1 00:00:01,627 --> 00:00:03,795 [tense music] 2 00:00:11,261 --> 00:00:13,555 [laughing] [dramatic music] 3 00:00:13,555 --> 00:00:15,015 - I could just hear her phone ringing, 4 00:00:15,015 --> 00:00:17,434 ringing, ringing, ringing, ringing, 5 00:00:17,434 --> 00:00:19,770 and I'm thinking, why is she not answering it? 6 00:00:19,770 --> 00:00:22,606 And the dogs were over there just barking, barking. 7 00:00:22,606 --> 00:00:25,359 So no, like this is wrong. It's all wrong. 8 00:00:25,359 --> 00:00:27,444 [siren wailing] 9 00:00:27,444 --> 00:00:28,987 - We went out there to check on Linda. 10 00:00:28,987 --> 00:00:31,156 We were getting no response. 11 00:00:31,156 --> 00:00:32,950 - I started yelling for her. 12 00:00:32,950 --> 00:00:34,701 - [Curt] We're trying to look in the windows. 13 00:00:34,701 --> 00:00:37,329 The house was a mess. 14 00:00:37,329 --> 00:00:39,164 - It looked like there had been a fight. 15 00:00:40,123 --> 00:00:41,875 This is bad. 16 00:00:41,875 --> 00:00:43,669 - We learned that her ex-boyfriend 17 00:00:43,669 --> 00:00:45,712 had some violent tendencies. 18 00:00:45,712 --> 00:00:47,631 He even choked her in the past. 19 00:00:49,007 --> 00:00:50,968 I'm thinking, time's ticking. 20 00:00:50,968 --> 00:00:53,345 We gotta find Linda, let's find her alive. 21 00:00:53,345 --> 00:00:55,555 [tense music] 22 00:01:04,982 --> 00:01:07,693 We are doing everything we can do to confirm 23 00:01:07,693 --> 00:01:10,571 that Linda's there and if her wellbeing's okay. 24 00:01:10,571 --> 00:01:15,909 When we eventually get inside, the radio was still on 25 00:01:18,161 --> 00:01:20,789 and the gas stove was still on and burning. 26 00:01:22,165 --> 00:01:24,710 There are some things on the floor that's usually not there. 27 00:01:24,710 --> 00:01:26,169 We see the lamp knocked over 28 00:01:27,379 --> 00:01:29,715 and there's a broken necklace on the floor, 29 00:01:30,841 --> 00:01:33,010 along with Linda's purse and cell phone. 30 00:01:34,261 --> 00:01:38,390 - When I saw the broken necklace, that was like fear. 31 00:01:38,390 --> 00:01:40,475 You could tell that it had been ripped off. 32 00:01:42,144 --> 00:01:45,355 It was like, no way. Just no way. 33 00:01:46,398 --> 00:01:47,691 - Definitely appeared to be 34 00:01:47,691 --> 00:01:49,735 some kind of struggle happened in there. 35 00:01:49,735 --> 00:01:51,987 You know, a fight of some kind or something. 36 00:01:51,987 --> 00:01:54,614 [tense music] 37 00:01:54,614 --> 00:01:59,411 We are going through the house, but Linda's not there. 38 00:01:59,411 --> 00:02:03,832 - It just makes your worst fears automatically go to bad places, 39 00:02:03,832 --> 00:02:05,375 because she always had her phone on her 40 00:02:05,375 --> 00:02:08,044 and the dogs would always be with her. 41 00:02:08,044 --> 00:02:09,963 She didn't go anywhere without them. 42 00:02:09,963 --> 00:02:12,883 - The worst case is she has been taken against her will 43 00:02:12,883 --> 00:02:14,843 and what else has happened to her? 44 00:02:14,843 --> 00:02:17,054 [tense music] 45 00:02:29,316 --> 00:02:31,818 - She's somebody's mother. She's somebody's daughter. 46 00:02:31,818 --> 00:02:34,112 She's somebody's cousin. She's somebody's sister. 47 00:02:34,112 --> 00:02:35,530 She's also somebody's friend. 48 00:02:35,530 --> 00:02:37,199 She's a lot of people's friend. 49 00:02:39,201 --> 00:02:41,662 - I spoke with a lot of friends. 50 00:02:41,662 --> 00:02:44,039 When discussing possible suspects, 51 00:02:44,039 --> 00:02:46,416 they had mentioned Linda's ex-boyfriend, 52 00:02:46,416 --> 00:02:50,712 Charles Willhite, that Linda had recently broken up with, 53 00:02:50,712 --> 00:02:52,673 and Jay Rothe that had been 54 00:02:52,673 --> 00:02:56,134 with Linda the night before at Linda's house. 55 00:02:57,803 --> 00:03:00,722 We needed to find them as quickly as possible 56 00:03:00,722 --> 00:03:02,724 to figure out where Linda was. 57 00:03:05,394 --> 00:03:07,604 [gentle music] 58 00:03:09,022 --> 00:03:12,234 - Linda Riley was my next door neighbor 59 00:03:12,234 --> 00:03:13,819 and when she first moved in, 60 00:03:13,819 --> 00:03:16,697 she had these two little puppies. 61 00:03:16,697 --> 00:03:20,242 And I thought, oh gosh, here we go, some crazy dog lady. 62 00:03:20,242 --> 00:03:25,205 [chuckles] And she turned out to be a very amazing person. 63 00:03:25,205 --> 00:03:27,457 I knew her as Twiggy. 64 00:03:27,457 --> 00:03:29,459 She was a very tiny person, 65 00:03:29,459 --> 00:03:32,087 but she's got a big, bubbly personality. 66 00:03:32,712 --> 00:03:33,964 We'd meet out in the yard every morning 67 00:03:33,964 --> 00:03:35,757 and we'd have like a cup of coffee 68 00:03:35,757 --> 00:03:38,593 or something together and became friends. 69 00:03:39,594 --> 00:03:41,054 I don't think I remember ever seeing her 70 00:03:41,054 --> 00:03:42,514 without a smile on her face. 71 00:03:45,350 --> 00:03:47,561 [tense music] 72 00:03:59,614 --> 00:04:01,700 - Jay came down consensually. 73 00:04:02,659 --> 00:04:04,286 I was kind of taken aback because 74 00:04:04,286 --> 00:04:07,456 we made numerous attempts to get in contact with Jay 75 00:04:07,456 --> 00:04:09,458 and had been unsuccessful with that. 76 00:04:10,459 --> 00:04:13,336 Jay said that he had heard that Linda was missing 77 00:04:13,336 --> 00:04:16,423 and he knew that we would wanna talk with him. 78 00:04:16,423 --> 00:04:17,882 Now I have to figure out 79 00:04:17,882 --> 00:04:19,551 if he may have done something to Linda 80 00:04:19,551 --> 00:04:22,846 or if he could point us to where Linda might be located. 81 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:28,310 All right, Jay, again, I appreciate you coming in 82 00:04:28,310 --> 00:04:29,561 and talking with me. 83 00:04:31,021 --> 00:04:32,814 So you were with her last night? 84 00:04:34,191 --> 00:04:36,401 - [Neal] Tell me, tell me about last night. 85 00:04:36,401 --> 00:04:38,570 Tell me what you guys did last night. 86 00:04:42,657 --> 00:04:44,326 - [Neal] And then you went back to Linda's? 87 00:04:50,665 --> 00:04:53,168 - [Neal] Okay, and then how late did you stay over there? 88 00:04:56,463 --> 00:04:57,506 - [Neal] Okay. 89 00:05:02,886 --> 00:05:05,514 - [Neal] Did she reply back to you when you sent her this text? 90 00:05:09,351 --> 00:05:10,477 - [Neal] Can I see that? 91 00:05:13,355 --> 00:05:14,439 - [Neal] Okay. 92 00:05:16,566 --> 00:05:18,985 Do you mind, how do I see the rest of your messages? 93 00:05:23,865 --> 00:05:24,950 - [Neal] Okay. 94 00:05:53,186 --> 00:05:55,522 - [Neal] Whenever I asked to look at his phone, 95 00:05:55,522 --> 00:05:57,899 he readily gave it up. 96 00:05:57,899 --> 00:06:01,820 And his version of events matched with the text messages. 97 00:06:03,238 --> 00:06:05,949 It did not appear that he was holding anything back. 98 00:06:05,949 --> 00:06:08,743 [clock ticking] 99 00:06:08,743 --> 00:06:11,288 What would you consider your guys' relationship? 100 00:06:15,417 --> 00:06:17,335 - [Neal] You had a little, an intimate relationship? 101 00:06:18,295 --> 00:06:19,921 - [Neal] Maybe having sex on occasion? 102 00:06:19,921 --> 00:06:20,964 Is that what you're talking-- 103 00:06:20,964 --> 00:06:22,549 - [Neal] Okay. 104 00:06:22,549 --> 00:06:24,551 Have you guys ever had any problems before with each other? 105 00:06:28,430 --> 00:06:29,681 - [Neal] Nothing big, though? 106 00:06:40,233 --> 00:06:41,401 - [Neal] Who's that? 107 00:06:44,487 --> 00:06:46,740 [tense music] 108 00:06:56,166 --> 00:06:59,002 - He got worked up when talking about Charles 109 00:06:59,002 --> 00:07:02,130 and he's really trying to point the finger, 110 00:07:02,130 --> 00:07:05,884 but he genuinely seemed concerned about her 111 00:07:05,884 --> 00:07:08,261 and he was totally cooperative. 112 00:07:08,261 --> 00:07:11,514 He really didn't provide anything 113 00:07:11,514 --> 00:07:13,767 that would add suspicion to him. 114 00:07:13,767 --> 00:07:16,144 So Jay is free to go. 115 00:07:16,144 --> 00:07:18,855 Well, you have my number, so if anything comes up. 116 00:07:18,855 --> 00:07:20,732 I appreciate you volunteering to come down here 117 00:07:20,732 --> 00:07:22,651 on your own too, as well, so. 118 00:07:24,319 --> 00:07:25,612 - [Neal] Let you get outta here, okay? 119 00:07:28,281 --> 00:07:30,825 - At that point, I needed to speak with Charles 120 00:07:30,825 --> 00:07:33,578 with the hope that he would lead us to where Linda was. 121 00:07:34,829 --> 00:07:37,082 [tense music] 122 00:07:40,001 --> 00:07:41,252 Have a seat for me there. 123 00:07:41,252 --> 00:07:42,420 [clock ticking] 124 00:07:42,420 --> 00:07:44,714 Thanks, Charles. All right. 125 00:07:46,925 --> 00:07:49,344 When was the last time you talked to Linda? 126 00:07:51,721 --> 00:07:52,806 - [Neal] Okay. 127 00:07:57,852 --> 00:07:59,396 - [Neal] No, no. 128 00:07:59,396 --> 00:08:00,897 So you guys were together for how long? 129 00:08:02,399 --> 00:08:04,609 - [Neal] When did you guys separate or break up? 130 00:08:12,242 --> 00:08:13,493 - [Neal] Did she mention 131 00:08:13,493 --> 00:08:15,370 that she was having problems with anyone? 132 00:08:27,048 --> 00:08:30,009 - It was readily apparent both Jay and Charles 133 00:08:30,009 --> 00:08:32,929 had animosity between each other, 134 00:08:32,929 --> 00:08:36,265 but Jay didn't bring the physical altercations up 135 00:08:36,265 --> 00:08:38,559 during the first interview with him. 136 00:08:39,894 --> 00:08:42,188 That was very suspicious. 137 00:08:42,188 --> 00:08:44,482 So I wanted to see what else Charles had to say, 138 00:08:44,482 --> 00:08:45,859 what he could tell me. 139 00:08:47,110 --> 00:08:49,571 So basically, what you're telling me is you're saying 140 00:08:49,571 --> 00:08:52,323 you think Jay has something to do with this. 141 00:08:59,622 --> 00:09:01,249 - Well, I appreciate you coming in again 142 00:09:01,249 --> 00:09:02,751 and cooperating with us. 143 00:09:03,710 --> 00:09:05,003 My head was kind of spinning 144 00:09:05,003 --> 00:09:07,672 trying to decipher who's being honest. 145 00:09:07,672 --> 00:09:09,632 Because we had no physical evidence 146 00:09:09,632 --> 00:09:12,135 to point us in the right direction. 147 00:09:12,135 --> 00:09:14,054 All right, Charles, if you hear anything or... 148 00:09:17,515 --> 00:09:18,850 - At that point, 149 00:09:18,975 --> 00:09:22,937 I needed to know if Jay did in fact assault Linda. 150 00:09:22,937 --> 00:09:25,190 [tense music] 151 00:09:29,819 --> 00:09:31,738 - I told them that Linda had told me that her 152 00:09:31,738 --> 00:09:34,449 and Charles did have fights like every other couple. 153 00:09:34,449 --> 00:09:37,869 But they had more of a loving, affectionate relationship 154 00:09:37,869 --> 00:09:41,039 and he just was not on my suspect list at all. 155 00:09:41,039 --> 00:09:43,666 And then I told him Jay Rothe was really the only person 156 00:09:43,666 --> 00:09:45,418 that she had had any problems with. 157 00:09:47,670 --> 00:09:49,631 - She said that Linda claimed 158 00:09:49,631 --> 00:09:53,927 that Jay assaulted her in his vehicle which matched 159 00:09:53,927 --> 00:09:57,388 with what we had heard from Charles Willhite. 160 00:09:57,388 --> 00:09:59,557 - She said he gave her a ride somewhere 161 00:09:59,557 --> 00:10:01,392 and then he tried to choke her 162 00:10:01,392 --> 00:10:04,854 and, literally, tried to pull her tonsils out of her mouth. 163 00:10:04,854 --> 00:10:07,232 And he's like biker-type size, 164 00:10:07,232 --> 00:10:10,360 you know, like, big hands, and she's tiny. 165 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,904 And I was like, no, this isn't cool. 166 00:10:12,904 --> 00:10:14,572 This isn't right, you know? 167 00:10:16,324 --> 00:10:20,537 - So the focus really came down to Jay 168 00:10:20,537 --> 00:10:23,706 because he's the last person that is seen with her. 169 00:10:23,706 --> 00:10:29,087 And now I am aware of the violence between he and Linda. 170 00:10:29,087 --> 00:10:31,506 - Time is not on our side. 171 00:10:31,506 --> 00:10:33,049 Once you get to the 48-hour period, 172 00:10:33,049 --> 00:10:37,345 your chances of finding that individual alive is very slim. 173 00:10:37,345 --> 00:10:39,556 [tense music] 174 00:10:52,318 --> 00:10:53,903 [clock ticking] 175 00:10:54,863 --> 00:10:56,322 - [Neal] Thanks again for coming in. 176 00:10:56,322 --> 00:10:58,199 You know, we greatly appreciate your help. 177 00:11:00,577 --> 00:11:02,162 - I had made up my mind 178 00:11:02,162 --> 00:11:05,123 that I was gonna get a lot more pointed with my questions. 179 00:11:05,123 --> 00:11:06,416 Let's cut the chase. 180 00:11:06,416 --> 00:11:09,961 No more games, and I wanna know the truth. 181 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:20,388 [laughing] 182 00:11:20,388 --> 00:11:24,017 - Linda has a daughter and she lives in Japan. 183 00:11:24,017 --> 00:11:26,311 But they would talk on the phone all the time. 184 00:11:26,311 --> 00:11:27,979 "This is how this week went." 185 00:11:27,979 --> 00:11:30,064 "This is kind of what I did today." 186 00:11:30,064 --> 00:11:31,941 And all of a sudden, she's getting phone calls 187 00:11:31,941 --> 00:11:33,526 that her mom's missing, you know. 188 00:11:33,526 --> 00:11:35,028 And it was hard 'cause I told them 189 00:11:35,028 --> 00:11:36,905 I'd watch over her, and I did. 190 00:11:36,905 --> 00:11:38,531 But nobody ever expected this. 191 00:11:39,490 --> 00:11:41,784 [tense music] 192 00:11:43,995 --> 00:11:46,039 - We believe that Linda was abducted 193 00:11:47,498 --> 00:11:48,917 and I had Jay admitting that 194 00:11:48,917 --> 00:11:51,878 he's the last person to have seen Linda alive. 195 00:11:52,879 --> 00:11:55,215 I've got to figure out if there was more to his story 196 00:11:55,215 --> 00:11:56,674 that he was not telling me. 197 00:12:00,470 --> 00:12:02,513 We've talked to so many people 198 00:12:02,513 --> 00:12:04,974 and there's no trace of her 199 00:12:04,974 --> 00:12:09,354 or anything after you leave the house-- 200 00:12:09,354 --> 00:12:10,647 - [Neal] A little after 3:00. 201 00:12:13,316 --> 00:12:15,068 Where do we go from there? 202 00:12:46,975 --> 00:12:49,394 - [Neal] Have you guys ever had any physical violence? 203 00:12:50,395 --> 00:12:51,646 - [Neal] No hitting, pushing, shoving? 204 00:12:51,646 --> 00:12:53,481 - [Neal] Nothing at all like that? 205 00:13:25,555 --> 00:13:26,639 - [Neal] Okay. 206 00:13:28,182 --> 00:13:31,602 I felt like he was really trying to downplay the incident, 207 00:13:31,602 --> 00:13:34,022 but I didn't confront him because I don't wanna 208 00:13:34,022 --> 00:13:37,191 do anything that's gonna get him to stop talking. 209 00:13:38,151 --> 00:13:39,944 I was still holding out hope 210 00:13:39,944 --> 00:13:43,072 that Jay would lead us to where Linda was. 211 00:13:43,072 --> 00:13:44,741 [clock ticking] 212 00:13:44,741 --> 00:13:46,492 Where do you think Linda is right now? 213 00:13:48,995 --> 00:13:50,079 - [Neal] Okay. 214 00:13:51,998 --> 00:13:53,374 - [Neal] You think she could be dead? 215 00:13:53,374 --> 00:13:54,417 You think somebody coulda killed her? 216 00:14:08,389 --> 00:14:09,724 - [Neal] Okay. 217 00:14:09,724 --> 00:14:13,144 Did you have anything to do with her being gone? 218 00:14:15,563 --> 00:14:16,773 - [Neal] Yeah. 219 00:14:16,773 --> 00:14:19,275 With her being missing right now? 220 00:14:43,216 --> 00:14:45,426 - [Neal] So you didn't have anything to do with it then? 221 00:14:50,139 --> 00:14:51,557 - [Neal] I don't know, you tell me. 222 00:14:51,557 --> 00:14:53,267 You tell me, 'cause we're just trying to find her. 223 00:15:00,024 --> 00:15:01,651 - [Neal] You think I'm leaving anything out? 224 00:15:04,403 --> 00:15:07,490 - After my interview, I was suspicious of Jay. 225 00:15:07,490 --> 00:15:09,158 All right, Jay, you ready to get outta here? 226 00:15:09,158 --> 00:15:11,452 But I don't have anything that I can hold him. 227 00:15:11,452 --> 00:15:13,204 So Jay was released in the hopes 228 00:15:13,204 --> 00:15:15,164 that he would continue to speak with me 229 00:15:15,164 --> 00:15:16,749 if something else came up. 230 00:15:16,749 --> 00:15:18,960 [tense music] 231 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,277 Our crime scene processors go through the van 232 00:15:45,444 --> 00:15:49,615 and they showed me a very, very small dark-colored spot 233 00:15:50,992 --> 00:15:52,743 in the back of the van. 234 00:15:52,743 --> 00:15:55,288 He believed that it was blood and he said that 235 00:15:55,288 --> 00:15:58,666 when they swabbed it up, it appeared fresh. 236 00:15:58,666 --> 00:16:02,628 Immediately, I drove to where her parents lived in Arkansas 237 00:16:02,628 --> 00:16:05,047 to obtain DNA samples from them 238 00:16:05,047 --> 00:16:07,592 and brought them over to the crime lab. 239 00:16:07,592 --> 00:16:09,969 It was a couple days later when they confirmed 240 00:16:09,969 --> 00:16:12,096 that it was Linda's blood. 241 00:16:15,266 --> 00:16:17,602 At that point, there was no evidence to show 242 00:16:17,602 --> 00:16:21,355 that Charles Willhite had any involvement whatsoever. 243 00:16:21,355 --> 00:16:25,610 But every little sign that we had was pointing at Jay 244 00:16:27,278 --> 00:16:30,156 and Jay became my point of focus. 245 00:16:31,574 --> 00:16:33,868 [tense music] 246 00:16:37,121 --> 00:16:40,708 I was holding out hope that she was still alive. 247 00:16:40,708 --> 00:16:43,711 I contacted Jay to see if he would respond 248 00:16:43,711 --> 00:16:47,381 for another interview to which he agreed. 249 00:16:47,381 --> 00:16:50,426 Uh, all right, Jay, we're grasping at straws here. 250 00:16:50,426 --> 00:16:52,428 Have you heard anything at all? 251 00:16:53,471 --> 00:16:55,056 - [Neal] Nothing? 252 00:16:55,056 --> 00:16:57,099 - [Neal] You really care for her, don't you? 253 00:16:57,099 --> 00:16:58,226 - [Neal] Sure, yeah. 254 00:17:03,356 --> 00:17:04,522 [imitates laugh] 255 00:17:07,276 --> 00:17:08,402 - [Neal] Well, it almost seems like 256 00:17:08,402 --> 00:17:10,320 you care so much about her that you-- 257 00:17:11,530 --> 00:17:13,366 - Yeah, I can see that. 258 00:17:13,366 --> 00:17:15,159 But Jay, there's some stuff that's come up 259 00:17:15,159 --> 00:17:18,663 in this investigation, okay? 260 00:17:18,663 --> 00:17:20,998 - [Neal] And we need to talk about it. 261 00:17:20,998 --> 00:17:24,377 And you know, like, there she is right there. 262 00:17:24,377 --> 00:17:26,212 - [Neal] Yeah. Well, Jay, 263 00:17:26,378 --> 00:17:31,425 you and I both know you're involved in this. 264 00:17:35,721 --> 00:17:37,848 [tense music] 265 00:17:37,848 --> 00:17:41,852 - [Neal] The evidence clearly shows that you're involved. 266 00:17:42,895 --> 00:17:45,106 Okay? So we need to know what happened. 267 00:17:49,277 --> 00:17:53,072 - [Neal] Jay, we know that you're involved 268 00:17:54,031 --> 00:17:55,449 in Linda's disappearance. 269 00:17:56,826 --> 00:17:58,077 - [Neal] We know that. 270 00:17:58,077 --> 00:18:00,079 Jay, Jay, hear me out. 271 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:02,957 - [Neal] You've gotta do the right thing right now, okay? 272 00:18:04,083 --> 00:18:07,503 - [Neal] Jay, you gotta tell me where she is. 273 00:18:10,339 --> 00:18:12,883 - I really changed my interview tactic 274 00:18:12,883 --> 00:18:15,803 to where I was pointing the finger right at Jay. 275 00:18:15,803 --> 00:18:19,140 And I just moved in as close as I could get, 276 00:18:19,140 --> 00:18:20,808 but he stayed calm. 277 00:18:20,808 --> 00:18:23,603 He didn't raise his voice, he never got defensive. 278 00:18:23,603 --> 00:18:25,563 And I felt it was the right time 279 00:18:25,563 --> 00:18:28,649 to inform him of the blood being in the vehicle. 280 00:18:29,942 --> 00:18:31,068 Jay, 281 00:18:34,614 --> 00:18:37,366 when you brought your van in for us the other day. 282 00:18:38,492 --> 00:18:39,869 - [Neal] When you allowed us 283 00:18:39,869 --> 00:18:43,205 to search your van and process it for evidence. 284 00:18:44,874 --> 00:18:48,294 - [Neal] We found blood in your van. 285 00:18:56,969 --> 00:18:58,804 - [Neal] Whose blood is that, Jay? 286 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,065 - [Neal] Why would it be Linda's blood? 287 00:19:25,289 --> 00:19:27,625 - [Neal] When did she cut her finger in there? 288 00:19:34,882 --> 00:19:37,885 - [Neal] Okay, well, Jay, the blood's fresh. 289 00:19:38,928 --> 00:19:40,346 Look at that. 290 00:19:40,346 --> 00:19:46,268 99.9999999%. 291 00:19:46,268 --> 00:19:48,521 - [Neal] It's Linda's. 292 00:19:48,521 --> 00:19:52,566 Jay, you need to do the right thing right now. 293 00:19:52,566 --> 00:19:54,819 You need to tell us what happened in there 294 00:19:54,819 --> 00:19:56,862 and you need to tell us why it happened. 295 00:20:10,960 --> 00:20:13,254 - [Neal] Jay, we're long past that. 296 00:20:13,254 --> 00:20:14,547 We're long past that. 297 00:20:14,547 --> 00:20:16,841 This is fresh, you can't get around it. 298 00:20:18,134 --> 00:20:22,054 That's Linda's blood in your van. 299 00:20:22,054 --> 00:20:24,056 The frustration is definitely there 300 00:20:24,056 --> 00:20:26,684 because it's one denial after the next. 301 00:20:26,684 --> 00:20:28,561 He's not budging. 302 00:20:28,561 --> 00:20:31,021 I started to wonder, is he ever gonna give it up? 303 00:20:31,021 --> 00:20:33,399 And it was scary to think that he may not. 304 00:20:34,442 --> 00:20:36,277 [clock ticking] 305 00:20:38,154 --> 00:20:39,447 Did you kill Linda? 306 00:20:41,866 --> 00:20:44,410 - [Neal] You did kill Linda because if Linda was alive, 307 00:20:44,410 --> 00:20:46,412 you could take us to her right now. 308 00:20:58,674 --> 00:21:00,926 - [Neal] How else would you explain it, Jay? 309 00:21:06,515 --> 00:21:08,726 - [Neal] Why wouldn't you think she's dead? 310 00:21:26,202 --> 00:21:28,412 [tense music] 311 00:21:37,588 --> 00:21:39,840 - Jay, we know that's not gonna happen. 312 00:21:41,425 --> 00:21:43,177 I felt like I was in a boxing match 313 00:21:43,177 --> 00:21:45,763 and if I got one good blow on him, 314 00:21:45,763 --> 00:21:48,933 then he was hitting me back with multiple. 315 00:21:48,933 --> 00:21:51,227 I was not able to get him to budge. 316 00:21:53,270 --> 00:21:56,690 Jay, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure things out 317 00:21:56,690 --> 00:21:59,151 because I guarantee you, I'm no rocket scientist. 318 00:22:00,069 --> 00:22:01,362 - [Neal] I know. 319 00:22:01,362 --> 00:22:05,157 Either you're the most unlucky guy 320 00:22:05,157 --> 00:22:07,201 on the face of the Earth, 321 00:22:07,201 --> 00:22:12,122 or you're obviously the person that did it. 322 00:22:13,541 --> 00:22:16,585 Because guess where every arrow is pointing. 323 00:22:20,047 --> 00:22:22,883 - [Neal] Of course, every arrow. 324 00:22:22,883 --> 00:22:26,136 How do you think you'd do on a polygraph test? 325 00:22:31,642 --> 00:22:33,894 - [Neal] Okay, 'cause you're telling me, 326 00:22:33,894 --> 00:22:35,437 are you telling me the truth? 327 00:22:37,022 --> 00:22:41,110 - [Neal] Okay, so we do a quick polygraph 328 00:22:41,110 --> 00:22:43,696 and that'll, I mean, that'd really go well for you. 329 00:22:43,696 --> 00:22:44,989 That could help eliminate you. 330 00:22:44,989 --> 00:22:47,491 So I'm guessing you'd probably wanna do that 331 00:22:47,491 --> 00:22:51,412 to help eliminate you from some of this? 332 00:22:53,831 --> 00:22:55,708 - Okay, let me go and I'll make arrangements. 333 00:22:55,708 --> 00:22:58,127 Do you you need some more water or anything right now? 334 00:22:58,127 --> 00:23:01,255 - [Neal] Okay. All right, I'll be right back. 335 00:23:01,255 --> 00:23:04,717 I was excited because I believed he was going to fail it. 336 00:23:04,717 --> 00:23:06,510 Polygraphs cannot be used in court 337 00:23:06,510 --> 00:23:09,054 so we couldn't use that against him. 338 00:23:09,054 --> 00:23:10,472 But that would give me something 339 00:23:10,472 --> 00:23:12,558 that I could really go at Jay with 340 00:23:12,558 --> 00:23:15,352 and attack him with the polygraph failure. 341 00:23:17,521 --> 00:23:20,608 - [Bob] Let's see, this chair right there for me, Jay. 342 00:23:23,611 --> 00:23:25,237 I'm gonna set this over here, 343 00:23:25,237 --> 00:23:28,866 'cause I'm bound to knock it off on my floor if I don't, okay? 344 00:23:31,410 --> 00:23:33,162 - [Bob] Been talking to Detective McAmis today 345 00:23:33,162 --> 00:23:34,955 and everything in reference to Linda, I guess. 346 00:23:36,123 --> 00:23:38,250 - [Bob] So I'm ready to start the polygraph exam. 347 00:23:38,250 --> 00:23:40,336 It's up to you on whether or not you wanna take it. 348 00:23:40,336 --> 00:23:42,463 Would you like to take the polygraph exam? 349 00:23:52,806 --> 00:23:55,726 - [Bob] Well, the only thing you're gonna say to me 350 00:23:55,726 --> 00:23:56,977 is yes or no. 351 00:23:56,977 --> 00:23:58,771 And I'll be honest and straightforward. 352 00:23:58,771 --> 00:24:00,147 I'm gonna ask you questions 353 00:24:00,147 --> 00:24:02,650 specific to Linda's disappearance 354 00:24:02,650 --> 00:24:05,527 and whether or not you had any direct involvement in that 355 00:24:05,527 --> 00:24:07,404 or have knowledge that you're withholding 356 00:24:07,404 --> 00:24:09,949 from Detective McAmis, okay? 357 00:24:09,949 --> 00:24:12,159 - [Bob] I can't make a decision for you 358 00:24:12,159 --> 00:24:14,286 as to whether or not you wanna take the exam. 359 00:24:18,290 --> 00:24:19,500 - [Bob] That's your choice. 360 00:24:19,500 --> 00:24:21,502 I can't make that decision for you. 361 00:24:21,502 --> 00:24:24,296 - [Bob] So are you wanting that? 362 00:24:28,175 --> 00:24:29,802 - The police asked me my top three suspects 363 00:24:29,802 --> 00:24:33,722 that I would think and I said Jay, Jay, and Jay. 364 00:24:33,722 --> 00:24:35,516 I didn't really like him. 365 00:24:35,516 --> 00:24:37,726 He would get jealous of her friends. 366 00:24:37,726 --> 00:24:39,728 It didn't matter if you were male, female or what. 367 00:24:39,728 --> 00:24:41,689 But Linda, she just tried to help 368 00:24:41,689 --> 00:24:43,857 and made everybody feel comfortable. 369 00:24:43,857 --> 00:24:45,275 Anytime there was a mood 370 00:24:45,275 --> 00:24:47,277 that felt like the slightest bit heavy, 371 00:24:47,277 --> 00:24:48,862 she was gonna make you laugh. 372 00:24:50,197 --> 00:24:52,408 [tense music] 373 00:25:03,043 --> 00:25:04,837 [clock ticking] 374 00:25:04,837 --> 00:25:06,922 - [Bob] You just need to let me know, yes or no, 375 00:25:06,922 --> 00:25:08,924 whether or not you wanna take the exam. 376 00:25:13,053 --> 00:25:15,347 - [Bob] Okay, okay. 377 00:25:16,598 --> 00:25:18,684 - [Bob] Do you wanna think about it for a few minutes 378 00:25:18,684 --> 00:25:20,144 and then I'll come back in and then, 379 00:25:20,144 --> 00:25:21,770 you can let me know what you decide, okay? 380 00:25:21,770 --> 00:25:23,897 - [Bob] So I'll give you a few minutes to think about it 381 00:25:23,897 --> 00:25:26,400 and I'll be right back and check with you, okay? 382 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:27,401 - [Bob] Yep. 383 00:25:28,652 --> 00:25:31,947 It was obvious that Jay was very, very nervous. 384 00:25:31,947 --> 00:25:35,034 But it was definitely a red flag for me to use some caution 385 00:25:36,243 --> 00:25:38,162 because I don't wanna push him to the point 386 00:25:38,162 --> 00:25:41,331 that he decides that he's not gonna cooperate further. 387 00:25:41,331 --> 00:25:43,709 So I spoke with Detective McAmis. 388 00:25:43,709 --> 00:25:45,544 - Jay had made multiple statements to me 389 00:25:45,544 --> 00:25:47,838 that he would do whatever it would take 390 00:25:47,838 --> 00:25:51,300 to find Linda and to try to help her out. 391 00:25:51,300 --> 00:25:53,552 So I decided I was gonna bring that up 392 00:25:53,552 --> 00:25:55,804 to see what Jay would have to say about that. 393 00:25:57,014 --> 00:25:58,432 Jay, how you doing? 394 00:25:59,600 --> 00:26:01,602 - [Neal] He said you're thinking about 395 00:26:01,602 --> 00:26:02,936 not doing this right now. 396 00:26:06,482 --> 00:26:08,025 - Jay, you've been completely cooperative 397 00:26:08,025 --> 00:26:09,693 throughout this whole ordeal 398 00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:11,528 and you know, you and I, 399 00:26:11,528 --> 00:26:13,447 we've gotten along pretty darn well I think. 400 00:26:13,447 --> 00:26:15,365 - But I'm not gonna lie to you. 401 00:26:15,365 --> 00:26:17,159 If you decide you're not gonna do it, 402 00:26:17,159 --> 00:26:19,036 alarm bells are gonna be going off like crazy 403 00:26:19,036 --> 00:26:21,663 because this is your shot to help eliminate yourself. 404 00:26:22,748 --> 00:26:25,084 - You've told me the whole time that, "I just wanna help Linda, 405 00:26:25,084 --> 00:26:27,002 I wanna find Linda, hope she's okay." 406 00:26:27,002 --> 00:26:29,421 - "I wanna help you guys out, I wanna cooperate with you," 407 00:26:29,421 --> 00:26:32,633 and this is your opportunity to help verify. 408 00:26:32,633 --> 00:26:34,635 You're telling me, you're telling the truth, right? 409 00:26:35,636 --> 00:26:37,387 - [Neal] You say you're telling the truth. 410 00:26:37,387 --> 00:26:39,723 - [Bob] But until we can clear your name, we don't know. 411 00:26:39,723 --> 00:26:41,308 There's always that doubt for us. 412 00:26:42,267 --> 00:26:43,644 - [Bob] Well, just unfortunately, I mean, 413 00:26:43,644 --> 00:26:44,728 that's the way it is. 414 00:26:48,982 --> 00:26:50,943 - [Bob] It's not the computer, it's your body. 415 00:26:50,943 --> 00:26:52,778 All it does is record your body. 416 00:26:52,778 --> 00:26:53,862 It has nothing to do with, 417 00:26:53,862 --> 00:26:55,239 the computer doesn't do any thinking. 418 00:26:55,239 --> 00:26:57,032 It's just a recording device. 419 00:27:00,577 --> 00:27:05,082 - It was absolutely critical to keep Jay on board 420 00:27:05,082 --> 00:27:06,458 and talking with me 421 00:27:06,458 --> 00:27:10,170 because we still have no idea whatsoever 422 00:27:10,170 --> 00:27:13,132 what happened to Linda or where she is. 423 00:27:17,094 --> 00:27:18,762 Jay? 424 00:27:18,762 --> 00:27:19,972 - [Neal] I like you, Jay. 425 00:27:19,972 --> 00:27:21,473 Shoot, you know, we could talk fishing 426 00:27:21,473 --> 00:27:23,725 and animals probably all day with each other. 427 00:27:23,725 --> 00:27:25,018 Okay? 428 00:27:25,018 --> 00:27:27,437 - [Neal] But right now is the time 429 00:27:27,437 --> 00:27:30,399 where you need to help eliminate yourself. 430 00:27:30,399 --> 00:27:34,111 There's absolutely zero reason for you not to do it 431 00:27:34,111 --> 00:27:35,279 and that's how it is. 432 00:27:41,493 --> 00:27:42,870 - So let's do it, Jay. 433 00:27:42,870 --> 00:27:44,788 I'll get Detective Byrne back in here. 434 00:27:44,788 --> 00:27:46,206 It won't be long. 435 00:27:46,206 --> 00:27:48,667 Get it over with and then we'll move on from there. 436 00:27:49,793 --> 00:27:51,795 - Finally when he was out of excuses, 437 00:27:51,795 --> 00:27:54,131 fortunately, he agreed to take the polygraph. 438 00:27:54,131 --> 00:27:56,383 [tense music] 439 00:27:59,636 --> 00:28:02,014 - [Bob] Okay, Jay, the questions are about to begin. 440 00:28:03,390 --> 00:28:05,350 Are you 65 years old? 441 00:28:07,728 --> 00:28:09,104 - [Bob] Are you physically responsible 442 00:28:09,104 --> 00:28:10,522 for Linda Riley's disappearance 443 00:28:10,522 --> 00:28:13,817 from her residence on February 27, 2012? 444 00:28:16,194 --> 00:28:17,571 - [Bob] Did you physically cause 445 00:28:17,571 --> 00:28:21,658 the death of Linda Riley on February 27, 2012? 446 00:28:24,244 --> 00:28:25,996 - [Bob] Did you physically remove Linda Riley 447 00:28:25,996 --> 00:28:29,249 from her residence on February 27, 2012? 448 00:28:31,418 --> 00:28:33,754 - [Bob] Okay, that was the final question. 449 00:28:33,754 --> 00:28:34,922 We're done at this point, Jay. 450 00:28:34,922 --> 00:28:36,840 I just need to go over the charts, okay? 451 00:28:38,800 --> 00:28:41,011 [tense music] 452 00:28:47,267 --> 00:28:49,561 - Unfortunately, there was nothing else 453 00:28:49,561 --> 00:28:50,938 in the rest of the home 454 00:28:50,938 --> 00:28:53,190 that the investigators could find that would help 455 00:28:53,190 --> 00:28:56,360 in terms of where do we need to look next for Linda. 456 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,111 So it really came down to, 457 00:28:58,111 --> 00:29:01,198 I am gonna have to get a confession from Jay. 458 00:29:01,198 --> 00:29:03,241 [police radio chatter] 459 00:29:04,534 --> 00:29:06,703 At that point, Detective Byrne informed me 460 00:29:06,703 --> 00:29:09,247 that there was no question of the results 461 00:29:09,247 --> 00:29:10,832 that Jay did fail it. 462 00:29:10,832 --> 00:29:13,543 I knew he was not being truthful in his statements. 463 00:29:13,543 --> 00:29:16,922 So let's get some closure for Linda's family. 464 00:29:16,922 --> 00:29:18,840 [clock ticking] 465 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,550 Well, we got the results back, Jay, 466 00:29:20,550 --> 00:29:22,636 and it's kind of what we both knew. 467 00:29:22,636 --> 00:29:24,304 You failed it pretty bad. 468 00:29:24,304 --> 00:29:26,515 [tense music] 469 00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:29,017 Let's just cut to the chase. 470 00:29:29,017 --> 00:29:30,394 Were you defending yourself, 471 00:29:30,394 --> 00:29:32,521 was it an accident, or was it intentional? 472 00:29:34,648 --> 00:29:36,566 - [Neal] Jay, we're past it. 473 00:29:39,277 --> 00:29:40,696 - That's not it, Jay. 474 00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:44,992 - Jay, that's not it. 475 00:29:47,035 --> 00:29:48,578 Jay, you need to tell us what happened 476 00:29:48,578 --> 00:29:49,913 and get this over with. 477 00:29:49,913 --> 00:29:52,124 He continued with his denials 478 00:29:52,124 --> 00:29:54,710 and it was at that time when I decided 479 00:29:54,710 --> 00:29:57,587 I was just gonna totally switch tactics. 480 00:29:57,587 --> 00:30:00,048 I knew that he lived with his son, Jason. 481 00:30:00,048 --> 00:30:02,259 And so I wanted to talk about him, 482 00:30:02,259 --> 00:30:05,053 just to see if I could get him to budge. 483 00:30:05,053 --> 00:30:07,055 Jay, you gotta do the right thing, 484 00:30:07,055 --> 00:30:08,724 you know mainly for yourself, of course, 485 00:30:08,724 --> 00:30:09,808 but your boy. 486 00:30:10,851 --> 00:30:12,269 - [Neal] Poor, old Jason. 487 00:30:12,269 --> 00:30:13,562 - [Neal] He's really upset about the situation 488 00:30:13,562 --> 00:30:15,188 'cause he realizes what's going on 489 00:30:15,188 --> 00:30:16,857 and he knows what you did. 490 00:30:16,857 --> 00:30:19,109 And you don't need to be putting 491 00:30:19,109 --> 00:30:21,153 this kind of grief on him as well, 492 00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:23,530 'cause I think, you know, 493 00:30:23,530 --> 00:30:25,657 he probably deserves some answers as well. 494 00:30:26,658 --> 00:30:28,285 - [Neal] Sure, he does. 495 00:30:28,285 --> 00:30:30,579 We had been in the interview room with Jay 496 00:30:30,579 --> 00:30:32,456 for about 10 hours 497 00:30:32,456 --> 00:30:37,169 and the Jason angle was the first real sign 498 00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:40,547 that there was some effect on Jay. 499 00:30:40,547 --> 00:30:42,591 He just really seemed moved 500 00:30:42,591 --> 00:30:47,304 and I felt that there was almost this sense of defeat. 501 00:30:47,304 --> 00:30:49,848 And so I just wanted to pounce and push it 502 00:30:49,848 --> 00:30:51,683 'cause I felt like, finally, 503 00:30:51,683 --> 00:30:55,103 there's the potential that Jay is getting ready to break. 504 00:30:56,438 --> 00:30:57,856 You just can't leave him hanging like this 505 00:30:57,856 --> 00:30:59,191 because there's gonna be questions. 506 00:30:59,191 --> 00:31:03,236 'Cause he wants to know, "What made my dad do this? 507 00:31:03,236 --> 00:31:06,114 Because that's not like my dad to do something like this." 508 00:31:06,114 --> 00:31:08,617 And this is your chance right here. 509 00:31:08,617 --> 00:31:10,452 But I can at least take something to him 510 00:31:10,452 --> 00:31:12,621 and go to him and say it was a freak deal 511 00:31:12,621 --> 00:31:14,456 'cause it wasn't supposed to happen, was it? 512 00:31:14,581 --> 00:31:16,041 - [Neal] No, it wasn't. 513 00:31:16,041 --> 00:31:18,043 It was just a freak occurrence. 514 00:31:18,043 --> 00:31:19,544 I know that's what it was. 515 00:31:24,007 --> 00:31:26,176 [tense music] 516 00:31:31,431 --> 00:31:33,600 - [Neal] It just was a freak thing, wasn't it? 517 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,310 [clock ticking] 518 00:31:38,271 --> 00:31:40,065 - [Neal] Well, tell me, tell me about it. 519 00:31:40,065 --> 00:31:42,818 I know it's just, I know that's not you. 520 00:31:42,818 --> 00:31:45,320 So tell me how it all went down. 521 00:31:48,990 --> 00:31:50,492 [Jay sighs] 522 00:32:24,151 --> 00:32:25,569 - [Neal] So everything was going okay 523 00:32:25,569 --> 00:32:27,320 and then started talking about 524 00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,322 all the guys that she had coming over. 525 00:33:08,028 --> 00:33:10,155 - [Neal] What'd she bang her head on? 526 00:33:20,874 --> 00:33:22,876 - [Neal] And how bad was she hurt? 527 00:33:27,881 --> 00:33:29,007 - [Neal] Knocked out? 528 00:33:33,470 --> 00:33:34,888 - [Neal] You laid her in the van? 529 00:33:34,888 --> 00:33:37,432 - [Neal] You had to carry her out? 530 00:33:37,432 --> 00:33:38,516 - [Neal] Okay. 531 00:33:40,227 --> 00:33:43,104 You carried her out, about what time was that? 532 00:33:47,067 --> 00:33:48,693 - [Neal] Little after three? 533 00:33:48,693 --> 00:33:51,112 - [Neal] Okay, so you carried her out to the van 534 00:33:51,112 --> 00:33:52,739 and then, then what'd you do? 535 00:34:00,288 --> 00:34:01,790 - [Neal] She woke up? 536 00:34:40,370 --> 00:34:42,539 - [Neal] What'd she hit her head on? 537 00:34:57,094 --> 00:34:58,513 - [Neal] Did you call 538 00:34:58,513 --> 00:35:00,181 or think about taking her to the hospital 539 00:35:00,181 --> 00:35:01,850 or anything to see if she was okay, 540 00:35:01,850 --> 00:35:04,311 or did you pretty much know if she was dead? 541 00:35:06,813 --> 00:35:08,523 - [Neal] She was gone? 542 00:35:08,523 --> 00:35:09,983 I understand. 543 00:35:09,983 --> 00:35:12,819 How were you able to clean the blood up at your house? 544 00:35:19,993 --> 00:35:21,911 - [Neal] How much blood was there? 545 00:35:47,312 --> 00:35:48,396 - [Neal] Mm-hmm. 546 00:35:50,940 --> 00:35:53,401 I believed that Jay was giving me 547 00:35:53,401 --> 00:35:55,403 some truth as to what occurred, 548 00:35:55,403 --> 00:36:00,158 but there's no type of blood evidence at Jay's residence 549 00:36:00,158 --> 00:36:03,286 that says Linda fell back and hit her head. 550 00:36:03,286 --> 00:36:05,914 And with such, the small amount of blood 551 00:36:05,914 --> 00:36:08,541 that was in the back of Jay's van, 552 00:36:08,541 --> 00:36:10,585 most of us believed that it was probable 553 00:36:10,585 --> 00:36:12,045 that Linda had been strangled. 554 00:36:13,046 --> 00:36:15,423 But I had to go along with him at that point 555 00:36:15,423 --> 00:36:17,842 because even with the confession in this case, 556 00:36:17,842 --> 00:36:20,428 prosecution still could be extremely difficult 557 00:36:20,428 --> 00:36:22,055 with a no body case. 558 00:36:23,348 --> 00:36:25,850 So I needed Jay to take us to Linda. 559 00:36:25,850 --> 00:36:27,519 [clock ticking] 560 00:36:38,238 --> 00:36:39,781 - [Neal] I understand. 561 00:36:39,781 --> 00:36:42,200 Did Jason know that you brought her 562 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:43,451 to the house that night? 563 00:36:44,619 --> 00:36:47,455 - [Neal] How was she quiet enough for him not to know? 564 00:36:54,170 --> 00:36:56,089 - [Neal] Where'd you take her, Jay? 565 00:36:57,799 --> 00:37:00,552 - [Neal] How did you transport her up to the lake? 566 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:05,140 - [Neal] Okay. 567 00:37:11,354 --> 00:37:12,480 - [Neal] You buried her? 568 00:37:18,236 --> 00:37:20,363 [tense music] 569 00:37:22,282 --> 00:37:23,450 - [Neal] You buried her? 570 00:37:35,837 --> 00:37:37,756 - [Neal] How did you burn her, Jay? 571 00:37:43,386 --> 00:37:45,555 - [Neal] Did you wrap her in anything? 572 00:37:49,142 --> 00:37:50,977 - [Neal] Where's the tarp at right now? 573 00:37:52,437 --> 00:37:53,897 - [Neal] You burned the tarp as well? 574 00:37:54,898 --> 00:37:56,691 - [Neal] Did you fish while you were burning her 575 00:37:56,691 --> 00:37:59,235 or how did that happen? 576 00:38:01,946 --> 00:38:04,157 - [Neal] And you just kinda had your little fire going, 577 00:38:04,157 --> 00:38:05,533 and you're fishing, and... 578 00:38:12,999 --> 00:38:14,709 - [Neal] Is she still out there? 579 00:38:19,672 --> 00:38:21,758 - [Neal] Are her bones still out there? 580 00:38:26,888 --> 00:38:28,139 - I was very surprised 581 00:38:28,139 --> 00:38:29,682 even with everything that had gone on, 582 00:38:29,682 --> 00:38:33,144 I wasn't expecting him to say that he had burned her. 583 00:38:33,144 --> 00:38:36,689 I didn't know what to expect in terms of the remains 584 00:38:36,689 --> 00:38:38,483 or what we were going to find. 585 00:38:38,483 --> 00:38:41,778 But I knew getting him to take us to her body 586 00:38:41,778 --> 00:38:45,657 was the next phase of what needed to be done in the case. 587 00:38:45,657 --> 00:38:47,075 [clock ticking] 588 00:38:47,075 --> 00:38:49,828 What would you think about taking us out there 589 00:38:49,828 --> 00:38:52,455 and showing us exactly where it is? 590 00:38:52,455 --> 00:38:53,832 That way, maybe we can... 591 00:38:55,124 --> 00:38:56,292 - [Neal] I figured you would. 592 00:38:56,292 --> 00:38:57,919 - [Neal] I think you're ready. 593 00:38:58,878 --> 00:39:01,089 [tense music] 594 00:39:02,841 --> 00:39:05,593 He jumped in the car with my partner and I. 595 00:39:05,593 --> 00:39:07,428 He took us to Stockton Lake 596 00:39:08,429 --> 00:39:10,807 which is just an hour north of Springfield. 597 00:39:18,147 --> 00:39:20,608 - Jay took us to the burn site which was, 598 00:39:20,608 --> 00:39:23,152 in fact, the last place that he told us about 599 00:39:23,152 --> 00:39:27,031 where he went fishing the day that Linda went missing. 600 00:39:50,722 --> 00:39:53,016 - We're looking in there and upon the naked eye, 601 00:39:53,016 --> 00:39:56,728 there's ash there and minute amounts of bone fragment 602 00:39:56,728 --> 00:39:58,771 that were burned beyond recognition. 603 00:40:37,936 --> 00:40:40,188 In searching for Linda's remains, 604 00:40:40,188 --> 00:40:43,691 it was really quite shocking to see how little was left. 605 00:40:45,318 --> 00:40:48,571 - I've worked a lot of cases and I've had a few burnings, 606 00:40:48,571 --> 00:40:51,699 but I've never had one burnt to this magnitude 607 00:40:51,699 --> 00:40:56,412 that we were only able to find small fractions of bones. 608 00:40:56,412 --> 00:41:00,124 - But fortunately, I was able to send it off for testing 609 00:41:00,124 --> 00:41:03,419 and the DNA testing from the bones that were recovered 610 00:41:03,419 --> 00:41:06,798 did in fact confirm that it was the remains of Linda. 611 00:41:06,798 --> 00:41:09,467 [tense music] 612 00:41:09,467 --> 00:41:11,594 - He took her out that door 613 00:41:11,594 --> 00:41:14,347 and put her in a van right here. 614 00:41:14,347 --> 00:41:15,682 My bedroom window is right there. 615 00:41:15,682 --> 00:41:18,434 He was less than 12 feet that he took her out 616 00:41:18,434 --> 00:41:20,770 and put her in a van and drove away. 617 00:41:20,770 --> 00:41:25,400 There were a lot of tears. Just like, why? 618 00:41:27,276 --> 00:41:30,738 Jay, he said you loved her so much, but you murdered her 619 00:41:30,738 --> 00:41:33,908 and then stood there beside her while she burned and fished. 620 00:41:34,909 --> 00:41:38,287 It was horrific. It was absolutely horrific. 621 00:41:40,289 --> 00:41:42,583 [tense music] 622 00:41:56,973 --> 00:41:59,350 - I did feel good about the life sentence. 623 00:41:59,350 --> 00:42:01,811 I knew that he would never leave jail alive 624 00:42:01,811 --> 00:42:04,605 and it really meant a lot that we were able 625 00:42:04,605 --> 00:42:08,651 to return Linda to the family and give her a burial. 626 00:42:10,319 --> 00:42:11,988 - I don't understand where it came from or why. 627 00:42:11,988 --> 00:42:14,240 She wasn't a bad person that deserved that. 628 00:42:14,240 --> 00:42:16,159 She's a little person with a big heart. 629 00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:19,037 Her heart was about five times the size that she was. 630 00:42:19,037 --> 00:42:22,040 She had children that she loved very much. 631 00:42:22,999 --> 00:42:25,209 [somber music] 632 00:42:25,209 --> 00:42:28,171 I just feel like everybody needs to know 633 00:42:28,171 --> 00:42:29,922 what a good person she was. 634 00:42:31,674 --> 00:42:33,384 I'd like to think that she'd be here 635 00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:35,928 and spending time with her kids and the dogs. 636 00:42:35,928 --> 00:42:38,848 So she'd probably be shopping at the thrift stores 637 00:42:38,848 --> 00:42:40,641 and trying on hats. 638 00:42:40,641 --> 00:42:43,311 She's this big, you know, but that hat could be this big 639 00:42:43,311 --> 00:42:44,771 and she's gonna try it on 640 00:42:44,771 --> 00:42:47,231 and you're gonna have some laughs, you know? 641 00:42:47,231 --> 00:42:48,858 Hopefully, she'd know that her family loves her. 642 00:42:48,858 --> 00:42:54,781 I loved her and we miss you every day. 643 00:42:54,781 --> 00:42:56,282 - [Linda] I love you.