145 00:09:49,264 --> 00:09:51,231 \hJust about that point, I was actually, I think, 146 00:09:51,231 --> 00:09:54,396 \hdriving back toward the Sheriff’s office, 147 00:09:55,462 --> 00:09:57,264 when I got the call. 148 00:10:03,198 --> 00:10:04,528 - [Reporter] Friends \h\h\h\hand neighbors 149 00:10:04,528 --> 00:10:05,396 scouring a wooded area, 150 00:10:05,396 --> 00:10:08,495 looking for any sign of a missing family. 151 00:10:08,495 --> 00:10:12,132 (suspenseful music) 152 00:10:24,396 --> 00:10:28,198 \h\h\h- So in the garage, there was a shopping bag. 153 00:10:28,198 --> 00:10:31,330 And inside that shopping \h\h\hbag were two tarps 154 00:10:31,330 --> 00:10:34,462 \h\h\h\hand a package of heavy-duty garbage bags. 155 00:10:34,462 --> 00:10:36,462 \h\h- The name of the store was on the bag. 156 00:10:36,462 --> 00:10:39,462 \hIf this store might be able to do some research 157 00:10:39,462 --> 00:10:42,396 and find out if someone \hpurchased these items 158 00:10:42,396 --> 00:10:45,000 in this timeframe we’re looking at. 159 00:10:45,264 --> 00:10:47,132 - They were able to find that purchase, 160 00:10:47,132 --> 00:10:49,396 find a video of that person. 161 00:10:50,594 --> 00:10:53,264 \hThe video cameras caught the offender 162 00:10:53,264 --> 00:10:55,330 going into his car and leaving. 163 00:10:55,330 --> 00:10:57,330 Couldn’t get a plate \hfrom that vehicle, 164 00:10:57,330 --> 00:11:00,396 \h\h\h\h\h\h\hbut it was a unique-looking compact car. 165 00:11:00,396 --> 00:11:03,099 \h\h\h\h- The security person actually said that he thought 166 00:11:03,099 --> 00:11:05,627 the vehicle he was driving \h\h\h\hwas a Toyota Yaris. 167 00:11:05,627 --> 00:11:08,198 \hSo I thought, "Well, how many Toyota Yarises 168 00:11:08,198 --> 00:11:09,495 could there be in Knox County?" 169 00:11:09,495 --> 00:11:12,264 \h\hAnd on the first page for that search, 170 00:11:12,264 --> 00:11:15,495 the last one on the page \h\hwas Matthew Hoffman. 171 00:11:16,066 --> 00:11:19,363 He looked very much like the subject in the video, 172 00:11:19,363 --> 00:11:21,759 \h\h\hand was actually wearing the same shirt 173 00:11:21,759 --> 00:11:24,330 in his driver’s license photo 174 00:11:24,330 --> 00:11:26,528 that he was wearing \h\h\hat the store. 175 00:11:26,528 --> 00:11:30,198 - Matthew Hoffman had an interesting past. 176 00:11:30,198 --> 00:11:34,264 \h\hHe was convicted of arson, which involved a home invasion 177 00:11:34,264 --> 00:11:39,495 and said that he committed the \harson to cover up his tracks. 178 00:11:40,330 --> 00:11:44,264 (soft suspenseful music) 179 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:53,726 - They went in through the front of the house 180 00:11:53,726 --> 00:11:57,660 and they found him asleep on the couch in the living room, 181 00:11:59,099 --> 00:12:01,627 and immediately took \h\hhim into custody. 182 00:12:02,462 --> 00:12:06,396 - Mr. Hoffman had what I would \h\hcall a fetish with leaves. 183 00:12:06,396 --> 00:12:08,264 \h\h\hHe was a tree trimmer for a while 184 00:12:08,264 --> 00:12:13,132 and he was oftentimes known to climb trees 185 00:12:13,132 --> 00:12:15,330 and be sitting in trees. 186 00:12:15,330 --> 00:12:18,231 \h\h\h- I mean, the whole house was full of leaves. 187 00:12:18,231 --> 00:12:20,099 \h\hHe had collected a large amount of leaves, 188 00:12:20,099 --> 00:12:21,198 had them tacked to his walls. 189 00:12:21,198 --> 00:12:23,132 \hI don’t know if he was using them for insulation 190 00:12:23,132 --> 00:12:24,726 or what, you know, in bags, 191 00:12:24,726 --> 00:12:26,594 \hbut there were just huge piles of leaves 192 00:12:26,594 --> 00:12:28,462 all through the house. 193 00:12:28,462 --> 00:12:30,396 (suspenseful music) 194 00:12:30,396 --> 00:12:34,000 They started doing a room-by-room search, 195 00:12:34,000 --> 00:12:37,528 and they didn’t find anything \h\helse on the ground floor. 196 00:12:37,528 --> 00:12:40,099 They didn’t find anything else on the second floor. 197 00:12:40,099 --> 00:12:41,528 \h\hAnd then they noticed that there was a dresser 198 00:12:41,528 --> 00:12:46,000 \h\hpushed against the basement door, leading to the basement. 199 00:12:46,495 --> 00:12:51,000 \h\hYou know, it was strange, what’s down in his basement? 200 00:12:51,462 --> 00:12:54,396 (suspenseful music) 201 00:12:54,396 --> 00:12:56,000 \hAnd it was only on removing that dresser 202 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:00,264 and going down into the basement that they discovered Sarah. 203 00:13:00,726 --> 00:13:03,660 (tense mellow music) 204 00:13:03,660 --> 00:13:05,264 - And I could hear Joe yelling, 205 00:13:05,264 --> 00:13:08,363 "They found her, she’s \halive, she’s alive." 206 00:13:08,363 --> 00:13:09,396 - And in this basement area, 207 00:13:09,396 --> 00:13:10,528 there was a large \hpile of leaves. 208 00:13:10,528 --> 00:13:13,594 And then he had placed a number \h\hof blankets on top of that, 209 00:13:13,594 --> 00:13:16,726 \h\hand that’s where he was having Sarah sleep. 210 00:13:16,726 --> 00:13:18,462 She was tied with bungee cords 211 00:13:18,462 --> 00:13:21,594 \hwrapped around her feet, her ankles, and her wrists. 212 00:13:21,594 --> 00:13:24,495 \hAnd she also had, you know, like work gloves 213 00:13:24,495 --> 00:13:26,660 over her hands with duct tape. 214 00:13:27,330 --> 00:13:30,759 (tense mellow music) 215 00:13:35,726 --> 00:13:38,462 - In the beginning, there \h\hwasn’t a lot of hope 216 00:13:38,462 --> 00:13:40,330 that anybody would be alive. 217 00:13:40,330 --> 00:13:43,396 \h\h\hIt was just pure elation for all of us. 218 00:13:43,396 --> 00:13:44,264 It did give us some hope 219 00:13:44,264 --> 00:13:47,264 \h\hthat there would be others somewhere else. 220 00:13:50,594 --> 00:13:52,198 \h- Sarah said that she and her brother 221 00:13:52,198 --> 00:13:55,495 \h\hhad arrived home from school on that Wednesday, 222 00:13:56,066 --> 00:13:58,396 that they’d come in the front door 223 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:01,396 and you know, seen blood on the floor. 224 00:14:01,396 --> 00:14:06,264 \h\hAnd that then, this guy just appeared from around the corner, 225 00:14:06,264 --> 00:14:09,264 that she ran back into her bedroom. 226 00:14:09,462 --> 00:14:12,000 She was there in the \hhouse for a while. 227 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,066 She heard noises coming \h\hfrom the bathroom. 228 00:14:14,066 --> 00:14:17,396 She said that she suspected that they had been killed. 229 00:14:17,396 --> 00:14:19,594 She was afraid she was \h\hgoing to be killed, 230 00:14:19,594 --> 00:14:21,462 but that he had told \hher that, you know, 231 00:14:21,462 --> 00:14:22,330 he had not killed him. 232 00:14:22,330 --> 00:14:24,660 \h\h\hYou know, that things would be okay. 233 00:14:25,660 --> 00:14:29,132 - Sarah did confirm \hin her interview 234 00:14:29,132 --> 00:14:31,231 after she was rescued 235 00:14:31,231 --> 00:14:32,660 that he had sexually \h\h\hassaulted her. 236 00:14:32,660 --> 00:14:37,528 \hThrough her account, it gave us a better timeline 237 00:14:37,528 --> 00:14:40,000 as to how things occurred. 238 00:14:42,330 --> 00:14:46,264 (soft suspenseful music) 239 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:57,330 - Anytime you’re involved \h\hin an interrogation, 240 00:14:57,330 --> 00:15:01,231 the first thing you wanna do \his establish communication. 241 00:15:01,330 --> 00:15:03,000 That it’s just a matter \hof trying to come up 242 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,264 with the right way to have that person 243 00:15:04,264 --> 00:15:08,000 identify with you, trust \h\h\hyou to some degree. 244 00:16:07,726 --> 00:16:10,528 \h\h\h\h- We work towards him caring about his own family, 245 00:16:10,528 --> 00:16:14,132 his own mother, and this \hwould give her closure 246 00:16:14,132 --> 00:16:16,132 and give her respect. 247 00:16:25,627 --> 00:16:27,066 - The detectives were trying 248 00:16:27,066 --> 00:16:29,726 several different types \hof questions for him, 249 00:16:29,726 --> 00:16:31,759 at times would try to appeal 250 00:16:31,759 --> 00:16:35,132 \h\h\hto his empathy towards the victims. 251 00:16:47,198 --> 00:16:48,231 - They also tried to be 252 00:16:48,231 --> 00:16:51,132 a little bit more \hstern with him. 253 00:17:10,726 --> 00:17:13,330 \h\h- You’ve got this anxiety of, you know, 254 00:17:13,330 --> 00:17:16,528 \h\hthere could be people alive, hidden somewhere. 255 00:17:17,594 --> 00:17:19,363 - This is a very public case. 256 00:17:19,363 --> 00:17:21,330 The local public defender knew 257 00:17:21,330 --> 00:17:22,660 that we had a guy in custody. 258 00:17:22,660 --> 00:17:27,396 \h\h\hSo, they were trying to basically force their way in, 259 00:17:27,396 --> 00:17:30,462 figuratively, not literally, \h\h\h\hto get access to him, 260 00:17:30,462 --> 00:17:32,330 \h\h\hto basically be able to counsel him, 261 00:17:32,330 --> 00:17:34,594 \h\h\hwhich, you know, I mean, that’s their role. 262 00:17:34,594 --> 00:17:35,594 We knew that he was gonna have 263 00:17:35,594 --> 00:17:37,363 \ha first appearance in court eventually, 264 00:17:37,363 --> 00:17:38,462 ’cause he was being charged. 265 00:17:38,462 --> 00:17:42,264 The clock running, and we were running out of time. 266 00:17:49,726 --> 00:17:50,726 - [Journalist] Sunday, 267 00:17:50,726 --> 00:17:53,198 \h13-year-old Sarah Maynard was found, 268 00:17:53,198 --> 00:17:54,528 bound and gagged, but alive 269 00:17:54,528 --> 00:17:56,627 \hin the basement of a Mount Vernon home, 270 00:17:56,627 --> 00:18:00,000 and deputies arrested \h\hMatthew Hoffman. 271 00:18:02,231 --> 00:18:05,660 (taut mellow music) 272 00:18:10,726 --> 00:18:14,264 (suspenseful music) 273 00:18:32,462 --> 00:18:37,396 \h\h\h\h- He almost seemed comatose in that interview. 274 00:18:37,627 --> 00:18:41,132 It was something I had \hnot seen in 22 years 275 00:18:41,132 --> 00:18:44,396 in law enforcement, the way he reacted. 276 00:19:15,462 --> 00:19:18,330 - It was obvious we were hitting a cord with him. 277 00:19:18,330 --> 00:19:21,231 \h\h\hI think he was probably trying to resist a connection 278 00:19:21,231 --> 00:19:25,231 initially, as far as doing some form of sign language 279 00:19:25,231 --> 00:19:26,363 and trying to resist that. 280 00:19:26,363 --> 00:19:28,660 - At least it was communication. 281 00:19:28,660 --> 00:19:31,066 \h\h\h\h\h\hThat was a big breakthrough given the fact 282 00:19:31,066 --> 00:19:33,726 that he’d been absolutely \h\h\h\halmost catatonic 283 00:19:33,726 --> 00:19:35,264 up until that point. 284 00:19:50,330 --> 00:19:54,264 (soft suspenseful music) 285 00:19:55,330 --> 00:19:58,330 \h\h- My having come from having talked with Sarah, 286 00:19:58,330 --> 00:20:01,198 who had spent the last \hcouple days with him, 287 00:20:01,198 --> 00:20:04,660 let me go in and talk \h\hto him about her, 288 00:20:04,660 --> 00:20:07,198 \habout the fact that she’s concerned about 289 00:20:07,198 --> 00:20:09,462 \hwhat’s going on with the rest of her family members, 290 00:20:09,462 --> 00:20:15,099 to just try and work the young girl angle to him. 291 00:20:29,396 --> 00:20:32,726 \h\hMy short-term goal was just to get him to respond. 292 00:20:32,726 --> 00:20:34,363 You know, we had rescued Sarah. 293 00:20:34,363 --> 00:20:37,627 \hI thought maybe there’s something going on here. 294 00:20:58,330 --> 00:21:00,132 A lot of times you just have to wait, you know, 295 00:21:00,132 --> 00:21:03,660 \h\h\h\h\h\hbecause they become uncomfortable with the silence. 296 00:21:16,627 --> 00:21:20,264 (suspenseful music) 297 00:21:42,132 --> 00:21:44,528 (sniffling) 298 00:22:12,627 --> 00:22:15,528 - In this interrogation, as in any interrogation, 299 00:22:15,528 --> 00:22:18,726 \h\h\hthe person who controls our ability 300 00:22:18,726 --> 00:22:22,231 \h\hto continue talking with the subject, is the subject. 301 00:22:22,231 --> 00:22:24,495 In other words, they’re the ones who basically 302 00:22:24,495 --> 00:22:26,528 at any time can say, "I want an attorney." 303 00:22:26,528 --> 00:22:28,264 And you know, we knew \h\hthat any attorney 304 00:22:28,264 --> 00:22:30,066 that he was gonna get was gonna immediately 305 00:22:30,066 --> 00:22:31,000 tell him to stop talking. 306 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:32,660 \h\hAnd I knew we were coming to a close here, 307 00:22:32,660 --> 00:22:34,132 \h\hso I wanted to give him something 308 00:22:34,132 --> 00:22:36,231 to think about overnight. 309 00:22:47,462 --> 00:22:50,594 I’m trying to keep an open \h\hline of communication. 310 00:22:50,594 --> 00:22:51,660 Here’s my information. 311 00:22:51,660 --> 00:22:53,198 Make some kind of a personal connection 312 00:22:53,198 --> 00:22:57,264 because tomorrow, we’re gonna be back to fight another day. 313 00:22:59,594 --> 00:23:03,495 (soft suspenseful music) 314 00:23:21,099 --> 00:23:23,660 - [Detective] Have a seat. 315 00:23:24,264 --> 00:23:28,264 (soft suspenseful music) 316 00:23:28,462 --> 00:23:30,264 - I don’t think it \hwas a coincidence 317 00:23:30,264 --> 00:23:32,066 that he picked that home 318 00:23:32,066 --> 00:23:34,594 with a 13-year-old girl in it. 319 00:23:34,594 --> 00:23:37,528 (suspenseful music) 320 00:23:37,528 --> 00:23:40,495 He chose not to kill her and to take her instead. 321 00:23:40,495 --> 00:23:44,495 \hSo, we thought let’s see how he will behave 322 00:23:44,495 --> 00:23:46,660 with a female interviewer. 323 00:23:55,066 --> 00:23:57,330 The day before, the \hgentleman had had 324 00:23:57,330 --> 00:23:59,000 a table between them. 325 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,363 So we changed up the room 326 00:24:00,363 --> 00:24:03,759 \h\hso that we put a chair close together. 327 00:24:03,759 --> 00:24:05,594 I had my hair in a ponytail 328 00:24:05,594 --> 00:24:08,396 and we actually talked \h\h\habout me looking, 329 00:24:08,396 --> 00:24:09,759 trying to look a little younger 330 00:24:09,759 --> 00:24:12,660 and looking more relaxed \h\hand more comfortable 331 00:24:12,660 --> 00:24:17,000 \hso that he felt more relaxed and off guard. 332 00:24:21,099 --> 00:24:24,000 \h\hGoing at him hard didn’t seem to work. 333 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:28,759 \h\h\hWe decided we were gonna go very slowly and a soft approach. 334 00:24:28,759 --> 00:24:32,000 He was actually shivering \h\hpretty significantly. 335 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,264 So I’m trying to get him relaxed, 336 00:24:34,264 --> 00:24:36,594 to think that I’m interested in how 337 00:24:36,594 --> 00:24:39,594 \h\hhe’s handling the situation right now. 338 00:24:39,594 --> 00:24:42,594 So that was just a way to try to put him off guard, 339 00:24:42,594 --> 00:24:43,726 to break down those barriers 340 00:24:43,726 --> 00:24:46,528 \hso that I can get to that backstory. 341 00:25:39,099 --> 00:25:41,000 - As we were going through \h\h\h\hthe day, I thought, 342 00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,528 well, you know, he’s \h\hgotta be hungry. 343 00:25:49,726 --> 00:25:51,000 - He wants to be taken care of. 344 00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:53,627 \h\hHe wants to be paid attention to. 345 00:25:57,264 --> 00:25:58,330 Especially by a female. 346 00:25:58,330 --> 00:26:01,726 And I just fed into him, \h\hgiving him that focus 347 00:26:01,726 --> 00:26:03,099 and giving him that attention, 348 00:26:03,099 --> 00:26:05,528 \h\hso that he would bring his guard down. 349 00:26:33,726 --> 00:26:36,462 (suspenseful music) 350 00:26:36,462 --> 00:26:38,198 - These people have been \hmissing since Wednesday 351 00:26:38,198 --> 00:26:40,198 \hand there’d been a great deal of searching going on. 352 00:26:40,198 --> 00:26:42,726 \h\hGiven the fact that we had significant signs of struggle, 353 00:26:42,726 --> 00:26:48,264 trauma, injury, it heightens the concern and the anxiety. 354 00:26:53,132 --> 00:26:54,660 \h\h- [Reporter] After five days of searching, 355 00:26:54,660 --> 00:26:56,099 Knox County Sheriff’s deputies 356 00:26:56,099 --> 00:27:00,264 finally find 13-year-old \h\hSarah Maynard alive. 357 00:27:00,396 --> 00:27:03,363 32-year-old Tina Herrmann, \h11-year-old Kody Maynard, 358 00:27:03,363 --> 00:27:06,759 \h\h\h\h\hand Tina’s friend, 41-year-old Stephanie Sprang 359 00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:08,759 are all still missing. 360 00:27:08,759 --> 00:27:13,000 (soft suspenseful music) 361 00:27:23,132 --> 00:27:26,264 (Matt sniffling) 362 00:28:03,264 --> 00:28:06,660 (suspenseful music) 363 00:28:07,594 --> 00:28:11,594 \h\h\h- Hoffman outright lied about what happened with her. 364 00:28:15,594 --> 00:28:16,528 Basically saying, you know, 365 00:28:16,528 --> 00:28:18,495 \h\hhe just took care of her while she was there, 366 00:28:18,495 --> 00:28:21,330 when we know that he had \hsexually assaulted her, 367 00:28:21,330 --> 00:28:22,528 but I wasn’t gonna confront it. 368 00:28:22,528 --> 00:28:25,000 \h\h\h\hI think it’s very important for him to hear 369 00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:27,099 \hthat I’m not gonna judge him in any way, 370 00:28:27,099 --> 00:28:33,198 \hso I can, you know, be his partner in this, so to speak. 371 00:29:06,627 --> 00:29:07,726 - Okay. 372 00:29:15,264 --> 00:29:17,132 He would completely shut down. 373 00:29:17,132 --> 00:29:18,528 We did get nuggets \h\hof information 374 00:29:18,528 --> 00:29:20,726 that we certainly could have used against him. 375 00:29:20,726 --> 00:29:22,759 We knew that if he \hdoesn’t say this, 376 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:24,363 we probably will never find them, 377 00:29:24,363 --> 00:29:28,363 so we need to get him talking. 378 00:29:28,363 --> 00:29:31,726 (suspenseful music) 379 00:29:39,231 --> 00:29:42,759 - Everyone at work \hwas very hopeful, 380 00:29:42,759 --> 00:29:45,000 but as the days went on, 381 00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:48,495 we were feeling less and less. 382 00:29:48,495 --> 00:29:49,528 - It was like a roller coaster. 383 00:29:49,528 --> 00:29:55,198 I was always hopeful that they \h\hwould find them all alive. 384 00:29:56,627 --> 00:29:59,627 I was fearful that \h\hthey wouldn’t. 385 00:29:59,627 --> 00:30:03,198 (suspenseful music) 386 00:30:15,231 --> 00:30:17,099 - The two clocks that were \hrunning in our mind were 387 00:30:17,099 --> 00:30:21,132 \h\h\hone, how long he was gonna agree to continue to talk to us, 388 00:30:21,132 --> 00:30:23,759 \hand two, the point at which he was gonna have 389 00:30:23,759 --> 00:30:25,627 \h\han appearance in court, at which time 390 00:30:25,627 --> 00:30:27,330 \h\hhe was going to be given a lawyer. 391 00:30:27,330 --> 00:30:31,066 \h\h- We started hearing that the Defense Attorney’s Office 392 00:30:31,066 --> 00:30:32,726 wanted to communicate with him. 393 00:30:32,726 --> 00:30:35,363 \hWe were hitting a point where we need to push now 394 00:30:35,363 --> 00:30:38,264 because we only have \hso much time left. 395 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:08,264 - His whole demeanor \h\h\h\hhas changed. 396 00:31:08,264 --> 00:31:12,264 \h\h\hHe is now much more comfortable and kind of, 397 00:31:12,264 --> 00:31:15,396 you know, calling the \hshots, in a sense. 398 00:31:28,198 --> 00:31:32,264 \h\h- The day before, said he wanted to talk with me alone. 399 00:31:39,627 --> 00:31:43,000 - My first thought was, \hwell, this is a test. 400 00:31:52,330 --> 00:31:53,396 - Okay. 401 00:31:53,660 --> 00:31:56,660 \h- So we didn’t know what he was going to want to do. 402 00:31:56,660 --> 00:32:01,000 \h\h- I mean, literally all the rules are off and he knew that. 403 00:32:06,462 --> 00:32:10,132 (taut mellow music) 404 00:32:26,594 --> 00:32:30,726 \hSo, we go down to the bathroom down the hall. 405 00:32:30,726 --> 00:32:35,132 \hIt’s a small one john, one sink, you know, room. 406 00:32:35,462 --> 00:32:38,198 And you know, he wants \hme to go in with him. 407 00:32:38,198 --> 00:32:41,396 (suspenseful music) 408 00:32:41,396 --> 00:32:43,330 \h- Obviously, he knew there were no cameras, 409 00:32:43,330 --> 00:32:47,264 so we didn’t know what he was going to want to do. 410 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,198 - And then he says he’s had this dream 411 00:32:52,198 --> 00:32:54,594 about working in a meat packing plant. 412 00:32:54,594 --> 00:32:57,396 And he saw cut up body parts, 413 00:32:57,396 --> 00:32:59,396 and it all came back to him. 414 00:33:00,396 --> 00:33:04,132 The whole discussion again \hconfirmed the worst fears 415 00:33:04,132 --> 00:33:06,462 \h\h\hthat those people were in fact deceased. 416 00:33:06,462 --> 00:33:08,330 (suspenseful music) 417 00:33:08,330 --> 00:33:11,231 So he wanted to tell us where the bodies were, 418 00:33:11,231 --> 00:33:12,330 but it was only gonna be under 419 00:33:12,330 --> 00:33:14,231 a certain set of circumstances. 420 00:33:14,231 --> 00:33:15,330 (suspenseful music) 421 00:33:15,330 --> 00:33:17,231 Then we would agree \hto take him out, 422 00:33:17,231 --> 00:33:19,594 \hto have him show us where the bodies were 423 00:33:19,594 --> 00:33:21,330 and that while we had him out, 424 00:33:21,330 --> 00:33:23,066 he was going to try to escape 425 00:33:23,066 --> 00:33:27,000 \hand we would agree to shoot him and kill him. 426 00:33:27,231 --> 00:33:29,660 \h\h\h\hWe finished in the bathroom and went back down 427 00:33:29,660 --> 00:33:31,726 \hto the interview room and, you know, 428 00:33:31,726 --> 00:33:35,660 brought Kristin back in and, \hlet’s have this discussion. 429 00:33:57,726 --> 00:34:00,132 \h- At this point, all the evidence was there. 430 00:34:00,132 --> 00:34:02,495 \h\hYou know, I have enough information in front of me 431 00:34:02,495 --> 00:34:04,066 to know we had him. 432 00:34:04,066 --> 00:34:05,528 - He knew he was guilty. 433 00:34:05,528 --> 00:34:06,726 He knew he was caught. 434 00:34:06,726 --> 00:34:09,066 He knew this was over. 435 00:34:09,066 --> 00:34:12,198 \h\h\h\hSo, we just started trying to push even harder 436 00:34:12,198 --> 00:34:17,396 and get him to admit it without \h\h\hgiving him anything back. 437 00:34:54,231 --> 00:34:56,066 \h\h- The one thing he had any control 438 00:34:56,066 --> 00:34:57,462 over the last thing in his life 439 00:34:57,462 --> 00:34:59,396 he was gonna have control over, 440 00:34:59,396 --> 00:35:01,330 was this stretch of time, 441 00:35:01,330 --> 00:35:03,330 by basically dragging this out. 442 00:35:03,330 --> 00:35:04,330 So I was gonna, you know, 443 00:35:04,330 --> 00:35:06,528 just start to turn \hup the heat more. 444 00:35:12,759 --> 00:35:15,198 - I was told that the \hprosecutor had said 445 00:35:15,198 --> 00:35:17,396 \h\hthat he’s gonna get arraigned soon. 446 00:35:17,396 --> 00:35:19,396 And we knew we were \hon a time crunch 447 00:35:19,396 --> 00:35:23,363 and it wasn’t working as the way we wanted it to. 448 00:35:23,363 --> 00:35:27,396 And the reality is that he’s \h\hnot telling us the truth. 449 00:35:43,660 --> 00:35:45,528 (knock at door) 450 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,660 (tense music) 451 00:36:10,726 --> 00:36:12,726 \h\hI had never had that happen before. 452 00:36:12,726 --> 00:36:14,759 I’ve had long interviews before, 453 00:36:14,759 --> 00:36:17,396 but I’ve not had them \hstop the interview. 454 00:36:17,396 --> 00:36:19,594 You can be frustrated \hwhen somebody else 455 00:36:19,594 --> 00:36:20,627 comes in to stop the process 456 00:36:20,627 --> 00:36:24,396 when the individual is still willing to talk. 457 00:36:24,396 --> 00:36:26,594 (door bangs) 458 00:36:26,594 --> 00:36:30,132 (taut mellow music) 459 00:36:49,198 --> 00:36:51,396 Apparently, between the Knox County prosecutor 460 00:36:51,396 --> 00:36:54,264 and the attorneys, they had decided on the deal 461 00:36:54,264 --> 00:36:57,132 \h\hof taking the death penalty off the table. 462 00:36:57,132 --> 00:36:59,627 Once the deal was made, that’s when 463 00:36:59,627 --> 00:37:02,594 \hhe was willing to give up where the bodies were. 464 00:37:02,594 --> 00:37:06,132 (suspenseful music) 465 00:37:14,660 --> 00:37:19,396 \h\h\h- We headed out to this Pocosin Wildlife Refuge area. 466 00:37:20,627 --> 00:37:24,264 (suspenseful music) 467 00:37:26,231 --> 00:37:28,462 There’s this large \hbeech tree there, 468 00:37:28,462 --> 00:37:31,528 \h\h\habout 70 feet up, the branches kind of wide out. 469 00:37:31,528 --> 00:37:33,660 \h\hI could see that about seven foot above the ground 470 00:37:33,660 --> 00:37:36,231 there was what appeared \h\hto be a knot hole. 471 00:37:36,231 --> 00:37:39,528 I could see that there was a \hblack garbage bag in there. 472 00:37:39,528 --> 00:37:42,396 \h\hAnd obviously, that was the confirmation we needed 473 00:37:42,396 --> 00:37:45,528 \hto believe that that was, in fact, the tree. 474 00:37:51,363 --> 00:37:53,066 \h\h\h- [Reporter] This is the tree investigators say 475 00:37:53,066 --> 00:37:57,000 Matthew Hoffman left the \hremains of his victims. 476 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,363 The hole you see here, 477 00:37:58,363 --> 00:38:02,198 \hcut by investigators to retrieve the three. 478 00:38:02,198 --> 00:38:05,528 (suspenseful music) 479 00:38:14,363 --> 00:38:16,627 - I remember investigators \h\h\h\hsaying they brought 480 00:38:16,627 --> 00:38:20,132 \h\ha dog out there and the dog didn’t hit on the tree, 481 00:38:20,132 --> 00:38:21,759 ’cause it was so thick. 482 00:38:23,330 --> 00:38:25,066 \h\hHe went up to the very top of the tree 483 00:38:25,066 --> 00:38:29,594 \h\hand he drops the bags the whole way down to the bottom. 484 00:38:29,594 --> 00:38:31,726 (suspenseful music) 485 00:38:31,726 --> 00:38:37,198 They had to pull all the bags \h\hout and open them all up. 486 00:38:37,198 --> 00:38:40,000 (suspenseful music) 487 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:43,396 And basically make sure we had every body part. 488 00:38:43,396 --> 00:38:47,462 That scene is not something \h\h\hthat you can forget. 489 00:38:47,462 --> 00:38:51,000 (suspenseful music) 490 00:38:59,627 --> 00:39:02,000 \h\h- He said that he had just identified the house 491 00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:06,528 the day before, that he had \hgone and spent the night 492 00:39:06,528 --> 00:39:09,660 \hacross the street in a sleeping bag. 493 00:39:10,198 --> 00:39:12,330 \hTina left, and he felt like she had gone to work 494 00:39:12,330 --> 00:39:14,099 \h\hand she was gonna be gone for a while. 495 00:39:14,099 --> 00:39:16,660 - He stuck with his story \h\hthat this was simply 496 00:39:16,660 --> 00:39:19,231 a home invasion for a theft. 497 00:39:19,231 --> 00:39:22,660 (suspenseful music) 498 00:39:24,363 --> 00:39:26,462 And Tina came home unexpectedly. 499 00:39:26,462 --> 00:39:28,627 He said that he just \h\hwanted to hit her 500 00:39:28,627 --> 00:39:30,462 over the head and knock her out, 501 00:39:30,462 --> 00:39:32,726 but she wouldn’t go unconscious. 502 00:39:32,726 --> 00:39:34,759 And in the midst of attacking her, 503 00:39:34,759 --> 00:39:37,198 Stephanie just came \h\hinto the house. 504 00:39:37,198 --> 00:39:40,396 \h\h- She just walked into the place, came upon this, 505 00:39:40,396 --> 00:39:42,330 \h\hand then when there were two people there, 506 00:39:42,330 --> 00:39:44,462 he basically felt out of control 507 00:39:44,462 --> 00:39:47,000 and had to start stabbing people. 508 00:39:47,330 --> 00:39:49,594 (suspenseful music) 509 00:39:49,594 --> 00:39:52,330 - He says he didn’t expect the children 510 00:39:52,330 --> 00:39:53,396 to come home so early. 511 00:39:53,396 --> 00:39:54,627 And he heard them coming in 512 00:39:54,627 --> 00:39:56,726 and accosted them at the door. 513 00:39:56,726 --> 00:39:59,759 \hWhen he got to down to just having the 13-year-old girl, 514 00:39:59,759 --> 00:40:01,660 he believed he didn’t \h\hneed to kill her 515 00:40:01,660 --> 00:40:04,495 because he felt he \hcould subdue her. 516 00:40:04,495 --> 00:40:06,231 So that’s why he did that out of 517 00:40:06,231 --> 00:40:08,594 \h\h\h\h\hbasically the kindness of his heart. 518 00:40:08,594 --> 00:40:10,726 (suspenseful music) 519 00:40:10,726 --> 00:40:12,462 Mr. Hoffman described how 520 00:40:12,462 --> 00:40:16,231 \h\h\h\hhe took care of the bodies by processing them. 521 00:40:16,264 --> 00:40:18,462 \h- Then he thought, "Well, I’ll put them in the tree." 522 00:40:18,462 --> 00:40:19,627 You know, he knew of this tree, 523 00:40:19,627 --> 00:40:20,726 \h\hspent a lot of time in the woods, 524 00:40:20,726 --> 00:40:23,198 \h\hand that then he would go get gasoline 525 00:40:23,198 --> 00:40:26,000 \h\hand come back and burn the house down. 526 00:40:28,066 --> 00:40:31,396 (taut mellow music) 527 00:40:32,462 --> 00:40:34,627 \h\h\h\h- I was impressed through the entire case, 528 00:40:34,627 --> 00:40:37,759 \h\h\h\hhow Knox County Sheriff’s Department handled the situation 529 00:40:37,759 --> 00:40:40,132 \h\h\h\h\h\hand it was good old-fashioned police work, 530 00:40:40,132 --> 00:40:41,594 how they found Matthew Hoffman. 531 00:40:41,594 --> 00:40:43,396 And they did a fantastic job 532 00:40:43,396 --> 00:40:47,264 in getting to where this \h\hcase was so quickly. 533 00:40:48,726 --> 00:40:52,000 (suspenseful music) 534 00:40:52,000 --> 00:40:54,000 - Finding the pleas \hto be voluntary, 535 00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:55,132 the court accepts the pleas 536 00:40:55,132 --> 00:40:57,264 and finds the defendant guilty. 537 00:40:57,759 --> 00:41:01,363 (taut mellow music) 538 00:41:04,396 --> 00:41:08,066 - Life in prison is not enough \hjustice for Matthew Hoffman, 539 00:41:08,066 --> 00:41:12,198 but there’s also judgment day. 540 00:41:12,198 --> 00:41:15,000 So he’s got judgment day coming. 541 00:41:19,231 --> 00:41:22,660 (soft somber music) 542 00:41:23,363 --> 00:41:27,528 \h- The funeral was held in a church in Columbus. 543 00:41:27,528 --> 00:41:31,132 There was no sitting room. 544 00:41:31,132 --> 00:41:32,726 There was people standing. 545 00:41:32,726 --> 00:41:38,528 \h\hI say there was probably at least 500 people, if not more. 546 00:41:39,264 --> 00:41:43,660 \hThere’s not a day that I don’t think about ’em. 547 00:41:44,099 --> 00:41:46,264 I just want people to know, you know, 548 00:41:46,264 --> 00:41:50,099 that they were mothers, that they were friends, 549 00:41:50,099 --> 00:41:53,132 that they were amazing people. 550 00:41:53,132 --> 00:41:57,000 - I just never thought \hthat life would ever 551 00:41:57,000 --> 00:41:58,627 not have Stephanie in it. 552 00:41:58,627 --> 00:42:00,000 I just wish that everybody 553 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,726 could really know how \hwonderful she was. 554 00:42:02,726 --> 00:42:06,495 - Sarah, she’s doing \h\ha lot better now. 555 00:42:06,495 --> 00:42:09,726 She has children of her own. 556 00:42:09,726 --> 00:42:11,000 The last time I talked to her, 557 00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:15,396 she was getting ready to go back to school again. 558 00:42:17,462 --> 00:42:19,264 \h- This case stands out in the fact that 559 00:42:19,264 --> 00:42:20,462 the 13-year-old girl was saved, 560 00:42:20,462 --> 00:42:23,462 \hand that rarely happened in the cases that I worked. 561 00:42:23,462 --> 00:42:27,528 \h\h\hThis case really made me realize that there’s some cases 562 00:42:27,528 --> 00:42:30,066 \h\h\hwhere you’re really gonna make a difference. 563 00:42:30,066 --> 00:42:31,198 - When you do interrogations, 564 00:42:31,198 --> 00:42:34,462 you have to have the mind of the eternal optimist, 565 00:42:34,462 --> 00:42:36,594 \h\h’cause a lot of times you’re not getting a lot, 566 00:42:36,594 --> 00:42:39,726 but you have to believe in your heart and in your mind 567 00:42:39,726 --> 00:42:40,759 that you’re gonna get it. 568 00:42:40,759 --> 00:42:43,066 I have no regrets about \hthis case whatsoever. 569 00:42:43,066 --> 00:42:46,066 \h\hI mean, you know, the fact that Matthew Hoffman 570 00:42:46,066 --> 00:42:48,462 \h\h\h\hwas a complete whodunit and got away, 571 00:42:48,462 --> 00:42:49,363 you know, with the girl; 572 00:42:49,363 --> 00:42:51,726 \h\h\hthe fact, you know, that we got what we did, 573 00:42:51,726 --> 00:42:53,066 bringing a quick conclusion to it 574 00:42:53,066 --> 00:42:56,660 \hand having him get life in prison without parole. 575 00:42:56,660 --> 00:42:59,363 There is a part of me that just felt like, 576 00:42:59,363 --> 00:43:02,528 Matthew Hoffman, you’re \hno longer in control. 577 00:43:03,264 --> 00:43:06,528 (tense music)