1 00:00:01,917 --> 00:00:04,208 [tense music] 2 00:00:38,958 --> 00:00:41,250 [tense music] 3 00:00:42,792 --> 00:00:45,417 [sirens blaring] 4 00:00:46,417 --> 00:00:48,125 - [Officer] Get the tape out of the trunk (indistinct). 5 00:00:53,667 --> 00:00:55,083 - [Officer] They got cameras that come in 6 00:00:55,083 --> 00:00:56,167 and out of this place? 7 00:00:56,167 --> 00:00:57,583 - Yeah, they're checking on it right now. 8 00:00:57,583 --> 00:00:59,208 - [Officer] Okay, I got a hold of a homicide detective. 9 00:00:59,208 --> 00:01:01,083 He's waiting on the official call. 10 00:01:01,083 --> 00:01:02,042 He was on our dead body. 11 00:01:02,042 --> 00:01:03,208 He knows about it. 12 00:01:03,208 --> 00:01:05,083 - Okay. You can call him back if-- 13 00:01:05,083 --> 00:01:06,792 - Yeah, he knows, we already told. 14 00:01:06,792 --> 00:01:10,750 - I need you and your partner, if you will for me, 15 00:01:10,750 --> 00:01:12,250 one up here. 16 00:01:12,250 --> 00:01:13,792 So we want to cover that side, 17 00:01:13,792 --> 00:01:15,000 keep people from flowing through. 18 00:01:15,000 --> 00:01:16,375 - [Officer] Okay, just back over here? 19 00:01:16,375 --> 00:01:18,125 - Yeah, do you want me to take her or do you need-- 20 00:01:18,125 --> 00:01:19,167 - [Officer] Let me go. 21 00:01:23,167 --> 00:01:24,833 - I received a phone call that there was a female 22 00:01:24,833 --> 00:01:26,583 that had been shot and killed in a parking garage 23 00:01:26,583 --> 00:01:28,917 in the part of Dallas called Uptown. 24 00:01:28,917 --> 00:01:30,833 It's a very affluent area. 25 00:01:30,833 --> 00:01:32,208 During my tenure in homicide, 26 00:01:32,208 --> 00:01:34,583 this is the only case that I've ever had in Uptown. 27 00:01:49,042 --> 00:01:50,208 - [Officer] Watch where you step. 28 00:01:50,208 --> 00:01:51,875 Stay back over there for me, okay? 29 00:01:51,875 --> 00:01:56,625 - She was found with the door to her vehicle was open and 30 00:01:56,625 --> 00:01:58,833 it was pretty clear she had been shot in the head. 31 00:01:58,833 --> 00:02:01,167 [dramatic music] 32 00:02:02,667 --> 00:02:06,333 - Next to her body was her cell phone 33 00:02:06,333 --> 00:02:08,625 and also a magazine from a handgun. 34 00:02:10,417 --> 00:02:12,125 The magazine laying next to the body 35 00:02:12,125 --> 00:02:14,125 is not something that we typically see, 36 00:02:14,125 --> 00:02:16,417 and so I believe that there was either a struggle, 37 00:02:16,417 --> 00:02:19,625 or there was something that caused the shooter 38 00:02:19,625 --> 00:02:22,125 to leave a little faster than what he wanted to leave, 39 00:02:22,125 --> 00:02:24,083 which caused him to drop the magazine. 40 00:02:27,125 --> 00:02:28,833 The first thing that stood out to me 41 00:02:28,833 --> 00:02:32,167 was that there was no purse inside the vehicle. 42 00:02:32,167 --> 00:02:34,417 - At the outset of looking into it, 43 00:02:34,417 --> 00:02:37,417 it did appear to be a robbery, but again, 44 00:02:37,417 --> 00:02:39,750 that was what made it so unusual, 45 00:02:39,750 --> 00:02:42,292 'cause those types of things just have not taken place 46 00:02:42,292 --> 00:02:43,500 in that part of town. 47 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:46,542 - We ran up the victim's license plate 48 00:02:46,542 --> 00:02:49,375 and the vehicle came back registered to Kendra Hatcher, 49 00:02:49,375 --> 00:02:52,208 a pediatric dentist in the Dallas area. 50 00:02:52,208 --> 00:02:54,542 [tense music] 51 00:03:02,958 --> 00:03:06,250 There was one camera that captured all the cars 52 00:03:06,250 --> 00:03:08,833 as they came into the parking garage and as they left. 53 00:03:11,958 --> 00:03:13,250 Reviewing the footage, 54 00:03:13,250 --> 00:03:15,292 I saw the victim pull into the parking garage. 55 00:03:18,625 --> 00:03:20,583 I don't think her car even made it 56 00:03:20,583 --> 00:03:23,625 into the parking space yet before I see a dark figure 57 00:03:23,625 --> 00:03:26,375 walking over to her vehicle immediately, 58 00:03:26,375 --> 00:03:28,375 it was dead on that that was exactly 59 00:03:28,375 --> 00:03:30,750 what he was looking for. 60 00:03:30,750 --> 00:03:32,833 [suspenseful music] 61 00:03:36,042 --> 00:03:37,583 There was a short timeframe 62 00:03:37,583 --> 00:03:40,250 between when the victim parked her car 63 00:03:40,250 --> 00:03:42,333 until the time that she was murdered, 64 00:03:43,583 --> 00:03:46,333 so I knew that she was an intended target of the shooting. 65 00:03:47,833 --> 00:03:52,083 Examining the suspect vehicle, was an older model Jeep. 66 00:03:52,083 --> 00:03:53,833 There was paint flaking off of it 67 00:03:53,833 --> 00:03:57,125 and it's not the typical car that you see in Uptown. 68 00:03:57,125 --> 00:03:59,500 We weren't able to see a license plate, 69 00:03:59,500 --> 00:04:01,042 but we took a still photo. 70 00:04:01,042 --> 00:04:02,958 We examined it, zoomed in, 71 00:04:02,958 --> 00:04:05,375 and we were able to determine that it was a female driver 72 00:04:05,375 --> 00:04:06,542 and she had brown hair, 73 00:04:06,542 --> 00:04:09,250 and I knew that the shooter 74 00:04:09,250 --> 00:04:11,208 got out of the passenger side of the vehicle. 75 00:04:11,208 --> 00:04:13,750 So there was at least two people in the vehicle. 76 00:04:13,750 --> 00:04:15,875 - We knew we needed to 77 00:04:15,875 --> 00:04:17,333 find the owner of that Jeep 78 00:04:17,333 --> 00:04:19,000 and we felt that the public could help us with that. 79 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:22,625 - So we pushed out a still photo on the evening news. 80 00:04:22,625 --> 00:04:25,042 If someone recognizes this Jeep, 81 00:04:25,042 --> 00:04:27,500 we wanted to give them the opportunity to give us a call. 82 00:04:27,500 --> 00:04:28,792 We're in a race against time, 83 00:04:28,792 --> 00:04:31,875 so I wanted to track down any evidence possible 84 00:04:31,875 --> 00:04:34,208 that we could use to put this murder together 85 00:04:34,208 --> 00:04:36,625 and figure out what the murder was about. 86 00:04:39,542 --> 00:04:42,875 - I got a message from one of Kendra's friends. 87 00:04:42,875 --> 00:04:47,375 All of a sudden, in one telephone call, boom, 88 00:04:47,375 --> 00:04:48,833 your world's upside down. 89 00:04:50,042 --> 00:04:51,250 Yep. 90 00:04:53,208 --> 00:04:57,833 I would describe Kendra as ambitious. 91 00:04:57,833 --> 00:05:00,333 Anything that she was passionate about, 92 00:05:00,333 --> 00:05:02,375 she did at 100%. 93 00:05:02,375 --> 00:05:04,375 She went to dental school, 94 00:05:04,375 --> 00:05:06,875 but she always had that passion for Spanish too. 95 00:05:06,875 --> 00:05:08,208 For the church, 96 00:05:08,208 --> 00:05:10,958 she would volunteer her dentistry time 97 00:05:10,958 --> 00:05:14,667 for all the kids down in Ecuador. 98 00:05:14,667 --> 00:05:19,375 After everything went down, I was very confused, 99 00:05:19,375 --> 00:05:21,583 because Kendra was loved by everybody. 100 00:05:21,583 --> 00:05:23,333 Nobody wanted to hurt her. 101 00:05:25,042 --> 00:05:27,667 So it was just very odd. 102 00:05:29,375 --> 00:05:31,667 [tense music] 103 00:05:33,875 --> 00:05:37,208 - The staff at the apartment complex notified me 104 00:05:37,208 --> 00:05:39,708 that Kendra Hatcher, she'd been living 105 00:05:39,708 --> 00:05:42,292 at that apartment building for several months. 106 00:05:42,292 --> 00:05:44,667 She never had any issues at the building 107 00:05:44,667 --> 00:05:47,375 and she pretty much lived a very quiet life 108 00:05:47,375 --> 00:05:49,333 up until this incident. 109 00:05:49,333 --> 00:05:51,833 We learned Kendra had a significant other, 110 00:05:51,833 --> 00:05:54,875 so I made my way inside the apartment complex office 111 00:05:54,875 --> 00:05:58,875 and I spoke with an individual named Ricardo Paniagua. 112 00:05:58,875 --> 00:06:02,042 - We found out Dr. Paniagua and Kendra had been dating 113 00:06:02,042 --> 00:06:04,792 and pretty much were head over heels for each other. 114 00:06:04,792 --> 00:06:06,500 They were making plans to get married 115 00:06:06,500 --> 00:06:08,833 and eventually move to San Francisco. 116 00:06:08,833 --> 00:06:10,458 - He had no answers 117 00:06:10,458 --> 00:06:12,458 as to why someone would want to do this to Kendra. 118 00:06:12,458 --> 00:06:14,542 I couldn't see that there was anything 119 00:06:14,542 --> 00:06:17,167 that he was trying to mislead me on. 120 00:06:17,167 --> 00:06:19,750 He was just more distraught, trying to wrap his brain 121 00:06:19,750 --> 00:06:23,542 around the fact that the person he cared about was now dead. 122 00:06:23,542 --> 00:06:25,625 So at that point, what I focused on, 123 00:06:25,625 --> 00:06:27,792 was just trying to figure out who it was 124 00:06:27,792 --> 00:06:29,875 that could have wanted the victim dead. 125 00:06:31,208 --> 00:06:33,542 [tense music] 126 00:06:36,292 --> 00:06:38,792 - Dallas Police Department posted the vehicle 127 00:06:38,792 --> 00:06:40,917 over the local news stations, 128 00:06:40,917 --> 00:06:44,708 and the actual owner of the vehicle contacted the police. 129 00:06:44,708 --> 00:06:47,667 - I received a phone call from Jose Ortiz. 130 00:06:47,667 --> 00:06:50,042 He believed that that was his Jeep on the news. 131 00:06:51,583 --> 00:06:54,750 Jose, he's a mechanic and that's what he does by trade. 132 00:06:54,750 --> 00:06:57,625 He said on September 2nd, the day of the murder, 133 00:06:57,625 --> 00:07:00,042 his childhood friend, Brenda Delgado, 134 00:07:00,042 --> 00:07:03,167 and one of her friends named Crystal, came to his shop 135 00:07:03,167 --> 00:07:05,500 and needed a replacement vehicle 136 00:07:05,500 --> 00:07:08,208 while he did some work for them on Brenda's car, 137 00:07:08,208 --> 00:07:10,042 so he loaned his Jeep out to Brenda. 138 00:07:11,333 --> 00:07:13,875 Jose provided a cell phone number for Brenda 139 00:07:13,875 --> 00:07:15,792 and I was able to call her on the spot 140 00:07:15,792 --> 00:07:17,875 and made arrangements with some of my coworkers 141 00:07:17,875 --> 00:07:19,917 to pick her up and bring her to the station. 142 00:07:24,500 --> 00:07:26,667 - There wasn't anything really remarkable 143 00:07:26,667 --> 00:07:27,833 about her background. 144 00:07:27,833 --> 00:07:29,375 She went to high school here. 145 00:07:29,375 --> 00:07:32,583 She enrolled in dental hygienist school. 146 00:07:32,583 --> 00:07:34,500 - She had never been arrested before. 147 00:07:34,500 --> 00:07:36,542 But as I was doing sort of background work, 148 00:07:36,542 --> 00:07:40,542 trying to pregame my conversation, Ricardo Paniagua, 149 00:07:40,542 --> 00:07:43,125 Kendra's boyfriend, he called me in a panic. 150 00:07:43,125 --> 00:07:46,375 He said that he saw the still photo on the news 151 00:07:46,375 --> 00:07:48,875 and the female driving the vehicle 152 00:07:48,875 --> 00:07:51,042 had a strong resemblance to his ex-girlfriend, 153 00:07:51,042 --> 00:07:52,083 Brenda Delgado. 154 00:07:55,042 --> 00:07:57,208 What he told me was that he was in a long, 155 00:07:57,208 --> 00:07:59,542 drawn out relationship with Brenda. 156 00:07:59,542 --> 00:08:00,958 They broke it off 157 00:08:00,958 --> 00:08:02,708 and several times rekindled the relationship, 158 00:08:02,708 --> 00:08:05,042 and then things just kind of fizzled out. 159 00:08:05,042 --> 00:08:07,583 - He told us he just considered her a friend. 160 00:08:07,583 --> 00:08:11,250 In fact, the day and night that this happened, 161 00:08:11,250 --> 00:08:13,042 one of the first people he called 162 00:08:13,042 --> 00:08:15,583 to describe this horrific event, or what happened, 163 00:08:15,583 --> 00:08:19,000 was Brenda Delgado. 164 00:08:19,000 --> 00:08:22,042 - And obviously her name came up twice at this point, 165 00:08:22,042 --> 00:08:23,375 so talking to Brenda 166 00:08:23,375 --> 00:08:25,000 was the most important thing in the case. 167 00:08:36,292 --> 00:08:37,875 - Yeah, they do keep it cold. 168 00:08:37,875 --> 00:08:39,083 You mind switching the chairs? 169 00:08:39,083 --> 00:08:41,208 - Oh, of course. Sorry. 170 00:08:41,208 --> 00:08:43,542 - Like I said, I appreciate you coming down and talking to me. 171 00:08:43,542 --> 00:08:44,833 - Yes sir, of course. 172 00:08:44,833 --> 00:08:46,208 Tell me what I can help with. 173 00:08:46,208 --> 00:08:47,875 - Okay, well, I'm working, 174 00:08:47,875 --> 00:08:49,708 of course I'm working a murder investigation. 175 00:08:49,708 --> 00:08:51,792 Your name came up in the investigation, 176 00:08:51,792 --> 00:08:53,458 so I wanted to sit down and talk with you. 177 00:08:53,458 --> 00:08:54,542 - Yeah, yeah. 178 00:08:54,542 --> 00:08:56,417 - Kind of figure out what's going on 179 00:08:56,417 --> 00:08:59,250 and get your version of the events. 180 00:08:59,250 --> 00:09:01,000 - How did my name come up at all? 181 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:02,708 - Okay, I'll explain all of that to you. 182 00:09:02,708 --> 00:09:04,250 - Yes, yes, I wanna know. 183 00:09:04,250 --> 00:09:08,000 - I decided to be very direct and upfront with Brenda 184 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,375 because I wanted her to know that the situation was serious 185 00:09:10,375 --> 00:09:14,167 and I need to get straight to the facts on this case. 186 00:09:14,167 --> 00:09:19,208 Kendra Hatcher was killed on Wednesday, September 2nd. 187 00:09:19,208 --> 00:09:23,542 She was dating, I think, a guy that you used to date. 188 00:09:24,708 --> 00:09:28,458 The way that your name came up in the investigation 189 00:09:28,458 --> 00:09:30,542 was linked to the vehicle, okay? 190 00:09:30,542 --> 00:09:35,333 - Mm-hmm. - The Jeep, black Jeep. 191 00:09:35,333 --> 00:09:36,792 Do you recognize this vehicle? 192 00:09:40,375 --> 00:09:41,667 - That vehicle, 193 00:09:43,542 --> 00:09:46,208 I think that's my friend, Jose's vehicle. 194 00:09:46,208 --> 00:09:47,333 - Okay. 195 00:09:47,333 --> 00:09:49,000 I talked to him earlier today. 196 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:50,750 One of the things that he told me 197 00:09:50,750 --> 00:09:54,792 was that you dropped your car off at his shop 198 00:09:54,792 --> 00:09:57,667 and that you borrowed a vehicle of his. 199 00:09:57,667 --> 00:09:59,083 - No, it wasn't me. 200 00:09:59,083 --> 00:10:00,958 - Well, I definitely talked to Jose of some things 201 00:10:00,958 --> 00:10:03,542 that he said are very different from what you're saying, 202 00:10:03,542 --> 00:10:05,708 and my problem is that I believe 203 00:10:05,708 --> 00:10:09,583 that that vehicle was used to commit this murder. 204 00:10:15,667 --> 00:10:18,042 [suspenseful music] 205 00:10:18,042 --> 00:10:21,083 - I didn't know what to do with myself. 206 00:10:21,083 --> 00:10:23,833 I didn't know if I was supposed to be angry or sad, or... 207 00:10:24,833 --> 00:10:28,083 It's disbelief, it's just that feeling 208 00:10:28,083 --> 00:10:31,000 of that your life just completely changed, 209 00:10:32,208 --> 00:10:34,583 is probably the hardest thing to process. 210 00:10:36,458 --> 00:10:38,750 [tense music] 211 00:10:46,625 --> 00:10:48,208 - I wanted to talk to you a little bit 212 00:10:48,208 --> 00:10:51,250 specifically about Wednesday, what you were doing Wednesday. 213 00:10:51,250 --> 00:10:54,708 - Wednesday, I was in Carrollton in school. 214 00:10:54,708 --> 00:10:55,917 - In school? - I'm finishing school. 215 00:10:55,917 --> 00:10:58,333 - Okay. - I got a ride to Carrollton. 216 00:10:58,333 --> 00:11:02,625 And I studied from maybe 12:00, all the way to about 6:00. 217 00:11:03,500 --> 00:11:05,250 - Who gave you a ride? 218 00:11:05,250 --> 00:11:07,250 - Um, who gave me a ride... 219 00:11:08,542 --> 00:11:10,292 My friend, Crystal. 220 00:11:10,292 --> 00:11:11,708 - Crystal, okay. 221 00:11:11,708 --> 00:11:14,667 - Then from Carrollton went to the Chili's 222 00:11:14,667 --> 00:11:16,375 off of George Bush. 223 00:11:16,375 --> 00:11:18,042 I have the receipt in my bag, 224 00:11:18,042 --> 00:11:20,250 I can tell you exactly, it's on my clothes now. 225 00:11:20,250 --> 00:11:22,583 - Okay, and you said you have the receipt in your bag? 226 00:11:22,583 --> 00:11:24,333 - Yeah, yeah, I can show you. 227 00:11:24,333 --> 00:11:25,667 - Let's get that. - Yep. 228 00:11:25,667 --> 00:11:27,000 - The murder took place 229 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,750 at the same time Brenda was at the restaurant. 230 00:11:29,750 --> 00:11:31,708 She immediately pulls out the receipt 231 00:11:31,708 --> 00:11:34,167 and it's at the top of her wallet, 232 00:11:34,167 --> 00:11:35,333 it's neatly folded. 233 00:11:36,542 --> 00:11:39,208 - We closed out at 8:57. - Okay. 234 00:11:41,708 --> 00:11:43,458 Do you mind if I hang onto to this? 235 00:11:43,458 --> 00:11:44,542 - Yeah, keep it. 236 00:11:44,542 --> 00:11:46,208 - It was just all too convenient 237 00:11:46,208 --> 00:11:48,458 and for an experienced detective like Barnes, 238 00:11:48,458 --> 00:11:49,875 that's what immediately caught his eye 239 00:11:49,875 --> 00:11:51,667 that something's not right here. 240 00:11:53,042 --> 00:11:54,333 - You recognize this guy? 241 00:11:55,542 --> 00:11:57,375 - Yes. - Who is that? 242 00:11:57,375 --> 00:11:58,708 - That's my friend, Jose. 243 00:11:58,708 --> 00:12:01,125 - So Jose said that you dropped your car off 244 00:12:01,125 --> 00:12:03,500 at his shop on Wednesday, specifically Wednesday. 245 00:12:03,500 --> 00:12:06,792 - It was Crystal, my friend, Crystal. 246 00:12:06,792 --> 00:12:08,708 - Okay, so did Crystal borrow a vehicle? 247 00:12:08,708 --> 00:12:10,083 - Yes, Crystal. 248 00:12:10,083 --> 00:12:13,083 Crystal borrowed a vehicle to take me to the library. 249 00:12:13,083 --> 00:12:15,625 - Okay, So where did-- Crystal borrowed one of his cars? 250 00:12:15,625 --> 00:12:17,333 - Yes, it was that car. 251 00:12:17,333 --> 00:12:19,208 - Crystal borrowed his Jeep? - That car, uh-huh. 252 00:12:19,208 --> 00:12:20,292 - Okay. 253 00:12:20,292 --> 00:12:24,333 - She got it maybe like around 10, 10:30. 254 00:12:24,333 --> 00:12:28,333 - You guys go to his shop on the way to Carollton 255 00:12:28,333 --> 00:12:32,250 and you guys borrow the Jeep and she kept the Jeep? 256 00:12:32,250 --> 00:12:34,750 - Yeah, and then she had to go do some errands with her son 257 00:12:34,750 --> 00:12:37,625 and do some other things and that's all I know. 258 00:12:37,625 --> 00:12:39,958 - Okay. What's Crystal's last name? 259 00:12:39,958 --> 00:12:42,333 - Cortes. - Okay. 260 00:12:42,333 --> 00:12:44,958 Because I got a very different story from Jose. 261 00:12:46,375 --> 00:12:50,375 He told me that he was working on a vehicle for you. 262 00:12:50,375 --> 00:12:52,375 - No, he didn't give me the car, 263 00:12:52,375 --> 00:12:54,125 he gave Crystal the car. 264 00:12:54,125 --> 00:12:56,917 I asked her, she said that she went to do errands 265 00:12:56,917 --> 00:12:59,833 and she went to find parking space and that's it. 266 00:12:59,833 --> 00:13:01,208 And she had her kid with her, that's all. 267 00:13:01,208 --> 00:13:03,958 - In a parking garage or? - Yeah. 268 00:13:03,958 --> 00:13:06,000 - Are you and Crystal related? - No. 269 00:13:06,000 --> 00:13:07,542 - Okay, 'cause I haven't seen Crystal, 270 00:13:07,542 --> 00:13:09,583 but I can tell you that that picture 271 00:13:09,583 --> 00:13:12,375 of the young lady driving that Jeep looks a lot like you. 272 00:13:12,375 --> 00:13:16,125 - No, she was driving, Crystal was driving that car. 273 00:13:16,125 --> 00:13:18,958 - Well, there's more to this situation than that. 274 00:13:18,958 --> 00:13:21,042 There really is, okay? 275 00:13:22,208 --> 00:13:25,375 What I'd like to do is give Crystal a call 276 00:13:25,375 --> 00:13:27,417 and see if she can come down here. 277 00:13:27,417 --> 00:13:28,583 Does she have a car? 278 00:13:28,583 --> 00:13:29,875 - No, it's still not working. 279 00:13:29,875 --> 00:13:31,333 - Okay, we'll give her a call real quick 280 00:13:31,333 --> 00:13:33,042 and I'll see if we can get her down here. 281 00:13:33,042 --> 00:13:34,708 Brenda said that her friend Crystal 282 00:13:34,708 --> 00:13:38,542 was inside the Jeep in the parking garage, 283 00:13:38,542 --> 00:13:40,583 so I felt that getting Crystal in 284 00:13:40,583 --> 00:13:42,042 at the same time I had Brenda there 285 00:13:42,042 --> 00:13:43,375 would give me an advantage 286 00:13:43,375 --> 00:13:45,583 of using them both against each other 287 00:13:45,583 --> 00:13:47,042 to get the tough answers 288 00:13:47,042 --> 00:13:49,375 that people don't normally like giving. 289 00:13:49,375 --> 00:13:50,958 We reached out to Crystal 290 00:13:50,958 --> 00:13:52,708 and then I had coworkers pick her up 291 00:13:52,708 --> 00:13:54,583 and give her a ride to the office. 292 00:13:54,583 --> 00:13:55,792 And I knew that I needed 293 00:13:55,792 --> 00:13:58,708 to keep the conversation with Brenda going 294 00:13:58,708 --> 00:13:59,875 while I was waiting for Crystal. 295 00:13:59,875 --> 00:14:01,792 I didn't want her to ask to leave 296 00:14:01,792 --> 00:14:03,333 or for her to shut the interview down. 297 00:14:03,333 --> 00:14:05,167 The key thing in all this is you, okay? 298 00:14:05,167 --> 00:14:07,125 And I'm gonna tell you why, the Jeep, 299 00:14:07,125 --> 00:14:10,792 the way Crystal gets the Jeep is through you, okay? 300 00:14:12,083 --> 00:14:17,000 The young lady that ends up dead, her boyfriend, 301 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:19,958 the relation is you, you to him, to her. 302 00:14:20,917 --> 00:14:23,375 Crystal ends up in this parking garage. 303 00:14:25,083 --> 00:14:27,958 Your friend, your friend's Jeep, 304 00:14:27,958 --> 00:14:29,458 your ex-boyfriend's girlfriend, 305 00:14:29,458 --> 00:14:31,667 all three of those things point back to you. 306 00:14:31,667 --> 00:14:34,958 That is you, you're the common theme in all of these things, 307 00:14:34,958 --> 00:14:37,708 so what I'm asking you is how has this happened? 308 00:14:37,708 --> 00:14:39,042 There's more to this situation 309 00:14:39,042 --> 00:14:40,875 than somebody looking for a parking spot. 310 00:14:40,875 --> 00:14:42,417 Somebody looking for a parking spot 311 00:14:42,417 --> 00:14:43,500 never got anybody killed. 312 00:14:44,667 --> 00:14:46,000 - Yeah, I understand. 313 00:14:46,000 --> 00:14:47,458 - She was very unbothered, 314 00:14:47,458 --> 00:14:50,375 even by being at a police station talking about a murder. 315 00:14:50,375 --> 00:14:52,500 And I just couldn't find that emotion, 316 00:14:52,500 --> 00:14:54,375 that instantly is a red flag. 317 00:14:54,375 --> 00:14:57,458 If you can find that point to bring emotion into it, 318 00:14:57,458 --> 00:14:59,542 you can normally kind of break a person down 319 00:14:59,542 --> 00:15:01,875 and get the truth from them at that moment. 320 00:15:01,875 --> 00:15:03,208 When did you find out that his girlfriend 321 00:15:03,208 --> 00:15:04,458 was the one that was killed? 322 00:15:04,458 --> 00:15:06,000 - Oh, yesterday. - That's been in the news. 323 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:07,375 - Yesterday morning. 324 00:15:07,375 --> 00:15:11,000 - And so did you say, "Well, maybe my friend, 325 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,167 who is in the news on this picture with this car, 326 00:15:14,167 --> 00:15:16,000 maybe she knows what happened. 327 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:17,667 Maybe she saw something. 328 00:15:17,667 --> 00:15:19,333 Maybe she should talk to police. 329 00:15:19,333 --> 00:15:22,083 Maybe she can help you find out who killed your girlfriend." 330 00:15:22,083 --> 00:15:24,167 Did you mention any of those things? 331 00:15:24,167 --> 00:15:27,458 - I didn't, I mean, I just didn't really think about it. 332 00:15:27,458 --> 00:15:29,167 I was just-- - You didn't think about it? 333 00:15:29,167 --> 00:15:31,208 You didn't call her to try to confirm, 334 00:15:31,208 --> 00:15:33,333 "Did you see anything, did you hear anything?" 335 00:15:33,333 --> 00:15:34,958 - She said no, I mean, I said did-- 336 00:15:34,958 --> 00:15:36,042 - So you did ask her? 337 00:15:36,042 --> 00:15:37,875 - Yeah, I asked Crystal, but she said no. 338 00:15:37,875 --> 00:15:39,167 - Well, here's the thing. 339 00:15:41,375 --> 00:15:45,417 I'm gonna find out what happened to this young lady. 340 00:15:45,417 --> 00:15:48,208 I owe that to her family, I owe that to her mom, 341 00:15:48,208 --> 00:15:50,000 just like I would do the same thing 342 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,042 if something happened to you, okay? 343 00:15:55,250 --> 00:15:57,625 I'm gonna step out for a minute and I'll be right back. 344 00:15:57,625 --> 00:15:59,458 - Okay. - All right. 345 00:15:59,458 --> 00:16:00,792 - She was backpedaling 346 00:16:00,792 --> 00:16:04,042 and pointing blame every other place except for herself. 347 00:16:04,042 --> 00:16:06,875 It was only gonna go as far as Brenda wanted it to go. 348 00:16:06,875 --> 00:16:09,208 And so at this point, I knew Crystal 349 00:16:09,208 --> 00:16:11,750 was who I needed to talk to. 350 00:16:11,750 --> 00:16:14,375 - Hello, how are you? - Good, Crystal, how are you? 351 00:16:14,375 --> 00:16:16,583 - Good, nice to meet you. - Nice to meet you too. 352 00:16:16,583 --> 00:16:17,708 Do me a favor and switch seats. 353 00:16:17,708 --> 00:16:19,958 - Oh, no problem. - Okay. 354 00:16:19,958 --> 00:16:21,792 Your name came up in this investigation. 355 00:16:21,792 --> 00:16:23,208 - Understandable. 356 00:16:23,208 --> 00:16:25,750 - It was my understanding that on Wednesday, 357 00:16:25,750 --> 00:16:28,750 this past Wednesday, that's when the murder happened, 358 00:16:28,750 --> 00:16:31,542 that you were with Brenda. - Mm-hmm. 359 00:16:31,542 --> 00:16:33,250 - And that you guys were hanging out. 360 00:16:33,250 --> 00:16:34,458 - Yep. 361 00:16:34,458 --> 00:16:36,625 - This is where we're at with this investigation. 362 00:16:36,625 --> 00:16:37,833 I know what happened. 363 00:16:37,833 --> 00:16:39,333 - Okay. - Okay? 364 00:16:39,333 --> 00:16:42,833 I'm fully aware of what happened and I know that you... 365 00:16:42,833 --> 00:16:44,708 I know where you were parked at 366 00:16:44,708 --> 00:16:46,583 when this incident happened. 367 00:16:53,500 --> 00:16:55,625 [dramatic music] 368 00:16:59,667 --> 00:17:01,750 [tense music] 369 00:17:03,208 --> 00:17:06,625 - Yes, I was in Downtown at that timeframe. 370 00:17:06,625 --> 00:17:08,083 I wasn't parked though. 371 00:17:08,083 --> 00:17:11,000 - Okay, that is on video. 372 00:17:13,625 --> 00:17:14,792 It is on video. 373 00:17:14,792 --> 00:17:16,875 - Okay, I wasn't parked though. 374 00:17:16,875 --> 00:17:19,333 - No, that's not gonna work. 375 00:17:19,333 --> 00:17:22,375 This vehicle was parked on the first floor, 376 00:17:22,375 --> 00:17:26,833 going down near the ramp, from going from P1 to P2. 377 00:17:26,833 --> 00:17:29,542 - Because I went to P2, but I just came in and out 378 00:17:29,542 --> 00:17:31,375 and honestly I had my son in there. 379 00:17:31,375 --> 00:17:34,042 I did, I don't have anything to hide, honestly. 380 00:17:34,042 --> 00:17:37,125 - No, that's not gonna work either. 381 00:17:37,125 --> 00:17:40,000 I know that what you're telling me is not true. 382 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:43,750 What I'm telling you is, is that it is captured on video. 383 00:17:43,750 --> 00:17:45,583 - Right. - Okay? 384 00:17:45,583 --> 00:17:47,333 Here, I feel like I'm, 385 00:17:47,333 --> 00:17:49,750 I don't like all this stuff in this room. 386 00:17:49,750 --> 00:17:52,542 I moved the table out of the way because I wanted to get more 387 00:17:52,542 --> 00:17:54,083 of a personal connection with her. 388 00:17:54,083 --> 00:17:56,542 I can see your leg twitching, 389 00:17:56,542 --> 00:17:59,375 or I can see when I ask certain questions, 390 00:17:59,375 --> 00:18:01,250 this is what her physical response is 391 00:18:01,250 --> 00:18:03,458 and I didn't want her to feel 392 00:18:03,458 --> 00:18:06,083 like she could kind of hide behind the table any longer. 393 00:18:06,083 --> 00:18:08,167 Okay, well, tell me what happened. 394 00:18:08,167 --> 00:18:11,042 - Okay, I am pulling in the parking lot. 395 00:18:11,042 --> 00:18:12,167 - Mm-hmm. 396 00:18:12,167 --> 00:18:13,542 - Before I pull in, 397 00:18:13,542 --> 00:18:15,625 there's a guy with a mask right in front of me. 398 00:18:15,625 --> 00:18:18,667 The guy gets in my seat and he puts the gun right here. 399 00:18:18,667 --> 00:18:20,042 My son's in the back. 400 00:18:20,042 --> 00:18:21,917 My son is asleep the whole time. - The whole time. 401 00:18:21,917 --> 00:18:24,375 - He's like, "Don't look at me, don't say anything to me, 402 00:18:24,375 --> 00:18:26,375 nothing will happen to you or your kid." 403 00:18:26,375 --> 00:18:28,542 So he tells me to go in, go park. 404 00:18:28,542 --> 00:18:32,875 So then he gets off and he mugs the girl, 405 00:18:32,875 --> 00:18:35,708 I don't know her name, I don't know anything about her. 406 00:18:35,708 --> 00:18:38,500 And he comes out and he gets in the backseat 407 00:18:38,500 --> 00:18:41,208 and he sits down and he's like, "Drive, just drive." 408 00:18:41,208 --> 00:18:43,500 He says, "I know exactly what your tattoos look like, 409 00:18:43,500 --> 00:18:45,708 I know if you say anything, I'm gonna come and get you." 410 00:18:45,708 --> 00:18:49,333 I booked it and I dropped them off and that was it, 411 00:18:49,333 --> 00:18:51,833 I called it a day, I don't want nothing to do with this. 412 00:18:51,833 --> 00:18:53,500 - What did he look like? 413 00:18:53,500 --> 00:18:58,125 - He has medium dreads, kind of tall build, 414 00:18:58,125 --> 00:18:59,708 skinny, slim. 415 00:18:59,708 --> 00:19:02,958 Honestly, I'm willing to take a polygraph. 416 00:19:02,958 --> 00:19:04,125 I'm willing to take a polygraph. 417 00:19:04,125 --> 00:19:05,292 - Well, there's no need for that 418 00:19:05,292 --> 00:19:07,417 because you're not telling me the truth. 419 00:19:07,417 --> 00:19:08,917 You're not telling me the truth. 420 00:19:08,917 --> 00:19:11,375 You want me to believe that some guy hops in your truck 421 00:19:11,375 --> 00:19:12,833 and you don't know what's going on. 422 00:19:12,833 --> 00:19:14,708 Do you know who that young lady is that got killed? 423 00:19:14,708 --> 00:19:15,708 - No, I don't. 424 00:19:15,875 --> 00:19:19,333 That's Brenda's ex-boyfriend's girlfriend. 425 00:19:20,750 --> 00:19:22,375 - Mm-hmm. - Okay? 426 00:19:22,375 --> 00:19:24,875 And I've been talking to her today before you got down here. 427 00:19:24,875 --> 00:19:26,375 You need to tell the truth. 428 00:19:26,375 --> 00:19:28,208 - I'm telling you the truth. - No, you're not. 429 00:19:28,208 --> 00:19:31,208 You were inside a vehicle that was used in a murder. 430 00:19:32,667 --> 00:19:36,125 Why didn't you call 911 once you found out this happened? 431 00:19:36,125 --> 00:19:40,250 - Because I didn't know it was on the news until yesterday 432 00:19:40,250 --> 00:19:41,375 that I found out. 433 00:19:41,375 --> 00:19:43,292 - I mean, you knew somebody got shot. 434 00:19:43,292 --> 00:19:45,042 - I was scared for my life. 435 00:19:45,042 --> 00:19:46,208 - I'm telling you right now, 436 00:19:46,208 --> 00:19:47,958 I don't believe this, bull(bleep). 437 00:19:47,958 --> 00:19:49,708 You're telling me that he pulled in... 438 00:19:49,708 --> 00:19:52,375 You pulled in into the garage into a cage 439 00:19:52,375 --> 00:19:54,500 and to sit here with a guy pointing a gun at you 440 00:19:54,500 --> 00:19:57,250 and your baby and you think I'm gonna believe that? 441 00:19:57,250 --> 00:19:58,583 Nobody will believe that, 442 00:19:58,583 --> 00:20:01,542 me or anybody else that hears this. 443 00:20:01,542 --> 00:20:03,542 Nobody is gonna believe that. 444 00:20:03,542 --> 00:20:04,625 - I understand. 445 00:20:04,625 --> 00:20:06,375 - Young lady, you don't understand. 446 00:20:07,625 --> 00:20:10,333 Whoever you are protecting is not more important 447 00:20:10,333 --> 00:20:12,875 than your son, that is not a decision I can make for you. 448 00:20:12,875 --> 00:20:14,375 - Right. 449 00:20:14,375 --> 00:20:16,250 - Then you need to tell me the truth. 450 00:20:18,708 --> 00:20:21,917 - Brenda just wanted me to take her purse, that's it. 451 00:20:21,917 --> 00:20:23,458 - She wanted you to take her purse? 452 00:20:23,458 --> 00:20:26,292 - She wanted me to do it, 500 just to take her purse. 453 00:20:26,292 --> 00:20:29,667 Since I don't have a job, I'm not employed right now, 454 00:20:29,667 --> 00:20:30,833 I don't have money. 455 00:20:30,833 --> 00:20:32,583 - And how does this conversation start? 456 00:20:32,583 --> 00:20:34,167 Has she told you about this girl before? 457 00:20:34,167 --> 00:20:35,542 - No. - Or about her Her boyfriend? 458 00:20:35,542 --> 00:20:39,208 - No. It was like, "ex," that's how she refers to him. 459 00:20:39,208 --> 00:20:41,000 "Ex has girlfriend." 460 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:42,625 And I was like, "Okay." 461 00:20:42,625 --> 00:20:46,125 And she's like, "I just want to know more about girlfriend, 462 00:20:46,125 --> 00:20:47,667 that's it." 463 00:20:47,667 --> 00:20:50,792 She's like, "I'll pay 500 to take her purse and that's it." 464 00:20:50,792 --> 00:20:52,000 I said okay. 465 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,708 And then I was like, well, I don't wanna do that, 466 00:20:53,708 --> 00:20:55,250 'cause I have a kid. 467 00:20:55,250 --> 00:20:57,667 She's like, "Well, we'll pay a guy to come in 468 00:20:57,667 --> 00:20:59,958 and take her purse and then we'll go from there." 469 00:20:59,958 --> 00:21:01,208 - Where do you find this guy at? 470 00:21:01,208 --> 00:21:03,167 - Just right there at the BMB pawn shop, 471 00:21:03,167 --> 00:21:04,500 there's a pawn shop right there. 472 00:21:04,500 --> 00:21:06,583 He's walking, I pull up, "Hey, you wanna make some--" 473 00:21:06,583 --> 00:21:08,083 - You pull up in the parking lot? 474 00:21:08,083 --> 00:21:10,333 - No, just driving by. 475 00:21:10,333 --> 00:21:11,833 "Do you wanna make some quick money?" 476 00:21:11,833 --> 00:21:12,917 He said, "Yeah," 477 00:21:14,083 --> 00:21:15,917 - Murders just don't happen like that. 478 00:21:15,917 --> 00:21:17,375 People don't pick up strangers 479 00:21:17,375 --> 00:21:20,000 and two strangers hop in the car 480 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,208 to go and steal someone's purse 481 00:21:22,208 --> 00:21:24,042 and someone ends up shot in the head. 482 00:21:24,042 --> 00:21:25,583 I just didn't buy that. 483 00:21:25,583 --> 00:21:27,708 There was more truth in that story 484 00:21:27,708 --> 00:21:29,583 than what she had previously told me, 485 00:21:29,583 --> 00:21:33,708 but I still wasn't where I needed to be with her. 486 00:21:33,708 --> 00:21:35,542 So you're sitting inside this Jeep, 487 00:21:35,542 --> 00:21:37,292 inside this parking garage. 488 00:21:37,292 --> 00:21:39,542 Why did you park where you parked at? 489 00:21:39,542 --> 00:21:41,875 - I wanted somebody to see me. 490 00:21:41,875 --> 00:21:44,000 I purposely parked there. 491 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:45,583 - Okay, so-- 492 00:21:45,583 --> 00:21:48,333 - Because I didn't know he had a gun, I really didn't know. 493 00:21:48,333 --> 00:21:50,875 - Show me right here. 494 00:21:50,875 --> 00:21:53,542 Draw me a nice picture of what this looks like 495 00:21:53,542 --> 00:21:55,792 from the inside of this place and where you parked at. 496 00:21:55,792 --> 00:21:58,292 - Okay, there's the main gate, right? 497 00:21:58,292 --> 00:22:01,042 There's two cars, I parked in between two cars. 498 00:22:01,042 --> 00:22:02,750 So he made me park there first, 499 00:22:02,750 --> 00:22:04,667 'cause he said there's no cameras. 500 00:22:04,667 --> 00:22:10,333 Then I told him it was this and it's a white Toyota. 501 00:22:10,333 --> 00:22:12,208 - You show up there a little after seven 502 00:22:12,208 --> 00:22:14,375 and you park, you sit there for a while, 503 00:22:15,292 --> 00:22:17,375 and this car drives in. 504 00:22:18,292 --> 00:22:19,833 What do you hear? 505 00:22:19,833 --> 00:22:23,292 - "No, no, no, no!" - Who's saying no? 506 00:22:23,292 --> 00:22:24,792 - I think it's the girl, Kendra. 507 00:22:24,792 --> 00:22:27,458 And I hear, "No, no, no, no, no!" 508 00:22:29,167 --> 00:22:30,375 That was it. 509 00:22:30,375 --> 00:22:34,875 I didn't see how, where, what, I didn't know. 510 00:22:34,875 --> 00:22:36,583 I really didn't know he had a gun, 511 00:22:36,583 --> 00:22:39,333 he was just supposed to go in, get her purse hopefully. 512 00:22:39,333 --> 00:22:40,917 - Okay. 513 00:22:40,917 --> 00:22:43,875 When you asked the guy why did he shoot her, what'd he say? 514 00:22:54,792 --> 00:22:57,167 - What did you do after you left the garage with this guy? 515 00:22:57,167 --> 00:22:58,417 - I drove down, 516 00:22:58,417 --> 00:23:00,625 dropped him off where he told me to drop him off. 517 00:23:00,625 --> 00:23:02,542 I go get Brenda and I go home. 518 00:23:02,542 --> 00:23:04,625 - Did you tell anybody about this? 519 00:23:04,625 --> 00:23:06,167 - Nobody knows nothing. 520 00:23:06,167 --> 00:23:08,458 [tense music] 521 00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,417 - At that point, she just owned up to everything 522 00:23:14,417 --> 00:23:16,042 that had happened and her part in it. 523 00:23:16,167 --> 00:23:19,708 They have her in the vehicle, you can clearly see her, 524 00:23:20,875 --> 00:23:23,708 and that's enough probable cause for an arrest. 525 00:23:23,708 --> 00:23:26,167 - The information Crystal was able to provide for me 526 00:23:26,167 --> 00:23:29,708 basically gave me the foundation for the investigation 527 00:23:29,708 --> 00:23:32,542 and that Brenda was the mastermind. 528 00:23:32,542 --> 00:23:34,375 Now I want to take this information 529 00:23:34,375 --> 00:23:36,000 and try to use it with Brenda 530 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:38,167 to see if she gives me who the shooter was 531 00:23:38,167 --> 00:23:39,917 and what the motive was. 532 00:23:39,917 --> 00:23:42,333 Just got done talking to Crystal. 533 00:23:42,333 --> 00:23:44,500 Had a very interesting conversation. 534 00:23:44,500 --> 00:23:47,375 And I know that you haven't been truthful with me. 535 00:23:47,375 --> 00:23:48,917 - Okay. - Okay? 536 00:23:50,042 --> 00:23:51,458 I understand what it's like 537 00:23:51,458 --> 00:23:54,375 to want something that you can't have. 538 00:23:55,750 --> 00:23:59,708 I also know what it feels like to want something so bad 539 00:23:59,708 --> 00:24:02,375 that you're willing to do anything for it. 540 00:24:02,375 --> 00:24:04,083 Sometimes people do that for money, 541 00:24:05,042 --> 00:24:07,375 sometimes people do that for attention, 542 00:24:07,375 --> 00:24:11,458 and sometimes people do that for love, okay? 543 00:24:11,458 --> 00:24:14,375 And so what I'm asking you for is for the truth. 544 00:24:14,375 --> 00:24:16,667 [tense music] 545 00:24:20,458 --> 00:24:22,667 [tense music] 546 00:24:23,708 --> 00:24:25,542 - I mean, that's the truth, I wasn't driving. 547 00:24:25,542 --> 00:24:28,542 - Do you really expect for me, 548 00:24:29,500 --> 00:24:31,875 or for anybody else to believe 549 00:24:31,875 --> 00:24:34,750 that this girl is dating this guy 550 00:24:34,750 --> 00:24:36,917 that you're still in love with, 551 00:24:36,917 --> 00:24:39,417 that's probably gonna marry this guy 552 00:24:39,417 --> 00:24:41,542 that you're still in love with, 553 00:24:41,542 --> 00:24:43,458 do you expect the world to believe 554 00:24:43,458 --> 00:24:46,250 that you had nothing to do with this? 555 00:24:46,250 --> 00:24:48,292 That you didn't have anything at all, 556 00:24:48,292 --> 00:24:49,917 even though you made an arrangement 557 00:24:49,917 --> 00:24:52,208 for this young lady to get in this vehicle? 558 00:24:53,208 --> 00:24:54,667 You set that up. 559 00:24:55,750 --> 00:24:57,708 Crystal, she's got a very good description 560 00:24:57,708 --> 00:24:59,417 of how she ended up in that car 561 00:24:59,417 --> 00:25:01,583 and how she ended up in that garage 562 00:25:01,583 --> 00:25:04,792 that belongs to this young lady 563 00:25:04,792 --> 00:25:06,375 that's dating your ex-boyfriend 564 00:25:06,375 --> 00:25:09,042 that you still talk to all the time, 565 00:25:09,042 --> 00:25:11,792 that you still converse with and share moments with. 566 00:25:11,792 --> 00:25:12,750 Yes. 567 00:25:13,708 --> 00:25:15,542 And it's not gonna take people a whole lot, 568 00:25:15,542 --> 00:25:17,125 this isn't rocket science. 569 00:25:18,042 --> 00:25:20,500 People will put this together very fast. 570 00:25:22,375 --> 00:25:24,042 That's why I'm asking you, why? 571 00:25:25,042 --> 00:25:27,208 - Honestly, I'm telling you, there is no plan, 572 00:25:27,208 --> 00:25:28,583 there's nothing. 573 00:25:28,583 --> 00:25:30,667 There's no motive, I have no reason. 574 00:25:30,667 --> 00:25:34,167 - Oh, there's plenty of motive, there's plenty of motive. 575 00:25:34,167 --> 00:25:36,792 You cannot have him as long as she's alive. 576 00:25:39,250 --> 00:25:40,542 Everybody has feelings 577 00:25:40,542 --> 00:25:42,833 and everybody has a point where they break, 578 00:25:42,833 --> 00:25:46,042 everybody has a wall, and that's what I think happened. 579 00:25:46,042 --> 00:25:47,708 - No, I mean, 580 00:25:47,708 --> 00:25:49,792 like I'm saying, it was just very casual. 581 00:25:50,917 --> 00:25:53,167 - Casual doesn't end up with somebody dead. 582 00:25:55,625 --> 00:25:56,958 - [Brenda] No, absolutely not. 583 00:25:56,958 --> 00:25:58,833 - So why do you want his girlfriend dead? 584 00:26:00,542 --> 00:26:03,042 - I don't, I don't even know who he was seeing, 585 00:26:03,042 --> 00:26:05,042 I don't even know who he was dating. 586 00:26:05,042 --> 00:26:06,375 - Okay. 587 00:26:06,375 --> 00:26:09,667 You don't know? You don't know? 588 00:26:13,125 --> 00:26:14,667 Give me a second. 589 00:26:16,542 --> 00:26:18,542 - Can I just get my attorney at this time, 590 00:26:18,542 --> 00:26:20,375 because I don't think we... 591 00:26:20,375 --> 00:26:21,667 I mean, there's not... 592 00:26:22,875 --> 00:26:25,458 I just need my attorney because you're not understanding me. 593 00:26:25,458 --> 00:26:27,458 - You can have your attorney. 594 00:26:27,458 --> 00:26:29,792 You can have your attorney, that's fine. 595 00:26:29,792 --> 00:26:31,750 So you're terminating this interview? 596 00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:34,083 - Yeah, I need my attorney, 'cause I'm done, 597 00:26:34,083 --> 00:26:37,417 I'm tired and I just need my attorney too. 598 00:26:37,417 --> 00:26:39,000 - Okay. 599 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,000 All right. 600 00:26:41,958 --> 00:26:45,083 We were unable to charge her with murder at the time. 601 00:26:45,083 --> 00:26:46,792 We didn't have enough solid evidence, 602 00:26:46,792 --> 00:26:49,917 but Brenda had a couple of unpaid traffic tickets 603 00:26:49,917 --> 00:26:51,792 that had turned into warrants, 604 00:26:51,792 --> 00:26:54,750 and we decided to arrest her for her unpaid traffic tickets. 605 00:26:56,542 --> 00:26:58,583 We decided that she needed to go to jail 606 00:26:58,583 --> 00:27:00,875 and that that was all we could do at the time. 607 00:27:04,292 --> 00:27:06,625 [tense music] 608 00:27:11,542 --> 00:27:14,292 - She immediately left the United States 609 00:27:14,292 --> 00:27:16,375 and headed to Mexico. 610 00:27:16,375 --> 00:27:19,042 Lets you know that you're on the right track, 611 00:27:19,042 --> 00:27:22,250 that this person is involved and in fact, in court, 612 00:27:22,250 --> 00:27:25,167 flight can be introduced as evidence of guilt. 613 00:27:26,500 --> 00:27:28,042 - Was one of those things that, 614 00:27:28,042 --> 00:27:30,208 where it just kind of sucks the air out of you 615 00:27:30,208 --> 00:27:31,458 for a second. 616 00:27:31,458 --> 00:27:33,917 Once you step foot outside of the state of Texas, 617 00:27:33,917 --> 00:27:35,792 my badge is no good anymore. 618 00:27:36,792 --> 00:27:39,792 So at this moment, the focus of the case 619 00:27:39,792 --> 00:27:42,417 was now identifying the shooter. 620 00:27:42,417 --> 00:27:44,625 Crystal is our best witness. 621 00:27:44,625 --> 00:27:47,458 If we are gonna get Brenda, if we are gonna get a shooter, 622 00:27:47,458 --> 00:27:49,417 we're gonna have to use Crystal. 623 00:27:51,792 --> 00:27:54,083 [tense music] 624 00:28:01,708 --> 00:28:03,292 - Crystal did a sketch. 625 00:28:03,292 --> 00:28:04,667 - What did he look like? 626 00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:09,875 - He has medium dreads, kind of tall build, 627 00:28:09,875 --> 00:28:11,208 skinny, slim. 628 00:28:11,208 --> 00:28:13,625 - Crystal had also described the shooter having 629 00:28:13,625 --> 00:28:15,458 a scar on his hand. 630 00:28:15,458 --> 00:28:17,167 You want all the individuals 631 00:28:17,167 --> 00:28:18,750 that are involved in the offense, 632 00:28:18,750 --> 00:28:20,292 but almost certainly, 633 00:28:20,292 --> 00:28:23,208 the person that had no qualms about getting out of a car 634 00:28:23,208 --> 00:28:25,792 and just shooting someone in the head, 635 00:28:25,792 --> 00:28:27,208 you're gonna want to get that person 636 00:28:27,208 --> 00:28:29,292 and get that person off the street. 637 00:28:29,292 --> 00:28:31,417 [tense music] 638 00:28:36,375 --> 00:28:39,792 - We basically took Crystal's phone records, 639 00:28:39,792 --> 00:28:41,167 Brenda's phone records, 640 00:28:41,167 --> 00:28:42,958 and we were able to come up with a number 641 00:28:42,958 --> 00:28:45,042 that was similar to both records 642 00:28:45,042 --> 00:28:46,958 that they'd spoken with numerous times. 643 00:28:46,958 --> 00:28:49,500 And we found that number was contacted 644 00:28:49,500 --> 00:28:52,042 on the day of the murder. 645 00:28:52,042 --> 00:28:54,125 - They identify who the phone number belongs to, 646 00:28:54,125 --> 00:28:56,750 find out his name is Kristopher Love. 647 00:28:56,750 --> 00:28:59,292 They're able to locate a actual photograph 648 00:28:59,292 --> 00:29:01,875 of Kristopher Love and that he resembles the sketch 649 00:29:01,875 --> 00:29:04,167 that Crystal had provided. 650 00:29:05,750 --> 00:29:07,417 - One thing that I was able to learn about him 651 00:29:07,417 --> 00:29:10,083 is that he'd been arrested numerous times in his life, 652 00:29:10,083 --> 00:29:12,625 going all the way back to his juvenile years. 653 00:29:12,625 --> 00:29:15,583 - He's got a criminal history for some violent offenses 654 00:29:15,583 --> 00:29:17,125 and he had also done some time 655 00:29:17,125 --> 00:29:19,375 for his involvement in those offenses. 656 00:29:20,375 --> 00:29:22,542 - I feel pretty good about the possibility 657 00:29:22,542 --> 00:29:23,875 that this is my shooter. 658 00:29:23,875 --> 00:29:26,125 So we did a ping order on the phone, 659 00:29:26,125 --> 00:29:28,167 which allowed for us every 15 minutes 660 00:29:28,167 --> 00:29:30,333 to track a physical location of this phone. 661 00:29:31,875 --> 00:29:34,167 [tense music] 662 00:29:41,250 --> 00:29:44,375 The FBI noticed that the coordinates of the phone 663 00:29:44,375 --> 00:29:47,875 started moving at the same time a blue Chrysler Sebring 664 00:29:47,875 --> 00:29:49,792 was driving out of the parking lot. 665 00:29:49,792 --> 00:29:52,208 FBI followed the blue Chrysler Sebring. 666 00:29:52,208 --> 00:29:54,583 And once an individual got out of the car, 667 00:29:54,583 --> 00:29:55,917 they made contact with him 668 00:29:55,917 --> 00:29:58,208 and the individual was named Kristopher Love. 669 00:29:59,208 --> 00:30:02,000 Outside of his physical appearance 670 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,458 and similarity to the sketch, 671 00:30:04,458 --> 00:30:06,917 he also was in possession of this cell phone 672 00:30:06,917 --> 00:30:09,000 that had been in contact with Brenda and Crystal 673 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,333 also on the day of the murder. 674 00:30:11,333 --> 00:30:13,250 [sirens blaring] 675 00:30:22,542 --> 00:30:25,792 The interview with Kristopher was very challenging. 676 00:30:25,792 --> 00:30:28,583 He was pretty much unknown to the case 677 00:30:28,583 --> 00:30:29,917 until a few minutes before 678 00:30:29,917 --> 00:30:32,208 I'm sitting down with him in a room. 679 00:30:32,208 --> 00:30:34,042 The surveillance video of the murder, 680 00:30:34,042 --> 00:30:36,208 I couldn't 100% say that it's him, 681 00:30:36,208 --> 00:30:38,333 'cause it's a grainy video, 682 00:30:38,333 --> 00:30:40,292 but I'm gonna work him as long as I need to 683 00:30:40,292 --> 00:30:42,708 to get him to tell me the truth. 684 00:30:42,708 --> 00:30:44,042 My name's Detective Barnes. 685 00:30:44,042 --> 00:30:46,542 I'm working a murder investigation. 686 00:30:46,542 --> 00:30:49,083 Your name came up during the investigation, okay? 687 00:30:49,083 --> 00:30:51,208 There was a dentist that was killed. 688 00:30:51,208 --> 00:30:53,125 Have you heard anything about that? 689 00:30:58,542 --> 00:31:01,125 [tense music] 690 00:31:01,125 --> 00:31:03,875 - And so I need to speak with you in regards to this murder. 691 00:31:03,875 --> 00:31:05,042 - All right. 692 00:31:07,375 --> 00:31:08,875 - Lemme see your hands real quick, man. 693 00:31:08,875 --> 00:31:10,542 I was looking at your hands earlier. 694 00:31:11,917 --> 00:31:13,417 You got a scar right here on this hand. 695 00:31:13,417 --> 00:31:15,667 What happened to your hand right here? 696 00:31:15,667 --> 00:31:16,917 - Somebody shot me. 697 00:31:16,917 --> 00:31:18,583 - You got shot? - Mm-hmm. 698 00:31:19,708 --> 00:31:21,958 They tried to rob me in Memphis, 699 00:31:21,958 --> 00:31:23,917 they tried to carjack me anyway, 700 00:31:23,917 --> 00:31:25,917 bullet hit my hand right there. 701 00:31:25,917 --> 00:31:28,125 - They noticed the scar on his hand 702 00:31:28,125 --> 00:31:30,750 that Crystal had described the shooter having 703 00:31:30,750 --> 00:31:32,667 and it's a match. 704 00:31:32,667 --> 00:31:36,542 That by itself is enough of what we call probable cause, 705 00:31:36,542 --> 00:31:38,583 but it wouldn't have been enough for a conviction. 706 00:31:38,583 --> 00:31:40,000 - Okay. 707 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:41,542 Here's the thing, man, 708 00:31:42,958 --> 00:31:46,125 me and my partner got called in on September 2nd 709 00:31:46,125 --> 00:31:48,917 to work a murder over in Uptown. 710 00:31:48,917 --> 00:31:50,875 You know where Uptown is in Dallas? 711 00:31:50,875 --> 00:31:52,042 - No. 712 00:31:52,042 --> 00:31:53,708 - Have you heard anything about that? 713 00:31:53,708 --> 00:31:56,500 There was a dentist that was killed. 714 00:31:56,500 --> 00:32:00,083 - A dentist? - A dentist, Kendra Hatcher, 715 00:32:00,083 --> 00:32:01,958 was killed in the parking garage. 716 00:32:04,875 --> 00:32:06,208 - Okay. 717 00:32:06,208 --> 00:32:08,167 Do you know a female by the name of Crystal? 718 00:32:11,083 --> 00:32:12,958 You don't know Crystal Cortes? 719 00:32:14,708 --> 00:32:16,500 What about a Brenda Delgado? 720 00:32:17,667 --> 00:32:18,625 - No. 721 00:32:19,750 --> 00:32:21,250 - Have you ever seen this girl? 722 00:32:23,125 --> 00:32:25,083 - I don't think so. - Okay. 723 00:32:25,083 --> 00:32:26,625 What about this one? 724 00:32:29,250 --> 00:32:30,708 - I don't know these people. 725 00:32:30,708 --> 00:32:32,042 - Lemme ask you this, 726 00:32:32,042 --> 00:32:34,458 have you ever rode in a black Jeep Cherokee? 727 00:32:34,458 --> 00:32:36,375 - I ain't rode in no Jeep Cherokee. 728 00:32:36,375 --> 00:32:39,333 - Okay. Your name came up in this investigation 729 00:32:40,958 --> 00:32:46,000 as being friends with these two girls, 730 00:32:47,167 --> 00:32:49,208 that you know these two girls. 731 00:32:49,208 --> 00:32:51,458 - From where? Here? 732 00:32:51,458 --> 00:32:53,208 - Well, I don't know how you met them, 733 00:32:53,208 --> 00:32:54,917 that's why I'm talking to you today, 734 00:32:54,917 --> 00:32:57,167 to figure out if you do know them, 735 00:32:57,167 --> 00:32:58,500 and if you do know them, 736 00:32:58,500 --> 00:33:00,708 maybe there's a reason why you know them. 737 00:33:00,708 --> 00:33:01,958 - No. 738 00:33:01,958 --> 00:33:04,500 - What I'm interested in is how your phone number 739 00:33:04,500 --> 00:33:06,792 would end up in these girls' phones. 740 00:33:12,500 --> 00:33:14,417 - Do you ever go to North Dallas? 741 00:33:16,792 --> 00:33:18,083 No reason your phone records 742 00:33:18,083 --> 00:33:19,708 would put you there either, is it? 743 00:33:27,208 --> 00:33:29,000 - Why you say that? 744 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:31,417 - Because of this, this is crazy right here. 745 00:33:31,417 --> 00:33:33,417 - What's crazy, what's crazy about it? 746 00:33:39,833 --> 00:33:41,208 - This young lady right here, 747 00:33:41,208 --> 00:33:43,667 who's able to very distinctly provide me details 748 00:33:43,667 --> 00:33:47,250 about how you look and where she has been with you. 749 00:33:47,250 --> 00:33:49,250 Now, for her not to know you, 750 00:33:49,250 --> 00:33:51,708 she pulling a lot of damn details outta nowhere. 751 00:33:52,875 --> 00:33:54,875 - I understand that. 752 00:33:54,875 --> 00:33:59,042 And whatever you say is cool, but I didn't do this bro. 753 00:34:36,417 --> 00:34:38,625 - I asked a yes or no question, sir. 754 00:34:38,625 --> 00:34:42,250 - I just said she don't know me, no, she don't know me. 755 00:34:48,583 --> 00:34:50,750 - Yeah, what you want to drink, man? 756 00:34:50,750 --> 00:34:54,208 - I want some coffee, but I'll take anything. 757 00:34:54,208 --> 00:34:58,667 - Why are these people talking like you are involved 758 00:34:58,667 --> 00:35:00,375 in this situation, man? 759 00:35:14,625 --> 00:35:16,417 - He's nonchalant, he doesn't know anything, 760 00:35:16,417 --> 00:35:17,750 and he didn't do it. 761 00:35:17,750 --> 00:35:18,667 This goes on for hours. 762 00:35:47,375 --> 00:35:49,375 - So, we're rolling into the next morning. 763 00:35:49,375 --> 00:35:51,542 At that point, we had been up all night 764 00:35:51,542 --> 00:35:54,125 and we'd taken a break from the interrogation 765 00:35:54,125 --> 00:35:56,250 to kind of refocus and reshift. 766 00:35:56,250 --> 00:35:58,708 One of my coworkers went out to the auto pound 767 00:35:58,708 --> 00:36:00,708 where Kristopher Love's car was at. 768 00:36:00,708 --> 00:36:05,417 And the K9 began doing a sniff search on the blue Chrysler. 769 00:36:05,417 --> 00:36:08,917 The canine alerted to gunpowder immediately 770 00:36:08,917 --> 00:36:11,542 and they found a Smith & Wesson .40 caliber handgun 771 00:36:11,542 --> 00:36:13,250 tucked behind the center console 772 00:36:13,250 --> 00:36:15,042 on the passenger side of the vehicle. 773 00:36:15,042 --> 00:36:17,042 The magazine laying next to the body 774 00:36:17,042 --> 00:36:21,125 belonged to a .40 caliber, a Smith & Wesson handgun. 775 00:36:21,125 --> 00:36:22,375 We did ballistic testing 776 00:36:22,375 --> 00:36:25,208 and we knew it was the firearm for the murder. 777 00:36:25,208 --> 00:36:27,333 It kind of gave me a second wind. 778 00:36:27,333 --> 00:36:29,167 Everything kind of opened up for me again. 779 00:36:29,167 --> 00:36:32,542 So I wanted to confront him with a picture of this firearm 780 00:36:32,542 --> 00:36:34,625 and give him an opportunity to explain it. 781 00:36:55,167 --> 00:36:57,375 [dramatic music] 782 00:37:01,333 --> 00:37:03,667 [tense music] 783 00:37:11,042 --> 00:37:13,958 - Detective Barnes confronted him with a murder weapon 784 00:37:13,958 --> 00:37:17,292 and then, that's when you start seeing him being more willing 785 00:37:17,292 --> 00:37:19,125 to share information. 786 00:37:19,125 --> 00:37:20,917 - How did you get linked up with Brenda? 787 00:37:23,333 --> 00:37:25,542 - So gimme a rundown of this day, man. 788 00:37:38,542 --> 00:37:40,542 - How did you know what time to be there? 789 00:37:53,125 --> 00:37:54,833 - Who else was in the car with y'all? 790 00:38:00,375 --> 00:38:02,083 - And it was just you and Crystal in there? 791 00:38:02,083 --> 00:38:03,292 - Yeah. 792 00:38:04,375 --> 00:38:05,625 - What kind of conversation 793 00:38:05,625 --> 00:38:07,708 did you have with Brenda about this? 794 00:38:17,375 --> 00:38:19,250 - And she told you she was from the cartel? 795 00:38:19,250 --> 00:38:20,542 - Yeah. 796 00:38:20,542 --> 00:38:23,417 - And Kristopher is told that Brenda Delgado 797 00:38:23,417 --> 00:38:28,875 is with the cartel and if he agrees to do this, 798 00:38:28,875 --> 00:38:31,875 she'll make sure that he has enough cocaine 799 00:38:31,875 --> 00:38:34,875 to sell for as long as he wants to sell cocaine. 800 00:38:34,875 --> 00:38:36,250 So in his mind, 801 00:38:36,250 --> 00:38:39,292 this is his way to go from being a small time drug dealer 802 00:38:39,292 --> 00:38:41,875 to big time drug dealer, so he agrees to do it. 803 00:38:51,542 --> 00:38:53,500 - Well, I mean, we gonna go get her. 804 00:38:53,500 --> 00:38:55,125 You can promise that, you can be promised. 805 00:39:10,500 --> 00:39:14,542 - Yeah, they ran some gang money. 806 00:39:14,542 --> 00:39:16,417 The girl that got killed 807 00:39:16,417 --> 00:39:20,125 was Brenda's ex-boyfriend's new girlfriend. 808 00:39:20,125 --> 00:39:22,375 - Brenda's? - Yeah. 809 00:39:22,375 --> 00:39:24,625 She ain't have nothing to do with any cartel, 810 00:39:24,625 --> 00:39:27,292 she was just a dentist that go to work every day, 811 00:39:27,292 --> 00:39:28,750 just a regular person. 812 00:39:43,500 --> 00:39:45,417 - Okay, well, I'm gonna go knock this paperwork out. 813 00:39:45,417 --> 00:39:46,542 - All right. 814 00:39:47,458 --> 00:39:49,542 [handcuffs clicking] 815 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:56,958 It was a very quick 816 00:39:56,958 --> 00:39:59,125 and shortlived round of high fives 817 00:39:59,125 --> 00:40:02,667 going around the office, but I think the immediate thing 818 00:40:02,667 --> 00:40:04,958 was what can we do now to get Brenda in custody? 819 00:40:07,833 --> 00:40:09,917 [tense music] 820 00:40:13,583 --> 00:40:15,750 - [Anchor] Brenda Delgado did not pull the trigger, 821 00:40:15,750 --> 00:40:18,500 but police say she planned and paid for others 822 00:40:18,500 --> 00:40:20,792 to carry out the heinous crime. 823 00:40:20,792 --> 00:40:23,375 Now, she's become the ninth woman in history 824 00:40:23,375 --> 00:40:25,750 to make the FBI's 10 most wanted lists 825 00:40:25,750 --> 00:40:28,250 since it began in 1950. 826 00:40:28,250 --> 00:40:30,125 - After placing her on this list, 827 00:40:30,125 --> 00:40:33,875 we started receiving phone calls relaying intelligence 828 00:40:33,875 --> 00:40:35,583 of where her whereabouts were at. 829 00:40:38,042 --> 00:40:40,125 [pensive music] 830 00:40:42,542 --> 00:40:44,167 - [Journalist] Did you kill that... 831 00:40:44,167 --> 00:40:45,750 Did you kill the dentist? 832 00:40:47,042 --> 00:40:49,583 - When I found out she was captured, 833 00:40:49,583 --> 00:40:51,208 there was a lady that was sitting next to me, 834 00:40:51,208 --> 00:40:52,833 complete random stranger. 835 00:40:52,833 --> 00:40:54,792 I explained everything and I was like, "Can I have a hug?" 836 00:40:54,792 --> 00:40:57,000 She's like, "Yeah," I gave a big hug. 837 00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,625 So yeah, overwhelming feelings of joy. 838 00:41:02,500 --> 00:41:04,750 [tense music] 839 00:41:19,625 --> 00:41:22,250 - You've introduced me to new feelings 840 00:41:22,250 --> 00:41:25,625 of absolute hatred and disgust, 841 00:41:25,625 --> 00:41:27,917 things I've never thought I could feel before. 842 00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:31,375 Your ability to destroy lives both emotionally 843 00:41:31,375 --> 00:41:35,292 and physically is despicable and incomprehensible. 844 00:41:35,292 --> 00:41:36,708 You are a shame of humanity 845 00:41:36,708 --> 00:41:39,250 and you are a destroyer of lives. 846 00:41:39,250 --> 00:41:40,792 May God have mercy on you. 847 00:41:47,042 --> 00:41:49,750 - We tried Brenda's case eight months later. 848 00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:51,625 The jury was only out 20 minutes 849 00:41:51,625 --> 00:41:53,333 before they came back with a guilty verdict. 850 00:41:53,333 --> 00:41:56,167 For capital murder, she received a life without parole. 851 00:41:57,458 --> 00:42:02,208 - Brenda Delgado, justice has been served 852 00:42:02,208 --> 00:42:07,875 for the people whose lives were touched in one way 853 00:42:07,875 --> 00:42:12,375 or another by this incredible, 854 00:42:12,375 --> 00:42:14,792 amazing woman, 855 00:42:15,875 --> 00:42:20,083 who I was honored to be Kendra Hatcher's mother. 856 00:42:26,750 --> 00:42:28,542 - There is no reason in the world 857 00:42:28,542 --> 00:42:30,792 that that young lady should be dead, none. 858 00:42:30,792 --> 00:42:32,625 She's completely innocent victim 859 00:42:32,625 --> 00:42:35,000 that makes it even more ridiculous 860 00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:36,792 for this to have taken place. 861 00:42:36,792 --> 00:42:38,625 - After Brenda was found guilty, 862 00:42:38,625 --> 00:42:40,458 me and my family were at the hotel 863 00:42:40,458 --> 00:42:42,792 and there's this big rainbow 864 00:42:42,792 --> 00:42:45,792 that's like, filling up the Dallas sky. 865 00:42:45,792 --> 00:42:49,125 I can feel that she's kinda my guardian angel. 866 00:42:50,250 --> 00:42:51,417 I want people to know that 867 00:42:52,375 --> 00:42:56,583 when they do come across somebody like Kendra, 868 00:42:57,750 --> 00:42:59,667 to really cherish it. 869 00:42:59,667 --> 00:43:01,708 If it is true that the good die young, 870 00:43:02,625 --> 00:43:05,708 then make every moment count.